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You will be Vaccinated!

August 19, 2020
Anti-vaxxer Karen protests against Scott Morrison’s proposed mandatory COVID-19 vaccination

Fresh from doing absolutely nothing other than absolving himself from any responsibility for the atrocious state of Australia’s Aged Care system, Prime Minister Morrison has today announced that a COVID-19 vaccine will be compulsory for all Australians with some possible exceptions allowed on “medical grounds.”

Maintaining his stellar track record for announcing things that don’t necessarily correlate to events occurring in ‘the real world,’ the PM said that the vaccine will be free of charge.*

*Spoiler alert: There is currently no vaccine.

It follows on from that other hugely successful initiative, the Federal Government’s HomeBuilder package, launched three months ago as a lifeline to the construction industry as it risks collapse under the impact of the Coronavirus.

The scheme, worth some $680million in available grants, has only attracted 247 applications. 

But wait, there’s more.

Last week the Treasury department revealed that even with these low numbers, no payments have actually been paid.

“As of 7 August, South Australia had received 157 applications, Tasmania had received, by the 4 August, 90 applications, and those are [all] the applications that have been received to date,” Jenny Wilkinson, Treasury’s fiscal group deputy secretary, told The Gutter Trash.

“To date, no payments have been made…because the criteria for payment hasn’t occurred, she said.”

Even if all 247 applications do eventually receive their grants, it will amount to less than 1% of the original number expected to roll in.

Is there any success story this government can’t turn its hand to?

475 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2020 1:03 pm

    It’s a ‘notional’ vaccine reb 😉

  2. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2020 2:45 pm

    It looks to me like Morrison is not up to the job. He has a station well above his ideas.

  3. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2020 2:53 pm

    Developing a coronavirus vaccine may take a while and given the track record of such vaccines it may not happen at all.

    I would like to see more effort put into this type of solution although it seems it requires more testing.

    A cheap effective generic is preferable to a proprietary solution like Remdesivir which doesn’t work that well and costs $4.5k for a course. No doubt the big drug companies are lobbying hard for their products.

  4. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2020 3:00 pm

    Splats, it’s becoming all too obvious why morrisons been sacked from every position he’s held.

    Inept doesn’t begin to cover it. The only question is, how long can his media mates run cover for him?

  5. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2020 3:41 pm

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2020 6:30 pm

    The scheme, worth some $680million in available grants, has only attracted 247 applications.

    Didn’t we predict something like this?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It looks to me like Morrison is not up to the job. He has a station well above his ideas.

    Translation: Sooty from Marketing is a dickwit.

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    A cheap effective generic is preferable …

    I prefer Panadol … I haven’t got C-19 … but it helps with the osteo in my neck so I reckon its an overall good drug … fucking drummers disease!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Morrison Government and Aged Care: a story in two parts.

    Part One: Fucked Up …. Part Two: Fucked Again

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    SPECIAL COVID COMMENDATION to The Blogmeister … this fred flies … fanks freb …

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2020 10:51 pm

    Those that don’t want to have the vaccine can continue to self isolate until they change their mind.

  8. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2020 6:16 am

    Those that don’t want to have the vaccine can continue to self isolate until they change their mind.

    I’m on board. Lock me up and let me out only for beach visits

  9. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2020 6:26 am

    “Getting 25 million people vaccinated is a huge step in the fight against coronavirus, and it’s great that it’s already happened next year.”

  10. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2020 8:25 am

    morrison truly cares about the aged care, doesn’t he. We are very lucky that there is a Royal Commission running at the moment, or else, they would still be lying their asses off to us.

    OK, they still are lying their asses off to us, but we have the facts now. Makes you wonder why they continue to lie?

    Federal authorities were told four months ago aged care centres would struggle to find staff in a coronavirus outbreak, with a confidential report listing the urgent lessons from the first wave of infection.

    The federal report warned of problems in keeping staff, recruiting agency nurses and sending residents to hospital during the nation’s first major COVID-19 outbreak in an aged care home.

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
    Prime Minister Scott Morrison.CREDIT:ALEX ELLINGHAUSEN

    But the report was kept confidential after it was handed to federal authorities on April 14 and was only made public in recent days after being lodged with the royal commission into aged care.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/government-received-aged-care-workforce-warning-months-ago-20200819-p55nb0.html

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2020 9:34 am

    Getting 25 million people vaccinated is a huge step in the fight against coronavirus, and it’s great that it’s already happened next year.”

    That’s just what Wayne Swan would say!

  12. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2020 9:52 am

    That’s just what Wayne Swan would say!

    You have a way with (misunderstanding/misrepresenting) words yomm 😉

    Swan predicted surpluses that never eventuated
    morrison claimed a surplus that never eventuated

  13. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2020 11:48 am

    Similar but not quite the same TomR. SWan predicted a surplus in May 2008 but got hit by the GFC. So that is forgivable. But after the GFC was over Swan still kept predicting surplus budgets. So somebody in Treasury should have lost their job over the false forecasts. The May 2012 claim of 4 surplus budgets was a beauty.

    Coalition got hit by the virus and this was going to be their first surplus budget

    But shows how great Howard/Costello were. Ran surplus budgets with unemployment at 8% and commodity prices much lower than now.

  14. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2020 11:58 am

    and this was going to be their first surplus budget

    As if lol

    “we will achieve a surplus in our first year of office and we will achieve a cash surplus in every year in our first term,”

    Good times

    “Tonight, I announce that the Budget is back in the black and Australia is back on track.”

    Better times 😉

  15. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2020 12:10 pm

    we will achieve a surplus in our first year of office and we will achieve a cash surplus in every year in our first term,

    Yeah Hockey announced his surplus promise in Opposition based on the numbers in May 2012 budget. In Opposition you can only go on the govt numbers.

    In May 2012 Swan/ALP promised/claimed 4 surplus budgets. There was no economic downturn that could explain such a false claim.

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2020 6:07 pm

    How does a Japanese visitor get into Australia … stay in Sydney … fly to Brisbane … and then fly to fkn Japan?

    How does a 77 year old supervisor go to work sick for five days!!!!! And who was supervising the fkn supervisor!

    The world truly is peopled by morons …

  17. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2020 6:26 pm

    There was no economic downturn that could explain such a false claim.

    Except of course for most of the rest of the world still suffering the effects of their massive recessions

  18. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2020 6:34 pm

    TomR

    The GFC was over by 2012. Treasury/Swan/ALP got their claims horribly wrong in May 2012.

    But we have not run a surplus budget since May 2007 with none in sight.

  19. Tony permalink
    August 20, 2020 7:44 pm

    I’m old enough to remember when these people tried to pretend the Tea Party protests were violent. Those were the days.

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2020 9:24 pm

    Biden will be safe, Trump isn’t
    And Trump isn’t even a conservative! He would be an obnoxious loud mouth with any political orientation

  21. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 21, 2020 10:38 am

    There is no way Clive can win this as he has no reputation to lose.

    He’ll be as successful with this as he was at the last election.

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2020 11:03 am

    He looks well. Iso agrees with him

  23. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2020 11:28 am

    Thoughts on Clive Palmer anyone…?

    He’s a Fatty McFuckhead, apparently 🙂

  24. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2020 2:34 pm

    High-profile ABC broadcaster Emma Alberici has vowed she will never host a TV program again after settling a dispute with the national broadcaster

    Don’t hurry back

    (Actually i quite like Emma A, but her report on corporate tax avoidance followed a scripted agenda, rather than balanced analysis. Very poor for an ” ABC Economics Editor”)

  25. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2020 2:40 pm

    followed a scripted agenda, rather than balanced analysis

    Or, as the layman may put it, she just told the truths the elite don’t want the plebs to hear

    This is the key line which the public no longer have access to:

    There is no compelling evidence that giving the country’s biggest companies a tax cut sees that money passed on to workers in the form of higher wages.

    https://victoriarollison.com/2018/02/17/the-truth-bomb-that-terrifies-turnbull/

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2020 2:54 pm

    Emma A confused turnover with profit.

    As economics editor she would know the difference, or if she didn’t she should not have been economics editor.

  27. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 21, 2020 3:06 pm

    I wonder why the Dems had sexual predator Clinton speak at their convention? Maybe to keep Creepy Joe company:

  28. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 21, 2020 3:15 pm

    No surprise the Dems invited this filthy anti-Semite to speak at their convention – anti-Semitism is flavour of the month for leftists these days. And good on Biden’s handlers for disavowing the mongrel.

  29. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 21, 2020 3:19 pm

    And I thought TB was old:

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2020 3:29 pm

    He’s a Fatty McFuckhead, apparently

    Hilarious … Mark seems to have a few witnesses too!

    Can’t wait for the court appearance … when the judge kicks Fatty McFuckhead out of his chambers … or cites him with contempt of court and a few nights in the clink … they need to stop wasting the judicial system’s time.

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    Thoughts on Clive Palmer anyone…?

    Who?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    He would be an obnoxious loud mouth with any political orientation

    You astound me sometimes, ToM … well put.

    And then you go and spoil it all … by sayin’ something stupid, like …

    … but her report on corporate tax avoidance followed a scripted agenda, rather than balanced analysis …

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2020 4:33 pm

    Now, what rhymes with Klive?

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2020 4:41 pm

    And I thought TB was old:

    LOL … you young thing you …

    At least I’m good looking, arsehole … 😎

  33. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2020 4:41 pm

    Emma A confused turnover with profit.

    Much yawns old farts. I say plural cos some other old fart regurgitated the drivel malcum wanted you old fart to believe. Helps to have useful idiots I guess

  34. Walrus permalink
    August 21, 2020 5:06 pm

    “The thorough & forensic review of my work found that I absolutely did not confuse profit and income as my many critics in government & business continue to assert”

    Pretty easy to call her bullshit on that claim

    The original article…….

    “Despite generating income of $106.4 billion, the flying kangaroo has avoided paying tax on that bounty since 2009… ”

  35. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2020 5:21 pm

    “Despite generating income of $106.4 billion, the flying kangaroo has avoided paying tax on that bounty since 2009… ”

    Oh, and the remainder of that sentence

    “thanks to Australia’s generous tax concessions, depreciation provisions and the ability to offset company losses against past and future profits.”

    In other words, they were able to write of their income as anything BUT profit. Which kinda was the whole point of the article, duh

    your similar dot points of images all contain the same glaring omissions and false equivalences. You know, kike when she said business investment has been at historical highs, but they claimed she was wrong because the last three years weren’t. What about the other 7 years dopey!

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2020 5:43 pm

    Yes, it was a campaign for tax reform. Companies were complying with the law and Alberici pretended they were tax dodgers.

    And really, an airline invests in aircraft and that’s tax avoidance!!

  37. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2020 5:46 pm

    and Alberici pretended they were tax dodgers.

    No she didn’t, she simply pointed out the fact that the system is weighted in their favour, and that they use every ‘legal’ loophole to not pay taxes

    And angry old men couldn’t handle the truth, so the got her sacked

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2020 6:09 pm

    And angry old Elite men couldn’t handle the truth, so the got her sacked

    Apologies TR … but the wannabe Elites will relate more easily to that … 😉

  39. Tony permalink
    August 21, 2020 6:15 pm

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2020 6:17 pm

    A park ranger employed as an authorised officer in Victoria’s hotel quarantine system says he was given a diversity briefing but no training in infection control before his first shift, and felt so unsafe that he ultimately quit.

    A great example of the hotel isolation overseen by the Victorian government

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2020 6:20 pm

    So it it ok for the ABC to run an agenda on tax changes?

  42. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2020 7:27 pm

    “”””””””””””Read carefully … 1000mbps and 250mbps”””””””””””

    Thanks TB

    I had no idea you could get speeds like that. But i get 11Mbps on TPGs NBN12 plan. Works OK

  43. Tony permalink
    August 21, 2020 8:40 pm

    … and that they use every ‘legal’ loophole to not pay taxes deduct legitimate expense from gross revenue to ascertain the nett taxable income …

    Fixed.

    “I don’t know anybody that doesn’t minimise their tax. I’m not evading tax in any way shape or form. Of course I’m minimising my tax. If anybody in this country doesn’t minimise their tax they want their head read. As a government I can tell you you’re not spending it that well that we should be paying extra.” ~ Kerry Packer, Senate enquiry, 1991.

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2020 8:58 pm

    Yes, the notion that a public company with statutory obligation to shareholders would pay unnecessary tax is utter crap.

    The claims that they should is a campaign, not a report.

    This type of campaign is typical of the ABC.

  45. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 22, 2020 6:40 am

    “private enterprise at its finest”

  46. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 22, 2020 9:03 am

    Coming to your neighbourhood soon:

    The good news is that Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot has worked out a solution to this problem – ban all demonstrations but only in her street. This mongrel mayor has form – she also banned visits to the hairdresser everyone in Chicago but herself!

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2020 6:28 pm

    “Andrews was not being truthful “

    What a surprise!!

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/as-the-second-wave-eases-will-the-premier-s-prevarications-hurt-him-20200821-p55nxj.html

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2020 12:14 pm

    Welcome to Plaguesville, 200+ cases today. We should be out of lockdown by December 2027.

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2020 7:00 pm

    We should be out of lockdown by December 2027.

    Thank, christ for that! Just stop those devil worshippers and it could be sooner … 😡

  50. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2020 8:32 am

    Yes, the notion that a public company with statutory obligation to shareholders would pay unnecessary tax is utter crap.

    BINGO. Possibly, just possibly, if a company is making oodles of money, why does none of it appear under ‘profits’. Have we perhaps made a few too many ‘loopholes’ for them to hide this ‘operational costs’ away from tax collectors?

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2020 9:32 am

    Fine, is it up to the ABC to campaign for tax changes, and identify companies as tax dodgers when they are paying their legal obligations,? AND have a legal obligation to act in the interests of shareholders?

    This was typical of the ABC falling into line with an anti business/left agenda.

  52. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2020 10:15 am

    is it up to the ABC to campaign for tax changes

    It’s actually up to all journalists, irregardless of their employer, to challenge accepted norms such as this, especially when the evidence, as highlighted in the article, points to a very regressive tax system, rather than the progressive one we pretend we have.
    It is vital that an independent ABC is able to pursue this line of investigation, it’s part of their charter


    (1) The functions of the Corporation are:

    (a) to provide within Australia innovative and comprehensive broadcasting services of a high standard as part of the Australian broadcasting system consisting of national, commercial and community sectors and, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, to provide:

    (i) broadcasting programs that contribute to a sense of national identity and inform and entertain, and reflect the cultural diversity of, the Australian community; and

    (ii) broadcasting programs of an educational nature;

    https://about.abc.net.au/how-the-abc-is-run/what-guides-us/legislative-framework/

  53. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2020 11:55 am

    So? It was a campaign not a report. And it contained errors of fact.

    It isn’t up to ABC employees to spruik a partisan view, it is up to them to provide airtime to all points on the political spectrum.

