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July 22, 2020

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In an astounding turn of events, it’s been revealed that the Hotel Security Guards responsible for maintaining COVID-19 quarantine protocols at some of Melbourne’s exclusive hotels were recruited via popular messaging app ‘WhatsApp,’ given no training and asked to ‘bring their own masks’.

In a process that’s been slammed as incredibly murky, some job applicants didn’t even know who they were actually working for.

Shayla Shakshi was one of the guards who received a WhatsApp message offering her work as a quarantine security guard in a Melbourne hotel.

“They actually contacted me and they’re like, ‘Would you like to work at this place?” she told The Gutter Trash.

“And I’m like, I don’t know who you guys are, what company, nothing.

“I just got told that you need to be here at a certain time and you’re going to dress in a certain way and this is your pay rate. That’s it.”

Towards the end of march and without any tender process, the Victorian Government contracted a number of private security operators to guard hotel quarantine guests.

The Gutter Trash has obtained a series of WhatsApp messages which reveal how some security guards were recruited to work in these Melbourne quarantine hotels.

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On May 30, three days after the first hotel coronavirus outbreak at Rydges on Swanston, there was a call out for “40 guards” to do quarantine work at the hotel.

When someone in the group asked about the rate of pay, the organiser responded, “25 dollars, ABN” — signifying the guards weren’t expected to be directly employed by the company, but act as independent contractors and supply an Australian Business Number.

Ms Shakshi also claimed there were no infection-control protocols at the Stamford Plaza when she worked there in May.

“We didn’t get any training when I got there,” she said.

“They just didn’t tell us what training we had to do, we just had to put a mask on, put gloves on, and that’s it.

“They had no training of how to use PPE (personal protective equipment), how to sanitise hands, nothing. No training at all.

“Then some levels didn’t have sanitisers, so it was really tricky.

“You just didn’t want to touch anything.”

At the end of her first day on the job, Ms Shakshi said her supervisors told her to bring her own personal protective equipment to wear the next day.

“Bring your own masks from tomorrow, bring your own gloves, your own sanitisers, because we might run out because we have so many guards on site,” she said.

She was so appalled she decided it wasn’t worth coming back.

“I was like, no, I don’t want to work at a place which is so unsafe.

“That was the first shift I did …first and last shift.

“I just didn’t want to go back there.”

Within weeks of Ms Shakshi cancelling the rest of her shifts, an outbreak linked to security guards at the hotel was confirmed.

“I just knew something would happen,” Ms Shakshi said.

“Guards were hitting each other. They’re hugging each other. They were touching each other.

“They weren’t actually serious about how serious this COVID is.

“They were taking it as a joke, like, oh, it’s just some virus that anyone can get. You know, we’re not going to get it.”

Ms Shakshi watched, horrified, as that initial COVID-19 outbreak spread.

And she is just glad she didn’t stay.

“It was just really scary working there because they didn’t care,” she said.

“It was really horrible.”

 

 

245 Comments leave one →
  1. July 22, 2020 4:56 pm

    To be fair though, who amongst us hasn’t got a job through Whatsapp….?

  2. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 22, 2020 5:20 pm

    It is going to be interesting following the money trail on this.

  3. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2020 5:51 pm

    Yes, and who could possibly have foreseen that engaging a few dozen uber drivers to fuck guard people in isolation might have resulted in transmission of the virus.

    It’s just bad luck.

  4. Tony permalink
    July 22, 2020 6:42 pm

    According to Tom R, the Westminster System of Responsible Government doesn’t apply here. He blames “the media and the libs”. So Dan’s off the hook then.

  5. Tony permalink
    July 22, 2020 7:32 pm

    “It might even be that every case of COVID-19 in Victoria in recent weeks could be sourced to the hotel quarantine program.” ~ Tony Neal QC on the opening day of Victoria’s coronavirus inquiry.

  6. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 22, 2020 7:50 pm

    To be fair though, who amongst us hasn’t got a job through Whatsapp….?

    Its a complicated world these days. For the first time in my life i recently paid for my haircut by tap and go on my Mastercard. It felt funny not using cash to pay for a haircut. Computers and taking over more and more. Who knows what is next.

  7. Tony permalink
    July 22, 2020 11:00 pm

    Funny because it’s true:

  8. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2020 8:06 am

    For those old enough to remember:

  9. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2020 8:42 am

    So, the libs have finally got the working utopia they have fought for over the years, and this is the reult.

    Can anyone pinpoint the Union involved here?

    Thought not 😉

  10. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2020 8:44 am

    And, the cliff we are falling off just got bigger

    The one thing virtually every economist can agree on is that cutting government spending in the middle of a recession will lead to a contraction in the size of the economy and an increase in unemployment. The idea is so uncontroversial that cutting government spending is called “contractionary fiscal policy” while increasing government spending is called “expansionary fiscal policy”. It’s not complicated.

    Despite some headlines suggesting Tuesday’s extension of the jobkeeper and jobseeker supplement is a new injection of money into the economy, in reality the announcement is a cut in the incomes of millions of people

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/22/the-australian-governments-decision-to-cut-benefits-is-based-on-feelings-not-facts

  11. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2020 8:48 am

    Treasurer Josh Frydenberg will unveil the largest budget deficit in more than 70 years and the deepest economic downturn since the Great Depression in a fiscal update revealing the destruction wrought on the country’s finances by the coronavirus recession. …. and the governments flaccid response and trashing of the economy in the run up to it

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/frydenberg-to-confirm-nation-s-largest-deficit-and-deepest-recession-20200722-p55eeb.html

  12. July 23, 2020 9:47 am

    “Treasurer Josh Frydenberg will unveil the largest budget deficit in more than 70 years and the deepest economic downturn since the Great Depression”

    My thoughts are with Neil of Sydney at this difficult time.

  13. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2020 9:49 am

    lol reb

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2020 11:30 am

    Yes, there are plenty of people demanding money for various causes, BUT… no one is saying –
    * how all the government largesse will be funded
    * it won’t be the recipients of all the money (or this generation) thatpays off the debt
    * that this will leave a HUGE debt legacy for future generations

    The media gives great coverage to the advocates of various causes, and provides zero coverage of the end result if all this.

    And those that express the most concern about our climate change legacy for future generations express the least concern about the debt legacy we leave for future generations.

  15. Tony permalink
    July 23, 2020 11:44 am

    God help us if this senile old man ever gets his hands on the presidency …

  16. July 23, 2020 12:48 pm

    “those that express the most concern about our climate change legacy for future generations express the least concern about the debt legacy we leave for future generations.”

    LINK……!!!!

  17. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2020 1:20 pm

    LINK……!!!!

    Perhaps he meant this one?

    and that a carbon border adjustment mechanism and a digital duty should be in place by Jan. 1, 2023

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/21/eu-leaders-reach-a-breakthrough-on-the-regions-recovery-fund.html

    or this one?

    A Melbourne university student has launched what has been described as a world-first legal case against the Australian government, accusing it of misleading investors in sovereign bonds by failing to disclose the financial risk caused by the climate crisis.

    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/jul/22/world-first-legal-case-student-accuses-australia-of-misleading-investors-on-climate-risk

    ?

  18. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2020 2:11 pm

    nils not gonna be happy

  19. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2020 2:18 pm

    “God help us if this senile old man ever gets his hands on the presidency …”

    Chauncey Biden may win the election but he will never get anywhere near being able to exercise power. That dribbling, blithering idiot will be lucky to last a month before he is killed off and whichever lefty hag is his VP will take over.

    Do you think Hunter will be campaigning with him? I’m sure that the Biden campaign will be in need of a coke roadie.

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2020 2:19 pm

    The organisations that are the most committed to promoting/advocating-
    * the interests of those missing out on government largesse
    * the climate change legacy for future generations
    …while ignoring the debt legacy we are leaving are…

    1. GetUp
    2. The Greens
    3. The ABC

    GetUp find it very easy to rationalise all this because they support the economic irrationality of Modern Monetary Theory, which basically means you ignore debt.

