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July 22, 2020

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In an astounding turn of events, it’s been revealed that the Hotel Security Guards responsible for maintaining COVID-19 quarantine protocols at some of Melbourne’s exclusive hotels were recruited via popular messaging app ‘WhatsApp,’ given no training and asked to ‘bring their own masks’.

In a process that’s been slammed as incredibly murky, some job applicants didn’t even know who they were actually working for.

Shayla Shakshi was one of the guards who received a WhatsApp message offering her work as a quarantine security guard in a Melbourne hotel.

“They actually contacted me and they’re like, ‘Would you like to work at this place?” she told The Gutter Trash.

“And I’m like, I don’t know who you guys are, what company, nothing.

“I just got told that you need to be here at a certain time and you’re going to dress in a certain way and this is your pay rate. That’s it.”

Towards the end of march and without any tender process, the Victorian Government contracted a number of private security operators to guard hotel quarantine guests.

The Gutter Trash has obtained a series of WhatsApp messages which reveal how some security guards were recruited to work in these Melbourne quarantine hotels.

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On May 30, three days after the first hotel coronavirus outbreak at Rydges on Swanston, there was a call out for “40 guards” to do quarantine work at the hotel.

When someone in the group asked about the rate of pay, the organiser responded, “25 dollars, ABN” — signifying the guards weren’t expected to be directly employed by the company, but act as independent contractors and supply an Australian Business Number.

Ms Shakshi also claimed there were no infection-control protocols at the Stamford Plaza when she worked there in May.

“We didn’t get any training when I got there,” she said.

“They just didn’t tell us what training we had to do, we just had to put a mask on, put gloves on, and that’s it.

“They had no training of how to use PPE (personal protective equipment), how to sanitise hands, nothing. No training at all.

“Then some levels didn’t have sanitisers, so it was really tricky.

“You just didn’t want to touch anything.”

At the end of her first day on the job, Ms Shakshi said her supervisors told her to bring her own personal protective equipment to wear the next day.

“Bring your own masks from tomorrow, bring your own gloves, your own sanitisers, because we might run out because we have so many guards on site,” she said.

She was so appalled she decided it wasn’t worth coming back.

“I was like, no, I don’t want to work at a place which is so unsafe.

“That was the first shift I did …first and last shift.

“I just didn’t want to go back there.”

Within weeks of Ms Shakshi cancelling the rest of her shifts, an outbreak linked to security guards at the hotel was confirmed.

“I just knew something would happen,” Ms Shakshi said.

“Guards were hitting each other. They’re hugging each other. They were touching each other.

“They weren’t actually serious about how serious this COVID is.

“They were taking it as a joke, like, oh, it’s just some virus that anyone can get. You know, we’re not going to get it.”

Ms Shakshi watched, horrified, as that initial COVID-19 outbreak spread.

And she is just glad she didn’t stay.

“It was just really scary working there because they didn’t care,” she said.

“It was really horrible.”

 

 

451 Comments leave one →
  1. July 22, 2020 4:56 pm

    To be fair though, who amongst us hasn’t got a job through Whatsapp….?

  2. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 22, 2020 5:20 pm

    It is going to be interesting following the money trail on this.

  3. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2020 5:51 pm

    Yes, and who could possibly have foreseen that engaging a few dozen uber drivers to fuck guard people in isolation might have resulted in transmission of the virus.

    It’s just bad luck.

  4. Tony permalink
    July 22, 2020 6:42 pm

    According to Tom R, the Westminster System of Responsible Government doesn’t apply here. He blames “the media and the libs”. So Dan’s off the hook then.

  5. Tony permalink
    July 22, 2020 7:32 pm

    “It might even be that every case of COVID-19 in Victoria in recent weeks could be sourced to the hotel quarantine program.” ~ Tony Neal QC on the opening day of Victoria’s coronavirus inquiry.

  6. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 22, 2020 7:50 pm

    To be fair though, who amongst us hasn’t got a job through Whatsapp….?

    Its a complicated world these days. For the first time in my life i recently paid for my haircut by tap and go on my Mastercard. It felt funny not using cash to pay for a haircut. Computers and taking over more and more. Who knows what is next.

  7. Tony permalink
    July 22, 2020 11:00 pm

    Funny because it’s true:

  8. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2020 8:06 am

    For those old enough to remember:

  9. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2020 8:42 am

    So, the libs have finally got the working utopia they have fought for over the years, and this is the reult.

    Can anyone pinpoint the Union involved here?

    Thought not 😉

  10. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2020 8:44 am

    And, the cliff we are falling off just got bigger

    The one thing virtually every economist can agree on is that cutting government spending in the middle of a recession will lead to a contraction in the size of the economy and an increase in unemployment. The idea is so uncontroversial that cutting government spending is called “contractionary fiscal policy” while increasing government spending is called “expansionary fiscal policy”. It’s not complicated.

    Despite some headlines suggesting Tuesday’s extension of the jobkeeper and jobseeker supplement is a new injection of money into the economy, in reality the announcement is a cut in the incomes of millions of people

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/22/the-australian-governments-decision-to-cut-benefits-is-based-on-feelings-not-facts

  11. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2020 8:48 am

    Treasurer Josh Frydenberg will unveil the largest budget deficit in more than 70 years and the deepest economic downturn since the Great Depression in a fiscal update revealing the destruction wrought on the country’s finances by the coronavirus recession. …. and the governments flaccid response and trashing of the economy in the run up to it

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/frydenberg-to-confirm-nation-s-largest-deficit-and-deepest-recession-20200722-p55eeb.html

  12. July 23, 2020 9:47 am

    “Treasurer Josh Frydenberg will unveil the largest budget deficit in more than 70 years and the deepest economic downturn since the Great Depression”

    My thoughts are with Neil of Sydney at this difficult time.

  13. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2020 9:49 am

    lol reb

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2020 11:30 am

    Yes, there are plenty of people demanding money for various causes, BUT… no one is saying –
    * how all the government largesse will be funded
    * it won’t be the recipients of all the money (or this generation) thatpays off the debt
    * that this will leave a HUGE debt legacy for future generations

    The media gives great coverage to the advocates of various causes, and provides zero coverage of the end result if all this.

    And those that express the most concern about our climate change legacy for future generations express the least concern about the debt legacy we leave for future generations.

  15. Tony permalink
    July 23, 2020 11:44 am

    God help us if this senile old man ever gets his hands on the presidency …

  16. July 23, 2020 12:48 pm

    “those that express the most concern about our climate change legacy for future generations express the least concern about the debt legacy we leave for future generations.”

    LINK……!!!!

  17. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2020 1:20 pm

    LINK……!!!!

    Perhaps he meant this one?

    and that a carbon border adjustment mechanism and a digital duty should be in place by Jan. 1, 2023

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/21/eu-leaders-reach-a-breakthrough-on-the-regions-recovery-fund.html

    or this one?

    A Melbourne university student has launched what has been described as a world-first legal case against the Australian government, accusing it of misleading investors in sovereign bonds by failing to disclose the financial risk caused by the climate crisis.

    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/jul/22/world-first-legal-case-student-accuses-australia-of-misleading-investors-on-climate-risk

    ?

  18. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2020 2:11 pm

    nils not gonna be happy

  19. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2020 2:18 pm

    “God help us if this senile old man ever gets his hands on the presidency …”

    Chauncey Biden may win the election but he will never get anywhere near being able to exercise power. That dribbling, blithering idiot will be lucky to last a month before he is killed off and whichever lefty hag is his VP will take over.

    Do you think Hunter will be campaigning with him? I’m sure that the Biden campaign will be in need of a coke roadie.

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2020 2:19 pm

    The organisations that are the most committed to promoting/advocating-
    * the interests of those missing out on government largesse
    * the climate change legacy for future generations
    …while ignoring the debt legacy we are leaving are…

    1. GetUp
    2. The Greens
    3. The ABC

    GetUp find it very easy to rationalise all this because they support the economic irrationality of Modern Monetary Theory, which basically means you ignore debt.

    The Greens really aren’t concerned with mounting debt, because their constituency is made up of public servants and welfare recipients.

    The ABC can’t resist interviews with advocates of those wanting more public funding, because they’re also part of that interest group.

  21. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2020 2:20 pm

    That’s what “peaceful protesters” do – protect goons like this:

  22. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2020 2:24 pm

    “nils not gonna be happy”

    Nobody should be happy at that level of debt.

  23. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 23, 2020 2:42 pm

    Nobody should be happy at that level of debt.

    We should have been running surplus budgets since 2013 but Australia did not want to do that. It is not that long ago but in 2007 the Commonwealth was debt free

  24. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2020 2:50 pm

    Apparently yomms been making shit up

  25. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 23, 2020 4:35 pm

    nils not gonna be happy

    I would really like to comment on Rudds Twitter post but i have been banned from Twitter. Most probably for the better because it is a waste of time.

    But we were debt free in 2007.

    But i guess you get banned from Twitter and The Guardian because somebody complains about your comment. I have seen lots of comments i disagree with and have never reported a single comment.

    Says a lot about the intolerant left.

  26. July 23, 2020 4:40 pm

    “Says a lot about the intolerant left.”

    Yet here you are.

  27. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2020 5:02 pm

    Yet here you are.”

    And what a jolly fine place it is!

    I’m a better person for being here and am grateful to the proprietor for hosting us fractious ne’er-do-wells.

    Why, I bet that if Neil stays around long enough even he will start to exhibit signs of intelligent life. This will be evident when he ventures beyond his predictable Pavlovian responses. He may even come to realise that “But we were debt free in 2007.”:

    (a) is not the answer to very question; and

    (b) raises more questions than it answers.

  28. July 23, 2020 5:59 pm

    “I’m a better person for being here and am grateful to the proprietor for hosting us fractious ne’er-do-wells.”

    Why thank you rectum what a lovely thing to say.

    Now if only all those other ungrateful arseholes would take a page out of your book…

  29. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 23, 2020 6:41 pm

    Splatterbum

    We were debt free in 1972 and in 2007..Both times Labor was elected and the rest is history.

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2020 6:42 pm

    Help wanted!

    “I want it to come to an end,” Mr Dutton said.

    What an excellent idea … this prick needs an end … and soon.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/people/2020/07/23/peter-dutton-biloela-tamil-hospital/

  31. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2020 6:55 pm

    but i have been banned from Twitter

    And it totally unrelated news

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53495316

    Oh, and wot Splats said, but with less words. Thanks reb

  32. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 23, 2020 7:23 pm

    What an excellent idea … this prick needs an end … and soon.

    Dutton released from detention all the children Labor locked up from 20008-2013.

    You know why you locked up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013 Mr TB of Queensland and of those 8,469 were children?

    Because like all ALP voters you do not believe in borders. You want one world govt ruled by your heroes the United Nations

    U R the PRICK

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2020 9:51 pm

    Dutton released from detention all the children

    Obviously not …

    Now your making up ToM shit … twice as stoopid as usual …

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2020 9:53 pm

    To be fair though, who amongst us hasn’t got a job through Whatsapp….?

    whatsapp with that?

  35. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 23, 2020 10:02 pm

    TB

    In 2008 you voted for a govt that dropped our borders because the ALP does not believe in borders and locked up 50,000 boat people. Of those 8.469 were children

    You want one world govt ruled by the UN

  36. Tom R permalink
    July 24, 2020 8:13 am

    whatsapp with that?

    And seems the grubmint wants to make it the norm

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2020 9:58 am

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  38. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2020 11:19 am

    Do these black lives matter to BLM?

  39. Tom R permalink
    July 24, 2020 12:02 pm

    Do these black lives matter to BLM?

    You recall a little march recently the rwdb’s tried to pin the second wave on?

  40. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2020 1:57 pm

    You recall a little march recently”

    Seemed they were focused on black deaths in custody. I must’ve missed the workshops teaching the partners of indigenous women to treat them better.

    And if you supported those stupid marches then you are not taking the whole Covid situation very seriously!

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 24, 2020 1:58 pm

    In 1996 govt debt was 18% of GDP. Howard took debt to zero by 2005 and less than zero by 2007. Since 2007 we have not run a surplus budget and racked up $400B of extra govt debt.

    What did we get for that extra $400B of deficit spending?

    Howard built more things running surplus budgets than any govt since 2007 running deficit budgets

  42. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2020 1:59 pm

    Of course some people overdo the whole Covid mask thing:
    https://teakdoor.com/attachments/jokes-and-funny-stories/50237d1588640229-coronavirus-jokes-mask-condom-png

  43. Tom R permalink
    July 24, 2020 3:00 pm

    Seemed they were focused on black deaths in custody.

    Well, der..

    But, just because the lolstrayan doesn’t see it, doesn’t mean it’s not there

    “The risks for Aboriginal women going into custody, you have to add on the fact that many are also primary caregivers to children.

    “The impacts are huge, and as well as that they’re often victims of domestic violence and sexual assault.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-05/anger-flares-over-treatment-of-indigenous-women-in-custody/12319734

  44. Tom R permalink
    July 24, 2020 3:05 pm

    Pretty sure this won’t change our long term pre-occupation with budget deficits, but it does have a nice feel about it. So glad the libs cheated their way into the last election, although, I’m pretty sure within the next year, I’ll be wishing someone competent like Labor were there

    In one of those strange quirks of fate, the Coalition that used to screech apocalyptically about “debt and deficit disasters” and “budget emergencies” is the same Coalition that will deliver a deficit of $85.8bn in 2019-20 and $184.5bn in 2020-21. Gross debt will also hit a new record ($851.9bn by June 2021). Taxes are down, and the Treasury doesn’t know when revenue collections will improve. Expenditure is up, reflecting the crisis conditions. To cut a long story short, the economy was sputtering before the pandemic hit, and Covid-19 has delivered a body blow. Australia will endure its largest annual fall in economic history during 2020 – a year most of us want cancelled.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/23/australian-economic-update-can-we-believe-treasurys-glass-half-full-outlook?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    We are truly in dangerous waters

  45. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 24, 2020 3:50 pm

    TomR

    In 1972 and in 2007 The Commonwealth was debt free. Both times Labor was elected and both times they trashed the budget.

    But since 1972 there is only one govt to reduce govt debt- Howard/Costello

  46. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2020 4:59 pm

    This is hilarious – “objective rational linear thinking” is racist.

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2020 6:45 pm

    Treasurer @JoshFrydenberg says will be also inspired by Reagan and supply economics. Reagan ran budget deficits thru his two terms

    Reagan! FFS! These people are so fucking naive when it comes to economic history!

    Actually global history in general! Fuckwits all!

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 24, 2020 6:55 pm

    In 1972 and in 2007 the Commonwealth was debt free. Both time people voted Labor and both time Labor trashed the budget.

    Debt went from zero in 1972 to 18% of GDP by 1996. In one of the greatest achievements in history Howard/Costello took debt to ZERO by 2007

    Then TB of Queensland voted for Rudd in 2007 and dropped our borders and locked up 8,469 children, trashed the budget, destroyed our car industry, destroyed our low unemployment rate etc

    TB of Queensland is a destroyer of the lives of people like ALL Labor party voters

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2020 7:01 pm

    For the uneducated

  50. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 24, 2020 8:10 pm

    “””””””””For the uneducated”””””””””””

    In 1972 and in 2007 the Commonwealth was debt free. Unemployment in 1972 was at 2% and in 2007 was at 4%

    Please go away and try and deceive somebody else more easily deceived by your lies

  51. July 25, 2020 7:54 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2020 8:50 am

    Eventually they catch up and the lights go on …

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/25/workplace-insecurity-pervades-the-whole-economy-just-when-every-job-is-under-threat

    You had to grow up in the 60’s to know this was the real problem …

    Do not become the 51st state …

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2020 8:53 am

    … would RWNJs be defending its name?

