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Anthony Albanese meets Indonesian President Joko Widodo in ‘human moth’ costume!

February 10, 2020

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Leader of the Federal Labor Party Anthony Albanese has today met with Indonesia’s President Joko Widodo dressed as a ‘human moth.’

What led to this strange turn of events remains a mystery, although it appears that President Widodo himself has been taking lessons in posture from the Trump family, adopting their bizarre way of standing that just screams ‘awkward.’

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Was it the ‘moth’ costume that did it, or is this just symptomatic of contemporary politics?

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  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 10, 2020 5:21 pm

    Albo has also affected the missing tooth look, which plays well with the part of the electorate that don’t bother with dental checkups.

    The combination of moth shirt and hillbilly teeth is a sure winner!

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2020 5:54 pm

    … which plays well with the part of the electorate that don’t bother with dental checkups.

    Why would you even write that?

    FYI

    2018 report Poverty in Australia found that there are just over 3 million people (13.2%) living below the poverty line of 50% of median income – including 739,000 children (17.3%).

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2020 5:59 pm

    I think Albo got a bit mixed up with today’s state visit and an ASEAN Conference … he looks a right dork … especially as Widodo has turned up in a business suit … actually I wouldn’t mind betting its from Wish … 8)

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 10, 2020 6:08 pm

    You’re very sensitive TB. Don’t you think someone on Albo’s income and his position could get their missing tooth plugged?

    But I suppose that look is pretty popular among the hillbillies and rednecks of Queensland.

  5. February 10, 2020 6:28 pm

    Judith Lucy wore it better…

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2020 7:25 pm

    You’re very sensitive TB. Don’t you think someone on Albo’s income and his position could get their missing tooth plugged?

    I prefer to be sensitive for the sake of 3 million people of one of the richest nations in the world living in poverty … who can’t afford regular dental check-ups – an important means curbing ill health …

    I don’t give a shit about Albos teeth (never crossed my mind) but your crass remark, as usual, sparked a reaction … your Elitist arrogance has become quite annoying and the insensitivity to other other Australians who obviously haven’t been able to enjoy your privileges of this wonderful country just demonstrate your limited understanding of what has made it such a wonderful country – the efforts of ordinary Australians … not the elitist leaners who just talk about “dole bludgers” … but the people who walk the talk, and get it done!

    And BTW … I don’t need or use Sensodyne … and all my teeth are happy!

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 10, 2020 8:04 pm

    Well… I think Albanese has had some dental work!! So maybe he isn’t one of the 3 mill missing out!!

    He’s one of the elite that’s had work on his teeth!! Look at his teeth a few years ago!!

    http://electionsmeter.com/show_images.php?id_img=16594&iframe=true

    I rest my case.

  8. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 10, 2020 8:26 pm

    And do you think Albo might have popped into the chemist for a little ash brown hair colour?

    It’s not quite the attractive light orange that Trump prefers, but it’s better than the standard grey.

  9. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2020 8:35 am

    Perhaps he’s just fading to grey?

    I see Labor are in big trouble for putting forward a speaker. really puts millions of dollars of corruption on the back burner, hey 😦

  10. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2020 8:55 am

    But hey, albos hair is grey (or a shade of), and they put forward a speaker (the nasties), so let’s not worry about a little corruption

    Coalition donor received $5.5m grant despite potentially being ineligible

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/11/coalition-donor-received-55m-grant-despite-potentially-being-ineligible?CMP=share_btn_tw

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 11, 2020 9:18 am

    Why is this news? A superannuation fund invests in public companies!! That employ union members!!

    But The Age thinks it requires an investigation!!

    https://www.theage.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/divestment-is-simplistic-cbus-backs-23-coal-producers-20200210-p53z8k.html

  12. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2020 9:31 am

    Because it is a Union affiliated fund, so of course nine news will hate it, just like the ages previous owners did

    Of course, yomm doesn’t care about millions of taxpayers dollars being used to buy an election, he’s too worried about hair colour

  13. Walrus permalink
    February 11, 2020 9:38 am

    “And BTW … I don’t need or use Sensodyne … and all my teeth are happy!”

    Really how do you know ?

    Do they smile back at you from the glass on the bedside table every night ?

  14. February 11, 2020 9:52 am

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  15. February 11, 2020 9:53 am

    “he’s too worried about hair colour”

    He does seem to be a specialist in the field..

  16. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2020 10:13 am

    lol reb, loved this reply

  17. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2020 10:21 am

    so, all this pain, and not even a surplus

    Given the changes to taxes and payments as a result of the nominal wage increase that would likely mean household incomes will be flat or even falling in real terms.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2020/feb/11/the-stumbling-australian-economy-needs-rescuing

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2020 11:07 am

    Anthony Albanese has given his strongest statement to date about the future of coal in Australia.

    Repeatedly asked if a future Labor government would allow new coal projects to proceed, the federal opposition leader said: “You may as well ask me if I support unicorns.”

    “I don’t think there’s a place for coal-fired power plants in Australia, full stop,” he told ABC radio on Tuesday.

    I do hope that’s the end (and the beginning >>>) of the coal-fired power plants for Labor – and they all get on the same fkn page … no-one has explained “clean” coal to me yet?

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 11, 2020 11:08 am

    Well…I’d only observe that Albo doesn’t strike me as someone who is particularly interested in his appearance, so, if he-
    * dyes his hair an attractive light brown
    * wears tropical shirts
    * affects the hillbilly dental look

    He must be really serious about winning the Queensland votes??

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 11, 2020 11:15 am

    Have a read TB…

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storage

  21. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2020 12:16 pm

    Don’t forget to read this section TB 😉

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storage#Limitations_of_CCS_for_power_stations

  22. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2020 12:21 pm

    ‘lefty’ sympathiser fran kelly blaming labor for the grubmints discord

    Labor exploiting parliamentary tactics to help fuel the coalition instability.

    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/anthony-albanese:-this-is-an-absolute-wreck-of-a-government/11952718

    the same lefty worshipping at the feet of abbott

    And the Opposition Leader is right – Senator Joyce is a talented politician who will inflict damage on the Labor Government

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2010-03-25/tony-abbott-on-the-run/380174?pfmredir=sm&pfm=sm

    She’s a partisan joke

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 11, 2020 12:34 pm

    There is plenty of research and investment going into carbon sequestration. That’s a good thing, don’t you think?

  24. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2020 1:30 pm

    That’s a good thing, don’t you think?

    Depends. Are more productive, less corrosive solutions being abandoned because vested interests are pushing their preferred option?

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 11, 2020 1:40 pm

    Depends?

    Australia has a clear competitive advantage in the international coal market, and plenty of power stations that rely on the fuel.

    If the is a way of getting more power generation out of existing, costly assets that employ thousands of people, and being at the front of the pack in carbon sequestration, I struggle to see the “depends”

  26. Walrus permalink
    February 11, 2020 1:42 pm

    Good to see the Leftist Twitterati have had another great victory trolling a business until it goes broke……………

    “The mood among the 400 employees who are now out of work has been described as “a mix of anger, confusion and disbelief” – but not at Calombaris. Instead, most feel they have been punished and paid the ultimate price…..”

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/inside-the-spectacular-collapse-of-george-calombaris-hospitality-empire/news-story/fcdb3c018c3f7648d6ace1aeffb75e72

  27. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 11, 2020 2:37 pm

    For the lefties coal mining is next. They want to close down what has become our biggest export. Natural gas as well because when it us burnt it produces CO2. Qld State govt got $3.7B in royalties from coal mining last year. How would they replace that income?

  28. February 11, 2020 2:57 pm

    “Good to see the Leftist Twitterati have had another great victory trolling a business until it goes broke”

    The “Leftist Twitterati,” is that what FairWork Australia are calling themselves these days..? 🙄

  29. Walrus permalink
    February 11, 2020 3:51 pm

    The Columbaris Group made a voluntary disclosure to FA and worked with FA until all amounts due were quantified. FA did not troll the Group into administration with 400 or so job losses.

    YOU and people like you did that with your exagerated outrage and calls to boycott the Group.

    I trust you are now delighted that 400 people have now lost their jobs……………well done and congratulations.

  30. Walrus permalink
    February 11, 2020 4:03 pm

    Oh and funny how we didn’t see a thread dedicated to the ABC casual staff $40m underpayment (still not finalised) but we saw one for Columbaris.

    Like I said congratulations……………………….. hypocrite

  31. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2020 4:07 pm

    Good on the twits for getting rid of a crook who helped drive down wages through illegal means.

    He should pay the price, his workers have been for the past ten years

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2020 4:14 pm

    Prince William and Kate expected to visit bushfire-hit regions of Australia

    Just get The Firm to donate a few million to the rescue funds … and avoid Australia paying your airfare and accommodation!

  33. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2020 4:17 pm

    yes, we should have a dedicated thread for every asshole who steals money from workers

    GET TO IT REB! (sarc)

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2020 4:34 pm

    … and being at the front of the pack in carbon sequestration, I struggle to see the “depends”

    The “depends” is that someone can actually find a way to sequester the emissions … and mine then burn “clean” coal … (especially brown coal – usually the cheapest and most used in power generation) … black coal is generally reserved for smelting and is ever so slightly “cleaner” than brown …

    What we need is manufacture of all types of renewable energy sources … from tidal to, wind, thermal, hydro, solar and storage systems, hydrogen – batteries, molten salt, pumped hydro …

    And create jobs, jobs, jobs …

    If coal suddenly evaporated … what would we do?

    Why is it that the LNP want to sit still (or slip backwards to the “good old tymes”(sic) … instead embracing the present … and seeking the future

    1930
    Alexander Winton

    When I first contemplated the application of gasoline for vehicles, I had a bicycle plant in Cleveland. Because bikes interested me, my mind naturally turned to something a rider wouldn’t have to push and keep pushing if he was trying to get some place. But the great obstacle to the development of the automobile was the lack of public inter- est. To advocate replacing the horse, which had served man through centuries, marked one as an imbecile. Things are very different today. But in the ’90s, even though I had a successful bicycle business, and was building my first car in the privacy of the cellar in my home, I began to be pointed out as “the fool who is fiddling with a buggy that will run without being hitched to a horse.” My banker called on me to say: “Winton, I am disappointed in you.”

    That riled me, but I held my temper as I asked, “What’s the matter with you?” He bellowed: “There’s nothing the matter with me. It’s you! You’re crazy if you think this fool contraption you’ve been wasting your time on will ever displace the horse.”

    From my pocket I took a clipping from the New York World of November 17, 1895, and asked him to read it. He brushed it aside. I insisted. It was an interview with Thomas A. Edison: “Talking of horseless carriage suggests to my mind that the horse is doomed. The bicycle, which, 10 years ago, was a curiosity, is now a necessity. It is found everywhere. Ten years from now you will be able to buy a horseless vehicle for what you would pay today for a wagon and a pair of horses. The money spent in the keep of the horses will be saved and the danger to life will be much reduced.”

    “It is only a question of a short time when the carriages and trucks of every large city will be run by motors. The expense of keeping and feeding horses in a great city like New York is very heavy, and all this will be done away with. You must remember that every invention of this kind which is made adds to the general wealth by introducing a new system of greater economy of force. A great invention which facilitates commerce, enriches a country just as much as the discovery of vast hoards of gold.”

    The banker threw back the clipping and snorted, “Another inventor talking.”

    https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2017/01/get-horse-americas-skepticism-toward-first-automobiles/

    When did you buy your first computer?

    (I bought my Amiga in 1989 – my first PC in 1992)

    When did you buy your first mobile?

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2020 4:42 pm

    Especially for ToM …

    https://earthresources.vic.gov.au/projects/carbonnet-project/carbon-capture-and-storage-faqs

    CCS is a transitioning phase … and is more suited to gas etc than coal …

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2020 4:45 pm

    Amusing how reb puts up a new post and everyone continues like nothing has happened … chuckle … (apologies, reb but ’tis right funnay)

  37. Walrus permalink
    February 11, 2020 5:03 pm

    “He should pay the price, his workers have been for the past ten years”

    Yes apparently by on average $0.60 per hour…………………………now despite all the money having been now paid to them when possible (some now deceased and/or uncontactable overseas) they deserve to be unemployed for being so stupid in not being able to work out their own award.

    People like that don’t deserve jobs according to TomR

  38. February 11, 2020 5:05 pm

    “Oh and funny how we didn’t see a thread dedicated to the ABC casual staff $40m underpayment (still not finalised) but we saw one for Columbaris.”

    Hard as it may be for you to imagine Walrus, here at GT we don’t have a team of journalists standing by to write articles on whatever topic du jour you feel is warranted.

    However, if you feel hard done by, I’d be more than happy to publish an article you care to pen and submit to articulate your position on these matters.

    I look forward to receiving your contribution in due course.

  39. February 11, 2020 5:07 pm

    “they deserve to be unemployed for being so stupid in not being able to work out their own award.”

    Classy.

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 11, 2020 5:11 pm

    And I’m not sure who the “vested interests” are. Maybe the CFMEU superannuation fund?

    Carbon sequestration is potentiallya huge economic benefit for Australia, selling the coal and the technology to reduce the carbon.

    Success would also reduce the urgency of moving to alternative forms of power generation.

    It makes sense to put resources into it.

  41. Walrus permalink
    February 11, 2020 5:47 pm

    “You’re crazy if you think this fool contraption you’ve been wasting your time on will ever displace the horse.”

    Except that horses still operate whether its calm, windy, in sunlight or in darkness.

    We cannot say that about wind turbines or solar panels

    Sydney just experienced 4 days of heavy dark clouds with zero sunlight, heavy rain and strong winds.

    A horse would still operate in that.

  42. Walrus permalink
    February 11, 2020 5:51 pm

    “Classy.”

    Cant do sarc ay ????

    For TomR the job and employee is entirely irelevant. It’s the principle that matters. Their unemployment is a moment of celebration. I’m sure they will give thanks now that they have no job.

    Thanks you Lefty Twitterati……..good job

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2020 7:33 pm

    I look forward to receiving your contribution in due course.

    Whooo! Me too!

    BTW what Award do CPA’s work under?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Carbon sequestration is potentiallya huge economic benefit for Australia, selling the coal and the technology to reduce the carbon.

    You do know where the CO2 ends up? (I saw how you got excited there! potentiallya )

    It makes sense to put resources into it.

    No it doesn’t … it makes sense to put resources into FREE energy or energy free from CO2 emissions (mentioned above) … oh! Bugger you think you can’t make a profit with that? Think again!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Except that horses still operate whether its calm, windy, in sunlight or in darkness.

    We cannot say that about wind turbines or solar panels

    Sydney just experienced 4 days of heavy dark clouds with zero sunlight, heavy rain and strong winds.

    A horse would still operate in that.

    Astounding … lets go backwards …

    1. Horses … Nor would many cars … you obviously missed the analogy within your ideologically programmed mind … its about energy (in particular electrical energy)

    2. Zero sunlight – I agree little, or no power … solar still produces in cloudy conditions … ask.me.how.I.know. 💡

    3. Heavy rain can generate power with turbines (in down-pipes is good) …

    4. Strong winds (guess what works with wind?)

    5. Horses still operate whether its calm, windy, in sunlight or in darkness … you obviously only know about horses from your crazy days at Melbourne and or Randwick … you don’t strike me as the riding kind …

    6. How long since you rode a horse to work? Do you remember all the horse shit on the roads?* Well now its in the air above you!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2020 7:35 pm

    … the job and employee is entirely irelevant (sic)

    I think that is the whole point …

    Exploitation isn’t!

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2020 7:37 pm

    … they deserve to be unemployed for being so stupid in not being able to work out their own award

    They shouldn’t have to … that’s why companies usually hire people like you … unfortunately!

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2020 7:58 pm

    Oh, the irony!

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/newscomaus-cost-of-living-survey-reveals-common-struggle-to-make-ends-meet/news-story/5201219daf31fbfd74ebadd06ddac3f0

    Rupert must be pissin’ himself … —– oh he can’t wait …

    https://store.independenceaustralia.com/continence-aids

    BTW whatever happened to Jerry H? How come she’s not in the news everyday?

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 11, 2020 8:10 pm

    TB, every country that experiences sunshine wants to develop solar energy. Ditto wind.
    Carbon sequestration allows coal to continue to be used and phased out over time. It is in Australia’s direct economic interest to research and develop carbon sequestration, and export both the mineral and the value adding technology.
    Only a green/left zealot person such as yourself would fail to acknowledge the sense of that.

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2020 8:11 pm

    Yes apparently by on average $0.60 per hour

    Yes, Mr CPA …

    $24 a week

    $1248 a year

    $6240 over 5 years (500 employees a profit for Colombaris of $3,120,000)

    And you try to justify COLOMBARIS’ “ignorance” …

    This is a classic case of WHY we NEED unions!

    $12480 over 10 years

    Multiplied by 500 employees …

    Now add compound interest! Let’s say 10% (less than the loans they may have needed to SURVIVE!

    And this has been going on since at least 2009 …

    And you blame the people being underpaid … shame … shame … shame …

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2020 8:33 pm

    TB, every country that experiences sunshine wants to develop solar energy. Ditto wind.

    The Netherlands run their rail system on SOLAR … Germany and Austria are covered in solar panels … I was astounded when I saw them …

    The wind farms around the coasts of France, Holland, Denmark would astound even you!

    Carbon sequestration allows coal to continue to be used and phased out over time.

    It works best with gas, not coal … read the science … not the LNP Notes For Today!

    It is in Australia’s direct economic interest to research and develop carbon sequestration, and export both the mineral and the value adding technology.

    No. its not … its in Australia’s interests to research, develop, manufacture and export the renewable energy solutions to the World … like most people you are frightened of change … or you are massively invested in coal – and you wouldn’t be the only one here I suspect …

    And “direct interests” probably translate into you immediate retirement interests … I’m more interested in Australia’s future …

    Only a green/left zealot person such as yourself would fail to acknowledge the sense of that.