  54. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2020 12:28 pm

    And it contained errors of fact.

    LIKE WHAT?

  55. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2020 12:34 pm

    it is up to them to provide airtime to all points on the political spectrum.

    Isn’t that precisely what was being presented? We get plenty from the other side, but as soon as someone examines the side the current Government doesn’t want to hear about, it’s time to ignore their cries of ‘free speech’, and time to shut them down, the same as happened to Nick Ross.

  56. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2020 1:16 pm

    “LIKE WHAT?LIKE WHAT?

    Like this?

    “An internal ABC review found significant problems with the article, including that it didn’t mention that all the largest five and most of the top-ten companies by value pay corporate tax; that depreciation, amortisation and operating losses are not tax concessions, which was implied by the article; and that the suggestion that JP Morgan was writing off a US fine against its Australian income was highly implausible.

    Other problems included describing Etihad, Emirates and Qatar as Australian airlines; accusing companies of lending money to Australian operations at inflated prices to reduce tax; implying Babcock & Brown shifted profits overseas to avoid tax; failing to mention that property trusts are not liable for corporate tax; not realising CSR had sold its sugar business; and describing MYOB as a corporate adviser instead of a software company.”

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2020 1:41 pm

    Yes. Hardly anything wrong with her analysis… if you ignore everything she said after “good evening”

  58. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2020 1:41 pm

    which was implied by the article

    lol, so, if you read it their way, not the way it was written, it was wrong ROFL

    Other problems included describing Etihad, Emirates and Qatar as Australian airlines

    other problems include this idiot not being able to read. Just because an airline operates in Australia, doesn’t make it an Australian airline, and, since she only said “Airlines in Australia”, not Australian airlines, then that’s the readers problem, not hers

    The ‘nine mistakes’ are nine examples of stupid. It’s not like this information is new to you ffs

  59. Tony permalink
    August 24, 2020 2:15 pm

    Daniel Andrews wants to extend the State of Emergency for a further 12 months. Much to his disgust, he has to get Parliament to agree. Is that any way to treat a benevolent dictator?

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2020 2:24 pm

    The ‘nine mistakes’ are nine examples of stupid.

    Ok then. Stupid from the ABC’s Chief Economics Correspondent!! About economic matters!

    A stupid professional is an incompetent professional

  61. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2020 2:50 pm

    Ok then. Stupid from the ABC’s Chief Economics Correspondent!!</i.

    Another one who cannot read, and pretends the words were in a different order and spelt differently.

    It's pathetic. As was the nine errors that weren't

  62. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2020 3:08 pm

    I get it – the ABC is so incompetent it can’t competently inquire into its own incompetence!

    Screechy is grotesquely stupid to think that listed unit trusts must be avoiding tax if they don’t pay any tax. This is because they are tax transparent – their income is not taxed to them but is included in the assessable income of the unitholders who pay the tax.

  63. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2020 3:18 pm

    I get it – the ABC is so incompetent it can’t competently inquire into its own incompetence!

    So, you think the ABC is incompetent, because it didn’t make up a list with nine (non) errors and pretend they wee errors,is that the argument you are going with?

  64. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2020 3:42 pm

    I’m saying that the error I described above is a non-trivial example of incompetence. That one is so bad I’m not wasting my time chasing down the rest.

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2020 6:34 pm

    This was typical of the ABC falling into line with an anti business/left agenda.

    Or the ABC reporting a socially sensitive subject that BIG business dodges tax … as do many individuals (legal or not) … Family Trusts spring to mind …

    Now I’ll read other comments

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2020 6:36 pm

    So? It was a campaign not a report. And it contained errors of fact.

    Straight out of the Liberal School of Fudging Facts

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2020 6:42 pm

    Other problems included ….

    The real problem is that you defend companies that OPERATE here and play games with tax …

    Your concern should be Australian taxpayers who foot most of the bill to run the country … maybe we should privatise the government? That way it would really be “small” and the Elites would then make more profit out of the plebs …

    Naive doesn’t cut it!

    Have you heard … we are all in this together … unless you are a multi national … or billionaire …

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2020 6:44 pm

    Chief Tim urges boycott of vaccine for christs sake…

    As I’ve commented before … many times … The End Is Nigh!

    Jesus Fucking Christ!

  69. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2020 7:04 pm

    Jesus Fucking Christ!

    Dudes got a lot to answer for.

    Or, more precisely, those who ‘interpret’ him have.

  70. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2020 6:38 am

    Jerry Jr on holidays with young friend:

  71. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2020 8:42 am

    Funny thing is that Jerry Jr looks a bit like Bill Clinton!

  72. Tony permalink
    August 25, 2020 10:18 am

  73. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2020 10:23 am

    So, how many people hope John Howard ends up in aged care?

    Home to roost?

  74. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2020 12:12 pm

    Virtue signalers get what they deserve:

  75. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2020 12:24 pm

  76. August 25, 2020 1:41 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  77. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2020 2:05 pm

    Thanks reb, I’ve been watching splats posting about it all day, and didn’t have a clue what he was on about.

  78. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2020 2:17 pm

    “Show me the list that says adultery is bad” lol

  79. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2020 3:27 pm

    Exposing the hypocrisies and human failings of the great and the good is always fun. I suspect some of us wouldn’t look too flash if our worst moments were exposed. I’m glad I’m not famous enough to be able to be publicly humiliated like that.

    I bet Jerry Sr is turning in his matchbox in shame right now.

  80. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2020 3:31 pm

    Whereas sexual predator Bill Clinton, who shoved a cigar up an intern’s vagina and messed her dress in the Oval Office, is an honored guest at the Democrat convention where he chided Trump on the correct use of the Oval Office.

  81. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2020 3:33 pm

    I suspect some of us wouldn’t look too flash if our worst moments were exposed

    Some of us don’t pretend to be better than our actions indicate though, or, even worst, try to impose those norms we cannot achieve onto others

  82. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2020 3:37 pm

    Not only did they have Rapey Bill and anti-Semite Sarsour they also featured a convicted felon who, with friends, kidnapped a gay guy and tortured him for two weeks before killing him.

  83. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2020 3:41 pm

    “Some of us don’t pretend to be better than our actions indicate though, or, even worst, try to impose those norms we cannot achieve onto others”

    I certainly don’t. I would’t want anyone inspecting my cavity of depravity!

  84. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2020 3:57 pm

  85. Tony permalink
    August 25, 2020 4:02 pm

    They resisted releasing this report for weeks despite the pleadings of senior health professionals.

  86. August 25, 2020 5:37 pm

    “Bill Clinton, who shoved a cigar up an intern’s vagina”

    I’m not sure that’s entirely correct, unless you’ve got some mounting evidence.

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2020 7:34 pm

    I suspect some of us wouldn’t look too flash if our worst moments were exposed. I’m glad I’m not famous enough to be able to be publicly humiliated like that.

    Based quite simply on previous comments, splatterbum … speak for yourself … 😎

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    They resisted releasing this report for weeks despite the pleadings of senior health professionals.

    Not hard to guess! Exposure is a major risk factor …

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2020 7:35 pm

    … unless you’ve got some mounting evidence.

    Whooo! Clever!

  89. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2020 6:13 am

    I don’t think this person has met our present pm

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2020 8:20 am

    Where did Sooty Morrison from Marketing go for vaccine?

    The UK!

    Another case of political ideology getting in the way of good decision making. ust ’cause its Queensland t’know that Labor State …

    This Federal government is fucking hopeless …

    And for the record it was known months ago that UQ was researching a vaccine …

    UQ vaccine safe, effective, and can be mass produced, researchers say

    UQ researchers spearheading the development of a COVID-19 vaccine have presented the final results from their animal model tests, showing their vaccine is safe and produces a good immune response, and can be manufactured in large quantities once finalised.

    Associate Professor Keith Chappell presented the latest data overnight to the International Society for Vaccines Congress, with about 3000 scientists from around the world connecting via video conference to share their latest findings.

    Professor Chappell said it was the first time they had presented their research to the international group showing that the animal model results indicated great promise for an eventual viable vaccine.

    http://click.email.fairfaxmedia.com.au/?qs=889f0f2b9bc7b4eb68336720a8e7ef4fc5d1a1c0f54bea7e912f6a03098cf25a7b533228eabfb37341dd7f10b41804f296de10637b1748e2

  91. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2020 8:38 am

    “I’m not sure that’s entirely correct, unless you’ve got some mounting evidence.”

    Of course he did – I mean really? Who hasn’t done this sort of thing???

    “In the hallway by the study, the President and Ms. Lewinsky kissed. On this occasion, according to Ms. Lewinsky, “he focused on me pretty exclusively,” kissing her bare breasts and fondling her genitals.(272) At one point, the President inserted a cigar into Ms. Lewinsky’s vagina, then put the cigar in his mouth and said: “It tastes good.”(273) After they were finished, Ms. Lewinsky left the Oval Office and walked through the Rose Garden.”

  92. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2020 9:08 am

    Where did Sooty Morrison from Marketing go for vaccine?

    The UK!

    Seems the game of mates has crossed international borders

  93. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2020 9:09 am

    Ms. Lewinsky left the Oval Office and walked through the Rose Garden

    Is that another euphemism?

  94. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2020 9:11 am

    Dick Tator Dan!!

  95. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2020 9:19 am

    “Is that another euphemism?

    By that stage Bill had erectile problems so after the cigar that was probably all she had to look forward to!

  96. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2020 9:39 am

    Your’e Terrible Muriel 🙂

  97. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2020 9:41 am

    I see abbotts gone to the UK to help liberate their car workers.

    Thoughts and Prayers. Don’t let the pedo hit you on the way out.

  98. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2020 10:42 am

    Apparently Bill misses his human humidor:

  99. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2020 11:13 am

    Equally vile was the behaviour of the “journalists” and celebrities who vilified Lewinsky to protect the Clinton brand:

    NYT journo Mongrel Maureen Dowd called her:

    “”a ditsy, predatory intern who might have lied under oath for a job at Revlon” and “the girl who was too tubby to be in the high school ‘in’ crowd”.

    Letterman joked: ““Top Ten Possible First lines for Lewinsky’s Book” (No. 6: “I knew someday I’d go down in history”) on “The Late Show,”

    Hllary called her “a narcissistic loony toon,”

    And while we’re on the topic respected CNN commentator James Carville said while attacking the credibility of another Clinton victim: “If you drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you’ll find,”

  100. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2020 11:14 am

    I think I’ll stick to my board shorts:

  101. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2020 11:57 am

    Your sacrifice is appreciated splats

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2020 2:41 pm

    Yes, it makes real sense. Brought to you by the government that gave us 700 cases a day (while other states had 0 to 25) and 85% of fatalities!
    Please trust the Andrews Government!
    * lawmaking by decree
    * let’s let bureaucrats govern us. Home by 8!
    * no game of golf is worth a human life
    * fine the picnickers
    * don’t blame us!
    * don’t you worry, we’re here to protect public health

  103. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2020 3:00 pm

    Yep, Dan Andrews should never have let the Feds near the place

  104. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2020 3:12 pm

  105. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2020 4:17 pm

    Shame the Democrat marxists who run these cities won’t keep order:

  106. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2020 4:19 pm

    This is white the entitled white privilege of the BLM movement looks like – coming to a restaurant near you:

  107. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2020 4:22 pm

    Another “mostly peaceful protest”. Another elderly man bashed bloody by BLM mongrels:

  108. Tony permalink
    August 26, 2020 7:15 pm

    Where did Sooty Morrison from Marketing go for vaccine?
    The UK!

    Not sure if youse know, but there is no vaccine.

  109. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2020 9:49 pm

    I see abbotts gone to the UK to help liberate their car workers.

    I was in Kmart the other day and a lot of the shelves were empty because the shipments from China have not arrived

    TomR give it a miss. It is people like you is the reason we don’t make anything here anymore.

  110. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2020 6:11 am

    Not sure if youse know, but there is no vaccine.

    Except they told us one was on the verge (which it isn’t)

    Then again, they told us they had signed a deal (which they hadn’t)

    Then again, they told us we’d make it here (which we cannot)

    Then again, he ‘pledged’ to make it free (which it would be anyway under the NIP)

    More announcements, more lies. Just another day at the pulpit, worshiped at by our gormless media

    Key points:
    The Australian Government has signed an agreement with AstraZeneca to secure Oxford University’s COVID-19 vaccine, if trials prove successful
    If it is successful, Australia will be able to manufacture it domestically
    Prime Minister Scott Morrison has pledged to make the vaccine free for all Australians

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/australia-locks-in-oxford-astrazeneca-coronavirus-vaccine-deal/12571454

    And, I am proud to announce I have no idea what nil is blathering about, except blaming everyone else for the libs killing manufacturing in this cuntry

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2020 8:40 am

    Not sure if youse know, but there is no vaccine.

    Think about that for a moment, ToSY …

    OK, I’ll explain … there is a number of vaccines under trial … none are accepted yet … Sooty attempted to pre-emp the “market” (LOL!) but went to the UK, for his marketing comfort, instead of an equally probable vaccine being researched in Queensland … that we could have funded … Sooty chose his mate’s mob as TR points out above.

    There is a vaccine but not on the market … yet

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2020 8:41 am

    TomR give it a miss. It is people like you is the reason we don’t make anything here anymore.

    WTF is this rambling about now????

  113. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 27, 2020 9:28 am

    Obviously being single hasn’t limited Andrew’s love life:

  114. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 27, 2020 9:34 am

    I’d guess that that dog is well used to being between Andre’s legs.

  115. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2020 9:44 am

    There is a vaccine but not on the market … yet

    And, no one knows if it will do anything anyway. Minor issues 😉

    “I was vaccinated with a victrolla needle
    And I’m hooked on rock and roll”

  116. Tony permalink
    August 27, 2020 10:03 am

    There is a vaccine but not on the market … yet

    So, in every practical way, there is no vaccine. Only candidates:

    https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/novel-coronavirus-landscape-covid-19-2.pdf?sfvrsn=9c18d69c_6&download=true

  117. Tom R permalink
    August 27, 2020 10:52 am

    To be fair, there is more of a vaccine than there is of a deal 😉

  118. Tony permalink
    August 27, 2020 11:10 am

  119. Tony permalink
    August 27, 2020 11:14 am

  120. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2020 4:30 pm

    I’m fine about wearing a mask, and i think those that oppose it should think about a genuine civil rights issue to support.
    But… I really find the images of police action very disturbing. Police seem to find satisfaction in strong enforcement, rather than control of the situation.
    Picking off soft targets and bullying has always been their preferred modus operandi.

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2020 7:01 pm

    Picking off soft targets and bullying has always been their preferred modus operandi.

    How long did you serve in the police service, ToM …

    You seem to be an expert on everything?

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2020 7:22 pm

    Yeah. Right TB. Just like the BLM movement that object to the police “methods”. They also have to be former police officers to form a view.

