Australians ‘totally smashed’ at home during COVID-19
COVID-19 is driving us to drink. Literally.
Isolation, boredom and anxiety have affected people’s drinking habits and some may struggle to return to pre-coronavirus levels of alcohol consumption, health experts warn.
“Drinking more is a bit like a ratchet, it can go up quite easily but can very hard to get it back down” says Richard Piper, the chief executive of Alcohol Change UK.
“And if home is a place you now associate with drinking, and you’re in it all day everyday, that has a risk.”
The clinical director of Sydney’s drug and alcohol centre Turning Point, Dr Matthew Frei, says getting used to drinking alone at home can become the “wedge of problem drinking”.
“It’s easy to drink at home, you don’t have to worry about driving, it’s a place of safety and comfort,” he says.
“There’s no one monitoring you, and, especially if you’re not working, there’s less barriers to start drinking earlier in the day.”
Frei says it’s not just the increased amount of alcohol being consumed that’s an issue.
“People are saying they are drinking out of boredom or anxiety,” he says.
“But when the social restrictions from the pandemic are lifted, the feelings of hopelessness or sadness, especially in people who might have lost their jobs, won’t just disappear.
“So there’s a possibility we may have a significant public health issue on our hands, with more people using alcohol to self-medicate.”
National polling by YouGov Galaxy, commissioned by the Foundation for Alcohol Research and Education (FARE) found that since the pandemic hit, 20 per cent of Australians say they are purchasing more alcohol.
Within this group, 70 per cent said they were consuming more alcohol than they used to, with one third drinking on a daily basis.
FARE CEO Caterina Giorgi said that 32 per cent of those who reported buying more alcohol admitted they were concerned about either their own increased level of drinking or someone else’s in the household.
Almost the same number of people said they were drinking more to cope with anxiety and stress.
“Alcohol sales are up over the past month and while the alcohol industry wants you to believe that people aren’t actually drinking that alcohol, this research reveals the truth,” she said.
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For some of us, it was just business a usual
Interesting, the ABC fact checked Morrison’s claim that there was no slavery in the establishment of Australia.
He’s correct, but all rational people already knew that.
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-02/fact-check-scott-morrison-slavery-nsw-australia/12407280
Is it correct that there was no slavery in Australia when NSW was founded as a colony?
Of course he is correct, there were no slaves on the first fleet, we had to make them after we got here dopey
And do much for the claim of the government that the covid 19 policy is determined by health experts!
Sutton isn’t going to be tainted by this debacle!
Security guards weren’t his decision!! He’ll just dump Andrews in the crap.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/coronavirus-updates-victoria-records-77-new-cases-mostly-in-hot-zones-20200702-p558b3.html
He’ll just dump Andrews in the crap.
But, but its Dan’s fault surely? Its always Dan’s fault – I’ve read your comments here!
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… we had to make them after we got here dopey …
Don’t be silly,TR, they were just Kanakas …
I mean I was press ganged by the Liberal government in 1970 … forced to work under very physical conditions with very little pay!
All depends how you look at it, hey?
I mean I was press ganged by the Liberal government in 1970 … forced to work under very physical conditions with very little pay
You have a link for that?
You have a link for that?
For what?
Sorry i made a mistake. I thought you were referring to the Kanakas. Yes conscription is a controversial issue in Australia. Best not to do it and have volunteers
No one knows anything about how engaged the poorly trained contractors!!
What a surprise!
But here we have a HUGE failure in government policy during the greatest health and economic crisis in a century…but the review will that 2 months!
This is hopeless.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/premier-s-team-takes-cover-over-hotel-quarantine-20200702-p558ip.html
No one knows anything about how engaged the poorly trained contractors!!
I recall someone during the last economic downturn putting forward the wonderful idea that we could get local handymen to do peoples gutters. Now, this, from people who want to privatise everything ROFL
I also recall that the Federal Government back then got the blame for everything, even though, as now, it was up to the states and contractors to administer appropriately
Seems the buck always stops at … one particular party
So, was it the feds fault back then, and, why is not now?
Come September I guess we’ll know 😉
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But, but….. Victoria has the best public service in the country – just ask them.
These lawyers seem alright:
Probably because they don’t exist apart from in jokes!
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But ….. LABOR!
WWAAAAAAHHHH ! The Victorian ALP government is being blamed for the systemic failure of their policy.
Then why was the federal Government being blamed for the systematic failure of Queensland policy, or, more correctly, the systematic failure of businesses to not break the law?
I’m not saying the Andrews government shouldn’t take responsibility, it was their stupid idea to use contractors
It should also highlight that we shouldn’t use contractors, as rebs tweet highlighted.
It’s interesting who the media goes after, and who they leave alone. I wonder why?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-02/federal-police-seek-charges-abc-investigation-afghan-files-dpp/12415930
If you google “Ruby Princess” I think you’ll find there’s plenty of political fallout from that.
But… that was a single, outrageous, public health endangering failure.
This one is systemic.
For months, the Victorian government-
* Decided to use poorly trained contractors
* Declined the offer of using the army
* Didn’t assign police
* Didn’t have systems and oversight
* Allowed guards and those in isolation to f***
* Didn’t ensure protective equipment (eg condoms) was used
* Take any opportunity to conduct auditing and review over several months
All this is systemic failure
The Ruby Princess was an outrageous failure but a single one.
This government has demonstrated continuous incompetence and negligence over several months!
If you google “Ruby Princess” I think you’ll find there’s plenty of political fallout from that.
But… that was a single, outrageous, public health endangering failure.
This one is systemic.
For months, the Victorian government-
* Decided to use poorly trained contractors
* Declined the offer of using the army
* Didn’t assign police
* Didn’t have systems and oversight
* Allowed guards and those in isolation to f***
* Didn’t ensure protective equipment (eg condoms) was used
* Take any opportunity to conduct auditing and review over several months
All this is systemic failure
The Ruby Princess was an outrageous failure but a single one.
This government has demonstrated continuous incompetence and negligence over several months!
That’s double the intelligent analysis!
That’s double the intelligent analysis!.
You understand that this is also “an outrageous failure but a single one.“
Luckily we didn’t use the army, because that would have been a bad look ! And with our government, appearances matter above all else!
So the poorly trained security guards-
* Drove ubers if the security work wasn’t available
* Shared lifts with those likely to be infected
* Didn’t use PPE (including condoms!)
* Had 5 minutes of training
So, Andrews has decided that we need a 2 month enquiry to find out what went wrong!!
Does anyone else have an opinion on the likely findings of the judicial review! Here’s my tip!
* The Premier was unduly influenced by Mr S Newman seeking to play golf
* The Government should have ensured security guards were provided with at least 8 minutes of training
* Sexual contact between security guards and those in isolation should not have occurred during ordinary working hours, such activities should only take place during overtime
* Peter Dutton didn’t receive enough political opprobrium for the Ruby Princess
* The Victorian Government is trying very hard!
Jeffery Epstein’s girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell has been arrested and has sadly committed suicide next week:
“Jeffery Epstein’s girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell has been arrested and has sadly committed suicide next week”.
LOL…!
So the poorly trained security guards-
Are a reflection of current working conditions
This is the world you have been advocating for the past decade plus yomm
Welcome to yor Nirvana
Link please!!
The Victorian Government was offered the army , but they chose poorly paid contractors!
It was a better look.
And in answer to annoying questions, the government can now say ( until September!!) – that’s the subject of a judicial review, and I’m not able to comment
Link please!!
I assume you have then forgotten about your vociferous support of a certain legislation ;)
Or these?
You’re right walrus, the mining companies (for example) continually look for ways to reduce their exposure to expensive and unreliable labour.
https://theguttertrash.com/2015/12/21/its-beginning-to-look-a-lot-like-christmas/#comment-120927
The circumstances for hospitality workers is entirely different.
https://theguttertrash.com/2015/12/21/its-beginning-to-look-a-lot-like-christmas/#comment-120939
Hilarious Tom R !
One was a comment about the use of technology in industry. The other was discussion about why changing penalty rates in hospitality isn’t the thin end of the wedge for nurses!!
And they’re your examples of my (apparent) support for poorly trained contractors!!
You’d have to be blushing to post that!!
And they’re your examples of my (apparent) support for poorly trained contractors!!
What, you now want ten links yolt?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-18/manne-name-10-a-journey-through-the-journalism-of-andrew-bolt/3577362
This must be the Vic governments fault for ………. taking it seriously?
Some Melburnians declining COVID-19 tests over ‘conspiracy’ fears
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-03/victoria-coronavirus-cases-rise-by-66/12419538
Yes, one comment was about penalty rate changes in hospitality not being the thin end of the wedge for nurses penalty rates.
The other was about the trend in the mining industry to rely on technology rather than labour.
I’m happy to discuss both issues but they aren’t related to the state ALP government engaging poorly trained contractors to guard people in isolation.
Can you explain how those comments are related to the current issue?
And by the way, it would also be hilarious to see the OHS risk assessment for the security guards.