    A couple of “corrections” here … the strike-though doesn’t lessen the insult …
    and a zealot? Nah, actually I’m a realist (and an amateur prepper) … I haven’t paid a power bill for almost ten years … have you? My water bill is 20% of average of the city I live in … and I own everything …

    I’m determined, that so will my grandchildren … and will fight with all I have for what I believe in … not ideologically, right wing, profit driven zealots! (Quote)

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 11, 2020 8:49 pm

    I was astounded when I saw them…

    Yes, I think you were probably also persuaded by the personal experience and observations of James re the Great Barrier Reef, a few years ago.

    But your comment also prices my point. Every country with sunshine has an interest in solar technology. Australia has a competitive advantage in coal and associated technology.

    For someone who spent their career in the Bowen Basin, you don’t appear to have a great deal of sympathy for the people who have made their lives and raised families in the region.

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 11, 2020 8:51 pm

    “proves my point”

  52. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 11, 2020 9:45 pm

    So Labor wants to destroy our biggest export and another big export earner, natural gas. Why is Labor so destructive?

    Is it to save the planet or is there some other reason?

  53. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2020 5:46 am

    Exploitation isn’t!

    Unless it’s your business model 😉

  54. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2020 8:23 am

  55. Walrus permalink
    February 12, 2020 8:53 am

    “I hate to be the one to say this but it’s impossible to “accidentally” underpay your staff $7.8 million.”

    What a fucking idiot Claire proves herself to be.

    How about the ABC you dickhead ?

  56. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 12, 2020 9:08 am

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-18/abc-to-begin-repaying-underpaid-staff-next-month/11713928

    Current and former employees of the ABC who were underpaid will begin receiving payments in December, after a review of more than 2,500 staff.
    Key points:
    Of the 2,575 employees reviewed by the ABC, 1,886 were underpaid
    The affected employees were paid a “flat rate” instead of penalties and overtime
    The ABC’s annual report contained a $22.98 million provision for wages and superannuation entitlements owed

    In January, the ABC admitted it had underpaid casual staff and launched a review of casual workers employed between November 2012 and December 2018.

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 12, 2020 9:14 am

    Yes, the ABC can’t even pay casuals correctly. Will left types like Tom R stop listening and watching?

  58. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2020 9:23 am

    How about the ABC you dickhead ?

    Who ever said THAT was an accident

    It’s what happens when you hire politically partisan hacks to run a previously independent organisation

    like this one

    Which is why the head of ABC investigations John Lyons asked the AFP boss on Twitter:

    … how are you able to conclude investigation so quickly into Angus Taylor yet after 18 mths ABC’s Dan Oakes & Sam Clark still face possible criminal charges?

    – @TheLyonsDen, Twitter, 6 February, 2020

    It is a good question and one we put to the AFP. But — surprise, surprise — it declined to comment, except to say the investigation is “ongoing”.

    So, what’s the take home from these two episodes?

    Well, you could conclude that the police are more interested in chasing journalists who print the truth than they are in people spreading lies.

    And you could see that as the biggest failure of regulation of them all.

    https://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/episodes/taylor/11951586

    I note these journos weren’t as worried when it was only Unions they were going after, hypocritical fuckwits

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 12, 2020 9:36 am

    That’s an interesting “look over there” but…do former politicians work in the ABC’s payroll and HR department?

    There are probably 100 people working in those parts of the ABC and they still got it wrong.

  60. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 12, 2020 9:44 am

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/10/30/woolworths-underpaid-staff-300m/

    The Fair Work Ombudsman has come out swinging at Woolworths after revelations the supermarket giant owes nearly 6000 staff up to $300 million in underpaid wages dating back nearly a decade

  61. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2020 9:55 am

    do former politicians work in the ABC’s payroll and HR department?

    DOH!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/sep/26/political-interference-crisis-hits-australias-national-broadcaster

    There are probably 100 people working in those parts of the ABC and they still got it wrong.

    Yea, they never get it wrong on the side of the employee, do they?

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 12, 2020 10:02 am

    Fascinating.

    According to Tom R, the political interference causes the personnel department to underpay people by $$$$millions.

  63. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 12, 2020 10:21 am

    “”””””””””””Yea, they never get it wrong on the side of the employee, do they?”””””””””””””””

    Maybe they do but that is not against the law. I got overpaid once and I told personal and I had to refund the money. If I said nothing nobody would have known.

  64. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2020 10:26 am

    the political interference causes the personnel department to work in accordance with their bosses

    Ever heard of organizational culture?

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 12, 2020 10:32 am

    Maybe you’re right!!! It probably is the organisational culture caused by the governing party.

    The underpayment started in 2012.

    Which party was in government then?

  66. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2020 10:51 am

    The underpayment started in 2012.

    er, no, they started looking from back then.

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 12, 2020 10:58 am

    Then you’d better let your mates at the CPSU know. They seem to think it dates from 2012.

    What would they know…

  68. Know`Collusion`Teabag permalink
    February 12, 2020 11:38 am

    Politically menaced taxpayer funded legacy FakeNews outlets administered by partisan stooges tend to have `savings`, while in the colombaris industry the same rip-offs would be called `shareholderprofits`. Does anybody really believe one tunc could hold together 18-eaterys indefinitely???

    ~

    While the global cooling continues to entertain us all, l continue to enjoy watching the ice-melt doco`s and reports. Along with watching premier gladys and premier dan boring huge tunnels under the two largest towns on muppet island. (-:

    ~

    Some time ago l argued with our in-house teabags about premier gladys cluttering the roads with last centuries trotsky trolly cars, and it will only take six months for some motorist to be crashing into them. Of course, l was totally wrong. lt only took 5-weeks.

    ~

    Mittens always chokes like a dog splatters (-:

  69. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2020 11:54 am

    They seem to think it dates from 2012.

    It could, but the issue of ignoring it didn’t start until around 6 years ago. When the rot set in

    In this report, the CPSU has identified that the ABC had at least ten significant opportunities to review their casual employee payments over the last six years, and that it seemingly failed to do so.

    …………..

    The CPSU would like to know from the ABC how many of the loaded rate payment arrangements used by the ABC between November 2012 and early February 2019, met the requirements for an IFA under the ABC Enterprise Agreement.

    Click to access anything_but_casual_a_cpsu_report_into_casual_underpayment_at_the_abc.pdf

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 12, 2020 12:10 pm

    Yep the ABC started underpaying people when the ALP was in government, but it’s the Liberal’s fault!!

    Really, you just can’t own up to the fact that management under the ALP commenced the underpayment.

    Incompetent and partisan management existed under the ALP too.

  71. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2020 1:06 pm

    Yep the ABC started underpaying people when the ALP was in government,

    Maybe, maybe not

    It’s kinda irrelevant. Many clauses etc get challenged, and overturned

    The fact you seem to want to miss is, in 2014, the Union highlighted it, and was promptly fobbed off for the next four years, instead of having it rectified s it should have been

  72. February 12, 2020 1:23 pm

    It’s all the waiters’ and kitchen hands’ fault….!!

    Greedy fuckn staff, expecting to be paid…


    “Award-winning Melbourne restaurant Dinner by Heston owes $10m”

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/dinner-by-heston-debt-melbourne-restaurant-owes-10-million/d48cab7a-d114-43a2-9adf-639693b63122

  73. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2020 1:38 pm

    Greedy fuckn staff, expecting to be paid…

    Stupid fucken staff, too stupid to know what they are owed

    OR

    Too afraid to question

    OR

    simply dismissed FOR mentioning

  74. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2020 1:53 pm

    Shake hands, and “Get Fucken Used To It”

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 12, 2020 2:37 pm

    Of course!

    An industrial agreement negotiated under an ALP government, using ALP legislation and reviewed by government officers under the ALP clearance process, is used to underpay thousands of people.

    …but it’s all the Liberal’s fault!

    Hilarious!

  76. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2020 3:18 pm

    It’s more about recourse to the law yomm

    Nobody claims every arrangement is perfect, it’s why we should have recourse

    They were not allowed that recourse

  77. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2020 3:20 pm

    And if you read that document, the vast number of issues arose later in the EBA, in fact, none are identified under prior to 2014, only possibilities

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 12, 2020 3:38 pm

    So the ABC chairman appointed by the Gillard Government oversaw the whole thing?

    But blame the Liberals !!

  79. Walrus permalink
    February 12, 2020 4:00 pm

    “”Yea, they never get it wrong on the side of the employee, do they?”

    As usual again you are wrong

    “Queensland’s health department is still struggling with the SAP-based payroll platform implemented by IBM in 2010, continuing to overpay workers by close to $17 million in the last financial year.”

    https://www.itnews.com.au/news/queensland-health-continues-to-overpay-staff-millions-
    408319

    And still………………….

    “Queensland Health is chasing debts from almost 17,000 of its own staff for overpayments of $500 or less. An LNP question on notice has revealed those 16,888 employees owe Queensland Health a total of $3.4 million.

    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/queensland-health-chasing-17-000-staff-for-500-or-less-each-20190429-p51i52.html

    And again

    “The City of Fremantle will shell out half a million in back pay to underpaid staff but won’t pursue an estimated $180,000 in over payments it made to other employees.”

    https://thewest.com.au/news/fremantle/city-of-fremantle-admits-underpaying-casual-shift-workers-more-than-500000-ng-b881389699z

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 12, 2020 4:09 pm

    These issues only come up when the Coalition is in power. When Labor is in power their supporters spend most of their time trying to find mud against the Coalition. When the Coalition is in power Labor supporters spend most of their time trying to find mud against the Coalition.

    Truth for a ALP voter depends on which party is in govt

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    February 12, 2020 8:49 pm

    Australia has a competitive advantage in coal and associated technology.

    Australia has a competitive advantage in solar, hydrogen, wind power, thermal, hydro, storage and associated technology.

    Duh!

    For someone who spent their career in the Bowen Basin, you don’t appear to have a great deal of sympathy for the people who have made their lives and raised families in the region.

    Don’t be crass … I have friends, and I know their families, there! And all they really want is JOBS … I have always said that the mining industry employed the most skilled bunch of people I ever worked with … these guys (includes girls) can do anything given the opportunity … and I didn’t “spend my career there” … more of your superlatives and creative nonsense …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    How about the ABC you dickhead ?

    Anyone say look over there!?

    Even the newscorpse rag thinks yer wrong … check the survey!

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/shocking-detail-in-the-collapse-of-george-calombaris-restaurant-empire/news-story/ef32f6ff9c214a1ed815bfc24e6a6300

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Will left types like Tom R stop listening and watching?

    Pathetic attempt at partisanship … and I mean pathetic …

    DuH! See the movie on your big screen TV, “Intelligence Takes a Holiday” starring Bananaby Joke and Blob Skatter , hosted by your favourite word weaver – ToM The Terminator ttt@pathetic.com.ou again! Directed by Sooty Morrison of the latest blockbuster, “Let Them Burn” … and the award winning “Black White or Winners”

    See it on NATFLIX* NOW!

    There are probably 100 people working in those parts of the ABC and they still got it wrong.

    LINK? Or Waffle? Vote now …

    Yep the ABC started underpaying people when the ALP was in government, but it’s the Liberal’s fault!!

    But your corrupt mob didn’t DO anything they just sat on their coffee and doughnuts! Like everything else that needs a DECISION!

    …but it’s all the Liberal’s fault!

    Because its the government’s JOB to fix it … DuH!

    Nice (old) finds Wally … but employees are NOT responsible for introducing shonky payroll software – MANAGEMENT is … especially shonky SAfknP … and abortion of a software nightmare around the world!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Truth for a ALP voter depends on which party is in govt

    Poor thing … hoo boo

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    February 12, 2020 8:50 pm

    Hey thanks funsville!

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 12, 2020 10:37 pm

    Australia has a competitive advantage in solar, hydrogen, wind power, thermal, hydro, storage and associated technology.

    Duh!

    I don’t think so.

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/competitive_advantage.asp

  84. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 12, 2020 10:47 pm

    TB, you might explain why you have the opinion that Australia has a competitive advantage in the resources you’ve outlined. Because I don’t see that we are have any specific advantage over other countries.

    Whereas we are a major exporter of coal, and developing the value add of sequestration makes the export more desirable and valuable.

    There are very few countries that would benefit from the sequestration technology as much as Australia. That’s why it makes sense to invest in it.

  85. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2020 8:33 am

    So, the libs introduce a range of laws making it harder for Unions to access workplaces and highlight issues, easier for businesses to hide activities, and harder for workers to protect their rights, and an underpayment system that “may” have been introduced by some hr honcho in the dying days of the Gillard government, and then continued for YEARS not only unabated but massively expanded into the liberal governments, is all Labors fault

    that’s purely bizarro world isn’t it.

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 13, 2020 10:06 am

    The difference is – I’m not saying it was the fault of the ALP. It is typical incompetent ABC management.

    But you’re forever issuing partisan blame.

  87. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2020 11:51 am

    It is typical incompetent ABC management.

    Not arguing there, it’s what happens when you underfund organisations

    But, the solution USED to be there, the libs put paid to that.

    It’s why we see an epidemic of underpayments, and business know (knew) they could get away with it

    Until people just got fed up

  88. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 13, 2020 12:23 pm

    “TB, you might explain why you have the opinion that Australia has a competitive advantage in the resources you’ve outlined.”

    Does competitive advantage mean that these inefficient loss-making technologies require less subsidisation in Australia? Our real competitive advantage would be cheap power from coal or uranium but cuntical leftists would prefer to signal their virtue than prosper the nation.

  89. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 13, 2020 12:33 pm

    Also, scientific studies confirm the bleeding obvious: conservatives are happier, healthier and saner than leftists>.

  90. February 13, 2020 12:44 pm

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  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 13, 2020 1:05 pm

    The problem with the ABC isn’t underfunding (in my opinion).

    Their overheads are far too high (you can look up their organisation structure on their annual report). They need to look more carefully at the structure of private companies.

    It’s a public service structure, not a media one.

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 13, 2020 1:19 pm

    Yes, surprising as it seems, Republicans have better mental health than Democrats!!

    Maybe that’s because Republicans don’t think the world will end next year (or possibly the year after)

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/102943/republicans-report-much-better-mental-health-than-others.aspx

  93. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2020 1:20 pm

    They need to look more carefully at the structure of private companies.

    Like The Columbaris Group ?

    They have higher overheads, as they SHOULD be more transparent to their shareholders, US

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 13, 2020 1:35 pm

    No the ABC has a typical public service structure, lots of indirect management. People who are accountable for…who knows what?

    They need to just close departments that are there for political reasons ( and big hr/training and governance functions should be at the top of the list)

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 13, 2020 2:15 pm

    And another example of the problems caused by airline. When will they introduce a code of conduct for reclining seats?

    My suggestion seats are not to be reclined**-
    * during service of meals
    * on flights of less than 3 hours
    * during times that are not when people are unlikely to sleep

    Simple and everyone will avoid this nonsense.

    **Of course this only applies to those in economy class

    https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/travel-stories/whos-in-the-wrong-passenger-claims-man-assaulted-her-for-reclining-seat/news-story/0388ae9d5f0fc2cebd50ab5d8a7c608b

  96. February 13, 2020 2:34 pm

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  97. February 13, 2020 2:42 pm

    My suggestion seats are not to be reclined**-

    * during service of meals
    * on flights of less than 3 hours
    * during times that are not when people are unlikely to sleep

    Simple and everyone will avoid this nonsense.

    I have an opinion about this.

    On domestic flights, the seats only recline by about 2 degrees, so much so that you’d barely notice you’re in the “recline” position. In fact it’s only marginally noticeable as the “upright” position actually feels like 30 degrees forward.

    So I’m not sure what all the fuss is about tbh.

    On international flights, YoM’s suggestions make more sense.

    **Of course this only applies to those in economy class

    But of course.

  98. February 13, 2020 2:44 pm

    Speaking of people behaving badly on public transport.

  99. Tony permalink
    February 13, 2020 5:50 pm

    The Otis Group seeks to elevate a pro-coal stance within the Labor Party. Things escalated in Parliament today, giving the government side a much needed lift.

    https://indaily.com.au/news/politics/2020/02/13/coal-and-a-nice-farrell-wine-on-menu-for-labor-right-supper-club/

  100. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 5:50 am

    Taxpayer funds were directly used to buy liberal votes at the last election, with direct orders from the pms office.

    But LOOK, OVER THERE! Labor has FACTIONS! (others call it ‘a broad church)

    get real tosy

  101. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 5:58 am

    I thought they were too stupid to know.

    Or is it just that the system had become stacked against them?

    Staff from Made Establishment first made complaints to the Fair Work Ombudsman in 2015, but Calombaris and his then business partner George Sykiotis claimed the issues had been resolved.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/george-calombaris-underpayment-scandal-blows-out-to-7-8m-20190718-p5289u.html

  102. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 8:46 am

    Why won’t someone think of the millionaire celebrity chefs 😦

    oh, that’s right, the #auspol #msm did.

    #auspol , Where satire is just lifting articles from the lolstrayan

    “It just isn’t right,” Calombaris stated. “The business was running fine, everything was perfect until the union got in the way. I just don’t get it, why were they so hell bent on ruining my successful business strategy. What, so just cause my employees want to be paid the amount we said we would, we have to? What about our wants?”

    https://chaser.com.au/national/exclusive-union-victim-george-calombaris-recalls-the-horrific-tale-of-paying-his-employees/

  103. Tony permalink
    February 14, 2020 8:54 am

    get real tosy

    I think we can discuss more than one topic at a time, moderators willing. It’s Labor that is being forced to get real – on climate policy. If they go to the next election as a green-left anti-coal party, Queensland voters will make sure they spend a further three years in opposition.

    Such fun.

  104. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 9:06 am

    I think we can discuss more than one topic at a time

    lol

    That Labor is a ‘broad church’ is such a revelationary topic

  105. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 9:18 am

    Meanwhile, while tosy rambles about ‘broad churches (not the one where everyone wears a blue tie), we are beginning to see how the voting public were bought, with their own money

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s office was involved in suggesting which projects should be approved under a controversial sport grants scheme, a Senate inquiry has been told.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-13/sports-grants-senate-auditor-general-bridget-mckenzie/11962104

  106. Tony permalink
    February 14, 2020 9:20 am

    That Labor is a ‘broad church’ is such a revelationary topic

    So broad, in fact, that the Otis Sect need to hold its services in secret, lest Pope Bishop Worshipful Master Albo finds out.

    Not that broad then.