  123. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2020 6:20 am

    Just like the BLM movement that object to the police “methods”.

    Yep, the pigs are assholes, end of story.

    Didn’t see you complaining when people were demonstrating, safely, about BLM, but people flaunting the law and societies well being in general, OUTRAGE!

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2020 8:52 am

    They also have to be former police officers to form a view.

    But, ToM, you were insulting the police service long before BLM …

    Can’t help thinking there’s a background here … y’know surfers an’ all …

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2020 8:53 am

    And BTW the people in the vid above were not exactly helping the police to keep the peace.

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2020 9:43 am

    Tom R -I don’t think the police were quite as vigorous in enforcement of regulations at BLM protests. But i also recall that even you agreed that it wasn’t the time to hold protests.

    TB- i had plenty of experience with the police as a youngster. Their recruitment demographic has always been bullies that were too dumb to get into the military.

  127. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2020 9:50 am

    yea, pigs are so nice

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-07/sydney-police-defend-pepper-spray-use-on-protesters/12330558

    I see abbotts talents precede him

  128. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2020 10:04 am

    It’s quite interesting that, at the height of an economic turn down, the Government wants to stop an economic stimulus like the Chinese deal with the Vic Government will provide. Especially after, they tried to do a deal with the Chinese that took Australian jobs, and called the Unions and Labor racist for stopping it, have done similar deals themselves, and lastly, have underfunded the Victorian state government in recent years for purely political purposes leaving the Victorians with little option but to go to the Chinese

    Best economic managers. ROFL

  129. Walrus permalink
    August 28, 2020 10:22 am

    “…..have underfunded the Victorian state government in recent years for purely political purposes leaving the Victorians with little option but to go to the Chinese”

    NSW has also contributed more GST than it has ever gotten back but we also never had to turn to China. Funny how Victoria is the exception for Covid and now it’s reliance on China.

    Yeah nothing to see here………………… yeah right

  130. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2020 10:44 am

    NSW has also contributed more GST than it has ever gotten back

    So has Victoria 😉

    Nothing to see, Move along. Nothing to see

  131. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2020 10:50 am

    Victoria is a health and economic basket case.
    The only reason we have an economy at the moment is that the other states are willing to pay our way.

  132. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2020 11:33 am

    The only reason we have an economy at the moment is that the other states are willing to pay our way.

    I think you’ll find the economy is pretty stuffed everywhere yomm

  133. Walrus permalink
    August 28, 2020 12:10 pm

    “Want to know why Victoria went looking for infrastructure funding from China? ”

    Because they missed the Federal Government asset recycling deadline

    Fixed it for you !

  134. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2020 2:04 pm

    Other states have signs of life, they allow the building and construction industry to continue.
    Victoria has reduced even that sector by 75%

  135. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2020 2:32 pm

    Because they missed the Federal Government asset recycling deadline

    ROFL

  136. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2020 2:39 pm

    I guess this is what you areferring to. Simply stolen by the government, in their futile attempt to create a surplus

    But with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull expected to call an election within days,Treasury officials moved to wind up the scheme early and pour the money back into consolidated revenue.

    https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/turnbull-government-pockets-leftover-asset-recycling-funds-in-federal-budget-20160427-gog2bg

    The saddest part of that is the Vic would have only got the money if they sold assets, which they dutifully did, only to have the feds renege on them.

    And, for icing, who did they sell that ‘asset’ to?

  137. Walrus permalink
    August 28, 2020 5:11 pm

    Goodyear Announces They Will Only Sell Tires For Left Side Of Car

    https://babylonbee.com/news/goodyear-announces-it-will-only-sell-tires-for-left-side-of-car

  138. Tony permalink
    August 28, 2020 6:21 pm

    What country am I living in? One of Victoria’s assistant police commissioners has called protesters “tinfoil hat wearing” and “batshit crazy”. It’s not the police’s job to have public political opinions. Their job is to uphold the law, whatever that may be at the time – not to pontificate about them or the people subjected to them. Many of the rules (not laws) people object to didn’t exist a year ago and likely won’t exist a year down the track.

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2020 6:23 pm

    TB- i had plenty of experience with the police as a youngster. Their recruitment demographic has always been bullies that were too dumb to get into the military.

    Which grammar school did you go to?

    Could you enlighten me on just what … plenty of experience with the police as a youngster means?

    I see you are expert in ADF enlistment requirements too … wow!

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2020 6:35 pm

    Their job is to uphold the law, whatever that may be at the time

    Make yer mind up, ToSY

    Tony permalink
    August 27, 2020 11:14 am

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I do hope that, Walter, is providing us with a little sarcastic humour above … but based on previous comments he may believe it!

    Why are so many people obsessed with the US of A …

  141. Tony permalink
    August 28, 2020 6:42 pm

    Make yer mind up, ToSY

    My mind *is* made up. Police can do their job while still respecting people’s diverse opinions. In both cases they overstep those boundaries. Dan Andrews can denigrate the protesters – he’s a politician. Police are public servants so should respect the public they serve.

  142. Tony permalink
    August 28, 2020 7:15 pm

    I also used to object to previous commissioner Simon Overland going on radio and saying nightclubs should close earlier. It’s not his role to make laws, just to enforce them. If the people want to go clubbing till daylight and their elected representatives legislate to allow it, then the police need to deal with it. Not whinge that it makes their job too hard.

  143. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2020 8:44 pm

    Yes. The police like enforcement, treating everyone as a suspect.

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2020 10:54 pm

    It’s great news!!
    * we’ve had thousands of cases in the past few weeks
    * hundreds of people have died
    * we’re a health and economic basket case
    * we rely on the largesse of the other states to prop us up
    * who knows when we will have the life available to people in other states

    …BUT… We’re meeting our social inclusion indicators!!!
    GO VICTORIA!!!

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2020 9:10 am

    Not whinge that it makes their job too hard.

    You should join up … 😀 … show ’em how its done ➡

    This will make ToM and ToSY do one of two things … fire up or fizzle out … I have my suspicions …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/29/its-got-to-be-a-big-stick-melburnians-perhaps-surprisingly-are-all-for-lockdown

    BTW the majority of Queenslanders! are fed up with our restrictions … but we all support Anna and her Medical Advisers …

    eg. My kids have decided to split the family on Fathers’ Day, to accommodate the group gathering rules … while I get two “days” … I would much prefer all the family together … and I also cancelled my usual firepit birthday party in June … we now wear masks when shopping … etc …

    Its called self discipline … (unless you are a Victorian Elite or Stupids)

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2020 9:19 am

    Mr Morrison made it clear on Friday he believes the downward trajectory of virus cases means states should consider opening up for the holiday period.

    “Well look, I believe we can, domestically,” he said about the Christmas travel date, Seven News reports.

    “I’d love to say we could do it internationally but I don’t think I can give you that pledge internationally.

    I hope that changes but based on the current evidence that doesn’t look likely.”

    Mr Morrison said closed borders is a “recipe for economic ruin” and is “not the plan” long-term.

    “The plan is to ensure testing, tracing and outbreak containment, strong quarantine, COVID safe behaviours in the workplace, in the home, at the footy club, at the ground, in this conference.”

    Hope and prayers, hope and prayers … and don’t forget the footy … so pleased we have state premiers running the show on the ground … and not the Happy Clappy Cheerleader ..

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2020 4:57 pm

    (unless you are a Victorian Elite or Stupids)

    Do you have any idea what the current restrictions in Victoria involve TB?

  148. August 29, 2020 5:42 pm

    Karen makes a lot of sense..

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  149. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2020 6:56 pm

    Do you have any idea what the current restrictions in Victoria involve TB?

    I have a TV and read your news every day … AND … we have shifting restrictions in Queensland just like you … in fact earlier, the same as you … but nobody whinged we just got on with it … then we had a few stupids and elites fucking 99.9% of us up … suck it up princess … my family live in the same street I haven’t seen some of them for fucking weeks! (They work in retail or travel on public transport and are CONCERNED citizens) … I have a son in law who has a project in Orange if he goes on site … we may not see him until after Christmas! WTF do you think you are? The Lone Stranger?

    Build a fucking bridge … and get over it.

    Victoria’s numbers are falling … its about self discipline … discover it. FFS!

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2020 6:58 pm

    ‘Bout time Karen was vaccinated … for (choose your symptom)

  151. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2020 7:14 pm

    Yeah right TB. Victoria has the most severe restrictions in the world and the outbreak is due to slack process overseen by the state ALP government.

    And your suggestion is to patronise.

  152. Tony permalink
    August 29, 2020 7:35 pm

  153. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2020 7:56 pm

    The police dealing with another soft target.

    And we’ve become a nation of snitches

  154. Tony permalink
    August 29, 2020 8:48 pm

    Wait till they see some of TB’s social media posts.

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 30, 2020 10:27 am

    Lots of people warned about a second wave, but no one expected it to be caused by an incompetent and negligent state government

  156. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 30, 2020 11:31 am

    Victoria 114 cases, NSW 7.

    It’s a slaughter!! Go Dan!! We’re punching above our weight again!!

  157. August 30, 2020 7:26 pm

    The laffs keep coming over at the #ScottyfromMarketing govt with Josh Frydenberg getting all teary-eyed because apparently Dan Andrews doesn’t have a concrete plan for getting Victoria out of a T4 lockdown, whereas ‘back in black’ was done n’ dusted.

    Honestly, does Josh have the slightest inkling of how much of a stupid fucking twat he is?

    I guess not.

  158. August 30, 2020 9:41 pm

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  159. August 30, 2020 9:45 pm

    “Schools are safe. I can’t be any clearer than that”.

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  160. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 30, 2020 9:56 pm

    Heavens! We’re in the middle of the worst economic downturn in 90 years and the worst health crisis in a century!
    (Apparently) we have the worst government in memory…and the ALP may have drawn level, 2 years out from an election!
    I’m not sure everyone will be slapping Albanese on the back for that.
    The hacks and power brokers might have something shaper for his back.

  161. Tom R permalink
    August 31, 2020 8:29 am

    We’re in the middle of the worst economic downturn in 90 years

    And we were so prepared for it too.

    But while the economic carnage of the present will deservedly get the attention, we should not let it blind us to the reality that even before the virus, the economy was barely limping along.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/commentisfree/2020/aug/30/before-covid-inflicted-carnage-the-australian-economy-was-struggling

  162. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 31, 2020 9:26 am

    Back to school kiddies:

    “Coronavirus infections are rising sharply at the University of Alabama, where school officials have reported more than 1,000 cases since classes began Aug. 19.”

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2020 10:14 am

    Wait till they see some of TB’s social media posts.

    Don’t have any …

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2020 10:18 am

    I liked the “G’day Joshie” as Albanese walked past …

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2020 10:21 am

    even before the virus, the economy was barely limping along.

    You should also note that the GFC was just a figment of some ALP voters’ imaginations …

  166. August 31, 2020 10:41 am

    “back in black”

    Still haven’t stopped lolling at Joshie trying to berate Dan Andrews.

    Get fucked ya inept baldy failure.

  167. August 31, 2020 10:44 am

    And ppl say Katharine Murphy doesn’t have a sense of humour… 😆 😆

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  168. August 31, 2020 10:45 am

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  169. Tom R permalink
    August 31, 2020 11:34 am

    yAnd ppl say Katharine Murphy doesn’t have a sense of humour

    You need one in her line of work

    oshi ,, er joshie, is a slow learner

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/josh-frydenberg-jay-weatherill-verbal-biff/8359056

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2020 12:07 pm

    joshie. is. slow.

    More accurate, TR … 😎

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2020 12:09 pm

    Pity they’re not Back In Black … they should – in so many ways … !

  172. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 31, 2020 12:27 pm

    Frydenberg is my local member, he seems a decent fellow.

    With regard to his comments about opening Victoria, it is certainly time for Adrews to tell us his criteria for easing the restrictions.

    Is it when we have 7 days of single figure, or 14 days of an average under 20?

    He must know, and it’s reasonable to advise the community of the criteria we have to meet.

    If he doesn’t do that he is just giving ammunition to the anti maskers

  173. August 31, 2020 1:25 pm

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  174. August 31, 2020 1:27 pm

    Would Morrison & Frydenberg please tell us what their pathway out of recession is?

  175. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 31, 2020 2:21 pm

    I believe the political consensus for the pathway out of recession is to place our generation in HUGE debt, and the next generation and the one after that.

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2020 4:34 pm

    I believe the political consensus for the pathway out of recession is to place our generation in HUGE debt, and the next generation and the one after that.

    So what’s new?

    We’ve been doing it since the Boer War – WW1 – WW2 – Korea – Vietnam – Iraq – Afghanistan … and Mr Sooty is shaping up for the next one right now … its a right of passage for Prime Ministers …

    Find us another path Mr ToM … we know how creative you can be …

  177. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 31, 2020 4:55 pm

    Well the Commonwealth was debt free in 1972, then Whitlam trashed the budget and started increasing govt debt. It reached 7% of GDP by 1983 and 18% by 1996. Howard took govt debt to zero. Then since 2007 govt debt has increased to 18% of GDP where is was in 1996.

    After this stimulus spending i think govt debt will be uncontrollable

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2020 6:15 pm

    After this stimulus spending i think govt debt will be uncontrollable

    Perhaps you and Mr ToM could form a coalition and come up with a viable plan, Kneel … oh wait!

    (BTW its 2020!)

  179. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2020 6:18 pm

    For Mr ToM

    The revelation came as it was also revealed 33 of the 41 new deaths announced in Victoria today were from aged care facilities run by the Commonwealth that had not previously informed state authorities of the fatalities.

  180. Tom R permalink
    August 31, 2020 6:32 pm

    Frydenberg is my local member,

    He can’t even keep a bloody Library open, how did we ever expect him to keep us out of recession?

  181. Tom R permalink
    August 31, 2020 7:30 pm

    33 of the 41 new deaths

    Apparently, this is just a function of the Federally run aged care homes

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 31, 2020 8:24 pm

    Pay off the debt because no one is spending anyway. And here are my suggestions –
    * don’t bother with corporate tax cuts
    * increase all marginal rates by 2%
    * increase the GST by 2.5% and apply it to everything
    * abolish payroll tax
    * mutual obligation test for all welfare except age pension
    * stop “arts” funding and reallocate it to indigenous arts, education and health
    * phase out private TAFE sector
    * aged care transition to the NFP sector
    * phase out HECS and introduce a permanent graduate tax/levy of 2%

  183. Tom R permalink
    September 1, 2020 8:40 am

  184. Tom R permalink
    September 1, 2020 10:19 am

    More debunking murdochs poison. The question is, why do we have to keep doing this, instead of just burning his fucken papers down?

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2020 10:33 am

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/qld/2020/09/01/melbourne-man-brisbane-covid/

    ToM!!!!! What have you (tried) to do?

  186. Tom R permalink
    September 1, 2020 12:27 pm

    ToM!!!!! What have you (tried) to do?

    Another massive failure by Dan Andrews!

