Goodbye Alan Jones: You Fucking Toad
- Alan Jones dressed as a ‘Golden Gaytime’ enjoys a cuppa with resident nutter Mark Latham
COLOURFUL radio personality, Alan Jones has finally been booted from radio 2GB after decades of spewing filth and vitriol to his tiny audience of disgruntled racists and poncy twats.
Jones, just shy of turning 80, called it a day this morning dedicating his final show to his “loyal, supportive and sometimes critical” listeners.
“My listeners have been wonderful,” he said.
“The program is nothing more really than a great big family.”
His so-called “radio career” was often mired in controversy such as the Cash for Comment affair where he and fellow broadcaster John Laws accepted personal payments from companies for unscripted promotion of their products on air.
In 2012 he was forced to issue a grovelling apology for saying then Labor PM Julia Gillard’s father John had ‘died of shame’ at a Young Liberals function.
He then called for Australia’s first female PM to be ‘put in a chaff bag’ and thrown out sea.
Just last year he called for Prime Minister Scott Morrison to ‘shove a sock down the throat’ of New Zealand leader Jacinda Ardern, after she criticised Australia’s stance on climate change.
Those comments saw a mass exodus of advertisers, some of them never returning. More than 500 advertisers pulled their money out of 2GB and our sources say the program lost half its revenue.
With Jones on a $4m salary he quickly became a liability, despite his ratings popularity amongst the pearl necklace and pursed lips set.
It was nice of 2GB’s owners Nine Radio to afford the old codger the opportunity to resign (dis)gracefully.
theguttertrash.com 
chaff bags at the ready to see the toad off 🙂
With Bill Shorten, even when you lose, you win 🙂
Thanks for the tweet TomR. I replied
Robodebt was started by Bill Shorten/LABOR in 2011
Then the man has the hide to mention suicides which never happened.
Labor is an EVIL party. Same goes for the people who vote for that abomination of a Party.
Het Splatterbum- R U around??
You can get stuffed as well. U made fun of me when i said Labor introduced Robodebt
“…………..after decades of spewing filth and vitriol to his tiny audience”
“tiny” ?
LOL……………You don’t get paid $4M per year for tiny
“””””””””””LOL……………You don’t get paid $4M per year for tiny””””””””””””
The sad thing is the ABC gets $1B/year of taxpayers money and is destroying the jobs of newspapers in regional towns
Alan Jones has his problems like we all do but he helped people. He did a humungous amount of charity work free of charge
Nice photo. Does anyone know where I could buy one of those gold jackets? The brown trousers go well with it.
Mark Latham looks well, what a pity he was never an ALP Prime Minister.
“Does anyone know where I could buy one of those gold jackets? The brown trousers go well with it.”
I reckon you could totally rock that look YoM. As for stockists, we’d best ask TB.
Alan Jones had his problems like we all do. But when people wanted help they went to AJ and he helped out
He did more charity work free of charge than all the people who post here combined
what a pity he was never an ALP Prime Minister.
Yea, imagine that, a pm only half as bad as the one we have now.
It’s Friday, time to reveal another monumental stuff up. This one was warned of, pleaded for, and finally forced on by a court of law. They call themselves xtians. Well, they remind me of a lot of xtians lately. If yor a xtian and that upsets you, take it up with ya flock, not us heathens
The federal government has finally agreed to pay back hundreds of thousands of people who were hit with unlawful and incorrect Centrelink debts over a four-year period through the Coalition’s botched robodebt scheme.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/may/29/robodebt-government-to-repay-470000-unlawful-centrelink-debts-worth-721m?CMP=share_btn_tw
of course, the “over a four-year period ” bit will completely fly past some of the slower ones 😉
“””””””””””””over a four-year period through the Coalition’s botched robodebt scheme.”””””””””””
In 2016 Coalition changed the method of determine income in Labors Robodebt scheme to income averaging. Apparently that is wrong. Not sure why income averaging is illegal but Robodebt started in 2011 when Shorten/ALP replaced humans with computers to data match between the ATO and Centrelink
(…changed the method…apparently this is wrong…not sure why…but…
Mmmhmm)
“Not sure why income averaging is illegal”
I explained this to you in an earlier thread. Alternatively, you could have made your own fucking inquiries before dribbling last night’s felched santorum onto the page.
Put simply, average fortnightly income for a year does not tell you how much income you earned in a particular fortnight. It is illegal for the government to demand money from you in respect of a particular fortnight when it doesn’t know whether you had any income at all in that particular fortnight.
Alternatively, you could have made your own fucking inquiries before dribbling last night’s felched santorum onto the page.
OK but why do people call income averaging Robodebt? Furthermore i do not like the way left wing journals have published the policy change.
The ABC published how many people died since the changes were made in 2016. Why did it do that? The ABC did not say the 2,030 who died was due to income averaging but implied it. That quickly morphed into a direct link for those deaths. Then that morphed into all 2,030 committed suicide. Turns out 2,030 people dying out of 900,000 who received notices is a normal death rate for a population that size
The Three Stooges
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/may/29/all-the-best-alan-jones-signs-off-radio-career-with-tributes-from-his-political-fans
I reckon you could totally rock that look YoM. As for stockists, we’d best ask TB.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Men-Adult-Christmas-Costumes-Suit-Funny-Bachelor-Party-Suit-Jacket-with-Tie-Xmas/122750011463?var=423898408826&hash=item1c94788847:g:6DoAAOSwTbNb0kyU
Or you could splash out!
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Devil-Fashion-Mens-Long-Gothic-Waistcoat-Coat-Jacket-Black-Gold-Damask-Steampunk/142733275947?var=441731449131&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item213b90f32b:m:mg29PAImkHkwqW5iTnQ6daA&enc=AQAEAAACcIQvEcHUrT7nmUC3yY5qbPyaBN1nJEDYW8MyypsJPgXKHmdOb0Hvt2KXhPJ5RDcy3xxP3AvhqCznVN067iZEpJuvB5ryQn9vDq%2BznAEZjRC61vDOhykBYKhwNnndWZ7UHiWhKsCLLoHsk0bdqGjW4eR1tCfuahbk8xr0xE86M%2FKJSajejUQ5Quat%2BmR8EhlAxLdMkyXVECPI6ih3VAD94jeL%2BDupRSopi3PbSbrGbJj3nLmlKAYQAiaFBWA3RGp3ddIWxb1mQAddTxy4OjMsqLJo5JK%2FJqCI%2FR1BMNElT%2FjgUEvSzTI9Ualj98NmcmfvvlOGGqeBS1U9x6PRQUAdTKIUTv6KstB6FH1TAZA6FkGDmJesNAyqIezhlWrJm9E3pchNQ8FTdLE4VO34fR%2BiJme%2B6M9e4g%2BS6816xfKWr0Qb9kzYF0nw9mBsQRxJHob6IyxPUePIyMgVs14cwd2vtZjHF%2BClqBLZBz6DHVTT1Bov4nT9SJYTDrijAtJgGblfydxvFLVT0Q1pkajq%2F%2B%2FHSybFFqFKerGV18uglZc26PEH7FvoUdKTfvk980JXloXrMZmfYv03D1Ii6G8cvdDWDfR1QtTjfb2YhiJAkwPuBA14R4UhGoa6i%2BMDikTscsNFjaZJqezUZOZWcr6Vc0ewcFxBakMaTvIckzDHWsp2%2F8vezg9QzcF1Ljfrhh85tSYECDzd0R%2B%2BHxGypkgX%2FT0a0Eu9wzy8fhaT2UNWytXk5rC8TtwK2zRyLV7jVo2Yl8tbhj%2F8svNYXXGqB%2FZQwF56YT0TkMhbCx%2BcZ0RHAqp84JU35OFw1920c2iFiVCeAwYB0A%3D%3D&checksum=142733275947357b2990c44c4c3c8f3af1a07161b5ff
Or just find yer fkn own!
