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May 7, 2020

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  1. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2020 1:58 pm

    Quick question, which ex pms gave this predator a written character reference?

    Do we really think that the people at this level didn’t have access to this info?

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 7, 2020 2:08 pm

    Predator ? I think the High Court found against that.

    But… if he was the managing director of a company he would have been prosecuted for negligence, whether he knew of the criminality or not.

  3. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2020 2:41 pm

    I think the High Court found against that.

    I think the High Court found that they didn’t think there was enough evidence ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ that he was a fully fledged pedophile himself, not that he wasn’t.

    But, someone who enables predators is as liable as them. They have allowed someone, with their knowledge, to rape children.

  4. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2020 2:44 pm

    IT’S TIME!

  5. May 7, 2020 4:57 pm

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  6. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2020 5:13 pm

    And you know he’d win it too 😦 (no sarc tag included)

  7. Tom R permalink
    May 7, 2020 5:32 pm

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2020 8:47 am

    Imagine a senior manager in a public school moving around teachers who had complaints made against them … for pedophilia … accessory before and after the fact … jail!

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 8, 2020 12:30 pm

    So despite the Victoria’s ALP government imposing severe restrictions, the main cause of the virus here is in a meat works owned by a long time ALP member, and substantial donor.

  10. May 8, 2020 12:41 pm

    LIBRARIES ARE GOING TO RE-OPEN!!!

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2020 12:45 pm

    Praise the deities!

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2020 12:45 pm

    ToM would politicise the Australia Post mailman/women given the chance …

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 8, 2020 1:05 pm

    Those librarians won’t be happy about having to turn up to a library and let people have actual books. It’s much safer and easier to sit at home and watch daytime tv, while telling anyone that enquires – “it’s deadly to figure out how to provide a service”

  14. May 8, 2020 1:13 pm

    Has it occurred to you that the librarians may not actually be the ones making the decisi…..

    Oh never mind.

  15. Tony permalink
    May 8, 2020 1:20 pm

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 8, 2020 1:43 pm

    Just listening to Dan Andrews, he’s saying -“don’t worry librarians, we won’t be rushing you back to work. There’s plenty of time to watch tv on full pay!”

    Go Victoria! We’ll proudly be the laggards !

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2020 3:02 pm

    Oh never mind.

    I know the feeling … 🙄

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2020 3:11 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/reality-tv/pete-evans-and-channel-7-part-ways-after-tv-chef-was-fined-25000-by-tga/news-story/2881a77a153405e068df9ca49dfea5e1

    Like I say … eventually they catch up …

    Why this wanker got so much media exposure is beyond me!

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 8, 2020 4:22 pm

    People have decided they’re not waiting until Monday for Dan’s announcement. There are dozens out mingling at the beach, families and backpackers having picnics!

    Monday will be an anticlimax for the state government.

  20. Walrus permalink
    May 8, 2020 4:56 pm

    Apparently it’s VE Day……………………….not that it apparently means much today on it’s 75th anniversary.

    But it used to !

    Was it because the Allied troops invaded spreading violence and diseases and displacing all those nice peace loving people called Nazis and almost exterminating them ?

    Hanging on Twitter waiting on the Deputy Chief Medical Officer of Victoria for her thoughts

  21. Walrus permalink
    May 8, 2020 5:11 pm

    “People have decided they’re not waiting until Monday for Dan’s announcement.”

    It was exactly like that in Palm Beach last weekend. People hanging out in groups but still doing the distance thing but obviously friends getting together.

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2020 6:14 pm

    Monday will be an anticlimax for the state government.

    Just hope its not an anti-climax for you … although you may be familiar with them …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Was it because the Allied troops invaded spreading violence and diseases …

    Are you insulting my dad … now? ***

    He was in the RN and I remember him describing their entry into Antwerp (D+ 6 – I think) – when I was old enough – bodies in the harbour oil tanks on fire … and the odd sporadic sniper fire …

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2020 6:16 pm

    Bet you all wish you could say …. QUEENSLANDER!

    Actually I watched Dan Andrews today (not for long) and he does come across as an angry school principal … he may have a cane hidden somewhere …

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2020 6:18 pm

    Apparently it’s VE Day … it actually IS VE Day …

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 8, 2020 7:12 pm

    Unusually I agree with you TB.

    Dan Andrews is in power! And he’ll decide when Victoria’s punishment is sufficient.

  26. Tony permalink
    May 8, 2020 9:43 pm

    Of course you have.🙄

  27. Tony permalink
    May 8, 2020 9:45 pm

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  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 9, 2020 8:38 am

    Who to believe!!

    The ACTU seems to think cutting penalty rates promotes employment.

    But John Setka and the CFMEU thinks Sally McManus is unAustralian and a stooge of McDonalds!

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/john-setka-s-cfmeu-branch-lashes-un-australian-actu-leadership-20200508-p54rak.html

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2020 9:41 am

    Unusually I agree with you TB.

    You should try it more often, ToM 😎

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2020 10:06 am

    ToM, I’ve seen this before and at the time commented re: … it was necessary to “ensure work for as many fast-food employees as possible in a sector hard hit by COVID-19”. … I call BS …

    … on my observations of line-ups at Maccas, Domino’s, KFC … etc … take-away meals is the NEW norm … cutting penalty rates (anywhere) is any business employer group’s dream … from C of C, industry associations to AiG … and LNP governments!

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 9, 2020 10:50 am

    Yeah! Sally McManus just wants to rip off workers, the ACTU is clearly a front for the bosses!

  33. Tony permalink
    May 9, 2020 11:02 am

    Annoying phrase number 54,686: “in terms of”.

  34. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 9, 2020 12:12 pm

    “… he may have a cane hidden somewhere …”

    Spanker Dan!

  35. May 9, 2020 1:25 pm

    Annoying phrase number 54,687: “we’ll get through this together”.

  36. Tony permalink
    May 9, 2020 2:29 pm

    HTF would we “throw it all away”? What a pompous git.

  37. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 9, 2020 2:32 pm

    “we’ll get through this together”.

    Agreed. You won’t hear it from people who have lost their savings or businesses or jobs and have fallen through the safety net or those dealing with the increased incidence of self-harm and abuse.

  38. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 9, 2020 2:42 pm

  39. Tony permalink
    May 9, 2020 2:49 pm

    “Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under the omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” ~ C.S.Lewis

  40. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2020 3:10 pm

    and have fallen through the safety net

    It’s more like a hole than a net

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2020 4:36 pm

    … but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” ~ C.S.Lewis

    And I’m pretty sure C.S. would have been referring to religion at the time … do you have a contextual link, ToSY?

    My old man was a big fan … ex Royal Navy … C.S. wrote about naval war … from his Hornblower series to WW II naval actions … he also wrote The African Queen … Destroyer rings a bell … his stuff is very good … he was an athiest BTW.

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2020 4:39 pm

    So why are all these LNP flunkies so focussed on attacking Andrews in Victoria?

    I had noticed the same phenomenon … chuckle … 😀

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2020 4:45 pm

    Annoying phrase number 54,687: “government spending to be in surplus “

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2020 4:46 pm

    54,688 (maths was never my strong point! 😆 )

  45. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2020 5:05 pm

    I had noticed the same phenomenon

    And then in the next breath, they demand co-operation between parties, after gang banging on one Labor state. Dickwads

    It’s a dog’s breakfast.

    It is, but, that’s pretty much the nature of the beast. Different areas require different solutions at different times. And, from what I can see, each state seems to be doing it pretty much as they should. This was illustrative of the difference between the nature of cases between NSW and Vic.

  46. Tony permalink
    May 9, 2020 5:46 pm

    So why are all these LNP flunkies so focussed on attacking Andrews in Victoria?

    No idea who this person is referring to but has he checked where they live?

    I’m critical of Daniel Andrews because, as a Victorian, what he does directly affects me. I couldn’t GAF what other states or their premiers do.

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2020 6:16 pm

    I couldn’t GAF what other states or their premiers do.

    Then you must realise that Mexico is the second smallest state (Taswegia has 500,000) with the second highest population … ie social distancing is an issue for Mexicans …

    https://www.google.com.au/search?sxsrf=ALeKk00j-9JxxUOJaghFcT9jAYBRi1lzOw%3A1589011779186&source=hp&ei=Q2W2Xq3hCI7Dz7sPuPas8AU&q=australian+states+size+population&oq=australian+states+size+population&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIGCAAQFhAeOgUIABCDAToCCABQx6UFWLvwBWCO9gVoAHAAeACAAd0CiAGxMZIBCTAuMjEuMTEuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjtjo-VqqbpAhWO4XMBHTg7C14Q4dUDCAg&uact=5

    And as demonstrated here – self-discipline … 😉

    Don’t you wish you could say – QUEENSLANDER!

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 9, 2020 6:39 pm

    Dan Andrews seems to enjoy making sure everyone knows he’s in charge, he’ll decide! And restrictions won’t be eased a moment earlier than he says!

    Yesterday he was kind enough to remind everyone that the police would still fine people that didn’t comply, and the police fell into line with his expectations and issued 61 fines.

    Welcome to Victoria!

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 9, 2020 7:42 pm

    Why TB? i don’t appreciate sanctimonious lecturing from any politician. Do you?

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2020 9:22 pm

    Why TB? i don’t appreciate sanctimonious lecturing from any politician. Do you?

    Nah! Especially right wing religious nut jobs … know any?

  51. May 10, 2020 8:58 am

    “i don’t appreciate sanctimonious lecturing from any politician.”

    You don’t seem to mind when it’s emanating from the PM or any of his cronies though.

    Your disdain seems to be solely reserved for those who you dub as “the left.”

    Which simply confirms your bias (as if there was any doubt).

  52. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 10, 2020 9:00 am

    New South Wales – “The Police State”

  53. May 10, 2020 9:09 am

    Wow that’s shocking SB… Is there any background as to what happened?

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2020 9:28 am

    1. I think I’ve been particularly critical of the HUGE government largesse, wouldn’t you agree?
    2. It isn’t the federal government that has forced Victorians to have stricter restrictions, for longer, isn’t that a fact?
    3. The police love heavy handed policing – particularly when it’s just a soft target like a woman or a youth or a child.

  55. May 10, 2020 9:33 am

    “It isn’t the federal government that has forced Victorians to have stricter restrictions, for longer, isn’t that a fact?”

    I just hate how Daniel Andrews keeps trying to save our lives. It’s so paternalistic. He carries on like he’s running the State of Victoria.

    Let us have huge volumes of deaths, Dan. It’s our prerogative.

    You attack Dan Andrews for having stricter controls that the Morrison Govt, and that’s somehow meant to prove you’re not biased…?? 😆 😆

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2020 9:54 am

    Dan’s manual for his restrictions!! It’s amazing how straightforward it is to get obedience!

    “The “wait” command tells dogs people to focus on you, stay where they are and not move forward until you release them. This command is especially helpful to prevent your dog people from bolting out the door…”

    Dan’s in charge!

    https://www.thesprucepets.com/how-to-train-dog-to-wait-1117300

  57. Tony permalink
    May 10, 2020 10:36 am

    I just hate how Daniel Andrews keeps trying to save our lives. It’s so paternalistic.

    Correct.

    I’m betting Chairman Dan will release his changes but by bit so he can front the cameras every day. What would be the point in going full Stage One the first day? That would make him irrelevant for three weeks until Stage Two is due to be announced.

  58. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 10, 2020 10:39 am

    News:

    “After she refused to give officers her details and would not comply with their direction to move on, police arrested the woman; however, she resisted, and a struggle ensued.

    “During the struggle, the 36-year-old woman picked up her young son and continued to argue and resist police.

    “The child was removed from the woman’s hold and she was taken to Surry Hills Police Station, where her identity was established, and she was issued an infringement notice for fail to comply with noticed direction in relation to COVID-19.

    “The child was placed in the care of a relative and the Department of Family and Community Services were notified.”

    From what I could see she initially refused to move on but by the time they arrested her she was walking away. They should have let her. No harm done at that stage.

    The police did not need to do it that way. But I suppose the thugs wanted to make an example out of her and intimidate the rest of us.

  59. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 10, 2020 10:46 am

    If Gladys supports the police I hope she plays a heavy political price. Now that protests are out of the question that is the only way we can send a message.

    BTW, I’m not quite sure what they were protesting about and most likely I wouldn’t agree with it. The point is that the tendency to tyranny lurks close to the surface even in an easy-going place like Australia.

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2020 11:49 am

    Yes, Dan Andrews is so very concerned about saving lives…but an extra 750-1500 people will suicide due to the government imposed recession- about 10 times as many as will die from coronavirus.

    That’s why people have to be able to rebuild their lives sooner rather than later. But Dan prefers later.

    Preliminary modelling by the Brain and Mind Centre suggests the COVID-19 crisis could cause up to 750 extra suicides a year, if the unemployment rate was around 11 per cent.

    But in a worst case scenario, where unemployment were to peak at about 16 per cent, that could double to an additional 1500 additional deaths a year.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-07/national-suicide-register-needed-coronavirus-surge/12208668

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2020 12:25 pm

    And by the way, it would be really helpful if reb and TB again explained why the scale/number of deaths doesn’t make any difference to the tragedy.

  62. May 10, 2020 1:39 pm

    Funny how the slightest little thing sets him off.

  63. May 10, 2020 1:40 pm

    “it would be really helpful if reb and TB again explained why the scale/number of deaths doesn’t make any difference to the tragedy.”

    I’m still waiting for you to explain how it does.

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2020 2:45 pm

    Of course! I now agree with you and TB! But you express it so well. You know an extra 750-1500 suicides due to a government induced recession is not worth worrying about. The scale if that tragedy is meaningless!

    But let’s lock everyone in for a bit longer (and cause a little more emotional and economic hardship) because we’ve had about a tenth of that number due to the coronavirus!

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2020 2:45 pm

    I’m still waiting for you to explain how it does.

    You understood the question????? (Lots of coulds, mights and maybes)

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2020 2:47 pm

    The C-19 Puzzle

    Clue No.176:

    … because we’ve had about a tenth of that number due to the coronavirus!

    Answer: Lockdown

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2020 2:56 pm

    BTW, I’m not quite sure what they were protesting about …

    There is no reason healthy people shouldn’t be allowed to go about their lives. That’s all I’ve got to say about it,” she told Daily Mail.

    Ms Altakrity said while she was against vaccinations, that was not the main reason she was protesting on Saturday.

    A statement issued by NSW police in relation to the woman’s arrest read: “About 2pm yesterday (Saturday 9 May 2020), officers from Sydney City Police Area Command attended Macquarie Street and monitored a group of people who were conducting an unauthorised protest.

    “By 3pm, the group had grown to about 40 people and were not exercising adequate social distancing, so officer soon began speaking with members of the group explaining they were not authorised to protest and were also not complying with current Ministerial Directions under the Public Health Act, with many being issued warnings and move-on directions.

    “About 3.50pm, police again spoke with a woman, in company of a child, who told officers she was ‘exercising’.

    “After she refused to give officers her details and would not comply with their direction to move on, police arrested the woman; however, she resisted, and a struggle ensued.

    “During the struggle, the 36-year-old woman picked up her young son and continued to argue and resist police.

    Wonder if Alaktrity is her real name … she was happy to give her name to the Daily Mail – but not police …

    Play with fire – get burnt!

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2020 3:04 pm

    You know an extra 750-1500 suicides due to a government induced recession is not worth worrying about.

    No-one has said or implied its not to worry about …

    but you want to add to that more C-19 deaths just ’cause you want to open everything up?

    Mmmmmm … imagine Australia as a massive Ruby Princess …

    And don’t use suicides as leverage to achieve you own agenda.

    https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/veterans/national-veteran-suicide-monitoring/contents/summary

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2020 3:29 pm

    More will die from the cure than from the disease. But more deaths doesn’t change the scale of the tragedy.

    And leave the cure in place a little longer, therefore increasing the number of suicides due to the government induced recession.

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2020 4:49 pm

    More will die from the cure than from the disease.

    Link?

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2020 4:55 pm

    Here’s the answer …

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/wellbeing/2020/05/09/religion-deaths-of-despair/

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2020 6:00 pm

    I’ve provided the link to the additional suicides due to the government induced recession.

    An additional 750.to 1500. That’s because people are in despair, and there is no political will to consider that.

    Politicians and media are looking only at the coronavirus stats.

  73. Tony permalink
    May 10, 2020 10:41 pm

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2020 10:59 pm

    Governments need to own ALL the consequences of their decisions-
    * longer restrictions mean a deeper recession
    * a deeper recession means more suicides
    * people are putting up with the lockdown because the government is spending the funds of the next 2 generations- their pension and welfare increases, their options in responding to similar crises

    The advocates of longer restrictions also need to own up to all the consequences.

  75. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2020 12:06 am

  76. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2020 8:32 am

    Now that protests are out of the question that is the only way we can send a message

    Someone should have explained it to those flat earthers blaming Bill Gates for?? yesterday.

    More will die from the cure than from the disease.

    If only our grubmint could supply services to allow people to survive on, instead of kicking an extra million away from support, making thos tring to get it suffer the indignity they have forced on the unemployed for years, and now plannning to scrap it even further.

    a deeper recession means more suicides

    well, especially if you don’t support people

  77. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2020 9:17 am

  78. Tom of Melaboutne permalink
    May 11, 2020 9:23 am

    Yes, more services by the government means a higher deficit, which is spending the taxes, pensions and options for the next generation. It’s great not to have to carry the consequences of all this.

    Just own the complete outcome of the policy you advocate.

  79. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2020 9:38 am

    Just own the complete outcome of the policy you advocate.

    Yes, so when you close down jobs, pull the support you promised out from under people, and then they get depressed and kill themselves, OWN IT!

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2020 9:55 am

    There’s a choice, and it’s no use pretending it doesn’t exist.

    But you and plenty of others choose the boomers path, which is spend now, pay later.

    In this case that means you increase spending and don’t bother to be too careful about how you restrain it. And you look for new reasons to spend.

    Then you pass the debt on to another generation. The next generation therefore have fewer options, they can’t increase their own pensions and welfare and they don’t have similar ability respond to their own health/economic (or even climate) emergencies

    Good work boomer!