  187. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2020 1:25 pm

    I’m stuck in Covidville. I was enjoying the quiet life on the coast, but i had to return here last week, and now I have to decide whether to go back.
    I suppose it’s a first world problem, so I’m not getting much sympathy

  188. Tom R permalink
    September 1, 2020 1:58 pm

    so I’m not getting much sympathy

    Heavens.

    Is it because, you are part of the problem?

    Victoria should resist external pressure to announce a time-bound “road map” until it is clear what the epidemiological situation is at the time of decision-making. It was a mistake when the state moved from stage three to stage two during the first wave of infections under pressure from the National Cabinet. Lifting the number of people allowed in a household from five to 20 overnight probably contributed to the rapid spread of the virus through north-western Melbourne in the early stages of the second wave.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/how-victoria-can-leave-lockdown-safely-and-avoid-a-return-20200831-p55r0n.html

  189. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 1, 2020 5:36 pm

  190. Neil permalink
    September 1, 2020 6:10 pm

    More debunking murdochs poison. The question is, why do we have to keep doing this, instead of just burning his fucken papers down?

    Your natural totalitarianism comes out again. You will not be happy until the govt runs everything.

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2020 7:01 pm

    Your natural totalitarianism comes out again. You will not be happy until the govt runs everything.

    Mordoch runs everything including the LNP government, you gormless twit, your twisted mind is fascination itself …

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2020 7:06 pm

    Hilarious indeed, splatterbum, having defended the plundering of my IP more than once (the pirates were hung, drawn and quartered … ah ahrgggh!) From Finland to the USA to Australia! QUEENSLANDER!

    Defence my arse!

    BTW just acquired Season 7 of The 100 … 😎

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2020 7:13 pm

    Your natural totalitarianism comes out again.

    Yoir natural stupidity comes out again!

    So how are the sports rorts and Darwin Harbour and the Murray Darling River and the Collinsville Power Plant and the Stanthorpe water mining and the aged peoples homes going (among other stupid LNP government meddlings) and you obviously don’t need a decent superannuation retirement fund … unlike politicians – just to be bipartisan …

    And let’s not forget the NBN

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/sep/01/more-australians-than-ever-are-working-and-studying-from-home-but-is-the-nbn-holding-up

    Ignorance is not bliss … it shits me off, ’cause the ignorant have too much impact in OUR democracy!

  194. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2020 7:16 pm

    Just out of interest TB, you and i often have different views about political issues.
    Do you think I’m more susceptible to the influence of Murdoch than you?
    Why would i be more easily influenced than you?
    Do you think you’re less easily influenced by Murdoch than the people here you regularly disagree with?

  195. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2020 7:20 pm

    Mordoch runs everything including the LNP government, you gormless twit, your twisted mind is fascination itself …

    Did Murdoch cause Rudd to abolish Howards Pacific Solution and drop our borders allowing 50,000 boat people to sail in? Did Murdoch cause Rudd/ALP to lock up 8,469 children and to send young children to Manus Island to be used as shields?

    Anybody who died and any children abused because Labor dropped our borders is on the head on anybody who voted for Rudd in 2007.

    Rudd/Labor dropped our borders because lefties do not believe in borders.

  196. Tony permalink
    September 2, 2020 6:52 am

    This explains a lot:

  197. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2020 8:24 am

    This explains a lot:

    Not sure how. The hotels the virus got out of was manned by staff vetted by the feds. we’ve been over this (yawn)

    Do you think I’m more susceptible to the influence of Murdoch than you?

    Nah, it’s just coincidence that you parrot their lines

    Why would i be more easily influenced than you?

    Something about synapses perhaps?

  198. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2020 8:48 am

    Beijing Biden: “I am not banning fracking. Let me say that again: I am not banning fracking. No matter how many times Donald Trump lies about me,”

    Also Beijing Biden:

    ““Would there be any place for fossil fuels, including coal and fracking, in a Biden administration?”

    “No. We would work it out,” Biden said, quickly and emphatically. “We would make sure it’s eliminated, and no more subsidies for either one of those, period.”

  199. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2020 8:51 am

    Sadly the senile old fool does something like this every time he speaks. In this case the stupid cunt was reading from a teleprompter and still lapsed into incoherence:

  200. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2020 9:11 am

    You do understand that you can eliminate something without banning it, don’t you splats?

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2020 9:24 am

    Do you think you’re less easily influenced by Murdoch than the people here you regularly disagree with?

    Questions, questions … and you never answer mine! Still owe me two apologies or a noice poem too …

    Anyhoo! Mordoch and its many minions don’t influence me at all … I actually agree with some articles in news.com.au … eg I made a similar comment last night referring to the AFL (see below) … was going to suggest you become a footballer … 😎

    But I doubt I will see anything much, if at all, about this is Mordoch press …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/02/urannah-scheme-how-money-for-a-queensland-dam-project-flowed-to-lnp-linked-firm

    There’s researched reporting and then there’s political bias … and you ToM, regurgitate the Liberal Daily Dictum almost word for word ad (scuse the pun) nauseum …

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2020 9:29 am

    “No. We would work it out,” Biden said, quickly and emphatically. “We would make sure it’s eliminated, and no more subsidies for either one of those, period.”

    You seem to have a problem with that, splatterbum?

  203. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2020 9:34 am

    I think those that believe the masses are manipulated by the media, but they’re immune, have a superiority complex.

    Exhibit A – TB of Queensland

  204. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2020 9:38 am

    have a superiority complex.

    Or synapses

    Unlike this tool

    the economic cost of lockdowns meant families should be allowed to consider letting elderly relatives with the coronavirus die by letting nature take its course.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/01/tony-abbott-some-elderly-covid-patients-could-be-left-to-die-naturally

    Guess it’s what happens when your primary boxing defense is using yer hed!

  205. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2020 9:50 am

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2020 10:42 am

    I think …

    That’s enough … LOL!

  207. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2020 11:05 am

    Exhibit B of the superiority complex- TB of Queensland

  208. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2020 11:14 am

    “You do understand that you can eliminate something without banning it, don’t you splats?”

    “You seem to have a problem with that, splatterbum?”

    I was just noting the contradiction:

    “I’m not banning fracking, I’m eliminating it – period!”

  209. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2020 11:20 am

    Here’s Sleazy Pelosi following in the hypocritical footsteps of Lori Lightfoot – hair salon for me but not for thee:

  210. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2020 11:20 am

    I was just noting the contradiction:

    Not really a contradiction, when you want to eliminate something without Draconian (Andersian?) conditions.

    Today, we are all Andersons 😉

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg2yjeCUcAAtKSU?format=jpg&name=large

  211. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2020 11:30 am

    Whether you ban something or eliminate it it’s gone – along with all the jobs!

  212. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2020 11:46 am

    along with all the jobs!

    Perhaps, just perhaps, that’s what opposing banning is supposed to help with? [rhetorical highlight here]

    Perhaps our mob needs to start thinking about jobs, instead of blaming Anderson for everything

  213. ivi permalink
    September 2, 2020 12:14 pm

    (Yegads, Neil is right; lefties are hysterical about shit(s) happen(ing)s: human rights and/or medical dictatorships are getting in the way of the obvious final solution-economies of dumping ill-treated men, women, and children in lockdown borderline-paradises for the terms of their (un)natural lifes/deaths; now, that’s a renewed trade-deal worth celebrating, and a peculiarly-(il)Liberal skillset worth re-exporting.)

  214. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2020 12:38 pm

    Tom R, it seems by “rhetorical highlight” you mean logical fallacy.

    Eliminated still means no jobs.

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2020 12:43 pm

    Whether you ban something or eliminate it it’s gone – along with all the jobs!

    I suppose that’s the way blacksmiths felt too … then they “invented” motor mechanics

    And the carriage makers too, then they invented panel beaters and spray painters …

    And the fodder merchants, ahhh, service stations …

    But what about the pooper scoopers you say (of course you would)? More cars need better roads … guess what was needed?

    I feel for the tyre manufacturers …

  216. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2020 1:23 pm

    Eliminated still means no jobs.

    OR

    It could mean jobs elsewhere (logically speaking (just not in tyre manufacturing))

    final solution-economies

    Ouch

  217. ivi permalink
    September 2, 2020 2:21 pm

    (Exhibit A – TB of Queensland….Exhibit B of the superiority complex- TB of Queensland

    Alternatively.)

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2020 2:44 pm

    Elites Robber Barons at work … with your money!

    Australia Post office employees have been asked if they can work without being paid overtime and use their own cars to run parcel deliveries in order to clear Victoria’s massive backlog, days after the company’s chief executive eased the way for large executive bonuses.

  219. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2020 2:51 pm

    lol ivi, so that’s how House hurt his leg 🙂

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2020 4:30 pm

    Thanks, Mr v … loved fry and laurie … both went on to become super stars … was a big fan of steptoe too hiding in the background (or falling off his chair) …

    LOL! @ TR …

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2020 4:37 pm

    superiority complex

    Nah, I was well grounded in those dark satanic mills of birthplace … but I have, over the years developed a very low tolerance level for fools who think they are smarter than others … and constantly prove they are not …

    Oddly enough, I still turn up here to learn stuff …

  222. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2020 4:59 pm

    I see TB.
    What you’re saying is that there is something unique about you that prevents you from being turned against your own interests by Murdoch.
    That’s just another way of describing a superiority complex.

  223. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2020 5:06 pm

    y wot?

    So you failed psychology 101 and bombed out of Cert 1 in “How to write a sentence that makes sense”

  224. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2020 5:07 pm

    TB I happened to be glancing at the Queensland coat of arms this afternoon and was shocked to discover it features a rampant red deer which is an introduced species. This is an outrageous hangover from our colonial past. All statues and structures featuring this obscenity must be torn down at once!

  225. September 3, 2020 7:46 am

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  226. September 3, 2020 7:49 am

    “That’s just another way of describing a superiority complex.”

    I see.

    So by your logic, if I see a plate of vomit in the corner, and I decide I’m not going to eat said plate of vomit, that means I must have some sort of superiority complex.

    Okaaaaayy…

  227. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2020 9:34 am

    mmmmmmmmmmmmm, vommmit.

    Probably what Keating feels like doing right now talking to fran the sham

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 3, 2020 10:02 am

    Okaaaaayy

    No, it’s more like a babbling, half crazed rechabite zealot going to the most popular pub and telling everyone – “all that alcohol will kill you!”… over and over and over…

  229. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2020 10:13 am

    All statues and structures featuring this obscenity must be torn down at once!

    Absolutely!

    As soon as you get here we can organise a few dickheads people and get started … BYO sledge hammer (you’d have a few of them I bet)

    Did you check the Queensland motto “Audax at Fidelis”, brought to my attention during JBP’s “reign” of thuggery and deceit … means Audaciously We Fiddle … apparently … it has to go too …

  230. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2020 10:15 am

    Have you any idea what you sound like, ToM? Just read that last comment you wrote 😯

  231. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2020 10:24 am

    over and over and over…

    The dead hand of the Unions ….. (you know, the ones who fought for something, anything, to help people over the incoming depression (even if all we got was a limp handout to businesses to .. maybe. pass it on))

    But without them, we’d have had zilch

  232. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 3, 2020 11:28 am

    Regarding the arrest of the woman in pajamas…
    Police alway choose soft targets. Did they warn this woman? Warning should have been the first step. Putting someone in handcuffs should be the last resort, reserved for those that have ignored warnings.
    The police can’t cope when there’s 1% of people not complying, if non compliance gets to 5% it will be chaos.
    Police deserve the heavy hand of reform.

  233. September 3, 2020 11:40 am

    “Have you any idea what you sound like, ToM?”

    I suspect not.

  234. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2020 12:18 pm

    Police alway choose soft targets

    [facepalm]

  235. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 3, 2020 12:42 pm

    “Have you any idea what you sound like, ToM?

    Yes, a voice of rationality among a sea of irrational cheer club members

  236. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2020 1:52 pm

    Actually you sound like this …

    … a babbling, half crazed rechabite zealot going to the most popular pub and telling everyone – “all that alcohol will kill you!”… over and over and over…

  237. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 3, 2020 2:00 pm

    Thanks TB. I think i may have previously mentioned-
    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.
    Oscar Wilde

  238. Tony permalink
    September 3, 2020 6:43 pm

    Did you check the Queensland motto “Audax at Fidelis”, brought to my attention during JBP’s “reign” of thuggery and deceit … means Audaciously We Fiddle … apparently … it has to go too …

    Actually it means “Bold but faithful”. But, whatever. 🙄

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2020 11:16 pm

    Thanks TB. I think i may have previously mentioned-

    Ah, so you agree …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Actually it means “Bold but faithful”. But, whatever.

    er, you don’t think I know that, ToSY … duh

  240. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2020 8:26 am

    It came after the Labour leader, Sir Keir Starmer, raised serious concerns about Abbott’s suitability for the role – misgivings echoed by human rights groups Amnesty International and Liberty, the TUC, women’s equality body the Fawcett Society, and environmental campaigners Greenpeace.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/03/government-pressured-to-backtrack-on-trade-role-for-tony-abbott?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Ah, so it’s not just Aussies who think he’s a dick then?

    Couldn’t happen to a bigger dickhead really

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2020 8:47 am

    I’m still completely flummoxed by the arrest and handcuffing of a pregnant woman in pajamas.
    I find it difficult to believe this is how restrictions are enforced.

  242. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 8:57 am

    FMD, what country am I living in? Heavy handed arrest of a pregnant woman, handcuffing, and search-and-siezure of all computers and mobile devices – while her children literally hid under their beds. Meet the storm troopers of Dan Andrews’s secret police..

    (T)he power of arrest is a power that is given for the purpose of taking into custody suspected wrongdoers in circumstances where such custody is necessary for the proper administration of justice. It is not a power that is to be exercised punitively. The police are not given a power to arrest suspected offenders for the purpose of enabling the police *to punish such people, and the exercise of a power of arrest for such a purpose would be a serious abuse of power… many criminal proceedings are of a kind that can be commenced either by arrest upon warrant or, alternatively, by the much less dramatic procedure of the issue of a summons. Where there is no reasonable apprehension that an accused person will fail to turn up at court to answer the charges, and where the issue of a summons is an available procedure, it would be quite wrong to use the procedure of arrest or warrant where the purpose of doing so is to display the law operating with its full severity.~ A.M. Gleeson AC, Chief Justice of the High Court of Australia (Article published when the Hon Murray Gleeson AC was Chief Justice of NSW)

    https://www.walk.com.au/wtw/Page.asp?PageID=339

  243. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 9:20 am

  244. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 9:31 am

    There is a need to be on guard against the temptation, in the interests of administrative convenience, to confer upon officers of the executive government, including members of the police force, discretionary powers to impose legal obligations upon some citizens or to relieve other citizens of obligations. Appropriate delegation of power to make rules and regulations subject to parliamentary scrutiny is one thing, but it is not the function of the police to make the law, or to decide by whom, and to what extent, the law is to he obeyed.

