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Hotel Hell: Quarantined Aussies say they’re being “treated like asylum seekers!”

April 1, 2020
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“A complete and utter dump”

DESPERATE AUSTRALIANS fleeing the peril of those floating petri dishes of hell like the Ruby Princess are now finding themselves thrust face-first into 14 days of mandatory quarantine at some of Australia’s finest 5 star hotels.

However, the picture is far from rosy, with many of these new-found “guests” reporting prison-like conditions, disgusting food, and staff who treat them “like criminals.”

“It’s a living hellhole,” said Felicity Purdue-Smythe, 62 of Mosman, NSW.

“We had just arrived back from our annual skiing trip in Aspen to suffer the indignity of being transported in ‘a bus’ to the Intercontinental Hotel at Circular Quay, only to find that our regular suite had been allocated to other travellers.”

“It’s a disgrace. I’ve never felt so humiliated in all my life, said Felicity”

breakfast

“The food is fucking awful” is a regular complaint

Her husband, retired General Sir Neville Codswallop, 86, agreed. “We had to wait an entire three minutes at check-in, and then a further 3 minutes and 37 seconds for the bellhop to deliver our luggage to the President’s Suite.”

“I had a bad feeling from the moment we arrived – and everything’s just gone from bad to worse. It’s been a fucking nightmare,” added Sir Neville.

“What’s more, the food is fucking awful!”

“For dinner, we were offered a choice of grain fed filet mignon with a blackberry and black truffle jus or wild alaskan salmon with beluga caviar and pomme frite. I only eat grass-fed Ayrshire beef from the Scottish Highlands so to be dished up this muck is a fucking insult..!”

“I’m not even going to discuss the Bordeaux!” spat Sir Neville.

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Guests complain the rooms are filthy and dishevelled

Self-funded retirees Joan and Lindsay Filthwhite of Condescension Manor, Toorak, agreed.

“From the moment we arrived it’s been an absolute nightmare. We’ve been stuck in this so-called five star Hilton hotel for two and half hours with limited access to the executive lounge, relaxation centre or rainforest spa. Room service is only available 24 hours and I’ve had to cancel my daily pedicure, manicure, chemical peel and colonic irrigation treatment.”

“We don’t have high expectations, but no one should have to endure this living hell.”

“We’re being treated like we’re asylum seekers but we haven’t done anything wrong. It’s just a horrible, horrible situation and I don’t know when it’s going to end,” sobbed Mrs Filthwhite.

If only they’d been au pairs things might’ve worked out differently.

519 Comments leave one →
  1. Tony permalink
    April 1, 2020 4:16 pm

    Seriously though, you do have to feel sorry for people put through this kind of hardship.

  2. April 1, 2020 6:18 pm

    It’s a disgrace. Even Alan Jones has lost his “butler”..

    People who’ve never “had” a butler wouldn’t understand.

  3. Tony permalink
    April 1, 2020 6:50 pm

    🤣😂

  4. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 1, 2020 7:11 pm

    What about the Queensland Public Servants who just got a 2.5% pay rise and a one off $1,250 from the taxpayers who are now losing their jobs?

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2020 7:39 pm

    What about the Queensland Public Servants who just got a 2.5% pay rise and a one off $1,250 from the taxpayers who are now losing their jobs?

    What about them …

    They now own all the five star hotels in Sydney … thanks to the The Peter Dutton Brokerage Consultancy with help from Luke Howarth Marketing Inc … they can be contacted at a local pest control company …

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2020 7:46 pm

    People who’ve never “had” a butler wouldn’t understand.

    Whoo! I know! …. … ours was so considerate on the Scenic European River Cruise … always a helping hand … I think he was offering help?

  7. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 1, 2020 7:56 pm

    TB

    What about the Queensland Public Servants who just got a 2.5% pay rise plus a one-off $1,250???.

    People in the private sector have to stay home. My dentists office rang me and told me my appointment is cancelled. And she told me she had just lost her job until who knows?

    Just ALP bribery giving govt workers more money by a political party who knows how to bribe people and to win votes from greedy people like no other political party in human history.

    The ALP is an abomination of a political party.

  8. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 1, 2020 8:16 pm

    I can see a fireplace in the room. I hope people don’t have to light it themselves!

    That’s what butlers do.

  9. April 1, 2020 9:01 pm

    “That’s what butlers do.”

    Amongst other things, or so I’m told..

  10. Tony permalink
    April 1, 2020 9:47 pm

    Here is the number of “job interviews” Alan Jones has conducted for a new butler.

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2020 11:41 pm

    Amongst other things, or so I’m told..

    Do you know something that, Kneel doesn’t?

  12. Tom R permalink
    April 2, 2020 9:15 am

    Here is the number of “job interviews” Alan Jones has conducted for a new butler.

    It’s a good thing the states broke from the feds and went full on into lock down then, isn’t it 😉

  13. Tony permalink
    April 2, 2020 9:25 am

    It’s a good thing the states broke from the feds and went full on into lock down then, isn’t it 😉

    Which states are in full lockdown? Victoria isn’t. Full lockdown will be when people aren’t allowed to go to work.

  14. Tony permalink
    April 2, 2020 9:27 am

  15. Tony permalink
    April 2, 2020 9:28 am

    😳🤣🤣

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 2, 2020 9:43 am

    I really can’t see these severe restrictions remaining in place for much more than another month.
    There will be more deaths from domestic violence and suicide than the coronavirus.
    The economy will tank for a generation.
    It’s about time to isolate the elderly and ailing, and start to allow others a little respite.

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 2, 2020 9:49 am

    Each year a thousand or so people die in road accidents. The response to the coronavirus is like reducing the speed limit to 10 km an hour to save lives.

  18. Tony permalink
    April 2, 2020 9:57 am

    We’ve got colder weather expected in Victoria next week. That’s when we’re more likely to see an uptick in new cases.

  19. Tom R permalink
    April 2, 2020 10:09 am

    Which states are in full lockdown?

    I’ll try it in yor Ingleesh

    FULL ON INTO LOCKDOWN

    That’s not the same as “full lockdown” 😉

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-23/federal-and-state-governments-school-closures-amid-coronavirus/12080062

  20. Tony permalink
    April 2, 2020 10:22 am

    That’s not the same as “full lockdown” 😉

    Righto then. How, exactly, have they “broke from the feds”?

  21. Tom R permalink
    April 2, 2020 10:26 am

    If only I’d put a link up or something, hey

  22. Tony permalink
    April 2, 2020 10:30 am

    Yes, Victoria started school holidays four days early. Are you suggesting this has anything to do with the downward trend in new cases? Most cases don’t involve children of school age.

    https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/covid-19-cases-in-australia-by-gender-and-age

  23. Tom R permalink
    April 2, 2020 10:31 am

    Most cases don’t involve children of school age.

    Nothing to do with the spread then either, is there. And, schools were just one where the states led, and the feds slowly tagged along

    Some poetry for the poetry minded

  24. Tony permalink
    April 2, 2020 10:37 am

    Victorian students will return to school on April 15th.

    Start of Term 2

    School staff will return on Tuesday 14 April. This will be a pupil free day.

    Students will return on Wednesday 15 April.

    The Victorian Chief Health Officer will advise on whether the transition to flexible and remote learning and support should commence on the first student day of Term 2 closer to the time.

    You should work with your staff to establish on-site staffing arrangements for the first few weeks of Term 2, in the event that we proceed with the transition to flexible and remote learning and support.

    You should also make sure that you have student health and wellbeing support in place for this term. For example, a phone number that students can call if they are feeling anxious or want to talk to a staff member.

    https://www.education.vic.gov.au/school/Pages/coronavirus-advice-schools.aspx

  25. Tom R permalink
    April 2, 2020 10:39 am

    students will return to school

    Yes, but at the critical time, they moved and stopped the majority from going, just like the pm did with his kids

  26. Tony permalink
    April 2, 2020 10:45 am

    Rock stars Actors! Is there anything they don’t know?

  27. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 2, 2020 10:54 am

  28. Tom R permalink
    April 2, 2020 11:00 am

    Is there anything they don’t know?

    When to say BEEP at the wrong Fucking time?

  29. Tony permalink
    April 2, 2020 11:06 am

  30. Tom R permalink
    April 2, 2020 11:14 am

    SO, the people who told us about Weapons of Non Destruction are now claiming that Chinas figures are as dodgy as … Americas figures?

    You know, they probably are.

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    April 2, 2020 11:15 am

    The response to the coronavirus is like reducing the speed limit to 10 km an hour to save lives.

    What a great idea … some fuckwit looking at his phone nearly ran me over on a crossing in a carpark yesterday!

    It’s about time to isolate the elderly and ailing, and start to allow others a little respite.

    I’d start with the dumb and the stupid …

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    April 2, 2020 11:18 am

    Most cases don’t involve children of school age.

    Yet! … complacency the covert killer …

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    April 2, 2020 11:22 am

    You know, they probably are.

    Its fkn hard work sometimes TR 😡

  34. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 2, 2020 11:59 am

    I’d start with the dumb and the stupid …

    You’d get life if that was the threshold

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    April 2, 2020 12:28 pm

    You’d get life if that was the threshold

    Life’s good on the outside … like I said the dumb and stupid …

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 2, 2020 12:38 pm

    I’m not sure what the Queensland version of Moe is, but the entire country will look like Moe following the reform of the power industry if these restrictions continue for more than a month.

    Put billions and billions into protecting the vulnerable, and let the economy get moving a little.

  37. Tony permalink
    April 2, 2020 3:07 pm

    But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

    “The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

    “On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three,” he says.

  38. Tom R permalink
    April 2, 2020 3:14 pm

    Wait, so, they were gonna die anyway, Covid just helped them on their way?

    That’s some cold shit right there

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    April 2, 2020 6:04 pm

    Moe? So that’s what they call Melbourne now – didn’t know that – had to check it on google …
    Put billions and billions into protecting the vulnerable, and let the economy get moving a little.

    And just who are “the vulnerable”? Everyone is fkn “vulnerable” – even you (obviously you) … and the economy is moving a little – just in a different direction to you …

  40. Tony permalink
    April 2, 2020 7:27 pm

    Graph of ABC presenters and public servants who think we need a total lockdown.

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    April 2, 2020 7:53 pm

    Good graph ToSY … but the “trend line ” is still up … not down … yet … eg the X axis begins at around 5-03 but still trend up to y axis around 1800 … the graph itself shows a decrease over time – however cumulative cases is also trending up … *

    The controls put in place by the nine governments seem to be working but confusing people … ie states, territories, Federal all playing instruments but often out of tune for the punters … Tas, Vic, NSW seem to be tougher (for good reason) but people here think it also applies to Qld …

    One good thing is that ToM can’t get over the border from Mexico … for quite some time … 😉

    * Apologies for sounding like a smart arse … but I did spend half my career in WH&S … stats was one of my favourite subjects at TAFE and uni … beware lies, lies, and damn statistics!

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 2, 2020 7:54 pm

    Just as a matter of interest TB, you can’t have a society without an economy

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    April 2, 2020 7:55 pm

    oops, misquote …. beware lies, damn lies and statistics! 😕

  44. Tony permalink
    April 2, 2020 8:01 pm

    A police force has had a surge in calls from people reporting their neighbours for “going out for a second run”.

    Government lockdown rules allow people to leave their homes to take one form of exercise a day.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-52052830

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    April 2, 2020 8:03 pm

    Just as a matter of interest TB, you can’t have a society without an economy

    You’re learning … but what is the reverse …

    Right now you are obviously missing society as demonstrated by your recent comments … had the economy (read fat cat elites) actually been concerned about the society that ensured an economy – the society now being attacked may have been better looked after …

    Life is not for profit engineering … it for living … trickle down politics failed … society …

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/10/opinions/osterholm-coronavirus-interview-bergen/index.html

  46. Tony permalink
    April 2, 2020 8:20 pm

    No worries TB. It’s good you are interested in statistics because you will understand what I’m about to stay.

    You are correct that the dark blue trend line for cumulative cases is still going up. It won’t go down, either, because it only registers the running total of all confirmed cases. It makes no attempt to remove cases which have since recovered and are no longer classed as active.

    The light blue bars, on the other hand, are new cases as they were reported daily and, as you can see, there is no trend line indicated for that. If there were it would rise, flatten out, then dip down towards (today’s date on) the right.

    https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers

  47. Tony permalink
    April 2, 2020 8:23 pm

    * about to say

  48. Tom R permalink
    April 3, 2020 8:28 am

    It won’t go down, either, because it only registers the running total of all confirmed cases

    That’s quite stupid then, isn’t it. We will never #flattenthecurve that way. 😉

    Interesting that the governments figures differ considerably from the Johns Hopkins University data. I wonder what differs in their methodology? Or maybe they just update differently?

    It shows around 300 new cases yesterday, while the government one shows around 150?

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2020/apr/02/coronavirus-update-live-news-australia-nsw-victoria-queensland-qld-tas-act-sa-wa-nt-covid19-latest-updates

    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    And the number of people being tested still remains quite low

    https://www.covidlive.com.au/aus

  49. Tom R permalink
    April 3, 2020 8:34 am

    I also see duttons emerged from his bunker, and the first thing he does is call someone else a liar. He really has failed miserably

    Spent his entire career telling us he can stop boats, the first one that comes that’s actually a threat, he fails miserably.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1245798164159844355.html

  50. Tony permalink
    April 3, 2020 9:22 am

    That’s quite stupid then, isn’t it.

    Yes. Victoria, however, includes ‘recovered’ in its figures.

    As of 2 April 2020, Victoria has 1,036 total confirmed cases, 30 people are in hospitals including six people in intensive care. five people have died. 60% of cases are directly linked to overseas travel, and 57 were locally acquired (in Victoria) with no know link to overseas travel or another confirmed case. In total, 422 people have recovered.

    https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-update

    So Victoria has had 1,036 total confirmed cases. Of those five have died and 422 have recovered. Therefore the number of ‘active’ cases is 609 – as distinct from the 1036 shown in the national 5224 total.

    https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers

    The same could be done for all states, and that 5224 would be broken down into active, died, and recovered.

    Using the Victorian percentage as an example, where around 41% have recovered, the national figures would be these:

    Total 5224, died 23, recovered 2142, active 3058.

  51. Tony permalink
    April 3, 2020 9:28 am

    *active 3059

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 3, 2020 9:32 am

    The curve flattens as we get fewer new cases, but obviously it won’t go down.

    Once the line is almost horizontal, it will be time to implement new restrictions, that protect those most at risk but allow others to emerge from the bunker and start to get the economy (and the reliant society) moving.

  53. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 3, 2020 9:34 am

    And by the way, the article reb posted is very entertaining!

    Just letting him know that it’s appreciated!

  54. Tom R permalink
    April 3, 2020 9:40 am

    start to get the economy (and the reliant society) moving.

    Seems the economy is reliant on the society too, doesn’t it 😉

  55. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 3, 2020 9:41 am

    Yes, one doesn’t exist without the other.

  56. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 3, 2020 10:14 am

    “And by the way, the article reb posted is very entertaining!

    Just letting him know that it’s appreciated!”

    Tick!

  57. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 3, 2020 10:22 am

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2020 10:34 am

    FYI …

    The ADF has formally ceased #OpBushfireAssist, having completed the emergency and recovery tasks requested by state and local authorities.

    During the operation, Defence contributed to the response and recovery efforts through the delivery of the following support:

    Clearance of over 4,850 kilometres of roads;
    Clearance and repair of over 1285 kilometres of fences;
    Clearance of over 240 kilometres of fire breaks;
    Production of nearly 10 million litres of drinking water for Kangaroo Island and Bega; and
    Provision of over 77,000 meals on Defence bases to emergency services personnel and evacuees.

    At its peak, more than 6,500 Defence members provided support as part of emergency relief, response and recover

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2020 10:42 am

    Yes, one doesn’t exist without the other.

    WOW! So they need to support each other then … not one suck the other dry?

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2020 10:48 am

    In Albury a 51-year-old man was fined after he was involved in a minor car accident and allegedly told police he had left his home in order to visit his drug dealer. He was later found to have a disqualified driving licence.

    LOL!

  61. Tony permalink
    April 3, 2020 10:54 am

    ToSY, trend lines are straight, they go up or down not both …

    All right, call it a line graph then. (A trend line on that bar graph could go up or down depending on which data points you chose.)

  62. ivi permalink
    April 3, 2020 1:03 pm

    (Tick!

    It’s still missing a little je ne sais quoi, im(h)o.)

  63. Tom R permalink
    April 3, 2020 1:20 pm

    wii wii ivi

  64. Tony permalink
    April 3, 2020 2:35 pm

    To control the spread of a dangerous virus that as yet has taken 24 lives in this country, 25 million Australians have been placed under indefinite house arrest, children’s playgrounds are locked and patrolled by security guards, and the police fly drones over beaches and parks.

    To control a virus that as yet has infected 5000 Australians, the response of doctors and politicians to this serious health crisis was to create also a humanitarian and an economic crisis. In the years to come Australians will quite rightly question whether there could have been a better way.

    Future generations will ask why the public was so quick to accept the opinions of those experts who presented the worst-case scenarios rather than listen to other experts, no less qualified to offer a judgment, but who suggested less draconian solutions than those that came to be implemented.

    https://ipa.org.au/publications-ipa/beautiful-one-day-police-state-the-next

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2020 2:41 pm

    ToSY, the other subject I found interesting was proxemics – very useful right now … four square metres …

    We sometimes arrive early at the cinema and sit in the middle on the back row – its very intersting watching where people sit as they arrive – and guessing where the the next one’s in will sit … got to be a bout 99% right …

    The ones that baffled us was the couple who sat right alongside us the whole movie … not another person in the place!

