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Whatever happened to Free Speech…!!

December 17, 2019
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Robert Vigors and Karen Ridge neighborly visit

Free speech is under threat in this country and it’s an absolute disgrace!

For far too long, we have allowed mealy-mouthed lefties with their PC hearts on their tiny hessian sleeves to dictate what goes on in this country that we have spent decades trying to build and protect.

Hard fought rights that today shape our very existence are being ebbed away by those would profess to know better but in fact threaten the very freedoms we take for granted today.

Heck, it’s getting to the stage where you can’t even drop by to visit the neighbours to question the authenticity of their ethnicity and tear down their national flag without fear of vilification or worse; losing your livelihood.

Patriots and proud (but not-so-silent) Quiet Australians Robert Vigors and Karen Ridge are now financially worse off and have had their reputations tarnished simply for asserting their inalienable right to be bigots (hat tip to Tom R).

What is wrong with this country.

Coda: Get your “Too Strong for you Karen” merchandise here.

Plus: Take the test – What Percentage Aboriginal are you?

 

267 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom R permalink
    December 17, 2019 2:17 pm

    What is wrong with this country.

    well, for starters, you spelt cuntry wrong

  2. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 17, 2019 4:23 pm

    If we had decent gun laws we wouldn’t need to wait for woke employers to carry out the hit. We could just shoot offensive cunts on the spot.

  3. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 17, 2019 6:24 pm

    I’m not keen on terminating the livelihood of people because of this type of stupid behaviour, so SB makes a good point.

  4. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2019 8:27 am

    I’m not keen on terminating the livelihood of people because of this type of stupid behaviour

    Yet you can be sacked for wearing a sticker on your helmet (a helmet that is only there because of the sticker)

    What a fucked up world

  5. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2019 9:00 am

    I guess it’s #smokos free speech to piss off and leave the cuntry burning

    It’s also then others free speech right to bag the shit out of him for it, especially given his free speech history on the matter

    #WhereTheBloodyHellAreYou

    Fire chiefs propose national plan as PM’s disappearance leaves ‘leadership vacuum’

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/12/17/scott-morrison-hawaii-bushfires-greg-mullins/

  6. Walrus permalink
    December 18, 2019 9:01 am

    Now all credibility blown assunder

    From the Oz………………….

    “Climate activist Tim Flannery is the force behind a band of former state fire and emergency chiefs accusing Scott Morrison of abandoning­ bushfires across the nation and demanding an immediat­e end to the burning of fossil fuels.

    The Australian has confirmed Emergency Leaders for Clima­te Action — 29 ex-fire chiefs led by former NSW Fire and Rescue commissioner Greg Mullins — is funded by Professor Flannery’s crowd-funded Climate Council as an official “project”.

    No wonder the PM sees them as a waste of time

  7. December 18, 2019 9:01 am

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  8. December 18, 2019 9:02 am

    I kind of lost interest at “From the Oz”.

  9. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2019 9:08 am

    I kind of lost interest at “From the Oz”.

    Could this be why?

    Who would have thought that a person who predicted years ago that Sydney’s damns would run dry, would also be interested in environmental issues like FIRES BURNING DOWN HIS CUNTRY!

  10. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2019 9:44 am

    Has Tim predicted an important role for the former fireman’s club? Because that would ensure it’s irrelevance

  11. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2019 9:49 am

    yes yomm, he did 😉

    https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/emergency-leaders-in-the-media-nov-19/

  12. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2019 10:07 am

    David Jeffery of East Geelong for PM!

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2019 10:14 am

    If the former firemen have the “summit” at the end of summer, will anyone other than the Greens turn up?

  14. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2019 10:19 am

    Ask our new PM, David Jeffery of East Geelong

  15. December 18, 2019 11:41 am

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  16. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2019 1:06 pm

    The “Age of Entitlement” is back on the menu I see

  17. December 18, 2019 1:16 pm

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  18. December 18, 2019 1:21 pm

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  19. Walrus permalink
    December 18, 2019 1:23 pm

    Wow……………..what a long bow.

    Nixon had staff in the field. I dont think anyone from the Prime Ministers Department is fighting bushfires or in command of those assisting.

    But keep on Twittering as much as you like as you have no idea what people in the real world think. Ask Jeremy Corbyn LOL

  20. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2019 1:30 pm

    I dont think anyone from the Prime Ministers Department is fighting bushfires or in command of those assisting.

    Houston, we have a problem

  21. December 18, 2019 1:51 pm

    File under ‘unprecedented’….

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  22. December 18, 2019 1:53 pm

    Unless of course, you’re one of those people who think the BoM is part of some global leftist conspiracy…

  23. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2019 2:12 pm

    Unless of course, you’re one of those people who think the BoM is part of some global leftist conspiracy…

    Who in their right mind would watch temperatures instead of share markets

    COMMIES, that’s who!

  24. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 18, 2019 2:18 pm

    Why does the BOM say “”””Preliminary results suggest??”””

    Why can’t they wait until they get the actual results? Sounds like they have a view to push.

    Could it be they are part of some global leftist conspiracy??

  25. December 18, 2019 2:25 pm

    I think Neil could be onto something.

  26. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2019 2:30 pm

    on something perhaps

  27. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 18, 2019 3:10 pm

    “Unless of course, you’re one of those people who think the BoM is part of some global leftist conspiracy…

    Of course it is. In climate science wavering even slightly from the party line means the destruction of your career by malignant fascists.

    Just ask Peter Ridd or Bjorn Lomborg.

  28. December 18, 2019 3:22 pm

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  29. Walrus permalink
    December 18, 2019 3:25 pm

    “I think Neil could be onto something.”

    Yeah like nothing to see here……………..

    https://jennifermarohasy.com/2014/08/heat-is-on-over-weather-bureau-homogenising-temperature-records/

  30. December 18, 2019 3:30 pm

    “I’m not keen on terminating the livelihood of people because of this type of stupid behaviour, so SB makes a good point.”

    At least they didn’t lose their kids. Or their land.

    It’ll be interesting to see if ‘Rob and Karen’ are ever charged, let alone brutalised or shot and killed during the arrest.

  31. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2019 3:37 pm

    yea, Bjorn Lomborg FASCISTS!

    “The difficulty is he is neither a scientist or an economist, he’s a political scientist.

    “Once you become attached to a university, you’re given a kind of credence by that university; people would expect an adjunct professor at UWA to be working in a professional manner and that their statements would be evidence-based.

    “Lomborg would be using the name of the university, to put what are largely political opinions, rather than evidence-based statements, using the university’s name.”

    for a fuller dissection than from your link

    https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/resources/the-low-down-on-lomborg/

    (No thanks required)

  32. Walrus permalink
    December 18, 2019 3:50 pm

    Funny how the hypocrites bang on about Scomo not doing enought to fight the fires yet they also ridiculed Tony Abbott in the past for actually fighting them.

    Twits !

  33. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2019 3:56 pm

    ridiculed Tony Abbott in the past for actually getting photographed pretending to be fighting them

    fixed 😉

  34. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2019 4:04 pm

    Let’s see whether a future Royal Commission will make an adverse finding against Morrison for taking a vacation when no one has died in a bushfire for a month.

    It’s slightly different when you’re supposed to be in the integrated emergency control centre on a day when 180 people are burnt to death.

    A slight difference with Ms Nixon despite the efforts of the twitterati

  35. December 18, 2019 4:04 pm

    Yeah like nothing to see here……………..

    For once I agree. 😆

    Jennifer Marohasy spent many years working at the Institute of Public Affairs – a Melbourne-based free market think tank that has been promoting climate science denialism for more than two decades.

    After leaving there, she became the chair of the Australian Environment Foundation, a spin-off from the IPA.

    Marohasy has said that Bryant Macfie, a Perth-based climate science sceptic, funds her research at Central Queensland University.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2014/aug/27/climate-sceptics-see-a-conspiracy-in-australias-record-breaking-heat

  36. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2019 4:09 pm

    Let’s see whether a future Royal Commission will make an adverse finding

    Compare the pair

    Federal parliament was suspended due to the emergency.[1] The Premier of Victoria, John Brumby, accepted an offer from the Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, to dispatch members of the Australian Defence Force to provide assistance in that state. Rudd described the bushfires as an “appalling tragedy for Victoria,” saying “Hell and all its fury has visited the good people of Victoria in the last 24 hours.”[2]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_Black_Saturday_bushfire_crisis#Government

  37. Walrus permalink
    December 18, 2019 4:28 pm

    “Federal parliament was suspended due to the emergency”

    Bullshit ! It just started at 2pm instead

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-02-09/parliament-on-hold-as-rudd-tours-devastated/288908

    Oh look more arsonists………….

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-02-09/rudd-angrily-denounces-mass-murder-arsonists/288018

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2019 4:35 pm

    It’s interesting that the Royal Commission made 67 recommendations, and none were about our emissions.

  39. Walrus permalink
    December 18, 2019 4:48 pm

    Yep nothing about emissions but………………….

    RECOMMENDATION 35
    Victoria Police continue to pursue a coordinated statewide approach to arson prevention and regularly
    review its approach to ensure that it contains the following elements:
    ■ high-level commitment from senior police
    ■ a research program aimed at refining arson prevention and detection strategies
    ■ centralised coordination that includes comprehensive training, periodic evaluation of arson prevention
    strategies and programs, and promotion of best-practice prevention approaches
    ■ a requirement that all fire-prone police service areas have arson prevention plans and programs,
    according to their level of risk.