  81. May 11, 2020 10:17 am

    “The advocates of longer restrictions also need to own up to all the consequences.”

    You’re sounding (even more) hysterical (than usual).

  82. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2020 10:22 am

    Then you pass the debt on to another generation.

    You mean like Franking Credits? Think for a brief moment before looking too hypocritical

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2020 10:38 am

    Well, excuse me if I provide a rational opinion about the effects of unrestrained government spending.

    I realise it makes the “predictable” a little uncomfortable if they start to think about the consequences of the policies they want.

    Boomers- hooked on credit! Spend now, pay later.

    As for franking credits, it is irresponsible for a political party to advocate significant change to retirement planning without grandfathering or phasing.

  84. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2020 11:08 am

    excuse me if I provide a rational opinion about the effects of unrestrained government spending.

    See, when you “unrestrained”, I envision something cooked into expenditure that isn’t paid for and is ongoing, you know, like Franking Credits

    Something like getting past an emergency, which has an actual end to it, isn’t ‘unrestrained’.

    In fact, much of this cost could be recouped right now if they removed Franking credits, but some boomers are too addicted to heaving their comfortable retirements paid for by the next generation

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2020 11:27 am

    “The advocates of longer restrictions also need to own up to all the consequences.”

    I suppose that works in reverse too …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    To put the JobKeeper payment into perspective … (it was extremely extravagant from the outset – and obviously worked out on the back of an incontinence pad – they were pissin’ in their knickers) … ie $1500 a f/n for an individula is $674 more than the age pension for a couple …

    https://www.google.com.au/search?sxsrf=ALeKk03VEHWAlJUP2F1FXwfWMriuQx5WGA%3A1589160219231&source=hp&ei=G6m4XpPTC9Scmgern7TABg&q=single+age+pension+rate&oq=single+age+poernsion&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMgQIABANMgQIABANMgQIABANMgQIABANMgQIABANMgQIABANMgQIABANMgQIABANMgQIABANMgQIABANOgIIADoFCAAQgwE6BAgAEAo6BggAEBYQHjoFCCEQoAE6BwghEAoQoAE6BAghEBVQzAlY6TFg0T5oAHAAeACAAbgCiAHlHpIBCDAuMTMuNi4xmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2020 11:30 am

    Boomers- hooked on credit! Spend now, pay later.

    What fkn bubble do you live in?

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2020 11:34 am

    Many do not have enough saved for their retirement. Beyond a lack of planning, a key reason Baby Boomers lack retirement savings is due to the 2008 financial crisis, as well as the chronic low interest rates since. The stock market losses of the COVID-19 pandemic are adding to the shortfall.

    FYI this BB has never had compulsory super (I went into business in ’92) and been debt free since 1984 … and paid higher rates of tax than you ever have!

    And yes I believe franking credits, negative gearing are just two of the tax breaks that need to go … but you voted in Sooty from Marketing

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2020 11:53 am

    How much do you think franking credits will raise??? Really?? That’s the deficit panecea?

    No wonder we’re f***ed.

    Go boomer! Just keep wishing there was an easy answer, and defer the consequences of government policies to your kids!

  89. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2020 11:59 am

    From memory, it was around $8 Billion/year Labor were going to save.

    Chicken feed really, isn’t it 😉

  90. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2020 12:29 pm

    Got a link?

    We’ll have a deficit of about 100%+ of GDP soon enough.

    If franking credits (phased) change becomes part of a reform package to pay down the debt, and it has everyone participate/pay, I’ll be entirely happy with it.

  91. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2020 12:41 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/mar/13/labor-to-axe-cash-refunds-for-wealthy-investors-saving-114bn

    We’ll have a deficit of about 100%+ of GDP soon enough.

    Got a link?

  92. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2020 1:06 pm

    “a renewed State of Emergency will be in place until … Sunday 31 May”

    Of course it will, otherwise Prince Daniel of Covidsaviour wouldn’t be allowed to make his Royal Decrees.

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2020 1:31 pm

    Go boomer! Just keep wishing there was an easy answer, and defer the consequences of government policies to your kids!

    Now you’re ranting … you may not have noticed but boomers are no longer in charge!

  94. May 11, 2020 1:56 pm

    Now you’re ranting

    Whaddaya mean “now”… 😆

  95. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2020 1:58 pm

    Dan says

    I’m asking for Victorians to use common sense.

    Hi Dan, may I introduce you to a “Victorian” (that’s the State, not the Epoch)

    “Of course it will, otherwise Prince Daniel of Covidsaviour wouldn’t be allowed to make his Royal Decrees.”

  96. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2020 2:12 pm

    Whaddaya mean “now”

    😆

  97. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2020 3:28 pm

  98. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2020 3:42 pm

    Here I was thinking it was all about going to the footy?

    ffs, does hildy take stoopid pills, or is it all natural?

    I’m going with natural 😉

  99. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 11, 2020 3:42 pm

    This was one of the worst government decisions so far in this crisis. At least the decision has now been reversed.

    Generally I think that we should cut some slack to the decision makers as everyone is learning as we go. When this is all done and we have time to consider the relevant facts and review the different strategies we should be in a much better position for next time.

    However, I don’t understand how passing a regulation that nursing homes could not discriminate against people with the Wu Flu in relation to admissions and re-admissions could strike anyone as a good idea.

    The sane thing to do would be to remove all infected residents from nursing homes and not allow any person who is infected or who has had contact with infected people to enter.

    The fact is that at all times NY had excess ICU beds in the Javits Centre and aboard the hospital ship. There was no need for such a stupid regulation.

  100. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2020 3:46 pm

    and aboard the hospital ship

    Just that alone is quite the statement.

  101. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2020 3:48 pm

    For all the Sam fans here …

  102. May 11, 2020 3:53 pm

    “For all the Sam fans here …”

    https://images.app.goo.gl/GSXiZbGrAtZTPh3N8

  103. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 11, 2020 4:26 pm

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2020 4:52 pm

    Why not NOW? Illogical AND contrived

    Talking about himself?

  105. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 11, 2020 5:46 pm

    Interesting graphs here obviously not to scale but that is not the point. Also the inter-active maps are fun.

  106. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2020 5:57 pm

    Another one for all the Joe fans here …

  107. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2020 6:06 pm

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2020 6:16 pm

    Another one for all the Joe fans here … Yer a funny lad … ay’ll bet thi’ lives in Victoria wi’ other mexicans …

    Joe can bi funni but ‘is quals are a bit rough for manigmint deshision makin’ … altho’ he dus ‘ave more quals than Sooty from Marketing … w’oo has none … apparently … “economic geography” studi’s dunt count …

    Any more “hero’s of the RWNJ” to read about?

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2020 6:19 pm

    Tony permalink
    May 11, 2020 6:06 pm

    ToSY … you do realise that you and yer mate ToM might be looking at the rest of of Australia and sying fucking hell, Andrews was right … heard of a Second Surge lately? See – 90 Minutes …

  110. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2020 6:34 pm

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2020 6:49 pm

    might be looking at the rest of of Australia and sying fucking hell, Andrews was right …

    I’m sure that’s what Dan is hoping!

  112. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2020 6:50 pm

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2020 7:03 pm

    Tony permalink
    May 11, 2020 6:34 pm

    So much for the farce of democracy., ToSY …

    I do hope people are getting the idea that we need to return to TRANSPARENCY of democratic government that we BOOMERS experienced … in the 60’s 70’s & 80’s … and shaped our country …

    For the edification of you and ToM … it’s right wing governments that have abused democracy and the separation of Government (parliament, executive – ie the Royal boofheads half a world away in the UK), Judiciary and (why? In a secular country) Religion …

    I have no sympathy for the frustration you demonstrate here daily … I’ve experienced the obfuscation of governments after Hawke/Keating – probably the most productive and progressive government this country has ever seen … and the way its going I’ll ever see in my lifetime …

    (and before that the suffocating nonsense of Menzies’ sycophantic following of both the USA (Vietnam War – parodied in the 21st Century by Sooty from Marketing with Trump! and the UK Menzies “love” affair with royalty parodied by Abbott with his silly knightood to a Prince)

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2020 7:04 pm

    ToSY ……… do you actually live in China?

  115. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2020 7:29 pm

    Same.

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2020 7:41 pm

    I read TB’s wide ranging comment… and my reaction is- I need another red, maybe then I’ll understand it.

  117. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2020 8:54 pm

    California Assemblywoman on Tesla’s (threatened?) move to Texas.

  118. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2020 9:01 pm

    Victoria Premier Daniel Andrews is slammed for having no plan on schools, keeping cafes shut and allowing family visits just AFTER Mother’s Day

    Daniel Andrews is facing intense criticism for failing to relax coronavirus restrictions quickly enough.

    The Victoria premier today announced gatherings of up to 10 people, including AFL training, could take place from Wednesday – but he ruled cafes and restaurants must stay shut until June and did not say when pupils could return to school.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8306511/Victoria-Premier-Daniel-Andrews-slammed-coronavirus-rules.html

  119. Tom R permalink
    May 11, 2020 9:20 pm

    In breaking news, murdochs shit rag is still shit ragging on a Labor leader

    YAAAWN

  120. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2020 9:53 pm

    In breaking news, murdochs shit rag is still shit ragging on a Labor leader

    Daily Mail isn’t a Murdoch paper. But facts aren’t really your strong suit.🙄

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2020 10:39 pm

    😆

  122. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2020 8:31 am

    Daily Mail isn’t a Murdoch paper.

    It’s a fair cop. Hard to tell these days, as they are pretty much all shit sheets

  123. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 12, 2020 8:37 am

    Been reading the debate on here with interest. If I was a government that was being criticised for not opening up the place fast enough I would be making sure that any deaths from corona virus as a result of being pressured to open up faster and those putting the pressure on, that the relatives of those that succumed to the virus once the opening up started would receive assistance to sue the arse off the agitators for opening up the economy. Afterall FOX removed some of Donald Trumps ardent supporters from their programming schedules, for fear of being sued as a result of their lies and conspiracy cures.

    My own conspiracy theory. Alan Jones retires as station cannot afford the liability insurance to cover his increasingly outrageous comments and agitation to civil disobedience.

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2020 8:50 am

    Alan Jones has announced his retirement from radio.

    Oh, Please, Be True!

    G’day Shane … nice to see your face here again … 😐

  125. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2020 9:27 am

    If I was a government that was being criticised … I would be making sure that … the relatives would receive assistance to sue the arse off the agitators

    Riiiight. So governments should silence debate by financing lawsuits against government critics.

    Did you actually think this through? Because that’s not how democracy works.

  126. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 12, 2020 9:32 am

    G’day Shane … nice to see your face here again … 😐”

    True that. (I just thought I would clarify that before I get triggered and start ranting 🙂 )

    Clearly, Australia has handled the crisis fairly well by going in hard. The question is what is the optimal path back to normal? I think we can watch and learn from what other places do and see what works and what doesn’t. No need to rush.

    My wife went back to work yesterday to a ladies clothing store and said she felt very vulnerable, not so much at the counter but when showing garments to customers who, probably inadvertently, kept getting up close to see and touch them. Both she and her customers are in the over 65 demographic.

  127. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 12, 2020 9:43 am

    One of Alan’s greatest hits. This one never gets old:

  128. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2020 10:04 am

    So governments should silence debate by financing lawsuits against government critics.

    Is now a good time to mention Pink Batts?

  129. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2020 10:15 am

    Is now a good time to mention Pink Batts?>/i>

    Please do.

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2020 10:18 am

    Because that’s not how democracy works.

    What’s your version … ?

  131. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2020 10:28 am

    My view on democracy is pretty much the same as this:

    In a speech in the House of Commons on 11 November 1947, Winston Churchill said:

    “No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.”

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2020 10:30 am

    I think we can watch and learn from what other places do and see what works and what doesn’t … she felt very vulnerable.

    I agree with the first sentence and empathise with the second …

    I always told my kids (both generations) many people learn by their mistakes … however, much better to learn from other people’s mistakes.

    eg For well over a decade now I have been very careful about hand rails – any hand rails … never use ’em even on escalators and travelators … probably came from traveling half a million kliks on planes … I too feel “vulnerable” in shops … because of the dills I come across who obviously didn’t learn how to measure distance at school … and I have avoided crowds since an incident in PNG when we had to literally drive through a riot … after visiting a supermarket in Port Moresby. Ah, what a wonderful world …

  133. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2020 10:34 am

    I’ll just leave this here since nobody seems to have mentioned it.

    Queensland’s Deputy Premier and Treasurer has announced she is standing aside from her ministerial duties during an investigation launched by the state’s corruption watchdog.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-09/jackie-trad-queensland-treasurer-corruption-investigation/12231356

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2020 10:35 am

    My view on democracy is pretty much the same as this:

    Mmmm … Churchill … ah well … each to his own … I did ask what your version is … not Churchill’s perspective … not someone I would respect BTW … read some military history concerning WWII, Churchill and the Australian Government/Army …

    And there was a good reason Churchill was not re-elected after WWII …

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2020 10:37 am

    I’ll just leave this here since nobody seems to have mentioned it.

    Been in the news for a few days now … she’s just another get rich quick dickwit in politics … good riddance …

  136. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2020 10:43 am

    This is without mentioning cash, talyor or even the pm not standing down. ( since nobody seems to have mentioned it.)

  137. Back`In`Black`Teabag permalink
    May 12, 2020 10:45 am

    lts been quite funny seeing my comments broadcast daily continually on the networks. Just how funny is it that the homeland potatoe has our goblins in lockdown after feverishly scibbling away so many of our rights. As we head toward our 1929ish future the silver lining will be LockDown Two point Zero.

  138. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2020 10:45 am

    Schools in Victoria have just become safe again, but, in typical illogical style, Andrews delays the (staged) restart for another two weeks.

  139. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2020 10:51 am

    Hi Shane- when you say- the relatives of those that succumed to the virus once the opening up started would receive assistance to sue the arse off the agitators for opening up the economy

    On exactly the same basis the loved ones of those that suicide due to the government induced recession could sue. After all, the government deliberately chose to impose a recession, with the knowledge that it would cause high unemployment.

    All these decisions have a serious downside.

  140. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2020 10:53 am

    One way to improve our democracy would be to make it much more difficult to declare, then extend, states of emergency. For example, joint sittings of both houses of respective parliaments.

  141. Back`In`Black`Teabag permalink
    May 12, 2020 10:54 am

    Winter is coming .. so prepare your phireEngines.

    Yes`osy. l also loved the private schools bleating to the telcos they had the latest and greatest gear to do video classrooms during superbug, but the students could not receive it coz of the dud wireCo network. Own Goals are always spectacular.

  142. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2020 10:58 am

    Here’s his ‘reasoning’.

  143. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2020 11:28 am

    Schools in Victoria have just become safe again

    You read bad

    On exactly the same basis the loved ones of those that suicide due to the government induced recession could sue.

    On the basis that the government created a recessionary situation, and then withdrew the promised stimulus to alleviate it

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2020 11:43 am

    One of Alan’s greatest hits. This one never gets old:

    sb, I’ve never seen that before … however … the “cameraman” holding the sign is a mate of mine! We met in ’89 when I came back from PNG – I needed a couple of training videos produced that I’d scripted for a govt funded project – he was a Ch 9 Producer/Director … he’s in Canberra now with UP … as for KAK she grew up in the same village as The Minister and me … used to come to the RSL where I sang … The Minister got a bit miffed with her one night? (Too long a story)

    Ah, the wonderful world we live in …

  145. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 12, 2020 12:04 pm

    Interesting blast from the past, TB.

  146. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2020 12:04 pm

    You read bad

    Really?

    following advice from Victoria’s Chief Health Officer that it is safe for the community to do so

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2020 12:27 pm

    Ten times as many deaths from the remedy/solution as the disease.

  148. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2020 12:33 pm

    Why did you cut out the first half of the sentence tosy?

  149. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2020 12:34 pm

    Ten times as many deaths from the remedy/solution as the disease.

    Link?

  150. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2020 12:46 pm

    Why did you cut out the first half of the sentence tosy?

    Jeezus. Because I couldn’t copy and paste it so had to type it out. The first half doesn’t make any difference to the context.

  151. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2020 12:59 pm

    Jim Chalmers in Parliament now pointing out some flaws in the jobkeeper and super-access schemes. Good. That’s where these things should have been worked out, not unilaterally rushed through under a self-declared state of emergency.

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2020 1:12 pm

    Ten times as many deaths from the remedy/solution as the disease.

    Gotta link?

    I think you’re confusing the real world with the might, could be, world … I think its referred to as illusory?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

  153. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2020 1:23 pm

    The Attorney General is introducing a bill to change the Privacy Act 1988 in relation to the Covid Safe app. Again, entirely appropriate that these things are debated in Parliament.

    I’m extremely uncomfortable about the ease with which orders and rules – they are not laws – are able to be made under states of emergency. I’m also flabbergasted that a seeming majority of people just go along with them and do what they’re told without questioning the need for them or the process by which they were made.

  154. May 12, 2020 1:23 pm

    “Alan Jones has resigned”

    Now who what will his ‘butler’ do…?

  155. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2020 1:24 pm

    “Victorian government school students will begin a phased return to classrooms before the end of May, “ following advice from Victoria’s Chief Health Officer that it is safe for the community to do so

    It supplies the context that the advice is for a phased return before the end of May as it is becoming safe to do so, not that they “have just become safe again”

    Like I said tosy, you read bad

    OR, yor trying to lie to us?

  156. May 12, 2020 1:30 pm

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  157. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2020 1:30 pm

    Now who what will his ‘butler’ do…?

    I, for one, don’t really GAF!

    (Like so many other things recently – I must be maturing) 😆

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2020 1:31 pm

    Does that still frame refer to Trump? I do hope so …

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2020 1:35 pm

    According to one of Baba Vanga’s prophecies, the 45th President of the United States will succumb to an unknown disease at some point in the near future.

  160. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2020 1:36 pm

    OR, yor trying to lie to us?

    FFS, I posted the whole letter above for everyone to see. It would be a bit silly to then lie to “us” about what it says. (The document does not permit copy and paste.)

