The Bush fire Blame Game

They’re all out there re-writing history

“PM – who now says his government has “always” seen the connection between #climatechange and #bushfires”

At least it will be interesting watching the msm slowly turn the ‘denial’ leaders into warriors of Gaia

At the moment, they are still floundering with the enormity of it all. They tried to ignore it also, but since xmas, it’s been impossible for them to do that.

He’s the very personification of everything that’s wrong with the LNP

All will be forgotten in the next two years though, as the media focus on the Next Big Tax that will destroy our destroyed economy.

It’s all up from here then 😉

btw, how’s our alleged ‘surplus’ looking?

Swans only mistake was not having the msm trumpet his claims like gospel, loser!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/UCTJACFAEU2DZEMIMG26PYL5DQ.jpg&w=767

Does this mean that you accept the science of global warming yomm?

I’ve said in the past that I’d prefer us to do more, I’m of the view that ALP supporters put too much faith into a price mechanism

I’m of the view that ALP supporters put too much faith into a price mechanism

Even though tosy himself showed that it worked [facepalm]

Some peoples hatred seems to block common sense

Imagine if we used price to control use of water. It would be outrageous!!

Price signals aren’t always efficient.

And the moral high ground isn’t available to the politically aligned.

Yes, how much better would it be, if during a drought , we increased the price of water to $1 a litre, instead of having water saving measures.

The price signal has limited effect on essential services or entrenched habits.

If only…
*We had taken the moral high ground
*Global emissions were 99.5% of their current levels
*Morrison had met with some retired firemen
…these dreadful bushfires would not have occurred

“Go home YoM you’re drunk.”

Not at the moment, but that’s an interesting way of avoiding logic.

From your link TB

Noah was also aghast at the surprise expressed by officials who didn’t think Trump would pick the most extreme option on the menu of options. “Have you seen Trump’s apartment?” he said. “What part of his life suggests he’s going to pick middle-of-the-road options?”

Unless of course, the officials wanted it to 😉

They are American, and America LOVES its wars

I hope they don’t take that as a challenge reb 😦

The last I heard, it was a #qanon conspiracy where Soros was funding isis terrorists to light fires to burn the infidels/capitalist pigs

It’s all so confusing

Scale of hurt feelings 101

“or suspicious in origin”

interesting turn of phrase

The number you are looking for is 13% is deliberate (that number is not actually, arson, just deliberate)

And, it comes with many caveats. I had seen the pie chart shared around a lot, but no explanation, until finally, it got spelled out

1. Authorities don’t bother reporting if no arson, so 40% of fires aren’t even in this study
2. The proportion of deliberate fires drops as the fire danger rating increases – like now.
3. The size of arson fires is nearly always tiny, less than 2 hectares, because they are ignited in urban areas and are extinguished quickly.

But go ahead mindlessly regurgitating murdochs propaganda like a good little foot soldier 😉

We’re the voice of reason

lol

How Rupert Murdoch Is Influencing Australia’s Bushfire Debate

jeebus tosy, did you read the source in each one of the tweets on the thread for each point

They ‘appealed to the same authority’ ffs

https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/bfab/bfab051

https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/bfab/bfab039

https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/bfab/bfab039

Except, they had ‘context’ 😉

These figures suggest that reducing deliberate bushfires can have a significant influence on the total number of fires in Australia.,

Science lol

Of course tosy, recall the important fact in this moment of UNPRECEDENCE

2. The proportion of deliberate fires drops as the fire danger rating increases – like now.

Add that to the fact that “most” of the current fires are created from natural events, mostly, from the fires themselves.

I was told of a house that went up, in a clearing of over 2km, the fire fed itself to reach the house and burn it. I couldn’t believe, the fire had enough force to push itself forward 2km, with no other fuel load. (anecdotal story)

So you no longer endorse your own links?

I don’t disagree with it, I just love when they say the most stupidly obvious remarks.

(You can’t have it both ways.

Sure ‘I’ can; regardless of ignition source; and skipping over an apparent inability to distinguish vegetation types, and, therefore, types of fires, and their behaviours: hot(ter), dry(ier), windy(ier) conditions create (some and) more opportunity for (some and) more fuel, and (some and) more fuel(s) so created, to burn; ergo, 100% of ‘your’ (contrived) argument is bogus, no matter how you arrange your but(t)-for wedge; as you already know, or might be able to reason, from actual fire behaviour experts and actual fire authorities, across multiple jurisdictions, who keep telling liar-liar-arson-fire misinformation-spreaders that actual bushfires, from any and all sources, are actually more likely to happen, and are; and when they do, that it’s (more) often an (unprecedented) emergency).

