You will be Vaccinated!
Fresh from doing absolutely nothing other than absolving himself from any responsibility for the atrocious state of Australia’s Aged Care system, Prime Minister Morrison has today announced that a COVID-19 vaccine will be compulsory for all Australians with some possible exceptions allowed on “medical grounds.”
Maintaining his stellar track record for announcing things that don’t necessarily correlate to events occurring in ‘the real world,’ the PM said that the vaccine will be free of charge.*
*Spoiler alert: There is currently no vaccine.
It follows on from that other hugely successful initiative, the Federal Government’s HomeBuilder package, launched three months ago as a lifeline to the construction industry as it risks collapse under the impact of the Coronavirus.
The scheme, worth some $680million in available grants, has only attracted 247 applications.
But wait, there’s more.
Last week the Treasury department revealed that even with these low numbers, no payments have actually been paid.
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It’s a ‘notional’ vaccine reb 😉
It looks to me like Morrison is not up to the job. He has a station well above his ideas.
Developing a coronavirus vaccine may take a while and given the track record of such vaccines it may not happen at all.
I would like to see more effort put into this type of solution although it seems it requires more testing.
A cheap effective generic is preferable to a proprietary solution like Remdesivir which doesn’t work that well and costs $4.5k for a course. No doubt the big drug companies are lobbying hard for their products.
Splats, it’s becoming all too obvious why morrisons been sacked from every position he’s held.
Inept doesn’t begin to cover it. The only question is, how long can his media mates run cover for him?
Didn’t we predict something like this?
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It looks to me like Morrison is not up to the job. He has a station well above his ideas.
Translation: Sooty from Marketing is a dickwit.
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A cheap effective generic is preferable …
I prefer Panadol … I haven’t got C-19 … but it helps with the osteo in my neck so I reckon its an overall good drug … fucking drummers disease!
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The Morrison Government and Aged Care: a story in two parts.
Part One: Fucked Up …. Part Two: Fucked Again
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SPECIAL COVID COMMENDATION to The Blogmeister … this fred flies … fanks freb …
Those that don’t want to have the vaccine can continue to self isolate until they change their mind.
Those that don’t want to have the vaccine can continue to self isolate until they change their mind.
I’m on board. Lock me up and let me out only for beach visits
“Getting 25 million people vaccinated is a huge step in the fight against coronavirus, and it’s great that it’s already happened next year.”
morrison truly cares about the aged care, doesn’t he. We are very lucky that there is a Royal Commission running at the moment, or else, they would still be lying their asses off to us.
OK, they still are lying their asses off to us, but we have the facts now. Makes you wonder why they continue to lie?
Federal authorities were told four months ago aged care centres would struggle to find staff in a coronavirus outbreak, with a confidential report listing the urgent lessons from the first wave of infection.
The federal report warned of problems in keeping staff, recruiting agency nurses and sending residents to hospital during the nation’s first major COVID-19 outbreak in an aged care home.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison.CREDIT:ALEX ELLINGHAUSEN
But the report was kept confidential after it was handed to federal authorities on April 14 and was only made public in recent days after being lodged with the royal commission into aged care.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/government-received-aged-care-workforce-warning-months-ago-20200819-p55nb0.html
Getting 25 million people vaccinated is a huge step in the fight against coronavirus, and it’s great that it’s already happened next year.”
That’s just what Wayne Swan would say!
That’s just what Wayne Swan would say!
You have a way with (misunderstanding/misrepresenting) words yomm 😉
Swan predicted surpluses that never eventuated
morrison claimed a surplus that never eventuated
Similar but not quite the same TomR. SWan predicted a surplus in May 2008 but got hit by the GFC. So that is forgivable. But after the GFC was over Swan still kept predicting surplus budgets. So somebody in Treasury should have lost their job over the false forecasts. The May 2012 claim of 4 surplus budgets was a beauty.
Coalition got hit by the virus and this was going to be their first surplus budget
But shows how great Howard/Costello were. Ran surplus budgets with unemployment at 8% and commodity prices much lower than now.
and this was going to be their first surplus budget
As if lol
“we will achieve a surplus in our first year of office and we will achieve a cash surplus in every year in our first term,”
Good times
“Tonight, I announce that the Budget is back in the black and Australia is back on track.”
Better times 😉
we will achieve a surplus in our first year of office and we will achieve a cash surplus in every year in our first term,
Yeah Hockey announced his surplus promise in Opposition based on the numbers in May 2012 budget. In Opposition you can only go on the govt numbers.
In May 2012 Swan/ALP promised/claimed 4 surplus budgets. There was no economic downturn that could explain such a false claim.
How does a Japanese visitor get into Australia … stay in Sydney … fly to Brisbane … and then fly to fkn Japan?
How does a 77 year old supervisor go to work sick for five days!!!!! And who was supervising the fkn supervisor!
The world truly is peopled by morons …
There was no economic downturn that could explain such a false claim.
Except of course for most of the rest of the world still suffering the effects of their massive recessions
TomR
The GFC was over by 2012. Treasury/Swan/ALP got their claims horribly wrong in May 2012.
But we have not run a surplus budget since May 2007 with none in sight.
I’m old enough to remember when these people tried to pretend the Tea Party protests were violent. Those were the days.
Biden will be safe, Trump isn’t
And Trump isn’t even a conservative! He would be an obnoxious loud mouth with any political orientation
Thoughts on Clive Palmer anyone…?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-20/clive-palmer-launches-personal-legal-action-against-mark-mcgowan/12579202
There is no way Clive can win this as he has no reputation to lose.
He’ll be as successful with this as he was at the last election.
He looks well. Iso agrees with him
Thoughts on Clive Palmer anyone…?
He’s a Fatty McFuckhead, apparently 🙂
High-profile ABC broadcaster Emma Alberici has vowed she will never host a TV program again after settling a dispute with the national broadcaster
Don’t hurry back
(Actually i quite like Emma A, but her report on corporate tax avoidance followed a scripted agenda, rather than balanced analysis. Very poor for an ” ABC Economics Editor”)
followed a scripted agenda, rather than balanced analysis
Or, as the layman may put it, she just told the truths the elite don’t want the plebs to hear
This is the key line which the public no longer have access to:
There is no compelling evidence that giving the country’s biggest companies a tax cut sees that money passed on to workers in the form of higher wages.
https://victoriarollison.com/2018/02/17/the-truth-bomb-that-terrifies-turnbull/
Emma A confused turnover with profit.
As economics editor she would know the difference, or if she didn’t she should not have been economics editor.
I wonder why the Dems had sexual predator Clinton speak at their convention? Maybe to keep Creepy Joe company:
No surprise the Dems invited this filthy anti-Semite to speak at their convention – anti-Semitism is flavour of the month for leftists these days. And good on Biden’s handlers for disavowing the mongrel.
And I thought TB was old:
He’s a Fatty McFuckhead, apparently
Hilarious … Mark seems to have a few witnesses too!
Can’t wait for the court appearance … when the judge kicks Fatty McFuckhead out of his chambers … or cites him with contempt of court and a few nights in the clink … they need to stop wasting the judicial system’s time.
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Thoughts on Clive Palmer anyone…?
Who?
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He would be an obnoxious loud mouth with any political orientation
You astound me sometimes, ToM … well put.
And then you go and spoil it all … by sayin’ something stupid, like …
… but her report on corporate tax avoidance followed a scripted agenda, rather than balanced analysis …
Now, what rhymes with Klive?
KNEEL
https://www.aussiebroadband.com.au/help-centre/nbn/plans/what-typical-evening-speeds-can-i-expect-on-the-nbn-home-ultrafast-speed-tier/
Read carefully … 1000mbps and 250mbps …
And I thought TB was old:
LOL … you young thing you …
At least I’m good looking, arsehole … 😎
Emma A confused turnover with profit.
Much yawns old farts. I say plural cos some other old fart regurgitated the drivel malcum wanted you old fart to believe. Helps to have useful idiots I guess
“The thorough & forensic review of my work found that I absolutely did not confuse profit and income as my many critics in government & business continue to assert”
Pretty easy to call her bullshit on that claim
The original article…….
“Despite generating income of $106.4 billion, the flying kangaroo has avoided paying tax on that bounty since 2009… ”
“Despite generating income of $106.4 billion, the flying kangaroo has avoided paying tax on that bounty since 2009… ”
Oh, and the remainder of that sentence
“thanks to Australia’s generous tax concessions, depreciation provisions and the ability to offset company losses against past and future profits.”
In other words, they were able to write of their income as anything BUT profit. Which kinda was the whole point of the article, duh
your similar dot points of images all contain the same glaring omissions and false equivalences. You know, kike when she said business investment has been at historical highs, but they claimed she was wrong because the last three years weren’t. What about the other 7 years dopey!
Yes, it was a campaign for tax reform. Companies were complying with the law and Alberici pretended they were tax dodgers.
And really, an airline invests in aircraft and that’s tax avoidance!!
and Alberici pretended they were tax dodgers.
No she didn’t, she simply pointed out the fact that the system is weighted in their favour, and that they use every ‘legal’ loophole to not pay taxes
And angry old men couldn’t handle the truth, so the got her sacked
And angry old Elite men couldn’t handle the truth, so the got her sacked
Apologies TR … but the wannabe Elites will relate more easily to that … 😉
A park ranger employed as an authorised officer in Victoria’s hotel quarantine system says he was given a diversity briefing but no training in infection control before his first shift, and felt so unsafe that he ultimately quit.
A great example of the hotel isolation overseen by the Victorian government
So it it ok for the ABC to run an agenda on tax changes?
“”””””””””””Read carefully … 1000mbps and 250mbps”””””””””””
Thanks TB
I had no idea you could get speeds like that. But i get 11Mbps on TPGs NBN12 plan. Works OK
… and that they
use every ‘legal’ loophole to not pay taxesdeduct legitimate expense from gross revenue to ascertain the nett taxable income …Fixed.
“I don’t know anybody that doesn’t minimise their tax. I’m not evading tax in any way shape or form. Of course I’m minimising my tax. If anybody in this country doesn’t minimise their tax they want their head read. As a government I can tell you you’re not spending it that well that we should be paying extra.” ~ Kerry Packer, Senate enquiry, 1991.
Yes, the notion that a public company with statutory obligation to shareholders would pay unnecessary tax is utter crap.
The claims that they should is a campaign, not a report.
This type of campaign is typical of the ABC.
“private enterprise at its finest”
Coming to your neighbourhood soon:
The good news is that Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot has worked out a solution to this problem – ban all demonstrations but only in her street. This mongrel mayor has form – she also banned visits to the hairdresser everyone in Chicago but herself!
“Andrews was not being truthful “
What a surprise!!
https://www.theage.com.au/national/as-the-second-wave-eases-will-the-premier-s-prevarications-hurt-him-20200821-p55nxj.html
Welcome to Plaguesville, 200+ cases today. We should be out of lockdown by December 2027.
We should be out of lockdown by December 2027.
Thank, christ for that! Just stop those devil worshippers and it could be sooner … 😡
Yes, the notion that a public company with statutory obligation to shareholders would pay unnecessary tax is utter crap.
BINGO. Possibly, just possibly, if a company is making oodles of money, why does none of it appear under ‘profits’. Have we perhaps made a few too many ‘loopholes’ for them to hide this ‘operational costs’ away from tax collectors?
Fine, is it up to the ABC to campaign for tax changes, and identify companies as tax dodgers when they are paying their legal obligations,? AND have a legal obligation to act in the interests of shareholders?
This was typical of the ABC falling into line with an anti business/left agenda.
is it up to the ABC to campaign for tax changes
It’s actually up to all journalists, irregardless of their employer, to challenge accepted norms such as this, especially when the evidence, as highlighted in the article, points to a very regressive tax system, rather than the progressive one we pretend we have.
