“It was a sad story and not of much interest to me.”

Quick question, which ex pms gave this predator a written character reference?

Do we really think that the people at this level didn’t have access to this info?

I think the High Court found against that.

I think the High Court found that they didn’t think there was enough evidence ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ that he was a fully fledged pedophile himself, not that he wasn’t.

But, someone who enables predators is as liable as them. They have allowed someone, with their knowledge, to rape children.

So despite the Victoria’s ALP government imposing severe restrictions, the main cause of the virus here is in a meat works owned by a long time ALP member, and substantial donor.

Just listening to Dan Andrews, he’s saying -“don’t worry librarians, we won’t be rushing you back to work. There’s plenty of time to watch tv on full pay!”

Go Victoria! We’ll proudly be the laggards !

Apparently it’s VE Day……………………….not that it apparently means much today on it’s 75th anniversary.

But it used to !

Was it because the Allied troops invaded spreading violence and diseases and displacing all those nice peace loving people called Nazis and almost exterminating them ?

Hanging on Twitter waiting on the Deputy Chief Medical Officer of Victoria for her thoughts

Yeah! Sally McManus just wants to rip off workers, the ACTU is clearly a front for the bosses!

and have fallen through the safety net

It’s more like a hole than a net

I had noticed the same phenomenon

And then in the next breath, they demand co-operation between parties, after gang banging on one Labor state. Dickwads

It’s a dog’s breakfast.

It is, but, that’s pretty much the nature of the beast. Different areas require different solutions at different times. And, from what I can see, each state seems to be doing it pretty much as they should. This was illustrative of the difference between the nature of cases between NSW and Vic.

1. I think I’ve been particularly critical of the HUGE government largesse, wouldn’t you agree?
2. It isn’t the federal government that has forced Victorians to have stricter restrictions, for longer, isn’t that a fact?
3. The police love heavy handed policing – particularly when it’s just a soft target like a woman or a youth or a child.

Dan’s manual for his restrictions!! It’s amazing how straightforward it is to get obedience!

“The “wait” command tells dogs people to focus on you, stay where they are and not move forward until you release them. This command is especially helpful to prevent your dog people from bolting out the door…”

Dan’s in charge!

https://www.thesprucepets.com/how-to-train-dog-to-wait-1117300

Yes, Dan Andrews is so very concerned about saving lives…but an extra 750-1500 people will suicide due to the government imposed recession- about 10 times as many as will die from coronavirus.

That’s why people have to be able to rebuild their lives sooner rather than later. But Dan prefers later.

Preliminary modelling by the Brain and Mind Centre suggests the COVID-19 crisis could cause up to 750 extra suicides a year, if the unemployment rate was around 11 per cent.

But in a worst case scenario, where unemployment were to peak at about 16 per cent, that could double to an additional 1500 additional deaths a year.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-07/national-suicide-register-needed-coronavirus-surge/12208668

Of course! I now agree with you and TB! But you express it so well. You know an extra 750-1500 suicides due to a government induced recession is not worth worrying about. The scale if that tragedy is meaningless!

But let’s lock everyone in for a bit longer (and cause a little more emotional and economic hardship) because we’ve had about a tenth of that number due to the coronavirus!

I’ve provided the link to the additional suicides due to the government induced recession.

An additional 750.to 1500. That’s because people are in despair, and there is no political will to consider that.

Politicians and media are looking only at the coronavirus stats.

Just own the complete outcome of the policy you advocate.

Yes, so when you close down jobs, pull the support you promised out from under people, and then they get depressed and kill themselves, OWN IT!

Well, excuse me if I provide a rational opinion about the effects of unrestrained government spending.

I realise it makes the “predictable” a little uncomfortable if they start to think about the consequences of the policies they want.

Boomers- hooked on credit! Spend now, pay later.

As for franking credits, it is irresponsible for a political party to advocate significant change to retirement planning without grandfathering or phasing.

From memory, it was around $8 Billion/year Labor were going to save.

Chicken feed really, isn’t it 😉

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/mar/13/labor-to-axe-cash-refunds-for-wealthy-investors-saving-114bn

We’ll have a deficit of about 100%+ of GDP soon enough.