  107. Tony permalink
    February 14, 2020 9:23 am

    Meanwhile, while tosy rambles about ‘broad churches Tom R desperately tries to change the subject, whipping madly a horse he fails to realise is already dead.

  108. Counting`Chickens`Teabag permalink
    February 14, 2020 9:45 am

    The muppet island “has a competitive (dis)advantage in solar, hydrogen, wind power, thermal, hydro, storage and associated technology” when you look at the `actions` and not the slogans.

    (or the incinerated and drowned WireCo nodes, converging with a bon-phire, hail-storm, flood, tourism-drought)

    Good thing we dumped all that `pesky` manufacturing huh, hows retail going.

  109. February 14, 2020 9:53 am

    “Queensland voters will make sure they spend a further three years in opposition”

    Yeah, because they’re such an articulate and informed bunch of people.

  110. Tony permalink
    February 14, 2020 10:07 am

    Yeah, because they’re such an articulate and informed bunch of people.

    That may all be true.

    But, as evidenced by the last election, if you don’t get their votes, you don’t win government.

    So, Labor has a clear choice: call Queenslanders stupid and stay in opposition; or ‘get real’ on climate policy and have a chance of winning. Easy.

  111. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 10:20 am

    as evidenced by the last election

    You mean the one that the libs bought with taxpayers money, as was clearly shown JUST YESTERDAY

    Those sneaky broad churches, sneaking around in a public restaurant and talking on the record with #msm

  112. February 14, 2020 10:24 am

    “if you don’t get their votes, you don’t win government.

    I propose a different strategy:

  113. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 10:35 am

    I propose a different strategy:

    i feel this strategy is already under way 😦

  114. Tony permalink
    February 14, 2020 10:39 am

    You mean the one that the libs bought with taxpayers money

    Yes, yes, I’m sure sports grants were the most important single issue that determined the outcome of the last election. It had nothing to do with, say, Labor having an unelectable leader – Bill Shorten in case you’ve forgotten; or franking credits; or a whole suite of other new taxes; or coal jobs in Queensland. Everyone voted according to whether their local sporting ground got a new toilet block. 🙄

  115. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 10:52 am

    Yes, yes, I’m sure sports grants were the most important single issue that determined the outcome of the last election.

    You forgot $90 million dollars of targeted lies aimed at getting voters to think they are voting for none of the above, only to see he gave them all to the libs.

  116. February 14, 2020 11:22 am

    You also forget “death taxes”. Something that the LNP fabricated out of nowhere. A non-existent policy that was utterly false. Yet under current advertising guidelines, it’s permissible.

    Toilet blocks, rorting, and climate change policies aside, what hope does our democracy have if MPs (of any persuasion) can say absolutely anything irrespective of whether it has any foundation in fact or not and base entire election campaigns around these false claims?

  117. February 14, 2020 11:23 am

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  118. February 14, 2020 11:27 am

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  119. Tony permalink
    February 14, 2020 11:29 am

    what hope does our democracy have if MPs (of any persuasion) can say absolutely anything irrespective of whether it has any foundation in fact or not and base entire election campaigns around these false claims?

    Same as it ever was, I’m afraid.

  120. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 11:34 am

    Same as it ever was,

    Bullshit

    Gillard won without telling any lies, then got crucified for the next thee years for apparently lying

    If it lies, it’s Liberal

  121. Walrus permalink
    February 14, 2020 11:34 am

    “You also forget “death taxes”. Something that the LNP fabricated out of nowhere.”

    WRONG !

    In a Greens controlled Senate the ALP will bend to their wishes just like they did with the Carbon Tax.

    “Greens candidate Julian Burnside has backed policies to decriminalise drugs and impose death duties, during his opening moves in a bid to topple Treasurer Josh Frydenberg from the blue-ribbon seat of Kooyong.”

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/julian-burnside-backs-greens-on-death-duties-and-drugs-in-battle-for-kooyong-20190305-p511v8.html

  122. Walrus permalink
    February 14, 2020 11:55 am

    The madness of the bed wetting Cultists………………

    “How much co2 in the atmosphere is man made?

    In fact, carbon dioxide, which is blamed for climate warming, has only a volume share of 0.04 percent in the atmosphere. And of these 0.04 percent CO2, 95 percent come from natural sources, such as volcanoes or decomposition processes in nature. The human CO2 content in the air is thus only 0.0016 percent.Jan 25, 2018”

  123. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2020 12:25 pm

    You also forget “death taxes”. Something that the LNP fabricated out of nowhere.

    I was talking to someone about this recently. because I didn’t even see this during the election.

    So I had a look at the background.

    The 50% owners of the ALP (ACTU Congress) helpfully passed a resolution calling for the end of the franking credits tax rebate and an “inheritance tax”

    Then a number of union officials made various statements supporting an inheritance tax

    Then Julian Burnside, how seemed likely to hold the balance of power in the HOR, said he wanted one.

    So when the largest contributor and half owner of the ALP wants the inheritance tax, and so does the guy that the ALP is likely to provide support to an ALP government, it isn’t simply “fabricated out of nowhere”

    It’s a possibility, particularly in the context of Gillard’s deal to form government

  124. February 14, 2020 1:14 pm

    Naturally, in that case, you’ll be able to point us to the details of the so-called “death tax” policy that Labor took to the last election the YoM.

    I look forward to receiving the link.

  125. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 1:19 pm

    twas the ‘dead hand’ of the Unions lol

    Labor had ruled it out, many times

    frydemburger posted on his website it was going to be alp policy

    HE LIED, then they ALL LIED

    I hope his lies set him free

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1227534931724685312.html

    The 50% owners of the ALP (ACTU Congress) helpfully passed a resolution calling for the end of the franking credits tax rebate and an “inheritance tax”

    Oh, and …. LINK!

    (I’ll admit, it’s not as long a bow as wally’s ‘some insignificant green said something’)

    But it’s a pretty long one, and, as far as I know, NOT ACCURATE.

    link please 🙂

  126. Tony permalink
    February 14, 2020 1:25 pm

    Bullshit
    Gillard won without telling any lies, then got crucified for the next thee years for apparently lying

    Guffaw! “There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead.” Sound familiar?

    She wasn’t called Juliar for nothing.

  127. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 1:26 pm

    Guffaw!

    Tony Abbott’s former chief of staff Peta Credlin admits Labor’s climate change policy was never a carbon tax, but a label for brutal retail politics.

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/carbon-tax-just-brutal-politics-credlin

  128. Tony permalink
    February 14, 2020 1:32 pm

    ROFLMAO

    PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has admitted she promised there would be no carbon tax during the election and said circumstances had changed.
    She qualified her comments made a week before the August 2010 poll, arguing her government had wanted to legislate for an emissions trading scheme.

    “Yes, I did say that and circumstances have changed,” Ms Gillard told the Nine Network on Sunday.

    “What my vision was was to be elected as prime minister and to introduce an emissions trading scheme, which is not a carbon tax.”

    With the electorate returning a hung parliament, Ms Gillard was forced to deal with the Greens to form a minority government.

    The pact led to the establishment of a multi-party climate change committee, which included Greens members.

    Last week, Ms Gillard announced a carbon tax would begin in July 2012.

    The prime minister explained that a fixed-price period, for an interim three to five years, would effectively operate as a carbon tax.

    “A carbon tax is where you fix price,” Ms Gillard said.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.couriermail.com.au/news/national/prime-minister-julia-gillard-admits-she-promised-there-would-be-no-carbon-tax/news-story/1d590ee0830930040be734a65d275968

  129. February 14, 2020 1:36 pm

    “ROFLMAO”

    Just out of curiosity, are you genuinely “rolling on the floor laughing?”

  130. February 14, 2020 1:37 pm

    PS. I’m still waiting on Walrus’s editorial contribution.

  131. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 1:38 pm

    so, Gillard gave up on fighting the impossible fight

    That doesn’t change the fact that the perpetrator owned up to it being a political hit, that Gillard tried to deflect, after months of bullshit

  132. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 1:39 pm

    Interesting that when even the source of the lie owns up, that the winged monkeys are so locked in, even they can’t admit it.

  133. Tony permalink
    February 14, 2020 1:40 pm

    Just out of curiosity, are you genuinely “rolling on the floor laughing?”

    Without a word of a lie!

  134. Walrus permalink
    February 14, 2020 1:46 pm

    “But by far the most dangerous trend is the decline in the flow of Australian rivers: it has fallen by around 70 per cent in recent decades, so dams no longer fill even when it does rain ”

    – Tim Flannery…2007

    But yesterday ………….

    “One of the dams that provides water to Sydney has been filmed overflowing with water, after recent rainfall saw it reach 100 per cent capacity. The Nepean Dam, located about 100km southwest of Sydney, has risen almost 70 per cent in the last week alone after hundreds of millimetres of rain fell across parts of NSW in recent days. ”

    https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/nepean-dam-overflows-after-recent-wet-weather-in-nsw/news-story/b0d3571e77f912cf7a2d6e6a631b3a22

  135. Walrus permalink
    February 14, 2020 1:53 pm

    “(I’ll admit, it’s not as long a bow as wally’s ‘some insignificant green said something’)”

    Insignifant Green ay ?

    What about your ALP coalition partner’s policies………..

    “…….the implementation of a tax on dynastic wealth, targeted at those bequeathing or gifting large amounts;”

    https://greens.org.au/policies/economic-justice

  136. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 2:05 pm

    Without a word of a lie!

    PMSL

  137. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 2:24 pm

    psst, wally, that’s not a ‘death tax’

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2020 3:18 pm

    Did anyone say it was a published plan or policy of the ALP?

    I think even those that made a political point about the issue didn’t say it was a policy.

    But the ALP can thank their 50% owners for giving the issue oxygen in the first place,

  139. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2020 3:21 pm

    Tom R – If you tax a beneficiary or an estate following the death of someone, how is that not a “death tax”?

  140. February 14, 2020 3:22 pm

    So WTF are you even on about then, if it wasn’t a “plan” or “policy…??”

    It was fabricated bullshit, as I said earlier.

    Thanks for agreeing.

  141. Walrus permalink
    February 14, 2020 3:39 pm

    “So WTF are you even on about then, if it wasn’t a “plan” or “policy…??”

    Yeah right……………………just like the Carbon Tax wasn’t ALP policy in the lead up to 2010 election.

    But we got it

  142. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 3:46 pm

    Thanks for agreeing.

    PMSL (still)

  143. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 4:13 pm

    Just to add to the lies

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2020 4:21 pm

    Cut the bullshit. Which part of this is not true…

    https://joshfrydenberg.com.au/latest-news/21149/

  145. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 5:05 pm

    There was one from late 2018 where he said they were doing it, maybe he took it down?

    Still a lie that was run with Palmers millions during the campaign

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2020 5:18 pm

    So the press release from Frydenberg is correct. Thanks for agreeing with me

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2020 5:38 pm

    So the statement wasn’t “fabricated out of nowhere” , it was entirely factual.

    Combine that with the fact that the guy the ALP thought they would rely on if they were to form government (Burnside) wanted it, an inheritance tax was “possible”

  148. February 14, 2020 5:53 pm

    I once had a dream that I was Mahatma Gandhi, so I guess that’s possible too.

    But seriously, a press release from Josh Frydenberg, that’s it, that’s your proof that the so called “death tax” was a Labor policy in the lead up to the last election…??!!

    Maybe once you sober up you’ll realise how comical you look.

  149. February 14, 2020 5:55 pm

    “the statement wasn’t “fabricated out of nowhere” , it was entirely factual”

    What, according to Josh “we’ve brought the budget back to surplus” Frydenberg….??*

    😆 😆 😆

    Jesus Fkn Christ. 🙄 🙄 🙄

    *Literally unpacking the defibrillator to save me from dying from laughing.

  150. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2020 5:56 pm

    No, it’s proof that your claim that it was “fabricated out of nowhere” is isn’t true.

    Frydenberg’s press release was factual. It made no claims that were fabricated.

    I’ll accept a poem.

  151. February 14, 2020 6:01 pm

    Uh ok, so anything in a press release is now considered a fact is it.

    PRESS RELEASE

    For Immediate Distribution: 14 February 2020

    MASSIVE METEOR TO HIT EARTH AND KILL ALL LIFE BY 10:00PM TONIGHT

    Scientists have today confirmed that we are all going to die.

    Ends.

    Quick YoM, pack your bags and head for your bunker!!!

  152. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2020 6:03 pm

    Yes yomm, you are correct, that link is not what I was referring to

    Speaking of links ….

  153. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2020 6:09 pm

    No, but if you say made stuff up about a death tax, I’ve only pointed out that the statement I found was factual.

    So if you’d like to post a link of the statement that is “fabricated out of nowhere” … that would help.

  154. February 14, 2020 6:20 pm

    I’m sorry YoM but I have NFI what TF you’re on about.

    I’m not fluent in convoluted gibberish.

    As you said earlier:

    “I think even those that made a political point about the issue didn’t say it was a policy.”

    Thanks for agreeing with me.

    Poem.

  155. Tony permalink
    February 14, 2020 6:20 pm

    *Literally unpacking the defibrillator to save me from dying from laughing

    I know this is true because you said literally.

  156. February 14, 2020 6:32 pm

    Proof…

  157. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2020 7:41 pm

    It;s simple, you said the stuff was fabricated and I’d like to know which part of that press release is fabricated.

    Or even some other statement

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    February 14, 2020 8:48 pm

    The Morrison government has made it known to the owners of the Vales Point coal-fired power plant that they are likely to get an $11m grant to upgrade the facility in the May budget.

    So much for privatisation …

    The government sells an asset … the business won’t (or doesn’t want to maintain THEIR asset) so the government gives them some money millions of dollars (so much for the – surplus) … next the business will want to sell the asset at some stupidly exorbitant profit … and will avoid paying as much tax as possible – if not at all …

    LNP – economic managers may arse!

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    February 14, 2020 8:54 pm

    … and I’d like to know which part of that press release is fabricated.

    The photo at the top page … and its downhill all the way from there …

    Why do I suspect that “Look Over There’s are on the agenda again … Sooty in trouble?

  160. Tony permalink
    February 14, 2020 9:13 pm

    This is what’s happening now after the fire and the rain.

    Translation:

    Over the past few months, Australia has been suffering from natural disasters, from devastating mountain fires that have deteriorated due to drought to destructive flash floods that recently erupted when the drought suddenly ended. Maybe you see many heartbreaking photos in social software and news reports: animals are scarred, people are displaced … the mountains seem to have lost all life, but nature is obviously not as fragile as people think.

    Lili North and Denis Tymulis, two photographers from the Central Coast of New South Wales, dived into the jungle that was submerged by the fire and took these 30 hopeful photos. This is simply the legendary “recovery of all things”! A month ago, it was still a burning place, and now many tender buds sprout in the charred dead wood, and have to lament the tenacity of life.

    After reading these 30 photos, I finally understand that nature is sending us a message: after the disaster, hope is still there.

    I hope this epidemic situation will also be “in the Spring”.

    https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/X-cjBwk7s4My7JHzAklYZQ

  161. Tony permalink
    February 14, 2020 9:17 pm

    (Scroll down at link for the photos.)

  162. February 14, 2020 9:53 pm

    “I’d like to know which part of that press release is fabricated.”

    Ok, for those who are following from home, I’ll make it simple:

    “The entire press release”.

    I’m sorry if that’s not clear enough for your intellect YoM, but I have neither the time nor the crayons to try and explain it for you further.

  163. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2020 10:30 pm

    That’s very interesting.

    So I put your comment into the google blog translator, it translates as –

    “Fucked if I know, I just prefer my exaggerations to facts!”

  164. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 15, 2020 4:20 pm

    I am not up on the current sports rort saga. If there was rorting it should be condemned. Based on my investigations into previous allegations of rorting by the Coalition it could be a media beatup. Could be but who know. But I found this interesting

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/labor-denied-cash-for-cancer-centre-as-funds-flowed-to-marginals/news-story/3233da5dbfc86db0d0802152443ec7d1

    A CANCER centre, outreach services for disadvantaged youth and critical road upgrades were among projects the former federal Labor government rejected in preference for projects in must-win electorates

    In what the government claims is evidence of blatant pork-barrelling by the Rudd and Gillard ­administrations in the lead up to last year’s federal election, millions were allocated to projects in Labor-held marginal seats that an expert panel recommended not be funded……….

    But the audit of the final rounds of the RDAF shows almost half of the grant money and one in four projects funded by Labor were not supported by its appointed expert panel. Thirty-three projects judged “not of sufficient quality” to receive grants won 48 per cent of $226 million awarded just four months before the election.
    The $1 billion fund was a key commitment made by Julia Gillard to secure the support of independent MPs Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor to form minority government in 2010.
    Details of the successful grants show that two western Sydney projects were among those the government approved to receive regional grants against advice.
    In June last year, the federal Labor government announced $12m towards the development of the Western Sydney Community and Sports Centre in Penrith, which was in the marginal seat of Lindsay, held by Labor’s David Bradbury.
    In the seat of McMahon, held by Labor’s Chris Bowen, the government allocated $7.3m for the Fairfield youth and community centre.
    Both had been rejected by the panel, which advised Ms King that they were “not strong” and had “no identifiable positive impact on the broader community” to justify the grant.
    Yet while Labor funnelled money to projects in marginal electorates that were not deemed appropriate, The Australian can reveal that a wide range of worthy projects missed out.

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2020 5:36 pm

    So I put your comment into the google blog translator

    Link? Or is that a fact or fabrication?

    Two simple Yes or No answers … ie no more than a two word comment …

  166. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 15, 2020 7:13 pm

    I just saw Martin Pakula on the ABC News. Remember how the unions sought to kick Simon Crean out of parliament and install Pakula?

    That was the get square for Crean wanting to have unions control only 50% of the ALP instead of 60%

    They said Pakula was a potential leader.

    I think this demonstrates the value unions add to the ALP

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2020 11:02 pm

    I think this demonstrates the value unions add to the ALP

    What’s that got to do with sports rorts, dodgy water deals, hidden reports and general incompetence of the Sooty Punch and Judy Show?

    its 2020 do keep up!

    BTW where are my simple answers … Yes or No?