It is vital that an independent ABC is able to pursue this line of investigation, it’s part of their charter
(1) The functions of the Corporation are:
(a) to provide within Australia innovative and comprehensive broadcasting services of a high standard as part of the Australian broadcasting system consisting of national, commercial and community sectors and, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, to provide:
(i) broadcasting programs that contribute to a sense of national identity and inform and entertain, and reflect the cultural diversity of, the Australian community; and
(ii) broadcasting programs of an educational nature;
https://about.abc.net.au/how-the-abc-is-run/what-guides-us/legislative-framework/
So? It was a campaign not a report. And it contained errors of fact.
It isn’t up to ABC employees to spruik a partisan view, it is up to them to provide airtime to all points on the political spectrum.
And it contained errors of fact.
LIKE WHAT?
it is up to them to provide airtime to all points on the political spectrum.
Isn’t that precisely what was being presented? We get plenty from the other side, but as soon as someone examines the side the current Government doesn’t want to hear about, it’s time to ignore their cries of ‘free speech’, and time to shut them down, the same as happened to Nick Ross.
“LIKE WHAT?LIKE WHAT?
Like this?
“An internal ABC review found significant problems with the article, including that it didn’t mention that all the largest five and most of the top-ten companies by value pay corporate tax; that depreciation, amortisation and operating losses are not tax concessions, which was implied by the article; and that the suggestion that JP Morgan was writing off a US fine against its Australian income was highly implausible.
Other problems included describing Etihad, Emirates and Qatar as Australian airlines; accusing companies of lending money to Australian operations at inflated prices to reduce tax; implying Babcock & Brown shifted profits overseas to avoid tax; failing to mention that property trusts are not liable for corporate tax; not realising CSR had sold its sugar business; and describing MYOB as a corporate adviser instead of a software company.”
Yes. Hardly anything wrong with her analysis… if you ignore everything she said after “good evening”
which was implied by the article
lol, so, if you read it their way, not the way it was written, it was wrong ROFL
Other problems included describing Etihad, Emirates and Qatar as Australian airlines
other problems include this idiot not being able to read. Just because an airline operates in Australia, doesn’t make it an Australian airline, and, since she only said “Airlines in Australia”, not Australian airlines, then that’s the readers problem, not hers
The ‘nine mistakes’ are nine examples of stupid. It’s not like this information is new to you ffs
Chief Tim urges boycott of vaccine for christs sake…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-24/sydney-catholic-archbishop-warns-pm-against-coronavirus-vaccine/12588578
Daniel Andrews wants to extend the State of Emergency for a further 12 months. Much to his disgust, he has to get Parliament to agree. Is that any way to treat a benevolent dictator?
The ‘nine mistakes’ are nine examples of stupid.
Ok then. Stupid from the ABC’s Chief Economics Correspondent!! About economic matters!
A stupid professional is an incompetent professional
Ok then. Stupid from the ABC’s Chief Economics Correspondent!!</i.
Another one who cannot read, and pretends the words were in a different order and spelt differently.
It's pathetic. As was the nine errors that weren't
I get it – the ABC is so incompetent it can’t competently inquire into its own incompetence!
Screechy is grotesquely stupid to think that listed unit trusts must be avoiding tax if they don’t pay any tax. This is because they are tax transparent – their income is not taxed to them but is included in the assessable income of the unitholders who pay the tax.
I get it – the ABC is so incompetent it can’t competently inquire into its own incompetence!
So, you think the ABC is incompetent, because it didn’t make up a list with nine (non) errors and pretend they wee errors,is that the argument you are going with?
I’m saying that the error I described above is a non-trivial example of incompetence. That one is so bad I’m not wasting my time chasing down the rest.
This was typical of the ABC falling into line with an anti business/left agenda.
Or the ABC reporting a socially sensitive subject that BIG business dodges tax … as do many individuals (legal or not) … Family Trusts spring to mind …
Now I’ll read other comments
So? It was a campaign not a report. And it contained errors of fact.
Straight out of the Liberal School of Fudging Facts
Other problems included ….
The real problem is that you defend companies that OPERATE here and play games with tax …
Your concern should be Australian taxpayers who foot most of the bill to run the country … maybe we should privatise the government? That way it would really be “small” and the Elites would then make more profit out of the plebs …
Naive doesn’t cut it!
Have you heard … we are all in this together … unless you are a multi national … or billionaire …
Chief Tim urges boycott of vaccine for christs sake…
As I’ve commented before … many times … The End Is Nigh!
Jesus Fucking Christ!
Jesus Fucking Christ!
Dudes got a lot to answer for.
Or, more precisely, those who ‘interpret’ him have.
Jerry Jr likes to watch!
Jerry Jr on holidays with young friend:
Funny thing is that Jerry Jr looks a bit like Bill Clinton!
So, how many people hope John Howard ends up in aged care?
Home to roost?
Virtue signalers get what they deserve:
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Thanks reb, I’ve been watching splats posting about it all day, and didn’t have a clue what he was on about.
“Show me the list that says adultery is bad” lol
Exposing the hypocrisies and human failings of the great and the good is always fun. I suspect some of us wouldn’t look too flash if our worst moments were exposed. I’m glad I’m not famous enough to be able to be publicly humiliated like that.
I bet Jerry Sr is turning in his matchbox in shame right now.
Whereas sexual predator Bill Clinton, who shoved a cigar up an intern’s vagina and messed her dress in the Oval Office, is an honored guest at the Democrat convention where he chided Trump on the correct use of the Oval Office.
I suspect some of us wouldn’t look too flash if our worst moments were exposed
Some of us don’t pretend to be better than our actions indicate though, or, even worst, try to impose those norms we cannot achieve onto others
Not only did they have Rapey Bill and anti-Semite Sarsour they also featured a convicted felon who, with friends, kidnapped a gay guy and tortured him for two weeks before killing him.
“Some of us don’t pretend to be better than our actions indicate though, or, even worst, try to impose those norms we cannot achieve onto others”
I certainly don’t. I would’t want anyone inspecting my cavity of depravity!
They resisted releasing this report for weeks despite the pleadings of senior health professionals.
“Bill Clinton, who shoved a cigar up an intern’s vagina”
I’m not sure that’s entirely correct, unless you’ve got some mounting evidence.
I suspect some of us wouldn’t look too flash if our worst moments were exposed. I’m glad I’m not famous enough to be able to be publicly humiliated like that.
Based quite simply on previous comments, splatterbum … speak for yourself … 😎
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They resisted releasing this report for weeks despite the pleadings of senior health professionals.
Not hard to guess! Exposure is a major risk factor …
… unless you’ve got some mounting evidence.
Whooo! Clever!
I don’t think this person has met our present pm
Where did Sooty Morrison from Marketing go for vaccine?
The UK!
Another case of political ideology getting in the way of good decision making. ust ’cause its Queensland t’know that Labor State …
This Federal government is fucking hopeless …
And for the record it was known months ago that UQ was researching a vaccine …
http://click.email.fairfaxmedia.com.au/?qs=889f0f2b9bc7b4eb68336720a8e7ef4fc5d1a1c0f54bea7e912f6a03098cf25a7b533228eabfb37341dd7f10b41804f296de10637b1748e2
“I’m not sure that’s entirely correct, unless you’ve got some mounting evidence.”
Of course he did – I mean really? Who hasn’t done this sort of thing???
“In the hallway by the study, the President and Ms. Lewinsky kissed. On this occasion, according to Ms. Lewinsky, “he focused on me pretty exclusively,” kissing her bare breasts and fondling her genitals.(272) At one point, the President inserted a cigar into Ms. Lewinsky’s vagina, then put the cigar in his mouth and said: “It tastes good.”(273) After they were finished, Ms. Lewinsky left the Oval Office and walked through the Rose Garden.”
Where did Sooty Morrison from Marketing go for vaccine?
The UK!
Seems the game of mates has crossed international borders
Ms. Lewinsky left the Oval Office and walked through the Rose Garden
Is that another euphemism?
Dick Tator Dan!!
“Is that another euphemism?
By that stage Bill had erectile problems so after the cigar that was probably all she had to look forward to!
Your’e Terrible Muriel 🙂
I see abbotts gone to the UK to help liberate their car workers.
Thoughts and Prayers. Don’t let the pedo hit you on the way out.
Apparently Bill misses his human humidor:
Equally vile was the behaviour of the “journalists” and celebrities who vilified Lewinsky to protect the Clinton brand:
NYT journo Mongrel Maureen Dowd called her:
“”a ditsy, predatory intern who might have lied under oath for a job at Revlon” and “the girl who was too tubby to be in the high school ‘in’ crowd”.
Letterman joked: ““Top Ten Possible First lines for Lewinsky’s Book” (No. 6: “I knew someday I’d go down in history”) on “The Late Show,”
Hllary called her “a narcissistic loony toon,”
And while we’re on the topic respected CNN commentator James Carville said while attacking the credibility of another Clinton victim: “If you drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what you’ll find,”
I think I’ll stick to my board shorts:
Your sacrifice is appreciated splats
Yes, it makes real sense. Brought to you by the government that gave us 700 cases a day (while other states had 0 to 25) and 85% of fatalities!
Please trust the Andrews Government!
* lawmaking by decree
* let’s let bureaucrats govern us. Home by 8!
* no game of golf is worth a human life
* fine the picnickers
* don’t blame us!
* don’t you worry, we’re here to protect public health
Yep, Dan Andrews should never have let the Feds near the place
Shame the Democrat marxists who run these cities won’t keep order:
This is white the entitled white privilege of the BLM movement looks like – coming to a restaurant near you:
Another “mostly peaceful protest”. Another elderly man bashed bloody by BLM mongrels:
Where did Sooty Morrison from Marketing go for vaccine?
The UK!
Not sure if youse know, but there is no vaccine.
I see abbotts gone to the UK to help liberate their car workers.
I was in Kmart the other day and a lot of the shelves were empty because the shipments from China have not arrived
TomR give it a miss. It is people like you is the reason we don’t make anything here anymore.
Not sure if youse know, but there is no vaccine.
Except they told us one was on the verge (which it isn’t)
Then again, they told us they had signed a deal (which they hadn’t)
Then again, they told us we’d make it here (which we cannot)
Then again, he ‘pledged’ to make it free (which it would be anyway under the NIP)
More announcements, more lies. Just another day at the pulpit, worshiped at by our gormless media
Key points:
The Australian Government has signed an agreement with AstraZeneca to secure Oxford University’s COVID-19 vaccine, if trials prove successful
If it is successful, Australia will be able to manufacture it domestically
Prime Minister Scott Morrison has pledged to make the vaccine free for all Australians
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-18/australia-locks-in-oxford-astrazeneca-coronavirus-vaccine-deal/12571454
And, I am proud to announce I have no idea what nil is blathering about, except blaming everyone else for the libs killing manufacturing in this cuntry
Not sure if youse know, but there is no vaccine.
Think about that for a moment, ToSY …
OK, I’ll explain … there is a number of vaccines under trial … none are accepted yet … Sooty attempted to pre-emp the “market” (LOL!) but went to the UK, for his marketing comfort, instead of an equally probable vaccine being researched in Queensland … that we could have funded … Sooty chose his mate’s mob as TR points out above.
There is a vaccine but not on the market … yet
TomR give it a miss. It is people like you is the reason we don’t make anything here anymore.
WTF is this rambling about now????
Obviously being single hasn’t limited Andrew’s love life:
I’d guess that that dog is well used to being between Andre’s legs.
