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The Bush fire Blame Game

January 6, 2020

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First, Scott Morrison was nowhere to be found.

His office wouldn’t even confirm whether he was on leave (or not) or whether he was in Australia (or not).

The mystery intensified with other LNP Ministers refusing to confirm or deny rumours  the PM was holidaying in Hawaii.

Then, when the scale of the disaster became more apparent, the PM felt compelled to return to Australia, in case he might’ve offended anyone who became ‘anxious’ over his absence.

He shifted the blame for his absence to his kids, because, you know ‘dad’s make commitments to their kids about holidays, ‘n such like.’

Then, when he returned to Australia, he blamed the fires on the States, because you know, fires are a State responsibility, and the PM doesn’t actually hold a fire hose.

This, despite refusing to meet with a panel of fire chiefs and experts who predicted the current situation.

Then, he told everyone to be ‘patient,’ while the nation burned and many lost their homes, livelihood or worse.

When he finally visited fire ravaged areas, he shifted blame for victims who refused to ‘shake his hand’ to those victims themselves, saying they were angry and upset.

Then, despite initially stating the fires were a State responsibility, announced a $20 million rescue package to fight the bush fires.

But he neglected to inform Rural Fire Service (RFS) Commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons who instead found out about the package through the media.

Morrison then blamed a ‘breakdown in communications’ for the omission. (It’s never his fault).

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Then, the PM was slammed for authorising a social media advertising campaign which sought to spruik the Government’s response.

Now, Morrison is saying that it’s not the time to discuss climate change or who’s to blame for the fires.

Will this incompetent buffoon ever accept any responsibility or accountability for anything?

Just in: Apparently the Home Affairs Office [The Government Department responsible for managing national emergencies] has shut its doors due to the bush fires.

Has anyone seen or heard from Peter Dutton or is he still holidaying too….??

 

 

389 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2020 12:45 pm

    They’re all out there re-writing history

  2. January 6, 2020 1:05 pm

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  3. January 6, 2020 1:22 pm

    The Ruddster is forecasting the unthinkable..

    The Abbott denialist cult has taken over the entire Coalition. It continues under Morrison and, when they oust him soon, it will continue under Dutton. It’s become the battle cry of the far right which now runs the entire conservative show in Canberra. ​​

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/06/the-government-response-to-the-bushfire-crisis-has-been-evasive-tepid-tone-deaf-and-above-all-too-late

  4. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2020 4:01 pm

    Seems it’s all Facebooks fault

  5. Tom R permalink
    January 6, 2020 4:22 pm

  6. January 6, 2020 4:58 pm

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  7. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2020 8:25 am

    “PM – who now says his government has “always” seen the connection between #climatechange and #bushfires”

    At least it will be interesting watching the msm slowly turn the ‘denial’ leaders into warriors of Gaia

    At the moment, they are still floundering with the enormity of it all. They tried to ignore it also, but since xmas, it’s been impossible for them to do that.

  8. January 7, 2020 9:13 am

    “At the moment, they are still floundering with the enormity of it all. They tried to ignore it also, but since xmas, it’s been impossible for them to do that.”

    Indeed.

    The fuckwit brought a lump of coal into Parliament FFS.

    Even the usually unflappable Craig Kelly was eviscerated on UK TV overnight. He’s the very personification of everything that’s wrong with the LNP government and has been exposed for the monumental fuckwit he is…

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/you-are-a-climate-denier-craig-kelly-in-car-crash-british-tv-interview-over-bushfire-crisis-20200107-p53pd9.html

  9. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2020 9:18 am

    He’s the very personification of everything that’s wrong with the LNP

    All will be forgotten in the next two years though, as the media focus on the Next Big Tax that will destroy our destroyed economy.

  10. January 7, 2020 9:20 am

    “All will be forgotten in the next two years though, as the media focus on the Next Big Tax that will destroy our destroyed economy.”

    And FauxMo will take us off marching into a war with Iran – anything to get a meaningful response to climate change off the agenda (and the front pages of the msm)…

  11. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2020 9:35 am

    It’s all up from here then 😉

    btw, how’s our alleged ‘surplus’ looking?

  12. January 7, 2020 9:41 am

    FauxMo said last year they had already brought the budget back into surplus this year last year so I’m not sure how you can “unaccomplish” something that has already been accomplished, but you know, this is the logic of the FauxMo so called “government”.. 😯

  13. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2020 10:02 am

    Swans only mistake was not having the msm trumpet his claims like gospel, loser!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/UCTJACFAEU2DZEMIMG26PYL5DQ.jpg&w=767

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2020 12:19 pm

    It’s wishful thinking to believe that global emissions of 99.7% of the current levels would have made any difference to the drought, the days of extreme temperature or the bushfires.

    But, I agree that more firefighting aircraft and fuel management/burning off would have helped.

  15. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2020 12:21 pm

    Does this mean that you accept the science of global warming yomm?

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2020 12:30 pm

    I don’t recall that I’ve debated it, or argued against the science.

    I’ve taken issue with some of policies/politics to deal with it.

    And “taking the moral high ground” is hardly a policy.

  17. January 7, 2020 12:44 pm

    “And “taking the moral high ground” is hardly a policy.

    Yet it doesn’t stop you from doing it when it comes to determining what constitutes a disaster/tragedy.

    Hypocrisy much?

  18. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2020 1:05 pm

    I don’t recall that I’ve debated it, or argued against the science.

    Then don’t you agree that doing something positive to alleviate it can only be good?

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2020 1:12 pm

    I’ve said in the past that I’d prefer us to do more, I’m of the view that ALP supporters put too much faith into a price mechanism

  20. January 7, 2020 1:37 pm

    “I’m of the view that ALP supporters put too much faith into a price mechanism”

    ALP supporters you say…. *rolls eyes*

    Liberal prime minister John Howard has announced a carbon trading scheme will be set up if he wins the 2007 federal election.

    “Implementing an emissions trading scheme and setting a long-term goal for reducing emissions will be the most momentous economic decision Australia will take in the next decade,” he tells ABC’s AM program.

    Mr Howard says the new emissions scheme will help Australia substantially lower greenhouse gas emissions at the lowest cost.

    “Australia will more than play its part to address climate change but will do it in a practical and balanced way in full knowledge of the economic consequences for our nation,” he said.

    Federal Environment Minister Malcolm Turnbull says the carbon emissions trading scheme will be comprehensive.

    “It will cover 80 per cent of all emission outside agriculture and about 55 per cent of total emissions in Australia,” he said.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-07-17/howard-announces-emissions-trading-system/2505080

  21. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2020 1:39 pm

    I’m of the view that ALP supporters put too much faith into a price mechanism

    Even though tosy himself showed that it worked [facepalm]

    Some peoples hatred seems to block common sense

  22. January 7, 2020 1:43 pm

    “A macho leader can’t accept your refusal to shake his hand with grace and humility because then he must admit he is only human — not a winner, not one of the chosen, or the special.

    He must acknowledge that he does not have all the answers and sometimes simply does not know what to do.”

    “But when the chips are down they fail us, because machismo is not strength; it is not smart; it only has one answer: authoritarianism; one tone: belligerent; one style: scorn. Macho leaders must have an enemy to fight. ”

    “They win by dividing people into us (the good guys) and them: greenies, gays, inner-city elites, Muslims, African gangs, Jews, dole bludgers, noisy Australians, feminists et al.”

    https://10daily.com.au/views/a200106jxotm/jane-caro-the-world-is-run-by-right-wing-bullies-who-are-useless-in-a-crisis-20200107

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2020 2:07 pm

    Imagine if we used price to control use of water. It would be outrageous!!

    Price signals aren’t always efficient.

    And the moral high ground isn’t available to the politically aligned.

  24. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2020 2:16 pm

    Who’s a bully?

  25. January 7, 2020 2:30 pm

    “Price signals aren’t always efficient.”

    Oh, look over there – – – – – – a furry thing.

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2020 2:39 pm

    Yes, how much better would it be, if during a drought , we increased the price of water to $1 a litre, instead of having water saving measures.

    The price signal has limited effect on essential services or entrenched habits.

  27. January 7, 2020 2:55 pm

    The price signal has limited effect on essential services or entrenched habits.

    You mean like smoking…?

  28. January 7, 2020 2:57 pm

    Maybe you should just give it a rest for today YoM..

    😆

  29. Tom R permalink
    January 7, 2020 3:32 pm

    The price signal has limited effect on essential services or entrenched habits.

    Take it up with tosy, he’s the one who said the Carbon Price worked 🙂

    ………………….. 3 … 2….

  30. January 7, 2020 3:39 pm

    LOL…

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2020 4:23 pm

    Yeah! Those anti smoking campaigns, education and images on the cigarette packets have no effect on whether people smoke!

    It’s all about the price!

    If only the goohad the sense to jack the price of water up during droughts. Maybe then we would understand its value.

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2020 4:27 pm

    If only…
    *We had taken the moral high ground
    *Global emissions were 99.5% of their current levels
    *Morrison had met with some retired firemen
    …these dreadful bushfires would not have occurred

  33. January 7, 2020 6:02 pm

    Go home YoM you’re drunk.

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2020 6:08 pm

    Imagine if we used price to control use of water. It would be outrageous!!

    WTF! We do … where do you get this shyte from? One of the reasons we have a 3KL tank for drinking water a 5KL tank for the garden and about to add another 3KL for emergency … all stainless steel … we were just overcharged a $100 for water (credited) …

    … and don’t make that dumb statement anywhere in a town on the Murray-Darling … of course there’s a charge for water …

    And the moral high ground isn’t available to the politically aligned. Especially RWNJ’s who’d deny the Pope is a catlick!

    The price signal has limited effect on essential services or entrenched habits.

    And if the water gets contaminated we continue pay and to use it, I suppose … y’know like chuffing pollutants into the air we breathe for that other essential service – electricity …

    Just another bunch of “essential services” privatised by dumb, greedy, incompetent, arse shining politicians supported by ill informed rat-bags, who’d vote to toddle off to war – as long as its not their family with the fucking rifle!

    …these dreadful bushfires would not have occurred

    The bush-fires would but the means to fight and control them would have skyrocketed … given a different Federal Government … and a commitment at the last election …

    It’ll be alright, Mr Potato Head is packing for Kirribilli as we speak …

    I can’t wait for the next “Downfall” spoof!

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2020 6:10 pm

    Go home YoM you’re drunk.

    WTF is he?

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2020 7:00 pm

    “Go home YoM you’re drunk.”

    Not at the moment, but that’s an interesting way of avoiding logic.

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2020 8:34 pm

    Not at the moment, but that’s an interesting way of avoiding logic.

    Ya reckon? Try logic … why avoid it?

  38. January 7, 2020 8:42 pm

    “logic” …??

    Is that what you’re calling your inane rants. 🙄

  39. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2020 7:28 am

    C’mon reb, yomm applying logic would be, dare I say it, Unprecedented.

  40. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 8, 2020 9:07 am

    Morrison has failed utterly in his most important role – that of leader of the country. In stark contrast Jacinda Ardern showed exceptional leadership at the time of NZ’s tragic mass killing.

  41. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2020 9:13 am

    #scomofo is just a cant

  42. January 8, 2020 9:17 am

    This is an excellent article regarding Morrison’s conduct in the lead up to, and since the crisis has unfolded…

    https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/nick-feik/2020/07/2020/1578372000/national-disaster

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2020 10:34 am

    Thanks, reb, Nick Feik (Feik LOL!) hits the nail on the head …

    … as I keep saying to The Minister – most of ’em catch up eventually …

    … some classic lines in that article … I do hope the “denialists” take time to read and digest the whole article – not the usual, out of context, cherry picking …

    Apparently that was my monthly free article … looking forward to February then … 🙂

  44. January 8, 2020 10:46 am

    Oh terrific….

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  45. January 8, 2020 10:47 am

    Thank Feik for that article…!

  46. January 8, 2020 11:00 am

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  47. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2020 11:35 am

    Impeachment

    ->

    LOOK OVER THERE!

    ffs 😦

  48. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2020 11:43 am

  49. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2020 12:20 pm

    From your link TB

    Noah was also aghast at the surprise expressed by officials who didn’t think Trump would pick the most extreme option on the menu of options. “Have you seen Trump’s apartment?” he said. “What part of his life suggests he’s going to pick middle-of-the-road options?”