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2019 7:40 pm

    The Simpson’s predictions are more accurate than Tim Flannery’s !!

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/flashback/the-simpsons-heres-every-time-the-show-predicted-the-future/news-story/b9b26740621cccab9daff331111a808f

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2019 9:23 pm

    It’s interesting to see the type of support Trump gets from the media!!

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-12-17/trumps-best-defense-yet-is-just-a-collection-of-stitched-together-tweets

  42. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2019 8:24 am

    Bullshit ! It just started at 2pm instead

    What part of ‘suspended’ is confusing you?

    The Simpson’s predictions are more accurate than Tim Flannery’s

    Yet, he was still correct, and I recall there was much OUTRAGE from some contributors over his ‘alarmism’ (And yes, the Simpsons are true Soothsayers)

    It’s interesting that the Royal Commission made 67 recommendations, and none were about our emissions.

    That would reflect the terms of reference, which asked for a response to the fire, and a preparation for prevention of loss of life. It did ask for causes and circumstances of hte fires. This was provided

    With populations at the rural–urban interface growing and the impact of climate change, the risks associated
    with bushfire are likely to increase.
    ……..
    The risks associated with bushfires are also potentially increasing as a result of population growth in the rural–urban
    interface and the probable effects of climate change

  43. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2019 9:01 am

    jebus, even pvo gets it, and he still thinks nazis are commies

  44. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 19, 2019 11:17 am

    “(No thanks required)”

    But I do thank you, TomR! Once again you have demonstrated my point. And quoting Flannery’s organisation is rich indeed! Lomborg was driven out for thoughtcrime.

    Anyone with (even slightly) differing views is to be hounded and harassed to the ends of the earth and driven from every academic posting by climate alarmist drama queens like Flannery. You seem to be a proud member of his batshit crazy flying monkey army.

    Funny how you pounce on Lomborg but defended Dr Fraudpants who lied about receiving a Nobel Prize.

  45. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2019 11:22 am

    misrepresenting the science is not a ‘differing view’

    In some places, it’s called Lying 😉

  46. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 19, 2019 1:00 pm

    TomR, lying is what Dr Fraudpants and his “Hockey Team” do. These fuckwit dumbocrats have avoided debate assuring us since the 90s that the science has been settled and that anyone who begs to differ is to be de-platformed and cast out. They maintain there hegemony by intellectual thuggery. Their activities have nothing to do with science.

  47. December 19, 2019 1:04 pm

    Rob And Karen From THAT Viral Video Are Not Unique, They Just Got Caught…

    https://10daily.com.au/news/australia/a191217vebho/rob-and-karen-from-that-viral-video-are-not-unique-they-just-got-caught-20191218

  48. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2019 1:15 pm

    Their activities have nothing to do with science.

    Yea, no

    Their ‘activities’ is what is called science, the same science that provides neanderthals the ability to expose their stoopid across the Internets, and complain about the likes of lomburg making up shit and then crying because Universities don’t want people who don’t apply the scientific method.

  49. December 19, 2019 2:30 pm

    😆

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 19, 2019 2:33 pm

    Just as a matter of interest, when someone says stuff like- Perth will be a ghost metropolis, is that-
    *A lie
    *Bad judgement
    *Poor research
    *An exaggeration
    *Wishful thinking

  51. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2019 2:45 pm

    is that-

    Prescient

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-21/how-perth-dodged-its-own-water-crisis-like-day-zero-in-cape-town/9891472

    Hows Whyalla going?

    Better than trumpTheImpeached is 😉

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 19, 2019 3:07 pm

    I see, do Cape Town is now a ghost metropolis?

    And what is the current water storage there?

    (Personally, I’d prefer Perth to be a ghost metropolis, because the city might be tolerable without Western Australians)

  53. December 19, 2019 3:12 pm

    “I’d prefer Perth to be a ghost metropolis”

    I’d nominate Brisbane first.

  54. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2019 3:21 pm

    I’d nominate Melbourne, but that would be too harsh on ghosts I fear

    And what is the current water storage there?

    How much longer is left in the 21st century?

  55. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 19, 2019 3:34 pm

    Yes of all Flannery’s predictions, that’s the one I wish he’d for right!

    So… I see Cape Town water storage is currently over 80%, so when will it become a ghost metropolis?

    …but is outrageous exaggeration ok when people are talking about climate change?

  56. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2019 3:36 pm

    Bloody kids, they’re just Trolling him now lol

  57. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2019 3:47 pm

    …but is outrageous exaggeration ok when people are talking about climate change?

    Is misrepresenting peoples comments ok when you are in de Nile?

  58. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2019 3:49 pm

    Some (gasp) context for the slower ones 😉

    “When I said Perth could become the first ghost metropolis, that was true, but the Government acted and got a desalination plant going,” he said. “The city could have run out of water if it wasn’t for the desal plant.”

    https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/flannery-sticks-by-ghost-city-ng-49cec9bf446f6e3be9e730e29fe52476

  59. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 19, 2019 4:23 pm

    “””Hows Whyalla going?””””

    https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/carbon-tax-will-destroy-major-centres-such-as-port-pirie-and-whyalla/news-story/57bb2d776488bbc90216fcc81986f8ca

    THE state’s two key industrial cities will be “wiped off the map” by a carbon tax, a major union warns.
    The tax would strip thousands of jobs from Whyalla and Port Pirie, the Australian Workers Union state secretary Wayne Hanson said.
    The internal revolt from Labor’s industrial heartland threatens not just the reform but the Government’s survival.
    Mr Hanson yesterday stepped up his union’s opposition to the tax, claiming the future of both cities would be in serious doubt because both had economies based on the high-emission production of steel, iron ore and zinc.
    “Goodbye. They will be off the map,” he said

  60. December 19, 2019 4:31 pm

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  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 19, 2019 4:48 pm

    Flannery makes outrageous claims and later provides “co text”

    If only everyone was able to qualify their mistakes with “context” and that was an acceptable excuse!

  62. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2019 7:54 pm

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 19, 2019 8:10 pm

    Heavens! He’s gone on vacation at a time that fewer people have died in bushfires than die on the road on any given weekend.

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2019 9:13 pm

    I’d nominate Brisbane first.

    BrisVegas is alive and burnin’ bro!

    Can actually see the lights of Brissy (that’s wot the locals call our city) but the smoke lingers … from south … north and east (the islands) … oddly tho’, very occasionally a “smokey smell” … usually smoke over the city means you can smell the burning!

    I vote we nickname The Happy Clappy PM – Nero … does anyone know where the bloody hell he is … talk about – transparency … this is really opaque … Hawaii or Whitsundays? My guess Hawaii – no fires … yet!

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2019 9:14 pm

    I’d nominate Brisbane first.

    Oh! And Bitch!

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2019 9:17 pm

    Heavens! He’s gone on vacation at a time that fewer people have died in bushfires than die on the road on any given weekend.

    Dick of Melbourne … you want people to die to make it important?

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/19/australia-bushfires-20-structures-destroyed-as-nsw-firefighters-hospitalised-with-severe-burns

    What is news.com.au headlining?

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/very-unpredictable-fire-conditions-forecast-for-nsw-amid-soaring-temperatures-volatile-winds/live-coverage/76f62241194e47b012e83caf81c535a8

  67. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2019 8:19 am

    Flannery makes outrageous claims and later provides “co text”

    Ah, I see, so, when Flannery gets quoted out of context, that’s now HIS fault?

    Gotcha 😉

  68. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2019 8:23 am

    Dick of Melbourne … you want people to die to make it important?

    Seems to be his marker. Of course, he ignores the fact that people have already died, and now, add two firies (you know, they ‘want to be there’) to the list.

    but Legends will be Legends. And this is what ‘Legends’ will do while firies are being killed. Strike you as a tad more outrageous than having a fucking dinner!

  69. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2019 9:19 am

    Aged like fine wine

  70. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 20, 2019 9:47 am

    Feel Good Story Of The Week

  71. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2019 9:58 am

    Headline NEWS

    train blows horn

  72. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 20, 2019 10:02 am

    You’re a train?

  73. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 20, 2019 10:05 am

    Cocaine Mitch:

    ““It’s beyond me how the Speaker and Democratic leader in the Senate think withholding the articles of impeachment and not sending them over gives them leverage,” McConnell told reporters after criticizing the House impeachment effort in a lengthy floor speech.

    “Frankly, I’m not anxious to have the trial. If she thinks her case is so weak she doesn’t want to send it over, throw me into that briar patch,” McConnell added.

    McConnell panned the House Democratic investigation of President Trump as “by far the thinnest basis for any House-passed presidential impeachment in American history.”

    He also mocked House Democrats as being afraid to submit their two articles of impeachment to the Senate.

    “The prosecutors are getting cold feet in front of the entire country and second-guessing whether they even want to go to trial,” he said. “They said impeachment was so urgent that it could not even wait for due process but now they’re content to sit on their hands. It is comical.”

  74. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2019 10:08 am

    You’re a train?