    Or a colleague, who rode an almost full lift, face to face with a woman, as people got off neither moved (as people do in lifts) … until there was just the two of them … she suddenly started to giggle and said “You wouldn’t be studying proxemics would you” … as it was they both were … fun and laughter …

    In the scheme of things Australians have an advantage in physical distancing compared to most countries who are used to less body space … seems to be working in our favour too …

  66. Tony permalink
    April 3, 2020 2:47 pm

    3aw gave out this recipe for the world’s simplest bread. It only requires flour, water, dried yeast and salt. Trouble is you can’t buy flour. Or yeast. 🙄

    https://www.3aw.com.au/adrian-richardsons-no-kneed-sourdough-bread-recipe/

  67. Tony permalink
    April 3, 2020 2:54 pm

    I can see why they shared the recipe though. Some people can’t earn a crust at the moment.

  68. Tony permalink
    April 3, 2020 2:54 pm

    I can see why they shared the recipe though. Some people can’t earn a crust at the moment.

  69. Tony permalink
    April 3, 2020 2:55 pm

    😳😳

  70. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 3, 2020 4:22 pm

    Doing it in style:

  71. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 3, 2020 4:54 pm

    “To control the spread of a dangerous virus that as yet has taken 24 lives in this country, 25 million Australians have been placed under indefinite house arrest, children’s playgrounds are locked and patrolled by security guards, and the police fly drones over beaches and parks.”

    That’s like writing: “Innocent residents from seaside resort where no one has drowned for over a decade are frogmarched to internment camps!” when there is a tidal wave fast approaching. It may be true that no one has drowned for over a decade but that is not the point. It is not a static situation. There are another 4 dead since you posted.

    In the US the number of deaths just doubled in the last three days. According to their obviously scaremongering president and his team the US will lose at least 100,000 people and quite possibly many more. In fact if hard measures are not taken they may lose up to 2 million people. Now maybe that is a price you are prepared to pay.

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2020 5:00 pm

    Doing it in style:

    That’ll show ’em whose boss …

    Prince Charles had to be tested “positive” to be isolated at Balmoral – although it was with Camilla … only seven days though … odd that 14 here seven in the UK … confusing or what …

    https://www.google.com.au/search?sxsrf=ALeKk02C1ReZ4PE_yDaI2PV2_PB43n4OYQ%3A1585893577954&source=hp&ei=ydCGXuSlOMaK4-EPz86WOA&q=balmoral+castle+images&oq=Balmoral+castle&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgCMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADoFCAAQgwFQng9YvEJgj1BoAHAAeACAAf8BiAGaFpIBBjAuMTAuNZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab

  73. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 3, 2020 5:04 pm

    This graph shows how trajectories change.

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2020 5:07 pm

    It is not a static situation. There are another 4 dead since you posted.

    But, but, its the … IPA!

    And Johnny “I Know Everyfink” Boy would know best … gotta keep dem wheels churnin’ and fuck health and safety! What do ya think we call ’em human resources?

    Whats’ wrong with nine year olds down a pit mine … he’s earning! Loaf of bread a day keeps the little bugger alive FFS.

    Or …

    For the voice of true wisdom is calling.
    “To rescue the fallen is good, but ’tis best
    To prevent other people from falling.”
    Better close up the source of temptation and crime
    Than deliver from dungeon or galley;
    Better put a strong fence ’round the top of the cliff
    Than an ambulance down in the valley.

  75. Tony permalink
    April 3, 2020 5:14 pm

    Now maybe that is a price you are prepared to pay.

    My case is we shouldn’t be basing our response on what is happening in countries just coming out of winter. The virus does not thrive well in warm, humid conditions. I say that’s why we have been spared the worst of it, not because of any draconian government policies. America and all those other countries are doing social distancing just as stringently as we are.

    Of course I may be wrong. Absolutely. But so might the ‘national cabinet’. We might be wrecking the joint for a virus that – and we won’t know for sure till later – might be incapable in our case of doing anything like the damage some are predicting.

  76. Tony permalink
    April 3, 2020 5:19 pm

    This graph shows how trajectories change.

    Yes it does. And none of those lines will ever go down, not until they remove confirmed cases that have since recovered.

  77. Tom R permalink
    April 3, 2020 5:20 pm

    when there is a tidal wave fast approaching.

    The stupid is quite strong there.

    While our response has been fairly poor, I’m both glad, and amazed, that the current government have stopped listening to the shills in the ipa etc and done what they have. Sure, I’d like more, but …

    We could have done much worst, just look at the US, who, even with the examples of Italy and Spain, still managed to stuff it up completely

    No wonder trumps trying to blame the Chinese for all of his failings now.

  78. Tony permalink
    April 3, 2020 5:28 pm

    The stupid is quite strong there.

    Just got stronger when you walked in.

  79. Walrus permalink
    April 3, 2020 6:15 pm

    Giggle 🙂

  80. Tom R permalink
    April 3, 2020 7:13 pm

    Just got stronger when you walked in.

    🙂

    What’s the point of an apocalypse if you can’t laugh 😉

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2020 7:40 pm

    Giggle 🙂

    Don’t do that Wally … the images! 😉

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Of course I may be wrong. Absolutely. But so might the ‘national cabinet’. We might be wrecking the joint for a virus that – and we won’t know for sure till later – might be incapable in our case of doing anything like the damage some are predicting.

    But.WE.Don’t .Know.

    For the voice of true wisdom is calling.
    “To rescue the fallen is good, but ’tis best
    To prevent other people from falling.”
    Better close up the source of temptation and crime
    Than deliver from dungeon or galley;
    Better put a strong fence ’round the top of the cliff
    Than an ambulance down in the valley.

    Might be.Could be.Should be.

    Give us a hug!

    This is the 21st Century Plague.

    Our Ancestors had no idea what they were dealing with either …

    But they didn’t have the knowledge … we do … use it

  82. Tony permalink
    April 3, 2020 7:54 pm

    But.WE.Don’t .Know.

    WTF are you even talking about?

    The biggest scare story has been that we might run out of intensive care unit (ICU) beds. If the only stats we are being given is total confirmed cases, people will fear the medical system won’t be able to treat them if they become infected. If the true statistics – how many people are infected at any one time – were given, much of the fear and anguish would be alleviated.

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2020 8:13 pm

    WTF are you even talking about? The biggest scare story

    Exactly that … no one knows … you me … anyone else … (WTF) its not my fault that its WTF BTW … it just is WTF …

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2020 9:36 am

    Its this easy … (my bold)

    The guests had been infected by a guest who had flown in from America and <b<had no idea they had the virus.

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/60-minutes-woman-infects-39-people-with-coronavirus-at-wedding/news-story/911c121bbeadd5ca6d3a4a4be522a939

  85. Tony permalink
    April 4, 2020 6:06 pm

    As at 3:00pm on 4 April 2020, there have been 5,548 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Australia. There have been 198 new cases since 3:00pm yesterday.

    https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers

    Apparently they’ll start including ‘recovered’ cases in the stats from next Tuesday(?).

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2020 7:37 pm

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/04/04/sailors-cheer-sacked-us-navy-captain-who-sounded-alarm-on-coronavirus/

    You don’t get to be Captain of a US aircraft carrier cause yer dumb … but you do get to be Secretary of the Navy cause you listen to a dumb leader …

    Wot fuckwits Ameican leaders are … thanks goodness ours have a dmeonstrated competence … *

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2020 7:40 pm

    Remember the Potemkin? (actually the Aurora)

    Its silly covernmnet decisions that put people on the streets … shoulder to stupid fucking shoulder … beware what you create!

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2020 7:44 pm

    Donald Trump has fired the inspector general for the intelligence community who handled the whistleblower complaint that led to his impeachment, prompting fierce criticism from Democrats.

    The US president chose a Friday night, with America consumed by the coronavirus pandemic, to tell the House of Representatives and Senate intelligence committees of his decision to dismiss Michael Atkinson.

    In a letter, Trump claimed it was “vital” that he had confidence in the appointees serving as inspectors general, and “that is no longer the case with regard to this inspector general”.

    The president would nominate an individual who has his full confidence at a later date, he added.

    More evidence of a dicktator* at work …

    Bit like Potato Head … where has Potato Head gone?

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2020 7:48 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/coronavirus-sydney-public-school-student-finds-way-into-private-schools-online-learning-system/news-story/52433e76969780dddd56a6b0489d6af5

    LOL! That’s how to show the “officer class: how its done …

    Big fan of Robin H … a Yorkshire lad …

  90. Tony permalink
    April 4, 2020 8:54 pm

    The data on COVID-19 differs wildly from country to country. Look at the figures for Italy and Germany. At the time of writing, Italy has 69,176 recorded cases and 6,820 deaths, a rate of 9.9 percent. Germany has 32,986 cases and 157 deaths, a rate of 0.5 percent. Do we think that the strain of virus is so different in these nearby countries as to virtually represent different diseases? Or that the populations are so different in their susceptibility to the virus that the death rate can vary more than twentyfold? If not, we ought to suspect systematic error, that the COVID-19 data we are seeing from different countries is not directly comparable.

    Look at other rates: Spain 7.1 percent, US 1.3 percent, Switzerland 1.3 percent, France 4.3 percent, South Korea 1.3 percent, Iran 7.8 percent. We may very well be comparing apples with oranges. Recording cases where there was a positive test for the virus is a very different thing to recording the virus as the main cause of death.

    https://spectator.us/deadly-coronavirus-still-far-clear-covid-19/

  91. Tony permalink
    April 4, 2020 8:59 pm

    Jonathan Sumption, a former U.K. Supreme Court justice, has been among those to express concerns. He said the actions of Derbyshire police were “frankly disgraceful” and told the BBC that the U.K. was in danger of becoming like a “police state.” He said:

    When human societies lose their freedom, it’s not usually because tyrants have taken it away. It’s usually because people willingly surrender their freedom in return for protection against some external threat. And the threat is usually a real threat but usually exaggerated. That’s what I fear we are seeing now. The pressure on politicians has come from the public. They want action. They don’t pause to ask whether the action will work. They don’t ask themselves whether the cost will be worth paying. . . The symptoms of coronavirus are clearly serious for those with other significant medical conditions, especially if they’re old. There are exceptional cases in which young people have been struck down, which have had a lot of publicity, but the numbers are pretty small. The Italian evidence, for instance, suggests that only in 12 per cent of deaths is it possible to say coronavirus was the main cause of death. So yes this is serious and yes it’s understandable that people cry out to the government. But the real question is: is this serious enough to warrant putting most of our population into house imprisonment, wrecking our economy for an indefinite period, destroying businesses that honest and hardworking people have taken years to build up, saddling future generations with debt, depression, stress, heart attacks, suicides and unbelievable distress inflicted on millions of people who are not especially vulnerable and will suffer only mild symptoms or none at all, like the Health Secretary and the Prime Minister.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-response-united-kingdom-former-supreme-court-justice-warns-of-police-state/

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 5, 2020 8:21 am

    This one is probably better than the previous f***wit, Jeremy Corbyn

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Starmer

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2020 9:03 am

    And thank christ they’ve finally fucked Jeremy off!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/04/keir-starmer-victorious-pledges-restore-trust-labour

  94. Tony permalink
    April 5, 2020 12:49 pm

    As of 4 April 2020, Victoria has 1,115 total confirmed cases (an increase of 30 since yesterday), 42 people are in hospitals including 10 people in intensive care. Sadly, eight people have died. 73 cases in Victoria have been identified from an unknown source (an increase of 11 since yesterday). In total, 527 people have recovered.

    That is 1,115 total cases minus eight dead and 527 recovered, so there are currently 580 people sick with the virus. On Friday that number was 609.

    https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-update

  95. April 5, 2020 3:35 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  96. Tony permalink
    April 5, 2020 6:12 pm


    As for the more seasoned and cynical in the world, they might say wiping out the entire global economy – with all the future deaths and misery that will inevitably follow – is perhaps an overreaction to a virus that is bad and deadly but far from the worst or deadliest thing facing the world at the moment.

    By way of example, the death rate of corona at the time of writing was over 50,000. By contrast, almost 10 million people die of cancer each year – 70 per cent in low- to middle-income countries – according to the World Health Organisation. Heart disease kills 18 million.

    And the vast majority of coronavirus deaths are people already suffering from cancer or heart disease or some other medical condition. In many cases it is actually this condition that is the major contributing factor to their death, even though it is counted as a coronavirus fatality. And in Italy, the worst hit country, the average age of death is almost 80.

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/joe-hildebrand-on-the-weeks-most-disgraceful-coronavirus-ban/news-story/1d67f5c9b101bbb49417fd91bd263142

  97. Tony permalink
    April 5, 2020 6:24 pm

    Graph of people being arrested for sitting alone on a park bench eating a kebab.

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2020 6:25 pm

    Name a creepier cunt.

    Trump … Lightyear … or both?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    ToSY, I read that opinion piece … could you tell me what it meant, please?

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2020 6:26 pm

    Graph of people being arrested for sitting alone on a park bench eating a kebab.

    Is that all? Is the dark blue line “with sauce”?

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2020 6:28 pm

    Speaking of food … The Minister is making me a bacon and chicken on BBQ pizza* for dinner … home-made all the way … with a base of beer bread … seriously bread made with a bottle of beer … and it tastes really good too …

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2020 6:44 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/severe-covid-19-illness-in-young-down-to-genes-or-viral-load-scientists-say

    And it seems that many of the elderly victims have an underlying medical issue …

    I hope and prey* that Bruz is on the money!

    *Got that from Sooty from Marketing!

    *Don’t bother ToM … 8)

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2020 6:45 pm

    😎

    😎

    Just testing

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2020 6:45 pm

    8)

  104. Tony permalink
    April 5, 2020 7:34 pm

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2020 7:51 pm

    Says it all … ToSY … enjoy some good music … not that crap that TR keeps throwing up (deliberate BTW!)

  106. Tony permalink
    April 5, 2020 8:37 pm

  107. Tony permalink
    April 6, 2020 4:39 am

    Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy says he is “increasingly confident” Australia will avoid the kind of devastation the coronavirus has caused in countries like Italy and the United States.

    Declaring Australia was in a “good place”, Professor Murphy said the number of COVID-19 cases continued to rise but the rate of growth was slowing.

    The death of a Ruby Princess passenger in Queensland, announced after Professor Murphy’s press conference, brought Australia’s death toll to 35. A total of 5,687 cases have been reported — an increase of 139 in 24 hours.

    “That is probably the lowest rise we’ve had for a few days and it does tend to continue the trend we’ve seen of flattening of the curve,” Professor Murphy said

    … Of the 5,687 people who have tested positive to the virus since January, more than 2,000 have already recovered …

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-05/chief-medical-officer-brendan-murphy-confident-coronavirus/12123154?pfmredir=sm

  108. Tom R permalink
    April 6, 2020 8:52 am

    not that crap that TR keeps throwing up (deliberate BTW!)

    I’m not sure I know what you mean?

    Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy says he is “increasingly confident” Australia will avoid the kind of devastation the coronavirus has caused in countries like Italy and the United States.

    You would very much hope so. That’s not saying much though, is it?

    At a time like this, the grubmint are STILL trying to screw over workers

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2020 9:38 am

    I’m not sure I know what you mean?

    Oh, yes you do … 😛

    Leyonhjelm??????????????????????????????? FFS!

    As for Ben’s quote … describe Liberty to me … and Safety … in the present situation …

    (and why do you constantly include American quotes? And references … this is Oz …)
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  110. Tom R permalink
    April 6, 2020 10:15 am

    Oh, yes you do

    ??? 🙂

  111. Tony permalink
    April 6, 2020 11:42 am

    Okay, we’ve now got the new dashboard which includes recovered cases. The current figures are 5687 total cases, 34 died, 2315 recovered, so 3338 active cases.

    Click to access coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_0.pdf

  112. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 6, 2020 11:43 am

  113. ivi permalink
    April 6, 2020 12:49 pm

    (???

    ????)

  114. Tom R permalink
    April 6, 2020 1:43 pm

    Cookie Monsters got a pet dog 🙂

  115. Tony permalink
    April 6, 2020 3:58 pm

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2020 4:49 pm

    Here ya go ToSY … Australian good “news” … with caveats of course …

    The prevalence of Covid-19 in Australia could peak in mid-April and new cases reduce to almost zero by July, according to modelling by the University of Sydney.

    But the story doesn’t end there: without widespread testing to detect asymptomatic cases of Covid-19, and a firm hold on social distancing measures that remain in place up to four weeks after the person with the last known infection has recovered, the curve will shoot back up.

    “That’s pretty much the exit strategy,” said Professor Mikhail Prokopenko, a pandemic modelling expert and the director of the Centre for Complex Systems at Sydney University, who is leading the modelling team. “It must be based in testing.” ……

    The outlook predicted by the Sydney University simulation is based on a 90% compliance with social distancing rules.

    It assumes the incidence peak — the number of new cases reported daily — was hit in late March, and a prevalence peak — the number of cases active at once — in mid-April. Under this scenario the total number of cases in Australia will reach between 8,000 and 10,000. As of Monday, the actual numbers show 5,744 cases.

    “The incidence peak is fairly clear,” he said. “It has fallen and if nothing outrageous happens again, like an outbreak or a new cruise ship disaster, it will continue going down.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/06/new-coronavirus-cases-in-australia-could-number-almost-zero-by-july-modelling-suggests

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2020 4:55 pm

    Sadly, once again we are reminded that Ridley Scott and Russell Crowe’s masterpiece, Gladiator, is the movie for this presidency and its tumultuous times. In one scene, a senator, Gracchus, attempts to confront Commodus, the emperor, about a plague spreading through Rome. The emperor declines, threatens the senator and muses about disbanding the Senate.

    On Thursday, Trump forced the removal of Captain Brett Crozier from his command of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt, for having the temerity to plead his sailors’ case as more than 100 of them tested positive for coronavirus.

    If you can leave your soldiers to suffer then no American is truly safe, no matter what Jeanine Pirro may say. Crozier left the ship to the cheers of the crew – then reportedly tested positive himself.