    Unless of course, the officials wanted it to 😉

    They are American, and America LOVES its wars

  50. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2020 12:24 pm

    It’s all going swimmingly

    Iran’s Tasnim news agency is now quoting Iranian officials warning that if the US retaliates against these strikes in Iraq, Hezbollah will fire rockets at Israel — a threat to widen the conflict and bring Iran’s regional allies into play.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/jan/07/trump-news-today-live-impeachment-articles-iran-latest-updates-democrats?page=with:block-5e152a328f087e8308e6a695#block-5e152a328f087e8308e6a695

  51. January 8, 2020 12:44 pm

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  52. January 8, 2020 1:27 pm

    YoM and ToSY have a new ally…

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  53. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2020 1:32 pm

    I hope they don’t take that as a challenge reb 😦

    The last I heard, it was a #qanon conspiracy where Soros was funding isis terrorists to light fires to burn the infidels/capitalist pigs

    It’s all so confusing

  54. Tom R permalink
    January 8, 2020 1:46 pm

    I guess if all you read is the lolstrayan, you could be excused for having stupid thoughts.

    ..

    Nah, scratch that, take some responsibility you gullible fools, it’s not like you weren’t warned. THEY LIE! REPEATEDLY

  55. January 8, 2020 2:32 pm

    And in completely random an unrelated news…

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2020 2:48 pm

    The last I heard …

    Don’t give ’em fkn ideas!

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2020 2:51 pm

    All we need is another pointless war …

  58. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 8, 2020 3:12 pm

  59. January 8, 2020 3:14 pm

    And in completely random and unrelated news…

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  60. January 8, 2020 4:47 pm

    It’s not the same without YoM here kicking in the door looking for someone to pin an argument onto is it.

  61. Tony permalink
    January 8, 2020 6:19 pm

    Jeezuz! I just read through this thread and couldn’t help noticing reb of Melbourne agrees with TomR, who agrees with reb, who both agree with TB Queensland who agrees with the two of them. On every topic from Trump to the bushfires.

    It must be comforting to have everything you read on Twitter and The Guardian backed up by such independent thinkers.🤣😂

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2020 7:06 pm

    It must be comforting to have everything you read on Twitter and The Guardian backed up by such independent thinkers.

    You’d know … 😀 😀

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2020 7:07 pm

    And ToM 😀

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2020 7:07 pm

    And Splatterbum 😀

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2020 7:07 pm

    And Wally 😀

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2020 7:08 pm

    And NewsCorpse 😀

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2020 7:08 pm

    And Sky 😀

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2020 7:09 pm

    And 7 Seven 😀

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2020 7:09 pm

    And Nine 😀

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2020 7:12 pm

    And Macquarie 4BC 3AW 2GB 6PR 😀 😀 😀 😀

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2020 7:12 pm

    And Bananby Joyce 😀

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2020 7:13 pm

    The LNP, Liberal, National Parties Whoo! Hoo! 😀

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2020 7:15 pm

    Oh, and Donald Drunk … 😀

    … he’s started a war to get himself off the hook … and ma-a-a-ateFauxMo too … watch Happy Clappy dribble at the mouth playing WAR LEADER! They’ll make a movie!

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2020 7:18 pm

    And let’s not forget, Tony Abbott, Craig Kelly, Mr Potato Head et al 😀

    There all on your side, ToSY … 😀

    (Ours too! Chortle! Wait till the Unprecedented Recession hits … coming your way soon!)

  75. Tony permalink
    January 8, 2020 7:27 pm

    Oh, and Donald Drunk … 😀
    … he’s started a war to get himself off the hook …

    Guffaw. Off the hook for what? The Democratic Party have already impeached him in a completely partisan vote. (Every Republican voted against it as did two Democrats, and another Democrat voted present.) That’s pretty much the worst thing that can happen to a sitting president. So what is he getting himself off the hook from?

  76. Tony permalink
    January 8, 2020 7:28 pm

    There all on your side, ToSY … 😀

    I think you mean ‘they’re’.

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2020 8:08 pm

    Off the hook for what? ….. So what is he getting himself off the hook from?

    You just told us. Look. Over.There. Classic Tory Playbook …

    That’s pretty much the worst thing that can happen to a sitting president

    Actually its not – read some Yankee History … be enlightened …

    I think you mean ‘they’re’.
    Thanks ToM … GUFFAW!

  78. Tony permalink
    January 8, 2020 8:16 pm

    Actually its not

    Apart from assassination of course.😳

  79. Tony permalink
    January 8, 2020 8:20 pm

    You just told us. Look. Over.There. Classic Tory Playbook …

    Oh, I see. So because he “started a war” no one will pay attention to his impeachment (should Pelosi ever pass the articles on to the senate). Genius Tory move by Trump.

  80. Tony permalink
    January 9, 2020 8:13 am

    Oh look. Trump’s evil Tory Playbook plan is coming together.

    Senate Democrats break with Pelosi over impeachment trial
    “If it’s serious and urgent, send them over. If it isn’t, don’t send it over,” says Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/01/08/senate-democrats-break-pelosi-over-impeachment-096224

  81. Tony permalink
    January 9, 2020 8:17 am

    And Trump can’t even start a war correctly.

    Trump says ‘Iran appears to be standing down’ following missile strikes

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/jan/08/iran-trump-news-today-live-latest-updates-attack-us-base-iraq

    (It’s in the Guardian so it must be true.)

  82. January 9, 2020 8:31 am

    “I just read through this thread and couldn’t help noticing reb of Melbourne agrees with TomR, who agrees with reb, who both agree with TB Queensland who agrees with the two of them.”

    Indeed! How peculiar that those who agree with what the scientists have been saying for decades, and is now actually happening before our eyes, find ourselves in agreement with each other, whereas you and YoM who prefer to get your ‘feelpinions’ from SkyNews and The Telegraph find yourselves united in blind ignorance.

    How unsurprisement… 🙄

  83. Tony permalink
    January 9, 2020 8:35 am

    How unsurprisement… 🙄

    We’re the voice of reason. It’s not too late to get on board!🤓

  84. January 9, 2020 8:59 am

    We’re the voice of reason Craig Kelly.

    There, fixed it for ya. 🤓

  85. Tony permalink
    January 9, 2020 9:11 am

    😂🤣

  86. Tom R permalink
    January 9, 2020 9:29 am

  87. January 9, 2020 9:44 am

    I would like to add to YoM’s ….

    Scale of Tragedy™

    Scale of Grief™

    Scale of Disaster™

    The new:

    I’m not showing up; “Scale of Hurt Feelings™”

    😆

  88. Tom R permalink
    January 9, 2020 9:58 am

    Trump says

    Lots of shit. What’s yor point?

  89. Tom R permalink
    January 9, 2020 10:01 am

    Scale of hurt feelings 101

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    January 9, 2020 12:30 pm

    I was thinking about firefighters firstly.”

    Please explain?

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    January 9, 2020 12:36 pm

    And Gina Whinehurt’s on side, ToSY …

    The statement says the billionaire does not want to “rush” to blame climate change for the devastation.

    “(Mrs Rinehart) is most concerned that the true causes of this sad devastation are tackled, rather than missed in the rush to blame climate change,” the spokesman said in a statement seen by the Daily Mail.

    “In particular, restrictions on building dams are lifted, the dangerous restrictions on allowing adequate fire breaks and restrictions on land clearing, which regulations have helped to cause life and stock losses, property damage, and damage to livelihoods and much suffering.”

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/mining/gina-rinehart-hits-back-at-celeste-barbers-criticism-over-bushfires/news-story/c2307ec1126e4af5e04741f75df02beb

    I’m surprised she didn’t suggest a small nuclear explosion as a fire brake****** or a laser gun to cut down trees … 😀

  92. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 9, 2020 4:14 pm

    And Splatterbum”

    TB, old thing, did you not read my comment above (Jan 8, 9:07am).

    I just say what I think. Nothing wrong with that.

  93. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 9, 2020 4:15 pm

  94. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 9, 2020 4:20 pm

    Sure thing Paul:

    He later deleted the tweet.

  95. January 9, 2020 4:37 pm

    “Sure thing Paul”

    Remember when some ‘unknown person’ hacked into Christopher Pyne’s twitter account to “like” some gay porn..?

    Happy days.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-16/christopher-pyne-says-hacker-liked-porn-tweet/9155964

  96. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 9, 2020 4:47 pm

    “Remember when some ‘unknown person’ hacked into Christopher Pyne’s twitter account to “like” some gay porn..?”

    Who doesn’t? Could happen to anyone!!!!

    I wonder what the old mincing poodle is up to these days?

    And if you want proof of the poodle’s proclivities just look at the names he gave his children: Felix Pyne, Eleanor Pyne, Barnaby Pyne, Aurelia Pyne.

  97. January 9, 2020 6:20 pm

    They do all sound like porn names! 😆

    But WTF would name their kid “barnaby”….. 😯

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    January 9, 2020 8:35 pm

    TB, old thing, did you not read my …

    Only when I see TB in your comment sweetie …

    But WTF would name their kid “barnaby”

    Agree … sounds too much like Bananaby to me! 😀

  99. Tony permalink
    January 10, 2020 7:07 am

    Australian Institute of Criminology: The number of fires and who lights them

    It is estimated that 50 percent of fires are either deliberately lit or suspicious in origin

    [Another 35% are accidentally lit by humans and 15% are from natural or other causes.]

    https://aic.gov.au/publications/bfab/bfab059

  100. Tom R permalink
    January 10, 2020 8:40 am

    “or suspicious in origin”

    interesting turn of phrase

    The number you are looking for is 13% is deliberate (that number is not actually, arson, just deliberate)

    And, it comes with many caveats. I had seen the pie chart shared around a lot, but no explanation, until finally, it got spelled out

    1. Authorities don’t bother reporting if no arson, so 40% of fires aren’t even in this study
    2. The proportion of deliberate fires drops as the fire danger rating increases – like now.
    3. The size of arson fires is nearly always tiny, less than 2 hectares, because they are ignited in urban areas and are extinguished quickly.

    But go ahead mindlessly regurgitating murdochs propaganda like a good little foot soldier 😉

  101. Tony permalink
    January 10, 2020 9:31 am

    But go ahead mindlessly regurgitating murdochs propaganda like a good little foot soldier 😉

    You’ll notice that study is from a government department, carried out by public servants – who are obviously being paid by the evil Murdoch(!) to produce anti-global warming propaganda.🙄

    Where the fuck do you get this shit from? You’re a science denier!

  102. Tom R permalink
    January 10, 2020 9:34 am

    We’re the voice of reason

    lol

    How Rupert Murdoch Is Influencing Australia’s Bushfire Debate

  103. Tom R permalink
    January 10, 2020 9:35 am

    Where the fuck do you get this shit from?

    The same place you got yours from, check the thread 😉

  104. Tony permalink
    January 10, 2020 9:44 am

    No worries. So @james00000001 and @susiemandley of the University of Twitter are higher authorities than the Australian Institute of Criminology. Got it.

  105. Tony permalink
    January 10, 2020 9:56 am

    [How do you like my “appeal to authority”? I know it’s a logical fallacy but You People do it all the time so thought I’d try it.]

  106. Tom R permalink
    January 10, 2020 10:04 am

    jeebus tosy, did you read the source in each one of the tweets on the thread for each point

    They ‘appealed to the same authority’ ffs

    https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/bfab/bfab051

    https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/bfab/bfab039

    https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/bfab/bfab039

    Except, they had ‘context’ 😉

  107. Tom R permalink
    January 10, 2020 10:04 am

  108. Tony permalink
    January 10, 2020 10:19 am

    No, but I’ll go through them and get back to you. From the first link, ‘ Proportion of deliberate bushfires in Australia’:

    Despite these uncertainties, it is clear that natural fires are actually quite rare and that the vast majority of vegetation fires arise from human causes, including deliberate arson. These figures suggest that reducing deliberate bushfires can have a significant influence on the total number of fires in Australia.

    No argument from me with that one.

  109. Tom R permalink
    January 10, 2020 10:20 am

    Separating Fact From Fiction: A Breakdown Of The Small Role Arson Played This Bushfire Season

    https://10daily.com.au/news/australia/a200109ykhpu/separating-fact-from-fiction-a-breakdown-of-the-small-role-arson-played-this-bushfire-season-20200109

  110. Tony permalink
    January 10, 2020 10:25 am

    Second link, ‘ Bushfires lit deliberately during adverse bushfire weather’

    From a prevention perspective, it can be concluded that efforts to prevent all forms of human instigated firesetting generally will reduce the overall incidence of known deliberately lit fires that occur during high risk conditions. Better data on causal factors showing whether suspicious fires are a result of deliberate firesetting or of accidental/negligent human action will help guide the targeting of resources into the detection of arsonists active during more adverse weather conditions.