Got a link?

Dan says

I’m asking for Victorians to use common sense.

Hi Dan, may I introduce you to a “Victorian” (that’s the State, not the Epoch)

“Of course it will, otherwise Prince Daniel of Covidsaviour wouldn’t be allowed to make his Royal Decrees.”

might be looking at the rest of of Australia and sying fucking hell, Andrews was right …

I’m sure that’s what Dan is hoping!

In breaking news, murdochs shit rag is still shit ragging on a Labor leader

YAAAWN

Been reading the debate on here with interest. If I was a government that was being criticised for not opening up the place fast enough I would be making sure that any deaths from corona virus as a result of being pressured to open up faster and those putting the pressure on, that the relatives of those that succumed to the virus once the opening up started would receive assistance to sue the arse off the agitators for opening up the economy. Afterall FOX removed some of Donald Trumps ardent supporters from their programming schedules, for fear of being sued as a result of their lies and conspiracy cures.

My own conspiracy theory. Alan Jones retires as station cannot afford the liability insurance to cover his increasingly outrageous comments and agitation to civil disobedience.

lts been quite funny seeing my comments broadcast daily continually on the networks. Just how funny is it that the homeland potatoe has our goblins in lockdown after feverishly scibbling away so many of our rights. As we head toward our 1929ish future the silver lining will be LockDown Two point Zero.

Hi Shane- when you say- the relatives of those that succumed to the virus once the opening up started would receive assistance to sue the arse off the agitators for opening up the economy

On exactly the same basis the loved ones of those that suicide due to the government induced recession could sue. After all, the government deliberately chose to impose a recession, with the knowledge that it would cause high unemployment.

All these decisions have a serious downside.

Winter is coming .. so prepare your phireEngines.

Yes`osy. l also loved the private schools bleating to the telcos they had the latest and greatest gear to do video classrooms during superbug, but the students could not receive it coz of the dud wireCo network. Own Goals are always spectacular.

Schools in Victoria have just become safe again

You read bad

On exactly the same basis the loved ones of those that suicide due to the government induced recession could sue.

On the basis that the government created a recessionary situation, and then withdrew the promised stimulus to alleviate it

Ten times as many deaths from the remedy/solution as the disease.

Ten times as many deaths from the remedy/solution as the disease.

Link?

“Victorian government school students will begin a phased return to classrooms before the end of May, “ following advice from Victoria’s Chief Health Officer that it is safe for the community to do so

It supplies the context that the advice is for a phased return before the end of May as it is becoming safe to do so, not that they “have just become safe again”

Like I said tosy, you read bad

OR, yor trying to lie to us?

It’s your comprehension that needs work, not mine.

Yea, cos ‘phase in at the end of the month” means NOW right 😉

Yes, about 10 times as many additional deaths due to government induced recession as due to coronavirus.

*Increase of 50%
*750 to 1500 additional suicides

But they’re not scrutinised the way coronavirus stats are, so they’re not politically sensitive.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-s-suicide-rate-could-surge-due-to-economic-fallout-of-coronavirus

“could”… It’s between 750 and 1500. That’s the “could” context.

And it’s based on modelling by experts, and you’re certainly one who uses modelling by experts as evidence to support your own views

Yet you think that’s without consequences to mental health and additional suicides.

you read bad.

Best wishes to josh, hope this brings it close to home for him

What’s the morrisons kids are back home tomorrow 😉

Harsh history lesson TB

TB

Just an update for you !!

“Earlier this week, the Australian Financial Complaints Authority (AFCA) published data for the six months to December 2019, which found that the number of mortgage-related complaints rose by 20 per cent when compared to the average monthly figure in the previous reporting period.

Despite this, brokers only represented 15 of the 2,201 progressed home loan complaints made by consumers.

This equated to 0.68 per cent of all complaints made in relation to home loans in the six months to December 2019, down from 0.74 per cent in the previous reporting period.”