Those responsible would have asked – “what are the most significant risks? ” No doubt they would have identified-
* Getting stuck in a lift
* Eating hotel food
* Ill fitting uniforms
They obviously didn’t think there was a risk of contracting covid 19, otherwise they would have addressed the risk.
But clearly the government didn’t bother to check and audit their risk assessment either!
That’s negligence!
Chortle chortle…
Mathias Cormann set to quit after calling Scott Morrison ‘control freak’
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/mathias-cormann-set-to-quit-after-calling-scott-morrison-control-freak/news-story/d89dbecfe47f37ecad814f0358680f1d
Can you explain how those comments are related to the current issue?
They were related to this
Link please!!
But, just like yor namesake yolt, you need 10
I’ll go to another thread later and find them, but beers are calling right now 😉
And people here blame, Dan Andrews, (for everything under sun oops clouds oops rain oops wind oops sun … fkn Melbourne weather!).
That’s as dumb as saying he forced these people to “escape” Victoria’s lockdown
The Victorian Government was offered the army ,
People really need to research the role of the ADF … it is not to play police officers for recalcitrant Mexicans … most smart democracies don’t particularly favour their military on suburban streets … dictatorships love it … imagine your rhetoric if Dan had succumbed to the “offer” … or was Sooty playing politics again?
NSW accepted the offer, they seem to have the quarantine under control.
The ALP government chose poorly trained, poorly paid contractors.
But the inquiry will take until 25 September! Almost 3 months! Bizarre
But the Age seems to have done a fair job of investigating this debacle in a day or 2.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/how-hotel-quarantine-let-covid-19-out-of-the-bag-in-victoria-20200703-p558og.html
The ALP government chose poorly trained, poorly paid contractors.
The Federal LNP government let the Ruby Princess land … duh!
NSW accepted the offer … soldiers are not trained to be police officers … how do you think they could have stopped the two fuckwit Victorians who caught the train from Melbourne?
Planning teams have been embedded in state coordination centres in Victoria, Queensland, the NT and Western Australia, with teams also on hand to assist the other states and territory.
Defence has also set up contact-tracing teams to work with New South Wales and Queensland. “These ADF teams will provide logistics, transport, health and general planning assistance as the workload of civilian medical teams continues to increase as more Australians are diagnosed with, or affected by, Covid-19,” the defence minister, Linda Reynolds, said in a statement released this week.
Selfish twats seems to come to mind with regard to Mexicans these days …
ToM, have you been tested for C-19 yet?
If not – why not?
NSW learnt their lesson from the Ruby Princess, and didn’t just leave the quarantine security to guards with 3 minutes of training, who, according to The Age-
* Had sex with those they were supposed to be guarding
* Neglected to practice safe social distancing
* Spread the virus to their families, and their communities
And Victoria’s CMO warned the ALP government of his concerns over a month ago!
Now we have 36 suburbs and over 300,000 people in lockdown with more to come.
Do you think all this represents a failure, or are you willing to make excuses for all this?
By the way TB, do you think a risk assessment, and auditing of it, might have been useful?
Don’t you think this type of transmission might have been foreseen and therefore the safety systems more rigorously enforced?
“Do you think all this represents a failure, or are you willing to make excuses for all this? By the way TB, do you think a risk assessment, and auditing of it, might have been useful? Don’t you think this type of transmission might have been foreseen and therefore the safety systems more rigorously enforced?”
I think that’s why there’s an investigation, you know, the one you don’t think is necessary.
I see, so you’re unwilling to form an opinion about this until 25 September, when the report will be delivered!!
That’s very funny!!
After 25 September, I’ll expect-
* There are no criminal charges
* Let the jury decide
* Wait for the appeal
* Think of the baby!!
I see, so you’re unwilling to form an opinion about this until 25 September,
But you have investigated, compiled and analysed critical medical data, management decisions, specific incidents and actions of people directly and indirectly involved over the last month, including digital, verbal, electronic communications in order to make a decision now?
BTW … ToM
Have you been tested for C-19 yet?
If not – why not?
* Think of the baby!!
After reading your comments over the last few months I’m not surprised you’re having a baby …
The Victorian government failed in its responsibility to properly quarantine returned travellers.
The Victorian government failed in its responsibility to properly quarantine returned travellers.
I agree ToSY … put ’em in jail!
BTW
Have you been tested for Covid-19?
If not, why not?
Jenny Mikakos (Health Minister) was a commercial lawyer, a real one, in her earlier career.
If there is one profession that should understand risk, it is a commercial lawyer. But she clearly didn’t bother to ensure that the virus transmission risks were adequately addressed.
She probably also understands professional negligence.
TOM ToSY
Have your test yet?
You’re asking about private medical information??
Why?
I’ve also had a colonoscopy!!
I guess Labor winning Eden Monaro is all Labor’s fault.
I’ve also had a colonoscopy!!
You still don’t get it … I don’t give a shit about your colonoscopy – it doesn’t have any affect on me or anyone else … but if you haven’t been tested for Covid 19 and you live in Melbourne, YOU are a high RISK individual and therefore a THREAT to everyone else in Australia … according to all the SCIENTIFIC and MANAGEMENT data available …
Get the test or stop whinging and blaming everyone else …
I guess Labor winning Eden Monaro is all Labor’s fault.
Aw! Bullshit! reb! Blame someone else for a change … 😎
The Victorian government failed in its responsibility to properly quarantine returned travellers.
Who forced the travelers onto Victoria?
Who has been agitating for the opening of everlasting while Victoria has been trying to argue not to?
Who now wants to wash their hands of it all even though “we are all in it together”?
morrison says lots, but has he actually done anything, or simply outsourced it to the states?
Who chose the poorly trained contractors rather than the military?
Who didn’t bother to audit the risk analysis (if there was one)?
Who used massive police resources to issue 3 times the fines of other states rather than deploy the police into supervision of those in isolation?
Andrews has a lot to say, but is proven to be ineffective in overseeing the most significant public health crisis for a century.
By the way, is this a –
* Fiasco
* Catastrophe
* Disaster, or just a complete
* F*** up
Who forced the travelers onto Victoria?
Nobody “forced” them on to Victoria. They were returning to Victoria.
Who has been agitating for the opening of everlasting while Victoria has been trying to argue not to?
Not sure what “opening of everlasting” means but that’s beside the point. All decisions to ease restrictions were made by Daniel Andrews and the Victorian government.
Who now wants to wash their hands of it all even though “we are all in it together”?
No idea what you’re talking about here.
morrison says lots, but has he actually done anything, or simply outsourced it to the states?
The states outsourced it to themselves. You cheered on Victoria and New South Wales when they closed schools – contrary to the advice of the federal health authorities and the urgings of Scott Morrison – under federalism principles they’ve recently embraced. (They’ll forget them again come budget time when they once again squeal for more money for schools, hospitals, roads etc – all state responsibilities.)
You cheered on Victoria and New South Wales when they closed schools
And the virus was stopped
And then the feds gave the states no option but to reopen, they were basically blackmailed, open, or no money for you!
Meanwhile, the feds favourite little messenger
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But Pauline isn’t racist …
And the virus was stopped
Evidently it was not.
And then the feds gave the states no option but to reopen, they were basically blackmailed, open, or no money for you!
You got any evidence for that assertion?
Evidently it was not.
I guess that depends on where you live … how you act … and whether you reduce the risk by having a C-19 test.
You got any evidence for that assertion?
Take your pick …
https://www.google.com.au/search?newwindow=1&sxsrf=ALeKk03l6GLJYqQrp2NIk0YEVkMFhk6hJg%3A1593993813582&source=hp&ei=VWoCX7riIZnH4-EP3K2mgAI&q=morrison+urges+states+to+open+borders&oq=Morrison+urges+states+to+ope+borders&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMgQIIRAKOggIABDqAhCPAToFCAAQgwE6BQgAELEDOgIIADoECAAQCjoGCAAQFhAeOggIABAWEAoQHjoFCCEQoAE6CAghEBYQHRAeOgcIIRAKEKABOgYIIRAKEBVQ0iBY2YUBYK2VAWgBcAB4AIABwwKIAZw4kgEIMC4yOS44LjGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEK&sclient=psy-ab
Take your pick …
So you want to join in too. Okay. Where’s the evidence for this:
“they were basically blackmailed, open, or no money for you!”
I’m glad they asked Hanson for her comments because I had no idea what her views on this matter would be.
Who’s channel nines chairman again?
You got any evidence for that assertion?
oops, the money was for the private schools, the rest was just the usual ‘we’re all in this together (‘cept you dan!) bullshit the feds have been running since … well, this started
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/05/05/teac-m05.html
oops, the money was for the private schools
So what you said was just more bullshit, another pissweak effort to try and transfer blame to the feds for the Victorian government’s incompetence.