“Odd that we are now “discussing” arson and hazard reduction and not Happy Clappy’s inept governing “style””

Diversion 101

Print bullshit

Let the Winged Monkeys do the rest

So if this woman at News Limited is so upset that she cant slep I guess she will resign for the sake of her health. However before she does so it would be good if she gave everyone some specific examples of where News is wrong in its coverage.

Otherwise she’s a hypocrite………………………..Right ?

LOL

She’s yet another fucking inner city virtue signaler……………….she resigned in December and was just working through her notice period.

(There is rarely ONE cause to any tragedy …

IDK; there’s prolly a reason why the average habitual pyromancer rarely achieves more than a little hazard irreduction.)

it would be good if she gave everyone some specific examples of where News is wrong in its coverage.

Unless you live in a cave, you couldn’t help but know. 😉

How Rupert Murdoch Is Influencing Australia’s Bushfire Debate

who acts in the best interest of his own country

yea, right 😉

https://theconversation.com/3-reasons-midwest-farmers-hurt-by-the-u-s-china-trade-war-still-support-trump-126303

“I think the Kurds are great people, they are incredible fighters, they are wonderful, warm, intelligent allies in many cases, as you know, it’s different groups of people. But they are great people, I do believe they are great people,” US president Donald Trump responded to Kurdistan 24 reporter Barzan Hassan.

https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/168ca36e-70d1-4bc3-89a3-af91afe643ea

(I assume from the ‘pallets of cash‘ obsession that we do remember the (illegal) war-of-choice with Iraq; and its (domestic) manufacture of consent for ‘regime change’; by the usual psyOperation (Iraqi) Liberationists busily painting themselves worthy of reception with flowers and music from a grateful Blah Blah people?)

But, but, but… I thought appeasement always worked with zealots and dictators!

For my suggestion, perhaps check here…

Babylon Bee rocks:

Can’t wait till trump starts retweeting them 😉

The fuck goes through people’s minds

Hey, if the you can’t handle the smoke, follow the Leader ……… all the way to Hawaii 😉

I think many find it too easy to call people Nazis and fascists.

Perhaps it’s time to dial that back.

Perhaps it’s time to dial that back.

Fascist!

I don’t think you can disparage that word more than Gwyneth Paltrows already done reb

One common definition of the term, frequently cited by reliable sources as a standard definition, is that of historian Stanley G. Payne. He focuses on three concepts:

the “fascist negations”: anti-liberalism, anti-communism, and anti-conservatism;
“fascist goals”: the creation of a nationalist dictatorship to regulate economic structure and to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture, and the expansion of the nation into an empire; and
“fascist style”: a political aesthetic of romantic symbolism, mass mobilization, a positive view of violence, and promotion of masculinity, youth, and charismatic authoritarian leadership

This definition probably has more in common with the greens than the conservatives

Which is as it should be.

Fair enough. But none of them is hurting people is it?

unlike yelling at someone and telling them they don’t belong.

For all we know a young man may have committed suicide because a mob called him #naziyouth.

well, he had a choice not to act like he did. The person they in turn were abusing was just being themselves, and not hurting anybody.

I AGREE! that there is a fine line between what is free speech, and what is hurtful and should be addressed. It’s quite obvious the case between a group of young adults attacking somebody for being themselves, and then a larger group of people calling out that first group for being what they were, is a large gap.

As for the flag, I don’t mind it being displayed, I just hope we keep reminding people what it stood for.

So…it’s fine to call anyone that I consider meets most of the definition of a fascist, a fascist?

Dangers of a Twitter mob pile-on: The tragic outcome of the ‘cancelling’ of Wilson Gavin

The left won’t see it as bullying leading to suicide, it’s the wrong political orientation

https://www.news.com.au/national/dangers-of-a-twitter-mob-pileon-the-tragic-outcome-of-the-cancelling-of-wilson-gavin/news-story/50d3f7d84e2df6b2c8fe5a64af4de8e4

I wonder whether those trolls that attacked him

Just out of curiosity,

LINK!

It was the right-wing Federal LNP Govt that this kid was a part of. Imagine the self loathing required to hang out with a group of people who actively marginalize your very identity.

subjected the nation to the SSM poll and all the vitriol that went with that.

And they were warned, as they were of many things, of the result of their actions.

I didn’t see any articles in the papers about the grief caused by that ‘poll’

I haven’t seen any articles about the grief their own ‘pile ons’ have caused people who question policies against their grain.