    It’s your comprehension that needs work, not mine.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2020/05/07/it-was-a-sad-story-and-not-of-much-interest-to-me/#comment-172151

  161. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2020 2:04 pm

  162. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2020 2:18 pm

    It’s your comprehension that needs work, not mine.

    Yea, cos ‘phase in at the end of the month” means NOW right 😉

  163. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2020 3:18 pm

    Yes, about 10 times as many additional deaths due to government induced recession as due to coronavirus.

    *Increase of 50%
    *750 to 1500 additional suicides

    But they’re not scrutinised the way coronavirus stats are, so they’re not politically sensitive.

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-s-suicide-rate-could-surge-due-to-economic-fallout-of-coronavirus

  164. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2020 3:27 pm

    What part about ‘could’ did you miss yomm

    Yet you ignore the current suicides because of government policy like robodebt

  165. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 12, 2020 3:33 pm

    An interesting question:

  166. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2020 3:47 pm

    An interesting answer

    https://www.thelocal.com/20200511/covid-19-is-officially-feminine-say-french-language-guardians

    The French language is just weird …… to me 🙂

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2020 3:57 pm

    “could”… It’s between 750 and 1500. That’s the “could” context.

    And it’s based on modelling by experts, and you’re certainly one who uses modelling by experts as evidence to support your own views

  168. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2020 4:10 pm

    could result in an extra 750 to 1,500 suicides a year

    What part of the word “could” is difficult to understand. 750 is not the lowest possible, but it is a low one that ‘could’ happen

    OR

    The government might turn from being asshats, support people in need, and the number “could” be 0

    Or, they “will” continue to be asshats, and drive more to suicide, as they already have done, thanks very much robodebt

  169. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2020 4:30 pm

    This is all it takes to extend a state of ‘emergency’.

    And they’ll keep extending it as long as Andrews can say “This is not over. The virus is still here. The last thing we want is to give back all the gains we’ve worked so hard for.” For the rest of the year, probably. Notice also that Dan didn’t put his name to it but gave the job to the Health Minister. As if she could or would do this – other than under Dear Leader’s express instructions

    Click to access extension-of-declaration-of-state-of-emergency-signed-2020-05-11.pdf

  170. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2020 4:43 pm

    So…the government induces a (bipartisan) recession. Yet you think that’s without consequences to mental health and additional suicides.

    It’s forecast by experts, but you don’t like their expert advice and modelling.

    “Arguing with the science”
    ————–

    Initially those that wanted more targeted restrictions were told they were “putting the economy/business interests ahead of people’s lives”. The “predictable” usually ignore that there are significant mental health issues associated with a poor economy, some of those issues are fatal. Experts are pointing this out.

    But the “predictable” just want to argue with the science.

    This is a recession due to bipartisan policy, and people will die as a result.

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2020 4:46 pm

    For the rest of the year, probably.

    Now you’re starting to sound like, ToM

  172. May 12, 2020 4:50 pm

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  173. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2020 4:54 pm

    Yet you think that’s without consequences to mental health and additional suicides.

    There you go again … no-one has even said/thought that … you wrote it …

    It’s forecast by experts

    Its a forecast and so is the “forecast” that more C-19 deaths will occur if we follow your “desires” …

    “Experts” (from two different perspectives) are between a rock and a hard place …

    Choice more C-19 deaths or more suicides … the odds of more C-19 deaths appear to be higher … BTW, (not to be trite) but suicides are not catching, not a virus, possible suicides are not always saved but with WARNINGS may be …

    And just in case …

    https://www.google.com.au/search?sxsrf=ALeKk02svlf66p4xuhWUtxGUDh_XPLVc7Q%3A1589266384367&ei=0Ee6XvL6Fcbbz7sPxum-qAQ&q=suicide+help&oq=suicide+help&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQDDICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCABQzIsBWOuXAWCUuwFoAHAAeACAAdUCiAHZBZIBBzAuMi4wLjGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjyoqzS3q3pAhXG7XMBHca0D0UQ4dUDCAs

  174. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2020 5:14 pm

    Now you’re starting to sound like, ToM

    I don’t know what you mean by that. But correct me if I’m wrong, it sounds like you don’t think Daniel Andrews would keep the state of emergency for the rest of the year.

    I’ve been listening to his press conferences and have heard him use that exact terminology, such as “some of these measures will need to be in place for at least until the rest of the year”. He’s going to want to hold on to his “emergency” powers so he doesn’t have to put the measures through the pesky parliament.

    We shall see.

  175. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2020 5:17 pm

    Yet you think that’s without consequences to mental health and additional suicides.

    you read bad.

    Best wishes to josh, hope this brings it close to home for him

    What’s the morrisons kids are back home tomorrow 😉

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2020 5:17 pm

    A friend sent this to me this morning but I’ve only just opened his email …

    Maybe we don’t have it that bad.

    It’s a mess out there now. Hard to discern between what’s a real threat and what is just simple panic and hysteria. For a small amount of perspective at this moment, imagine you were born in 1900.

    On your 14th birthday, World War I starts and ends on your 18th birthday. 22 million people perish in that war. Later in the year, a Spanish Flu epidemic hits the planet and runs until your 20th birthday. 50 million people die from it in those two years. Yes, 50 million.

    On your 29th birthday, the Great Depression begins. Unemployment hits 25%, the World GDP drops 27%. That runs until you are 33. The country nearly collapses along with the world economy.

    When you turn 39, World War II starts. You aren’t even over the hill yet. And don’t try to catch your breath. On your 41st birthday, the United States is fully pulled into WWII. Between your 39th and 45th birthday, 75 million people perish in the war.

    Smallpox was epidemic until you were in your 40’s, as it killed 300 million people during your lifetime.

    At 50, the Korean War starts. 5 million perish. From your birth, until you are 55 you dealt with the fear of Polio epidemics each summer. You experience friends and family contracting polio and being paralyzed and/or die.

    At 55 the Vietnam War begins and doesn’t end for 20 years. 4 million people perish in that conflict. During the Cold War, you lived each day with the fear of nuclear annihilation. On your 62nd birthday, you have the Cuban Missile Crisis, a tipping point in the Cold War. Life on our planet, as we know it, almost ended. When you turn 75, the Vietnam War finally ends.

    Think of everyone on the planet born in 1900. How did they endure all of that? When you were a kid in 1985 and didn’t think your 85-year-old grandparent understood how hard school was. And how mean that kid in your class was. Yet they survived through everything listed above. Perspective is an amazing art. Refined and enlightening as time goes on. Let’s try and keep things in perspective.

    Your parents and/or grandparents were called to endure all of the above – you are called to stay home and sit on your couch!!

  177. Tom R permalink
    May 12, 2020 5:24 pm

    Harsh history lesson TB

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2020 6:14 pm

    Sometimes its needed, TR

    A similar history followed BBs, wars and cold wars and family members in the military, medical scares, I remember the smallpox outbreak and friends who contracted polio – one died – 10yo … at seven I contracted measles, german measles, whooping cough, mumps and chickenpox all in the same year … decades later (a couple of years a go) I suffered shingles in my groin … from the chickenpox virus that lay dormant in my spine … had real trouble walking (in the house) for two weeks!

    Whinging doesn’t get it done …

  179. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2020 6:18 pm

    … it sounds like you don’t think Daniel Andrews would keep the state of emergency for the rest of the year.

    ToSY, like you I wouldn’t fkn know? You’re surmising … that’s what ToM does … get it?

  180. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2020 6:18 pm

    Shorter version of TB- “You’ve never had it so good”

    TB channels Harold McMillan and John Howard

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2020 6:27 pm

    Shorter version of TB- “You’ve never had it so good” (Doing my thinking for me – still)

    TB channels Harold McMillan and John Howard

    WTF … HM AND JH … why would I even think like either of those fkn RWDWs! Little* alone “channel” ’em!

    You really are suffering! Its not my fault there is a DEADLY virus on your doorstep and you can’t see it …

    Do you think people enjoy what’s happening?

    FYI We’ll be seeing our friends tomorrow – the first time since we all put ourselves into isolation when we returned from Tasmania – 22 March

  182. Tony permalink
    May 12, 2020 9:41 pm

    This could also apply equally to Australia.

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2020 8:54 am

    I’ve long believed China Towns around the world are not just sources of Chinese food … and I’ve also claimed that there is a Covert Chinese Commercial Invasion underway … sounds far-fetched and like a conspiracy theory I know … but put this together with these two new stories …

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/coronavirus-trade-war-fears-as-australiachina-relations-sour/news-story/fba10cbbf5d4e3ffbf8a87a418dcce55

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/buying/chinese-buyers-flooding-back-in-to-snap-up-aussie-property-as-prices-fall-due-to-covid19-crisis/news-story/c4c4d60d43ec8f52c404dd703d9a8dd3

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2020 8:56 am

    This could also apply equally to Australia.

    Pretty much every Western democracy – depends which side of politics you’re on …

    You could try smashing your TV …

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/may/13/why-are-australians-smashing-their-tvs-and-what-does-it-have-to-do-with-5g-and-coronavirus

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2020 9:15 am

    Shorter version of TB- “You’ve never had it so good”

    That’s probably true …

    https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/afghan-attack-babies-killed-as-gunmen-storm-maternity-ward/news-story/33b74a8bb6a477ee3f9f1b42e7d37408

  186. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2020 11:13 am

    I dunno. Maybe it’s something to do with Florida having a subtropical to tropical climate.

  187. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2020 11:16 am

    It is called.the Sunshine State, after all.

  188. Tom R permalink
    May 13, 2020 11:45 am

    Another is that DeSantis’s response to the crisis has been so thoroughly politicized

    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Wait! What?

  189. Shane in QLD permalink
    May 13, 2020 12:31 pm

    TB

    Just an update for you !!

    “Earlier this week, the Australian Financial Complaints Authority (AFCA) published data for the six months to December 2019, which found that the number of mortgage-related complaints rose by 20 per cent when compared to the average monthly figure in the previous reporting period.

    Despite this, brokers only represented 15 of the 2,201 progressed home loan complaints made by consumers.

    This equated to 0.68 per cent of all complaints made in relation to home loans in the six months to December 2019, down from 0.74 per cent in the previous reporting period.”

    Heading towards 0.05% of complaints yet we are still the ones being fucked and crucified. I see our industry folding over the next 2 years while the big 4 will once again control the financial industry and have borrowers by the throat. What a total disaster the RC was, being chaired by a biased commission that made massive rulings against brokers while the cases revealed during the RC were all by Banks and not brokers

  190. Tom R permalink
    May 13, 2020 3:39 pm

    Seems we has ourselves a fully fledged Dicktatorship

  191. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2020 4:26 pm

    Seems we has ourselves a fully fledged Dicktatorship

    No shit, Sherlock. That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you people. Normal parliamentary – and cabinet, it seems – processes are tossed out the moment a state of emergency is declared. The prime minister and state premiers do effectively become dictators.

    Good on Christina Keneally for digging into this. It might wake up a few sleep-walking sheeple.

  192. May 13, 2020 5:17 pm

    “No shit, Sherlock. That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you people.”

    “you people.”

  193. Tom R permalink
    May 13, 2020 5:48 pm

    That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you people.

    “You People” have heard a lot about a certain State Premier, but no much about the real Dicktator, who, in true Dicktator style, just keeps blaming things on his patsy, and “some people” play along merrily.

  194. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 13, 2020 6:03 pm

    “In the Covid Senate Committee, I asked the head of Prime Minister & Cabinet- the PM’s right hand man in the Public Service- does the Cabinet of the Federal Government have to endorse the decisions of National Cabinet?”

    What does the question even mean?

    Surely no state or federal government has to endorse recommendations of what is effectively an advisory body with no constitutional or legal authority and whose role is to get people on the same page while recognising different states and territories might implement different strategies at different times.

  195. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2020 6:07 pm

    “you people.”

    I’m sorry? Are “you” not “people”? 👀

  196. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2020 6:34 pm

    “You People” have heard a lot about a certain State Premier, but no much about the real Dicktator

    The “real” dictator in name only. He chairs the national cabinet meetings, then all the actual dictators go back and make their own rules and orders. Morrison has discovered that federalism makes him impotent while states and territories have declared their own emergency powers.

  197. Tom R permalink
    May 14, 2020 9:54 am

    I get the feeling that workers, who thought they had it bad leading in to Covid19, haven’t seen anything yet

  198. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2020 10:38 am

    The debate is over as soon as it starts with – “Wayne Swan says…”

    Now let me see…😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  199. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2020 11:06 am

  200. Tom R permalink
    May 14, 2020 11:52 am

    The debate is over as soon as it starts with – “Wayne Swan says…”

    I know right, I mean, would listen to someone who save d Australia from certain recession, and who got the title “World’s Greatest Treasurer”. What would someone like htat know about keeping people in jobs? oh. right.

    As opposed to a young girl who has traveled the world and mixed and spoken with dozens of experts in their fields who publicly support her activism, and successfully organised worldwide rallies in support of her chosen cause.

    Better we cross to a convicted racist and supporter of proven pedophile defenders who dropped out of University to explain complex scientific matters to us 😉

  201. Tom R permalink
    May 14, 2020 12:04 pm

    I see we are being told the unemployment isn’t as bad as anticipated.

    Why would that be I wonder?

    Now a quick point – the jobkeeper payment has complicated the unemployment rate quite a bit – masking the true story, if it were.

    The ABS has changed its definitions.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/14/australia-coronavirus-live-updates-nsw-victoria-qld-lockdown-politics-latest-news-update?page=with:block-5ebca1bf8f080c727453a861#block-5ebca1bf8f080c727453a861

  202. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2020 12:21 pm

    A treasurer who-
    * Designed a stimulus package to prevent unemployment reaching 10%+ ( forecasting it to be 8%) when it was never going near either
    * Maintained stimulus and spending even when the evidence showed it was no longer necessary
    * Didn’t understand the impact of China’s growth in supporting Australia’s
    * Had fiscal and monetary policy pulling in opposite directions
    * Endless surpluses

    Those were the days!

  203. Tom R permalink
    May 14, 2020 12:26 pm

    Maintained stimulus and spending even when the evidence showed it was no longer necessary

    Link

    Actually, I could ask for a link for all of that spiel

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2020 12:56 pm

    Pointless exercise, TR, again …

  205. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2020 1:34 pm

    Do some of your own research. Swan continued with stimulus spending (to encourage economic activity) at the very time the Reserve Bank was raising interest rates to take the edge off economic activity!

    That is exceptionally inefficient

  206. Tom R permalink
    May 14, 2020 2:11 pm

    I did do my own research, if you can recall 😉

    ” The main prop for the economy in the first quarter was the government’s national school’s spending program, which added 0.9 percentage points to GDP. Consumer demand held up, despite the impact of aggressive interest rate hikes by the Reserve Bank of Australia. ”
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/markets/mining-sector-investment-to-speed-up-recovery-from-slowdown/story-e6frg926-1225874550046

  207. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2020 2:23 pm

    Well that’s nice. You think it’s efficient for monetary and fiscal policy to pull in opposite directions.

    That’s probably a common view among “the predictable”

  208. Tom R permalink
    May 14, 2020 2:30 pm

    You think it’s efficient for monetary and fiscal policy to pull in opposite directions.

    I don’t think anybody would claim that responding to an emergency is ‘efficient’, except that, in the long run, it saves jobs and money.

    Do you think it is ‘efficient’ to abruptly re-classify unemployment figures so your unemployment figures don’t look so bad?

    Seems we need to add dutton to the list of people lying in parliament, without any penalty applied

  209. Tom R permalink
    May 14, 2020 2:57 pm

    Apologies for the long post, but this spells out how much we are being lied to about hte real depth of job losses

    Jim Stanford, the director of the Australia Institute’s Centre for Future Work, has crunched the numbers on what is left out of the 6.2% unemployment figure.
    He said:

    “Official unemployment increased by just 105,000 people. However, 500,000 people lost work but ‘left’ the labour force. To be included in the labour force, you must be available for work and ‘actively seeking it.’ For many, there was no point seeking work in April (or actually impossible to do so.) So, we should count them in actual unemployed too.
    Then there’s another 750,000 Australians who were ‘employed’ but didn’t work a single hour. Jobkeeper helps on that score: the goal of the program is to maintain attachment between workers and employers, even if there’s no work. Include them and suddenly unemployment is now 2.1 million — not the official 823,000. That’s an unemployment rate equal to 15% of the adjusted labour force.
    However, to get a true picture of unemployment, we also need to account for the big drop in hours of those who did work. Average monthly hours for those still employed fell by 7 hours per worker for the month of April, or by 5%. That’s the loss of another 600,000 full time equivalent positions. That takes genuine unemployment to almost 20%.
    Anyone claiming unemployment was ‘not as bad as expected’, has not worked through how the misleading ‘6.2% unemployment rate’ is constructed. A more meaningful number is 20%.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/14/australia-coronavirus-live-updates-nsw-victoria-qld-lockdown-politics-latest-news-update?page=with:block-5ebcce938f08d99d46a1696b#block-5ebcce938f08d99d46a1696b

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2020 3:15 pm

    Is this Mexicana or wot?

    First we had “you people” … now we have “the predictable” …

    … just figured it out, It refers to – “anyone who disagrees with me” …

  211. May 14, 2020 3:38 pm

    “That’s probably a common view among “the predictable”

    The only thing that’s “predictable” is the fatuity of your inane rants.

  212. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2020 3:40 pm

    Another sickening hypocritical mongrel:

    New Jersey Health Secretary Dr. Rachel ­Levine forced infected patients into nursing homes, told everyone it was perfectly safe and then moved her own mother out of her nursing home.

    No wonder the vast majority of deaths in NJ were in nursing homes.

    I try to cut administrators some slack but the idea of keeping infected patients in nursing homes seems vile. Why would they do it? If we know one thing it is that frail elderly people are the highest risk category.

  213. May 14, 2020 3:43 pm

    “If we know one thing it is that frail elderly people are the highest risk category.”

    I know.

    I worry about YoM.

  214. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2020 4:12 pm

    First we had “you people” …

    Oh no! How could anyone say such an outrageous thing to you … what’s the word I’m looking for here … people.