So what you said was just more bullshit
Well, apart from the fact that they tried to force them to reopen, yea 😉
they tried to force them to reopen
How, exactly, did they try to force them? And were or were not all decisions related to easing restrictions made by the Victorian government?
lols tosy, remember, we’re all in this together 😉
‘Get some perspective’: PM calls out premiers for closing borders to Victoria
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/get-some-perspective-pm-calls-out-premiers-for-closing-borders-to-victoria-20200630-p557q4.html
Oh, I see. He tried to “force” them with words.
Meanwhile, Dan Andrews just stated, “Every time I’ve asked the Prime Minister for something the answer’s been ‘yes’.”
This shows why the UN Human Rights Council is, like Dan Andrews, a sniveling stooge of the Chinese Communist Party:
“We commend China’s remarkable achievements in the field of human rights by adhering to the people-centered development philosophy and protecting and promoting human rights through development. We also appreciate China’s contributions to the international human rights cause.”
We need to name and shame all the pro-CCP running dogs, spies and traitors on both sides of politics and everywhere else in Australian society. High on the list is Shithole Dan with his Belt & Road deal which he is too ashamed to release to the public.
And were we “all in this together” when Vic and NSW closed schools against the feds medical advice?
So even according to Tom R, Andrews was either weak (he was pressed by the Federal Government to do something he knew wasn’t right), or he is incompetent (he oversaw a defective isolation program and allowed the infection to spread)
Dan Andrews again, just now: “I wouldn’t want anybody to suggest we’re not in complete partnership with the federal government because they’d be wrong, completely wrong.”
he was pressed by the Federal Government
And Sam Newman.
A slight change of tone from Dan: “I’m not telling people what to do, I’m asking.”
And were we “all in this together” when Vic and NSW closed schools against the feds medical advice?
I don’t recall him claiming they were back then
was either weak ……or he is incompetent
You don’t need to be either to be undermined
(More booze!)
High on the list is Shithole Dan with his Belt & Road deal …
Highest on the list would be Andrew Robb and his 99 year lease of Darwin Harbour … resigning from Parliament and then collecting $480,000pa of the CCP … as well as the taxpayer slush fund!
We need to name and shame all the pro-CCP running dogs, spies and traitors on both sides of politics and everywhere else in Australian society.
Absofknlutely!
Andrews was either weak …. or he is incompetent
Your twisted interpretation, Timebomb ToM … again.
Are you taking lessons? Next it will be how many children went overboard …
Tested yet?
Still happening in 2020 … no details yet.
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/man-crushed-to-death-by-metal-beam-in-horror-workplace-accident/news-story/be2da18684745954492ecad1ef5546a2
“Highest on the list would be Andrew Robb and his 99 year lease of Darwin Harbour … resigning from Parliament and then collecting $480,000pa of the CCP … as well as the taxpayer slush fund!”
You could well be right there! There is a lot of competition – Twiggy makes a shitload out of China and is always shilling for them!
Twiggy makes a shitload out of China and is always shilling for them!
He’s not the only one
https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/abbott-has-sold-out-australian-workers-to-china-20150720-gigata.html
As the police are defunded to the tune of a billion dollars, the murder rate in NY has spiked massively. Hasn’t been this bad since Democunt Dinkins was mayor.
BLM is a revolutionary Marxist movement. Of course these black lives don’t matter to them.
BLM is a revolutionary Marxist movement
Have you checked under your bed yet today splats?
They lurk everywhere.
Considering the libs were willing to sell out Australian out workers to do a deal with actual Communists, I guess that means the lnp are Marxist sympathizers?
I see Dan Andrews complacency has extended to nsw now.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/coronavirus-covid-19-found-in-nsw-had-travelled-to-melbourne/12427802
If only there was something that could be done at a national level, but alas, no answers there
If only there was something that could be done at a national level, but alas, no answers there
But, but what about federalism? You know, where the states have the right to handle this the way they see fit. You know, like closing schools against the advice of federal health authorities.
Besides, Morrison has already given Daniel Andrews everything he’s asked for (Andrews’s own words, yesterday). But okay, more would you suggest?
*what more
But okay, more would you suggest?
Actually, less
STOP trying to force things open before they are ready
STOP making it ALL about the economy
START making it about the health issue it is
lolz
Just explain why this is the fault of the federal government that the Victorian state government chose to engage poorly trained contractors for isolation supervision rather than the military. That is the primary cause of it getting out of control.
*NSW accepted the federal government’s offer of the military
* Victoria declined it.
The left consider use of the military for such purposes a bad look, so “the optics” were given a higher priority than good health policy in the public interest
That is the primary cause of it getting out of control.
The primary cause is because individuals didn’t adhere to regulations.
Of course, in the free markets ‘individual responsibility’, that is now the governments fault
“It is a stark reality check of how rapidly things can change. The disappointing reality is that the problems in Melbourne’s hot spots are directly linked to failures to follow established and successful public health guidelines,” he said.
“Against the expert medical advice, we have seen a range of failures relating to family and social events not following physical distance requirements, numerous quarantine breaches, and the irresponsible actions from elite sportsmen.”
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-doctors-call-for-freeze-on-relaxing-restrictions/news-story/0ae9ae40010be93ec5273c93c2d05262
Are you joking?
Even Andrews admits that it was the poor practice of isolation guards that started this.
That was the specific decision of the government, they didn’t want the look of having the military keeping civilians locked up.
This is the outcome of having a government that puts “the optics” above good policy.
This government was so red hot in policing people having a picnic, or driving, or fishing (three times the fines) but they couldn’t find police resources to guard the most likely source of an outbreak.
“The primary cause is because individuals didn’t adhere to regulations….Of course, in the free markets ‘individual responsibility’, that is now the governments fault ”
If that is so how do you account for the successful outcome in the other states and territories.
Your screwed up theory would need to apply nationwide to give it credibility.
But it doesn’t
Are you joking?
I think you meant is the AMA joking
If that is so how do you account for the successful outcome in the other states and territories.
Didn’t NSW wales just get new cases?
That was the specific decision of the government
It was the governments decision that the guards would use poor practices. or is it the result of privatization?
“Didn’t NSW wales just get new cases?”
They are all quarantine cases.
They are all quarantine cases.
except the ones who had visited Victoria 😉
So glad our borders are still closed … but then QUEENSLANDERS! are more disciplined than Mexicans …
Tom R thinks privatisation of isolation guards is the cause-
* By an ALP government in Victoria
* But not used by a Liberal government in NSW!
“Didn’t NSW wales just get new cases?”
6 travellers in quarantine, 2 possibles in Albury Wodonga. Not confirmed as it was a preliminary test whatever that is
Victoria = 191
You’d be a fool to compare the two
You’d be a
fooltroll to compare the twoIn fact not one of Victoria’s latest count is a returned traveller.
So Dan Andrews and his Captain Cook obsessed Health Department are now presiding over rapid community infection.
They have lost control
* By an ALP government in Victoria
* But not used by a Liberal government in NSW!
It beggars belief why he used them. Would be interesting to find that out.
But, isn’t it interesting that the governments who have done the most to remove the public service, are the ones that have relied on them the most.
I wonder if Vics decision is more to do with the outsourcing and lack of resources at the outset?
It is another clear example of why we need a robust public service, with all the monte carlos included
QUEENSLANDERS! are more disciplined than Mexicans
Helps if you don’t have the cold weather, coupled with lots of infectious people being shipped in 😉
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Maybe we could invite Paul Hanson over to back up YoM’s ‘comments’.
Maybe we could invite Paul Hanson over to back up YoM’s ‘comments’.
🙂
Seriously do you think Victorians are completely stupid ?
“..Premier Daniel Andrews has been spared from giving evidence to a parliamentary committee about his handling of the coronavirus crisis….Victorian Labor Party MPs on Monday rejected a motion to call the Premier before the parliament’s Accounts and Estimates Committee……..The committee hoped to also hear evidence from Health Minister Jenny Mikakos, Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton and his deputy Annaliese van Diemen….A vote to hold an inquiry on July 27 was defeated with a casting vote by committee chair Labor MP Lizzie Blandthorn..The committee is made up of five Labor MPs, three Coalition MPs, a Green and a Liberal Democrat.
It is understood only Labor Party MPs voted against the motion…….”
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/coronavirus/premier-daniel-andrews-spared-from-giving-evidence-to-coronavirus-inquiry/news-story/932d3a777f76066ff9adcdc773390471
“So much for the safety of schools opening up, that we were all told would be a no brainer by Feds.”
And again what other states had such a massive problem ??
“I wonder if Vics decision is more to do with the outsourcing and lack of resources at the outset?”
You were offered the ADF
You know the left has lost it when the best they can come up with is something like – that’s what Pauline Hanson would say.
Really? Can you show me what she has said that’s similar to my comments?
Melbourne’s going back into full lockdown from midnight tomorrow. I blame Sam Newman!
I think it was Sam Newman, Andrew Bolt and all those people playing golf, fishing and having a picnic.
Fortunately, people are still allowed to go to their beach house, outside the metro area! No restrictions there!
Now I know it will annoy some here, but I’ll head back to the coast in a few days, enjoy meals out, cafes, surf, walking around without the fear of the
gestapoVictoria Police detaining me.And hasn’t the share market recovered nicely!!