    Police Accountability And Oversight: An Overview, A.M. Gleeson AC, Chief Justice of the High Court of Australia

    https://www.walk.com.au/wtw/Page.asp?PageID=339

  245. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 9:34 am

  246. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2020 9:38 am

    I find it difficult to believe this is how restrictions are enforced.

    restrictions?

    Ms Buhler insists she did not realise the protest was illegal, given Ballarat’s stage-three restrictions, but is also unrepentant.

    “I had a bit of a bimbo moment and I actually didn’t realise that it wasn’t okay,” she told 3AW on Thursday.

    “I probably wouldn’t change anything to be honest.

    https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/vic/victorian-police-say-arrest-of-pregnant-woman-over-alleged-covid-protest-post-justified-but-looked-terrible-ng-b881656897z

    To be fair, the story should be more about the danger she is putting her unborn baby in. And, compare and contrast with the BLM protesters being pepper sprayed, and the treatment this bimbo got for putting others at risk

    “They have been polite. They have been professional. When the individual indicated she may be late for an appointment at the hospital, our members actually contacted the hospital and made arrangements for an alternative appointment.”

  247. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2020 9:39 am

    Yes Tony.
    I’m not a supporter of the anti maskers, but i find that policing repulsive. And I’m shocked that police consider that to be a proportional response.
    I’ve sent my email to the Police Minister and her political advisor, no doubt there will be lots who have done that. Good.

  248. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2020 9:43 am

    Were BLM protesters pepper sprayed in Victoria?
    This woman was put in handcuffs, and hadn’t even been outside. She offered to take the post down.
    It was heavy handed and disproportionate. But that’s how dumb bullies behave

  249. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 4, 2020 9:50 am

    “I’m still completely flummoxed by the arrest and handcuffing of a pregnant woman in pajamas.”

    It was exceptional police work! Looks like a brilliant sting based on information supplied by Nicola Gobbo. I can’t believe they sent only three squad cars. And at great personal risk they did it without body armour and machine guns. Victorians are so lucky to be protected by these heroes. They are absolutely courageous against small women, especially pregnant women. And everyone understands that in dealing with leftist mobs or gangs of “youths” they need to stand down to avoid escalation.

    Actually, Victorian police have been on the slide since they put that lazy stupid git Christine Nixon in charge. That fat pig preferred food over fighting fires. The police need a good clean-out. Step one is to fire anyone who has ever attended a diversity training course. If you attended one of those and didn’t quit in disgust you are definitely a rotten apple.

  250. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 10:27 am

    Naturally, Tom R says there’s nothing to see here. Labor can do no wrong!

    Equally unsurprisingly, The Victorian Bar, Police Accountability Project, and Liberty Victoria all disagree with him.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/pregnant-ballarat-mum-blames-bimbo-moment-for-lockdown-protest-20200903-p55rz1.html

  251. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2020 10:40 am

    The left’s vociferous opposition to police bullying of a handcuffed pregnant woman in pajamas

  252. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 10:41 am

    Another day, another storm-trooper raid in the Socialist Republic of Victoria. This just happened.

  253. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 10:45 am

  254. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2020 10:50 am

    I’m still completely flummoxed by the arrest and handcuffing of a pregnant woman in pajamas.
    I find it difficult to believe this is how restrictions are enforced.

    Based on what I saw (and read) … I tend to agree that the “operation” was overkill …

    Be interested in any further “developments”.

    I also tend to agree with TR, To be fair, the story should be more about the danger she is putting her unborn baby in.

    I have always objected to children being taken to any protests union to greenpeace to BLM … seeking the empathy vote with kids woks the opposite way in most cases.

  255. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2020 10:54 am

    Another day, another storm-trooper raid in the Socialist Republic of Victoria. This just happened.

    Who is Shadow?

  256. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2020 10:57 am

    “Trouble ‘t mill”

    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/we-need-strong-border-controls-lnp-backs-queensland-closure-20200903-p55s12.html

    Queensland’s LNP has backed the state’s border closures to stop the spread of coronavirus from southern states but New South Wales has warned it might never meet the threshold to ease travel restrictions between the two states.

  257. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2020 10:59 am

    Labor can do no wrong!

    Not sure Labor run the cops tosy. In fact, Labor have been at the end of some very … compromised police actions.

  258. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2020 11:06 am

    This just happened.

    And, you have an issue because …….. ?

  259. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 11:07 am

    Not sure Labor run the cops tosy.

    Not sure you know anything about Responsible Government or Ministerial Accountability.

  260. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2020 11:07 am

    Police always prefer bullying to judgement. That’s how dumb bullies are programmed

  261. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 11:10 am

    And, you have an issue because …….. ?

    SMFH! 🙄

  262. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 11:21 am

  263. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2020 11:25 am

    SMFH

    So, police with search warrants should be locked out, until the suspect deigns to let them in, is that how it works?

    And yet the Unions are called Thugs ffs.

    At least when Unions flaunt the law, it is to save people, not to act like pretentious little twats who are endangering the community at large

  264. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2020 11:27 am

  265. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 11:29 am

  266. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2020 11:37 am

    The left is always selective in it’s outrage over police behavior

  267. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 11:40 am

  268. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2020 11:49 am

    The left is always selective in it’s outrage over police behavior

    https://theguttertrash.com/2020/08/19/you-will-be-vaccinated/#comment-175328

    tosy, try not use sam noman for ‘facts’. they’ll rarely help you out

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/worried-about-coronavirus-daniel-andrews-urges-victorians-to-avoid-black-lives-matter-rally

  269. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 4, 2020 11:51 am

    “The left is always selective in it’s outrage over police behavior”

    To be fair, so have many on the other side.

  270. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 4, 2020 11:57 am

    “Victoria Police don’t think it is feasible to arrest or fine people for breaking COVID-19 rules at the Melbourne event, which more than 17,000 have said online they will attend.”

    Selective policing. Rule of law is dead in Victoria – murdered by Kim Jong Dan.

  271. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2020 11:57 am

    Yes Tom R . It’s difficult to worry about thousands congregating against the law, so provide wise counsel
    But when it comes to a pregnant woman in pajamas… lock her up! Handcuff!! Arrest!
    She hadn’t even been out of the house!
    Go Dan! This is going really well.

  272. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 4, 2020 12:10 pm

    Here is Biden lying as usual:

    He forgot to mention that Trump actually said:

    I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally”

  273. September 4, 2020 12:14 pm

    If only more people listened to what Pete Evans has to say we wouldn’t be in this state…

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  274. September 4, 2020 12:17 pm

    See yaz at the Shroine…..!

  275. September 4, 2020 12:25 pm

    Someone has dumped a whole lot of shit outside Newscorp’s HQ..

    I’m sure the free speech brigade will get right behind this.

    8 coppers looking at a pile of shit out the front of @newscorpaus in Surrey Hills. pic.twitter.com/E0wKsBIOZH— Not a Canberra Bubbler 🌲🌏🌲 (@MSMWatchdog2013) September 4, 2020

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  276. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 12:37 pm

  277. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 12:51 pm

  278. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2020 12:55 pm

    8 coppers looking at a pile of shit out the front of @newscorpaus in Surrey Hills. 

    They’re wasting their time. Wasn’t there a pregnant woman in pajamas to handcuff?

  279. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2020 1:12 pm

    She hadn’t even been out of the house!

    You need to leave the house to break the law?

    If #ZoeBuhler can be arrested and charged over a Facebook post critical of the government

    If what she did was so fine and upstanding, why do they need to lie about it? If you can be ” charged over a Facebook post critical of the government” there wouldn’t be a murdoch employee left on the streets.

    ffs, even sam noman knew when to stop. How stupid are these people?

  280. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 1:13 pm

    Here’s what he actually said when allegedly “inciting” others:

  281. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2020 1:18 pm

    Here’s what he actually said when allegedly “inciting” others:

    Oh, was that “all”?

    Mr Bartolo, who runs a conspiracy website called The Conscious Truth Network,

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/conspiracist-james-bartolo-arrested-over-alleged-incitement-of-melbourne-antilockdown-protests/news-story/278048b159fbd5f84dbeecf0934f21dd

    Facts tosy, they are available 😉

  282. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2020 1:22 pm

    ffs, even sam noman knew when to stop. How stupid are these people?

    Says the guy who vociferously defends a someone convicted of various serious assault charges

  283. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2020 1:24 pm

    Says the guy who vociferously defends a someone convicted of various serious assault charges

    yawn

    “At least when Unions flaunt the law, it is to save people, not to act like pretentious little twats who are endangering the community at large”

  284. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 1:24 pm

    Oh, so he runs a website critical of the government. That makes battering rams and handcuffs okay then? Do you even think before you write this shit?

  285. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 1:29 pm

  286. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 4, 2020 1:38 pm

    “Oh, so he runs a website critical of the government.”

    That’ll teach him. Any criticism of Dear Leader Dan is an act of war against the state!

  287. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2020 2:12 pm

    Oh, so he runs a website critical of the government.

    Facts tosy, you can get ’em right here 😉

    Mr Bartolo runs the organisation The Conscious Truth Network, which is encouraging Victorians in lockdown to deliberately breach COVID-19 public health orders, including by passing lockdown checkpoints illegally and attending mass gatherings.

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/the-bodybuilder-conspiracy-theorist-behind-a-group-pushing-covid19-checkpoint-breaches/news-story/b72355e0b73ed6d176eb92be203fe0c4

  288. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 2:28 pm

    Tom R thinks the use of battering rams, handcuffs, search and seizure warrants, and heavy-handed arrests is a proportionate police response. 🤦‍♂️

  289. ivi permalink
    September 4, 2020 2:39 pm

    (….why do they need to lie about it?….How stupid are these people?

    Indeed; they should at least have the commonsense to aver unverifiably that an unknown person hacked their Irish YouInstaTwitFace account, for anything really iffy, which might interrupt their studies of applied legal professional ethics and/or (un)reasonable (mis)use(s) of (free) speech(-acts).)

  290. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2020 2:42 pm

    Yeah!! It’s entirely understandable that we admire people that have been convicted of assault by kicking, serious assault… over a dozen times

    But a pregnant woman in pajamas and handcuffs, well she’s a huge risk.

  291. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 4, 2020 3:38 pm

    NO JUSTICE – NO PEACE! DEFUND THE VICTORIAN POLICE!

  292. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 3:54 pm

  293. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 4:50 pm

  294. Tony permalink
    September 4, 2020 4:56 pm

  295. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2020 5:40 pm

    lol tosy

  296. ivi permalink
    September 4, 2020 6:12 pm

    (Looks like he has just read The Age

    Could beworse, I guess; TGIF.)

  297. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2020 7:29 pm

    ‘Not some misogynist pig’: Union chief John Setka defends accusations of sexism

    How could anyone think such a thing?

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/not-some-misogynist-pig-union-chief-john-setka-defends-accusations-of-sexism-20200904-p55sie.html

  298. September 5, 2020 9:54 am

    I saw John Setka in a shopping mall a few weeks back. He doesn’t look like a pleasant individual tbh.

  299. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2020 11:15 am

    That’s a surprise! I always comes across as so mellow.

    I heard he has this on continuous loop

  300. September 5, 2020 12:52 pm

    I can see ToSY and YoM…

    Who are the others…

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  301. September 5, 2020 1:27 pm

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  302. Tony permalink
    September 5, 2020 4:54 pm

    Who are the others…

    Herr Andrews’s storm troopers.

  303. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2020 6:16 pm

    I think you’ll find a coalition of misfits, anarchists, libertarians and greens among anti maskers and anti vaxers.

  304. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 5, 2020 8:36 pm

    I went shopping today in Sydney. Lots of people around. Lots of traffic on the road. Things look normal except for people wearing masks and hand sanitisers when you enter a shop

  305. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2020 9:20 pm

    Thank Neil. It really cheers us up, here in Melbourne, knowing that the rest of Australia is out enjoying themselves.

    Here’s my tip for tomorrow’s changes in restrictions-
    * 72 minutes of fresh air per day, PLUS an addition 30 minutes on your birthday
    * I’m not visiting my father on father’s day
    * Christmas Day will be celebrated once the 7 day average is less that 0
    * “stay the course ”
    * “no game of golf is worth a human life ”
    * handcuffs will not be used on pregnant women in pajamas, in most cases, probably not. I’m advised.

  306. September 6, 2020 8:43 am

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  307. Tony permalink
    September 6, 2020 10:28 am

    Must be some kind of RWNJ organisation:

    …The use of the charge of ‘incitement’ against people organising or proposing any protest events as well as house raids and confiscations needs to be broadly condemned no matter where we stand.

    The charge of Incitement is a repressive tool that could easily be used preemptively against any protest organisers where police think a crime ‘might’ be committed. That’s a huge concern.

    We believe that this sort of policing as well as the over-emphasis on police-led and punitive responses to COVID-19 have increased the perception of unfairness in Victoria, and have also increased the likelihood of a backlash and misplaced resistance. The Victorian Government and Victoria Police should take some responsibility for this. Overly punitive approaches to previous health pandemics (such as SARS, Ebola, HIV/Aids) have previously led to distrust in public health authorities, and have undermined the observance of important public health measures. Add the huge amount of baseless conspiracy misinformation on the Internet that feeds upon both rational and irrational fears, and it’s no surprise people want to protest the lockdown.

    Do we think that there should be protests during a lockdown?

    Yes. If we can expect some commercial activity to continue safely, we can expect the same of protest events. Protests should be considered an essential service to any healthy democracy.

    Protests that are organised safely should be given the same sort of consideration and allowances as business and commercial activities.

    We continue to call upon the Victorian government and health authorities to recognise and make clearly defined allowances for protest activity that is organised with COVID-safe practices under all future CHO State of Emergency directions.

    The carefully organised protests by the Victorian Refugee Action Collective (RAC) and the Black Lives Matter protests organised by the Warriors of the Aboriginal Resistance (WAR) and other groups in early June remain superb examples of how this is entirely feasible.

    Finally, protests, even those we don’t agree with, should be able to proceed without pre-emptive charges, house raids, excessive and unlawful police violence, use of police weapons or other forms of human rights abuses.

    https://melbactivistlegal.org.au/2020/09/03/where-does-mals-sit-with-all-these-anti-lockdown-protests/

  308. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 6, 2020 11:49 am

    That’s a typical opinion from an organisation advocating the standard left/green/RWNJ/human rights agenda.

  309. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 6, 2020 12:43 pm

    Dan just announced the way forward and the summary is-

    WE’RE F***ED

  310. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 6, 2020 2:20 pm

    I must admit i would not like to be in govt right now. No matter what you do somebody will criticize. I guess the problem is if the virus is as bad as some people think and say 5,000 people die the blood will be on the head of the politician who relaxes restrictions.

