Whatever happened to Free Speech…!!

What is wrong with this country.

well, for starters, you spelt cuntry wrong

I’m not keen on terminating the livelihood of people because of this type of stupid behaviour, so SB makes a good point.

I guess it’s #smokos free speech to piss off and leave the cuntry burning

It’s also then others free speech right to bag the shit out of him for it, especially given his free speech history on the matter

#WhereTheBloodyHellAreYou

Fire chiefs propose national plan as PM’s disappearance leaves ‘leadership vacuum’

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/12/17/scott-morrison-hawaii-bushfires-greg-mullins/

I kind of lost interest at “From the Oz”.

Could this be why?

Who would have thought that a person who predicted years ago that Sydney’s damns would run dry, would also be interested in environmental issues like FIRES BURNING DOWN HIS CUNTRY!

yes yomm, he did 😉

https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/emergency-leaders-in-the-media-nov-19/

If the former firemen have the “summit” at the end of summer, will anyone other than the Greens turn up?

Wow……………..what a long bow.

Nixon had staff in the field. I dont think anyone from the Prime Ministers Department is fighting bushfires or in command of those assisting.

But keep on Twittering as much as you like as you have no idea what people in the real world think. Ask Jeremy Corbyn LOL

Unless of course, you’re one of those people who think the BoM is part of some global leftist conspiracy…

Who in their right mind would watch temperatures instead of share markets

COMMIES, that’s who!

“I think Neil could be onto something.”

Yeah like nothing to see here……………..

https://jennifermarohasy.com/2014/08/heat-is-on-over-weather-bureau-homogenising-temperature-records/

yea, Bjorn Lomborg FASCISTS!

“The difficulty is he is neither a scientist or an economist, he’s a political scientist.

“Lomborg would be using the name of the university, to put what are largely political opinions, rather than evidence-based statements, using the university’s name.”

for a fuller dissection than from your link

https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/resources/the-low-down-on-lomborg/

(No thanks required)

ridiculed Tony Abbott in the past for actually getting photographed pretending to be fighting them

fixed 😉

“Federal parliament was suspended due to the emergency”

Bullshit ! It just started at 2pm instead

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-02-09/parliament-on-hold-as-rudd-tours-devastated/288908

Oh look more arsonists………….

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-02-09/rudd-angrily-denounces-mass-murder-arsonists/288018

Yep nothing about emissions but………………….

RECOMMENDATION 35
Victoria Police continue to pursue a coordinated statewide approach to arson prevention and regularly
review its approach to ensure that it contains the following elements:
■ high-level commitment from senior police
■ a research program aimed at refining arson prevention and detection strategies
■ centralised coordination that includes comprehensive training, periodic evaluation of arson prevention
strategies and programs, and promotion of best-practice prevention approaches
■ a requirement that all fire-prone police service areas have arson prevention plans and programs,
according to their level of risk.

Bullshit ! It just started at 2pm instead

What part of ‘suspended’ is confusing you?

The Simpson’s predictions are more accurate than Tim Flannery’s

Yet, he was still correct, and I recall there was much OUTRAGE from some contributors over his ‘alarmism’ (And yes, the Simpsons are true Soothsayers)

It’s interesting that the Royal Commission made 67 recommendations, and none were about our emissions.

That would reflect the terms of reference, which asked for a response to the fire, and a preparation for prevention of loss of life. It did ask for causes and circumstances of hte fires. This was provided

With populations at the rural–urban interface growing and the impact of climate change, the risks associated
with bushfire are likely to increase.
……..
The risks associated with bushfires are also potentially increasing as a result of population growth in the rural–urban
interface and the probable effects of climate change

Their activities have nothing to do with science.

Yea, no

Their ‘activities’ is what is called science, the same science that provides neanderthals the ability to expose their stoopid across the Internets, and complain about the likes of lomburg making up shit and then crying because Universities don’t want people who don’t apply the scientific method.

Just as a matter of interest, when someone says stuff like- Perth will be a ghost metropolis, is that-
*A lie
*Bad judgement
*Poor research
*An exaggeration
*Wishful thinking

I see, do Cape Town is now a ghost metropolis?

And what is the current water storage there?

(Personally, I’d prefer Perth to be a ghost metropolis, because the city might be tolerable without Western Australians)

I’d nominate Melbourne, but that would be too harsh on ghosts I fear

And what is the current water storage there?

How much longer is left in the 21st century?

Bloody kids, they’re just Trolling him now lol

Some (gasp) context for the slower ones 😉

“When I said Perth could become the first ghost metropolis, that was true, but the Government acted and got a desalination plant going,” he said. “The city could have run out of water if it wasn’t for the desal plant.”

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/flannery-sticks-by-ghost-city-ng-49cec9bf446f6e3be9e730e29fe52476

Dick of Melbourne … you want people to die to make it important?

Seems to be his marker. Of course, he ignores the fact that people have already died, and now, add two firies (you know, they ‘want to be there’) to the list.

but Legends will be Legends. And this is what ‘Legends’ will do while firies are being killed. Strike you as a tad more outrageous than having a fucking dinner!