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2020 8:59 am

    America’s decision to allow the use of anti-personnel landmines is a dangerous and retrograde step that will endanger thousands of lives, including those of children, and should be publicly condemned by Australia, a coalition of human rights and arms control organisations has told the prime minister.

    With the exception of mines used in defence of South Korea, the Obama-era policy adhered to the 1997 Ottawa Convention, a legally binding treaty adhered to by 164 states, banning the use, production and stockpiling or transfer of anti-personnel mines.

    “The majority of people killed by landmines and explosive remnants of war are civilians – 71% – and more than half of all the civilians who are killed are children – 54%. This is a tragedy, which can be avoided through ending the use of anti personnel landmines – munitions to which children are particularly vulnerable.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/16/human-rights-groups-call-on-scott-morrison-to-confront-trump-over-landmines

    Trump has no knowledge of history, geography, the military, diplomacy, human behaviour, consequence and certainly no negotiation skills … he is a lizard masquerading as an orange human …

    The narrative of the Vietnam War is brutal. The decade-long conflict cost millions of lives on all sides, with casualty estimates reaching as high as over 3 million. Estimates also show that the Australian-implemented barrier minefield accounted for 97 Australian and Allied deaths and was responsible for wounding 420 soldiers in one province alone.

    https://independentaustralia.net/article-display/undoing-a-legacy-the-vietnam-wars-barrier-minefield,11413

  169. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 16, 2020 4:21 pm

    Sydney Dam levels have approx. doubled from 40% to 80% from the recent rains. Scientific advice was not to build a dam on the Shoalhaven River because it may not fill because of climate change. So science sent us down the desalination route. The Welcome Reef dam on the Shoalhaven would have filled from the recent rain.

    https://www.waternsw.com.au/supply/Greater-Sydney/greater-sydneys-dam-levels

  170. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2020 5:22 pm

    It;s simple, you said the stuff was fabricated and I’d like to know which part of that press release is fabricated.

    Is it the part where he claims Shorten had ‘flippantly remarked’ something?

    Or that the ACTU had given this ‘demand’ to Labor

    Or, as some other wit said

    “The entire press release”.

    Speaking of which. you referred to this earlier, yet I still haven’t seen it
    But, go ahead, defend obvious lies, while defending the lie of af Carbon Tax lie, admitted as such by the perpetrator

    https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/a-fake-labor-death-tax-claim-is-circulating-on-facebook-232410462.html

  171. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 16, 2020 7:37 pm

    Yeah, unions don’t make demands, they only ask politely!

    …and TB, are you familiar with sarcasm?

  172. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2020 7:51 pm

    Yeah, unions don’t make demands, they only ask politely!

    I’m asking politely

    You got a fucking link or not?

  173. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 16, 2020 7:57 pm

    Trump has no knowledge of history, geography, the military, diplomacy, human behaviour, consequence and certainly no negotiation skills …

    I’ve been a critic of Trump, but that’s mainly because of his personal behaviour (which is completely contrary to reasonable expectations of anyone in public life) and lack of experience.

    But… the US economy is growing more steadily than it has for years, and his unpredictable diplomacy isn’t necessarily unsuccessful (it’s too early to call it a failure), ditto with his negotiation style.

    Trump is likely to win a second term, and the challengers from the Democrats look hopeless and threadbare

  174. Tony permalink
    February 16, 2020 8:33 pm

    Fire Fight concert. Surely Brian May can afford a nice pair of dacks and a haircut.

  175. Tony permalink
    February 16, 2020 9:03 pm

    Haha. Queen opens for Hilltop Hoods.

    #fknkiddingme

  176. Tony permalink
    February 16, 2020 10:25 pm

    Movie stars. Is there anything they don’t know?

  177. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2020 10:43 pm

    Movie stars. Is there anything they don’t know?

    But you and me ain’t no movie stars.

  178. Tom R permalink
    February 17, 2020 8:47 am

    Fascist much?

  179. February 17, 2020 9:57 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2020 10:04 am

    …and TB, are you familiar with sarcasm?

    Yep, I use it all the time … especially replying to most of your comments …

    They always seem so sure of themselves … 🙂

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2020 10:06 am

    Trump is likely to win a second term, and the challengers from the Democrats look hopeless and threadbare

    I agree with that … but unlike you I won’t be jumping on board the roller coaster – just because he will win a second term …

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2020 10:09 am

    Fascist much?

    Welcome to the 51st State …

    Aussie! Aussie! Aussie!

    Hope he runs as an independent in the next election … at least I’d have someone to vote for!

  183. February 17, 2020 11:25 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  184. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 17, 2020 11:40 am

    Tony Windsor has always been such a reliable source of self serving and vindictive gossip

  185. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 17, 2020 11:57 am

    Tony Windsor suffers from the same bitter delusions as Barnaby Joyce, both –
    * are motivated by an overblown sense of self importance
    * have ambitions far beyond their intelligence and ability
    * motivated by bitter disloyalty
    * are fat and bald

  186. Tom R permalink
    February 17, 2020 1:53 pm

    Wasn’t the guy on the news saying it?

    Yet it’s Windsors fault

    Guess who’s fault this is (hint, it ain’t the Unions)

  187. February 17, 2020 2:21 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  188. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2020 2:22 pm

    TomR

    I bought a bottle of garlic cloves from ALDI a few weeks ago. Got home and noticed it said Made in China on the bottle.

    In the 1970’s we made most things here, TV;s, radios, washing machines, fridges. Now it is all gone. We are even importing lots of food now. When Ford announced they were leaving when Gillard was PM the auto industry was dead. Auto industry died because people stopped buying aussie made cars

    Telling lies helps nobody.

  189. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2020 3:11 pm

    The closing of Liddell isn’t about market forces. Market forces in that sector have been displaced by subsidies and mandated use of energy inefficiently produced by rusty eagle mincers and solar scrap-heaps. This means AGL can make more money denying the people of NSW access to cheaper and more reliable power.

  190. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2020 4:36 pm

    Exactly just follow the money. When renewables are getting billions in subsidies and coal fired power stations get nothing what would you do if you were a business man?

  191. Tom R permalink
    February 17, 2020 4:41 pm

    Coal is already oversubsidized and is uneconomical even then

    If Holden got a fraction of the subsidies coal got it would be making submarines right now

  192. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2020 5:31 pm

    Coal mining is the next industry Labor wants to destroy most probably followed by natural gas. Having us live in caves is the goal of ALP/Greens

  193. Tom R permalink
    February 17, 2020 5:56 pm

  194. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2020 6:14 pm

    Tweets a bit deceitful. Holden is getting out of the right hand drive market. We import all our cars now anyway. Some just wont have the Holden badge on them.

    But it is a worry we don’t make things here anymore. Next on Labors list is to destroy our coal industry followed by natural gas

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2020 7:42 pm

    Reacting to the announcement on Monday, Morrison said he was “angry” about the decision, “like I think many Australians would be”.

    “Australian taxpayers put millions into this multinational company,” he said.

    “They let the brand just wither away on their watch. Now they are leaving it behind. I think that’s very disappointing, that, over many years, more than $2bn was directly provided to General Motors for the Holden operations.

    “I think the fact they took money from Australian taxpayers for all those years just to let the Holden brand wither on their watch, I think is disappointing.

    “I think at the end of the day it shows throwing all that taxpayer money at them … they were never going to respect that.”

    Oh, dear, Sooty … if you feel so “angry” … offer a grant to anyone willing to manufacture Holdens (who owns the logo and name?) again … electric would be good! The first Australian production electric car … wow, Sooty, history books here we come!

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2020 7:55 pm

    * are motivated by an overblown sense of self importance
    * have ambitions far beyond their intelligence and ability
    * motivated by bitter disloyalty
    * are fat and bald

    Unlike anyone from Melbourne … thank goodness,ToM

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The closing of Liddell isn’t about market forces. Market forces in that sector have been displaced by subsidies and mandated use of energy inefficiently produced by rusty eagle mincers and solar scrap-heaps. This means AGL can make more money denying the people of NSW access to cheaper and more reliable power.

    So, proves, rebs, comment is right then …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    As for Kneels usual non-researched LNP bullshit : (or, Mordoc News Corpse Stupid News for Stupider people)

    When renewables are getting billions in subsidies and coal fired power stations get nothing

    IMF says fossil fuel subsidies in Australia amount to nearly $1,200 per person, or a total of $29 billion. New analysis commissioned by the International Monetary Fund has shown that global fossil fuel subsidies continue to grow, despite the growing urgency of the need to decarbonise the global economy.May 13, 2019

    Renewable energy subsidies Australia
    82% of subsidies is concentrated in the Australian Government’s ‘Clean Coal Technology’, with the remaining 18% of funds allocated to the renewable energy ‘Project Solar Systems Australia’ $75 million. The LETDF is a new subsidy scheme aimed at fossil fuel energy production started in 2007.

  197. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2020 7:57 pm

    Having us live in caves is the goal of ALP/Greens

    FUCK! I always thought you did!*

    *sarc (Ref. ToM)

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2020 8:05 pm

    Holden is getting out of the right hand drive market

    You mean GM is getting out of …

    Read the HISTORY here!

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-11/timeline-holden-history/5150240

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2020 8:07 pm

    Eventually some people catch up!

    The Victorian Liberal Katie Allen has declared the world is approaching an “iPhone moment” when it comes to new technology lowering greenhouse gas emissions, and Australia needs to be part of the revolution, rather than being a technology “taker”.

  200. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2020 8:07 pm

    TB

    A coal mine is where people dig coal out of the ground. A coal fired power station is where people burn that coal to produce electricity. A coal mine may get subsidies but coal fired power stations don’t. Anyway Qld gets $3.7B from coal mining royalties so whatever money they as a State govt gives in subsidies they more than get back in royalties

    PS I highly doubt that $29B IMF number

  201. Tony permalink
    February 17, 2020 8:08 pm

    Guess who’s fault this is (hint, it ain’t the Unions)

    Let me guess … the Australian government? ScoMo himself?

    The company also announced that it had signed a binding term sheet with Great Wall Motors to purchase GM’s Rayong vehicle manufacturing facility in Thailand; and would withdraw Chevrolet from the domestic market in Thailand by the end of 2020.

    https://www.speedcafe.com/2020/02/17/gm-confirms-retirement-of-holden-brand/

  202. Tony permalink
    February 17, 2020 8:15 pm

    TB, you forgot to provide a link for the fossil fuel subsidies article. It’s okay, though, I found it. This bit put things in pespective for me:

    China leads all countries in the level of subsidies provided to fossil fuels, which the IMF report estimated to total $1.4 trillion in 2015. The United States followed with $649 billion in subsidies, Russia with $551 billion and the EU with $289 billion.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/reneweconomy.com.au/global-fossil-fuel-subsidies-reach-5-2-trillion-and-29-billion-in-australia-91592/amp/

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2020 8:27 pm

    TB, you forgot to provide a link for the fossil fuel subsidies article

    No I didn’t, it was easy enough to find but that’s not my source … as you proved … the point was Kneel’s burble from 2GB … 3AW … 4BC …

  204. Tony permalink
    February 17, 2020 8:28 pm

    👉🏼 One of these men ran into the fires to save lives, the other one ran away, and lied about it… Guess which one got the sack?

    I dunno. This one?

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2020 8:28 pm

    … the Australian government? ScoMo himself?

    Brilliant … but play with the corporates get burnt by the corporates … good stuff … eventually everyone catches up …

  206. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2020 8:29 pm

    Tony

    It also says where that alleged $29B in subsidies coal mines in Australia gets

    The under-pricing of fossil fuels, particularly coal, was found to be the largest source of effective subsidy. When the wider social and environmental costs of fossil fuels were taken into account, the IMF found that price paid for coal was typically less than half of its true cost.

    What the hell does that mean? A normal person would think a subsidy is something a govt gives a company not underpricing of something they sell

  207. Tony permalink
    February 17, 2020 8:32 pm

    No I didn’t, it was easy enough to find but that’s not my source

    Fair enough. What is your source then? I’d like to read the full article you quoted from.

  208. Tony permalink
    February 17, 2020 8:38 pm

    A normal person would think a subsidy is something a govt gives a company not underpricing of something they sell

    Interesting point Neil. There exists a market for coal. Whether “that price paid for coal was typically less than half of its true cost” or not, it is not a ‘subsidy’ in the way that word is commonly used.

  209. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2020 8:43 pm

    BTW that article is doing the rounds in leftie circles showing Australian govts get $29B in subsidies from the govt. So I read it and it said the subsidy was underpricing coal. Whatever that is.

  210. Tom R permalink
    February 17, 2020 10:25 pm

    There’s not much better than seeing a RWFW telling another RWFW that they’re nothing but a RWFW

    It doesn’t change the message, just makes ot taste a little sweeter

  211. Tom R permalink
    February 17, 2020 10:49 pm

  212. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2020 11:41 pm

    I would suspect the PM of Australia takes Public Service advice what cars to buy since peoples lives could be at stake.

    Lefties just playing politics with the death of the auto industry. making no useful comments and most probably telling lies.

  213. Tom R permalink
    February 17, 2020 11:47 pm

    The top-of-the-line Holden Caprice was recommended by the Attorney-General’s Department in 2012 as the preferred option for a fleet of nine specialised blast-proof VIP vehicles to be used by the Prime Minister and other dignitaries, according to confidential government documents.

    The revelation appears to contradict reported Abbott government sources as saying Holden had not even submitted a bid in the tender because the car-maker simply ”was not interested”.

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott.
    Prime Minister Tony Abbott.CREDIT:ALEX ELLINGHAUSEN

    Holden viewed that claim, which appeared in a News Corp newspaper on Wednesday, just hours before the US-owned car maker announced its withdrawal, as part of a deliberate negative backgrounding campaign by Coalition ministers to make Holden look uncommitted to Australia.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/claims-holdens-lost-government-vehicle-contract-was-part-of-a-vendetta-20131212-2zabq.html

  214. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2020 11:52 pm

    Like I said I doubt the PM would make a decision like that. He would go on Police advice. To do anything else would be insane.

    Come back when you have proof why the BMW choice was made. I think you are just playing politics and trying to make trouble

  215. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2020 12:10 am

    https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/bmw-caught-in-government-fleet-controversy-40638/

    December 2013

    Rumblings were heard even before the last federal election, when it was revealed that the Australian Federal Police had opted to buy the BMW X5 to escort dignitaries.
    The resulting media frenzy drove the AFP to issue a ‘clarification’ in August, outlining the reasoning behind the decision. In the statement, the AFP observed that it “requires a proportion of dignitary protection fleet to be armoured…..Furthermore, the article carried counterclaims from Holden that it had shown no interest in bidding. According to the report, a Holden spokesperson refuted government suggestions that Holden made no effort to bid.
    Amusingly, the writer succeeded in bundling this matter in with speculation at the time that Holden would announce the cessation of local manufacturing – which has since occurred. Somehow, presumably, sales of nine high security limousines would keep Holden building cars in Australia.

  216. February 18, 2020 7:28 am

    ” There exists a market for coal. “

    Indeed. But it’s a declining one.

    “Germany is shutting down its coal industry for good.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-18/australia-climate-how-germany-is-closing-down-its-coal-industry/11902884

  217. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2020 8:19 am

    Again, for the slower ones

    “Holden viewed that claim, which appeared in a News Corp newspaper on Wednesday, just hours before the US-owned car maker announced its withdrawal, as part of a deliberate negative backgrounding campaign by Coalition ministers to make Holden look uncommitted to Australia.”

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/claims-holdens-lost-government-vehicle-contract-was-part-of-a-vendetta-20131212-2zabq.html

  218. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2020 8:57 am

    “Germany is shutting down its coal industry for good.”

    Interesting, but it’s likely to have little if any effect on the coal market.

    Coal is a global industry, with coal mined commercially in over 50 countries and used in over 70. Coal is readily available from a wide variety of sources in a well-supplied worldwide market.

    Coal can be transported to demand centres quickly, safely and easily by ship and rail. A large number of suppliers are active in the international coal market, ensuring a competitive and efficient market. Coal markets today are very dynamic: a variety of qualities are traded, new price indexes have been created for different qualities in different regions and an increasing amount of paper trading is taking place.

    https://www.worldcoal.org/coal/coal-market-pricing

  219. February 18, 2020 9:29 am

    “The World Coal Association is a membership association, representing the coal industry at the global level.”

    Well colour me surprised they would only have positive things to say about the coal market.

    🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄

    What’s your next link – a press release from Matt Canavan….?

    😆

  220. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2020 9:34 am

    They really are a nest of vipers

    Actually, the Governments reason for being is “duty of care”

    Dog help us if the court finds in their favour

  221. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2020 9:41 am

    The point is for any coal transaction there needs to be a willing buyer and a willing seller, creating a market price. The so-called “true cost” of coal – not the cost of production – as determined by the IMF is irrelevant, and their claims that this represents some kind of subsidy is laughable. It’s almost as if the IMF has an agenda when it comes to fossil fuel.

  222. Walrus permalink
    February 18, 2020 9:52 am

    Meanwhile in the Land of the Rising Sun……………..

    “Japan is planning to build as many as 22 new coal plants at 17 different sites over the next five years, The New York Times reports,…..”

    https://www.ecowatch.com/japan-new-coal-plants-2645025570.html

  223. Walrus permalink
    February 18, 2020 10:11 am

    And of course the EU depends on biomass for 60% of its renewable energy……..

    “A group of plaintiffs from Estonia, France, Ireland, Romania, Slovakia, Sweden, and the US are filing a lawsuit against the European Union on Monday (4 March) to challenge the inclusion of forest biomass in the bloc’s renewable energy directive. If they get their way, this could deprive the EU of an energy source which currently makes up close to 60% of the bloc’s renewables, more than solar and wind power combined.”

    “The treatment of biomass as carbon neutral runs counter to scientific findings” showing that burning wood for energy typically emits 1.5 times more CO2 than coal and 3 times more than natural gas, the plaintiffs point out.”

    https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/eu-dragged-to-court-for-backing-forest-biomass-as-renewable-energy/

    Who would have thought burning firewood might be a bad idea compared to Coal ?

  224. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2020 10:13 am

    Berlin has announced a timetable to close not only every remaining brown coal mine but all the carbon-emitting power plants that burn coal to make electricity, by 2038 … And the Government will give tens of billions of dollars to coal regions to create new jobs and industries.