    Sorry, you’re not my type 😉

    “by far the thinnest basis for any House-passed presidential impeachment in American history.”

    hmm, so colluding with another country to undermine your own is all good

    allegedly

  75. Walrus permalink
    December 20, 2019 10:15 am

    “And this is what ‘Legends’ will do while firies are being killed. Strike you as a tad more outrageous than having a fucking dinner!””

    Oh so those firies would not have died if Scomo was in the country.

    OK I get it now

  76. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2019 10:21 am

    Oh so those firies would not have died if Scomo was in the country.

    guess the same applies for not having dinner

    Of course, if more services had been supplied (as was requested) in the form of equipment and extra manpower, who knows what would have happened differently.

  77. December 20, 2019 10:41 am

    So now that two more people are dead, are we getting closer to YoM’s criteria for what constitutes a crisis.

    Asking for a friend.

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2019 11:02 am

    Just as a matter of interest-
    * Is a road accident that results in fatalities more serious than one that just causes vehicle damage?
    * Is a workplace death seen as more serious than one that results in injury?
    * Does the justice system see murder as more serious than attempted murder?
    * Was the tsunami in 2005 that killed 250,000 people a greater tragedy than others that didn’t kill anyone?

    (**Hint – I think the answer to each question in is “yes”, but clearly others would disagree)

  79. Tony permalink
    December 20, 2019 11:23 am

    Of course, if more services had been supplied (as was requested) in the form of equipment and extra manpower, who knows what would have happened differently.

    Or, if Gillard’s (not a) carbon tax had been left in place global warming would have been solved and we wouldn’t be having this conversation. According to Teh Fire Chieves there would no longer be any fires and everyone who perished in these would be alive.

    Instead, ScoMo fiddled while the country burned.

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    December 20, 2019 11:30 am

    OK I get it now

    No you don’t … it reminds me of senior British Army officers sitting in Paris during WWI … not having a clue about what’s really happening at the front … or a ship’s captain going on leave during operations … ’cause he/she’s tired …

    And military personnel stationed overseas right now – away from family – for months at a time – in one instance for 10 months with two days leave – not with his family.

    Ironic that the Acting PM was whelped in Wagga Wagga … an ADF town …

    Like I said – this country isn’t being led its being bled …

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    December 20, 2019 11:31 am

    I think the answer to each question in is “yes”

    Then you need to think a bit more …

  82. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2019 11:36 am

    According to Teh Fire Chieves there would no longer be any fires

    link?

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2019 11:36 am

    Then you need to think a bit more …

    Yes, I can understand that people of the left see 8 fatalities and 800 buildings as equivalent to 173 fatalities.

  84. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2019 11:51 am

    people of the left see 8 fatalities and 800 buildings as equivalent to 173 fatalities.

    link?

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2019 12:24 pm

    (**Hint – I think the answer to each question in is “yes”, but clearly others would disagree)

    TB obviously disagrees, so does Tom R it seems.

  86. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2019 12:31 pm

    TB obviously disagrees, so does Tom R it seems.

    Not sure with what, not following your morbid death calculations too closely

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2019 12:32 pm

    Tim Dunlop (or the ABC) should consider a correction, Tim Dunlop said (according to reb’s link)-

    But be honest enough to finish the sentence: I think the PM is entitled to a few days off with his kids, despite the fact there’s a national emergency & despite the fact he’s kept his destination secret, behaving as no other PM has in similar circumstances.

    I was listening to the ABC this morning, the morning presenter asked their Canberra bureau to follow up whether PMs usually advised that they were taking leave. The answer was that they don’.

    So who do we believe? The ABC or Tim Dunlop

  88. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2019 12:32 pm

    I scummo is blaming his daughters for abandoning his post

    Seems fair

  89. Walrus permalink
    December 20, 2019 2:02 pm

    Statement from Victorian Health Minister Jenny Mikakos………………

    “But it is sensible to not turn on your dishwasher and your washing machine and all your electrical appliances on days like today.

    “The energy experts assure us that we have sufficient energy supply for today,”

    Provided you don’t need any clean clothes or dishes…………..ROFLMAO

  90. December 20, 2019 2:10 pm

    “whether PMs usually advised that they were taking leave. The answer was that they don’.”

    “behaving as no other PM has in similar circumstances.

    Comprehension is important.

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2019 2:18 pm

    “behaving as no other PM has in similar circumstances.”

    Well, I don’t think the circumstances can be both “unprecedented” and “similar”

    So maybe Tim has decided that the circumstances aren’t “unprecedented” !!

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    December 20, 2019 3:38 pm

    “Contrary to belief, he’s actually a bit of a legend.”

    As the population expands so does the number of twats!

    News.com.au has asked the Prime Minister’s office if the photo was of Mr Morrison in Hawaii. His office is yet to confirm or deny the photo is from his holiday.

    “Confirm or deny?” FFS! Who do they think the wanker is? Are we at war?

    Thanks for helping the Australian economy BTW

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yes, I can understand that people of the left see 8 fatalities and 800 buildings as equivalent to 173 fatalities.

    What’s left or right got to do with “tragedies”?

    You really do need to think a lot more … your choice of “tragedy” and the “obvious – yes” answer to all questions is once again an arrogant assumption …

    … the results of accidents and natural disasters (deaths, injuries, damage) may vary with the same set of circumstances … (although rare … most uncontrolled events have variable multiple causation) … one death in a bush-fire is one too many … the tragedy is multiplied if more deaths occur … it is still a tragedy …

    … in the case of an accident where one person dies and another is injured you fail to recognise that the injured person and their family often suffer physical, emotional and psychological trauma for a lifetime … (ie survivor syndrome, PTSD) … quick death or a painful lifetime???

    If only we all lived simpleton scenarios …

  93. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2019 4:11 pm

    TB obfuscates about the scale of tragedy. That’s “progressive” thinking

  94. Walrus permalink
    December 20, 2019 5:40 pm

    “Unprecedented …”

    Ummmmm………………………not really…………

    http://joannenova.com.au/2019/12/hottest-ever-day-in-australia-especially-if-you-ignore-history/

  95. ivi permalink
    December 20, 2019 10:21 pm

    (TB obfuscates about the scale of tragedy. That’s “progressive” thinking

    Indeed.)

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2019 12:14 pm

    TB obfuscates about the scale of tragedy. That’s “progressive” thinking

    Wrong again … just pointed out your limited understanding of the real world not the “regressive conservative” wonderland you seem to populate …

  97. Tony permalink
    December 21, 2019 12:19 pm

  98. Tony permalink
    December 21, 2019 12:22 pm

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2019 12:24 pm

    https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/world-temperature-map-shows-australia-is-literally-on-fire/

    Interesting map … but let’s just chill … it’s all good … hope and prayers … hope and prayers …

    Or has god abandoned Australia and all who sail in her?

  100. Tony permalink
    December 21, 2019 12:24 pm

  101. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 21, 2019 3:23 pm

    I think the lefties may have a small point. But mostly they want people to do as they say. They are natural totalitarians and want people to jump when they say so. If Morrison had been home they would find out something else to say to make trouble.

    Their motivation is to make trouble not to solve problems

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 21, 2019 3:45 pm

    Wrong again … just pointed out your limited understanding of the real world not the “regressive conservative” wonderland you seem to populate …

    No, you obfuscate about tragedy.

    If 2 people die, rather than 1, in any circumstances, there are twice as many individuals and families effected. it is a greater tragedy.

    But you wanted to put padding and excuses around that. For whatever reason, I have no idea.

  103. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 21, 2019 4:49 pm

    Morrison made a political mistake by heading overseas on vacation, and he would have been aware of the affected outrage that would result.

    But my issue is the way some have drawn the comparison with the behaviour of Victoria’s Police Commissioner, in vacating her post in the emergency control centre on the worst bushfire day in Australia’s history***

    ***As long as you regard 173 human deaths (on a day) as being more significant than 8 (over 2 months)

  104. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 21, 2019 6:29 pm

    ToM

    Exactly

  105. Tom R permalink
    December 21, 2019 7:38 pm

    yomm, how man deaths were known about at the time of the dinner?

    The fires, as you said, had been raging for two months, and the experts (yawn), warned they would get worst

    And off overseas he snuck, without telling anyone.

  106. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 21, 2019 7:48 pm

    On the day the forecast was for catastrophic conditions. The ABC had emergency broadcasts all day, as did a couple of commercial stations.

    All planned this days in advance, once the conditions were known.

    But…the Chief Commissioner had operational control a hair appointment, a meeting with her biographer , a parma & pot and vacated the emergency control centre quite early.

    How this compares with a Prime Minister who does not ev

    But some try to draw comparisons with Morrison, who does not even have reaponsiyfor a fire department, is beyond me.

  107. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2019 7:47 am

  108. ivi permalink
    December 22, 2019 10:18 am

    (It’s all good, ToM; the Sunk-A-Few(-Too-Many)-Bevvies-Legend doesn’t have to make sense when he says that he doesn’t hold a hose or sit in a control room; in any event, taking the piss was/is the Wagga Wagga Kid’s job, and he’s just the Acting Prime Minister to get to the bottom of a pile of flamin’ (e)sc(h)atology.)

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 22, 2019 10:27 am

    Yes thank you, and I must remember to use the term “anthropocentrism” on lefty types next time they propose to limit health care to humans.

  110. ivi permalink
    December 22, 2019 12:30 pm

    (You’re very welcome, ToM.