    I’m going to complain to Cadbury’s about their White Chocolate … and any other companies I can fins … I have a friend called Tammy who’s going to complain about Tim Tam’s …

    Kitty’s written a complaint about Kit Kat’s … it’s insulting to have her name associated with cats …

  54. Tony permalink
    July 25, 2020 2:40 pm

    Aged care facilities snd abattoirs are our preferred incubators.

  55. Tony permalink
    July 25, 2020 2:53 pm

  56. Tony permalink
    July 25, 2020 3:29 pm

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2020 3:29 pm

    How many have died during this outbreak? And the government has just introduced the industrial manslaughter laws.

    Imagine if the owner of a toxic waste facility contracted out seurity to poorly trained guards. Then a dozen people died because of an unexpected leak

    I have no doubt that the principal would be charged as well as the security contractor.

    You can’t contract out your safety responsibilities.

  58. Tony permalink
    July 25, 2020 3:30 pm

  59. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2020 4:02 pm

    hmm, so, who let it into Aged care then Tony?

  60. Tony permalink
    July 25, 2020 5:13 pm

    hmm, so, who let it into Aged care then Tony?

    I dunno, “the media and the libs”? Or maybe ask the people who are running this shit show, Dan Andrews and his cronies.

  61. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2020 10:41 pm

    Or maybe ask the people who are running this shit show

    You mean, the Commonwealth Government. They are responsible for Aged care in this country, not the states

  62. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2020 11:34 pm

  63. Tony permalink
    July 26, 2020 5:19 am

    You mean, the Commonwealth Government. They are responsible for Aged care in this country, not the states

    Wrong again. Remember that federalism thing you liked so much when it was about states going their own way on school closures? Well the same applies to the aged care sector. Anything to deflect responsibility from your Labor cult, I suppose. 🙄

    https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/aged-care-sector-coronavirus-disease-covid-19

  64. Tony permalink
    July 26, 2020 6:20 am

    Good.

    Wall Street Journal:

    A Note to Readers
    These pages won’t wilt under cancel-culture pressure.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/a-note-to-readers-11595547898

  65. Tony permalink
    July 26, 2020 6:32 am

    In case of paywalls, the full editorial by the WSJ Opinion department:

    We’ve been gratified this week by the outpouring of support from readers after some 280 of our Wall Street Journal colleagues signed (and someone leaked) a letter to our publisher criticizing the opinion pages. But the support has often been mixed with concern that perhaps the letter will cause us to change our principles and content. On that point, reassurance is in order.

    In the spirit of collegiality, we won’t respond in kind to the letter signers. Their anxieties aren’t our responsibility in any case. The signers report to the News editors or other parts of the business, and the News and Opinion departments operate with separate staffs and editors. Both report to Publisher Almar Latour. This separation allows us to pursue stories and inform readers with independent judgment.

    It was probably inevitable that the wave of progressive cancel culture would arrive at the Journal, as it has at nearly every other cultural, business, academic and journalistic institution. But we are not the New York Times. Most Journal reporters attempt to cover the news fairly and down the middle, and our opinion pages offer an alternative to the uniform progressive views that dominate nearly all of today’s media.

    As long as our proprietors allow us the privilege to do so, the opinion pages will continue to publish contributors who speak their minds within the tradition of vigorous, reasoned discourse. And these columns will continue to promote the principles of free people and free markets, which are more important than ever in what is a culture of growing progressive conformity and intolerance.

  66. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 10:41 am

    Great job parents – every three year old needs to learn to chant “Fuck the police”. Mongrel child abusers!

  67. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 11:05 am

    Typical peaceful protester:

  68. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 11:31 am

    I knew it all along – glory holes are go!

  69. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 11:36 am

    Funny because it is so true:

  70. July 26, 2020 11:46 am

    “I knew it all along – glory holes are go!”

    You really do bring a most unique perspective to this blog, splatterbottom.

  71. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 12:02 pm

    My concern with glory holes is that they end up turning one into a size queen. They are not much use to the ungifted.

  72. Tom R permalink
    July 26, 2020 3:10 pm

    Sorry tosy, the feds might want to lump it all on the states, but ultimate responsibility, like with quarantine, remains a Federal responsibility

    How else could the Feds prevent Aged care workers from accessing Corona leave if they feel sick? The feds wanted this system of dog eat dog, and they are seeing the results.

    https://www.australianageingagenda.com.au/executive/state-govs-still-responsible-for-aged-care/

  73. Tony permalink
    July 26, 2020 4:10 pm

    Sorry tosy, the feds might want to lump it all on the states, but ultimate responsibility, like with quarantine, remains a Federal responsibility

    Bullshit. The states are making the rules about covid response in aged care – such as number of visitors, staffing, admissions and a hundred other things – so are responsible for the consequences of those decisions.

    The following plan is unique to Victoria. Have a look who produced it.

    https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/202007/COVID-19%20Residential%20Aged%20Care%20Facilities%20Plan%20V3.docx

  74. Tom R permalink
    July 26, 2020 5:15 pm

    The states are making the rules about covid response in aged care

    What do you think the national cabinet is about? It’s the feds who have the final say. They cannot be Pontius Pilate here, they have ultimate responsibility. If the Vic state government has enacted a plan, it would need to be ratified by the Federal Government, As I highlighted, they wanted their workers to be able to access Covid pay, but the Feds stopped that.

    So the Vics have tried to enact a plan, the Feds stopped parts of it, they need to take responsibility for that.

    Of course, they won’t

  75. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 5:21 pm

    What say you, Tom R:

  76. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 5:24 pm

    Chopper has insight into Victoria:

  77. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 5:30 pm

    Animal rights activists are the weirdest of all:

  78. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 5:32 pm

    I think those of you into to cow-raping would do it just for fun!

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2020 6:45 pm

    Mongrel child abusers!

    I struggle to understand that video! (as a parent and grandparent – I have always objected to kids being “used’ in any protest for any cause …)

    I knew it all along – glory holes are go!

    Just finding this shit is sick, sb (and re-posting it!)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    They cannot be Pontius Pilate here, they have ultimate responsibility.

    Absolutely that’s why the Federal Police are … hang on?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Chopper has insight into Victoria: Impressed by the nicest folk …

    Cows are raped for cheese? Potatoes are roasted as non-believers … duh!

    I think those of you into to cow-raping would do it just for fun!

    You do know where milk actually comes from?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see you lot have been busy but not very productive (ie effective and efficient)

    I shall continue with SBS on Demand and “The Bureau” Season 4 … great TV – for a French production … is that culturist? Is culturist a word?

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2020 7:16 pm

    What do you think the national cabinet is about? It’s the feds who have the final say.

    Yeah! The National Cabinet made all those decisions, like-
    * Don’t use the ADF when it is offered
    * 5 minutes training is the national standard
    * Whatsapp is the best way of recruiting security guards for a dangerous environment
    * The best security guards are in high demand – for uber driving and pizza delivery

    National Cabinet also determined that if security guards are going to be paid low wages, they’re welcome to root those in isolation

  81. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 26, 2020 7:47 pm

    I struggle to understand that video! (as a parent and grandparent – I have always objected to kids being “used’ in any protest for any cause …)

    This is what you voted for in 2007

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/young-looking-refugees-sent-offshore

    Young-looking children were chosen to be transferred to the harsh Manus Island refugee detention centre to discourage other refugees from coming to Australia, an inquiry has heard……Gregory Lake, the former director of offshore processing and transfers at the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, told the inquiry he was directed by a ministerial staff member to choose the youngest-looking children from among those eligible for the first transfer of detained people from Australia to Manus Island in 2012, when Labor was in government.

  82. Tom R permalink
    July 26, 2020 9:37 pm

    What say you, Tom R:

    Was a good year, but, there have been many. Not sure ‘birthing’ is the correct phrase,it was Iron Maidens first, but definitely not the others.

    1970 was also a good year, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple all at once. I don’t like picking individual years, but the tweet certainly does have a point.

    I see yomm is back to his simplistic dot points of bullshit. Wonder if he realizes all the weaknesses being exposed are a direct result of the poor working conditions he has been arguing for over the years.

    Yay, you won, welcome to your Brave New World

  83. Tom of Melboutne permalink
    July 26, 2020 10:19 pm

    Really? A Victorian ALP government chooses to use poorly trained, poorly paid contractors when they are offered the ADF!! And you think that’s about IR policy??

    That’s about competence, and the state government is showing very little of that. They were the biggest talking government and have proven to be the least effective.

  84. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 8:30 am

    chooses to use poorly trained, poorly paid contractors

    You know all states did. It’s all there is available. This is thanks to your new world order

    Yet there is nothing ‘systematic’ about one person breaking the rules. That is the result of being urged to do that, from the pm down.

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 8:51 am

    Imagine circumstances where a toxic waste site is secured by people that aren’t up to the job.

    The waste leaks out, and within a month 20 people are dead from the toxic contamination.

    Do you think the operators of the site would get way with declining to answer questions while they await the outcome of their 3 month review?
    ——————-

    All states didn’t use contractors, they used the ADF. But for some unknown reason the ALP government declined this offer – and Victoria’s CMO and the review suggest that the current outbreak is due to the inadequate security.

    With 20 people dead as a consequence (no to mention that the Victorian economy is a basket case) maybe a little outrage is warranted.

    Dan Andrews – all talk, but doesn’t do the basics.

  86. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 9:07 am

    Do you think the operators of the site would get way with declining to answer questions while they await the outcome of their 3 month review?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-24/report-into-cfa-fiskville-training-facility-tabled-in-parliament/7440840

    All states didn’t use contractors, they used the ADF

    https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/coronavirus-sydney-covid19-hotel-quarantine-standards-slammed-by-returnees-for-dirty-rooms-and-lax-ppe-approach/da1f0fb3-719a-47f9-b66e-da081be7682a

    Not that the ADF are models to follow. There are many stories of them breaking their own rules too.

    all talk, but doesn’t do the basics.

    Hang on, wasn’t he Comrade Dan a while back, then cavalier, then, when he shut down the towers, it was back to Comrade.

    It’s dizzying watching the tailspins from armchair X-spurts

    Meanwhile, other states are finding that, from one small outbreak, large clusters appear. Why are you not lumping it all at their feet?

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 9:21 am

    * tougher restrictions – how many of those now deceased caught it playing golf?
    * kept the restrictions on longer – that helped
    * security guards root those in isolation – no wonder they’re willing to take the job for $20/hour

    Conclusion – blame Sam Newman!

  88. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 9:30 am

    security guards root those in isolation

    Guard yomm, the singular expression. And I’d presume hearing the sam newmans of the world would influence someone like that.

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 9:37 am

    And the journalist who wrote extensively about it in The Age provided early warning to the government, but they did nothing.

    The medical authorities warned them and they did nothing.

    But somehow, for this debacle/fiasco/catastrophe you want to blame-
    * Sam Newman
    * Industrial relations laws
    * The federal government
    * And I suppose golfers

  90. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 9:40 am

    By the way, is “fiasco” the correct term in this instance? It implies a degree of embarrassment and I’ve not seen any exhibited by the government.

    Certainly “debacle” and “catastrophe” seem suitable.

  91. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 9:45 am

    and I’ve not seen any exhibited by the government.

    I know it’s only your state and all, but perhaps you could watch one of Dan Andrews extensive conferences, where he answers every question, and takes the ultimate blame for everything. Something our pm would never countenance. In fact, even with cases rising everywhere, he is still pushing for open borders, and less pay for workers.

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 10:01 am

    Andrews “takes responsibility” has he apologised for the negligent system his government was responsible for? And what are the consequences of him taking responsibility ?

    Mouthing platitudes, obfuscation and blaming others are Andrews’ specialty

    It;s a debacle/fiasco/catastrophe

  93. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 10:19 am

    Oh, so taking ultimate responsibility is “Mouthing platitudes” lol

    Get back to yer library and try reading a book rather than a comic

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 10:33 am

    The government provides inadequate safety oversight of a risky workplace with poor safety systems.

    A couple of dozen people die as a consequence, with more to come -every day for the foreseeable future. Many more are on life support. The state economy is f***ed. There is no sign of improvement, it’s getting worse.

    But Dan Andrews – “takes responsibility ” , provides no explanation, sets up a (non binding, optional participation) review that hasn’t even started yet, and won’t report for months, and that’s good enough for Tom R.

  95. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 10:58 am

    and that’s good enough for Tom R.

    Still making shit up I see. Perhaps I should ask for a link?

    You know, your argument would be stronger if you didn’t keep making things up, or, in the colloquial, if you just stopped lying.

    It’s becoming quite a habit for you

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 11:19 am

    So do you think the actions of Andrews and his ministers have been adequate?

    Because all i have seen so far is you vociferously defending them.

  97. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 11:35 am

    Because all i have seen so far is you vociferously defending them.

    Aaaand, the lies continue

    “I’m not saying the Andrews government shouldn’t take responsibility, it was their stupid idea to use contractors”

    https://theguttertrash.com/2020/07/02/australians-totally-smashed-at-home-during-covid-19/#comment-173964

  98. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 12:04 pm

    The Post Truth age is killing people

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 1:07 pm

    it was their stupid idea to use contractors

    It isn’t limited to stupidity, it is negligence because-
    * the principal has a duty to ensure there are safety systems in the workplace that they have contracted to a third party
    * the government is the principal and they neglected to ensure that the systems were audited sufficiently to prevent an outbreak
    * the government has recently passed legislation regarding industrial manslaughter and therefore was fully aware of the absolute obligation in this regard
    * the relevant ministers are a former union secretary and commercial lawyer who are fully conversant in regulations regarding workplace safety, and they didn’t fulfil their responsibilities

  100. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 1:26 pm

    I’ll take that as a sorry then 😉

  101. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 3:05 pm

    When your successes come home to bite you in the arse

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2020 6:30 pm

    * Don’t use the ADF when it is offered
    * 5 minutes training is the national standard
    * Whatsapp is the best way of recruiting security guards for a dangerous environment
    * The best security guards are in high demand – for uber driving and pizza delivery

    1. At the time the ADF probably wasn’t necessary (they do have other things to do rather than baby sit recalcitrant Victorians

    2. How much training do you think the ADF gets to “guard” recalcitrant Victorians … IT’S NOT their JOB

    3. Never used Whatsap … have you?

    4. So you recommend the ADF because they have training in Uber driving and pizza delivery?

    You really an ignorant (in the true meaning of the word) twat!

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2020 6:35 pm

    It’s all there is available. This is thanks to your new world order

    ie Robber Barons, practising Uber Kapitalism …

    And ADF personnel are not trained/paid to babysit fuckwits … they are trained to “remove” them …

    It’s dizzying watching the tailspins from armchair X-spurts

    Especially the ones here … oh, and Bananaby

  104. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 6:43 pm

    Yeah TB…why use the ADF (like other states) because the security contractors worked so well, and we’re all safe here.

    You really are a particularly ignorant twat

  105. Tony permalink
    July 27, 2020 10:04 pm

    You really are a particularly ignorant twat

    Is that pronounced ‘twat’ as in hat, or ‘twot’ as in hot? Asking for an acquaintance.

  106. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2020 8:16 am

    Is that pronounced ‘acquaintance’ as in ‘acquaintance’ or ‘acquaintance’ as in ‘twat’?

  107. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2020 8:23 am

    Unions do what the government won’t. It’s only been because of months of pressure that this has come about

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/27/aged-care-workers-awarded-pandemic-leave-in-fair-work-commission-ruling

    Meanwhile, the one with final responsibility says all is honky dory (and it’s all that Dan Andrews fault anyway)

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/27/significant-risk-of-dying-australian-aged-care-workers-accuse-minister-of-playing-down-safety-concerns

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2020 9:09 am

    You really are a particularly ignorant twat

    Can’t even make yer own insults … have to be told everything … get tested! Get a mask!