    Okay, so Germany is giving itself 18 years to exit coal. And the tens of billions it is spending is effectively a subsidy for renewables.

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2020 10:14 am

    I’ve always laughed at companies who burble about the importance of “loyalty” to everyone but themselves …

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/supermarket-giant-coles-reveals-staff-payment-issue-setting-aside-20-million-to-cover-costs/news-story/ed9a01f9d2d1200c7dcaa52cae4183f8

    Profits of the Dogs!

    Given Morrison has demonstrated a contempt for the truth and accountability no one should be surprised. Worst govt ever!

    Just hope and preyers!* All of them!

    *sacastic play on words (Re ToM)

  226. February 18, 2020 10:16 am

    “It’s almost as if the IMF has an agenda when it comes to fossil fuel.”

    What, and the World Coal Association doesn’t….??

  227. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2020 10:17 am

    Okay, so Germany is giving itself 18 years to exit coal. And the tens of billions it is spending is effectively a subsidy for renewables.

    Exactly what should happen in North Queensland … if we had a creative action government … instead of hope and preyers …

  228. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2020 10:18 am

    LOL! @ reb! 8)

  229. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2020 10:19 am

    What, and the World Coal Association doesn’t….??

    Of course they do. The clue is in the name.

  230. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2020 10:21 am

    Bad formatting above. Should be …

    Berlin has announced a timetable to close not only every remaining brown coal mine but all the carbon-emitting power plants that burn coal to make electricity, by 2038 … And the Government will give tens of billions of dollars to coal regions to create new jobs and industries.

    Okay, so Germany is giving itself 18 years to exit coal. And the tens of billions it is spending is effectively a subsidy for renewables.

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2020 10:24 am

    Company hit by shutdown in China and says it will fail to meet quarterly revenue target

    Sums up the world priorities pretty well …

    Oh, Dear … all that profit … its a fkn global epidemic!

    And they weren’t hit … the employees were with a killer virus … fuck the folks — make more money …

    So whose gonna buy iPhones if they’ve all carked it?

    PS – do you disinfect stuff you buy online?

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2020 10:25 am

    Bad formatting above. Should be …

    Figured that out ToSY, no probs … (I do it all the time – you probably noticed)

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2020 10:27 am

    A flexible solar “skin” that could be used to generate power on homes, cars and phones is a step closer to development after the technology was used to break a world record for electricity conversion, researchers say.

    Engineers at the University of Queensland have been working with nanoparticles known as quantum dots that pass electrons and generate an electrical current when exposed to solar energy.

    The dots can be printed on flexible sheets that have the potential to be used as a transparent skin to power devices including mobile phones and electric vehicles, and applied to windows and other surfaces.

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2020 10:28 am

    Jeff Bezos, the Amazon founder and Washington Post owner, announced on Monday that he was donating $10bn to save the Earth’s environment – barely a month after it was revealed Amazon threatened to fire employees who spoke out about the company’s role in the climate crisis.

    The new Bezos Earth Fund will start distributing the money this summer, the multi-billionaire said in an Instagram post to his 1.4 million followers.

    “I want to work alongside others both to amplify known ways and to explore new ways of fighting the devastating impact of climate change on this planet we all share,” Bezos said in the post.

  235. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2020 10:31 am

    And the ABC doesn’t have an agenda. This is just an innocent word choice that isn’t meant to evoke an emotional response or anything.

    Having already extinguished black coal, Germany is now doing the same to brown coal — a cheaper, dirtier fossil fuel that spews even more carbon emissions.

    If you were truly just reporting the facts you’d say something like “that emits more CO2 than black coal”.

  236. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2020 10:37 am

    The new Bezos Earth Fund will start distributing the money this summer

    I wonder if he’s treating this like an investment fund, putting in seed capital to those with promising ideas. Or just giving the money away.🤔 I’m tipping the first option.

  237. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2020 11:23 am

    BHP just released its results for the December 2019 half year. These are the Average realised prices for coal in US dollars per ton(ne?). They make no mention of the IMF’s “true cost” of coal.

    Metallurgical coal (US$/t) 140.94
    Hard coking coal (US$/t) 154.01
    Weak coking coal (US$/t) 101.06
    Thermal coal (US$/t) 58.55

    https://www.bhp.com/-/media/documents/media/reports-and-presentations/2020/200121_bhpoperationalreviewforthehalfyearended31december2019.pdf?la=en

  238. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 18, 2020 1:57 pm

    And now leftie types will have to stop shopping at Coles. They’ve stolen $$$ millions in wages.

    I think the left will starve

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2020 2:27 pm

    If you were truly just reporting the facts you’d say something like “that emits more CO2 than black coal”.

    Just taking a lead from 3AW, I suppose … they “spew” a lot rather than emit … unless they don’t report the facts?

    I’m tipping the first option.

    Don’t care as long as does it …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think the left will starve

    Right on cue … theft of employees wages is always amusing to you ToM

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I just finished watching last night’s Four Corners … so should you …

    Particuarly “defenders of the faith” …

    https://iview.abc.net.au/show/four-corners

    Demonstrates rampant hypocrisy and a total lack of duty of care … and a bloody good reason to stop supporting these “institutions” with public money!

  240. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2020 2:51 pm

    Just taking a lead from 3AW, I suppose … they “spew” a lot rather than emit … unless they don’t report the facts?

    Which presenter(s) in particular are you referring to? (3AW is just a call sign and cannot ‘spew’.)

  241. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2020 2:55 pm

    Just taking a lead from 3AW, I suppose

    BTW, the ABC shouldn’t be taking a lead from any other organisation. Private companies can be as partisan as they like. In contrast the ABC is funded by all taxpayers of all political persuasions and is legally obliged to be impartial.

  242. Walrus permalink
    February 18, 2020 3:20 pm

    “In contrast the ABC is funded by all taxpayers of all political persuasions and is legally obliged to be impartial”

    With the exception of Rural broadcasting on TV and radio I say let them be left leaning then make them do this………………………

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10973379/bbc-licence-fee-scrapped-subscription-service/

    If you have a pension card you get it for free

  243. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2020 3:40 pm

    Scott Phillips of The Motley Fool wrote this on 17th January:

    The really bad news? If and when Holden’s parent, General Motors, gets around to looking closely at an orphan brand…

    …in a tiny market…

    …on the other side of the world…

    It’s going to swing the axe.

    Sad, but true.

    https://us3.campaign-archive.com/?u=0d1d0582254b8399936e6130e&id=40269acfe3&e=eb6f46bd2f&utm_source=AU+Take+Stock+List&utm_campaign=8829f6bdf9-AU_TS_18022020_M_TS_Vale_Holden&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_25abfb5dac-8829f6bdf9-82161333&mc_cid=8829f6bdf9&mc_eid=78de93905e

    And yet this is all somehow Scott Morrison’s fault – if you believe auto market analysts like Tom R of Port Adelaide.

  244. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 18, 2020 3:44 pm

    Yes, the ABC is job creation for left/green types. It should reflect the diversity of opinion that exists among the people that pay for it, ie the entire community.
    ——–
    TB, do you have any evidence that it was theft? Do you know anything about the awards in the retail sector?

  245. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2020 3:48 pm

    Apparently General Motors is getting out of the right hand drive market. They could have imported cars from a General Motors plant that makes right hand drive cars and then stuck a Holden badge on the car like Toyota and Ford do.

    General Motors cannot import cars into Australia because they do make cars with right hand drive anymore.

  246. Walrus permalink
    February 18, 2020 3:58 pm

    “– if you believe auto market analysts like Tom R of Port Adelaide.”

    General Motors have ceased production of right hand drive worldwide. TomR cannot work out why and expects them to continue in Australia despite that decision.

  247. Walrus permalink
    February 18, 2020 4:38 pm

    Oh it looks like they are still going to produce one car RHD. Perhaps the Bathurst rival to Ford with a 6.2 litre V8 ???????

    https://www.motor1.com/news/399180/right-hand-drive-corvette-c8-happening/

  248. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2020 5:35 pm

    General Motors have ceased production of right hand drive worldwide

    Do you blame them. The only place left they made them told them to go and get fucked. And, to make sure they got the message, they outsourced the grubmints own fleet to a company that didn’t even produce in Australia (who just happened to give the pms daughter a job, weird hey)

  249. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2020 5:41 pm

    TomR

    Did you read my link at 12.10AM? The Federal Police had already made the decision to purchase the BMW’s before Abbott was elected.

    And why did Ford leave when Gillard was PM? You lefties get the answers to the question wrong every time

  250. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2020 5:54 pm

    The only place left they made them told them to go and get fucked.

    Where, Thailand (population 69 million)? Because GM made RHD vehicles there and are selling their production plant and getting out. How you going to blame that on ScoMo?

    Also, keep your eye on Vauxhall in England. They could be next.

  251. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2020 6:00 pm

    “After all, [he] was a member of the Cabinet that back in 2013 and 14 decided that they would not support the car industry any further”.

    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6133315357001

    I did nil. It’s a blathering of bullshit. As the Attorney-General’s Department papers showed, Holden HAD in fact put in an offer, for armoured cars

    The fact that “somebody” lied about them not doing so just shows the contempt the grubmint were showing an Australian iconic Manufacturer as it forced them out of the cuntry

  252. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2020 6:05 pm

    I see #auspol #msm are crafting their own reality again, muppets

  253. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2020 6:08 pm

    So what? The Federal Police made the decision, not the PM to buy the BMW’s before Abbot won govt.

    And just more garbage about the Coalition not supporting the car industry. Subsidies are still available and you can apply here

    https://www.business.gov.au/Grants-and-Programs/Automotive-Transformation-Scheme

  254. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2020 6:22 pm

    I see #auspol #msm are crafting their own reality again, muppets

    I see. Then are you with Postman Pat Fireman Paul, or against him? Or does it depend on the topic i.e. if he’s dissing Morrison I’m for him; if he’s lauding Paulune I’m deserting him. Because that’s what’s happening on Twitter, like it or not.

  255. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2020 6:22 pm

    The fact that they lied about Holden’s proposal should warn you of everything else they “allegedly” said nil 😉

  256. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2020 6:31 pm

    Who lied? And what has the Attorney general got to do with purchasing bullet proof cars? Wouldn’t the Federal Police make that decision? And they did. They purchased the BMW’s while Abbott was in Opposition

  257. Tom R permalink
    February 18, 2020 7:00 pm

    if he’s dissing Morrison I’m for him; if he’s lauding Paulune I’m deserting him.

    As some wit said

    “There’s not much better than seeing a RWFW telling another RWFW that they’re nothing but a RWFW”

    I’m not ‘wiv’ or ‘wivout’ anyone in this. I just agree when he so pointedly highlighted morrisons shortcomings

    Who lied?
    “Senator Carr described the assertion Holden was not capable of meeting the standards required as ”patently untrue”.”

  258. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2020 7:11 pm

    I just agree when he so pointedly highlighted morrisons shortcomings

    Of course you did. And Twitter wanted to canonise him. Right up to the point when he praised another one of their enemies. So inconvenient.

  259. February 18, 2020 7:23 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  260. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2020 7:35 pm

    ‘The Left’ didn’t give a fuck about the politics – just the perceived injustice.

    😂🤣😅

    Mike Carlton, spokesperson for ‘The Left’. Is he still hash tagging #Istandwithfiremanpaul?

    Didn’t think so.

  261. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2020 8:37 pm

    Around 10 years or so ago I briefly and ironically used the handle RWNJ. In the last day or so Tom R has quoted ‘some wit’ using the term RWFW. I’d never seen this before, but surely it says something about our ‘progress’ since then.

    Disclaimer: I swear like a trooper so I’m not judging. I’m merely making an observation.

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2020 9:19 pm

    Whatever happened to compassion … oh, they put a happy clappy, hope and prayers hypocrite in power … denial seems to be a part of the “religious ethic” these days … from pedophilia, LGBTI, climate change, to welfare and assistance for old, poor, disanbled …

    A federal government has the ultimate duty of care to every citizen of Australia …

    The government has claimed it does not owe welfare recipients a duty of care over the robodebt scandal and has denied alleged debtors were placed under “duress”, despite admitting in court documents that some debts were based on “false” assumptions.

    As the Coalition refuses to provide its legal advice about the scheme to a Senate inquiry, documents filed in the federal court reveal the government has conceded that debts issued using tax office income summaries could “not be validly established” under the law.
    Coalition warned robodebt scheme was unenforceable three years before it acted
    Read more

    But in the documents, obtained by Guardian Australia, the government argues it should not be required to pay compensation because social security law makes no mention of a need to exercise “due or reasonable care”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/18/coalition-says-it-has-no-duty-of-care-for-welfare-recipients-over-robodebt

    God Save The Queen because nothing will save Sooty & Co.

  263. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2020 9:22 pm

    TB, do you have any evidence that it was theft? Do you know anything about the awards in the retail sector?

    By your comment earlier … do you?

  264. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2020 9:32 pm

    Disclaimer: I swear like a trooper so I’m not judging. I’m merely making an observation.

    Me too and I think RWFW has a better “ring” to it than RWNJ … and I like the acronymic pattern RW— FW …

    Why does every discussion anywhere on the interwebby have to be, left – right, anyway … I actually agree with Carlton … I just agree with Fireman Paul’s comments re Sooty …

    There’s some stuff I agree with on the right … I just can’t think of any right now …

    There’s some stuff I disagree with … but I’ve run out of crayons … again …

  265. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2020 9:50 pm

    TB

    Robodebt was started by Labor in 2011 when they relaced humans with computers to data match between the ATO and Centrelink

    Coalition made one change in 2016 which was illegal. They used income averaging (whatever that is) to determine income rather than fortnightly statements. And apparently that is it, Income averaging to determine income is against the law for some reason

    But Robodebt was started by Labor in 2011 to recover more money

  266. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2020 10:43 pm

    Go.To.Bed.Kneel!

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2020 10:50 pm

    FUCKING UNIONS!*

    The Shop, Distributive and Allied Employees Association (SDA) national secretary Gerard Dwyer said the underpayments were uncovered as part of an industry-wide audit initiated by the SDA in November.

    That audit, which involved the SDA approaching Coles and more than 100 other major retailers to audit their salaried employees, came after a number of underpayments were uncovered in the retail sector last year.

    “The union has been communicating with its members throughout the retail sector since late October, advising them of their rights and offering to assist any of them who believed they may have suffered from underpayment,” Mr Dwyer said.

    “While all underpayments are wrong and should never occur, especially not in a major retailer with sophisticated accounting systems, the SDA acknowledges Coles has constructively engaged the SDA in its industry-wide audit.

    *Re: ToM – that’s constructive sarcasm, mate! Hey! 😛

  268. Tony permalink
    February 19, 2020 8:49 am

    “While all underpayments are wrong and should never occur, especially not in a major retailer with sophisticated accounting systems, the SDA acknowledges Coles has constructively engaged the SDA in its industry-wide audit.

    Gee, this seems to be a calmer, more rational approach than that taken in the Colombaris case. I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact the SDA pays Coles 10% of the union fees Coles compulsorily deducts from workers’ wages?

    (It appears we no longer need to provide links, so I recommend Google as a good place to start.)

  269. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2020 9:50 am

    Wag the Dog

  270. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2020 9:52 am

  271. February 19, 2020 9:55 am

    “It appears we no longer need to provide links”

    So I see.. A press release, regardless of the source will suffice as ‘factual information,’ apparently (at least according to YoM, anyway)..

  272. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 19, 2020 10:06 am

    So Target is also guilty of theft!

    On a positive note, the left will still be able to buy clothes, unless Lowe’s and Kmart have also stolen wages!

  273. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2020 10:21 am

    And did you see the headline, ToM

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/target-comes-forward-with-wage-theft-wage-theft-of-9-million-wesfarmers-reveals/news-story/a5ed484e5fb7d0f73a244dc62b7ace4c

    The Coalition have restricted union access to workplaces and wage records. Fix this and you fix the problem.

    Fucking unions! BOO!

  274. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2020 10:26 am

    I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact the SDA pays Coles 10% of the union fees Coles compulsorily deducts from workers’ wages?

    And guess who controls the SDA? Catlicks!

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2020 10:27 am

    Which presenter(s) in particular are you referring to? (3AW is just a call sign and cannot ‘spew’.)

    Oh, the old “name me one” dodge … ALL of ’em!

  276. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2020 10:28 am

    So Target is also guilty of theft!

    They all are. It’s a business model the coalition have pushed for and succeeded in obtaining.

    Celebrate the victory

  277. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2020 10:28 am

    On a positive note, the left will still be able to buy clothes, unless Lowe’s and Kmart have also stolen wages!

    St Vinnies have some really nice board shorts …

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2020 10:31 am

    Celebrate the victory

    Oh, he is, gloatingly … sick really …. these are part-time/casual employees usually and every $ counts … obviously ToM ain’t been there … he thinks Compassion is girl grunge band …

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2020 10:38 am

    I might add to the comments above … all that money NOT paid to employees would have been in the economy now and churning … bit by bit the “economic” managers are destroying what used to be a fair and functioning economy …

  280. Tony permalink
    February 19, 2020 10:40 am

    Oh, the old “name me one” dodge … ALL of ’em!

    Yes, I suppose ‘Dee Dee’ is a RWNJ RWFW who ‘spews’. Have you even listened to 3AW?

    https://www.3aw.com.au/dee-dee-dunleavy-to-host-3aw-afternoons-in-2020/

  281. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2020 10:40 am

    I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact the SDA pays Coles 10% of the union fees Coles compulsorily deducts from workers’ wages?

    I wonder if that had anything to do with howard removing the right of payment of union dues by payroll deduction?

    In other words, howard is costing Union members 10% of their fees because of his pettiness

  282. February 19, 2020 10:47 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  283. Tony permalink
    February 19, 2020 10:50 am

    A couple more members of the VRWC:

    https://www.3aw.com.au/show/3awbreakfast/

  284. Tony permalink
    February 19, 2020 10:51 am

    It’s curious how these payment ‘errors’ never seem to involve over payments to workers.