    ————-

    Meanwhile, “the time for that discussion is over”, apparently: “People can expect my government to do what it promised to do, what it took to the last election,Mr Morrison said.)

  111. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2019 3:37 pm

    not holden hoses

  112. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 22, 2019 3:52 pm

    Interesting article about the uncompromising Twitterverse

    https://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/life-and-relationships/2010-2020-living-in-the-age-of-outrage-20191220-p53lx4.html

  113. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2019 4:06 pm

    I love ‘the age of outrage’

    ffs, that’s the media’s business case lol

  114. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2019 4:15 pm

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2019 9:39 pm

    But you wanted to put padding and excuses around that. For whatever reason, I have no idea.

    Yep, no idea … your BS BTW … I don’t make “excuses” for tragedies …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    and he would have been aware of the affected outrage that would result.

    What a dill! Perception is often more powerful than reality! That’s how the Happy Clappy Dickwit got elected in the first place! LOL!

    Disclaimer: I did not vote for Scott Morrison and the LNP .

    ***As long as you regard 173 human deaths (on a day) as being more significant than 8 (over 2 months)

    Ahhh … but you are the only person doing that! One is too many!

    How this compares with a Prime Minister who does not ev (?) </i.

    Morrison was half a world away?

    who does not even have reaponsiyfor a fire department,

    Shiraz again?

    Yes thank you, and I must remember to use the term “anthropocentrism” on lefty types next time they propose to limit health care to humans.

    ” propose to limit health care to humans ” — lefties do that in your Neverland? Check out a few Royal Commissions lately? Confused or saltwater on the brain?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Meanwhile, “the time for that discussion is over”,

    Discussion? What discussion?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Chuckle @ TR … yeah, such transparent standards – amusing if so many voters don’t “get it”

    Wonder how many would vote for SloMo’s BS today!

    I guess eventually people catch up … after the damage is done! And it costs five times more than the “savings” …

    The mining community has some of the most skilled and able people in the country … guess what they could be doing right now … if they were given the opportunity!

  116. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 23, 2019 9:56 am

    Morrison made a political mistake by heading overseas on vacation, and he would have been aware of the affected outrage that would result.

    But my issue is the way some have drawn the comparison with the behaviour of Victoria’s Police Commissioner, in vacating her post in the emergency control centre on the worst bushfire day in Australia’s history***”

    True that.

  117. Walrus permalink
    December 23, 2019 10:00 am

  118. ivi permalink
    December 23, 2019 11:33 am

    (True that.

    Yes; we all make decisions.)

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    December 23, 2019 10:32 pm

    Walrus permalink
    December 23, 2019 10:00 am

    Ya think Palaszczuk is popular in QLD …

    But it doesn’t quench the stench of Happy Clappy abandonment … this bushfire disaster is over too many states of the Federation … SA, Vic, NSW, WA, Qld …

    Captain: I’m off to take the kids on holidays …

    First Officer: But the ship’s still on fire …

    Captain: Call a plumber …

    Perception is usually more important than reality!

    A leader does not lead from afar nor does he/she lead remotely …

    No excuses for any political dumb-shits for leaving the sinking to a brave bunch of unpaid, ill equipped, but dedicated volunteer fireys …

    What shame!!!!!

  120. ivi permalink
    December 23, 2019 11:55 pm

    (What shame!!!!!

    Naww; the they-want-to-be-theres are become deftly converted into the fatigued-and-no-one-wants-to-be-(t)heres, via the magicks of (‘instant’-)rapport-building, all required supports (already) being in place, and (pro-)active policies and/or Commonwealth-State relations working as (super-)intended; or something(s).)

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 24, 2019 8:12 am

    TB and the outraged brigade have a perception is reality fixation, and everyone should have the same perception.

  122. Tony permalink
    December 24, 2019 9:39 am

  123. Tony permalink
    December 24, 2019 10:16 am

    George Moonbat Monbiot: “Something big has changed. The Oligarchs have discovered the formula for persuading the poor to vote for the interests of the very rich.”

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2019 10:37 am

    TB and the outraged brigade have a perception is reality fixation, and everyone should have the same perception.

    Ya playing with other people’s words again, TToM* …

    “”Perception is usually more important than reality!”” (My comment)

    Translates into TToM* Speak as – “outraged brigade” (an attempt a wordplay with fire brigade?) … and … a “fixation” … and … “everyone should have” …

    So TToM* makes it all about “TB and the outraged brigade” (whoever they are) … and attempts to shift the focus off, HappyClappy’s, dismal prime ministerial cock up …

    TToM* – Constantly focuses on the player not the fkn ball …

    *TediousToM

  125. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 24, 2019 11:27 am

    Honestly TB, you routinely post comments that are deliberately provocative, insulting and ridiculing, then you complain about the response

    Hilariously sensitive

  126. Tony permalink
    December 24, 2019 12:33 pm

    A timely message for the grumpier ones over this festive season (NSFW):

  127. Walrus permalink
    December 24, 2019 1:20 pm

    Merry Christmas to you mainly bunch of Leftist Fucktards

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 24, 2019 2:54 pm

    This must be a conspiracy!!

    How could Frydenberg possibly win??

    (Apparently, here in Kooyong people objected to the GetUp intervention – the doctor’s wives who play tennis aren’t quite as easily swayed as they expected!)

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/josh-frydenberg-and-gladys-liu-s-election-win-cleared-by-federal-court-20191224-p53mq4.html

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 24, 2019 3:07 pm

    And here’s Morrison grandstanding . What’s the point? Providing public servants with an extra 4 weeks to public servants to volunteer for emergency services.

    1. Do they now have hi viz cardigans ? And steel capped velcro shoes?
    2. Will these public servant firefighters stop every 90 minutes for a cup of tea and a tim tam?

    Why oh why doesn’t Morrison do something practical about the bushfires, like closing a power station, and meeting some retired firemen?

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/public-servants-given-extra-leave-to-fight-bushfires-20191224-p53mqj.html

  130. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 24, 2019 3:09 pm

    And here’s Morrison grandstanding . What’s the point? Providing public servants with an extra 4 weeks to public servants to volunteer for emergency services.

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2019 8:14 pm

    This is what’s wrong with MY country!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/24/tamborine-mountain-residents-in-queensland-told-they-cannot-access-emergency-water

    Greed!

    MY country helped their mates … gave everyone a go … didn’t make massive profits off people in trouble … and told big companies to get fucked!

    Australians have become Septic Tanks … stop making decisions based on PROFIT and shareholder returns … and work as the most isolated First World Community should!

    Running a country is not a massive marketing exercise … the World was already SOLD … Aussies were “different” now everyone wants to be a fucking millionaire! Ya don’t need to be … in the best country in the world … we (used to) look after each other!

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2019 8:18 pm

    Honestly TTom, you routinely post comments that are deliberately ill informed, prevaricating and slanderous, then you complain about the response

    Hilariously insensitive

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2019 8:19 pm

    Chuckle … Merry Christmas to you mainly bunch of Leftist Fucktards

    And you cobber, we’re still all here … 🙂

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2019 8:23 pm

    Providing public servants with an extra 4 weeks to public servants to volunteer for emergency services.

    You do know that most volunteers are not PS? And this is just politicking for you and your ilk?

    Why oh why doesn’t Morrison do something practical about the bushfires, like closing a power station, and meeting some retired firemen?

    Or acknowledging that AUSTRALIA has an unprecedented emergency!

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2019 9:30 pm

    Fabulous storm here in Brissy! Whoo! Hoo! Collecting water like its gold!

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2019 9:31 pm

    http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR663.shtml

  137. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 24, 2019 11:08 pm

    And Merry Christmas to (almost) everyone!

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    December 25, 2019 8:44 pm

    Thanks ToM … A merry Christmas to you and yours … 🙂

  139. ivi permalink
    December 26, 2019 12:01 pm

    ((NSFW)

    More than likely, ToSY.

    —————

    Fabulous storm here in Brissy! Whoo! Hoo! Collecting water like its gold!

    Bah humbug! Months of redistributing rivers of gold to my fine-feathered fair-weather friends, and all I get for Xmas is an all-day chorus of a-little-too-chirpy rainsong from atop the car-port guttering.

    —————

    And happy hohoholidays/festivus/hayzeusnailedm’as/etcetera, one and all.)

  140. December 26, 2019 9:17 pm

    Happy Boxing Day

  141. Tony permalink
    December 27, 2019 11:42 am

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2019 7:23 pm

    Happy Boxing Day

    Hangover?

    ToSY, that actually sums up the bullshit of religions …

    BTW I’ve had the good fortune, like others here of travelling and living in differenct countries … I still hold to the belief (oops!) that most human beings are really nice people …

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2019 7:27 pm

    Bah humbug!

    Didn’t mean to “gloat” but empty water tanks for over six weeks! Feel for ya, ivi … you must keep praying and hoping … :roll

  144. Tony permalink
    December 27, 2019 8:18 pm

    Toys, that actually sums up the bullshit of religions …

    Whatever ya reckon. To me it sums up the bullshit on Twitter.

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2019 8:18 pm

    So their jobs are —- pointless? Overpaid? And Redundant?

    Terminate them NOW!