    The Greens really aren’t concerned with mounting debt, because their constituency is made up of public servants and welfare recipients.

    The ABC can’t resist interviews with advocates of those wanting more public funding, because they’re also part of that interest group.

  21. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2020 2:20 pm

    That’s what “peaceful protesters” do – protect goons like this:

  22. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2020 2:24 pm

    “nils not gonna be happy”

    Nobody should be happy at that level of debt.

  23. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 23, 2020 2:42 pm

    Nobody should be happy at that level of debt.

    We should have been running surplus budgets since 2013 but Australia did not want to do that. It is not that long ago but in 2007 the Commonwealth was debt free

  24. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2020 2:50 pm

    Apparently yomms been making shit up

  25. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 23, 2020 4:35 pm

    nils not gonna be happy

    I would really like to comment on Rudds Twitter post but i have been banned from Twitter. Most probably for the better because it is a waste of time.

    But we were debt free in 2007.

    But i guess you get banned from Twitter and The Guardian because somebody complains about your comment. I have seen lots of comments i disagree with and have never reported a single comment.

    Says a lot about the intolerant left.

  26. July 23, 2020 4:40 pm

    “Says a lot about the intolerant left.”

    Yet here you are.

  27. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2020 5:02 pm

    Yet here you are.”

    And what a jolly fine place it is!

    I’m a better person for being here and am grateful to the proprietor for hosting us fractious ne’er-do-wells.

    Why, I bet that if Neil stays around long enough even he will start to exhibit signs of intelligent life. This will be evident when he ventures beyond his predictable Pavlovian responses. He may even come to realise that “But we were debt free in 2007.”:

    (a) is not the answer to very question; and

    (b) raises more questions than it answers.

  28. July 23, 2020 5:59 pm

    “I’m a better person for being here and am grateful to the proprietor for hosting us fractious ne’er-do-wells.”

    Why thank you rectum what a lovely thing to say.

    Now if only all those other ungrateful arseholes would take a page out of your book…

  29. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 23, 2020 6:41 pm

    Splatterbum

    We were debt free in 1972 and in 2007..Both times Labor was elected and the rest is history.

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2020 6:42 pm

    Help wanted!

    “I want it to come to an end,” Mr Dutton said.

    What an excellent idea … this prick needs an end … and soon.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/people/2020/07/23/peter-dutton-biloela-tamil-hospital/

  31. Tom R permalink
    July 23, 2020 6:55 pm

    but i have been banned from Twitter

    And it totally unrelated news

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53495316

    Oh, and wot Splats said, but with less words. Thanks reb

  32. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 23, 2020 7:23 pm

    What an excellent idea … this prick needs an end … and soon.

    Dutton released from detention all the children Labor locked up from 20008-2013.

    You know why you locked up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013 Mr TB of Queensland and of those 8,469 were children?

    Because like all ALP voters you do not believe in borders. You want one world govt ruled by your heroes the United Nations

    U R the PRICK

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2020 9:51 pm

    Dutton released from detention all the children

    Obviously not …

    Now your making up ToM shit … twice as stoopid as usual …

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2020 9:53 pm

    To be fair though, who amongst us hasn’t got a job through Whatsapp….?

    whatsapp with that?

  35. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 23, 2020 10:02 pm

    TB

    In 2008 you voted for a govt that dropped our borders because the ALP does not believe in borders and locked up 50,000 boat people. Of those 8.469 were children

    You want one world govt ruled by the UN

  36. Tom R permalink
    July 24, 2020 8:13 am

    whatsapp with that?

    And seems the grubmint wants to make it the norm

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2020 9:58 am

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  38. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2020 11:19 am

    Do these black lives matter to BLM?

  39. Tom R permalink
    July 24, 2020 12:02 pm

    Do these black lives matter to BLM?

    You recall a little march recently the rwdb’s tried to pin the second wave on?

  40. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2020 1:57 pm

    You recall a little march recently”

    Seemed they were focused on black deaths in custody. I must’ve missed the workshops teaching the partners of indigenous women to treat them better.

    And if you supported those stupid marches then you are not taking the whole Covid situation very seriously!

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 24, 2020 1:58 pm

    In 1996 govt debt was 18% of GDP. Howard took debt to zero by 2005 and less than zero by 2007. Since 2007 we have not run a surplus budget and racked up $400B of extra govt debt.

    What did we get for that extra $400B of deficit spending?

    Howard built more things running surplus budgets than any govt since 2007 running deficit budgets

  42. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2020 1:59 pm

    Of course some people overdo the whole Covid mask thing:
    https://teakdoor.com/attachments/jokes-and-funny-stories/50237d1588640229-coronavirus-jokes-mask-condom-png

  43. Tom R permalink
    July 24, 2020 3:00 pm

    Seemed they were focused on black deaths in custody.

    Well, der..

    But, just because the lolstrayan doesn’t see it, doesn’t mean it’s not there

    “The risks for Aboriginal women going into custody, you have to add on the fact that many are also primary caregivers to children.

    “The impacts are huge, and as well as that they’re often victims of domestic violence and sexual assault.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-05/anger-flares-over-treatment-of-indigenous-women-in-custody/12319734

  44. Tom R permalink
    July 24, 2020 3:05 pm

    Pretty sure this won’t change our long term pre-occupation with budget deficits, but it does have a nice feel about it. So glad the libs cheated their way into the last election, although, I’m pretty sure within the next year, I’ll be wishing someone competent like Labor were there

    In one of those strange quirks of fate, the Coalition that used to screech apocalyptically about “debt and deficit disasters” and “budget emergencies” is the same Coalition that will deliver a deficit of $85.8bn in 2019-20 and $184.5bn in 2020-21. Gross debt will also hit a new record ($851.9bn by June 2021). Taxes are down, and the Treasury doesn’t know when revenue collections will improve. Expenditure is up, reflecting the crisis conditions. To cut a long story short, the economy was sputtering before the pandemic hit, and Covid-19 has delivered a body blow. Australia will endure its largest annual fall in economic history during 2020 – a year most of us want cancelled.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/23/australian-economic-update-can-we-believe-treasurys-glass-half-full-outlook?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    We are truly in dangerous waters

  45. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 24, 2020 3:50 pm

    TomR

    In 1972 and in 2007 The Commonwealth was debt free. Both times Labor was elected and both times they trashed the budget.

    But since 1972 there is only one govt to reduce govt debt- Howard/Costello

  46. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 24, 2020 4:59 pm

    This is hilarious – “objective rational linear thinking” is racist.

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2020 6:45 pm

    Treasurer @JoshFrydenberg says will be also inspired by Reagan and supply economics. Reagan ran budget deficits thru his two terms

    Reagan! FFS! These people are so fucking naive when it comes to economic history!

    Actually global history in general! Fuckwits all!

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 24, 2020 6:55 pm

    In 1972 and in 2007 the Commonwealth was debt free. Both time people voted Labor and both time Labor trashed the budget.

    Debt went from zero in 1972 to 18% of GDP by 1996. In one of the greatest achievements in history Howard/Costello took debt to ZERO by 2007

    Then TB of Queensland voted for Rudd in 2007 and dropped our borders and locked up 8,469 children, trashed the budget, destroyed our car industry, destroyed our low unemployment rate etc

    TB of Queensland is a destroyer of the lives of people like ALL Labor party voters

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2020 7:01 pm

    For the uneducated

  50. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 24, 2020 8:10 pm

    “””””””””For the uneducated”””””””””””

    In 1972 and in 2007 the Commonwealth was debt free. Unemployment in 1972 was at 2% and in 2007 was at 4%

    Please go away and try and deceive somebody else more easily deceived by your lies

  51. July 25, 2020 7:54 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2020 8:50 am

    Eventually they catch up and the lights go on …

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/25/workplace-insecurity-pervades-the-whole-economy-just-when-every-job-is-under-threat

    You had to grow up in the 60’s to know this was the real problem …

    Do not become the 51st state …

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2020 8:53 am

    … would RWNJs be defending its name?