    I think you’ll find Walrus cited examples of exactly that.👆

  285. Tony permalink
    February 19, 2020 10:58 am

    Dennis is definitely a spewed.

    https://www.3aw.com.au/show/nights-with-denis-walter/

  286. Tony permalink
    February 19, 2020 11:00 am

    And Rex also.

    https://www.3aw.com.au/show/the-fishing-show/

  287. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 19, 2020 11:02 am

    For people interested in what Robodebt is or what is now being called Robodebt read this link.

    https://law.blogs.latrobe.edu.au/2019/11/28/so-this-robodebt-thing-sounds-big-what-do-you-need-to-know/

    What is a robodebt?

    At law, it is the combination of two discredited, blunt ideas:

    1. The crude assumption that annual ATO PAYG returns can be averaged (divided by 26) and substituted for the person’s original reporting, producing a debt. This doesn’t work because the social security law demands calculation based off fortnightly earned (not received) gross income. Earnings vary, people are in and out of work, have complex deductions and working credits.

    2. Reverse onus: the principle that unless the person produces a raft of payslip or financial information, the ATO data constitutes adequate supporting material to establish a debt.

  288. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2020 11:34 am

    I think you’ll find Walrus cited examples of exactly that

    plural?

    Hey nil, has anyone reminded you yet today, yor a fucking idiot.

    RWFW?

    Could it be because, as impossible as it sounds, the nutjobs have become actual fukwits

  289. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 19, 2020 11:44 am

    TomR

    I am glad you think I am an idiot because most things you say are wrong.

    But at least I do not mislead and deceive people like you lefties do

    BTW in 2007 I was told “the lying rodent” when PM introduced a new rule. Work one hour and you are employed. The “one hour rule” has been used in Australia since 1960 when the Labor Force Survey started

    https://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/D3310114.nsf/home/labour+force+explained

    The ‘one hour rule’ is used internationally and allows employment figures to be compared with other countries. It has been used in Australia since the Labour Force Survey began, enabling comparisons to be made over a long period of time.

  290. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2020 11:55 am
  291. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2020 12:06 pm

    Ultimately, the point is this: people who are wrong about some things can be right about other things. That seems blindingly obvious when written down.

    Unless yor a RWFW!

    https://junkee.com/paul-paker-pauline-hanson-politics/242547

  292. Tony permalink
    February 19, 2020 2:22 pm

    The LWDHs are desperately trying to dig themselves out of the #saintpaulthefirey hole they dug for themselves.🙄😂

  293. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 19, 2020 2:55 pm

    Robodebt as administered by the Coalition government was a sickening, unethical and illegal system of oppression. Those directly involved – senior bureaucrats and politicians who authorised or were aware of the operation of the system should be personally liable to all who suffered financial or health detriments.

    The design of the system was all wrong. The computer says you owe money so pay now and argue later. And by the way, we don’t have to prove you owe the money. It’s reverse onus so you have to prove our assessment is wrong.

    The principle architects of the system should be charged with the manslaughter of the students who took their own lives while under the severe stress inflicted on them by the corrupt system. Instead they’ll suffer no real consequences. Their jobs, pensions and benefits will remain intact. Truly they are not worth shitting on.

  294. February 19, 2020 2:59 pm

    “Truly they are not worth shitting on.”

    I think we can all agree that you’d be the best judge of that.

  295. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 19, 2020 3:07 pm

    The principle architects of the system should be charged with the manslaughter of the students who took their own lives while under the severe stress inflicted on them by the corrupt system

    Firstly Robodebt started in 2011. Coalition made some changes in 2016 which appear to have caused problems.

    But there was an allegation made that 2,020 people died due to those changes in 2016. That then morphed into all 2,020 committed suicides. That should tell you there is something wrong with that allegation. How likely is it that everyone who died due to govt policy all died the same way?

    After the 2016 changes Robodebt notices were sent to 900,000 people. Of those 2,020 died. And guess what? That is a normal death rate for a population that size. Nothing sinister about 2,000 deaths out of a population of 900,000.

    What is sinister is people using 2,000 dead bodies for political purposes

  296. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2020 4:48 pm

    Truly they are not worth shitting on.

    I AGREE!

  297. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 19, 2020 5:07 pm

    “””I AGREE!”””

    I don’t. Splatterbum needs to provide some evidence that people took their lives due to changes the Coalition made in 2016 to Labors Robodebt scheme otherwise he should apologise. And the evidence needs to be a direct link.

  298. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2020 5:53 pm

    Hey nil, has anybody told you yet today ……..

    oh, don’t bother

  299. Tony permalink
    February 19, 2020 6:43 pm

    And the evidence needs to be a direct link.

    We don’t require those here anymore, evidently.

  300. February 19, 2020 6:49 pm

    A press release, or some scribbles on the back of a coaster will be fine.

  301. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2020 7:07 pm

    Hypocrisy seems to be de rigueur these days …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/19/anthony-albanese-backs-adani-coalmine-but-criticises-proposed-collinsville-power-plant

    Albo always was always will be a wanker …

  302. Tony permalink
    February 19, 2020 7:18 pm

    Albo always was always will be a wanker …

    And yet we were told he’s Labor’s great white hope. I could never see it.

  303. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2020 7:20 pm

    We don’t require those here anymore, evidently.

    That’s a pretty low dig at yomm

    or some scribbles on the back of a coaster will be fine.

    😆

    The Australian Federal Police did not interview Angus Taylor before concluding further investigation would not substantiate whether an offence had been committed

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/19/afp-did-not-interview-angus-taylor-over-false-document-before-dropping-investigation

    Just remember, if you don’t want the answer, don’t ask the question 😉

  304. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2020 7:36 pm

    Have you even listened to 3AW?

    Well, yes and no … no ’cause its in Victoria and yes, ’cause we get the shyte here on 4BC … you do know they broadcast nationally?

    A couple more members of the VRWC:

    Now that’s painting a picture, ToSY … I have friends who listen to 4BC and oddly enough they discuss issues just like you do … coincidence?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But at least I do not mislead and deceive people like you lefties do

    That’s because you can’t with bullshit from 3AW or 2GB or 4BC its an LNP Fake News Radio Station …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The LWDHs are desperately trying to dig themselves out of the #saintpaulthefirey hole they dug for themselves.🙄😂

    Are they? I’m happy with what he said about Sooty … it was spot on … very judgmental, ToSY, “the LWDHs” (Lone Wolf Dinkum Hackers!)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Truly they are not worth shitting on.

    WELL SAID >>> splatter! And you would know! Ha! I see others beat me to it …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    We don’t require those here anymore, evidently.

    Just thought we show ToM how it feels … sorry you were collateral damage … we obviously missed the real target … I feel like a US drone pilot (nah not really)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Must tell you about my bit of fun last night … picked up in the Mustang … driven to the pistol range … signed in, and spent a half hour popping targets … .22 – .308 and eight chamber Magnum … BOOM! Great after a day proofing/correcting and writing references …

    Built a computer today … retirement is really satisfying …

  305. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2020 7:38 pm

    Just remember, if you don’t want the answer, don’t ask the question 😉

    Wonder when they get their Brown Shirts?

  306. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2020 7:39 pm

    And yet we were told he’s Labor’s great white hope. I could never see it.

    Me neither …

  307. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 19, 2020 9:56 pm

    spent a half hour popping targets … .22 – .308 and eight chamber Magnum … BOOM!

    That’s how they enjoy their leisure in Utah and Arizona too.

  308. February 20, 2020 9:48 am

    “That’s how they enjoy their leisure in Utah and Arizona too.”

    Do you have a link, press release, coaster for that?

  309. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 20, 2020 10:01 am

    “I think we can all agree that you’d be the best judge of that.”

    Yes reb (and TB), I have standards!

  310. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2020 10:41 am

    Leisure in the sunshine state

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQEJfXWdjw0M8SZy_7McBgebQ-LMZx30viwHb5xHIl66-EhJB8K

  311. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 20, 2020 11:14 am

    “I don’t. Splatterbum needs to provide some evidence that people took their lives due to changes the Coalition made in 2016 to Labors Robodebt scheme otherwise he should apologise. And the evidence needs to be a direct link.”

    Listen moron, the Coalition government was administering a rotten system. It is irrelevant who actually introduced which bit of it. The Coalition of Cuntiness is absolutely responsible for the actions taken by people who report to them. If they had even a shred of decency they could have administered the law differently or changed it. Your argument, like you, is deeply flawed. The only apology required is yours for your repulsive nagging stupidity.

    What brought this home to me was my attempt to help my neighbour’s son navigate this rotten system. He worked while studying, but had a couple of months in a psychiatric hospital where he tried to maintain his studies and deal with his issues. He didn’t work in that time and was entitled to benefits which he claimed. His income was averaged over the year, ignoring his time off work.

    He was served a demand for the immediate payment of four and half thousand dollars and was advised he could argue later. This put enormous stress on him. He was turned away from the local Centrelink office as, he was told that there was no one there qualified to deal with his problem. He had to wait a long time on the phone to talk to someone. Then, because the onus of proof is on him, he had to get all his payslips from an employer he no longer worked for and a statement he did not work in the period while he was in hospital, prove he was actually in hospital by getting a statement from his doctor and write a detailed explanation. All while trying to do his end of year assessments last year. This caused a lot of stress and grief. In the end his debt was reduced to $200. Even that was incorrect but he was completely wrung out by the process and paid it anyway.

    So here you have a kid who was carrying a full time uni load, working long hours to support himself, dealing sensibly with his mental health issues being pushed to the edge by this Kafkaesque system. The good news is he passed his exams and has moved on. He is now doing well. But he should never have been reduced to tears, fearand distress by an inhuman system inflicted on him by the Coalition goon squad.

  312. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2020 11:58 am

    The government here in Victoria is cutting emissions! That means WE should avoid bushfires.

    But NSW also had bushfires and I’m sure everyone will want them to cut emissions too, so that they don’t have more bushfires.

  313. February 20, 2020 12:21 pm

    Well said splatterbottom.

  314. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2020 12:25 pm

    “I’m sure everyone will want them to cut emissions too, so that they don’t have more bushfires.”

    Exactly lets do the sums

    1) CO2 makes up 400 parts per million of the atmostphere

    2) 95 percent come from natural sources, such as volcanoes or decomposition processes in nature so 5% is human created = 20 parts per million of the atmostphere

    3) Australia emits 1.8% of the 20 parts per million of the atmostphere

    4)So Australia’s man made contribution to CO2 is wait for it

    .36 of 1 part per million………….. yes that’s point three six of one part in a million.

    This bullshit is not about CO2 emissions otherwise all the protestors would be parked outside the Chinese, Indian and American embassies/consulates.

    But they are not.

    This bullshit is about Wealth Redistribution.

    The World could turn off all human produced CO2 but it wont stop the bushfires

  315. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2020 12:37 pm

    Spatterbum

    You dodged the question. You said this

    “”””””””””””””The principle architects of the system should be charged with the manslaughter of the students who took their own lives while under the severe stress inflicted on them by the corrupt system””””””””””””””””””

    Any evidence that people took thetr own lives due to Robodebt? Also I listed the changes made by the Coalition at 11.02AM. There were 2 main changes made by the Coalition. Here is the link again

    https://law.blogs.latrobe.edu.au/2019/11/28/so-this-robodebt-thing-sounds-big-what-do-you-need-to-know/

    Life is trial and error. They were most probably the next changes to be made in Labors Robodebt system no matter who was in power. If they are not working they should ditch them.and go back to the previous system.

    BTW the death rate under the changes made by the Coalition in 2016 is normal. 2,000 deaths out of a population of 900,000 people who received notices is a normal death rate. Nothing sinister.

    But ALP supporters said those 2,000 not only died but died by one method- suicide. It is a lie

  316. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2020 12:50 pm

    So I need to put this up, again, for the dumb one. Also, the rate of deaths for insulation installers actually went down during the “pink batts” period, and the rate of fires in roofs because of insulation also declined.

    BTW splatter, a terrible story, but, he is lucky he has a support network. So many don’t. And we just don’t hear about many of them

    “THERE ARE AT LEAST FIVE FAMILIES THAT BELIEVE A DEBT NOTICE CONTRIBUTED TO THEIR LOVED ONE TAKING THEIR OWN LIFE.”

    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2019/03/02/robo-debts-potential-toll/15514452007563

    https://www.mamamia.com.au/centrelink-robodebt-death/

  317. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2020 1:03 pm

    TomR

    U lefties are sick. You are using dead bodies for political purposes. Your article starts with the 2,000 deaths after 2016 story. But nowhere does it say that it a normal death rate for a population of 900,000 people

    You don’t care about the truth. You are using 2,000 dead bodies for political purposes

  318. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2020 1:30 pm

    That’s pretty rich nil, coming hot on the heels of “pink batts’ and “deaths at sea”

    But it’s not simply the deaths, it’s the pain and suffering that this mob continue to inflict on our own citizens.

    It’s bad enough that they do it to POC, but when they start on their own people ffs, you just now they have crossed some Rubicon moment (I daren’t say it, cos apparently “Fascist” is overused, not that it really can be in this environment)

  319. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2020 1:39 pm

    TomR

    Politicians are human. If the changes the Coalition made in 2016 to labors Robodebt are not working they should say they got it wrong and go back to what worked. Life is trial and error.

    But only a left wing media would start an article with 2,000 deaths occurred after the Coalition made a policy change. Then that morphs into there was a direct link between those 2,000 deaths and the policy change. Then that morphs into those 2,000 all committed suicide due to that policy change.

    Think about what you are as a person. You do NOT care about the truth. You are using 2,000 dead bodies for political purposes. 2,000 people dying out of 900,000 people is NORMAL

  320. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2020 1:45 pm

    Their malicious impulses know no depths it seems

    While she did not view the card as a “causal factor” for family violence, she said it was “an added factor of stress and hardship in families which may then lead to violence”.

    “They [the government] should be researching this area and not proposing extending the cashless debit card until we know what’s happening more clearly,” Klein said, describing the proposal as “shameful”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/19/cashless-debit-card-fails-to-reduce-family-violence-rates-in-kimberley-towns

  321. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2020 1:49 pm

    The SDA cop a lot of flak, but they have done well here, against the odds

  322. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 20, 2020 2:41 pm

    “I listed the changes made by the Coalition at 11.02AM. There were 2 main changes made by the Coalition. “

    As I pointed out to you, Neil, the Coalition administered the system in an unconscionable way. They are entirely responsible for that. Your argument about who made what changes when is irrelevant. At least admit that.

    “Any evidence that people took thetr own lives due to Robodebt?”

    I assumed you were smart enough to google ‘robodebt’ and ‘suicide’, but apparently not. Happily Tom R provided a link for you.

    It is the role of the government of the day to ensure that bureaucrats do not abuse the powers and discretions vested in them. In this case the government failed utterly. This seems to be a particular problem for Coalition governments. The most egregious example was John Howard’s disgusting decision to deliberately lie about refugees in the Children Overboard scandal, demonising them for his political advantage just before an election. No surprise then that this set the tone for subsequent bureaucratic overreach such as the unlawful detention of Cornelia Rau.

  323. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2020 3:25 pm

    As I pointed out to you, Neil, the Coalition administered the system in an unconscionable way. They are entirely responsible for that

    OK but I suspect whatever changes they made in 2016 were the next step. Life is trial and error. I don’t know enough to say if it was unconscionable. Apparently the illegal bit is income averaging to determine income. Why that is illegal I have no idea.

    People make mistakes and Pollies most probably more than most.

    Yeah TomR provided me a link about the suicides. Said there were 5. That is down from the 2,000 normally claimed.

    But his article starts of with the usual 2,030 deaths, implying govt policy change in 2016 caused those deaths. 900,000 people received notices and 2,000 died = a NORMAL death rate for a population that size

  324. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2020 4:02 pm

    I assumed you were smart enough to google ‘robodebt’ and ‘suicide’, but apparently not.

    Its a lie from the evil left, an urban myth that you fell for that there were 2,030 suicides due to changes the Coalition made in 2016.

  325. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2020 4:15 pm

    Neil

    With your avatar, which appears alongside all your posts, is it just a coincidence that the “mouth” of your avatar is taped up ???????

  326. February 20, 2020 4:18 pm

    “is it just a coincidence that the “mouth” of your avatar is taped up ???????”

    You look like you’re suffering the adverse effects of serious crystal meth habit on yours.

    I’m presuming it’s not a coincidence..

  327. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2020 4:26 pm

    “……..you’re suffering the adverse effects of serious crystal meth habit on yours.”

    ………..you’re suffering the adverse effects of seriously good bottle of Artemis Shiraz on yours.

    There fixed it for you

  328. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2020 4:32 pm

    I see the government has called a Royal Commission into the bushfires. That seems an expensive way of avoiding a meeting with the retired firemen.

    And…the terms of reference include advice re “practical measures” that may be taken to reduce bushfire risk and response. Some are interpreting this as meaning that our contribution to carbon emissions is being downplayed !

    Well… I for one would like to see the Royal Commission look at lots of impractical measures that we could take. I trust I speak on behalf of everyone in that respect, particularly the retired firemen

  329. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2020 4:37 pm

    “”””””””””””””With your avatar, which appears alongside all your posts, is it just a coincidence that the “mouth” of your avatar is taped up ???????”””””””””””

    Don’t know.

    Why are your eyebrows raised up and a cross in each of your eyes and a small spot in your mouth?

    PS 2030 people did not commit suicide due to Coalition changes to Robodebt in 2016

  330. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2020 5:25 pm

    Artemis Shiraz is just the Crystal Meth of the Bourgeois

    Viva La Bourbon!

    I trust I speak on behalf of everyone </i.

    I get the impression you haven't spoken on behalf of anything past your bank balance for quite some time yomm

  331. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2020 6:17 pm

    Our media is FUCKED!

  332. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2020 6:24 pm

    I get the impression you haven’t spoken on behalf of anything past your bank balance for quite some time yomm

    I’m a genuine self funded retiree… and I would like to continue to be!

  333. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2020 7:05 pm

    I’m a genuine self funded retiree

    So, skiving off the taxpayer dollars with your franking credits I suppose?

  334. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2020 7:24 pm

    I’m not sure about that.