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/nsw/2019/12/27/david-elliott-europe-holiday-bushfires/

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2019 8:31 pm

    Even the Minister for Veterans Affairs almost gets it …

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/12/27/darren-chester-volunteer-firefighters-pay/

    We have an Australian Federal Police (as well as State Police) why not a Mobile Australian Federal Fire Brigade …

    … manned by ex ADF personnel (many who struggle to re-adapt to civilian life) who have all the skills, knowledge and experience to operate as teams within an hierarchy, think quickly in risk situations and the ability to operate heavy plant, equipment (and repair it) and aircraft skills and – if needed boats and rescue …

    Couple that with the skills and knowledge of our indigenous First People and we have an absolute winning organisation !!

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2019 8:34 pm

    Toys, that actually sums up the bullshit of religions …

    Toys? Chuckle

    Whatever ya reckon. To me it sums up the bullshit on Twitter.

    Agree … “social media” is quite the opposite ..

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2019 8:52 pm

    Time to wake up Australia! (Including the Labor Party!!!!!)

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/27/price-of-australian-thermal-coal-slumps-to-lowest-in-more-than-a-decade

    Our FUTURE is in renewable energy — solar, wind, hydrogen, wave, thermal … FFS its not hard to figure!

    It took 17 years for cars to replace horses! (Along with all the shit in the streets!)

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    December 28, 2019 10:01 am

    So the government cuts the penalty rates for the hospitality industry and restaurants still charge 10% surcharge for public holidays?

    Brilliant … *

  150. Tony permalink
    December 28, 2019 2:56 pm

    The unprecedented bushfires devastating swathes of Australia have already pumped out more than half of the country’s annual carbon dioxide emissions in another setback to the fight against climate change.

    https://time.com/5754990/australia-carbon-emissions-fires/

    And

    NEW DELHI: The government will open up the Indian coal sector with a large offering of over 200 blocks for commercial coal mining in the next five years having a potential to produce at least 400 million tonnes of coal at peak capacity. The government hopes to stop coal imports by power plants by 2024, a senior government official said.

    https://m.economictimes.com/industry/indl-goods/svs/metals-mining/over-200-coal-blocks-likely-to-be-auctioned-in-5-years/articleshow/72973166.cms

    However

    Let nobody tell you that the second decade of the 21st century has been a bad time. We are living through the greatest improvement in human living standards in history. Extreme poverty has fallen below 10 per cent of the world’s population for the first time. It was 60 per cent when I was born. Global inequality has been plunging as Africa and Asia experience faster economic growth than Europe and North America; child mortality has fallen to record low levels; famine virtually went extinct; malaria, polio and heart disease are all in decline.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/weve-just-had-the-best-decade-in-human-history-seriously/

  151. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 28, 2019 4:43 pm

    “””So the government cuts the penalty rates for the hospitality industry and restaurants “””

    Please show me when this happened? Penalty rate are set by the FWC set up by LABOR. Govt does not set pay rates.

    Telling lies is your native tongue TB

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    December 28, 2019 7:19 pm

    ToSY

    Environmental opposition to nuclear power has hindered the generating system that needs the least land, least fuel and least steel or concrete per megawatt

    Conveniently forgetting the waste product as usual … and no references for the claims at all …

    Just thought I’d cherry pick just one of Ridley’s “convictions” can’t be bothered listing all of them …

    Ridley lives on a small island that that raped the world for centuries … he probably believes Australia will become part of the new British Empire …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Telling lies is your native tongue TB …

    Penalty rate are set by the FWC set up by LABOR. Govt does not set pay rates.

    A process bastardised by the LNP …

    Your fucking, stupidity and ignorance is your problem … (call me a fucking liar again!)

    The government supported it and pushed the agenda …

    The Turnbull government has hand-balled responsibility for protecting people facing big pay cuts on Sundays and public holidays to the Fair Work Commission, effectively guaranteeing Labor and the union movement will mount a ferocious industrial relations campaign all the way until the next election.

    In its long-awaited response to the commission’s February decision to cut penalty rates for workers in the hospitality, fast food, retail and pharmacy sectors, the government has made no suggestion on how the pay packets of those affected can be protected.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/turnbull-government-backs-penaltyrate-cuts-for-low-paid-workers-20170324-gv5rzr.html

    I’d ask for an apology but you’re too dumb to know what that means …

  153. Tony permalink
    December 28, 2019 7:38 pm

  154. Tony permalink
    December 28, 2019 7:42 pm

    he probably believes

    🤣😂

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 28, 2019 8:53 pm

    A process bastardised by the LNP …

    I think you should explain how this occurred TB. Because I think the Full Bench hearings are exactly the same as occurred under the ALP government.

    Under the legislation the government is entitled to make submissions, as is the right of other parties.

    I think you’ve confused an ALP policy ( to amend their legislation by including penalties in employment protection) at the election with action by the Turnbull government.

    I’d only observe that the ALP government specifically gave the FWC the power to change penalty rates, but they’ve changed their mind when the FWC weren’t persuaded by uniom/ ALP submissions.

  156. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 29, 2019 8:36 pm

    Does the ALP have a position on the payment to volunteer firefighters?

    This is the statement of the ALP Emergency Services Minister- “This is against the spirit of volunteerism,” Ms Neville said.

    The opposite of the comments of the federal spokesperson

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/nsw-volunteer-firefighters-to-be-paid-in-the-new-year-victoria-wary-20191229-p53neb.html

  157. Tony permalink
    December 30, 2019 7:17 am

    The World’s Poorest People Are Getting Richer Faster than Anyone Else: In 1820, 94% of the world’s population lived in extreme poverty. In 1990, 34.8%, and in 2015, just 9.6%.

  158. Tony permalink
    December 30, 2019 8:26 am

    😳😳😳

  159. ivi permalink
    December 30, 2019 9:56 am

    (The unprecedented bushfires devastating swathes of Australia have already….

    Indeed; despite repeated assurances from Management, and/or their (im)media(te) representatives, that everything is under control, that all required resources were/are available, and that everyone, and, by implication, especially them, is doing a fantastic job under challenging conditions; I’d maybe consider (demanding) one of those Royal Commission thingies, conducted in (exhaustive) exploratory mode, and not an in-(Lower-)house diversion from/by those (ir)responsible, to ascertain how circa 5 million hectares, and more, became scorched earth; some of it quite valuable, whether intrinsically (natural heritage, (human/health) environment, upwards of half a billion vertebrate lives lost, etc) or publicly, such that billion(s) of dollars’ worth of state forests must now be expeditiously ‘privatised’; noting that ‘terms of reference’ can be ‘tricky’ things, even when it comes to the operative orders of fired-up commissioned entities; and, also, the ‘challenging conditions’ which they are/n’t necessarily addresssing as well. or better or best, they might, now and into the future.)

  160. Tony permalink
    December 30, 2019 10:22 am

    I’d maybe consider (demanding) one of those Royal Commission thingies, conducted in (exhaustive) exploratory mode

    Yeah, we had one of those here in Victoria ten years ago. And yet we still have bushfires. Then again, I can’t find climate change mentioned in that one.

    http://royalcommission.vic.gov.au/finaldocuments/summary/PF/VBRC_Summary_PF.pdf

  161. Tony permalink
    December 30, 2019 4:15 pm

  162. Tony permalink
    December 30, 2019 5:59 pm

  163. Tony permalink
    December 30, 2019 6:06 pm

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2019 6:14 pm

    Karl Stefanovic has confirmed he and his wife of one year Jasmine Yarbrough are expecting their first child after months of rumours.

    Surely it should read … “after months of copulation” …

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2019 6:24 pm

    This is the statement of the ALP Emergency Services Minister- “This is against the spirit of volunteerism,” Ms Neville said.

    We both agree that’s a dumb statement from Neville … and present circumstances have proven that we need more than a rag-tag volunteer fire service across the country (not that they need to be disbanded but can serve just as they do today – much like the ADF Reserves do now – who train, operate and deploy with regular ADF units)

    Here’s my suggestion … over 3000 (actual number unknown) ex ADF personnel live on the streets … thousands more are unemployed … most will have the skills knowledge and experience to join, develop and operate a standing Federal Fire and Rescue Brigade that can be deployed anywhere in the country … incorporate a Federal Indigenous Land Management Organisation … and …

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2019 6:26 pm

    … that can be deployed anywhere in the country and ASSIST State Fire Services …

    Hope and prayers won’t stop the bushfires coming …

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2019 6:27 pm

    In 1990, 34.8%, and in 2015, just 9.6%.

    Stop reading and start travelling …

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2019 7:01 pm

    Tony permalink
    December 30, 2019 5:59 pm

    Are you referring this ToSY?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50942664

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2019 8:22 pm

    Will Happy Clappy Scotty ever actually make a decisions … without the words … may, could, might, after consideration (yes, ToM that’s a phrase), we are looking at it (bugger a longer phrase) … I’m sure you get the sloppy “decision” making that would see any CEO ousted pretty quickly in the business world – unless you count banks of course …

    Oh the reason for my comment …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/29/volunteers-fighting-bushfires-all-states-eligible-compensation-scott-morrison-australia-fires

    If anyone thinks this dork is “just an ordinary Aussie” you are being taken for the biggest ride Down Under!

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2019 8:23 pm

    Happy Boxing Day

    Sleep thru Xmas Day did we?