Ooops forgot! 😳
https://www.lowes.com.au/
So, centrestink are soon to be renamed RubeGoldberg
Just as nil takes up his position as thinker in residence at the ipa
You’re right TB, I think Lowes always has your style
https://www.lowes.com.au/m-concept-paisley-jacket-gold-black-48834
America is just blowing itself up
Antifa, never wanting crisis to go to waste, have made their move.
Meanwhile Downunder, I’m sure SA and the Greens are waiting jealously for their moment to arrive.
Yea, Antifa were just lurking in hte shadows for a racist prick to KILL a black man.
You’ve read too many conspiracy theories splats.
I guess Antifa set this guy loose too?
Do you really think this is all spontaneous, Tom R?
Depends what you mean by ‘all’ hey splats 😉
Yes, the initial response WAS spontaneous.
Of course, vested interests from both sides will now try and use it. I have reports of trump supporters taking over demonstrations and beginning to trash buildings, then legging it and leaving the initial protestors to take the blame.
And the cops themselves are atrocious, they make our pigs look tame, and I call ours pigs that because they have earned that name, as shown by their protection of the liberal party, and their soft touch on nazis when compared to the violence against green demonstrations.
But the scale of this shows it’s many ordinary people just sick and fed up with the status quo
Pretty for a white guy:
Could not have put this better myself.
Don’t like the term Neoliberalism then a quote from J. K. Galbraith should suffice:-
“The modern conservative is not even especially modern. He is engaged, on the contrary, in one of man’s oldest, best financed, most applauded, and, on the whole, least successful exercises in moral philosophy. That is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”
Splatter
Where is your video of blacks hunting white groups from burning and looting stores in their towns. Why is CNN burning if you think it is all Antifa? After all CNN is supposedly Antifas mouthpiece media. Their is bad on both sides and the white supremacy groups are doing all they can to burn, loot and destroy and cause anarchy just as much as any other side. Only fools and blind idiots see one side of a story when their is so much evidence that both sides are involved.
Tom R: “Depends what you mean by ‘all’ hey splats”
You sound like Bill Clinton: “it depends on what the meaning of ‘is’ is”
You must be so pleased this pig is dead.
Shane, I have seen nothing that indicates “white supremacists” have any substantial role in the riots and looting. When I was young and foolish I ran with a Trot sect. This is right out of their playbook. When the arrests are made and it all comes out in the wash I think you’ll find that the organisers are children from privileged families. And don’t you find it funny how the usual leftist trash (including Biden staffers) want to post bail for “white supremacists”.
Now this guy is my kind of white supremacist:
Why would Hollywood celebrities support “white supremacists”?
Looks Like we were both wrong, Shane – it was the Russians:
(Susan Rice was the deluded bint who peddled the lie that Benghazi was a spontaneous reaction to a video.)
Shane, I have seen nothing that indicates “white supremacists” have any substantial role in the riots and looting
That’s because you have eyes wide shut
#Sportsrorts has been left in the dust
I’d like to know a little more about the “sources” Tom R claims. Are his “sources” twitter?
I have a couple of friends in the Venice Beach part of LA, they are left Democrats and strong Bernie supporters. They can’t stand Trump and his supporters. They don’t make the observations that Tom R claims.
I’d like to know a little more about the “sources” Tom R claims
Try clicking the link professor
(Why would Hollywood celebrities support “white supremacists”?
Good question.)
Yeah! And perhaps you’ll recall that I ALWAYS say what a great job the police do…
Where is the stuff about white supremacists doing all the looting, destroying property?
This is a stark thread (not fact checked for professors)
Where is the stuff about white supremacists doing all the looting, destroying property
There we go with the “all” again ffs
Like I said yomm, click the link, it goes on a long way, but nobody claim “all”, except dumbasses who want to ignore reality
Good Answer ivi
Yes, and the Victorian police would behave in exactly the same way if they had the opportunity.
They issued 3 times as may fines for isolation breaches as other states, there are plenty of examples of over the top policing – and that’s because their recruitment pool is-
* fat
* dumb
* lazy
* resentful bullies
Police like soft targets, and easy laws to impose. Stuff that doesn’t require intelligence or judgement or hard work
Yes, and the Victorian police would behave in exactly the same way if they had the opportunity.
I don’t disagree. They were the ones throwing white power symbols at climate change protesters and shaking hands with nazis
not sure what your point is
Police just want soft targets. That’s why they love protests and isolation regulations.
I’m sure the only problem they have with isolation regulations is that there are limited opportunities to use batons.
As predicted.
https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/state-of-emergency-extended-to-keep-slowing-the-spread/
BACK IN YER TRENCHES!
meanwhile, let the government rort as they please
Thanks for the Tom Lehrer link ivi. Haven’t listened to him in years. My favourites are Lobachevsky and “It makes a fellow proud to be a soldier.”
For those interested here is the charging document against Chauvin.
Russians at it again:
But just show me where ALL truck drivers are deranged idiots
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/06/01/george-floyd-tanker-protests/
yea, this grubmints really gonna work closely with Unions to help out workers, right 😉
Any employee who wrongly received money through the JobKeeper scheme could have their future pay docked, with Treasury warning that employers who made incorrect claims are entitled to claw back the funds from their staff.
https://www.smh.com.au/money/tax/employers-could-dock-staff-pay-to-claw-back-incorrect-jobkeeper-payments-20200529-p54xwd.html
JobKeeper is going to get nasty when they start with the audits. Giving free money as a matter of urgency and later they start screwing people when they begin to count the cost.
Giving free money as a matter of urgency and later they start screwing people when they begin to count the cost.
Yep, all those crowing about the polls right now, it’s gonna flip harder than their snap back, and they wanna snap back hard.
I wonder how far the ALP will take this?
Both legally and politically.
“”””””””””””””I wonder how far the ALP will take this?”””””””””””””””””‘
Me too. I wonder how far Labor will ramp up the hatred? Some Labor supporters are saying there were 2,030 suicides. You should see the anger.
Fact is after Coalition made changes to Labors Robodebt scheme in 2016 notices were sent to 900,000 people and 2,030 peope died. A normal death rate for a population that size. Nothing sinister.
Apparently it is unacceptable to call coronavirus the “Chinese flu” , but on Australian Story tonight it was all about the “Spanish flu” , I suppose the people of Spain aren’t quite as sensitive as the Chinese
Apparently yes yomm, the Spanish were extremely upset about the naming, especially because, from what I have read, it came about because they, unlike many other countries, didn’t try to hide the numbers of infected.
Of course, we could NOT learn from mistakes, and make them all over again. 😉
Shame on the ABC then!
Shame on the ABC
No shit
It’s what happens when a conservative puppet is put in charge, after years of other conservative puppets being in charge
I take it then, Tom R, that you will join me in calling for the abolition of the extremely biased ABC.