    I retired a year ago, and this year I’ve paid enough taxes to personally employ about 4 or 5 public servants. I’m not sure that qualifies me as “skiving off the taxpayer”

    And…people should be able to plan their retirement with confidence, in a stable investment environment. Just like various governments have grandfathered the public service rort known as “defined benefit superannuation” so too should changes to retirement planning based on the franking credits

    Imagine the outrage of all the retired public servants if a government announced that it could no longer afford the defined benefit rort.

  335. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2020 8:13 pm

    That’s how they enjoy their leisure in Utah and Arizona too.

    Silly ignorant man! I live in Australia (still) YOU support the 51st State!

  336. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2020 8:16 pm

    Yes reb (and TB), I have standards!

    Don’t we all … 😉

  337. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2020 8:25 pm

    SB!

    He is now doing well. But he should never have been reduced to tears, fearand distress by an inhuman system inflicted on him by the Coalition goon squad.

    I hate stories like that! Thinks for sharing …

    I remember reading about judge (Isupect in the USofA) who was lenient with rapists – until his daughter was kidnapped and raped …

    People have to “experience” before they “know” and even then its not enough … my sister stills denies my father beat my Mum! So much for catliks!

  338. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2020 8:32 pm

    I’m presuming it’s not a coincidence..

    There fixed it for you

    Just one of the reasons I turn up most days

    LOL! At the pair of you! Needed that! Just put ,The Minister’s, new computer together and fired it up … 99.9% Fucking Windows!

    She’s happy got all her C Drive back … Zuma is IMPORTANT! 8)

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2020 8:38 pm

    The World could turn off all human produced CO2 but it wont stop the bushfires

    I agree, Wally, but it will DECREASE the INTENSITY …

  340. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2020 8:40 pm

    Politicians are human.

    Well they think they are gods children …

  341. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2020 8:43 pm

    I’m a genuine self funded retiree… and I would like to continue to be!

    Of course you are … so why do you think wage theft is a joke?

  342. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2020 8:57 pm

    I assumed you were smart enough to google ‘robodebt’ and ‘suicide’, but apparently not.

    Splatterbum I did not like that comment not that u would care. I did my research. In case you have not realised this is the age of deceit. I used to be like you and trust what people say.

    You cannot believe anything a ALP/Greens supporter says. That is the world we live in.

  343. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2020 11:03 pm

    but it will DECREASE the INTENSITY …

    Somehow, I don’t think it matter how loud or how often it is said, some walls are too thick to get through.

    Welcome to #auspol 2020

  344. Tom R permalink
    February 21, 2020 9:20 am

  345. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2020 10:20 am

    TR, that sums it up pretty much … I’m still trying to figure out why its called “social media” … as a communication platform it does nothing but polarise extremist positions and contributes to ANTI-social behaviour …

    Unfortunately the written word is the worst means of communication (ie easily misunderstood or misinterpreted) … face to face is best – 70% of the message is facial non verbal signals plus body language) … voice to voice can at least convey some emotional content in tone, volume, nuance …

    But the anti-social circus will continue ad infinitum until society creepily self destructs …

  346. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 21, 2020 11:49 am

    as a communication platform it does nothing but polarise extremist positions and contributes to ANTI-social behaviour …

    It would help if ALP/Greens supporters told the truth.

    Back in 2007 on Tim Dunlops bog I was told “the lying rodent” introduced a new rule. Work one hour and you are employed. That is why unemployment fell from 8% to 4% under Howard was PM because he manipulated the unemployment stats.

    As the years went buy I found the “one hour rule” was an international rule codified in Geneva by the ILO.

    In January 2020 I found the last piece in the puzzle. When did the “one hour rule” start in Australia.? Well it started in 1960 when the Labor Force Survey started.

    So what ALP supporters told me was wrong. Like most things they tell me

  347. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2020 11:50 am

    Albanez confirms that being an ALP MP is all about serving the public!!

    Albanese said Macdonald had argued that he should be preselected again because he liked being a minister and wanted to attend the coming Beijing Olympics.

    “He enjoyed being a minister and he thought he was a good minister,” Albanese said. “On a personal level he wanted to attend the Beijing Olympics as a minister, from recollection they would have been sometime in 2008. Also his daughter or step-daughter was doing her HSC, I think it was that year … he wanted to see that through as a matter of family stability before he moved on.”

  348. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2020 11:56 am

    Albanese…

  349. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2020 5:34 pm

    What a complete f***wit. Queensland police haven’t changed for 4 decades. Always dumb bullies

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-21/qld-police-commissioner-apologises-detectives-camp-hill-comments/11987426

  350. Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2020 5:40 pm

    Hilarious……………they still have not learnt..

    “The idea we can talk about the cost of taking action without talking about the cost of not taking action is part of the problem with the debate about climate policy in this country,”

    Mr Butler said.

    So they have no idea of the cost or more likely are shit scared of disclosing it.

    So therefore how can Penny Wong claim yesterday that doing nothing will cost 20 times more than their policy if they dont know what their policy will cost

    “Most importantly, we know that the cost of not acting to meet this target is far greater for Australia than the cost of acting. Some 20 times higher than it would be if we act. “

  351. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2020 5:59 pm

    So Wong basically says – it’s 20 times I have no idea!

  352. Tom R permalink
    February 21, 2020 6:43 pm

    So they have no idea of the cost or more likely are shit scared of disclosing it

    Just quietly, what IS the cost of not doing anything?

    I mean, this year alone has cost $Billions

    Why won’t the libs put a dollar value to it?

  353. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2020 7:05 pm

    what IS the cost of not doing anything?

    That’s easy, it’s 1.6% of the total world cost.

  354. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2020 8:17 pm

    Capitalism has lifted many people out of poverty … but not many on a global scale … in many case it puts people into poverty …

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/banking/devastated-melbourne-pensioners-could-lose-home-after-280000-fraud-by-westpac-introducer/news-story/a96aa2d6b768efcac58ae3fa903f94a3

    GREED the root of all evil … no mater the economic or political system!

    Why aren’t bank and financial institution executives and managers in jail? Yet? AFP where are you?

  355. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2020 8:21 pm

    What a complete f***wit. Queensland police haven’t changed for 4 decades. Always dumb bullies

    Are you comparing Queensland police fuckwits to Victorian (BANG!) police fuckwits ? Or is it that I detect a personal gripe here?

    Out surfing on the border were we?

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2020 8:22 pm

    BTW – I agree he was a fuckwit …

  357. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2020 8:28 pm

    Bloody unions! Trying to save people’s lives.

    No! No! No! reb it was the train driver’s fault he was speeding! The usual crap … and “passengers” knew he was speeding – to an (I think said a passenger) announcement that “he was making up time” …

    news corpse is … a sick organisation!

    https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/driver-worker-killed-in-xpt-train-crash/news-story/75fde9237fc1a6fb57fb7e346761d67c

  358. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2020 8:31 pm

    … in many case it puts people into poverty …

    Yeah, because under other systems there’s no graft and corruption.

  359. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2020 8:32 pm

    Just quietly, what IS the cost of not doing anything?

    Yep

    Your children and grandchildren (if you have any) … and other people’s children and grandchildren dying … when your selfish carcass has already carked it! So why care.

    … and why is it about money? Survival for your family is at any cost … surely?

  360. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2020 8:38 pm

    Yeah, because under other systems there’s no graft and corruption.

    Now I know you have comprehension bias … or just a limited understanding of the written word …

    I wrote …

    “””””GREED the root of all evil … no mater the economic or political system!”””””

    Or is it just to quick to challenge?

    BTW skim reading doesn’t work for everyone … comprehension falls dramatically for some people …

    In future read what I actually write before you comment … its becoming tiresome … salt water gets in your eyes? And ears? And brain?

  361. Tom R permalink
    February 21, 2020 10:18 pm

    it’s 1.6% of the total world cost.

    Oh, other countries have been devastated by bushfires have they yomm? Other countries are at the forefront of the impacts of climate change are they?

    Try thinking before you try smart ass lines, you won’t sound so dumb.

  362. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2020 10:26 pm

    Oh, other countries have been devastated by bushfires have they yomm?

    Maybe we don’t hear so much about some – summary of those in 2019
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_wildfire_season

    And some of the more serious ones…

    Greece..
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/23/greeks-urged-to-leave-homes-as-wildfires-spread-near-athens

    Indonesia…
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southeast-asia-haze/area-burned-in-2019-forest-fires-in-indonesia-exceeds-2018-official-idUSKBN1X00VU

    USA…
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/california-wildfires

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2020 10:57 pm

    And some of the more serious ones…

    Serious? Did you mean unprecedented? Or Australia’s bushfires weren’t serious?

  364. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2020 10:57 pm

    I wrote …

    “””””GREED the root of all evil … no mater the economic or political system!”””””

    Waiting for the poem, ToM

  365. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2020 11:06 pm

    I’m not sure what you are on about TB, the fires in Attica, Greece for example resulted in over 100 fatalities.

    Attica is a similar size to the ACT. Although that may not be of interest to you- you’re the one who says – fatalities aren’t the tragedy, the incident is

  366. ivi permalink
    February 22, 2020 5:24 am

    (Attica is a similar size to the ACT.

    Good to know.)

  367. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2020 10:20 am

    Did you mean unprecedented?

    SHH, don’t talk about the WAR 😉

  368. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2020 10:20 am

  369. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2020 4:27 pm

    I’m not sure what you are on about TB, the fires in Attica, Greece for example resulted in over 100 fatalities.

    Attica is a similar size to the ACT. Although that may not be of interest to you

    1. I know where Attica is and its size … I’ve been there and have friends there! (And on Samos). Just quit assuming you know everyfknthing!

    – you’re the one who says – fatalities aren’t the tragedy, the incident is

    2. I have never said fatalities are not a tragedy – that’s more spite on your part … what I have said is that incidents should always be investigated – not just because there is a loss of any kind … life, injury, plant and equipment, stock, materials or buildings … don’t twist my words to suit your nasty agenda and don’t lecture me on WH&S it was my job – and mostly dealing with smart arses allowing risks to be taken in the workplace – probably like you!

    Send me a poem and give it a rest!

    I wrote …

    “””””GREED the root of all evil … no mater the economic or political system!”””””

    Waiting for the poem, ToM

  370. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2020 4:30 pm

    And now this rubbish.

    TR, I’m afraid they do have a point … for the uninitiated …

  371. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2020 5:35 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/22/australia-relaxes-coronavirus-travel-ban-to-allow-some-students-from-mainland-china

    Money over sensible decisions?

    Hope this doesn’t backfire …

    Local in house discussions last night reckon 14 days is too short … at least a month … some released from quarantine have later shown signs of the virus …

    This ain’t Lotto … but this government gambles with most things, or sits on the sideline until its too late …

    Glad I’m a “light” prepper … got water, power a food stock … trust Greg Hunt with yer life… ?

    Chuckle

  372. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 22, 2020 7:46 pm

    Samos, really? Fascinating. That’s in Attica? It experienced the wildfires

  373. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2020 9:29 pm

    Samos, really? Fascinating. That’s in Attica? It experienced the wildfires

    Samos is a fucking island you dope! In Greece … just what are you on? I have friends in Attica – did you miss that? AND friends in Samos)

    Jesus fkn wept!

  374. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2020 9:48 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/a-complete-failure-government-blamed-for-australias-cost-of-living-burden/news-story/719daf6f721d0b3a9d30f476a56dae51

    I like it when people eventually catch up … its just the waiting that’s annoying …

  375. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 22, 2020 10:07 pm

    TB

    You are right. The ALP is a death cult taking down the wrong path every time.

    In NSW the Coalition wanted to build a dam on the Shoalhaven River. The ALP in govt said NO because they said scientific advise said it would never rain again. Why build a dam when it will never fill? Well it would have filled during the recent downpour.

    Instead we have to pay megabucks for a energy guzzling desal plant.

    The ALP is an abomination. Just like the people who vote for that evil party

  376. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2020 10:20 pm

    It experienced the wildfire

    Unprecedented ones? Ones driven by climate change?

    No, they were the worst in ten years, and it tragically went through a resort

    yomm, yor attempts at misdirection are pathetic. The science is clear, Australia is at the forefront of climate change, and we will experience it harder and earlier than other countries, the science shows this.

    Far more than yor stupid 1.6%

    That’s already blown over the xmas period ffs.

    So, instead of trying to misuse tragedies, why not try and answer the question without petulant sarcasm?

  377. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2020 9:28 am

    TB, there’s no need to get snitchy. But…I thought the point was that there are fires across the world. Including devistating ones in Attica.

    And since you’re so determined to illustrate how familiar you are with Greece… I’ve been there a number of times. Years ago I spent a semester at an Athens university and even made an attempt to learn the language.

    So having a friend on an island hundreds of miles from the fires isn’t particularly interesting to me.

  378. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2020 10:24 am

    A man has begun developing coronavirus symptoms a whopping 27 days after coming into contact with an infected person, causing authorities to fear for the worst.

    A 70-year-old man in China’s Hubei Province was infected with coronavirus but did not show symptoms until nearly four weeks later, the Chinese government revealed yesterday.

    This could prove a devastating blow to the world if the virus’s incubation period is longer than the presumed 14 days.

    Refer my comment TB Queensland February 22, 2020 5:35 pm

    “””””Hope this doesn’t backfire …
    Local in house discussions last night reckon 14 days is too short … at least a month … some released from quarantine have later shown signs of the virus …””””””

    TB, there’s no need to get snitchy

    So you can run wild with your snide remarks?

    This is what you said …

    I’m not sure what you are on about TB, the fires in Attica, Greece for example resulted in over 100 fatalities.

    Attica is a similar size to the ACT. Although that may not be of interest to you- you’re the one who says – fatalities aren’t the tragedy, the incident is

    And I shouldn’t get “snitchy” …

    TWO poems I reckon?

    Then fuck off!

  379. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2020 3:47 pm

    But…I thought the point was that there are fires across the world.

    No, the point was, Australia is at the pointy end of climate change induced events, that has already cost $Billions, and will cost $Billions more.

    There was a word that was used to describe the recent events that disassociated itself from other wildfires that you so meaninglessly used to ignore answering a question.

    Unfortunately, yor response is not unprecedented, it is the standard trope of denialists across the globe. LOOK, OVER THERE>

    Maybe try answering the question instead of blathering?

  380. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2020 4:35 pm

    TomR

    Scientific advice is taking us in the wrong direction. Since it is not going to rain again why build dams? I am sure that is why Bob Carr turned the land aside to build a dam on the Shoalhaven River near Sydney into a national park. So Labor takes us down the desal route building costly and environmentally unfriendly desalination plants.

    A dam on the Shoalhaven would be cheaper and would have filled up during the recent rains

  381. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 23, 2020 4:41 pm

    After Sanders won the first three races Rachel Madcow will open her next show with “I for one welcome our new socialist overlords!”

    Even Trump is a Bernie fan:

    Perhaps Trump and Russia are conspiring to support Bernie!

  382. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2020 4:42 pm

    What? Do you really think the fires here were significantly more “unprecedented” than those in California, Greece or Indonesia?

    Maybe do a little more reading

  383. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2020 5:22 pm

    Maybe do a little more reading

    perhaps read your own link yomm

    “The worst wildfire to hit Greece in over a decade ”

    Meanwhile, in Australia, they were regularly described as

    UNPRECEDENTED!

    More ‘reads’ fer ya yomm

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jan/26/climate-change-will-hit-australia-harder-than-rest-of-world-study-shows

    Any updates on an answer yet?

  384. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2020 5:31 pm

    There are fires in Greece that kill 100, and fires in California that kill 100.

    But ours are somehow worse and different. . Ok.

  385. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2020 5:43 pm

    But ours are somehow worse and different. . Ok.

    It’s all about death counts with you, isn’t it, are you sure you don’t have some kind of syndrome?

    Follow the science, and you might get an idea about other things

    You know, like answering questions 😉

  386. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2020 6:12 pm

    You know, like answering questions 😉

    Or simply writing a poem when you are … s-s-s-sorry …

    The more I read ToM’s comments the more I’m convinced that if he was ever a “manager” (used loosely) he would have been … played pretty well behind his back and never knew it happened … us troops were really good at being bloody minded with dickhead, power wielders … and I vowed if ever … I would not be like any of ’em! Good learning in my early days!

  387. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2020 6:16 pm

    Follow the Science? The Science said drought would became more common because of AGW. So politicians listened to the scientists and stopped building dams and started building expensive desalination plants.

    The dams would have filled during the recent downpour

  388. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2020 6:27 pm

    The property market is expected to lose $571 billion in value by 2030 due to climate change and extreme weather/i>

    Click to access Costs-of-climate-change-report.pdf

    Add it to the bill

  389. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2020 6:30 pm

    Perhaps Trump and Russia are conspiring to support Bernie!

    Sillier things have happened, Wally, as you and I know …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There are fires in Greece that kill 100, and fires in California that kill 100.

    But ours are somehow worse and different. . Ok.

    One last time … 40 people killed in a bus crash is not worse than … 40 people killed in 35 car crashes … they are ALL tragedies for families and friends …

    But one bus crash does not equate to say 25 car crashes on scale of 1:25 … ALL those incidents (that have become accidents with deaths) need to be investigated for prevention strategies … deaths are not irrelevant … but they are a consequence of some accidents …

    Good prevention strategies (eg RFS, access to water bombers, assistance from o/seas) can alleviate the outcomes … deaths, damage, economic loss …

    And I took offence at your, “not interested”, for obvious reasons … one being your assumptions – I have friends in Greece … I’m also interested in the weather in the UK and EU* and Canada I not only have friends there – I have family in all those countries …

    *Brittany where my cousins live but I also have friends here in Oz with relatives in Germany and Belgium …

    I would never presume that someone here wasn’t “interested” in another country or area, Asia – f’rinstance … but you know (or choose to ignore) that I have travelled, lived and worked in more countries than Australia …

    You need to bring you database up to date … quickly …

  390. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2020 6:36 pm

    The dams would have filled during the recent downpour

    They would! Those bloody governments of 2012 – eight years ago did nothing … thank goodness Sooty & Co are on the ball and building dams!

    Desal plants use sea water – have you been to the beach?