    I’m going to complain to Cadbury’s about their White Chocolate … and any other companies I can fins … I have a friend called Tammy who’s going to complain about Tim Tam’s …

    Kitty’s written a complaint about Kit Kat’s … it’s insulting to have her name associated with cats …

  54. Tony permalink
    July 25, 2020 2:40 pm

    Aged care facilities snd abattoirs are our preferred incubators.

  55. Tony permalink
    July 25, 2020 2:53 pm

  56. Tony permalink
    July 25, 2020 3:29 pm

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2020 3:29 pm

    How many have died during this outbreak? And the government has just introduced the industrial manslaughter laws.

    Imagine if the owner of a toxic waste facility contracted out seurity to poorly trained guards. Then a dozen people died because of an unexpected leak

    I have no doubt that the principal would be charged as well as the security contractor.

    You can’t contract out your safety responsibilities.

  58. Tony permalink
    July 25, 2020 3:30 pm

  59. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2020 4:02 pm

    hmm, so, who let it into Aged care then Tony?

  60. Tony permalink
    July 25, 2020 5:13 pm

    hmm, so, who let it into Aged care then Tony?

    I dunno, “the media and the libs”? Or maybe ask the people who are running this shit show, Dan Andrews and his cronies.

  61. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2020 10:41 pm

    Or maybe ask the people who are running this shit show

    You mean, the Commonwealth Government. They are responsible for Aged care in this country, not the states

  62. Tom R permalink
    July 25, 2020 11:34 pm

  63. Tony permalink
    July 26, 2020 5:19 am

    You mean, the Commonwealth Government. They are responsible for Aged care in this country, not the states

    Wrong again. Remember that federalism thing you liked so much when it was about states going their own way on school closures? Well the same applies to the aged care sector. Anything to deflect responsibility from your Labor cult, I suppose. 🙄

    https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/aged-care-sector-coronavirus-disease-covid-19

  64. Tony permalink
    July 26, 2020 6:20 am

    Good.

    Wall Street Journal:

    A Note to Readers
    These pages won’t wilt under cancel-culture pressure.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/a-note-to-readers-11595547898

  65. Tony permalink
    July 26, 2020 6:32 am

    In case of paywalls, the full editorial by the WSJ Opinion department:

    We’ve been gratified this week by the outpouring of support from readers after some 280 of our Wall Street Journal colleagues signed (and someone leaked) a letter to our publisher criticizing the opinion pages. But the support has often been mixed with concern that perhaps the letter will cause us to change our principles and content. On that point, reassurance is in order.

    In the spirit of collegiality, we won’t respond in kind to the letter signers. Their anxieties aren’t our responsibility in any case. The signers report to the News editors or other parts of the business, and the News and Opinion departments operate with separate staffs and editors. Both report to Publisher Almar Latour. This separation allows us to pursue stories and inform readers with independent judgment.

    It was probably inevitable that the wave of progressive cancel culture would arrive at the Journal, as it has at nearly every other cultural, business, academic and journalistic institution. But we are not the New York Times. Most Journal reporters attempt to cover the news fairly and down the middle, and our opinion pages offer an alternative to the uniform progressive views that dominate nearly all of today’s media.

    As long as our proprietors allow us the privilege to do so, the opinion pages will continue to publish contributors who speak their minds within the tradition of vigorous, reasoned discourse. And these columns will continue to promote the principles of free people and free markets, which are more important than ever in what is a culture of growing progressive conformity and intolerance.

  66. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 10:41 am

    Great job parents – every three year old needs to learn to chant “Fuck the police”. Mongrel child abusers!

  67. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 11:05 am

    Typical peaceful protester:

  68. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 11:31 am

    I knew it all along – glory holes are go!

  69. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 11:36 am

    Funny because it is so true:

  70. July 26, 2020 11:46 am

    “I knew it all along – glory holes are go!”

    You really do bring a most unique perspective to this blog, splatterbottom.

  71. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 12:02 pm

    My concern with glory holes is that they end up turning one into a size queen. They are not much use to the ungifted.

  72. Tom R permalink
    July 26, 2020 3:10 pm

    Sorry tosy, the feds might want to lump it all on the states, but ultimate responsibility, like with quarantine, remains a Federal responsibility

    How else could the Feds prevent Aged care workers from accessing Corona leave if they feel sick? The feds wanted this system of dog eat dog, and they are seeing the results.

    https://www.australianageingagenda.com.au/executive/state-govs-still-responsible-for-aged-care/

  73. Tony permalink
    July 26, 2020 4:10 pm

    Sorry tosy, the feds might want to lump it all on the states, but ultimate responsibility, like with quarantine, remains a Federal responsibility

    Bullshit. The states are making the rules about covid response in aged care – such as number of visitors, staffing, admissions and a hundred other things – so are responsible for the consequences of those decisions.

    The following plan is unique to Victoria. Have a look who produced it.

    https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/202007/COVID-19%20Residential%20Aged%20Care%20Facilities%20Plan%20V3.docx

  74. Tom R permalink
    July 26, 2020 5:15 pm

    The states are making the rules about covid response in aged care

    What do you think the national cabinet is about? It’s the feds who have the final say. They cannot be Pontius Pilate here, they have ultimate responsibility. If the Vic state government has enacted a plan, it would need to be ratified by the Federal Government, As I highlighted, they wanted their workers to be able to access Covid pay, but the Feds stopped that.

    So the Vics have tried to enact a plan, the Feds stopped parts of it, they need to take responsibility for that.

    Of course, they won’t

  75. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 5:21 pm

    What say you, Tom R:

  76. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 5:24 pm

    Chopper has insight into Victoria:

  77. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 5:30 pm

    Animal rights activists are the weirdest of all:

  78. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 26, 2020 5:32 pm

    I think those of you into to cow-raping would do it just for fun!

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2020 6:45 pm

    Mongrel child abusers!

    I struggle to understand that video! (as a parent and grandparent – I have always objected to kids being “used’ in any protest for any cause …)

    I knew it all along – glory holes are go!

    Just finding this shit is sick, sb (and re-posting it!)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    They cannot be Pontius Pilate here, they have ultimate responsibility.

    Absolutely that’s why the Federal Police are … hang on?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Chopper has insight into Victoria: Impressed by the nicest folk …

    Cows are raped for cheese? Potatoes are roasted as non-believers … duh!

    I think those of you into to cow-raping would do it just for fun!

    You do know where milk actually comes from?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see you lot have been busy but not very productive (ie effective and efficient)

    I shall continue with SBS on Demand and “The Bureau” Season 4 … great TV – for a French production … is that culturist? Is culturist a word?

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2020 7:16 pm

    What do you think the national cabinet is about? It’s the feds who have the final say.

    Yeah! The National Cabinet made all those decisions, like-
    * Don’t use the ADF when it is offered
    * 5 minutes training is the national standard
    * Whatsapp is the best way of recruiting security guards for a dangerous environment
    * The best security guards are in high demand – for uber driving and pizza delivery

    National Cabinet also determined that if security guards are going to be paid low wages, they’re welcome to root those in isolation

  81. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 26, 2020 7:47 pm

    I struggle to understand that video! (as a parent and grandparent – I have always objected to kids being “used’ in any protest for any cause …)

    This is what you voted for in 2007

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/young-looking-refugees-sent-offshore

    Young-looking children were chosen to be transferred to the harsh Manus Island refugee detention centre to discourage other refugees from coming to Australia, an inquiry has heard……Gregory Lake, the former director of offshore processing and transfers at the Department of Immigration and Border Protection, told the inquiry he was directed by a ministerial staff member to choose the youngest-looking children from among those eligible for the first transfer of detained people from Australia to Manus Island in 2012, when Labor was in government.