There is a vaccine but not on the market … yet
And, no one knows if it will do anything anyway. Minor issues 😉
“I was vaccinated with a victrolla needle
And I’m hooked on rock and roll”
There is a vaccine but not on the market … yet
So, in every practical way, there is no vaccine. Only candidates:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/novel-coronavirus-landscape-covid-19-2.pdf?sfvrsn=9c18d69c_6&download=true
To be fair, there is more of a vaccine than there is of a deal 😉
I’m fine about wearing a mask, and i think those that oppose it should think about a genuine civil rights issue to support.
But… I really find the images of police action very disturbing. Police seem to find satisfaction in strong enforcement, rather than control of the situation.
Picking off soft targets and bullying has always been their preferred modus operandi.
Picking off soft targets and bullying has always been their preferred modus operandi.
How long did you serve in the police service, ToM …
You seem to be an expert on everything?
Yeah. Right TB. Just like the BLM movement that object to the police “methods”. They also have to be former police officers to form a view.
Just like the BLM movement that object to the police “methods”.
Yep, the pigs are assholes, end of story.
Didn’t see you complaining when people were demonstrating, safely, about BLM, but people flaunting the law and societies well being in general, OUTRAGE!
They also have to be former police officers to form a view.
But, ToM, you were insulting the police service long before BLM …
Can’t help thinking there’s a background here … y’know surfers an’ all …
And BTW the people in the vid above were not exactly helping the police to keep the peace.
Tom R -I don’t think the police were quite as vigorous in enforcement of regulations at BLM protests. But i also recall that even you agreed that it wasn’t the time to hold protests.
TB- i had plenty of experience with the police as a youngster. Their recruitment demographic has always been bullies that were too dumb to get into the military.
yea, pigs are so nice
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-07/sydney-police-defend-pepper-spray-use-on-protesters/12330558
I see abbotts talents precede him
It’s quite interesting that, at the height of an economic turn down, the Government wants to stop an economic stimulus like the Chinese deal with the Vic Government will provide. Especially after, they tried to do a deal with the Chinese that took Australian jobs, and called the Unions and Labor racist for stopping it, have done similar deals themselves, and lastly, have underfunded the Victorian state government in recent years for purely political purposes leaving the Victorians with little option but to go to the Chinese
Best economic managers. ROFL
“…..have underfunded the Victorian state government in recent years for purely political purposes leaving the Victorians with little option but to go to the Chinese”
NSW has also contributed more GST than it has ever gotten back but we also never had to turn to China. Funny how Victoria is the exception for Covid and now it’s reliance on China.
Yeah nothing to see here………………… yeah right
NSW has also contributed more GST than it has ever gotten back
So has Victoria 😉
Nothing to see, Move along. Nothing to see
Victoria is a health and economic basket case.
The only reason we have an economy at the moment is that the other states are willing to pay our way.
The only reason we have an economy at the moment is that the other states are willing to pay our way.
I think you’ll find the economy is pretty stuffed everywhere yomm
“Want to know why Victoria went looking for infrastructure funding from China? ”
Because they missed the Federal Government asset recycling deadline
Fixed it for you !
Other states have signs of life, they allow the building and construction industry to continue.
Victoria has reduced even that sector by 75%
Because they missed the Federal Government asset recycling deadline
ROFL
I guess this is what you areferring to. Simply stolen by the government, in their futile attempt to create a surplus
But with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull expected to call an election within days,Treasury officials moved to wind up the scheme early and pour the money back into consolidated revenue.
https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/turnbull-government-pockets-leftover-asset-recycling-funds-in-federal-budget-20160427-gog2bg
The saddest part of that is the Vic would have only got the money if they sold assets, which they dutifully did, only to have the feds renege on them.
And, for icing, who did they sell that ‘asset’ to?
CNN are beyond parody now
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/fiery-but-mostly-peaceful-cnn-torn-apart-over-embarrassing-caption/news-story/100d20489bce103283cd2fa5e71b516b
https://babylonbee.com/news/powerful-protesters-spell-out-love-with-burning-homes-and-businesses?utm_content=bufferd6a10&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Goodyear Announces They Will Only Sell Tires For Left Side Of Car
https://babylonbee.com/news/goodyear-announces-it-will-only-sell-tires-for-left-side-of-car
What country am I living in? One of Victoria’s assistant police commissioners has called protesters “tinfoil hat wearing” and “batshit crazy”. It’s not the police’s job to have public political opinions. Their job is to uphold the law, whatever that may be at the time – not to pontificate about them or the people subjected to them. Many of the rules (not laws) people object to didn’t exist a year ago and likely won’t exist a year down the track.
TB- i had plenty of experience with the police as a youngster. Their recruitment demographic has always been bullies that were too dumb to get into the military.
Which grammar school did you go to?
Could you enlighten me on just what … plenty of experience with the police as a youngster means?
I see you are expert in ADF enlistment requirements too … wow!
Their job is to uphold the law, whatever that may be at the time
Make yer mind up, ToSY
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I do hope that, Walter, is providing us with a little sarcastic humour above … but based on previous comments he may believe it!
Why are so many people obsessed with the US of A …
Make yer mind up, ToSY
My mind *is* made up. Police can do their job while still respecting people’s diverse opinions. In both cases they overstep those boundaries. Dan Andrews can denigrate the protesters – he’s a politician. Police are public servants so should respect the public they serve.
I also used to object to previous commissioner Simon Overland going on radio and saying nightclubs should close earlier. It’s not his role to make laws, just to enforce them. If the people want to go clubbing till daylight and their elected representatives legislate to allow it, then the police need to deal with it. Not whinge that it makes their job too hard.
Yes. The police like enforcement, treating everyone as a suspect.
It’s great news!!
* we’ve had thousands of cases in the past few weeks
* hundreds of people have died
* we’re a health and economic basket case
* we rely on the largesse of the other states to prop us up
* who knows when we will have the life available to people in other states
…BUT… We’re meeting our social inclusion indicators!!!
GO VICTORIA!!!
Not whinge that it makes their job too hard.
You should join up … 😀 … show ’em how its done ➡
This will make ToM and ToSY do one of two things … fire up or fizzle out … I have my suspicions …
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/aug/29/its-got-to-be-a-big-stick-melburnians-perhaps-surprisingly-are-all-for-lockdown
BTW the majority of Queenslanders! are fed up with our restrictions … but we all support Anna and her Medical Advisers …
eg. My kids have decided to split the family on Fathers’ Day, to accommodate the group gathering rules … while I get two “days” … I would much prefer all the family together … and I also cancelled my usual firepit birthday party in June … we now wear masks when shopping … etc …
Its called self discipline … (unless you are a Victorian Elite or Stupids)
Hope and prayers, hope and prayers … and don’t forget the footy … so pleased we have state premiers running the show on the ground … and not the Happy Clappy Cheerleader ..
(unless you are a Victorian Elite or Stupids)
Do you have any idea what the current restrictions in Victoria involve TB?
Karen makes a lot of sense..
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Do you have any idea what the current restrictions in Victoria involve TB?
I have a TV and read your news every day … AND … we have shifting restrictions in Queensland just like you … in fact earlier, the same as you … but nobody whinged we just got on with it … then we had a few stupids and elites fucking 99.9% of us up … suck it up princess … my family live in the same street I haven’t seen some of them for fucking weeks! (They work in retail or travel on public transport and are CONCERNED citizens) … I have a son in law who has a project in Orange if he goes on site … we may not see him until after Christmas! WTF do you think you are? The Lone Stranger?
Build a fucking bridge … and get over it.
Victoria’s numbers are falling … its about self discipline … discover it. FFS!
‘Bout time Karen was vaccinated … for (choose your symptom)
Yeah right TB. Victoria has the most severe restrictions in the world and the outbreak is due to slack process overseen by the state ALP government.
And your suggestion is to patronise.
The police dealing with another soft target.
And we’ve become a nation of snitches
Wait till they see some of TB’s social media posts.
Lots of people warned about a second wave, but no one expected it to be caused by an incompetent and negligent state government
After all these years it’s good to see she’s still classy.
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/reality-tv/schapelle-corby-photographed-in-hotel-isolation/news-story/42fa86630a10e3a13af7903cebde7fab
Victoria 114 cases, NSW 7.
It’s a slaughter!! Go Dan!! We’re punching above our weight again!!
The laffs keep coming over at the #ScottyfromMarketing govt with Josh Frydenberg getting all teary-eyed because apparently Dan Andrews doesn’t have a concrete plan for getting Victoria out of a T4 lockdown, whereas ‘back in black’ was done n’ dusted.
Honestly, does Josh have the slightest inkling of how much of a stupid fucking twat he is?
I guess not.
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“Schools are safe. I can’t be any clearer than that”.
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Heavens! We’re in the middle of the worst economic downturn in 90 years and the worst health crisis in a century!
(Apparently) we have the worst government in memory…and the ALP may have drawn level, 2 years out from an election!
I’m not sure everyone will be slapping Albanese on the back for that.
The hacks and power brokers might have something shaper for his back.
We’re in the middle of the worst economic downturn in 90 years
And we were so prepared for it too.
But while the economic carnage of the present will deservedly get the attention, we should not let it blind us to the reality that even before the virus, the economy was barely limping along.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/commentisfree/2020/aug/30/before-covid-inflicted-carnage-the-australian-economy-was-struggling
Back to school kiddies:
“Coronavirus infections are rising sharply at the University of Alabama, where school officials have reported more than 1,000 cases since classes began Aug. 19.”
Wait till they see some of TB’s social media posts.
Don’t have any …
I liked the “G’day Joshie” as Albanese walked past …
even before the virus, the economy was barely limping along.
You should also note that the GFC was just a figment of some ALP voters’ imaginations …
“back in black”
Still haven’t stopped lolling at Joshie trying to berate Dan Andrews.
Get fucked ya inept baldy failure.
And ppl say Katharine Murphy doesn’t have a sense of humour… 😆 😆
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yAnd ppl say Katharine Murphy doesn’t have a sense of humour
You need one in her line of work
oshi ,, er joshie, is a slow learner
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/josh-frydenberg-jay-weatherill-verbal-biff/8359056
joshie. is. slow.
More accurate, TR … 😎
Pity they’re not Back In Black … they should – in so many ways … !
Frydenberg is my local member, he seems a decent fellow.
With regard to his comments about opening Victoria, it is certainly time for Adrews to tell us his criteria for easing the restrictions.
Is it when we have 7 days of single figure, or 14 days of an average under 20?
He must know, and it’s reasonable to advise the community of the criteria we have to meet.
If he doesn’t do that he is just giving ammunition to the anti maskers
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Would Morrison & Frydenberg please tell us what their pathway out of recession is?
I believe the political consensus for the pathway out of recession is to place our generation in HUGE debt, and the next generation and the one after that.
I believe the political consensus for the pathway out of recession is to place our generation in HUGE debt, and the next generation and the one after that.
So what’s new?
We’ve been doing it since the Boer War – WW1 – WW2 – Korea – Vietnam – Iraq – Afghanistan … and Mr Sooty is shaping up for the next one right now … its a right of passage for Prime Ministers …
Find us another path Mr ToM … we know how creative you can be …
Well the Commonwealth was debt free in 1972, then Whitlam trashed the budget and started increasing govt debt. It reached 7% of GDP by 1983 and 18% by 1996. Howard took govt debt to zero. Then since 2007 govt debt has increased to 18% of GDP where is was in 1996.
After this stimulus spending i think govt debt will be uncontrollable
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/newspoll-scott-morrisons-numbers-dip-as-voters-back-premiers-rights/news-story/fcfa72ea6eedde193f2329f26aafafb7
After this stimulus spending i think govt debt will be uncontrollable
Perhaps you and Mr ToM could form a coalition and come up with a viable plan, Kneel … oh wait!
(BTW its 2020!)
