Anthony Albanese meets Indonesian President Joko Widodo in ‘human moth’ costume!

Albo has also affected the missing tooth look, which plays well with the part of the electorate that don’t bother with dental checkups.

The combination of moth shirt and hillbilly teeth is a sure winner!

You’re very sensitive TB. Don’t you think someone on Albo’s income and his position could get their missing tooth plugged?

But I suppose that look is pretty popular among the hillbillies and rednecks of Queensland.

And do you think Albo might have popped into the chemist for a little ash brown hair colour?

It’s not quite the attractive light orange that Trump prefers, but it’s better than the standard grey.

But hey, albos hair is grey (or a shade of), and they put forward a speaker (the nasties), so let’s not worry about a little corruption

Coalition donor received $5.5m grant despite potentially being ineligible

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/11/coalition-donor-received-55m-grant-despite-potentially-being-ineligible?CMP=share_btn_tw

Because it is a Union affiliated fund, so of course nine news will hate it, just like the ages previous owners did

Of course, yomm doesn’t care about millions of taxpayers dollars being used to buy an election, he’s too worried about hair colour

lol reb, loved this reply

Have a read TB…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storage

‘lefty’ sympathiser fran kelly blaming labor for the grubmints discord

Labor exploiting parliamentary tactics to help fuel the coalition instability.

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/anthony-albanese:-this-is-an-absolute-wreck-of-a-government/11952718

the same lefty worshipping at the feet of abbott

And the Opposition Leader is right – Senator Joyce is a talented politician who will inflict damage on the Labor Government

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2010-03-25/tony-abbott-on-the-run/380174?pfmredir=sm&pfm=sm

She’s a partisan joke

Depends?

Australia has a clear competitive advantage in the international coal market, and plenty of power stations that rely on the fuel.

If the is a way of getting more power generation out of existing, costly assets that employ thousands of people, and being at the front of the pack in carbon sequestration, I struggle to see the “depends”

For the lefties coal mining is next. They want to close down what has become our biggest export. Natural gas as well because when it us burnt it produces CO2. Qld State govt got $3.7B in royalties from coal mining last year. How would they replace that income?

The Columbaris Group made a voluntary disclosure to FA and worked with FA until all amounts due were quantified. FA did not troll the Group into administration with 400 or so job losses.

YOU and people like you did that with your exagerated outrage and calls to boycott the Group.

I trust you are now delighted that 400 people have now lost their jobs……………well done and congratulations.

Good on the twits for getting rid of a crook who helped drive down wages through illegal means.

He should pay the price, his workers have been for the past ten years

yes, we should have a dedicated thread for every asshole who steals money from workers

GET TO IT REB! (sarc)

“He should pay the price, his workers have been for the past ten years”

Yes apparently by on average $0.60 per hour…………………………now despite all the money having been now paid to them when possible (some now deceased and/or uncontactable overseas) they deserve to be unemployed for being so stupid in not being able to work out their own award.

People like that don’t deserve jobs according to TomR

“You’re crazy if you think this fool contraption you’ve been wasting your time on will ever displace the horse.”

Except that horses still operate whether its calm, windy, in sunlight or in darkness.

We cannot say that about wind turbines or solar panels

Sydney just experienced 4 days of heavy dark clouds with zero sunlight, heavy rain and strong winds.

A horse would still operate in that.

TB, every country that experiences sunshine wants to develop solar energy. Ditto wind.
Carbon sequestration allows coal to continue to be used and phased out over time. It is in Australia’s direct economic interest to research and develop carbon sequestration, and export both the mineral and the value adding technology.
Only a green/left zealot person such as yourself would fail to acknowledge the sense of that.

“proves my point”

Exploitation isn’t!

Unless it’s your business model 😉

“I hate to be the one to say this but it’s impossible to “accidentally” underpay your staff $7.8 million.”

What a fucking idiot Claire proves herself to be.

How about the ABC you dickhead ?

Yes, the ABC can’t even pay casuals correctly. Will left types like Tom R stop listening and watching?

That’s an interesting “look over there” but…do former politicians work in the ABC’s payroll and HR department?

There are probably 100 people working in those parts of the ABC and they still got it wrong.

do former politicians work in the ABC’s payroll and HR department?