(I suppose that’s also what Pauline Hanson would say)
Lol. Fishing boating tennis golf surfing allowed this time.
“I blame Sam Newman!”
Dan blames all of you for being complacent.
TomR will no doubt agree
“Lol. Fishing boating tennis golf surfing allowed this time.”
Protesting didn’t get a mention. So I imagine that is still OK like last time.
Helps if you don’t have the cold weather, coupled with lots of infectious people being shipped in 😉
M-a-t-e … its fkn freezin’ here! The second point is true … well done Anna!
Seriously do you think Victorians are completely stupid ?
I refuse to answer that on the grounds it may incriminate me … based upon the evidence above …
You were offered the ADF
The ADF has to be asked for … and once again it is not an auxiliary police force …
You know the left has lost
That’s you real problem in a nutshell … it is not a political issue … it is a social/medical problem … and there are no winners …
I trust Timebomb ToM and Tik Tok ToSY have had their C-19 test by now … no pass to Queensland’s playgrounds if you haven’t … lol!
Protesting didn’t get a mention. So I imagine that is still OK like last time.
And schools. Schools are okay this time. Years 11 and 12 go back this Monday. The rest have had their holidays extended by a week. Remote learning wasn’t such a big hit with most parents.
I still can’t figure out what YoM’s so upset about.
One minute he was blaming Dan Andrews for not easing restrictions when other States were, now he’s worked himself into a lather coz the restrictions weren’t tough enough.
It’s almost as if he’s just a tad (ie substantially) unhinged.
BTW, where’s Scott Morrison…?
Isn’t this a national emergency….?
Er, we’re not in the shit because people play golf, or picnic, or give driving lessons to their kids
We’re back in lockdown because the slack practices of this government engaged poorly paid contractors who-
* Did not receive adequate training
* Had sex with the people the were supposed to isolate
* Didn’t bother to practice social distancing
The outbreak is entirely due to government actions, stop cut the bullshit.
On a brighter note, I’ve just been to my favourite restaurant, with a 2012 bin 389. Pity I want be there again for 6 weeks, so thanks Dan!
Dumb leftist reaps her own reward:
this government engaged poorly paid contractors
I think that you will find they all did. It was just a series of events that led to this, which is more a case of other states being lucky, and Melbourne being unlucky, while being pushed against their will to reopen, while being promised that it’s all ok, by the Feds themselves.
Also, recall, that the ADF are not the fine upholders of virtue here, they have a very storied, very recent history. There is no evidence that the training, or cheapness of the guards was the issue, it was their flagrant disregard for the simple rules they had to follow, and no organisation is above that
For the Democrats and their BLM terrorist wing it was never about black lives – Congresswoman Omar explains:
“As long as our economy and political systems prioritize profit without considering who is profiting, who is being shut out we will perpetuate this inequality. We cannot stop at the criminal justice system, we must begin the work of dismantling the whole system of oppression wherever we find it,”
Tom R: “which is more a case of other states being lucky, and Melbourne being unlucky”
Sure, Jan. It’s all the ScoMongrel’s fault. Our Dear Leader Kim Jong Dan can do no wrong.
I think that you will find they all did. It was just a series of events that led to this, which is more a case of other states being lucky, and Melbourne being unlucky
That’s stupid and a lame excuse.
Andrews has specifically said the outbreak started when it leaked out of the iso hotels, and now we know exactly about the practices that were observed by the contractors.
AND now there are reports that the contractors have links to the ALP! No wonder Andrews wants to wait until the end of September to get that report from a retired judge (apparently with left sympathies)
it was their flagrant disregard for the simple rules they had to follow, and no organisation is above that
That’s the type of thing Pauline Hanson would say
“which is more a case of other states being lucky, and Melbourne being unlucky”
ROFLMAO ! Unlucky being they have Dan Andrews as premier
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“There is no evidence that the training, or cheapness of the guards was the issue”
Well I think we have established there was next to zero training of the guards who are of course unionised.
Why was Martin Pakula, the fucking Jobs Minister put in charge of hotel quarantine ?
Could it be that many of the untrained and ill-equipped private security guards are members of Pakula’s union, the NUW/United Voice.
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“The ADF has to be asked for … and once again it is not an auxiliary police force …”
So TB has never missed the invention of the telephone LOL
Could it be that many of the untrained and ill-equipped private security guards are members of Pakula’s union, the NUW/United Voice.
Someones been reading lolstrayan, and believing them
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? @ Wally
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Pauline Hanson would say that.
Pauline Hanson would say that.
Sounds like she just did
Still trying to figure why all then RWNJs seem to think its about politics … disturbing that they are so obsessed … with attacking Labor governments and pollies for any illogical reason
Not sure why, but this reminded me of splats?
TB, getting locked down for 6 weeks due too the incompetence/negligence of the (ALP) state government is a fair reason to be annoyed
due too the incompetence/negligence
well, the ‘assumed’ incompetence/negligence, nothing is proven yet, is it.
But, make yer assumptions to (sic) 😉
“It’s too much irony for my poor brain to process.”
I’m sorry for your brain defect. But Ida Bae Wells appears not to have a brain at all.
First, when you have utter cunts like Keisha Lance Bottoms tolerating mob rule in police free zones it comes as no surprise that violence and murder rule. Keisha already has the blood of a murdered eight year old girl on her hands. She could have got the police to do their job, put down the mob and restore order. Instead she chose to have the police stand down. Its not the failure of the police to do their job it is the failure of mongrel leftist politicians and administrators to support the police and permit them to do their job.
Instead Ida Bae and their ilk are into defunding the police. Hence the murder rate in Democrat-run cities is through the roof. Anyone actually cares about black lives she would want to enable the police to do their job properly. They would want to take measures to strengthen the black family, encourage black fathers to be involved with their children, reduce black unemployment and support charter schools to allow school choice for poor black families instead of forcing them into local school hell-holes controlled by and run for the benefit of teacher unions.
Black lives matter is essentially a revolutionary Marxist organisation. Dead blacks only matter in that they are a recruiting tool for them. They are continuation of Occupy and other revolutionary attempts to subvert civilisation. In the end they are just another Year Zero cult.
Also YoM’s..
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That’s what Pauline Hanson would say
Cancel culture is full stupid:
Tim smith aint alone it seems
FMD: Gladys goes full Dan Andrews!
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🙂 Tom R
TB, getting locked down for 6 weeks due too the incompetence/negligence of the (ALP) state government is a fair reason to be annoyed
Hey, diddums, I’ve had worse – believe me – via LNP “governments” … and this lock-down is necessary because of Victorians like you, who thought they were … special … didn’t read or watch useful information and thought it was “all over” …
Tom R permalink
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And didn’t keep cumming back … 😎
… didn’t read or watch useful information and thought it was “all over” …**
That was the Victorian ALP government that –
*engaged poorly trained contractors who had sex with those they were supposed to be isolating, and spread the virus throughout comunities
* called an enquiry to that they would have an en excuse for not answering questions about the contractors
* policed the soft targets (picnickers, people fishing, those driving in their own cars, rather than actually policing the people that were most likely to spread the virus
* knew of the process failures for weeks without taking action
(**that’s what Pauline Hanson would say)
(**that’s what Pauline Hanson would say)
Kinda redundant these days yomm 😉
Wonder how that great big raid on a Labor office just before a by election is going?
meanwhile, our government is funneling OUR money to the Chinese through their favourite bagman for useless kits
Last week, the Washington Post reported that California had rejected use of BGI Covid-19 tests based on security concerns, in part motivated by a one-page US intelligence report warning the company “may be vulnerable to Chinese influence”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/09/australian-experts-raise-security-concerns-about-chinese-maker-of-andrew-forrest-covid-19-tests
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Kinda redundant these days yomm
I don’t think reb has heard
Timebomb’s new gravatar looks very much like … !!!
My god I think he’s got it!
This would’ve been better if I’d just taken a screenshot, hey splats 😉
Interesting questions Tom R. (I didn’t get the screenshot reference but I can be a bit obtuse sometimes).
At the moment we have a slightly lower death rate than NZ. And I think we kinda morphed into the NZ elimination thing anyway.
What to do now? (Apart from quarantining the filthy Victorians)
We could continue to slowly re-open. We are about to see how effective tracing can be (or not). If that can be managed well we might have more options.
We could wait until the rest of the world eliminates the virus before opening our borders but that sounds a little harsh.
We could go for herd immunity in the under 50s and lock the rest of us down.
I don’t know. I’m just grateful to be swimming again. And I’m actually DJing tonight though I don’t expect the bar to be crowded.
Pandemic leave would have definitely stopped those poorly trained security guards from rooting those iso people
Pandemic leave would have definitely stopped those poorly trained security guards from rooting those iso people
Yeah!!
But really, the fault of the state ALP government is that they neglected to vigorously audit the safety procedures
Comments like the one you’ve linked show an ignorance of tge chain of responsibility. You can’t contract out responsibility for safety.