    Sounds logical, so, again, I have no problems with that.

  111. Tony permalink
    January 10, 2020 10:27 am

    [Third link is the same as the second one, so nothing more to add.]

  112. Tom R permalink
    January 10, 2020 10:35 am

    These figures suggest that reducing deliberate bushfires can have a significant influence on the total number of fires in Australia.,

    Science lol

    Of course tosy, recall the important fact in this moment of UNPRECEDENCE

    2. The proportion of deliberate fires drops as the fire danger rating increases – like now.

    Add that to the fact that “most” of the current fires are created from natural events, mostly, from the fires themselves.

    I was told of a house that went up, in a clearing of over 2km, the fire fed itself to reach the house and burn it. I couldn’t believe, the fire had enough force to push itself forward 2km, with no other fuel load. (anecdotal story)

  113. Tony permalink
    January 10, 2020 10:51 am

    Science lol

    ROFL.

    Those were links you provided – used as sources by your Twitter scholars (James00000001 et al). So you no longer endorse your own links?🤣

  114. Tom R permalink
    January 10, 2020 10:57 am

    So you no longer endorse your own links?

    I don’t disagree with it, I just love when they say the most stupidly obvious remarks.

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2020 11:47 am

    Veracity of social media campaign rejected by police

    Experts have discredited the theory of arsonists being the key factor to blame for the intensity of this bushfire season.

    Victoria Police said arson is incorrectly being identified on social media as the chief cause behind the fires burning in the state.

    False arson claims spread on social media amid Australian bushfire crisis

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/twiggy-forrest-clarifies-climate-stance-after-70-million-bushfire-donation

  116. Tom R permalink
    January 10, 2020 1:51 pm

  117. Tony permalink
    January 10, 2020 2:26 pm

    By the way, where did this number come from?

    The number you are looking for is 13% is deliberate (that number is not actually, arson, just deliberate)

    I’d like to look at the source material. I’m sure you’ll be happy for me to verify it for you (or not).

  118. Tony permalink
    January 10, 2020 2:28 pm

    Lol. Disgruntled News Corp employee. Just as well she doesn’t work for the post office.

  119. Tony permalink
    January 10, 2020 3:11 pm

    All right. You’ve endorsed supplied that link twice now. I’ll take that as meaning you’re happy to accept their conclusions.

    You are correct that their pie chart lists 13% of vegetation fires as deliberately lit. What you don’t say is they deem another 37% to be “suspicious”.
    They say – I don’t say, the people to whom you linked say – they are the result of human intervention and are likely deliberate. In their words:

    “ However, on average across the country, approximately 13 percent of vegetation fires are recorded as being deliberate and another 37 percent as suspicious. That is, for all vegetation fires for which there is a cause recorded, 50 percent may be lit deliberately (Figure 1).”

    They don’t say they may be natural, or they may be caused by reigniting, or even ‘others causes’. This agency, the Australian Institute of Criminology, an organisation you have linked to more than once, thinks half of all vegetation fires in Australia in the past five years ‘may be lit deliberately’.

    So do we go along with them and believe their analysis, or just pick the slice of cherry pie that best suits your argument and the assertions of James00000001 TD (Doctor of Twitterology)?

    You can’t have it both ways.

  120. Tom R permalink
    January 10, 2020 3:34 pm

    Did you then move to point 2.?

    2. The proportion of deliberate fires drops as the fire danger rating increases – like now.

    (this is where it might get confusing for the blindfolded) 😉

  121. Tony permalink
    January 10, 2020 3:53 pm

    2. The proportion of deliberate fires drops as the fire danger rating increases – like now.

    So? What you fail to understand (or are deliberately ignoring) is they analysed 5 years of data from 18 agencies totalling 280,000 fires – which obviously includes fires when the danger rating is high, and others when it’s not so high. The proportion may drop in high fire season but overall the AIC says 50% of fires ‘may be deliberately lit’.

  122. Tom R permalink
    January 10, 2020 4:19 pm

    yes, but we are currently talking about a high fire danger period, are we not, when it comes to people trying to blame these fires on arson, rather than climate change?

  123. ivi permalink
    January 10, 2020 4:33 pm

    (You can’t have it both ways.

    Sure ‘I’ can; regardless of ignition source; and skipping over an apparent inability to distinguish vegetation types, and, therefore, types of fires, and their behaviours: hot(ter), dry(ier), windy(ier) conditions create (some and) more opportunity for (some and) more fuel, and (some and) more fuel(s) so created, to burn; ergo, 100% of ‘your’ (contrived) argument is bogus, no matter how you arrange your but(t)-for wedge; as you already know, or might be able to reason, from actual fire behaviour experts and actual fire authorities, across multiple jurisdictions, who keep telling liar-liar-arson-fire misinformation-spreaders that actual bushfires, from any and all sources, are actually more likely to happen, and are; and when they do, that it’s (more) often an (unprecedented) emergency).

  124. Tony permalink
    January 10, 2020 4:35 pm

    Okay, Victoria Police say the arson figures for the current quarter won’t be available till March. The proportion of deliberately lit fires will decrease in high fire season because fires from dry lightning strikes increase. That doesn’t mean the number of deliberately lit fires decreases. Habitual arsonists wont suddenly stop getting their kicks because of a high fire danger rating. Arson is still happening. Accurate statistics won’t be known till later.

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2020 4:36 pm

    A senior News Corp employee has accused the company of “misinformation” and diverting attention from climate change during the bushfire crisis in an explosive all-staff email addressed to executive chairman Michael Miller.

    The email accuses News Corp papers, including the Australian, the Daily Telegraph and the Herald Sun, of misrepresenting facts and spreading misinformation to focus on arson as the cause of the bushfires, rather than climate change.

    The email was penned by a senior member of News Corp’s commercial arm in response to an all-staff email from Miller detailing the leave arrangements available to staff and announcing other bushfire-related initiatives.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jan/10/news-corp-employee-climate-misinformation-bushfire-coverage-email

    Odd that we are now “discussing” arson and hazard reduction and not Happy Clappy’s inept governing “style” …

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2020 4:38 pm

    So? What you fail to understand (or are deliberately ignoring) is they analysed 5 years of data from 18 agencies totalling 280,000 fires

    Read ALL of the link above …

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2020 4:41 pm

    Here …

    This week, the Australian reported that 183 arsonists had been arrested during the current bushfire season. The figure was the sum of data from various states and territories. But it wrongly characterised figures from a number of states, some of which were 12-month totals, and included statistics from other bushfire-related offences, like contravening a total fire ban.

    There is rarely ONE cause to any tragedy …

  128. Tony permalink
    January 10, 2020 4:55 pm

    As the climate crisis escalates…
    … the Guardian will not stay quiet. This is our pledge: we will continue to give global heating, wildlife extinction and pollution the urgent attention and prominence they demand. The Guardian recognises the climate emergency as the defining issue of our times.

    Guffaw. At least they make it clear they are not a news organisation but a campaign arm of the green/left.

    At least News Corp publishes some alternative views.

    The Australian has published pieces making clear the link between climate change and the bushfires, including a piece by Jack the Insider

    You won’t find any unauthorised opinions in the Guardian.

  129. Tom R permalink
    January 10, 2020 5:04 pm

    “Odd that we are now “discussing” arson and hazard reduction and not Happy Clappy’s inept governing “style””

    Diversion 101

    Print bullshit

    Let the Winged Monkeys do the rest

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2020 5:30 pm

    Let the Winged Monkeys do the rest

    What does a Winged Monkey look like, TR?

  131. Walrus permalink
    January 10, 2020 5:33 pm

    So if this woman at News Limited is so upset that she cant slep I guess she will resign for the sake of her health. However before she does so it would be good if she gave everyone some specific examples of where News is wrong in its coverage.

    Otherwise she’s a hypocrite………………………..Right ?

  132. Walrus permalink
    January 10, 2020 5:34 pm

    slep=sleep

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2020 5:34 pm

    At least News Corp publishes some alternative views.

    The Australian has published pieces making clear the link between climate change and the bushfires, including a piece by Jack the Insider

    That link was published by the Guardian … duh … and I link to a number of sources … and comment (in between all the RWNJ/Rednecks) on news.com.au)

    … my word you do have it bad …

    Message to TR: Ignore my last question …

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2020 5:36 pm

    Wally – here’s a clue …

    “I find it unconscionable to continue working for this company, knowing I am contributing to the spread of climate change denial and lies.

    I think that’s a resignation … with balls!

    Just wake up from a Nanny slep* … chuckle …

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2020 5:45 pm

    From NEWS.COM.AU!

    Happy Clappy was warned about this too …

    PEACE IN THE BALANCE

    Some 21 per cent of the world’s crude oil passes through the 34km-wide Strait of Hormuz. Then there’s all the gas.

    The point is, some regions are more reliant on it than others.

    Japan, China, South-East Asia – and Australia – are heavily dependent on this troubled part of the world.

    And Australia has no strategic reserves.

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/trigger-for-war-34km-body-of-water-that-could-ruin-australia/news-story/61d1dfb13802d2a7d907182b97ab09f8

    Interesting graph …

  136. Tony permalink
    January 10, 2020 5:53 pm

    That link was published by the Guardian … duh …

    Yes, it was your fucking link you fuckwit which you asked me to read in full.

    Read ALL of the link above …

    So, being scrupulously fair, I read it. What did you expect me to do then, not comment on it?

    … my word you do have it bad …

    Do I, TB Queensland? Then you must have it diabolically bad, judging by the shit you write.

  137. Walrus permalink
    January 10, 2020 6:01 pm

    LOL

    She’s yet another fucking inner city virtue signaler……………….she resigned in December and was just working through her notice period.

  138. Tony permalink
    January 10, 2020 6:29 pm

    she resigned in December and was just working through her notice period.

    Quelle surprise! The Guardian and Twitter failed to mention that tiny little fact. Probably didn’t think it was pertinent.🙂

  139. Tony permalink
    January 10, 2020 6:39 pm

    I just re-read the article and this line is appears: “ Miller issued a statement on Friday afternoon saying Townsend had resigned in December and was due to leave the company shortly.”

    I remember reading it earlier and thinking they didn’t identify the employee and wondering whether they would have the courage of their convictions and quit. I’m not saying they’ve changed the article but they’ve changed the article.

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    January 11, 2020 12:16 am

    Quelle surprise! The Guardian and Twitter failed to mention that tiny little fact. Probably didn’t think it was pertinent.

    No they didn’t … that’s how you “found” it FFS … she resigned for the reason she sent the email … DUH!

    Logic seems to be a dying social attribute …

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    GOSCOMO! luv it … c’mon Potato Head – oh, wait!

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/major-rallies-held-in-australian-cities-calling-for-prime-minister-scott-morrison-to-be-sacked/news-story/54b61b35563536a0b8a8fade8580b57f

    Bleat, bleat, bleat, bleat!

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    January 11, 2020 12:28 am

    From a “reliable” source for ToSY et al …

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/irrelevant-australian-republicans-brutal-reaction-to-royal-saga/news-story/04df42700e43716ba26113330c69b6f9

    WTF has happened to Rupert & Sons …

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    January 11, 2020 12:31 am

    Micro management Communist style … planning for a takeover …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/10/josh-frydenberg-demands-insurers-provide-unprecedented-detail-about-bushfire-property-losses

    (Don’t try and be smart and confuse communist with socialist)

  143. ivi permalink
    January 11, 2020 2:16 pm

    (There is rarely ONE cause to any tragedy …

    IDK; there’s prolly a reason why the average habitual pyromancer rarely achieves more than a little hazard irreduction.)

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    January 11, 2020 7:06 pm

    V … I was engrossed in your links until the last …

    Don’t let ToM see it … oh, bugger!

    Science, Technology, Environment and Resourses Group
    10 December 2002

    Credence? or is that credense?*

  145. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2020 8:28 am

    it would be good if she gave everyone some specific examples of where News is wrong in its coverage.

    Unless you live in a cave, you couldn’t help but know. 😉

    How Rupert Murdoch Is Influencing Australia’s Bushfire Debate

  146. January 13, 2020 8:37 am

    Dutton will be sharpening the knives…

    “Scott Morrison suffers blow to personal approval rating in first poll of 2020..”

    Satisfaction in Morrison fell eight points and dissatisfaction increased by 11 points, both movements outside the poll’s margin of error of 2.5%. Just 4% of voters were “uncommitted” when asked how Morrison is performing.

    Albanese is in positive territory after a six-point increase in satisfaction from 40% to 46% and dissatisfaction falling from 41% to 37%.