    I’d suggest signing up for the ADF but you wouldn’t get through the door …

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 28, 2020 10:07 am

    Really TB, why do you bother to post nonsense that even an ignorant twat would know is wrong?

    Other states used the ADF to guard those in hotel isolation. The federal government offered this to all states.

    Victoria declined, and used contractors with 5 minutes training, no screening and no PPE. So unsurprisingly the virus leaked out. Now dozens of people are dead and the state is a health and economic basket case.

    But you seem ignorant of those facts.

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 28, 2020 12:24 pm

    Great news here! We’re down to 384 cases and only 6 deaths!

    It’s all going to plan!

    “Stay the course”

  111. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2020 1:54 pm

  112. Back`In`Black`Teabag permalink
    July 28, 2020 1:59 pm

    You`re still remaining men together. Trapped in a clockwork of space primates. We have front row seats to this theater of mass destruction.

    ~

    Operation Latte Thunder. Kill two birds with one stone. Destroy a Corporate Economy, and trash a franchise of Color`d Tape Cutters.

    ~

    Let`s All thank Thomas. With enough Cut Colored Tape, we can blow up just about anything.

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2020 2:10 pm

    But you seem ignorant of those facts.

    Not a bit … its your interpretation of those facts that I’m commenting on … not a new phenomena but you still reside in reside in Alice’s Wonderlan

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2020 2:12 pm

    As for Tbag … who knows what wonderland he/she live in …

  115. Back`In`Black`Teabag permalink
    July 28, 2020 2:46 pm

    Don`t you worry about me old sock, just keep goosestepping along in the corporatist youth, virtue signalling your uni degree and purity of blood, while the nation is asset stripped and loaded up with sovereign risk. All will be fine under the current unleadership with unplanning, and unvision. Step right up and get a real estate deal in wamberal.

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 28, 2020 3:05 pm

    …who knows what wonderland he/she live in …

    I belive he/she uses the site below to write the comments

    https://wordcounter.net/random-word-generator

  117. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2020 3:09 pm

    And in the lostrayan no less

    While most of the media coverage has laid the blame for the Ruby Princess and hotel quarantine mistakes at the feet of the respective state governments in NSW and Victoria, the fact is both failures firmly rest at the feet of the federal government — notwithstanding acknowledged mistakes made by the states.

    Simply put, the Australian Border Force is in charge of incoming arrivals, with the commonwealth given constitutionally articulated responsibility for quarantining. The Constitution, in section 51 (IX), lays out in black and white that the commonwealth, not the states, has oversight for quarantine. It is the basis for the Quarantine Act, which has not been legally challenged since 1908, including during the 1919 pandemic. We also now have the Biosecurity Act (2015), which provides extremely broad powers, and it mandates that commonwealth powers supersede those of the states.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/the-buck-on-quarantine-stops-with-the-commonwealth/news-story/eb81cf5c8dd6d3582ba710ee0552409f

    Mind you, it is pvo, who sometimes appears to be like a lefty he thinks Nazis are, but, the facts are the facts, as awkward as they may be.

    (Still doesn’t excuse the Andrews Government for not using police etc to oversee private contractors)

    It also doesn’t excuse Border Force for farming out their responsibility. Failures all around.

  118. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 28, 2020 4:25 pm

    An interesting Question:

  119. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2020 8:35 am

    I see our industrious media are trying to spin the Feds failure in regards to aged care as another Dan Andrews failure

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/daniel-andrews-deadly-mistake-in-victorias-aged-care-coronavirus-crisis-has-been-revealed/news-story/919a5aa86c04757e18e7311b09db4749

    When they say “suspend elective surgeries” what they mean is, “can you stop doing what you are doing and look after our mess. We have underfunded aged care so much that we cannot cope. Please help us. Oh, and we’ll blame you”

  120. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2020 9:41 am

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 29, 2020 10:38 am

    I think the constitution talks about free trade between the states. Perhaps the government prefers to support the law.

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 29, 2020 10:42 am

    Section 92 of the Constitution of Australia-

    … trade, commerce, and intercourse among the States, whether by means of internal carriage or ocean navigation, shall be absolutely free.

    It has always been a problem for thise premiers wanting to close their borders.

  123. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2020 11:09 am

    Perhaps the government prefers to support the law.

    ROFL

    Oh, you were trying to be serious?

  124. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2020 11:10 am

  125. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 29, 2020 11:13 am

    You don’t think a federal government might be interested in having something to say about the constitution??

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2020 12:04 pm

    Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has announced “no one from Sydney is allowed into Queensland” as she shuts the border …

    Now fucking stay out! 😡

    This is three weeks … you may remember a comment I made THREE weeks a go … that a friend who works in the testing lab here was told she would be very busy NOW …

    Dog knows where half a million “visitors” are hiding in Queensland …

  127. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 29, 2020 12:26 pm

    Of course i know it isn’t unfettered. And it’s also reasonable that the federal government state it’s position.

    And I think it’s bizarre that you’d suggest that the federal government’s position will be based on the politics of Clive Palmer.

  128. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2020 2:08 pm

    And I think it’s bizarre that you’d suggest that the federal government’s position will be based on the politics of Clive Palmer.

    Oh how we laughed

    Meanwhile .

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison has been accused of bungling the response to Victoria’s COVID-19 aged care outbreak after sending in junior nurses to fight the deadly virus.

    It has prompted Victorian officials to warn of a “sh*tshow” in the sector after they were forced to break into medicine cabinets at a Melbourne nursing home.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/coronavirus-australia-scott-morrison-daniel-andrews-in-aged-care-debacle/news-story/be35c644fc3af1eb6329a219b62a5650

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2020 2:59 pm

    … based on the politics of Clive Palmer

    Who? Is he someone speshul?

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2020 6:48 pm

    Queensland … three and counting …

    The two people responsible, fake IDs, need to be in jail now … 19 years old … adults … work in schools … responsible … go to church oh, ohhhh …

    Seems the fuckwits are right across the nation globe … (but I always knew that)

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2020 8:34 pm

    Reading through the posts i come to the conclusion, what is the point? People believe what they want to believe and facts are irrelevant.

    You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say

    From 2008-2013, TB of Queensland, Reb, Walrus and any body who voted for Rudd locked up 8,469 children.

    If Labor got back into power who knows what they would do next

  132. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 29, 2020 8:48 pm

    There is a maniacally reductionist stupidity to your arguments, Neil:

    From 2008-2013, TB of Queensland, Reb, Walrus and any body who voted for Rudd locked up 8,469 children.”

    In your next sentence you say “If Labor got back into power who knows what they would do next”. Does that mean that anyone voting Labor next time will have personally performed every bad act done under that administration even as you admit that you don’t even know what they will do?

  133. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 30, 2020 9:18 am

    Pro tip:

  134. Walrus permalink
    July 30, 2020 11:51 am

    So 723 Victorian golfers tested positive today

  135. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2020 1:27 pm

    I think there may have been a dozen fishing enthusiasts among the 700.

    All the ‘stay the course’ statements from Andrews seem to have worked, so did fining-
    * people alone in their cars
    * people having a picnic
    * golfers

    Clearly we have over 700 cases because too many people are fishing, driving and playing golf

  136. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 30, 2020 2:05 pm

    Splatterbum

    Labor does not believe in borders. I don’t think they believe in the nation State. They do not think it matters where you are born. I think Labor wants one world govt ruled by the UN

  137. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2020 2:31 pm

    Clearly we have over 700 cases because apparently one whatsapp guard got his rocks off.

  138. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2020 2:59 pm

    “People believe what they want to believe and facts are irrelevant.”

    “I think Labor wants one world govt ruled by the UN”

    Unsurprisement much

  139. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 30, 2020 3:34 pm

    I think Labor wants one world govt ruled by the UN”

    The first two words of that sentence are a stone cold lie.

  140. Walrus permalink
    July 30, 2020 3:59 pm

  141. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 30, 2020 4:02 pm

    I gave my opinion Rudd/Gillard locked up 50,000 boat people because Labor does not believe in borders.

    TomR

    I gave my belief/opinion. Facts are irrelevant. People believe what they want to believe

    My belief is that Labor does not believe in borders

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    July 30, 2020 6:18 pm

    There is actually no hope for this State. People are simply too stupid.

    Let’s try the country! NSW is in trouble dickheads. Queensland is in trouble fuckwits – at least they face up to five years in jail … DID YOU READ THAT WANKERS!

    But why is Palaczuk waiting until Saturday to close the borders again? Gives the WANKERS a crack at crossing the border … again.

    It’s not fkn hard, wash yer hands, don’t touch yer face, get TESTED, isolate when told and STAY there, wear a mask when told or when you are with a lot of people.

    Pre-school is obviously not working …

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    July 30, 2020 6:20 pm

    People believe what they want to believe

    My belief is that Labor does not believe in borders

    I’d give my belief/opinion of you but you would only believe what you wanted to believe.

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2020 8:30 pm

    Here on the coast, we’re going to start wearing masks!

    If we move to isolation, I want to (at least) have a drink with the security guards before we root.

    I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

  145. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2020 9:01 pm

    I’m pretty sure the security guards would NEED the drink yomm 😉

  146. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 30, 2020 9:21 pm

    I’d give my belief/opinion of you but you would only believe what you wanted to believe.

    You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.

    Rudd/Gillard locked up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013 because they dropped our borders. Why did labor drop our borders? Because they do not believe in borders.

    Ultimately Labor wants one world govt ruled by the UN. A world without borders

  147. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2020 8:34 am

    Good to see some organizations are still fighting to save people rather than profits

  148. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2020 9:07 am

    Yes, something has to give. Buying elections is not good for democracy, in any shape or form

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 31, 2020 9:51 am

    As soon as Wayne Swan comments on anything the political bullshit meter dials to “DANGER/EXTREME”

  150. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2020 10:23 am

    fer yomm, just cos I know it eats at his soul (should any of it still remain)

    Treasurer Wayne Swan has been awarded the prestigious finance minister of the year award for his handling of the Australian economy.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-21/swan-named-best-treasurer/2908654

  151. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2020 10:31 am

    And if that didn’t do it, this should complete the job 🙂

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2020 10:39 am

    As soon as Wayne Swan comments on anything the political bullshit meter dials to “DANGER/EXTREME”

    As soon as ToM comments on anything the political bullshit meter dials to “DANGER/EXTREME”

    Fixed.

  153. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2020 10:51 am

    🙂

  154. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 31, 2020 11:32 am

    Just for TB-

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.

    Oscar Wilde

  155. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2020 12:06 pm

    Correction isn’t imitation though yomm, it’s just ……. correction. 😉

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2020 12:23 pm

    Bugger, TR! Beat me … and guess who taught us the “technique”? Thanks, ToM … get tested HARD! (I am a fan of another Tom … ) 😎

  157. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 31, 2020 1:01 pm

    I think it has been explained to you several times TB, people with (even mild) symptoms are tested.

    People, like me, with absolutely no sign of any illness aren’t.

    … and guess who taught us the “technique”?

    Then i can genuinely say- Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.

  158. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 31, 2020 2:51 pm

    “”””””””””””””As soon as Wayne Swan comments on anything the political bullshit meter dials to “DANGER/EXTREME”””””””””””””””””””

    Here is some good advice from Swan

  159. Tony permalink
    July 31, 2020 4:18 pm

    Jeez, thanks for the shopping tips Swanny. I’ve been doing it wrong. 🙄

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2020 6:37 pm

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.

    I had no idea … you were “great” … in what tho’?

    People, like me, with absolutely no sign of any illness aren’t.

    Politically motivated stir crazy counts … get TESTED …

    Jeez, thanks for the shopping tips Swanny. I’ve been doing it wrong.

    Mm-mm-m …

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2020 6:41 pm

    Jeez, thanks for the shopping tips Swanny. I’ve been doing it wrong. 🙄

    2007? FMD!

    Q: Why do LNP supporters always live in the past?

    A: Because the future is beyond them … 😉

  162. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 31, 2020 7:54 pm

    “””””””””2007? FMD!”””””””””

    2007 was the last time the Commonwealth ran a surplus budget. Since then we have not run one surplus budget racking up $400B of govt debt with nothing to show for that $400B

    Anyone with a brain knew what Labor would do to the budget. Unlike the great John Howard the current Coalition govt cannot fix Rudd/Swans budget mess

    Fact is we are now doomed to increasing govt debt, most probably forever

  163. Tony permalink
    July 31, 2020 9:08 pm

  164. Tony permalink
    August 1, 2020 3:43 pm

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    August 1, 2020 6:35 pm

    Aw what the fuck … that’s mmmm …. mmmm … dumb?

  166. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2020 9:28 am

    Thank to the incompetent/negligent hotel isolation practices, Victoria is about to become an absolute basketcase .

    Thanks to –
    * ALP
    * Daniel Andrews
    * union demarcs
    * political imagery above public safety

  167. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2020 3:28 pm

    Thank to the incompetent/negligent hotel isolation practices, Victoria is about to become an absolute basketcase .

    So, all those people breaking the rules, and private aged care facilities not being able to cope, is all because of .. allegedly … one hotel guard?

  168. Tony permalink
    August 2, 2020 3:50 pm

    Cut the bullshit Tom R. The Victorian government failed to properly quarantine returning travellers. As a direct result the virus spread to the community at large. It’s now so out of control, from tonight Melbourne will be suffering a nightly curfew, business closures, and many other draconian restrictions.

  169. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2020 4:01 pm

    As a direct result the virus spread to the community at large.

    As a direct result of one person, and then many, who broke rules.

  170. Tony permalink
    August 2, 2020 5:02 pm

    As a direct result of one person, and then many, who broke rules.

    No, as a direct result if a systemic failure to contain the virus to quarantine hotels. There is no “one person”. The government failed in its duty to protect its citizens. Even the Victorian Chief Health Officer concedes all of the current outbreak can be traced back to the quarantine hotels.

  171. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2020 5:16 pm

    As a direct result of one person, and then many, who broke rules.

    Are you aware that negligent process doesn’t require many opportunities to cause a complete debacle.

    As you know inadequate workplace safety procedures might only have one person to have a fatality. But I don’t think you look for similar excuses for workplace fatalities.

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2020 5:20 pm

    Armchair experts abound, it seems …

    Wonderful thing hindsight …

    A battle plan is useless after the first shot is fired …

    Any good professional manager will make decisions knowing that 30% of those decisions will be wrong …

    A system is only as good as the people who support and follow it …

    How’s NSW faring? … QLD opened its borders too soon (amid much angst from the PM and NSW Premiere)

    I see the Federal Govt has dropped its partnership with Clive Palmer against WA to open its borders … hindsight?

    Refusing to wear a mask and stay inside during a pandemic – is like the people during the London Blitz who refused to follow the Blackout … only takes one household to leave their light on – despite the Air Raid Wardens – sound familiar?

    Problem with the whingers is that their “freedoms” have been taken away from them … they always expect someone else to do the “fighting for freedom” on their behalf … Covid 19 took your “freedom”, fight it with every weapon we have … not the people trying to manage the process …

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2020 5:25 pm

    But I don’t think you look for similar excuses for workplace fatalities.

    Poor analogy it would depend on the investigation and the causes* … or a commission …

    As you know inadequate workplace safety procedures might only have one person to have a fatality.

    Or many … I’m sure you can look ’em up …

    *This is a classic case of Multiple Causation

  174. Tony permalink
    August 2, 2020 5:53 pm

  175. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2020 6:18 pm

    Ever heard of root cause TB?

    Try google because you don’t seem familiar with it.

  176. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2020 6:19 pm

    Social. Distancing. Officer.