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2019 8:28 pm

    For all those people who laugh at Australia’s Workplace Health and Safety Standards …

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/circus-performer-critically-injured-after-onstage-sixmetre-fall/news-story/7eb0dbb1329663b53010997cf4088d3a

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    December 31, 2019 8:00 pm

    HAPPY NEW YEAR! (Hogmanay!) for any Scots here 😉

    Enjoy the fireworks everyone … ************************************

  173. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 1, 2020 3:59 pm

    Thank you! And best wishes for 2020

  174. ivi permalink
    January 1, 2020 5:42 pm

    (And lest we forget: there’s no better place than Wherethebloodyhellareya to raise kids!)

  175. Tony permalink
    January 1, 2020 6:34 pm

    Those The Guardian articles are pretty much unreadable. Not just because of the impenetrable prose, but also the numerous punctuation and grammar mistakes.

    Do they even have sub-editors?

    But Fowler didn’t say there should no check at all.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/mar/28/local-newspapers-newspapers

    Didn’t think so.

  176. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 2, 2020 8:29 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/shocking-photos-and-videos-from-nz-show-iconic-glaciers-turning-brown-from-aussie-bushfires/news-story/cdd7f6c06bf717f3bc05f7d12d9fedf3

    “”Icy white glaciers on New Zealand’s South Island have turned a concerning shade of caramel as a result of the bushfires burning in New South Wales and Victoria.
    Shocking photographs and videos shared on social media over the past 48 hours show the impact of the drifting smoke on some of the country’s magnificent and usually pristine attractions.
    “We can actually smell the burning here in Christchurch,” a user by the name of Miss Roho said on Twitter overnight.”””

  177. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 3, 2020 8:34 am

    Qantas named the safest airline in the world, for the 7th year running.

    That will annoy some unions and many on the left!

    https://www.traveller.com.au/qantas-tops-airline-safety-rankings-h1kscz

  178. Tony permalink
    January 3, 2020 10:03 am

    I think he means ‘election’.

  179. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 3, 2020 2:26 pm

    If Corbyn frequented Chinese brothels he’d be Albo! The ALP by now realises what a dumb leftist boofhead Albo is but they will probably have to lose another election to replace him with Tanya!

  180. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 3, 2020 2:35 pm

    This tweet didn’t age well:

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    January 3, 2020 8:02 pm

    ivi permalink
    January 1, 2020 5:42 pm

    At least your comment made sense, V

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And this …

    Thank you! And best wishes for 2020

  182. reb of international transit permalink
    January 4, 2020 4:19 pm

    Have we reached that point yet where the fires are considered a crisis (according to the YoM Disaster Scale) or is that point still far off ?

  183. Tony permalink
    January 4, 2020 4:28 pm

    Thanks Donald Drunk …

    Yeah! He should have tried appeasement.

    Thread:

  184. Tony permalink
    January 4, 2020 4:32 pm

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2020 5:12 pm

    Have we reached that point yet where the fires are considered a crisis

    You’re not going to Hawaii during a bush fire crisis!

    To Answer your (?) seems SootyMo has finally given in and deployed Reserve Task Forces (up from a few hundred to a couple of thousand) Navy, RAAF and ever faithful grunts as always …)

    blockquote>Morrison calls out the ADF reserve, and funds more water bombers

    The prime minister says just around half an hour ago, the governor-general signed off on the call-out of the Australian Defence Force Reserve to “search and bring every possible capability to bear by deploying army brigades to fire affected communities across Australia”.

    Morrison says a two-star emergency ADF national support co-ordinator will have national authority over the ADF joint task forces in each of the affected states working in co-operation to support state emergency authorities.

    He says the HMAS Adelaide, the navy’s largest amphibious ship, has been readied to join the current ships in supporting the evacuation of citizens from fire affected areas along the coastline. The Adelaide has been loaded up with a bunch of kit.

    Morrison says the NSC today committed up to $20m to lease four extra planes to meet any anticipated future requests from the premiers. That will include two long range fixed wings DC-10s with 30,000 litres capacity and two medium range large air tankers with an 11,000 litre capacity.

    He says the Commonwealth will fully fund the leasing costs with operational costs to be shared with state and territories as usual as they seek to use those assets.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2020/jan/04/australia-nsw-fires-live-updates-victoria-bushfires-rfs-cfa-road-closures-near-sydney-melbourne-latest-news?page=with:block-5e0ffa4a8f085eda5c111de6

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … that’s actively fighting 3 cold/proxy wars-with America, Israel, and Saudi Arabia

    And America because? Get the fuck out of the continent! Too much blood and treasure lost already … other people’s blood and treasure … as always …

    Oddly enough it was 15 Saudis (+4 others) that flew a couple of passenger planes into a couple of big towers almost a decade ago …

    So where did George Bush send troops? Bush was a saint compared to the rambling idiot they’ve let loose in the Washington Playschool for Retarded Billionaires …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    WHAT is the predominant factor …

    I would have voted but I can’t see … O Stupid Denial Fuckwits on Twitter? … as an option?

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2020 5:28 pm

    Yes, I think a there is a greater tragedy occurs when there are human fatalities. But I’m sure others have a different opinion and will be capable explaining circumstances where a house burning is the greater tragedy.

  187. January 4, 2020 5:34 pm

    My understanding is that some people have already been killed in the fires.

    I’m just wondering how many bodies it takes to be considered a crisis according to the YoM Disaster Scale.

    Is it five, ten a 100 or more?

  188. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2020 6:07 pm

    What’s your view? My earlier comments related to bushfires that killed 173 people in a single day as compared to those that had caused 6 fatalities over 2 months.

    Do you think there’s any difference in the scales of those tragedies?

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2020 7:19 pm

    Do you think there’s any difference in the scales of those tragedies?

    The point is that you seem to …

  190. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2020 7:24 pm

    Yes, I certainly see a difference in the scale of tragedies that result in 173 deaths on a single day, as opposed to a series over 2 months that result in 5 deaths.

    I’m pleased to be capable of making that differentiation, and find it bizarrely callous that others can’t.

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2020 7:26 pm

    Scotty’s on the job!

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2020 7:32 pm

    Yes, I certainly see a difference in the scale of tragedies that result in 173 deaths on a single day, as opposed to a series over 2 months that result in 5 deaths.

    One is too many … and you still miss the point … the consequences/outcomes are always “variable” the causes are often the same …

    Would an aircraft manufacturer be told to wait till there are more deaths if their plane crashed? … once twice or a hundred times … no – if there is an identified hazard(s) and there is here … the hazards have to be managed … THEY WEREN’T they were IGNORED.

    SootyMo gambled with other people’s lives and lost them! In the business world that’s workplace manslaughter … with jail time …

  193. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2020 8:32 pm

    You can’t help politicising a tragedy.

    And I’ve not even suggested that one is acceptable, that’s just you producing low grade provocation.

    But 173 death is a greater tragedy than 6 and it’s bullshit to suggest otherwise

  194. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2020 9:12 pm

    I note that Daniel Andrews commented today that he is grateful that the number of people missing, and feared dead, is now 6. There previously had been 28.

    TB should let him know that 1 is too many and there’s no difference between 6 and 28.

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    January 5, 2020 10:09 am

    You can’t help politicising a tragedy.

    Duh! Hypocrisy writ large!

    And I’ve not even suggested that one is acceptable

    Me: “One is too many …” It’s not provocation:

    … its a ZERO tolerance as practised in WH&S … eg businesses were finally made aware that an “estimated” LTIFR of 20* was NOT “acceptable” back in the 90’s … the “target” should be ZERO!

    (*Pick a Number)

    One injury was too many … risk management is based on that concept in the 21st Century … you and the Federal Government don’t seem to get that point.

    The point is that the causation of any tragedy (as you call it) is the real tragedy … especially if it can be eliminated and/or controlled …

    TB should let him know that 1 is too many and there’s no difference between 6 and 28.

    And that is … that’s just you producing … provocation.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/03/trump-florida-evangelical-rally-king-jesus

    And Jesus fkn wept!

  196. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2020 11:08 am

    The point is that the causation of any tragedy (as you call it) is the real tragedy …

    That’s crap. The incident isn’t the tragedy, the tragedy is the human effect, the emotion and grief that families, colleagues and friends experience.

    The grief is compounded by the scale.

    You don’t get it.

  197. January 5, 2020 1:08 pm

    “The grief is compounded by the scale.”

    The YoM Disaster Scale?

    Which brings me back to my original question which you ignored:

    “I’m just wondering how many bodies it takes to be considered a crisis according to the YoM Disaster Scale. Is it five, ten a 100 or more?”

  198. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2020 2:35 pm

    Yes, it’s bizarrely callous isn’t it? …that TB doesn’t differentiate between the impact of a single fatality and multiple.

    I recall that the discussion commenced when some dull lefty types tried to compare Morrison taking a planned vacation with the Victorian Police Commissioner abandoning vacating her post in the Emergency Control Centre 3 times on the day that 173 people died in fires.

    Morrison made a decision that was insensitive and politically inept, Nixon vacated her assigned emergency services post on a day that 173 people died.

    Left types don’t seem capable of making that differentiation.

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    January 5, 2020 7:44 pm

    I recall that the discussion commenced when some dull lefty types tried to compare Morrison taking a planned vacation with the Victorian Police

    I DIDN”T don’t take ya right-wing nut job rants out on me! Just ’cause I turn up regularly …

    They were both fucking wrong … politics aside!