  215. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2020 4:30 pm

    Professor Officer said the “bubble” of wage growth and job security within the public sector – at a time when private sector employees are facing job losses and salary reductions – had created an “inherent bias” within government towards keeping the economy locked down.

  216. Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2020 4:46 pm

    From TomR’s link

    “The ABS has changed its definitions.

    So people paid through the jobkeeper wage subsidy are classified as employed, even if they are not working.

    Why is that an issue?”

    Actually it’s not an issue………..

    ABS

    “Unemployment.

    Unemployed persons are defined as

    * all persons aged 15 years and over who were not employed during the reference week,

    and:

    * had actively looked for full-time or part-time work at any time in the four weeks up to the end of the reference week,

    and

    * were available for work in the reference week,

    or

    * were waiting to start a new job within four weeks from the end of the reference week,

    and

    * could have started in the reference week if the job had been available then.”

    So nothing has changed dopey

  217. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2020 5:20 pm

    I for one welcome our new overlords:

  218. Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2020 5:23 pm

    This is an interesting tweet as well

  219. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2020 5:23 pm

    I suppose Comrade Dan thinks his fellow commies will go easier on Victoria now he is in bed with them.

  220. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2020 5:23 pm

    Predictable replies. The “predictable” object to being know as “predictable” and “left” and “people”

    I’ll stop using those terms and use LWNJs. They couldn’t possibly to that.

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2020 5:58 pm

    fatuity Had to look that one up, reb!

    He’s at it again … They couldn’t possibly to that. Whose “they” and then … what couldn’t they?????

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    China urges France to adhere to the one-China principle and cancel its plan to sell weapons to the island of Taiwan, and avoid damaging China-France relations: FM spokesperson Zhao Lijian

    China prepping for war with the West? Or has the Central Government simply gone mad?

  222. Tom R permalink
    May 14, 2020 6:00 pm

    So nothing has changed

    Except of course, that these people haven’t worked.

    Minor detail, to be sure 😉

  223. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2020 6:03 pm

    So people paid through the jobkeeper wage subsidy are classified as employed, even if they are not working.

    Just as silly as most “unemployment” classifications … “The ABS defines people as ’employed’ if they work one hour or more in the reference week. The vast majority of part-time employed people work more than 15 hours.”

    Eight hours work, eight hours play, eight hours rest … its not really that hard …

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2020 6:05 pm

    Except of course, that these people haven’t worked.

    And contributed to the GDP, productivity BUT they have contributed to the economy … oh, wait!

    “Lies, more lies and damned statistics”

    Ya, can’t fool me Mrs. Brown!

  225. May 14, 2020 6:09 pm

    “They couldn’t possibly to that.”

    We should spare a thought for YoM given that he’s now entering his dotage.

  226. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2020 6:12 pm

    Well, it looks Victoria will be spared when the invasion happens, what with all the belts and roads we’ve assembled at our border.

  227. May 14, 2020 6:14 pm

    “This is an interesting tweet as well”

    It is Walrus.

    Dog help us if we’re forced to make a decision between the Tangerine Nutjob or the Chinese dictators..

    How TF did we end up here….??

  228. Tom R permalink
    May 14, 2020 6:17 pm

    And contributed to the GDP, productivity

    There’s also that little issue about the ABS changing the way they measure unemployed to cater for JobKeeper

  229. May 14, 2020 6:26 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  230. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2020 6:55 pm

    TB-Whose “they” and then … what couldn’t they?????

    I think you mean “Who’s” but that would be incorrect too! You probably mean “who’re” or “who are”

  231. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2020 8:01 pm

    This is big news for anyone who knows anything about F1.

  232. Tony permalink
    May 15, 2020 4:26 am

  233. May 15, 2020 8:46 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  234. May 15, 2020 8:47 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  235. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2020 9:09 am

    I think you mean “Who’s” but that would be incorrect too! You probably mean “who’re” or “who are”

    At least you can understand what I’m saying … we still have no idea what you are warbling about. 😎

  236. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2020 9:10 am

    We really should be more like merica, ingland and Sweden shouldn’t we.

    A pile of bodies, but people still working (those that are not dead, anyway)

    I’m not sure these people think

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2020 9:12 am

    He’s a wreck my friends. He must be removed …

    Eventually they catch up …

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2020 9:14 am

    I’m not sure these people think

    TR! Now you’re doing it! I think you meant – “these fuckwits”?

  239. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2020 9:16 am

    In the link from rebs New Daily link, Julia Gillard shows how it SHOULD have been done

    “Having said that, I do think that, as rational human beings, we can also say to ourselves that whether a problem originates in Sydney, in China, in Portugal, in Brazil, in the United Kingdom, in any country on earth — wherever a problem originates that’s got a possibility of having a profound impact on human health around the planet, then of course it needs to be studied, it needs to be understood.

    “Not so that fingers can be pointed, but so that lessons can be learned.”

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/05/15/coronavirus-julia-gillard-china/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020200515

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2020 9:22 am

    Even the RBA catches up – eventually …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/may/15/australias-reserve-bank-fuels-call-for-post-pandemic-renewables-push

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “Not so that fingers can be pointed, but so that lessons can be learned.”

    Oddly enough always a problem with workplace accident investigations … the purpose is prevention not accusation … but people always duck for cover with finger pointed!

  241. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2020 10:26 am

    the purpose is prevention not accusation

    Yes, but some babies need someone to blame for their own stuff ups

  242. May 15, 2020 10:44 am

    So, Scott Morrison, Peter Dutton and Marise Payne, how is that whole ‘demanding an investigation into China’ thing working out for you…?

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  243. Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2020 10:44 am

    “Except of course, that these people haven’t worked.”

    There is no way to tell unless you are advocating we track them via the App…… Mein Fuhrer.

    I know of plenty of my clients who are receiving Job Keeper but have their employees at the workplace still working.

  244. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2020 11:25 am

    There is no way to tell

    Well, they could ask them, you know, like they do to measure unemployment [facepalm]

    Except, now they have changed the way they measure that. Now, that might be ok, but, you can no longer compare with the past 30 years since Keating brought it in line with the rest of the world, because the way the measure it has now changed. The below is also included in the changes mentioned previously. So, when they say how wonderful we are performing compared to the rest of the world, they are lying.

    A person will be classified as employed if they:
    · had taken any kind of paid leave;
    · were away from their job for any reason (e.g. they were stood down), and were paid for some part of the previous 4 weeks (including through the jobkeeper scheme); or
    · were away from their job for four weeks or less for any reason, without pay, but believe they still have a job to go back to (e.g. they were stood down, with no pay).

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/14/australia-coronavirus-live-updates-nsw-victoria-qld-lockdown-politics-latest-news-update?page=with:block-5ebca2ac8f08a55ecde59963#block-5ebca2ac8f08a55ecde59963

    Previously, to be employed, you only had to pass the one criteria

    Employed – includes people who are in a paid job for one hour or more in a week.

    https://www.rba.gov.au/education/resources/explainers/unemployment-its-measurement-and-types.html

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2020 11:32 am

    I know of plenty of my clients who are receiving Job Keeper but have their employees at the workplace still working.

    Doesn’t that mean the employer is in breach? (Or at least should be for double dipping … the money IS actually going to employers not employees … )

    https://www.ato.gov.au/general/jobkeeper-payment/employees/eligible-employees/

  246. Tony permalink
    May 15, 2020 12:33 pm

  247. Tony permalink
    May 15, 2020 12:37 pm

  248. Tony permalink
    May 15, 2020 12:39 pm

  249. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2020 12:42 pm

    Australia prepares for boom in candle wax and tumbleweed

    Megaphone diplomacy springs to mind

  250. Tony permalink
    May 15, 2020 12:49 pm

  251. May 15, 2020 12:55 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  252. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2020 1:08 pm

    Pubs and clubs will remain shut in Victoria, with the state government ruling out relaxing restrictions early.

    But in nsw, the land of the free, ten people can go to the pub, and not drink beer

    Is twiggy thinking of buying Virgins? I wonder if dutton is gonna tweet his inanity to that?

  253. Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2020 1:44 pm

    “China has threatened to cut off Australia’s $63 billion iron ore export pipeline to Beijing, as relations continue to sour over the COVID-19 inquiry.”

    Very very unlikely.

    The only other really big producer is Vale (pronounced Va Lay) of Brazil. There is no way they could fill the supply gap in the absence of Rio, BHP and Fortescue and there is no way Vale will spend what would be $ Billions on an production expansion program that might become obsolete if Australian supplies to China resume to normal.

    For Vale that would be financial lunacy. Plus you might find a good deal of pressure on Brazil by the West to refuse to fill the gap

    Vale will just end up enjoying monopoly prices and the Chinese will just have to pay those prices even if their steel mills are running at massive losses of billions.

    If it happens it wont last long

    And with Coal because our Coal is of such high quality the Chinese would then need to modify their steel furnaces to cope with the lower quality. In China each steel company and its furnaces take supply from different areas (countries of origin) of the supply chain. That takes puts some offline for a time and again costs lots of $$$$$$$$$.

    The scenario has already been “war gamed” by our blue chips

  254. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 15, 2020 2:16 pm

    “Doesn’t that mean the employer is in breach? (Or at least should be for double dipping … the money IS actually going to employers not employees … )”

    At my wife’s workplace the employer gets Jobkeeper. The workers work their normal hours and get the higher of their normal wage or Jobkeeper.

  255. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2020 3:23 pm

    At my wife’s workplace the employer gets Jobkeeper. The workers work their normal hours and get the higher of their normal wage or Jobkeeper.

    It really seems like quite a stupid setup, open for so much rorting and misuse. Even after explaining it here, there are so many questions left unanswered

  256. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 15, 2020 3:34 pm

    Yes, Tom R, that’s how it is applied at my wife’s workplace. One manager is trying to get the workers to work more hours so she can work less but the workers are having none of it.

    There some winners. A casual worker who takes one shift a week still gets the $1,500.

  257. Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2020 3:47 pm

    “Can your boss make you work extra hours?”

    Ummm………No

    And that has been my understanding from Day 1 and my advice to 14 clients on Jobkeeper

  258. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2020 3:49 pm

    China doesn’t like independent thinking, diplomacy=pressure

    And Norway must stop being so provocative to China!!

    Norway is the world’s biggest producer of salmon. But hardly any of it goes to China, the biggest consumer of seafood.

    Since the Nobel Prize was awarded to human rights activist Liu Xiaobo in 2010—at a ceremony in Oslo where the award was famously placed on an empty chair as Liu was in prison in China—Norway, and its fish, have been given the cold shoulder in China

  259. Tom R permalink
    May 15, 2020 3:55 pm

    There some winners. A casual worker who takes one shift a week still gets the $1,500.

    Yes, that’s the nature of emergency measures like this, you don’t get too fussy with details.

    However, they did get fussy, but left gaping holes. So, it’s a pretty complex, but very messy ’emergency’ measure, that came out way too late.

    And, is open for exploitation, as the numerous stories from those who have come forward can see. Think how many are just cowed into accepting being exploited.

    Stranded without support, international students across Australia rely on free food to survive

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/15/stranded-without-support-international-students-across-australia-rely-on-free-food-to-survive?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Quite happy to exploit them to drive down local wages, and then left without a thing when the shit hits the fan. That’s our xtian pm for you.

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2020 4:03 pm

    The scenario has already been “war gamed” by our blue chips

    Excellent explanation, Wally … agree with that summary completely. 😎

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2020 4:06 pm

    However, they did get fussy, but left gaping holes. So, it’s a pretty complex, but very messy ’emergency’ measure, that came out way too late.

    Yep, the “review” should be interesting …

  262. Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2020 4:09 pm

    Thanks TB…………………plus Brazil does not have the port capacity to keep up with the Chinese demand. And they are not going to build what could be temporary capacity to cope.

    I forgot that bit

  263. Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2020 4:12 pm

    “I WON’T be flying the new Virgin if that fucking Twiggy Forest has anything to do with it.”

    I thought is was Dick that wanted to get into Virgin ?

  264. Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2020 4:18 pm

    It’s gettin’ dangerous out there. Will Putin appear from stage Left…………….?

    “One of the four suspects charged with the murder of nearly 300 people on board a flight shot down over Ukraine has been arrested by separatist rebels, it was reported on Thursday.”

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/suspect-in-mh17-shoot-down-case-arrested-in-ukraine-20200515-p54tcx.html

  265. Walrus permalink
    May 15, 2020 4:20 pm

    The seismic plates of history feel like they are on the move right back to where they were 80 odd years ago …LOL

  266. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2020 4:23 pm

    Mr Frydenberg has turned back Australia’s economic policy clock nearly three decades, promising to make the same mistakes that prolonged the pain of the early 1990s recession.

    Well at least Wayne Swan admitted that Labors policies made the early 1990’s recession worse than it should have been

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2020 6:00 pm

    email from Tony Burke ALP … my bold

    4. We’ve been arguing for ages that parliament needs to start sitting again with normal regular dates set down.

    The government voted against this on Tuesday but we kept making the case and by Thursday a new sitting calendar was issued. That means parliament will return for two weeks in June.  

    And yer reckon Dan Andrews is a diktat? LOL!

  268. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2020 6:10 pm

    I thought is was Dick that wanted to get into Virgin ?

    You reading the headlines again, Wally?

    The seismic plates of history feel like they are on the move right back to where they were 80 odd years ago …LOL

    Will you fkn stop it, Wally! … I’m supposed to argue with you! 😀

    Oddly enough I was discussing Japan’s Expansion Plan and the USA refusing to provide trade goods to them before WWII, just like China’s – One Belt One Road concept (only China’s is a bit more “subtle” …

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2020 6:13 pm

    Well at least Wayne Swan admitted that Labors policies made the early 1990’s recession worse than it should have been

    You really do have a twisted, moronic mindset and misunderstanding of world an national economic and political events …

    It was a WORLD Recession … how TF did Labor make it “worse”?

    Don’t answer that!

  270. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2020 7:04 pm

    Dozens of people who tested positive for COVID-19 in Wisconsin had recently attended a “large gathering”, according to a report.

    Around 1500 people, including Trump supporters and those from right-wing groups, staged a mass protest against lockdown measures in the state’s capital of Madison on April 24.

    They gathered on the steps of the Capitol Building to push back against Democratic governor Tony Evers’ stay-at-home order which was to expire on May 26 but has since been tossed out by the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

    The “fight for freedom is long and hard – people who put their heads up – get killed!

    https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/coronavirus-us-covid19-patients-went-to-large-gathering-in-wisconsin/news-story/dc409652288c7c4706493dd0f963b61b

    The Land of The Free … Dickheads …

  271. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2020 7:56 pm

    It was a WORLD Recession … how TF did Labor make it “worse”?

    TB

    TomR posted a tweet by Wayne Swan at May 14, 9.54AM. It was Wayne Swan saying that the Coalition are making the same mistakes Keating made during the early 1990’s recession

    Go back and read the tweet. I think that is what Swan was saying.

  272. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2020 9:10 am

  273. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 16, 2020 12:56 pm

  274. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2020 2:15 pm

    Splattebum

    Since i am bored and have nothing better to do i will make a comment playing devils advocate.

    Perhaps it is too early to post a comment like that. Come back next year and then post your beliefs

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2020 3:43 pm

    Watch this video (particularly Mexican residents) … especially “you people” who want to open up the libraries and pubs …

  276. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2020 3:47 pm

    Perhaps it is too early to post a comment like that. Come back next year and then post your beliefs

    er, no its not … and Kiwis and Aussies have a better chance of “coming back” than UK residents.

  277. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 16, 2020 4:29 pm

    “Perhaps it is too early to post a comment like that. Come back next year and then post your beliefs

    Truly you are the King of Stupid, Neil!

    I’m telling it like it is. If contradictory facts emerge I might well change my mind – something you, having nothing to change, are incapable of.

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2020 5:31 pm

    😀

  279. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2020 5:46 pm

    “””””””””””””I’m telling it like it is. If contradictory facts emerge I might well change my mind – something you, having nothing to change, are incapable of.”””””””””””””””””

    I guess i was being provocative. 99% chance you are correct.

  280. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2020 6:14 pm

    I guess i was being provocative. 99% chance you are correct.

    Yes, and 100% – don’t fudge yer replies, Sooty!

  281. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2020 6:49 pm

    I said i was bored and playing devils advocate.

    BTW did you read Wayne Swans tweet? I reposted it. Swan stated that the Coalition are making the same mistakes Labor made during the early 1990’s recession. Do you agree?

  282. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 17, 2020 7:37 am

    This twitter feed is fascinating:

  283. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2020 7:55 am

    As Australia begins to relax its Covid-19 restrictions there is understandable debate about how quickly that should proceed, and whether lockdowns even made sense in Australia in the first place …

    … The sceptics arguing for more rapid relaxation of containment measures point to the economic costs of lockdowns and appeal to the cold calculus of cost-benefit analysis to conclude that the lives saved by lockdowns don’t justify the economic costs incurred to do so.In the specific case of this pandemic there is survey evidence based on respondents from 58 countries suggesting that strong government responses to the pandemic have been reducing worry and depression.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/may/17/was-australia-right-to-shut-down-to-slow-coronavirus-the-economists-verdict

    (re: Survey Evidence)

    https://psyarxiv.com/3kfmh

  284. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 17, 2020 8:03 am

    Even Jon Stewart was on to Creepy Joe in 2015:

    That’s the choice the Americans have – Trump or that!

  285. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 17, 2020 8:23 am

    Very good article TB.

  286. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2020 8:38 am

    Agree, sb … CBA probably not appropriate (ie deaths v dollars) but it works for me here.

    I just discovered the Zoom conspiracy (looks true!)

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+china+operates+zoom

  287. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 17, 2020 10:22 am

    Warning: lame Zoom pun ahead.

  288. May 17, 2020 11:57 am

    Lame is a gross understatement rectum.

  289. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2020 12:38 pm

    whew! fkn hard work, sb …

  290. May 17, 2020 2:55 pm

    Some of youse might find this interesting… The latest from Shane Oliver…

    Apologies in advance for the long cut and paste…(my bold here and there)

    Australian jobs data provided a confusing picture with a much smaller than expected rise in unemployment to 6.2% masking a significant deterioration in the labour market.