Wonder of poor ol gideon is learning anything from the multitude of lessons in that replies to his enormously ignorant tweet?
fyi splats, the screenshot remark was my attempt at humour re the Abraham Lincoln Quote (it just shows how intuitive he was really, doesn’t it 😉 )
And some “judicial inquiry” we’re having.
It can’t require people to give evidence or produce documents.
So it will be based on whatever people feel like telling them.
And that takes 3 months! It’s all going really well here!!
I thought I was on some satire site but apparently this dumb leftist cunt is for real:
You can’t contract out responsibility for safety.
I do note that Dan Andrews is very vocal about “the buck stops here”
It’s a little different from the “I don’t hold a hose” response we have become used to from our leaders 😉
John Hewson has a doctorate in economics, not medicine, yet Tom R approvingly posts his tweet that puts “medical advice” in inverted commas. In accordance with the actual medical advice as it stands right now, Victorian years 11 and 12 will return on Monday, the remaining years on Monday week. Perhaps Tom R and his mate Hewson should take it up with Dan Andrews.
For ToM R…
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“You can’t contract out responsibility for safety.”
I agree!
But why is it just an issue now, when Serco have been guilty of malfeasance for years?
And who is responsible for that contract, isn’t it Dutton?
fer tosy
https://www.education.vic.gov.au/school/Pages/impactedschools.aspx
fer the rest of yers 😉
fer tosy
That’s a list of schools in affected areas. So what? These are the current arrangements:
Term 3
Monday July 13 – Friday September 18, 2020
There will be five pupil-free days from Monday 13 to Friday 17 July for all schools in metropolitan Melbourne and Mitchell Shire, except those enrolled in specialist schools, Years 11 and 12, Year 10 in a VCE study, for VCE lessons. These students will all attend on-site from Monday 13 July.
https://www.education.vic.gov.au/about/department/Pages/datesterm.aspx
tosy, I think you missed the tile
Schools in areas impacted by return to Stage 3 restrictions
re Best Iron Maiden Record.
It’s ALWAYS their last one 🙂 (although, sometimes, that hasn’t been very true, especially during the Blaze Bailey years 😦 )
tosy, I think you missed the tile
No, I didn’t. They are schools in affected areas. So what? At this stage they are staying open as per the term dates I listed – much to your and John Hewson’s disappointment.
Who could possibly have foreseen that engaging poorly trained contractors without a safety risk assessment, with no auditing would lead to an outbreak?
No, no, no… no one could have anticipated that!!
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I notice the reporters at Andrews’ press conference aren’t following the script! But if course Dan Andrews is sticking to the script regardless of the question!
I think I’ll make a submission to the inquiry-
“This inquiry is completely unnecessary. No amount of planning and risk analysis and management could have anticipated that covid 19 would be spread by security guards with extensive training of 4+ minutes.
It’s just bad luck.
Thank you and you’re welcome to use this submission as the executive summary of your report. “
Things are in good hands when a chair of epidemiology is blaming Victoria’s problems on bad luck. So much for Teh Science(!) when you can invoke fortune and chance.
(So much for Teh Science(!) when you can invoke fortune and chance.
Indeed.)
Comments like the one you’ve linked show an ignorance of tge chain of responsibility. You can’t contract out responsibility for safety.
I think you meant to refer to Sooty from marketing being on holiday in Hawaii … not personally monitoring security guards … you imagination knows no bounds … desperate is as desperate does … got yer QLD Border Pass yet? Chuckle …
What about yer C-19 Test … or does Dan Andrews have to bring to you door?
I mean it is about responsibility … as long as it isn’t yours …
What about yer C-19 Test … or does Dan Andrews have to bring to you door?
I mean it is about responsibility … as long as it isn’t yours …
Maybe you’d stop asking this ridiculous question if you spent 30 seconds educating yourself. You’ve asked me the same thing more than once.
In fact they will turn you away if you don’t have symptoms.
https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/assessment-and-testing-criteria-coronavirus-covid-19#why-cant-we-test-everyone-for-coronavirus-covid-19
“Thank you and you’re welcome to use this submission as the executive summary of your report. “
😆
YoM, I’ve let them know your place is available… They’ll be dropping ’round this afternoon…Maybe you can put the kettle on and give them a hand..
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Maybe we can all participate in writing a submission. I’ll write the introduction….
“The following is a joint submission reflecting a range of political orientations. I therefore recommend that you read only mine, and ignore the others, particularly TB’s”
… and ignore the others, particularly TB’s”
Luv it when you get snarky! Win – win all round!
“Forgive him for he knows not what he writes” 🙄
(acknowledgement and appreciation to The Bible, Luke 23:34 )
Brilliant …
Yes, who could possibly have foreseen that there might be problems with poorly paid, poorly trained security guards who-
* have sex with the people they are guarding
* don’t bother with the social distancing that the rest of us practice
* also drive an uber
Victorian government should have known the risk when it gambled on private contractors, says expert
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victorian-government-should-have-known-the-risk-when-it-gambled-on-private-contractors-says-expert/news-story/87c18773f41a081374ecca24a35f3703
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Why hang out with your family when you can smooch with the guy who just gave you 1,000s dollars and got a multi million government contract to privatise the visa system?
Besides, didn’t he just get back from a week of being off the radar, in order to go and take a ‘family’ holiday?
And Dan Andrews gets bugged about staying at home with his actual family on his birthday
fuck our media are corrupt.
I just read yomms link, and this is also a major problem with our media. They build their scenario on what they want the reality to be, and then make that the reality
Among a catalogue of alleged incidents in the city’s hotels, guards have been accused
It will be interesting to watch the reaction should it turn out that it wasn’t the guards at all.
I would assume silence, as per normal
Yeah!! And it wasn’t 5 minutes of training, it was 7!
And there was a PowerPoint presentation!
And there was a PowerPoint presentation!
Allegedly 😉
Yeah!! And it wasn’t 5 minutes of training, it was 7!
And there was a PowerPoint presentation!
Exclamation marks, rambling, disjointed comments … goodness, gracious me …
I wonder who made the decision to go with private guards. Might it have been a favour to a faction boss? I’m sure the inquiry will get to the bottom of it.
goodness, gracious me
Better get a swab for that TB 😉
Maybe he should get one of these:
have you trademarked it yet splats?
I wonder who made the decision to go with private guards.
A constant topic particularly among “older” ex-service personnel is the civilian “guards” at the entrances to ADF bases … why?
My own experience was “you serve 24/7”. eg I’d spend an 8 hour day repairing A vehicles … draw guard duty that night and wander around with a rifle and a torch for 2 on 2 off, have brekky, go back to work for 8 hrs – go home … (no extra pay no time off)
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-crossroads-hotel-cluster-origins-to-be-revealed-within-24-hours/live-coverage/27b53e1b983865f397ae2692578e61e2
Now … will, Gladys Berejiklian, cop the same “it was all your fault” shit that Dan Andrews did? or will it be a case of a bunch of Cockhead Cockroaches?
Waiting?
4BC (my local LNP propaganda station) should make for interesting listening …
Note: I have it on good authority that Queensland can expect a second wave in the next three weeks … 350,000+ “visitors” to the Sunshine State might bringing a few cloudy days methinks …
have you trademarked it yet splats?
Obviously … can’t you see that big brown imprint! (Fucking Y fronts too!)
He should also register DePiS Mask and copyright the design and shitty colour he uses … the aroma is a special case tho’ … it could be marketed as a spray on with many uses …
😎
(Fucking Y fronts too
I feel awkward now 😦
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Given that there will be about zero international travel for at least a year, is this really news or is this just another example of the ABC giving publicity to the propaganda of the Chinese government?
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-13/china-issues-upgraded-travel-warning-for-australia/12451626
… is this really news or is this just another example of the ABC giving publicity to the propaganda of the Chinese government?
Its just news, ToM … just news … FFS give it a rest. Better still have a cup of hot choccy and a lie down.
🙄
For the more lucid here.
I’m a fan of Sun Tzu’s, Art of War and particularly his phrase, “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer”.
I’m currently reading, Henry Kissinger’s, “On China” … an insight into the history of the oldest (3,500 years), continuous civilisation in the world … and the psychology of their politics and culture …
China is renowned for its long term planning … and obtuse “diplomacy”
This morning, on page 380, I came across this little gem of information. Do the math!
China’s senior Deputy Prime Minister, Deng Xiaoping, visited the USA in 1979 and said:
** Goals first set forth by Deng Xiaoping to strengthen the fields of agriculture, industry, defense, science, and technology in China
It’s hardly news when it is irrelevant! News is supposed to be current , no one from anywhere will be here for a year or more!!
and if the ABC didn’t report it, you’d be whinging that they were protecting China … lose – lose (r)
China has poor relations with just about every country, they’re fortunate to have a few loyal brown nosers like the Victorian government.
‘Tis the Mexican way, senor …
So much for transparency from this government, they have the dara on the transmission caused by their slack isolation policies, but we’re not allowed to know.