  82. Tom R permalink
    July 26, 2020 9:37 pm

    What say you, Tom R:

    Was a good year, but, there have been many. Not sure ‘birthing’ is the correct phrase,it was Iron Maidens first, but definitely not the others.

    1970 was also a good year, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple all at once. I don’t like picking individual years, but the tweet certainly does have a point.

    I see yomm is back to his simplistic dot points of bullshit. Wonder if he realizes all the weaknesses being exposed are a direct result of the poor working conditions he has been arguing for over the years.

    Yay, you won, welcome to your Brave New World

  83. Tom of Melboutne permalink
    July 26, 2020 10:19 pm

    Really? A Victorian ALP government chooses to use poorly trained, poorly paid contractors when they are offered the ADF!! And you think that’s about IR policy??

    That’s about competence, and the state government is showing very little of that. They were the biggest talking government and have proven to be the least effective.

  84. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 8:30 am

    chooses to use poorly trained, poorly paid contractors

    You know all states did. It’s all there is available. This is thanks to your new world order

    Yet there is nothing ‘systematic’ about one person breaking the rules. That is the result of being urged to do that, from the pm down.

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 8:51 am

    Imagine circumstances where a toxic waste site is secured by people that aren’t up to the job.

    The waste leaks out, and within a month 20 people are dead from the toxic contamination.

    Do you think the operators of the site would get way with declining to answer questions while they await the outcome of their 3 month review?
    ——————-

    All states didn’t use contractors, they used the ADF. But for some unknown reason the ALP government declined this offer – and Victoria’s CMO and the review suggest that the current outbreak is due to the inadequate security.

    With 20 people dead as a consequence (no to mention that the Victorian economy is a basket case) maybe a little outrage is warranted.

    Dan Andrews – all talk, but doesn’t do the basics.

  86. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 9:07 am

    Do you think the operators of the site would get way with declining to answer questions while they await the outcome of their 3 month review?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-24/report-into-cfa-fiskville-training-facility-tabled-in-parliament/7440840

    All states didn’t use contractors, they used the ADF

    https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/coronavirus-sydney-covid19-hotel-quarantine-standards-slammed-by-returnees-for-dirty-rooms-and-lax-ppe-approach/da1f0fb3-719a-47f9-b66e-da081be7682a

    Not that the ADF are models to follow. There are many stories of them breaking their own rules too.

    all talk, but doesn’t do the basics.

    Hang on, wasn’t he Comrade Dan a while back, then cavalier, then, when he shut down the towers, it was back to Comrade.

    It’s dizzying watching the tailspins from armchair X-spurts

    Meanwhile, other states are finding that, from one small outbreak, large clusters appear. Why are you not lumping it all at their feet?

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 9:21 am

    * tougher restrictions – how many of those now deceased caught it playing golf?
    * kept the restrictions on longer – that helped
    * security guards root those in isolation – no wonder they’re willing to take the job for $20/hour

    Conclusion – blame Sam Newman!

  88. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 9:30 am

    security guards root those in isolation

    Guard yomm, the singular expression. And I’d presume hearing the sam newmans of the world would influence someone like that.

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 9:37 am

    And the journalist who wrote extensively about it in The Age provided early warning to the government, but they did nothing.

    The medical authorities warned them and they did nothing.

    But somehow, for this debacle/fiasco/catastrophe you want to blame-
    * Sam Newman
    * Industrial relations laws
    * The federal government
    * And I suppose golfers

  90. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 9:40 am

    By the way, is “fiasco” the correct term in this instance? It implies a degree of embarrassment and I’ve not seen any exhibited by the government.

    Certainly “debacle” and “catastrophe” seem suitable.

  91. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 9:45 am

    and I’ve not seen any exhibited by the government.

    I know it’s only your state and all, but perhaps you could watch one of Dan Andrews extensive conferences, where he answers every question, and takes the ultimate blame for everything. Something our pm would never countenance. In fact, even with cases rising everywhere, he is still pushing for open borders, and less pay for workers.

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 10:01 am

    Andrews “takes responsibility” has he apologised for the negligent system his government was responsible for? And what are the consequences of him taking responsibility ?

    Mouthing platitudes, obfuscation and blaming others are Andrews’ specialty

    It;s a debacle/fiasco/catastrophe

  93. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 10:19 am

    Oh, so taking ultimate responsibility is “Mouthing platitudes” lol

    Get back to yer library and try reading a book rather than a comic

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 10:33 am

    The government provides inadequate safety oversight of a risky workplace with poor safety systems.

    A couple of dozen people die as a consequence, with more to come -every day for the foreseeable future. Many more are on life support. The state economy is f***ed. There is no sign of improvement, it’s getting worse.

    But Dan Andrews – “takes responsibility ” , provides no explanation, sets up a (non binding, optional participation) review that hasn’t even started yet, and won’t report for months, and that’s good enough for Tom R.

  95. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 10:58 am

    and that’s good enough for Tom R.

    Still making shit up I see. Perhaps I should ask for a link?

    You know, your argument would be stronger if you didn’t keep making things up, or, in the colloquial, if you just stopped lying.

    It’s becoming quite a habit for you

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 11:19 am

    So do you think the actions of Andrews and his ministers have been adequate?

    Because all i have seen so far is you vociferously defending them.

  97. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 11:35 am

    Because all i have seen so far is you vociferously defending them.

    Aaaand, the lies continue

    “I’m not saying the Andrews government shouldn’t take responsibility, it was their stupid idea to use contractors”

    https://theguttertrash.com/2020/07/02/australians-totally-smashed-at-home-during-covid-19/#comment-173964

  98. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 12:04 pm

    The Post Truth age is killing people

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 1:07 pm

    it was their stupid idea to use contractors

    It isn’t limited to stupidity, it is negligence because-
    * the principal has a duty to ensure there are safety systems in the workplace that they have contracted to a third party
    * the government is the principal and they neglected to ensure that the systems were audited sufficiently to prevent an outbreak
    * the government has recently passed legislation regarding industrial manslaughter and therefore was fully aware of the absolute obligation in this regard
    * the relevant ministers are a former union secretary and commercial lawyer who are fully conversant in regulations regarding workplace safety, and they didn’t fulfil their responsibilities

  100. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 1:26 pm

    I’ll take that as a sorry then 😉

  101. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2020 3:05 pm

    When your successes come home to bite you in the arse

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2020 6:30 pm

    * Don’t use the ADF when it is offered
    * 5 minutes training is the national standard
    * Whatsapp is the best way of recruiting security guards for a dangerous environment
    * The best security guards are in high demand – for uber driving and pizza delivery

    1. At the time the ADF probably wasn’t necessary (they do have other things to do rather than baby sit recalcitrant Victorians

    2. How much training do you think the ADF gets to “guard” recalcitrant Victorians … IT’S NOT their JOB

    3. Never used Whatsap … have you?

    4. So you recommend the ADF because they have training in Uber driving and pizza delivery?

    You really an ignorant (in the true meaning of the word) twat!

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2020 6:35 pm

    It’s all there is available. This is thanks to your new world order

    ie Robber Barons, practising Uber Kapitalism …

    And ADF personnel are not trained/paid to babysit fuckwits … they are trained to “remove” them …

    It’s dizzying watching the tailspins from armchair X-spurts

    Especially the ones here … oh, and Bananaby

  104. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2020 6:43 pm

    Yeah TB…why use the ADF (like other states) because the security contractors worked so well, and we’re all safe here.

    You really are a particularly ignorant twat

  105. Tony permalink
    July 27, 2020 10:04 pm

    You really are a particularly ignorant twat

    Is that pronounced ‘twat’ as in hat, or ‘twot’ as in hot? Asking for an acquaintance.

