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The World’s Worst Wines!

January 24, 2020

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Much has been written about the distinctive qualities of fine wines and I for one, have often found the views of refined connoisseurs beneficial in experimenting with new wines I may have otherwise overlooked.

However, in these budget-conscious times, few of us can afford to indulge in wines that command a hefty price tag on a regular basis, particularly those amongst us who may be euphemistically considered “red-wine enthusiasts,” or perhaps more accurately; borderline (or not so borderline) alcoholics.

Being a fully paid up member of the club means I’m typically relegated to wines in the $15-$20 price bracket however even here, a convivial weekend of drinking can easily blow the budget. Venturing below the $12 threshold is not for the fainthearted so for the benefit of those who may find themselves in this unfortunate predicament here is a list of the Worst Wines in the World in no particular order.

These are the wines that even when desperation calls – like those times when you’re scrambling around the kitchen at two in the morning searching for a bottle of red – should be avoided at all costs.

Worst Wine in the World No. 10 

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Yellow Tail Shiraz, Australia ($11.99)

This wine, like their others, comes from Casella Wines in South Eastern Australia, and according to the label, the Casella family has been inflicting their wines on the public for three generations.

However, these aren’t really “wines” in the traditional sense (think strawberry jam combined with paint thinner). The nicest thing I can say about this wine is the colour. It has a nice deep plum colour as it fills the glass.

The aroma however, is arresting upon first sniff. I picked up scents of stale locker room, unwashed laundry and a sort of damp mould.

Upon tasting Yellow Tail Shiraz, there is an immediate and harsh bitterness to the flavour.  It lacks any red or black fruits and evolves into a kind of burnt toast taste just prior to the alcohol-laden tannins mercifully blunting the palate.

While that may sound interesting, there is distinctive “chemical quality” to the aroma I didn’t like.  It’s very pronounced and overwhelming as you try to taste the wine. Not too dissimilar to liquid amonia which, like this wine, could kill you if ingested inadvertently.

It might go well at a casual barbeque with friends, should you find yourself in need of something to extinguish errant flames.

Worst Wine in the World No. 9 

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Lindemans Bin 45 Cabernet Sauvignon, Australia ($5.99)

I purchased this abomination at a suburban Vietnamese restaurant last month.  The whole bottle cost $16 at the restaurant!  This should have been a massive red flag as no decent bottle of red wine served at any restaurant worth its salt should cost less than $30.

The aroma is fairly powerful.  After pouring, I noticed it from a good six feet or so away from the glass. Up close you get more of an insipid raspberry aroma and a rather unpleasant overpowering sting of alcohol in the nose.  A fresh swirl of the wine in the glass seemed to release more “sting” making it both odious and undrinkable.

I took a sip and thought my tongue was going to fall off.  I tried washing down half a glass with a Corona chaser, but even that wouldn’t kill the taste.

The wine finishes long with a continuing bitterness and an aftertaste that’s difficult to describe let alone erase.  It’s an experience I don’t care to repeat. Needless to say, I didn’t like it.

Worst Wine in the World No. 8 

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Penfolds Rawson’s Retreat Shiraz Cabernet, Australia ($7.99)

The Penfolds brand is synonymous with quality. Except when it’s not, which is where Penfolds Rawson’s Retreat comes in.  The label looks innocent enough, with the distinctive Penfolds brand that adorns more palatable alternatives. However, looks can be deceiving. One can only assume Penfolds created this monstrosity as some kind of sick joke. By the appearance of the bottle, you’d even presume it was drinkable.  But it’s not. It’s fucking awful.

Worst Wine in the World No. 7

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Merlot (any Merlot, basically)

Merlot is the beige of the wine world, the sensible shoes or the unimaginative little black dress that goes with any occasion.

For this reason it’s often a safe bet for people who don’t actually like or drink wine. It’s deliberately intended to be innocuous and unassuming, but as such, suffers the fate as Pinot Grigio in that it’s both bland and tasteless.

Why it even exists is beyond me. Merlot should be banned. Or at the very least, shouldn’t be called “wine.”

It’s a watered-down, embarrassing, flavourless waste of time and consumption. It’s a missed opportunity to enjoy something better.  Like going to a steakhouse and ordering a salad.

Merlot drinkers don’t deserve any respect.  They’re amateurs.

Worst Wine in the World No. 6 

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Whispers Strawberry Spumante, Australia ($4.99)

Australians love a celebration and what better way to celebrate that special occasion with a few friends than to pop the cork on perfectly chilled bottle of Krug, Bollinger or Veuve Clicquot.

However things being as they are, the price tag of your typical classic French Champagne is often out of reach for the average Australian consumer. Recognising the opportunity to meet a particular segment of society at a price point they can afford, the people behind the ‘Whispers’ range of sparkling wines have come up with this muck they call “Strawberry Spumante”.

If the manufacturers of crystal methamphetamine ever decided to enter the liquor market with a product targeting teenage girls who either a) had a death wish, or b) just wanted to experience temporary oblivion with a sugary-sweet drink that tastes both medicinal and deadly at the same time, I imagine they’d come up with something like “Whispers Strawberry Spumante.”

Hints of strawberry cordial give way to notes of battery acid and nail varnish remover on the finish.

This stuff is so fucking bad, the last time I drank it (okay, lots of it) I woke up under a shrub in the front yard and spent the next 24 hours spewing up pink bile in the shower.

Worst Wine in the World No. 5 

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Vang Dalat Red, Vietnam

No review of the Worst Wines in the World would be complete without an honourable mention of Vang Dalat – the household table wine of Vietnam available in both “white” and “red” varietals.

Both the red and white wines are best served chilled, although the actual manufacturing process and the ingredients remain a mystery. According to the label, the red wine consists of “grape wine cut with fermented mulberry juice,” so essentially a fairly strong concoction of rotten fruit, which is exactly how it tastes, but worse.

The aroma can best be described as ‘volatile.’ I recoiled and nearly fell of my chair when I first took a sniff, but if you serve it extra cold, it can quell the odour to some extent.

When you taste it, it’s bitter — and also kind of tart. I wouldn’t go as far as to say acrid, but it’s something that’s difficult to describe let alone comprehend.

Looking at the colour, there are signs of degradation, which can happen when wine is stored at the wrong temperature. Given that it’s from Vietnam, it’s fair to say it’s probably been exposed to temperatures and humidity that would destroy even the most robust of reds.

Also being from Vietnam, this doesn’t stop anyone from selling it. It’s not horrible, it’s just peculiar. Like eating an oyster of questionable origin and then wondering whether you’ll survive to tell the tale.

Vang Dalat is best opened and consumed immediately, as the longer you leave it sitting there the worse it gets. Which isn’t really sensible let alone advisable, as you’ll probably just end up vomiting profusely. As I did, after gagging back a bottle on a train trip from Saigon to Hanoi.

Worst Wine in the World No. 4 

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Anything from the Gossips range, Australia ($3.99)

I’m not sure who’s behind the Gossips range of budget-priced wines but whoever they are they should be rounded up and shot and their vineyards burned to the ground.  This stuff is revolting!

Merlot, Chardonnay, Shiraz — it doesn’t matter.  They all taste uniformly horrible.  Some time ago, I made the gross miscalculation of purchasing something called the “Gossips’ Special Reserve,” which was priced at an outlandish $7.99 — double the cost of the standard Gossips red wine!

It was undrinkable.  That experience made me wonder — if the premium wine costs twice as much and yet tastes so awful, how bad must the cheaper stuff be?

Serve it to someone you hate.

Worst Wine in the World No. 3

Lindemans P

Lindemans Porphyry Blanc, Australia ($4.99)

It sounds like a chemistry experiment that’s gone horribly wrong, and oddly enough that’s exactly how it tastes, but nevertheless they decided to bottle it and sell it anyway.

Loosely classed as “wine” but more closely resembles some sort of cheap apple cider that’s been left out in the sun. When people talk about wine smelling like paint thinner, they’re probably talking about this one.

It tastes like Glen 20 disinfectant spray smells;  as if someone tried to fix a bad wine by Febreze-ing it.

A kind of cavity-inducing sweetness with no redeeming flavour, save for the metallic undertaste of mediocrity. Like sour peach gummies mixed with kitchen waste.

Basically, a migraine waiting to happen. Unsurprisingly I find it hard to recommend.

Worst Wine in the World No. 2

Blue Nun

Blue Nun Rivaner, Germany ($12.99)

Once considered one of Germany’s most successful exports, Blue Nun gained a huge following in the 1970’s and 1980’s when the aspirational working classes in the UK and far off antipodes figured it would perhaps be considered ‘more sophisticated’ if they consumed wine from something other than a goon bag.

While this idea was a good one, particularly when drinking with friends, why they settled on this sickly white wine from Germany is anyone’s guess. Maybe it was the wistful image of the Blue Nun on the label, gazing off into the distance seemingly longing for a forgotten time when Germany once produced better wines.

Most German wine is undrinkable. But this white wine is so bad it could almost be from Italy.  But even in Italy they know how to package their wine in raffia encased bottles so that when you invariably tip it down the sink after one or two glasses, you still have an attractive candle holder afterwards.

That’s clever marketing. Even if they are still selling poison.

Worst Wine in the World No. 1

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Mogen David Blackberry, USA  (3 Litre bottle $15.99)

Any wine that comes in a three litre flagon with a pop cap is an abomination and perhaps the worst culprit of all is this liquid atrocity called “Mogen David Blackberry.”

If you’ve ever thought about killing yourself but lacked the means, a bottle of Mogen David would probably be a good place to start.

I drank this wine alone, which admittedly was a mistake, but at least I didn’t put anyone else’s life at risk. I was contemplating suicide after just two glasses.

To be honest, I don’t know who the fuck “Mogen David” is, or even know if such a person exists, but one thing’s for sure –  he is to wine what Sammy J is to comedy. [Not funny].

It’s shit. In bulk.

Disclaimer: Our legal department suggested we add a disclaimer to say that some of the wines above may have been corked or suffered some other adversity that may have affected their taste beyond the winemaker’s control after it left their warehouse or distribution centre, so here it is.

451 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom R permalink
    January 24, 2020 3:06 pm

    Wine is Fine
    But Whiskey’s Quicker

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 24, 2020 4:11 pm

    I was at a party once and a woman said (about a Rosemount Chardonnay) – this cuts the phlegm off the back of your throat!

    A great review of a particularly ordinary wine and let that be a lesson to those that bother to drink Chardonnay.

  3. Tony permalink
    January 24, 2020 4:21 pm

    Nice article reb. I’m just worried TB and Neil will use it as a shopping list.

  4. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 24, 2020 4:27 pm

    Is Precious Earth from Aldi at $2.83 on the list? If not why not?

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    January 24, 2020 5:45 pm

    I knew Bowler’s Run would not be considered at all …

    I detect a certain bias tho’ re: No 7?

    Have you actually tasted these wines,reb? (I mean the Vietnamese one!! Dog knows what its made out of … or maybe it does?)

    I’m just worried TB and Neil will use it as a shopping list.

    Thank you for your concern, TosY …

    I actually bust last months budget wide open with Mumm Cordon Rouge @ $42 @ Uncle Dan’s … bargin! (Had to restock after The Ministers milestone birfday! Thirsty buggers our family and friends …)

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    January 24, 2020 5:48 pm

    Is Precious Earth from Aldi

    Neil moi precious … It is not from Aldi … it is from our Lord God Almighty … ask any Christian, Jew, or Muslim they all agree*

  7. January 24, 2020 7:15 pm

    “Have you actually tasted these wines,reb? (I mean the Vietnamese one!!)”

    Yes TB, as matter of fact I have…!

    Dalat is pretty much the only red wine you can buy anywhere in Vietnam and it’s as god awful as it sounds. It can only be drank from the fridge and even then it’s a struggle.

    You really have to be determined to give it a go, and there really is nothing positive one can say about it, other than “it didn’t kill me,” which is a bit like Peter Dutton’s wife saying “he’s not a monster.”

    If you know what I mean…

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    January 24, 2020 7:44 pm

    If you know what I mean…

    I do! Our trip to Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Thailand put me off original Asian food for the rest of my life (Australian – Asian is different/better – it doesn’t put me in digestion hell)

    Or were you referring to Potato Heads wife? Who I don’t know but feel extremely sad for ….

    BTW … have you been to Greece and tasted sipped carefully .. retsina? Closely related to kerosene? If in Greece – BUY IMPORTED WINES or BEER!

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    January 24, 2020 7:45 pm

    WordPress pisses me off too …

  10. January 24, 2020 8:10 pm

    “Our trip to Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Thailand put me off original Asian food for the rest of my life.

    Uh, ok. You do realise where “Asian food” comes from right………? 🙄

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 24, 2020 8:26 pm

    I spent quite a long time in Greece and retsina is an acquired taste.

    After the first gallon it’s great!

    I’m back on the coast after a few days in town, and the coast is more relaxing. I’ve just had an early meal at a cafe on beach. Tonight they had an Argentinian barbecue, and it’s byo.

    I took a quaffer, a 2009 bin 389. Very pleasant.

  12. Tony permalink
    January 24, 2020 9:11 pm

    I took a quaffer, a 2009 bin 389.

    A quaffer!😂🤣🤣

  13. January 24, 2020 9:14 pm

    That’s a quaffer as far as the “Toorak crowd” is concerned ToSY…

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 24, 2020 9:59 pm

    A couple of years ago we had our neighbours over for dinner with some other friends.

    They brought a bottle of Yellowtail Shiraz.

    We haven’t invited them again.

    …and another thing… I like byo restaurants because I don’t want to pay $55 a bottle for something that is called Penfolds Cellar Reserve, but is really just rebadged Rawson’s Retreat

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    January 24, 2020 11:17 pm

    Uh, ok. You do realise where “Asian food” comes from right………? 🙄

    I did say “original Asian” didn’t I?

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 25, 2020 2:54 pm

    TB, I don’t know that many are denying a link between emissions/climate change and bushfires.

    The question is whether there is an emissions policy that Australia can adopt that will mitigate the likelihood of fires.

    Do you think Australia can adopt a policy that would have this effect?

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    January 25, 2020 3:33 pm

    ToM, this is a comment I made in early January at the Guardian …

    Its not a policy … more of a concept …

    2 Jan 2020 06:41

    Time we had an Australian Federal Fire & Rescue Brigade … we have an Australian Federal Police force …

    And who better to be employed than our ex-servicemen and women looking for work … and ex-mining personnel … who have the skills, knowledge and experience working in teams, in the bush, hierarchical structures, equipment operation from heavy to light, equipment servicing … the list goes on …

    Of course the RFS would/shoul/could be part of the process – just as our ADF Reserves are with the Regs …

    And supported by a First Peoples’ Country Advisory Organisation …

    All we need is leadership from Canberra … oh, bugger!

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 25, 2020 3:59 pm

    There are various ways of delivering emergency services.

    I don’t have a particular view, although I notice that much of the previous criticism of volunteer firefighters has abated.

    But you posted a link outlining the link between emissions/climate change and bushfires. I’d like to know whether you think the is a domestic carbon reduction policy that could make a difference to the risk of bushfires.

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    January 25, 2020 4:15 pm

    I take it that your question means you don’t think there is one?

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 25, 2020 5:24 pm

    One what? A domestic policy about carbon reduction that can reduce the risk of bushfires?

    No I don’t think that’s possible even if we reduced emissions to zero.

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    January 25, 2020 8:09 pm

    Just what we need …

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/coronavirus-scare-at-sydney-airport-overnight/news-story/e21650d90355555b9ae1407acb14ee6e

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    A domestic policy about carbon reduction that can reduce the risk of bushfires? No I don’t think that’s possible even if we reduced emissions to zero.

    Neither do I (and reducing them to zero would be worse!) … one word … domestic stopped your question in its tracks – I knew where that would lead … and bush fires will continue … its a natural process – many plants and trees rely on fire to propogate.

    Around the world, not just here, reduction burning is a common regeneration and fire prevention method … as a kid in north England we used to go “tadgin’ ” burning off the fields … officially carried out on the moors too … in PNG they burn off just before Xmas … smoke is awful …

    However, tackling climate change is a bit like the virus above … contraire to the WHO I believe it IS a global epidemic … its crossed borders … and oceans … just because China has more should we do nothing?

    What would I suggest … promote manufacture of solar systems, wind-farms, storage systems, hydrogen production and storage … EV’s and hydrogen vehicles (my favoured) the opportunities are right in front of us! But all anyone thinks about is coal! And we need a national network of charging stations …

    “Tis not hard … horses came before cars … do you ride a horse to work? Know any blacksmiths?

    Change is the most difficult emotional/psychological challenge for most people … the norm is the norm and comfortable – well it isn’t anymore … the only thing that NEVER changes is – change itself …

    We have to change … get ahead of the pack … stop catching up …

    And I can’t offer you a national policy … that’s what we pay the “experts” for …

    Thanks for asking … flattering to say the least … 🙂

    Have a great Australia Day … Advance Australia – We Are One!

  22. January 26, 2020 8:36 am

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  23. ivi permalink
    January 26, 2020 10:27 am

    (Resistance Is Futile)

  24. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 26, 2020 11:01 am

    I think 26 Jan is divisive these days, so a new national day need to be established.
    Really 26 Jan represents the British settlement of Sydney, it doesn’t mean much to the rest of the country.