Duplicitous and incompetent- go ALP!
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/hotel-infection-data-kept-secret-as-opposition-calls-for-ministers-to-be-dumped-20200714-p55by9.html
everyone needs dara, ToM … I agree …
I read where you can’t buy rear tyres for Harley Ds in Victoria or NSW now … one dickhead from Victoria rode into Queensland and a dopey cop let him through!
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/closures/million-dollar-bogan-victorian-real-estate-agent-crossed-queensland-border-to-buy-new-motorbike-tyres/news-story/4424a47c1c755f08705362326b4f3b04
Bright bunch Mexicans …
they’re fortunate to have a few loyal brown nosers like the Victorian government.
yea, right 😉
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-12/china-free-trade-agreement-cost-australian-jobs-fact-check/6653214
Quick, think of a “look over there!!”
Top bureaucrats warned senior health officials at the beginning of the Andrews government’s botched hotel quarantine scheme that security guards were ill-equipped for the work and demanded police be called in to take control.
The first email raising concerns was sent by a senior bureaucrat at the Department of Jobs, Precincts and Regions within 24 hours of the March 28 launch of the program.
It was addressed to several senior officials at the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), which was the leading agency for the day-to-day management of hotel quarantine,
The state’s Chief Health Officer said on Monday it was “conceivable” that all the active COVID-19 cases in Victoria stemmed from Melbourne’s problem quarantine hotel program.
Go Dan Andrews, go ALP!!
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/leaked-emails-reveal-government-knew-of-problems-on-day-one-of-hotel-quarantine-20200713-p55bij.html
So, right at the start of the current outbreak this incompetent and duplicitous government was warned about the spread via the security guards.
Even the journalist from The Age warned the government. Theyy had weeks or months to deal with it. They did nothing.
Now their inaction has-
*Caused an outbreak in NSW
*Directly resulted in even more economic carnage
*Made even tougher restrictions likely
…and it will cause people to die.
But Andrews won’t answer questions because there’s a “judicial review ”
He should f*** off
“China has poor relations with just about every country, they’re fortunate to have a few loyal brown nosers like the Victorian government.”
Of course Dictator Dan has great affinity with his fellow communists of the CCP. He can see past the gulags, torture, organ harvesting, suppression of Hong Kong and disappearances of critics to enter into a secret deal with these evil thugs.
Now, he as taken his servility to a new level of evil. His Chinese masters exported their virus to the world while shutting down domestic travel so it wouldn’t spread internally. But they are worried that Australia is beating the virus and have ordered their Victorian stooge to get the pandemic rolling again.
… ordered their Victorian stooge to get the pandemic rolling again.
B-i-i-i-i-i-i-g stretch there … bum
How do you explain the NSW “outbreak”?
And this?
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/scott-morrison-urges-qld-wa-sa-to-reopen-state-borders-to-boost-tourism/news-story/936798c5eb968711d1fabac50f0be463
Easy to politicise and weaponise a virus pandemic if you want to (and that’s pretty cruel anyway) … or simply negative … this pandemic is new ground for everyone … mistakes will continue to be made … good managers decisions are not 100% correct all the time … in fact research shows 30% of their decisions are not.
I was going to spout off that blib stooten is a grub, and those first ten postcodes map shown on telly, from memory, seem to be full of grubs with moonee fcuking ponds in the center of it, but l decided not to spout that coz, no doubt, premier gladys will have the hills district full of grubs, once prime meddler slomo and dillsong get into full swing. So will just say my favorite yankeeland phrase during superbug is `boomer.remover`, and continue to enjoy seeing the woolbales of cash being hurled out of the treasury window by so-called great economic managers (-:
Please TB, don’t bother to excuse wilful negligence as a “mistake”
“How do you explain the NSW “outbreak”?”
Infected Victorian truckie stopped off at a hotel in Casula. Dan sent him.
Easy to politicise and weaponise a virus pandemic. Generally agree with that. Still, there is nothing wrong with smacking the ScoMongrel for being a ham-fisted bozo or Kim Jong Dan for being in bed with the CCP.
Generally it seems that the various authorities did their best. I think there were some egregious things done such as compelling nursing homes to take in infected people. And the UK’s initial attempt at herd immunity looked pretty reckless. And, before I give Dan a pass on the guards I’d like to be sure there was no political patronage involved.
Dan doesn’t deserve a pass on the guards because the concerns were raised with the government for a month.
I’m waiting for Dan to say-
“No person’s life is worth
a game of golfpolitical imagery and spin”The ALP must be late in getting their talking points (propaganda/look over there) out today, so Tom R doesn’t have his defense about Andrews’ incompetence ready.
I think you’ll find Tom R gets his talking points directly from the CCP.
Thanks to Mexico for sending all its virus ridden AFL players and their families to Queensland … what.is.fucking.wrong.with.people?
Oh, Queensland is pretty free … lets go there – sure come on up … what makes fucking football players so speshul?
And there will be hell to pay if this becomes another disaster!
“No person’s life is worth a game of golf political imagery and spin”
Or fucking Arial Ping Pong!
The Pirate Man reads and gets outraged by what is actually not there……….LOL
TB, blame the incompetence of the state ALP government(s)
The Pirate Man reads and gets outraged by what is actually not there……….LOL
ust what is that, Wally?
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TB, blame the incompetence of the state ALP government(s)
I blame the whole fucking lot of ’em … red/blue/green/white/black/brindle!
Stupid, stupid decisions … since when have you been able to trust AFL players NOT to get on the booze and weed and fuck around town pub crawling in bands of group hugging fuckwits!
And WHY are they so SPESHUL! They’re only Mexicans FFS!
And Morrison just waffles on dithering here and blathering there … dumb and fkn dumbest!
“ust what is that, Wally?”
Broadly that the Monarchy interfered in 1975
Broadly????? 🙄
Why are Monarchists so blind?
I think the Monarchy is still useful for the Brits. From what i have read a majority of people in Britain do not want a politician as Head of State.
It is not as useful for us but the problem is nobody can come up with a better replacement
“Why are Monarchists so blind?”
Ummm………………….like I am not a Monarchist. But it seems to me that some zealots see things that are just not there.
Kerr seems to have sought wide ranging advice as to his powers not just from London but also from Justice Sir Anthony Mason.
As far as I can see an Australian made up his own mind to dismiss Whitlam much like a President would have. And is that not what Republicans want anyway ?
Shitlam was an arrogant tool in a constitutional crisis unable to guarantee supply. The GG did the logical thing and let the people decide. Blessed St Gough was subjected to the judgment of the people and was quite rightly consigned to the dustbin of history.
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It’s a record!!
317 cases today!! And the sourse is due to a specific government decision- it’s a bad look to use the military.
Go Dan!! Go Victoria!!
After all his utter bulls**t –
*no game of golf is worth a life
* stay the course
* only acting on expert medical advice
… the most galling aspect in this health and economic catastrophe is that is is due to incompetent and negligent decisions of the state government.
Various agencies, including the CMO, raised the alarm about thespread from those in isolation.
The government ignored the warnings and I don’t think Andrews will get away with his obfuscation until the end if September when the (so called) judicial review will provide an arse covering report.
He’s the ALP barrackers
Kerr seems to have sought wide ranging advice …
Name them … two is not wide ranging … and isn’t misleading the Head of State TREASON?
Certainly illegal …
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And the sourse is …
I think you might be on it …
judicial review will provide an arse covering report.
Don’t judge everyone by Liberal Party standards …
“”two is not wide ranging””
And ignoring the Attorney General and Solicitor General isn’t wide ranging either … Kerr was an arrogant, drunken show pony … promoted way above his Peter’s Principle …
“”………….and isn’t misleading the Head of State TREASON?”
He is the Head of State………………………..and an Australian one to boot.
And even if you disagree with that he didn’t mislead her at all by not telling her of his decision. He simply gathered information on what his powers were from the Queen’s private secretary, Anthony Mason and he asked Whitlam himself for government advice in relation to Bob Ellicot’s views. That alone took 16 days to get. He also requested permission to speak to Sir Garfield Barwick which was refused.
So dont try and say he only took on a narrow number of views. It was Whitlam who stifled him in seking advice
These letters do not advance the cause of the Republic one iota and the ARM getting stuck into the Queen over the last few days will not gain them any momentum.
Kerr did later ask Barwick for advice
Looks like yesterday’s Palace Papers are today’s dunny roll. And that letter by Peter FitzSimons is borderline gibberish.
“And that letter by Peter FitzSimons is borderline gibberish.”
If the ARM wanted to be taken seriously they would get rid of that gibberer Pirate Pete and his stupid fucking childish “Look at me look at me” bandana.
They will go nowhere under him
They will go nowhere under him
Could be a monarchist plant. You couldn’t be that incompetent by accident.