    Sack Diktator Dane NOW! It’s all his fault that Aged Care homes have been so run down that they cannot apply simple rules that younger people routinely break (often at the behest of conservative commentators)

    It found the aged-care system failed to meet the needs of its older, vulnerable citizens: “It does not deliver uniformly safe and quality care for older people. It is unkind and uncaring towards them. In too many instances, it simply neglects them.”

    These findings in 2019 are sad testimony that nothing much – if anything – has changed in 14 years. I

    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2020/08/01/aged-care-failings-hurt-morrison/159620400010202

    Dan Andrews stood up and took the blame for hiring poorly trained security guards who broke rules. I see morrisons first impulse was to background his pet reporters and try to blame Andrews for that too. Sucked in, nobody’s buying it!

  177. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2020 6:25 pm

    root cause?

  178. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2020 6:35 pm

    Victoria the Garden State Basket Case

    https://vplates.com.au/browse-styles/retro

  179. Tony permalink
    August 2, 2020 6:46 pm

    Dan Andrews stood up and took the blame for hiring poorly trained security guards who broke rules.

    You’d have a link for that then? I recall him duckshoving it off to a judicial enquiry, specificslly stating he wouldn’t stand in judgement of himself. Shouldn’t be hard for you to find this mea culpa though – it would have been all over the media.

  180. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2020 6:48 pm

    The media is being far too soft an Andrews. The types of questions that journalists should ask at news conferences-

    * Are you culpable because of the death of several dozen people because the virus was transmitted via your isolation procedures?
    * Hundreds of thousands of Victorians are now unemployed because you have shut the economy down, and this is due to your isolation procedures, do you feel any shame?
    * Is worksafe investigating this dreadful workplace and public safety failure with a view to prosecuting government officials?

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2020 9:30 pm

    Ever heard of root cause TB?

    Don’t be a dickwit that’s why I used the term Multiple Causation … I worked for the National consultancy that pushed Root Cause Analysis and proved that there is more than ONE cause to any incident … way out of your league sunshine!

    The media is being far too soft an Andrews. The types of questions that journalists should ask at news conferences-

    Do you actually work for Mordock? Skynews? The Young Liberals? (probably not) Sooty from Marketing? or just looking for a cushy government job?

    Every comment you make is laced with right wing whinger politics … as bad as young Kneel …

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2020 10:30 pm

    …way out of your league sunshine!

    Yeah! I bet it’s right up there with your other “best practices”-
    * the 30 second job interview
    * the competency test for being pissed at work (which you prefer to bac)

    Thanks for reminding me of your areas of expertise.

  183. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2020 8:38 am

    You’d have a link for that then?

    Awkwardly, no. Lot’s of articles sheeting home the blame to him. Maybe he didn’t then?

    Of course, if it is his fault that worker(s) he hired are the result of letting it out of quarantine, then whose fault is it that workers let it into aged care facilities

    * the 30 second job interview
    * the competency test for being pissed at work (which you prefer to bac)

    Sounds like the way non nurses are hired in non nursing homes then?

    You got the system you wanted, rejoice in it

  184. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2020 9:00 am

    Who exactly has been wanting –
    * poorly trained people for critical work that involved contamination/infection?
    * inadequate safety procedures for a dangerous workplace?
    * a lack of screening and reference checking for people in positions that are vital for public safety?

    More invention from Tom R

  185. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2020 9:51 am

    Who exactly has been wanting –

    none has a memory like old dudes hey yomm 😉

    This is a valid question

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2020 10:40 am

    Making things up again.

    Can you just refer to a comment that I have expressed in support of poor training and inadequate safety?

  187. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2020 10:51 am

    You “used” to be quite vociferous about it 😉

    https://theguttertrash.com/2020/07/02/australians-totally-smashed-at-home-during-covid-19/#comment-173975

  188. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2020 11:04 am

    Out of interest, what are the arguments being made *against* paid pandemic leave?

    If someone could explain exactly what it is I might be able to offer arguments against (or for) it.

  189. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2020 11:07 am

    If someone could explain exactly what it is I might be able to offer arguments against (or for) it.

  190. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2020 1:23 pm

    please know you’re arguing government should never outsource public goods to private market

    #logicfail

  191. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2020 1:33 pm

    #logicfail

    pluease esplain?

    And in statements that have stood the test of time news

    You don’t think a federal government might be interested in having something to say about the constitution??

  192. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2020 1:46 pm

    Awkward

  193. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2020 2:52 pm

    More Awkwards

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2020 4:43 pm

    Thanks for reminding me of your areas of expertise.

    That’s exactly why its out of your league … simple stupid comments with no understanding of the real concepts … and a particularly narrow minded view of the real world … get Tested … you need a few …

  195. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 3, 2020 4:48 pm

    Canadians are certainly innovative:

  196. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 3, 2020 4:56 pm

    The see-through plexiglass at the top kinda defeats the purpose.

    In this clip Cameron Diaz encounters an old-school glory hole.

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2020 6:21 pm

    That’s exactly why its out of your league …

    Yeah. Right TB.

    Perhaps you would post links to your peer reviewed papers on your areas of expertise!!

    * The 30 second interview , probably titled – F*** Off and Stop Wasting MY Time!
    * The competency test for people that are pissed at work, titled – Gimme the Keys to that Forklift and I’ll F***ing Show You (hic) How to Drive It!!
    *The defence of government incompetence in safety – How to F*** Someone in Isolation and then F*** the Entire State

    Yes TB, your expertise speaks for itself.

  198. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 3, 2020 9:21 pm

    Wow stage 4 coming up for Victoria. Apparently someone mentioned stage 5 could be next but did not state what stage 5 would be. Perhaps locking up people in concentration camps?

  199. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 4, 2020 8:36 am

    Most annoying word – “reimagining” – although there are many worthy contenders on this list:

  200. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 8:46 am

    Perhaps you would post links to your peer reviewed papers on your areas of expertise!!

    lol, mister linkit wants links

    Still happy with winning the worker wars yomm. Like the new world order you helped create. But go on, blame a pollie who used the same people the feds do. Poorly trained, poorly paid and precariously employed. Your dream

  201. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 9:16 am

    Privatising Aged Care (nursing homes ffs) was wrong, and is being exposed as such in brutal fashion right now (not that it hasn’t for the past couple of decades, ever since they did it)

    Here’s The Home Of The Couple Whose Melbourne Nursing Home Saw Over 120 Coronavirus Cases

    https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/peter-areti-arvanitis-toorak-mansion-home/

  202. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 9:48 am

    Really Tom R, you’re grasping at straws when you suggest that I’ve promoted poor training and unsafe management systems! What do you think I am? An ALP Premier or Health Minister??

    That’s their job (apparently)

  203. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 9:59 am

    Anything to save a buck I guess 😉

    You’re right walrus, the mining companies (for example) continually look for ways to reduce their exposure to expensive and unreliable labour.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/12/21/its-beginning-to-look-a-lot-like-christmas/#comment-120927

  204. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 10:05 am

    That’s the best you can do!! Keep trying!!

    Just tell me, if you were spending a few billion dollars on mining investment, would you prefer to have reliable or unreliable labour?

    Hilarious! but ***FAIL***

  205. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 10:48 am

    Hilarious! but ***FAIL***

    yea yomm, after years of arguing against Unions, laughing when htey pay big fines for breaking laws that prevent them for protecting the health and safety of workers, and now, it’s all come home to roost

    https://theguttertrash.com/2016/03/30/turnbulls-latest-tax-plan-another-gift-for-labor/#comment-125417

    The public expects the government to provide decent minimum employment conditions and protections, so they’re not willing to cough up to have unions do it as well.

    Enjoy your paradise locked up for the next few weeks 😉

  206. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 10:59 am

  207. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 11:06 am

  208. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 11:53 am

    I’ll take that to mean you would prefer to have “unreliable labour” and guess what!! SO would many unions!

    That’s the basic misalignment between unions and the workforce, and why private sector union density is about single figures.

    Don’t blame me, blame union officials that are trying to play an 18 hole game of golf with a one wood.

  209. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 12:09 pm

    I’ll take that to mean you would prefer to have “unreliable labour”

    If you mean (as we know you did) “unreliable labour” as in, not able to strike, then yes, we NEED “unreliable labour”

    blame union officials that are trying to play an 18 hole game of golf with a one wood.

    Is that the same Union officials who have been the ones actually helping workers during this crisis, and have stood up for them when corporations put their profits before people (just like you argue for)

    Hundreds of workers at a Woolworths liquor distribution centre in Melbourne’s west walked off the job after a worker tested positive to COVID-19.

    Work stopped on Monday morning after a cease work notice was issued at the giant Laverton North distribution centre, which supplies alcohol to Dan Murphy’s and other Woolworths chains.

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/woolies-liquor-warehouse-workers-walk-off-the-job-after-new-virus-case-20200803-p55hzh.html

    Nasty, Lazy unions

  210. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 1:08 pm

  211. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 1:12 pm

    If you mean (as we know you did) “unreliable labour” as in, not able to strike

    Unreliable labour means those that are unwilling to comply with the law. Lawful bargaining is fine, but a number of unions ignore legal processes.

    I suspect you’re one of those that think the regulations are optional.

  212. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 1:33 pm

    Great! More from Wayne Swan!

    https://images.app.goo.gl/PDjMGCsmT6isNsFg8

  213. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2020 1:45 pm

    Daniel Andrews, yesterday: “There is no Stage 5, this has to work!”

    Sounds scientific.

  214. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 1:46 pm

    but a number of unions ignore legal processes

    And correctly too. Legally doesn’t mean morally, and I’ll take morally every time you know they changed the legal to help out crooks

  215. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 2:00 pm

    Sounds scientific.

    He’s a scientist?

    I see yomms still finding it hard to listen to the Worlds Greatest Treasurer 🙂

  216. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 2:06 pm

    And correctly too.

    Yes, it’s handy when laws are optional, based on your personal standards.

    It also means those that don’t like masks don’t have to wear one! Great!! They have the same opinion of the law as you!!

  217. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 2:11 pm

    “There is no Stage 5, this has to work!”

    We should have plenty of confidence in Andrews, because his strategy so far of-
    * longest and most lecturing speeches
    * big fines and lots of them
    * tightest restrictions
    * completely inadequate safety systems
    …have worked wonders !

  218. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 2:42 pm

    It also means those that don’t like masks don’t have to wear one!

    Hard to pinpoint what part about ‘moral’ you are misinterpreting.

    So, yomm thinks it’s fine for a company to kill someone and get a slap on the wrist, while the people trying to stop others being killed are labelled ‘thugs’ and fined multiple times the amount s the killers were.

    Whatever helps ya sleep

  219. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 2:48 pm

    So morals are universal??

    My morals have respect for orderly conduct and the law. Yours don’t.

    People have different moral settings, and you prefer yours, the anti maskers probably prefer yours too ! Because the law is optional under that moral code.

  220. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 2:58 pm

    Yes, your morals are for killers to be let off easilt, and protectors of innocent victims to be criminalized

    You would have locked up those protecting slaves

    You would have locked up those protecting Jews during the Holocaust

    What else would your ‘morals’ have allowed?

  221. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2020 3:06 pm

    Thank fuck for the rule of law! Otherwise we would be subjected to the tyranny of moralising moralisers.

  222. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 3:08 pm

    Hardly. Generally, those with a conscious objection have my support , because they understand the consequences of their actions and accept them.

  223. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 3:17 pm

    because they understand the consequences of their actions and accept them.

    Unless they impact the bottom line 😉

  224. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 3:50 pm

    That’s not conscious objection, and nor is the behavior of many union officials.

  225. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 3:58 pm

    and nor is the behavior of many union officials

    Yea, they’re only trying to stop a corporation killing people for profit

    THUGS!

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2020 5:08 pm

    Best of luck, TR … I know most Victorians aren’t morons but …

    Oddly enough I’m too bloody busy to bother with the whinging …

  227. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 5, 2020 9:48 am

    Will this harsh new measure impact your singing TB?

  228. Walrus permalink
    August 5, 2020 10:49 am

    Stage 5 Lockdown

    • Closing all construction

    • Further narrowing the definition of essential workers

    • Closing bottle shops

    • Shutting bakeries

    • All takeaways shut

    • Restricting shopping to once a week, not once a day

    • Residents not allowed outside for one-hour of exercise

    • Road blocks at all exits from metropolitan Melbourne

    • Hard regional grid lockdown

    • Random road blocks between suburbs

    • Shut down all taxis, with only skeletal public transport available

    • Compulsory mask wearing in homes.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/is-there-a-stage-5-what-happens-if-melbournes-stage-4-lockdown-doesnt-work/news-story/df71df75ec88136f69d859b939a74666

  229. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 5, 2020 11:34 am

    A good question:

  230. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2020 1:39 pm

    Just Parroting him

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2020 5:20 pm

    725 cases today. The inquiry delayed until November.

    Every thing seems to be going really well!

  232. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2020 8:17 am

    Every thing seems to be going really well!

    You must be very happy. Enjoy your victory

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2020 8:44 am

    Yes Tom R.
    Evidence of insanity. The corona virus-
    * is a hoax
    * was started by Bill Gates
    * is transmitted via the 5G network
    * is evidence of bad industrial relations laws

  234. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2020 9:03 am

    is evidence of bad industrial relations laws

    There is plenty of evidence that workers continuing to go to work because of fear or finances is a major driver in the spread. This is the result of your victory

    The other major driver is people listening to rwdbs

  235. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2020 9:06 am

  236. Walrus permalink
    August 6, 2020 10:26 am

    “There is plenty of evidence that workers continuing to go to work because of fear or finances is a major driver in the spread. This is the result of your victory”

    Really…………………….. ? how do you explain the other states then ?

  237. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2020 10:56 am

    how do you explain the other states then ?

    They didn’t have the same amount of community clusters still in presence when we were all forced to ‘get out from under the doona’ (plus, the weather plus the number of people they were taking after NSW’s Ruby Princess outbreak)

  238. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2020 1:22 pm

  239. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2020 4:52 pm

    Yes, corona virus is a product of the neo liberal agenda, to destroy capitalism (apparently)

  240. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2020 6:35 pm

    yomms well into bottle #2 😉

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2020 6:58 pm

    I’m drinking bottle #1 of a very pleasant 2012 Coonawarra cab sav.
    I’ve decamped to the coast and there’s surf without a crowd.
    Maybe this lockdown isn’t so bad.

  242. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2020 8:03 am

    I’m drinking bottle #1

    Cadbury!

  243. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2020 8:07 am

  244. August 7, 2020 8:44 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  245. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2020 10:01 am

    And yet the Andrews government is the one being blasted for ‘secrecy’ ffs

    Our media is a shit show

  246. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2020 10:06 am

    This is how low they are. Talk about cherry picking, now it’s cherry stealing, and then lying about it

  247. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2020 10:16 am

  248. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2020 11:10 am

    Secrecy?? Here in Victoria we are now reliant on other states to prop us up.
    Without the generosity of those states, we would be absolutely f***ed
    But, Andrews still hasn’t bothered to find out for himself how all this started. He still declines to say what he knows.
    And if he thinks he can obfuscate until November, I think he’ll find lots of annoyed people around.

  249. Tony permalink
    August 7, 2020 11:48 am

    Australia’s finest paper.

  250. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2020 11:54 am

    Here in Victoria we are now reliant on other states to prop us up

    It’s the result of your victory. Enjoy the moment 😉

  251. Tony permalink
    August 7, 2020 11:58 am

    This has to be a mistake but I’ll put it here anyway.

  252. Tony permalink
    August 7, 2020 12:13 pm

  253. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2020 12:17 pm

    Can confirm. Government is acting like a dictatorship.