Looks like its not the Russians after all:
““The real hard-core guys, this is their job: They’re involved in this struggle,” said Adam Leggat, a former British Army counterterrorism officer who now works as a security consultant specializing in crowd management for the Densus Group. “They need protests on the street to give them cover to move in.” ….
Leggat, the security consultant, said intelligence reports from his colleagues indicate most of the hard-core protesters in Minneapolis are far-left or anarchists, and that far-right groups have not yet made a significant appearance.“
From WaPo by the author of “Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook”:
“Based on my research into antifa groups, I believe it’s true that most, if not all, members do wholeheartedly support militant self-defense against the police and the targeted destruction of police and capitalist property that has accompanied it this week. I’m also confident that some members of antifa groups have participated in a variety of forms of resistance during this dramatic rebellion.
Mark Bray is a historian of human rights, terrorism and political radicalism in modern Europe at Rutgers University. He is the author of “Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook.”
No Russians here either.
that you will join me in calling for the abolition of the extremely biased ABC
Yes, wholeheartedly
Get it back to its charter, and get the liberal toadies out of there!
And don’t worry, there are enough vested groups who want to cause chaos in America to share around. Even the instigators are still instigating
https://www.vox.com/2020/6/1/21276669/protests-george-floyd-police-brutality-brooklyn-seattle
Fascists protecting Fascists
Andrew Crow, the head of design for Facebook’s Portal video-phone, tweeted: “Giving a platform to incite violence and spread disinformation is unacceptable, regardless who you are or if it’s newsworthy. I disagree with Mark’s position and will work to make change happen.”
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jun/01/facebook-workers-rebel-mark-zuckerberg-donald-trump?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
I did see a post the other day which asked, if you are anti anti fascist, what are you?
Many of those the most vocal against antifa also seem to be those who are the most vocal against the politicians who didn’t go hard enough on Hitler in the early days. Interesting juxtaposition, on both sides.
Whats the difference between China controlling protesters who are causing damage and Donald Trump controlling protesters who are causing damage. Funny that the right have attacked China for control and support the demonstrators yet support Donald to control and suppress the demonstrators. Seems that it depends where the individual and their money comes from. Me, I think both sides have valid points and can see the hypocrisy that unrolls when the right want to attack any non democratic government for suppressing demonstrators while at the same time vigorously supporting the supression of demonstrators in their own neck of the woods.
“Whats the difference between China controlling protesters who are causing damage and Donald Trump controlling protesters who are causing damage.”
It’s the difference between communism and democracy.
In a democracy you can vote out the government. No need for violence unless you don’t give a shit about what the majority want and want to impose your own anti-democratic agenda.
Under a communist dictatorship like China there is no option to vote out the CCP.
In any event I don’t like the limited amount of violence that has occurred in HK. It is certainly more justified and on a tiny scale compared to the coup being attempted by Antifa.
Tom R, I don’t like violent thugs of any stripe so there is nothing about Antifa that I like. Their name stands for Anti First Amendment. It seems that their stated goal is to use violence to shut down opposing views.
Their name stands for Anti First Amendment..
And, for further comedy…. (I’m hoping it’s comedy you are attempting)
Where did this come from, the fascists? Rewriting history BEFORE it happens ROFL
As demonstrations spread from Minneapolis to the White House, New York City and overseas, federal law enforcement officials insisted far-left groups were stoking violence. Meanwhile, experts who track extremist groups also reported seeing evidence of the far-right at work.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/as-riots-spread-officials-fear-extremists-are-fanning-the-flames-20200601-p54y8n.html
Interesting that the law enforcement that has been caught on camera instigating incidents themselves blame only ‘teh’ left, when it’s been quite obviously a broad sweep of vested interests agitating.
What’s #bunkerboy doing today I wonder?
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“The most spectacular fleeing”
Oh reb, between that, and “Anti First Amendment”, my sides are killing me 🙂
I suppose I’ll have to block off the glory hole in my front door then?
Today’s talking point – variations on this theme in all the usual leftist media outlets.
Then there is the talking point that Antifa is just a loose collection of people not an organisation as such and so can’t be designated a terrorist organisation. Funnily enough, according to CNN it has a “Metropolitan Anarchist Coordinating Council”.
“In New York’s Union Square on May Day, a masked member of the Antifa group Metropolitan Anarchist Coordinating Council told CNN why he wore black bloc and waved a black flag.
“We cover our face because the Nazis will try to find out who we are. And that is a very bad thing because they harass people,” he said. “We’re trying to stop them from organizing. … When they organize, they kill people, they hurt people, they fight people. And we’re the ones who are fighting back.”
It’s a position taken by many Antifa activists: “This is self-defense.”
Antifa activists often don’t hesitate to destroy property, which many see as the incarnation of unfair wealth distribution.
“Violence against windows — there’s no such thing as violence against windows,” a masked Antifa member in Union Square told CNN. “Windows don’t have — they’re not persons. And even when they are persons, the people we fight back against, they are evil. They are the living embodiment, they are the second coming of Hitler.””
Also from the CNN article:
“Antifa members also sometimes launch attacks against people who aren’t physically attacking them. The movement, Crow said, sees alt-right hate speech as violent, and for that, its activists have opted to meet violence with violence.”
So basically if some dumb entitled child of privilege doesn’t like what you say s/he can use violence to shut you up. As I said Anti First Amendment.
Up until a week ago the Fake News Media was accusing people of going to the beach and not social distancing. Now it seems looting and rioting is much more important than Grandma in the nursing home.
The “white nationalists” (or was it Russians?) who attacked this journalist should be ashamed of themselves. Who let the dogs out?
Not sure this is helpful:
This Democrat turd is A-G of Minnesota:
Holy Shit splatter, he’s read the book ….. you linked to
Are you an Anti “First Amendment” ( [lol] ) sympathiser?
variations on this theme in all the usual leftist media outlets.
It gets
worsebetter 😉The MSM coverage got The Bug to thinking how the Newscorp papers in particular would have treated the yarn if Bill Shorten and Labor had won the 2019 election.
At top is how we suspect The Australian – Rupert Murdoch’s pride and joy – would have handled the story in that case.
https://thebugonline.com.au/2020/06/02/a-scandal-rupe-for-the-picking/
Tom you are incorrect if you think criticising someone’s choice of literature is a first amendment issue. I don’t question his right to read the book or to espouse the ideas in it. I’m glad he is free to do so. But I am entitled to form an opinion about his choice of fairy tales.
So what do you propose to end the rioting, the violence against small business owners and the looting? Surely you would be pleased that President Trump seeks to uphold the law against all the white nationalists and Russians causing the trouble?
Finally you should be able to distinguish between demonstrating for democracy and rioting and looting and burning cities down because you hate democracy? Or not.
Too funny:
So what do you propose to end the rioting
Well, just perhaps, cops could stop beating everyone they see up. The President “could” make a speech to help bring people together.
And nameless toads on social media could stop assuming everyone antagonizing the situation is antifa, when there are so many accounts of it being from also the cops and right wing groups
Meanwhile, in ‘straya, how GOOD are recessions? We’re fucked with mob of dumbasses in control. Oh for a Swanee 🙂
Know doubt, theRonald is still the star of the show.
Ah splats, the babs were too slow to it. Life trumps satire, again (or is that trumps life satire?)
fuckan anterfa, right splats 😉 ?