    But I have no particular views on an alternative day. Perhaps 1 January – the date of federation.

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 26, 2020 12:16 pm

    Here’s my suggested date- 29 March, the date of the first national election.

  26. January 26, 2020 5:57 pm

    Here’s a thought, how about we ask Aboriginal Australians what they’d like rather than us just whiteguessing what it should be..

  27. Tony permalink
    January 26, 2020 6:34 pm

    85% of Australians overall have the wrong opinion about changing the date, according to “a McNair yellowSquares national poll of 1,156 people conducted exclusively for Guardian Australia”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/26/most-indigenous-australians-want-date-and-name-of-australia-day-changed-poll-finds

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 26, 2020 6:45 pm

    How about the various options are put to a plebiscite. I don’t think it’s a question exclusively for indigenous people.

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2020 8:30 pm

    … how about we ask Aboriginal Australians what they’d like rather than us just whiteguessing what it should be..

    Yep …

    I don’t think it’s a question exclusively for indigenous people.

    Yep …

    Eureka Stockade … white and blacks were pissed off at the government then!

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 26, 2020 8:45 pm

    Rebellion against an undemocratic government is understandable. That’s not the case with a democratic government.

  31. January 26, 2020 9:55 pm

    I was at a dinner party last night and someone handed me a glass of Pinot Grigio.

    It was undrinkable.

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 26, 2020 10:25 pm

    Do you have the vivino app? It’s handy but can be very discourteous.

    You take a photo of the wine label and it gives the price and the rating.

    I took a bottle to a friend’s house and he took the photo of my wine!

    Rather rude, I think

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2020 11:23 pm

    Rather rude, I think

    I reckon he found out how much it cost … hehe 🙂

  34. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2020 6:06 am

    although I notice that much of the previous criticism of volunteer firefighters has abated.
    ???

    The question is whether there is an emissions policy that Australia can adopt that will mitigate the likelihood of fires.

    Try a thing called a Carbon Tax Price 😉

  35. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2020 6:20 am

    I guess the NY Times is off tosy’s read list too 😦

  36. Tony permalink
    January 27, 2020 8:35 am

    Let’s say there are multiple causes of bushfires, including climate change making conditions hotter and drier. Which policy is most likely to have any short to medium term effect on the likelihood and intensity of bushfires – emissions reduction or fuel reduction?

    We know the IPCC is hoping to limit warming to 1.5 degrees. So far we’re at 1 degree. The temperatures still have some warming left even if all countries meet their targets. World-wide emissions reductions might eventually stop conditions getting worse. Hazard reduction can address fuel loads right now.

    It is dishonest and dangerous to suggest climate policy alone will solve bushfires, and that hazard reduction doesn’t work. Those comments are stupid and politically motivated. ScoMo derangement on full display.

  37. January 27, 2020 8:54 am

    “Do you have the vivino app? It’s handy but can be very discourteous.”

    I’ve used it in the past, but find it can spoil the “adventure” of trying something new.

    But I can appreciate its usefulness.

    Especially if TB was gifting me was some wine.

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 27, 2020 10:59 am

    It might be useful to try on some of TB’s wine, but I’m not sure it scans casks.

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2020 12:07 pm

    Especially if TB was gifting me was some wine.

    WTF would I gift you wine … ??????

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I suppose casks are a bit big for iphones …

  40. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2020 1:55 pm

    It is dishonest and dangerous to suggest climate policy alone will solve bushfires, and that hazard reduction doesn’t work.

    It is dishonest and dangerous to suggest anybody is claiming that. But, that’s the only ‘argument’ you have left, misrepresentation.

    I love how it’s gone from wtte ‘abatement won’t have any effect’ to ‘most likely to have any short to medium term effect on the likelihood and intensity of bushfires’

    Although, the science is still out on that one too. As we have seen, the number of burnoffs has increased, but the downside of burnoffs is, the regrowth fostered by burnoffs adds much more fuel than leaving it does. Seems authorities are still grasping with that one.

    Seems the best answer is the one I supplied above 😉

  41. January 27, 2020 2:24 pm

    “It is dishonest and dangerous to suggest anybody is claiming that. But, that’s the only ‘argument’ you have left, misrepresentation.”

    Yep. I’m pretty tired of seeing it pop up here and elsewhere. But like you say, that seems to be all they’ve got.

  42. Tony permalink
    January 27, 2020 2:36 pm

    It is dishonest and dangerous to suggest anybody is claiming that. But, that’s the only ‘argument’ you have left, misrepresentation.

    Did you even read the NYT article the tweet was quoting? That’s exactly what ‘novelist’ Richard Flanagan is saying. For example:

    Today Australia has only one realistic chance to, you know, survive: Join other countries like those Pacific nations whose very future is now in question and seek to become an international leader in fighting for far stronger global action on climate change. But to do that it would first have to take decisive action domestically.

    If Mr. Morrison’s government genuinely believed the science, it would immediately put a price on carbon, declare a moratorium on all new fossil fuel projects and transfer the fossil fuel subsidies to the renewables industries. It would go to the next round of global climate talks in Glasgow in November allied with other nations on the front line of this crisis and argue for quicker and deeper cuts to carbon emissions around the world. Anything less is to collaborate in the destruction of a country.

  43. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2020 2:53 pm

    Does he say that putting a price on Carbon will ‘solve’ bushfires tosy? Perhaps quote that bit, if you can find it.

    What it does say, it’s the one way know of to stop making it worse (apart from perhaps to stop claiming we are a nation of arsonists)

  44. Tony permalink
    January 27, 2020 3:10 pm

    Does he say that putting a price on Carbon will ‘solve’ bushfires tosy?

    Yes. It’s in the tweet you posted. He’s saying emissions reductions are more important than hazard reduction, and doesn’t mention any other possible way to address bushfires. So his answer is, yes, “putting a price on Carbon”.

    After some weeks of being widely criticized for his incompetent and emotionally stunted response to the fires, Mr. Morrison is now implausibly arguing that hazard-reduction burns are more important than emissions reductions in dealing with bush fires, even though eminent scientists and fire chiefs have repeatedly said this is untrue.

  45. Tony permalink
    January 27, 2020 3:32 pm

    Anyhow, it’s pleasing to note that nobody here now thinks climate policy can solve bushfires. The same can’t be said for Twitter.

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 27, 2020 3:37 pm

    Almost 70% of global emissions are from the top 10. I’d be interested in which of the top 10 might be persuaded by Australia’s leadership.

    USA? China? Russia? Saudi Arabia? …

  47. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2020 5:32 pm

    Tosy, he said carbon pricing was more important.

    Your claim was abatement alone would ‘solve’ bushfires

    Bushfires are with us. They always will be, nothing will ‘solve’ them.

    But you want to stop them getting worse, abatement is the only real answer. Even the experts agree (have we been here before?)

    Stop pretending when people say it’s the most important solution that it’s the ONLY solution. It’s not what they are saying

  48. Tony permalink
    January 27, 2020 5:45 pm

    Your claim was abatement alone would ‘solve’ bushfires

    Oh really? Care to point out where I said that. Ever.

    (Hint: I’ve been extremely careful what I’ve said on this topic. But go right ahead, it shouldn’t be too hard – if you’re not just making shit up.)

  49. Tony permalink
    January 27, 2020 5:55 pm

    Stop pretending when people say it’s the most important solution that it’s the ONLY solution. It’s not what they are saying

    Thank fuck you can read their minds because they never say that. In fact some of your previously linked “experts” have said hazard reduction doesn’t work. What does that leave them as a solution?

    (I’ve never used the term ‘abatement’ because it’s so vague. Does it refer to hazard reduction or emissions reduction. Unless it’s clearly stated, who can tell?)

  50. Tony permalink
    January 27, 2020 6:07 pm

    Bushfires are with us. They always will be, nothing will ‘solve’ them.

    Which is what I’ve been saying from day one. Now you’re lecturing me?😂🤣

    At least you’ve now accepted it as a fact. Go tell some of your mates on twitter. They still think ScoMo could have prevented the fires if only he had done more on climate policy.

  51. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2020 8:26 pm

    And oddly enough Sooty and Co have already called an emergency meeting concerning the coronavirus … and it’s not “unprecedented” where global flue epidemics are concerned … unless he’s going to the Bahamas tomorrow, perhaps …

    Or maybe he thinks he can do more with a policy, procedures and emergency protocols …

    … establishing administrative, professional and volunteer numbers and skills, along with emergency accommodation, plant equipment and ADF backup (a friend of ours is a Major – she and her team can set up a full emergency hospital within hours …

    Pretty much the same as for an unprecedented bushfire season …

    Lessons learnt …

    God* preserve us with Greg Hunt at the tiller … flu comes in waves … *

    * 🙂

    They still think ScoMo could have prevented the fires if only he had done more on climate policy.

    Just who are they?

  52. Tony permalink
    January 27, 2020 9:13 pm

    Just who are they?

    This guy, writing on some backwater blog, for one.

    Now, Morrison is saying that it’s not the time to discuss climate change or who’s to blame for the fires. Will this incompetent buffoon ever accept any responsibility or accountability for anything?

  53. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2020 10:34 pm

    Tosy, this was your comment

    “It is dishonest and dangerous to suggest climate policy alone will solve bushfires”

    I’m asking you to show who says that. Even above it was shown he said “most important ”
    What’s so difficult to comprehend ?

  54. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2020 10:36 pm

    I see bolts been busted for lying.
    Again

  55. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2020 8:55 am

    Let me guess, it was from anus taylors office

    Social media users reveal that paragraphs in a letter purportedly written by a senior Yolngu Elder and published in a NewsCorp blog by columnist Andrew Bolt can be found near verbatim in an unrelated website and an academic paper.

    https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/2020/01/27/letter-revealed-contain-paragraphs-lifted-academic-papers-and-websites

  56. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2020 2:28 pm

    Quiet news day I guess

  57. January 28, 2020 2:44 pm

    And let me guess – they came up with an ad campaign – that was universally maligned.

    #Scottyfrommarketing #Thegiftthatkeepsongiving

  58. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2020 2:48 pm

    they came up with an ad campaign

    Where the Hill are ya

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2020 2:51 pm

    Just as a matter of interest, what is it that ex fire chiefs would say to Morrison that they haven’t already written? Or what would be so different from the advice that contemporary fire chiefs provide to government?

  60. January 28, 2020 3:07 pm

    “what is it that ex fire chiefs would say to Morrison that they haven’t already written?”

    Well, that’s a matter of pure conjecture I suppose but if I had to hazard a guess I imagine it might be something along the lines of:

    “Don’t you wish we had had that meeting now you fat cunt…?!”

  61. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2020 4:06 pm

    “Don’t you wish we had had that meeting now you fat cunt…?!”

    lol

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2020 4:09 pm

    I don’t think he has to arrange a meeting with some retired firemen to get that observation.

  63. January 28, 2020 4:15 pm

    You know they’re fucked when they start bringing out the spreadsheets…

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2020 4:17 pm

    Considerable publicity is being given to an article by Byron Lamont and Tianhua He titled ‘Why prescribed burns don’t stop wildfires’.

    Professor Lamont and Dr He are academics from Curtin University in Western Australia, the former a botanist and the latter a molecular biologist. They argue against the use of fuel reduction burning in bushfire management because it does not stop bushfires.

    The article exposes the fact that the authors have no experience or operational understanding of fire behaviour, and have not got the faintest appreciation of how a prescribed burning program works, or how bushfires are controlled.

    Their baseless and inhumane opinions, if given any credibility, would give rise to dangerous fire management policies, a continuation of the cycle of devastating bushfires in Australia, and to further losses of lives and beautiful forests.

    Very direct, but really, what would they know…

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/western-australia/ask-any-firefighter-prescribed-burning-mitigates-bushfire-losses-20200128-p53vdp.html

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2020 4:45 pm

    She does not take the call. As the Chinese Navy sails into Auckland … chuckle!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    what is it that ex fire chiefs would say to Morrison that they haven’t already written?

    LOL! @ rebs thoughtful reply … and your flattering belief that anyone here would know what fire chiefs would say … LOL!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Andrew Probyn is on abc news showing a colour coded spreadsheet It’s the 21st Century FFS! A white board was bad enough … !

    Oh dear, that’s Bridget goooorrrne…..!!

    Is Russel still here!!!

    ScMo, Scotty, Sooty, Lurch so many choices …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Very direct, but really, what would they know…

    And your point is?

  66. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2020 8:30 am

    Oh dear, that’s Bridget goooorrrne

    Wanna bet.

  67. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2020 8:46 am

    So, it seems the best way to get to be made a Member of the Order of Australia, is to push a right wings, bullshit agenda, and lie shamelessly about your qualifications

    When will the right wing warriors realize that ALL of their arguments are built on a web of lies?

    I had the pleasure of listening to some numbnut yesterday lamenting to some poor guy over how hard chrisse pyne had fought to keep the subs here, and how sorry he is to see him go. I butted in and asked him if he knew WHERE pyne was going, and he said it didn’t matter. I simply laughed at him and walked away
    Arguing is futile with that level of stupid.

    EXCLUSIVE: For many years, Bettina Arndt has been passed off by the Australian media as a “psychologist” and “clinical psychologist”. More recently, she’s been credited as “Dr Arndt” – in The Australian newspaper, and in federal parliament. But a long-running New Matilda investigation has discovered that Ms Arndt is not a doctor, has never obtained a PhD and nor, as it turns out, is she a psychologist or clinical psychologist.

    https://newmatilda.com/2020/01/28/psychologist-clinical-psychologist-doctor-or-none-of-the-above-will-the-real-bettina-arndt-am-please-stand-up/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

  68. Tony permalink
    January 29, 2020 8:46 am

    Joel Fitzgibbon speaking about climate change on Sky News just now: “Acting alone we can’t make a difference.”

    Which is just a fact. But that won’t please the climate zealots in his party.

  69. Tony permalink
    January 29, 2020 8:50 am

    “I butted in and asked him if he knew WHERE pyne was going, and he said it didn’t matter. I simply laughed at him and walked away.”

    Lol. Tom R’s tips on how to win friends and influence people.😂🤣

  70. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2020 9:01 am

    to be fair tosy, I wasn’t on a friedn winning expedition, I was simply astounded at the level of stupid (as was the poor guy having his ears bashed)

    I love when Joel Fitzgibbon talks, you listen. Everyone else turns off

    The sooner he follows pyne, the better

    Oh, and we DID discuss how it does make a difference, it just might not be much, but then, they said that when they sent kids to Gallipoli, didn’t they?

    Australia emits 1.2 per cent of the world’s greenhouse gases. So who must act to cut emissions?
    https://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/australia-emits-1-2-percent-of-the-world-s-greenhouse-gases-so-who-must-act-to-cut-emissions-20200124-p53ub1.html

  71. January 29, 2020 9:03 am

    “I love when Joel Fitzgibbon talks, you listen. Everyone else turns off”

    😆

  72. Tony permalink
    January 29, 2020 9:10 am

    “to be fair tosy, I wasn’t on a friedn winning expedition, I was simply astounded at the level of stupid (as was the poor guy having his ears bashed)”

    No worries. Personally, I try to keep my political views to places like this or the ballot box, but that’s just me. I’m sure you have a wide circle of friends of all political persuasions who love to hear your words of wisdom.😉

  73. Tony permalink
    January 29, 2020 9:17 am

    “The sooner he follows pyne, the better”

    Unlikely. Joel Fitzgibbon understands his constituency. (His party does not.)

  74. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2020 9:18 am

    ” I try to keep my political views to places like this ”

    Oh, I do too, although, we did used to have some roaring ‘discussions’ when we were on the turps, but we always laughed about it in the morning

    But this was just too stupid to let go. And, he was just a random on the street, who was already bashing some guys ears with stupid crap like pyne fought for our submarine jobs ROFL

    I still cannot fathom how anybody can be THAT stupid.

    oops, we have nil, don’t we

    Maybe it WAS nil?

    I do note that you have more interest in my day to day than you do with a grumbint that goes after people who expose rorting within their ranks, and who bestow titles on liars who peddle their ideology.

    Not that that says anything mind you 😉

  75. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2020 9:21 am

    (His party does not.)

    They must, he’s still there.

  76. Tony permalink
    January 29, 2020 9:26 am

    “I do note that you have more interest in my day to day”

    I had zero interest – till you brought it up! Also, I’ll comment on what I want, not what you want. (This is still an open thread, isn’t it?)

  77. Tony permalink
    January 29, 2020 9:28 am

    Or maybe we’re supposed to be talking about wine.😳

  78. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2020 9:55 am

    Australia has fallen to 68th in global internet speed rankings, making it the fourth slowest country for broadband in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/tech/2020/01/28/broadband-speeds-australia-oecd/

    Maybe the fires burnt down the 5g towers that were gonna ‘fix’ it? [sarc]

  79. Walrus permalink
    January 29, 2020 10:15 am

    “John McEnroe and Martina Navratilova have delivered a stunning on-court protest against Margaret Court on Tuesday afternoon.The duo have been vocal against Court in the past who has caused controversy with her vocal opposition to same-sex marriage and comments about transgender people.”

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/australian-open/tennis-australia-respond-following-john-mcenroe-and-martina-navratilovas-oncourt-protest/news-story/cca43cfcc4756b099937b3fc9fb62e52

    George Washington owned over 300 slaves. I’ll take notice of those 2 once they have campaigned successfully to have the Washington Monument, Washington DC and Washington state successfully renamed.