For Mr ToM
Frydenberg is my local member,
He can’t even keep a bloody Library open, how did we ever expect him to keep us out of recession?
33 of the 41 new deaths
Apparently, this is just a function of the Federally run aged care homes
Pay off the debt because no one is spending anyway. And here are my suggestions –
* don’t bother with corporate tax cuts
* increase all marginal rates by 2%
* increase the GST by 2.5% and apply it to everything
* abolish payroll tax
* mutual obligation test for all welfare except age pension
* stop “arts” funding and reallocate it to indigenous arts, education and health
* phase out private TAFE sector
* aged care transition to the NFP sector
* phase out HECS and introduce a permanent graduate tax/levy of 2%
More debunking murdochs poison. The question is, why do we have to keep doing this, instead of just burning his fucken papers down?
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/qld/2020/09/01/melbourne-man-brisbane-covid/
ToM!!!!! What have you (tried) to do?
ToM!!!!! What have you (tried) to do?
Another massive failure by Dan Andrews!
I’m stuck in Covidville. I was enjoying the quiet life on the coast, but i had to return here last week, and now I have to decide whether to go back.
I suppose it’s a first world problem, so I’m not getting much sympathy
so I’m not getting much sympathy
Heavens.
Is it because, you are part of the problem?
Victoria should resist external pressure to announce a time-bound “road map” until it is clear what the epidemiological situation is at the time of decision-making. It was a mistake when the state moved from stage three to stage two during the first wave of infections under pressure from the National Cabinet. Lifting the number of people allowed in a household from five to 20 overnight probably contributed to the rapid spread of the virus through north-western Melbourne in the early stages of the second wave.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/how-victoria-can-leave-lockdown-safely-and-avoid-a-return-20200831-p55r0n.html
More debunking murdochs poison. The question is, why do we have to keep doing this, instead of just burning his fucken papers down?
Your natural totalitarianism comes out again. You will not be happy until the govt runs everything.
Your natural totalitarianism comes out again. You will not be happy until the govt runs everything.
Mordoch runs everything including the LNP government, you gormless twit, your twisted mind is fascination itself …
Hilarious indeed, splatterbum, having defended the plundering of my IP more than once (the pirates were hung, drawn and quartered … ah ahrgggh!) From Finland to the USA to Australia! QUEENSLANDER!
Defence my arse!
BTW just acquired Season 7 of The 100 … 😎
Your natural totalitarianism comes out again.
Yoir natural stupidity comes out again!
So how are the sports rorts and Darwin Harbour and the Murray Darling River and the Collinsville Power Plant and the Stanthorpe water mining and the aged peoples homes going (among other stupid LNP government meddlings) and you obviously don’t need a decent superannuation retirement fund … unlike politicians – just to be bipartisan …
And let’s not forget the NBN
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/sep/01/more-australians-than-ever-are-working-and-studying-from-home-but-is-the-nbn-holding-up
Ignorance is not bliss … it shits me off, ’cause the ignorant have too much impact in OUR democracy!
Just out of interest TB, you and i often have different views about political issues.
Do you think I’m more susceptible to the influence of Murdoch than you?
Why would i be more easily influenced than you?
Do you think you’re less easily influenced by Murdoch than the people here you regularly disagree with?
Mordoch runs everything including the LNP government, you gormless twit, your twisted mind is fascination itself …
Did Murdoch cause Rudd to abolish Howards Pacific Solution and drop our borders allowing 50,000 boat people to sail in? Did Murdoch cause Rudd/ALP to lock up 8,469 children and to send young children to Manus Island to be used as shields?
Anybody who died and any children abused because Labor dropped our borders is on the head on anybody who voted for Rudd in 2007.
Rudd/Labor dropped our borders because lefties do not believe in borders.
This explains a lot:
This explains a lot:
Not sure how. The hotels the virus got out of was manned by staff vetted by the feds. we’ve been over this (yawn)
Do you think I’m more susceptible to the influence of Murdoch than you?
Nah, it’s just coincidence that you parrot their lines
Why would i be more easily influenced than you?
Something about synapses perhaps?
Beijing Biden: “I am not banning fracking. Let me say that again: I am not banning fracking. No matter how many times Donald Trump lies about me,”
Also Beijing Biden:
““Would there be any place for fossil fuels, including coal and fracking, in a Biden administration?”
“No. We would work it out,” Biden said, quickly and emphatically. “We would make sure it’s eliminated, and no more subsidies for either one of those, period.”
Sadly the senile old fool does something like this every time he speaks. In this case the stupid cunt was reading from a teleprompter and still lapsed into incoherence:
You do understand that you can eliminate something without banning it, don’t you splats?
Do you think you’re less easily influenced by Murdoch than the people here you regularly disagree with?
Questions, questions … and you never answer mine! Still owe me two apologies or a noice poem too …
Anyhoo! Mordoch and its many minions don’t influence me at all … I actually agree with some articles in news.com.au … eg I made a similar comment last night referring to the AFL (see below) … was going to suggest you become a footballer … 😎
But I doubt I will see anything much, if at all, about this is Mordoch press …
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/02/urannah-scheme-how-money-for-a-queensland-dam-project-flowed-to-lnp-linked-firm
There’s researched reporting and then there’s political bias … and you ToM, regurgitate the Liberal Daily Dictum almost word for word ad (scuse the pun) nauseum …
“No. We would work it out,” Biden said, quickly and emphatically. “We would make sure it’s eliminated, and no more subsidies for either one of those, period.”
You seem to have a problem with that, splatterbum?
I think those that believe the masses are manipulated by the media, but they’re immune, have a superiority complex.
Exhibit A – TB of Queensland
have a superiority complex.
Or synapses
Unlike this tool
the economic cost of lockdowns meant families should be allowed to consider letting elderly relatives with the coronavirus die by letting nature take its course.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/01/tony-abbott-some-elderly-covid-patients-could-be-left-to-die-naturally
Guess it’s what happens when your primary boxing defense is using yer hed!
I think …
That’s enough … LOL!
Exhibit B of the superiority complex- TB of Queensland
“You do understand that you can eliminate something without banning it, don’t you splats?”
“You seem to have a problem with that, splatterbum?”
I was just noting the contradiction:
“I’m not banning fracking, I’m eliminating it – period!”
Here’s Sleazy Pelosi following in the hypocritical footsteps of Lori Lightfoot – hair salon for me but not for thee:
I was just noting the contradiction:
Not really a contradiction, when you want to eliminate something without Draconian (Andersian?) conditions.
Today, we are all Andersons 😉
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg2yjeCUcAAtKSU?format=jpg&name=large
Whether you ban something or eliminate it it’s gone – along with all the jobs!
along with all the jobs!
Perhaps, just perhaps, that’s what opposing banning is supposed to help with? [rhetorical highlight here]
Perhaps our mob needs to start thinking about jobs, instead of blaming Anderson for everything
(Yegads, Neil is right; lefties are hysterical about shit(s) happen(ing)s: human rights and/or medical dictatorships are getting in the way of the obvious final solution-economies of dumping ill-treated men, women, and children in lockdown borderline-paradises for the terms of their (un)natural lifes/deaths; now, that’s a renewed trade-deal worth celebrating, and a peculiarly-(il)Liberal skillset worth re-exporting.)
Tom R, it seems by “rhetorical highlight” you mean logical fallacy.
Eliminated still means no jobs.
Whether you ban something or eliminate it it’s gone – along with all the jobs!
I suppose that’s the way blacksmiths felt too … then they “invented” motor mechanics
And the carriage makers too, then they invented panel beaters and spray painters …
And the fodder merchants, ahhh, service stations …
But what about the pooper scoopers you say (of course you would)? More cars need better roads … guess what was needed?
I feel for the tyre manufacturers …
Eliminated still means no jobs.
OR
It could mean jobs elsewhere (logically speaking (just not in tyre manufacturing))
final solution-economies
Ouch
(Exhibit A – TB of Queensland….Exhibit B of the superiority complex- TB of Queensland
Alter–natively.)
ElitesRobber Barons at work … with your money!lol ivi, so that’s how House hurt his leg 🙂
Thanks, Mr v … loved fry and laurie … both went on to become super stars … was a big fan of steptoe too hiding in the background (or falling off his chair) …
LOL! @ TR …
superiority complex
Nah, I was well grounded in those dark satanic mills of birthplace … but I have, over the years developed a very low tolerance level for fools who think they are smarter than others … and constantly prove they are not …
Oddly enough, I still turn up here to learn stuff …
I see TB.
What you’re saying is that there is something unique about you that prevents you from being turned against your own interests by Murdoch.
That’s just another way of describing a superiority complex.
y wot?
So you failed psychology 101 and bombed out of Cert 1 in “How to write a sentence that makes sense”
TB I happened to be glancing at the Queensland coat of arms this afternoon and was shocked to discover it features a rampant red deer which is an introduced species. This is an outrageous hangover from our colonial past. All statues and structures featuring this obscenity must be torn down at once!
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“That’s just another way of describing a superiority complex.”
I see.
So by your logic, if I see a plate of vomit in the corner, and I decide I’m not going to eat said plate of vomit, that means I must have some sort of superiority complex.
Okaaaaayy…
mmmmmmmmmmmmm, vommmit.
Probably what Keating feels like doing right now talking to fran the sham
Okaaaaayy
No, it’s more like a babbling, half crazed rechabite zealot going to the most popular pub and telling everyone – “all that alcohol will kill you!”… over and over and over…
All statues and structures featuring this obscenity must be torn down at once!
Absolutely!
As soon as you get here we can organise a few
dickheadspeople and get started … BYO sledge hammer (you’d have a few of them I bet)Did you check the Queensland motto “Audax at Fidelis”, brought to my attention during JBP’s “reign” of thuggery and deceit … means Audaciously We Fiddle … apparently … it has to go too …
Have you any idea what you sound like, ToM? Just read that last comment you wrote 😯
over and over and over…
The dead hand of the Unions ….. (you know, the ones who fought for something, anything, to help people over the incoming depression (even if all we got was a limp handout to businesses to .. maybe. pass it on))
But without them, we’d have had zilch
Regarding the arrest of the woman in pajamas…
Police alway choose soft targets. Did they warn this woman? Warning should have been the first step. Putting someone in handcuffs should be the last resort, reserved for those that have ignored warnings.
The police can’t cope when there’s 1% of people not complying, if non compliance gets to 5% it will be chaos.
Police deserve the heavy hand of reform.
“Have you any idea what you sound like, ToM?”
I suspect not.
Police alway choose soft targets
[facepalm]
“Have you any idea what you sound like, ToM?
Yes, a voice of rationality among a sea of irrational cheer club members
Actually you sound like this …
… a babbling, half crazed rechabite zealot going to the most popular pub and telling everyone – “all that alcohol will kill you!”… over and over and over…
Thanks TB. I think i may have previously mentioned-
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.
Oscar Wilde
Did you check the Queensland motto “Audax at Fidelis”, brought to my attention during JBP’s “reign” of thuggery and deceit … means Audaciously We Fiddle … apparently … it has to go too …
Actually it means “Bold but faithful”. But, whatever. 🙄
Thanks TB. I think i may have previously mentioned-
Ah, so you agree …
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Actually it means “Bold but faithful”. But, whatever.
er, you don’t think I know that, ToSY … duh
It came after the Labour leader, Sir Keir Starmer, raised serious concerns about Abbott’s suitability for the role – misgivings echoed by human rights groups Amnesty International and Liberty, the TUC, women’s equality body the Fawcett Society, and environmental campaigners Greenpeace.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/03/government-pressured-to-backtrack-on-trade-role-for-tony-abbott?CMP=share_btn_tw
Ah, so it’s not just Aussies who think he’s a dick then?