  311. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 6, 2020 4:02 pm

    I think Tom R and TB will be along shortly to tell us that this is all the fault of Murdoch or Abbott or Morrison or anyine except the Victorian government

  312. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 6, 2020 4:11 pm

    ToM

    What would you do if you were Andrews? Govt is a tough job. Perhaps Andrews has information we don’t have access to which makes him do his policies????

  313. Tony permalink
    September 6, 2020 5:32 pm

    Perhaps Andrews has information we don’t have access to which makes him do his policies????

    Not really Neil. He’s got a few mediocre health bureaucrats advising him. Whereas 500 actual practicing doctors signed this letter:

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/victorian-doctors-pen-desperate-letter-to-dan-andrews-about-controversial-state-of-emergency-bill/news-story/477352005ec852b6dd4b0e8f31f97441

  314. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 6, 2020 5:43 pm

    Any competent manager knows that you don’t send untrained , inexperienced people into a contagious and hazardous environment. But the Andrews Government did just that.
    And they knew it was contagious and hazardous, because Andrews had continuously told us that.
    So i resentfully comply with the restrictions because it is what we have to do.
    But people should understand that Victoria is in this debacle because of the decisions and actions of the incompetent state government.

  315. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 6, 2020 6:23 pm

    Like i said. I am glad i am not a politician in govt. I think if i was in power i would just role over and surrender. So many conflicting opinions and some people say this and some people say that.

    But here in Sydney where i live things seem normal. Traffic everywhere, Supermarkets full of people, most shops open. But lots of people wearing masks and hand sanitisers at most shops.

    I am hoping to pick up lots of things at half price because people hordered so much stuff.

  316. ivi permalink
    September 6, 2020 6:42 pm

    (Pre/post-Jim’s Mowing’s lawn (dis)order:

    [R]estrictions upon basic freedoms such as movement and gatherings are sometimes necessary and can be entirely ‘lawful’. As human rights advocates, activists, and lawyers, we also understand–as Amnesty International Australia and Victoria’s Human Rights Commission have pointed out–the temporary and proportional limitation of rights for clear public health purposes is permissible on human rights grounds, similar to compulsory seatbelts or cordons being placed around a burning building……..MALS recognises that this COVID-19 pandemic is a real and serious threat to public health and the health system’s ability to cope, and without these measures, we would be facing a far-higher death rate than we have so far. MALS is not against the public health restrictions, but we do want them applied fairly, proportionately, and only for as long as absolutely necessary….Protests that are organised safely should be given the same sort of consideration and allowances as business and commercial activities….We know there’s a lot of anti-lockdown protest activity going on and we are seeing a growing anti-lockdown narrative online and within our own social media feeds….To compare living with public health restrictions as akin to the life-threatening reality of authoritarian or dictatorial governments is also inaccurate and naive. Many MALS members and activists we routinely work with, have lived inside or have worked in actual dictatorships. Victoria is not one….We have noticed the surge in so-called ‘sovereign citizen’ stances and challenges to public health restrictions—often trying to use very far-fetched and incorrect understandings of the law….Add the huge amount of baseless conspiracy misinformation on the Internet that feeds upon both rational and irrational fears, and it’s no surprise people want to protest the lockdown….The use of the charge of ‘incitement’ against people organising or proposing any protest events as well as house raids and confiscations needs to be broadly condemned no matter where we stand. The charge of Incitement is a repressive tool that could easily be used preemptively against any protest organisers where police think a crime ‘might’ be committed. That’s a huge concern….protests, even those we don’t agree with, should be able to proceed without pre-emptive charges, house raids, excessive and unlawful police violence, use of police weapons or other forms of human rights abuses….We believe that this sort of policing as well as the over-emphasis on police-led and punitive responses to COVID-19 have increased the perception of unfairness in Victoria, and have also increased the likelihood of a backlash and misplaced resistance. The Victorian Government and Victoria Police should take some responsibility for this.)

  317. TB Queensland permalink
    September 6, 2020 7:03 pm

    I always comes across as so mellow.</I.

    hahahahahahahaha!

    I think Tom R and TB will be along shortly to tell us that this is all the fault of Murdoch or Abbott or Morrison or anyine except the Victorian government

    Nup … its the fault of Mexicans like you who can’t follow simple rules … suck it up princess! Is amazing what happens if you do!

  318. ivi permalink
    September 6, 2020 9:14 pm

    (Whereas 500 actual practicing doctors signed this letter:

    Good to know.)

  319. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 6, 2020 10:19 pm

    Here we have a government that said the virus was so deadly and contagious that-
    * golf was dangerous
    * fishing in the open air was too risky
    * sitting on the beach could kill people
    …but while they were saying all that, they sent untrained people to work in a dangerously infectious workplace .
    Now other states (the ones that allowed all those deadly golfing, fishing and leisure activities) are recovering and getting on with life.
    But Victoria continues to be locked up

  320. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2020 8:39 am

    Whereas 500 actual practicing doctors signed this letter

    500? The article mentions 13? Did you round by Q or something?

    I see scotties building a cubby house he already built back in June? It’s kind of a visual for his emergency measures isn’t it. All announcement, no action.

  321. ivi permalink
    September 7, 2020 9:16 am

    (It’s kind of a visual for his emergency measures isn’t it.

    Not really?)

  322. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2020 9:43 am

    really ivi, from all news, that mother, who has now had her child, is still living in a van

    He’s just not real good at following through with his announcements.

    Which, as we speak, I hear we a vaccine deal .. again? Wonder if this one is all bullshit too?

  323. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 7, 2020 10:28 am

    Antifa moron sets self on fire with mostly peaceful molotv cocktail. Shame the cunt didn’t die but at least he was good for a laugh!

  324. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2020 11:00 am

    3 years later, and the lolstrayan still spouts bullshit about it (just like some slow witted posters do too)

  325. Tony permalink
    September 7, 2020 11:27 am

    500? The article mentions 13? Did you round by Q or something?

    Mr Wells is one of over 500 doctors in Victoria who have signed a letter to Premier Daniel Andrews concerning the controversial State of Emergency bill which he recently pushed through parliament with crossbench support.

    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6188159219001

  326. Tony permalink
    September 7, 2020 11:46 am

    Go Victoria. Winning!

  327. Tony permalink
    September 7, 2020 11:49 am

  328. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2020 11:59 am

    yea tosy, I reckon sky news is using your multiplier

    I counted them here.

    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2020/09/a-doctors-open-letter-to-daniel-andrews/

  329. Tony permalink
    September 7, 2020 12:08 pm

    yea tosy, I reckon sky news is using your multiplier

    FMD! 🙄 Hear it from Dr Wells himself then:

    https://m.facebook.com/CraigKellyMP/videos/367399754428789/?vh=e&extid=iqcZHELMpx7zzYE0&d=t

  330. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2020 12:24 pm

    So is Emma Alberici arguing that tax be paid on revenue or profit?
    Does she know much about aircraft acquisition, operations and maintenance costs?

  331. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2020 12:32 pm

    So is Emma Alberici arguing that tax be paid on revenue or profit?

    [facepalm]

  332. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 7, 2020 12:42 pm

    “Journalists who should have known better continue to say I confused profit and income because I had the temerity to point out that over 10yrs Qantas brought in income of $100 billion but managed (legally) to reduce taxable income to zero. That is an undisputed fact.”

    Its not temerity she has so much as sheer stupidity. And by making the above statement, the dunce shows she still hasn’t learned the difference. If she did actually know the difference then it makes her statement dishonest. It may be an “undisputed fact” but it is irrelevant to knowing whether or not .

    To discuss the reasonableness of the amount of tax payable you need to first identify the taxable income, not gross income. If her point was that deductions were too high then she should say why. It looks like she was trying to conflate gross income with taxable income (which is the tax system’s version of profit).

    For example NBN Co has over a billion dollars a year of income but pays no tax because its deductions exceed its income.

    A more intelligent approach would be to compare accounting profit with taxable income. If there is a large difference then there still may be a sensible reason for it (such as carry forward losses or accelerated depreciation). If not then you should try to work out if there are any shenanigans going on.

    Screechy’s statement does not give enough information to draw a conclusion about Qantas’ tax affairs. She just wanted to make Qantas look bad. Gaslighting pure and simple. So typical of ABC yellow journalism.

  333. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 7, 2020 12:44 pm

    ….knowing whether or not it is unreasonable for Qantas to pay no tax in the relevant years.

  334. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2020 12:51 pm

    She just wanted to make Qantas look bad. Gaslighting pure and simple. So typical of ABC yellow journalism.

    Exactly. It’s a left agenda, they hate Qantas because Joyce figured out how to push back on one or 2 of the unions

  335. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2020 1:07 pm

    It looks like she was trying to conflate gross income with taxable income

    No, she is highlighting that “taxable income” is a variable that is gamed by bigger companies, who can bring that value down to zero if they game the system correctly, and since that has been brought down to zero already, the only other simple number available is gross income

    You want to ignore the conversation altogether by claiming, incorrectly, that she doesn’t understand it. Your problem is that she understands it all too well, as does a growing number of plebs who are paying higher and higher rates of taxes from a diminishing income themselves

  336. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 7, 2020 1:24 pm

    “No, she is highlighting that “taxable income” is a variable that is gamed by bigger companies, who can bring that value down to zero if they game the system correctly, “

    So how did NBN Co game the system?

  337. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 7, 2020 1:30 pm

    “You want to ignore the conversation altogether “

    I don’t want to ignore it. I told you how to have a sensible conversation about this – compare accounting profit and tax income. If they are significantly different and you can’t rule out the innocent explanations then you might be on to something. If Screechy actually had a brain she might have done this.

    Also she wouldn’t have been whining about listed trusts not paying tax. Even one lousy brain cell might have led her to the realisation that it is the unit holders, not the trust that is liable for the tax.

  338. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2020 1:56 pm

    And how did Qantas “game the system”?
    * cyclical airline industry
    * price and demand pressure with Virgin
    * set up and support of Jetsrar
    * unprofitable international routes
    * purchase of a new generation of aircraft

    Just explain what the “gaming” is in that.

  339. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2020 3:11 pm

    So how did NBN Co game the system?

    They rebuilt the system so that no matter what they do, they could never even operate at a profit. They don’t need to game it, they are now a loss making company, thanks malcum

    If Screechy actually had a brain she might have done this.

    already been done
    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/qantas-46-billion-zero-tax-neat-timing-caper/

  340. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2020 3:21 pm

    But Alberici think companies like Qantas should pay tax, regardless of their profitability. Do you agree?
    Should nbn?

  341. Tony permalink
    September 7, 2020 3:28 pm

    What the fuck is this Michael West person on about? That article makes no sense. Qantas booked a taxable profit but paid no tax – because it had accumulated losses to carry over from previous years. So fucking what? Is he saying Qantas did something wrong? If that’s what he’s saying he shouldn’t be writing about business or tax – because on those matters he’s completely illiterate.

  342. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2020 3:34 pm

    yomm, try to keep up.

    tosy, see the bits about “Adjusted for Temporary Differences” and “revenue received in advance” tosy

    No, he’s not saying the did something ‘wrong’, as in, it’s all perfectly legal

    AND THAT’S THE PROBLEM!

    (It sure aint ‘moral’ though, except if it’s just about shareholders, and not the country you are skiving off)

  343. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2020 3:36 pm

    So it’s ok for ABC reporters to campaign about tax policy, and other political issues? Or only the ones you like?

  344. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 7, 2020 3:38 pm

    “already been done”

    Yeah. But not by Screechy – she’s too dumb.

    Also I note the following point in west’s article:

    “In any case, Qantas is not at the top of our Big Tax List because tax losses are a reasonable excuse for not paying tax.”

  345. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2020 3:44 pm

    Yes… an Australian company is-
    * fending off a fierce overseas owned competitor
    * establishing a subsidiary to compete, as well as provide a different range of services and prices
    * under attack from unions, who do not make high cost claims on the overseas competitor
    * renewing it’s fleet to be less carbon intensive and cost effective in the longer term
    …and it therefore isn’t profitable for a few years.

    So… what’s the reaction of the ABC and left??

    It’s a tax dodger!!

  346. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2020 3:45 pm

    So it’s ok for ABC reporters to campaign about tax policy

    It’s kind of their job description to examine policies, I mean, they are journalists.

    If you call presenting what is an obviously unfair system as …. unfair, perhaps that’s the systems issue, not the journalists

  347. Tony permalink
    September 7, 2020 5:23 pm

    (It sure aint ‘moral’ though

    Oh, we’re back to that ridiculous ‘argument’ again. Just as well we have the rule of law, and not rule by what some group or other thinks is ‘moral’, or rule by the whim of a king or dictator. Except in Victoria of course.😳

  348. TB Queensland permalink
    September 7, 2020 6:05 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/coronavirus-australia-gloves-off-as-scott-morrison-slams-premier-daniel-andrews-on-road-map/news-story/844c06e5c49168f7f9e3c3fc1c717db5

    If this isn’t POLITICAL BLACKMAIL I don’t know what is … NSW is the fucking “gold standard” … try Queensland, oh wait, it too has a Labor Premier (and the LNP opposition leader has endorsed hard borders BTW!)

    Shouldn’t the Federal Government be offering assistance with testing and anything else? Just what has Sooty and the Puppet Bear Club actually done to curb this pandemic that is POSITIVE (giving away money and confusion does not count) … all the Feds want to do is roast Dan Andrews – for political gain … absolutely disgusting behaviour for any Australian … as for NSW … the Ruby Princess seems to be a ghost ship these days … both the NSW Health Dept and BORDER FORCE and Potato Head, fucked up mightily! Shhhhh …

    As far as I’m concerned each and EVERY State Premier has shown more compassion, reasoning, fortitude, determination, communication and management skills than anyone on the Federal Government Rabble’s LNP front bench …

    And I also recognise the “sacrifice” that 90% of Victorians who have made a concerted effort to join the rest of Oz … We Are One … the 10% always have the choice …

  349. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2020 6:21 pm

    Just as well we have the rule of law,

    And that is the crux. The laws need to change, because they’ve been changed too much to favour the businesses

    NSW is the fucking “gold standard”

    potatoehead and his goons were busy blaming everything on NSW a few months ago. Now they’ve got Andrews to blame it all on.

    It’s almost like there’s a pattern here?

  350. Tony permalink
    September 7, 2020 6:30 pm

    That’s fine. You can disagree with laws all you want, but how can anybody – particularly that Michael West fuckwit – condemn people or companies for following them?

  351. TB Queensland permalink
    September 7, 2020 6:40 pm

    And I despair at the lack of grammar and spelling skills of Australian journalists …

    Tennis commentators have even poked fun at the site of the woman collapsing after being hit in the neck.

  352. Tony permalink
    September 7, 2020 6:50 pm

  353. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2020 8:19 pm

    condemn people or companies for following them?