DOH!

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/sep/26/political-interference-crisis-hits-australias-national-broadcaster

There are probably 100 people working in those parts of the ABC and they still got it wrong.

Yea, they never get it wrong on the side of the employee, do they?

“”””””””””””Yea, they never get it wrong on the side of the employee, do they?”””””””””””””””

Maybe they do but that is not against the law. I got overpaid once and I told personal and I had to refund the money. If I said nothing nobody would have known.

Maybe you’re right!!! It probably is the organisational culture caused by the governing party.

The underpayment started in 2012.

Which party was in government then?

Then you’d better let your mates at the CPSU know. They seem to think it dates from 2012.

What would they know…

They seem to think it dates from 2012.

It could, but the issue of ignoring it didn’t start until around 6 years ago. When the rot set in

In this report, the CPSU has identified that the ABC had at least ten significant opportunities to review their casual employee payments over the last six years, and that it seemingly failed to do so.

The CPSU would like to know from the ABC how many of the loaded rate payment arrangements used by the ABC between November 2012 and early February 2019, met the requirements for an IFA under the ABC Enterprise Agreement.

Click to access anything_but_casual_a_cpsu_report_into_casual_underpayment_at_the_abc.pdf

Yep the ABC started underpaying people when the ALP was in government,

Maybe, maybe not

It’s kinda irrelevant. Many clauses etc get challenged, and overturned

The fact you seem to want to miss is, in 2014, the Union highlighted it, and was promptly fobbed off for the next four years, instead of having it rectified s it should have been

Greedy fuckn staff, expecting to be paid…

Stupid fucken staff, too stupid to know what they are owed

OR

Too afraid to question

OR

simply dismissed FOR mentioning

Of course!

An industrial agreement negotiated under an ALP government, using ALP legislation and reviewed by government officers under the ALP clearance process, is used to underpay thousands of people.

…but it’s all the Liberal’s fault!

Hilarious!

And if you read that document, the vast number of issues arose later in the EBA, in fact, none are identified under prior to 2014, only possibilities

So the ABC chairman appointed by the Gillard Government oversaw the whole thing?

But blame the Liberals !!

These issues only come up when the Coalition is in power. When Labor is in power their supporters spend most of their time trying to find mud against the Coalition. When the Coalition is in power Labor supporters spend most of their time trying to find mud against the Coalition.

Truth for a ALP voter depends on which party is in govt

TB, you might explain why you have the opinion that Australia has a competitive advantage in the resources you’ve outlined. Because I don’t see that we are have any specific advantage over other countries.

Whereas we are a major exporter of coal, and developing the value add of sequestration makes the export more desirable and valuable.

There are very few countries that would benefit from the sequestration technology as much as Australia. That’s why it makes sense to invest in it.

The difference is – I’m not saying it was the fault of the ALP. It is typical incompetent ABC management.

But you’re forever issuing partisan blame.

Yes, surprising as it seems, Republicans have better mental health than Democrats!!

Maybe that’s because Republicans don’t think the world will end next year (or possibly the year after)

https://news.gallup.com/poll/102943/republicans-report-much-better-mental-health-than-others.aspx

No the ABC has a typical public service structure, lots of indirect management. People who are accountable for…who knows what?

They need to just close departments that are there for political reasons ( and big hr/training and governance functions should be at the top of the list)

Taxpayer funds were directly used to buy liberal votes at the last election, with direct orders from the pms office.

But LOOK, OVER THERE! Labor has FACTIONS! (others call it ‘a broad church)

get real tosy

Why won’t someone think of the millionaire celebrity chefs 😦

oh, that’s right, the #auspol #msm did.

#auspol , Where satire is just lifting articles from the lolstrayan

“It just isn’t right,” Calombaris stated. “The business was running fine, everything was perfect until the union got in the way. I just don’t get it, why were they so hell bent on ruining my successful business strategy. What, so just cause my employees want to be paid the amount we said we would, we have to? What about our wants?”

https://chaser.com.au/national/exclusive-union-victim-george-calombaris-recalls-the-horrific-tale-of-paying-his-employees/

I think we can discuss more than one topic at a time

lol

That Labor is a ‘broad church’ is such a revelationary topic

The muppet island “has a competitive (dis)advantage in solar, hydrogen, wind power, thermal, hydro, storage and associated technology” when you look at the `actions` and not the slogans.