  106. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2020 8:16 am

    Is that pronounced ‘acquaintance’ as in ‘acquaintance’ or ‘acquaintance’ as in ‘twat’?

  107. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2020 8:23 am

    Unions do what the government won’t. It’s only been because of months of pressure that this has come about

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/27/aged-care-workers-awarded-pandemic-leave-in-fair-work-commission-ruling

    Meanwhile, the one with final responsibility says all is honky dory (and it’s all that Dan Andrews fault anyway)

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/27/significant-risk-of-dying-australian-aged-care-workers-accuse-minister-of-playing-down-safety-concerns

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2020 9:09 am

    You really are a particularly ignorant twat

    Can’t even make yer own insults … have to be told everything … get tested! Get a mask!

    I’d suggest signing up for the ADF but you wouldn’t get through the door …

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 28, 2020 10:07 am

    Really TB, why do you bother to post nonsense that even an ignorant twat would know is wrong?

    Other states used the ADF to guard those in hotel isolation. The federal government offered this to all states.

    Victoria declined, and used contractors with 5 minutes training, no screening and no PPE. So unsurprisingly the virus leaked out. Now dozens of people are dead and the state is a health and economic basket case.

    But you seem ignorant of those facts.

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 28, 2020 12:24 pm

    Great news here! We’re down to 384 cases and only 6 deaths!

    It’s all going to plan!

    “Stay the course”

  111. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2020 1:54 pm

  112. Back`In`Black`Teabag permalink
    July 28, 2020 1:59 pm

    You`re still remaining men together. Trapped in a clockwork of space primates. We have front row seats to this theater of mass destruction.

    ~

    Operation Latte Thunder. Kill two birds with one stone. Destroy a Corporate Economy, and trash a franchise of Color`d Tape Cutters.

    ~

    Let`s All thank Thomas. With enough Cut Colored Tape, we can blow up just about anything.

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2020 2:10 pm

    But you seem ignorant of those facts.

    Not a bit … its your interpretation of those facts that I’m commenting on … not a new phenomena but you still reside in reside in Alice’s Wonderlan

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2020 2:12 pm

    As for Tbag … who knows what wonderland he/she live in …

  115. Back`In`Black`Teabag permalink
    July 28, 2020 2:46 pm

    Don`t you worry about me old sock, just keep goosestepping along in the corporatist youth, virtue signalling your uni degree and purity of blood, while the nation is asset stripped and loaded up with sovereign risk. All will be fine under the current unleadership with unplanning, and unvision. Step right up and get a real estate deal in wamberal.

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 28, 2020 3:05 pm

    …who knows what wonderland he/she live in …

    I belive he/she uses the site below to write the comments

    https://wordcounter.net/random-word-generator

  117. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2020 3:09 pm

    And in the lostrayan no less

    While most of the media coverage has laid the blame for the Ruby Princess and hotel quarantine mistakes at the feet of the respective state governments in NSW and Victoria, the fact is both failures firmly rest at the feet of the federal government — notwithstanding acknowledged mistakes made by the states.

    Simply put, the Australian Border Force is in charge of incoming arrivals, with the commonwealth given constitutionally articulated responsibility for quarantining. The Constitution, in section 51 (IX), lays out in black and white that the commonwealth, not the states, has oversight for quarantine. It is the basis for the Quarantine Act, which has not been legally challenged since 1908, including during the 1919 pandemic. We also now have the Biosecurity Act (2015), which provides extremely broad powers, and it mandates that commonwealth powers supersede those of the states.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/the-buck-on-quarantine-stops-with-the-commonwealth/news-story/eb81cf5c8dd6d3582ba710ee0552409f

    Mind you, it is pvo, who sometimes appears to be like a lefty he thinks Nazis are, but, the facts are the facts, as awkward as they may be.

    (Still doesn’t excuse the Andrews Government for not using police etc to oversee private contractors)

    It also doesn’t excuse Border Force for farming out their responsibility. Failures all around.

  118. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 28, 2020 4:25 pm

    An interesting Question:

  119. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2020 8:35 am

    I see our industrious media are trying to spin the Feds failure in regards to aged care as another Dan Andrews failure

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/daniel-andrews-deadly-mistake-in-victorias-aged-care-coronavirus-crisis-has-been-revealed/news-story/919a5aa86c04757e18e7311b09db4749

    When they say “suspend elective surgeries” what they mean is, “can you stop doing what you are doing and look after our mess. We have underfunded aged care so much that we cannot cope. Please help us. Oh, and we’ll blame you”

  120. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2020 9:41 am

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 29, 2020 10:38 am

    I think the constitution talks about free trade between the states. Perhaps the government prefers to support the law.

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 29, 2020 10:42 am

    Section 92 of the Constitution of Australia-

    … trade, commerce, and intercourse among the States, whether by means of internal carriage or ocean navigation, shall be absolutely free.

    It has always been a problem for thise premiers wanting to close their borders.

  123. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2020 11:09 am

    Perhaps the government prefers to support the law.

    ROFL

    Oh, you were trying to be serious?

  124. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2020 11:10 am

  125. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 29, 2020 11:13 am

    You don’t think a federal government might be interested in having something to say about the constitution??

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2020 12:04 pm

    Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has announced “no one from Sydney is allowed into Queensland” as she shuts the border …

    Now fucking stay out! 😡

    This is three weeks … you may remember a comment I made THREE weeks a go … that a friend who works in the testing lab here was told she would be very busy NOW …

    Dog knows where half a million “visitors” are hiding in Queensland …

  127. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 29, 2020 12:26 pm

    Of course i know it isn’t unfettered. And it’s also reasonable that the federal government state it’s position.

    And I think it’s bizarre that you’d suggest that the federal government’s position will be based on the politics of Clive Palmer.

  128. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2020 2:08 pm

    And I think it’s bizarre that you’d suggest that the federal government’s position will be based on the politics of Clive Palmer.

    Oh how we laughed

    Meanwhile .

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison has been accused of bungling the response to Victoria’s COVID-19 aged care outbreak after sending in junior nurses to fight the deadly virus.

    It has prompted Victorian officials to warn of a “sh*tshow” in the sector after they were forced to break into medicine cabinets at a Melbourne nursing home.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/coronavirus-australia-scott-morrison-daniel-andrews-in-aged-care-debacle/news-story/be35c644fc3af1eb6329a219b62a5650

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2020 2:59 pm

    … based on the politics of Clive Palmer

    Who? Is he someone speshul?

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2020 6:48 pm

    Queensland … three and counting …

    The two people responsible, fake IDs, need to be in jail now … 19 years old … adults … work in schools … responsible … go to church oh, ohhhh …

    Seems the fuckwits are right across the nation globe … (but I always knew that)

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2020 8:34 pm

    Reading through the posts i come to the conclusion, what is the point? People believe what they want to believe and facts are irrelevant.

    You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say

    From 2008-2013, TB of Queensland, Reb, Walrus and any body who voted for Rudd locked up 8,469 children.

    If Labor got back into power who knows what they would do next

  132. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 29, 2020 8:48 pm

    There is a maniacally reductionist stupidity to your arguments, Neil:

    From 2008-2013, TB of Queensland, Reb, Walrus and any body who voted for Rudd locked up 8,469 children.”

    In your next sentence you say “If Labor got back into power who knows what they would do next”. Does that mean that anyone voting Labor next time will have personally performed every bad act done under that administration even as you admit that you don’t even know what they will do?

  133. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 30, 2020 9:18 am

    Pro tip:

  134. Walrus permalink
    July 30, 2020 11:51 am

    So 723 Victorian golfers tested positive today

  135. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2020 1:27 pm

    I think there may have been a dozen fishing enthusiasts among the 700.