    Hours after dismissing Crozier, Trump sacked Michael Atkinson, the intelligence community’s inspector general, for simply doing his job. Trump’s Ukraine call was never perfect, however many times he says it was.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/05/trump-is-killing-his-own-supporters-coronavirus-covid-19

  118. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 6, 2020 4:57 pm

    “????)” Too right ivi. Give me some good honest death metal any day. Much better than the NWOBHM Tom R serves up! Like this 20 seconds of mayhem:

    Now tell me TomR, how is your new home gym going? I have got the weights out and every few days I have a look at them and resolve to do a few reps and don’t. My gym questions for you are: do you have Iron Maiden pumping out of your speakers or do you use headphones? and do you work out naked and just use a towel on the bench? Just trying to conjure up an image here!

    I assume the rest of you, having pissed off your partners in quarantine, spend your time watching porn and learning to love yourselves a little more each day, so to speak.

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2020 5:03 pm

    Donny Hump and Clivey Palmer (I bet he knows her daughters too) … both in the same sentence … its become that ludicrous …

    Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have potentially severe, and even deadly, side effects if used inappropriately, including heart failure and toxicity.

    This drug is currently being promoted as a potential cure by US president Donald Trump and Australian mining magnate Clive Palmer.

    Meyerowitz-Katz said the suggestion chloroquine could cure the virus was based on a seriously flawed paper.

    The rest are amusing, if not downright dangerous

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/mar/28/dangerous-cures-and-viral-hoaxes-common-coronavirus-myths-busted

  120. Tony permalink
    April 6, 2020 5:21 pm

    Graph of the number of teenaged learner drivers in the People’s Republic of Victoria fined $1625 for non-essential travel.

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2020 5:48 pm

    Ahhh … that’s how they’re getting revenue for the handouts … of course, ToSY, well spotted … 😐

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2020 5:54 pm

    Here ya go TR!

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2020 5:58 pm

    Story of my life … The Minister got her $750 … guess what I got …

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2020 6:02 pm

    Pope Francis has begun Easter week celebrations in St Peter’s Basilica under extraordinary circumstances, with no congregation allowed due to the coronavirus pandemic.

    Francis led the Palm Sunday Mass accompanied only by a few priests.

    So what happened to “faith, hope and prayers?”

    Hypocrites …

  125. Tom R permalink
    April 6, 2020 6:05 pm

    guess what I got …

    To help yourself? 😉

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2020 6:10 pm

    Chuckle … as usual … now you know why I drink bowlers run …

    Although I do supplement it (regularly) with Long Branch … speaking of …

  127. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 6, 2020 6:21 pm

    … guess what I got …

    What you deserve?

  128. Tony permalink
    April 6, 2020 6:28 pm

    Another annoying phrase to add to the list: “at this time”.

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 6, 2020 6:35 pm

    Has anyone mentioned the ridiculous over reach by the Vic Police in fining a 17 year old girl for being taught to drive by her mother?
    If there’s a crowd funding campaign to pay the fine or pay for a lawyer to defend the case, I’ll kick in!
    Cops haven’t changed for a generation, always dumb bullies- that’s the police recruitment pool.

  130. April 6, 2020 6:46 pm

    I just asked my husband if he wanted anything to eat for dinner.

    He said, ” What are the choices?”

    I replied, ” Yes or fucking no.”

  131. Tony permalink
    April 6, 2020 6:54 pm

    If there’s a crowd funding campaign to pay the fine or pay for a lawyer to defend the case, I’ll kick in!

    Great. Can you give them something from me as well? I’m a bit short at the moment but I’ll fix you up when the weather breaks.

  132. Tony permalink
    April 6, 2020 7:00 pm

    “Where the willingness is great, the difficulties cannot be great.” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2020 7:11 pm

    Cops haven’t changed for a generation, always dumb bullies- that’s the police recruitment pool.

    Spliff?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL! Onya, V!

    Reminds me of our “stay” in PNG … “would you like tea or coffee/” … “Yes please”

    And the classic … to the houseboy (yep some had ’em in 1988) …

    “Luke, put a chicken in the refrigerator for dinner, please …”

    Expat came home, opened the fridge for a beer and a fucking hen flew out!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You didn’t get a hand out either? According to, ToM we got what we deserved … apparently

    And you quote Machiavelli!!!! We are his victims!

  134. Tony permalink
    April 6, 2020 7:25 pm

    We are his victims!

    Speak for yourself. I’m nobody’s victim.

  135. Tony permalink
    April 6, 2020 7:53 pm

    There are now 3324 active cases. Yesterday there were 3338. A small reduction, but a reduction nevertheless.

    Click to access coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_1.pdf

  136. Tony permalink
    April 6, 2020 8:33 pm

    😂🤣

  137. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 6, 2020 9:01 pm

    “I replied, ” Yes or fucking no.”

    Pissed myself – the world needs more curmudgeons!

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2020 9:48 pm

    Hey, splatterbum, your in luck!

    https://confidenceclub.com.au/products/all-in-one-extra-large?variant=2928425795595

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2020 9:50 pm

    Three people in their 30s with no pre-existing conditions are on ventilators in NSW in what health officials are calling a virus “wake up call”.

  140. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 8:17 am

  141. Tom R permalink
    April 7, 2020 9:09 am

    hildebrand shows how much of a fucking idiot he is.

    the countries showing they can flatten the curve have all implemented strict conditions early. The us didn’t, they took the Hilde approach. That’s working out well.

    Yes, some of the implementation has been atrocious, but, it has saved lives. And newscorp complains

    Pretty soon it’ll be the thing that never happened, like the GFC, the millennium bug or the Hole in the Ozone layer.

    Just because you defeat it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t there

    The only thing we know is, the feds will garner the praise for stopping it, the states will cop the flak for doing what stopped it. (IF it is …)

    In related news, I see the Unions have taken ‘assurances’ from the grubmint. Fucking idiots, throwing workers under the bus like that.

  142. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 9:22 am

    hildebrand shows how much of a fucking idiot he is.

    Lol. The only thing I didn’t know when I put up that tweet was who would attack the source: TomR or TB Queensland.

  143. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 9:25 am

    The catastrophists wanted a complete, total lockdown. No state has done that. Many people are still going to work. Some children will be back at school next week. This is not what they wanted demanded.

  144. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 10:07 am

    Breaking: High Court George Pell decision: Appeal allowed, convictions quashed. Unanimous decision by full bench of the court.

  145. Walrus permalink
    April 7, 2020 10:11 am

    BANG………BANG…………..BANG………..KABOOM………….KABOOM………………KABOOM

    Lefties’ heads explode everywhere

  146. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 10:14 am

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2020 10:17 am

    So Pell is not guilty. That should get coronavirus off the front page for an hour or two

  148. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 10:20 am

    That should get coronavirus off the front page for an hour or two

    For sure. The judgement was unanimous 7-0. Who’ll be the first to attack the court or individual judges?

  149. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 7, 2020 10:21 am

    Acquitted unanimously! The great man enjoys the presumption of innocence!

  150. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 10:38 am

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2020 11:49 am

    Lefties’ heads explode everywhere

    Why is it political?

    So Pell is not guilty.

    Has been found not guilty … the prick’s not innocent …

    (Who’ll be the first to attack … Nice try …

    I think you meant comment against Pell … I wouldn’t let the bastard anywhere near my kids … will the Pope bless him, have him back counting out the money, I wonder?

    Reasons for judgment in Pell v The Queen …

    You only need one, surely? And seven Catholic judges … ? 😈

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2020 11:52 am

    The great man enjoys the presumption of innocence!

    Cleverly put, sb, ’tis only a presumption … but this is the amusing part, “the great man” …

    JC’s spinning on his cross again …

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2020 11:55 am

    And just in time for Easter Mess …. 😉

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2020 12:10 pm

    I notice Mr Potato Head has kept it down for some time since the Ruby Princess fiasco … Pauline Hanson is calling for heads to roll … but not a mention of Dopey Dutton … his mate Lukey Howarth has been very quite since the last election too …

  155. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 12:14 pm

    … the prick’s not innocent …

    I thought you’d done a couple of units of law. They should have taught you the basics. Everyone – even Pell – is innocent till proven guilty. His conviction has been quashed. Ergo, he’s innocent.

    And seven Catholic judges … ?

    Congratulations, you’re first to attack the court and the judges.

  156. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 12:35 pm

    I’m pretty sure Justice Edelman, to pick just one, is not a Catholic.

    Acknowledging your Honour’s eclectic nature, three things specifically in the context of your Honour’s present appointment are, however, worth some very brief specific comment. Your Honour is three notable things: your Honour is young; your Honour is an academic and your Honour is Jewish.

    Click to access Edelman_J_Welcome_25_July_2011.pdf

    https://www.hcourt.gov.au/justices/current/justice-james-edelman

  157. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 7, 2020 12:40 pm

    The High Court did itself and Australian justice a great service by finding for Pell. The legal point was simple enough – if the defence witnesses give unchallenged evidence which raises a reasonable doubt as to the defendant’s guilt then the jury must acquit. That is what ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ means.

    Once a doubt is raised it is for the prosecution to prove that it is not a reasonable doubt. In this case multiple witnesses gave evidence that raised a reasonable doubt. The evidence was not challenged by the prosecution. Thus the prosecution did not come close to proving that there was no reasonable doubt.

    If you care about the presumption of innocence there was no other decision than acquittal. This was clear enough to anyone who read Weinberg’s dissent in the Court of Appeal. This decision is a great victory for the presumption of innocence.

    Of course anti-Catholic bigots everywhere will still believe Pell did it. I believe he didn’t but that is something reasonable people can disagree on. I am all for driving perverts out of the Church. I just don’t think Pell is one of them.

    Also the two judges who upheld the conviction in the Court of Appeal were Catholics. Sadly there were also ignoramuses. A seven nil smackdown by the High Court is not a trivial thing.

  158. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 7, 2020 12:45 pm

    “Gageler met his wife, Carla, while at the ANU. They have a daughter and two sons. The family attends a Roman Catholic church, through the influence of Carla, although Gageler considers himself an Anglican.”

  159. Tom R permalink
    April 7, 2020 1:45 pm

    who would attack the source

    Why wouldn’t I. Of course, I attacked him with a reasoned explanation.

    And yes, the states did what needed, not what the “catastrophists wanted ”

    They shit the schools when the feds wouldn’t.

    Nuff said.

    Good to see the high court can get what the government wants when it’s been stacked enough. Free reign for religious kiddy fiddlers for at least the next decade. Nice work that.

    Of course anti-Catholic bigots everywhere will still believe Pell did it

    Pretty sure its a ‘reasonable doubt’ thing, which only the most financed fiddlers get.

  160. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 2:19 pm

    Why wouldn’t I. Of course, I attacked him

    As I knew you would. It’s what you do. Always.

    with a reasoned explanation.

    Ya think? Which bit, the Y2K bug or the hole in the Ozone layer?

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2020 2:24 pm

    Yes , innocence is only presumes for people like Craig Thompson. Not for catlicks

  162. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 2:35 pm

    Pretty sure its a ‘reasonable doubt’ thing, which only the most financed fiddlers get.

    Everyone gets it. Everyone is innocent until a charge against them has been proven beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law. The high court found this did not happen.

  163. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2020 2:48 pm

    It’s an awful outcome for the catlick haters

  164. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 7, 2020 2:56 pm

    Yes , innocence is only presumed for people like Craig Thompson.”

    He has no presumption of innocence left. He was convicted and the conviction was upheld on appeal. The judge found that he was thieving fraudster who rooted whores! Could have happened to anyone I suppose. Or at least any union boss. Long live the red turbo spa room!

  165. April 7, 2020 3:16 pm

    “It’s an awful outcome for the catlick haters”

    Not really. He was a dismissive, uncaring cunt before all this transpired and remains one today.

    I remain non-fussed, tbh.

  166. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 3:16 pm

    It’s an awful outcome for the catlick haters

    Tragic.

    This is where the bigots drop their mask. They’re happy to celebrate the legal process and the outcome of a court case when it gives the decision they want. They can point their finger and assert their moral superiority.

    This time, not so much.

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2020 4:06 pm

    George Pell is staying just around the corner! I’m going to wander past (walk the dog) and check out the media scrum!

    I’ll post my observations about the social distancing!

  168. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 7, 2020 4:11 pm

    “I remain non-fussed, tbh.”

    Pell was always a polarising figure. I don’t see how the decision of the High Court could change peoples’ opinion of him. And there is nothing wrong with that.

    The great thing about the case is the strong defence of the presumption of innocence. We all should be glad of that.

  169. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2020 4:25 pm

    Lots of photographers, taking photos of us dog walkers! A few vans with the tv logos! Some old people milling about!
    It’s the most exciting thing in the neighbourhood since Richard Pratt’s mistress sold her story!

  170. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 4:27 pm

    Justice Weinberg of the Victorian Court of Appeals would be feeling vindicated today. The other two justices might be a bit more sheepish.

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2020 4:44 pm

    Pretty sure its a ‘reasonable doubt’ thing, which only the most financed fiddlers get.

    Pretty much … but its funny to watch all the rabid supporters jumping up and down … even when they know that Pell has been legally acquitted …

    And ToSY … I can assure you I took a few more “units” of law than a couple … only touched on criminal law but as splatterbum pointed out the foundations don’t change much … but “beyond reasonable doubt” is a bit stronger than “on the balance of probabilities” …

    Splatter, I just don’t think Pell is one of them. tbh, I suspect he isn’t too … but … I do suspect he aided and abetted many of them … the bloke driving the getaway car is just as guilty as the thieves …

    And I agree wholeheartedly with reb’s assessment … He was a dismissive, uncaring cunt before all this transpired and remains one today.

    As for the decision … I’ve sat in a few courts* in my time (different roles) and firmly believe you have to be there to understand the decisions …

  172. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2020 4:54 pm

    And how about Tony Abbott! He visited a convicted paedophile an innocent man, wrongly convicted

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2020 4:55 pm

    This story broke a few days ago …

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/abused-nurse-tells-public-it-is-wrong-this-has-got-to-stop-20200401-p54fyy.html

    I noticed a nurse in scrubs enter our local supermarket last Thursday and mentioned when The Minister got into the car … at the time I didn’t think anything of it …

    After the story broke I had a rethink and came to the conclusion that I could understand some people being concerned … are the nurses coming home in the scrubs they wore all day? ‘Cause if they are?

    I think I’d be changing before and after work and showering before that!

  174. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 4:58 pm

    Twitter is in full conspiracy meltdown mode. Apparently the High Court is in on the protection racket.

  175. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 7, 2020 5:04 pm

    Annoying jargon: I’m sick to death of hearing the word “re-imagining”. It is the hallmark of vacuous toss-pots the world over. Wankers everywhere “re-imagine” their fevered hands to be moist pulsating orifices greedy for spurts of glistening glorious jism.

  176. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 5:09 pm

    … but “beyond reasonable doubt” is a bit stronger than “on the balance of probabilities” …

    What’s your point?

    “The Australian criminal justice system is based on a presumption of innocence. This means that a person who has been accused of a crime is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.”

    The seven High Court justices “found that the jury, acting rationally on the whole of the evidence, ought to have entertained a doubt as to the applicant’s guilt with respect to each of the offences for which he was convicted”.

  177. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 5:11 pm

    “re-imagining”

    Agree splatter. My latest is “lean in”.

  178. Tom R permalink
    April 7, 2020 5:21 pm

    lean in to this re-imaging

  179. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 7, 2020 5:48 pm

    That article is basically correct, Tom R. The Church has done dreadful things and still requires cleaning up. But abolishing the presumption of innocence and the need for proof beyond reasonable doubt is not the way to do it.

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2020 6:04 pm

    What’s your point?

    You don’t know?

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2020 6:12 pm

    Just checked my speed … 93.52mbps …

    Well done Aussie Broadband … $75 pm …

  182. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 6:26 pm

    It did not find that Pell didn’t do it, nor that the complainant was a liar.

    That’s right, they don’t do that. People are found guilty or not guilty. Pell was found by the High Court to be not guilty.

  183. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 6:32 pm

    You don’t know?

    No, hence my question. What is your point?

  184. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 6:36 pm

    Current total cases 5908 less 45 died and 2547 recovered equals 3316 active cases. Yesterday that number was 3324.

    Click to access coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_3.pdf

  185. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2020 6:50 pm

    Those found not guilty are presumed innocent. That’s the system, I’m not sure whether there is any debate about it.

  186. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 6:52 pm

    Graph of the number of twitter users who tweeted their apoplectic outrage over the Pell verdict conspiracy outrage travesty.

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2020 7:14 pm

    Finally … Parliament meets tomorrow …

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2020 7:15 pm

    Those found not guilty are presumed innocent.

    Argument? No, precedent!

    Innocent means that you did not commit the crime. Not Guilty means that there was not sufficient evidence to determine that you did commit the crime. Reasonable doubt is what defense attorneys hammer into jurors’ heads.

  189. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2020 7:20 pm

    Yeah, right TB. Try reading a few of these and let me know what you think.

    https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-google&source=android-browser&q=presumption+of+innocence

  190. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 8:00 pm

    The High Court justices didn’t say Pell is innocent (they don’t need to do that), but they did say there is a significant possibility he is. From the full judgement:

    119. Upon the assumption that the jury assessed A’s evidence as thoroughly credible and reliable, the issue for the Court of Appeal was whether the compounding improbabilities caused by the unchallenged evidence summarised in (i), (ii) and (iii) above nonetheless required the jury, acting rationally, to have entertained a doubt as to the applicant’s guilt. Plainly they did. Making full allowance for the advantages enjoyed by the jury, there is a significant possibility in relation to charges one to four that an innocent person has been convicted.

    127. The unchallenged evidence of the applicant’s invariable practice of greeting congregants after Sunday solemn Mass, and the unchallenged evidence of the requirement under Catholic church practice that the applicant always be accompanied when in the Cathedral, were inconsistent with acceptance of A’s evidence of the second incident. It was evidence which ought to have caused the jury, acting rationally, to entertain a doubt as to the applicant’s guilt of the offence charged in the second incident. In relation to charge five, again making full allowance for the jury’s advantage, there is a significant possibility that an innocent person has been convicted.

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/cth/HCA//2020/12.html

  191. Tony permalink
    April 7, 2020 8:07 pm

    Because Chairman Dan is drunk on power?