(or the incinerated and drowned WireCo nodes, converging with a bon-phire, hail-storm, flood, tourism-drought)

Good thing we dumped all that `pesky` manufacturing huh, hows retail going.

Same as it ever was,

Bullshit

Gillard won without telling any lies, then got crucified for the next thee years for apparently lying

If it lies, it’s Liberal

The madness of the bed wetting Cultists………………

“How much co2 in the atmosphere is man made?

In fact, carbon dioxide, which is blamed for climate warming, has only a volume share of 0.04 percent in the atmosphere. And of these 0.04 percent CO2, 95 percent come from natural sources, such as volcanoes or decomposition processes in nature. The human CO2 content in the air is thus only 0.0016 percent.Jan 25, 2018”

Interesting that when even the source of the lie owns up, that the winged monkeys are so locked in, even they can’t admit it.

“But by far the most dangerous trend is the decline in the flow of Australian rivers: it has fallen by around 70 per cent in recent decades, so dams no longer fill even when it does rain ”

– Tim Flannery…2007

But yesterday ………….

“One of the dams that provides water to Sydney has been filmed overflowing with water, after recent rainfall saw it reach 100 per cent capacity. The Nepean Dam, located about 100km southwest of Sydney, has risen almost 70 per cent in the last week alone after hundreds of millimetres of rain fell across parts of NSW in recent days. ”

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/nepean-dam-overflows-after-recent-wet-weather-in-nsw/news-story/b0d3571e77f912cf7a2d6e6a631b3a22

Without a word of a lie!

PMSL

Did anyone say it was a published plan or policy of the ALP?

I think even those that made a political point about the issue didn’t say it was a policy.

But the ALP can thank their 50% owners for giving the issue oxygen in the first place,

“So WTF are you even on about then, if it wasn’t a “plan” or “policy…??”

Yeah right……………………just like the Carbon Tax wasn’t ALP policy in the lead up to 2010 election.

But we got it

Just to add to the lies

There was one from late 2018 where he said they were doing it, maybe he took it down?

Still a lie that was run with Palmers millions during the campaign

So the statement wasn’t “fabricated out of nowhere” , it was entirely factual.

Combine that with the fact that the guy the ALP thought they would rely on if they were to form government (Burnside) wanted it, an inheritance tax was “possible”

No, but if you say made stuff up about a death tax, I’ve only pointed out that the statement I found was factual.

So if you’d like to post a link of the statement that is “fabricated out of nowhere” … that would help.

It;s simple, you said the stuff was fabricated and I’d like to know which part of that press release is fabricated.

Or even some other statement

That’s very interesting.

So I put your comment into the google blog translator, it translates as –

“Fucked if I know, I just prefer my exaggerations to facts!”

Sydney Dam levels have approx. doubled from 40% to 80% from the recent rains. Scientific advice was not to build a dam on the Shoalhaven River because it may not fill because of climate change. So science sent us down the desalination route. The Welcome Reef dam on the Shoalhaven would have filled from the recent rain.

https://www.waternsw.com.au/supply/Greater-Sydney/greater-sydneys-dam-levels

Yeah, unions don’t make demands, they only ask politely!

…and TB, are you familiar with sarcasm?

Trump has no knowledge of history, geography, the military, diplomacy, human behaviour, consequence and certainly no negotiation skills …

I’ve been a critic of Trump, but that’s mainly because of his personal behaviour (which is completely contrary to reasonable expectations of anyone in public life) and lack of experience.

But… the US economy is growing more steadily than it has for years, and his unpredictable diplomacy isn’t necessarily unsuccessful (it’s too early to call it a failure), ditto with his negotiation style.

Trump is likely to win a second term, and the challengers from the Democrats look hopeless and threadbare

Movie stars. Is there anything they don’t know?

But you and me ain’t no movie stars.