    Yea, “is more what you’d call guidelines”than actual rules”, right 😉

    He said Qantas had fully complied with the spirit of JobKeeper, and that there was no way to pay back the $267 million it received from the scheme in the 2020 financial year.

    https://www.afr.com/companies/transport/qantas-fires-back-at-twu-over-alternative-facts-20200907-p55t8r

  354. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2020 8:29 pm

    As you say TB- suck it up princess

  355. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2020 8:43 pm

    And I despair at the lack of grammar and spelling skills of Australian journalist

    Maybe the ground had a funny looking shape left in it?

  356. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2020 8:47 pm

  357. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2020 9:25 pm

    Yeah! Andrews has a great track record in dealing with covid 19

  358. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2020 9:27 pm

    Yeah! Andrews has a great track record in dealing with covid 19

    At least it’s nowhere near as bad as the aged care sectors record

  359. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 7, 2020 9:47 pm

    Have you noticed anyone arguing that aged care has been well handled by the federal government?
    But Victoria is a health and economic basket case, because the Andrews Government was negligent in their oversight of hotel isolation . And there are plenty about that are trying to find excuses for them.

  360. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2020 10:24 pm

    Have you noticed anyone arguing that aged care has been well handled by the federal government?

    According to our pm, aged care is a state responsibility when the shit hits the fan

  361. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 6:53 am

    At least it’s nowhere near as bad as the aged care sectors record

    Almost all Covid cases and deaths in aged care occurred in Victoria. You were saying?

    https://www.health.gov.au/resources/covid-19-cases-in-aged-care-services-residential-care

  362. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2020 8:16 am

    You were saying?

    That the Federal Government is responsible for aged care. You remember when the pm had to go running to the Premier asking for nurses to look after the people he cut resources to, and who he failed to adequately prepare for what they by then knew was coming.

  363. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2020 8:32 am

    No Remorse!

    Another shriveled husk crawls out to try and rewrite their vile history

  364. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 8:39 am

    That the Federal Government is responsible for aged care.

    Yes, but all other states and territories have been okay. The feds run them too, don’t they? The difference is Victoria bungled hotel quarantine, community transmission exploded, and all cases – including those in aged care – skyrocketed. How else do you explain the fact that almost every aged care case happened in Victoria?

  365. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 8:50 am

  366. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 8:54 am

  367. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 8:55 am

  368. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 9:06 am

    At least they didn’t get the door knock in the middle of the night.

  369. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2020 9:09 am

    Yes, but all other states and territories have been okay

    yea, right 😉

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-23/four-corners-newmarch-house-coronavirus-australia/12345726?nw=0

    ‘It doesn’t matter what race, what religion, what nationality you are from. Cricket is a game for everyone,

    Yea, like them pussies that wouldn’t play in South Africa, hey?

  370. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2020 9:15 am

  371. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 9:40 am

    yea, right 😉

    Correct. ICYMI:

    Total aged care cases:
    Victoria: 1,189
    NSW: 61
    Qld: 1
    Tas:1
    Other states and territories: nil

    https://www.health.gov.au/resources/covid-19-cases-in-aged-care-services-residential-care

  372. Walrus permalink
    September 8, 2020 9:46 am

    “New South Wales isn’t the gold standard. New South Wales is lucky.”

    What a stupid fucking retard he is. That fuckwit was advocating a nationwide hard lockdown from the beginning. What a monumental Fuckwit he is. Imagine the fucking economic mess we would have been in.

    The facts are NSW 14 area health precincts has resulted in each area taking “ownership” of each outbreak.

    NSW has even had to lend Victoria contact tracing personnel because they were good at it

    Swan is a bigger fuckwit than his namesake that used to be treasurer.

    Why the fuck does the ABC ned a doctor on the payroll especially a fuckwit like him ?

  373. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 9:53 am

    New South Wales is lucky.

    Yes. Lucky Daniel Andrews is not ‘running’ the show.

  374. Walrus permalink
    September 8, 2020 9:58 am

    LOL

    Yeah or we’d be in lockdown.

    When he is told his targets would have NSW in lockdown right now he keeps telling everyone that Victoria is different but wont say why it is different

  375. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 9:59 am

    Oh yeah. Slippery Andrews came up with the ridiculous term “mystery cases” to try to brush over the fact his contract tracers couldn’t work out the source.

  376. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 10:03 am

    Victoria’s High-tech contract tracing method consists of a phone call, then, if nobody answers, someone drives round and knocks on the door (the wrong door in a large number of cases)

  377. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 10:06 am

  378. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2020 10:09 am

    We all know Contact Tracing in Victoria has failed

    Wasn’t there an app for that, some sort of sunscreen thingy we were told made us invincible?

    Who was telling us that again?

  379. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 10:20 am

    Wasn’t there an app for that

    Yeah, the app’s useless. Somehow NSW has managed to be the gold standard lucky anyway.

  380. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2020 10:29 am

    Considering they made the same mistakes as Victoria, then yes.

  381. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 10:37 am

    Considering they made the same mistakes as Victoria

    Guffaw!

  382. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 12:00 pm

    Andrews just announced he’s sending some people to Sydney to learn how NSW is doing contact tracing. No doubt they’ll discover NSW has just been lucky.😂🤣

  383. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2020 2:42 pm

    It was a Republican, Dwight Eisenhower, who warned about the dangers of the Military Industrial Complex, and expanded version of which is today called The Swamp. Unlike all his predecessors Trump has not started any wars and is willing to stand up to military hawks. Unsurprisingly former generals who were and are major beneficiaries of said complex are lining up against Trump.

    Sadly it seems that it is too much to expect Trump haters to consider even for a moment whether Trump might on some occasions get things right.

    Here is Eisenhower on the problem Trump is trying to address:

  384. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 3:21 pm

  385. September 8, 2020 3:26 pm

    “We have turned one of the greatest cities in the world to a dystopian hellscape with no end in sight.”

    Whoever wrote that’s obviously never been to Queensland.

  386. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 3:26 pm

    Luck.

  387. September 8, 2020 3:27 pm

    I’m not sure at what point “should we listen to experts” became a “left vs right” thing, but it’s been an interesting development.

  388. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2020 3:44 pm

    Which were the “experts” that advised the state government to send untrained, inexperienced people into a contagious and hazardous workplace?

  389. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 4:13 pm

    As a proud Melbournian, I found this a bit hard to watch.

  390. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 4:31 pm

  391. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 4:39 pm

  392. Walrus permalink
    September 8, 2020 6:02 pm

    Just back from a lovely lunch just down the road at the Newport Arms. Unusually the outdoor area was open today as usually only open Fridays and weekends. A couple of beers in the beer garden in the spring sun with dogs tied up with water in the shade nearby.

    Then a nice bottle of shiraz with a mate whilst Mrs Walrus and his partner enjoyed some bubbles followed by a NZ sauv/blanc.

    Lovely seafood platter for lunch. Quite a few people about enjoying themselves.

    Went for a stroll along the beach to finish up then caught a dog friendly Uber home

    What a lovely day it was

    I’m just glad Dan is not in charge here

  393. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2020 6:07 pm

    Whoever wrote that’s obviously never been to Queensland.

    I know what you’re doing … you haven’t been for some time would guess …

  394. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2020 6:12 pm

    I’m just glad Dan is not in charge here

    Complacency is the killer … Vic reducing – NSW climbing …

    In Queensland we are a bit more careful …

    Trip to Uncle Dan’s today (Murphy’s not Andrews) … park car, hand cleaner, mask, shop, spray in car and mask (’tis washable) Glen 20, hand cleaner – home …

  395. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2020 6:19 pm

    Trump has not started any wars

    That’s true but he has put US AND Australian military personnel at risk …

    And his rhetoric may just cause a war …

    BTW you need to actually comprehend what Eisenhower said …

    History records the late entry of the USA into both world wars …

    And for the record the wars we have been involved in are either for profit and/or religious ideology …

    It is also true that soldiers (rarely) want war … but will follow orders from the political (stuck for a nice word) … ask the 6000 Australian Veterans now living on our streets!

  396. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2020 6:28 pm

    Tony permalink
    September 8, 2020 8:50 am

    They stand for the Red Ensign? Flown by ships and boats? Ignorance is bliss.

  397. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2020 6:32 pm

    At least they didn’t get the door knock in the middle of the night.

    If you check the story (rather a tweet) Bill Birtles did late at night … not sure about Michael Smith …

  398. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2020 6:58 pm

    Victoria is f***ed.
    We’re lucky that other states haven’t yet figured out that they will be carrying us for years.
    Thanks Dan

  399. Tony permalink
    September 9, 2020 6:40 am

    Those martial law restrictions enacted by Jaruzelski in 1981 are oddly similar to those Victorians are living with under Daniel Andrews’s rule four decades on. There was a 10pm curfew with police patrols enforcing zero tolerance. Borders were closed. Movement between cities and regions was prohibited unless you carried a special permit. Classes in schools and universities were suspended. Telephone communications were monitored. Opposition activists were arrested, many without charge. The police (called the Militia) became an arm of the government.

  400. Tony permalink
    September 9, 2020 6:53 am

  401. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2020 8:10 am

    was offered the same Covid tracing technology

    What, they got a newer white board?

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/critics-of-victoria-s-contact-tracing-system-misunderstand-some-key-facts-20200908-p55tju.html

  402. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2020 8:13 am

    The mood music makes it 🙂

  403. Tony permalink
    September 9, 2020 8:33 am

    What, they got a newer white board?

    Dunno. I’m sure Andrews’s mission will find out though.

    Mr Andrews, also said a team of experts that have been active in Victoria will be sent to Sydney soon to “double and triple check” how each of the state’s are responding to outbreaks and contract tracing.

    https://www.heraldsun.com.au/coronavirus/extended-lockdown-to-cost-a-quarter-of-a-million-jobs/news-story/5b7f990ba089a602a1f4a3b7d9cea31b

  404. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2020 8:33 am

    FMD! So we’re in lockdown with a curfew like f***ing 10 year olds because it’s convenient for the police!!

    Since when do we govern society on the basis of making the job of those f***ing stupid fat lazy bullies easier!

    So much for Dan’s bullshit about ‘the best scientific and medical advice”

    What a fuckwit.

  405. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2020 8:38 am

    I’m sure Andrews’s mission will find out though.

    It does make you wonder why all of sudden morrison started calling it ‘Gold Standard’ doesn’t it. Almost as if he knew what was about to happen … 😉

    So much for Dan’s bullshit about ‘the best scientific and medical advice”

    Could be because it still is the best available. Not like this imaginary 500 drs we have never seen or heard from. Imagine if the State didn’t have to bankroll getting the Feds outta the shit? They have already had their health budget slashed by the libs, and now, they need to spread them to cover the Feds own jurisdiction.

  406. Tony permalink
    September 9, 2020 8:43 am

    Almost as if he knew what was about to happen … 😉

    Or, more likely, Andrews was shamed into conceding Victoria’s contract tracing isn’t fit for purpose.

  407. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2020 9:02 am

    Andrews was shamed into conceding Victoria’s contract tracing isn’t fit for purpose.

    Finding out what others are doing is always important. Not fit for purpose is perhaps taking it a bit far, especially if we find out it it is in fact quite good, and all the ‘rumours’ turn out to be as accurate as the rooting security guards and the lie that the AFP were ever even offered to the Vics.

    Seems interesting that, once those were all exposed as lies, they’ve moved on to health professionals to blame again, as they once blamed the Gold Standard professionals back when duttons mob let the bloody virus in in the first place.

    One thing is consistent though, the blame is always elsewhere.

  408. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2020 9:10 am

    I present the role models for the brave Victorian police:

    Actually the violent bullying probably stems from the fact that in both cases the thugs serve incompetent communist masters!

  409. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2020 9:17 am

    Actually the violent bullying probably stems from the fact that in both cases the thugs serve incompetent communist masters!

    Commies are right next to fascists remember

  410. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2020 9:21 am

    WTF??? Leftist cuntrag the Guardian journalists to testify against Assange!!! Surely anyone interested in press freedom would be supporting Assange, especially news organisations.

  411. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2020 9:29 am

    Tom R, that is what happens when the authorities fail to keep thugs off the streets. If the Democrat mayors and governors won’t keep law and order then there will be vigilantes in the streets and even more violence.

  412. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2020 9:32 am

    This is really interesting:

  413. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2020 9:33 am

    Tom R, that is what happens when the authorities fail to keep thugs off the streets.

    We talking about China, Victoria, or the States here? 😉

  414. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2020 9:46 am

    Tom R, when there are BLM/Antifa rioters attacking peoples homes, attacking them when they are out in restaurants (on the instructions of Democrats), do you really think people will not try to defend themselves? In Democrat run cities the police certainly won’t keep order. There have been over a hundred nights of violence in Portland while the police look on.

  415. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2020 9:53 am

    There have been over a hundred nights of violence in Portland while the police look on.

    Most of what I have seen in the form of violence is from trumps fascists, so, not sure what your argument is?

  416. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2020 10:00 am

    Has anyone noticed that the schools being closed are overwhelmingly private?

  417. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2020 10:04 am

    FMD .,..

    Exactly what I predicted yesterday! Over-reaching … decision making without any facts – just how businesses go broke …

    Now, how can we twist this, to blame Dan the Man?

    https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/shock-setback-in-vaccine-australia-bought/news-story/1a5ed8bef2d58f840b71da8a135ac814

  418. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2020 10:16 am

    “Most of what I have seen in the form of violence is from trumps fascists, so, not sure what your argument is?”

    So you are saying that the rioters on the streets of Portland every night are Trump supporters? Its been over a hundred nights. Their goal is to kill and maim as many police as possible and you think they are Trump supporters?

  419. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2020 10:47 am

    So you are saying that the rioters on the streets of Portland every night are Trump supporters

    Reading Comprehension splats, maybe do an online course or something 😉

    decision making without any facts

    To be fair TB, we do need to be planning for a vaccine, and all trials will have set backs. Having said that, saying shit like ‘we have a deal’ when we don’t have a fucking deal is just typical of the bullshit we expect from this mob

  420. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2020 11:06 am

    Yep, those nasty commies. Or was it fascists, it’s so hard to tell these days

    Australia’s domestic intelligence agency has refused to confirm or deny reports in Chinese state media that agents questioned Chinese journalists and searched their property in late June.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2020/sep/09/coronavirus-australia-latest-update-victoria-nsw-contact-tracing-hotel-inquiry-health-business-economy-scott-morrison-daniel-andrews?page=with:block-5f5827eb8f087b90a29903e9#block-5f5827eb8f087b90a29903e9

  421. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2020 11:51 am

    “Most of what I have seen in the form of violence is from trumps fascists, so, not sure what your argument is?”

    Yes that is sooooo obvious and to top it off its being supported by Kamala Harris supporting getting those Trump supporters out on bail…………….