“””””””””””””We’re fucked with mob of dumbasses in control. Oh for a Swanee””””””””””
SWan does not have a brain. During the GFC he just followed Public Service advice. For example that pink batts/home insulation scheme was presented to Costello as a energy saving scheme to reduce electricity bills. Costello rejected the program because he said the govt had no expertise in installing insulation into roofs.
Public Service resubmitted the proposal to Swan as a stimulus program during the GFC and Swan went for it. SWan just followed PS advice during the GFC something Costello would not have done
During the GFC he just followed Public Service advice.
Did we have a recession nil?
Thanks to Howard/Costello in 2007 unemployment was at 4% the lowest for a generation, the budget was a $20B surplus and the govt was debt free.
Since 2007 we have racked up $400B of debt and with the current extra spending a lot more debt to come. I suspect Morrison is just following PS advice just like Swan did.
Oh for Howard/Costello who had the wisdom to see the difference between a good program and a bad one
(Know doubt, theRonald is still the star of the show.
Ah, that’s the (anti/ante)THUG(S)4)life, innit?)
yes, the people who left us in structural deficit are the ones responsible, just like Labor is apparently responsible for morrison killing robodebt recipients
And just like Anti Fascists are responsible for giving a fascist just what he wants
“””””””””””””””yes, the people who left us in structural deficit are the ones responsible, just like Labor is apparently responsible for morrison killing robodebt recipients””””””””””””
My point was would it matter who was in power? Other than Howard/Costello most politicians follow PS advice.
And there was NO structural deficit in 2007. The budget was a $20B surplus and govt debt was ZERO. Since 2007 we have racked up $400B of govt debt and govt debt has gone from MINUS 3% of GDP ie less than zero to 19% of GDP now.
And ROBODEBT started in 2011 when Labor replaced humans with computers to do data matching between the ATO and Centrelink. In fact Labor under Graeme Richardson introduced data matching between the ATO and Centrelink in 1991
Well, finally restaurants are open, so I’ve been to my longtime favourite and took a 97 Mount Langi Ghiran Shiraz, plenty to celebrate!
And tomorrow, back to the coast!
Retirement will be better when people return to work
Retirement will be better when return to work
For them anyway
Looks like we were all wrong about who is behind this:
Looks like we were all wrong about who is behind this:
Or was it………… ?
Donald Trump has protesters including the religious clergy of the church near the White House removed with gas to have a photo opportunity with a bible. I think he has never opened a page of the bible and to hunt the leaders of the church where he is having his photo op simply shows the utter dictatorship of this man and his total disregard for decency, humanity, empathy or actually any emotion other than hatred and anger.
Splatter.
When over 3,000,000 more voted for the Democrats than the Republicans and you have the audacity to say it is a democracy.
Democracy is 1 vote 1 value.Nothing less.
If the majority of voters by number in a country does not elect the government then it is a gerrymander and not a democracy.
Maybe we need Antifa here (even though we don’t even have a first amendment, hey splats 😉 )
It sure looks fascist anyway
Shane, with the greatest of respect, that’s nonsense.
The USA has an electoral college and the president has to win a majority. That’s democratic.
Australia has a House of Representatives, and the government has to win a majority of the seats. That’s democratic.
In both cases of these democratic systems, the parties focus on marginal seats or states.
If both countries had a different system, one that simply involved winning a majority across the country, that would also be democratic. In both cases campaigning would be entirely different, there would be no focus or discussion about local issues, the national media would be even more important, as would major national contributors. There would be an even smaller level of grassroots campaigning.
But the current system of voting in both countries is democratic nonetheless.
During the past decade or so (and despite Trump) I’ve come to the conclusion that the US system of nomination and campaigning via primaries is far more suitable for a country like Australia than the inherited British system.
Of course, the electoral college itself is undemocratic
But that has both good and bad sides to it, same as ours
“Democracy is 1 vote 1 value.Nothing less.”
You are at least partly correct, Shane, in a narrow technical sense. One person one vote on every issue is the purest form of democracy which was seen in some Greek city states. If you have 1 person one vote for elected representatives that is representative government.
Although in a broad sense the US is a Democracy, it is certainly not in the narrow technical sense of the word.
Fareed Zakaria worte a good book addressing these issues. I liked his description of democracy as a political system including free speech, due process under law and representative government. This is a broader view of democracy and I think he gets it right.
The US is a constitutional republic. The founding fathers debated the matter at length and correctly (in my view) decided to form a constitutional republic.
The founding fathers were conservative in the proper sense. That is they wanted to make progress but with careful attention to what went before so as to learn the lessons from the past. By studying the ancient Greek and Roman forms of government they came up with what is broadly the first modern democracy. It has endured.
While the American revolution, being based in conservative values succeeded in producing a great country, the French revolution produced the opposite – the reign of terror and a military dictatorship. This is largely due to the character (or lack thereof of the French revolutionaries. The problem is that they were leftists. Instead of trying to learn for the past these arrogant fucking leftists decided to remake the world anew from year zero (like a later generation of leftists did in Cambodia).
What you see in the US now is horrible human beings trying to bring democracy (in the broad sense) down because they are dumb leftist cunts who think they have the right to impose their vision on the rest of the population.
While the American revolution, being based in conservative values succeeded in producing a great country, the French revolution produced the opposite – the reign of terror and a military dictatorship.
Of course, the yanks were fighting the English, and the French were fighting the …. French, it’s a little deeper that. Oh, and in the US, was soon followed by a bloody civil war. But hey, it’s all about ‘teh’ left, right?
What you see in the US now is horrible human beings trying to bring democracy (in the broad sense) down because they are dumb leftist cunts who think they have the right to impose their vision on the rest of the population.
Well, there was also this little thing about a guy being KILLED by the state, but hey, lets go with this instead 😉
Oh yea, and Anti First Amendment ROFL
Although, someone/thing is trying to tear democracy down there
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/dc-police-demand-people-standing-in-line-to-vote-go-home-even-though-theyre-exempt-from-curfew-report/
By studying the ancient Greek and Roman forms of government they came up with what is broadly the first modern democracy.
English Parliament has been around for a while. What would you call that? Also i think the English invented Representative govt. Apparently the ancient world had no concept of representation. Greece had a direct democracy not representative.
The first modern democracy was under Cromwell when Parliament did away with the King and the House of Lords but it did not last very long
US govt is modeled on English/British parliament. They even use English Parliamentary procedure which evolved in England to pass legislation
Who stole nils account?
seems even van whatsits even turned on the grubmint
Splatter
The truest democracy is NZ. One vote one value. Whatever percentage of the vote your party receives is the number of seats you get in parliament. Totally unlike here or the US.
Ha Ha there are so many dumb rightist cunts as well.
The US is nothing like the democracy the founding fathers intended at all.
Secretive decisions, commercial in confidence hidden agendas, no public access, fake news the likes of which we have never seen before perpetrated mostly by the right. Unprecedented lies to the extent that right now claims that people are happy with their politicians telling lies or fiddling the books or giving dodgy handouts.
Can you honestly say the founding fathers wrote the constitution in relation to the right to bear arms to have the society they have now where tens of thousands of their own citizens are killed by their own citizens. They would be turning in their grave. The right to bear arms was meant to be the right of the country to bear arms to defend itself.
Can you honestly say that the founding fathers would be happy that trillions of tax cuts to those how can afford them are handed out while millions of their citizens have no health care.
Can you honestly say that the founding fathers would be rejoicing in the wealth inequality of massive proportions for the top while millions cannot afford to purchase medicines to keep themselves alive.