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2020 10:16 pm

    Yeah, right TB. Try reading a few of these and let me know what you think.

    Why? You never read anything I put up … never answer questions … just make arrogant unsubstantiated comments … and questions … with no reply if they are answered …

    Are you related to Donald Trump?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Pretty much what I’ve been saying, hey?

    Actually as I said earlier … do I care? Give it a rest. I wasn’t there – you weren’t there. Pointless comments … Pell is legally not guilty …

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2020 10:17 pm

    Sam fkn Newman … FFS!

  194. April 8, 2020 1:43 am

    “Sam fkn Newman … FFS!”

    LOL.. Exactly…!

  195. Shane in QLD permalink
    April 8, 2020 5:08 am

    How many of you on here went to a catholic boarding school run by priests ?

    I did, and i know exactly what when on there and the cover ups and lies and the procedures when a clergy offends.What happened when a clergy strayed. What I could tell you would make you very uncomfortable. I also know that where there is smoke there is fire and as far as i am concerned while Pell may have been found not guilty by the high court under appeal, he was found guilty by a jury of his peers which has then been overridden by a compote of elite and a massive bunch of lawyers.

  196. Tony permalink
    April 8, 2020 7:51 am

    while Pell may have been found not guilty by the high court under appeal, he was found guilty by a jury of his peers which has then been overridden by a compote of elite and a massive bunch of lawyers.

    Actually, the High Court said the jury (and the Court of Appeal) got it wrong.

    the issue for the Court of Appeal was whether the compounding improbabilities caused by the unchallenged evidence summarised in (i), (ii) and (iii) above nonetheless required the jury, acting rationally, to have entertained a doubt as to the applicant’s guilt. Plainly they did.

  197. shaneinqld permalink
    April 8, 2020 7:59 am

    How a selection of elite judges can find the decision of a jury of a persons peers as being wrong simply amazes me. Why have juries at all then? Why not just a bunch of judges sit on every trial in the land. If the high court can overrule a jury then the jury system is totally obsolete. Our legal system is broken. A jury is selected from a random panel of citizens, with the defence able to scruitinise those selected for the jury, with a number of rejections given to both the defence and the prosecution until the actual jury is selected. To then have either side appeal to a court full of judges to then override the whole process is an abomination. The jury did NOT entertain a doubt as a jury must be unanimous in its decision. To have a few judges throw out a jury unanimous decision is simply wrong.

  198. Tony permalink
    April 8, 2020 8:01 am

    “Sam fkn Newman … FFS!”

    LOL.. Exactly…!

    Correct.

  199. Tony permalink
    April 8, 2020 8:08 am

    If the high court can overrule a jury then the jury system is totally obsolete. Our legal system is broken.

    Just a wild guess here, but you probably wouldn’t be saying that if you were found guilty of a crime you had not committed.

  200. Tony permalink
    April 8, 2020 8:21 am

    George Pell first learned he was a free man when a chorus of cheers echoed through the high-security jail where he was held, with his first reaction to the High Court decision: ‘Well, that’s great’.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8196685/amp/George-Pells-reaction-jail-child-sex-abuse-conviction-quashed.html

  201. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 8, 2020 8:33 am

    The decision of the High Court was a victory for justice. Those who would like to see Pell convicted so as to not discourage victims from coming forward are disgustingly vile pieces of shit. He should be convicted if the prosecution proved beyond reasonable doubt that he committed the crime.

    In this case the prosecution abjectly failed to do so. It was always impossible that they would be able to do so based on uncorroborated statements of the victim. And it would be disgraceful if our legal system permitted such convictions to stand.

    The High Court has not made new law here. It has applied existing law. The relevant cases are cited in the judgment.

    Finally, the High Court should be composed of the intellectual elite. The idea is that it should be populated by the best and the brightest members of the legal profession. This is usually the case. The rare exceptions are the relatively few examples of ALP cronyism such as the appointment of the execrable Lionel Murphy.

  202. Tony permalink
    April 8, 2020 8:57 am

    There were 33 new cases in Victoria yesterday bringing the cumulative total to 1191. Take away 11 who have died and 686 who’ve recovered, means there are 494 currently sick with the virus. On Sunday there were 580 and last Friday it was 609. Of those 494, 45 are in hospital and 13 of those are in intensive care.

  203. shaneinqld permalink
    April 8, 2020 9:11 am

    Tony. I am not the one on trial here and using assumptions and hypothesis is ridiculous. A jury makes the decision or why have them. I note you have not answered that question.

    Splatter. A jury accepted unanimously that that the prosecution proved Beyond Reasonable Doubt. A jury. A selection of individual peers. That is Beyond Reasonable Doubt. Nothing Less. To then have a number of judges decide a full unanimous Jury was wrong, flies in the face of our judicial system as far as I am concerned. If he was found not guilty and then the judges found the jury were wrong I would have the same opinion. Overriding a unanimous jury by a group of elites places all of us at the whim of judges and not our peers. I have no objection to the selection of high court judges with the best skills. I have the massive objection of their ability to override a unanimous jury. Can you not see the difference or do you want to play political point scoring adding the ALP. I want Pell convicted because a JURY Unanimously found him guilty or does that fail to be comprehended.

  204. Tony permalink
    April 8, 2020 9:25 am

    A jury makes the decision or why have them.

    You’re not the first to ask that. The Victorian Government is considering that very question.

    The Andrews Government will consider introducing judge-only trials in Victoria in a move that some lawyers believe could enhance the right to a fairer court hearing.

    New state Attorney-General Jill Hennessy has asked her department to examine the matter, which would bring Victoria into line with other Australian states.

    My point is the appeals process provides checks and balances against convicting the innocent and if you were falsely convicted you’d be happy it was there.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/national/victoria/andrews-government-considers-judge-only-trials-for-criminal-cases-20181213-p50m5u.html

  205. April 8, 2020 9:27 am

    “My point is the appeals process provides checks and balances against convicting the innocent and if you were falsely convicted you’d be happy it was there.”

    Good point.

  206. Tom R permalink
    April 8, 2020 9:48 am

    Graph of the number of twitter users who tweeted their apoplectic outrage over the Pell verdict conspiracy outrage travesty.

    Pretty sure the graphs heading the wrong way for that metric 😉

    As I said, if it wasn’t for the states, we would be heading Americas way, and we still might

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2020 10:16 am

    … building up herd immunity

    Even the terminology is insulting … were not fkn cattle …

    I still find Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Centre the best for detailed info.

  208. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 8, 2020 10:18 am

    Shane: “To then have a number of judges decide a full unanimous Jury was wrong, flies in the face of our judicial system as far as I am concerned. “

    No! Supervision of juries is part of our judicial system. Appellate courts are reluctant to overturn jury decisions but will do so where the decision of the jury is unsafe because no rational jury could make that decision. This is all explained in the judgment.

    If jury decisions were not subject to appellate review then there would be no avenue for a wrongly convicted defendant to have his conviction reviewed. This would be seriously unjust. In almost every successful appeal against a conviction for serious crimes a jury verdict is overturned. Apparently you want to terminate the right of a convicted person to appeal.

    In this case no rational jury could come to the decision that the prosecution had proved its case beyond reasonable doubt. This will inevitably be the case were there is no evidence whatsoever to corroborate the victims narrative and there is unchallenged evidence that the defendant was not able to have committed the offence as charged. It is right and proper that the HIgh Court exercised its power to overturn the conviction.

    In our system it is likely that some guilty people will escape conviction. Blackstone, one of the most influential jurists in the Anglo legal tradition, famously said: “It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.”

  209. April 8, 2020 10:20 am

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  210. Tom R permalink
    April 8, 2020 10:28 am

    His Churlishness 🙂

    If jury decisions were not subject to appellate review then there would be no avenue for a wrongly convicted defendant to have his conviction reviewed.

    Yes, we can’t always agree on the outcome, but, it’s still the fairest system around, The statement by the (alleged) victim is very true.

  211. Tony permalink
    April 8, 2020 10:51 am

    Chairman Dan: “It gives me no pleasure …”

    I seriously doubt that.

  212. ivi permalink
    April 8, 2020 11:21 am

    (In this case the prosecution abjectly failed to do so. It was always impossible that they would be able to do so based on uncorroborated statements of the victim. And it would be disgraceful if our legal system permitted such convictions to stand.

    Ah.

    …. but “beyond reasonable doubt” is a bit stronger than “on the balance of probabilities” …

    It’s possibly the difference between an HD and a C; bearing in mind that G-O-D only rates 90%, while YOUR law professor rates 100%; and The Great Dissenter, who once rubbed wigs’n’gowns with those a present court likes to cite as compelling precedent for their ultra-reasonable ratiocinations, probably only would award their Unanimouses a D for their sophisticated group effort: see mention of ‘each party’, then observe the (in)opportunities – any and all (im(possibly) (re(cast)(in)nominate ‘rhetorical flourishes’ aside – for applied pres(s)tidigitations to the scales and/or the (w)hole(s) of (the) evidence(s).)

  213. Tony permalink
    April 8, 2020 1:00 pm

    Herr Andrews just said he hopes it rains all weekend because it would force everybody to ‘do the right thing’ and stay inside.

    But it gives him no pleasure to say that. Honest it doesn’t.

  214. ivi permalink
    April 8, 2020 1:09 pm

    (Or, to put it another way, Splatter, the HCA, as a party in its own right, may have rejected the defence’s persistent attempts to prove Pell ‘innocent’ by reason of ‘impossibility(ies)’, which infected initial trial and first appeal considerations, even as it was re-re-presented to the HCA, in favour of the accepted standard of (not) guilt(y) beyond reasonable doubt, and the HCA may have used the vehicle of effluxion of time and statutory caveats as applied to opportunity witnesses, and the ‘impossibility’ of their providing any further definitiving probative evidences, either way, other than their (un)prompted) equivocations at initial trial, to reinforce that accepted standard; in some ways, then, the defence strategy was a masterstroke in attempting to corrupt an initial trial, possibly for purpose of appeal, possibly because/in cause of client zealotry, although it did fail, repeatedly, and yet the prosecution had no clear answer to a more accepted/acceptable form of defence and/or standard; nevertheless, all Pell’s defence team was left with, in crushing victory, was acknowledgement of the ‘significant risk of an innocent person (be(ing) found guilty’, and (un)reasonable doubt about an (in)ability to crystallize that risk(-of-risk) at (re)trial; or something(s) like that.)

  215. Tom R permalink
    April 8, 2020 1:27 pm

    These fucks are insane. Do they realize where boris is at hte moment?

    Thank Dog for the States and people like Herr Andrews!

  216. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 8, 2020 1:33 pm

    Retardland, if the prosecution presents only the uncorroborated (vague) word of the (alleged) victim it is difficult to see how it could ever succeed in proving something beyond reasonable doubt.

    It is no surprise that the High Court found as it did. This is a particularly strong bench. My favourites are Gageler and Gordon but the rest are very capable as well.

    The surprise was that two judges of the VCA prostituted themselves by trying to reverse the onus of proof in relation to alibi evidence. The 7-0 shellacking they received should at least be instructional to them. Weinberg’s dissent was compelling. After reading it there could be no doubt that Pell’s appeal would succeed, absent political factors

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2020 2:07 pm

    Pointless amateur legal arguments aside … the bad news is that Pell is back on the streets … the good news is that he has to keep a two metre distance …

    The demeanour of witnesses and accused is telling in criminal cases* … and juries are recused from court during legal argument within trial …

    *Non-verbal communication is difficult to avoid and/or manipulate in the witness box …

  218. Tom R permalink
    April 8, 2020 2:12 pm

    the good news is that he has to keep a two metre distance

    lol

  219. Tony permalink
    April 8, 2020 2:19 pm

    The demeanour of witnesses and accused is telling in criminal cases* … *Non-verbal communication is difficult to avoid and/or manipulate in the witness box …

    Really? Is it admissible as evidence? And how do the stenographers record it in the transcript – you know, so an appellate court can be made aware of the confident posture of witnesses, or squirming of the accused? 🤔

  220. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2020 2:51 pm

    Yes TB. Nervous or anxious people are always guilty.

  221. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2020 2:59 pm

    Good for NSW, trying to get the place slowly moving to somewhere that’s tolerable.
    No doubt the Victorian government will impose punishment as long as possible.

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/coronavirus-australia-gladys-berejiklian-says-nsw-lockdown-will-be-reviewed-monthly/news-story/78e2d72361b449bdb1d62e8e02410587

  222. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 8, 2020 3:26 pm

    ” … and juries are recused from court during legal argument within trial …

    Wrong again TB! Talk about amateur legal arguments!!!! Where did you get that idea from?

    This is wrong. There are only a few very limited circumstances where the jury is excluded from legal argument.

  223. Tony permalink
    April 8, 2020 3:32 pm

    Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews Puts His Foot Down On Easter

    (But it gives him no pleasure. Well, maybe just a little bit.)

    I haven’t looked at the weather forecast but I hope it’s pouring rain all weekend. I seriously do, because that will discourage people from doing the wrong thing.

    Fuck you, Dan. We’re still allowed to exercise and I want to ride my bike. So I hope it’s sunny all weekend.

    https://www.gold1043.com.au/lifestyle/health-beauty/this-weekend-is-not-a-holiday-weekend-victorian-premier-daniel-andrews-puts-his-foot-down-on-easter/

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2020 4:02 pm

    Wrong again TB!

    Perhaps I should have said … points of legality between prosecution and defendant’s barristers … the jury is asked to retire by the judge …

    Where did you get that idea from?

    Personal experience, perhaps?

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2020 4:04 pm

    Good for NSW, trying to get the place slowly moving to somewhere that’s tolerable.

    Yep, they’ve been very professional so far, hey? 😳

  226. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2020 4:09 pm

    Dan Andrews finds this tragedy a good excuse to let the punishment continue.
    Get the population on the couch and on welfare, it’s the ideal piece of social engineering!

  227. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2020 4:12 pm

    We’re still allowed to exercise

    Are you still working, ToSY? Just askin”

    (Just completed sanding, re-coating natural timber, door frames, window frames in main bedroom, bathroom, vanity, toilet, spare bedroom and study … and eight fkn doors! I’m looking forward to putting my feet up this week-end) 😎

  228. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2020 4:13 pm

    Get the population on the couch and on welfare, it’s the ideal piece of social engineering!

    Chuckle …

    Surf’s up!

  229. Tony permalink
    April 8, 2020 4:26 pm

    Get the population on the couch and on welfare, it’s the ideal piece of social engineering!

    As long as ‘they’ get enough dole or single mother’s pension for a six-pack of Jim Beam and Coke now and then , a pack of Winnie Blues and some mind-altering substance or other,’they’ shouldn’t be burgling ‘our’ houses. I can live with that.

  230. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 8, 2020 4:58 pm

    “Personal experience, perhaps?”

    What crime did you commit? 🙂 You’re not a catholic so it couldn’t have been an alter boy!

  231. Walrus permalink
    April 8, 2020 5:43 pm

    “….they’ shouldn’t be burgling ‘our’ houses”

    Gotta feel sorry for the house burglars. It must be tough trying to make a few dollars when so many are now working from home.

  232. Tony permalink
    April 8, 2020 5:44 pm

    He’s passionate, I’ll give him that.

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2020 6:53 pm

    What crime did you commit? 🙂

    Predictable … I’m disappointed … 😀

    … it couldn’t have been an alter boy!

    Catholics are not the only organised religion with altar boys … I attended and was brought up as a CoE … I was a choirboy … but that’s only ’cause I like singing … 😮 😮 😮

    But you’re guessing anyway … here’s ma tale …

    About four years ago I was called for jury duty for the fifth time* (odds of that are ridiculous) … I was actually empanelled – rape trial … three days …

    *I’d been excused before for other reasons, self employed, essential staff etc

    And I thought that was that … that night my number came up again … knowing the odds I thought, “ah well they pay for transport, I’ll be home for lunch …

    Not a fkn chance … I was empanelled the day after the first trial … rape … and while I was in the toilet voted in as jury foreman (conspiracy by two other jurors from the first trial – the odds are unbelievable) … four days

    Upshot … whenever there was contention in the court over a legal point … jurors were asked by the judge to adjourn to the jury room …

    FYI, in both cases the defendant was found not guilty …

    An experience I don’t regret …

    Juries work …

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2020 7:01 pm

    He’s passionate, I’ll give him that.

    I confess to chuckling, ToSY, but having lived in a third world country for 12 months I felt sorry for the poor sod …

    Imagine that happening in Mexico … oh, wait!

  235. April 8, 2020 7:24 pm

    “He’s passionate, I’ll give him that.”

    LOL…! It’s like something out of Little Britain… 😆

  236. Tony permalink
    April 8, 2020 7:29 pm

    but having lived in a third world country for 12 months I felt sorry for the poor sod …

    On the other hand. My friend works in the oil industry and is currently offshore in India. One of the Indian field engineers sent him some videos of the policing methods in his local village. Basically they just run around beating curfew-breakers with sticks. (He sent them via WhatsApp and I can’t work out how to put them up here.)

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2020 7:40 pm

    Basically they just run around beating curfew-breakers with sticks.

    Frustration, again?

  238. Tony permalink
    April 8, 2020 8:25 pm

    Bloody ToSY

    Haha. That’s funny TB. Not really, it’s a disgrace but unsurprising in the PRV.

    Seriously though, comparing roadies with those mountain bikers is like comparing horse racing people with greyhound people.

  239. Tony permalink
    April 8, 2020 9:19 pm

    6013 total – 50 dead – 2813 recovered = 3150 active. Yesterday there were 3316, so down 166.

    Click to access coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_4.pdf

  240. Tony permalink
    April 8, 2020 10:20 pm

    Graph of the number of people who have watched both Tiger King and Ozark in the last week.

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 9, 2020 9:13 am

    The Dow Jones is up 25% since the trough, and the ASX 200 is up 15%

    Maybe I won’t have to die at 105 after all

  242. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2020 9:32 am

    Seriously though, LOL! 😆 comparing roadies with those mountain bikers is like comparing horse racing people with greyhound people.