    He leads Morrison as preferred prime minister, 43% to 39%, the first time he has done so since taking the Labor leadership after Bill Shorten’s shock loss at the May 2019 election.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/13/scott-morrison-suffers-blow-to-personal-approval-rating-in-first-poll-of-2020

  147. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 13, 2020 8:54 am

    “Iran’s Tasnim news agency is now quoting Iranian officials warning that if the US retaliates against these strikes in Iraq, Hezbollah will fire rockets at Israel”

    Exactly what you would expect from islamists: too gutless to fight the Yanks so they kill some Jews instead!

  148. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2020 9:03 am

    too gutless to fight the Yanks so they kill some Jews instead!

    Question.

    If they are too gutless to fight the yanks, why are the yanks fighting them?

  149. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 13, 2020 9:09 am

    Instead of paying off the mongrel mullahs with pallets of cash, thus funding a regional terror spree and further oppression of the Iranian people Trump killed the man behind the terror.

    Instead of following Obama in pointedly refusing to give any support for Iranians protesting and being killed to overthrow their oppressors, Trump is giving them moral support and practical assistance by killing the leader of the forces killing and injuring them in the streets.

    Obama worked to entrench the Islamist regime, the worlds largest state sponsor of terror. Trump is, quite rightly, doing the opposite.

    Here is what the Iranians really think of Soleimani. Of course the MSM was busy grieving the death of their hero, Iran’s “most revered military leader”. While I am sorry for their loss, this episode is a good example of how their twisted minds work: Trump can never be credited on doing anything right and must be vilified on every issue even if it means painting terrorist scum in a good like. The fake news media is indeed the enemy of the people.

  150. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 13, 2020 9:13 am

    If they are too gutless to fight the yanks, why are the yanks fighting them?”

    Their gutlessness is only recent. Obama gave them billions of dollars even as they were holding Americans hostage and chanting “Death To America” in their parliament. With encouragement like that no wonder they thought they could kill with impunity.

    OTOH, faced with a president who acts in the best interest of his own country the musloid mongrels weren’t so brave.

  151. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2020 9:20 am

    who acts in the best interest of his own country

    yea, right 😉

    https://theconversation.com/3-reasons-midwest-farmers-hurt-by-the-u-s-china-trade-war-still-support-trump-126303

  152. Tony permalink
    January 13, 2020 9:29 am

    All I know is Trump can’t even start a war correctly.

  153. Tony permalink
    January 13, 2020 9:31 am

    Translated from Persian by Google: “To the brave and suffering Iranian people: I have stood with you since the beginning of my presidency and my government will continue to stand with you. We are following your protests closely. Your courage is inspiring.”

  154. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2020 9:38 am

    We are following your protests closely. Your courage is inspiring.

    Similar words to what he offered the Kurds originally, wasn’t it?

    That ended well for them

  155. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 13, 2020 9:43 am

    It hasn’t ended yet.

  156. Tony permalink
    January 13, 2020 9:56 am

    James Brown of the US Studies Centre just said on Sky News that Trump is ‘out of control’.

    It’s informative to note that. brown is Malcolm Turnbull’s son-in-law and in the past has been accused of “doing his father in law’s bidding”.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/national/us-studies-centre-caught-up-in-war-of-independence-20170327-gv7d79.html

    Who can forget Turnbull’s pre-election visit to Hillary, while not bothering to visit the other possible president. Then there was his refugee deal while Obama was in caretaker mode (leading to a testy post-election phone call). This all cumulated in his bizarre speech on Trump’s election night.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/donald-trumps-triumph-rocks-canberra-20161109-gslqi2.html

    Then Turnbull couldn’t resist mocking Trump in June 2007 before an adoring Canberra media.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-australia-40284372

    The US Studies centre is not a neutral observer and not even goof at studying the US. Not one of its associates picked the Trump election victory.

  157. Tony permalink
    January 13, 2020 10:00 am

    Similar words to what he offered the Kurds originally, wasn’t it?

    I don’t recall that. Perhaps you can provide a link.

  158. Tony permalink
    January 13, 2020 10:01 am

    cumulated *culminated

  159. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2020 10:04 am

    “I think the Kurds are great people, they are incredible fighters, they are wonderful, warm, intelligent allies in many cases, as you know, it’s different groups of people. But they are great people, I do believe they are great people,” US president Donald Trump responded to Kurdistan 24 reporter Barzan Hassan.

    https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/168ca36e-70d1-4bc3-89a3-af91afe643ea

  160. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2020 10:07 am

  161. Tony permalink
    January 13, 2020 10:14 am

    Okay, Trump liked the Kurds while they were fighting a mutual enemy.

    I guess that means he shouldn’t show public support for the Iranian protesters? 🙄

  162. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2020 10:25 am

    Our government (lol) knew, and sat on it. And now, people are dead

    They need jail time for dereliction of duty

    A federal government plan to prepare for the dire effects of climate change-related natural disasters was left to gather dust in the Department of Home Affairs for 1½ years before catastrophic bushfires hit last month.

    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/government-buried-climate-risk-action-plan-20200110-p53qeg

    And why are water bombers sitting on the ground in other countries, while our cuntry burns?

  163. ivi permalink
    January 13, 2020 10:44 am

    (I assume from the ‘pallets of cash‘ obsession that we do remember the (illegal) war-of-choice with Iraq; and its (domestic) manufacture of consent for ‘regime change’; by the usual psyOperation (Iraqi) Liberationists busily painting themselves worthy of reception with flowers and music from a grateful Blah Blah people?)

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    January 13, 2020 10:47 am

    Trump killed the man behind the terror.

    Trump needs to watch his back then …

    I won’t bother with the rest of the comments … people seem to think invading other countries (to save the people) is OK … let’s hope China doesn’t get the same idea here … America has been doing it for decades and Australia just trots along behind … before that it was the Colonials Britain, France, Germany, Spain, Portugal sailing around the globe “helping” the “natives” … naive or what? Ask the Aboriginals what they think about being helped by the Poms …

    The hypocrisy of Trump “helping” Iran while starving them with sanctions is ludicrous …

    I won’t bother with the rest of the comments …

  165. Tony permalink
    January 13, 2020 10:56 am

    I won’t bother with the rest of the comments …

    Oh no! You mean you’re going to deprive everybody of the utter crap you write your extraordinary insights on every single topic?

  166. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 13, 2020 11:50 am

    “The hypocrisy of Trump “helping” Iran while starving them with sanctions is ludicrous …”

    I know, I know, TB. Trump should do what Obama did – give lots of money to the leaders of the terror state, say nothing to support the protesters fighting those tyrants for their freedom, ignore the fact that Iran has killed large numbers of Americans and holds others hostage and declare oneself a foreign policy genius. Oh and to make sure the mongrel mullahs are not upset, Obama restricted Project Cassandra which was closing in on drug trafficking by Hezbollah to finance its terror activities.

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 13, 2020 11:58 am

    But, but, but… I thought appeasement always worked with zealots and dictators!

  168. Tony permalink
    January 13, 2020 1:43 pm

    U.S.—President Trump’s approval rating among terrorists hit an all-time low today according to a CNN poll. This comes just days after he killed several of them …

    https://babylonbee.com/news/trumps-approval-rating-among-terrorists-hits-all-time-low

  169. January 13, 2020 1:56 pm

    Scott Morrison’s approval rating has taken a hammering as a result of his handling of the bush fires…

    But, but, but I thought it wasn’t (isn’t) a:

    1. Tragedy;
    2. Crisis;
    3. Disaster

    According to YoM because not enuff people have died yet.

    All these weak as piss people crying over nothing.

  170. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 13, 2020 2:01 pm

    Babylon Bee rocks:

  171. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 13, 2020 2:29 pm

    For my suggestion, perhaps check here…

  172. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2020 3:03 pm

    Babylon Bee rocks:

    Can’t wait till trump starts retweeting them 😉

  173. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 13, 2020 3:26 pm

    Maybe this one?

  174. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 13, 2020 3:34 pm

    Or maybe this one:

  175. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2020 3:41 pm

    lol, from that last one splats, if Meghan is the New Yoko, does that mean trump is the new Lennon? 😉

  176. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 13, 2020 4:08 pm

    “trump is the new Lennon”

    Nah, Tom R.

    Trump is unique. Trump ran as the outsider who would take on the establishment. He defeated the next iteration of the corrupt Klintoon Klan which is a great thing for the U.S. People really hoped Trump would challenge the swamp which he has managed to some extent do. So far he has done better than expected with the economy and other areas. If he doesn’t fuck up he should win in November.

    The only way the Dems win is with a brokered convention where Michelle Obama is drafted as the candidate.

    The sham impeachment process has been a disaster for them electorally.

  177. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 13, 2020 4:10 pm

    Also, why did Harry take up with an older woman? Prince Andrew should have had a word with him!

  178. Tony permalink
    January 13, 2020 4:13 pm

    All generalisations are false, including this one. ~ Mark Twain

  179. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 13, 2020 4:17 pm

    Things never go well when Royals marry Yanks!

  180. Tom R permalink
    January 13, 2020 5:55 pm

    The fuck goes through people’s minds

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    January 13, 2020 6:12 pm

    Live in Redlands, Brisbane. Married. Dad. Love fishing, tennis, footy – Broncos, Hawks, Lions fan. Christian. 4th term LNP MP – Oodgeroo (Cleveland district)

    Mmmm …

  182. Tony permalink
    January 13, 2020 6:20 pm

    Sounds like another victim of the twitter mob.

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    January 13, 2020 8:05 pm

    Sounds like another RWNJ pollie … “Christian” FFS! Why bother … ?

  184. January 13, 2020 8:34 pm

    “For that he was treated terribly. “

    WTAF…??

    Yeah, like Hitler was treated badly for the principled stand he took against Jewish ppl…

  185. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 13, 2020 8:45 pm

    Hands up everyone whose views haven’t changed/matured since they were 20.

    The annoying views of someone hardly out of their teens shouldn’t be a death sentence.

  186. January 13, 2020 9:43 pm

    There’s nothing to suggest his views had changed YoM.

    Perhaps if we were to fast forward 10 or 20 years we might know if they might have.

  187. January 13, 2020 9:44 pm

    “Hands up everyone whose views haven’t changed/matured since they were 20.”

    I still think most ppl are cunts.

    So that hasn’t changed.

  188. January 13, 2020 9:52 pm

    But in saying that, I don’t think he deserves to die just for being a dickhead.

    The interwebs would be a lonely place if that were the case.

  189. January 13, 2020 9:56 pm

    Sounds like another victim of the twitter mob.”

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  190. January 13, 2020 10:02 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  191. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2020 6:10 am

    The same people who will blame social media are the same ones who said a national survey on people’s relationships wouldn’t impact mental health of LGBTI people.

    I wonder what folou(?) thinks about people not being able to say what they want. Of course, even assuming a pile on is what led to his death, perhaps, just perhaps, if you don’t want to be associated with a hashtag #naziyouth, don’t run around acting like the Nazi Youth. (just a thought)

    So, we are now allowed to be bigoted if our religion says so, but not allowed to highlight bigots being bigots?

  192. January 14, 2020 7:22 am

    “if you don’t want to be associated with a hashtag #naziyouth, don’t run around acting like the Nazi Youth. (just a thought)”

    Bingo!

  193. January 14, 2020 7:23 am

    How good is the Melbourne smoke this morning?

    It’s all good, it’s all part of the “new normal” according to the PM..

    Thanks Scummo! What a great legacy!

  194. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2020 8:14 am

    Hey, if the you can’t handle the smoke, follow the Leader ……… all the way to Hawaii 😉

  195. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 14, 2020 8:47 am

    So it it ok to hound a young person to the point of suicide in any circumstances?

  196. January 14, 2020 8:57 am

    “So it it ok to hound a young person to the point of suicide in any circumstances?”

    Naturally you’ll have a link for that. You know, cause of death in this particular circumstance.

  197. January 14, 2020 9:04 am

    And besides, I don’t think anyone is actually arguing that that is acceptable (except in your own mind perhaps, but there’s nothing unusual about that).

  198. January 14, 2020 9:23 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  199. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2020 9:30 am

    So it it ok to hound a young person to the point of suicide in any circumstances?

    When I went through the #nazi whatever it was hashtag, I couldn’t find any comments directed at the guy personally. It was almost all at the group. I can’t find the hashtag now though, maybe they took it down?

    Of course, perhaps the fanatics who instill this irrational hatred into impressionable minds need to reflect on themselves. Seems they won’t, going on the comments of Mark Robinson MP above.

    You can only imagine what an openly gay kid trying to survive in an environment like that would have to try and cope with.