    Did this numbnut complain when the Federal Government shut down Parliament when there wasn’t a major outbreak?

    This has to be a mistake but I’ll put it here anyway.

    Considering the source, I’d just call it stupid 😉

  254. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2020 12:32 pm

    Yes, people like me want poor safety practices and isolation systems so that we can beg other states for a handout.

  255. Tony permalink
    August 7, 2020 12:49 pm

    This is proper journalism.

  256. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2020 1:07 pm

    Yes, people like me want poor safety practices and isolation systems

    lol, I’ve just realized

    THE LIBRARIES ARE CLOSED

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  257. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2020 1:38 pm

    “Considering the source, I’d just call it stupid”

    I’d just call it more Dan Andrews/ALP incompetence

    Nothing wrong with the source

    https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/australia-post-deliveries-at-risk-suez-canal-down-a-drainpipe-20200807-p55jho

  258. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2020 1:40 pm

    Full Article here………..

    Australia Post chief executive Christine Holgate has won a late-minute concession to keep open up to 200 post outlets facing closure under Melbourne’s strict new rules.

    But she is racing against the clock to keep distribution centres and parcel deliveries working from midnight when they are meant to reduce staff in those centres by one third. They want concessions on those rules.

    Australia Post CEO Christine Holgate: “We deliver medicine to home for pharmacies including Chemist Warehouse, it’s like a Suez Canal coming down a drainpipe.” Peter Rae

    Australia Post’s extensive delivery network means it is the biggest provider of deliveries to households for hundreds of online retailers, at a time when an extra one million people have joined the bulging ranks of online shoppers in the pandemic.

    Ms Holgate told The Australian Financial Review on Friday that that parcel deliveries are already up by more than 200 per cent in Melbourne hotspots and climbing rapidly for everything from urgent drug deliveries from Chemist Warehouse to notebooks and pens from Officeworks to laptops from JB Hi-Fi and deliveries from Dan Murphy’s.

    “We’ve had every major customer calling saying ‘you are going to give us capacity aren’t you?’,” Ms Holgate said.

    “Your big customers like your Kogans, your Officeworks, your Cotton Ons, all Melbourne based, and 23,000 small businesses came online in the COVID quarter – April, May, June,” she said.

    Ms Holgate said Australia Post learnt about the changes when the Victorian government published the list of permitted worksites on the Department website.

    “We deliver medicine to home for pharmacies including Chemist Warehouse, it’s like a “Suez Canal coming down a drainpipe.”

    “All the major medical distribution centres are based in Victoria. APi, Sigma, they supply pharmacies right across the country,” she said.

    “This isn’t just about keeping Victorian businesses running and Victorians safe, we have to keep the whole country safe. We run the risk of being late getting important medicines out to those pharmacies.”

    Australia Post is the backbone of many online retailers in Australia who rely on it for the delivery side of their businesses and the crucial ‘last mile’ to households.

    In Victoria alone, there are 200,000 small businesses employing over 21,000 people but Australia Post predict an unworkable bottleneck within the next four days under the rules.

    The supermarket sector secured a last-minute deal with the Victorian government on their distribution centres and an extension until Sunday night and Ms Holgate is seeking a similar deal – she said they can stick to the 2/3 rule if they are allowed to split shifts and run 24/7.

    Retail experts estimate that an extra one million people across the country have joined the ranks of online customers over the past few months in the pandemic, in a rapid, structural shift to e-commerce.

  259. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2020 1:42 pm

    Full Article here………………….

    Australia Post chief executive Christine Holgate has won a late-minute concession to keep open up to 200 post outlets facing closure under Melbourne’s strict new rules.

    But she is racing against the clock to keep distribution centres and parcel deliveries working from midnight when they are meant to reduce staff in those centres by one third. They want concessions on those rules.

    Australia Post CEO Christine Holgate: “We deliver medicine to home for pharmacies including Chemist Warehouse, it’s like a Suez Canal coming down a drainpipe.” Peter Rae

    Australia Post’s extensive delivery network means it is the biggest provider of deliveries to households for hundreds of online retailers, at a time when an extra one million people have joined the bulging ranks of online shoppers in the pandemic.

    Ms Holgate told The Australian Financial Review on Friday that that parcel deliveries are already up by more than 200 per cent in Melbourne hotspots and climbing rapidly for everything from urgent drug deliveries from Chemist Warehouse to notebooks and pens from Officeworks to laptops from JB Hi-Fi and deliveries from Dan Murphy’s.

    “We’ve had every major customer calling saying ‘you are going to give us capacity aren’t you?’,” Ms Holgate said.

    “Your big customers like your Kogans, your Officeworks, your Cotton Ons, all Melbourne based, and 23,000 small businesses came online in the COVID quarter – April, May, June,” she said.

    Ms Holgate said Australia Post learnt about the changes when the Victorian government published the list of permitted worksites on the Department website.

    “We deliver medicine to home for pharmacies including Chemist Warehouse, it’s like a “Suez Canal coming down a drainpipe.”

    “All the major medical distribution centres are based in Victoria. APi, Sigma, they supply pharmacies right across the country,” she said.

    “This isn’t just about keeping Victorian businesses running and Victorians safe, we have to keep the whole country safe. We run the risk of being late getting important medicines out to those pharmacies.”

    Australia Post is the backbone of many online retailers in Australia who rely on it for the delivery side of their businesses and the crucial ‘last mile’ to households.

    In Victoria alone, there are 200,000 small businesses employing over 21,000 people but Australia Post predict an unworkable bottleneck within the next four days under the rules.

    The supermarket sector secured a last-minute deal with the Victorian government on their distribution centres and an extension until Sunday night and Ms Holgate is seeking a similar deal – she said they can stick to the 2/3 rule if they are allowed to split shifts and run 24/7.

    Retail experts estimate that an extra one million people across the country have joined the ranks of online customers over the past few months in the pandemic, in a rapid, structural shift to e-commerce.

  260. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2020 1:45 pm

    Oooops double post.

    Then again everyone should read it twice anyway so the scale of continuing incompetence sets in

  261. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2020 2:00 pm

    Someone should read the website first wally 😉
    Like I said, our media is a shit show

  262. Tony permalink
    August 7, 2020 3:57 pm

    Not sure either. Maybe someone here knows.

  263. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2020 5:03 pm

    I see our Premiere has left a fucking loophole for more whinging Victorians to invade Queensland!

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-victoria-outbreak-melbourne-residents-moving-to-queensland-border-closure-loophole-covid19/2ca81e90-10bc-4999-b0b9-e0cbab268beb

    Will this be Queensland’s, “hotel quarantine — Ruby Princess”, balls up moment?

    Everyone I talk to wants the border closed now – HARD!

    We’re still getting over three Stupids who went to rob bags in Melbourne to sell in Sydley and then return to Brisbane … all looking at jail time is five years enough?

  264. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2020 5:06 pm

    Maybe someone here knows.

    Shithead shot?

  265. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2020 5:51 pm

    We’re still getting over three Stupids who went to rob bags in Melbourne to sell in Sydley and then return to Brisbane … all looking at jail time is five years enough?

    Apparently their arrest was racially motivated. I heard that from a reliable source.

  266. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2020 5:56 pm

    Apparently their arrest was racially motivated. I heard that from a reliable source.

    Yep … chuckle … a close rellie no less …

  267. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2020 6:22 pm

    I heard that from a reliable source.

    let me guess, ltsnews, making up more shit.

  268. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2020 9:52 am

    Yes, it’s all going so well here!
    * we’re relying on the goodwill of the taxpayers of other states to prop us up
    * dozens of people are dead
    * 400+ cases a day when other states have 0 – 12
    * an inquiry into the debacle that will now report in November

    But, there is a positive in all this!! Security guards were recruited on the basis of “social inclusion”

    What could possibly go wrong?

  269. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2020 11:59 am

    And interestingly, while the rest of Melbourne has an 8pm curfew, safe injecting rooms will remain open after 8.

    I suppose junkies are on their way to work at that time.

  270. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2020 6:28 pm

    * we’re relying on the goodwill of the taxpayers of other states to prop us up

    And.Don’t.Forget.It!

    Seriously, ToM, how many pandemics have you managed (so many meanings for that word)

    What could possibly go wrong?

    “Stupids” (also known as Victorians) not following government directives. And other Mexicans whinging and encouraging civil disobedience …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I suppose junkies are on their way to work at that time.

    Have you any idea of the shit you write … you just accused every emergency worker trying to keep Australians alive of being a “junkie” … and anyone who works shift work to keep your state operating …

    There’s a pattern here …

  271. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 9, 2020 9:59 am

    There is a dactory fire in suburban Melbourne at the moment…

    Imagine a fire at a hazardous waste storage site. The toxic chemicals it releases cause the city to close for weeks, put hundreds in hospital and cause fatalities among those with respiratory trouble.

    The owers contracted out the operations and security. The contractors used uber drivers to protect the site.

    I think there would be public outrage if the owners excuse was-
    * don’t blame us we thought the contractors would be competent
    * we used uber drivers because we wanted an inclusive workforce
    * there is no safety plan because the contractor was supposed to do that
    * we didn’t do regular safety audits, because the contractors was supposed to
    * we have an investigation planned and well let you know the result in 3 or 4 months

    Yes, all that would play well with the ALP/green/left zealots

  272. TB Queensland permalink
    August 9, 2020 2:27 pm

    I see ToM is still blubbering on …

    Read this … and don’t forget the comments below …

    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/perspective-mike-baird/?trackingId=dZdd1iHgSjuJAd8PHRKbZw%3D%3D

    It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood… who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. T. Roosevelt

  273. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 9, 2020 3:25 pm

    Yes TB, I’ve just seen every ALP zealot post that comment about “Our Dan”

  274. TB Queensland permalink
    August 9, 2020 4:53 pm

    Mmmmmm … Mike Baird is no ALP zealot …

    And once again … the point Baird was making, and all but one of the (LinkedIn) comments below agreed this is not political it is a national emergency … reading your comments you have a very limited understanding of leading and decision making, as you purport to have … especially when it comes to risk …

    The people out spreading the virus are the ones wearing the suicide bombs …

    Taking potshots after the event is easy …

  275. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 9, 2020 5:00 pm

    Oh really TB!

    Just tell me, if you were advising an organisation about safety on a hazardous site, what are a few basic suggestions you would come up with?

    Even if they were in a hurry to get started.

  276. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2020 5:56 pm

    There is a dactory fire

    liar, lair, (under) pants on …

  277. TB Queensland permalink
    August 9, 2020 6:14 pm

    Oh really TB!

    Oh FFS! ToM … get on board with what’s happening NOW …

    The sort of shite you write here is what encourages the dickheads to react on the street (unless you go out yourself) …

    The pandemic is not new … it’s been here since March … prattling on about “who’s fault” everything is, just DELAYS the lifting of lockdown … its common sense – isn’t it? Or learned behaviour????

  278. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 9, 2020 6:57 pm

    Just tell me TB, if you were advising an organisation about safety, in a potentially hazardous workplace, and they were in a hurry to get started, what are the absolute minimum requirements you would suggest?

  279. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 10, 2020 8:52 am

  280. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 10, 2020 11:48 pm

    Is that you Wally:

  281. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2020 8:46 am

    seems Legit

  282. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2020 10:42 am

    Seems someones got something to hide

  283. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 11, 2020 12:41 pm

    Führer Dan’s SS sure know how to treat a lady. The cop obviously enjoyed the part where he had to flip the dangerous criminal over and mount her. Looks like he has had a lot of practice at that manoeuvre.

    I usually have to pay extra for that kind of treatment.

  284. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 11, 2020 12:53 pm

    Another mostly peaceful protest in NY where commie Mayor Warren Wilhelm just defunded the police by $1bn.

  285. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2020 2:55 pm

    That’s a good look by the police. Police just love laws that are easy to enforce against soft targets

  286. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2020 3:08 pm

    If true, this is ‘kinda’ huge

    “Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews says he does not believe Australian Defence Force support was offered to help run Victoria’s hotel quarantine scheme.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-11/coronavirus-committee-premier-daniel-andrews-hotel-quarantine/12545146

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2020 3:43 pm

    I’m sure this will get ToM fired up about the incompetence of the NSW and Federal Governments … and of course the wheedling by the Anglicare, “incredibly challenged”, CEO to get PPE …

    NSW Health told staff at coronavirus-stricken Newmarch House not to use PPE unless they were around aged care residents who had tested positive or were showing symptoms, the aged care commission has heard.

    The stunning revelation came in an email tendered to the Royal Commission into Aged Care on Tuesday, which was sent from the NSW State Emergency Response and Preparedness Branch to Anglicare, which runs Newmarch House.

    The email said: “As discussed please make sure the facility know not to use full PPE for anyone but positive and suspected cases. NSW Health is not in a position to provide approve (sic) what we already have.”

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/daughter-rang-every-day-while-father-was-dying-of-covid19-at-newmarch-house/news-story/7176423a2909844974fe82ffabda821c

  288. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 11, 2020 4:04 pm

    Huge? More like irrelevant.

    It doesn’t really matter if there was an offer of federal support or not. The question is why the Victorian government implemented a defective system which has killed hundreds of Australians.

    It also seems from your link that Kim Jong Dan has been less than forthcoming with his answers:

    But, as he has in recent press conferences and interviews, the Premier again declined to answer many questions due to an independent inquiry he has commissioned.

  289. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 11, 2020 4:15 pm

    If true, this is ‘kinda’ huge

    So the taxpayer funded media branch of the ALP, The ABC is coming to the aid of a Vic ALP leader? Now that is huge.

    But to play devils advocate with the brutal police treatment of the young lady not wearing a mask. Was she breaking the law and what is a policeman supposed to do if somebody is breaking the law? But the young lady was giving the policeman a tough time. How would that policeman have got on with a much stronger male?

  290. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 11, 2020 4:20 pm

    “I’m sure this will get ToM fired up about the incompetence of the NSW and Federal Governments … and of course the wheedling by the Anglicare, “incredibly challenged”, CEO to get PPE …

    I think the Feds have utterly failed in relation to the aged care. Our happy-crappy PM has a lot to answer for. I’m sure the states have some degree of blame here as well as the operators.

  291. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 11, 2020 4:26 pm

    “So the taxpayer funded media branch of the ALP, The ABC is coming to the aid of a Vic ALP leader? Now that is huge.”

    Did you even read the ABC article in question, Neil? It was as straight a news report as could be expected. Not a scintilla of bias in it.

  292. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 11, 2020 4:33 pm

    Has it been reported anywhere else? The bias is i doubt it would be reported anywhere else. I suspect the ABC publishes things giving the ALP a good look.

    Even straight news stories have bias if they are only published to help their team.

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2020 4:44 pm

    FFS … ToM er Kneel mmm no ToM aw fuck it!

  294. Tony permalink
    August 11, 2020 4:55 pm

    If true, this is ‘kinda’ huge

    If not true, it’s also kinda huge.

  295. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2020 5:44 pm

    And according to Dumbo Trump … Spanish Flu ended WWII … there is no hope for the Yanks … or us for that matter … The American Dream* has become the The Global Nightmare

    * Whatever that actually is?

  296. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2020 6:29 pm

    The Australian Defence Force repeatedly offered to assist Victoria establish and maintain quarantine arrangements for returned travellers but was told by the Andrews government its help was not needed, Defence Minister Linda Reynolds has revealed.

    Who to believe? Andrews is certainly under pressure, and he has bulls***ed a parliamentary enquiry, he’ll be toast

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/defence-force-offered-repeatedly-to-assist-victoria-with-hotel-quarantine-minister-20200811-p55kqf.html

  297. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2020 6:31 pm

    Companies are using millions of dollars in jobkeeper payments designed to keep Australian workers employed during the coronavirus crisis to help pay increased dividends to shareholders, sparking calls for an overhaul of the system.