    Horse racing and greyhound people are pretty much the same to me … at least I don’t have to give up a metre of road space for a couple twits laughing and joking in lycra outfits, riding wobbling side by side @ 15kph … 😛

  243. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2020 9:33 am

    Maybe I won’t have to die at 105 after all

    I’d bet on the sharks … 😎

  244. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 9, 2020 9:59 am

    They’d die for several reasons-
    1. I’d poison them
    2. Unchewable, and they’d choke
    3. Fatal indigestion

  245. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 9, 2020 10:08 am

    htqtps://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-09/coronavirus-stage-3-shutdown-in-victoria-crossbench-concerns/12133694

    Finally some common sense from politicians, the cross bench.

    Why are police wasting their time fining and harassing people engaged in activities that have no risk of passing on coronavirus?

    The police are always inclined to behave like the Gestapo, and now plenty of people are willing to be informers, for no public benefit.

  246. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 9, 2020 10:12 am

    “… but that’s only ’cause I like singing …”

    You’re full of surprises, TB! And thanks for the story about your jury duty.

    I can’t sing for shit and am jealous of those who can (sing not shit)! Do you do karaoke?

  247. Tony permalink
    April 9, 2020 10:21 am

    The Dow Jones is up 25% since the trough, and the ASX 200 is up 15%

    That’s good news.

  248. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 9, 2020 10:33 am

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2020 11:14 am

    Do you do karaoke?

    Doesn’t everyone?

    Hope you are really curious … not joshin’ .. but here goes.

    I still do the odd gig … I still use midi files and I down load karaoke from Youtube and convert to mp4.

    I won Queensland’s New Faces in 1969 and the Encouragement Award on Australia’s New Faces (Tom Jones was performing opposite the hotel I stayed in in Sydney) … I worked a nice RSL group every Friday night $70 for two 20 minute spots, promoted to Service Advisor at work – $70 a week, all really traveling well, Bernard King, asked me to his Workshop … by that time we had a little girl …

    All came crashing down in 1970, I was called up – two years repairing armoured vehicles and playing soldier … $80 a fortnight – from $140 a week to $40 … both careers suffered pretty badly – couldn’t sing during NS against the rules – and I had to return to overalls …

    That’s life … and I’m having a good one … certainly not boring …

    (I sent reb a track many years ago … )

  250. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 9, 2020 11:40 am

    Not joshin’ TB. Not about music anyways. Maybe reb can give us review of TB’s song?

    Doesn’t everyone?

    I don’t attempt it. I like to go to pub Karaoke nights and just watch the proceedings – from those who rehearse and sing there hearts out to tuneless drunks.

    Before the singing starts there are, among the more jovial drinkers, a few people sitting alone, looking a bit tense. They’ve obviously rehearsed and are a pretty good standard. They finish their chosen song, look relieved and usually get a pat on the back and a comment from their peers. I love listening to apparently shy people fully invested in their music getting up to sing their hearts out in public. I think it is a beautiful thing to watch. I love singers and songs. It is a rare night that I don’t hear some great singing, some emotional songs and some great songs that had fallen off my radar.

    When I left my previous job I requested farewell drinks be a karaoke night. Luckily a few workmates had good voices.

    I DJ reggae music on vinyl once a week at a small bar (when I’m not in corona virus lock down). I do it for beer and pizza. I’m not a great DJ but this is great recreation for me. If go to my turntables at home and try to play reggae for four hours straight – it ain’t going to happen.

  251. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2020 12:36 pm

    sb, nice to hear someone appreciates the rehearsal time that goes into a performance …

    I do cheat these days (I use karaoke – unless you stick to a few songs – I can’t remember all the words – still fascinates me that I can remember a melody though) I have 200+ songs in my kit allows me to “shape the show” I’m sure you know what I mean … but it also means planning and arranging and rehearsing … and I always try to a different show if I’m asked back … gets a bit hard after ten years with one client … 😀

    The three best ingredients for fun … good food, good wine (or your pref) and good music – and of course good company …

    I like the idea of you as a DJ I reckon reggae would be right up your alley too … you could always compere a Karaoke Show … ???

    Ah, vinyl … that’s where sPLATTERbottom comes from! 😆

  252. Tom R permalink
    April 9, 2020 1:47 pm

    Sorry TB, seems you’re ‘expendable’

    Who can take this shit seriously?

  253. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 9, 2020 2:02 pm

    “The three best ingredients for fun … good food, good wine (or your pref) and good music – and of course good company …”

    True that. It’s been a nice chat TB. Nice joke at the end. I love all sorts of music but particularly reggae. For interested customers I have some USB sticks with 99 Reggae compilations I have put together – my 1600 favourite reggae songs. Here is one I play a lot:

  254. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 9, 2020 2:52 pm

    When does this fucker go to jail?

  255. Tom R permalink
    April 9, 2020 3:15 pm

    lol, classic

  256. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2020 4:32 pm

    Sorry TB, seems you’re ‘expendable’

    Nothing’s changed I was expendable in my twenties and nobody gave a fuck then either … ‘cept my family … and no-one gave a fuck about them either …

    I reckon we should round up all the Nazis like Kehoe and send ’em for vaccine experiments to speed up the process … the prick sounds like Hitler FFS … is Dad is 68 and can’t go swimming … FFS … pampered or what – get a fucking grip …

    What next all the disabled people rounded up …

  257. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2020 4:42 pm

    It’s been a nice chat TB Ditto, man!

    You should surprise ’em in the middle of a set with these guys …

    I don’t have “special” category of music I like brass bands, capella, rock, jazz, blues, skiffle – ad infinitum … and reggae of course.

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2020 4:43 pm

    When does this fucker go to jail?

    Can’t do that – he’ll lose his job! (Amongst other things!)

    He was there for three fkn weeks – who knew??????

  259. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 9, 2020 5:34 pm

    When do ALP politicians and the people who vote for that party go to jail for something like this?

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/young-looking-refugees-sent-offshore

    Gregory Lake, the former director of offshore processing and transfers at the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, told the inquiry he was directed by a ministerial staff member to choose the youngest-looking children from among those eligible for the first transfer of detained people from Australia to Manus Island in 2012, when Labor was in government.

  260. Tony permalink
    April 9, 2020 6:08 pm

    Hey SB and TB. Get a room! 😂🤣

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2020 6:09 pm

    When do ALP politicians and the people who vote for that party go to jail for something like this?

    Fuck off, Kneel.

  262. Tony permalink
    April 9, 2020 6:10 pm

    Went for a three hour ride today in beautiful sunny Melbourne autumn weather. Much to Chairman Dan’s disgust.

  263. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2020 6:11 pm

    Hey SB and TB. Get a room!

    We have …….

  264. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2020 6:12 pm

    Much to Chairman Dan’s disgust.

    Book ‘im Danno!

  265. Tony permalink
    April 9, 2020 6:14 pm

    We have …….

    Good. Hope you’re social distancing.

  266. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 9, 2020 6:32 pm

    I’ll head to my other residence tomorrow or Saturday, Lots of surf, and long bike rides through the Otways, all legal too!
    No crowd in the surf! No 4WDs hogging the dirt roads.
    Thanks Dan!!

  267. Tony permalink
    April 9, 2020 6:35 pm

    You say that like it’s a good thing. 🙄

  268. Tony permalink
    April 9, 2020 6:37 pm

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2020 6:40 pm

    Good. Hope you’re social distancing.

    You change yer tune quickly!

  270. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2020 6:42 pm

    As we stand by, the question is…has it been worth it?

    Obviously not sick, obviously not in hospital, obviously stir crazy in comfort, obviously brain dead!

    Suck it up Princess!

  271. Tony permalink
    April 9, 2020 6:43 pm

    You change yer tune quickly!

    Just concerned for a couple of friends who may or may not be in the high risk category. 😉

  272. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 9, 2020 6:44 pm

    I think Melinda poses a very good question. If the restrictions aren’t eased soon, there will be plenty of civil disobedience.

    Also…people should only be fined if their actions are likely to spread the virus. A mother and daughter in a car poses no risk, not does a single male driving to a bike track.

    We’ve become a nation of police informers

  273. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2020 7:09 pm

    We’ve become a nation of police informers

    While I agree with you, ToM, and obviously so does our Premier … 🙂 remember we are the Sunshine State 🙂

    The “blanket” poncho approach is necessary because of the dickwits in our society … with your background in WH&S surely you understand that … and thanks for your help in protecting my family (of all age groups) and The Minister and me … now, The Minister for War, Water, Fun, Finance and Wash your fkn Hands!

    And because you live in Mexico … you just eat way too much salsa!:twisted:

  274. Tony permalink
    April 9, 2020 7:39 pm

    The release of Cardinal George Pell from prison and the quashing of his sentence by Australia’s High Court is a long overdue correction for one of the greatest miscarriages of injustice in Australian history.

    Also — and very nearly as satisfyingly — it represents the most tremendously crushing blow to leftists, Social Justice Warriors, eco-loons across the world.

    These people wanted Cardinal Pell in prison because he represented everything they hated: old, white, outspoken, Christian, conservative, and climate sceptic …

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/04/08/australian-cardinal-greatest-miscarriage-of-justice-victim-freed/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

  275. Tony permalink
    April 9, 2020 7:49 pm

    Graph of number of Victorians heading for the coast over Easter because they don’t believe this is the crisis politicians say it is.

  276. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2020 9:58 pm

    These people wanted Cardinal Pell in prison because he represented everything they hated: old, white, outspoken, Christian, conservative, and climate sceptic …

    Wrong, Pell assisted peadophilia across Catholic parishes in Australia – a bystander who watches a crime of humanity on children and then assists the perpetrator is guilty …

    Pell was found not guilty through lack of evidence … the sole accuser took on the might of the Catholic church with all its supporters and money … no better that Scientology!

    It has nothing to do wit politics or religion … it has to do with cruelty to those that cannot defend themselves by those with power over them … a pox on Breitbart!

  277. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 9, 2020 10:00 pm

    “We have …….

    It’s called the music room!

    Apart from that, normal transmission will resume soon enough and the Splatterbottom will be dropping turds all over the place!

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2020 8:34 am

    It’s called the music room!

    Shhhhh!

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2020 9:03 am

    All your favourite players in one hilarious comedy routine …

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/04/09/industry-funds-coronavirus/

    All the above as Sunsuper and QSuper conduct due diligence to merge! Laughable …. Tim fkn Wilson LOL!

  280. Tony permalink
    April 10, 2020 8:07 pm

    Total active cases 3009, down from 3338 five days ago.

    Click to access coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_6.pdf

  281. Tony permalink
    April 10, 2020 8:12 pm

    Graph of the number of edicts power-drunk Daniel Andrews issued this week.

  282. April 11, 2020 8:45 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  283. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2020 9:29 am

    Bloody pisspot!

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2020 9:52 am

    If you ever wanted proof that the man’s a dangerous moron …

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/2020/04/10/pete-evans-coronavirus/

    And the dopes that follow him …

    Why he gets “airplay” is beyond me … will take someone dying because “Pete, said …”

  285. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2020 9:57 am

    US President Donald Trump has said he faced his biggest decision yet with regard to when to re-open the US economy from its coronavirus shutdown and pledged to listen to health experts when making that determination.

    Obsessed … biggest decision yet”?

  286. Tony permalink
    April 11, 2020 11:25 am

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2020 11:39 am

    Finally, some cheery news.

    I can only assume that’s a cynical statement …

    UN Peacekeepers are exposed to enough risk as it is …

  288. Tony permalink
    April 11, 2020 11:45 am

  289. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 11, 2020 11:56 am

    Freedom wins again!

  290. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 11, 2020 11:58 am

    Sorry wrong video:

  291. Tony permalink
    April 11, 2020 12:18 pm

    Haha. Keystone Cop got the stitch early in the race.

  292. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2020 12:18 pm

    That’s hilarious SB!

  293. April 11, 2020 1:15 pm

    An Australian cop wouldn’t even have bothered.

  294. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2020 2:08 pm

    Yes, fat, dumb, lazy bullies that make up our police force wouldn’t have left the divi van. They’d drive it on to the beach and get bogged in the sand.

  295. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2020 6:28 pm

    Yes, fat, dumb, lazy bullies that make up our police force …

    you were on Snort! No! Spliff I’d sorta understand … but snort … explains a few comments here. 😎

    (1963 – Dandy drum kit … bass, floor tom, top tom, 5″ bop snare, 30″ crash cymbal – car keys for jangle, 20″ stop cymbal, high hat {all Zildjian of course} 7A/5A sticks with nylon tips – usually played handle first anyway … lived the movies on our local beach =- played the pier kiosk every Sunday – never touched a spliff, upper, downer or powder in my life)

  296. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2020 8:41 pm

    I love those wipeouts TB, they’re my speciality!

  297. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2020 9:43 am

    😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😎

  298. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2020 1:58 pm

    Because all there is to do is surf, read, ride a bike and walk/jog, I have complained to the local government minister about the closure of public libraries.

    I think it’s another example of bureaucracy being too willing just to close services we need.

    Just saying in case anyone wants to make a similar point to the bureaucrats.

  299. ivi permalink
    April 12, 2020 2:06 pm

    (There’s always one)

  300. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2020 2:41 pm

    ToM … a special Happy Easter gift …

    https://archive.org/

    You really have had a cloistered life … especially now … 😆

    You really did have a job where someone else did all the leg work … 🙄

    Or, as I suspect you’re just whinging … 😉

  301. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2020 2:50 pm

    Graph of the number of edicts power-drunk Daniel Andrews issued this week.

    Wonder how we got those graphs then?

    I think it’s another example of bureaucracy being too willing just to close services we need.

    tax payer wasted dollars aren’t they. Again, wonder why or graphs look so good?

  302. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2020 5:04 pm

    There are no retailers required to close, and people observe the government guidelines and legal restrictions. That’s why the graphs look good, not because bureaucrats find it easy to close public libraries and not bother to then figure out how to provide a service.

  303. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2020 6:56 pm

    Ah, I see, so it’s only successful due to the things you like, not the entire range of actions taken. In fact, the graphs look good despite the retailers being open. Probably because no one is going. And many have closed, because it’s just not worth being open.

    Sorry yomm, but it’s successful because …………….. of what has been done. You cannot pick and choose now. We can only try and gauge when to lift the measures. That’s the next test.

    There are examples of overreach, which hopefully gets sorted out. But at the same time, cops turning back caravans when people have been told not travel… dickheads

  304. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2020 7:16 pm

    See the market in Melbourne … must be something about Mexicans …

    And Singapore has had a resurgence …

    A Chinese patrol has been aggressively rammed by a tiny eight man crewed fishing boat …

    And I’m almost finished Magicians of the Gods … another ten years and we’ll be hit by another comet! Apparently …

    https://www.google.com.au/search?sxsrf=ALeKk01B6L55LkaXotQIha3Cq-5qCwaJeA%3A1586682826865&source=hp&ei=ytuSXtGJMoKf4-EP3c-PiAQ&q=the+younger+dryas+event&oq=The+Younger+Dryas&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgBMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgUIABDNAjoFCAAQgwE6BAgAEApKMQgXEi0wZzE2NmcxNTZnMTYyZzE2NmcxNjhnMTYzZzE1NWcxNTZnMTU3ZzIxMWcxNjRKGwgYEhcwZzFnMWcxZzFnMWcxZzFnMWcxZzVnM1DMCFjLMWC6RGgAcAB4AIABmwKIAd4WkgEGMC4xNS4ymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab

    And on top of that … an invasion by the armyworms …

    When will it ever stop … I just hope and pray its soon!

  305. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2020 7:18 pm

    If the god(s), all these religions pray to, is/are merciful why aren’t it(s) followers?

  306. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 12, 2020 8:48 pm

    There are plenty of options for councils to deliver library services.
    A phone service and post the book is the easiest one, but bureaucrats find it easy to close services, but it’s all too difficult for them to maintain an alternative way of providing it.
    It has nothing to do with preventing coronavirus, it has everything to do with apathy

  307. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2020 10:48 pm

    A phone service and post the book is the easiest one

    Handling, handling, handling … still don’t get it …

    Did you check my link?

  308. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2020 10:50 pm

    I think that you will find that most libraries have an online service for those not too apathetic to make use of them yomm 😉

  309. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 13, 2020 7:32 am

    How come stores like Harvey Norman are open but you get arrested if you go there to buy stuff?

  310. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2020 8:33 am

    sb, I do know that some JB Hi Fi shops are running out of product to sell … family (and a potential family) member works in one …

    Better get in quick …

  311. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2020 8:35 am

    I think that you will find that most libraries

    They do in Qld … not sure about Mexico … BTW did you read my link?

    If not here it is again …

    https://archive.org/ (world’s biggest free library!)

  312. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2020 8:39 am

    TB I doubt whether you can contact coronavirus from handling a book, but on return of the book the library can sanitise the cover then put in storage for a week or two.

    Tom R, there are a limited number of ebooks available and my kindle isn’t compatible with their system. Libraries aren’t handing out compatible ebook readers.

    But that’s me… many elderly people read a lot. They don’t commonly have eReaders or even the internet.

    Councils are doing nothing to help them with their isolation. Just close libraries and don’t bother to figure out how to provide an alternative service.

  313. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2020 8:54 am

    TB, there are dozens of free on line libraries. I don’t want to read a book on my phone.

    It is easy for bureaucrats to close a service without bothering to figure out how to open it again.

  314. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2020 9:14 am

    I doubt whether you can contact coronavirus from handling a book

    sciencey time with dr yomm lol

    and my kindle isn’t compatible with their system

    First world problems

    yomm wants to flit back and forward between his holiday homes like the rules don’t apply to him, have people expose themselves so he can get free books, cos he’s to stingy to upgrade his kindle??

    You know, you’re the reason fines have to be inflicted on people, some think if everyone else does the *’heavy’ lifting, they don’t have to

    *Sitting at home on yer arse!

  315. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2020 9:25 am

    I also have an elderly mother who reads constantly, rather than watching television.

    Councils close services and can’t be bothered figuring out how to provide an alternative service.