  80. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2020 10:22 am

    I’m guessing if ol george stood up today and started arguing his case for keeping slaves, you might have a point wally.

    But as it stands …………….

  81. Walrus permalink
    January 29, 2020 10:49 am

    “….you might have a point wally.”

    “if”?……………….If you say so

  82. Walrus permalink
    January 29, 2020 10:53 am

    “Or maybe we’re supposed to be talking about wine”

    “The Treasury Wine Estates Ltd (ASX: TWE) share price could come under pressure on Wednesday after the release of an after-hours update on its first half performance.”

    https://www.fool.com.au/2020/01/28/treasury-wine-share-price-on-watch-after-fy-2020-guidance-downgrade/

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2020 11:21 am

    Aren’t people condemning James Cook for his behaviour, compared to current ethics?

    I think he’s of about the same era as Washington.

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2020 11:37 am

    “….you might have a point wally.”

    “if”?……………….If you say so

    You could apply the same “approach” in history to many things … any organised religion springs to mind … and what about all the historic viking sites in the UK … or those fkn Romans in Brittania … before the christians came along!

    And then there’s the destruction of whole civilisations by the Spaniards … the US invasions of SE Asia and the Middle East … the list goes on …

    History is history … Margaret Court may live in 1950s but most of us have advanced to the 21st Century … witch hunts are for the inqusitors …

    Court should move on or accept the consequences of her comments in a modern, free speech society …

  85. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 29, 2020 11:38 am

    Australia has fallen to 68th in global internet speed rankings, making it the fourth slowest country for broadband in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

    I wonder how they determine the speed? I recently shifted from Telstra to TPG because their internet/mobile phone is $50/month cheaper. On TPGs NBN12 plan I get 11.1Mbps. MAX. And I have fibre because I live in a newer home which already had an underground pipe to protect the fibre cable.

    And like most ALP politicians Michelle Rowland is lying. There is no way FTTP would be cheaper than FTTN because fibre requires a protective underground plastic tube and most homes do not have one

  86. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2020 12:13 pm

    Aren’t people condemning James Cook for his behaviour,

    I think people are pointing out he wasn’t an angel who set the Aborigines free from 50,000 years of the Dreaming

    More a raping explorer who introduced them to 200 years of suffering

  87. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2020 12:19 pm

    Were you in Adelaide yesterday nil?

  88. Walrus permalink
    January 29, 2020 1:18 pm

    “More a raping explorer who introduced them to 200 years of suffering”I think people are ”

    They should count themselves lucky that the Spanish, Portugese, French or Dutch didn’t settle here first.

    But I suppose you believe no one else would have settled the joint and the whole place would have stayed a secret notwithstanding a few satellites circling

    By the way………..what was the average life expectancy of the indigenous prior to 1770 as opposed to now

    And exactly when did Cook rape someone ?

  89. Tom R permalink
    January 29, 2020 1:36 pm

    They should count themselves lucky that the Spanish, Portugese, French or Dutch didn’t settle here first.

    Nobodies denying that atrocities were wide spread at the time.

    What people don’t like is rose coloured views of history.

    I mean, we’re currently celebrating Cook circumnavigating Australia ffs!

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/british-government-expresses-regret-maori-killed-after-james-cooks-arrival-new-zealand-180973270/

  90. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2020 1:51 pm

    What are we celebrating?

  91. January 29, 2020 4:15 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  92. Walrus permalink
    January 29, 2020 4:28 pm

    Personally I’d rather an elected official have the final say whether that’s the recommendation or not than a faceless bureaucrat.

    Faceless bureaucrats give money to totally undeserving arseholes like this one…..

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7916397/Yassmin-Abdel-Magied-handed-20k-six-months-Paris-Australia-Council-Arts.html

  93. Walrus permalink
    January 29, 2020 4:29 pm

    “And exactly when did Cook rape someone ?”

    I’m still waiting

  94. Walrus permalink
    January 29, 2020 4:31 pm

    “Court should move on or accept the consequences of her comments in a modern, free speech society …”

    That’s interesting as I would have thought a modern free speech society tolerates the non violent views of all…………………..obviously not in your version

  95. Tony permalink
    January 29, 2020 4:34 pm

    It would also help if they were proper sports. How the fuck does roller derby score 98/100?

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2020 4:41 pm

    That’s interesting as I would have thought a modern free speech society tolerates the non violent views of all…………………..obviously not in your version

    Court expressed her “free speech” and received a rebuttal in “free speech” …

    Violence? What violence?

    Violence against all those gay men over the past few hundred years?

    I don’t care what sexual orientation anyone has … what makes Court learned with regard to verbal abuse – tennis?

  97. January 29, 2020 4:46 pm

    “It would also help if they were proper sports.”

    What, like shooting clay things.

  98. Walrus permalink
    January 29, 2020 5:06 pm

    “What, like shooting clay things.”

    Yeah…………..did someone see roller derby in the Olympics ?

  99. Tony permalink
    January 29, 2020 5:06 pm

    What, like shooting clay things.

    I’ll have you know that sport is endorsed by the bureaucrats at the IOC! (They once used real pigeons, not piss-weak clay ones.)

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2020 5:47 pm

    Real pigeons are harder to hit … they actually move up and down and sideways … sneaky buggers!

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2020 5:50 pm

    … did someone see roller derby in the Olympics ?

    Not yet … I think frisbee team games gets a look-in first …

    Roller Derby is in Revival Mode … !

  102. January 29, 2020 5:59 pm

    Roller Derby. Is that the one with James Caan in it?

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2020 6:11 pm

    Who?

  104. Tony permalink
    January 29, 2020 6:28 pm

    That was Rollerball. (For anything to do with movies or TV the IMDb app is excellent.)

  105. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2020 6:41 pm

    There’s something seriously wrong with the sports bureaucracy if they considered funding for a marginal game (at best) as having more merit than providing some women’s toilets and change rooms at a netball & football facility in Australia’s fastest growing region.

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2020 7:05 pm

    IMDb app is excellent

    Yep, number one here …

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2020 7:11 pm

    … more merit than providing some women’s toilets and change rooms at a netball & football facility in Australia’s fastest growing region.

    One club was funded that didn’t have a women’s team … bizarre …

    I just realised – these are the same people who criticised Labor for supporting female
    surfers with grants …

  108. Tony permalink
    January 29, 2020 7:54 pm

    It’s a different football code in another country, but someone was always going to pick up one of the most talented players in the world.

    Israel Folau signs with Super League club Catalans Dragon

    https://amp.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/israel-folau-signs-with-super-league-club-catalans-dragons-20200128-p53vlo.html

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2020 10:44 pm

    I’m not sure what you’re talking about TB, each state has a surfing organisation that promotes the sport, arranges competitions, coaches high performance surfers (men and women, boys and girls)

    They get good support from the government. So does the peak organisation- Surfing Australia.

    I think the world tour is run by sponsorship, although Australian comps like Bells Beach probably gets government support.

    As surfing is an Olympic sport now it will probably get the same type of support as offer sports.

    That all seems about right to me.

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2020 10:50 pm

    And if cash is getting thrown around, I’d prefer it go to the fastest growing sports for the participation of women – like AFL… and shooting!

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/national/shooting-among-australias-fastestgrowing-sports-thanks-to-women-tradies/news-story/9cb0cb306b160ff557a86afa22d94654

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2020 10:55 pm

    Roller derby didn’t make it to the top 20. But let’s throw some money at it says sporting bureaucrats

    https://www.sportaus.gov.au/media-centre/news/australias_top_20_sports_and_physical_activities_revealed

  112. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2020 5:52 am

    Faark me, the armchair sports experts are at it. They KNOW what is best. What do people who spend their days studying this shit know! Better to do a 2 minute Google and extrapolate the decisions from the top result there

    My moneys on Roller cricket

    Yea, much better to have (looking to be re-) elected official to pork barrel voters into sucking them in again. Funnily enough, the biggest losers(again) are National seats, cos they know those idiots will keep voting for them no matter how much they kick ’em.

  113. January 30, 2020 7:25 am

    To my knowledge, Chess players suffer from a severe lack of facilities. Surely they must be the most deserving of all.

  114. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2020 8:21 am

    What about all those hard done by golf clubs!!

  115. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2020 8:28 am

    Sports Rorts, an explainer

    yea, (looking to be re-) elected officials really know their stuff (as long as the colours right)

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1220652919889879040.html

  116. January 30, 2020 9:12 am

    When your friends at The Awfulstralian can’t even defend your actions, you know you’re fu*ked…

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/scorched-scott-morrison-has-no-one-to-blame-but-himself/news-story/6d4187523a34f7e48a1171d9bc572f6d

  117. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2020 9:25 am

    yep, when murdor wipes his hands, you know yor gorn

    dutton, laughing, spreads his wings?

  118. Tony permalink
    January 30, 2020 9:48 am

    When your friends at The Awfulstralian can’t even defend your actions, you know you’re fu*ked…

    Friends? Niki Savva? 🤣😂 With friends like that who needs enemies? She makes a living out of bagging Liberals, including in a couple of books.

  119. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2020 10:00 am

    She makes a living out of bagging Liberals

    ROFL

    She’s a turnbull fanatic, and she has at times gone after libs when they fight amongst themselves, but …………

    ROFL

  120. Tony permalink
    January 30, 2020 10:08 am

    She’s a turnbull fanatic

    Yes, her husband worked for him. Every article she wrote was Turnbull good, Abbott bad. She was devastated when Turnbull was overthrown and evidently she still hasn’t recovered.

    If you’re going to cite the messenger as evidence of the truth of the message, it’s only fair to examine the messenger’s motives.

    ROFL ROFL

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2020 10:25 am

    … I’d prefer it go to the fastest growing sports for the participation of women

    You obviously don’t “see” women’s soccer thru those tomlens glasses of your’s …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Sports Rorts, an explainer … Ah yes … that’s what this is really about, TR … we all got look over there’d by a certain someone – again …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    She makes a living out of bagging Liberals …

    Not the impression she’s ever given on, Insiders

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2020 10:31 am

    When your friends at The Awfulstralian can’t even defend your actions

    I certainly won’t pay to breach News Corpse’s paywall … read a more little at Crikey …

    reb, you pay? 🙄

  123. Walrus permalink
    January 30, 2020 10:45 am

    “Not the impression she’s ever given on, Insiders”

    The fact that she wrote this might explain it……………….

    “So Greek: Confessions of a Conservative Leftie” :Scribe Publishers 2010

    And the other fact is she was born in Cyprus not Greece. She cant even get that most basic fact right

  124. Tony permalink
    January 30, 2020 10:49 am

    Not the impression she’s ever given on, Insiders

    Perhaps if I rephrase slightly you might see where I’m coming from:

    She’s made a living out of bagging certain Liberals. Malcolm Turnbull is not one of them. She wrote a highly critical and widely criticised book about Tony Abbott and Peta Credlun. She’s also a self-described lefty, and has constantly criticised the government on climate policy and asylum seekers .

  125. Tony permalink
    January 30, 2020 10:50 am

    *Credlin

  126. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2020 11:31 am

    She’s also a self-described lefty

    ROFL

    bolts a ‘self described’ ‘conservative’

    He’s actually just another right wing racist

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2020 11:49 am

    Perhaps if I rephrase slightly you might see where I’m coming from:

    Really not bothered one way or another, ToSY

    What with drought, fire, flood, heatwaves and pestilence … soon to be famine I guess … I’m flat out catching up on my eschatology … time’s running out …

    Should I build a survival shelter, or would it be more economical and quicker to book flights to Jerusalem … is it too late to accost a JW team about membership?

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2020 11:52 am

    Hillsong looks interesting

    I’m gonna sing until my voice won’t let me
    As thunders roar I’ll shout Your praise
    You’re the God of everlasting wonder
    Your love outlasts the end of days

    https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=MygyXp_3L8ib4-EPhuiAyA4&q=end+of+days+hillsong&oq=end+of+days&gs_l=psy-ab.1.9.0l10.1435.4282..9378…0.0..0.261.2079.0j6j5……0….1..gws-wiz…….0i131j0i10.wFCwdvUCams

  129. January 30, 2020 11:54 am

    “I certainly won’t pay to breach News Corpse’s paywall”

    It’s in front of the paywall. Would you expect me to part with may hard earned to read that filth….??!! 😆

  130. January 30, 2020 11:55 am

    “She’s also a self-described lefty”

    Oh, my aching sides….!!! 😆 😆 😆

  131. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2020 12:00 pm

    lol savva

    including the pressure on the government now, along with Labor, to come up with a new policy for the next election

    it’s almost like, you know, they didn’t win the last election with a climate change policy which they just seem to have forgotten about.

    But it’s all good, they can wait until the next election to bother with that details, but Labor!!!

  132. ivi permalink
    January 30, 2020 12:50 pm

    (You obviously don’t “see” women’s soccer thru those tomlens glasses of your’s …

    Is that so.)

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2020 12:59 pm

    It’s in front of the paywall.

    Mmmmm … I just get a big black screen? Might be my ad blocker …

  134. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2020 1:15 pm

    Nah, that’s it TB, they don’t call it the Dark Side for nothing

    Nice one ivi, haven’t seen that movie yet, but looks pretty interesting

    yomms been a rollerball hater for years, ever since Gillard turned him down 😉

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2020 1:15 pm

    Yeah, reb, my Private Browsing security stopped it (clever little sod) … having now read Savva’s opinion piece I can’t see what the fuss is about … its all true, nothing to defend – so what happens … go for the messenger … usual MO I suppose …

    Any criticism of conservative pollies means the writer must be a “lefty” (whatever that actually means) …

  136. Tony permalink
    January 30, 2020 2:09 pm

    Any criticism of conservative pollies means the writer must be a “lefty” (whatever that actually means) …

    It’s her own description of herself, hence the term ‘self-described’.

    From her Wikipedia page:

    Savva described herself as a “conservative leftie”.

    Whatever that actually means. Also from her Wikipedia page:

    As a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too. Journalists can and do get away with lying.

    If you cite the messenger as proof of the message, be ready to have the messenger examined.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niki_Savva

  137. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2020 2:18 pm

    Whatever that actually means.

    It means another murdor storyteller told a story, and you lapped it up

  138. Tony permalink
    January 30, 2020 2:30 pm

    Lol. She’s not very original, either.

    These are all prime ministers who journalists said “had no one to blame but himself” (google search term ‘pm has no one to blame but himself’)

    ScoMo (of course)
    Justin Trudeau
    Stephen Harper
    Tony Abbott
    Narendra Modi
    Recip Erdogan
    Kevin Rudd
    David Cameron

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2020 4:27 pm

    Sam Clench must be a lefty too!

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/one-word-sums-up-the-governments-laughable-excuse-for-sport-rorts-scandal/news-story/2d2e94e8c0c277af1e6975007ec7d697

    All of the above happening as … Angus “Slippery” Taylor, slinks away into the wetlands … money bag under his arm … and smirk on his face …

    What a rabble …

  140. Tony permalink
    January 30, 2020 4:46 pm

    Sam Clench must be a lefty too!

    Could be. I’ve never heard of him. His “bio” doesn’t make things any clearer.

    Sam writes about Australian and US politics, with the occasional snarky TV recap thrown in. He first joined news.com.au as a university student, working as that guy in the office who fetches mail and fixes the printers, before scoring a job as a reporter and going on to be morning homepage editor. He spends his free time eating.

    I’m not saying you need qualifications to give your ‘opinion’, but why should his opinion be given any more weight than, say, yours, TB?

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2020 5:35 pm

    … but why should his opinion be given any more weight than, say, yours, TB?

    Didn’t say it did … but I don’t work for news.com.au …

    … opinions are opinions … we were talking about Savva’s “opinion piece” – who also works for news.com.au remember? …

    … not sure how, I got stuck in there – anyway, I haven’t had a boss since ’92 …

    (apologies to The Minister)

  142. Tony permalink
    January 30, 2020 5:50 pm

    Didn’t say it did …

    Didn’t say you did say it did. Your turn.

    we were talking about Savva’s “opinion piece” – who also works for news.com.au remember? …

    Correction. Niki Savva works for The Australian. Sam Clench works for news.com.au.

    In case you hadn’t noticed, news.com.au is the token left outlet of News Ltd.

    … opinions are opinions …

    The way I heard it, “opinions are like arseholes – everybody’s got one”.

  143. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 30, 2020 6:52 pm

    What gets me about this sports rort thing is that the allegation is that marginal seats were targeted. Normally the allegation is that a political party favors their own seats. Apparently that roller derby thing was for a National Party seat.

    Trouble is the media and a large chunk of Australians are Labor party voters and they are full of hate and dishonesty. So it is very hard to work out the truth

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2020 7:24 pm

    In case you hadn’t noticed, news.com.au is the token left outlet of News Ltd.

    Gotta link? If the wolfmother has pups … the pups are wolves …

    In case you hadn’t noticed most of the media in this country is conservative oriented … thanks to News Corpse …

    I’m sure you will enlighten me … but I am unaware of any left oriented radio shock jocks … but many of my (female particularly) quote (at me) what the “well known” shock jocks burble …

  145. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 30, 2020 7:32 pm

    Most of the media is conservative oriented? Really? news to me.