Tony Windsor suffers from the same bitter delusions as Barnaby Joyce, both –
* are motivated by an overblown sense of self importance
* have ambitions far beyond their intelligence and ability
* motivated by bitter disloyalty
* are fat and bald

Coal is already oversubsidized and is uneconomical even then

If Holden got a fraction of the subsidies coal got it would be making submarines right now

BTW that article is doing the rounds in leftie circles showing Australian govts get $29B in subsidies from the govt. So I read it and it said the subsidy was underpricing coal. Whatever that is.

The top-of-the-line Holden Caprice was recommended by the Attorney-General’s Department in 2012 as the preferred option for a fleet of nine specialised blast-proof VIP vehicles to be used by the Prime Minister and other dignitaries, according to confidential government documents.

Holden viewed that claim, which appeared in a News Corp newspaper on Wednesday, just hours before the US-owned car maker announced its withdrawal, as part of a deliberate negative backgrounding campaign by Coalition ministers to make Holden look uncommitted to Australia.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/claims-holdens-lost-government-vehicle-contract-was-part-of-a-vendetta-20131212-2zabq.html

https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/bmw-caught-in-government-fleet-controversy-40638/

December 2013

Rumblings were heard even before the last federal election, when it was revealed that the Australian Federal Police had opted to buy the BMW X5 to escort dignitaries.
The resulting media frenzy drove the AFP to issue a ‘clarification’ in August, outlining the reasoning behind the decision. In the statement, the AFP observed that it “requires a proportion of dignitary protection fleet to be armoured…..Furthermore, the article carried counterclaims from Holden that it had shown no interest in bidding. According to the report, a Holden spokesperson refuted government suggestions that Holden made no effort to bid.
Amusingly, the writer succeeded in bundling this matter in with speculation at the time that Holden would announce the cessation of local manufacturing – which has since occurred. Somehow, presumably, sales of nine high security limousines would keep Holden building cars in Australia.

Again, for the slower ones

“Holden viewed that claim, which appeared in a News Corp newspaper on Wednesday, just hours before the US-owned car maker announced its withdrawal, as part of a deliberate negative backgrounding campaign by Coalition ministers to make Holden look uncommitted to Australia.”

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/claims-holdens-lost-government-vehicle-contract-was-part-of-a-vendetta-20131212-2zabq.html

And of course the EU depends on biomass for 60% of its renewable energy……..

“A group of plaintiffs from Estonia, France, Ireland, Romania, Slovakia, Sweden, and the US are filing a lawsuit against the European Union on Monday (4 March) to challenge the inclusion of forest biomass in the bloc’s renewable energy directive. If they get their way, this could deprive the EU of an energy source which currently makes up close to 60% of the bloc’s renewables, more than solar and wind power combined.”

“The treatment of biomass as carbon neutral runs counter to scientific findings” showing that burning wood for energy typically emits 1.5 times more CO2 than coal and 3 times more than natural gas, the plaintiffs point out.”

https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/eu-dragged-to-court-for-backing-forest-biomass-as-renewable-energy/

Who would have thought burning firewood might be a bad idea compared to Coal ?

Apparently General Motors is getting out of the right hand drive market. They could have imported cars from a General Motors plant that makes right hand drive cars and then stuck a Holden badge on the car like Toyota and Ford do.

General Motors cannot import cars into Australia because they do make cars with right hand drive anymore.

Oh it looks like they are still going to produce one car RHD. Perhaps the Bathurst rival to Ford with a 6.2 litre V8 ???????

https://www.motor1.com/news/399180/right-hand-drive-corvette-c8-happening/

TomR

Did you read my link at 12.10AM? The Federal Police had already made the decision to purchase the BMW’s before Abbott was elected.

And why did Ford leave when Gillard was PM? You lefties get the answers to the question wrong every time

“After all, [he] was a member of the Cabinet that back in 2013 and 14 decided that they would not support the car industry any further”.

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6133315357001

I did nil. It’s a blathering of bullshit. As the Attorney-General’s Department papers showed, Holden HAD in fact put in an offer, for armoured cars

The fact that “somebody” lied about them not doing so just shows the contempt the grubmint were showing an Australian iconic Manufacturer as it forced them out of the cuntry

So what? The Federal Police made the decision, not the PM to buy the BMW’s before Abbot won govt.