    As I thought would happen … sick, greedy world of the Elites …

  298. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2020 6:34 pm

    The Australian Defence Force repeatedly offered to assist Victoria

    The ADF can’t offer … it is directed by the PM via the Defence Minister … however to clarify the State Premiers have to request assistance …

  299. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2020 7:02 pm

    This afternoon, Defence Minister Linda Reynolds rejected Mr Andrews’ claim that ADF personnel weren’t offered, saying the Prime Minister made an offer to all states on March 27.

    Senator Reynolds said Victorian authorities responded a day later, advising the state was not seeking ADF assistance with mandatory quarantine arrangements.

    Tomorrow’s press conference with Andrews should be fun!!

  300. Tony permalink
    August 11, 2020 7:14 pm

    Looks like Dan is trying to deceive the parliamentary enquiry. So much for “taking responsibility”.

  301. Tony permalink
    August 11, 2020 7:19 pm

    Tomorrow’s press conference with Andrews should be fun!!

    It should be, if there are any actual journalists present.

  302. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 11, 2020 7:29 pm

    https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/enforced-quarantine-returned-travellers-combat-coronavirus

    27 March 2020

    Following agreement by the National Cabinet, all travellers returning from overseas to Victoria will be placed in enforced quarantine for a self-isolation period of 14-days to slow the spread of coronavirus…It has also been agreed that the Australian Defence Force will be engaged to support the implementation of these arrangements.

    The Victorian Government is working closely with the Australian Hotels Association and other organisations so all returned travellers can be housed safely and securely.

  303. Tony permalink
    August 12, 2020 7:16 am

  304. Tony permalink
    August 12, 2020 7:40 am

    The police unions?

  305. Tony permalink
    August 12, 2020 8:25 am

    Security for hotel quarantine was handled by the Department of Jobs(!). One of the three private companies they hired and which did the bulk of the work was Unified Security, an Indigenous-owned company a senior Dept of Jobs official had given work to at the official’s previous job, and was not on the government’s preferred panel of security providers. The quarantine process was not overseen by police or defence force personnel as it was in other states.

  306. Tom R permalink
    August 12, 2020 8:28 am

    If true, this is ‘kinda’ huge

    If false, this is ‘kinda’ huge 😉

    The police unions?

    lol, yea, it’s all them nasty Unions working in the top ranks of the countries most well known Nazi loving Police Force. Same as, when something came out about Security Guards, it was all ‘them nasty Unions”, only for it to be discovered that the two with the big issues are the two vetted by the Federal Government, and gaining millions in contracts from the Feds.

    If the Police department has gone above the State Government, that’s going to unleash a whole pile if dung into an already crowded field

  307. Tom R permalink
    August 12, 2020 8:43 am

    One of the three private companies they hired and which did the bulk of the work was Unified Securit

    Yea, but they weren’t at any of the places it blew up. They were being ‘looked after’ by the two companies vetted by the Feds 😉

    More Darn Unions

    The head of the Victorian state nursing union has told a parliamentary inquiry of disturbing scenes at Kirkbrae Presbyterian Homes.

    Kirkbrae has had 127 coronavirus cases and at least 17 of its residents have died. The outbreak is the state’s fourth worst in aged care.

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/new-staff-found-kirkbrae-aged-care-home-in-chaos-union-says-20200811-p55kr0.html

  308. Tom R permalink
    August 12, 2020 9:26 am

    murkier and murkier it goes

  309. Tony permalink
    August 12, 2020 9:30 am

    Yea, but they weren’t at any of the places it blew up. They were being ‘looked after’ by the two companies vetted by the Feds 😉

    You’d have a reference for that assertion then (considering The Age reports that “Unified ended up doing the bulk of the hotel quarantine work”)?

  310. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2020 9:33 am

    And who said opening schools were safe?

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/08/12/nsw-schools-covid/

    I notice that most of the outbreaks are at private schools … worth investigating.

  311. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2020 9:41 am

    Lawn mowing businesses are banned from working. I guess revenue raising parking ticket inspectors can’t catch the virus..

    And I guess parking ticket inspectors don’t have contact and a cuppa with people who have parked their cars illegally? 😉

  312. Tom R permalink
    August 12, 2020 9:57 am

    You’d have a reference for that assertion then

    It’s called google Tony 😉

    So, seems the one who had the ‘bulk’ didn’t have the ‘bulk’ of the issues. Churnalism is tricky trade aint it 😉

    The security company linked to the biggest coronavirus outbreak in a quarantine hotel also provided guards for the North Melbourne and Flemington public housing estates now under a hard lockdown.

    MSS Security was guarding the Stamford Plaza, the city hotel at the heart of an outbreak in which 42 people comprising guards, their families and close contacts have now been infected.

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/security-firm-had-guards-at-hotels-and-locked-down-housing-estates-20200706-p559jm.html

  313. Tom R permalink
    August 12, 2020 10:12 am

    And I guess parking ticket inspectors don’t have contact and a cuppa with people who have parked their cars illegally?

    The stupid is strong with some 😉

  314. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2020 1:00 pm

    Dan Andrews 11 August

    “I don’t believe ADF support was on offer and ADF support has been provided in very limited circumstances in NSW, not to provide security, as such, but to provide transport from the airport to hotels.”

    Premier’s Department Press Release 27 March

    “The costs of accommodation, public health and security will be covered by each individual jurisdiction, and there will be reciprocal arrangements in place to house the residents of other states and territories,” …..“It has also been agreed that the Australian Defence Force will be engaged to support the implementation of these arrangements.”

    Then this…………….

    “Defence agreed to requests for support to quarantine compliance from Queensland and NSW on 28 March. In NSW, ADF personnel began supporting the reception of international arrivals at Sydney Airport and undertaking quarantine compliance monitoring at hotels the following day.”

    So Transport and Security tasks

    https://www.miragenews.com/adf-support-to-victoria/

  315. Tom R permalink
    August 12, 2020 2:43 pm

    Seems there is quite trail supporting the Premiers version, and making the defense minister looking a tad … dodgy. Perhaps she could provide a copy of the formal offer of assistance to Victoria regarding quarantine security.? That should clear things up 😉

    Also interesting to note that it was Andrews who pushed the hotel quarantine, the Feds just wanted people to go home and self isolate.

  316. Tom R permalink
    August 12, 2020 2:54 pm

    Using the system you trashed as an excuse to hide from scrutiny. We really have jumped the shark

  317. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2020 3:13 pm

    Looks like they’ve sniffed and made up:

  318. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2020 3:13 pm

  319. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 12, 2020 3:17 pm

    Andrews will struugle to have credibility. Many already see him as a waffling bulls*** artist.
    So he’s a goner. Probably soon after this lockdown ends, 2 months

  320. Tom R permalink
    August 12, 2020 3:26 pm

    Andrews will struugle to have credibility

    lol yomm, go borrow a book 😉

  321. Tom R permalink
    August 12, 2020 3:40 pm

    It’s all not looking so good for our defense minister

    Victoria’s emergency management commissioner has backed Premier Daniel Andrews’ controversial claims that no Australian Defence Force support was offered to help manage the state’s hotel quarantine program.

    https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/victoria-emergency-management-commissioner-backs-daniel-andrews-controversial-adf-claims/news-story/aadd60bd70f7b70179b80ad9fc29afa4

  322. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2020 4:11 pm

    “It’s all not looking so good for our defense minister”

    Really……………?

    Victorian Premier’s Department Press Release 27 March

    “The costs of accommodation, public health and security will be covered by each individual jurisdiction, and there will be reciprocal arrangements in place to house the residents of other states and territories,” …..“It has also been agreed that the Australian Defence Force will be engaged to support the implementation of these arrangements.”

    Do you see where it says…………….

    “THE AUSTRALIAN DEFENCE FORCE WILL BE ENGAGED TO SUPPORT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE ARRANGEMENTS”

    What do you think that means ???????????????????

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2020 5:03 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/closures/pete-evans-taunts-jacinda-ardern-on-instagram-sparks-wild-theories/news-story/2bbd52d4b7b64aaee863016d79ca092f

    This wanker is like a mad mulla preaching to wanna be martyrs … he should be arrested for inciting idiocy. Especially coming from NSW,

    What is it with southerners and discipline in emergencies … bunch of screaming pre schoolers.

    Ah, I see via gravatar that Kneel is now Wally … or Wally is now Kneel

  324. Tony permalink
    August 12, 2020 5:28 pm

    What do you think that means ???????????????????

    That Dan is a slippery bullshit artist? A pathological liar? Not to be trusted?

  325. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2020 5:30 pm

    OK I confess……………………………….I am NOT Neil

  326. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2020 5:32 pm

    “That Dan is a slippery bullshit artist? A pathological liar? Not to be trusted?”

    Is there an All The Above Box ?

  327. ivi permalink
    August 12, 2020 10:25 pm

    (Is there an All The Above Box ?

    Sure: one person’s smirker is another person’s shirker, or vice versa; prior to/upon agreement there is usually offer and acceptance, and etcetera; how, and why, did one specifically-Constitutionally-empowered entity, with an express interest in quarantine, the Commonwealth, albeit very busy conducting secretive National Cabinets and furtive Covfefe Commissions and poorly-timed fundraisers at Parliament House, ‘(un)supportively’ ‘(mis)manage’ to ‘(un)cover the field(s)’?)

  328. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2020 6:09 am

    “It has also been agreed that the Australian Defence Force will be engaged to support the implementation of these arrangements.”

    Which is what was done, but not the ongoing running.As ivi said, offer and acceptance, and etcetera

    FYI, copying parts of quotes without attribution is difficult to follow, unless I missed the link further back up the thread?. But as we see from the Crisps and Andrews statements, helping set it up was as far as it got.

    And remember,if morrison had got his way, all of this people would have been self isolating at home. Maybe we should have just gone with that 😉

    The program followed the decision by national cabinet that Friday and a press release from Mr Andrews that read: “It has also been agreed that the Australian Defence Force will be engaged to support the implementation of these arrangements.”

    But Mr Andrews danced around that statement on Wednesday, claiming it was not the correct characterisation of the media release to conclude that ADF would be used.

    “I don’t agree with the way you have constructed it,” he said. “If you look at Andrew Crisp’s statement, he talked about ADF being involved in the establishment of the program. I don’t see any inconsistency there at all.”

    https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/andrews-blame-game-lands-at-andrew-crisp-s-door-20200812-p55kvg

  329. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2020 6:28 am

    Meanwhile, the real failure, not because of possibly one or two individual cases, but truly systemic failures, that were warned of, and ignored, for years, even as people died

    Hundreds of Australia’s aged care residents will die of Covid because of government failure, expert warns

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/12/australias-covid-aged-care-deaths-worst-disaster-that-is-still-unfolding-before-my-eyes?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

  330. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 13, 2020 7:04 am

    Especially coming from NSW”

    You are speaking from the state that blessed us with Joh Bjelke-Petersen and Pauline Hanson, right?

  331. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2020 8:19 am

    You’d have thought he would have learned after his foray with palmer, but appears not. This mob will do anything to save themselves a buck. One thing thye are good at is outsourcing payments. This biggest ‘stimulus’ to date has been via Paul Keating and people abandoning their retirement savings. Now THAT is putting it onto ‘future generations’

    Now, they want states to pay for border closures, even though it is to protect Australians. We are definitely not all ‘in this together’

    Tourism Minister Simon Birmingham has warned state and territory leaders will need to rely on their own budgets to prop up businesses reliant on interstate travel should they keep borders closed for longer than necessary.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/states-and-territories-put-on-notice-over-unnecessary-border-restrictions-20200812-p55ku2.html

  332. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2020 8:21 am

    fer yomm, just cos

  333. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2020 8:40 am

    just cos

  334. Tom R permalink
    August 13, 2020 9:54 am

    This is another reason why the government is outsourcing ‘stimulus’ to those who can least afford it

  335. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 13, 2020 1:52 pm

    My friends in the US think Kamala Harris is ideal for Vice President, and President in 4 years. Therefore I’m a supporter!!

  336. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2020 2:46 pm

    Tom

    I like Trump because he annoys the people i cannot stand

  337. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2020 2:50 pm

    But @JEChalmers says 2/3 of the debt in the budget was borrowed by the Govt b4 the pandemic.

    What does that mean?

  338. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2020 3:59 pm

    You are speaking from the state that blessed us with Joh Bjelke-Petersen and Pauline Hanson, right?

    You forgot, Palmer, Newman, Katter, Dutton … idiots in every state … but Evans needs sticking in solitary …

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2020 4:02 pm

    I like Trump because he annoys the people i cannot stand

    So did Adolf Hitler ….

  340. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2020 4:46 pm

    “”””””””””So did Adolf Hitler ….”””””””””””””

    Really? So U R calling me a Nazi?

    Fact is Trump annoys the people i cannot stand. Not sure what Hitler has to do with that

    Furthermore i like Joh Bjelke Peterson because he also annoys the people i cannot stand.

    Joh left Queensland debt free while building heaps of infrastructure

    What did labor build with the $80B of debt they created?

  341. Walrus permalink
    August 13, 2020 5:58 pm

    “Joh left Queensland debt free while building heaps of infrastructure” on his farm and on the farms of his 4 children with all the bribe money he received over his premiership. In fact he made Bob Askin in NSW look rather amatuerish

    There fixed !

  342. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2020 6:02 pm

    Walrus

    Joh left Queensland debt free.

    As for the corruption allegations Bob Carr was worse.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joh_Bjelke-Petersen#State_development

    State development

    Considerable development of the state’s infrastructure took place during the Bjelke-Petersen era. He was a leading proponent of Wivenhoe and Burdekin Dams, encouraging the modernising and electrifying of the Queensland railway system, and the construction of the Gateway Bridge.[9] Airports, coal mines, power stations, and dams were built throughout the state. James Cook University was established. In Brisbane, the Queensland Cultural Centre, Griffith University, the Southeast Freeway, and the Captain Cook, Gateway and Merivale bridges were all constructed, as well as the Parliamentary Annexe that was attached to Queensland Parliament House. Bjelke-Petersen was one of the instigators of World Expo 88 (now South Bank Parklands) and the 1982 Brisbane Commonwealth Games.[9]

    His government worked closely with property developers on the Gold Coast, who constructed resorts, hotels, a casino and a system of residential developments. In one controversial case, the Queensland government passed special legislation, the Sanctuary Cove Act 1985, to exempt a luxury development, Sanctuary Cove, from local government planning regulations.[101] The developer, Mike Gore, was seen as a key member of the “white shoe brigade”, a group of Gold Coast businessmen who became influential supporters of Bjelke-Petersen.[102] A similar piece of legislation was passed to allow the Japanese company, Iwasaki Sangyo, to develop a tourist resort near Yeppoon in Central Queensland.

  343. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2020 6:18 pm

    Really? So U R calling me a Nazi?

    No, I could have said … so did Josef Stalin …

  344. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2020 6:25 pm

    There fixed !

    Couldn’t have said it better … I met Joh when I worked for the NSCA and later saw him as he waited outside court during his trial … gave me a great big “smile” … as I walked passed the monster … should have languished jail … hypocrites both he and is missus … like living in SA … had to experience the Joh gerrymander to appreciate what an arsehole he was.

    Not a Queenslander at all he was a bloody Kiwi

  345. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2020 6:35 pm

    “”””””””””””””had to experience the Joh gerrymander to appreciate what an arsehole he was.”””””””””””””””

    What Gerrymander??? Only arseholes tell lies and u r a LIAR

  346. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2020 6:39 pm

    The Queensland “gerrymander”, first introduced by the Labor Party (ALP) government of Ned Hanlon in 1949 used a series of electoral zones based on their distance from Brisbane.