  200. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 14, 2020 9:46 am

    I think many find it too easy to call people Nazis and fascists.

    Perhaps it’s time to dial that back.

  201. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2020 9:54 am

    I see even pvo is getting tired of being lied to

  202. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2020 9:54 am

    Perhaps it’s time to dial that back.

    Fascist!

  203. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 14, 2020 10:05 am

    Very funny!
    I was about to note that I was out for a bite to eat last night, a spot on the coast. The smoke haze really improves the colours of the sunset!

  204. Tony permalink
    January 14, 2020 10:10 am

    The same people who will blame social media are the same ones who said a national survey on people’s relationships wouldn’t impact mental health of LGBTI people.

    That’s a logical fallacy.

  205. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2020 10:12 am

    The smoke haze really improves the colours of the sunset!

    You know that you can adjust that on a personal basis without trashing the entire cuntry

  206. January 14, 2020 10:12 am

    “That’s a logical fallacy.”

    LINK!

  207. Tony permalink
    January 14, 2020 10:13 am

    if you don’t want to be associated with a hashtag #naziyouth, don’t run around acting like the Nazi Youth.

    If everyone’s a Nazi (Youth) then nobody’s a Nazi (Youth).

  208. Tony permalink
    January 14, 2020 10:16 am

    LINK!

    Jeez, we’re a bit shouty today. And sooo demanding.🙄

    It doesn’t take much thought to work out that members of the first group are not necessarily members of the second group.

  209. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2020 10:32 am

    If everyone’s a Nazi (Youth) then nobody’s a Nazi (Youth).

    Perhaps everyone around you is a nazi youth, but that doesn’t hold the same for normal people everyone. 😉

  210. January 14, 2020 10:41 am

    “It doesn’t take much thought to work out that members of the first group are not necessarily members of the second group.”

    I think the author is highlighting the apparent cognitive dissonance in those right wingers who are quick to blame bullying on social media for the death of their anti-gay gay pin up boy, but yet insisted that any claims of bullying and vilification during the same-sex marriage debate on social media were negligible.

    But I take your point that not all Germans were Nazis.

  211. January 14, 2020 10:42 am

    “Jeez, we’re a bit shouty today. And sooo demanding”

    Just taking a page out of the YoM playbook…. 😆

  212. Tony permalink
    January 14, 2020 11:06 am

    Perhaps everyone around you is a nazi youth, but that doesn’t hold the same for normal people everyone. 😉

    Hopefully a few people knew what I meant. But Just for you,Tom R. The more you call people Hitler or Nazis, the more it diminishes the meaning of those words.

  213. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 14, 2020 11:07 am

    Just taking a page out of the YoM playbook….

    LINK!

  214. Tony permalink
    January 14, 2020 11:17 am

    Because Nazis just want to control who has soup.

  215. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2020 11:23 am

    the more it diminishes the meaning of those words.

    I prefer to think it highlights the actions of others. But if you want to minimize their <strike fascist tendencies homophobic bigotry, that’s your call.

  216. Tony permalink
    January 14, 2020 11:35 am

    But if you want to minimize their <strike fascist tendencies homophobic bigotry, that’s your call.

    That looks like fun. Can I try it?

    If you want to be a Nazi apologist, minimising their historical atrocities by using their name as a throw-away insult, that’s your call.

    See that? I called you a Nazi apologist because you defended the use of their name as an insult. The same way you accused me of defending bigotry because I argued against using those terms in that way.

    Such fun.

  217. January 14, 2020 11:44 am

    “The more you call people Hitler or Nazis, the more it diminishes the meaning of those words.”

    CUNT..!

  218. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2020 11:48 am

    I don’t think you can disparage that word more than Gwyneth Paltrows already done reb

  219. January 14, 2020 12:01 pm

    I had no idea what you were talking about until…..

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  220. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 14, 2020 12:04 pm

    reb: “CUNT..!

    I had no idea what you were talking about until…..I saw the Paltrow tweet.

  221. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2020 12:09 pm

    Wait till splats releases his perfume range.

  222. January 14, 2020 12:09 pm

    😆 😆

  223. January 14, 2020 12:10 pm

    Coming back to Gwyneth’s candle….

    How would anyone know if it’s legit…?

  224. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2020 12:23 pm

    Can we call them nazis?

    It’s all so confusing.

  225. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 14, 2020 12:48 pm

    One common definition of the term, frequently cited by reliable sources as a standard definition, is that of historian Stanley G. Payne. He focuses on three concepts:

    the “fascist negations”: anti-liberalism, anti-communism, and anti-conservatism;
    “fascist goals”: the creation of a nationalist dictatorship to regulate economic structure and to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture, and the expansion of the nation into an empire; and
    “fascist style”: a political aesthetic of romantic symbolism, mass mobilization, a positive view of violence, and promotion of masculinity, youth, and charismatic authoritarian leadership

    This definition probably has more in common with the greens than the conservatives

  226. Tony permalink
    January 14, 2020 12:50 pm

    Can we call them nazis?

    You can and probably will. There’s no law against it just as there’s no law (yet) against flying a Swastika flag on your private property. There’s also no law against pissing on or burning the Australian flag.

    Which is as it should be.

  227. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2020 1:14 pm

    Which is as it should be.

    Fair enough. But none of them is hurting people is it?

    unlike yelling at someone and telling them they don’t belong.

  228. Tony permalink
    January 14, 2020 1:23 pm

    Fair enough. But none of them is hurting people is it?

    Quite possibly they are. Holocaust survivors might be hurt by the sight of a swastika flag. War veterans might be hurt by flag-burnings. For all we know a young man may have committed suicide because a mob called him #naziyouth.

    But that’s the high price we pay for freedom of speech. Freedom is not free.

  229. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2020 1:26 pm

    For all we know a young man may have committed suicide because a mob called him #naziyouth.

    well, he had a choice not to act like he did. The person they in turn were abusing was just being themselves, and not hurting anybody.

    I AGREE! that there is a fine line between what is free speech, and what is hurtful and should be addressed. It’s quite obvious the case between a group of young adults attacking somebody for being themselves, and then a larger group of people calling out that first group for being what they were, is a large gap.

    As for the flag, I don’t mind it being displayed, I just hope we keep reminding people what it stood for.

  230. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2020 1:46 pm

    lol

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 14, 2020 1:57 pm

    So…it’s fine to call anyone that I consider meets most of the definition of a fascist, a fascist?

  232. Tom R permalink
    January 14, 2020 2:01 pm

    So…it’s fine to call anyone that I consider meets most of the definition of a fascist, a fascist?

    Well, you would, wouldn’t you, you fascist

  233. January 14, 2020 3:08 pm

    has anyone got an update on Gwyneth Paltrow’s vagina…?

  234. Tony permalink
    January 14, 2020 3:48 pm

    I completed an online application for a vagina-smelling job at the Melbourne laboratory of Goop, Gwyneth’s company. They just rang to ask whether I could be in Darwin next Tuesday.
    Me: “Is that where the interview is?”.
    Goop: “No, that’s where the queue starts.”
    😳😳😳

  235. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2020 3:52 pm

    I think many find it too easy to call people Nazis and fascists.

    But Communist is OK

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    This definition probably has more in common with the greens than the conservatives

    Don’t confuse anti-liberalism with your “Liberal” Party … more in common with liberal/national/conservatives …

    ie USA

    Since the 1960s, the Democratic Party has been considered liberal and the Republican Party has been considered conservative. As a group, liberals are referred to as the left and conservatives as the right.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There’s also no law against pissing on or burning the Australian flag.

    Which is as it should be.

    But the more you do it the more it diminishes its meaning …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But that’s the high price we pay for freedom of speech. Freedom is not free.

    I agree …

    But not everyone pays a price … many steal and abuse the right …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I just hope we keep reminding people what it stood for.

    Stands for? I hope.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The more you call people Hitler or Nazis, the more it diminishes the meaning of those words.

    How does that work … people think more makes it better?

    If we say Murderer more often will that diminish the meaning?

    What about arsehole? Do they get smaller?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … has anyone got an update on Gwyneth Paltrow’s vagina…? Its getting worn out … I thought the vagina dust was a bit dry … great on snags …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You lot have been busy … some of us to work for a living …

  236. January 14, 2020 4:23 pm

    LOL @ ToSY… 😆

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2020 4:24 pm

    LOL!!!!

  238. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 14, 2020 4:29 pm

    “Its getting worn out … I thought the vagina dust was a bit dry … great on snags …”

    Usually the worms end up eating it, TB, when we are dead:

    “Thy beauty shall no more be found;
    Nor, in thy marble vault, shall sound
    My echoing song; then worms shall try
    That long-preserved virginity,
    And your quaint honour turn to dust,
    And into ashes all my lust;
    The grave’s a fine and private place,
    But none, I think, do there embrace.”

    But eat it on your snags if you must 🙂

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2020 4:31 pm

    What has this country become … ?

    Australian companies are selling weapons and military technology to countries around the world accused of war crimes, but the Australian government has refused to say what weapons are being sent overseas and to whom.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/14/blanket-secrecy-surrounds-australian-weapons-sales-to-countries-accused-of-war-crimes

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2020 4:50 pm

    NAY Splatter … i’ dun’t end wi’ wurms, lad … read on …

    Ilkla Moor Baht ‘at

    Wheear ‘ast tha bin sin’ ah saw thee, ah saw thee?

    On Ilkla Mooar baht ‘at

    Wheear ‘ast tha bin sin’ ah saw thee, ah saw thee?
    Wheear ‘ast tha bin sin’ ah saw thee?

    On Ilkla Mooar baht ‘at
    On Ilkla Mooar baht ‘at
    On Ilkla Mooar baht ‘at

    Tha’s been a cooartin’ Mary Jane

    Tha’s bahn’ to catch thy deeath o’ cowd

    Then us’ll ha’ to bury thee

    Then t’worms’ll come an’ eyt thee oop

    Then t’ducks’ll come an’ eyt up t’worms

    Then us’ll go an’ eyt up t’ducks

    Then us’ll all ha’ etten thee

    That’s wheear we get us ooan back

    Transaltion …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Ilkla_Moor_Baht_%27at

  241. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 14, 2020 5:19 pm

    TB believes in re-incarnation? I’ll be looking for a good duck dinner when you’ve gone!

  242. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 14, 2020 5:24 pm

    It seemed easy enough for the mad mullahs to round up a crowd for a funeral. But the real issue is that with enough brave people stand up against the murder of demonstrators, like this woman, the rotten rogue regime may crumble and fall. I’m sure Obama will weep bitter tears for the murderous terrorist bastards he did so much to empower.

  243. Tony permalink
    January 14, 2020 6:54 pm

    I’ve got no idea what thread to even put this on so I’ll just pretend this is an open thread.

  244. Tony permalink
    January 14, 2020 7:17 pm

    This seems to cross over two threads. But since this one is hot I’ll leave it here.

  245. Tony permalink
    January 14, 2020 7:23 pm

    So the royal family are literally Nazis then?

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2020 8:26 pm

    TB believes in re-incarnation? I’ll be looking for a good duck dinner when you’ve gone!

    TB wears a hat … will probably never go up on Ilkley Moor again …

    I’m quite tender too …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I apologize for lying to you on TV for 13 years.

    ‘Tis shame we don’t have the same honesty here …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’ve got no idea what thread to even put this on so I’ll just pretend this is an open thread.

    Chuckle!

    It’s been 26 days since House Democrats impeached the President claiming “urgency.”

    There is a good reason for that! It’s called witness tampering …

    But watching the left fawn over him while cancelling others for far less is

    The “left”* … Jesus Christ … The Firm is pampered by the fkn right! Have you ever seen the Libs with “royalty” … especially Menzies.

    Please explain?

    *Ya mean those Communist bastards from the left! Libraries are free … and Google too … but you need to ask the right left (LOL!) questions …

    I am reminded of young Queen Elizabeth II practicing the Nazi salute for Mr Hitler.

    Was she actually “practising” or just being a 12 year old – context – Elizabeth served in the ATS (as did my Mum) …

    Tatty comment … and ya think I would defend ’em?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

  247. Tony permalink
    January 14, 2020 8:48 pm

    I’m sorry, did you say something? 🥱

  248. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2020 8:51 pm

    Speaking of tatty… fucking lerfties!

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/vic/2020/01/14/nazi-flag-house-victoria/

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2020 8:52 pm

    I like lerfties OK?