Can you honestly say that the founding fathers would be dancing with joy that the wages of the average worker cannot even cover a years cost of health insurance and that many full time workers earn so little that they rely on government handouts to survive.
I can go on and on. So the fucking right wing cunts have fucked the fucking joint from pure and utter greed, a disease no less toxic than any other mental health issue. No wonder it is one of the seven deadly sins ( that is totally ignored by the so called christians who have the greed disease)
Shane
The USA has its problems like most countries do. But why are they getting 30,000 asylum seekers/month from leftist South America?
Neil:
“The first modern democracy was under Cromwell when Parliament did away with the King and the House of Lords but it did not last very long”
And who, pray tell, elected Cromwell? He was a murderous mongrel appointed Lord Protector for life. Nothing democratic about him at all.
I’m with the Pogues as regards Cromwell:
“A curse upon you Oliver Cromwell
You who raped our Motherland
I hope you’re rotting down in hell
For the horrors that you sent
To our misfortunate forefathers
Whom you robbed of their birthright
“To hell or Connaught” may you burn in hell tonight“
“””””””””””””””And who, pray tell, elected Cromwell? He was a murderous mongrel appointed Lord Protector for life. Nothing democratic about him at all.”””””””””””””
Well it is was called the English Republic. Apparently it was a disaster and turned into a military dictatorship.. But it was the first modern republic/democracy. It was so bad the English decided to bring the Monarchy back. And who appointed Cromwell Lord Protector? The English Republic wrote the modern worlds first written constitution called the Instrument of Government
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_of_Government
On 4 January 1649, the Rump Parliament declared “that the people are, under God, the original of all just power; that the Commons of England, being chosen by and representing the people, have the supreme power in this nation”
BTW do you know who invented representative govt? Me neither but my readings tell me it was an English invention
And who, pray tell, elected Cromwell?
‘teh’ Left?
“”””””””””””””The Instrument of Government split the government of England across three elements.
Executive power was held by the Lord Protector. Although this post was elective, not hereditary, appointment was to be held for life.””””””””””””””””””””
Shane, almost every statement you made is wrong.
“The truest democracy is NZ. One vote one value. “
Why do you think that is a good thing?
You obviously have not read the founding fathers as you seem to have no clue as to why they chose certain structures. If you really want to understand you might start with the Federalist Papers, the anti-Federalist papers and “Democracy In America”.
You might also want to inquire as to the development of the various democracies in ancient Greece. Democracy is not one thing. In ancient Greece there were many. Athenian democracy is the most well know and it developed over hundreds of years. You could start with the archon Solon and the reforms he made.
Interestingly “archon” is where we get the word anarchy from. An archon is a ruler and anarchy is what you get without one.
Until recently Democracy was regarded with suspension. The big worry was majority rule could lead to mob rule and anarchy. Plus people will vote for goodies from the govt and the budget will be in permanent deficit.
You obviously have not read the founding fathers
To be fair, you appeared to have missed a little thing called the Civil War when telling us how great “conservatives” were at democracy
Meanwhile, the best economic managers have managed to create a recession
How Good are recessions?
Neil there was nothing democratic about the appointment of Cromwell. He was a tyrant who maintained a standing army to terrorize the public. He was famous for murdering populations after he had taken towns in Ireland. In fact he was a reason the right to bear arms was a popular cause in the UK.
He was essentially appointed by a military council after he had marched into the chamber seized the ceremonial mace and abolished the Rump parliament.
As far as a system of representative government goes the Cromwell era was a complete shemozzle. There was no system of free and fair elections. A couple of years after Cromwell died they appointed a new king.
“To be fair, you appeared to have missed a little thing called the Civil War when telling us how great “conservatives” were at democracy”
The civil war was a triumph for principled conservatives. The Republican party was born to free the slaves from their Democrat masters. The Ku Klux Klan were Democrats.
The Republican party was born to free the slaves from their Democrat masters. The Ku Klux Klan were Democrats.
Yes, and they have both flipped now to be the opposite sides of the coin, haven’t they
He was essentially appointed by a military council after he had marched into the chamber seized the ceremonial mace and abolished the Rump parliament.
OK i am not an expert. But they did get rid of everything hereditary. Got rid of the House of Lords and got rid of the King. Proposed lots of things too radical for the times but came into force centuries later. It was called the English Republic. It did not work so they brought the Monarchy back
And i think it is garbage the Founding fathers of the USA modelled their govt on Greece and Rome. It would have been modelled on British parliament. Certainly the American Colonial govts were. When the pilgrims/English migrated to North America they were too busy trying to survive to invent new forms of govt so the Colonial govts were modelled on English govt. Same here. The convicts were trying to survive and brought English govt with them. All our State govts are modelled on English govt
“Yes, and they have both flipped now to be the opposite sides of the coin, haven’t they”
No. That is just another dumb leftist talking point.
MLK was a Republican. Democrat welfare policies have destroyed the black family. Democrats oppose charter schools because they are beholden to teacher unions so kids from poor black families don’t have a chance to get a decent education, being left to the dysfunctional government schools.
Pretty sure if there was a civil war now, the republicans would be fighting to keep their slaves.
In fact, that’s pretty much what’s happening right now.
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I saw this at just the right time splats 🙂
neo confederates lol
BEST ECONOMIC MANAGERS …………. of a recession
Neil, I’m not going to waste any more time answering your drivel. I would advise you to read some history if I thought you could understand what you read. Maybe you should visit the Wizard of Oz and see if he can help you get a brain, or maybe Dr Hfuhruhurr could help.
Dr Hfuhruhurr, lol
Loved those old Steve Martin films, they were just weird
It seems that the stories of tear gas being used to disperse peaceful demonstrators so Trump could visit a church were fake news.
lol splats, straws being grasped to protect a fascist. Wonderful
I think this is a big chunk of the problem Democrat state and local officials not wanting to go against their ideological soulmates Antifa:
This is Tucker Carlson going after Trump and Kushner:
If you are intellectually curious here is the full 23 minute clip. I don’t fully agree but it is riveting.
Here’s another dead pig for you,Tom R. You must be so happy!
Here’s another dead pig for you
What, we getting into a body count ffs? You really don’t want to go there.
fyi, looters aren’t demonstrating, they are taking advantage. But, to you, everyone’s ‘teh’ left, aren’t they?
“”””””””””””Neil, I’m not going to waste any more time answering your drivel. “”””””””””
OK. But answer me this. Who invented Representative government? Should be easy to find out but it is not. My readings tell me it was an English invention
Splatter
Definition of democracy. 1a : government by the people especially : rule of the majority. b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.
See the words rule of the majority. That is democracy, not jerryamnders, political outcomes, individual seats, boundary lines etc etc. One vote one value, proportional representation reflecting the proportional vote of the people is the only real democracy.
As for claiming that using teargas and dispersing the clergy form the church is fake news. Then why was the actual clergy of the church being interviewed stating that it was true and that Donald Trump had not set foot in their church since he had been inaugurated.
Shane
What is you thoughts on Tasmania in the Senate getting the same number of votes in the Senate as NSW?
Then why was the actual clergy of the church being interviewed stating that it was true
Bloody clergy can’t tell the difference between tear gas and smoke bombs, bloody amateurs
Unless of course the story about the fake news is fake news?
Why don’t we ask the channel seven reporter and cameraman who got beating “without tear gas” to clear the path?