And just more garbage about the Coalition not supporting the car industry. Subsidies are still available and you can apply here

https://www.business.gov.au/Grants-and-Programs/Automotive-Transformation-Scheme

The fact that they lied about Holden’s proposal should warn you of everything else they “allegedly” said nil 😉

if he’s dissing Morrison I’m for him; if he’s lauding Paulune I’m deserting him.

As some wit said

“There’s not much better than seeing a RWFW telling another RWFW that they’re nothing but a RWFW”

I’m not ‘wiv’ or ‘wivout’ anyone in this. I just agree when he so pointedly highlighted morrisons shortcomings

Who lied?
“Senator Carr described the assertion Holden was not capable of meeting the standards required as ”patently untrue”.”

TB

Robodebt was started by Labor in 2011 when they relaced humans with computers to data match between the ATO and Centrelink

Coalition made one change in 2016 which was illegal. They used income averaging (whatever that is) to determine income rather than fortnightly statements. And apparently that is it, Income averaging to determine income is against the law for some reason

But Robodebt was started by Labor in 2011 to recover more money

Wag the Dog

I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact the SDA pays Coles 10% of the union fees Coles compulsorily deducts from workers’ wages?

I wonder if that had anything to do with howard removing the right of payment of union dues by payroll deduction?

In other words, howard is costing Union members 10% of their fees because of his pettiness

For people interested in what Robodebt is or what is now being called Robodebt read this link.

https://law.blogs.latrobe.edu.au/2019/11/28/so-this-robodebt-thing-sounds-big-what-do-you-need-to-know/

What is a robodebt?

At law, it is the combination of two discredited, blunt ideas:

1. The crude assumption that annual ATO PAYG returns can be averaged (divided by 26) and substituted for the person’s original reporting, producing a debt. This doesn’t work because the social security law demands calculation based off fortnightly earned (not received) gross income. Earnings vary, people are in and out of work, have complex deductions and working credits.

2. Reverse onus: the principle that unless the person produces a raft of payslip or financial information, the ATO data constitutes adequate supporting material to establish a debt.

TomR

I am glad you think I am an idiot because most things you say are wrong.

But at least I do not mislead and deceive people like you lefties do

BTW in 2007 I was told “the lying rodent” when PM introduced a new rule. Work one hour and you are employed. The “one hour rule” has been used in Australia since 1960 when the Labor Force Survey started

https://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/D3310114.nsf/home/labour+force+explained

The ‘one hour rule’ is used internationally and allows employment figures to be compared with other countries. It has been used in Australia since the Labour Force Survey began, enabling comparisons to be made over a long period of time.

Ultimately, the point is this: people who are wrong about some things can be right about other things. That seems blindingly obvious when written down.

Unless yor a RWFW!

https://junkee.com/paul-paker-pauline-hanson-politics/242547

The principle architects of the system should be charged with the manslaughter of the students who took their own lives while under the severe stress inflicted on them by the corrupt system

Firstly Robodebt started in 2011. Coalition made some changes in 2016 which appear to have caused problems.

But there was an allegation made that 2,020 people died due to those changes in 2016. That then morphed into all 2,020 committed suicides. That should tell you there is something wrong with that allegation. How likely is it that everyone who died due to govt policy all died the same way?

After the 2016 changes Robodebt notices were sent to 900,000 people. Of those 2,020 died. And guess what? That is a normal death rate for a population that size. Nothing sinister about 2,000 deaths out of a population of 900,000.

What is sinister is people using 2,000 dead bodies for political purposes

“””I AGREE!”””

I don’t. Splatterbum needs to provide some evidence that people took their lives due to changes the Coalition made in 2016 to Labors Robodebt scheme otherwise he should apologise. And the evidence needs to be a direct link.

We don’t require those here anymore, evidently.

That’s a pretty low dig at yomm

or some scribbles on the back of a coaster will be fine.

😆

The Australian Federal Police did not interview Angus Taylor before concluding further investigation would not substantiate whether an offence had been committed

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/19/afp-did-not-interview-angus-taylor-over-false-document-before-dropping-investigation

Just remember, if you don’t want the answer, don’t ask the question 😉

spent a half hour popping targets … .22 – .308 and eight chamber Magnum … BOOM!

That’s how they enjoy their leisure in Utah and Arizona too.