Heading towards 0.05% of complaints yet we are still the ones being fucked and crucified. I see our industry folding over the next 2 years while the big 4 will once again control the financial industry and have borrowers by the throat. What a total disaster the RC was, being chaired by a biased commission that made massive rulings against brokers while the cases revealed during the RC were all by Banks and not brokers

That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you people.

“You People” have heard a lot about a certain State Premier, but no much about the real Dicktator, who, in true Dicktator style, just keeps blaming things on his patsy, and “some people” play along merrily.

I get the feeling that workers, who thought they had it bad leading in to Covid19, haven’t seen anything yet

I see we are being told the unemployment isn’t as bad as anticipated.

Why would that be I wonder?

Now a quick point – the jobkeeper payment has complicated the unemployment rate quite a bit – masking the true story, if it were.

The ABS has changed its definitions.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/14/australia-coronavirus-live-updates-nsw-victoria-qld-lockdown-politics-latest-news-update?page=with:block-5ebca1bf8f080c727453a861#block-5ebca1bf8f080c727453a861

Maintained stimulus and spending even when the evidence showed it was no longer necessary

Link

Actually, I could ask for a link for all of that spiel

Do some of your own research. Swan continued with stimulus spending (to encourage economic activity) at the very time the Reserve Bank was raising interest rates to take the edge off economic activity!

That is exceptionally inefficient

Well that’s nice. You think it’s efficient for monetary and fiscal policy to pull in opposite directions.

That’s probably a common view among “the predictable”

Apologies for the long post, but this spells out how much we are being lied to about hte real depth of job losses

Jim Stanford, the director of the Australia Institute’s Centre for Future Work, has crunched the numbers on what is left out of the 6.2% unemployment figure.
He said:

“Official unemployment increased by just 105,000 people. However, 500,000 people lost work but ‘left’ the labour force. To be included in the labour force, you must be available for work and ‘actively seeking it.’ For many, there was no point seeking work in April (or actually impossible to do so.) So, we should count them in actual unemployed too.
Then there’s another 750,000 Australians who were ‘employed’ but didn’t work a single hour. Jobkeeper helps on that score: the goal of the program is to maintain attachment between workers and employers, even if there’s no work. Include them and suddenly unemployment is now 2.1 million — not the official 823,000. That’s an unemployment rate equal to 15% of the adjusted labour force.
However, to get a true picture of unemployment, we also need to account for the big drop in hours of those who did work. Average monthly hours for those still employed fell by 7 hours per worker for the month of April, or by 5%. That’s the loss of another 600,000 full time equivalent positions. That takes genuine unemployment to almost 20%.
Anyone claiming unemployment was ‘not as bad as expected’, has not worked through how the misleading ‘6.2% unemployment rate’ is constructed. A more meaningful number is 20%.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/14/australia-coronavirus-live-updates-nsw-victoria-qld-lockdown-politics-latest-news-update?page=with:block-5ebcce938f08d99d46a1696b#block-5ebcce938f08d99d46a1696b

In the link from rebs New Daily link, Julia Gillard shows how it SHOULD have been done

“Having said that, I do think that, as rational human beings, we can also say to ourselves that whether a problem originates in Sydney, in China, in Portugal, in Brazil, in the United Kingdom, in any country on earth — wherever a problem originates that’s got a possibility of having a profound impact on human health around the planet, then of course it needs to be studied, it needs to be understood.

“Not so that fingers can be pointed, but so that lessons can be learned.”

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/05/15/coronavirus-julia-gillard-china/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020200515

the purpose is prevention not accusation

Yes, but some babies need someone to blame for their own stuff ups

“Except of course, that these people haven’t worked.”

There is no way to tell unless you are advocating we track them via the App…… Mein Fuhrer.

I know of plenty of my clients who are receiving Job Keeper but have their employees at the workplace still working.

Australia prepares for boom in candle wax and tumbleweed

Megaphone diplomacy springs to mind

“China has threatened to cut off Australia’s $63 billion iron ore export pipeline to Beijing, as relations continue to sour over the COVID-19 inquiry.”

Very very unlikely.