Marigolds and Rainbows
Neil
The senate is elected by the whole of the states citizens there are not electorates and the senate seats are proportioned as a percentage of the vote for each party or individual based on the votes from the WHOLE of the state, not little segments of imagined lines drawn up by a commission.
Each state having the same number of seats is a protection mechanism for the smaller states not to be overridden by the larger ones when it comes to each states rights and individual legislation when the Commonwealth was created.
The vote is one vote one value for every single member of that particular state, so it is the correct way of representation and democracy.
If we had no individual states then there would be no need for each state to have the exact same number of senate seats and it should then be one vote one value for the WHOLE of Australia.
Donald Trump may as well be eating lollies LOL.
To think I gave him the benefit of the doubt when he was elected. No bigger narcissist or idiot on the planet , well maybe Bolsonaro.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/hydroxychloroquine-no-better-than-placebo-study-finds
Shane the New England Journal of Medicine is already walking back that study:
“The results reported by Boulware et al. are more provocative than definitive, suggesting that the potential prevention benefits of hydroxychloroquine remain to be determined.”
Seems it wasn’t exactly the “gold standard” the fake news Grauniad was reporting.
For a more respectable study see here.
lol, hockeys crying about the “Hate media”
Why the fuck doesn’t he come back here and scare another industry away ffs
I see the next election rort spending is underway already, under the guise of ‘stimulus’
Not surprising the stimulus does nothing, but the election spending is bang on again. We really are a nation of shallow pools
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ToM
The House of Reps is undemocratic, you can win the election with less than 50% of the vote. That is NOT democracy. That is NOT one vote one value. It might be more democratic than communism or a dictatorship but it is NOT democracy. It is NOT ruling by the majority of citizens !!
Splatter
Your link regarding hydroxychloroquine is in relation to those who Have Covid 19. Mine relates to those who are in High Risk areas and currently do Not have Covid 19.
FMD Joe Hockey complaining about media spin and credibility is laughable.
Imagine how many public houses $688,000,000 could build, with the same tradies, if you simply stopped your ideological garbage.
Yep almost every single one of these stimulus measures are going to well and truly dwarf any rorting by a few dead people getting cheques under the Rudd Government. Jobkeeper being rooted and rorted by employers and employees. Going to be many billions wasted, but thats ok its for our voting block. Accounts are going to make a motza as they amend , alter and create conditions for their clients to qualify. Proof you ask, my own clients that’s the proof.
Tony
While I agree the protestors are idiots in not doing social distancing. How on earth do you know that they are the same people who hounded Dominic Cummings. Or is that simply a huge guess ? Many in his own party want him gone !
Or is that simply a huge guess ?
Or, or ….. bear with me here
After watching the political elites trash the rules to maintain their own lifestyle, why in the hell should plebs be forced onto it when major injustices are forced upon them
Example A through Z
“””””””””””Why the fuck doesn’t he come back here and scare another industry away ffs”””””
Deceitful media as well. I cannot believe you still believe that Hockey insulted Holden so they left. Especially since the recent announcement that they are getting out of the right hand drive market. It just shows your opinions and comments are not to be trusted
(Who stole nils account?
Dunno….
Costello rejected the program because he said the govt had no expertise in installing insulation into roofs.
*Bzzt*: shelved the program because he said publicly-subsidising private-installations of presumptively-beneficial homes-insulations would yield availing homeowners unmerited resales windfalls.
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Unless of course the story about the fake news is fake news?
Of course it’s not; for instance, dispersed aerosolized powders and/or liquids aren’t (tear) gases, even if they are lachrymatory agents.)
Deceitful media as well.
True Dat
http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com/2013/09/election-2013-newspapers.html
Especially since the recent announcement that they are getting out of the right hand drive market.
Who’d have thought that after being told to fuck off from a cuntry, they do.
“”””””””Who’d have thought that after being told to fuck off from a cuntry, they do”””””””””
Your comment shows you just mislead and deceive people and will never change
Each state having the same number of seats is a protection mechanism for the smaller states not to be overridden by the larger ones
Doesn’t sound very democratic. But that concept is something we got from the Founding Fathers of the USA. WE have British lower House and USA upper house.
At the time the Brits had no concept of a Federal govt since Britain was a Unitary State and was a Union of kingdoms and those kingdoms did not have a Parliament. So the US founding fathers made a contribution to Australian govt
*Bzzt*: shelved the program because he said publicly-subsidising private-installations of presumptively-beneficial homes-insulations would yield availing homeowners unmerited resales windfalls.
Bet he’s just lovin’ this reno rescue then 😉
‘Straya
Apparently they have “white nationalists” and Russians in London as well:
Stinking hypocrisy much:
And that goes for all people who last week were so concerned about social distancing they kept shouting “PEOPLE WILL DIE”, shaming people who got too close in public, but this week haven’t raised the issue at all – I guess they are already brain dead.
But they are only ordinary people. There is no politics to exploit at ordinary folks’ funerals. Some black lives matter more than others.
And that goes for all people who last week were so concerned about social distancing they kept shouting “PEOPLE WILL DIE”,
One photo has people exposing themselves for a beer, the other has people standing up for their rights with masks on. I can see your outrage?
The gun toting militias who a short time ago were claiming they would take arms up against the states to get out of lock down, are now calling antifa ant first amendment, while the army itself is deployed against American citizens with the same gun toting militias egging them on
And morrison can say is “our recession aint as bad as theirs is
He wouldn’t, would he?
(rhetorical question)
Neil
Ever heard of the United Kingdom ? Not just the United States.
I would have thought our states formed the Commonwealth just like the countries of England, Wales and Scotland plus Northern Ireland formed the United Kingdom.
I will have to investigate but I seriously doubt our Federation was modeled on anything from the USA or their founding fathers.
I got it Tom R – murder and looting are much more important than other social activities. And George is so much more important than anyone else he must have a large funeral.
Also, George was infected with the Wuhan virus. It’d be shame if the posturing politicians seeking to cash in on his death by attending the funeral (like Biden) caught the virus, no?
murder and looting are are not a part of peaceful demonstration. As has been highlighted, EXTENSIVELY, they are largely the work of either ‘law enforcement’ (?) or right wing agitators.
But you keep spreading yor FAKE NEWS, cos it’s all you have.
I will have to investigate but I seriously doubt our Federation was modeled on anything from the USA or their founding fathers.
Our Federation was modeled on what the Founding Fathers of the USA did. Britain had no concept of a Federal govt. Britain at that time was a Unitary State. Britain was a Union but the bodies making up that Union had no Parliaments.
We got the undemocratic idea that the States of a Federation in the Senate should have equal votes no matter what the population of those States were from the USA
We got our lower House from Britain but our upper house from the USA
“Doesn’t sound very democratic. But that concept is something we got from the Founding Fathers of the USA. WE have British lower House and USA upper house.”
That’s actually not quite true. Many say that the waters of the Thames and those of the Potomac flow into Lake Burley Griffin but our Senate was originally designed as a block voting system whereby whichever party was in the majority in each state (first past the post) won all the senate seats in that State. Not at all like the US senate
“Block voting tended to produce landslide majorities and even “wipe-outs”. For instance, from 1920 to 1923 the Nationalist Party held all but one of the 36 seats, and from 1947 to 1950, the Australian Labor Party held all but three.In 1948, single transferable vote with proportional representation on a state-by-state basis became the method for electing Senators. This had the effect of limiting the government’s ability to control the chamber, and has helped the rise of Australian minor parties…………..”