    Basically, while roughly 600,000 jobs were lost last month, around 500,000 people left the workforce which meant that the unemployment rate “only” rose to 6.2%. The decline in workforce participation was presumably because laid off workers didn’t look for work due to either the lockdown or on the assumption that they will just go back to their old job when the lockdown ends.

    The changed rules enabling people to access JobSeeker without having to seek paid employment may have also encouraged many to temporarily leave the workforce. Were it not for the fall in participation the unemployment rate would have been 9.6%.

    But there is still a huge hit to household income due to a 9.2% drop in hours worked with 2.7 million workers either leaving employment or having their hours reduced (as indicated by a rise in underemployment to 13.7% and a rise in labour underutilisation to around 19.9%). And of course, were it not for JobKeeper employment would have fallen a lot more than the 594,000 decline reported – in fact over 5.5 million workers are now protected by JobKeeper. Thankfully!

    The other piece of “good news” is that Australia has avoided confidence zapping headlines around “surging unemployment.” We still see unemployment rising from here, but the April report gives us more confidence that it won’t get above 10%. In fact, it may not get much above 8% given that the big hit to the economy and jobs was in April.

    The main risk will be after September if the economy hasn’t recovered much and JobKeeper and the enhanced JobSeeker ends seeing more workers defining themselves as unemployed.

    https://www.ampcapital.com/au/en/insights-hub/articles/2020/may/market-update-150520?cintterm=SOF

  291. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2020 4:59 pm

    reb, I read a similar tale a few days ago … have you ever noticed that if we have 10% (or whatever number you choose) people never realise that means we have 90% of our workforce employed?

    … when I studied Economics 101, yeah, ToM, I did – I had a great lecturer, (he had grown up in Communist Hungary so could easily compare systems) … he maintained that there will always be at least 6% unemployment for various reasons … redundancy, resignation, dismissal, job switching etc … and including a couple of percent chronically unemployable … and that silly ILO System …

  292. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2020 5:00 pm

    This would be funny if it wasn’t so stupidly sad …

    https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-us-evangelical-preachers-and-their-congregations-dying-from-covid19-in-droves/news-story/95551ef7e19be231bab80a00710080ef

    Only in America!

    Please don’t let us become the 51st State!

  293. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 17, 2020 7:38 pm

    Natural selection!

  294. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2020 9:54 pm

    Chuckle … all we can do is hope … prayers obviously don’t work …

  295. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 18, 2020 8:44 am

    “prayers obviously don’t work …”

    I was about to say “Can’t hurt” ………. 🙂

  296. Tony permalink
    May 18, 2020 9:05 am

  297. Tony permalink
    May 18, 2020 9:23 am

  298. Tony permalink
    May 18, 2020 9:34 am

  299. May 18, 2020 9:43 am

    Dan Andrews is going to spend ONE BILLION DOLLARS on school halls…!

    YoM’s going to have a cardiac arrest!

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-18/daniel-andrews-premier-victoria-coronavirus-construction-blitz/12258066

  300. Tony permalink
    May 18, 2020 9:46 am

  301. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2020 10:17 am

    YoM’s going to have a cardiac arrest!

    And can’t get across the border(s) either!

  302. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2020 10:22 am

    Yes cold and humidity, like it preferred Northern latitude winters and why the Southern Hemisphere is now in danger of a second wave as it releases lockdown … because high profile scientists assured policy makers …

    Bit like “kids are not at risk” only “old and frail” …

    The way folk behave at the moment a second wave is “inevitable” …

  303. Tony permalink
    May 18, 2020 11:20 am

    a second wave is “inevitable” …

    Or a first actual wave. We probably haven’t had the conditions yet for this thing to thrive. Victoria and Tasmania will be the states to watch once winter sets in, northerly states not so much.

    A vaccine won’t happen in time but an antidote to the symptoms would be handy.

    https://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/israel-isolates-coronavirus-monoclonal-antibody-in-potential-covid-19-antidote

  304. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2020 11:31 am

    Or a first actual wave. sort of, ToSY … we did manage to lock down the first wave but almost got swamped eg Ruby Princess …

  305. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2020 2:25 pm

    YoM’s going to have a cardiac arrest!

    That has already happened! Did I mention the jobseeker rort?

  306. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2020 3:31 pm

    Did I mention the jobseeker rort? Did you mention it to Sooty from Marketing?

  307. Tony permalink
    May 18, 2020 8:39 pm

    I make my charitable donations directly to homeless people on the street – as long as they promise to spend the money on alcohol.

  308. Tony permalink
    May 18, 2020 9:55 pm

  309. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2020 7:43 am

    Interesting reaction. Woods is at least partially correct:

  310. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2020 8:57 am

    … they go to the garbage every day together — wearing different costumes.

    Not short of money then?

    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Woods is at least partially correct:

    OK, which bit?

  311. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2020 9:03 am

    Everyone gets fined (or jail) for breaking the law … but …

    … we pay businesses not to pollute … why aren’t I paid not to get a speeding ticket for twelve months …

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/19/coalition-reveals-new-emissions-reduction-measures-including-paying-polluters-to-stay-under-cap

    Dumb and fkn dumber …

  312. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2020 9:37 am

    <i."OK, which bit?"

    I think these bits are true:

    “Donald Trump is a rough individual. He is vain, insensitive and raw.”

    I have an open mind on this:

    “He is the last firewall between us and this cesspool called Washington.”

    As at now he is a better candidate than Creepy Joe. But I can’t believe Joe will be the Democrat candidate come November.

  313. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2020 9:50 am

    A further example of the sublime stupidity of US journalism here is some objective reporting from the Washington Post – Stacey Abrams as “runway supermodel:”

    “When she is finally introduced, the women shout and leap to their feet. Young women stand on chairs, camera phones flash. Abrams, who appears both amused and slightly disturbed by the fuss over her, takes control of the chaotic scene. I’ve witnessed this level of affection for very few political leaders in the Democratic circles I’ve been in since the 1980s. They have the last names Clinton (both Hillary and Bill), Sanders, Warren, Jackson and Obama (both Michelle and Barack).

    Pandemonium ensues as she walks to the far left of the stage, like a runway supermodel, stops on a dime, poses, tilts her head slightly and smiles. Camera flashes explode. She next pivots and walks slowly to the center of the stage, freezes there and repeats the pose. Again, the flashes explode. Abrams is summoning her inner actress, and she is both enjoying the moment and getting through it to get to the conversation. She then pivots and walks to the far right of the stage, same.”

  314. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2020 9:52 am

    The WaPo article included this fetching photo of the rising superstar:

  315. Back`In`Black`Teabag permalink
    May 19, 2020 10:16 am

    Great to see the horrid little fairy at the bottom of the 2gbGarden departing.

  316. Back`In`Black`Teabag permalink
    May 19, 2020 11:14 am

    Wonder if there is any soverign risk granting antibioticAbuseWhim to corporate farms.

  317. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2020 11:15 am

    Trump says he is taking hydroxychloroquine.

    Sounds like an epitaph – it is now inevitable that Trump will get the virus!

  318. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2020 11:39 am

    This is sad news: Lucky Peterson, kid prodigy turned veteran Dallas bluesman, dies at 55.

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2020 12:17 pm

    Baba Vanga and Nostradamus both predict it!

    Sounds like an epitaph – it is now inevitable that Trump will get the virus!

    (plenty of articles)

  320. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2020 12:19 pm

    it is now inevitable that Trump will get the virus!

    “will get” ??

  321. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2020 12:57 pm

    WGAFF what the Chines embassy says, TomR! The murderous CCP are bad actors in this:

    “At least 5 people in China have disappeared, gotten arrested, or been silenced after speaking out about the coronavirus”

    Unfortunately there are Australians who want to make common cause with them. Some seem to be acting on the “my enemy’s enemy” principle. Others seem to be motivated by greed and monetary gain.

    President Xi and Twiggy (bottom):

  322. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2020 1:02 pm

    Here is Cuomo’s despicable excuse for forcing infected people into nursing homes:

    “Older people, vulnerable people, are going to die from this virus. That is going to happen despite whatever you do. Because with all our progress as a society, we can’t keep everyone alive,”

  323. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2020 2:39 pm

    Not even close, TomR.

    Forget glass houses, speaking truth to power is not hypocrisy and it is not our role to suck up those malignant monsters. Our risk from China is the CCP’s thuggery – they think Australia is just gum on the sole of their shoe. Australians will not reward cowardly politicians who suck up to tyrants and fall silent in the face of evil.

  324. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2020 2:49 pm

    Sleazy Pelosi just called Trump “morbidly obese”. I wonder what she’ll say about Stacey?

  325. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2020 2:59 pm

    Australians will not reward cowardly politicians who suck up to tyrants and fall silent in the face of evil

    True. We applaud dissidents in many countries for having the courage to speak out. But many seem to shy away from offending the powerful. China is a bully with their claims in the South China Sea, and if ever we are going to rebalance the relationship, it’s when the economy is in recession.

  326. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2020 3:09 pm

    speaking truth to power is not hypocrisy

    Who is doing that?

    Our government wanted an inquiry into China’s role in this

    What countries have signed up to is an inquiry into the Covid19, not a specific countries response.

    We ran out to do Americas dirty work, and now are trying to claim a legitimate inquiry into a world wide pandemic is somehow because of us?

    That’s speaking bullshit to truth

  327. May 19, 2020 3:17 pm

    “If ever we are going to rebalance the relationship, it’s when the economy is in recession.”

    Ours or theirs…? 😆 😆 😆

  328. May 19, 2020 3:19 pm

    “it is not our role to suck up those malignant monsters.”

    I think “Chinese rat fuckers” had a nicer ring to it.

  329. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2020 3:32 pm

    I think “Chinese rat fuckers” had a nicer ring to it.

    Isn’t it strange that the pm who had the best relationship with China was the one who truly spoke truth to power to them?

    I guess rat fuckers stick together 🙂

  330. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2020 4:37 pm

    And who doesn’t like a nicer ring? Or as the Greeks say “The other man’s arse is always cleaner!”

  331. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2020 4:38 pm

    “the pm who had the best relationship with China”

    That’s about as relevant as who had the best relationship with Stalin.

  332. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2020 4:39 pm

  333. Tom R permalink
    May 19, 2020 4:44 pm

    That’s about as relevant as who had the best relationship with Stalin.

    Had we outsourced all of our manufacturing to Stalin, and sold hims vast chunks of our primary land and services?

  334. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2020 5:00 pm

    Had we outsourced all of our manufacturing to Stalin, and sold hims vast chunks of our primary land and services?

    And that’s our obvious answer to China … fuck around? Then fuck off …

    Note: One thing that always sticks out in brutal wars is that they began from one of two reasons – religion, or access to resources … personally I prefer the trading option …

  335. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2020 7:04 pm

    My mate who’s 6’+ was once told by a doctor he was “morbidly obese” … he’s a nice slim bloke … ex surfer … so it’s been a joke for a while morbidly slow, morbidly musical. morbidly this morbidly that!

    sent him this email …

    S!

    Do.Not.Go.Near.Hydroxychloroquine.O.K.?

    Nancy Pelosi!

    “He’s our president, and I would rather he not be taking something that has not been approved by the scientists, especially in his age group and his, shall we say, weight group … morbidly obese, they say,” she said.

    Reply

    So what are you saying??????

    Chuckle … don’t become the president and don’t become a big dumb fat bastard — I think …

    Or … fat chance?

  336. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2020 7:26 pm

    “fat chance”

    It’s the only chance I’ve got!

  337. May 19, 2020 8:39 pm

    “The other man’s arse is always cleaner!”

    I just spat out my shiraz over that, rectum!

  338. May 19, 2020 8:40 pm

    Please note the grammatical placement of a comma in my last comment (otherwise it could’ve carried a completely different meaning).

  339. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2020 8:53 pm

    Thank you for clarifying the use of the comma, but a colon might have been better.

  340. Tony permalink
    May 19, 2020 9:00 pm

    Hmmm indeed.

  341. Tony permalink
    May 19, 2020 9:03 pm

    Please note the grammatical placement of a comma in my last comment (otherwise it could’ve carried a completely different meaning).

    but a colon might have been better.

    Stop it!

  342. Tony permalink
    May 19, 2020 9:13 pm

    The bottom line is that we as a nation simply cannot afford to pay people to sit at home and not produce. Now some economists will tell us that JobKeeper is a transfer and not a cost and so we have nothing to worry about. Others might tell us that public debt doesn’t really matter because we’re really just borrowing from ourselves. Whatever. The economy is not a perpetual motion machine running on fairy dust or unicorn farts.

    The economic challenge that we now face is getting Australians back to work. Sit-down money had a place in securing our health – but won’t help in the next phase of recovery.

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2020/05/19/on-jobkeeper/

  343. May 19, 2020 9:42 pm

    “but a colon might have been better.

    Oh behave…! 😆

  344. Tony permalink
    May 19, 2020 9:52 pm

    Rules are for the little people (Part 1)

  345. Tony permalink
    May 19, 2020 9:54 pm

    Rules are for the little people (Part 2)

  346. Tony permalink
    May 19, 2020 10:32 pm

    THE health establishment was looking away when the coronavirus struck; it had other priorities. If you look at the World Health Organisation’s list of health threats, number one is climate change. Pandemics were down in third place, behind ‘non-communicable diseases’ such as diabetes and obesity.

    Wherever you look, you will find some of the biggest names in the public health establishment declaiming on the risks of climate change to world health. On the eve of the outbreak, the Royal Society of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene declared that we would be seeing ‘mass migration, emerging infectious diseases such as dengue and a shortage of food’. As the first people fell ill in Wuhan, the WHO announced that in ten years we would be seeing 250,000 additional deaths per year from malnutrition, malaria, diarrhoea and heat stress as a result of global warming. Epidemiologist Professor Andy Haines told readers of the Telegraph that ‘climate change is a threat to global and national security that is costing lives and livelihoods right now’.

    It’s a sorry tale, and an indication of how far the vast sums of money that are available for climate change research are distorting public health research priorities, just as they are in so many fields. As we look at the destruction wrought by the pandemic, it’s hard not to wonder if people in the field should have spent less time poring over dubious unvalidated mathematical models about the spread of malaria and more about whether we had the wherewithal to respond to a major pandemic.

    https://www.thegwpf.com/climate-change-and-a-pandemic-of-lies/

  347. Tony permalink
    May 20, 2020 8:12 am

    Do.Not.Go.Near.Hydroxychloroquine.O.K.?

    The Walter and Eliza Hall Institute is taking hydroxychloroquine seriously. But people will believe the “experts” they want to believe. Trump, for example, was prescribed this drug by his doctor. Your friend might be wise to seek a second opinion.

    https://www.wehi.edu.au/news/covid19-prevention-trial-opens-high-risk-healthcare-workers

  348. Tony permalink
    May 20, 2020 8:14 am

    Plus, this:

  349. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2020 9:10 am

    Your friend might be wise to seek a second opinion.

    My friend does far more research than you … obviously … I won;t bother cherry picking … ’cause the risk is STILL there … in fact I read this morning of “experimental” research about to be conducted on volunteer health workers in Melbourne …

    Doctors also prescribed quinine for malaria … most of us in PNG stopped taking it because of the side effects – especially vision.

  350. Tony permalink
    May 20, 2020 9:23 am

    My friend does far more research than you … obviously

    But you still felt he would benefit from your expert advice. Got it.

  351. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 20, 2020 9:57 am

  352. Tony permalink
    May 20, 2020 10:08 am

    Oh, so that’s what Telehealth is.👀

  353. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2020 10:55 am

    Oh, so that’s what Telehealth is.

    Knowing my luck, spell checker would stuff it up and put an apostrophe where the colon was 😦

  354. Tony permalink
    May 20, 2020 10:58 am

    Or an exclamation mark!

  355. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2020 11:54 am

    OUCH:

  356. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2020 1:34 pm

    oh oh, trouble at the day care center

  357. Tony permalink
    May 20, 2020 1:46 pm

    borders are returning to their accommodation.

    I think he means boarders.

  358. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2020 2:06 pm

    I think he means boarders.

    Hey, he’s churnalist, not a wordsmith ffs 😉

  359. Tony permalink
    May 20, 2020 3:05 pm

    Hey, he’s churnalist, not a wordsmith ffs 😉

    Wordsmithery would be handy, though, since he’s trying to communicate using … words. He’ll probably blame one of his primary school teachers.

  360. Tony permalink
    May 20, 2020 4:04 pm

    Getting a few facts right now and then might also help.

  361. Tony permalink
    May 20, 2020 4:09 pm

    ABC &I

    🙄Maybe he writes for the school paper: someone else dunnit too!

  362. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2020 4:31 pm

    Maybe he writes for the school paper

    Schools have standards ffs!

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2020 4:33 pm

    But you still felt he would benefit from your expert advice. Got it.

    It was a joke with a mate … got it? 🙄

  364. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2020 4:50 pm

    got it?

    Guess there’s a first for everything.

  365. Walrus permalink
    May 20, 2020 5:15 pm

    We shouldn’t feel too “special”

    Seems like everyone gets a whack from this rag

    http://www.globaltimes.cn/

  366. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2020 6:07 pm

    Seems like everyone gets a whack from this rag

    Bit like NewsCorpse with a Guardian web page design … clever … or not!

    And the LNP want to get rid of the ABC? Hilarious – NOT!

  367. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2020 6:09 pm

    BTW, Wally thanks for the heads-up … now in my favourites with news.com.au, the Guardian, The New Daily …

  368. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2020 6:14 pm

    Guess there’s a first for everything.

    The LNP have been playing Deputy Dawg Sheriff to Republican POTUS for a long time … but “played by Trump is a losing hand!”

  369. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2020 6:16 pm

    I wonder if Trump is actually taking hydroxychloroquine?

    We know he lies … we know he’s manipulative … we know that he runs off at the mouth in news gigs …

    Just wonderin’ …

  370. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 20, 2020 6:19 pm

    TB

    It was Hawke/ALP who took us to the Middle East in the early 1990’s and we have been there ever since

  371. May 20, 2020 7:58 pm

    “now in my favourites with news.com.au, the Guardian, The New Daily …”

    You might like to check out Al Jazeera too, TB.

    https://www.aljazeera.com

  372. Tony permalink
    May 20, 2020 10:09 pm

    “Why would I think about missing a shot I haven’t taken yet?” ~ Michael Jordan.