  250. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2020 8:53 pm

    Good to see ToSY apologising … 🙂

  251. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 15, 2020 12:32 am

    Dangers of a Twitter mob pile-on: The tragic outcome of the ‘cancelling’ of Wilson Gavin

    The left won’t see it as bullying leading to suicide, it’s the wrong political orientation

    https://www.news.com.au/national/dangers-of-a-twitter-mob-pileon-the-tragic-outcome-of-the-cancelling-of-wilson-gavin/news-story/50d3f7d84e2df6b2c8fe5a64af4de8e4

  252. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2020 7:14 am

    I see murdor has decided the reason for his death. Did they bother to check if he even had a twitter account.

    I mean, just perhaps he reflected on his life choices of being a gay man hanging out with a group of homophobes?

    And did murdor reflect on the effect of spilling someones worst life details, without context, simply for asking a question on a television show where people …. ask questions?

  253. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2020 7:19 am

  254. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2020 8:21 am

    The hypocrisy reeks.

    Also, do they think that they might find evidence before finding blame.

    Oh right, forget the ‘news’ organisation that we were talking about.

  255. January 15, 2020 8:44 am

    “The left won’t see it as bullying leading to suicide, it’s the wrong political orientation.”

    Good to see you taking up the charge against bullying YoM.

    Care to remind us of the political orientation of the Federal Govt that abolished the Safe Schools anti-bullying program, and the orientation of the Victorian State Govt reinstated it with their own funding..?

    Yeah, didn’t think so. It doesn’t suit your narrative.

  256. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 15, 2020 9:00 am

    Yeah, suicide immediately after being viciously attacked is probably just a coincidence.

    I wonder whether those trolls that attacked him have reflected on their behaviour, or whether they also just see it as a coincidence, and nothing to do with them

  257. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2020 9:05 am

    I wonder whether those trolls that attacked him

    Just out of curiosity,

    LINK!

  258. January 15, 2020 9:10 am

    Yeah, just avoid the question and maintain your usual line of bullshit.

    To be clear. It was the right-wing Federal LNP Govt that abolished the Safe Schools anti-bullying program and the left-wing Labor Govt in VIC that reinstated it.

    But you already knew that, so either put up or just fuck off.

    You’re rapidly just becoming another “Neil”, tbh.

  259. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2020 9:14 am

    It was the right-wing Federal LNP Govt that this kid was a part of. Imagine the self loathing required to hang out with a group of people who actively marginalize your very identity.

  260. January 15, 2020 9:19 am

    “Imagine the self loathing required to hang out with a group of people who actively marginalize your very identity.”

    It’s called internalised homophobia. Which leads many to contemplate suicide or worse.

    But somehow, YoM thinks “the left” is to blame for this man’s death with no evidence whatsoever.

    Despite the fact that it was the right-wing side of politics that subjected the nation to the SSM poll and all the vitriol that went with that. Where was YoM with his anti-bullying crusade then….??

  261. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2020 9:23 am

    subjected the nation to the SSM poll and all the vitriol that went with that.

    And they were warned, as they were of many things, of the result of their actions.

    I didn’t see any articles in the papers about the grief caused by that ‘poll’

    I haven’t seen any articles about the grief their own ‘pile ons’ have caused people who question policies against their grain.

  262. January 15, 2020 9:27 am

    And I haven’t seen any articles expressing concern for the mental health of “Diamond” the young man who was subjected to the homophobic attack in this particular instance in the first place either.

  263. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2020 9:34 am

    Speaking of Diamond, this, from someone else reading at the event

    “To me, this incident transcends politics. It is about humanity, and about recognizing that everybody has it,” Johnny Valkyrie, one of the drag queens at the library event, said in an interview with The Washington Post. “I only wish I could tell him I love and support him.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/01/14/drag-protest-death/

    It’s interesting that, as that article also states,

    Online, Gavin defended himself and the action, saying it was part of the LNP’s fight against “politically correct rubbish.” But even LNP politicians distanced themselves from the demonstration.

    Would the condemnation from his chosen party not have effected him more. Also, it appears that ‘online’ indicates facebook, yet, it’s all about Twitter?

    But I guess the press have themselves a scapegoat, and that’s where it will end, instead of the root of the issue, whatever that may be.

  264. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2020 9:42 am

    $100 roasts next?

  265. January 15, 2020 9:45 am

    And Whallaya wiped off the map…!!!!

  266. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2020 11:03 am

    Canberra is still there …

  267. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 11:33 am

    Yeah! If only Scott Morrison had listened to The (ex)Fire Chiefs, prepared(?), updated the air-tankers, supported the fireys, and not gone to Hawaii, none of this would have happened.

  268. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 11:47 am

    Oh, that’s right, and ‘acted on climate change’.

  269. January 15, 2020 11:48 am

    Pretty much.

  270. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 15, 2020 11:48 am

    Yeah especially the extra air-tankers. An extra 4 would have put out the fires from the NT to Victoria.

  271. January 15, 2020 11:50 am

    Yeah! Because it’s better to do nothing, ignore the experts and the scientists who predicted all this and just go to Hawaii while all hell breaks loose and then blame The Greens, because you know “that’s real leadership.”

  272. January 15, 2020 11:51 am

    “An extra 4 would have put out the fires from the NT to Victoria.”

    If you say so, but I’m no expert.

  273. January 15, 2020 11:52 am

    Is it customary to now preface all comments with “Yeah!”…..?? Asking for a stupid cunt who seems to be doing it all the time lately..

  274. January 15, 2020 11:58 am

    Still a long way to go until we reach YoM’s disaster level….

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  275. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 11:59 am

    So if we un-repeal the emissions trading scheme, have more air tankers, give the RFS more money, and don’t take holidays, there’ll be no more bushfires.

    Brilliant!

  276. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2020 12:02 pm

    Yeah! If only Scott Morrison had listened to The (ex)Fire Chiefs, prepared(?), updated the air-tankers, supported the fireys, and not gone to Hawaii, none of this would have happened.

    Probably needs reposting for the slower ones

  277. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 12:14 pm

    If every country in the world went to zero man-made CO2 emissions tomorrow – or any time in the past for that matter – we’d still have bushfires. Forever.

  278. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2020 12:17 pm

    we’d still have bushfires

    They just wouldn’t be as severe or numerous.

    Fixed it for ya 😉

  279. January 15, 2020 12:18 pm

    “If every country in the world went to zero man-made CO2 emissions tomorrow – or any time in the past for that matter – we’d still have bushfires. Forever.”

    LINK….!!!

  280. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 12:33 pm

    LINK….!!!

    Angry!

    We had bushfires before humans influenced the climate, so it’s safe to assume we’ll continue to have them.

    Bushfires, although a part of the Australian landscape for millions of years, have a wrought a significant amount of damage, some far worse than others.

    https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/science-environment/2011/11/the-worst-bushfires-in-australias-history/

    .

  281. January 15, 2020 12:56 pm

    “Forever…?””

    Or as Tom R says – They just wouldn’t be as severe or numerous.

    It’s really not that hard to comprehend.

    Although some seem to struggle around these parts.

    OI…!

  282. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 12:59 pm

    “Forever…?””

    As long as there’s bush, there’ll be bushfires. Take it to the bank.

  283. January 15, 2020 1:13 pm

    Ok then.

  284. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 1:13 pm

    They just wouldn’t be as severe or numerous.

    Under climate change doctrine, fires are not going to get less severe or less numerous. The IPCC wants to halt further warming (keeping Earth’s temperature rise to 1.5 degrees C above pre-industrial levels), not reverse it, so the current climate is locked in.

    Good one ScoMo.

  285. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 3:24 pm

    As well as being prepared to fight fires after they start, how about increased efforts to mitigate their effects before they start?

    EXCLUSIVE: Inside the fatal decisions that fuelled the Victorian bushfires
    Bill O’Chee

    … The 2009 [Victorian, Black Saturday] bushfires led to a Royal Commission which examined the causes of the blazes and sought to make recommendations to prevent similar catastrophes occurring again. The Royal Commission made 67 recommendations, but repeatedly declared the guiding principle behind all of them was that “the protection of human life should always be the overriding objective.”

    Ten years later this clear principle has been so subverted such that protecting human life and property is just one of three objectives of Victorian Fire Management Plans, alongside “maintaining and enhancing ecosystem resilience” and “achieving other desired outcomes as identified by communities.”

    It should be obvious that any public official who attempts to “balance” these competing interests will of necessity make decisions which do not make protecting human life the overriding objective, and in so doing, they put people’s lives at risk. There seem reasonable grounds to suspect that some of the lives lost in Victoria might have been saved had this not been so.

    “Not scheduling burning in areas of long undisturbed vegetation is “utterly inappropriate.”

    This has catastrophic and fatal consequences.

    “Fuel load is the only metric that we humans can control and it is the most influential component in the fire making process. A doubling of fuel quantity raises the intensity of a fire by a factor of four,” [Dr Gary] Bacon [AM] explained.

    https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/01/we-ignored-royal-commissions-we-failed-to-put-people-first-death-and-destruction-has-followed/

  286. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2020 3:42 pm

    it’s circular, isn’t it, your argument fueled by bullshit

    There are two major restricting factors for carrying out prescribed burning. One is the availability of funds and personnel, and the second is the availability of weather windows.

    The 2018-19 annual report of the NSW Rural Fire Service says: “The ability of the NSW RFS and partner agencies to complete hazard reduction activities is highly weather dependent, with limited windows of opportunity. Prolonged drought conditions in 2018-19 adversely affected the ability of agencies to complete hazard reduction works.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/05/explainer-how-effective-is-bushfire-hazard-reduction-on-australias-fires

  287. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2020 3:44 pm

    from the bullshit

    What was apparent to me 25 years ago, and is more apparent now, is that emissions reductions are only part of the solution

    But they ARE part of the solution, and, if we can’t even get that right, we have no hope.

  288. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 4:01 pm

    ‘Explainer‘ by climate activist Graham Readfearn in a Green-left campaigning rag, or the recommendations of an actual Royal Commission. Let’s see, which one has the most ‘authority’?

  289. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 4:07 pm

    Here, educate yourself.

    Bushfire is an intrinsic part of Victoria’s landscape, and if time dims our memory we risk repeating the mistakes of the past. We need to learn from the experiences of Black Saturday and improve the way we prepare for and respond to bushfires.

    Click to access VBRC_Summary_PF.pdf

  290. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2020 4:08 pm

    or the recommendations of an actual Royal Commission

    So the “Not scheduling burning in areas of long undisturbed vegetation” vapid claim is from a royal commission is it?

  291. January 15, 2020 4:08 pm

    “or the recommendations of an actual Royal Commission”

    With its terms of reference dictated by the very government whose abject failure it will ostensibly be investigating.

    Yeah, that’ll be wide and far reaching without fear or favour….*

    *sarcasm alert

  292. January 15, 2020 4:10 pm

    “We need to learn from the experiences of Black Saturday and improve the way we prepare for and respond to bushfires.”

    And did we….?

    Or when the experts said “we really need to talk about this” we just said “nah, fuck it…How good is Hawaii this time of year…?””

  293. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 4:16 pm

    And did we….?

    No. That’s the point.

    Oh, and they didn’t mention climate change as a cause, or at all. And that was only 10 years ago.

  294. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 4:19 pm

    And that was under the Brumby Labor government.

  295. Tom R permalink
    January 15, 2020 4:22 pm

    or at all

    Oh ffs!

  296. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 4:32 pm

    Oh ffs!

    I know, right? How did they miss the most obvious cause of all. Stoopid terms of reference.

  297. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 4:50 pm

    Just kidding. They did mention climate change in passing. They ‘devoted’ about a page to it.

    You can find it near the end of this volume on page xvi:

    Click to access VBRC_Vol2_Introduction_PF.pdf

  298. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2020 5:01 pm

    EXCLUSIVE: Inside the fatal decisions that fuelled the Victorian bushfires
    Bill O’Chee

    … The 2009 [Victorian, Black Saturday] bushfires led to a Royal Commission which examined the causes of the blazes and sought to make recommendations …

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/nice-perks-if-you-can-get-yourself-elected-20090704-d8jk.html

    Perhaps Bill O’Chee et al (some of us remember Billy Chee) … could forego their “pensions” and gold cards and donate the savings to a National Fire Reduction Plan … buy a few bulldozers, a few water bombers. tucker for the troops, transport, safety gear, training, family support …

    Stoopid terms of reference.

    Now ya getting the idea*

    *sarc alert

    I thought we’d stopped doing that – just the * was enough?

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2020 5:02 pm

    This was me … worth repeating tho’ 🙂

    Perhaps Bill O’Chee et al (some of us remember Billy Chee) … could forego their “pensions” and gold cards and donate the savings to a National Fire Reduction Plan … buy a few bulldozers, a few water bombers. tucker for the troops, transport, safety gear, training, family support …

  300. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 5:16 pm

    Maybe he’s already donated to the cause. Some people do their giving quietly.