You’re a train?

Sorry, you’re not my type 😉

“by far the thinnest basis for any House-passed presidential impeachment in American history.”

hmm, so colluding with another country to undermine your own is all good

allegedly

Oh so those firies would not have died if Scomo was in the country.

guess the same applies for not having dinner

Of course, if more services had been supplied (as was requested) in the form of equipment and extra manpower, who knows what would have happened differently.

Just as a matter of interest-
* Is a road accident that results in fatalities more serious than one that just causes vehicle damage?
* Is a workplace death seen as more serious than one that results in injury?
* Does the justice system see murder as more serious than attempted murder?
* Was the tsunami in 2005 that killed 250,000 people a greater tragedy than others that didn’t kill anyone?

(**Hint – I think the answer to each question in is “yes”, but clearly others would disagree)

According to Teh Fire Chieves there would no longer be any fires

link?

people of the left see 8 fatalities and 800 buildings as equivalent to 173 fatalities.

link?

TB obviously disagrees, so does Tom R it seems.

Not sure with what, not following your morbid death calculations too closely

I scummo is blaming his daughters for abandoning his post

Seems fair

TB obfuscates about the scale of tragedy. That’s “progressive” thinking

(TB obfuscates about the scale of tragedy. That’s “progressive” thinking

Indeed.)

Wrong again … just pointed out your limited understanding of the real world not the “regressive conservative” wonderland you seem to populate …

No, you obfuscate about tragedy.

If 2 people die, rather than 1, in any circumstances, there are twice as many individuals and families effected. it is a greater tragedy.

But you wanted to put padding and excuses around that. For whatever reason, I have no idea.

ToM

Exactly

On the day the forecast was for catastrophic conditions. The ABC had emergency broadcasts all day, as did a couple of commercial stations.

All planned this days in advance, once the conditions were known.

But…the Chief Commissioner had operational control a hair appointment, a meeting with her biographer , a parma & pot and vacated the emergency control centre quite early.

How this compares with a Prime Minister who does not ev

But some try to draw comparisons with Morrison, who does not even have reaponsiyfor a fire department, is beyond me.

(It’s all good, ToM; the Sunk-A-Few(-Too-Many)-Bevvies-Legend doesn’t have to make sense when he says that he doesn’t hold a hose or sit in a control room; in any event, taking the piss was/is the Wagga Wagga Kid’s job, and he’s just the Acting Prime Minister to get to the bottom of a pile of flamin’ (e)sc(h)atology.)

(You’re very welcome, ToM.

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Meanwhile, “the time for that discussion is over”, apparently: “People can expect my government to do what it promised to do, what it took to the last election,” Mr Morrison said.)

Interesting article about the uncompromising Twitterverse

https://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/2010-2020-living-in-the-age-of-outrage-20191220-p53lx4.html

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMXE-d0UEAAztyh?format=jpg&name=small

TB and the outraged brigade have a perception is reality fixation, and everyone should have the same perception.

Honestly TB, you routinely post comments that are deliberately provocative, insulting and ridiculing, then you complain about the response

Hilariously sensitive

Merry Christmas to you mainly bunch of Leftist Fucktards

And here’s Morrison grandstanding . What’s the point? Providing public servants with an extra 4 weeks to public servants to volunteer for emergency services.

1. Do they now have hi viz cardigans ? And steel capped velcro shoes?
2. Will these public servant firefighters stop every 90 minutes for a cup of tea and a tim tam?

Why oh why doesn’t Morrison do something practical about the bushfires, like closing a power station, and meeting some retired firemen?

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/public-servants-given-extra-leave-to-fight-bushfires-20191224-p53mqj.html

And Merry Christmas to (almost) everyone!

((NSFW)

More than likely, ToSY.

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Fabulous storm here in Brissy! Whoo! Hoo! Collecting water like its gold!

Bah humbug! Months of redistributing rivers of gold to my fine-feathered fair-weather friends, and all I get for Xmas is an all-day chorus of a-little-too-chirpy rainsong from atop the car-port guttering.

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And happy hohoholidays/festivus/hayzeusnailedm’as/etcetera, one and all.)

Does the ALP have a position on the payment to volunteer firefighters?

This is the statement of the ALP Emergency Services Minister- “This is against the spirit of volunteerism,” Ms Neville said.

The opposite of the comments of the federal spokesperson

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/nsw-volunteer-firefighters-to-be-paid-in-the-new-year-victoria-wary-20191229-p53neb.html

(The unprecedented bushfires devastating swathes of Australia have already….