The only other really big producer is Vale (pronounced Va Lay) of Brazil. There is no way they could fill the supply gap in the absence of Rio, BHP and Fortescue and there is no way Vale will spend what would be $ Billions on an production expansion program that might become obsolete if Australian supplies to China resume to normal.

For Vale that would be financial lunacy. Plus you might find a good deal of pressure on Brazil by the West to refuse to fill the gap

Vale will just end up enjoying monopoly prices and the Chinese will just have to pay those prices even if their steel mills are running at massive losses of billions.

If it happens it wont last long

And with Coal because our Coal is of such high quality the Chinese would then need to modify their steel furnaces to cope with the lower quality. In China each steel company and its furnaces take supply from different areas (countries of origin) of the supply chain. That takes puts some offline for a time and again costs lots of $$$$$$$$$.

The scenario has already been “war gamed” by our blue chips

At my wife’s workplace the employer gets Jobkeeper. The workers work their normal hours and get the higher of their normal wage or Jobkeeper.

It really seems like quite a stupid setup, open for so much rorting and misuse. Even after explaining it here, there are so many questions left unanswered

“Can your boss make you work extra hours?”

Ummm………No

And that has been my understanding from Day 1 and my advice to 14 clients on Jobkeeper

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/1000541/norway-wants-china-to-forget-about-the-human-rights-thing-and-eat-salmon-instead/amp/

Thanks TB…………………plus Brazil does not have the port capacity to keep up with the Chinese demand. And they are not going to build what could be temporary capacity to cope.

I forgot that bit

It’s gettin’ dangerous out there. Will Putin appear from stage Left…………….?

“One of the four suspects charged with the murder of nearly 300 people on board a flight shot down over Ukraine has been arrested by separatist rebels, it was reported on Thursday.”

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/suspect-in-mh17-shoot-down-case-arrested-in-ukraine-20200515-p54tcx.html

Mr Frydenberg has turned back Australia’s economic policy clock nearly three decades, promising to make the same mistakes that prolonged the pain of the early 1990s recession.

Well at least Wayne Swan admitted that Labors policies made the early 1990’s recession worse than it should have been

Splattebum

Since i am bored and have nothing better to do i will make a comment playing devils advocate.

Perhaps it is too early to post a comment like that. Come back next year and then post your beliefs

Wonder if there is any soverign risk granting antibioticAbuseWhim to corporate farms.

it is now inevitable that Trump will get the virus!

“will get” ??

Australians will not reward cowardly politicians who suck up to tyrants and fall silent in the face of evil

True. We applaud dissidents in many countries for having the courage to speak out. But many seem to shy away from offending the powerful. China is a bully with their claims in the South China Sea, and if ever we are going to rebalance the relationship, it’s when the economy is in recession.

I think “Chinese rat fuckers” had a nicer ring to it.

Isn’t it strange that the pm who had the best relationship with China was the one who truly spoke truth to power to them?

I guess rat fuckers stick together 🙂

That’s about as relevant as who had the best relationship with Stalin.

Had we outsourced all of our manufacturing to Stalin, and sold hims vast chunks of our primary land and services?

Thank you for clarifying the use of the comma, but a colon might have been better.

Oh, so that’s what Telehealth is.

Knowing my luck, spell checker would stuff it up and put an apostrophe where the colon was 😦

OUCH:

We shouldn’t feel too “special”

Seems like everyone gets a whack from this rag

http://www.globaltimes.cn/

The stench just worsens

The disclosures range from a Labor electorate that failed to win a single dollar from Senator McKenzie’s slush fund despite having one of the more highly rated applications, to the “coincidental” windfalls for seats the Coalition was most interested in and Coalition seats doing overwhelmingly better than Labor electorates.

The numbers come after the ongoing exposure of the close involvement of the Prime Minister’s office – something Scott Morrison has long denied.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/05/21/michael-pascoe-sports-rorts/

He can deny all he wants, but every time he does, the journalists SHOULD call him out for the liar he is.

But they won’t

Look at the polls……………I don’t see to much concern about sports rorts.

Polls don’t help you much when you have broken the law.

And, polls are gonna look pretty interesting once we start experiencing the ‘snap back’.