    But even so, your comment provides no rationale as to why councils just leave libraries closed.

    I’ve seen a lot of the isolationist/grumpy attitude on the coast. Some people think the restrictions should involve more stress and punishment.

    It’s the job of all levels of government to figure out how to make these times as tolerable as possible.

  316. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2020 9:38 am

    your comment provides no rationale as to why councils just leave libraries closed.

    Because a) they are protecting their employees, and b) they are protecting their ratepayers

    The world sucks, Tim Brooke-Taylor dies, and the man who killed him lives 😦

    Australia is lucky we tailed the UK and US by weeks, or else we would be in the same situation. Boris jonsons small saving grace is he turned from Herd Immunity after only a few days, when we also followed them and turned. It could have been even worst.

    how to make these times as tolerable as possible.

    ffs, all you need to do is stay home and do a fucken jigsaw. It’s not like you’re forced to storm the fucking trenches or anything, you unfathomable whinge nut.

  317. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2020 10:16 am

    As for the safety of employees and ratepayers, councils are unable to identify a risk that cannot be mitigated. Are you?

    Libraries are closed due to apathy, not for any other reason.

  318. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2020 10:19 am

    fark you are an idiot yomm.

    Do you expect library workers to wipe down every page of a bloody book?

    Did you take extra stupid pills this morning?

  319. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2020 10:28 am

    How hilarious! I’ve spoken to the council and they said the same thing!
    I said- sanitise the cover and then put the book in a storage area for a couple of weeks. They said- great idea, we hadn’t thought of that.

    But they’re not going to do it. **

    There are no risks that can’t be eliminated or mitigated.

    ** How long does the virus survive on a surface? An hour or two?

  320. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2020 11:28 am

    ** How long does the virus survive on a surface? An hour or two?

    No.One.Really.Knows.

    Its not all about, ToMmy … next you’ll expect the library to deliver them to your door.

    Buy some books off the internet FFS! Yo can sanitise ’em yourself (Second hand books would suit you down to the ground …

  321. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2020 11:33 am

    Had a package delivered this morning by our regular Aus Post contractor … “G’day Glen”, I said, as he was getting into his van … “You delivering today????”

    “Yep”, he replied … “We were told if we didn’t we’d all be fired” …*

    Bet the overpaid CEO of Aus Post isn’t working today … those fucking unions … oh, wait.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/wealth/australia-post-boss-christine-holgate-earns-208000-every-month/news-story/0f44017fa917bd5eee13cc0b79634813

  322. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2020 11:36 am

    Did you take extra stupid pills this morning?

    😆 😥 😀 🙄 😎

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2020 11:45 am

    Sad news, re, Tim-Brooke-Taylor …

    Memories of chatting to Bill Oddie one lunchtime* at Fridays in London (1997 if memory serves) …

    Table next to us. Told him we’d just flown in from Oz and was a fan and he asked me to take a seat at his table … nice bloke.

    19fkn97!!!

  324. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2020 11:50 am

    ToM … if you use a Kindle (duh) … you can convert any file type using Calibre … a great FREE program everyone with an ereader of any description, should have …

    Here’s another FREE link complements of TB’s Easter Goodwill and Happiness …

    https://calibre-ebook.com/download

    You spend too much time with wet ears and water on the brain!

  325. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2020 11:50 am

    Ooops … compliments

  326. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2020 11:57 am

    That’s a typical (left) attitude TB- don’t expect the government to figure out how to provide the service people pay for, just put up with their apathy make other arrangements that cost more.

  327. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2020 12:21 pm

    TB, putting books in storage for a few weeks is more than sufficient.

    It survives on surfaces a few days at most.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12074330

  328. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2020 2:16 pm

    That’s a typical (left) attitude TB

    Its not about politics … you’re in dopey panic mode … I offered you two solutions to YOUR problem … and that’s – typical left?

    Probably is “left” helpful, provide solution, get on with it attitude and behavior and team oriented … not my fault you fall into the whingy right*, look what you’ve done to my life, its someone else’s fault, I’m important, I don’t know what to do, god has the answer …

    Once again its not left – right … its what can I do!

  329. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2020 2:35 pm

    1. Why do I have to start buying books when there are so many ways for the public library to provide what I have already paid for?
    2. My Kindle is locked to Amazon. Why should I have to buy another?
    3. I don’t want to read books on my phone.
    4. I have an elderly mother, who reads 2 or 3 books a week. Do you suggest that she finds an extra $50 to $100 to maintain her reading? She does not have the internet, an e-reader, and nor is she interested in reading anything that isn’t on paper.

    You like to find unsatisfactory partial solutions to to problems, when all levels of government should just figure out how to provide the service they should.

    There are thousands of librarians and probably just as many OHS types in local government, but they are too apathetic to figure out a solution.

    And I’ve already solved the obstacle they expressed to.me

  330. Tony permalink
    April 13, 2020 3:01 pm

    Chairman Dan got a taste during the bushfires, now he’s drunk on it. But it gives him no pleasure. 🙄

  331. Tony permalink
    April 13, 2020 3:13 pm

    “Socialism has never worked … because you can only tax profit.“

  332. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2020 5:44 pm

    Why do I have to start buying books when there are so many ways for the public library to provide what I have already paid for?

    fucken Boomers

  333. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2020 6:18 pm

    And I’ve already solved the obstacle they expressed to.me

    Are you fucking joking? You must be having a lend? This is a goody goody yum, yum moment? Too fucking funny …

    fucken Boomers

    Too dumb to be a BB, TR …

  334. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2020 6:26 pm

    ToSY

    You do know that Leyonhjelm is a fuckwit? And colour blind I see.

    And the IPA is a haven for fuckwits suddenly out of work … this virus monstrosity is not a socialist plot (as a capitalist I can assure you of that) … it may seriously disturb the pimps of Market Economy and make even Robber Barons shudder (they have no-one to prey upon for profit!) … but socialism nah … even I don’t believe in that … just as I don’t believe in organised religion, or bastardised market economies that bleed the poor to feed the rich!

    Live long and prosper! (But not at the expense of the needy!)

  335. April 13, 2020 6:37 pm

    “ffs, all you need to do is stay home and do a fucken jigsaw. It’s not like you’re forced to storm the fucking trenches or anything, you unfathomable whinge nut.”

    LOL… 🙂

    And why all the focus on libraries….??

    Qantas is getting one billion dollars in a tax payer funded bailout and their planes aren’t even fuckn’ flying anywhere…!!

    I have an elderly mother who likes to fly overseas occasionally, WTF is she meant to do now…??!!

    Shove your freshly sanitised book up your arse YoM, and while you’re at, shove your kindle up there too.

  336. April 13, 2020 6:45 pm

    “I’ve spoken to the council and they said the same thing!

    They must be thrilled to see you ToM.

    “Here comes that helpful rate payer,” they must say to themselves.

    “I said- sanitise the cover and then put the book in a storage area for a couple of weeks.”

    They must’ve been all ears.

    ” They said- great idea, we hadn’t thought of that.”

    But of course they did.

  337. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2020 6:48 pm

    Thank you. Left types are always happy to-
    *Get up at 11
    *Sit on the couch all day
    *Watch daytime tv
    *Make provocative comments on social media

    These restrictions provide the excuse they need to adopt their preferred lifestyle

  338. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2020 6:52 pm

    And best of all, for the left-
    *It’s all available on welfare without any annoying eligibility tests

  339. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2020 7:25 pm

    It’s all available on welfare without any annoying eligibility tests

    Says the boomer demanding his taxpayer funded books NOW!

  340. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2020 9:08 pm

    LOL!

    It’s painful to read!

  341. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2020 10:02 pm

    The very least if my concerns is whether my comments bother left types. Highlights of left best practice-
    *30 second job interviews
    *Don’t worry about drug or alcohol tests for mine workers, there’s a competency test that’s better
    *And I matched into the board room and told them…

  342. April 14, 2020 8:05 am

    “I matched into the board room and told them…”

    For someone who goes to great pains to admonish those he characterises as “left types,” you seem blithely unaware of your own basic grasp of rudimentary grammar and spelling.

  343. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 14, 2020 8:20 am

    I can see the mistake you’ve made…

    Ridicule is only a useful response when you show you’re more intelligent than the target.

    And unfortunately (for you) that’s obviously not the case.

  344. Tom R permalink
    April 14, 2020 8:38 am

    😆

  345. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2020 10:58 am

    The very least if my concerns is whether my comments bother left types. Highlights of left best practice-
    *30 second job interviews
    *Don’t worry about drug or alcohol tests for mine workers, there’s a competency test that’s better
    *And I matched into the board room and told them…

    All a twitter8 and bisted* … as usual … you must keep a record … or som’fink … “Highlights of best practice” … are your words and, as usual, taken out of context …

    1. I actually said, I used to gauge people within ten seconds when employing and then asked a few questions to verify … but after uni I took a longer look and made use of some of my learning … the PROOF was in the length of loyal service I had from my teams … not your amateur assessment …

    2. Your words again … “Don’t worry about drug or alcohol tests for mine workers, there’s a competency test that’s better” … not mine … a colleague developed a competency based assessment using computer based on US research it proved that it identified “control” incompetence INCLUDING excessive alcohol AND marijuana impairment as an alternative to simple blow in the tube or piss in a bottle tests …. and that the alcohol tests encouraged hard drug use in miners because it depletes in the human body more quickly than alcohol or marijuana … had you ever had any experience

    3. And again … ! I do not “march” into board rooms, never have and as a consultant my own motto was “I advise, recommend and suggest, you make the decisions”

    Had you ever had any experience any first hand experience you would know about methods of employment interviewing, minesite drug, alcohol and competency testing and how boardrooms actually operate …

    You live in your own dopey bubble most of the time but it seems to have expanded recently to the extent your head just might explode …

    Seems lockdown will be here for at least another month, maybe three … libraries will be closed till next year.

    Keep up the bullshit tho’ keeps me laughing … now go and defame someone who cares …

    https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-the-problem-with-australias-early-success/news-story/90fbdf9f7fa385b4acc02059c59a28ac

  346. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2020 11:02 am

    Ridicule is only a useful response when you show you’re more intelligent than the target.

    Take heed of your own advice, ToM 😈

  347. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 14, 2020 11:12 am

    Take heed of your own advice, ToM

    I certainly do TB, and that’s exactly why I find it such a worthwhile response here.

  348. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 14, 2020 11:26 am

    What a surprise! Police bullying and stupidity undermines public confidence in the police!

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/covid-19-lockdown-fines-eroding-public-confidence-top-cop-warns-20200413-p54jfk.html

  349. Tom R permalink
    April 14, 2020 11:35 am

    CMO bullying and stupidity undermines public confidence in the CMO!

    “To be frank, Brendan was commenting on a rumour,” he said.

    “At this stage, contact tracing has not identified a dinner party of health workers

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-14/dinner-party-linked-to-hospital-coronavirus-outbreak/12146132

    They’re always looking for a scapegoat to replace the hillsong infected cruise ship they unleashed on our country.

  350. Tom R permalink
    April 14, 2020 11:36 am

    Gonna be a while before this fat lady sings I think

  351. Tom R permalink
    April 14, 2020 1:08 pm

    good to see chris “windmill’ oolman has found further depths

  352. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 14, 2020 1:35 pm

    Police raid funeral as coffin is being carried out!

    Yes, Vic Police are doing a great job! Trainee Gestapo

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-woman-heartbroken-after-police-interrupt-funeral/news-story/62cd39a58ae82f9c0244749b9315c330

  353. Tom R permalink
    April 14, 2020 2:45 pm

    raid?

  354. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2020 2:59 pm

    Gestapo?

  355. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2020 3:04 pm

    Does the body in the coffin count? Well not count … obviously he’s dead … but count in the count … I think?

    Bit of a sob story for the likes of ToMmy to play with methinks … bit late too I read that early this morning …

    Bow their heads … jesus christ what next genuflect … say an Orthodox hail mary …

  356. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 14, 2020 3:17 pm

    Raid? Yes, the police (and their apologists) would call it -“police attendance at a reported crime scene”

    That’s because we’ve quickly become a nation of police informers. Gestapo tactics

  357. Tom R permalink
    April 14, 2020 3:44 pm

    There were cops at a church. They talked to some church workers. A woman complained.

    Maybe she should go to a Library?
    A Library may have a Dictionary
    Perhaps a Dictionary could explain what a Raid is?

    BACK TO THE TRENCHES!

  358. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 14, 2020 4:40 pm

    But I presume you’d agree that the police got it right when they issued the infringements to the drive by asylum seeker protesters

  359. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 14, 2020 4:43 pm

  360. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2020 4:45 pm

    I’m laughing now, sb … keep ’em coming … The Minister had a good laugh at the bike rider!

  361. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 14, 2020 5:02 pm

    No one is above the law!! Not even protesters driving around, alone in their cars!
    $43,000 in fines!
    Go Vic Police!!
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sbs.com.au/v1/article/melbourne-refugee-protesters-fined-43-000-for-breaching-coronavirus-rules/c74b4bda-da5e-4d99-9a03-4dd9fa1d0186%3famp=1

  362. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2020 6:00 pm

    Go Vic Police!!

    Just what are you chewin’ on?

  363. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 14, 2020 8:00 pm

    Media… that was an interesting news program this evening, about actor Peter Rowsthorn. He’s now out of work, and got his licence to drive a truck!!

    The points the news didn’t mention-
    *His father was co-founder of Toll with Paul Little and is a billionaire
    *His brother has 10% of the company, worth hundreds of millions
    *His personal wealth is tens of millions

    But it’s great to give a poor out of work actor a boost!

  364. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2020 10:04 pm

    But it’s great to give a poor out of work actor a boost!

    We keep pointing out the Elites to you … keep this up and you’ll end up voting communist …

  365. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 15, 2020 6:43 am

  366. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2020 9:20 am

    Active cases 2741. On Saturday that was 2971.

    Click to access coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_11.pdf

  367. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 15, 2020 9:53 am

    “Active cases 2741. On Saturday that was 2971.”

    Looks like the mitigation is working!

  368. Tom R permalink
    April 15, 2020 10:50 am

    Looks like the mitigation is working!

    We are definitely out performing many other countries. Good to see.

  369. TB Queensland permalink
    April 15, 2020 11:16 am

    I still believe that schools should not be opened … Morrison’s blurb about learning is just another furphy … its about child minding …

    and the one thing that concerns me is that, while kids may have a high tolerance to Covid-19 (apparently?) they can still carry the virus around neighborhoods … kids are not the most hygienic species on the planet – ask and parent … or teacher (who are also at risk) … kids will not “suffer” a few months off school … (something I experienced emigrating) …

  370. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 15, 2020 12:07 pm

    School is about more than education. Friendship, emotional balance, working in a team etc all develop at school.

    These attributes aren’t taught on line.

    If the state of emergency is proclaimed for a month at a time, it seems that decisions about closure of schools should be taken about a month at a time too.

  371. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 15, 2020 12:36 pm

    And it is entirely understandable that the US would withhold funding for the WHO at the moment.
    *Called banning China flights “xenophobic”
    *Delayed calling a pandemic
    *Gives green light to the wet markets
    *Can’t bring themselves to acknowledge that Taiwan exists

    They’re motivated by the politics as much as the health risks.

  372. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2020 12:44 pm

    As of 14 April 2020, Victoria has 1291 total confirmed cases, an increase of 10 since yesterday. 40 people are in hospital, including 15 people in intensive care. 14 people have died. 122 cases have an unknown source of infection, an increase of 0 since yesterday. 1118 people have recovered.

    Which means there are 159 active cases. 159!

    Yet Chairman Dan has extended his emergency powers for another month.

    https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/coronavirus-covid-19-daily-update

    https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/state-of-emergency-for-coronavirus-extended-to-save-lives/

  373. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 15, 2020 12:50 pm

    Yes, it’s time to start easing the restrictions. Open cafes and restaurants, even with the 1.5 metre rule.

    Open the schools in a week.

    And stop the bullshit policing

    By the way, I see there’s a union wanting to close JB Hi-fi. No doubt because the employees earn as much from the jobkeeper payment as the do from going to work.

  374. April 15, 2020 1:08 pm

    “Yes, it’s time to start easing the restrictions. Open cafes and restaurants, even with the 1.5 metre rule.”

    Yeah good onya YoM, read that in your morning IPA newsletter…??

    I say, parliamentarians should lead by example and show up for work first, rather than wait til August FFS.

    If they won’t return to (what they call) “work,” why should anyone else….??

  375. Tom R permalink
    April 15, 2020 1:21 pm

    These attributes aren’t taught on line.

    Go to discordapp.com boomer 😉

    Yet Chairman Dan has extended his emergency powers for another month.

    “Wow, the restrictions are working, what should we do”?

    “Remove them NOW”!

    [facepalm]

  376. Tom R permalink
    April 15, 2020 1:27 pm

    I say, parliamentarians should lead by example and show up for work first, rather than wait til August FFS.

    Exactly, they want (other) kiddies in school, but not their precious backsides.

    Considering how frequently they are doing this, you’d have thought the press gallery might have said something. But no … let’s trust the proven liars ffs

  377. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 15, 2020 1:40 pm

    Why are conservatives healthier than liberals (left) ?

    Interesting and it’s personal responsibility! That makes sense.

    https://research.monash.edu/en/clippings/why-are-conservatives-healthier-than-liberals-personal-responsibi

  378. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 15, 2020 1:45 pm

  379. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2020 2:42 pm

    http://eresources.hcourt.gov.au/downloadPdf/2020/HCA/14

  380. Tom R permalink
    April 15, 2020 2:54 pm

    Why are conservatives healthier than liberals (left) ?

    By a Senior Marketing expert ROFL

  381. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 15, 2020 3:05 pm

    How’s the home gym going, Tom R. I walk 3k each day and occasionally go to the room where my weights are and look at them before leaving. One day soon I’ll get to them 🙂

  382. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2020 3:27 pm

  383. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2020 3:31 pm

    A man who ignored a coronavirus quarantine directive and repeatedly snuck out of a Perth hotel to visit his girlfriend has become the first Australian jailed for the offence.