    Now to want to destroy any radio programs which support Conservative views.

    You will never be happy until anybody who does not share your views is in a reeducation camp

  146. Tony permalink
    January 30, 2020 8:54 pm

    In case you hadn’t noticed most of the media in this country is conservative oriented … thanks to News Corpse …

    That’s right, I forgot. You ‘think’ 70% of media is owned by Murdoch. If only you could find the link … musta left it round here somewhere. 🤣

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2020 9:10 pm

    That’s right, I forgot. You ‘think’ 70% of media is owned by Murdoch

    You have a link to a lefty shock jock radio station?

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2020 9:13 pm

    Now to (sic) want to destroy any radio programs which support Conservative views.

    Thanks for the compliment … you really think I have that power? 😛

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2020 9:21 pm

    I just did another search re Murdoch … and its significantly “ominous” to say the least that there is NO information on media ownership in Australia!!!

    Just had a thought!

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2020 9:42 pm

    What about 57% – in 2016!

    https://theconversation.com/factcheck-is-australias-level-of-media-ownership-concentration-one-of-the-highest-in-the-world-68437

    And check out the rogues gallery

    only five countries have one owner with more than 50% ownership of the daily newspaper market

    Back in 2011, the Centre for Policy Development reported that Australians regularly look at 12 websites that could be classified as “news based”

    News Corp owns controlling stakes in Foxtel – which has a monopoly in the pay TV market – and Sky News, which is carried by Foxtel.

    Verdict

    Michelle Rowland was correct. A number of reputable sources show that the concentration of media ownership in Australia is one of the highest in the world.

  151. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 30, 2020 10:14 pm

    Thanks for the compliment … you really think I have that power?

    No but it is what you want to do. U lefties are bullies. In power you would get rid of people who disagree with your beliefs

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 30, 2020 10:53 pm

    The discussion about media ownership and it’s influence is so old fashioned. It’s almost quaint.

    It’s like a chat about recipes for chicken soup or figuring out whether doilies are more practical than serviettes.

    Or whether JB hi-fi has a better future than Harvey Norman.

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2020 11:31 pm

    In power you would get rid of people who disagree with your beliefs

    I’m not a lefty (whatever that is) … and you’re still here …

    TOMlens – look over there …

  154. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2020 5:59 am

    I see the circle jerk continues

    Meanwhile, the libs are protecting little girls from getting changed in cars.

    Or, is it just some little girls?

  155. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2020 8:16 am

    Not only did the libs destroy an automotive industry that was as competitive as any on the world stage, it also destroyed thousands of other manufacturing jobs around the Submarine project, a project our nation had invested $Billions in, and is now set to cost many $Billions more than even their boated numbers said, and we will probably get nothing from it.

    Vandals is what they are, ideological Vandals

    the Naval Shipbuilding Advisory Board, containing senior US Navy Admirals who had originally endorsed the choice of the French, advised the government little more than two years later that it should consider abandoning the project even if the negotiations over the Strategic Partnership Agreement reached a successful conclusion

    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/the-ultimate-boondoggle-submarine-project-risk-is-high-to-severe-sea1000-defence/

  156. January 31, 2020 8:47 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  157. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2020 8:55 am

    AAAUUUGGGHHHH

    Our peerless leaders LIED!

    Tell me it isn’t so.

    Apparently some people prefer to stay in Wuhan than go to a detention center island resort

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/30/australian-man-in-wuhan-says-he-would-rather-stay-than-go-to-christmas-island

    Of course, there’s also the little issue of the one family locked up there being exposed to a virus. It really highlights the callousness of this mob. They have no care for anybody outside of their circle

  158. January 31, 2020 9:06 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  159. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 9:17 am

    Where, exactly, should these people be quarantined? I’m just asking because the AMA head doesn’t say, and Peter Dutton has said “I can’t clear a hospital in Sydney or Melbourne to accommodate 600 people. We don’t have a facility otherwise that can take this number of people. I want to make sure that we keep Australians safe.”

  160. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 9:20 am

    *Assuming, of course, you think people who return from Wuhan should be quarantined.

  161. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2020 9:20 am

    We don’t have a facility

    Yea, but we got a (maybe) surplus

    Here’s a thought STOP UNDERFUNDING HOSPITALS!

    We are a 1st world cunt … oh 2nd world cuntr… ooh

    3rd world Cuntry!

  162. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2020 9:25 am

    Assuming, of course, you think people who return from Wuhan should be quarantined.

    Nah, just let ’em in, what could go wrong [facepalm]

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jan/30/coronavirus-live-updates-china-death-toll-wuhan-evacuation-foreign-nationals-citizens-latest-news

  163. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2020 9:26 am

    What’s the good of rorting if you can’t laugh about it 😉

  164. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 9:26 am

    Here’s a thought STOP UNDERFUNDING HOSPITALS!

    Yes, that’s a thought. But where, exactly, should these people be quarantined?

  165. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2020 9:27 am

    One would only assume …. in or near a hospital
    (fyi, we have more than one of those things at last count)

  166. January 31, 2020 9:32 am

    “”One would only assume …. in or near a hospital””

    Indeed. Why hasn’t anyone thought of this before?

  167. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 9:35 am

    One would only assume …. in or near a hospital

    Can’t be done, apparently.

    I can’t clear a hospital in Sydney or Melbourne to accommodate 600 people.

    Next idea.

  168. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2020 9:39 am

    Can’t be done, apparently.

    lol, scotty says

    Not saying he’s lying (even though they have a well documented history of doing that.

    But, I wouldn’t have thought you’d need to clear a hospital to quarantine some people. Is scottyfrommarketing making shit up?

  169. January 31, 2020 9:42 am

    “Next idea”..

    So demanding. 🙄

    Are we to presume that some run down prison with the most basic of accommodation and no medical facilities on some remote offshore island would be your best idea too….?

  170. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 9:45 am

    An interesting sidebar to this story. One family remains on Christmas Island. One.

  171. January 31, 2020 9:47 am

    Exactly. Millions of dollars of taxpayers dollars wasted on just one family. Do you think that’s been a good use of our money?

  172. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 9:50 am

    Are we to presume that some run down prison with the most basic of accommodation and no medical facilities on some remote offshore island would be your best idea too….?

    No. I suggest we commandeer Crown Towers and the Mahogany Room, so we accomodate them in the manner to which they are accustomed.

  173. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 9:56 am

    Millions of dollars of taxpayers dollars wasted on just one family.

    I know. Good to see you concerned about the budget.

  174. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 10:00 am

    Sidebars are so problematic

    The whole idea is the Wuhan people will be quarantined, so it’s remotely possible they could keep the two groups separated.

  175. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2020 10:10 am

    I’m just asking because the AMA head doesn’t say

    ‘cept he did 😉

    The government has at its disposal a number of facilities, everything from you know, defence sites or other sites, quarantine facilities, which it could ramp up to meet this demand.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/30/christmas-island-not-equipped-to-deal-with-people-from-coronavirus-stricken-wuhan-ama-chief-says

    so it’s remotely possible they could keep the two groups separated.

    Is that because this island paradise has, you know, pre-built fences and guards?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-12/christmas-island-human-rights-assessment/4424322

  176. January 31, 2020 10:13 am

    “I suggest we commandeer Crown Towers and the Mahogany Room”

    I was thinking the Novotel at Brighton Le Sands or Rooty Hill RSL.

    At least they’re places no ordinary human being would want to go to.

  177. January 31, 2020 10:13 am

    “the Wuhan people”

    Is that what we’re calling them now. 😯

  178. January 31, 2020 10:14 am

    How about just “the infected”..

  179. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 10:14 am

    The government has at its disposal a number of facilities, everything from you know, defence sites or other sites, quarantine facilities, which it could ramp up to meet this demand.

    Goody. And where or what, exactly, are they? He doesn’t say.

    And Peter Dutton says they don’t. Are we to believe the AMA chief(!) knows more about such things than the minister?

  180. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 10:16 am

    Is that what we’re calling them now. 😯

    How about The Wuhan Clan.

  181. January 31, 2020 10:16 am

    Or “anywhere in Queensland”.

    We could just close the borders. And then…

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 10:24 am

    Australians from China will be sent to Christmas Island for 14 days quarantine …

    Flights from China will continue to operate onto mainland Australia …

    Logic? Please explain?

    And Russia closes its 4300km border with China …

    Wonder if Trump knows that Russia and China are “close” neighbours?

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 10:29 am

    Can’t be done, apparently.

    How quickly we forget … in the 1600’s they quarantined people on ships!

    How much accommodation does a cruise ship have? (They have hospitals too …)

  184. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2020 10:29 am

    “the Wuhan people”

    The HU?

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 10:31 am

    Do you think that’s been a good use of our money?

    But, but that’s what the surplus is for … The Conservative Ideology Slush Fund …

  186. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 10:36 am

    And Peter Dutton says they don’t. Are we to believe the AMA chief(!) knows more about such things than the minister?

    What makes you think that politicians are all knowledgeable? I can name you half a dozen military establishments … no reason that the AMA Pres can’t … Dutton was cop FFS! (A pretty poor one too)

  187. January 31, 2020 10:38 am

    I think if we just agree to call them “the infected” then sending them to some far flung hell hole just seems logical and reasonable too.

    It’s all in the semantics.

    I mean it worked with calling people “illegals” rather than “asylum seekers” so why can’t it work with these so-called ‘patients?’

    You know it makes sense.

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 10:39 am

    Or “anywhere in Queensland”.

    I can see the headlines now … Mexican Terrorist Arrested by Dutton’s Border Patrol … Sent To Christmas Island for Life!

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 10:41 am

  190. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2020 10:43 am

    I mean it worked with calling people “illegals” rather than “asylum seekers” so why can’t it work with these so-called ‘patients?’

    You have a great career with the infected libs there if you want reb

    … no reason that the AMA Pres can’t …

    I’m sure he could, he simply mentioned they are available without mentioning specific names.

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 10:45 am

    Deaths: 212

    It was 170 when I first commented here …

    The latest figures:

    The virus has spread to at least 9,320 people around the world.

    12 people have died, all in China, meaning that the death toll has surpassed that of the Sars epidemic over a year long period (2002-2003).

    There are 98 confirmed cases of infection outside mainland China in at least 18 countries.

  192. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 10:46 am

    What makes you think that politicians are all knowledgeable?

    I certainly don’t think that (nor did I say it). But it’s safe to assume the relevant minister has access to the department’s information.

    I can name you half a dozen military establishments … no reason that the AMA Pres can’t

    So could I. But I have no idea whether they’d be able to quarantine 600 people. I doubt you or the AMA president would either.

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 11:12 am

    But I have no idea whether they’d be able to quarantine 600 people. I doubt you or the AMA president would either.

    I know two that are currently moth balled and, when operational, accommodated over a thousand people … and I’m sure there are others …

    But they only need – one …

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 11:16 am

    With compliments …

    https://www.defence.gov.au/bases/Default.asp

  195. Walrus permalink
    January 31, 2020 11:22 am

    “I was thinking the Novotel at Brighton Le Sands………..””

    Being tastefully renovated at the moment

  196. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2020 11:38 am

  197. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 11:56 am

    Peter Dutton, is too thick to realise that other people know what he doesn’t … and that’s quite a lot!

    When this government starts thinking, taking the fudge out of its collective gobs and actually doing something positive – people might start listening …

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 12:11 pm

    The world’s biggest and most dangerous fuckwit!

    The US will end its moratorium on the production and deployment of landmines, in another reversal of Obama-era policies and a further breach with western allies, it has been reported.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/30/trump-policy-change-landmines-obama

  199. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 1:00 pm

    I know two that are currently moth balled and, when operational, accommodated over a thousand people … and I’m sure there are others …

    Great. Which ones are those, and are they ready to accommodate 600 people at short notice?

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 1:08 pm

    January 31, 2020 11:16 am

  201. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 1:16 pm

    Yes I saw your list of bases. But which are the two you know are moth-balled? Aren’t they the ones you’re suggesting they use?

  202. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 1:23 pm

    BTW, is that supposed to be a complete list? I don’t see East Sale RAAF base (home of the Roulettes), and doesn’t QLD have Amberley RAAF base (at least)?

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 1:24 pm

    No and I’m not telling you either … they are both on the list … in fact I visited one about two years ago …

    And I know serving members …

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 1:26 pm

    Yes, and Yes … and I’m not suggesting anything … Dutton as is his usual, arrogant style, just wipes the idea with no thought …

  205. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 1:26 pm

    We also have Puckapunyal army base down here.

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 1:26 pm

    I know …

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 1:27 pm

    In my day there was 1TB, 2TB and 3TB … Pucka is/was from memory 2TB

  208. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 1:30 pm

    No and I’m not telling you either

    Guffaw. State Secret?

  209. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 1:33 pm

    So in a nutshell you know we have military bases. Your list proves it. You also know two are moth-balled. But you have no idea whether any of them can quarantine 600 people at short notice. Or, if you do, you’re not telling.

  210. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 1:37 pm

    The world’s biggest and most dangerous fuckwit!

    It’s okay though because Impeachment!

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 3:13 pm

    No, ToSY because landmines kill more civilians after a war than soldiers during a war … awful things … and …

    … if you haven’t already, read the military history of Nui Dat …

    Estimates also show that the Australian-implemented barrier minefield accounted for 97 Australian and Allied deaths and was responsible for wounding 420 soldiers in one province alone.

  212. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2020 4:07 pm

    I wonder if it mentions a hooker from NZ?

  213. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 4:11 pm

    Why didn’t they just call it ‘reparations’ or something so the woke board could live with their collective conscience? What hospital anywhere can do without $15m?

    Public hospital REFUSES $15M donation from coal company – because of concerns about mining

    Wyong Hospital, on the New South Wales Central Coast, has been dogged by complaints over low nurse numbers and emergency wait times – and last October sent a one-year-old home with a fractured neck without staff ordering scans.

    But the hospital board has refused Wallarah 2 Coal Project’s offer to donate $14.8million over the mine’s 28-year life span because of ‘community sentiment’ and ‘public health effects’.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7947297/amp/Public-hospital-REFUSES-15M-donation-coal-company-concerns-mining.html

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 4:37 pm

    Why didn’t they just call it ‘reparations’ or something

    … bribery …?

  215. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 5:24 pm

    Happy Brexit Day everyone!

  216. Walrus permalink
    January 31, 2020 5:33 pm

    “…..so the woke board could live with their collective conscience? ”

    The mirror image of what I stated above in relation to making grants. Unelected bureaucrats making decisions that should be made by the Minister.

    We know who really runs the joint and it’s not either of the major parties

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 5:56 pm

    We know who really runs the joint and it’s not either of the major parties

    Clive and Pauline?

  218. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 5:58 pm

    Take The Moral High Ground and others will follow!

    Probably not.

    At Senate Estimates on 1 June, 2017, the Chief Scientist, Alan Finkel AO, asserted that, were the world to reduce its carbon emissions by 1.3 per cent, which is approximately Australia’s rate of emissions, the impact on the changing climate of the world would be ‘virtually nothing’. He then argued that ‘doing nothing is not a position that we can responsibly take because emissions reductions is a little bit like voting, in that if everyone took the attitude that their vote does not count and no one voted, we would not have a democracy…We’ve never been a nation to shy away from a challenge, or from shouldering our fair share of the responsibility for solving global issues. Sitting on our hands while expecting the rest of the world to do their part is simply not acceptable.’

    My not voting would indeed be a great moral evil if it caused such vast numbers not to vote, that our democracy was effectively destroyed. However, it seems almost certain that my not voting would only trivially increase the probability of such a catastrophe

    In this context, it is hard to think of any major diplomatic victories of Australia at international forums in recent decades, in which a strong Australian stance has changed the material actions of significant others. Australia’s moral and political standing seem quite insufficient for Australians to have any confidence that other nations – especially the three large emitters, USA, China and India – would follow suit on further emission reductions. To believe otherwise is magical thinking.

    https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/02/going-solo-beyond-paris/

  219. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 31, 2020 6:33 pm

    To believe otherwise is magical thinking.

    That’s absolutely correct. China, USA, Russia, India, South Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia…

    None of the major emitters of the world will take a scrap of notice of Australia “taking a leadership role” or “taking the moral high ground” on emissions.

    I’m all in favour of us participating (transparently) in meeting our targets, but it is delusional to believe anyone else will take any notice.

    And worse, if we take on more than our obligations, we are likely to breed plenty of cynicism in the electorate. We’ll do all that leadership and there will be no change in the risk of bushfires.

  220. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 6:56 pm

    CNN Calls Out U.S. Coronavirus Task Force for… Lack of Diversity

    Are these people qualified to tackle this problem? It doesn’t matter. This is bad because they’re mostly white people, and mostly males.

    Do you really want your life to be saved by a bunch of white dudes? I’ll bet they’d love that, wouldn’t they? They’d be all lording it over you, like, “Oh, I can’t help but notice you’re not dying of the plague. You’re welcome.” Uh, thanks for nothing, you racist transphobes.

    Look, if it weren’t for the Wright Brothers, a couple of white guys, that virus would still be stuck all the way over in China. White people got us into this mess, and now we’re supposed to trust them to get us out of it?

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/cnn-calls-out-u-s-coronavirus-task-force-for-lack-of-diversity/

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 7:42 pm

    Probably not. ??