  373. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2020 10:28 am

  374. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2020 10:38 am

    Cuomo ducking and weaving on nursing homes:

    Anyone who wants to ask, ‘Why did the state do that with COVID patients in nursing homes,’ it’s because the state followed President Trump’s CDC [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] guidance,” Cuomo told reporters in Albany who pressed him on whether he had any regrets about the directive, which may have played a role in the deaths of thousands of nursing home residents.

    “They should ask President Trump. I think that will stop the conversation,” he repeated.”

    There is enough blame to go around for one of the worst decisions in this pandemic. But in the end it was the state governments that made the final decision. Not all states were as cavalier with their elderly. Florida for example (despite its other short-comings):

    Florida got the message and implemented a model response. Despite its vast enclaves of long-term care homes, it reported ­under 750 deaths in them, or slightly more than one for each of its 615 facilities.

    The striking contrast between Florida on one hand and New York and New Jersey on the other can be traced largely to policy decisions by their governors. Gov. ­Andrew Cuomo of New York and Gov. Phil Murphy of New Jersey issued almost identical orders in late March requiring nursing homes to accept COVID-19 patients being discharged from hospitals. The orders barred the homes from even asking if the patients had the virus, lest they be discriminated against.

    Those politically correct orders quickly became death sentences as infections spread like wildfire.

    Florida, thankfully, followed a different path. Gov. Ron DeSantis said his state moved early to protect the elderly because statistics from South Korea showed “that not all age groups were equally at risk” and that most deaths happened to “folks 65 and up.”

    As a result, he allowed his nursing homes to reject hospital referrals who were still infected. More recently, Florida started sending infected residents in the opposite direction, from nursing homes to hospitals.

    “Our goal is to keep the virus out of our facilities,” one Florida nursing-home CEO told the Sun-Sentinel. “Hospitals are more concerned about their beds.”

  375. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2020 10:48 am

    Link for quote above.

  376. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2020 12:04 pm

    Wow. Now even the UK is betting on hydroxychloroquine.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/19/uk-to-test-hydroxychloroqine-as-coronavirus-treatment

  377. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2020 12:19 pm

  378. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2020 1:13 pm

    Millions of Australian casual workers could be in for a major payout after the federal court ruled they were eligible for paid leave.
    Yesterday’s landmark decision means staff with regular shifts won’t be considered “casual” workers, even if that’s what their contracts state.
    The ruling arose after mine worker Robert Rossato argued his previous employer WorkPac had labelled him a “casual” worker even though he worked “regular, certain, continuing, constant and predictable” shifts which were set in advance.
    While Mr Rossato had a 25 per cent casual loading included in his wages, judges rules he was also entitled to leave on top.

    Great! That’s just what businesses need right now! A huge, new payout!

    If a casual worker accepts a casual loading instead of receiving various types of leave, there should be no leave accrual. They should be required to be offered an on going job without the loading.

    This is a disgrace!!

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/court-rules-casual-workers-are-entitled-to-paid-leave-backpay-worth-8-billion/news-story/af273c22411d89ab855ccee4c98d331b

  379. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2020 1:13 pm

    I for one welcome President Xi as the true leader of the free world instead of that morbidly obese Drumpf!

  380. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2020 3:06 pm

    Now even the UK is betting on hydroxychloroquine

    Hot on the heels of Herd Immunity, yea, I’d ask for a second opinion 😉

    Great! That’s just what businesses need right now! to pay people what they owe them. 😯

  381. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2020 3:16 pm

    The stench just worsens

    The disclosures range from a Labor electorate that failed to win a single dollar from Senator McKenzie’s slush fund despite having one of the more highly rated applications, to the “coincidental” windfalls for seats the Coalition was most interested in and Coalition seats doing overwhelmingly better than Labor electorates.

    The numbers come after the ongoing exposure of the close involvement of the Prime Minister’s office – something Scott Morrison has long denied.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/05/21/michael-pascoe-sports-rorts/

    He can deny all he wants, but every time he does, the journalists SHOULD call him out for the liar he is.

    But they won’t

  382. Walrus permalink
    May 21, 2020 4:22 pm

    “He can deny all he wants, but every time he does,…….”

    I think the LNP would be quite happy for Albo to bang on about alleged sports rorts because it is simply not resonating amongst voters because voters accept that all political parties do it to some degree or other and that simply some are better at it than others.

    Graham Richardson claims he was the best at doing it ever.

    Look at the polls……………I don’t see to much concern about sports rorts.

    Ya flogging a dead horse but I do hope Albo continues

  383. May 21, 2020 5:02 pm

    “it is simply not resonating amongst voters because voters accept that all political parties do it to some degree”

    I fear you are right. Most people are too busy just ‘surviving’ right now to be too concerned about shams like this.

    Who amongst us doesn’t know someone who’s business is struggling due to the current crisis? I know at least half a dozen.

    No one in my immediate circle of friends is out of work, but I imagine people ten or 20 years younger than me would know at least a few.

    Literally thousands of people are too worried about how they’re going to pay the rent, than have the time of day to pay any attention to what slippers politicians do.

    THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS TOTALLY FUCKED….!!*

    * I feel I may have mentioned something along these lines before…

  384. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2020 5:05 pm

    Ya flogging a dead horse

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYfLqzIWkAMhvzW?format=jpg&name=900×900

  385. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2020 5:05 pm

    THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS TOTALLY FUCKED….!!*”

    Yes indeed it is!

  386. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2020 5:19 pm

    Try this …

  387. May 21, 2020 5:30 pm

    It’s just as well ‘we’ have all the answers here at TGT.

  388. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2020 6:35 pm

    I for one welcome President Xi as the true leader of the free world instead of that morbidly obese Drumpf!

    Me too – particularly after reading this …

    https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/treat-each-other-with-sincerity-how-trump-ignored-chinas-plea/news-story/bcca577df084dd36df557d99b6c6595d

  389. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2020 6:42 pm

    … all political parties do it to some degree or other and that simply some are better at it than others. More corrupt than others … its simply WRONG!

    Graham Richardson claims he was the best at doing it ever. And considered an arsehole by most ALP supporters …

    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    * I feel I may have mentioned something along these lines before… Chuckle … we …

    Must say … my lot apart from one are “gainfully” employed.

    It’s just as well ‘we’ have all the answers here at TGT.

    That sounds awfully sarcastic! 😎

  390. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2020 9:27 pm

    Look at the polls……………I don’t see to much concern about sports rorts.

    Polls don’t help you much when you have broken the law.

    And, polls are gonna look pretty interesting once we start experiencing the ‘snap back’.

    By then, he’ll have nowhere to turn from his taxpayer funded electioneering.

  391. Tony permalink
    May 22, 2020 5:24 am

  392. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2020 12:20 pm

    What’s the good of a pandemic if you can’t exploit it. Privatization, yaays

  393. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2020 12:39 pm

    What’s the good of a pandemic if you can’t exploit it. Privatization, yaays

    Pretty sure its not the only “profession” …

    I agree with the first comment @ timdunlop … Governmnet should set up a National Pathology Lab … not everything should be “privatised” – every decision should not be about profit … many decisions should be based on the welfare of people … we used to have a relatively balanced capitalist/socialist system in Oz … and then we started sucking up to the US of A … and all its rubbish floated over with it …

  394. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 22, 2020 1:12 pm

    So you lefties want the govt to run everything. You use a pandemic to socialise everything and get the govt to run everything.

    We used to have a relatively balanced capitalist/socialist system in this country but you lefties want to socialise everything.

    100% of everything run by the govt is what you lefties want

  395. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2020 1:52 pm

    not everything should be “privatised”

    Sounds fair

    So you lefties want the govt to run everything.

    Sounds ……. like nil lol

  396. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2020 3:13 pm

    looks like the libs have found some spare cash to fund their next election campaign with

  397. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 22, 2020 3:36 pm

    “”””””””””””””””we used to have a relatively balanced capitalist/socialist system in Oz … and then we started sucking up to the US of A “”””””””””””””””

    When did this happen? Since Whitlam trashed the budget in the early 1970’s our lives have been controlled by the govt more and more. The odd privatisation here and there has covered up the increasing socialising of this country.

    25% of GDP is now Commonwealth govt. It was 19% in 1972

  398. Walrus permalink
    May 22, 2020 3:45 pm

    “Treasury and ATO say a reporting error by about 1,000 businesses means the number of expected JobKeeper recipients has been revised down from 6.5m to 3.5m, costing $70b instead of $130b.”

    Just goes to show that an unemployment rate of 6% is required otherwise you are really eating off the bottom of the birdcage

    So 1,000 businesses have on average each made a $30 million mistake. I would think that means on average they are fairly size able businesses. I have filled out Job Keeper for around 20 clients.

    It ain”t that difficult. What sort of mediocrity do those 1,000 businesses employ ?

  399. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 22, 2020 4:16 pm

  400. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 22, 2020 4:25 pm

    “”””””””””””””It ain”t that difficult. What sort of mediocrity do those 1,000 businesses employ ?”””””””””””””””””

    Perhaps wait and see. The ABC is the taxpayer funded branch of the ALP always looking for ways to trash the Coalition.

    The ABC actually published the number of people who died after the Coalition made changes to Labors Robodebt scheme

    Has the ABC ever published how many people have died due to a policy change made by the ALP in govt?

  401. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2020 4:39 pm

    Daniel Boone King Jong Dan was a man, Yes, a big man! 🙂

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1263383762009645057.html

  402. May 22, 2020 5:19 pm

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  403. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2020 5:32 pm

    lol, 550 employers (sole traders?) accidentally put down they had 1,500 employees instead of just one.

    And the Government waited until the scheme was about to be closed to “realise” it. What a way to cut down on payments

  404. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 22, 2020 5:58 pm

    So what is the problem? Instead of costing $130B Jobkeeper is going to cost $70B. Half the cost estimated. Most govt programs are usually twice the estimated cost.

  405. Walryus permalink
    May 22, 2020 6:05 pm

    “lol, 550 employers (sole traders?) accidentally put down they had 1,500 employees instead of just one.”

    Just goes to show the true worth of a decent accountant ……………LOL

  406. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2020 6:44 pm

    Perhaps they got eleventy joe back to do the numbers?

  407. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2020 6:51 pm

    100% of everything run by the govt is what you lefties want

    Do you really have comprehension problems or are you just a dumb dickhead!

    It ain”t that difficult. What sort of mediocrity do those 1,000 businesses employ ?

    So, you’re finally catching on, Wally … I couldn’t believe it either – then I trained a few!

  408. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2020 6:55 pm

    It ain”t that difficult. What sort of mediocrity do those 1,000 businesses employ ?

    My guess it’s not so much the accountants, but business owners who went in with the $1500 figure implanted in the forefront of their mind, rather than the employee.

    It was a stuff up from the beginning, and the size of the recession will dicktate just how much of a stuff up

    Guessing they should employ Union staff 😉

  409. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2020 6:57 pm

    Splatterbottom permalink
    May 22, 2020 4:16 pm

    But Dan’s still at his desk and working … your (sarcastic) model is nowhere to be sin!*

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think this should read …

    lol, 550 employers (sole traders?) “”accidentally”” put down they had 1,500 employees instead of just one.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just goes to show the true worth of a decent accountant ……………LOL

    ROFLMAO! 😛

    Or a good book-keeper!

  410. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 22, 2020 7:24 pm

    Do you really have comprehension problems or are you just a dumb dickhead!

    I understand completely. U lefties will not be happy until the govt runs everything and private enterprise is abolished.

    And i would have thought Jobkeeper costing $70B instead of $130B of taxpayers money would be regarded as good news. Then the ABC manages to present it as bad news. The ABC should just admit they hate the Coalition

  411. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2020 8:27 pm

    I’m quite happy to have less debt.

  412. May 22, 2020 8:29 pm

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  413. May 22, 2020 9:13 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  414. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 22, 2020 9:25 pm

    Let me guess. Samuel Clark works for the ABC?

  415. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2020 9:40 pm

    What the fuck even is satire these days reb 😦

    Think about this, for the past few months, our treasurer has been telling the world we had the BEST stimulus.

    Now, after someone with a fully charged calculator plugs in the correct numbers, turns out we probably have the worst. So all those ‘whingers’ weren’t ‘whinging’, they were pointing out the blindingly obvious

    AND

    the gov announced the program and GIANT number before employers could even register. So to blame the employers of incorrectly inputting numbers (which could still have happened) is actually a load of bullshit.

    We have been lied to. Again.

    And/Or, we have been flying blind for the past x number of years (I’m going to go with x = 7), and all their measures and statistics mean jack shit

  416. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2020 7:25 am

    At least some governors have their priorities straight.

    I assume the glory holes are there to limit rimming.

  417. May 23, 2020 9:07 am

    It has to be said, you are a source of the most remarkable news and information SB.

  418. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2020 10:49 am

    One would hate to imagine what his Google footprint holds reb

  419. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2020 11:58 am

    I thought this one must have an interesting diet but there could be another reason I suppose:

    ‘If I don’t have sex I’ll die of hunger’

  420. Tony permalink
    May 23, 2020 12:28 pm

    If Sen Watt’s figures are correct these programs have come in some $66.75 billion under budget.

    Good.

  421. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2020 1:45 pm

    $66.75 billion under budget.

    Think about that carefully for a bit …..

  422. Tony permalink
    May 23, 2020 1:48 pm

    Think about that carefully for a bit ….

    What’s your point?

  423. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2020 2:17 pm

    Well, for starters, that means that there are going to be far more unemployed than they calculated for.

    That’s a real world problem, not an accounting trick.

  424. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2020 2:32 pm

  425. Tony permalink
    May 23, 2020 2:32 pm

    that means that there are going to be far more unemployed than they calculated for

    I don’t follow your “logic”.

  426. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2020 2:43 pm

  427. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2020 2:49 pm

    I don’t follow your “logic”.

    This ‘error’ isn’t because businesses stuffed up. That just exposed the bigger error that the Government assumed that about twice as many people were in stable employment prior to this.

    Which means, twice as many people as they estimated would be left out, to go on the dole, if they already weren’t there.

    It also means that they forced many people to access their super who might not have needed to

    The ramifications of this is enormous, and we will see it unfold over the coming months and years

  428. Tony permalink
    May 23, 2020 3:02 pm

    The ramifications of this is enormous, and we will see it unfold over the coming months and years

    This I can agree on. Not for the reasons you mention, but because of the whole overreaction to the virus. The amount of money being splashed about is mind-boggling; money we do not have.

  429. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2020 3:40 pm

    but because of the whole overreaction to the virus

    Yea, why can’t we be more like ‘merica, or Eengland, … Sweden perhaps?

  430. Tony permalink
    May 23, 2020 3:51 pm

    Yea, why can’t we be more like ‘merica, or Eengland, … Sweden perhaps?

    Why couldn’t we have handled it better taking into account our own unique conditions – and not design a response based on what was happening in the northern hemisphere.

  431. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2020 3:53 pm

  432. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2020 3:56 pm

    “””””””I don’t follow your “logic”.”””””””””””””””

    Me neither.

    But where the hell are we going to get all this money from to pay for the $70B? Thank goodness it is not $130B

  433. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2020 4:04 pm

    Thank goodness it is not $130B

    The real question is, has the RBA already borrowed for that? An extra lazy $60billion you don’t just get at the drop of a hat?

  434. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2020 4:51 pm

    The amount of money being splashed about is mind-boggling; money we do not have.

    Except for wars? Funny that, hey?

    and not design a response based on what was happening in the northern hemisphere.

    er, actually we didn’t … it was … based on our own unique conditions eg:

    Large, island, small population(s), federation of states, isolated form the rest of the world, well manned hospitals and emergency services, governments that actually listened to “experts” … for a while …

  435. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2020 6:31 pm

    I just remembered, that the liberal party had applied for this. Would be interesting to see their form 😉

  436. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2020 9:18 am

    The new record speed of 44.2tbps (terabits per second) shattered the previous record of 30.1tbps, and the chip used in the latest test is said to have used less than half the spectrum.

    That speed is roughly one million times* the speed you’d currently get on the most popular NBN bundle.

    *I assume they mean 50mbps d/load.

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/australian-researchers-claim-new-internet-speed-record-of-442-tbps/news-story/e8ef354168bcb3aaa8b4fa672101cc67

  437. May 24, 2020 10:33 am

    BREAKING NEWS!

    Libraries in Melbourne will reopen on the 1st of June….!!

  438. May 24, 2020 10:34 am

    * I guess they finally caved to YoM’s relentless letters of complaint.

  439. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 24, 2020 10:38 am

  440. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2020 10:59 am

    Libraries in Melbourne will reopen on the 1st of June

    Who’s going to support all the Kindle users now 😦

    Love that last line Splats

  441. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 24, 2020 11:08 am

    Yes, all those slothful council public servants will be very disappointed that they will now have to start providing a service to the people who pay their wages!

    Although several councils did manage to find a way to provide a decent telephone & postal library service, but they are in lower socio-economic areas (ie ALP voting councils), and I don’t go anywhere near those parts of Melbourne.

  442. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2020 11:46 am

    SB, tells it all really … a comfortable existence or more wealth than you know what to do with … 8 hours work, 8 hours play, 8 hours rest (I confess to sneaking a lot of my play time to aim for an early retirement – 2005 was a good year tho’! Happy ever after.)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL! I see the Pipers Son is still whingeing … even tho’ he did recognise where the most effective councils are … but still looks down his nose at them … or in this case … cuts it off to spite himself! LOL!

  443. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 24, 2020 11:55 am

    TB, I’m into the work/leisure trade-off these days. Not quite set for life, but need to enjoy it as I go along.

  444. May 24, 2020 12:12 pm

    “Timeless simplicity”

    Love it SB.

    Even YoM might get something out of that (but I doubt it).

  445. May 24, 2020 1:50 pm

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  446. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 24, 2020 2:25 pm

    (but I doubt it).