Spatterbum

You dodged the question. You said this

“”””””””””””””The principle architects of the system should be charged with the manslaughter of the students who took their own lives while under the severe stress inflicted on them by the corrupt system””””””””””””””””””

Any evidence that people took thetr own lives due to Robodebt? Also I listed the changes made by the Coalition at 11.02AM. There were 2 main changes made by the Coalition. Here is the link again

https://law.blogs.latrobe.edu.au/2019/11/28/so-this-robodebt-thing-sounds-big-what-do-you-need-to-know/

Life is trial and error. They were most probably the next changes to be made in Labors Robodebt system no matter who was in power. If they are not working they should ditch them.and go back to the previous system.

BTW the death rate under the changes made by the Coalition in 2016 is normal. 2,000 deaths out of a population of 900,000 people who received notices is a normal death rate. Nothing sinister.

But ALP supporters said those 2,000 not only died but died by one method- suicide. It is a lie

TomR

U lefties are sick. You are using dead bodies for political purposes. Your article starts with the 2,000 deaths after 2016 story. But nowhere does it say that it a normal death rate for a population of 900,000 people

You don’t care about the truth. You are using 2,000 dead bodies for political purposes

TomR

Politicians are human. If the changes the Coalition made in 2016 to labors Robodebt are not working they should say they got it wrong and go back to what worked. Life is trial and error.

But only a left wing media would start an article with 2,000 deaths occurred after the Coalition made a policy change. Then that morphs into there was a direct link between those 2,000 deaths and the policy change. Then that morphs into those 2,000 all committed suicide due to that policy change.

Think about what you are as a person. You do NOT care about the truth. You are using 2,000 dead bodies for political purposes. 2,000 people dying out of 900,000 people is NORMAL

The SDA cop a lot of flak, but they have done well here, against the odds

As I pointed out to you, Neil, the Coalition administered the system in an unconscionable way. They are entirely responsible for that

OK but I suspect whatever changes they made in 2016 were the next step. Life is trial and error. I don’t know enough to say if it was unconscionable. Apparently the illegal bit is income averaging to determine income. Why that is illegal I have no idea.

People make mistakes and Pollies most probably more than most.

Yeah TomR provided me a link about the suicides. Said there were 5. That is down from the 2,000 normally claimed.

But his article starts of with the usual 2,030 deaths, implying govt policy change in 2016 caused those deaths. 900,000 people received notices and 2,000 died = a NORMAL death rate for a population that size

Neil

With your avatar, which appears alongside all your posts, is it just a coincidence that the “mouth” of your avatar is taped up ???????

“……..you’re suffering the adverse effects of serious crystal meth habit on yours.”

………..you’re suffering the adverse effects of seriously good bottle of Artemis Shiraz on yours.

There fixed it for you

“”””””””””””””With your avatar, which appears alongside all your posts, is it just a coincidence that the “mouth” of your avatar is taped up ???????”””””””””””

Don’t know.

Why are your eyebrows raised up and a cross in each of your eyes and a small spot in your mouth?

PS 2030 people did not commit suicide due to Coalition changes to Robodebt in 2016

Our media is FUCKED!

I’m a genuine self funded retiree

So, skiving off the taxpayer dollars with your franking credits I suppose?

but it will DECREASE the INTENSITY …

Somehow, I don’t think it matter how loud or how often it is said, some walls are too thick to get through.

Welcome to #auspol 2020

Albanez confirms that being an ALP MP is all about serving the public!!

Albanese said Macdonald had argued that he should be preselected again because he liked being a minister and wanted to attend the coming Beijing Olympics.

“He enjoyed being a minister and he thought he was a good minister,” Albanese said. “On a personal level he wanted to attend the Beijing Olympics as a minister, from recollection they would have been sometime in 2008. Also his daughter or step-daughter was doing her HSC, I think it was that year … he wanted to see that through as a matter of family stability before he moved on.”

Hilarious……………they still have not learnt..

“The idea we can talk about the cost of taking action without talking about the cost of not taking action is part of the problem with the debate about climate policy in this country,”

Mr Butler said.

So they have no idea of the cost or more likely are shit scared of disclosing it.