    That’s absolutely correct. China, USA, Russia, India, South Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia…

    None of the major emitters of the world will take a scrap of notice of Australia “taking a leadership role” or “taking the moral high ground” on emissions.

    I guess that’s why we’ve decided to join the world as an arms supplier … along with UK, France and the above … hang on aren’t the major arms peddlers permanent members of the Security Council too?
    Australia always seems to follow the Septic Tanks … our cousins across the Ditch are more “independent” than we are …

    CNN Calls Out U.S. Coronavirus Task Force for… Lack of Diversity

    Wot! Cock! Don’t care who saves me black, white, blue or brindle .. if it works !!

    Anti-social meeja really is a joke …

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 7:46 pm

    And … Take The Moral Low Ground and others will follow!

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/new-evidence-appears-to-link-scott-morrisons-office-to-sporting-grant-scandal/news-story/806fa6c36fe8efdfa1d2de0d12214240

    This government is on very shaky ground …

  223. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2020 8:07 pm

    This government is on very shaky ground …

    Yeah, nah, I agree! Just as well there’s an election around the corner. In a couple of years. About.

  224. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 31, 2020 8:41 pm

    The mirror image of what I stated above in relation to making grants. Unelected bureaucrats making decisions that should be made by the Minister.

    I agree with that but it is not right if a Minister is rorting. I have not studied what has been happening but I did study the allegations made in 2007 against Howards Regional Partnerships Scheme.

    70% of grants went to Coalition seats because 70% of seats in Regional Australia were in Coalition hands. There was no rorting but the media said there was.

    Fact is anybody who does not vote for the Coalition hates them. So anti-coalition people tell lies and make stuff up

  225. January 31, 2020 9:37 pm

    Thank you Neil. None of that had ever occurred to me before.

  226. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 31, 2020 10:36 pm

    What did you not occur before?

  227. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2020 11:14 pm

    What you said, NoS

    Just as well there’s an election around the corner. In a couple of years. About.

    Just what Gough thought?

  228. Tony permalink
    February 1, 2020 10:34 am

    Just what Gough thought?

    Yes. A majority of the senate could (threaten to) block supply bills unless Morrison calls an election. If he resists, as Whitlam did, they could ask the Governor General to dissolve parliament.

    Let’s see. There are 35 coalition government senators.

    Then we have 26 Labor and 9 Greens, so 35 opposition senators.

    Then there’s the cross bench: two One Nation, two Centre Alliance, and Jackie Lambie.

    So, in theory, if three cross-benchers voted with the opposition they could block supply.

    However, in practice, Labor (says they) won’t do it:

    Senator Dastyari: The Labor Party has a principled position about not blocking supply, a principled position we intend to maintain … I simply say that we will support this legislation and support it because of our principled position to support supply. That should not wrongly be interpreted as necessarily greater support for the measures that are associated with this. The principle behind this is that we will treat it as supply and, as such, it will be supported.

    https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id:%22chamber/hansards/1ea904ea-ae93-4f0c-bb20-3d8c33e83f81/0497%22

    There could be other unforeseen circumstances which bring down the government, but a 1975-style dismissal does not Look like one of them.

  229. Tony permalink
    February 1, 2020 10:48 am

    Looks like the Greens hold a similar position. They do talk about blocking certain other bills as a double-dissolution trigger, but the decision to dissolve both houses is up to the Prime Minister.

    https://greensmps.org.au/articles/what-about-blocking-supply

  230. Tony permalink
    February 1, 2020 11:08 am

    The Canberra Times when it thought Labor would win the last election:

    If, as is very likely, Labor wins with a small but workable majority today, Bill Shorten will be in similar territory as Gough Whitlam in 1975.

    [T]he Senate will not block supply as in 1975, but the Senate still has to be dealt with if it blocks legislation for mandated policy, especially revenue measures that will fund other promises

    The power to block the money supply so the government cannot govern is still there as is the power of the Governor-General to sack an elected Government, even if neither is very likely to be used.

    But the blocking of legislation for which a Government has a mandate is still commonplace and the remedy – the double dissolution – too disruptive and drastic.

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6128797/the-challenges-awaiting-a-new-government/

  231. Tom R permalink
    February 1, 2020 12:38 pm

  232. Tony permalink
    February 1, 2020 12:58 pm

    I’m going to turn off my air conditioner completely. If I take the moral high ground the local Westfield is sure to turn all theirs off. Problem solved.

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 1, 2020 1:02 pm

    When green types and unions start to insist that air-conditioning in offices not cool below 26′ in summer and not heat above 16′ in winter, I’lll start to think they’re serious about emission reduction.

  234. Tony permalink
    February 1, 2020 1:11 pm

    (The Vic govt is asking people to run a/c at 24 – 28 degrees, not turn them off. In fact, it would be dangerous for any government to ask people not to use their air conditioning.)

  235. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2020 2:58 pm

    There could be other unforeseen circumstances which bring down the government,

    Indeed … 😈

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Haven’t run our A/C for over twelve months* (FYI set permanently @ 24C) … we do have ceiling fans … and tend to operate no more than two at a time …

    … we open most windows in summer … we have insulated roof/ceilings, tiled floors throughout and 50mm granite tops in the kitchen …

    Disclaimer: We do live on a hill and benefit from sea breeze … right now internal 30C – external 32C

    *usually three or four days a year

  236. Tony permalink
    February 1, 2020 5:25 pm

    I’ve just sent emails to Westfield at Chadstone, Southland, Doncaster and Highpoint. I told them about my no-air-conditioning policy and that I expect them to follow suit. No replies yet but it shouldn’t be long. Moral high ground is very persuasive.

  237. Tom R permalink
    February 1, 2020 6:19 pm

    Why is it people who claim that an individuals responsibility is paramount are the first to point to others when it comes to individual responsibility in action?

  238. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 1, 2020 6:34 pm

    What? Do you think it is unfair to point out hypocrisy? You know people that want everyone else to limit their emissions, without doing their best to limit their own.

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2020 8:08 pm

    What? Do you think it is unfair to point out hypocrisy?

    Are we talking about Sooty from Marketing? Or Sooty from Sporting Rorts? I think he transferred to one or the other?

  240. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 2, 2020 10:35 am

    It’s interesting that the push for the UK’s departure from the EU was seen as a right wing movement, but those behind the succession of Scotland from the UK as seen as left wing.

    It probably shows the nonsense of political labels

  241. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2020 2:16 pm

    And yet the North of England is seen as a left wing “stronghold” – where the mines and mills “used” to be … I suppose if you have nowt yuv got nowt t’ lose … (a large Brexit vote in the North) …

    I’m a firm believer in strength in numbers … the UK will come to regret Brexit … politics aside … and I suspect after three years – many would have changed their vote had there been another referendum …

    My rellies in the South will not be happy (Liberals) … my rellies in the North are ambivalent … my rellies in Brittany now have French resident status so they don’t care … I suspect my Canadian rellies don’t much care at all, as do I … don’t live there …

  242. February 2, 2020 6:07 pm

    So I see Bridget McKenzie has fallen on her sword despite the Crime Minister, McCormack, Dutton et al all previously insisting there was “nothing to see here”.

    This so-called “government” really is a fucking joke.

  243. February 2, 2020 6:13 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  244. Tony permalink
    February 2, 2020 6:35 pm

    This so-called “government” really is a fucking joke.

    I agree! When all your opponents are critical it must be the beginning of the end. Why can’t we just sack them and install Albo and Co?

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2020 6:58 pm

    ToSY, so you see nothing wrong here … ?

    (I get the sarc BTW)

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2020 7:08 pm

    And another BTW … Albo is no PM … Australia shot itself in the foot by not electing Bill Shorten … who was probably too smart for his own good …

    As I said at lunch today … my generation was spoilt with Hawke Keating … Fraser really was devious but had the decency to move on … Menzies was a bit like Ned Kelly … all legend no substance (read his childish attempts at the beginning of WW2) … and I confess to personal bias Menzies policies meant two years National Service for people like me … but Whitlam made sure it was reduced and then stopped.

    And another question should McKenzie remain deputy of the Nationals? And do we get the Madman from Tamworth …

  247. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 2, 2020 8:05 pm

    my generation was spoilt with Hawke Keating …

    Govt debt went from 7% to 18% of GDP from 1983-1996 and we lost our AAA credit rating. Unemployment was high for all those years and was at 11% when keating became PM. We ha Keatings recession we had to have with 2.5 years of double digit unemployment and home loan interest rates at 18%.

    Spoilt? Why? Hawke/Keating were economic disasters. If they did any good it was by only getting us into debt

  248. Walrus permalink
    February 2, 2020 8:42 pm

    “This so-called “government” really is a fucking joke.”

    Ok Doomer !

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2020 10:43 pm

    Ok Doomer !

    Droll!

  250. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2020 8:52 am

    So, one down, many to go.

    How long before we see abbott and co back in?

    Guess it’s the result of Cheating in an election

    Standards, Scott Morrison told us on the Sunday afternoon before the opening of federal parliament for 2020, are about accountability.

    Except, self-evidently, when standards are not about accountability; when standards are actually about shifting the goalposts so you can get through the latest debacle.

    Like when a prime minister, in this case – exactly the same prime minister dropping the piety about standards being about accountability – declines point blank to be accountable, declines to release new advice completely at odds with the auditor general’s assessment of the stinky debacle that is the sports grants program.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/02/scott-morrison-wants-the-sports-rorts-mess-to-be-over-with-mckenzies-exit-it-wont-be

    Ok Doomer !

    Tell it to all those who lost their homes, or were killed, by events that were … pre-Doomed!

  251. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2020 9:05 am

    To slightly misrepresent the Bard, this summer of our discontent is not to be turned.

    The weasel words, the lies, the treachery of putting individual ambition and political party benefits ahead of the nation’s best interests will not be diminished by whatever happens next.

    Given the track record, this government’s incapability of being honest with the people on the most obvious matters, it’s only likely to get worse.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/02/03/government-deceit-all-trust-lost/

    meanwhile, murdor reckons it’s all Labors fault for asking bureaucrats to check it out (turns out it was a good thing they did, they discovered corruption that would make nixon blush)

  252. Tony permalink
    February 3, 2020 9:10 am

    Guess it’s the result of Cheating in an election

    ROFL 🤣

  253. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2020 9:26 am

    tosy thinks it’s funny that his mob cheated, and only just won.

  254. Tony permalink
    February 3, 2020 9:34 am

    tosy thinks it’s funny that his mob cheated, and only just won.

    I’m laughing at your histrionics. But go ahead and lay out your case. Cheating in an election is a very serious allegation. You might single-handedly bring them down.

  255. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2020 9:38 am

    Federal government targeted marginal seats in potentially illegal sports grants scheme, auditor-general reports

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-15/government-sport-grants-targeted-marginal-seats-audit-office/11870292

    So not only did they cheat, but they may have done so illegally

  256. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 3, 2020 9:58 am

    Does anybody believe that targeting marginal seats would help a govt win an election? Most people never change their vote and have no idea what is happening in their electorate. I don’t care what the ALP does in my electorate I would never vote for them because the ALP is bad for Australia.

    Normally the allegation is the Coalition is favoring their own seats. This time the allegation is they targeted marginal seats and ignored safe Coalition seats. It would be nice if the media does not take the ALP side all the time because it means we never find the truth

  257. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2020 10:17 am

    These assholes are pathological

    The day before the 2019 federal election, the Morrison Government gave more than $15 million to one of its biggest political donors, from funding set aside to alleviate grinding Aboriginal poverty.

    https://newmatilda.com/2019/09/12/exclusive-on-election-eve-pms-office-gave-15m-to-rich-party-donor-from-money-set-aside-to-tackle-black-poverty-2/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2020 10:32 am

    Reading the following story reminded me of a poem I was introduced to when I was involved in risk management … ’tis a little long but worth the time, methinks …

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/261-scientists-sign-open-letter-calling-for-deep-cuts-to-greenhouse-gas-emissions/news-story/9636b7f3e32861869a997e894d1a78ed

    Twas a dangerous cliff, as they freely confessed,
    Though to walk near its crest was so pleasant;
    But over its terrible edge there had slipped
    A duke and full many a peasant.
    So the people said something would have to be done,
    But their projects did not at all tally;
    Some said, “Put a fence ’round the edge of the cliff,”
    Some, “An ambulance down in the valley.”

    But the cry for the ambulance carried the day,
    For it spread through the neighboring city;
    A fence may be useful or not, it is true,
    But each heart became full of pity
    For those who slipped over the dangerous cliff;
    And the dwellers in highway and alley
    Gave pounds and gave pence, not to put up a fence,
    But an ambulance down in the valley.

    “For the cliff is all right, if your careful,” they said,
    “And, if folks even slip and are dropping,
    It isn’t the slipping that hurts them so much
    As the shock down below when they’re stopping.”
    So day after day, as these mishaps occurred,
    Quick forth would those rescuers sally
    To pick up the victims who fell off the cliff,
    With their ambulance down in the valley.

    Then an old sage remarked: “It’s a marvel to me
    That people give far more attention
    To repairing results than to stopping the cause,
    When they’d much better aim at prevention.
    Let us stop at its source all this mischief,” cried he,
    “Come, neighbors and friends, let us rally;
    If the cliff we will fence, we might almost dispense
    With the ambulance down in the valley.”

    “Oh he’s a fanatic,” the others rejoined,
    “Dispense with the ambulance? Never!
    He’d dispense with all charities, too, if he could;
    No! No! We’ll support them forever.
    Aren’t we picking up folks just as fast as they fall?
    And shall this man dictate to us? Shall he?
    Why should people of sense stop to put up a fence,
    While the ambulance works in the valley?”

    But the sensible few, who are practical too,
    Will not bear with such nonsense much longer;
    They believe that prevention is better than cure,
    And their party will soon be the stronger.
    Encourage them then, with your purse, voice, and pen,
    And while other philanthropists dally,
    They will scorn all pretense, and put up a stout fence
    On the cliff that hangs over the valley.

    Better guide well the young than reclaim them when old,
    For the voice of true wisdom is calling.
    “To rescue the fallen is good, but ’tis best
    To prevent other people from falling.”
    Better close up the source of temptation and crime
    Than deliver from dungeon or galley;
    Better put a strong fence ’round the top of the cliff
    Than an ambulance down in the valley.

    Scientists want to build a fence … the government want to buy an ambulance …

  259. Tony permalink
    February 3, 2020 10:45 am

    Lol. New Matilda makes out there is something nefarious about Wesfarmers donating to the Liberal Party. What they somehow forget to mention is Wesfarmers gives a similar amount of money to the ALP. Hacks.

    https://transparency.aec.gov.au/AnnualDonor/ReturnDetail?returnId=51511

  260. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2020 11:01 am

    er, I think you got the flow of money wrong there tosy

    Was it on purpose?

    Our election was bought and paid for by crooks

  261. Walrus permalink
    February 3, 2020 11:12 am

    “Our election was bought and paid for by crooks”

    Something about lots of cash in an Aldi bag

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2020 11:15 am

    Did Clivey ever pay the Gladstone workers? Or is it still, “in a couple of days” ?

  263. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2020 11:16 am

    I suppose we should call him, Greasy Palmer … 😆

  264. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2020 11:22 am

    Something about lots of cash in an Aldi bag

    Wow LOOK, over there!

    …………………

    oh, nothing

  265. Tony permalink
    February 3, 2020 11:22 am

    er, I think you got the flow of money wrong there tosy

    Don’t think so. Wesfarmers donates to both parties so that part is irrelevant. The grant was to benefit Aboriginal employees, not Westfield. New Matilda says the money was for Westfield’s benefit in return for donations. Deliberately dishonest ‘reporting’.

  266. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2020 11:35 am

    Deliberately dishonest ‘reporting’.

    Really? where is your evidence that this worked, or had any effect?

    Oh, there is none, is there.

  267. Tony permalink
    February 3, 2020 11:45 am

    Really? where is your evidence that this worked, or had any effect?

    And vice versa.

  268. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2020 11:51 am

    https://newmatilda.com/2019/09/12/wesfarmers-responds-to-15m-indigenous-funding-scandal/

    So Wesfarmers are now a government entity?

    What about Rio Tinto and BHP … they also employ a number of aboriginal workers … any grants for them? Twiggy’l get on the bandwagon too, I reckon …

    (Disclaimer: I did a lot of work with Wesfarmers {and BHP and Rio T} and found them to be generally a responsible organisation … )

  269. Walrus permalink
    February 3, 2020 12:41 pm

    TomR is still re-running the May 2019 election. How amusing. Still cant get over losing LOL

  270. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2020 1:04 pm

    TomR is still re-running the May 2019 election.

    Well, if it’s as rigged as it looks it was, you can’t really call it an election.

    A multi millionaire spends millions of ill gotten cash on lying to the elctorate, not only on policies, but on his own intentions.

    The winning side get caught out trying to buy votes with possibly illegal means of funneling Taxpayer dollars into targeted electorates

    On top of murdoch doing his normal lying bullshit, ably supported by his new mates over at facebook

    But seems you’re happy with democracy being subverted, as long as your side benefits.

  271. Tony permalink
    February 3, 2020 1:25 pm

    But seems you’re happy with democracy being subverted, as long as your side benefits.