    However, he will only serve one month behind bars.

    Only? Only?! FMD, WTF is going on?

    https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/court-justice/perth-man-jonathan-david-jailed-for-coronavirus-quarantine-breach-ng-b881519954z

  384. Tom R permalink
    April 15, 2020 3:42 pm

    How’s the home gym going, Tom R

    It’s getting a pretty good work out actually. I used to work from home a few years ago, and did realize how much I missed it. Work is about 1.2hrs each way normally, so I now have some spare time. We also try to get down the beach regularly to, for our 10 minute wade. Which, to be fair, is all we really used to do anyways, so, not much of a change for us lol

    I’m playing games online too, instead of our weekly meet up. That part I’m missing, although, it has been an interesting learning curve 🙂

    FMD, WTF is going on?

    I know right, people being jailed for repeatedly breaking the law, instead of being jailed simply for not paying fines they cannot afford.

    IT’s ARMAGEDDON!

  385. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 15, 2020 3:42 pm

    “WTF is going on?

    An selfish arsehole got what was coming to him – reamed by the great schlong of justice!

  386. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 15, 2020 4:07 pm

    One month! The cnut got off lightly. Australia as an island has a lot to lose from introduced diseases and has always had serious quarantine laws:

    “The Quarantine Act 1908 (Cth) is administered jointly by the Department of Health and the Department of Agriculture.

    The federal government may declare by proclamation the existence of an epidemic or the danger of an epidemic caused by a quarantinable disease. During the period that the proclamation is in force the relevant Minister may “give such directions and take such action as he or she thinks necessary to control and eradicate the epidemic, or to remove the danger of the epidemic, by quarantine measures or measures incidental to quarantine.” Authorized persons may also exercise such powers in order to implement a coordinated response to a declared epidemic. Failure to comply with a direction given under these provisions is an offense punishable by up to ten years’ imprisonment.

  387. TB Queensland permalink
    April 15, 2020 4:19 pm

    David had travelled from Victoria and was sent into quarantine at the Travelodge Hotel in Perth for 14 days, but instead snuck out and used public transport.

    Police said he even wedged open a fire exit door at the hotel so he could leave and return without staff seeing him.

    A police prosecutor previously described David’s actions as “gross stupidity”.

    Magistrate Elaine Campione said David had been “more than foolish” and was “selfish in the extreme” during a state of emergency.

    “You chose to roll the dice with other people’s lives and that was breathtakingly arrogant,” she said.

    Mexican too I see … says it all …

  388. TB Queensland permalink
    April 15, 2020 4:25 pm

    The Magistrate: “You chose to roll the dice with other people’s lives and that was breathtakingly arrogant,” she said.

    Sound familiar? Must be in Mexican genes …

  389. Tom R permalink
    April 15, 2020 4:27 pm

    Must be in Mexican genes

    you spelled ‘right wing’ incorrectly there TB

  390. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2020 4:28 pm

    I know right, people being jailed for repeatedly breaking the law

    They’re orders, not laws. They’ve never been through Parliament. The mistake that guy made was pleading guilty.

    Lawyers warn many of the fines issued on the basis of hastily written public health orders could fall over in court, saying they lacked clarity on key details and left police with too much discretion.

    Barrister Stephen Lawrence … criticised the drafting of the offences created in the new public health orders, saying they differed from state to state and created significant loopholes.

    “Things have been drafted in haste, it’s entirely understandable that there are errors,” he said. “But I think a lot of these fines, if people contest them, will ultimately be withdrawn or dismissed in court.”

    Defence lawyer Paul McGirr agreed the laws were vague, inconsistent across state and territory jurisdictions, and left too much room for police discretion.

    “I think if society got back to normal, a great deal of these would be dealt with either very leniently or dismissed because there are a number of technicalities,” he said.

    Mr McGirr added: “These laws are thought of on the run, and specifics aren’t looked into, and once you leave discretion in the hands of police or others, it becomes very murky. Certainly cases could be defended if they chose to do that.”

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/not-black-and-white-lawyers-warn-fines-for-public-health-breaches-could-fall-over-in-court-20200411-p54j1v.html

  391. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2020 4:53 pm

    I suppose statists who love getting ordered around by politicians making up rules as they go along won’t mind using this.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.9news.com.au/article/65f4db63-c0b9-43e6-95ff-b2602e939e8d

  392. TB Queensland permalink
    April 15, 2020 6:03 pm

    you spelled ‘right wing’ incorrectly there TB

    Apologies, TR! Memory slip 🙂

  393. Tom R permalink
    April 15, 2020 6:12 pm

    I suppose statists who love getting ordered around by politicians making up rules as they go along won’t mind using this.

    And it’s for this reason it’s criminal that parliament has been cancelled. It’s merely to remove oversight, as their push to keep schools open shows.

    Or, they don’t want to be personally involved in this mad ‘herd immunity’ drive, as his keeping his own kids home from school shows.

    Thank fuck for the states!

  394. TB Queensland permalink
    April 15, 2020 6:13 pm

    won’t mind using this.

    I certainly won’t use it … and I’m certainly not a statist – I and my family have already had my “freedoms” taken away by a Liberal Press Gang Government in 1970/71 … and I wasn’t a Citizen!

  395. TB Queensland permalink
    April 15, 2020 6:28 pm

    Nasho … Pretty close to the Covid-19 odds I’d say …

    804,286 20-year-olds registered for national service
    63,735 national servicemen served in the Army (I was deferred for two years for studies)
    15,381 served in Vietnam – 202 killed and 1,279 wounded

    This time I’ll just stay home, thanks.

  396. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 15, 2020 6:34 pm

    “””””””””””””15,381 served in Vietnam – 202 killed and 1,279 wounded
    This time I’ll just stay home, thanks.”””””””””””””

    Strangely Britain never took part. I wonder why we did?

  397. TB Queensland permalink
    April 15, 2020 6:40 pm

    Danger Close – The Battle of Long Tan

    Highly Recommended! ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐

    Australia

    18 killed
    17 from Delta Company (D Coy), 6RAR
    11 National Servicemen, Australian Army
    6 Regular soldiers, Australian Army
    One from 3 Troop, 1 APC (Armoured Personnel Carrier) Squadron
    Died nine days later from wounds sustained in the battle
    24 members of D Coy were wounded

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    A close friend lost his brother in VN and a member of my section (ten men) in recruit training was blown up when an APC hit a mine …

    Stay home, keep distance, wash your hands, don’t touch your face … simple shit … grow a set and stop yer whingin’!

  398. TB Queensland permalink
    April 15, 2020 6:43 pm

    Strangely Britain never took part. I wonder why we did?

    ‘Cause, Sir Robert Gordon Menzies, KT, AK, CH, QC, FAA, FRS … wanted to show off to the Yanks!

    He was laughed out of London at the beginning of WWII … had to show his mettle – with other people’s lives … bit different now …

  399. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2020 6:43 pm

    Thank fuck for the states!

    Guffaw! Remember that next time you complain that the federal government is not doing enough to fight bushfires, or to finance hospitals, or schools – all of which are state government responsibilities. Or next time somebody says Canberra should take over [insert state responsibility here].

    I’m glad we have federalism. And local governments. The best way an individual can have some influence over decisions that affect their lives is to have them made as near to them as possible.

    Most should be made by the individual without government interference. Then local government. Then state. Then as few as possible by the federal government – over which the average individual has virtually no influence.

  400. TB Queensland permalink
    April 15, 2020 6:48 pm

    Watching “Agent Hamilton” at the moment on SBS OnDemand … Swedish, so you’ll need to read subs … probably eliminates a few here, lol … the Swedes make pretty good thrillers I’ve discovered …

    And The Minister is hooked on “Alone” – people dropped in the wilderness and having to survive with just ten items … longest stayer wins $500,000 – season three is on now but there is actually six seasons – back to 2015 …

  401. TB Queensland permalink
    April 15, 2020 6:50 pm

    Most should be made by the individual without government interference.

    No probs here … its the fuckwits that vote that bother me …

  402. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2020 6:51 pm

    and I’m certainly not a statist

    Oh really?

    statist

    noun

    an advocate of a political system in which the state has substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs.

  403. Tom R permalink
    April 15, 2020 6:52 pm

    all of which are state government responsibilities.

    Everything’s a state responsibility, the feds have none.

    Except, the feds are also responsible for all the states. And, when the states tell the feds they need more, and the feds don’t deliver ……….. yea, that’s a states fault, isn’t it.

    The feds have slashed the states funding for years, and the states have warned repeatedly it’s too much cutting, but the feds take the boomer view of ‘they’ll just spend it on Monte Carlos’ or some such rot.

  404. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2020 6:54 pm

    Except, the feds are also responsible for all the states.

    I suggest you educate yourself.

  405. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2020 7:00 pm

    Everything’s a state responsibility, the feds have none.

    Ideally. But the states agreed to have a federal government to handle defence, foreign affairs, have courts to enforce contracts and property rights, and to issue money. Other than that they pretty much should stay TF out of our lives.

  406. Tom R permalink
    April 15, 2020 9:19 pm

    Other than that they pretty much should stay TF out of our lives.

    someone should tell dutton. The only time he’s not in total control of everything, is when he’s not in total control of anything.

    It’s funny that a week before they blamed NSW for letting a ship in, they were on tele telling everyone that Border Farce controls OUR borders, and stops every ship. (guess they forgot to mention unless it had a shitload of church cultists aboard)

    fuckwits

  407. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2020 10:34 pm

  408. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2020 10:41 pm

  409. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2020 11:05 pm

    Has Australia’s response to this virus been a massive overreaction? What health benefits will we have gained from the huge damage we’ve done to our economy – and society? Was the gain worth the pain? I’m predicting not.

    Time will tell.

  410. Tony permalink
    April 16, 2020 8:24 am

    Yes it is.

    As we act to slow the spread of coronavirus, the message to students and parents of government schools is clear: all children who can learn at home must learn from home – with exceptions only in extremely limited circumstances. … Victorian government schools will recommence on Tuesday 14 April with a pupil-free day, with students to begin classes on Wednesday 15 April. These new arrangements will remain in place for the duration of Term 2 and will then be reviewed.

    https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/victorian-students-to-learn-from-home-as-vce-timelines-revised/

  411. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 16, 2020 8:41 am

    “What health benefits will we have gained”

    Click on this link.. Toggle the column “Deaths/1M”. At the top in the 300+ range are countries that did not mitigate in time. Scroll down to Australia. It is a long way down at 2.5. Or look at the confirmed case fatality rate – over 10% for the late starters as opposed to 0.98% for Australia.

    And a big chunk of our problems was the Ruby Princess stuff-up. I hate the finger pointing on this. Both the states and the feds could have stopped the pre-dawn disembarcation.

  412. Tony permalink
    April 16, 2020 9:10 am

    Click on this link.

    I’m pretty familiar with the stats. The question is how much was caused by mitigation measures and how much by other factors, for example seasonality. And I take no notice of complex predictive models. Fortune telling is not a thing.

    BTW, there’s an interesting new theory that the virus has a natural, limited lifespan.

    A prominent Israeli mathematician, analyst and former general claims simple statistical analysis demonstrates that the spread of COVID-19 peaks after about 40 days and declines to almost zero after 70 days — no matter where it strikes, and no matter what measures governments impose to try to thwart it.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-israeli-prof-claims-simple-stats-show-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/

  413. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2020 9:25 am

    Fancy that — I agree with Frydenberg AND Wilson!!!

    The treasurer, Josh Frydenberg, and MP Tim Wilson have rejected calls for social restrictions to be lifted for younger Australians. Frydenberg said that “we need to value every Australian life equally”. “We need to move away from this mindset of thinking that the coronavirus is an older person’s virus,” he said. “It’s a virus that affects all of us.” Wilson said he did not want to see lockdowns eased. “I think it’s easy to make comment from the sidelines … We also have to consider the full scale of what happens if we repeal them, if we get a second wave, then we’re forced back into the same situation again.”

    Must be a change in the breeze …

  414. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2020 9:39 am

    Oh really?

    I know what a statist is … otherwise I wouldn’t have written – I’m not …

    I’m predicting not.

    I’m predicting we’ll be better off than most other countries …

    Fortune telling is not a thing.

    Yeah, most people prefer hindsight … a wonderful thing, I’m told … and yet … above you make a prediction? Uncanny.

    And then …

    … there’s an interesting new theory that the virus has a natural, limited lifespan.

    Surely that’s fortune telling mathematically speaking … and as you and I know statistics can have a mind of there own … not always accurately predictable …

  415. Tony permalink
    April 16, 2020 9:50 am

    Surely that’s fortune telling mathematically speaking

    Actually it’s not. There’s a link to his graphs in the article. They rely on actual (historical) data up to 5th April.

  416. Tony permalink
    April 16, 2020 9:58 am

    Creepy Uncle Joe.

    And his media guardians.

  417. Tom R permalink
    April 16, 2020 10:40 am

    They just can’t help but blackmail people, can they

  418. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 16, 2020 11:10 am

    Creepy Uncle Joe.

    Amazing how sensitive the NYT is to the Biden campaign. The editor admitted that the statement was factual but deleted it anyway!

    “We didn’t think it was a factual mistake,” Baquet said. “I thought it was an awkward phrasing issue that could be read different ways and that it wasn’t something factual we were correcting.”

    I trust they are disclosing their reporting as an in kind donation to the Biden campaign.

  419. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2020 11:12 am

    ToSY I only got this far … can you see the error in this statement …

    To have shuttered much of the economy because of a virus that is killing one or two a day is a radical error that is unnecessarily costing Israel 20% of its GDP, he charged.

    I’ll read the rest anyway.

  420. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2020 11:16 am

    They just can’t help but blackmail people, can they

    Not everyone has a mobile phone … and mine f’rinstance stays on my desk 99% of the time … must be something to do with my aversion to telephones in general …

  421. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2020 11:17 am

    >He added: “I strongly urge that we not let mathematicians — who know nothing about biology — determine when we lift the lockdown.”

    I’m inclined to agree with, Prof. Gabi Barbash, a hospital director and the former Health Ministry director general …

  422. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2020 11:25 am

    I trust they are disclosing their reporting as an in kind donation to the Biden campaign.

    GMAB

    Have you ever read about the covert and overt sexual harassment claims Trump’s lawyers paid off and his fancy for pussies …

    Biden’s creepy when you see it but Trump is no better in fact he’s worse …

    Worse or worst … 2ist Century politics has certainly reached the bottom of the barrel …

  423. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 16, 2020 11:43 am

    “Biden’s creepy when you see it but Trump is no better in fact he’s worse …”

    Do you really think NYT allowed Trump to edit any of their stories on him?

    Has anyone made a credible claim of sexual assault against Trump? Paying hush-money to whores is an entirely different thing to assaulting some one!

    The Democrats will regret choosing this senile kiddie-fiddler. I still can’t believe they plan to through with it!

  424. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2020 12:05 pm

    He was closely in touch with the key figures at News [Corp], he told me, and said they were getting ready to dump Abbott. And he made it clear he saw himself as the successor.”

    Turnbull (new book) on Morrison.

    Who woulda thought News Corpse was involved? LOL!

  425. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2020 12:09 pm

    25 “whores” … chuckle …

    Don’t care … don’t like either … don’t like the USA … feel sorry for the dumb-nuts that survive their … pissed off at the effect the Septic Tank has had on me and mine.

    Oz=51st state …

  426. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2020 12:10 pm

    Just acquired The Irishman … and Kesari …

  427. Tom R permalink
    April 16, 2020 12:57 pm

    America has hit rock bottom

  428. Tony permalink
    April 16, 2020 1:54 pm

    From a population of around 6.5 million, Victoria currently has 148 people sick with this virus, down from 159 yesterday. At what point will the high-on-power politicians start easing the restrictions?

    As of 15 April 2020, Victoria has 1299 total confirmed cases, an increase of 8 since yesterday. 39 people are in hospital, including 18 people in intensive care. 14 people have died. 132 cases have an unknown source of infection, an increase of 10 since yesterday. 1137 people have recovered.

  429. Tony permalink
    April 16, 2020 1:55 pm

    They won’t say.

  430. Tom R permalink
    April 16, 2020 2:14 pm

    “Lock down is working”

    “What should we do”

    “STOP IT!”

    [facepalm]

  431. Tony permalink
    April 16, 2020 2:21 pm

    [facepalm]

    When do you want them to stop it? I’m guessing not ‘never’. So what metric should our Dear Leaders use? In a year or so when there’s a vaccine? Or some earlier time. You, or our governments, haven’t said.

  432. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 16, 2020 2:23 pm

    Tony, it is good of you to keep pointing out how successful the current measures have been. I am also aware of all the theories out there such as the Israeli study you mentioned previously. Personally, I’m glad that our governments are not jumping on the latest untested theory and are taking a conservative approach.

    Sometimes you remind me of the crazies who thought that individuals should have the right to not wear seat belts or crash helmets. (I assume there are not many around now due to natural selection.)

    Gavin Newsome has been a good administrator in this crisis and achieved a reasonably good outcome for California as compared with, say, New York.

    He has published a fairly sensible guide to re-opening his state’s economy. Seems sensible to me. I would also look at what is happening in other places to see if we can improve our response including knowing the best time to relax some of the measures.

  433. Tom R permalink
    April 16, 2020 2:36 pm

    When do you want them to stop it?

    We are in the very envious position of being able to watch other countries, and how their timing and reactions pan out. That is who we should be taking note of, not economists who are lamenting the drop in their portfolio.

    I heard that Singapore, the one we based our schools policy on for remaining open, even though their schools are prepared far more effectively than ours, has now closed theirs for a month, as a second wave of the virus has swept the country.

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/singapore-moves-to-close-schools-workplaces-in-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic

    We also need to implement far wider testing among the community at large before we can consider our next steps.

  434. Tony permalink
    April 16, 2020 2:58 pm

    Tony, it is good of you to keep pointing out how successful the current measures have been.