    All the ‘stay the course’ statements from Andrews seem to have worked, so did fining-
    * people alone in their cars
    * people having a picnic
    * golfers

    Clearly we have over 700 cases because too many people are fishing, driving and playing golf

  136. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 30, 2020 2:05 pm

    Splatterbum

    Labor does not believe in borders. I don’t think they believe in the nation State. They do not think it matters where you are born. I think Labor wants one world govt ruled by the UN

  137. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2020 2:31 pm

    Clearly we have over 700 cases because apparently one whatsapp guard got his rocks off.

  138. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2020 2:59 pm

    “People believe what they want to believe and facts are irrelevant.”

    “I think Labor wants one world govt ruled by the UN”

    Unsurprisement much

  139. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 30, 2020 3:34 pm

    I think Labor wants one world govt ruled by the UN”

    The first two words of that sentence are a stone cold lie.

  140. Walrus permalink
    July 30, 2020 3:59 pm

  141. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 30, 2020 4:02 pm

    I gave my opinion Rudd/Gillard locked up 50,000 boat people because Labor does not believe in borders.

    TomR

    I gave my belief/opinion. Facts are irrelevant. People believe what they want to believe

    My belief is that Labor does not believe in borders

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    July 30, 2020 6:18 pm

    There is actually no hope for this State. People are simply too stupid.

    Let’s try the country! NSW is in trouble dickheads. Queensland is in trouble fuckwits – at least they face up to five years in jail … DID YOU READ THAT WANKERS!

    But why is Palaczuk waiting until Saturday to close the borders again? Gives the WANKERS a crack at crossing the border … again.

    It’s not fkn hard, wash yer hands, don’t touch yer face, get TESTED, isolate when told and STAY there, wear a mask when told or when you are with a lot of people.

    Pre-school is obviously not working …

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    July 30, 2020 6:20 pm

    People believe what they want to believe

    My belief is that Labor does not believe in borders

    I’d give my belief/opinion of you but you would only believe what you wanted to believe.

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2020 8:30 pm

    Here on the coast, we’re going to start wearing masks!

    If we move to isolation, I want to (at least) have a drink with the security guards before we root.

    I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

  145. Tom R permalink
    July 30, 2020 9:01 pm

    I’m pretty sure the security guards would NEED the drink yomm 😉

  146. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 30, 2020 9:21 pm

    I’d give my belief/opinion of you but you would only believe what you wanted to believe.

    You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.

    Rudd/Gillard locked up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013 because they dropped our borders. Why did labor drop our borders? Because they do not believe in borders.

    Ultimately Labor wants one world govt ruled by the UN. A world without borders

  147. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2020 8:34 am

    Good to see some organizations are still fighting to save people rather than profits

  148. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2020 9:07 am

    Yes, something has to give. Buying elections is not good for democracy, in any shape or form

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 31, 2020 9:51 am

    As soon as Wayne Swan comments on anything the political bullshit meter dials to “DANGER/EXTREME”

  150. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2020 10:23 am

    fer yomm, just cos I know it eats at his soul (should any of it still remain)

    Treasurer Wayne Swan has been awarded the prestigious finance minister of the year award for his handling of the Australian economy.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-21/swan-named-best-treasurer/2908654

  151. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2020 10:31 am

    And if that didn’t do it, this should complete the job 🙂

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2020 10:39 am

    As soon as Wayne Swan comments on anything the political bullshit meter dials to “DANGER/EXTREME”

    As soon as ToM comments on anything the political bullshit meter dials to “DANGER/EXTREME”

    Fixed.

  153. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2020 10:51 am

    🙂

  154. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 31, 2020 11:32 am

    Just for TB-

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.

    Oscar Wilde

  155. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2020 12:06 pm

    Correction isn’t imitation though yomm, it’s just ……. correction. 😉

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2020 12:23 pm

    Bugger, TR! Beat me … and guess who taught us the “technique”? Thanks, ToM … get tested HARD! (I am a fan of another Tom … ) 😎

  157. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 31, 2020 1:01 pm

    I think it has been explained to you several times TB, people with (even mild) symptoms are tested.

    People, like me, with absolutely no sign of any illness aren’t.

    … and guess who taught us the “technique”?

    Then i can genuinely say- Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.

  158. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 31, 2020 2:51 pm

    “”””””””””””””As soon as Wayne Swan comments on anything the political bullshit meter dials to “DANGER/EXTREME”””””””””””””””””””

    Here is some good advice from Swan

  159. Tony permalink
    July 31, 2020 4:18 pm

    Jeez, thanks for the shopping tips Swanny. I’ve been doing it wrong. 🙄

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2020 6:37 pm

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.

    I had no idea … you were “great” … in what tho’?

    People, like me, with absolutely no sign of any illness aren’t.

    Politically motivated stir crazy counts … get TESTED …

    Jeez, thanks for the shopping tips Swanny. I’ve been doing it wrong.

    Mm-mm-m …

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2020 6:41 pm

    Jeez, thanks for the shopping tips Swanny. I’ve been doing it wrong. 🙄

    2007? FMD!

    Q: Why do LNP supporters always live in the past?

    A: Because the future is beyond them … 😉

  162. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 31, 2020 7:54 pm

    “””””””””2007? FMD!”””””””””

    2007 was the last time the Commonwealth ran a surplus budget. Since then we have not run one surplus budget racking up $400B of govt debt with nothing to show for that $400B

    Anyone with a brain knew what Labor would do to the budget. Unlike the great John Howard the current Coalition govt cannot fix Rudd/Swans budget mess

    Fact is we are now doomed to increasing govt debt, most probably forever

  163. Tony permalink
    July 31, 2020 9:08 pm

  164. Tony permalink
    August 1, 2020 3:43 pm

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    August 1, 2020 6:35 pm

    Aw what the fuck … that’s mmmm …. mmmm … dumb?

  166. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2020 9:28 am

    Thank to the incompetent/negligent hotel isolation practices, Victoria is about to become an absolute basketcase .

    Thanks to –
    * ALP
    * Daniel Andrews
    * union demarcs
    * political imagery above public safety

  167. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2020 3:28 pm

    Thank to the incompetent/negligent hotel isolation practices, Victoria is about to become an absolute basketcase .

    So, all those people breaking the rules, and private aged care facilities not being able to cope, is all because of .. allegedly … one hotel guard?

  168. Tony permalink
    August 2, 2020 3:50 pm

    Cut the bullshit Tom R. The Victorian government failed to properly quarantine returning travellers. As a direct result the virus spread to the community at large. It’s now so out of control, from tonight Melbourne will be suffering a nightly curfew, business closures, and many other draconian restrictions.

  169. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2020 4:01 pm

    As a direct result the virus spread to the community at large.

    As a direct result of one person, and then many, who broke rules.

  170. Tony permalink
    August 2, 2020 5:02 pm

    As a direct result of one person, and then many, who broke rules.

    No, as a direct result if a systemic failure to contain the virus to quarantine hotels. There is no “one person”. The government failed in its duty to protect its citizens. Even the Victorian Chief Health Officer concedes all of the current outbreak can be traced back to the quarantine hotels.

  171. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2020 5:16 pm

    As a direct result of one person, and then many, who broke rules.

    Are you aware that negligent process doesn’t require many opportunities to cause a complete debacle.

    As you know inadequate workplace safety procedures might only have one person to have a fatality. But I don’t think you look for similar excuses for workplace fatalities.

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2020 5:20 pm

    Armchair experts abound, it seems …

    Wonderful thing hindsight …

    A battle plan is useless after the first shot is fired …

    Any good professional manager will make decisions knowing that 30% of those decisions will be wrong …

    A system is only as good as the people who support and follow it …

    How’s NSW faring? … QLD opened its borders too soon (amid much angst from the PM and NSW Premiere)

    I see the Federal Govt has dropped its partnership with Clive Palmer against WA to open its borders … hindsight?