By then, he’ll have nowhere to turn from his taxpayer funded electioneering.

What’s the good of a pandemic if you can’t exploit it. Privatization, yaays

So you lefties want the govt to run everything. You use a pandemic to socialise everything and get the govt to run everything.

We used to have a relatively balanced capitalist/socialist system in this country but you lefties want to socialise everything.

100% of everything run by the govt is what you lefties want

looks like the libs have found some spare cash to fund their next election campaign with

“Treasury and ATO say a reporting error by about 1,000 businesses means the number of expected JobKeeper recipients has been revised down from 6.5m to 3.5m, costing $70b instead of $130b.”

Just goes to show that an unemployment rate of 6% is required otherwise you are really eating off the bottom of the birdcage

So 1,000 businesses have on average each made a $30 million mistake. I would think that means on average they are fairly size able businesses. I have filled out Job Keeper for around 20 clients.

It ain”t that difficult. What sort of mediocrity do those 1,000 businesses employ ?

“”””””””””””””It ain”t that difficult. What sort of mediocrity do those 1,000 businesses employ ?”””””””””””””””””

Perhaps wait and see. The ABC is the taxpayer funded branch of the ALP always looking for ways to trash the Coalition.

The ABC actually published the number of people who died after the Coalition made changes to Labors Robodebt scheme

Has the ABC ever published how many people have died due to a policy change made by the ALP in govt?

So what is the problem? Instead of costing $130B Jobkeeper is going to cost $70B. Half the cost estimated. Most govt programs are usually twice the estimated cost.

Perhaps they got eleventy joe back to do the numbers?

It ain”t that difficult. What sort of mediocrity do those 1,000 businesses employ ?

My guess it’s not so much the accountants, but business owners who went in with the $1500 figure implanted in the forefront of their mind, rather than the employee.

It was a stuff up from the beginning, and the size of the recession will dicktate just how much of a stuff up

Guessing they should employ Union staff 😉

Do you really have comprehension problems or are you just a dumb dickhead!

I understand completely. U lefties will not be happy until the govt runs everything and private enterprise is abolished.

And i would have thought Jobkeeper costing $70B instead of $130B of taxpayers money would be regarded as good news. Then the ABC manages to present it as bad news. The ABC should just admit they hate the Coalition

Let me guess. Samuel Clark works for the ABC?

One would hate to imagine what his Google footprint holds reb

“””””””I don’t follow your “logic”.”””””””””””””””

Me neither.

But where the hell are we going to get all this money from to pay for the $70B? Thank goodness it is not $130B

Libraries in Melbourne will reopen on the 1st of June

Who’s going to support all the Kindle users now 😦

Love that last line Splats

(but I doubt it).

I think I have the work/leisure trade off exactly right!
100% leisure, 0% work!

Let me guess… it’s OUR fault when we threaten China, and it’s the fault of the USA when they do it to us.

At least, that’s the reality

The federal government should disconnect Victoria from school-, hospital-, and road-funding

You mean, the same mob who sold one of our ports to the Chinese, lock stock and a smoking comfy job for the boys later?

The ones who are still selling our farms and hospitals to the Chinese, now should get antsy about someone doing infrastructure that the very Government who is selling off our nation has ignored?

Yea, makes sense, if you’re a hypocritical numbnut.

An alligator believed to have been Hitler’s companion, who escaped from a zoo and survived countless WWII bombings, has died.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/alligator-rumoured-to-have-been-hitlers-pet-has-died-in-a-moscow-zoo/news-story/cedb543ba08f8f02246d41009394436f

and the agreement is secret!

IT’S AN OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oops

The Turnbull government has refused to release an agreement it signed with China covering the controversial “Belt and Road Initiative” infrastructure program on the grounds Beijing does not want it made public.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/foreign-affairs-ministry-opts-for-secrecy-over-china-infrastructure-agreement-20180730-p4zufm.html

Well, sometimes ………………. 😉

global scolding movement

Oooh, look, I’ve been SCOLDED ROFL

BACK IN YER TRENCHES PUSSIES!

<i.Does that describe, ToM, or what?