    It’s logical

  422. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2020 12:03 pm

    Former ALP Minister Stephen Conroy on Victorian Chief Medical Officer Brett Sutton

    “He needs to stop doing media appearances and start reading files on his desk and he really does deserve to have an absolute caning behind the scenes for his loose talk,”

    “ If I had been in the room when my chief medical officer had stood up and said ‘oh no we didn’t really do the modelling out six weeks, it was a bit of guess work’, I mean this bloke needs more than a media advisor to help him at the moment, he is star-struck, loving the media spotlight.

    “Well mate, get on and do your job, read your files and start getting to the nitty-gritty of the issues you’ve been supervising.”

  423. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2020 12:37 pm

    I’d just like to know the medical qualifications of the commissioner of police.
    Because if he isn’t an expert in medicine or science, Dan’s been bullshitting us.
    How surprising.

  424. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2020 12:55 pm

    “Most of what I have seen in the form of violence is from trumps fascists, so, not sure what your argument is?”

    Looks like selective blindness then.

  425. Tony permalink
    September 9, 2020 1:47 pm

  426. Tony permalink
    September 9, 2020 1:49 pm

  427. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2020 1:57 pm

    but some very smart doctors have.

    Says the stupidest man around.

    hmm Tony Blakely you say? plus the “COVID doctors network”, who remain unsearchable, yet with apparent(?) rising numbers?

    Tony Blakely, University of Melbourne professor of epidemiology:

    “If we do our contact tracing better than we did three months ago, the contact tracers may be able to hold the case count without it going up again as badly as our model suggests.

    “I’m sick of lockdown, I want to get out of it too, but unfortunately if you come out of lockdown too early, too fast, the chance of the third wave by Christmas is pretty high – about 60 per cent.

    “There are ways we can beat the model. We can do better.”>/i>

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/epidemiologists-react-to-victoria-s-road-map-out-of-stage-four-lockdown-20200907-p55tam.html

  428. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2020 2:03 pm

    Nasty, bad commists!

  429. Tony permalink
    September 9, 2020 2:24 pm

    plus the “COVID doctors network”, who remain unsearchable, yet with apparent(?) rising numbers?

    Yes, and expect the numbers to keep rising as more and more doctors ask where they can sign on. Chairman Dan listens to his little cadre of mediocre health bureaucrats but ignores everyone else. What a myopic fuckwit he is.

  430. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2020 3:03 pm

    Yes, and expect the numbers to keep rising as more and more random numbers are added to the tally 😉

    Sorry, but I’ll keep questioning this until I see a link, not vapid claims, which these days turn out to be bullshit in the light of day.

    All I’ve seen is a letter with a dozen names. If Karens were Doctors….

  431. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2020 3:08 pm

  432. Tony permalink
    September 9, 2020 3:43 pm

  433. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2020 3:49 pm

    How fucking deluded is this bloke ?

    Dan Andrew’s fuck up will cost the Australian Taxpayer billions in welfare into the future and this stupid cunt thinks the rest of Australia should be grateful ?

  434. Tony permalink
    September 9, 2020 3:55 pm

  435. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2020 4:36 pm

    Our medical and scientific expert. The curfew is at the absolute cutting edge of scientific knowledge and political integrity

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTVbwf89zHgfBvkyolBH3nUR6Y3gMIBcievHQ&usqp=CAU

  436. September 9, 2020 5:22 pm

    I see there’s been another shark attack.

    Can’t Dan Andrews get anything right?

  437. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2020 6:34 pm

    Can’t Dan Andrews get anything right?

    Nah! reb, this is Anna’s fault … they think they sorted out Desperate Dan and now they’re trying to lob rocks at Anna P and Qld’s hard borders … NSW pollies led by Gladys playing from the National LNP Party Play Pallet … the right wing politics in this shit is so bleeding obvious its become tedious … they would make a priest denounce god if it kept them in power …

    Currently reading, George R.R. Martin’s – “Fire & Blood” – all we need is the Iron Throne and a dragon or two …

    Profit over People …

    Let’s build a WALL!

  438. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2020 6:38 pm

    Wait for the howling …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/09/new-laws-in-queensland-mean-priests-no-longer-protected-by-seal-of-confession

    All I can say is YES! YES! and about fucking time!

  439. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2020 6:45 pm

    Fed up with living under one of the toughest coronavirus curfews in the world, Victorians are among an army of 62,000 people who have fled to COVID-free Darwin since the borders reopened in July.

    The NOW generation … will soon be the DEATH of us all … is it a race between Covid and Xiping?

    Love to see the history in 50* years …

  440. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2020 10:17 pm

    Dishonest as well as incompetent and negligent

    Premier Daniel Andrews is facing calls to lift Melbourne’s controversial COVID-19 curfew after confirming the decision to impose a night-time stay-at-home direction was introduced only to make it easier for police to enforce the general lockdown.

    Mr Andrews confirmed earlier comments from the state’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton that the curfew decision was not based on his advice, nor that of health officials.

  441. Tony permalink
    September 10, 2020 7:58 am

    Victorian Premier Daniel And­rews’s claim that “one or two” coronavirus-positive people “on any given day” have refused to be interviewed by contact tracers has been shown to be false, after his health department released data showing no one has refused an interview in the past month.

    Mr Andrews made the claim on Sunday, while under pressure to explain contact tracing failures, and repeated similar claims on Monday and Tuesday…

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/coronavirus-australia-live-news-andrews-tracing-interview-refusal-claims-debunked/news-story/7412631352ce72999cb3cc93501984ed

  442. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 10, 2020 8:42 am

    Stop blaming politicians/China/WHO/Victoria for the Covid 19 pandemic. The UN has spoken – it’s the patriarchy stupid!

  443. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2020 8:43 am

    Conspiracy time. Or, just A Series of Unfortunate Events?

    You know, his best mates been banned on twitter for spouting #qanon garbage.
    His wife had a phito taken using a racist symbol with Meghan Markle

    and now, a strange choice in hats

    Yes, just A Series of Unfortunate Events. 😉

    And since Q is the 17th letter of the alphabet, his followers attach special significance to that number.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2018-11-22/lucky-17-q-and-the-tippy-top-president-how-conspiracy-theories-are-being-turbo-charged-into-donald-trumps-america

  444. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2020 9:16 am

    I see our government are still protecting the grifters they have fattened with our tax dollars

  445. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 10, 2020 9:28 am

    A real conspiracy, no longer a theory, Tom R, is where the Clinton campaign made up a pack of lies about Trump Russia collusion and worked with the the FBI who used fraudulently obtained warrants to spy on a sitting president.

  446. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 10, 2020 9:38 am

    My pet peeve is the abuse of the VET FEE-HELP system. Grifters have ripped-off hundreds of millions of dollars through their scams.

  447. Tony permalink
    September 10, 2020 9:45 am

  448. Tony permalink
    September 10, 2020 9:53 am

  449. Tony permalink
    September 10, 2020 9:55 am

  450. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2020 10:00 am

    Interesting how the commists portray Dan Andrews as a Commist isn’t it?

  451. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2020 10:03 am

    Boffins costly blunder

    Thought it was going to be about a $60 billion JobKeeper “miscalculation”

  452. Tony permalink
    September 10, 2020 10:09 am

    The University of Rhode Island recently announced plans to remove two murals depicting the events of World War II due to their lack of diversity. The decision was prompted after students complained that the mural was not compatible with the university’s values of inclusivity. According to the school’s Vice President of Student Affairs, “Some of our students have even shared with us they didn’t feel comfortable sitting in that space.”

  453. Tony permalink
    September 10, 2020 10:18 am

    Thought it was going to be about a $60 billion JobKeeper “miscalculation”

    Yeah nah, that wasn’t costly though, quite the opposite. 🤣

  454. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2020 10:22 am

    that wasn’t costly though, quite the opposite

    except of course for all those people who got left out because … we couldn’t afford it.

    Which makes me wonder still if it was a bug, or a feature?

  455. Tony permalink
    September 10, 2020 10:58 am

  456. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 10, 2020 11:46 am

    lies, damn lies, and facts”

    The facts Tom R are that the Clinton Dossier was almost entirely false, there was no collusion between Trump and Russia and the FBI lied repeatedly to the FISA court to get warrants to spy on the Trump campaign.

  457. Tony permalink
    September 10, 2020 11:57 am

    The facts Tom R are that

    Yes, yes, but what you fail to take into account is Tom R gets his “news” from outlets like The Grauniad, so what hope has he got?

  458. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2020 12:10 pm

    yea splats, sure 😉

    With over 200 witness interviews and roughly 1 million documents reviewed, the nearly 1,000-page report documents in detail the comprehensive campaign conducted by Russian President Vladimir Putin and his proxies to seek influence within President Donald Trump’s campaign, help Trump win the 2016 presidential election and amplify polarization and division within American society.

    Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian operatives implementing the influence effort. For instance, the report exposes interactions and information exchanged between Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik and then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

    (from my above link)

  459. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 10, 2020 2:09 pm

    Yeah I read that Tom R. Would you tell me what the collusion was?

    What I said above was that “the Clinton campaign made up a pack of lies ” That much is absolutely true.

    Why didn’t the article you linked to explain that Kilimnik was a former business partner of Manafort and also a person who the Obama State department sought information from and provided information to?

    “The Senate report does not give a complete picture to the Obama-era State Department contacts where information was shared two ways with Kilimnik and Manafort,” said a U.S. intelligence source directly familiar with Russia intelligence and Kilimnik’s dealings with State. “Either this is as serious for State as it was for Trump and there needs to be a damage assessment, or the Senate report is overstating the concerns about Kilimnik for political effect.”

    A second U.S. official agreed the State Department emails obtained by Just the News likely merited a damage assessment if Kilimnik truly was a Russian intelligence officer. “If you have a verified contact with someone suspected of being an intelligence officer or working with a hostile foreign service, you usually have to do a damage assessment,” the source said.”

  460. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2020 2:54 pm

    knock yerself out

    The question turns almost entirely on what one means by the term “collusion”—a word without any precise meaning in the context of campaign engagement with foreign actors interfering with an election.

    ……

    Whether one describes this activity as collusion or not, there’s a lot of it: The report describes hundreds of actions by Trump, his campaign, and his associates in the run-up to the 2016 election that involve some degree of participation by Trump or his associates in Russian activity.

    …..

    Our own conclusions are notably closer to those of the Democrats than to those of the Republicans. To read these thousand pages and come away with the conclusion that they amount to evidence of “no collusion” really involves a protestation of faith, not a dispassionate assessment of presented evidence. As we said at the outset, debating what constitutes “collusion” is not worth anyone’s time, given that the word has no agreed-upon meaning in this context and that to say that there was none of it doesn’t answer in any event the more important question of what the facts amount to. Here are the conclusions we believe the Intelligence Committee’s evidence supports:

    The Trump campaign and Donald Trump himself were certainly aware in real time of Russian efforts to intervene in the 2016 presidential election. The campaign had a heads-up that Russia had stolen Democratic emails. And Russian operatives sought and received a meeting with senior Trump campaign officials promising “dirt” on Trump’s opponent. As the campaign wore on, and the Russian efforts were increasingly made public, Trump personally and publicly encouraged them.
    The Trump campaign was run for a time by a man with an ongoing business relationship with a Russian intelligence operative, to whom he gave proprietary internal polling data.
    The Trump campaign did not discourage Russian activity on its behalf. In fact, it sought repeatedly to coordinate its messaging around WikiLeaks releases of information. The campaign, and Trump personally, sought to contact WikiLeaks to receive information in advance about releases and may well have succeeded.
    The campaign sought to obtain disparaging information about Hillary Clinton from actors who either were Russian operatives or it believed were Russian operatives. It did so through a number of means—some of these efforts were direct. Some were indirect.
    The Russian government and affiliated actors clearly regarded the Trump campaign as a prime target for influence and recruitment. Russia targeted a diverse array of people associated with Trump for contact and engagement through an astonishing variety of avenues. Some of these attempts were rebuffed. Many of them were successful. The result was a sustained degree of engagement between the campaign, and later the transition, and Russian officials and cutouts.
    Trump’s personal and business history in Russia provided a significant opportunity for kompromat. Such material was very likely collected. There is less evidence that it was ever deployed, though Trump’s mere awareness of his vulnerability gives rise to substantial counterintelligence concerns.
    Trump’s active pursuit of business deals in Russia while running for president and denying any such deals created significant counterintelligence risk.
    Trump’s campaign, and later transition, were filled with a remarkable number of people who had secret interactions with Russian actors, about which they lied either in real time or in retrospect.
    All of this activity, particularly cumulatively, amounts to a grave set of counterintelligence concerns, in which any number of Trump campaign figures—including the candidate himself—exposed themselves to potential coercive pressure from an adversary foreign actor.
    Trump to this day will not criticize Russian President Vladimir Putin or acknowledge unambiguously Russian intervention in the 2016 election.
    We will leave it to others to debate what words best summarize this picture.

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/collusion-reading-diary-what-did-senate-intelligence-committee-find

  461. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 10, 2020 3:19 pm

    Lawfare! Guffaw! That pile of pablum is a nothingburger. Benji Wittless and his Lawfare cowboys stretch the definition of collusion until it is meaningless, make up a lot of crap and then say “there you have it”.

    And it doesn’t address my original statement that the Clinton campaign and their operatives assembled a fake dossier (by having Christopher Steel collude with Russians) and gulled the FBI into investigating Trump. The FBI then fraudulently conned the FISA court to authorise them to spy on the Trump administration.

  462. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2020 3:26 pm

    Some allegations have been corroborated, others remain unverified, and a court ruled that one of the claims was “inaccurate and misleading” and stated another claim was inaccurate

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier

    What is undeniable, is that Trump used Russian interference to win an American election.

  463. ivi permalink
    September 10, 2020 4:01 pm

    (Lawfare! Guffaw! That pile of pablum is a nothingburger. Benji Wittless and his Lawfare cowboys stretch the definition of collusion until it is meaningless, make up a lot of crap and then say “there you have it”.

    Yeah; I’m just glad that virtually-immortal, poly-locational/trans-national, liability-limited legal fictions with an otherwise-inexplicable interest in lobbying, donations, personnel-swaps, and increasingly-cosy publicprivate partnerships are merely seeking to preserve their statuses quo as law-abiding people-too.)

  464. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 10, 2020 6:01 pm

    Luckily we are not limited to the usual Wikipedia BS. The DOJ Inspector General also has a look at the Dossier:

    Corroboration Zero’: An Inspector General’s Report Reveals the Steele Dossier Was Always a Joke

    Most of the information in the dossier which was correct was publicly available and innocuous. All the major allegations in the Dossier were just Democrat lies:

    * Carter Page wasn’t promised billions in Rosneft shares;
    * Michael Cohen did not go to Prague to meet with Soviet Agents;
    * Trump did not have a back channel to Putin via an Alfa Bank server;
    * Trump didn’t have a golden shower party on Obama’s bed (I was desperately hoping the one was true).

  465. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2020 7:01 pm

    All the major allegations in the Dossier were just Democrat lies

    Take Me Home Country Roads …

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