Couldn’t happen to a bigger dickhead really
I’m still completely flummoxed by the arrest and handcuffing of a pregnant woman in pajamas.
I find it difficult to believe this is how restrictions are enforced.
FMD, what country am I living in? Heavy handed arrest of a pregnant woman, handcuffing, and search-and-siezure of all computers and mobile devices – while her children literally hid under their beds. Meet the storm troopers of Dan Andrews’s secret police..
https://www.walk.com.au/wtw/Page.asp?PageID=339
Police Accountability And Oversight: An Overview, A.M. Gleeson AC, Chief Justice of the High Court of Australia
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I find it difficult to believe this is how restrictions are enforced.
restrictions?
Ms Buhler insists she did not realise the protest was illegal, given Ballarat’s stage-three restrictions, but is also unrepentant.
“I had a bit of a bimbo moment and I actually didn’t realise that it wasn’t okay,” she told 3AW on Thursday.
“I probably wouldn’t change anything to be honest.
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/vic/victorian-police-say-arrest-of-pregnant-woman-over-alleged-covid-protest-post-justified-but-looked-terrible-ng-b881656897z
To be fair, the story should be more about the danger she is putting her unborn baby in. And, compare and contrast with the BLM protesters being pepper sprayed, and the treatment this bimbo got for putting others at risk
“They have been polite. They have been professional. When the individual indicated she may be late for an appointment at the hospital, our members actually contacted the hospital and made arrangements for an alternative appointment.”
Yes Tony.
I’m not a supporter of the anti maskers, but i find that policing repulsive. And I’m shocked that police consider that to be a proportional response.
I’ve sent my email to the Police Minister and her political advisor, no doubt there will be lots who have done that. Good.
Were BLM protesters pepper sprayed in Victoria?
This woman was put in handcuffs, and hadn’t even been outside. She offered to take the post down.
It was heavy handed and disproportionate. But that’s how dumb bullies behave
“I’m still completely flummoxed by the arrest and handcuffing of a pregnant woman in pajamas.”
It was exceptional police work! Looks like a brilliant sting based on information supplied by Nicola Gobbo. I can’t believe they sent only three squad cars. And at great personal risk they did it without body armour and machine guns. Victorians are so lucky to be protected by these heroes. They are absolutely courageous against small women, especially pregnant women. And everyone understands that in dealing with leftist mobs or gangs of “youths” they need to stand down to avoid escalation.
Actually, Victorian police have been on the slide since they put that lazy stupid git Christine Nixon in charge. That fat pig preferred food over fighting fires. The police need a good clean-out. Step one is to fire anyone who has ever attended a diversity training course. If you attended one of those and didn’t quit in disgust you are definitely a rotten apple.
Naturally, Tom R says there’s nothing to see here. Labor can do no wrong!
Equally unsurprisingly, The Victorian Bar, Police Accountability Project, and Liberty Victoria all disagree with him.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/pregnant-ballarat-mum-blames-bimbo-moment-for-lockdown-protest-20200903-p55rz1.html
The left’s vociferous opposition to police bullying of a handcuffed pregnant woman in pajamas
Another day, another storm-trooper raid in the Socialist Republic of Victoria. This just happened.
I’m still completely flummoxed by the arrest and handcuffing of a pregnant woman in pajamas.
I find it difficult to believe this is how restrictions are enforced.
Based on what I saw (and read) … I tend to agree that the “operation” was overkill …
Be interested in any further “developments”.
I also tend to agree with TR, To be fair, the story should be more about the danger she is putting her unborn baby in.
I have always objected to children being taken to any protests union to greenpeace to BLM … seeking the empathy vote with kids woks the opposite way in most cases.
Another day, another storm-trooper raid in the Socialist Republic of Victoria. This just happened.
Who is Shadow?
“Trouble ‘t mill”
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/queensland/we-need-strong-border-controls-lnp-backs-queensland-closure-20200903-p55s12.html
Labor can do no wrong!
Not sure Labor run the cops tosy. In fact, Labor have been at the end of some very … compromised police actions.
This just happened.
And, you have an issue because …….. ?
Not sure Labor run the cops tosy.
Not sure you know anything about Responsible Government or Ministerial Accountability.
Police always prefer bullying to judgement. That’s how dumb bullies are programmed
And, you have an issue because …….. ?
SMFH! 🙄
SMFH
So, police with search warrants should be locked out, until the suspect deigns to let them in, is that how it works?
And yet the Unions are called Thugs ffs.
At least when Unions flaunt the law, it is to save people, not to act like pretentious little twats who are endangering the community at large
The left is always selective in it’s outrage over police behavior
The left is always selective in it’s outrage over police behavior
https://theguttertrash.com/2020/08/19/you-will-be-vaccinated/#comment-175328
tosy, try not use sam noman for ‘facts’. they’ll rarely help you out
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/worried-about-coronavirus-daniel-andrews-urges-victorians-to-avoid-black-lives-matter-rally
“The left is always selective in it’s outrage over police behavior”
To be fair, so have many on the other side.
“Victoria Police don’t think it is feasible to arrest or fine people for breaking COVID-19 rules at the Melbourne event, which more than 17,000 have said online they will attend.”
Selective policing. Rule of law is dead in Victoria – murdered by Kim Jong Dan.
Yes Tom R . It’s difficult to worry about thousands congregating against the law, so provide wise counsel
But when it comes to a pregnant woman in pajamas… lock her up! Handcuff!! Arrest!
She hadn’t even been out of the house!
Go Dan! This is going really well.
Here is Biden lying as usual:
He forgot to mention that Trump actually said:
“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally”
If only more people listened to what Pete Evans has to say we wouldn’t be in this state…
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See yaz at the Shroine…..!
Someone has dumped a whole lot of shit outside Newscorp’s HQ..
I’m sure the free speech brigade will get right behind this.
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8 coppers looking at a pile of shit out the front of @newscorpaus in Surrey Hills.
They’re wasting their time. Wasn’t there a pregnant woman in pajamas to handcuff?
She hadn’t even been out of the house!
You need to leave the house to break the law?
If #ZoeBuhler can be arrested and charged over a Facebook post critical of the government
If what she did was so fine and upstanding, why do they need to lie about it? If you can be ” charged over a Facebook post critical of the government” there wouldn’t be a murdoch employee left on the streets.
ffs, even sam noman knew when to stop. How stupid are these people?
Here’s what he actually said when allegedly “inciting” others:
Here’s what he actually said when allegedly “inciting” others:
Oh, was that “all”?
Mr Bartolo, who runs a conspiracy website called The Conscious Truth Network,
https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/conspiracist-james-bartolo-arrested-over-alleged-incitement-of-melbourne-antilockdown-protests/news-story/278048b159fbd5f84dbeecf0934f21dd
Facts tosy, they are available 😉
ffs, even sam noman knew when to stop. How stupid are these people?
Says the guy who vociferously defends a someone convicted of various serious assault charges
Says the guy who vociferously defends a someone convicted of various serious assault charges
yawn
“At least when Unions flaunt the law, it is to save people, not to act like pretentious little twats who are endangering the community at large”
Oh, so he runs a website critical of the government. That makes battering rams and handcuffs okay then? Do you even think before you write this shit?
“Oh, so he runs a website critical of the government.”
That’ll teach him. Any criticism of Dear Leader Dan is an act of war against the state!
Oh, so he runs a website critical of the government.
Facts tosy, you can get ’em right here 😉
Mr Bartolo runs the organisation The Conscious Truth Network, which is encouraging Victorians in lockdown to deliberately breach COVID-19 public health orders, including by passing lockdown checkpoints illegally and attending mass gatherings.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/the-bodybuilder-conspiracy-theorist-behind-a-group-pushing-covid19-checkpoint-breaches/news-story/b72355e0b73ed6d176eb92be203fe0c4
Tom R thinks the use of battering rams, handcuffs, search and seizure warrants, and heavy-handed arrests is a proportionate police response. 🤦♂️
(….why do they need to lie about it?….How stupid are these people?
Indeed; they should at least have the commonsense to aver unverifiably that an unknown person hacked their Irish YouInstaTwitFace account, for anything really iffy, which might interrupt their studies of applied legal professional ethics and/or (un)reasonable (mis)use(s) of (free) speech(-acts).)
Yeah!! It’s entirely understandable that we admire people that have been convicted of assault by kicking, serious assault… over a dozen times
But a pregnant woman in pajamas and handcuffs, well she’s a huge risk.
NO JUSTICE – NO PEACE! DEFUND THE VICTORIAN POLICE!
lol tosy
(Looks like he has just read The Age
Could beworse, I guess; TGIF.)
‘Not some misogynist pig’: Union chief John Setka defends accusations of sexism
How could anyone think such a thing?
https://www.theage.com.au/national/not-some-misogynist-pig-union-chief-john-setka-defends-accusations-of-sexism-20200904-p55sie.html
I saw John Setka in a shopping mall a few weeks back. He doesn’t look like a pleasant individual tbh.
That’s a surprise! I always comes across as so mellow.
I heard he has this on continuous loop
I can see ToSY and YoM…
Who are the others…
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Who are the others…
Herr Andrews’s storm troopers.
I think you’ll find a coalition of misfits, anarchists, libertarians and greens among anti maskers and anti vaxers.
I went shopping today in Sydney. Lots of people around. Lots of traffic on the road. Things look normal except for people wearing masks and hand sanitisers when you enter a shop
Thank Neil. It really cheers us up, here in Melbourne, knowing that the rest of Australia is out enjoying themselves.
Here’s my tip for tomorrow’s changes in restrictions-
* 72 minutes of fresh air per day, PLUS an addition 30 minutes on your birthday
* I’m not visiting my father on father’s day
* Christmas Day will be celebrated once the 7 day average is less that 0
* “stay the course ”
* “no game of golf is worth a human life ”
* handcuffs will not be used on pregnant women in pajamas, in most cases, probably not. I’m advised.
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Must be some kind of RWNJ organisation:
https://melbactivistlegal.org.au/2020/09/03/where-does-mals-sit-with-all-these-anti-lockdown-protests/
That’s a typical opinion from an organisation advocating the standard left/green/RWNJ/human rights agenda.
Dan just announced the way forward and the summary is-
WE’RE F***ED
I must admit i would not like to be in govt right now. No matter what you do somebody will criticize. I guess the problem is if the virus is as bad as some people think and say 5,000 people die the blood will be on the head of the politician who relaxes restrictions.
I think Tom R and TB will be along shortly to tell us that this is all the fault of Murdoch or Abbott or Morrison or anyine except the Victorian government
ToM
What would you do if you were Andrews? Govt is a tough job. Perhaps Andrews has information we don’t have access to which makes him do his policies????
Perhaps Andrews has information we don’t have access to which makes him do his policies????
Not really Neil. He’s got a few mediocre health bureaucrats advising him. Whereas 500 actual practicing doctors signed this letter:
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/victorian-doctors-pen-desperate-letter-to-dan-andrews-about-controversial-state-of-emergency-bill/news-story/477352005ec852b6dd4b0e8f31f97441
Any competent manager knows that you don’t send untrained , inexperienced people into a contagious and hazardous environment. But the Andrews Government did just that.
And they knew it was contagious and hazardous, because Andrews had continuously told us that.
So i resentfully comply with the restrictions because it is what we have to do.
But people should understand that Victoria is in this debacle because of the decisions and actions of the incompetent state government.
Like i said. I am glad i am not a politician in govt. I think if i was in power i would just role over and surrender. So many conflicting opinions and some people say this and some people say that.
But here in Sydney where i live things seem normal. Traffic everywhere, Supermarkets full of people, most shops open. But lots of people wearing masks and hand sanitisers at most shops.