Apparently the British PM has regular meetings with the Monarch. Not sure what goes on and what influence she has but the Queen would put the interests of the UK above party politics and anything that would help whoever is in govt at the time to retain power
The Monarchy is still useful for the Brits even as a tourist attraction. Nobody is going to see where the President of the UK lives. But the current situation with Prince Andrew may destroy the Monarchy. But even lots of leftie Brits do not want a politician as Head of State
Every utterance by Peter FitzSimons is entirely predictable, nominate a subject and his opinion is just standard left babble.
(Note to Federalist self: must suppress urges to eradicate customary borderline monomanias AND remain open to halving FIFO corporate risk managers’ third-eye-blind-drunk clubhouse wage(r)s.
Note to Re:publican self: even a cat can look at a queen; ergo, the constitutive Constitutional constituency part of Constitutional Monarchy must AND must not interfere with the Queen’s mail and/or tomorrow’s well-aged dog’s breakfast.)
GO QUEENSLANDER!
Every utterance by ToM is entirely predictable, nominate a subject and his opinion is just standard RWFW babble.
Fixed.
Thanks for that TB !! I’ll only add –
“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”
― Oscar Wilde
He is the Head of State
Wrong, he “represents” the Head of State (more silliness), the GG is not the Head of State (Australian or otherwise — GG have been Australians since 1965) … and as such should have kept the Head of State in the loop (although I’m sure she was – by her Secretary – that’s his job!)
Australia deserves better … Royalty is a massive con job for the simple minded.
The Firm is just a business* in the UK … here they are a bunch of “leaners”, to quote Hockey another hypocritical Leaner, (every royal visit costs Australian taxpayers a fortune) …
Proof? Link ->
* https://www.royalcollectionshop.co.uk/buckingham-palace-gin.html
‘Tis all about scrabbling for wealth and power … the ultimate Robber Barons
Thanks for that TB !! I’ll only add –
More twaddle …
Royalty is a massive con job for the simple minded.
What would you put in its place that would do a better job for the Brits?
“The Governor-General of Australia is the Queen’s representative. In practice, they are Australia’s Head of State and have a range of constitutional and ceremonial duties.”
https://www.gg.gov.au/about-governor-general/role-governor-general
The Dismissal was the result of 2 unyielding egos wanting to be PM. That of Whitlam and that of Fraser. The fact that there was some shifty moves to lock up the Senate for the LNP is not Kerr’s fault but he was left to deal with the consequences of 2 immovable objects.
His job was to intervene before the nation ran out of money. Whitlam refused to yield for a full election and Kerr was left with no choice other than to ensure a pre Christmas election.
And we know what the result of that was.
You should be blaming either/both combatants Whitlam and Fraser. Kerr was just the umpire
and Kerr was left with no choice other than to ensure a pre Christmas election.
And there was dancing in the streets when Whitlam lost govt.
And since Whitlam trashed the budget and started a runaway debt truck like all ALP govts do there is only one govt since 1972 that has reduced govt debt, Howard/Costello.
In 1972 and in 2007 the Commonwealth was debt free. Both times Labor was elected and both times they started runaway debt trucks
There’s no criticism of Fraser, because the left love(d) that pompous arsehole
Funny how the Libs have been used abused and stabbed in the back twice by tall conceited born-to-rule patrician cnuts called Malcolm.
Splatter Turnbull was a midget at 178cms compared to Fraser 193cms LOL
Phil “Everyone who lives in Canberra votes Labor, I live in Canberra” Coorey:
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/virus-bungle-puts-victoria-at-the-back-of-the-pack-20200715-p55c56
Yes
No one’s life is worth
a game of golf* a dud, obfuscating Premier
* listening to self serving sanctimonious speeches
* putting image above good public policy
* allowing union claims to prevent the most effective deployment of public resources
A succession of records for Victoria!!
There’s no criticism of Fraser, because the left love(d) that pompous arsehole
That says something. If the left likes you that is good reason to think something must be wrong.
But i must admit the Australia i meet in life is different to the Australia i meet online. I guess in public people do not talk about religion or politics so life is peaceful. Online things are different.
ALP/Greens people mislead and deceive with their statements and they block anybody who disagrees with them. So far i have been banned from AIMN, Twitter and The Guardian. So that means they are leftists
This might help explain things Neil: https://twitter.com/highiightreeis/status/1282743791968038914?s=21
Tony
Yep facts send lefties into a frenzy. I have said some things on Twitter and The Guardian in anger but nothing what is allowed to be posted on those sites.
One person at The Guardian said Howard got an extra $334B from the mining boom from 2004-2007 which he spent/wasted. Treasury actually said the govt., not Howard got an extra $334B from 2004-2011 ie over 8 years. The Guardian did not like my factual statements
The left just misleads and deceives people.
White Saviour Complex (a form of narcissistic personality disorder) brings out the worst in people:
Black cops in Portland are being subjected to vile racist taunts from white Black Lives Matter demonstrators
I see Sweden reported 152 cases yesterday, they are now doing better than Victoria.
Great work Dan!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/17/letters-of-an-insecure-and-indiscreet-john-kerr-make-a-mockery-of-the-claim-that-the-queen-played-no-part
Kerr was a pompous, self important windbag, he exercised power that the monarch of the UK could never exercise over a British PM.
“”””””””””he exercised power that the monarch of the UK could never exercise over a British PM.”””””””””””””
Is that right? The Queen is Head of State and obviously has some powers left. I think she could sack the British PM if she wanted to. But if she did that the Brits would do away with the Monarchy. The Brits seem to have an understanding- if the Monarch does not intervene the Parliament will let the Monarchy exist.
(Kerr was a pompous, self important windbag, he exercised power that the monarch of the UK could never exercise over a British PM.
Ah; it was the Kerr wot dunnit?)
Correct way to wear mask.
Coronavirus Australia live: NSW’s reproduction rate much higher than Victoria
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-australia-live-victoria-nsw-updates/live-coverage/85ca08530df0af5118012802e9a0d61b
All Gladys’s fault! Just ask ……. all of the above … 😎
So it looks like YoM’s mum has made an appearance on Channel 9 News..
Imagine how’s gonna react when she has to wear a mask from Thursday…! 😆
Union solidarity is alive and well !!
https://www.theage.com.au/business/workplace/john-setka-s-war-on-everyone-20200718-p55d7o.html
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My mum lives in Toorak, as if she would live in down market Brighton!
Thomas Sowell still sharp at ninety! A truly great intellect.
So why, suddenly, are masks so vital? A day or 2 ago, they did nothing.
Dan is desperate
(Dan is desperate
Possibly.)
Possibly.)
Seems he’s the only one who is not desperate.
From our national leader, we must all get out from under the doona, unless you want to use the emergency to hide away from voters what it is you are doing.
How good is suppression!
Been interesting watching the papers respond to fiscal management now, compared to … then
It’s like we live in two different realities
The Coalition’s debt blowout was well on its way before the pandemic and makes Labor’s debt during Global Financial Crisis pale into insignificance
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/coalition-trebles-labors-debt–in-triple-quick-time,14119#.XxTC2LoSY-0.twitter
TomR
Australia’s net debt was MINUS 3% of GDP in 2007 ie less than zero, 13% in 2013 and 19% now.
But it is a problem. Unless we start running surplus budgets govt debt will keep increasing forever. Our last surplus budget was in 2007
The fiscal support is too generous and it will take a couple of generations to pay it down.
All the media does is identify those that are missing out on the largesse, there is no analysis about how it will effect the social and economic options for the next generation(s)
you really need to get yerself over the lolstrayan yomm
They have this headline up “Morrison flying high as Coalition drives recovery”
not sure what recovery they are driving, since every indicator is the good ship Aus still driving full tilt down that cliff, with nothing in the way of a path out except “getting out from under a doona” as if it never happened (as the grubnmint dives deeper under theirs)
I recall the similar headlines from a decade a go when a government actually WAS driving a recovery .. oh wait, yea, that’s when they were hoping and praying for a recession so they could print it it loud. They even printed it loudly when we didn’t get one. Now, they dare not mention that we actually are in one, and diving deeper
I recall the similar headlines from a decade a go when a government actually WAS driving a recovery .
In 2007 unemployment was at 4.3% and falling the budget was a $20B surplus and the Commonwealth was debt free. All Rudd/Swan did was start a runaway debt truck. We have not run a surplus budget since 2007 racking up $400B of govt debt with nothing to show for that $400B
Another Clinton coincidence:
fer splats
The inquiry set up to examine hotel quarantine errors that could have led to “every case” of coronavirus in Victoria’s second wave will investigate the decisions of both government departments and private companies, its first hearing has been told.
And now nothing will happen for 2 another weeks. No submissions, or witnesses, no documents.
Then another 2 months until there’s a report.
The media really is giving Andrews an easy run on this.
Compulsory mask wearing will be a farce.
Single use masks are good for four hours, apparently. Who is going to change them that often? More likely people will get themselves one and wear it just to comply with the new rules. (Why were masks not necessary from March to July?)
Reusable masks are supposed to be washed every day. Same deal – who’s going to enforce that? Most people will do the bare minimum to avoid a $200 fine.
Because their enquiring audience needs to know.