It’s got him down to a tee, hasn’t it lol

Turnbull just tweeted that he didn’t sign up to it.

lol

Trade Minister Steven Ciobo signed the memorandum of understanding last September

lol, he quotes his book ROFL

“I wonder how many of these august institutions offer units on the death of millions Chinese in the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, the hero of Tienanmen Square ….”

What are you talking about Splatter?

10 years ago Mrs Walrus and her sister went on a tour of China without me. Although he was reluctant to talk about it their tour guide at Tienanmen Square assured them that “Tank Man” could be seen every day doing tai chi with his friends around 7am in a local park and lived very happily just around the corner from the Square and had raised a family.

Then he exclaimed “So sorry I cant talk about this more”

So there………………LOL

For some here, it depends on which party the particular government belongs to.

Yes, and when reminded about a certain party selling off a whole port to an entirely owned Chinese entity, you bring up a party that sold a port that had some of its backers in China

Your mirror don’t look too good tosy 😉

Those Chinese are so very generous! They’re going to give us a whole lot of money and expect nothing back! How good is that!!??

Get on board everyone, it can’t last forever!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY2QTgwVcAAP5vH?format=jpg&name=large

Here is Labor once again blowing up coal fired power stations. This time it is Victoria ALP blowing up Hazelwood

What a great Australian

You can see why the libs wanted to be the only cuntry to feed their miserable drivel of a ‘stimulus’ through the greedy hands of employers. The last people they ever want to help is the worker

Never let a crisis go to waste!

They’re not. They are using their inability to count to help unwind the super reforms of decades ago.

It’s interesting to note that Paul Keating has more to do with supporting people today than the current government does

Young Australians comprise the majority of people making early withdrawals from their superannuation, as the COVID-19 crisis sweeps through the economy.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/superannuation/2020/05/25/young-people-super-withdrawal/

Logic is with Clive Palmer in challenging the closure of the WA border (and Queensland)

But emotionally, I say shut the borders permanently! Or at least just have one way traffic, that keeps WA & Queenslanders away from the civilised parts of the country.

From splats link

The protestors who were permitted to be out were obeying social distancing protocols

Then they sure as hell weren’t following their ‘merican compatriots example were they 😉

“…..and someone like my brother (an avid birder) politely asks her to put her dog on the leash.”

What sort of absolute CUNT treats their dog like that ?

PVO is such a smug cunt.

Not that I disagree, but you seem a bit precious there Karen.

“If she is not on a leash she will run out on the road and get killed. Thus when we go out walking she needs to be on a leash.””

I’m not talking about whether the dog is leashed or not. It’s the way she drags the dog around almost at times strangling it.

All dogs should be in harnesses anyway as it much easier to control them without putting any pressure on their neck. And they walk better as well.

Yes, it’s a bad move to give the unions any say in government policy. Particularly a policy that they are interested in.

Yes, it’s a bad move to give the unions any say in government policy.

I think you meant to say it’s a dumb fuck that believes anything the lying sack of shit says

Morrison encouraged employer groups and unions to “put their weapons down” and insisted that the Coalition’s policy “never has been” to weaken trade unions.

One of the first bills reintroduced after Morrison was re-elected was the ensuring integrity legislation, designed to increase powers to deregister unions and disqualify their officials.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/may/26/scott-morrison-walks-away-from-union-busting-integrity-bill

Without Unions, they’f only have the immigrants, unemployed and destitute to go to war with.

For a minute there I thought you were talking about Michaelia Cash.

That’s a horrible association to make with dogs reb, for shame!

Victorians have been fined for breaking coronavirus rules at almost triple the rate of any other state or territory, with almost 6000 people each receiving a $1652 penalty since COVID-19 restrictions were imposed.

Victoria leads the way in-
* Political grandstanding about the work of police
* Lowest IQ for police
* Fattest police
* Most bullying police
* Best attitude of “give me a law and I will impose it more than anyone wants”

Go Victoria! Go Dan!!

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/ahead-on-penalties-victoria-leads-nation-on-covid-19-lockdown-fines-20200527-p54x0d.html