Chifley changed the rules
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Senate#Electoral_system
Walrus
From your link
the Australian Senate was in part modeled after the United States Senate, by giving equal representation to each state and equal powers with the lower house.
The Brits had no concept of a Federal nation when 13 colonies in North America rebelled. Neither did the rebellious colonies. They first started a Confederacy of 13 colonies which did not work. Then the 13 colonies formed a Federation.
The Brits thought it such a great idea they did the same with us
I think Frum (usually a congenital liar) might be on to something here. It was probably Trump paramilitaries who killed David Dorn and David Vasques.
Tom R:
“As has been highlighted, EXTENSIVELY, they are largely the work of either ‘law enforcement’ (?) or right wing agitators.”
You are not even pretending to be truthful now. This is second grade trolling from you – well below your usual standard. To be effective there has to be at least a whiff of truth to the trolling.
Shane: “Your link regarding hydroxychloroquine is in relation to those who Have Covid 19. Mine relates to those who are in High Risk areas and currently do Not have Covid 19.”
Your link was to a study that has been disowned by the editors of the New England Journal of Medicine.
You are not even pretending to be truthful now
And yor sounding like yomm
The links hold the evidence, if you want to ignore it, go ahead, but remain ignorant
while the army itself is deployed against American citizens
Really? Sounds almost un-American. You got a link for that?
I’ve read your links. There are few examples (often hearsay by partisans) but no evidence that the looting and violence is, in your words “largely the work of either ‘law enforcement’ (?) or right wing agitators.”
Were these thugs law enforcement or right wing agitators?
tosy
There are few examples
I put one thread alone up that multiple examples in it, verified.
“….the Australian Senate was in part modeled after the United States Senate, by giving equal representation to each state and equal powers with the lower house.”
True but the way it was/is elected is not similar at all because in the USA senators were originally, until the early 20th century selected by the state parliaments, not by general election.
Their powers might be similar but the method of election was never similar until relatively recently i.e. well after 1901
Coincidentally …………
Deirdre Chambers..! Fancy seeing you here…
https://ibb.co/3S95mW5
Sorry I meant this:
Some protesters are more equal than others:
Hypocrisy all over the world: Gov. Adolph Whitmer is a stinking pile of hypocritical shit.
We need more of this – I don’t need to be welcomed to my own fucking country.
I don’t need to be welcomed to my own fucking country.
Good, you won’t be disappointed then
It’s hard to comprehend the vehemence some people have about a few words of recognition.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:
“In this moment the public health risks of not protesting to demand an end to systemic racism greatly exceed the harms of the virus.”
1984 called – they want their Ministry of Truth Back!
“Good, you won’t be disappointed then” – good to see you back in form 🙂
You know where this ends, Tom R:
Get on your knees and beg forgiveness you racist cunt!
You just can’t handle the Truth
“I don’t need to be welcomed to my own fucking country.”
Especially when “Welcome to Country” is an artificial tradition created in 1973 then finessed by Ernie Dingo and a pal in 1975.
It has no historical roots prior to then.
Just more made up bullshit
“Welcome to Country” is an artificial tradition created in 1973 then finessed by Ernie Dingo and a pal in 1975.
So it pre-dates Australia Day* then.
*Just more made up bullshit
So it pre-dates Australia Day* then.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
But, but … Antifa isn’t organised:
“Oregon’s notoriously secretive Rose City Antifa meets regularly “like a business” to train in weapons and tactics, including eye-gouging, as well as how to engage in violence without getting caught, according to a video released Thursday by Project Veritas.”
Apparently there are protests planned this weekend.
I’d imagine the group will be under 20 and therefore will comply with health regulations.
If it happens to be over 20, I’d be interested in the opinion of Tom R regarding whether he supports the protest.
Just Tom R, not those “of the left…” ??
I’m beginning to feel left out.. 😥
“So it pre-dates Australia Day* then.”
Actually you are wrong…………
“”Victoria adopted 26 January as Australia Day in 1931,and by 1935, all states of Australia were celebrating 26 January as Australia Day (although it was still known as Anniversary Day in New South Wales). The name “Foundation Day” persisted in local usage.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_Day#Centenary_celebration:_1839_to_1935
Australia Day at least has an historical connection to a significant date. Whereas “Welcome to Country” is just artistic bullshit with no historical foundation prior to a musical concert in 1973.
Australia Day at least has an historical connection to a significant date.
Yea, when the poms invaded a populated country.
with no historical foundation prior to a musical concert in 1973.
How dare the Aboriginals NOT have a significant day to celebrate 40,000 years of dreaming
I’d be interested in the opinion of Tom R regarding whether he supports the protest.
Personally, I wouldn’t go. But, considering the pm supported people who wanted to demonstrate because they didn’t want people to stay safe, considering he has never been behind schools closing to protect youths, considering he wanted to go to the footy instead of protecting citizens, and considering he traipses around on peoples grass like a boofhead, I’d probably go just to give him the big fucken finger
But I won’t, although, I can fully understand anyone who wants to go, and will support them.
And, as noted, the large proportion of people going are/were doing their best to social distance, before the pigs corral them into a tiny bunch.
according to a video released Thursday by Project Veritas.
Is that rag like an equivalent of ltdnews or farfax?
The group is known for producing deceptively edited videos about media organizations and left-leaning groups.[5][2][6][7][8][9][10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas
fyi, there’s a few references for that ‘claim’ lol
Apologies! I should have referred to “teh left”
But Tom R now seems to suggest that (during a continuing pansemic) health regulations can be contravened for political reasons.
That’s nice.
health regulations can be contravened for political reasons.
So, it’s now not just links you don’t read.
I’ll just leave this here like a pile of dog shit…………………..
“Yes, America is burning. But that’s how forests grow,”
Massachusetts Democrat Attorney General Maura Healey.
“I’ll just leave this here like a pile of dog shit…………………..”
Why break a longstanding tradition.
Best without a link to support either the claim, or the context should the claim even be true, hey wally 😉
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But I won’t, although, I can fully understand anyone who wants to go, and will support them.
I read that as meaning you support people who choose to flout health regulations.
Fine. So as I said, you think it’s ok for people ignore health regulations during a pandemic for political reasons.
“Best without a link to support either the claim, or the context should the claim even be true”
You can read more of her drivel here, Tom R. She is the very model of the modern leftist moron.
“Amazing how that very Trump-like protest, with all the anti-vaxxers, 5G weirdos etc., was “It’s a free country”, but not so much when it comes to a Black Lives Matters peaceful protest”
I am sure the ‘Some Black Lives Matter’ crowd will receive the same attention from the police – children dragged screaming from their mothers’ arms etc – the anti-vaxxers got. Or maybe it is only a free country for the politically correct.
Whereas “Welcome to Country” is just artistic bullshit with no historical foundation prior to a musical concert in 1973.
Oh sure. Next you’ll be telling me Aunty and Uncle aren’t traditional aboriginal titles.😳
There were anti-vaxxer/anti-lockdown/5G protests in Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne on 30 May 2020.
I don’t recall YoM decrying a breach of health regulations in the lead up to those protests.
“Oh sure. Next you’ll be telling me Aunty and Uncle aren’t traditional aboriginal titles”
“The 1973 Aquarius Festival held in Nimbin, New South Wales by the Australian Union of Students (AUS) has been documented as Australia’s first Welcome to Country although it was not called this at the time. Organisers of the alternative lifestyle festival,”
“The second recorded welcome to country occurred in 1976, when entertainers Ernie Dingo and Richard Walley developed a ceremony to welcome a group of Māori artists who were participating in the Perth International Arts Festival.”