I walked into KMart on the weekend and the shelves in the kitchen centre were empty. I guess the shipment from China has not arrived. Hate to see how we would survive if a war broke out.
I’m with you Tom R:
I’m with you Tom R:
You’ve got the glasses, haven’t you 😉
“Schools are safe, I can’t be any clearer than that”.
https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js
“Schools are safe, I can’t be any clearer than that”.
If they can’t do parliament at the footy, they could always move to a school.
Here I was thinking libs were about personal responsibility?
So, they have spent their time telling people to ignore the advice, and then complain the police aren’t babying people.
They really are gormless. Perhaps they could try being helpful in a crisis?
They really are gormless.
Who? That huge Liberal Democrat Party?
https://www.ldp.org.au/victoria
We know the state ALP Government prefers fines to encouragement.
Last lockdown the police here handed out 3 times as many fines as any other state, and the evidence is that the policy was a huge success!! Because we now have 2000 cases a week!!
We also know that this virus speeads though people fishing, playing golf and driving around (alone)
Yes, once the government used heavy handed law enforcement to stop all that, our problems disappeared!!
More Liberal Party hypocrisy!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/21/tim-wilson-human-rights-commissioner-institute-public-affairs-ipa-solicit-liberal-party-endorsement
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/dreamworld-owner-to-be-charged-over-2016-deaths/news-story/6498f0160fe769b7347d0aae25b12af1
But still no manslaughter charges … someone should be in gaol …
I see the government is still picking favourites
I get that the Dems love mob violence, but tweets like this will cost them the election.
ah splats, out their supporting unidentifiable stormtroopers creating violence and impinging on civil rights.
The police state you obviously desire is so close to fruition
has skipped past education
Oh fucking ROFL
Interesting seeing comments here saying how great it is armed who know whats in merica are beating the crap out of citizens, while arguing over here for our police to hand out sanitizers to people
More fucking ROFL
“You’ve got the glasses, haven’t you “
Thanks for the tip, Tom R. I haven’t got the glasses but I just downloaded some of John Carpenter’s old movies. I’m more into romcom than horror, but I’ll give it a try!
What the fuck is Tom R even talking about in that last comment?
The number one priority for most Melbournians as mask rules come in tomorrow is: how to avoid a fine.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/victoria-coronavirus-child-infected-at-melbourne-childcare-centre/news-story/d6da013c1175bf583f680735d6837d31
Yep, don’t worry about them kids catching it … and spreading it …
The number one priority for most Melbournians as mask rules come in tomorrow is: how to avoid a fine.The number one priority for most Melbournians as mask rules come in tomorrow is: how to avoid a fine.
And you wonder why you can’t cross borders?
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From TR’s comment
… the government has wasted billions of dollars of taxpayer’s money …
Like the guy we know who gets a full pension … works three days a week … and gets Jobkeeper?
When he was told he couldn’t double dip he reckons his boss paid him … and he advised Centrelink every week what he earned … I had to call BS on something? Or someone?
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I get that the Dems love mob violence …
Sick minds at play …
More fucking ROFL Chuckle … indeed!
And you wonder why you can’t cross borders?
The majority of new cases here were caused by government incompetence, the same government who for months told us masks were not necessary. Now they are mandating masks under threat of punishment.
how to avoid a fine.
It aint rocket science
The successful management of the pandemic by the Victorian ALP Government-
* 2000 cases per week
* Highest fines
* Most fines
* Toughest restrictions
* Longest restrictions
* Masks don’t help
* Yes they do
Yes, the Andrews government inspires such public confidence!
I’m more into romcom than horror,
It’s got Rowdy Roddy Piper, so it “could” be considered rodcom? 🙂
(Yep, don’t worry about them kids catching it … and spreading it …
Meh; a little bit of brain damage never hurt anyone; so, stay calm, drink up, and enjoy (in)voluntary concussive (street) sports (no/some PPE required).)
Proactive arrests?
This is what the “Portland Moms” are defending. Unfortunately the political wing of the Democrats does not want to reign in the military wing. They prefer mob rule.
The majority of new cases here were caused by government incompetent Victorians …
The rest of Australia IS watching you … ALL.
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Proactive arrests? Practice for pre-emptive strikes …
It looks like Portland Police are not assisting at all tonight per city’s instructions.
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Easier to identify the Federal wombats … USA is heading for civil war … Trump making America great again.
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July 22, 2020 10:04 am
Made yer Paypal subscrition yet? Nah, neither would I 😎
How can we have almost 500 cases in a day??!!
Our government has done everything possible to stop this virus!!
* Stopped people from playing golf and fishing
* Issued fines to people alone in their cars
* Used world class isolation security practices, with expert guards/uber drivers who have serveral minutes of training
This outbreak in Victoria is just bad luck!
How can we have almost 500 cases in a day??!!
Hard to tell. Hard to tell
Worryingly, Mr Andrews said, data showed huge numbers of Victorians ignoring health orders – 90 per cent of people tested between July 7-21 did not self-isolate between the time they first felt sick and having the test.
More than half did not self-isolate while waiting for their test results.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/07/22/victora-virus-record-484/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=News%20Alert%20-%2020200722
Yeah!! Can you remind me how and where this outbreak started?
But let’s blame the public! Because NSW, Qld, NT, WA, SA & Tas are all so much more careful in complying with the government restrictions
Can you remind me how and where this outbreak started?
In the place where most people assumed it would once winter hit.
Because NSW, Qld, NT, WA, SA & Tas are all so much more careful in complying with the government restrictions
NSW is a prime example of that we are NOT more careful. Their numbers are only now starting the climb. Time will tell if they do better than Victoria. But it’s becoming clearer, we were lucky it first hit in our summer (or end of), the cold truly seems to be a factor
Andrews blames tthe public because they aren’t listening to him.
Yes, blame those that are receiving the message, rather than those that are responsible for delivering it.
People have stopped listening to him, because they don’t trust him.
He f***ed up – public health, the economy, trust.
He won’t last when he’s resorted to blaming people for not listening to him.
This outbreak in Victoria is just bad luck!
How do you spell bad luck … s-t-u-p-i-d
He f***ed up – public health, the economy, trust.
I bet you blame the cop who caught you speeding … probably along the lines of “why aren’t you out catching criminals” …
How can we have almost 500 cases in a day??!!
I have it on awful authority that you test too many Mexicans …
BTW, have you had your test yet?
BTW, ask for a Montreal Test while your waiting …
Here’s some commonsense/common sense/common-sense
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/australians-who-refuse-to-wear-face-masks-listen-up-theres-a-free-alternative-on-offer/news-story/937d22c0f3957f2e93ba6fe336a3b50d
People have stopped listening to him, because … of a rancid, publicly funded campaign against the science and policies they are trying to implement. The media and libs need to accept their role in urging people to not only ‘get out from under the doona’ when Victoria clearly were not ready to, and to actually ignore public health warnings.
But nah, blame it all on Dan instead.
If masks are in short supply:
The media and libs need to accept their role in urging people to not only ‘get out from under the doona’
Yeah! Because the media and the libs made those 5 minute trained security guards/uber drivers/pizza delivery guys f*** the people they were supposed to keep isolated!!
Scum.
But nah, blame it all on Dan instead.
Are you seriously suggesting that a catastrophic government failure like the hotel quarantine fiasco can be blamed, even partly, on the opposition – because they didn’t agree with everything the government was doing, and said so?
Talk about twisted logic from a one-eyed Labor cultist.
Scum.
That’s unusually controlled for you, splatter!
That fucking sadistic prick is a pedophile of the worst kind and I can only think of one solution … cost about $80 per 500 … that’s a lot of pedophiles!
And his sicko mate too!
Almost as bad as parents taking kids to protests … of any kind!
Talk about twisted logic from a one-eyed Labor cultist.
Lots of criticism* … no solutions …
*Playing the man … not the ball
5 minute trained security guards/
or
a catastrophic government failure l
From all unsubstantiated reports to date, this is all because of ONE person who did not follow the rules. Not sure how you get plural, or catastrophic failure from that, but, making things up is the new news, so, keep at it 😉
Meanwhile, we’re in for a wild ride. How good is Stimulus!
Yes you’re right Tom R, there’s no amount of risk analysis and safety planning that could have foreseen that there might be transmission between security guards and the people in isolation.
Safety risk analysis could (possibly) identify risks like-
* hotel food
* stress caused by a grumpy receptionist
* getting stuck in a lift with an office supplies salesman
But no one could have anticipated this! I mean, the Health Minister is a former commercial lawyer, who would have a lot of experience in risk management. Why would this occur to her?
The minister responsible for engagement of the contractors is a former union official, how could the safety of employees be expected to be on his radar?
Several minutes of training to people who otherwise deliver pizzas is more than enough!!
As you have said in the past, this is just bad luck.
“That’s unusually controlled for you, splatter!”
My initial thoughts more aptly expressed my complete disgust for that animal but I realised that sometimes ranting doesn’t add much. Maybe I’m growing up after all these years?