    I think I have the work/leisure trade off exactly right!
    100% leisure, 0% work!

  447. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2020 4:51 pm

    I’m into the work/leisure trade-off these days

    I should clarify, I retired in 2005 – actually 2006 (kept being badgered to do “one last” job).

    In the end I got fed up with missing five g/kids growing up, I’d missed my two kids, being away from home Thurs Fri Sat Sun Monday, 12 hour days training very clever managers and supervisors for BHP/Rio and overseas, fucking aeroplanes, missing special events and losing long term friends, and fucking airports.

    Now I work at what I want to do, help family with studies and work issues, odd jobs for friends and thoroughly enjoy watching and helping my g/kids grow into contributing members of society.

  448. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2020 4:52 pm

    reb of Melbourne
    May 24, 2020 1:50 pm

    Now that’s funny!

  449. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2020 5:20 pm

    100% leisure, 0% work!

    Yep, yomms definitely teamed up with the bosses 😉

  450. Tony permalink
    May 24, 2020 6:53 pm

  451. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 24, 2020 6:58 pm

    Let me guess… it’s OUR fault when China threatens us, and it’s the fault of the USA when they do it.

    At least that’s the response I expect from the “predictable”

  452. Tony permalink
    May 24, 2020 7:36 pm

    The federal government should disconnect Victoria from school-, hospital-, and road-funding, and whatever else is supposed to be state responsibility, as long as Andrews insists on joining China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI).

  453. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2020 9:07 pm

    At least that’s the response I expect from the “predictable”

    Only ’cause you figured it out yersel’!

  454. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2020 9:09 pm

    Let me guess… it’s OUR fault when we threaten China, and it’s the fault of the USA when they do it to us.

    At least, that’s the reality

    The federal government should disconnect Victoria from school-, hospital-, and road-funding

    You mean, the same mob who sold one of our ports to the Chinese, lock stock and a smoking comfy job for the boys later?

    The ones who are still selling our farms and hospitals to the Chinese, now should get antsy about someone doing infrastructure that the very Government who is selling off our nation has ignored?

    Yea, makes sense, if you’re a hypocritical numbnut.

  455. Tony permalink
    May 24, 2020 9:14 pm

    You mean, the same mob who sold one of our ports to the Chinese, lock stock and a smoking comfy job for the boys later?

    That’s correct. The Victorian State Labor Government.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-privatisation-ports/australian-port-sold-for-7-3-billion-to-consortium-china-fund-among-backers-idUSKCN11P04O You mean, the same mob who sold one of our ports to the Chinese, lock stock and a smoking comfy job for the boys later?

  456. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 24, 2020 11:21 pm

    An alligator believed to have been Hitler’s companion, who escaped from a zoo and survived countless WWII bombings, has died.

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/alligator-rumoured-to-have-been-hitlers-pet-has-died-in-a-moscow-zoo/news-story/cedb543ba08f8f02246d41009394436f

  457. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 25, 2020 7:29 am

    Hopefully the thermometer is electric, unbreakable and has a decent girth!

  458. Tony permalink
    May 25, 2020 8:43 am

  459. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2020 8:43 am

    wow tosy, THAT’S what you get out of that, talk about ideologically blind

    China fund among backers

    Oh, and who got the cushy job with the fund AMONG backers??

    Andrew Robb takes role with Chinese company that operates Darwin port

    As trade minister Robb helped secure Australia’s free trade deal with China in 2015.

    Former ministers are forbidden from taking personal advantage of confidential information they had access to as a minister and banned from lobbying the government for 18 months after leaving office.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/oct/31/andrew-robb-chinese-company-operates-darwin-port

  460. Tony permalink
    May 25, 2020 8:44 am

  461. Tony permalink
    May 25, 2020 8:46 am

  462. Tony permalink
    May 25, 2020 8:54 am

    wow tosy, THAT’S what you get out of that, talk about ideologically blind

    Says the completely non-partisan, non-ideological, fair-minded, unbiased commenter.🙄

    BTW it might help if you were a bit more specific when trying to make one of your completely apolitical comments. That way people might be able to work out WTF you’re talking about.

  463. Tony permalink
    May 25, 2020 9:07 am

    And, for the record, I’m against any government in Australia, state or federal, participating in Belt and Road, regardless of political party.

    Andrews is doing this unilaterally, against DFAT advice, and the agreement is secret! Victorians don’t know what’s being traded away.

  464. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2020 9:20 am

    and the agreement is secret!

    IT’S AN OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    oops

    The Turnbull government has refused to release an agreement it signed with China covering the controversial “Belt and Road Initiative” infrastructure program on the grounds Beijing does not want it made public.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/foreign-affairs-ministry-opts-for-secrecy-over-china-infrastructure-agreement-20180730-p4zufm.html

    Well, sometimes ………………. 😉

  465. Tony permalink
    May 25, 2020 9:24 am

    A Karen(s) explainer.

    … But coronavirus lockdowns and other restrictive measures have lately vastly empowered the global scolding movement. Behold the planet’s Karens, defined last year in the New York Times by Sarah Miller as “the policewomen of all human behaviour”.

    The Atlantic magazine this month reported: “Their defining essence is ‘entitlement, selfishness, a desire to complain’,” according to Heather Suzanne Woods, a meme researcher and professor at Kansas State University.

    “A Karen ‘demands the world exist according to her standards with little regard for others, and she is willing to risk or demean others to achieve her ends’.” …

  466. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2020 9:29 am

    global scolding movement

    Oooh, look, I’ve been SCOLDED ROFL

    BACK IN YER TRENCHES PUSSIES!

  467. Tony permalink
    May 25, 2020 9:30 am

    Well, sometimes

    Every time. Like I said, any government. All such agreements should be transparent. If something needs to be hidden from ratepayers/taxpayers, it shouldn’t be done. If there’s nothing to hide, don’t hide it.

  468. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2020 9:37 am

    Every time.

    You’re very quiet about this governments hiding of … everything, and yet very vocal when a murdoch drone in the US yells about something

    Their defining essence is ‘entitlement, selfishness, a desire to complain

    Is he referring to the people complaining about not being able to see their mothers on mothers day?

    Or those that can’t work a Kindle?

    Sorry, not clicking, cos he’s a fuckwit

  469. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 25, 2020 10:00 am

    I suppose we should all shut-up and hope for a good social credit score from Xi Pooh Bear and the CCP. Otherwise forget a tertiary education in Australia.

  470. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 25, 2020 10:20 am

    The Conversation:

    Australia has 14 Confucius Institutes at 13 universities and one in the New South Wales Department of Education. There are also 67 Confucius Classrooms, which support Chinese language education in schools. These are usually attached to a Confucius Institute.

    I wonder how many of these august institutions offer units on the death of millions Chinese in the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, the hero of Tienanmen Square or China’s exemplary role in harvesting organs from political prisoners. Maybe they have pushed those topics aside to focus on the plight o f the Uighurs?

  471. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 25, 2020 10:23 am

    While Australian institutions are cowering cretins in the face of CCP tyranny, once we were giants:

  472. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 25, 2020 10:25 am

    Pssst, don’t criticse the CCP, it might upset them (and Dan Jong Un):

  473. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2020 10:25 am

    BTW it might help if you were a bit more specific when trying to make one of your completely apolitical comments. That way people might be able to work out WTF you’re talking about.

    I knew immediately … and … either you did and chose to ignore it – or you did and you chose to obfuscate – or you didn’t and you’re not as knowledgeable as you thought. 🙂

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/andrew-robb-quits-china-linked-firm-before-foreign-interference-law-kicks-in-20190219-p50yv0.html

  474. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2020 10:34 am

    A Karen(s) explainer.

    Does that describe, ToM, or what?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I suppose we should all shut-up

    I’m with Pavlou, sb!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I wonder how many of these august institutions etc … I agree and also wonder how much Federal taxpayer money is involved?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Pssst, don’t criticse the CCP, it might upset them (and Dan Jong Un):

    And Turkey invades Greece …

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/turkish-troops-invade-greece-and-occupy-small-patch-of-land-near-river-evros/news-story/da06619fc50cc4c27d0654841bd27eec

    How to take advantage of disruption and chaos …

  475. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2020 10:54 am

    <i.Does that describe, ToM, or what?

    It’s got him down to a tee, hasn’t it lol

  476. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 25, 2020 11:04 am

    “How to take advantage of disruption and chaos …”

    Never let a crisis go to waste!

  477. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2020 1:06 pm

    Sooty & Co need to tread carefully … and the World needs to shut Trump & The Minions down ASAP … he is fucking deranged and dangerous …

    https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/new-cold-war-china-raises-trade-tensions-with-us/news-story/ec5a716e2aa71047f6915e2e5de041e2

    I grew up amid the Cold War in Europe … no-one felt safe …

    Maybe time to look a Trade Deals with UK? Oh wait!

  478. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 25, 2020 1:38 pm

    he Turnbull government has refused to release an agreement it signed with China covering the controversial “Belt and Road Initiative” infrastructure program on the grounds Beijing does not want it made public.

    Turnbull just tweeted that he didn’t sign up to it.

  479. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2020 1:59 pm

    Turnbull just tweeted that he didn’t sign up to it.

    lol

    Trade Minister Steven Ciobo signed the memorandum of understanding last September

  480. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 25, 2020 2:09 pm

  481. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2020 2:49 pm

    lol, he quotes his book ROFL

  482. Tony permalink
    May 25, 2020 3:16 pm

    I’m totally against any fed, state or territory government signing up to the BRI. For some here, it depends on which party the particular government belongs to. If Chairman Dan of the PRV does it, it’s all good. Turnbull government – not so much.

  483. Walrus permalink
    May 25, 2020 3:39 pm

    “I wonder how many of these august institutions offer units on the death of millions Chinese in the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, the hero of Tienanmen Square ….”

    What are you talking about Splatter?

    10 years ago Mrs Walrus and her sister went on a tour of China without me. Although he was reluctant to talk about it their tour guide at Tienanmen Square assured them that “Tank Man” could be seen every day doing tai chi with his friends around 7am in a local park and lived very happily just around the corner from the Square and had raised a family.

    Then he exclaimed “So sorry I cant talk about this more”

    So there………………LOL

  484. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 25, 2020 3:42 pm

    “For some here, it depends on which party the particular government belongs to.”

    Better than the blame game might be first to see how far we are committed, what is our optimal position and how we can move there with least disruption. We should also tell the CCP stooges in universities, business and politics to stop it now. I dare say no amount of shame will stop them given the dollars involved but we should name and shame them and do whatever we can.

  485. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2020 3:44 pm

    For some here, it depends on which party the particular government belongs to.

    Yes, and when reminded about a certain party selling off a whole port to an entirely owned Chinese entity, you bring up a party that sold a port that had some of its backers in China

    Your mirror don’t look too good tosy 😉

  486. Walrus permalink
    May 25, 2020 3:46 pm

    “…….and the World needs to shut Trump & The Minions down ASAP … he is fucking deranged and dangerous …”

    He is exactly the man for the hour.

    We know how “appeasement” went last time around 81 plus years ago.

    More recently don’t forget Obama’s “red line”

    Trump (for all his many faults) is a seemingly unpredictable foe to the Chinese and that’s why his re-election is vital

  487. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 25, 2020 3:59 pm

    Those Chinese are so very generous! They’re going to give us a whole lot of money and expect nothing back! How good is that!!??

    Get on board everyone, it can’t last forever!

  488. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 25, 2020 4:07 pm

    ” that’s why his re-election is vital”

    I think the fact that Biden has already been bought and paid for by the CCP is reason enough. The Dems can’t be serious about running Biden.

  489. Tony permalink
    May 25, 2020 4:42 pm

    Mission Creep?

  490. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2020 5:18 pm

    Watch em squirm

  491. Tony permalink
    May 25, 2020 7:26 pm

    Obviously in Australia it should be Paul, or Barry. Or both.

  492. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 25, 2020 7:44 pm

    Here is Labor once again blowing up coal fired power stations. This time it is Victoria ALP blowing up Hazelwood

  493. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2020 9:54 pm

    What name should we choose instead?

    yomm?

  494. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2020 8:42 am

    What a great Australian

    You can see why the libs wanted to be the only cuntry to feed their miserable drivel of a ‘stimulus’ through the greedy hands of employers. The last people they ever want to help is the worker

  495. May 26, 2020 9:20 am

    “yomm?”

    😆

  496. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2020 9:36 am

    Not QANTAS????

    Victoria ALP blowing up Hazelwood

    Yippeeeeeeee!

  497. Tony permalink
    May 26, 2020 9:38 am

  498. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2020 9:38 am

    Never let a crisis go to waste!

    They’re not. They are using their inability to count to help unwind the super reforms of decades ago.

    It’s interesting to note that Paul Keating has more to do with supporting people today than the current government does

    Young Australians comprise the majority of people making early withdrawals from their superannuation, as the COVID-19 crisis sweeps through the economy.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/superannuation/2020/05/25/young-people-super-withdrawal/

  499. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2020 9:43 am

    Victoria ALP blowing up Hazelwood

    Yippeeeeeeee!

    Yea, perhaps they shoulda made it into a memorial or something instead?

  500. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2020 9:44 am

    * The reforms will simplify the thousands of qualifications and units of competency on offer, as well as they way they are funded.

    Read – tick and flick assessments … these are the dopes who watered down skills training in the first place!

    Rest of the marketing plan here …

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/coronavirus-in-australia-whats-in-the-pms-new-jobmaker-plan/news-story/974ee0d2d42ebbd797721ed28479d343

  501. Back`In`Black`Teabag permalink
    May 26, 2020 10:06 am

    Premier gladys has struggling to resist the noise inside the teaCaddy, picking fights with westcoast premier over closed border, even tho more than half of westcoast border is international.

  502. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2020 10:29 am

    Logic is with Clive Palmer in challenging the closure of the WA border (and Queensland)

    But emotionally, I say shut the borders permanently! Or at least just have one way traffic, that keeps WA & Queenslanders away from the civilised parts of the country.

  503. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2020 10:35 am

    these are the dopes who watered down skills training in the first place!

    They haven’t dumbed it down enough yet 😦

    the civilised parts of the country.

    You mean the ones who know how to operate a Kindle?

  504. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 26, 2020 10:54 am

    Fixed it: Or at least just have one way traffic, that keeps WA & Queenslanders fucking Victorians away from the civilised parts of the country.

  505. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 26, 2020 11:16 am

    Sage advice for pet lovers.

  506. Tony permalink
    May 26, 2020 11:26 am

  507. Tony permalink
    May 26, 2020 11:55 am

  508. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 26, 2020 12:23 pm

    WTF??? Antifa go out. And riot in a not to socially distant fashion. Because they want to stay locked in? I knew they were violent looneys but this looks like rioting for its own sake.

  509. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 26, 2020 12:24 pm

    …too .. At least they are wearing masks!

  510. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2020 1:03 pm

    From splats link


    The protestors who were permitted to be out were obeying social distancing protocols

    Then they sure as hell weren’t following their ‘merican compatriots example were they 😉

  511. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 26, 2020 1:39 pm

    I don’t have a lot of sympathy for the anti-lockdown lot and I certainly don’t agree with Antifa goons showing up to bash them (something Andy Ngo knows a bit about) and I don’t like the police using water canons. But if Anitfa is in favour of lockdowns you would think that they would stay locked down. I guess they couldn’t help themselves when they saw protesters they don’t like.

  512. Walrus permalink
    May 26, 2020 1:40 pm

    “…..and someone like my brother (an avid birder) politely asks her to put her dog on the leash.”

    What sort of absolute CUNT treats their dog like that ?

  513. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 26, 2020 1:48 pm

    “What sort of absolute CUNT treats their dog like that ?”

    Me. Let me explain. I have a small mincing cavoodle. She is good-natured but stupid. If she is not on a leash she will run out on the road and get killed. Thus when we go out walking she needs to be on a leash.

  514. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 26, 2020 2:47 pm

    US A-G William Barr recently said that it was extremely unlikely that Obama or Biden would be prosecuted over Obamagate. He also said (at about 2 mins):

    “What happened to the president, and I have said this many times, what happened to the president in the 2016 election in the first two years of his administration was abhorrent. It was a grave injustice and it was unprecedented in American history. The law enforcement and intelligence apparatus of this country were involved in advancing a false and utterly baseless Russian collusion narrative against the president. The proper investigative and prosecuted standards of the Department of Justice were abused, in my view, in order to reach a particular result.”

    I think that statement is correct. It is also why Barr is trying to keep the FBI out of the current election. This is an interesting time in US politics.

  515. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2020 6:32 pm

  516. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2020 6:33 pm
  517. Tony permalink
    May 26, 2020 7:56 pm

    PVO is such a smug cunt. You can bet he hasn’t taken one dollar pay cut for any of his jobs. Nor, as ScoMo pointed, have any public servants.

  518. Tony permalink
    May 26, 2020 8:52 pm

    OMFG! The Republicans won’t need to spend a cent on political ads. Just put this on high rotation. Biden’s in no fit state to run a newspaper stand let alone the ‘free world’.

  519. Tony permalink
    May 26, 2020 8:58 pm

  520. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2020 9:53 pm

    PVO is such a smug cunt.

    Not that I disagree, but you seem a bit precious there Karen.

  521. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 27, 2020 9:20 am

    “Accidentally” – sure it was!

    Google has come a long way from its “Do no evil” motto.

  522. Walrus permalink
    May 27, 2020 10:03 am

    “If she is not on a leash she will run out on the road and get killed. Thus when we go out walking she needs to be on a leash.””

    I’m not talking about whether the dog is leashed or not. It’s the way she drags the dog around almost at times strangling it.

    All dogs should be in harnesses anyway as it much easier to control them without putting any pressure on their neck. And they walk better as well.

  523. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2020 11:48 am

    I see that the government (and media, they can’t do this alone) are setting the Unions up as the fall guys for when people realize that a $60 Billion “oops” means something in the real world

  524. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2020 12:46 pm

    Yes, it’s a bad move to give the unions any say in government policy. Particularly a policy that they are interested in.

  525. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 27, 2020 12:59 pm

    “I’m not talking about whether the dog is leashed or not. “

    Sorry I took that the wrong way.