  301. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2020 6:19 pm

    Maybe he’s already donated to the cause.

    You obviously don’t remember Billy Chee … 🙂 😉 😉

  302. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2020 6:27 pm

    How to Stuff an Economy 101

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/kpmg-appointed-as-voluntary-administrators-as-jeanswest-collapses/news-story/d74736ec150448bc1a03dc19160cf758

    Drastically reduce, via government in/action, sources of disposable income for the majority of the population … eg wages and salaries, fixed income incremental increase … in favour of higher profits, repulsively high incomes for executives and low or zero company taxes …

  303. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 7:11 pm

    in favour of higher profits, repulsively high incomes for executives and low or zero company taxes …

    And Jeans West still went broke.

  304. January 15, 2020 7:15 pm

    Yeah! But why are the left upset about whatever mindless shit I might think up next!!

  305. January 15, 2020 7:23 pm

    “And Jeans West still went broke.”

    And so did meany restaurants despite being owned by celebrity chefs.

    If they can’t make money, what hope is there for non-celebrity owned cafes and restaurants?

    Maybe Gina is right. We should just pay people $2 an hour.

    That should fix it.

  306. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 7:33 pm

    Maybe Gina is right. We should just pay people $2 an hour.

    Where does she get these people who would work for $76 a week? I could use some to work around the house.

  307. January 15, 2020 7:38 pm

    457 visas…

    Illegal immigrants…

    What’s wrong with you – don’t you watch Border Security …??!!

  308. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2020 7:42 pm

    No, but I will now.

  309. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2020 7:48 pm

    And Jeans West still went broke.

    er yeah, another of my comments you obviously don’t understand …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    don’t you watch Border Security …??!!

    Two bizzy watchin’ dem boaats, mon … 😀

  310. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2020 7:55 pm

    These people are hopelessly fucking arrogant and obviously believe their own “untouchables”, propaganda …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/15/ndis-minister-claims-no-one-has-died-waiting-for-the-scheme-despite-agency-revealing-1279-deaths

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/15/coalition-gave-out-100m-election-grants-not-assessed-merit

    Incompetent shits couldn’t find a smell in Fart Factory!

    Who votes for these wankers … over and over again …

    My faith in people has nose dived over the last couple of decades … I’m expecting it to rise again soon – next election?

  311. January 15, 2020 7:59 pm

    I’m just going to post this as “my last word” on the so-called “climate change debate” as I really can’t be fucked arguing with people who can’t (or won’t) see what’s going on here…

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-14/bureau-of-meteorology-chart-shows-how-temperatures-soared/11857404?pfmredir=sm

  312. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2020 8:22 pm

    Yeah, but, the climate has always changed … 😉

    I’m currently reading, Fingerprints of the Gods* … 600 pages but very interesting … considering the present climate change “debate” … might be a tad difficult for some …

    Recommended by my “adopted” sixth grandchild* about to join the RAAF …

    *A mate’s son has a, B.Justice International Law … chose to be a re-fueller (ie a Warrant Officer) … he’s qualified to enlist as an officer … and a cool dude!

  313. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2020 8:34 pm

    “Every second that we spend talking about whether the climate is changing, is a second we are not spending on looking at adaptation, mitigation strategies,” she told ABC radio.

    What does this actually mean?

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/01/15/science-minister-tired-of-climate-debate/

  314. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 15, 2020 9:12 pm

    Dear Lefties

    The Science says the world is getting warmer? So what? It gets warmer in Summer and cooler in Winter. CO2 has nothing to do with that.

    There is NO Science which shows a direct link between increasing CO2 and the current increase in temperature. It is what computer modelling says. And as anyone who knows anything about computers GIGO.

  315. January 15, 2020 9:27 pm

    Oh, fuck off Neil…!

  316. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 15, 2020 9:38 pm

    Reb

    Sounds like you know something about computers? Apparently climate science is all computer modelling. As you know GIGO.

    Climate Science is not science

  317. January 15, 2020 9:48 pm

    “Reb Sounds like you know something about computers?

    No I don’t Neil.

    Go fuck yourself.

  318. January 15, 2020 9:49 pm

  319. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 15, 2020 9:52 pm

    OK then let me tell you. Climate Science is computer science.

    The powers that be put increasing CO2 into the computer program and it spits out the world will warm. Just basic physics.

    But that is NOT Science. The world is a complicated place

  320. January 15, 2020 9:55 pm

    “The world is a complicated place.”

    That hadn’t occurred to me before.

    How can I thank you.

  321. January 15, 2020 9:56 pm

  322. Tom R permalink
    January 16, 2020 8:26 am

    I feel sick just listening to him list a ‘breakfast’ reb lol

    How good is a Surplus? How many lives can it be measured in?

    Firefighters say they are becoming more traumatised on the frontline of the bushfire crisis knowing they could have saved more lives and homes had they been properly resourced.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/01/16/bushfire-royal-commission-firefighters-letter/

    And I know certain elements will cry ‘of course they want more’

    The fact is, they now have less, and we now have UNPRECEDENTED fires. This has cost lives. And the scope of cuts is also UNPRECEDENTED

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/16/coalitions-axing-of-of-funding-to-climate-change-adaptation-body-condemned?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=soc_568&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1579109909

    Not the first time the libs cutting services has resulted in lives lost either

    1,200 Australians die waiting for NDIS payments

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/16/coalitions-axing-of-of-funding-to-climate-change-adaptation-body-condemned?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=soc_568&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1579109909

  323. January 16, 2020 8:29 am

    “How good is a Surplus? How many lives can it be measured in?”

    Ask our resident expert YoM.

  324. Tom R permalink
    January 16, 2020 8:43 am

    Ask our resident expert YoM.

    Oh yea, have we crossed that threshold yet?

    I see the grubmint is lying about it’s great track record on emmissions. We are NOT going to meet the Paris conditions, and the only reason the libs can claim any reduction at all, is because of the mechanism they ripped up.

    Jotzo adds: “They are flabbergasted that Australia is digging in to its stance of getting an easier deal when it would so obviously be in its national interest to encourage strong global action.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/31/fact-checking-angus-taylor-does-australia-have-a-climate-change-record-to-be-proud-of?CMP=share_btn_tw

    But if you don’t believe any of them (of course elements won’t, it’s not printed in a paper long known for outright lying about things), why not one of the architects of the Paris agreement herself?

  325. Tom R permalink
    January 16, 2020 11:00 am

    ANOTHER brilliant takedown of our grubmints complete failure over this disaster, and an exposure of the pathetic lies they have attempted to foment in order to distract

    1/ THREAD ON OUR BUSHFIRES VIDEOS. It was clear in December that the bushfires in Australia weren’t only a profound human & environmental crisis – they also highlighted the tensions between politics, business, the media and science within the broader issue of climate change.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1216399114826584064.html

  326. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2020 12:24 pm

    How good is a Surplus? How many lives can it be measured in?

    You have just explained why Labor never runs surplus budgets and debt always exploded under Labor govts. There are an infinite number of causes that need funding. And sometimes govt is not the answer to every problem

  327. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2020 12:55 pm

    Is it just me … or have the fires died down here over night … ?

    Chuckle … talk about climate change …

    But you already knew that, so either put up or just fuck off.

    You’re rapidly just becoming another “Neil”, tbh.

    No I don’t Neil.

    Go fuck yourself.

    Oh, fuck off Neil…!

    Associated link …

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/15/putin-calls-for-constitution-changes-that-would-weaken-successor

  328. January 16, 2020 1:49 pm

    In my defence, my tolerance for fuckwittery is growing thin.

  329. Tony permalink
    January 16, 2020 1:51 pm

    Is it just me … or have the fires died down here over night … ?

    It’s probably just you. But it sounds like you want to stoke the flames of this once-hot topic. All right, I can stand the heat. Go ahead, I’ll match you. Here’s an idea for some kindling. Why don’t you point out where any of my comments on the topic are just smoke (and mirrors). It’ll be a chance for you to publicly extinguish me. If I disagree, however, I’ll fire back. As you would expect.🔥🔥🔥

  330. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2020 2:36 pm

    My comments about climate science are correct. Yes the world has been warming but nobody has shown any direct experimental link between CO2 and rising temperatures.

    Climate Science uses computers to tell what would happen to the worlds temperatures with rising carbon dioxide. It shows how arrogant climate scientists are that they think they can accurately model something as complicated as the weather. And using computers like this is a first. Most science uses experiments to prove a point.

  331. Tom R permalink
    January 16, 2020 2:44 pm

    A small sampling 😉


    Oh, and they didn’t mention climate change as a cause, or at all.

    ;cept you knew they did 😉

    Under climate change doctrine, fires are not going to get less severe or less numerous.

    Imagine, if you will, that we took meaningful action a decade ago, the fires would not have been as severe. Science (yuk) tells us (shows us) this is true

    As long as there’s bush, there’ll be bushfires. Take it to the bank.

    As you conveniently, again, ignore the fact that it’s the severity that’s the problem 😉

  332. Tony permalink
    January 16, 2020 2:51 pm

    n my defence, my tolerance for fuckwittery is growing thin.

    It’s not like Twitter, is it, where everyone agrees with everyone, and those who don’t get cancelled.

  333. Tony permalink
    January 16, 2020 2:57 pm

    ;cept you knew they did 😉

    I’m sure you can cite the relevant section then where they named it as a cause.

    Imagine, if you will, that we took meaningful action a decade ago

    A thought experiment? How quaint. But “we” didn’t. So, like I said, fires will not be less severe is less numerous.

    ignore the fact that it’s the severity that’s the problem 😉

    And, as I already pointed out, CO2 reductions aren’t going to make them any less severe. So why not try and manage the reality instead of dreaming of “what if we had”.

  334. Tom R permalink
    January 16, 2020 3:22 pm

    fires will not be less severe is less numerous.

    of course not, and if we don’t take action now, like we should have a decade ago, they will become worst. Is that what you want?

    And, as I already pointed out, CO2 reductions aren’t going to make them any less severe

    The scientists, you know, like the ones who so accurately predicted this one, tell us reducing co2 will make them less severe.

    Not less severe than they are now, no, we are already there (we didn’t need to be, as I mentioned), but it will help prevent them getting worst.

    But some people just want to watch the world burn 😦

  335. Tony permalink
    January 16, 2020 3:36 pm

    Not less severe than they are now, no, we are already there

    Oh, you’ve caught up. Good. By the way, we’ve warmed about one degree C since 1910. The IPCC ‘hopes’ to limit warming to 1.5 degrees. So there’s more to come. Probably much more than they hope if China and India continue down the (silk) roads they’re on. So things might get even worse before they stabilise. That’s why mitigation through more prescribed burns must be part of the ‘solution‘.

  336. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 16, 2020 3:38 pm

    In my defence, my tolerance for fuckwittery is growing thin.

    I feel exactly the same though threadbare rather than thin.

  337. Walrus permalink
    January 16, 2020 3:41 pm

    “During this 4,000 year period, there have been four warm periods, including today’s. In the previous warm periods, Medieval, Roman and Minoan, temperatures have been as high, or higher, than they are today, while atmospheric CO2 has remained essentially constant at around 280 ppm.

    This again supports the contention that CO2 is having little effect on temperatures rise.

    It’s possible to go back hundreds of thousands of years and still see that CO2 hasn’t seemed to affect temperatures………….””

  338. Tom R permalink
    January 16, 2020 4:12 pm

    So things might get even worse before they stabilise

    And if we follow your advice (ie, do nothing), then things will get a shitload worst before ‘stabilizing’

    We are supposed to be limiting the impact, but you just want to watch the world burn, as badly as it can seemingly

  339. Tony permalink
    January 16, 2020 4:19 pm

    And if we follow your advice (ie, do nothing)

    I never said that. Have a look but you won’t find it. I’ve been very careful about what I said.

    Which was: there is no climate policy Australia could have put in place ever that would have made a difference to these fires. I stand by that.

  340. Tony permalink
    January 16, 2020 4:22 pm

    but you just want to watch the world burn, as badly as it can seemingly

    You’re sounding a bit hysterical. Try arguing against what I say. I know it’s hard, but it’s the only way to have a real debate.