So therefore how can Penny Wong claim yesterday that doing nothing will cost 20 times more than their policy if they dont know what their policy will cost

“Most importantly, we know that the cost of not acting to meet this target is far greater for Australia than the cost of acting. Some 20 times higher than it would be if we act. “

So they have no idea of the cost or more likely are shit scared of disclosing it

Just quietly, what IS the cost of not doing anything?

I mean, this year alone has cost $Billions

Why won’t the libs put a dollar value to it?

… in many case it puts people into poverty …

Yeah, because under other systems there’s no graft and corruption.

Oh, other countries have been devastated by bushfires have they yomm?

Maybe we don’t hear so much about some – summary of those in 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_wildfire_season

And some of the more serious ones…

Greece..
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/23/greeks-urged-to-leave-homes-as-wildfires-spread-near-athens

Indonesia…
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southeast-asia-haze/area-burned-in-2019-forest-fires-in-indonesia-exceeds-2018-official-idUSKBN1X00VU

USA…
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/california-wildfires

(Attica is a similar size to the ACT.

Good to know.)

Samos, really? Fascinating. That’s in Attica? It experienced the wildfires

It experienced the wildfire

Unprecedented ones? Ones driven by climate change?

No, they were the worst in ten years, and it tragically went through a resort

yomm, yor attempts at misdirection are pathetic. The science is clear, Australia is at the forefront of climate change, and we will experience it harder and earlier than other countries, the science shows this.

Far more than yor stupid 1.6%

That’s already blown over the xmas period ffs.

So, instead of trying to misuse tragedies, why not try and answer the question without petulant sarcasm?

TomR

Scientific advice is taking us in the wrong direction. Since it is not going to rain again why build dams? I am sure that is why Bob Carr turned the land aside to build a dam on the Shoalhaven River near Sydney into a national park. So Labor takes us down the desal route building costly and environmentally unfriendly desalination plants.

A dam on the Shoalhaven would be cheaper and would have filled up during the recent rains

What? Do you really think the fires here were significantly more “unprecedented” than those in California, Greece or Indonesia?

Maybe do a little more reading

There are fires in Greece that kill 100, and fires in California that kill 100.

But ours are somehow worse and different. . Ok.

The property market is expected to lose $571 billion in value by 2030 due to climate change and extreme weather/i>

Add it to the bill

Ignore anyone who says they can predict the future.

So, ignore scientists who say one action will create some reaction?

The same ones who predicted, with scaring accuracy, these recent, UNPRECEDENTED events?

Ignore science if you like, zealots have been for years

It’s all about death counts with you,

Yes, it’s a dreadful obsession, being concerned about humans. I should be more concerned about… well I’m not sure but I’m sure there’s something more important than people dying

Not only have the libs lied to us for years and fed us scraps of bullshit about their cc plans, they have ripped of their own cuntry at the same time.

They have helped cause much of the devastation, and given away a financial way to pay for it.

Crime Ministers, from abbott onwards

The Coalition’s safeguards mechanism was meant to stop rises in industrial emissions cancelling out cuts paid for by taxpayers – but it’s a colossal failure

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/23/smoke-screen-how-australias-biggest-polluters-have-been-free-to-increase-emissions?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

If Australia’s resources were taxed the way Norway’s are, we could secure the future of our schools

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/24/if-australias-resources-were-taxed-the-way-norways-are-we-could-secure-the-future-of-our-schools

To be fair, we could secure the future of our schools, if we stopped publicly financing private schools often times more than we do public schools

But somehow we are going to need to pay for the devastation that cc is bringing, and so far, the grubmints only solution is to ask taxpayers to pay more

Totally irrelevant to the actual discussion, as is becoming a habit, since we were talking about the cost of cc adaption

That’s interesting and illustrative.

The human tragedy is “totally irrelevant” and the costs can’t be quantified. That’s what left types regard as a logical point.

Call me old fashioned, but I thought the human cost is at least some sort of consideration, even to the left.

If Australia’s resources were taxed the way Norway’s are, we could secure the future of our schools

After paying off $96B of debt Howard/Costello started a $80B Future Fund. Of that $80B, $60B was for govt workers Super and $20B in 3 infrastructure funds.

Labor raided those 3 infrastructure funds during the GFC and spent the money as stimulus spending. So forget about saving any money when labor is around. They will just spend it.