    My dog has a harness. But she still wriggles and has to be dragged back from stupidity every now and then.

  526. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2020 1:19 pm

    Yes, it’s a bad move to give the unions any say in government policy.

    I think you meant to say it’s a dumb fuck that believes anything the lying sack of shit says

    Morrison encouraged employer groups and unions to “put their weapons down” and insisted that the Coalition’s policy “never has been” to weaken trade unions.

    One of the first bills reintroduced after Morrison was re-elected was the ensuring integrity legislation, designed to increase powers to deregister unions and disqualify their officials.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/may/26/scott-morrison-walks-away-from-union-busting-integrity-bill

    Without Unions, they’f only have the immigrants, unemployed and destitute to go to war with.

  527. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2020 1:22 pm

    A dodgy dossier? How News Corp hyped a US government reading list into a China coronavirus ‘bombshell’

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/26/a-dodgy-dossier-how-news-corp-hyped-a-us-government-reading-list-into-a-china-coronavirus-bombshell

    So, the fires had newcorpse making up shit about firebugs, and covid has them making up shit about China.

    At least they are consistent, they just keep on making up shit.

    I remember when people were so proud that they made it free for everyone to read their made up shit.

  528. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 27, 2020 1:34 pm

    Video of cops murdering man:

  529. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 27, 2020 1:42 pm

    He was handcuffed at the time:

    The Minneapolis mayor, Jacob Frey, apologized to Floyd’s family on Tuesday morning, saying “[Floyd] should not have died.”

    “For five minutes we watched as a white officer pressed his knee to the neck of a black man,” Frey said. “For five minutes. This officer failed in the most basic human sense.

    The FBI and authorities in Minnesota announced on Tuesday they had launched an investigation into Floyd’s death, and the incident is being investigated by the FBI for possible civil rights violations. Four police officers involved in the incident have been fired.”

  530. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 27, 2020 4:16 pm

    There is something wrong with the cops in Minneapolis. An Australian woman was murdered there by an overzealous cop a couple of years ago.

  531. May 27, 2020 4:52 pm

    “If she is not on a leash she will run out on the road and get killed.”

    For a minute there I thought you were talking about Michaelia Cash.

  532. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2020 5:01 pm

    For a minute there I thought you were talking about Michaelia Cash.

    That’s a horrible association to make with dogs reb, for shame!

  533. May 27, 2020 6:21 pm

    😆

  534. Tony permalink
    May 27, 2020 10:59 pm

    According to these comments on Instagram, dog rescue took the dog back and she’s been suspended from her job.

  535. Tony permalink
    May 28, 2020 8:18 am

    ‘Planet Of The Humans’ EP Michael Moore & Director Jeff Gibbs Blast “Blatant Censorship” After Controversial Documentary Yanked From YouTube

    https://deadline.com/2020/05/planet-of-the-humans-pulled-youtube-michael-moore-jeff-gibbs-censorship-1202942938/?mc_cid=86ebd23789&mc_eid=85327a63aa

  536. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 28, 2020 9:34 am

    “But she still wriggles and has to be dragged back from stupidity every now and then.

    This one was actually a reference Eddy’s Girl – Kristina “Is it all over my face?” Kneely.

  537. Tom of Melbbourne permalink
    May 28, 2020 9:50 am

    Victorians have been fined for breaking coronavirus rules at almost triple the rate of any other state or territory, with almost 6000 people each receiving a $1652 penalty since COVID-19 restrictions were imposed.

    Victoria leads the way in-
    * Political grandstanding about the work of police
    * Lowest IQ for police
    * Fattest police
    * Most bullying police
    * Best attitude of “give me a law and I will impose it more than anyone wants”

    Go Victoria! Go Dan!!

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/ahead-on-penalties-victoria-leads-nation-on-covid-19-lockdown-fines-20200527-p54x0d.html

  538. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 28, 2020 9:53 am

    Interesting piece on Dan Andrews’ dong.

  539. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2020 10:40 am

  540. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2020 11:12 am

    yea, it’s got nothing to do with losing $60 Billion

    Austerity and victim blaming: Scott Morrison goes back to the old politics
    Richard Denniss
    The PM tries to shift responsibility for managing the economy to everyone besides his government

    Like a lost driver claiming to have deliberately taken the scenic route, Scott Morrison is desperate to make a fiscal virtue out of the Australian Tax Office’s $60bn administrative error. Just last week, the Treasury secretary, Steven Kennedy, was assuring the Senate that the unprecedented size of the government’s fiscal stimulus package was appropriate, given the unprecedented size of the recession we are headed into. But this week, after learning that jobkeeker was only providing half of the stimulus he had promised, Morrison is pretending that he never really wanted to spend the full $130bn on jobkeeper anyway.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/27/austerity-and-victim-blaming-scott-morrison-goes-back-to-the-old-politics

  541. Tony permalink
    May 28, 2020 11:27 am

    yea, it’s got nothing to do with losing $60 Billion

    I think you mean ‘saving’ $60 Billion.

  542. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 28, 2020 11:42 am

    Im glad the $60,000,000,000 was in the favour of taxpayers!

  543. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2020 11:42 am

    I think you mean ‘saving’ $60 Billion.

    If you think it’s ‘saving’ $60 Billion, then you must believe the rest of the stimulus is a total waste.

  544. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 28, 2020 11:57 am

    “waste” is a reasonable description in my view.

    And future generations won’t thank us for loading them up with debt. In much the same way that they won’t thank us for leaving them to deal with the consequences of excessive carbon emissions.

    (But what I don’t understand is why the “predictable” are so willing to load up the next couple of generations with debt, but have an entirely different view about emissions.)

  545. Tony permalink
    May 28, 2020 12:12 pm

    you must believe the rest of the stimulus is a total waste

    Yeah, pretty much.

  546. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 28, 2020 12:47 pm

    Unfortunately the nursing home residents themselves had no immunity:

  547. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2020 1:52 pm

    And future generations won’t thank us for forcing them to empty out their super accounts because the Government can’t support them through an emergency

    Yeah, pretty much.

    Sounds like our treasurer. And, if you are going to supply a financial windfall for employers stimulus payment, you better do it with heart and soul, or it’s all gonna be for nought

    Then again, that’ll be their fall back. “We did stimulus, and it didn’t work, so stimulus doesn’t work” Forgetting of course, that Labor provided a worlds best stimulus just a decade ago.

  548. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 28, 2020 2:27 pm

    Is it reasonable to point out that there’s an ethical inconsistency between being a zealot about the need to stop carbon emissions for the sake of future generations, while being entirely sanguine about passing on HUGE public debt to them?

    The HUGE public debt will, of course, limit their ability to address carbon emissions (as well as their pensions, other welfare, essential services…)

  549. Tony permalink
    May 28, 2020 2:34 pm

    Forgetting of course, that Labor provided a worlds best stimulus just a decade ago.

    Guffaw!

  550. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2020 2:46 pm

    entirely sanguine

    LINK!

    Guffaw!

    Well, we didn’t have a recession, did we. We cannot say the same with this government

  551. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 28, 2020 2:48 pm

    Forgetting of course, that Labor provided a worlds best stimulus just a decade ago.

    In 2007 unemployment was at 4%, the budget was a $20B surplus and govt debt was ZERO.

    Since then we have not run a surplus budget and racked up $400B of debt with more to come.

    We should have been running surplus budgets since 2013 but Australia did not want to do that.

    Shows u how great Howard/Costello were. Continually ran surplus budgets and reduced govt debt. Something no govt has done since 1972

  552. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 28, 2020 3:17 pm

    Yes, the government debt will be $60,000,000,000 less than anticipated a couple of months ago.

    But the ALP is looking for reasons to spend it, not to reduce the burden on the next generation.

    Why is that? When on emissions reduction policy, the ALP won’t accept that we can pass on our legacy to the future.

    It’s an ethical inconsistency.

  553. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2020 3:34 pm

    Why is that?

    Because, as any economist worth their weight will tell you, recessions are cheaper to prevent, than to recover from

    And that’s without bringing the human cost into it. You know, how a week ago you were oh so worried about people committing suicide, but you don’t seem to care if it’s their losing their jobs because of a deep recession that causes it

  554. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2020 3:58 pm

  555. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 28, 2020 4:01 pm

    …any economist…

    Really? Any economist? Link to them all please!

    Debt without a clear plan to take responsibility for it is just profligate spending.

    Rather than wanting to release future generations of $60,000,000,000 of debt, the ALP is looking to spend it.

    But you don’t address yourself to the effect this debt will have on the ability of future generations to deal with any crisis they may experience.

    We’re spending the their money, and therefore their limiting opinions in dealing with their crises.

  556. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2020 4:41 pm

    Debt without a clear plan to take responsibility for it is just profligate spending.

    You know Labor had a clear path back to surplus, and would have made it with the economic conditions the libs blew away

    ………..

    Only cos yomm was shit at footy

  557. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2020 4:54 pm

  558. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 28, 2020 5:30 pm

    “”””””””””””””You know Labor had a clear path back to surplus, and would have made it with the economic conditions the libs blew away”””””””””””””

    U need to enter a mental asylum. Since Whitlam trashed the budget in the early 1970’s and started runaway debt only one govt since then has reduced debt. Howard/Costello

    Furthermore the traitors to Australia, the immoral ALP blocked any attempts to get the budget back into surplus. Coalition tried in May 2014 to balance the budget but the ALP scum blocked everything.

  559. Walrus permalink
    May 28, 2020 5:31 pm

    “……………..but you don’t seem to care if it’s their losing their jobs because of a deep recession that causes it”

    Says the one that wanted a complete and total lockdown (ala NZ) in the earlier stages of the pandemic.

    Your world of hypocrisy always astounds

  560. Walrus permalink
    May 28, 2020 5:34 pm

    “You know Labor had a clear path back to surplus, and would have made it………….”

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  561. May 28, 2020 5:37 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  562. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 28, 2020 6:19 pm

    No use looking in the rear vision mirror. The ALP wants to increase the already HUGE deficit. Load up future generations with even more debt

    I think if a party chooses to increase debt, it has to advocate how to pay it off.

    And…why are you willing to leave a huge debt legacy, limiting policy options, but have an entirely different view about emissions reduction?

  563. Tony permalink
    May 28, 2020 7:40 pm

  564. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 28, 2020 7:56 pm

    I think if a party chooses to increase debt, it has to advocate how to pay it off

    I hear you. Personally i have lost interest in the Coalition when they elected Turnbull as leader

    But my beliefs have never changed. ALP/Greens and their supporters destroy the lives of people

    So where do i go? i could never vote ALP/Greens because they lock up children. 8,469 last time. 80,000 next time

    Interesting times

  565. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2020 9:15 pm

    Says the one that wanted a complete and total lockdown (ala NZ)

    And NZ has done better than anyone else has.

    Also, I did say we should close schools, luckily, the states did

    I said we should close businesses, luckily the states did

    If we had followed the path morrison wanted, who knows how many infections we would have had, and how many resultant deaths. We were lucky that everyone BUT the government took it seriously, and ignored the government, who were busy working out if 130 was the same as 70 or not.

  566. Tony permalink
    May 29, 2020 5:54 am

  567. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 29, 2020 8:14 am

    “And NZ has done better than anyone else has.”

    Don’t sell Australia short!*

    Country Deaths/million
    Belgium 821
    UK 569
    US 315
    NZ 4.5
    Australia 4.1
    Taiwan 0.3

    *it doesn’t matter if we win or lose so long as we beat New Zealand

  568. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 29, 2020 8:29 am

    American Journal of Epidemiology:

    “Five studies, including two controlled clinical trials, have demonstrated significant major outpatient treatment efficacy. Hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin has been used as standard-of-care in more than 300,000 older adults with multicomorbidities, with estimated proportion diagnosed with cardiac arrhythmias attributable to the medications 47/100,000 users, of which estimated mortality is <20%, 9/100,000 users, compared to the 10,000 Americans now dying each week. These medications need to be widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe.

  569. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2020 9:36 am

    it doesn’t matter if we win or lose so long as we beat New Zealand

    I get the feeling we bowled an underarm again

  570. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 29, 2020 9:53 am

    “Ministerial staff phone records not examined”

    Surely you don’t believe they actually wanted to find out who did it?

  571. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2020 10:10 am

    Surely you don’t believe they actually wanted to find out who did it?

    I’m pretty sure the pigs said that from the get go 😦

  572. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2020 10:26 am

  573. Walrus permalink
    May 29, 2020 10:29 am

    “I said we should close businesses, luckily the states did…”

    What a load of BS.

    Plenty of businesses operated as normal with the exception of travel and hospitality (with the exception of takeaways).

    You wanted to lock everyone up

  574. Walrus permalink
    May 29, 2020 10:46 am

    Good to see Oberst Gruppenfuhrer Andrews getting his rocks off with more fines. He loves locking people up.

    https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-lockdown-restrictions-could-ease-sooner-than-thought/live-coverage/417b5f562a3bd66af26c57ac5d2d3e97

  575. Tony permalink
    May 29, 2020 11:21 am

    A different take on the Central Park dog case …

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/the-central-park-dog-case-is-covington-2-0/

  576. Tony permalink
    May 29, 2020 11:38 am

    The shutdown to ‘fix’ the health crisis is directly responsible for the economic crisis, while the ‘stimulus’ is merely delaying the consequences.

    https://m.marketscreener.com/AUSTRALIA-AND-NEW-ZEALAND-6492549/news/APRA-Preparing-for-Potential-Fallout-When-Government-Relief-Measures-End-30684224/

  577. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2020 11:39 am

    Plenty of businesses operated as normal

    As normal?

    I think you will find NO business operated “as normal”

  578. Walrus permalink
    May 29, 2020 12:09 pm

    You obviously don’t get out much. Plenty operated as normal.

  579. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2020 1:17 pm

    maybe you can supply some details then, because even hardware and service stations had distancing rules etc

  580. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2020 1:26 pm

    laughed, I almost died 🙂

  581. Walrus permalink
    May 29, 2020 1:58 pm

    Agriculture, Aquaculture, Construction, Finance, Retail, Wholesale, Manufacturing, Freight need I go on. Social distancing did not drop turnover.

    You would have shut down all those industries.

    But your usual strategy is to conveniently forget your previous position as per usual.

  582. Walrus permalink
    May 29, 2020 2:02 pm

    “laughed, I almost died”

    Good to see you have not budged from your usual anti semitism

  583. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2020 2:32 pm

    Social distancing did not drop turnover

    That’s NOT what you said.

    Although, I don’t think any business didn’t see a change in turnover.

    And, while I was a big supporter of lockdown, that does NOT equate to stopping business. We locked down personally, but I have worked right throughout (one of the lucky ones). And even full lockdown countries had ‘essential’ services running. But all were impacted, to some degree. ie, postal saw an explosion in business.

    Good to see you have not budged from your usual anti semitism

    What the ACTUAL fuck?

  584. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2020 2:38 pm

    Another famous anti Semite (apparently ?)

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/22/sacha-baron-cohen-facebook-propaganda

  585. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 29, 2020 3:17 pm

    I thought Alter was extremely funny. As is the Babylon Bee!

  586. Walrus permalink
    May 29, 2020 3:43 pm

    “And, while I was a big supporter of lockdown, that does NOT equate to stopping business”

    Oh really…………………………………..?

    “Tom R PERMALINK
    March 18, 2020 9:40 am

    If you want to fuck your economy up then ….. do what Italy did and wait, until you are FORCED to lock your economy up”

  587. Walrus permalink
    May 29, 2020 4:01 pm

    And of course you posted this……………………

    “Doctors on the front lines are pleading with our leaders to shut everything down. Why won’t they listen? ”

    What part of that would you like to now back away from ?

  588. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2020 4:02 pm

    If you want to fuck your economy up then ….. do what Italy did and wait, until you are FORCED to lock your economy up

    OK, if you assume “FORCED to lock your economy up” equate to shutting down absolutely everything as a precaution, you are delusional. What I clearly said was, if you don’t shut down early, it will be worst in the long run. We did shut down most things, schools included. but even countries in full lockdown had some businesses running, very similar to what we did. New Zealand went further than us, but it still operated many ‘essential’ services

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/full-list-essential-businesses-during-coronavirus-lockdown

  589. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2020 4:05 pm

    Just what do you have to do to get sacked from this mob?

    Something right?

  590. Walrus permalink
    May 29, 2020 5:21 pm

    “OK, if you assume “FORCED to lock your economy up” equate to shutting down absolutely everything as a precaution, you are delusional.”

    Absolute garbage.

    You chose to draw a direct comparison with Italy which did in fact shutdown everything except for food shops and medical. All retail, wholesale, manufacturing and construction was shut down.

    The only time you could emerge from your house in Italy was to go to the NEAREST grocery store. You were not even permitted to travel to an adjoining suburb.

    You are the one that’s delusional in thinking that using Italy as an example of “FORCED to lock your economy up” means something else other than total shutdown.

    Your words have come back to haunt you………….again

    So don’t go bleating about job losses when you wanted nothing less than leaving our economy as a smoking ruin.

  591. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2020 5:28 pm

    All retail, wholesale, manufacturing and construction was shut down.

    Yes, Italy was forced to lock everything up, yes, that’s what I said, and what I meant, if you DON’T lockdown, you will end up like Italy, shutting everything down. Not sure what part of the English language is confusing you here?

    As you can see, even New Zealands total lockdown didn’t do what Italy was forced to do.

    America and England won’t either, they’ll just keep killing their citizens.

    Our government may be a corrupt, hapless mess, but those two are in a different league altogether

  592. Walrus permalink
    May 29, 2020 5:34 pm

    You can back pedal as furiously as you like but when you post crap like this

    “Italy had 650 cases on Feb 27. Today they hit 35713 & hospitals are over run. Doctors on the front lines are pleading with our leaders to shut everything down. Why won’t they listen?”

    It’s absolutely clear that you advocated it…………………but keep pedaling you aint fooling anybody.

  593. Tom R permalink
    May 29, 2020 6:55 pm

    Why won’t they listen?

    Well, they did. It was soon after that the states ignored the pm and closed schools and most other things.

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