    I’m sure you’ve heard the saying correlation does not imply causation. It seems incurious not to entertain the idea there could be other factors at work, such as our climate.

  435. Tom R permalink
    April 16, 2020 3:04 pm

    Not sure anyone has said it’s nothing to do with the climate, in fact, many have said we were lucky because it happened when our weather was good, and we have been ‘blessed’ with a very late summer.

  436. Tony permalink
    April 16, 2020 3:13 pm

    many have said we were lucky because it happened when our weather was good

    Not here they haven’t. I’ve been a lone voice on that score.

  437. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 16, 2020 3:16 pm

    “we were lucky because it happened when our weather was good, and we have been ‘blessed’ with a very late summer.”

    Global warming is good, you say?

  438. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 16, 2020 3:23 pm

    It seems incurious not to entertain the idea there could be other factors at work, such as our climate.”

    I’m not incurious. I just watched Tucker Carlson interview Governor Murphy and make some reasonable points as well as some silly stuff. But when it comes to policy in a crisis situation I prefer caution, particularly when there are spectacular examples of the consequences of incaution.

    I know causation is not correlation. But until we can tease out the relevant causes correlation is all we have.

  439. Tom R permalink
    April 16, 2020 3:41 pm

    Global warming is good, you say?

    🙂

    thank dog for tosy

    https://gph.is/2d3u5fz

  440. Tony permalink
    April 16, 2020 3:45 pm

    Hi ho fucking Silver!

  441. Tony permalink
    April 16, 2020 3:58 pm

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison has said Australians must prepare for “very sobering news” in the wake of COVID-19.

    “We do need to prepare ourselves as a country for some very sobering news on the economic front in months ahead,” he said at a Canberra press conference today.

    No shit, Sherlock? How about a plan to get us back to work then?

  442. Tom R permalink
    April 16, 2020 4:02 pm

    How about a plan to get us back to work then?

    I’ve heard they are talking about manufacturing our own whips in future so this won’t happen again.

  443. Tony permalink
    April 16, 2020 4:21 pm

    There is one apparent anomaly when comparing national virus stats with those of Victoria. The percentage of total cases classed as ‘recovered’ in Victoria is around 87.5%. Nationally it’s about 57%. (NSW doesn’t publish ‘recovered’ numbers so I can’t check their figures.) Most curious.

  444. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2020 4:34 pm

    … when it comes to policy in a crisis situation I prefer caution

    Indeed … another phrase, (I’m sure you’ve heard) “Plan for the worst- hope for the best”

    How about a plan to get us back to work then?

    First we beat the beast!

  445. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2020 4:39 pm

    Just got this email … thought ToM might be interested (seeing the libraries are closed)

    https://www.rivers.com.au/home-and-lifestyle/entertainment/books?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=RIE2042_16APR20_THURS2_ALL&sc_src=email_655133&sc_lid=45809380&sc_uid=QUtTb4EUcw&sc_llid=659418&sc_eh=b2148e039e18a5fa1

    Big W have great prices on books too!

  446. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 16, 2020 4:47 pm

    It’s time to open pubs, cafes and restaurants… and libraries.

  447. Tom R permalink
    April 16, 2020 5:09 pm

    yea, what’s a few extra dead old people, just so long as yomm get’s his pokie fix and taxpayer funded books

    Who’d have known he was such a blood red commie?

  448. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 16, 2020 5:44 pm

    It appears we are past the highest risk stage.

    The current level of restrictions were due to the expert advice that-
    * the the public health system would be inundated with seriously ill people, and at risk of collapse,
    * we would run out of ventilators,
    * medical staff would have to pick and choose who was going to survive and who would not.

    That’s why we moved to this very high level of restriction, or have you forgotten the rationale?

    Now that we’re a long way from that point, it’s time to acknowledge that a different set of restrictions are appropriate. Restrictions that protect the welfare of those most vulnerable, but allow everyone else to start to rebuild their lives.

    The sooner people can have a sense that they are over the worst (and we are) the better for everyone.

  449. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2020 5:54 pm

    It appears we are past the highest risk stage.

    So on “appearances” you suggest we open premises that entice large crowds …

    It’s time to open pubs, cafes and restaurants… and libraries.

    … this very high level of restriction …

  450. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 16, 2020 6:38 pm

    Quite simply TB, we are living with unprecedented restrictions. And ICUs aren’t being overrun, medicos aren’t having to decide who gets a ventilator and who doesn’t, and there is absolutely no sign that we’re going to be anywhere near that

    So let’s put all the effort into protecting those most vulnerable, and let others start to rebuild their lives.

    I can’t think of a rational reason not to do this, but I’m certain there are plenty of irrational ones.

  451. Tom R permalink
    April 16, 2020 6:48 pm

    I’m guessing yomm missed what’s happening in Singapore.

  452. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 16, 2020 7:15 pm

    Cause, Sir Robert Gordon Menzies, KT, AK, CH, QC, FAA, FRS … wanted to show off to the Yanks!

    You have any evidence for that? I always thought it strange that we supported the USA in the Vietnam war but Britain did not

  453. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 16, 2020 9:38 pm

    I don’t play golf, so those antics don’t really interest me, but is there any evidence that coronavirus has been passed on-
    * via a game of golf?
    * or between a mother and daughter who live together, but who have gone out in the same car?
    * or when a couple take a 3 hour walk along a coastal track?
    * or when 2 people ride their bikes 40 km?
    * or when someone has a takeaway coffee at a table near someone else eating their lunch in a park?

    Some of the above are legal and some aren’t.

    It’s time to cut the crap and let people get on with rebuilding their lives after this disaster.

  454. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2020 9:53 pm

    Panic mode already?

  455. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 16, 2020 10:05 pm

    It doesn’t seem to concern the left that-
    *young people who can’t afford their mortgage will just have the debt added
    *a generation will have severe restraints in government services because our generation took our time in allowing people to rebuild their lives
    *the reasons we took our time had nothing to do with the reasons we put the restrictions in place

    Great work boomers, load your inadequacies on to the next generation.

  456. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 17, 2020 6:24 am

    Interesting numbers here:

  457. Tony permalink
    April 17, 2020 9:41 am

    Annoying phrase number 3,346: “does that make sense?” or “if that makes sense” at the end of every sentence.

  458. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 17, 2020 9:46 am

    Japan tried a more relaxed approach to social isolation but is now backtracking at a rate of knots.

    Japan makes coronavirus emergency nationwide as Abe plans cash payouts for all:

    “We are still on the brink of the COVID-19 war,” added Wada, a professor at the capital’s International University of Health and Welfare. “We are still just at the beginning.”

    Health minister Katsunobu Kato said officials were worried about the rapid spread of infections, which have increased 2.2 times between April 7 and Wednesday.

  459. Tony permalink
    April 17, 2020 9:50 am

    When Christine Blasey Ford accused federal judge Brett Kavanaugh of nearly killing her and trying to rape her when she was in high school, she was unable to provide any evidence that the two had even met. That didn’t stop media outlets from doing everything they could to destroy Brett Kavanaugh’s life and keep him from becoming a Supreme Court Justice. When Tara Reade accused her former employer Joe Biden of sexually assaulting her when he was a United States Senator, media outlets buried the news. The Washington Post and New York Times were forced to finally mention it on Easter Sunday, but CNN has enforced a strict block on even mentioning the allegation, much less giving it the kind of coverage Blasey Ford received for her claim.

    Even for a generally corrupt media that is engaged in disinformation campaigns on a routine basis, the disparity in how CNN gave wall-to-wall coverage of Blasey Ford and has forbidden any coverage of Reade is shocking. …

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/16/cnn-flooded-zone-with-kavanaugh-coverage-hasnt-mentioned-bidens-accuser-once/

  460. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 17, 2020 9:50 am

    #3,347 – “There’s a lot to unpack here”

  461. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 17, 2020 9:53 am

    ToSy – Yet another example of democracy dying in the darkness at WaPo, NYT, CNN et al.

  462. Tony permalink
    April 17, 2020 9:58 am

  463. Tony permalink
    April 17, 2020 10:00 am

  464. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 17, 2020 10:04 am

    He couldn’t give a rats.”

    Who does?

    He should stick to cat-strangling. And gazing longingly into the mirror.

  465. Tony permalink
    April 17, 2020 10:16 am

  466. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2020 10:31 am

    Poor Peta …

  467. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 17, 2020 11:00 am

    Peta’s spot on with that remark – the whining back-stabbing hypocrite complains about being back-stabbed. Too funny. He’s just a smug rich cunt totally in love with himself.

  468. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 17, 2020 11:22 am

    He’s just a smug rich cunt totally in love with himself.

    Yes! And the difference between him and every other politician is the “rich” bit

  469. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 17, 2020 11:31 am

    “Yes! And the difference between him and every other politician is the “rich” bit”

    That’s a bit rich! 🙂

  470. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 17, 2020 11:32 am

    But true.

  471. Tom R permalink
    April 17, 2020 11:41 am

    The Rest: Turnbull is a traitor and a liar and cannot be trusted , the same as Rudd and Morrison

  472. Tom R permalink
    April 17, 2020 11:44 am

  473. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 17, 2020 11:58 am

    I think Little Bill Two-Knives was the master back-stabber. He knifed two PMs whereas Turdball only knifed one ( plus a leader of the opposition).

  474. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 17, 2020 12:00 pm

    Be fair, Tom R. At least this time he isn’t on some Hawaiian beach.

    Actually, I don’t like too much of the blame game in all of this.

  475. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 17, 2020 12:01 pm

  476. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2020 1:04 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/trump-coronavirus-reopening-us-economy-guidelines-governors

    And the apprentice does the same … TR @ April 17, 2020 11:44 am LOL!

    Nothing is new …

  477. Tom R permalink
    April 17, 2020 1:06 pm

    Actually, I don’t like too much of the blame game in all of this.

    It’s called politics, and the libs haven’t let a little thing like a global pandemic stop them from playing it.

  478. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2020 1:12 pm

    Actually, I don’t like too much of the blame game in all of this.

    Doesn’t seem to bother other people … very Trumpesque of Sooty …

    Scott Morrison accuses aged-care worker of being dishonest about contacts amid coronavirus outbreak

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/04/17/tasmania-outbreak-contacts/

  479. Tom R permalink
    April 17, 2020 2:38 pm

  480. Tom R permalink
    April 17, 2020 3:28 pm

  481. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2020 4:28 pm

    Yesterday Porter’s announcement meant that workers would only have 24 hours to decide whether to accept or reject changes to their enterprise bargaining agreements, if their employers tried to change them.

    Previously, they had seven days.

    The ideology of lying, cheating, obfuscation, bible thumping hypocrisy and damning deceitfulness … I hope and pray that their St Peter is waiting with open arms at his gate … and pointing straight to their hell …

  482. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2020 4:34 pm

    Meanwhile his mate Lukey Howarth is sending out his letter telling us all about Corvid – 19 and what to do … a little note about Anzac Day (its been cancelled – did you know?) and a little notepad with his fucking photo on top of every page! His background —— marketing like his fucking boss … spend our money where it will help people, Lukey … dopey bastard!

  483. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2020 4:36 pm

    Correction

    Meanwhile, Potato Head Dutton’s, mate Lukey Howarth …

  484. Tony permalink
    April 17, 2020 9:26 pm

    Of a population of around 25.5 million, Australia has 2639 active cases. That’s .01% of the population – 1/100th of a percent! So just one in every 10,000 people is sick from the virus. One in every 392,000 has died.

    And yet, millions are now out of work, and our grandchildren will be paying the financial cost for decades.

    Click to access coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_14.pdf

  485. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 18, 2020 6:53 am

    This s a great response:

  486. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 18, 2020 7:02 am

    If you want to take Trump down this is a good tactic: calm, moderate and deadly.

    The problem is that Trump gets so far under the skin of his rivals they can’t hide their twisted bitterness. It’ll be interesting to see how Trump responds to Cuomo. I guess we will see in an hour or so.

    Cuomo says he s not running for president but here he is definitely putting his credentials on the table. And seriously how can the Democrats choose Biden as their nominee over Cuomo.

  487. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2020 11:43 am

    Willkommen im vierten Reich …

    Labor leader Anthony Albanese – who found out about the app in the newspaper – is concerned about the prospect of forcibly being tracked.

    This “government” doesn’t even communicate with the Opposition Leader … that’s a diktat in anyone’s language … its certainly not Westminster democracy …

  488. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 18, 2020 2:34 pm

    This “government” doesn’t even communicate with the Opposition Leader

    I am not up on the topic but I do know the ALP. I doubt the ALP when in govt ever communicated with the Opposition leader.

    The ALP and their supporters like TB are the MASTERS of deceit.

    ALP supporters only complain when they cannot get their own way. TB of Queensland is nothing but a schoolyard bully just like the party he supports

  489. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2020 3:47 pm

    Golf is banned in Victoria, but not elsewhere, apparently because”it’s a bad look” or something, according to Daniel Andrews.

    Restrictions have to be coherent, and be capable of explanation. In this Dan fails miserably

    I surf, and I’m glad that’s allowed, but it is no better a “look” than people walking around a golf course.

    I think there’s likely to be some civil disobedience but those unruly, radicals that play golf!

  490. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2020 6:32 pm

    I am not up on the topic …

    You never are “up on the topic”, Kneel … so shut your computer down … and go to bed like yer Mum said

  491. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2020 6:34 pm

    I think there’s likely to be some civil disobedience … Yawn … bedtime for you too Sam …

  492. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 18, 2020 6:43 pm

    TB

    I don’t need to be up on the topic. I was up on the topic on lots of issues from years ago but I don’t have the time now to study every topic.

    My conclusion from years ago is that ALP supporters are schoolyard bullies. Nothing I have seen changes my opinion.

  493. ivi permalink
    April 18, 2020 7:06 pm

    (Psst, Albo. Labor voted for the LNP’s legislation(s) which allow(s) ‘devices’ surreptitiously to be implanted into (un)involved (third-)parties’ ‘devices’ (at (in)determinate scale) – ie, the potential to ‘monitor’ everyone and everything, in an IoT-world – years ago; but some were more fascinated with a(n in)conveniently-spectacular (ill-)definition of ‘metadata’ at the time.)

  494. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2020 7:15 pm

    And the Queensland government wants to give Virgin Airlines $200mill. What a stupid waste of taxpayer money.

  495. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2020 9:01 pm

    I agree ToM … global private companies should not be supported by the people’s tax … we are not communists … they could be offered a loan … see Uber Kapitalism relies on communism … and neither work …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I don’t need to be up on the topic.

    Yes you do … or shut the fuck up!

    Who let 2700 people into your state – covered in Covid 19? See how easy it is … fuckwit you are … “I don’t have time” … you’ve got all the time in the world at the moment – you are just a lazy liberal stooge …

  496. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2020 9:03 pm

    I see Sooty has decided that he can’t make tracking apps compulsory … welcome to the 21st century and VPN’s … ain’t learning great …

  497. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2020 9:40 am

    In response to the question of why golf is banned in Victoria, the Health Minister said – a life is more important than a game of golf.

    FMD. What type of answer is that?

    If only all the other states would stop people killing each other by playing golf.

    Queensland, NSW etc just place no value on human life!

    What a complete F***WIT we have running the health department here…and the police too.

  498. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2020 9:41 am

    Government Services Minister:

    “There is no geolocation, there is no surveillance, there is no tracking.

    The app simply connects with another app. If those two phones are within 1.5 metres for 15 minutes it simply swaps phone numbers and names. That information is held encrypted and securely on the individual’s mobile phone.”

    Anyone else see issues with this? Are these people so fkn ignorant? Or think most Australians are?

    Trust any government with this?

    Then it dawned on me – we fight for freedom every day!

  499. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2020 9:47 am

    What a complete F***WIT we have running the health department here…and the police too.

    I guess its ’cause they have to deal with so many Mexican fuckwits …

    We don’t have that problem in Queensland of course all is running well here … thanks for asking …

    World of Thunder is good fun tanks or planes or ships … I played in a squad last night with my youngest and oldest g/son – best squad award for every game … ‘tho it is more difficult than golf …

    And started reading God Is Not Great (finally) … interesting … starts off almost describing my own childhood (different county) …

  500. Tony permalink
    April 19, 2020 11:36 am

    It’s amazing Victoria’s Chief Health Officer can even find the time to ban golf and other murderous pursuits, what with all the far more important self-promotion he’s involved in.

  501. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2020 11:50 am

    ToSY (and ToM) I have to inform you that there is a petition in Queensland to permanently close the borders … they’re building The Wall as I write as part of our – Reinforcing The Future With Infrastructure Program – keeps QUEENSLANDERS! employed and Mexicans at home … seems you’re banned everywhere …

    “Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.”

    Galatians 6:7

    Started reading, The Bible* again too as a juxtaposition to God Is Not Great – I suppose I’ should re-check my Qoran and Torah too …

    * My favourite part is, The Book of Kings, sex, murder, deception and deceit better than many thrillers – should be made into a film …

  502. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 19, 2020 12:37 pm

    Reading the bible for pleasure is a little odd.

    And if a wall can keep the beer swilling Queenslander property developers away from the civilized parts of the country, I’m all for it!

    Queensland people have no regard for human life, because they play golf!

  503. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2020 2:24 pm

    Reading the bible for pleasure is a little odd.

    Really, ToM, its for knowledge and truth – even you should know their is no pleasure (allowed) in religious teachings …

    Is the Karma Sutra religious?

  504. Tom R permalink
    April 20, 2020 8:35 am

    tosy’s got a bit of hair envy there? 🙂

    More than 100 economists warn against prematurely loosening coronavirus restrictions

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/04/20/economists-letter-coronavirus-restrictions/

    “Hey, it’s working”

    “STOP IT NOW!”

    Watching trump in merica trying to foment an insurgency to get people sick is something to see. Watching his inspired armed thugs with face masks and Swastikas is ….. truly fucked up.

  505. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2020 9:06 am

    Watching trump in merica trying to foment an insurgency …

    And even my limited understanding of the American Constitution tells me its ILLEGAL!

    Impeach him … POTUS is mentally unstable! Obviously!

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