I’m not going to say peak stupid, cos joyce hasn’t weighted in yet, but ….

This is the level of stupid we have reached today.

Which is just another way of saying – ZERO NET EMISSIONS BY 2050

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/21/coalition-ministers-at-odds-over-emissions-target-after-labor-commits-to-net-zero-by-2050

what a stark illustration of left logic

angus taylors a lefty lol

A big part of the Paris Agreement is to work out how to become carbon neutral by the second half of the century.

the same Paris Agreement angus taylors party signed us up to

Fantastic. Great Move. Well done angus

I’ve provided that before, it’s from the 2010 Royal Commission into the Victorian Black Saturday bushfires. Look it up yourself.

You mean the one where I pointed out how many times they mentioned climate change when you said they hadn’t.

That one?

Fortunately Victoria will reduce emissions, and will therefore experience a much lower risk of bushfires.

However, NSW have not taken this action, and they will continue to have bushfires.

(left logic)

Both Tom R and TB have said we must reduce emissions in the context of the bushfires.

Tom R has said the number of fatalities is irrelevant.

So what’s the objection?

So what’s the objection?

That it feels like we are arguing with nil under a number of pseudonyms

for niltosy

the only factor we have any control over is fuel loads.

!=

is the most effective mechanism for managing fuel.

Science also shows that reducing emission will reduce loads. It’s just going to take a long time to turn that boat, so, currently, the most effective mechanism for managing fuel is prescribed burning.

It definitely isn’t the only, and, as time goes on, (as so many have said) it’s effectiveness decreases.

Science also shows that reducing emission will reduce loads

Yes, Victoria will be ok, but what about NSW?

Again, from yor link niltosy

Understanding the interaction between fuel reduction and intense, landscape-scale fires, climactic conditions and terrain is therefore limited.

That was over a decade ago too, so, one would hope it is no longer so … limited

And, then, directly in opposition to your claim about “only”

The combination of higher fuel loads and drought had led to an increased bushfire risk. Climate change has been directly correlated with drought periods that are more intense and is also projected to negatively affect water and biodiversity in the future, which will further contribute to an increase in fuel loads.

Do better niltosy

Well I have just been band from The Guardian again. Got a new email address and was very careful to be polite, keep on topic and just make factual comments even if people abused me. I suspect they may have worked out it was a previous person they had already banned because I used my first name followed by 2020

But lefties cannot argue. If they cannot win an argument they censor. I think we are living in dangerous times

(In the meantime what do you suggest we do about fuel loads – the only element that can be controlled by humans?

Nothing! CO2 is a plant food; CC might be good, who knows: consider hazard reduction, burnback, and general wildfire ashes; flood detritus and untreated sewerages; sundry contaminants leaking from coal mines handily located in water catchments, or, even better, low-cost mine-rehabilitation-as-interim-watercatchment, and blue-green algae filling your new, new dam as a flavoursome bonus?)

SOON is far better than NEVER

Seems yor arguing to burn the place down. Is there another path we can take. As the experts have said, even controlled burns are losing their effectiveness, soon, stopping climate change will be the ONLY solution.

IN December 2019 the BOM told the govt that there would be no significant rain until April

https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/major-flood-warning-for-rural-queensland/news-story/3379d4e3479019edf691f381a818471c

“””””””””””””””
Major flood warning for rural Queensland
Queensland’s regional southwest faces flooding after a weekend of heavy rainfall, while flood levels on the Balonne River could exceed 10 metres.””””””””””””””””””””””””””

There’s a reason RWNJ’s have been upgraded to RWFW’s

They bred and encouraged this shit, both trump and our own coalition have helped the rise in this abomination.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2018/aug/15/senators-line-up-to-shake-fraser-annings-hand-after-maiden-speech-video

“China has announced an immediate and “comprehensive” ban on the trade and consumption of wild animals, a widespread practice thought to be linked to the deadly coronavirus epidemic.”

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/china-bans-trade-and-consumption-of-wild-animals/news-story/d4f5eae8fa1f1ce9dbbbc296a630d70b

“If it has got four legs and it is not a chair, if it has got two wings and it flies but is not an aeroplane, and if it swims and it is not a submarine, the Cantonese will eat it.”

-Prince Phillip