    Refusing to wear a mask and stay inside during a pandemic – is like the people during the London Blitz who refused to follow the Blackout … only takes one household to leave their light on – despite the Air Raid Wardens – sound familiar?

    Problem with the whingers is that their “freedoms” have been taken away from them … they always expect someone else to do the “fighting for freedom” on their behalf … Covid 19 took your “freedom”, fight it with every weapon we have … not the people trying to manage the process …

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2020 5:25 pm

    But I don’t think you look for similar excuses for workplace fatalities.

    Poor analogy it would depend on the investigation and the causes* … or a commission …

    As you know inadequate workplace safety procedures might only have one person to have a fatality.

    Or many … I’m sure you can look ’em up …

    *This is a classic case of Multiple Causation

  174. Tony permalink
    August 2, 2020 5:53 pm

  175. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2020 6:18 pm

    Ever heard of root cause TB?

    Try google because you don’t seem familiar with it.

  176. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2020 6:19 pm

    Social. Distancing. Officer.

    Sack Diktator Dane NOW! It’s all his fault that Aged Care homes have been so run down that they cannot apply simple rules that younger people routinely break (often at the behest of conservative commentators)

    It found the aged-care system failed to meet the needs of its older, vulnerable citizens: “It does not deliver uniformly safe and quality care for older people. It is unkind and uncaring towards them. In too many instances, it simply neglects them.”

    These findings in 2019 are sad testimony that nothing much – if anything – has changed in 14 years. I

    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2020/08/01/aged-care-failings-hurt-morrison/159620400010202

    Dan Andrews stood up and took the blame for hiring poorly trained security guards who broke rules. I see morrisons first impulse was to background his pet reporters and try to blame Andrews for that too. Sucked in, nobody’s buying it!

  177. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2020 6:25 pm

    root cause?

  178. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2020 6:35 pm

    Victoria the Garden State Basket Case

    https://vplates.com.au/browse-styles/retro

  179. Tony permalink
    August 2, 2020 6:46 pm

    Dan Andrews stood up and took the blame for hiring poorly trained security guards who broke rules.

    You’d have a link for that then? I recall him duckshoving it off to a judicial enquiry, specificslly stating he wouldn’t stand in judgement of himself. Shouldn’t be hard for you to find this mea culpa though – it would have been all over the media.

  180. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2020 6:48 pm

    The media is being far too soft an Andrews. The types of questions that journalists should ask at news conferences-

    * Are you culpable because of the death of several dozen people because the virus was transmitted via your isolation procedures?
    * Hundreds of thousands of Victorians are now unemployed because you have shut the economy down, and this is due to your isolation procedures, do you feel any shame?
    * Is worksafe investigating this dreadful workplace and public safety failure with a view to prosecuting government officials?

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2020 9:30 pm

    Ever heard of root cause TB?

    Don’t be a dickwit that’s why I used the term Multiple Causation … I worked for the National consultancy that pushed Root Cause Analysis and proved that there is more than ONE cause to any incident … way out of your league sunshine!

    The media is being far too soft an Andrews. The types of questions that journalists should ask at news conferences-

    Do you actually work for Mordock? Skynews? The Young Liberals? (probably not) Sooty from Marketing? or just looking for a cushy government job?

    Every comment you make is laced with right wing whinger politics … as bad as young Kneel …

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2020 10:30 pm

    …way out of your league sunshine!

    Yeah! I bet it’s right up there with your other “best practices”-
    * the 30 second job interview
    * the competency test for being pissed at work (which you prefer to bac)

    Thanks for reminding me of your areas of expertise.

  183. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2020 8:38 am

    You’d have a link for that then?

    Awkwardly, no. Lot’s of articles sheeting home the blame to him. Maybe he didn’t then?

    Of course, if it is his fault that worker(s) he hired are the result of letting it out of quarantine, then whose fault is it that workers let it into aged care facilities

    * the 30 second job interview
    * the competency test for being pissed at work (which you prefer to bac)

    Sounds like the way non nurses are hired in non nursing homes then?

    You got the system you wanted, rejoice in it

  184. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2020 9:00 am

    Who exactly has been wanting –
    * poorly trained people for critical work that involved contamination/infection?
    * inadequate safety procedures for a dangerous workplace?
    * a lack of screening and reference checking for people in positions that are vital for public safety?

    More invention from Tom R

  185. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2020 9:51 am

    Who exactly has been wanting –

    none has a memory like old dudes hey yomm 😉

    This is a valid question

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2020 10:40 am

    Making things up again.

    Can you just refer to a comment that I have expressed in support of poor training and inadequate safety?

  187. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2020 10:51 am

    You “used” to be quite vociferous about it 😉

    https://theguttertrash.com/2020/07/02/australians-totally-smashed-at-home-during-covid-19/#comment-173975

  188. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2020 11:04 am

    Out of interest, what are the arguments being made *against* paid pandemic leave?

    If someone could explain exactly what it is I might be able to offer arguments against (or for) it.

  189. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2020 11:07 am

    If someone could explain exactly what it is I might be able to offer arguments against (or for) it.

  190. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2020 1:23 pm

    please know you’re arguing government should never outsource public goods to private market

    #logicfail

  191. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2020 1:33 pm

    #logicfail

    pluease esplain?

    And in statements that have stood the test of time news

    You don’t think a federal government might be interested in having something to say about the constitution??

  192. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2020 1:46 pm

    Awkward

  193. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2020 2:52 pm

    More Awkwards

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2020 4:43 pm

    Thanks for reminding me of your areas of expertise.

    That’s exactly why its out of your league … simple stupid comments with no understanding of the real concepts … and a particularly narrow minded view of the real world … get Tested … you need a few …

  195. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 3, 2020 4:48 pm

    Canadians are certainly innovative:

  196. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 3, 2020 4:56 pm

    The see-through plexiglass at the top kinda defeats the purpose.

    In this clip Cameron Diaz encounters an old-school glory hole.

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2020 6:21 pm

    That’s exactly why its out of your league …

    Yeah. Right TB.

    Perhaps you would post links to your peer reviewed papers on your areas of expertise!!

    * The 30 second interview , probably titled – F*** Off and Stop Wasting MY Time!
    * The competency test for people that are pissed at work, titled – Gimme the Keys to that Forklift and I’ll F***ing Show You (hic) How to Drive It!!
    *The defence of government incompetence in safety – How to F*** Someone in Isolation and then F*** the Entire State

    Yes TB, your expertise speaks for itself.

  198. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 3, 2020 9:21 pm

    Wow stage 4 coming up for Victoria. Apparently someone mentioned stage 5 could be next but did not state what stage 5 would be. Perhaps locking up people in concentration camps?

  199. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 4, 2020 8:36 am

    Most annoying word – “reimagining” – although there are many worthy contenders on this list:

  200. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 8:46 am

    Perhaps you would post links to your peer reviewed papers on your areas of expertise!!

    lol, mister linkit wants links

    Still happy with winning the worker wars yomm. Like the new world order you helped create. But go on, blame a pollie who used the same people the feds do. Poorly trained, poorly paid and precariously employed. Your dream

  201. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 9:16 am

    Privatising Aged Care (nursing homes ffs) was wrong, and is being exposed as such in brutal fashion right now (not that it hasn’t for the past couple of decades, ever since they did it)

    Here’s The Home Of The Couple Whose Melbourne Nursing Home Saw Over 120 Coronavirus Cases

    https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/peter-areti-arvanitis-toorak-mansion-home/

  202. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 9:48 am

    Really Tom R, you’re grasping at straws when you suggest that I’ve promoted poor training and unsafe management systems! What do you think I am? An ALP Premier or Health Minister??