Indeed; despite repeated assurances from Management, and/or their (im)media(te) representatives, that everything is under control, that all required resources were/are available, and that everyone, and, by implication, especially them, is doing a fantastic job under challenging conditions; I’d maybe consider (demanding) one of those Royal Commission thingies, conducted in (exhaustive) exploratory mode, and not an in-(Lower-)house diversion from/by those (ir)responsible, to ascertain how circa 5 million hectares, and more, became scorched earth; some of it quite valuable, whether intrinsically (natural heritage, (human/health) environment, upwards of half a billion vertebrate lives lost, etc) or publicly, such that billion(s) of dollars’ worth of state forests must now be expeditiously ‘privatised’; noting that ‘terms of reference’ can be ‘tricky’ things, even when it comes to the operative orders of fired-up commissioned entities; and, also, the ‘challenging conditions’ which they are/n’t necessarily addresssing as well. or better or best, they might, now and into the future.)

Thank you! And best wishes for 2020

Qantas named the safest airline in the world, for the 7th year running.

That will annoy some unions and many on the left!

https://www.traveller.com.au/qantas-tops-airline-safety-rankings-h1kscz

Have we reached that point yet where the fires are considered a crisis (according to the YoM Disaster Scale) or is that point still far off ?

Yes, I think a there is a greater tragedy occurs when there are human fatalities. But I’m sure others have a different opinion and will be capable explaining circumstances where a house burning is the greater tragedy.

What’s your view? My earlier comments related to bushfires that killed 173 people in a single day as compared to those that had caused 6 fatalities over 2 months.

Do you think there’s any difference in the scales of those tragedies?

Yes, I certainly see a difference in the scale of tragedies that result in 173 deaths on a single day, as opposed to a series over 2 months that result in 5 deaths.

I’m pleased to be capable of making that differentiation, and find it bizarrely callous that others can’t.

I note that Daniel Andrews commented today that he is grateful that the number of people missing, and feared dead, is now 6. There previously had been 28.

TB should let him know that 1 is too many and there’s no difference between 6 and 28.

The point is that the causation of any tragedy (as you call it) is the real tragedy …

That’s crap. The incident isn’t the tragedy, the tragedy is the human effect, the emotion and grief that families, colleagues and friends experience.

The grief is compounded by the scale.

You don’t get it.

Yes, it’s bizarrely callous isn’t it? …that TB doesn’t differentiate between the impact of a single fatality and multiple.

I recall that the discussion commenced when some dull lefty types tried to compare Morrison taking a planned vacation with the Victorian Police Commissioner abandoning vacating her post in the Emergency Control Centre 3 times on the day that 173 people died in fires.

Morrison made a decision that was insensitive and politically inept, Nixon vacated her assigned emergency services post on a day that 173 people died.

Left types don’t seem capable of making that differentiation.

Heavens TB, what a whinge!

You callously choose not to accept that there is a difference in the scale of tragedy between 6 (over 2 months) and 17 fatalities (on a single day), and then launch that complaint!

Hi trashtalkers, are we at ‘tragedy’ scale yet?

Merry New Festivus to one and youse alls

The government gets absolutely (rightly) slammed, while Labor shows they were prepared, just not for the Juggernaut of murdoch+facebook

LABOR’S NATIONAL FIRE FIGHTING FLEET – SUNDAY, 17 MARCH 2019

A single death is a tragedy. Multiple deaths are a greater tragedy.

Let me know if you don’t get that.
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Now we can get ready for the further politicisation of the issue, with sensible types acknowledging that more effort needs to be put into fuel reduction and controlled burns, and Greens opposing that and arguing that we need to take the moral high ground on emissions.

I wonder whether the moral high ground would have prevented these fires.

A single death is a tragedy. Multiple deaths is a greater tragedy.

Are you able to identify any difference between 173 deaths in fires on a single day, and 6 over 2 months?

Did you notice the level of community grief over the 173 fatalities?

That’s what I don’t get

The lack of recall about the grief of the Black Saturday fires. The arguing that there is no difference in the scale of tragedy.

Does the same apply to (say) the road toll?

tosy wants to know what we obviously cannot provide

Because some numbnuts destroyed it (but now claim they want it???)

Any chance of asking in something other than gibberish?

One thing is clear, that even reducing Australia’s emissions by 50% would not make any difference to the bushfires.

Does anyone seriously think that if global emissions were 99.3% of their current levels, the climate would be different?

And I don’t think I’ve used the term disaster, because I’ve said that the greater the number of fatalities, the greater the tragedy.

But for their own reasons some disagree.

I’m also of the view that there is no domestic carbon reduction policy that would have made any difference to these bushfires.

(And by the way, when was the last time China adopted a policy as a result of international sentiment, and the actions of other countries?)

Please feel free to discuss.

(Additive and cumulative: every (little) bit counts, every (little) bit ‘helps’.

‘Australia’ was(n’t) / is(n’t) / will (not) be doing its ‘bit(s)’?)

Odd old fart view

“more people died before, so this is meh”

some info for the counters

“Because it seems to me that if one individual dies that’s the greatest possible tragedy that could befall that particular individual.”

Nah……………………….the dead are dead and they don’t care so the end of their life is meaningless to them because they now don’t realise they were ever alive anyway.

The dead don’t care

The tragedy is the effect on the ones who loved them