    Don’t forget the secret hand signals!👌

  272. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2020 1:30 pm

  273. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2020 1:31 pm

    Oops, I forgot about the #qanon aspect to all this. Thanks tosy

  274. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2020 1:34 pm

    Finally

    Popcorn time 🙂

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2020 4:06 pm

    “bout time Albo said something … anything actually!

    Pretty suspicious and points to Sooty being the marketing ring-leader – again!

  276. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 3, 2020 4:07 pm

    Speaking of Ministers going against Public Service advice. Brendan Nelson as defense Minister did that and got blasted for it. Turns out he made a good choice

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/probe-likely-into-defences-super-hornet-purchase-20070806-ge5imi.html

    THE HOWARD Government’s controversial decision to go against the advice of Australia’s air force chiefs and buy 24 Super Hornet fighter jets is likely to be investigated by the Commonwealth Auditor-General.
    Ian McPhee said he would consider examining the circumstances surrounding Defence Minister Brendan Nelson’s decision to spend $6.6 billion on the Super Hornets. If he did investigate, it would be in the 2008-09 financial year……. Last November, Dr Nelson stunned RAAF chiefs when he told cabinet’s National Security Committee that Australia needed to buy an interim fighter to ensure a “capability gap” did not emerge between the 2010 retirement of the F-111 fighter bomber and the 2013 arrival of the Joint Strike Fighter from the US.
    Just weeks earlier, the nation’s two most senior air chiefs said an interim aircraft such as the F/A-18 Super Hornet was not necessary.

  277. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2020 5:15 pm

    Another one!

    https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/five-men-injured-in-scaffolding-collapse-in-melbourne/news-story/cc949d390b91a9b6f29f8029ff3075e6

    I’ll be interested in the coroners report!

    At least the government is catching up … slowly

    Victoria’s new workplace manslaughter offences.

    The Workplace Safety Legislation Amendment (Workplace Manslaughter and other matters) Bill 2019 passed Parliament on 26 November 2019 and is expected to come into effect on a day to be proclaimed or, at the latest, 1 July 2020.

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2020 5:33 pm

    “When thieves fall out …”

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2020/02/03/cormann-text-message-turnbull/

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2020 8:26 pm

    If Bananaby checks in … This so-called “government” really is a fucking joke. And we’re all fucked! … Even more than before!

    I used to have a lot of time for farmers … sad, sad, sad …

  280. Tom R permalink
    February 3, 2020 10:07 pm

  281. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2020 8:23 am

    “What have the Billionaires ever done for us?”

  282. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2020 9:09 am

    That’s a devastating blow to the government! I have no doubt that they were relying on the continued support of Sally!!

  283. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2020 9:23 am

    Gold

    Discussing whether climate crisis was human-induced, Molan uttered the line of the night: “I’m not relying on evidence”, to which climate scientist Michael Mann replied: “You should keep an open mind but not so open that your brain falls out.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/04/im-not-relying-on-evidence-for-climate-change-jim-molan-angers-audience-in-new-look-qa?CMP=share_btn_tw

    (psst, it’s not about support yomm, it;s about exposing structural corruption 😉 )

  284. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2020 9:31 am

    The corrupt fighting among themselves while the victims (the people who voted for them no less) are ignored

  285. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2020 9:36 am

    I wonder whether there was any analysis of the initial NBN rollout, and which seats lined up first.

  286. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2020 9:39 am

  287. Tony permalink
    February 4, 2020 9:40 am

    Liberal senator Jim Molan elicited howls of anger from the audience on the ABC’s Q&A program on Monday night.

    Why anger? I don’t watch Q&A but apparently Molan said something they disagreed with. Anger doesn’t solve anything or change anyone’s mind. Plus, it’s bad for the angry person’s well being. Anger is overrated.

  288. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2020 9:41 am

    March – Five “first release” sites on mainland Australia are announced as testing grounds for Fibre to the Premise (FTTP). The sites are chosen based on their ability to test different construction techniques. They are Armidale, Kiama/Minnamurra Downs, Townsville, Willunga and Brunswick.

    https://www.optus.com.au/shop/broadband/nbn/nbn-articles/nbn-rollout-timeline

    fer the googless yomm 😉

  289. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2020 9:51 am

    Anger doesn’t solve anything or change anyone’s mind.

    I don’t know the whole story, but it was from somebody who had lost their house in the fires. You can guess the rest 😉

    Yea, sometimes anger is all you have left

  290. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2020 10:00 am

    so, the nats decided to pick the corrupt leader I see (rather than the corrupt challenger)

  291. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2020 10:10 am

    And don’t forget, Littleproud (aptly named) as Deputy, TR

  292. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2020 10:43 am

    Yes Tom R, marginal seats, ALP seats and the New England independent! No politics at all in the NBN rollout

  293. Walrus permalink
    February 4, 2020 11:13 am

    Excellent news that the radical left Adam Bandt has been elected Greens leader. That means he will take them even further to the Left creating an even more horrifying prospect of a Greens Labor coalition for the next election.

    It’s great news for the LNP

  294. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2020 11:40 am

    Actually, it’s a pretty even spread. Willunga was safe lib back then.

    Oh, and the reasoning was clearly spelt out, not ‘colour coding’ by voting intentions anywhere

  295. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2020 12:18 pm

    I thought Willunga was in Kingston.

    Going into the 2010 election, it was the most marginal Labor seat in South Australia.

  296. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2020 12:29 pm

    No it’s in Mayo, near Kingston. And I suppose these are a few examples of ALP seats getting some money out of the sports torts fund too.

  297. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2020 1:20 pm

    Of course, the other option is, you’re just full of shit 😉

  298. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2020 1:34 pm

    “”””And I suppose these are a few examples of ALP seats getting some money out of the sports torts fund too.””””””””””””””””

    Apparently the allegation is they targeted marginal seats both ALP and Coalition. So the roller derby thing which got 98/100 but was canned was for a safe National Party seat.

    Normally the allegation is a political party in govt favored their own seats. Not this time which is why I find the allegation a little suspicious. Also there is no point in trusting the media with allegations against the Coalition because a lot of time they are wrong.

  299. February 4, 2020 1:48 pm

    The only surprising aspect of this is that it isn’t really all that surprising…

    “A former Uniting Church minister who also ran one of the country’s most prominent gay conversion therapy programs has been charged with committing historical child sexual offences more than 30 years ago.”

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/former-inner-west-reverend-charged-with-child-sex-offences-20200204-p53xi9.html

  300. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2020 3:10 pm

    There are times I truly wish there was a hell reb

  301. Tom R permalink
    February 4, 2020 3:22 pm

    Nothing to see here, nothing to see

    “It may have been used not so much in marginal seats but trying to maximise our performance at the last election.”

  302. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2020 3:22 pm

    There are times I truly wish there was a hell reb

    My (limited) understanding is that paedophiles generally get a taste of hell in prison … all we can do is hope and pray …

  303. February 4, 2020 7:06 pm

    Consider this..

    You’ve employed someone giving them a chance at their first time full time paying job..

    Their 6 month probation review is coming up, but so far:

    They’ve used up 12 months of “sick leave”, including:

    “I couldn’t come in to work today because my dad’s in hospital with cancer

    I couldn’t come in today because my mother in law had a heart attack and is in hospital

    I couldn’t come in to work today because my aunty passed away on the weekend”

    Plus the rest of the sick days as “sick days”.

    I’m fkn over it tbh, thoughts……..??

  304. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2020 7:28 pm

    It may have been used not so much in marginal seats but trying to maximise our performance at the last election.

    I listened to the short interview and it does not sound so bad as the quote. But it does show Coalition ministers do not have the guile and deceit of ALP Ministers.

    He said it may have been used to maximise Coalition chances of winning govt but he is not sure. He then went on to say Labor does things like that but even worse. True but a poor political answer. And if he did not know there has or has not been rorting he should have said so. Not there may have been

  305. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 4, 2020 9:40 pm

    I’m fkn over it tbh, thoughts……..??

    I think it’s a problem that requires expert advice, and I’m sure TB will be along shortly to provide it.

  306. Walrus permalink
    February 4, 2020 9:46 pm

    “I’m fkn over it tbh, thoughts……..??”

    Welcome to the World of my clients that I still look after.

    Look at the Award and enforce it or the Common Law Contract

    Start getting “nasty” from their point of view you snowflake

  307. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2020 8:16 am

    “I’m fkn over it tbh, thoughts……..??”

    If it’s their probation, and they aren’t performing, you have to let them go reb.

    They also need a reminder that work aint a holiday.

    Of course, if this is all legit, and, while there, they are a good worker, then you will know to keep them on. Everyone has periods where life takes over.

    But you cannot repay someone who is just abusing you and the system.

  308. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2020 8:26 am

    You can’t dismiss a probationary employee for absence due to illnesss or family issues. Even if they take a month more sick leave than the award provides.

    It’s one of those pesky protected employment protections…like religion.

  309. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2020 8:43 am

    Normally, probationary means, at the end, you can dismiss them for no reason. It’s a time to test if they are a fit. 6 months is a long probationary period, but many seem to do it these days.

    https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employee-entitlements/types-of-employees/probation

  310. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2020 8:51 am

    The crooks continue to rip off public schools, while showering ‘private’ schools with taxpayers money

  311. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2020 8:54 am

    If you dismiss a probationary employee because they have been absent due to illnesss or family responsibilities, it is prohibited, and an employer is open to an adverse action claim. Adverse action is not unfair dismissal, it also has uncapped damages and reverse onus of proof.

    So as long as “no reason” doesn’t include absense (or religion etc) it’s ok.

  312. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2020 8:58 am

    If you dismiss a probationary employee because they have been absent due to illnesss or family responsibilities, it is prohibited,

    Which is why I said, if it’s legit 😉

  313. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2020 10:00 am

    I’m sure TB will be along shortly to provide it.

    I could … but certainly not in this forum … I’m sure you’ve heard of “Interaction Management”, ToM … you’ve probably needed it … I hope whoever “managed” you, was well coached … why … I may have even trained him/her …

  314. February 5, 2020 10:16 am

    “If you dismiss a probationary employee because they have been absent due to illnesss or family responsibilities, it is prohibited, and an employer is open to an adverse action claim. “

    Bugger.

  315. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2020 10:26 am

    I see there’s plenty of “advice” above anyway …

    reb, a basic process.

    1. Discuss … explain why you need to discuss the issue – and then listen … explain what will be the consequences* if it continues … set a follow up date

    *Usually a verbal warning … but can be a written warning – signed and countersigned by both parties …

    Follow Up

    2a. If it improves … say well done* and move on (*positive reinforcement)

    2b. If it continues then written warning and/or advise that they will be terminated …

    Follow Up

    3a. If improvement say so and move on …

    3b. If no improvement (have final pay ready!) … advise that there services are no longer required – DO NOT give a reason … do not discuss any further (loose lips sink businesses too.)

    That’s very basic (much more to it) … but it works … the more you do it the better you get.

    (and yes six months is a long probation – three works better)

    (Note This for, reb’s benefit … only correspondence will not be entered into)

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2020 10:27 am

    thier

  317. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2020 10:27 am

    Jesus —- their

  318. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2020 10:28 am

    reb, if he’s on probabtion, you don’t have to get rid of him because of that. You can get rid of people just because you don’t think they are a good fit. Read the link I put up above.

    I thought you’d have learned enough by now that taking advice from yomm is fraught with danger 😉

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2020 10:34 am

    We are very good at commemorating in Australia and we’re good at building memorials for people, if they’re white

    Corrected version

    We are very good at commemorating in Australia and we’re good at building memorials for people, but its time we started looking after the living!

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/04/ben-quiltys-2020s-vision-commemorate-massacres-for-sanity-goodness-and-healing

  320. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2020 10:57 am

    Ouch

    Don’t forget, this is the same government which, as one of its first acts, decided we no longer needed a motor vehicle industry.

    https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/what-pollies-really-mean-when-they-say-they-are-protecting-jobs-20200204-p53xj9.html

  321. February 5, 2020 11:25 am

    “I thought you’d have learned enough by now that taking advice from yomm is fraught with danger”

    This is one of those rare occasions where his information was actually helpful, as I was about to use the frequent absenteeism as the reason for not continuing their employment beyond the probation period.

  322. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2020 11:37 am

    Well depends on if you have documented his absenteeism, or if they are covered appropriately

    If he has covered his bases (or if he is actually just sick a lot lately) then yea, you just need to say he doesn’t fit with your company, it’s pretty straight forward these days.

    Of course, if it’s legit reasons, then, why would you get rid of them?

  323. Walrus permalink
    February 5, 2020 11:39 am

    Sick leave occurs on an accrual basis. Make sure they are not being paid if they are in excess of their entitlement and or set them up to fail so you can boot them LOL

  324. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2020 11:53 am

    February 5, 2020 11:37 am

    February 5, 2020 11:39 am

    Two totally different approaches to management of employees …

    Note: It is more expensive to terminate and re-hire … than it is to retain current employees … but the latter takes a bit more skill … (and avoid HR department or consultants) DIY is always best … (unless you want to blame someone else)

  325. Tom R permalink
    February 5, 2020 12:13 pm

    the #mediscare that wasn’t

  326. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2020 12:30 pm

    What is their ideological fucking point … hope and prayers? Hope and prayers …

    (Dodgy photoshopping BTW, TR)

    Sign here!

    https://www.alp.org.au/thank-you/bulkbillingcuts_thanks/

  327. February 5, 2020 12:44 pm

    They’re still on probation ( 6 months), but coming to the end of it.

    She has already used up all her sick leave and annual leave.

    Once upon a time, ppl on probation would make an effort to show a “good example” but those days seem long gone.

    I’m just worried that if we make here permanent then the absenteeism will continue and then you’re stuck with them.

    This is her first professional paying job, up until now she’s just been doing internships.

    You would think they might put in a bit more effort, but no.

    FKN MILLENIALS!

  328. February 5, 2020 12:46 pm

    “It is more expensive to terminate and re-hire … than it is to retain current employees”

    True, but it’s easier to weed the garden while they’re still small than later when they infest the whole place.

  329. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2020 12:52 pm

    How unusual, TB has over complicated the process.

    Here’s how to say goodbye to a probationary employee.

    1. Schedule a meeting to discuss. Tell the employee they may have a witness present. The meeting must be before 6 months have past , ie 5 months and 28 days!
    2. At the meeting you just say – “this isn’t working out, so employment isn’t going to continue past the probationary period”
    3. If they request a reason, you say -“this isn’t working out, I’ve observed your work during the past 6 months, and it isn’t a good fit for this position. Best wishes for the future.
    4. You repeat 3. as many times as necessary, and you don’t deviate from those words.

    Good luck!

  330. February 5, 2020 1:45 pm

    Thank you YoM.

  331. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2020 2:38 pm

    No worries, and…
    1. Don’t move away from the points above
    2. Pay out the notice period

  332. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2020 4:06 pm

    How unusual, TB has over complicated the process.

    Here’s how to say goodbye to a probationary employee.

    FFS, is everything a competition, ToM (the Terminator?)

    Obviously, reb, wants to terminate … not retain … in that case all he has to do is … tell the employee “you’re services are no longer required” … hand her any monies owing … (DO NOT give any reasons … they can be used against you … and could provide a reason for any wrongful dismissal claim … as long as you have a reason that you can use at a hearing) … and escort the employee to the door.

    It usually takes less than two minutes … I prefer to give employees a chance to at least discuss the issues …

  333. February 5, 2020 4:13 pm

    The thing is, her performance work-wise is fine.

    It’s the absenteeism that shits me, and the “reasons/excuses”

    “My aunty died”

    “My mother in law had a heart attack”

    “My dad’s in hospital with cancer”

    Like I say, she’s already used up a year’s worth of sick leave in less than six months as well as annual leave.

    I’m just concerned that if we make her ‘permanent’ staff the absenteesim will just continue, and there’s FA you can do about it once they’re permanent.

    Or am I just being an arsehole?

  334. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2020 4:28 pm

    If someone can’t figure out how to be reliable during their probationary employment, it’s highly unlikely that they’ll make a greater effort when they have all the employment protection.

    So it’s best to err on the side of goodbye and good luck!
    +++++++
    TB, it is not a competition, but you outlined a very basic performance improvement process, and that’s lengthy and unsuitable for a probationary employee

  335. February 5, 2020 4:33 pm

    “If someone can’t figure out how to be reliable during their probationary employment, it’s highly unlikely that they’ll make a greater effort when they have all the employment protection.”

    That’s my feeling too, ToM..

    Pity really.

  336. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2020 5:54 pm

    The thing is, her performance work-wise is fine.

    Then tell her so … and tell her why you are concerned …

  337. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2020 5:58 pm

    but you outlined a very basic performance improvement process, and that’s lengthy and unsuitable for a probationary employee

    For good reason … you need to discuss issues … people are not pencils you simply replace …

    – and its never too lengthy to retain what may be a potentially good employee … she was an intern you don’t know how she may have been treated …

    Neither of us actually “know” the situation …

    I’m out …

  338. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2020 6:16 pm

    … people are not pencils you simply replace …

    Says the guy who think a 30 second job interview is good practice.

    – and its never too lengthy to retain what may be a potentially good employee …

    When it’s at about 6 months employment, decisions HAVE to be made, to delay the decision risks the morale of the rest of the team, and the performance of the business.