    Dams take much longer to build and they rely on rain … don’t rain in droughts

    But you are right … The dams would have filled during the recent downpour

    Write to your local member about building a dam or six … and they will form a committee who will gather information and then submit the results and then it will sit around, and sit around, and sit around until the LNP are eventually kicked up the arse and out of Canberra …

  391. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2020 7:19 pm

    Who is going to build a dam when the scientific advise is it will never fill because of AGW? Just say the science is right the Politician who authorised the dam would be mocked until the day he died if the dam did not fill.

    But if the Welcome Reef Dam was built on the Shaoalhaven it would be close to full right now

  392. Tony permalink
    February 23, 2020 7:31 pm

    The property market is expected to lose $571 billion in value by 2030 due to climate change and extreme weather

    Here’s a bit of free advice you can live your life by.

    Ignore anyone who says they can predict the future.

    The End.

  393. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2020 7:42 pm

    It should be stated that as recently as December 2019 the BOM told the government that there would be no significant rains until April

  394. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2020 8:10 pm

    Ignore anyone who says they can predict the future.

    So, ignore scientists who say one action will create some reaction?

    The same ones who predicted, with scaring accuracy, these recent, UNPRECEDENTED events?

    Ignore science if you like, zealots have been for years

  395. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2020 8:28 pm

    Ignore anyone who says they can predict the future.

    The End.

    I agree … or …

    … just own your own home … the Australian Dream was never about investing … it was a bout the security of a roof over your head for your family … your roof … not someone else’s … warped capitalism again …

  396. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2020 8:30 pm

    Who is going to build a dam when the scientific advise is it will never fill because of AGW?

    But you keep saying we should build more dams?

  397. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2020 8:47 pm

    If the scientific advice is that there is no point in building dams because climate change means they will never fill, no govt is going to build a new dam.

    It would be like a politician saying a Doctor does not know what he is talking about and going against medical advice.

    So scientific advice means State govts will build desal plants before dams.

    But Welcome Reed dam on the Shoalhaven would have filled during the recent rains meaning Sydney would have had several years of water stored by which time it would have rained again

  398. February 23, 2020 9:49 pm

    It’s all about death counts with you,

    Yes, it’s a dreadful obsession, being concerned about humans. I should be more concerned about… well I’m not sure but I’m sure there’s something more important than people dying

  399. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2020 7:19 am

    Good point t

    Totally irrelevant to the actual discussion, as is becoming a habit, since we were talking about the cost of cc adaption, of which Australia is at the pointy tip of, unlike other countries who, while experiencing tragedies (which has happened since the beginning of recorded history), are not as heavily influenced by cc as our recent events have been.

    So, what’s yor answer?

  400. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2020 8:37 am

    Not only have the libs lied to us for years and fed us scraps of bullshit about their cc plans, they have ripped of their own cuntry at the same time.

    They have helped cause much of the devastation, and given away a financial way to pay for it.

    Crime Ministers, from abbott onwards

    The Coalition’s safeguards mechanism was meant to stop rises in industrial emissions cancelling out cuts paid for by taxpayers – but it’s a colossal failure

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/23/smoke-screen-how-australias-biggest-polluters-have-been-free-to-increase-emissions?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    If Australia’s resources were taxed the way Norway’s are, we could secure the future of our schools

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/24/if-australias-resources-were-taxed-the-way-norways-are-we-could-secure-the-future-of-our-schools

    To be fair, we could secure the future of our schools, if we stopped publicly financing private schools often times more than we do public schools

    But somehow we are going to need to pay for the devastation that cc is bringing, and so far, the grubmints only solution is to ask taxpayers to pay more

  401. Tony permalink
    February 24, 2020 9:14 am

    Latest News Poll:

    “What was the main cause of the recent bushfires?”
    Lack of hazard reduction burns: 56%. Climate Change: 35%.

    Most people understand the only factor we have any control over is fuel loads.

    (In the new tradition, no link is provided. Google it.)

  402. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2020 9:31 am

    Totally irrelevant to the actual discussion, as is becoming a habit, since we were talking about the cost of cc adaption

    That’s interesting and illustrative.

    The human tragedy is “totally irrelevant” and the costs can’t be quantified. That’s what left types regard as a logical point.

    Call me old fashioned, but I thought the human cost is at least some sort of consideration, even to the left.

  403. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2020 9:33 am

    And here’s more Queensland bulls**t

    Here in the “Sunshine Coast” it’s just overcast or raining

  404. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 24, 2020 9:35 am

    If Australia’s resources were taxed the way Norway’s are, we could secure the future of our schools

    After paying off $96B of debt Howard/Costello started a $80B Future Fund. Of that $80B, $60B was for govt workers Super and $20B in 3 infrastructure funds.

    Labor raided those 3 infrastructure funds during the GFC and spent the money as stimulus spending. So forget about saving any money when labor is around. They will just spend it.

  405. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2020 9:40 am

    Latest News Poll:

    Didn’t they tell us how much Labor were going to win by?

    Talk about ‘predictions’ 😉

  406. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2020 10:33 am

    I’m not going to say peak stupid, cos joyce hasn’t weighted in yet, but ….

    This is the level of stupid we have reached today.

    Compounding that stupid, is the fact we have signed up to the Paris Agreement. We keep hearing about how we are meeting our obligations. A big part of the Paris Agreement is to work out how to become carbon neutral by the second half of the century.

    Which is just another way of saying – ZERO NET EMISSIONS BY 2050

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/21/coalition-ministers-at-odds-over-emissions-target-after-labor-commits-to-net-zero-by-2050

  407. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2020 10:43 am

    Call me old fashioned, but I thought the human cost is at least some sort of consideration, even to the left.

    But but but … if the human cost is important (and it is) why not give some consideration to reducing emissions from human profit centres?

    Australian power prices forecast to fall by 7% by 2022 as cost of renewables drops

    Retail electricity prices are tipped to fall by 7.1% by 2022 – an average saving of $97 per household – according to the Energy Security Board.

    In its latest report on the health of the national electricity market, to be released on Monday, the ESB credits new low-cost renewable generation for driving down wholesale prices and warns that severe weather and ageing coal power plants are threatening reliability of supply.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/24/australian-power-prices-forecast-to-fall-by-7-by-2022-as-cost-of-renewables-drops

    As an aside … why do people now write “lead” when it should be “led” as in “lead by” … education dumb down …

  408. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2020 10:45 am

    Most people understand the only factor we have any control over is fuel loads.

    Now that NEEDS a link … ’cause my info is totally opposite to that …

  409. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2020 10:46 am

    Now that NEEDS a link

    This should be good 🙂

  410. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2020 10:50 am

    ToM were you ever involved in setting Lost Time Injury Frequency Rates (LTIFR) goals and/or corporate targets for injuries? eg Workplace population might be 500 so 10 injuries per month?

    If so what was the lowest you ever saw? Is there formula?

  411. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2020 11:04 am

    Yep, human cost is “irrelevant” and we can’t figure out the
    actual dollar cost- what a stark illustration of left logic

  412. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2020 11:13 am

    what a stark illustration of left logic

    angus taylors a lefty lol

    A big part of the Paris Agreement is to work out how to become carbon neutral by the second half of the century.

    the same Paris Agreement angus taylors party signed us up to

    Fantastic. Great Move. Well done angus

  413. Tony permalink
    February 24, 2020 11:15 am

    Now that NEEDS a link … ’cause my info is totally opposite to that …

    I’ve provided that before, it’s from the 2010 Royal Commission into the Victorian Black Saturday bushfires. Look it up yourself.

  414. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2020 11:21 am

    I’ve provided that before, it’s from the 2010 Royal Commission into the Victorian Black Saturday bushfires. Look it up yourself.

    You mean the one where I pointed out how many times they mentioned climate change when you said they hadn’t.

    That one?

  415. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2020 11:30 am

    TR said it should be good.

    Lack of hazard reduction burns: 56%. Climate Change: 35%.

    Most people understand the only factor we have any control over is fuel loads.

    Let me attempt clarification … of my question …

    Could you provide a link to this part of your comment, please … Most people understand the only factor

    In context with my question … are these links …

    https://www.google.com.au/search?sxsrf=ALeKk02_LJ6djZHiwEd5DTRPQIesYpkMAA%3A1582504103080&ei=pxhTXufLBI2f4-EP2p6OqAM&q=Australia+do+people+believe+we+can+control+climate+change+polls&oq=Australia+do+people+believe+we+can+control+climate+change+polls&gs_l=psy-ab.12…28238.30468..32557…0.0..0.314.1687.0j5j2j1……0….1..gws-wiz…….35i39.a5oM_V0rJAc&ved=0ahUKEwinu62X9-jnAhWNzzgGHVqPAzUQ4dUDCAo

  416. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2020 11:31 am

    Fortunately Victoria will reduce emissions, and will therefore experience a much lower risk of bushfires.

    However, NSW have not taken this action, and they will continue to have bushfires.

    (left logic)

  417. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2020 11:37 am

    Yep, human cost is “irrelevant” and we can’t figure out the
    actual dollar cost- what a stark illustration of left logic

    That’s more like RWDH gobblydegook … makes no sense at all …

    Like this nonsense …

    Call me old fashioned, but I thought the human cost is at least some sort of consideration, even to the left.

    By teh left you are referring to TR and myself? Or another left?

    Twisting discussions to their advantage is usually done by very clever people … I suggest you quit trying now … we spend more time trying correct your odd, political, “right is best and you criticise my government so you must be left so you must be wrong”, perspective than actually discussing any real issues …

  418. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2020 11:38 am

    (left logic)

    See what I mean … that’s ToM’s illogic … no-one elses … stop writing shit …

  419. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2020 11:39 am

    stoopid

    yomm logic

  420. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2020 11:47 am

    Both Tom R and TB have said we must reduce emissions in the context of the bushfires.

    Tom R has said the number of fatalities is irrelevant.

    So what’s the objection?

  421. Tony permalink
    February 24, 2020 11:58 am

    Could you provide a link to this part of your comment, please … Most people understand the only factor …

    Only because you said please.😉

    (56% = most people)

    Bushfires obtain their energy from fuel and their speed and direction from the weather, topography and the fire itself. These factors affect fire behaviour, including the rate of spread, flame height and angle, persistence in the area, and the way firebrands travel. The only element that can be controlled by humans is the management of fuel. Prescribed burning—‘the controlled application of fire under specified environmental conditions to a predetermined area and
    at the time, intensity and rate of spread required to attain planned resource management objectives’—is the most effective mechanism for managing fuel.

    Page 280, Section 7.2.

    Click to access VBRC_Vol2_Chapter07_PF.pdf

  422. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2020 12:07 pm

    So what’s the objection?

    That it feels like we are arguing with nil under a number of pseudonyms

    for niltosy

    the only factor we have any control over is fuel loads.

    !=

    is the most effective mechanism for managing fuel.

    Science also shows that reducing emission will reduce loads. It’s just going to take a long time to turn that boat, so, currently, the most effective mechanism for managing fuel is prescribed burning.

    It definitely isn’t the only, and, as time goes on, (as so many have said) it’s effectiveness decreases.

  423. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2020 12:08 pm

    Sorry TB, but in this, yor Fitzgibbon, and theNils are barny 😉

  424. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2020 12:12 pm

    Science also shows that reducing emission will reduce loads

    Yes, Victoria will be ok, but what about NSW?

  425. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2020 12:15 pm

    What about the ‘longtime’ bit I mentioned nilyomm?

  426. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2020 12:29 pm

    Again, from yor link niltosy

    Understanding the interaction between fuel reduction and intense, landscape-scale fires, climactic conditions and terrain is therefore limited.

    That was over a decade ago too, so, one would hope it is no longer so … limited

    And, then, directly in opposition to your claim about “only”

    The combination of higher fuel loads and drought had led to an increased bushfire risk. Climate change has been directly correlated with drought periods that are more intense and is also projected to negatively affect water and biodiversity in the future, which will further contribute to an increase in fuel loads.

    Do better niltosy

  427. Tony permalink
    February 24, 2020 12:44 pm

    “Climate change has been directly correlated with drought periods that are more intense and is also projected to negatively affect water and biodiversity in the future, which will further contribute to an increase in fuel loads.”

    No worries. So if every country in the world meets its Paris targets, when will climate change stop affecting fuel loads and droughts? 2050? Earlier? Later? In the meantime what do you suggest we do about fuel loads – the only element that can be controlled by humans?

  428. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 24, 2020 12:55 pm

    Well I have just been band from The Guardian again. Got a new email address and was very careful to be polite, keep on topic and just make factual comments even if people abused me. I suspect they may have worked out it was a previous person they had already banned because I used my first name followed by 2020

    But lefties cannot argue. If they cannot win an argument they censor. I think we are living in dangerous times

  429. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2020 1:11 pm

    Oh, I see, you are changing the question then niltosy, fair enough

    In fact, stopping emission NOW will effect it SOON, as it will not get worse (some is locked in, imagine if we had stopped it earlier) 😉

  430. ivi permalink
    February 24, 2020 1:20 pm

    (In the meantime what do you suggest we do about fuel loads – the only element that can be controlled by humans?

    Nothing! CO2 is a plant food; CC might be good, who knows: consider hazard reduction, burnback, and general wildfire ashes; flood detritus and untreated sewerages; sundry contaminants leaking from coal mines handily located in water catchments, or, even better, low-cost mine-rehabilitation-as-interim-watercatchment, and blue-green algae filling your new, new dam as a flavoursome bonus?)

  431. Tony permalink
    February 24, 2020 1:30 pm

    Oh, I see, you are changing the question then niltosy, fair enough

    Not really, since I hadn’t asked a question.

    In fact, stopping emission NOW will effect it SOON, as it will not get worse (some is locked in, imagine if we had stopped it earlier) 😉

    SOON is a relative term. How many decades? (We have warmed one degree in a century. The IPCC wants to limit warming to 1.5 degrees.) So, what, 50 years SOON?

  432. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2020 1:33 pm

    SOON is far better than NEVER

    Seems yor arguing to burn the place down. Is there another path we can take. As the experts have said, even controlled burns are losing their effectiveness, soon, stopping climate change will be the ONLY solution.

  433. Tony permalink
    February 24, 2020 1:47 pm

    SOON is far better than NEVER

    Maybe so. But before SOON, and NEVER, is NOW! My question is what to we do NOW? The management of fuel – “the only factor that can be controlled by humans“ – seems like a prudent approach.

  434. Tony permalink
    February 24, 2020 1:52 pm

    Seems yor arguing to burn the place down.

    Quite the opposite. Histrionics doesn’t help your “argument”.

  435. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2020 2:48 pm

    The management of fuel – “the only factor that can be controlled by humans“ – seems like a prudent approach.

    I AGREE!

    And, as yor link showed, reducing emissions will help with that “management of fuel”, something we can control.

    Yet you just want burn offs it seems, which, as the experts have said, are getting less effective the more impact cc has on our environment.

    So, is it Histrionics, or do you have another solution?

  436. Tony permalink
    February 24, 2020 3:05 pm

    I AGREE!

    It’s hard to argue with logic.

    Yet you just want burn offs it seems

    Not true. I’m agnostic about the method of fuel reduction. For example, far-East Gippsland saw-millers have offered – for no charge – to remove burnt and felled/fallen trees from the sides of roads (apparently even burnt trees have limited use in timber production) but have so far been denied approval.

  437. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2020 4:11 pm

    Not true. I’m agnostic

    Really, you refuse anything to with reducing emissions. That seems to be the opposite of agnostic

  438. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 24, 2020 5:49 pm

    IN December 2019 the BOM told the govt that there would be no significant rain until April

    https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/major-flood-warning-for-rural-queensland/news-story/3379d4e3479019edf691f381a818471c

    “””””””””””””””
    Major flood warning for rural Queensland
    Queensland’s regional southwest faces flooding after a weekend of heavy rainfall, while flood levels on the Balonne River could exceed 10 metres.””””””””””””””””””””””””””

  439. Tony permalink
    February 24, 2020 6:06 pm

    I AGREE!

    Looks like everyone agrees. Climate change is caused by mankind’s 5% contribution to total atmospheric CO2. If we reduce this contribution to, say, zero, the atmosphere will consist of .00036 CO2 instead of .00040! Thus, climate change will be solved.

    Go humans!

  440. Tony permalink
    February 24, 2020 6:13 pm

    .00036 *.00038, actually. But you get the idea.

  441. Tony permalink
    February 24, 2020 6:35 pm

    Or, to put it another way, total greenhouse gases consist of: water vapour 50%, clouds 25%, CO2 20%, minor trace gases 5%.

    So, if human emissions were eliminated tomorrow, total GHGs would decrease by 1%, assuming another gas doesn’t take up the slack. “The Science” doesn’t say.

  442. Tony permalink
    February 24, 2020 6:57 pm

    Donald Trump used to own a casino called the Taj Mahal. He’s about to visit the original.

    Namaste 🙏

    https://www.financialexpress.com/defence/donald-trump-india-visit-2020-live-updates-namaste-trump-motera-stadium-ahmedabad-modi-melania-taj-mahal-delhi/1876779/

  443. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2020 10:55 pm

    I think you’ve been listening to that great agnostic alan jones there tony. Ivi put it better I thought. CO2 is good 😉

  444. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2020 8:22 am

    There’s a reason RWNJ’s have been upgraded to RWFW’s

    They bred and encouraged this shit, both trump and our own coalition have helped the rise in this abomination.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2018/aug/15/senators-line-up-to-shake-fraser-annings-hand-after-maiden-speech-video

  445. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2020 8:32 am

    Whew, at least it won’t get any worst

    To contextualise the unprecedented damage, commentators have questioned if our worst bushfire season on record is a sign of a “new normal” as Earth heats from global warming.

    But a group of climate scientists has warned against this prediction.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/02/25/bushfires-not-new-normal/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020200225

  446. Walrus permalink
    February 25, 2020 9:47 am

    “China has announced an immediate and “comprehensive” ban on the trade and consumption of wild animals, a widespread practice thought to be linked to the deadly coronavirus epidemic.”

    https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/china-bans-trade-and-consumption-of-wild-animals/news-story/d4f5eae8fa1f1ce9dbbbc296a630d70b

    “If it has got four legs and it is not a chair, if it has got two wings and it flies but is not an aeroplane, and if it swims and it is not a submarine, the Cantonese will eat it.”

    -Prince Phillip

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