  347. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2020 6:07 am

    What does this mean?

  348. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2020 6:09 am

    I know what this means. Our media are fucking shitbags!

    Patient zero in Victoria’s calamitous second wave of COVID-19 was not a badly behaved security guard but a night duty manager at the Rydges hotel on Swanston Street, one of Melbourne’s busiest quarantine hotels.

    Leaked emails show the night manager reported on Monday, May 25, that he had come down with a fever, and late on the afternoon of the following day Department of Jobs, Precincts and Regions officials were told the hotel employee had tested positive. It is presumed he caught it from a returned traveller, who has not been identified.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/patient-zero-for-victoria-s-second-wave-was-not-a-security-guard-20200813-p55li3.html

  349. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2020 8:11 am

    The real question, what will yomm do with all his dot points now?

    Maybe he could move onto aged care? Just before he moves into aged care 🙂

  350. August 14, 2020 8:39 am

    “The real question, what will yomm do with all his dot points now?

    Maybe he could move onto aged care? Just before he moves into aged care”

    😆 😆

  351. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2020 8:43 am

    too harsh reb? 🙂

  352. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 14, 2020 9:14 am

    * Slack processes throughout.
    * A disaster waiting to happen.

  353. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2020 9:31 am

    yes yomm, if the aged care Royal Commission told us anything, it told us that 😉

    You’;d be hoping they rectify that in a a few years. Maybe it’s time to Vote Labor 😉

  354. Tony permalink
    August 14, 2020 11:01 am

    Standing by for today’s set of excuses from Dubious Dan.

  355. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2020 11:04 am

    Why does Kamala join with Biden when she has stated she believes Biden’s accuser Tara Reade? If she believes Biden digitally penetrated Reade in a hallway attack why is she his running mate?

    I assume she has recently changed her mind about believing Reade but I can’t imagine why! Ain’t politics grand!?

  356. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2020 11:11 am

    As a prosecutor in her twenties Kamala slept her way to the top by becoming acquainted with Mayor Willie Brown’s 60 year old Willie.

    Given Kamala says she believes Biden’s rape accuser I can only conclude she is looking for some more career advancement using her tried and tested strategy.

  357. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2020 11:14 am

    Do you draw at all splats?

    fyi Tony 😉

  358. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 14, 2020 11:50 am

    Apparently Dan’s off the hook because the virus leaked into the community from the state government managed hotel isolation, rather than because it leaked into the community from the state government managed hotel isolation.

    Yes, I can hardly wait for Dan to come up with that excuse

  359. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2020 12:01 pm

    Draw? No, but I have a vivid imagination.

  360. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2020 12:03 pm

    White privilege:

  361. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2020 12:09 pm

    Apparently Dan’s off the hook because the virus leaked into the community from the state government managed hotel isolation

    Perhaps you can pinpoint where the ‘state government managed hotel isolation’ did wrong?

    Perhaps in the same statement you can retract the false assertions you have been making recently about the security guards? Seems the biggest issue they had was not enough ppf

    Who was supposed to be providing that again?

    Don’t forget that the ‘Dan Andrews has bungled hotel quarantine’ attack which has been unrelenting across all outlets was spread despite Andrews saying over and over again ‘let’s wait to see what the inquiry finds’. Well the inquiry found first infected person was night manager.
    There is no evidence of wrong doing with this night manager. We know how infectious this disease is. This person could have walked through some droplets in the air, in lobby, picked it up off a surface. There is some evidence security guards weren’t being careful enough with PPE.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1294050814412038144.html

  362. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2020 12:13 pm

    Draw? No, but I have a vivid imagination.

    I was just wondering if you went by the byline ‘leak’ at all 😉

    Seems mericas election is gonna be a hoot

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2020 12:19 pm

    Jesus, splatterbum … “leftist”? … criminals are fucking criminals . period … only arseholes turn a child being murdered into a political meme … Oh wait!

  364. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2020 12:25 pm

    Seems mericas election is gonna be a hoot

    Like watching an ex-USSR satellite country returning to 1960.

    Will Cuba become the 52nd State and will Australia eventually become 51st? The Marines are ready and waiting in NT for the invasion to begin …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Which one is ToM …

    One of the men told police he did not need to wear a mask as he had a birth condition that makes him resistant to coronavirus.

    A man has been fined 10 times for breaching Victoria’s coronavirus restrictions.

    Vote Now (It may be your last chance ever!)

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/08/14/victoria-police-fines-covid/

  365. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2020 12:28 pm

    Another independent Catholic school in Sydney has been closed after a student tested positive to COVID-19.

    St Vincent’s College in Potts Point was closed on Friday for cleaning and to allow health authorities to contact trace after a student on Thursday tested positive to coronavirus.

  366. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2020 12:35 pm

    TB, I the killer was, as you say, a fucking criminal. The killing wasn’t my point and I didn’t say the killer was a leftist. However, the fact that some dumb leftists decided to excuse it on the basis of white privilege is worthy of comment. If you think I shouldn’t comment on stuff like this you might explain why:

  367. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2020 12:54 pm

    This is a list with brief descriptions of Hydroxychloroquine studies. It is a useful reference tool.

    I tried to find it on Google by searching for “list of hydroxy studies”. It wasn’t within the first five pages of search results. So I gave up and did the same search on Duck Duck Go which returned it as the first hit.

    Google doesn’t want you to see this information as it does not comport with its narrative. So they bury or delete inconvenient facts.

    Government censorship is bad enough but I find this type of censorship by big tech monopolies deeply troubling.

  368. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2020 2:13 pm

    Tom R, young Mr Leak is continuing his father’s fine tradition of wit and wisdom. An excellent thing to see after Bill was cut down in his prime by Gillian Triggs and her goon squad.

  369. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2020 2:17 pm

    “Another independent Catholic school in Sydney has been closed after a student tested positive to COVID-19.”

    Catholic girls schools can be a tad prudish. They probably didn’t teach the British Columbia guidelines on the correct use of glory holes to prevent Covid transmission.

  370. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2020 2:27 pm

    Tom R, young Mr Leak is continuing his father’s fine tradition of being a racist prick.

    It’s obvious the fall did nothing to leak senior, racism is family trait.

    Clearly some, including those without that context, have wrongly attributed Biden’s words to Johannes,

    Jesus, they even totally misquote him, rewrite it, and then pretend it wasn’t them. They are odious, and should be [insert favourite medieval torture method here]

    Somehow, the words “This morning, little girls woke up across this nation — especially Black and Brown girls who so often may feel overlooked and undervalued in our society — potentially seeing themselves in a new way: As the stuff of Presidents and Vice Presidents.”
    has become him saying “little brown girl” in relation to a grown woman.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/aug/14/johannes-leak-cartoon-of-joe-biden-and-kamala-harris-denounced-as-racist?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

  371. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 14, 2020 2:44 pm

    What did the government do wrong?
    * it advocated hotel isolation
    * this was a contagious and hazardous environment
    * there is evidence that, on its site, there were a range of slack recruitment and safety practices
    * slackness starts at the top
    * if processes in one part of an operation are slack, they are likely to be equally slack in other parts
    * a safety plan and safety audit applies across all parts of an organisation

    The virus leaked out of hotel isolation and into the community. We now have hunderds and hundreds of cases a day. Other states have 0 to 20.

  372. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2020 2:51 pm

    it advocated hotel isolation

    The other option on the table was sending them home to self isolate.

    Considering how many in hotel quarantine tried to break the rules, that would have gone well, wouldn’t it?

    Think ahead from behind yomm

    there is evidence that, on its site, there were a range of slack recruitment and safety practices

    There is evidence of that across the country yomm

  373. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 14, 2020 2:58 pm

    And Victoria has about 400 cases a day and other states have 0 to 20.

    The virus got out of control under the watch of this government.

    Remember – “No game of golf is worth a human life” . FMD imagine if the virus had leaked from illegal golfing, fishing or driving around alone. Imagine the blame and the outrage., but it was the ALP state government.

    The government here talked the talk, then f***ed it

  374. Tom R permalink
    August 14, 2020 3:10 pm

    The virus got out of control under the watch of this government.

    And the Federal Government

    Weren’t we all in this together?

  375. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2020 3:13 pm

    Sums it pretty much …

    EDITORIAL: We’ve said it in our editorials before. We are living under the iron rule of what can only be described as a despotic regime. Citizens confined to their homes, cafes and restaurants shuttered, police patrolling the streets, with fines for anyone who doesn’t comply. And don’t even dare go out after 8pm. If this isn’t a police state we don’t
    know what is. The North Koreans have it easier than this.

    And now we hear that Daniel Andrews had the opportunity to bring in the army to control Victoria’s citizens, and he refused. What an utter disgrace. When it is so clear that what the streets of Melbourne need more than ever is a bigger military presence, more boots on the ground, Daniel Andrews failed us. Too weak to take control of his own state. Too soft on law and order to get people into line. When Victoria was crying out for the army to take over, Dictator Dan said no. This is what anarchy looks like.

    And one more thing. When will Dan Andrews take responsibility for the New Zealand COVID outbreak? Four cases yesterday; four more cases today, yet still no word from the Victorian premier.

    People will die because of this. But Daniel Andrews refuses to apologise. Once again he selfishly focuses purely on Victoria. He hasn’t apologised for the new Nickelback album yet either. But that’s a story for tomorrow’s editorial.

  376. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2020 3:22 pm

    I didn’t say the killer was a leftist. However, the fact that some dumb leftists decided to excuse it on the basis of white privilege

    You just did … just what is a leftist anyway? Opposite to a rightist? ‘Tis silly … murdering and gloating is just fucking murder … whoever it is … especially using children that is just sick … and it shows how sick America is … dog fogive us all if Trump is elected for another term …

    BTW If you think I shouldn’t comment on stuff like this you might explain why:

    One thing the Blogmeister has always been – is super tolerant of anyone’s views … I wouldn’t even bother challenging that and wouldn’t comment myself if I didn’t accept that … (personal attacks on anyone’s family being the exception) …

  377. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2020 3:24 pm

    Other states have 0 to 20.

    Because we ALL follow the RULES

  378. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2020 5:14 pm

    That was a great cartoon! The real racism was Joe Biden feeling compelled to pick a black woman after his recent racist gaffes. Mocking that sort of BS is mandatory for any cartoonist worth his salt.

    Obviously the Democrats and their sycophants are going to be screaming racism from now until the election. That’s what they do. They have to cover up Biden’s history of racism, some of which Kamala called out in the primary debates. So they will call everyone else racist.

  379. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2020 5:25 pm

    “dog forgive us all if Trump is elected for another term …”

    Trump is the last best hope for the US. China has already bought and paid for Biden by investing $1.5bn with his coke-head son, Hunter’s firm.

  380. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2020 6:09 pm

    Trump is the last best hope for the US

    I commend, “On China” – Henry Kissinger, (of all people!) to you. I’ll discuss China?US/Aus relations then.

    I’m surprised you think Trump is an “answer” … unless your bias is clouding your (generally unusual) but clear thinking … Reagan joked about pushing the button … Trump is liable to push it … and obliterate … Atlanta!

  381. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2020 6:22 pm

    And splatterbum, this is why …

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/donald-trump-opposes-funding-for-us-postal-service-because-of-mail-voting/news-story/fb0f8c4e3087f40010887e093020b166

    Trump is a wannabe Dictator with a Dynasty … remind you of any other countries?

    trump is Dangerous to the World

  382. Tony permalink
    August 14, 2020 7:57 pm

    Because we ALL follow the RULES

    There is no evidence that the vast majority of Victorians complied with the rules any better or worse than the vast majority of people in other states. There is overwhelming evidence, however, that every case (and death) in Victoria’s second wave was caused by the failure of hotel quarantine.

  383. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2020 9:34 pm

    Of course … yawn

    G’nite

  384. ivi permalink
    August 15, 2020 8:53 am

    (Dictator Dan is a crim and must resign!)

  385. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2020 11:16 am

    That was a great cartoon

    Are you South African by any chance?

    There is overwhelming evidence, however, that every case (and death) in Victoria’s second wave was caused by the failure of hotel quarantine.

    That is precisely NOT what the evidence said. The evidence showed that the last couple of months of rwdbgs telling lies was really just a heap of rwdbgs telling lies.

    It ‘could’ have happened anywhere.

    But hey, that’s just going on ‘teh’ evidence.

    Out of left field there ivi, but pretty pertinent considering what the Feds are really using this pandemic for

  386. August 15, 2020 1:31 pm

    Given that Aged Care is a Federal responsibility, I look forward to extensive dot point posts from YoM explaining why this has been a Morrison government failure of epic proportions.*

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/14/ants-crawling-from-wound-horrifying-scenes-at-coronavirus-hit-aged-care-home-in-melbourne

    * I won’t hold my breath.

  387. Tom R permalink
    August 15, 2020 6:06 pm

    Well, they are fucking Victorian Ants, not Federal ones!

  388. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 15, 2020 7:32 pm

    Yes, following the NSW Ruby Princess debacle, the federal government had ample time to figure out contingency plans for aged care, in the event that that there was an outbreak and nursing staff had to isolate.

    It is entirely unsatisfactory that there has been so much evidence of neglect in aged care, and the federal government leaves it in this disgraceful condition.

    Personally, I don’t believe there should be corporate or for profit involvement in aged care.
    ————-

    (I trust this comment is approved)

  389. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 16, 2020 4:29 pm

    Stunned silence!

    But remember, the entire responsibility for the leak of the virus into the community is due to the inadequate isolation procedures overseen by the Victorian government

  390. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2020 5:59 pm

    Personally, I don’t believe there should be corporate or for profit involvement in aged care.

    Well said, ToM!

    Some things are purely society’s* responsibility …

    We’ll make a capitalist/socialist out of you yet! I’m impressed.

    * Read – taxpayer supported government

  391. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 16, 2020 6:05 pm

    Personally, I don’t believe there should be corporate or for profit involvement in aged care.

    Personally i think children should be looking after their parents.

    But with socialism the govt eventually takes over everything

  392. Tom R permalink
    August 16, 2020 6:45 pm

    Facepalm nil

  393. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2020 8:40 am

    Still not seeing all the apologies

    And Dan Andrews will rue the day he ever believed anything from a murdoch rag.

    She said people had been quick to blame the guards because we know the outbreak started there, but that doesn’t mean they necessarily did anything wrong.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/08/15/victoria-hotel-quarantine-rumour/

  394. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 17, 2020 9:51 am

    4 Corners should be interesting tonight. They’re going to report that medical people raised concerns about hotel isolation with the government in April.

  395. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2020 10:08 am

    Interesting … they all catch up eventually …

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/australian-audiences-are-let-down-by-tv-networks-lack-of-diversity/news-story/53ca210f589f0e7bc01af4b3c27e1205

    __________________________________________________

    Lazy, uninformed, ideologically stunted LNP governments wouldn’t “get this” – especially its importance …

    A $520m clean energy stimulus for modernising manufacturing – as outlined in WWF’s public policy paper – would unlock these opportunities and more, while creating 22,000 direct jobs, and delivering more than $1.4bn in wider industry benefits.

    $520 million … phut! Chicken Feed!

    https://www.theguardian.com/wwf-renew-normal/2020/aug/11/the-heat-is-on-why-economic-stimulus-is-needed-to-drive-industry-innovation

  396. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2020 10:15 am

    4 Corners should be interesting tonight

    “Concerns” were raised everywhere. But, as the other article stated, “that doesn’t mean they necessarily did anything wrong.”

    No apology yet I see yomm

    https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/coronavirus-sydney-covid19-hotel-quarantine-standards-slammed-by-returnees-for-dirty-rooms-and-lax-ppe-approach/da1f0fb3-719a-47f9-b66e-da081be7682a

  397. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2020 10:52 am

    $520 million … phut! Chicken Feed!