    Its about leadership your prat!

  200. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2020 8:53 pm

    Heavens TB, what a whinge!

    You callously choose not to accept that there is a difference in the scale of tragedy between 6 (over 2 months) and 17 fatalities (on a single day), and then launch that complaint!

  201. January 6, 2020 1:10 am

    “You callously choose not to accept that there is a difference in the scale of tragedy between 6 (over 2 months) and 17 fatalities”

    And you’ve failed to mention just how many deaths constitutes a tragedy (according to YOUR reckoning, anyway) and yet you accuse TB of being callous and having a whinge.

    Seems to me that there’s a fair bit of projection going on there, but you can’t see it.

    How unsurprisement. *rolls eyes*

  202. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2020 8:36 am

    Hi trashtalkers, are we at ‘tragedy’ scale yet?

    Merry New Festivus to one and youse alls

  203. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2020 8:50 am

    This mob makes Nero look good (yea, we know the real story of him too)

    They start by ignoring experts, downplaying the severity, take a bloody holiday, ignore offers of help, and then blame greenies.

    When it blows up in their face, they put out a friggin advert (A FRIGGIN ADVERT) that links to donations for the bloody liberal party no less. And now, they say, don’t play politics.

    Meanwhile, ignoring the cause as much they can

    Even as the country fights bushfires, it can’t stop dumping planet-warming pollution into the atmosphere.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/01/australia-caught-climate-spiral/604423/

    These people are the worst government in the history of the world (part 1). I challenge anyone to find worst!

  204. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2020 9:09 am

    The government gets absolutely (rightly) slammed, while Labor shows they were prepared, just not for the Juggernaut of murdoch+facebook

    LABOR’S NATIONAL FIRE FIGHTING FLEET – SUNDAY, 17 MARCH 2019

  205. January 6, 2020 9:54 am

    “Hi trashtalkers, are we at ‘tragedy’ scale yet?”

    We’ll only know once YoM calls it.

    Otherwise you know, we’re all just having a ‘callous whinge’.

  206. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 6, 2020 9:55 am

    A single death is a tragedy. Multiple deaths are a greater tragedy.

    Let me know if you don’t get that.
    ——-
    Now we can get ready for the further politicisation of the issue, with sensible types acknowledging that more effort needs to be put into fuel reduction and controlled burns, and Greens opposing that and arguing that we need to take the moral high ground on emissions.

    I wonder whether the moral high ground would have prevented these fires.

  207. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2020 10:01 am

    and Greens opposing that

    LINK!

    I has one 😉

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/05/explainer-how-effective-is-bushfire-hazard-reduction-on-australias-fires?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    I wonder whether the moral high ground would have prevented these fires.

    Not sure if moral high ground comes in, but moral responsibility would have minimised it, See Labors link to their NATIONAL FIRE FIGHTING FLEET – (oh, and their Carbon TAX(which reduced emissions, lessening the impact))

    But instead, we have ………. this 😦

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENjX08WU4AAU7xG?format=jpg&name=900×900

  208. January 6, 2020 10:23 am

    “A single death is a tragedy. Multiple deaths are a greater tragedy.”

    Not to the person involved in the single death tragedy.

    But let me ask the question for what must be the fourth time now, seeing as you’ve appointed yourself as the arbiter of what constitutes a crisis/tragedy, exactly how many deaths does is take?

  209. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2020 10:28 am

    a single death is a tragedy a million is a statistic

    We re-enter the new year where we left off, tallying deaths as a marker of convenience.

    Fuckwit!

  210. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 6, 2020 10:35 am

    A single death is a tragedy. Multiple deaths is a greater tragedy.

    Are you able to identify any difference between 173 deaths in fires on a single day, and 6 over 2 months?

    Did you notice the level of community grief over the 173 fatalities?

  211. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2020 10:36 am

    yep, it’s certainly good to be back 😦

  212. January 6, 2020 10:39 am

    “Did you notice the level of community grief over the 173 fatalities?”

    According to what – “the YoM Scale of Community Grief™”…….??

  213. January 6, 2020 10:40 am

    “We re-enter the new year where we left off, tallying deaths as a marker of convenience.”

    Yep.

  214. January 6, 2020 10:40 am

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  215. January 6, 2020 10:58 am

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  216. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 6, 2020 11:00 am

    That’s what I don’t get

    The lack of recall about the grief of the Black Saturday fires. The arguing that there is no difference in the scale of tragedy.

    Does the same apply to (say) the road toll?

  217. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2020 11:12 am

    The lack of recall about the grief of the Black Saturday fires.

    In your little mind perhaps

  218. January 6, 2020 11:35 am

    “Does the same apply to (say) the road toll?”

    The road toll last year was 1182.

    Is that more (or less) of a tragedy than the 137 people who died on one day in bush fires…?*

    Should there be (more or less) ‘outpouring of grief’ over road toll deaths (given that 9x as many people died on roads than on that single day of bush fires), or considering that the road toll deaths occurred over the course of the year – should the grief therefore be less upsetting and spread out throughout the year…?**

    *According to the YoM Scale of Disasters™

    **According to the YoM Scale of Grief™

  219. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2020 12:13 pm

    yomms vary selective in his empathy (as is our meeja)

    Three hundred and sixty-one people have died in truck crashes since the Turnbull Government bowed to ideologues and put politics before safety. In NSW in 2017 40% of all workplace deaths involved a transport worker. Since the watchdog was shut down there has been a 92% increase in truck crashes in NSW.

    https://www.actu.org.au/actu-media/media-releases/2018/crashes-and-fatigue-increasing-as-truck-drivers-mark-second-anniversary-of-turnbull-scrapping-road-safety-and-remuneration-tribunal

  220. January 6, 2020 1:02 pm

    “That’s what I don’t get. The lack of recall about the grief of the Black Saturday fires.”

    Would you be happier with a national day of mourning with compulsory grief, like they do in North Korea…?

  221. Tony permalink
    January 6, 2020 3:23 pm

    (oh, and their Carbon TAX(which reduced emissions, lessening the impact))

    Hello Tom R. Good to see you’re back at work.🤣

    By how much would Labor’s Carbon Tax have reduced global CO2 emissions, or even Australia’s (1.3% of global) emissions? I’m just trying to work out how that reduction would have – as you say – lessened the impact of these fires. Thanks in advance.

  222. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2020 3:28 pm

    tosy wants to know what we obviously cannot provide

    Because some numbnuts destroyed it (but now claim they want it???)

  223. Tony permalink
    January 6, 2020 3:38 pm

    tosy wants to know what we obviously cannot provide
    Because some numbnuts destroyed it (but now claim they want it???)

    Any chance of responding in something other than gibberish?

  224. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2020 3:51 pm

    Any chance of asking in something other than gibberish?

  225. Tony permalink
    January 6, 2020 3:59 pm

    Any chance of asking in something other than gibberish?

    I’ll take your evasion as you conceding that:

    Your claim about Labor’s Carbon Tax being able to have any effect whatsoever on these fires is complete and utter bullshit.

    (I do hope you can understand the above. It’s written in Plaun English.)

  226. Tony permalink
    January 6, 2020 3:59 pm

    *Plain

  227. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2020 4:11 pm

    Well, it’s obvious the Carbon Tax reduced emissions, there is data for that.

    Asking what would have happened had it not been repealed is an impossible ask, as we can’t foresee what other initiatives etc may have spun from it.

    It was killed, dead, buried

    And now, the murderers are wringing their hands

  228. Tony permalink
    January 6, 2020 4:16 pm

    Well, it’s obvious the Carbon Tax reduced emissions, there is data for that.

    You sound so certain, you must have a link. I’d like to interrogate that data.🤓

  229. January 6, 2020 4:22 pm

    For ToSY…

    How a climate change study from 12 years ago warned of this horror bushfire season:

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-a-climate-change-study-from-12-years-ago-warned-of-this-horror-bushfire-season?cid=news:socialshare:twitter

  230. Tony permalink
    January 6, 2020 4:32 pm

    Data released by the Department of the Environment (pdf) showed that emissions in the June quarter rose 0.4%. However, annual emissions to June 2014 dropped 1.4%

    I see. So a reduction by 1.4% of Australia’s 1.3% of global emissions means a global decrease of 0.0182%. Anyone who thinks this could have any effect at all on these fires is not thinking clearly.

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 6, 2020 5:10 pm

    One thing is clear, that even reducing Australia’s emissions by 50% would not make any difference to the bushfires.

    Does anyone seriously think that if global emissions were 99.3% of their current levels, the climate would be different?

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2020 6:05 pm

    Does anyone seriously think that if global emissions were 99.3% of their current levels, the climate would be different?

    Have you ever heard of a concept called synergy?

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2020 7:33 pm

    Ya can believe it or bullshit it … two perspectives the same outcome …

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/05/russia-announces-plan-to-use-the-advantages-of-climate-change

    View at Medium.com

    And Pluto isn’t a planet … and Julius Caesar was no hero! Gay men ARE OK …! Abortion is a woman’s right … men and women are different that’s why we work so well together!
    The People never want to go to war … politician’s do! If democracy worked properly as the original Greek version – most of the world would be at peace and flourishing … a dozen men hold seven billion people to ransom right now!