I am hoping to pick up lots of things at half price because people hordered so much stuff.
(Pre/post-Jim’s Mowing’s lawn (dis)order:
[R]estrictions upon basic freedoms such as movement and gatherings are sometimes necessary and can be entirely ‘lawful’. As human rights advocates, activists, and lawyers, we also understand–as Amnesty International Australia and Victoria’s Human Rights Commission have pointed out–the temporary and proportional limitation of rights for clear public health purposes is permissible on human rights grounds, similar to compulsory seatbelts or cordons being placed around a burning building……..MALS recognises that this COVID-19 pandemic is a real and serious threat to public health and the health system’s ability to cope, and without these measures, we would be facing a far-higher death rate than we have so far. MALS is not against the public health restrictions, but we do want them applied fairly, proportionately, and only for as long as absolutely necessary….Protests that are organised safely should be given the same sort of consideration and allowances as business and commercial activities….We know there’s a lot of anti-lockdown protest activity going on and we are seeing a growing anti-lockdown narrative online and within our own social media feeds….To compare living with public health restrictions as akin to the life-threatening reality of authoritarian or dictatorial governments is also inaccurate and naive. Many MALS members and activists we routinely work with, have lived inside or have worked in actual dictatorships. Victoria is not one….We have noticed the surge in so-called ‘sovereign citizen’ stances and challenges to public health restrictions—often trying to use very far-fetched and incorrect understandings of the law….Add the huge amount of baseless conspiracy misinformation on the Internet that feeds upon both rational and irrational fears, and it’s no surprise people want to protest the lockdown….The use of the charge of ‘incitement’ against people organising or proposing any protest events as well as house raids and confiscations needs to be broadly condemned no matter where we stand. The charge of Incitement is a repressive tool that could easily be used preemptively against any protest organisers where police think a crime ‘might’ be committed. That’s a huge concern….protests, even those we don’t agree with, should be able to proceed without pre-emptive charges, house raids, excessive and unlawful police violence, use of police weapons or other forms of human rights abuses….We believe that this sort of policing as well as the over-emphasis on police-led and punitive responses to COVID-19 have increased the perception of unfairness in Victoria, and have also increased the likelihood of a backlash and misplaced resistance. The Victorian Government and Victoria Police should take some responsibility for this.)
I always comes across as so mellow.</I.
hahahahahahahaha!
I think Tom R and TB will be along shortly to tell us that this is all the fault of Murdoch or Abbott or Morrison or anyine except the Victorian government
Nup … its the fault of Mexicans like you who can’t follow simple rules … suck it up princess! Is amazing what happens if you do!
(Whereas 500 actual practicing doctors signed this letter:
Good to know.)
Here we have a government that said the virus was so deadly and contagious that-
* golf was dangerous
* fishing in the open air was too risky
* sitting on the beach could kill people
…but while they were saying all that, they sent untrained people to work in a dangerously infectious workplace .
Now other states (the ones that allowed all those deadly golfing, fishing and leisure activities) are recovering and getting on with life.
But Victoria continues to be locked up
Whereas 500 actual practicing doctors signed this letter
500? The article mentions 13? Did you round by Q or something?
I see scotties building a cubby house he already built back in June? It’s kind of a visual for his emergency measures isn’t it. All announcement, no action.
(It’s kind of a visual for his emergency measures isn’t it.
Not really?)
really ivi, from all news, that mother, who has now had her child, is still living in a van
He’s just not real good at following through with his announcements.
Which, as we speak, I hear we a vaccine deal .. again? Wonder if this one is all bullshit too?
Antifa moron sets self on fire with mostly peaceful molotv cocktail. Shame the cunt didn’t die but at least he was good for a laugh!
3 years later, and the lolstrayan still spouts bullshit about it (just like some slow witted posters do too)
500? The article mentions 13? Did you round by Q or something?
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6188159219001
Go Victoria. Winning!
yea tosy, I reckon sky news is using your multiplier
I counted them here.
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2020/09/a-doctors-open-letter-to-daniel-andrews/
yea tosy, I reckon sky news is using your multiplier
FMD! 🙄 Hear it from Dr Wells himself then:
https://m.facebook.com/CraigKellyMP/videos/367399754428789/?vh=e&extid=iqcZHELMpx7zzYE0&d=t
So is Emma Alberici arguing that tax be paid on revenue or profit?
Does she know much about aircraft acquisition, operations and maintenance costs?
So is Emma Alberici arguing that tax be paid on revenue or profit?
[facepalm]
“Journalists who should have known better continue to say I confused profit and income because I had the temerity to point out that over 10yrs Qantas brought in income of $100 billion but managed (legally) to reduce taxable income to zero. That is an undisputed fact.”
Its not temerity she has so much as sheer stupidity. And by making the above statement, the dunce shows she still hasn’t learned the difference. If she did actually know the difference then it makes her statement dishonest. It may be an “undisputed fact” but it is irrelevant to knowing whether or not .
To discuss the reasonableness of the amount of tax payable you need to first identify the taxable income, not gross income. If her point was that deductions were too high then she should say why. It looks like she was trying to conflate gross income with taxable income (which is the tax system’s version of profit).
For example NBN Co has over a billion dollars a year of income but pays no tax because its deductions exceed its income.
A more intelligent approach would be to compare accounting profit with taxable income. If there is a large difference then there still may be a sensible reason for it (such as carry forward losses or accelerated depreciation). If not then you should try to work out if there are any shenanigans going on.
Screechy’s statement does not give enough information to draw a conclusion about Qantas’ tax affairs. She just wanted to make Qantas look bad. Gaslighting pure and simple. So typical of ABC yellow journalism.
….knowing whether or not it is unreasonable for Qantas to pay no tax in the relevant years.
She just wanted to make Qantas look bad. Gaslighting pure and simple. So typical of ABC yellow journalism.
Exactly. It’s a left agenda, they hate Qantas because Joyce figured out how to push back on one or 2 of the unions
It looks like she was trying to conflate gross income with taxable income
No, she is highlighting that “taxable income” is a variable that is gamed by bigger companies, who can bring that value down to zero if they game the system correctly, and since that has been brought down to zero already, the only other simple number available is gross income
You want to ignore the conversation altogether by claiming, incorrectly, that she doesn’t understand it. Your problem is that she understands it all too well, as does a growing number of plebs who are paying higher and higher rates of taxes from a diminishing income themselves
“No, she is highlighting that “taxable income” is a variable that is gamed by bigger companies, who can bring that value down to zero if they game the system correctly, “
So how did NBN Co game the system?
“You want to ignore the conversation altogether “
I don’t want to ignore it. I told you how to have a sensible conversation about this – compare accounting profit and tax income. If they are significantly different and you can’t rule out the innocent explanations then you might be on to something. If Screechy actually had a brain she might have done this.
Also she wouldn’t have been whining about listed trusts not paying tax. Even one lousy brain cell might have led her to the realisation that it is the unit holders, not the trust that is liable for the tax.
And how did Qantas “game the system”?
* cyclical airline industry
* price and demand pressure with Virgin
* set up and support of Jetsrar
* unprofitable international routes
* purchase of a new generation of aircraft
Just explain what the “gaming” is in that.
Footballers. Is there anything they don’t know? 🤣
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-dane-swan-torches-victorian-premier-daniel-andrews/news-story/0b25cd7584b2f6d7b2575ca81c6023a8
So how did NBN Co game the system?
They rebuilt the system so that no matter what they do, they could never even operate at a profit. They don’t need to game it, they are now a loss making company, thanks malcum
If Screechy actually had a brain she might have done this.
already been done
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/qantas-46-billion-zero-tax-neat-timing-caper/
But Alberici think companies like Qantas should pay tax, regardless of their profitability. Do you agree?
Should nbn?
What the fuck is this Michael West person on about? That article makes no sense. Qantas booked a taxable profit but paid no tax – because it had accumulated losses to carry over from previous years. So fucking what? Is he saying Qantas did something wrong? If that’s what he’s saying he shouldn’t be writing about business or tax – because on those matters he’s completely illiterate.
yomm, try to keep up.
tosy, see the bits about “Adjusted for Temporary Differences” and “revenue received in advance” tosy
No, he’s not saying the did something ‘wrong’, as in, it’s all perfectly legal
AND THAT’S THE PROBLEM!
(It sure aint ‘moral’ though, except if it’s just about shareholders, and not the country you are skiving off)
So it’s ok for ABC reporters to campaign about tax policy, and other political issues? Or only the ones you like?
“already been done”
Yeah. But not by Screechy – she’s too dumb.
Also I note the following point in west’s article:
“In any case, Qantas is not at the top of our Big Tax List because tax losses are a reasonable excuse for not paying tax.”
Yes… an Australian company is-
* fending off a fierce overseas owned competitor
* establishing a subsidiary to compete, as well as provide a different range of services and prices
* under attack from unions, who do not make high cost claims on the overseas competitor
* renewing it’s fleet to be less carbon intensive and cost effective in the longer term
…and it therefore isn’t profitable for a few years.
So… what’s the reaction of the ABC and left??
It’s a tax dodger!!
So it’s ok for ABC reporters to campaign about tax policy
It’s kind of their job description to examine policies, I mean, they are journalists.
If you call presenting what is an obviously unfair system as …. unfair, perhaps that’s the systems issue, not the journalists
(It sure aint ‘moral’ though
Oh, we’re back to that ridiculous ‘argument’ again. Just as well we have the rule of law, and not rule by what some group or other thinks is ‘moral’, or rule by the whim of a king or dictator. Except in Victoria of course.😳
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/coronavirus-australia-gloves-off-as-scott-morrison-slams-premier-daniel-andrews-on-road-map/news-story/844c06e5c49168f7f9e3c3fc1c717db5
If this isn’t POLITICAL BLACKMAIL I don’t know what is … NSW is the fucking “gold standard” … try Queensland, oh wait, it too has a Labor Premier (and the LNP opposition leader has endorsed hard borders BTW!)
Shouldn’t the Federal Government be offering assistance with testing and anything else? Just what has Sooty and the Puppet Bear Club actually done to curb this pandemic that is POSITIVE (giving away money and confusion does not count) … all the Feds want to do is roast Dan Andrews – for political gain … absolutely disgusting behaviour for any Australian … as for NSW … the Ruby Princess seems to be a ghost ship these days … both the NSW Health Dept and BORDER FORCE and Potato Head, fucked up mightily! Shhhhh …
As far as I’m concerned each and EVERY State Premier has shown more compassion, reasoning, fortitude, determination, communication and management skills than anyone on the Federal
GovernmentRabble’s LNP front bench …And I also recognise the “sacrifice” that 90% of Victorians who have made a concerted effort to join the rest of Oz … We Are One … the 10% always have the choice …
Just as well we have the rule of law,
And that is the crux. The laws need to change, because they’ve been changed too much to favour the businesses
NSW is the fucking “gold standard”
potatoehead and his goons were busy blaming everything on NSW a few months ago. Now they’ve got Andrews to blame it all on.
It’s almost like there’s a pattern here?
That’s fine. You can disagree with laws all you want, but how can anybody – particularly that Michael West fuckwit – condemn people or companies for following them?
And I despair at the lack of grammar and spelling skills of Australian journalists …
condemn people or companies for following them?
Yea, “is more what you’d call guidelines”than actual rules”, right 😉
He said Qantas had fully complied with the spirit of JobKeeper, and that there was no way to pay back the $267 million it received from the scheme in the 2020 financial year.
https://www.afr.com/companies/transport/qantas-fires-back-at-twu-over-alternative-facts-20200907-p55t8r
As you say TB- suck it up princess
And I despair at the lack of grammar and spelling skills of Australian journalist
Maybe the ground had a funny looking shape left in it?