    All our stimulus s coming from peoples retirment savings

    All the grubminsts stimulus is lining the pockets of corporations who should have gone the way of the Dodo

    #ScottyTheSimp is currently trending in Australia lol

  398. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 17, 2020 12:33 pm

    If the government didn’t act on reports of problems, that is very concerning. And there will be entirely legitimate criticism of it.

  399. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2020 1:33 pm

    And there will be entirely legitimate criticism of it.

    Dot Points Of Doom being prepared as we speak

    But none for Aged Care I note, just a faint hope that Dan Andrews can be blamed, maybe even for something real this time (you know, like the Aged Care fiasco morrison himself is largely to blame for)

  400. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2020 1:36 pm

    Chris Dore, editor-in-chief of The Australian, is either really fucking stupid, or he thinks the readers of Super Rupe’s increasingly fash-forward white pride fanzine are.

    For what it’s worth, I don’t think Chris Dore is stupid, even though his email in defense of Johannes Leak’s latest racist colouring-in assignment is truly, madly, you-gotta-be-fist-fucking-me stupid in both its general air of lumpencluelessness and its very particular idiopathy of butthurt victimhood.

    aliensideboob.substack.com/p/the-australians-butthurt-victimhood

  401. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 17, 2020 2:02 pm

    Did you happen to notice that I said the federal government action regarding aged care is disgraceful and entirely unsatisfactory.
    After NSW they had ample time to have a contingency plan for facilities with staff that had to isolate.

    That’s the difference, i can see legitimate criticism, the ALP cheer club just won’t hear of criticism.

  402. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2020 2:48 pm

    , i can see legitimate criticism

    I assumed you were just trolling, with your “(I trust this comment is approved)” snark

    Legitimately

  403. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2020 6:31 pm

    Ruby Princess … my take … they knew they had problems on board and someone contacted the owner a person of responsibility for Carnival Cruises, who contacted, Border Farce, who directed NSW Health to butt out …

    Royal Commissions just lately are simply take us back to the 16th Century …

    Still as I said earlier mistakes (and MONEY) were made with C-19 and will continue …

    At this stage … I’m happy to be a QUEENSLANDER!

    (Ignoring the debacle that has become the Broncos … Siebold was always out of his depth after Benny)

  404. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2020 7:53 am

  405. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2020 8:17 am

    “you-gotta-be-fist-fucking-me stupid

    Tom R, why are you regurgitating this obvious hate speech denigrating a practice that has bought happiness to millions? Perhaps you should re-watch the nightclub scene from Cruising. Given Adelaide’s reputation I’m sure you could find a club where someone would be willing to lend you a hand! Maybe Dolly Downer could help.

  406. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2020 9:08 am

    this obvious hate speech

    Hang on, I thought he was celebrating it? I mean, he used the same words, just differently with different words and missing lots of others and in a completely different context. But because of all those differences, it was obviously exactly the same

    Hate is a difficult concept, I’ll admit 😦

  407. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2020 9:40 am

    Leak did brilliant job of satrising Biden’s racism, sexism an condescending language. That’s what good cartoonists do. Unlike, say, the terminally predictable and always unfunny Cathy Wilcox.

    Biden has a problem with a career full of racism and condescension. He thought it would solve his problems by making a racist and sexist decision to choose a black female VP pick. Leak did a great job which is why the usual hate-mongers are out to lynch him.

  408. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2020 10:23 am

    Not too sure how saying having a WOC as a running mate will inspire young girls, especially brown and black girls, is racist? Perhaps you can help me out here splatass?

  409. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2020 2:18 pm

    I don’t see that Leak did anything other than paraphrase Biden’s comment. It was no more racist than Biden.
    People are far too willing to look for a reason to take offense.
    …and i hope Biden wins every state!

  410. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2020 2:52 pm

    paraphrase
    “express the meaning of (something written or spoken) using different words, especially to achieve greater clarity.”

    Dore had no further response when it was pointed out that the words in the cartoon were entirely different from Biden’s words ― which referred to children of color uplifted by Harris’s achievement, not to the senator from California herself.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/the-australian-kamala-harris-racist-cartoon_au_5f362b47c5b69fa9e2f95d49

    I guess they didn’t respond cos they didn’t want to look any dumber. Enter yomm from stage Far Right

  411. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2020 3:37 pm

    I don’t see that Leak did anything other than paraphrase Biden’s comment

    Being an expert an’ all … after reading some of your “paraphrasing” (is that what you call it, ah, I’ll remember that)

    Taking a simple sentence out of context and putting a completely opposite (sometimes nasty) meaning to it

  412. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2020 3:39 pm

    … i hope Biden wins every state!

    But, but you defended him so many times …

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Anyone else finding this fred a bit stuttery? Help Mr Blogmeister?

  413. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2020 3:40 pm

    “Not too sure how saying having a WOC as a running mate will inspire young girls, especially brown and black girls, is racist?”

    It is racist on its face. He deliberately set out not to choose the best candidate but to choose someone with particular genitalia and complexion.

    The most hideous hatemongers are the victim pimps who segregate society into different victim classes for the purposes fostering social division and enhancing their own power. Just remember if you don’t vote for Biden you ain’t black!

  414. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2020 3:45 pm

    Another mostly peaceful protest brought to you by the Democrat authorities who won’t do their job and keep order:

  415. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2020 3:51 pm

    not to choose the best candidate

    From all I’ve heard, she is an exceptional candidate.

    I’m guessing Obama only got elected because he is black too, even though he is the most adept President they have had for years

    Clutch yer pearls tighter splats

  416. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2020 4:16 pm

    Kamala was and remains a hopeless candidate. She was so uninspiring she didn’t even make it to Christmas much less Iowa.

    Obama’s legacy is his race-baiting hate-mongering. He stoked racial division like the good community organiser he was. He had his first campaign event at the house of some old-school seventies Marxist terrorists.

    Obama was the dumb cunt who pressed the reset button with Russia, told Putin that he would have more flexibility after his re-election and stood by and watched as Russia carved up Ukraine.

    There is no need for Trump supporters to worry – all Trump has to do to win is to campaign against rioting looting and murder all of which are enabled by Democrat politicians in Democrat run cities and states.

    Biden has a tougher time convincing people that he is not senile, not a kiddie-fiddler and that of course his coke-head son was eminently qualified to receive millions form the Ukraine and $1.5bn investment from China. China has already bought and paid for Biden.

  417. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2020 5:30 pm

    This morning, all across the nation, little girls woke up, especially little Black and brown girls, who so often feel overlooked and undervalued…Today, just maybe, they’re seeing themselves for the first time in a new way.”

    When Biden talks about “little black and brown girls” I think it is reasonable that cartoonists provide some ridicule.

    I think if Trump referred to little black and brown girls, the left would immediately call him out for sleazy innuendo and racism.

  418. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2020 6:19 pm

    It is racist on its face. He deliberately set out not to choose the best candidate but to choose someone with particular genitalia and complexion.

    Hey. mon, yo got it bad, bro …

  419. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2020 6:24 pm

    nd while all you boofheads are prattling about an election you have no control over …

    The secretary was asked by the Labor senator Kristina Keneally to identify the federal officer who had given the passengers permission to disembark from the cruise ship. Metcalfe described the process passively. He said one of his officers had given “practical” permission by not seeking to prevent passengers departing the ship.

    The secretary did not name the official, but said: “I think it’s pretty clear it was an authorised officer.
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    “The reason it is clear is because people started leaving the ship,” Metcalfe says.

    Metcalfe accepted that events on that morning were neither “crisp, nor formal”. He said officers from his department “adopted a local practice at the Port of Sydney” and that was “a clear lesson that has been learned”.

    “The system did not work as it should have. I’m not resiling from the fact that we are part of the system,” Metcalfe said. “We have very much learned from this situation.”

    Keneally said Tuesday’s mea culpa wasn’t good enough. “Only federal agriculture officials can give a human health clearance for passengers to leave a cruise ship, but in the Covid Senate hearing, agriculture officials gave a farcical performance”.

    “They admitted they did not do the required human health checks onboard the Ruby Princess, and they could not say who gave the human health clearance, when it was given, or even if it was given at all before 2,700 passengers started leaving the ship.”
    Topics

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/18/federal-agriculture-officials-did-not-follow-protocols-in-ruby-princess-debacle-senate-inquiry-told

    Yep, someone made a phone call … profit over people trumps (deliberate pun) every time in the world of Robber Barons.

  420. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2020 6:28 pm

    There is no need for Trump supporters to worry – all Trump has to do to win is to campaign against rioting looting and murder all of which are enabled by Democrat politicians in Democrat run cities and states.

    LOL! I used to think you were serious … now I know you’re dastardly humour …

    So fucking funny I started coughing! Where’s my mask? Wot Donny says don’t bother? OK …

  421. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2020 6:41 pm

  422. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2020 9:24 pm

    Who to believe… a politician or a military commander…

    The commander of the Defence response to the pandemic has confirmed an ADF offer to make troops available to strengthen Victoria’s hotel quarantine scheme was not taken up by the Andrews government.

    Lieutenant-General John Frewen, the head of the Defence COVID-19 Taskforce, told a Senate inquiry the same support offered to NSW and Queensland to establish and maintain their hotel quarantine regimes was available to Victoria

  423. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2020 10:14 pm

    How convenient. now the government can blame a public servant

    Health Minister Jenny Mikakos says she was not shown emails sent to her department by Victoria’s top doctors in April that warned about problems with infection control in the state’s hotel quarantine program.

  424. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2020 8:57 am

    Who to believe… a politician or a military commander…

    Hard to say, hard to say

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/covert-war-crimes-inquiry-compromised-by-former-afp-chief-mick-keelty-20200812-p55kzj.html

    How convenient. now the government can blame a public servant

    Now? They’ve been doing it all along

  425. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2020 9:01 am

    A true Leader ROFL

  426. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2020 9:14 am

    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the next president of the Untied States of America:

  427. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2020 9:18 am

    This is what happens when you write an article the current government doesn’t like, no matter how accurate it is

    Independent .. yea, right. The same happened to Nick Ross, so they have form

  428. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2020 9:47 am

    Screechy should have been sacked years ago for her bias and stupidity. Has she worked out the difference between profit and revenue yet?

  429. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2020 10:26 am

    Has she worked out the difference between profit and revenue yet?

    It was always clear, except to people who wanted to misquote her

  430. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2020 10:53 am

    Stupid is as stupid does:

    “An internal ABC review found significant problems with the article, including that it didn’t mention that all the largest five and most of the top-ten companies by value pay corporate tax; that depreciation, amortisation and operating losses are not tax concessions, which was implied by the article; and that the suggestion that JP Morgan was writing off a US fine against its Australian income was highly implausible.

    Other problems included describing Etihad, Emirates and Qatar as Australian airlines; accusing companies of lending money to Australian operations at inflated prices to reduce tax; implying Babcock & Brown shifted profits overseas to avoid tax; failing to mention that property trusts are not liable for corporate tax; not realising CSR had sold its sugar business; and describing MYOB as a corporate adviser instead of a software company.”

  431. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2020 11:45 am

    We went through it all before splats, most of the ‘problems’ were things like headlines they didn’t like (which weren’t done by Alberici), and dumbasses thinking that when she wrote “Airlines in Australia” she meant Australian owned airlines, which is just ….. plane dumb

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/feb/28/no-factual-errors-found-in-alberici-tax-policy-articles-on-abc-senate-hears

    MEANWHILE

    facepalm

    NBN Co is considering upgrading its problem-plagued fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) and fixed wireless footprints to fibre-to-the-premises (FTTP), a report in telco industry newsletter CommsDay claimed on Monday.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/tech/2020/08/19/nbn-5g-threat-fibre/

    By the way, why is most of our taxes going to the Feds? They don’t do shit. Let’s just give it all to the states, who are always left with the real work apparently

  432. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2020 12:04 pm

    “why is most of our taxes going to the Feds?”

    The Feds introduced income tax as a temporary measure to fund WWI. Before that only the states levied income tax.

  433. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2020 12:08 pm

    The Feds introduced income tax as a temporary measure to fund WWI.

    Well, it’s funding nothing now except their re-election war chest.

  434. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2020 12:31 pm

    As the first Twit said, this is awkward

  435. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2020 2:17 pm

    was available to Victoria

    You understand that that is not making an offer, don’t you?

  436. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 19, 2020 3:46 pm

    NBN Co is considering upgrading its problem-plagued fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) and fixed wireless footprints to fibre-to-the-premises (FTTP), a report in telco industry newsletter CommsDay claimed on Monday.

    Article suggests 5G could wipe the NBN out. Wouldn’t that be funny?

  437. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2020 6:18 pm

    Article suggests 5G could wipe the NBN out. Wouldn’t that be funny?

    Your ignorance concerning digital technology is astounding … BTW I could buy 250mbs download right now … aw bugger you have no idea what that means!

  438. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2020 6:19 pm

    Article?

    Link – who wrote it ? when?

  439. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 19, 2020 6:53 pm

    BTW I could buy 250mbs download right now

    How? And why do you need speeds like that? I switched from Telstra to TPG 1 year ago because the package is $50/month cheaper. I get 11Mbps on TPGs NBN12 plan. And i have FTTP.. People want affordable broadband

  440. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2020 6:14 am

    Link – who wrote it ? when?

    I linked to it further up. Basically, because mulcums nbn is so shit, a wireless network is better (as long as it backbones off the shitty network)..They will get a lions share of the market (30%) because peoples connections under the not yet completed crappy nbn is … crappy. But a full fibre network has no such issues. Who’d have thought.

    NBN Co is considering upgrading its problem-plagued fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) and fixed wireless footprints to fibre-to-the-premises (FTTP), a report in telco industry newsletter CommsDay claimed on Monday.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/tech/2020/08/19/nbn-5g-threat-fibre/

    And why do you need speeds like that?

    It used to be mainly for graphics needs, but big data these days is also … BIG.

    Who’d have thought.?

  441. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2020 8:04 am

    But a full fibre network has no such issues. Who’d have thought.

    And how much would a full fibre network cost? There was a place in Tasmania connected to Labors FTTP and the cost was $90,000. It would take 200 years to pay that back.

    But it would be funny if 5G destroyed the NBN

  442. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2020 8:48 am

    Detailed analysis of NBN Co’s finances shows FTTP better value than FTTN

    https://delimiter.com.au/2016/01/04/detailed-analysis-of-nbn-cos-finances-shows-fttp-better-value-than-fttn/

    Yes, let’s all laugh cos the libs pissed away $50billion building a white elephant

    If ONLY somebody could have warned us.

    But he got the Alberici treatment, also for telling the truth

  443. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2020 9:05 am

    Did the guy take into account how long FTTP would take to build? Trouble is you cannot trust ALP supporters because by nature you mislead and deceive.

    FTTP requires an underground pipe to protect the fibre cable and most homes don’t have one. Digging a trench down every street and into every home would be very expensive and time consuming. Better to have something up and running quicker. Apparently that is what they did in New Zealand. Built FTTN first and then ungraded to FTTP

    But it would be funny if 5G wiped out the NBN

  444. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2020 9:16 am

    Did the guy take into account how long FTTP would take to build?

    Hi nil

    Fuck Off now

  445. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2020 9:23 am

    Thanks for your answer. So the guy did not take into account how long FTTP would take to build. Digging a trench down every street and into every home would be time consuming.

    BTW i got FTTP and i get 11Mbps with TPGs NBN12 plan. People want affordable broadband not Rolls Royce

  446. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2020 6:36 pm

    BTW I could buy 250mbs download right now

    TB

    How can you do that???

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