Speaking of Diamond, this, from someone else reading at the event

“To me, this incident transcends politics. It is about humanity, and about recognizing that everybody has it,” Johnny Valkyrie, one of the drag queens at the library event, said in an interview with The Washington Post. “I only wish I could tell him I love and support him.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/01/14/drag-protest-death/

It’s interesting that, as that article also states,

Online, Gavin defended himself and the action, saying it was part of the LNP’s fight against “politically correct rubbish.” But even LNP politicians distanced themselves from the demonstration.

Would the condemnation from his chosen party not have effected him more. Also, it appears that ‘online’ indicates facebook, yet, it’s all about Twitter?

But I guess the press have themselves a scapegoat, and that’s where it will end, instead of the root of the issue, whatever that may be.

from the bullshit

What was apparent to me 25 years ago, and is more apparent now, is that emissions reductions are only part of the solution

But they ARE part of the solution, and, if we can’t even get that right, we have no hope.

or at all

Oh ffs!

OK then let me tell you. Climate Science is computer science.

The powers that be put increasing CO2 into the computer program and it spits out the world will warm. Just basic physics.

But that is NOT Science. The world is a complicated place

ANOTHER brilliant takedown of our grubmints complete failure over this disaster, and an exposure of the pathetic lies they have attempted to foment in order to distract

1/ THREAD ON OUR BUSHFIRES VIDEOS. It was clear in December that the bushfires in Australia weren’t only a profound human & environmental crisis – they also highlighted the tensions between politics, business, the media and science within the broader issue of climate change.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1216399114826584064.html

A small sampling 😉

Oh, and they didn’t mention climate change as a cause, or at all.

;cept you knew they did 😉

Under climate change doctrine, fires are not going to get less severe or less numerous.

Imagine, if you will, that we took meaningful action a decade ago, the fires would not have been as severe. Science (yuk) tells us (shows us) this is true

As long as there’s bush, there’ll be bushfires. Take it to the bank.

As you conveniently, again, ignore the fact that it’s the severity that’s the problem 😉

“During this 4,000 year period, there have been four warm periods, including today’s. In the previous warm periods, Medieval, Roman and Minoan, temperatures have been as high, or higher, than they are today, while atmospheric CO2 has remained essentially constant at around 280 ppm.

This again supports the contention that CO2 is having little effect on temperatures rise.

It’s possible to go back hundreds of thousands of years and still see that CO2 hasn’t seemed to affect temperatures………….””

The day Labor bans coal exports is the day I will believe the ALP believes in climate change and is willing to do something about it. Apparently coal has replaced iron ore as our biggest export

TB

Do you read my posts? Climate Science is not science. Scientists are using computers to model the weather. The world is warming but there is no evidence humans have anything to do with it.

It gets warmer in summer and cooler in winter and CO2 has nothing to do with that. The current warming could be just cyclical like the seasons.

Starts with a falsehood and then I lost interest.

Climate change is one of the world’s most pressing challenges. Human emissions of greenhouse gases – carbon dioxide (CO2), nitrous oxide, methane, and others – have increased global temperatures by around 1℃ since pre-industrial times.

It is true global temperatures have increased by one degree and it is assumed but not proven it is due to CO2.

I think it gets hotter in summer because our planet tilts and some areas are more directly exposed to the suns rays. It could be that the earth has moved slightly closer to the sun or for some reason the sun is putting out a little extra heat. That could also explain the extra warming

There is science and there is science and climate science is low grade and untestable

Lol tb

And if the subsidies were removed and solar panels had to stand on its own feet what would it cost? And how much would your system cost without subsidies? No way would you get your money back if you had to pay the full price. Plus apparently solar panels use toxic chemicals which are harmful to the environment and cause problems when they are disposed of. Plus they need to be cleaned to work at maximum efficiency using lots of water.

Take away the subsidies and see what it costs. In NSW people with solar panels get a solar rebate costing everyone because the cost is added onto everyone’s power bills

sigh tosy, did you read that 5G and nbn are not direct competitors

here goes another 5 days of explainin’ ta’ do 😦

Yet I will persevere 😉

Wireless services are also costly from equipment and spectrum viewpoints — and with 5G needing a strong backbone of fibre to every mobile tower, NBN could in future potentially utilise its massive and still-growing fibre footprint to provide the backhaul that will be needed for 5G operators, Guillen suggested.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/5g-will-complement-nbn-not-replace-it-nokia/