“The Aboriginal National Theatre Trust was instrumental in developing the welcome to country during the 1980s.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_to_country#:~:text=A%20welcome%20to%20country%20is,Aboriginal%20clan%20or%20language%20group.&text=Welcomes%20to%20country%20are%20sometimes,smoking%20ceremonies%2C%20music%20or%20dance.
HOW DARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO REPRESENTATION NOT REPRESENT THEMSELVES!
I think “teh left” (and certainly Tom R, which is why I referred to him) wanted tougher restrictions for longer.
I didn’t notice the ***conditions apply*** tag
I didn’t notice the ***conditions apply*** tag
Perhaps the date of those comments might apply 😉
Also, as I said, I don’t think it is a good idea to go, but I can certainly understand the feeling of those going. They are marginalised and berated, so the anger is understandable. Also, considering the pm etal have been agitating to open everything up, all of sudden, they want to slam the breaks back on (for this weekend only mind you). Not to mention, the organisers are warning people who are coming to practice safe distancing, it’s quite a bit different from people who brazenly flaunt the laws, and then are supported by our grubmint for it
The hypocrisy is astounding, but oh so ‘conseevative’
I see, so the advice of the medical and health experts was required to be complied with a few weeks ago, but now their expert advice isn’t really so important.
It’s best if we choose when to comply with regulations!
And practicing social distancing at a protest should be easy! One person per 4sq/metres! Let’s see how that works!
And will Dan Andrews come up with something like -“no protest march is worth someone’s life”
You either accept the scientific and expert advice, or you don’t.
Tom R: ““Also, as I said, I don’t think it is a good idea to go, but I can certainly understand the feeling of those going.”
I suspect, based on past experience, that many going will be white children from privileged backgrounds with whatever token “victims” they and their Socialist Alliance mates can co-opt. In any event I agree it would be better if they stay home. Won’t someone please think of the healthcare workers?
And practicing social distancing at a protest should be easy!
Depends largely on the cops, doesn’t it. Time will tell. At least the organisers are being proactive about the issue, unlike the other protests supported by the pm, who openly flaunted the rules.
Splats, I think you will find that photo was before restrictions were lifted. But hey, play false equivalence if you are that empty in the chamber.
Ouch
SA Police Commissioner Grant Stevens issued an exemption which allows a gathering of more than 80 people in a public place for the “one-off, unique situation”.
However, he said those who attend the rally at Victoria Square in Adelaide’s CBD will still need to practise social distancing — and anyone sick should stay away — to prevent the spread of coronavirus.
“This is a unique and extraordinary event. There is a sentiment that suggests people should have a right to protest on significant matters. We acknowledge that,” Commissioner Stevens said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-05/sa-police-grant-exemption-for-adelaide-george-floyd-protest/12325186
I think you will find that photo was before restrictions were lifted
I think you will find that… restrictions continue to apply and Victoria Police (for example) continue to fine people for breaching them. The restrictions aren’t as severe, but that’s because the scientific experts have made recommendations!
But, why should “teh left” care what the scientific community says?
Biden’s virtual Town Hall earlier today – 859 views.
When the Dems persist with this befuddled sundowner I don’t know. I can only imagine that Hitlery will be his running mate and if he wins he’ll die of Arkancide before he is even sworn in.
Splats, I think you will find that photo was before restrictions were lifted.
I think you missed the elephant in the room.
🙂 Tony
Not to mention, the organisers are warning people who are coming to practice safe distancing
Just saw footage of the BLM protests in Canberra today. They were not – repeat, were not – practicing ‘safe distancing’. So if that’s any indication of how well the organisers are organising, then expect to see more of the same tomorrow.
They were not – repeat, were not – practicing ‘safe distancing’. So if that’s any indication of how well the organisers are organising, then expect to see more of the same tomorrow.
Oh, I’m sure they won’t, and I’m sure there will be violence, at at least one of them. That doesn’t change the complete opposite reaction the government has to the different protests, which really only makes these protests, as wrong as they are, necessary.
🙂 wally
At best drunk yet again…………………what a fine truculent turd she does make
I am an anti-fascist.
Of course she is. Isn’t everyone? That’s not the point. The point is groups like Antifa pretend the US and Australian governments – and just about everyone they deem a capitalist – are fascists, which gives them the moral authority they need to carry out violent acts of rebellion. After all, who wouldn’t fight back using any means available if their country had actually been taken over by fascists?
Breaking:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2020/jun/05/coronavirus-australia-news-updates-covid-19-lancet-study-retracted-travel-bubble-homebuilder-grants-recession-nsw-qld-vic
Now lets see the police enforce this order in the same manner they acted against the anti-vaxxers!
It is about time some of their victim held the violent Antifa thugs to account.
An interesting piece on the antecedents of the Anti First Amendment thugs.
It’s just a peaceful protest:
The point is groups like Antifa pretend the US and Australian governments – and just about everyone they deem a capitalist – are fascists
Buggered if I know why?
Justice Desmond Fagan accepted an request from the NSW police that the proposed protest be considered illegal.
Glad I’m, in Antifa Adelaide 😉
Things NOT considere illegal in NSW
Get sweaty at a gym
Play indoor soccer with 100 people
Go for a sauna and breathe in other ppl’s body juices
Go to the pools (ew)
Stand in a park
lol splats, do you get all your news in chain mails?
Breaking, racists gets milk thrown on him!! lol
“Breaking, racists gets milk thrown on him”
It wasn’t milk. He isn’t a racist. He is a gay Vietnamese-American journalist trying to expose Antifa criminals.
He was assaulted by a gutless Antifa mob then taken to hospital. He suffered a brain hemorrhage. The Antifa leftists who control Portland and its police have made sure the gutless Antifa thugs who assaulted him were never charged.
Now go put on your black bloc and bash someone’s grandma at the demo today!
“Go to the pools”
The pools are perfectly safe – 8 socially distant people in the facility at a time (45 minute sessions), 1 person per lane, change rooms closed, spend your time in a chlorine bath exhaling under water. Zero chance of catching anything.
Punching conservatives
is a miasmatic, deliberately vague charge
BLACK LIVES MATTER
Seems pretty straight forward to me.
Police! Stop killing black people!
I think the main reason to criticise the protests is the unrelenting insistence from “teh left” that everyone complies with health restrictions .
When they insist on absolute compliance, they now have to observe those rules.
I think there’s a word for their double standards.
When they insist on absolute compliance
LINK!
SOME BLACK LIVES MATTER. Others not so much, apparently.
SOME BLACK LIVES MATTER.
What was that?
Where?
OVER THERE!
Had a fight at Bunnings today
This dude in a green apron asked me if I needed decking
Luckily I got the first punch in
beat him by 10%
Hope you gave him a Glasgow kiss!😳
Tony Abbott was one of three Australians made a Companion of the Order of Australia (AC) “for eminent service to the people and Parliament of Australia, particularly as prime minister, and through significant contributions to trade, border control, and to the Indigenous community”.
And you wonder why people are out on the streets?
It is not just Trump it is those who empower him … had he been impeached by the Senate??? Oh, fuck! Evangelist Pence!
Why are all these right wing bible bashers suddenly fucking the place up?!