Yeah! Andrews has a great track record in dealing with covid 19
Yeah! Andrews has a great track record in dealing with covid 19
At least it’s nowhere near as bad as the aged care sectors record
Have you noticed anyone arguing that aged care has been well handled by the federal government?
But Victoria is a health and economic basket case, because the Andrews Government was negligent in their oversight of hotel isolation . And there are plenty about that are trying to find excuses for them.
Have you noticed anyone arguing that aged care has been well handled by the federal government?
According to our pm, aged care is a state responsibility when the shit hits the fan
At least it’s nowhere near as bad as the aged care sectors record
Almost all Covid cases and deaths in aged care occurred in Victoria. You were saying?
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/covid-19-cases-in-aged-care-services-residential-care
You were saying?
That the Federal Government is responsible for aged care. You remember when the pm had to go running to the Premier asking for nurses to look after the people he cut resources to, and who he failed to adequately prepare for what they by then knew was coming.
No Remorse!
Another shriveled husk crawls out to try and rewrite their vile history
That the Federal Government is responsible for aged care.
Yes, but all other states and territories have been okay. The feds run them too, don’t they? The difference is Victoria bungled hotel quarantine, community transmission exploded, and all cases – including those in aged care – skyrocketed. How else do you explain the fact that almost every aged care case happened in Victoria?
At least they didn’t get the door knock in the middle of the night.
Yes, but all other states and territories have been okay
yea, right 😉
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-23/four-corners-newmarch-house-coronavirus-australia/12345726?nw=0
‘It doesn’t matter what race, what religion, what nationality you are from. Cricket is a game for everyone,
Yea, like them pussies that wouldn’t play in South Africa, hey?
yea, right 😉
Correct. ICYMI:
Total aged care cases:
Victoria: 1,189
NSW: 61
Qld: 1
Tas:1
Other states and territories: nil
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/covid-19-cases-in-aged-care-services-residential-care
“New South Wales isn’t the gold standard. New South Wales is lucky.”
What a stupid fucking retard he is. That fuckwit was advocating a nationwide hard lockdown from the beginning. What a monumental Fuckwit he is. Imagine the fucking economic mess we would have been in.
The facts are NSW 14 area health precincts has resulted in each area taking “ownership” of each outbreak.
NSW has even had to lend Victoria contact tracing personnel because they were good at it
Swan is a bigger fuckwit than his namesake that used to be treasurer.
Why the fuck does the ABC ned a doctor on the payroll especially a fuckwit like him ?
New South Wales is lucky.
Yes. Lucky Daniel Andrews is not ‘running’ the show.
LOL
Yeah or we’d be in lockdown.
When he is told his targets would have NSW in lockdown right now he keeps telling everyone that Victoria is different but wont say why it is different
Oh yeah. Slippery Andrews came up with the ridiculous term “mystery cases” to try to brush over the fact his contract tracers couldn’t work out the source.
Victoria’s High-tech contract tracing method consists of a phone call, then, if nobody answers, someone drives round and knocks on the door (the wrong door in a large number of cases)
We all know Contact Tracing in Victoria has failed
Wasn’t there an app for that, some sort of sunscreen thingy we were told made us invincible?
Who was telling us that again?
Wasn’t there an app for that
Yeah, the app’s useless. Somehow NSW has managed to be
the gold standardlucky anyway.Considering they made the same mistakes as Victoria, then yes.
Considering they made the same mistakes as Victoria
Guffaw!
Andrews just announced he’s sending some people to Sydney to learn how NSW is doing contact tracing. No doubt they’ll discover NSW has just been lucky.😂🤣
It was a Republican, Dwight Eisenhower, who warned about the dangers of the Military Industrial Complex, and expanded version of which is today called The Swamp. Unlike all his predecessors Trump has not started any wars and is willing to stand up to military hawks. Unsurprisingly former generals who were and are major beneficiaries of said complex are lining up against Trump.
Sadly it seems that it is too much to expect Trump haters to consider even for a moment whether Trump might on some occasions get things right.
Here is Eisenhower on the problem Trump is trying to address:
“We have turned one of the greatest cities in the world to a dystopian hellscape with no end in sight.”
Whoever wrote that’s obviously never been to Queensland.
Luck.
I’m not sure at what point “should we listen to experts” became a “left vs right” thing, but it’s been an interesting development.
Which were the “experts” that advised the state government to send untrained, inexperienced people into a contagious and hazardous workplace?
As a proud Melbournian, I found this a bit hard to watch.
Just back from a lovely lunch just down the road at the Newport Arms. Unusually the outdoor area was open today as usually only open Fridays and weekends. A couple of beers in the beer garden in the spring sun with dogs tied up with water in the shade nearby.
Then a nice bottle of shiraz with a mate whilst Mrs Walrus and his partner enjoyed some bubbles followed by a NZ sauv/blanc.
Lovely seafood platter for lunch. Quite a few people about enjoying themselves.
Went for a stroll along the beach to finish up then caught a dog friendly Uber home
What a lovely day it was
I’m just glad Dan is not in charge here
Whoever wrote that’s obviously never been to Queensland.
I know what you’re doing … you haven’t been for some time would guess …
I’m just glad Dan is not in charge here
Complacency is the killer … Vic reducing – NSW climbing …
In Queensland we are a bit more careful …
Trip to Uncle Dan’s today (Murphy’s not Andrews) … park car, hand cleaner, mask, shop, spray in car and mask (’tis washable) Glen 20, hand cleaner – home …
Trump has not started any wars
That’s true but he has put US AND Australian military personnel at risk …
And his rhetoric may just cause a war …
BTW you need to actually comprehend what Eisenhower said …
History records the late entry of the USA into both world wars …
And for the record the wars we have been involved in are either for profit and/or religious ideology …
It is also true that soldiers (rarely) want war … but will follow orders from the political (stuck for a nice word) … ask the 6000 Australian Veterans now living on our streets!
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September 8, 2020 8:50 am
They stand for the Red Ensign? Flown by ships and boats? Ignorance is bliss.
At least they didn’t get the door knock in the middle of the night.
If you check the story (rather a tweet) Bill Birtles did late at night … not sure about Michael Smith …
Victoria is f***ed.
We’re lucky that other states haven’t yet figured out that they will be carrying us for years.
Thanks Dan
was offered the same Covid tracing technology
What, they got a newer white board?
https://www.smh.com.au/national/critics-of-victoria-s-contact-tracing-system-misunderstand-some-key-facts-20200908-p55tju.html
The mood music makes it 🙂
What, they got a newer white board?
Dunno. I’m sure Andrews’s mission will find out though.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/coronavirus/extended-lockdown-to-cost-a-quarter-of-a-million-jobs/news-story/5b7f990ba089a602a1f4a3b7d9cea31b
FMD! So we’re in lockdown with a curfew like f***ing 10 year olds because it’s convenient for the police!!
Since when do we govern society on the basis of making the job of those f***ing stupid fat lazy bullies easier!
So much for Dan’s bullshit about ‘the best scientific and medical advice”
What a fuckwit.
I’m sure Andrews’s mission will find out though.
It does make you wonder why all of sudden morrison started calling it ‘Gold Standard’ doesn’t it. Almost as if he knew what was about to happen … 😉
So much for Dan’s bullshit about ‘the best scientific and medical advice”
Could be because it still is the best available. Not like this imaginary 500 drs we have never seen or heard from. Imagine if the State didn’t have to bankroll getting the Feds outta the shit? They have already had their health budget slashed by the libs, and now, they need to spread them to cover the Feds own jurisdiction.
Almost as if he knew what was about to happen … 😉
Or, more likely, Andrews was shamed into conceding Victoria’s contract tracing isn’t fit for purpose.
Andrews was shamed into conceding Victoria’s contract tracing isn’t fit for purpose.
Finding out what others are doing is always important. Not fit for purpose is perhaps taking it a bit far, especially if we find out it it is in fact quite good, and all the ‘rumours’ turn out to be as accurate as the rooting security guards and the lie that the AFP were ever even offered to the Vics.
Seems interesting that, once those were all exposed as lies, they’ve moved on to health professionals to blame again, as they once blamed the Gold Standard professionals back when duttons mob let the bloody virus in in the first place.
One thing is consistent though, the blame is always elsewhere.
I present the role models for the brave Victorian police:
Actually the violent bullying probably stems from the fact that in both cases the thugs serve incompetent communist masters!
Actually the violent bullying probably stems from the fact that in both cases the thugs serve incompetent communist masters!
Commies are right next to fascists remember
WTF??? Leftist cuntrag the Guardian journalists to testify against Assange!!! Surely anyone interested in press freedom would be supporting Assange, especially news organisations.
Tom R, that is what happens when the authorities fail to keep thugs off the streets. If the Democrat mayors and governors won’t keep law and order then there will be vigilantes in the streets and even more violence.
This is really interesting:
Tom R, that is what happens when the authorities fail to keep thugs off the streets.
We talking about China, Victoria, or the States here? 😉
Tom R, when there are BLM/Antifa rioters attacking peoples homes, attacking them when they are out in restaurants (on the instructions of Democrats), do you really think people will not try to defend themselves? In Democrat run cities the police certainly won’t keep order. There have been over a hundred nights of violence in Portland while the police look on.
There have been over a hundred nights of violence in Portland while the police look on.
Most of what I have seen in the form of violence is from trumps fascists, so, not sure what your argument is?
Has anyone noticed that the schools being closed are overwhelmingly private?
FMD .,..
Exactly what I predicted yesterday! Over-reaching … decision making without any facts – just how businesses go broke …
Now, how can we twist this, to blame Dan the Man?
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/health/shock-setback-in-vaccine-australia-bought/news-story/1a5ed8bef2d58f840b71da8a135ac814
“Most of what I have seen in the form of violence is from trumps fascists, so, not sure what your argument is?”
So you are saying that the rioters on the streets of Portland every night are Trump supporters? Its been over a hundred nights. Their goal is to kill and maim as many police as possible and you think they are Trump supporters?
So you are saying that the rioters on the streets of Portland every night are Trump supporters
Reading Comprehension splats, maybe do an online course or something 😉
decision making without any facts
To be fair TB, we do need to be planning for a vaccine, and all trials will have set backs. Having said that, saying shit like ‘we have a deal’ when we don’t have a fucking deal is just typical of the bullshit we expect from this mob
Yep, those nasty commies. Or was it fascists, it’s so hard to tell these days
Australia’s domestic intelligence agency has refused to confirm or deny reports in Chinese state media that agents questioned Chinese journalists and searched their property in late June.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2020/sep/09/coronavirus-australia-latest-update-victoria-nsw-contact-tracing-hotel-inquiry-health-business-economy-scott-morrison-daniel-andrews?page=with:block-5f5827eb8f087b90a29903e9#block-5f5827eb8f087b90a29903e9
“Most of what I have seen in the form of violence is from trumps fascists, so, not sure what your argument is?”
Yes that is sooooo obvious and to top it off its being supported by Kamala Harris supporting getting those Trump supporters out on bail…………….
It’s logical
Former ALP Minister Stephen Conroy on Victorian Chief Medical Officer Brett Sutton
“He needs to stop doing media appearances and start reading files on his desk and he really does deserve to have an absolute caning behind the scenes for his loose talk,”
“ If I had been in the room when my chief medical officer had stood up and said ‘oh no we didn’t really do the modelling out six weeks, it was a bit of guess work’, I mean this bloke needs more than a media advisor to help him at the moment, he is star-struck, loving the media spotlight.
“Well mate, get on and do your job, read your files and start getting to the nitty-gritty of the issues you’ve been supervising.”
I’d just like to know the medical qualifications of the commissioner of police.