  341. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2020 4:35 pm

    The day Labor bans coal exports is the day I will believe the ALP believes in climate change and is willing to do something about it. Apparently coal has replaced iron ore as our biggest export

  342. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2020 4:42 pm

    But some people just want to watch the world burn 😦

    And Praise The Lord we know who they are! Craig and Christensen et al —= not forgetting The Mad Abbott of course …

    I’m beginning to think that’s part of problem its religious belief opposing science (as always)

    And then there’s End of Days to consider …

  343. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2020 4:47 pm

    TB

    Do you read my posts? Climate Science is not science. Scientists are using computers to model the weather. The world is warming but there is no evidence humans have anything to do with it.

    It gets warmer in summer and cooler in winter and CO2 has nothing to do with that. The current warming could be just cyclical like the seasons.

  344. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2020 4:54 pm

    Wally, I’ve seen that and similar graphic charts before … but the issue is far more complex than one chart …

    I found this article and its associated research links interesting reading

    Of course, modern global warming stems from a clear cause—rising levels of CO2 (and other greenhouse gases) from fossil fuel burning, cutting down forests and other human activities. And, in the past rising CO2 levels at the very least magnified global warming, ushering in the relatively balmy, stable climate sometimes called the “long summer” that has allowed human civilization to flourish. Humanity has now raised global CO2 levels by more than the rise from roughly 180 to 260 ppm at the end of the last ice age, albeit in a few hundred years rather than over more than a few thousand years. “The end of an ice age, you have a sense in your bones what that means: a big, significant change for the planet,” Shakun says. “It’s a tangible example of what rising CO2 can mean for the planet over the long-term.”

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-thawed-the-last-ice-age/

    And the book I’m reading at the moment Fingerprints of the Gods actually discusses the finding of what is now called the Milankovitch cycles based upon ancient myths from Egypt, Nordic, the Americas, Europe, Russia and a link to the Great Flood across the world … and “how did they all know” …

    Reminded me of von Daniken’s obsession at first but it is quite different … but based on scientific research in archeology, geology, geography, astronomy, climatology and cultural “history” …

  345. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2020 5:02 pm

    The day Labor bans coal exports is the day I will believe the ALP believes in climate change and is willing to do something about it. Apparently coal has replaced iron ore as our biggest export

    Yes and yes … but what about the LNP Party?

    Do you read my posts? Climate Science is not science. Scientists are using computers to model the weather. The world is warming but there is no evidence humans have anything to do with it.

    Not always … Yes it is … No they don’t – they model climate change – lots of historical data to do just that … Yes there is …

    Read this article and learn about CO2 and world population … read the article above AND the research papers to learn about greenhouse gases (including CO2) and how they helped to warm the planet after the last ice age …

    https://ourworldindata.org/co2-and-other-greenhouse-gas-emissions

  346. Tom R permalink
    January 16, 2020 5:14 pm

    ” I stand by that”

    And if you cannot accept that any positive change, no matter how small, makes a difference, then it’s obvious having a discussion with you is impossible

    Go back and look at the ww1 memes again and then try to think

  347. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2020 5:21 pm

    Starts with a falsehood and then I lost interest.

    Climate change is one of the world’s most pressing challenges. Human emissions of greenhouse gases – carbon dioxide (CO2), nitrous oxide, methane, and others – have increased global temperatures by around 1℃ since pre-industrial times.

    It is true global temperatures have increased by one degree and it is assumed but not proven it is due to CO2.

    I think it gets hotter in summer because our planet tilts and some areas are more directly exposed to the suns rays. It could be that the earth has moved slightly closer to the sun or for some reason the sun is putting out a little extra heat. That could also explain the extra warming

    There is science and there is science and climate science is low grade and untestable

  348. Tony permalink
    January 16, 2020 5:24 pm

    And if you cannot accept that any positive change, no matter how small, makes a difference, then it’s obvious having a discussion with you is impossible

    Lol. As supposed to being hysterical.

    All right. It would make a minuscule difference. How’s that?

    A 1.4% reduction (as per your Labor ETS link) in Australia’s 1.3% of global emissions is a reduction in global emissions of 0.0182%.

    Minuscule and imperceptible, which would have made no practical or measurable difference to these fires.

  349. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2020 5:38 pm

    Starts with a falsehood and then I lost interest.

    Me too … in any of your further comments …

  350. Tom R permalink
    January 16, 2020 5:41 pm

    It’s like pulling friggin teeth around here sometimes (he hysterically types painstakingly into his phone)

  351. Tom R permalink
    January 16, 2020 5:42 pm

    Lol tb

  352. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2020 5:48 pm

    TB

    There has been no link proven between rising temperatures and the increasing CO2 we are putting out. So your article started with a false statement.

  353. Tony permalink
    January 16, 2020 6:32 pm

    It’s like pulling friggin teeth around here sometimes

    Just in case you can’t get your head around how small a fraction 0.0182% is, here’s an “explainer”:

    Total global man-made CO2 emissions is 100% i.e. one hundred hundredths.

    Australia’s ‘contribution’ is 1.3% of the total i.e. one hundredth and three thousandths of the total.

    The global reduction if Australia “did its part” would be 0.0182% i.e. one ten-thousandth, 8 hundred-thousandths, and two millionths of the total.

    Like I said, minuscule and imperceptible.

    One percent is one hundredth.
    0.1 percent is one thousandth.
    0.01 percent is one ten-thousandth.

  354. ivi permalink
    January 16, 2020 7:00 pm

    (… and “how did they all know” …

    Who moved Hawaii?)

  355. Tony permalink
    January 16, 2020 7:03 pm

    Put another way, 0.0182% written as a fraction is 0.000182, or 182/1,000,000, or 182 millionths.

    Hope that clears things up.🤓

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2020 7:29 pm

    ToSY … I don’t know if you have any insurance … if you do, why?

  357. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2020 7:34 pm

    V … of all commenters here … you HAVE to read Fingerprints of the Gods (unless you have already) 😉

  358. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2020 8:01 pm

    Just got our power bill …

    $ -917.13 (incl. GST)

    House front faces due north … 1Kw Inverter + 3.5Kw inverter … 22 panels …

    Go fkn renewable!

  359. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2020 8:16 pm

    And if the subsidies were removed and solar panels had to stand on its own feet what would it cost? And how much would your system cost without subsidies? No way would you get your money back if you had to pay the full price. Plus apparently solar panels use toxic chemicals which are harmful to the environment and cause problems when they are disposed of. Plus they need to be cleaned to work at maximum efficiency using lots of water.

    Take away the subsidies and see what it costs. In NSW people with solar panels get a solar rebate costing everyone because the cost is added onto everyone’s power bills

  360. Tony permalink
    January 16, 2020 8:23 pm

    ToSY … I don’t know if you have any insurance … if you do, why?

    Oh look, a trick question.

    Yes, TB Queensland. I do insure against some events, and for others I self-insure. I tend to weigh the likelihood against the premium. Most people do, actually, whether they realise it or not. You can choose a higher excess and lower premium on car insurance if you are prepared to pay for minor damage yourself. A large proportion of younger people don’t have health insurance. Extended warranties are available on many consumer products. Some take them, some don’t.

    Why do you ask, as if I didn’t know. Something about the precautionary principle?

  361. January 16, 2020 9:10 pm

    “apparently solar panels use toxic chemicals which are harmful to the environment and cause problems when they are disposed of. Plus they need to be cleaned to work at maximum efficiency using lots of water.

    For the love of dog. 🙄

  362. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2020 9:35 pm

    Yes there are solar power stations producing electricity. One problem is dust falls on the panels reducing their efficiency. So they have to be cleaned using lots of water. Some of these solar power stations are located in arid environments where water is scarce. So the panels efficiency is reduced.

    But thanks for reading my posts. I suspect most people don’t. But I would really like to know what TBs solar system cost to build without govt subsidies. $20,000? $30,000? What was it?

  363. January 16, 2020 9:47 pm

    “But thanks for reading my posts. I suspect most people don’t. “

    That’s ok Neil.

  364. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2020 11:11 pm

    Why do you ask, as if I didn’t know.

    You knew why … and answered at some length …

    Thanks you, ToSY …

    What was it? $3,500 … and amortised over three years …

    Go renewable …

  365. Tony permalink
    January 17, 2020 7:49 am

    Thanks you, ToSY …

    That’s ok TB.

  366. Tom R permalink
    January 17, 2020 8:13 am

    Something about insurance hey? 😉

    Would this be why?

  367. January 17, 2020 8:51 am

    Good morning

    How good is the customer service at YoM’s favourite company…

    We received an email saying they’ve cancelled our upcoming flight and to call them on 13 13 13 to discuss our options.

    Last night we were on hold for over two hours before giving up.

    Then we tried their SMS service at around 9:00pm and received a text message back at 4.10am.

    From Mumbai no doubt.

    Their call centre opens at 8:00am, so we tried calling at 8:00am sharp and got “Thanks for calling Qantas, your current wait time is over two hours”…

    Yay! What great customer service….!!

  368. Tom R permalink
    January 17, 2020 9:06 am

    C’mon reb, there’s only one way you should fly

  369. Tony permalink
    January 17, 2020 9:21 am

    This may not be the end of the NBN, but it sure can’t help.

    Six Companies Create 5G Future Forum

    16/01/2020 5:19AM

    By Stephen Nakrosis

    A group of six telecommunications companies have come together to create the 5G Future Forum, which will work to develop interoperable 5G specifications across the globe.

    America Movil SAB de CV (AMX), Rogers Communications Inc. (RCI), KT Corp. (KT), Telstra Corp. Ltd. (TLSYY), Verizon Communications Inc. (VZ) and Vodafone Group PLC (VOD) are the charter members of the forum.

    The group said participants would work to “develop public and private marketplaces to enhance developer and customer access to 5G, and will share global best practices in technology deployment.”

    Daniel Hajj, chief executive of America Movil, said: “5G is a powerful unprecedented technology. Through this forum, we will create a common platform to enable a global ecosystem of applications to exploit 5G at its full potential, contributing to the transformation of our societies and economies and reaffirming customer satisfaction.”

    –Write to Stephen Nakrosis at stephen.nakrosis@wsj.com

    (END) Dow Jones Newswires

    January 15, 2020 13:19 ET (18:19 GMT)

    Copyright (c) 2020 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.

  370. Tony permalink
    January 17, 2020 10:03 am

    Sigh Tom R. Did you notice Optus’s name on the 5G Future Forum? Didn’t think so.

  371. Tom R permalink
    January 17, 2020 10:03 am

    Fantastic. Great move. Well done Angus 🙂

  372. Tom R permalink
    January 17, 2020 10:10 am

    sigh tosy, did you read that 5G and nbn are not direct competitors

    here goes another 5 days of explainin’ ta’ do 😦

  373. Tony permalink
    January 17, 2020 10:12 am

    did you read that 5G and nbn are not direct competitors

    Famous last words. Have you heard of spin?

  374. Tony permalink
    January 17, 2020 10:14 am

    A bit like how mobile phones and landlines aren’t direct competitors.

  375. Tom R permalink
    January 17, 2020 10:23 am

    A bit like how mobile phones and landlines aren’t direct competitors.

    Yea, nah.

    (hint) it’s called physics 😉

  376. Tony permalink
    January 17, 2020 10:24 am

    Albo at a press conference just now declared he doesn’t want to stop coal exports.

    I blame ScoMo.

  377. January 17, 2020 10:24 am

    What’s a landline?

  378. Tony permalink
    January 17, 2020 10:25 am

    (hint) it’s called physics 😉

    Fascinating.

  379. Tony permalink
    January 17, 2020 10:45 am

    What’s a landline?

    Exactly.

  380. Tom R permalink
    January 17, 2020 10:53 am

    Yet I will persevere 😉

    Wireless services are also costly from equipment and spectrum viewpoints — and with 5G needing a strong backbone of fibre to every mobile tower, NBN could in future potentially utilise its massive and still-growing fibre footprint to provide the backhaul that will be needed for 5G operators, Guillen suggested.

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/5g-will-complement-nbn-not-replace-it-nokia/

  381. TB Queensland permalink
    January 17, 2020 2:35 pm

    sigh tosy

    5G will not replace fibre/cable broadband … they are actually two quite different systems … read any gamer forum eg Steam … EA …

    Whats a landline????? I just moved from Telstra to Aussiebroadband … the landline is what you used to call the telephone line … and connects to the router …

    … thanks to Telstra I no longer have a landline* and rely on two mobile phones in the house … that I can still connect to my DECT telephone system via Bluetooth

    Who disconnected our number* after being told we were moving … and being told it was being transferred … just a bunch of incompetent dicks!

    *a number we had for over 30 years …

  382. February 8, 2020 9:15 am

    What a surprise huh, hillbilly`s on tractors received the global cooling they spent the last forty years voting for.

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