    If (particularly during the first 6 months) an employee doesn’t value the work sufficiently to be reliable, they have self selected out.

  339. February 5, 2020 6:33 pm

    “Then tell her so … and tell her why you are concerned …”

    Unfortunately that’s not an option TB.

    As ToM mentions you can’t sack someone for absenteeism regardless of whether they’re permanent or just on probation.

    Most people on probation try their best to make a good impression.

    This individual has not.

    If she becomes permanent it’ll be even harder to get rid of her if the absenteeism continues, and it’s just not worth the risk (I think).

  340. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2020 7:23 pm

    I just got an email from GetUp asking me to tell my MP that I want more funding for the ABC.

    I replied that I was sending a message that I would support more funding when the ABC reflected the range of political views in the community, and when they became more efficient

  341. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2020 7:52 pm

    I would support more funding when the ABC reflected the range of political views in the community, and when they became more efficient

    More funding would ensure that the ABC “reflected the range of political views in the community” and also impact “efficiency” … as you would know, All Enlightened One … productivity is the key!

    What you really mean is … “I’ll support the LNP Government in destroying any government (or independent) organisation, whether it be news and information, education, health, employment and wealth generation … I will also support any organisation that promotes, advertises and promulgates the LNP “values” …

    Coincidentally, I’ve just been reading, “Hitler’s Rise to Power: The Third Reich” …

  342. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2020 8:21 pm

    Want to know what poor management really looks like? Around the world … ?

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/what-will-happen-if-the-coronavirus-is-declared-a-pandemic/news-story/bbfd7388cc6ff464b355e4c7724b4ccc

    Dithering dodgers when it comes decision making! “Nothing is new … nothing changes” Aish, Assistant Professor, Cairo Museum, Tour Guide, 1997 … the things you learn!

  343. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2020 8:26 pm

    Mr Trump accused the Democrats of proposing “socialist” health care policies, railed against illegal immigrants and awarded America’s highest civilian honour, the Presidential Medal of Freedom, to a controversial right-wing radio host.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/live-coverage-donald-trump-delivers-2020-state-of-the-union-address/live-coverage/5b67dcf92728635fc8c582f3cd8e6da9

    I was sending a message that I would support more funding when the ABC reflected the range of political views in the community

    Beware what you wish for … send your own children to war … not mine!

  344. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2020 8:27 pm

    “”””Coincidentally, I’ve just been reading, “Hitler’s Rise to Power: The Third Reich” “”””

    That reminds me I think I found the first rendition of “”Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi””

    It happened in 1938 and starts around the 39 second mark

  345. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2020 8:33 pm

    Potato Head Dutton …

    “There are isolated mining camps or the prospect of hotels that you could take over. But I think we’ll look at all of those in order of what we think is the best response, but all of this is in the spirit of preparation.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/05/coronavirus-peter-dutton-says-australians-could-be-quarantined-in-mining-camps

    In the spirit of stupidity?

  346. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2020 8:37 pm

    That reminds me I think I found the first rendition of “”Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi””

    Anyone?

    C’mon Wally … 😯

    Where’s ToSY? 😳

  347. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2020 8:49 pm

    ToM!

    $8,000 here and $50,000 there , and $500,000 here and $20,000 there …

    Welcome to the 51st State of Corruption!

    And under-funding of our National Broadcaster the ABC …

    The Australian Bushrangers live today in the Liberal National Party!

    Ned Kelly was not a hero! He was an arsehole!

    Scott Morrison’s personal assistant has been caught on tape urging members of the Cronulla Sailing Club to “vote Liberal or I won’t have a job” after she helped it secure a funding grant.

    In the latest development in the sports rorts affair, the woman is seen being cheered and applauded over her role in securing taxpayer funding for a “beautiful concrete barbecue” at the sailing club in Mr Morrison’s electorate.

    The $8000 funding grant was from the Stronger Communities program, not the scheme administered by former Sports Minister Bridget McKenzie, who lost her job over the scandal at the weekend.

    During the video, posted to Facebook by the Cronulla Sailing Club, ‘Julie’ is praised for assistance in helping the sporting club secure taxpayer funding.

    “Julie is Scott Morrison’s PA. But apart from that Julie, helped me through the process. So for our beautiful barbecue out there thank you,” the sailing club representative says.

    In response, ‘Julie’ takes to the microphone to urge the assembled crowd to vote Liberal.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2020/02/05/scott-morrison-sailing-club-funding/

    Where can I get a bumper sticker “I didn’t vote for the fuckwits!”

  348. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 5, 2020 9:09 pm

    TB

    You are just playing politics. I have no idea if your post is true or not. But you could find thousands of examples of things like that all the way back to Federation.

    But you locked up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013 because you do not believe in borders. Of those 8,469 were children. You want a one world govt ruled by the UN and you do not believe in nation States

  349. February 6, 2020 10:00 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  350. Tom R permalink
    February 6, 2020 10:20 am

    That’s pretty childish reb

    🙂

  351. Tom R permalink
    February 6, 2020 10:56 am

    Plenty of money for bbq’s for mates, but for training our youth, nothing

  352. Walrus permalink
    February 6, 2020 11:10 am

    The World is a better place today as Kirk Douglas has died………………good riddance you fucking rapist

  353. February 6, 2020 11:26 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  354. Tom R permalink
    February 6, 2020 11:29 am

    wtf wally

    Is this another #qanon you’ve hitched onto?

    Resting marketing face 🙂

  355. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 6, 2020 11:50 am

    The great thing about retirement…

    I was looking at the background Wally’s comment about Kirk Douglas ( only in retirement is there time to do random research) , then I came across the allegations about Woody Allen.

    Then the comments of his don, then…. who’s the father!!

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ronan+farrow+frank+sinatra+woody+allen&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjkvMig2bvnAhWDAbcAHd33AbQQ2-cCegQIABAB&oq=ronan+farrow+frank+sinatra+woody+allen&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.3..0l2j0i8i30j0i24j0i333.42439.51734..52250…0.0..0.284.2737.0j1j11……0….1………0i67.pWKbpbpAY_I&ei=eWE7XqScBoOD3LUP3e-HoAs&bih=552&biw=360&client=ms-android-google&prmd=inv

  356. Tom R permalink
    February 6, 2020 12:15 pm

    common knowledge among conspiracy theorists perhaps 😉

    Nice that when someone dies, yor first impulse is voice conspiracy theories that disparage them.

  357. Walrus permalink
    February 6, 2020 12:37 pm

    I’m certainly not surprised at you defending him, afterall he was a lifelong member of the Democrats.

    It’s the Team that counts isn’t it ?

  358. Tony permalink
    February 6, 2020 1:50 pm

    Breaking: AFP will not be proceeding with Angus Taylor matter. (It was referred to the AFP by NSW Police because if anything happened, it happened in Canberra.)

  359. Tom R permalink
    February 6, 2020 2:19 pm

    afterall he was a lifelong member of the Democrats.

    I have no idea of his politics.

    He’s American ffs. Like it has any bearing on anything. It’s just another person whose name is dragged through the mud, quite obviously, I see now, BECAUSE of his politics.

    What is it with pedophile loving right wingers that they have to make baseless allegations? Is it pure deflection? Hatred, or perhaps some underlying jealousy?

    reaking: AFP will not be proceeding with Angus Taylor matter.

    Colour me surprised. Crooks, the lot of ’em

  360. Tom R permalink
    February 6, 2020 3:19 pm

    keystone kops just ‘couldn’t be buggered’

    we legit live in a fascist state

  361. Walrus permalink
    February 6, 2020 3:32 pm

    “What is it with pedophile loving right wingers…………”

    LOL I’d check the glass house you inhabit you supporter of child sex fiends

    https://www.google.com/search?q=alp+mp+pedophiles&rlz=1C1CHBF_enAU859AU860&ei=BJY7XrqXKrS38QPdoa7ADg&start=0&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwi6qeSui7znAhW0W3wKHd2QC-g4ChDy0wN6BAgLECw&biw=1469&bih=678

  362. Walrus permalink
    February 6, 2020 3:34 pm

    Some list……………..

    Milton Orkopoulos. 13 years, 9 months. Pedophilia.

    Milton Orkopoulos was a Labor MP and Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Minister Assisting the Premier. He was also a renowned pedophile. When a female member of Orkopoulos’ staff raised the alarm that he was fiddling with children, Nathan Rees (then Orkopoulos’ Chief of Staff and later appointed NSW ALP Premier) fired her. Orkopoulos was sentenced to almost 15 years in jail for sexual predation on a child and supplying heroine to minors.

    Keith Wright. 5 years. Pedophilia & rape.

    Keith Wright was a Labor MP and, for a time Leader of the Opposition. He was also a sexual predator and pedophile. In 1993 he was charged with child sex crimes and rape, convicted and jailed for five years in 1994.

    Bill D’Arcy was a Labor MP. He was also a teacher in remote communities, and during such times he indulged in less noble past-times, such as raping children. In 2000, he received 7 years jail for pedophilia. Since his release, D’Arcy has vowed to fight to have his convictions of more than 20 counts of child rape overturned. As of today, his convictions stand, and he has yet to carry through with his promise.

    Terry Martin. Sex with a 12 year old minor.

    Terry Martin liked being a Labor MP. He also liked having sex with and taking explicit sexual photographs of a 12 year old child. It was for his deciding to vote against Labor that the Party disowned him, not his pedophiliac tendencies, which does seem, after all, to be moving along quite nicely as a fine Labor tradition. Martin was convicted on pedophilia and creating child pornography charges, his sentence suspended due to his medical condition (Parkinson’s Disease).

  363. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 6, 2020 3:42 pm

    we legit live in a fascist state

    Just out of interest, have you looked up a definition of fascism?

    I think it’s a term that gets used excessively by the left, without considering how disrespectful it is to people that have actually suffered under genuine fascism.

  364. Tom R permalink
    February 6, 2020 3:45 pm

    I’d check the glass house you inhabit

    er, how many supported them after a court had found them guilty?

    I think it’s a term that gets used excessively by people who see the rule of law being replaced by the rule of political expedience

    “To be honest with you, I actually don’t feel as though the allegations themselves are serious, in terms of the things that I would normally stand up and talk about the types of crimes,” he said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/06/angus-taylor-afp-drops-investigation-into-doctored-documents-scandal

    The fix was in from the start. We knew it, now we know it 😦

  365. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 6, 2020 3:55 pm

    So that’s your definition of fascism??

    Hilarious!

    …and Wally, get the story straight please! The ALP preselected numerous pedophiles and had them elected as MPs. A Liberal has ummm… visited one in gaol

  366. Walrus permalink
    February 6, 2020 4:14 pm

    LOL

  367. Tom R permalink
    February 6, 2020 4:22 pm

    visited one in gaol

    to offer his support, no less

    And wrote a letter supporting him”as did ANOTHER ex pm.

  368. Tom R permalink
    February 6, 2020 4:23 pm

    FASCISTS!

  369. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 6, 2020 4:39 pm

    Yeah… visiting one is so much worse than being one!

  370. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 6, 2020 4:57 pm

    I see left types calling the government fascist, religious right, conservative or neo liberal, as if the terms are interchangeable.

    Many left types like using words without understanding their meaning

  371. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2020 5:20 pm

    Wally, Kirk Douglas was never charged …

  372. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2020 5:20 pm

    Many left types like using words without understanding their meaning

    I’d love you to explain the differences, please explain.

  373. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 6, 2020 5:30 pm

    No thanks TB, you use them all, whereas I don’t. So if you don’t understand the definition, try Google.

  374. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2020 5:36 pm

    Meanwhile back in the cesspit …

    Explosive new emails have revealed the Morrison government was warned its so-called robo-debt scheme was illegal and the ‘debts’ were not lawful.

    Confidential emails between tax office officials, provided to a Senate committee on Thursday, reveal that the Department of Social Service had legal advice that thousands of debts raised were “not lawful debts”.

    But it’s not yet clear how long ago that legal advice was received.

    The November 19, 2019, email, from the Australian Taxation Office’s general counsel, Jonathan Todd, to the ATO commissioner, Chris Jordan, was marked “Sensitive: Legal”.

    “In further discussion with the DSS, it appears that what you need to raise is: they have advised you that they have received legal advice that debts based solely upon DSS own income averaging of ATO annual tax data are not lawful debts (‘robo-debts’),” the email stated.

    “They have also suspended the raising and recovery of robo-debts as of today.”

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/welfare/2020/02/06/emails-robo-debt-illegal/

    Will the victims be refunded by the government, I wonder? … or will it take a class action … I’m taking odds on the latter based on past history and some personal dealings with fascist, religious right, conservative and neo liberals … including this government …

  375. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 6, 2020 7:18 pm

    TB

    Like all Labor party voters you are the master of deceit

    In 1991 Keating started data matching between the ATO and Centrelink

    In 2011 Shorten/Plibersek replaced data matching by humans with computers

    Robodebt started in 2011 by LABOR

    In 2016 the Coalition introduced income determination by income averaging instead of fortnightly statements and removed human checking on the computer results Labor introduced in 2011

    The illegal bit the Coalition introduced was income averaging to determine income instead of fortnightly statements

    And that is it. The illegal bit is income averaging which is against the law for some reason

  376. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2020 7:36 pm

    No thanks TB, you use them all, whereas I don’t. So if you don’t understand the definition, try Google.

    Another cop out? All Knowing One …

    You made this statement … Many left types like using words without understanding their meaning

    I do … but I don’t know your interpretation … prove your accusation … or give us a poem …

  377. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2020 7:37 pm

    The illegal bit the Coalition introduced …

    Ask ToM what illegal means … oh, wait!

  378. TB Queensland permalink
    February 6, 2020 7:38 pm

    The illegal bit is income averaging which is against the law for some reason

    ‘Cause its fucking ILLEGAL! 😡 😡

  379. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 6, 2020 7:44 pm

    OK income averaging is illegal. I have no idea why.

    But a normal person would think Robodebt has something to do with computers.

    In 2011 Shorten replaced humans with computers to match data between the ATO and Centrelink which had been done manually sine 1991. Introduced by Keating.

    Robodebt started in 2011.

    In 2016 Coalition introduced income averaging to determine income for Centrelink people.

    Why is income averaging illegal?

  380. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 6, 2020 8:34 pm

    At various times TB, you’ve described this government as conservative, neoliberal, fascist, religious right…

    It isn’t possible. But then you’d probably say “their all those things”

  381. Tom R permalink
    February 7, 2020 7:08 am

    Why can it not be all those things (except conservative, in the true sense of the word, which it isn’t)

    I mean, all it does is legislate the “illegal bits” (oh, and then send them out without oversight)

  382. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2020 9:00 am

    Right. Fascist neoliberals… how does that work?

    Like Trump gets called a neoliberals, but has interventionist and protectionist economic policies!

    The left has all sorts of logical contortions to issue disparagement

  383. Tom R permalink
    February 7, 2020 9:54 am

    Fascist neoliberals

    I don’t know, perhaps ask the Germans back in the 1930’s?

    https://mronline.org/2019/05/08/neoliberal-fascism/

  384. Tom R permalink
    February 7, 2020 9:57 am

    Coalition quietly spent another $150m sports grant fund during election campaign

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/07/coalition-quietly-spent-another-150m-sports-grant-fund-during-election-campaign

    You know, like neoliberals do, splurge taxpayer dollars on election bribes;)

    Or does that more closely resemble something else?

  385. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2020 10:07 am

    I see that hero of the left, Peter Marshall of the UFU is making a claim in the Supreme Court for a $1,000,000 boost to his retirement benefit!

    He’s paid $420,000 a year. Nice earner being a ranting union type!

  386. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2020 10:10 am

    …and being a fascist involes reducing government intervention, free trade and “let the market rip” ?

    That’s hilarious!!

  387. Tom R permalink
    February 7, 2020 10:15 am

    So, you are claiming that TB is incorrect in calling the libs neo-liberals then?

  388. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2020 10:20 am

    I think they’re conservatives. Their policies aren’t particularly or unusually laissez faire, they’re just standard, off the shelf conservative

  389. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2020 10:29 am

    The labels are annoying and dumb, in the same way that it was annoying and dumb when Liberals used to call Hawke and Keating socialists.

    It’s dumb, lazy name calling without even bothering to find out what the terms mean.

  390. Tom R permalink
    February 7, 2020 10:39 am

    they’re just standard, off the shelf conservative

    robodebt is ‘conservative’?

    Controlling social security payments is ‘conservative’?

    Privatising decades of public services is ‘conservative?

    imprisoning refugees for years without any recours to health or legal representation is ‘conservative’?

    Using taxpayer dollars to finance un financeable projects is ‘conservative’?

    Setting the AFP onto political opponents, and then using them as a shield when your own corruption is exposed is ‘conservative’?

    I know someone who needs a dictionary, and it’s not who you claim it is.

  391. Tom R permalink
    February 7, 2020 10:40 am

    I think they’re conservatives

    …………..

    The labels are annoying and dumb

    😆 Thanks yomm, that was needed 😉

  392. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2020 10:52 am

    I think that’s pretty much conservative.

    And as I’ve said, using the term fascist is insulting to people that have suffered under genuine fascism. But that type of exaggerated posturing and name calling is what the left does so well.

  393. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2020 11:02 am

    And you’re confusing grubby politics with political/social philosophy

  394. Tom R permalink
    February 7, 2020 11:06 am

    I think that’s pretty much conservative.