Because if he isn’t an expert in medicine or science, Dan’s been bullshitting us.
How surprising.
“Most of what I have seen in the form of violence is from trumps fascists, so, not sure what your argument is?”
Looks like selective blindness then.
but some very smart doctors have.
Says the stupidest man around.
hmm Tony Blakely you say? plus the “COVID doctors network”, who remain unsearchable, yet with apparent(?) rising numbers?
Tony Blakely, University of Melbourne professor of epidemiology:
“If we do our contact tracing better than we did three months ago, the contact tracers may be able to hold the case count without it going up again as badly as our model suggests.
“I’m sick of lockdown, I want to get out of it too, but unfortunately if you come out of lockdown too early, too fast, the chance of the third wave by Christmas is pretty high – about 60 per cent.
“There are ways we can beat the model. We can do better.”>/i>
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/epidemiologists-react-to-victoria-s-road-map-out-of-stage-four-lockdown-20200907-p55tam.html
Nasty, bad commists!
plus the “COVID doctors network”, who remain unsearchable, yet with apparent(?) rising numbers?
Yes, and expect the numbers to keep rising as more and more doctors ask where they can sign on. Chairman Dan listens to his little cadre of mediocre health bureaucrats but ignores everyone else. What a myopic fuckwit he is.
Yes, and expect the numbers to keep rising as more and more random numbers are added to the tally 😉
Sorry, but I’ll keep questioning this until I see a link, not vapid claims, which these days turn out to be bullshit in the light of day.
All I’ve seen is a letter with a dozen names. If Karens were Doctors….
How fucking deluded is this bloke ?
Dan Andrew’s fuck up will cost the Australian Taxpayer billions in welfare into the future and this stupid cunt thinks the rest of Australia should be grateful ?
Our medical and scientific expert. The curfew is at the absolute cutting edge of scientific knowledge and political integrity
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTVbwf89zHgfBvkyolBH3nUR6Y3gMIBcievHQ&usqp=CAU
I see there’s been another shark attack.
Can’t Dan Andrews get anything right?
Can’t Dan Andrews get anything right?
Nah! reb, this is Anna’s fault … they think they sorted out Desperate Dan and now they’re trying to lob rocks at Anna P and Qld’s hard borders … NSW pollies led by Gladys playing from the National LNP Party Play Pallet … the right wing politics in this shit is so bleeding obvious its become tedious … they would make a priest denounce god if it kept them in power …
Currently reading, George R.R. Martin’s – “Fire & Blood” – all we need is the Iron Throne and a dragon or two …
Profit over People …
Let’s build a WALL!
Wait for the howling …
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/09/new-laws-in-queensland-mean-priests-no-longer-protected-by-seal-of-confession
All I can say is YES! YES! and about fucking time!
The NOW generation … will soon be the DEATH of us all … is it a race between Covid and Xiping?
Love to see the history in 50* years …
Dishonest as well as incompetent and negligent
Premier Daniel Andrews is facing calls to lift Melbourne’s controversial COVID-19 curfew after confirming the decision to impose a night-time stay-at-home direction was introduced only to make it easier for police to enforce the general lockdown.
Mr Andrews confirmed earlier comments from the state’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton that the curfew decision was not based on his advice, nor that of health officials.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/coronavirus-australia-live-news-andrews-tracing-interview-refusal-claims-debunked/news-story/7412631352ce72999cb3cc93501984ed
Stop blaming politicians/China/WHO/Victoria for the Covid 19 pandemic. The UN has spoken – it’s the patriarchy stupid!
Conspiracy time. Or, just A Series of Unfortunate Events?
You know, his best mates been banned on twitter for spouting #qanon garbage.
His wife had a phito taken using a racist symbol with Meghan Markle
and now, a strange choice in hats
Yes, just A Series of Unfortunate Events. 😉
And since Q is the 17th letter of the alphabet, his followers attach special significance to that number.
https://www.itv.com/news/2018-11-22/lucky-17-q-and-the-tippy-top-president-how-conspiracy-theories-are-being-turbo-charged-into-donald-trumps-america
I see our government are still protecting the grifters they have fattened with our tax dollars
A real conspiracy, no longer a theory, Tom R, is where the Clinton campaign made up a pack of lies about Trump Russia collusion and worked with the the FBI who used fraudulently obtained warrants to spy on a sitting president.
My pet peeve is the abuse of the VET FEE-HELP system. Grifters have ripped-off hundreds of millions of dollars through their scams.
yea splats, lies, damn lies, and facts
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/senate-russia-report-proves-trump-was-wrong-mueller-was-right-ncna1237743
Interesting how the commists portray Dan Andrews as a Commist isn’t it?
Boffins costly blunder
Thought it was going to be about a $60 billion JobKeeper “miscalculation”
Thought it was going to be about a $60 billion JobKeeper “miscalculation”
Yeah nah, that wasn’t costly though, quite the opposite. 🤣
that wasn’t costly though, quite the opposite
except of course for all those people who got left out because … we couldn’t afford it.
Which makes me wonder still if it was a bug, or a feature?
“lies, damn lies, and facts”
The facts Tom R are that the Clinton Dossier was almost entirely false, there was no collusion between Trump and Russia and the FBI lied repeatedly to the FISA court to get warrants to spy on the Trump campaign.
The facts Tom R are that
Yes, yes, but what you fail to take into account is Tom R gets his “news” from outlets like The Grauniad, so what hope has he got?
yea splats, sure 😉
With over 200 witness interviews and roughly 1 million documents reviewed, the nearly 1,000-page report documents in detail the comprehensive campaign conducted by Russian President Vladimir Putin and his proxies to seek influence within President Donald Trump’s campaign, help Trump win the 2016 presidential election and amplify polarization and division within American society.
Far from a hoax, as the president so often claimed, the report reveals how the Trump campaign willingly engaged with Russian operatives implementing the influence effort. For instance, the report exposes interactions and information exchanged between Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik and then-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.
(from my above link)
Yeah I read that Tom R. Would you tell me what the collusion was?
What I said above was that “the Clinton campaign made up a pack of lies ” That much is absolutely true.
Why didn’t the article you linked to explain that Kilimnik was a former business partner of Manafort and also a person who the Obama State department sought information from and provided information to?
“The Senate report does not give a complete picture to the Obama-era State Department contacts where information was shared two ways with Kilimnik and Manafort,” said a U.S. intelligence source directly familiar with Russia intelligence and Kilimnik’s dealings with State. “Either this is as serious for State as it was for Trump and there needs to be a damage assessment, or the Senate report is overstating the concerns about Kilimnik for political effect.”
A second U.S. official agreed the State Department emails obtained by Just the News likely merited a damage assessment if Kilimnik truly was a Russian intelligence officer. “If you have a verified contact with someone suspected of being an intelligence officer or working with a hostile foreign service, you usually have to do a damage assessment,” the source said.”
knock yerself out
The question turns almost entirely on what one means by the term “collusion”—a word without any precise meaning in the context of campaign engagement with foreign actors interfering with an election.
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Whether one describes this activity as collusion or not, there’s a lot of it: The report describes hundreds of actions by Trump, his campaign, and his associates in the run-up to the 2016 election that involve some degree of participation by Trump or his associates in Russian activity.
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Our own conclusions are notably closer to those of the Democrats than to those of the Republicans. To read these thousand pages and come away with the conclusion that they amount to evidence of “no collusion” really involves a protestation of faith, not a dispassionate assessment of presented evidence. As we said at the outset, debating what constitutes “collusion” is not worth anyone’s time, given that the word has no agreed-upon meaning in this context and that to say that there was none of it doesn’t answer in any event the more important question of what the facts amount to. Here are the conclusions we believe the Intelligence Committee’s evidence supports:
The Trump campaign and Donald Trump himself were certainly aware in real time of Russian efforts to intervene in the 2016 presidential election. The campaign had a heads-up that Russia had stolen Democratic emails. And Russian operatives sought and received a meeting with senior Trump campaign officials promising “dirt” on Trump’s opponent. As the campaign wore on, and the Russian efforts were increasingly made public, Trump personally and publicly encouraged them.
The Trump campaign was run for a time by a man with an ongoing business relationship with a Russian intelligence operative, to whom he gave proprietary internal polling data.
The Trump campaign did not discourage Russian activity on its behalf. In fact, it sought repeatedly to coordinate its messaging around WikiLeaks releases of information. The campaign, and Trump personally, sought to contact WikiLeaks to receive information in advance about releases and may well have succeeded.
The campaign sought to obtain disparaging information about Hillary Clinton from actors who either were Russian operatives or it believed were Russian operatives. It did so through a number of means—some of these efforts were direct. Some were indirect.
The Russian government and affiliated actors clearly regarded the Trump campaign as a prime target for influence and recruitment. Russia targeted a diverse array of people associated with Trump for contact and engagement through an astonishing variety of avenues. Some of these attempts were rebuffed. Many of them were successful. The result was a sustained degree of engagement between the campaign, and later the transition, and Russian officials and cutouts.
Trump’s personal and business history in Russia provided a significant opportunity for kompromat. Such material was very likely collected. There is less evidence that it was ever deployed, though Trump’s mere awareness of his vulnerability gives rise to substantial counterintelligence concerns.
Trump’s active pursuit of business deals in Russia while running for president and denying any such deals created significant counterintelligence risk.
Trump’s campaign, and later transition, were filled with a remarkable number of people who had secret interactions with Russian actors, about which they lied either in real time or in retrospect.
All of this activity, particularly cumulatively, amounts to a grave set of counterintelligence concerns, in which any number of Trump campaign figures—including the candidate himself—exposed themselves to potential coercive pressure from an adversary foreign actor.
Trump to this day will not criticize Russian President Vladimir Putin or acknowledge unambiguously Russian intervention in the 2016 election.
We will leave it to others to debate what words best summarize this picture.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/collusion-reading-diary-what-did-senate-intelligence-committee-find
Lawfare! Guffaw! That pile of pablum is a nothingburger. Benji Wittless and his Lawfare cowboys stretch the definition of collusion until it is meaningless, make up a lot of crap and then say “there you have it”.
And it doesn’t address my original statement that the Clinton campaign and their operatives assembled a fake dossier (by having Christopher Steel collude with Russians) and gulled the FBI into investigating Trump. The FBI then fraudulently conned the FISA court to authorise them to spy on the Trump administration.
Some allegations have been corroborated, others remain unverified, and a court ruled that one of the claims was “inaccurate and misleading” and stated another claim was inaccurate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier
What is undeniable, is that Trump used Russian interference to win an American election.
(Lawfare! Guffaw! That pile of pablum is a nothingburger. Benji Wittless and his Lawfare cowboys stretch the definition of collusion until it is meaningless, make up a lot of crap and then say “there you have it”.
Yeah; I’m just glad that virtually-immortal, poly-locational/trans-national, liability-limited legal fictions with an otherwise-inexplicable interest in lobbying, donations, personnel-swaps, and increasingly-cosy publicprivate partnerships are merely seeking to preserve their statuses quo as law-abiding people-too.)
Luckily we are not limited to the usual Wikipedia BS. The DOJ Inspector General also has a look at the Dossier:
Corroboration Zero’: An Inspector General’s Report Reveals the Steele Dossier Was Always a Joke
Most of the information in the dossier which was correct was publicly available and innocuous. All the major allegations in the Dossier were just Democrat lies:
* Carter Page wasn’t promised billions in Rosneft shares;
* Michael Cohen did not go to Prague to meet with Soviet Agents;
* Trump did not have a back channel to Putin via an Alfa Bank server;
* Trump didn’t have a golden shower party on Obama’s bed (I was desperately hoping the one was true).
All the major allegations in the Dossier were just Democrat lies
Take Me Home Country Roads …