    That’s their job (apparently)

  203. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 9:59 am

    Anything to save a buck I guess 😉

    You’re right walrus, the mining companies (for example) continually look for ways to reduce their exposure to expensive and unreliable labour.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/12/21/its-beginning-to-look-a-lot-like-christmas/#comment-120927

  204. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 10:05 am

    That’s the best you can do!! Keep trying!!

    Just tell me, if you were spending a few billion dollars on mining investment, would you prefer to have reliable or unreliable labour?

    Hilarious! but ***FAIL***

  205. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 10:48 am

    Hilarious! but ***FAIL***

    yea yomm, after years of arguing against Unions, laughing when htey pay big fines for breaking laws that prevent them for protecting the health and safety of workers, and now, it’s all come home to roost

    https://theguttertrash.com/2016/03/30/turnbulls-latest-tax-plan-another-gift-for-labor/#comment-125417

    The public expects the government to provide decent minimum employment conditions and protections, so they’re not willing to cough up to have unions do it as well.

    Enjoy your paradise locked up for the next few weeks 😉

  206. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 10:59 am

  207. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 11:06 am

  208. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 11:53 am

    I’ll take that to mean you would prefer to have “unreliable labour” and guess what!! SO would many unions!

    That’s the basic misalignment between unions and the workforce, and why private sector union density is about single figures.

    Don’t blame me, blame union officials that are trying to play an 18 hole game of golf with a one wood.

  209. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 12:09 pm

    I’ll take that to mean you would prefer to have “unreliable labour”

    If you mean (as we know you did) “unreliable labour” as in, not able to strike, then yes, we NEED “unreliable labour”

    blame union officials that are trying to play an 18 hole game of golf with a one wood.

    Is that the same Union officials who have been the ones actually helping workers during this crisis, and have stood up for them when corporations put their profits before people (just like you argue for)

    Hundreds of workers at a Woolworths liquor distribution centre in Melbourne’s west walked off the job after a worker tested positive to COVID-19.

    Work stopped on Monday morning after a cease work notice was issued at the giant Laverton North distribution centre, which supplies alcohol to Dan Murphy’s and other Woolworths chains.

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/woolies-liquor-warehouse-workers-walk-off-the-job-after-new-virus-case-20200803-p55hzh.html

    Nasty, Lazy unions

  210. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 1:08 pm

  211. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 1:12 pm

    If you mean (as we know you did) “unreliable labour” as in, not able to strike

    Unreliable labour means those that are unwilling to comply with the law. Lawful bargaining is fine, but a number of unions ignore legal processes.

    I suspect you’re one of those that think the regulations are optional.

  212. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 1:33 pm

    Great! More from Wayne Swan!

    https://images.app.goo.gl/PDjMGCsmT6isNsFg8

  213. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2020 1:45 pm

    Daniel Andrews, yesterday: “There is no Stage 5, this has to work!”

    Sounds scientific.

  214. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 1:46 pm

    but a number of unions ignore legal processes

    And correctly too. Legally doesn’t mean morally, and I’ll take morally every time you know they changed the legal to help out crooks

  215. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 2:00 pm

    Sounds scientific.

    He’s a scientist?

    I see yomms still finding it hard to listen to the Worlds Greatest Treasurer 🙂

  216. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 2:06 pm

    And correctly too.

    Yes, it’s handy when laws are optional, based on your personal standards.

    It also means those that don’t like masks don’t have to wear one! Great!! They have the same opinion of the law as you!!

  217. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 2:11 pm

    “There is no Stage 5, this has to work!”

    We should have plenty of confidence in Andrews, because his strategy so far of-
    * longest and most lecturing speeches
    * big fines and lots of them
    * tightest restrictions
    * completely inadequate safety systems
    …have worked wonders !

  218. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 2:42 pm

    It also means those that don’t like masks don’t have to wear one!

    Hard to pinpoint what part about ‘moral’ you are misinterpreting.

    So, yomm thinks it’s fine for a company to kill someone and get a slap on the wrist, while the people trying to stop others being killed are labelled ‘thugs’ and fined multiple times the amount s the killers were.

    Whatever helps ya sleep

  219. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 2:48 pm

    So morals are universal??

    My morals have respect for orderly conduct and the law. Yours don’t.

    People have different moral settings, and you prefer yours, the anti maskers probably prefer yours too ! Because the law is optional under that moral code.

  220. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 2:58 pm

    Yes, your morals are for killers to be let off easilt, and protectors of innocent victims to be criminalized

    You would have locked up those protecting slaves

    You would have locked up those protecting Jews during the Holocaust

    What else would your ‘morals’ have allowed?

  221. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2020 3:06 pm

    Thank fuck for the rule of law! Otherwise we would be subjected to the tyranny of moralising moralisers.

  222. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 3:08 pm

    Hardly. Generally, those with a conscious objection have my support , because they understand the consequences of their actions and accept them.

  223. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 3:17 pm

    because they understand the consequences of their actions and accept them.

    Unless they impact the bottom line 😉

  224. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2020 3:50 pm

    That’s not conscious objection, and nor is the behavior of many union officials.

  225. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2020 3:58 pm

    and nor is the behavior of many union officials

    Yea, they’re only trying to stop a corporation killing people for profit

    THUGS!

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2020 5:08 pm

    Best of luck, TR … I know most Victorians aren’t morons but …

    Oddly enough I’m too bloody busy to bother with the whinging …

  227. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 5, 2020 9:48 am

    Will this harsh new measure impact your singing TB?

  228. Walrus permalink
    August 5, 2020 10:49 am

    Stage 5 Lockdown

    • Closing all construction

    • Further narrowing the definition of essential workers

    • Closing bottle shops

    • Shutting bakeries

    • All takeaways shut

    • Restricting shopping to once a week, not once a day

    • Residents not allowed outside for one-hour of exercise

    • Road blocks at all exits from metropolitan Melbourne

    • Hard regional grid lockdown

    • Random road blocks between suburbs

    • Shut down all taxis, with only skeletal public transport available

    • Compulsory mask wearing in homes.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/is-there-a-stage-5-what-happens-if-melbournes-stage-4-lockdown-doesnt-work/news-story/df71df75ec88136f69d859b939a74666

  229. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 5, 2020 11:34 am

    A good question:

  230. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2020 1:39 pm

    Just Parroting him

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2020 5:20 pm

    725 cases today. The inquiry delayed until November.

    Every thing seems to be going really well!

  232. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2020 8:17 am

    Every thing seems to be going really well!

    You must be very happy. Enjoy your victory

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2020 8:44 am

    Yes Tom R.
    Evidence of insanity. The corona virus-
    * is a hoax
    * was started by Bill Gates
    * is transmitted via the 5G network
    * is evidence of bad industrial relations laws

  234. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2020 9:03 am

    is evidence of bad industrial relations laws

    There is plenty of evidence that workers continuing to go to work because of fear or finances is a major driver in the spread. This is the result of your victory

    The other major driver is people listening to rwdbs

  235. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2020 9:06 am

  236. Walrus permalink
    August 6, 2020 10:26 am

    “There is plenty of evidence that workers continuing to go to work because of fear or finances is a major driver in the spread. This is the result of your victory”

    Really…………………….. ? how do you explain the other states then ?

  237. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2020 10:56 am

    how do you explain the other states then ?

    They didn’t have the same amount of community clusters still in presence when we were all forced to ‘get out from under the doona’ (plus, the weather plus the number of people they were taking after NSW’s Ruby Princess outbreak)

  238. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2020 1:22 pm

  239. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2020 4:52 pm

    Yes, corona virus is a product of the neo liberal agenda, to destroy capitalism (apparently)

  240. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2020 6:35 pm

    yomms well into bottle #2 😉

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2020 6:58 pm

    I’m drinking bottle #1 of a very pleasant 2012 Coonawarra cab sav.
    I’ve decamped to the coast and there’s surf without a crowd.
    Maybe this lockdown isn’t so bad.

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