    It’s actually the opposite of conservative yomm

    “averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values.”

    Although, if you think Government forcing people to spend money in particular places is a ‘traditional value’ ?

    Or using the latest technology to illegally force people to pay money they don’t owe is a ‘traditional value’ ?

    Or is that just ‘grubby’ politics

    Sounds illegal to me, unless you are a fascist and use the system to hide it.

  395. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 7, 2020 11:21 am

    “””””Or using the latest technology to illegally force people to pay money they don’t owe is a ‘traditional value’ ?””””””

    https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20111114210628/http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/65939/20111115-0804/www.mhs.gov.au/media/media_releases/2011/06/29_june_2011_-_new_data_matching_to_recover_millions_in_welfare_dollars.html

    Media Release:
    New data matching to recover millions in welfare dollars
    29 June 2011

    A new data matching initiative between Centrelink and the Australian Taxation Office is expected to claw back millions of dollars from welfare recipients who have debts with the Australian Government.
    Minister for Human Services Tanya Plibersek and Assistant Treasurer Bill Shorten today said the new initiative will enhance Centrelink’s debt recovery ability and is expected to recover more than $71 million over four years.
    Beginning on July 1 this year, Centrelink and the ATO will automatically match data on a daily basis as a way of cross-checking former welfare recipients who have a debt with the Commonwealth.
    Those who are identified as having debts and who haven’t made repayment arrangements with Centrelink may have their tax refunds garnisheed when they lodge their income tax return.

  396. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2020 11:37 am

    I’d have thought strong borders and limiting access to welfare are pretty typical conservative talki points and policies.

    You’re confusing grubby politics with political social/philosophy

  397. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2020 11:43 am

    It’s dumb, lazy name calling

    You keep invoking my name with you little rants, ToM, but I take offence at the name calling … “dumb” … and lazy … are just the latest … ”

    … without even bothering to find out what the terms mean … believe me I do and I use them with political/military/religious/historical meaning … however you are making the accusations …

    This is a cop out.

    No thanks TB, you use them all, whereas I don’t*. So if you don’t understand the definition, try Google.

    Unlike you I also understand the meaning of socialist, communist (we’ve had that discussion), corporatist, democrat, religionists, militarists and many of their variants …

    *You don’t need to, do you … now which one are you? Mmmmm?

  398. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2020 11:51 am

    Just explain TB how you can describe the government as both neoliberals and fascist.

    It’s no different to those that called Hawke and Keating communist and socialist.

  399. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 7, 2020 11:57 am

    FROM The AUSTRALIAN

    There will be no relief for drought-ravaged regions over the summer, with Bureau of Meteorology officials telling a meeting of state and federal ministers there would be no significant rain until at least April.
    The ministers gathered in Moree, in NSW’s northwest, to discuss the best strategies to combat the enduring drought.

    Federal Drought and Water Resources Minister David Littleproud vowed to work with drought co-ordinator-general Shane Stone by February to cut bureaucratic red tape so desperate farmers did not have to make separate state and federal applications for assistance.
    Mr Littleproud said he was hopeful states would do more to assist farmers after South Australia announced on Tuesday that it would give rebates on council rates and pastoral leases for drought-affected farmers.

  400. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 7, 2020 11:59 am

    That post from The Australian was published December 11 2019

  401. Tom R permalink
    February 7, 2020 12:18 pm

    I’d have thought strong borders and limiting access to welfare are pretty typical conservative talki points and policies.

    Yes, but that’s not describing what the libs are doing.

    Mindlessly persecuting helpless individuals is not simply ‘strong borders’ it’s fascist thuggery

    Forcing people to use the governments mates card at only selected outlets is NOT ‘conservatism’

    It’s Fascist control!

  402. ivi permalink
    February 7, 2020 1:03 pm

    (You’re confusing grubby politics with political social/philosophy

    Ah.)

  403. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2020 1:09 pm

    So…when Gillard broke the written agreement she’d signed to allow her to form government, was that political expediency/tactics or part of her government’s philosophy?

  404. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2020 1:20 pm

    Just explain TB how you can describe the government as both neoliberals and fascist.

    The quasi fascist actions of this government … reflect its belief in neoliberal trickle down economics to support the rich and powerful at the expense of the old, sick, disadvantaged and poor … both systems seen as political and economic failures …

    Your turn …

    … using the term fascist is insulting to people that have suffered under genuine fascism

    Why do you believe that?

  405. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2020 1:34 pm

    Could you show me the difinition of neoliberalism you’re using.

    This one from Wikipedia seems about right to me and it doesn’t support the way you use the term

    Neoliberalism or neo-liberalism[1] is the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism and free market capitalism,[2]:7[3] which constituted a paradigm shift away from the post-war Keynesian consensus that had lasted from 1945 to 1980.[4][5] Neoliberalism is generally associated with policies of economic liberalization, including privatization, deregulation, free trade, austerity,[6] and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society.[14] However, the defining features of neoliberalism in both thought and practice have been the subject of substantial scholarly debate.[15][16]

  406. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2020 1:39 pm

    So…when Gillard broke the written agreement she’d signed to allow her to form government,

    That’s very Hitlerian of you to open up two fronts …

    A carbon price — the method widely agreed[1] to be the most efficient way for nations to reduce global warming emissions — is a cost applied to carbon pollution to encourage polluters to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases they emit into the atmosphere: it usually takes the form either of a carbon tax or a requirement to purchase permits to emit, generally known as carbon emissions trading, but also called “allowances”.[2]

    … was that political expediency/tactics or part of her government’s philosophy?

    It was the favoured method (in 40 countries I believe) to reduce carbon emissions, so the answer is neither … it was the best method of reducing carbon emissions for Australia and the World, that we are still part of.

    If you want to look at broken promises that didn’t help Australians …

    Education, health

    “No cuts to education, no cuts to health…” (Tony Abbott, September 2013)

    Tuesday’s budget imposed an $80 billion cut to health and education spending over next decade.

    “We are not shutting any Medicare locals.” (Tony Abbott, August 2013)

    All 61 Medicare Locals will now be scrapped and replaced with new local health networks.

    Taxes

    “No one’s personal tax will go up” (Tony Abbott, March 2012)

    The Treasurer confirmed a deficit levy would be imposed on people who earn incomes over $180,000.

    Pensions

    “No changes to pensions” (Tony Abbott, September 2013)

    Tuesday’s budget confirmed age and disability pensions will fall behind wages growth from 2017 after they are instead linked to inflation.

    Foreign Aid

    “From 2014/15, the $5 billion aid budget will grow each year in line with the Consumer Price Index” (Foreign Minister Julie Bishop, January 2014)

    The Treasurer revealed foreign aid would be frozen, leading to a massive $7.6 billion cut over next 5 years.

    Indigenous affairs

    “The Coalition will continue the current level of funding expended on Closing the Gap activities.” (Coalition policy document, September 2013)

    Tuesday’s budget cut $500 million through the consolidation of 150 programs.

    Environment

    ‘‘ARENA will have over $2.5 billion in funds to manage.” (Industry Minister Ian Macfarlane, November 2013)

    The ARENA (the Australian Reneweable Energy Agency) has been axed.

    “The Coalition will promote the use of solar energy by Australian families and households. It will ensure at least one million additional solar homes or community centres by 2020.” (Greg Hunt, December 2011)

    Tuesday’s budget scrapped the government’s Direct Action policy to fund rebates for the installation of solar panels and deliver 1 million solar roofs.

    See, ToM, you can break promises for improvement of the nation … or break promises to break the will of the people … what astounds me, is that the people most affected by the LNP’s draconian approach to this country’s economy, still vote for them … there can only be two reasons … propaganda and propaganda …

  407. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2020 1:45 pm

    This one from Wikipedia seems about right to me and it doesn’t support the way you use the term

    You had to look it up then? Here ya go … its a failure!

    Neoliberalism: do you know what it is?

    Its anonymity is both a symptom and cause of its power. It has played a major role in a remarkable variety of crises: the financial meltdown of 2007‑8, the offshoring of wealth and power, of which the Panama Papers offer us merely a glimpse, the slow collapse of public health and education, resurgent child poverty, the epidemic of loneliness, the collapse of ecosystems, the rise of Donald Trump. But we respond to these crises as if they emerge in isolation, apparently unaware that they have all been either catalysed or exacerbated by the same coherent philosophy; a philosophy that has – or had – a name. What greater power can there be than to operate namelessly?

    Do you think fascists didn’t have a controlled population? How is that done? By controlling wealth and its distribution …

    Read my answer again and I combine “actions” with “beliefs” … this Tory government’s failures …

  408. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2020 1:48 pm

    I’m referring to the written agreement Gillard had with Andrew Wilkie. Gillard broke it. Does that reflect the philosophical orientation of her government, or was it just grubby political expediency?

  409. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2020 2:08 pm

    Where’s that from? It’s bizarre because Trump is the opposite of a neoliberal. It’s typical left confusion.

    The Lewis Carroll/Humpty Dumpty of political commentary

    “When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

  410. Tom R permalink
    February 7, 2020 2:19 pm

    So, you are equating a politician breaking an agreement with another politician to a politician implementing policies that they know are illegal, and which led directly to peoples deaths because of that illegality

    FOR REAL?

    Pour yerself another one yomm

  411. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 7, 2020 2:49 pm

    That’s a point? Are you for real?

  412. Tom R permalink
    February 7, 2020 3:17 pm

    Hope you enjoyed your fallen birds egg you’ve been hiding yomm 😦

  413. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2020 3:59 pm

    LOL! @ TR! 😀

  414. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2020 7:22 pm

    Just imagine how a lefty, communist, socialist, bolshevik, marxist, stalinist, pinky government … could use this information … TTT … ToM the Terminator!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/07/web-browsing-histories-are-being-given-to-australian-police-under-data-retention-powers

  415. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2020 7:56 pm

    Seems lazy, right wing climate deniers are being left (hehe) behind by the real world …

    Really interesting photos and text … a the rain kicks in again outside my office …

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/gallery/2020/feb/06/modern-ark-designs-for-the-new-climate-reality-in-pictures

    And alongside that I guess, there’s this …

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/07/antarctica-logs-hottest-temperature-on-record-with-a-reading-of-183c

    Oh, and read Fingerprints of the Gods – Hancock …

  416. February 8, 2020 9:35 am

    I gave you a `like` for effort, I am sureTain you have done much research on the matter. I don`t drink wine, don`t like it.

    lazy, right wing climate deniers are being left (hehe) ” @don`t laugh too hard teebz, rest assured at next election, the hillbilly`s on tractors will keep voting for the miners in akubras even tho half of muppet island has been incinerated.

  417. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 8, 2020 1:51 pm

    This needs to be posted again so nobody should believe any global warming deadbeats. If they cannot predict 2 months in advance why should we trust them?

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/drought-minister-david-littleproud-scuppers-farmer-income-protection-plan/news-story/49ac0e58ec4b0f89b68a76ff3c1edcee

    There will be no relief for drought-ravaged regions over the summer, with Bureau of Meteorology officials telling a meeting of state and federal ministers there would be no significant rain until at least April.
    The ministers gathered in Moree, in NSW’s northwest, to discuss the best strategies to combat the enduring drought.

  418. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 8, 2020 2:45 pm

    BOM said no rain until APRIL

    http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR713.loop.shtml

  419. TB Queensland permalink
    February 8, 2020 8:04 pm

    Thank the Dogs!

  420. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 9, 2020 9:38 am

    It’s interesting that the left were particularly critical of Barnaby Joyce for launching the leadership challenge on the day that parliament recognised the bushfire victims, but I missed their criticism of RIchard Di Natale for choosing that day to announce his resignation.

  421. TB Queensland permalink
    February 9, 2020 3:35 pm

    …but I missed their criticism of RIchard Di Natale for choosing that day to announce his resignation.

    You’ve been reading Hildebrand again, TTT 😛 🙄

  422. TB Queensland permalink
    February 9, 2020 3:38 pm

    Statesmen have tan lines!

    And he had the temerity to call it FAKE news! Oh, the irony (get it – rust – iron) 😀

  423. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 9, 2020 4:28 pm

    FRom December 11 2019

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7778895/Australian-forecasters-warn-no-significant-rainfall-six-months.html

    The warning comes as Sydney residents were told to brace themselves for ‘unprecedented losses’ as the bushfires on the city’s doorstep breach its suburbs later this summer, according to an ex-fire chief.
    Greg Mullins, who was Fire and Rescue NSW commissioner from 2003 to 2017, said Sydney will likely to experience devastation greater than 1994, when hundreds of suburban homes were lost.
    .The worst is to come because it’s going to get hotter and drier and there’s no significant rain in the outlooks,’ Mr Mullins told AAP.
    ‘We’ve got massive fires that are too big to put out without rain. They are going to get bigger and they are going to come into Sydney suburbs, the South Coast, the Central Coast.’

  424. Tony permalink
    February 9, 2020 5:14 pm

    For the love of Greta, Scomo, why won’t you listen to Teh Chieves?

  425. TB Queensland permalink
    February 9, 2020 6:30 pm

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/nsw/2020/02/09/shoalhaven-bushfire-finally-out/

    And according to Sooty, they must have loved all 72 days of it!

    He could offer the Firies a holiday on the Bahamas??? 8)

  426. ivi permalink
    February 9, 2020 7:08 pm

    (For the love of Greta, Scomo, why won’t you listen to Teh Chieves?

    Wut?)

  427. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 9, 2020 8:14 pm

    http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/ahead/outlooks/archive/20191212-outlook.shtml

    December 2019

    Mostly neutral outlook for January to March

    The rainfall outlook for January to March suggests only small areas of the southeast and northeast are likely to be drier than average, with some small scattered areas of the northwest likely to be wetter than average. However, much of Australia has roughly equal chances of being wetter or drier than average for January to March.
    While outlooks for drier than average conditions may ease heading into 2020, several months of above average rainfall would be needed to see a recovery from current long-term rainfall deficiencies

  428. Tom R permalink
    February 10, 2020 8:52 am

    That’s a powerful song ivi, thanks for the share

    Disability pensioners were increasingly drawn into robodebt while scheme was under scrutiny

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/10/disability-pensioners-were-increasingly-drawn-into-robodebt-while-scheme-was-under-scrutiny?CMP=share_btn_tw

    They went after the disabled knowing this was illegal. I hope they all burn in their imaginary hells

  429. Tom R permalink
    February 10, 2020 8:56 am

    Celebration as natural disaster averted by slightly less horrific natural disaster

    https://chaser.com.au/general-news/celebration-as-natural-disaster-averted-by-slightly-less-horrific-natural-disaster/

  430. Tom R permalink
    February 10, 2020 10:26 am

    “Thank you Lorde for delivering us from those evil fires”

    Thousands of Sydney residents were ordered to evacuate on Sunday night in the face of rising flood waters, with the State Emergency Service warning anyone who stayed behind risked being trapped.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/fire-busting-rain-brings-new-threat-to-east-coast-20200209-p53z1m.html

    What’s next, Locusts?

  431. February 10, 2020 10:42 am

    “What’s next, Locusts?”

    Funny you should mention that..

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/most-devastating-plague-locusts-recent-history-could-come-within-weeks-n1133171

    But fire, floods, plagues of locusts, hell and damnation are all part of dog’s plan (according to Scott Morrison’s religious beliefs), so it’s all good, the ‘true believers’ will be saved while the rest of us will perish.

    That’s why he doesn’t a give a shit.

    I’m amazed that no journo is brave enough to question him about it.

  432. February 10, 2020 10:43 am

    By ‘amazed’ I actually mean ‘not remotely surprised’.

  433. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2020 11:04 am

    Could someone please explain to me what a “clean” coal fired power station is?

    Seems the LNP are regurgitating old garbage again … all over the (Mordoc) and anti-social media …

  434. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2020 11:22 am

    “Generally speaking, the capitalists focus on increasing the size of the pie, but not on dividing it well. Socialists focus more on dividing it well, not on how to increase its size.
    Intu the unknown: retail landlord faces up to a fundamental threat
    Read more

    “I think that we have to work together and this all has to be done in a bipartisan or not partisan way, because I think that right now you’re producing such anger and division and that is our greatest risk,”

    Pretty much encapsulates the real problem …

  435. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2020 11:24 am

    “””Intu the unknown: retail landlord faces up to a fundamental threat
    Read more”””

    Ooops – just a byline – ignore

  436. Tom R permalink
    February 10, 2020 11:46 am

    By ‘amazed’ I actually mean ‘not remotely surprised’.

    Seems they keep the fire and brimstone for Labor interviews only.

  437. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 10, 2020 11:55 am

    They went after the disabled knowing this was illegal. I hope they all burn in their imaginary hells

    Apparently the illegal bit was how the Coalition determined income. In 2016 they changed from using fortnightly statements to income averaging. But Robodebt started in 2011 when Labor replaced humans with computers to do data matching between the ATO and Centrelink

  438. Oooh`Oooh`Oooh`Teabag permalink
    February 10, 2020 2:28 pm

    ( Yaw actually believing their are `clever` primates?)

  439. ivi permalink
    February 13, 2020 12:05 am

    (Um; never misunderestimate the (ir)resolve of a primate with requisite focus to step on the gas.)

  440. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2020 9:17 am

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