    Governments of all colours, shapes and sizes have fucked up people’s lives since birth to death for as long as we a have had them!

    Scientists (rarely) want to got to war, rock the boat, or be attacked verbally, physically, or particularly in writing … when they become persistent we should listen to them …

    ________________________________________

    Having said that – renewable energy is making its mark and proving that it works … the shift from horses to cars took almost 50 years … anyone here ever ridden a horse?

  234. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2020 8:19 am

    Have you ever heard of a concept called synergy?

    Exactly TB. It’s why the question is bullshit, because, as tosy showed, you select a small point, which is the only marker they have, showing the beginning of a decline in emissions, and use that in todays environment ignoring what most probably would have been a much larger reduction, not only here, but world wide.

    Sliding Doors. And you cannot measure what you don’t know.

    Of course, even by tosy’s calculations, and bullshit as they are, it’s still better. At this point in time, we should take anything. But we can’t, the libs put paid to that.

    And no matter what people say now, we “used” to be a country others watched because we “were” a leader in moral issues.

    We are now ignored by the world community at large, and seen more as a pariah than a leader.

    And China would be looking and going … why should we, the two countries who made the most from destroying the planet, Australia and the US, are not for changing, so why should they miss out?

    “Greed is Good” is still the motto. And look what it has brought us.

  235. January 7, 2020 9:18 am

    Australia is literally on fire, but ToSY and YoM’s position is that “there’s nothing to see here,” “it’s nothing to do with climate change” and it’s not really a disaster because “not enough people have died yet.”

    Honestly, you couldn’t make this shit up.

  236. Tony permalink
    January 7, 2020 10:40 am

    Honestly, you couldn’t make this shit up.

    Now that you’ve (incorrectly) stated what I think, allow me to tell you what I actually think. Then you can argue against that rather than your straw men:

    There is no climate change policy that Australia could have put in place ever that would have made any difference to these fires. That’s it. Now you can explain the flaws in my argument.

  237. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2020 10:48 am

    And I don’t think I’ve used the term disaster, because I’ve said that the greater the number of fatalities, the greater the tragedy.

    But for their own reasons some disagree.

    I’m also of the view that there is no domestic carbon reduction policy that would have made any difference to these bushfires.

    (And by the way, when was the last time China adopted a policy as a result of international sentiment, and the actions of other countries?)

    Please feel free to discuss.

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2020 10:52 am

    Now you can explain the flaws in my argument.

    1. Proof?

    2. Link(s)?

    Kelly agrees …

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/australian-backbencher-craig-kelly-takes-shots-at-weather-girl-laura-tobin/news-story/fc9dcb7049ce2a6134035606619843b4

    Morrison disagrees … with fudge …

    At a press conference, Morrison says he’s “always acknowledged the link … between the broader issues of global climate change and what that means for the world’s weather and the dryness of conditions in many places” but that “no response by any one government anywhere in the world can be linked to any one fire event”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/04/morrisons-government-on-the-bushfires-from-attacking-climate-lunatics-to-calling-in-the-troops

  239. Tony permalink
    January 7, 2020 10:57 am

    1. Proof?
    2. Link(s)?

    Go right ahead. Explain why I’m wrong if you can.

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2020 11:00 am

    Please feel free to discuss.

    Nah, pointless … I’ll just whack another tank in … set up a windmill … expand the solar array … and make sure my super has no investments in fossil fuels …

    And wonder why America hasn’t got rid of the maniac destroying the USA’s credibility and the world in less than four years … Devine Intervention … ?

    What makes supposedly religious believers (of all shapes, colours and sizes) so nasty?

    Donald Trump’s threat to target “cultural sites” in Iran would put him into an axis of architectural evil alongside the Taliban and Isis, both of which have wreaked similar forms of destruction this century. The Taliban dynamited Afghanistan’s sixth-century Buddhas of Bamiyan in 2001; Isis has destroyed mosques, shrines and other structures across Iraq and Syria since 2014, some in the ancient city of Palmyra. Not, you might have thought, company the US president would prefer to be associated with.

    https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2020/jan/06/the-iranian-cultural-treasures-targeted-by-trump

  241. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2020 11:14 am

    Now you can explain the flaws in my argument.

    Yes, because even your worst case example showed an improvement, tiny, but an improvement.

    The difference may have been imperceptible to casual measurement, but, a difference is a difference, and, if it’s in the correct direction, then it’s a good difference.

    What we got instead was a much poorer difference, which has added to the intensity of these fires

    eg

    For reference, yes, some Australian bush is good at regeneration. Others, not so much. The other issue is that these fires are more intense than have been seen before. “Normal” bush fires and back burning are quick flowing fires that move at speed burning the tops and leaving solid trees standing. These fires are not leaving anything behind.

    If there are any viable seeds remaining, they also will not last long in the regions that are drought affected as rain is required to regenerate the forests afterwards.

    We have no real idea how the bush will handle it. Some are saying that it may change the landscape forever and a Polish study suggests the same. They analysed regrowth based on burn severity and it suggested the most intense burns led to a change.

  242. January 7, 2020 11:22 am

    There is no climate change policy that Australia could have put in place ever that would have made any difference to these fires. That’s it.

    Australia is literally on fire, but ToSY and YoM’s position is that “there’s nothing to see here,” “it’s nothing to do with climate change” and it’s not really a disaster because “not enough people have died yet.”

    “Now that you’ve (incorrectly) stated what I think”.

    Really? It seems like a fairly accurate representation of your position.

    “Now you can explain the flaws in my argument.”

    Why would I bother, when the entire scientific community has already done so, for years.

  243. January 7, 2020 11:32 am

    “I don’t think I’ve used the term disaster, because I’ve said that the greater the number of fatalities, the greater the tragedy.”

    Oh ok, so we’re now talking about tragedy rather than disaster (or grief).

    Do you mean tragedy as in Shakespearean terms, or Greek?

    Because it seems to me that if one individual dies that’s the greatest possible tragedy that could befall that particular individual.

    Or is there a certain number of deaths that constitutes a “greater tragedy” according to barometer of the YoM Scale of Tragedies™?

    It would be helpful if you could clarify which YoM Scale carries the most gravity, as we’re clocking up a fair list:

    The YoM Scale of Disasters™

    The YoM Scale of Grief™

    and now…

    The YoM Scale of Tragedies™

    Is there a hierarcy?

    Please feel free to explain.

  244. ivi permalink
    January 7, 2020 11:34 am

    (Additive and cumulative: every (little) bit counts, every (little) bit ‘helps’.

    ‘Australia’ was(n’t) / is(n’t) / will (not) be doing its ‘bit(s)’?)

  245. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2020 12:05 pm

    Odd leftist view-
    *Road toll of 200 is the same as 2000
    *A light aircraft accident with 3 fatalities is the same as one involving a 747 that kills 340.

  246. Tony permalink
    January 7, 2020 12:05 pm

    Really? It seems like a fairly accurate representation of your position.

    What I actually said is the most accurate.

  247. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2020 12:06 pm

    ‘Australia’ was(n’t) / is(n’t) / will (not) be doing its ‘bit(s)’?)

    It’s the new abnormal 😦

  248. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2020 12:15 pm

    Odd old fart view

    “more people died before, so this is meh”

  249. January 7, 2020 12:42 pm

    Odd YoM view…

    200,000 dying is a greater disaster/tragedy/deserving of more grief* than 199,999 people dying and anyone who thinks differently is a “leftist.”

    *take your pick

  250. Tony permalink
    January 7, 2020 3:00 pm

    Climate change made them do it.

    According to my calculations and estimates, the number of individuals around Australia whose arson has contributed to the current bushfire crisis has now passed 200 . . . Where’s the proof, you ask? Below is a sample of news reports from around the country over recent months.

    https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/01/we-dont-just-have-a-bushfire-crisis-we-have-an-arson-crisis-too/

  251. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2020 3:21 pm

    According to my calculations

    fuck me lol

  252. January 7, 2020 3:24 pm

    😆 😆 😆

  253. January 7, 2020 3:28 pm

    “Climate change made them do it.”

    Actually it was the jeebus…

    https://activechristianity.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about-the-rapture

  254. Tony permalink
    January 7, 2020 4:05 pm

    fuck me lol

    How about this source. She seems suitably concerned about climate change as well.

    Janet Stanley
    Associate professor/Principal Research Fellow, Melbourne Sustainable Society Institute, University of Melbourne

    Humans light 85% of bushfires, and we do virtually nothing to stop it

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/humans-light-85-of-bushfires-and-we-do-virtually-nothing-to-stop-it-126941

  255. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2020 4:28 pm

    How much of that percentage is from controlled burns I wonder 😉

  256. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2020 5:58 am

    some info for the counters

  257. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2020 8:27 am

    This is kinda ……. awkward

    Bots and trolls spread false arson claims in Australian fires ‘disinformation campaign’

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/08/twitter-bots-trolls-australian-bushfires-social-media-disinformation-campaign-false-claims

  258. Walrus permalink
    January 10, 2020 5:41 pm

    “Because it seems to me that if one individual dies that’s the greatest possible tragedy that could befall that particular individual.”

    Nah……………………….the dead are dead and they don’t care so the end of their life is meaningless to them because they now don’t realise they were ever alive anyway.

    The dead don’t care

    The tragedy is the effect on the ones who loved them

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