At the Movies with Kevin Rudd: The Return of the NBN
The Gutter Trash is pleased to present a special movie preview from guest contributor and former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd..
In the midst of the Covid pandemic, nostalgia seems to be the prevalent theme in both political circles and Hollywood alike with voters and viewers longing for a better time when the world wasn’t on the brink of some cataclysmic climate-change induced catastrophe that pretty much spells the end of civilisation as we know it.
Which brings us to the latest instalment from the satirical comedy franchise “the Scott Morrison Government” with “Back to the Future part five: The Return of the NBN.”
In this ultimately disappointing and unnecessary remake of the Rudd Government 2007 black and white original, modern day protagonist – played by relative newcomer Communications Minister Paul Fletcher – finds himself in the unenviable position of explaining why the present day government has decided to reintroduce the very same Labor initiated fibre-to-the-home broadband strategy it has spent years deriding to a bemused yet ultimately unsurprised public.
Despite his lack of experience, Fletcher is perfectly cast as the befuddled minister in a role that’s reminiscent of Stuart Robert’s performance in “Robodebt: The Musical,” or “Census and Sensibility.”
Angus Taylor also gets a look-in as the gaffe-prone butler ‘Gaston,’ but ultimately it’s Scott Morrison’s indifferent and lacklustre performance as “the man who wasn’t there” that makes this sorry tale completely forgettable.
Josh Thomas of “Please Like Me” fame, also perfectly cast as Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, makes a welcome return to the silver screen in a cameo role as a disgruntled armchair critic, who spends much of his time criticising other performers while managing to overlook his own glaring intellectual incompetence. It’s a marvel to behold.
However, there’s a difference between a movie that touches our hearts and one that invites us to wallow in shit. And as much as I wanted to enjoy this movie, I couldn’t help but feeling that I’d seen it all before, or at least a foretaste of what could have been something so much better under the hands of a more experienced director.
Two and half stars.
Margaret..?
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In this ultimately disappointing and unnecessary remake of the Rudd Government 2007 black and white original,
In 2007 Rudd/ALP promised a NBN costing taxpayers $4.7B and finished by 2013 ie before they lost govt.
In 2008 Rudd put his election policy out for tender but it went nowhere so he threw his election policy into the bin. A lie so big only LABOR could get away with.
In 2009 Rudd/Conroy on a plane flight came up with the current policy costing who knows what finished who knows when.
In 2013 Abbott/Coalition made changes to Labors NBN so it would be finished before we die and will not have to sell our homes to afford
However, there’s a difference between a movie that touches our hearts and one that invites us to wallow in shit. And as much as I wanted to enjoy this movie, I couldn’t help but feeling that I’d seen it all before, or at least a foretaste of what could have been something so much better under the hands of a more experienced director.
Margaret..?
Well! Michael,
What can I say the original B&W had so much potential but floundered with the script.
Then of course Director Malcolm Turnbull got involved and decided that another weak B&W production in a world of technicolour … but using a slide show approach rather than the super digital genre of the 21st Century and that simply turned people off in droves … way too slow for the times.
Now we have Director Sooty Morrison from the same studio producing the “Real NBN” at enormous cost to the shareholders … let’s hope it justifies the outlay …
Quite frankly I think all of this is a crock of shit! (Excuse the Francois) for mr …
⭐
And that’s being fucking generous it should be a tiny asteroid … whooo! excuse me …
Then of course Director Malcolm Turnbull got involved and decided that another weak B&W production in a world of technicolour
Fact is Rudd/Labor lied in 2007 promising a NBN costing taxpayers $4.7B and finished by 2013. Imagine if Howard had made a promise like that and did not deliver?
In 2009 after throwing out Labors 2007 election lie, Rudd came up with the current NBN on a plane flight on a drinks coaster costing who knows what.
Rudd should be ever condemned for lying to the country in 2007. But he will not because ALP supporters do not care about ALP lies
No worries Kev. Hey d’ya reckon you could make your sentences a bit longer? I got distracted by full-stops at least two naybe three times. kthnx
n this ultimately disappointing and unnecessary remake of the Rudd Government 2007 black and white original, modern day protagonist
lol reb
Although, it looks like this one will be fairly narrowly targeted. It’s going to #broadrorts, following on from the highly popular #sportsrorts franchise
While these amped-up connections will be installed free-of-charge, those seeking upgrades will be required to shell out for NBN plans that are unaffordable for many households.
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Despite claims that six million premises could access speeds of up-to-a-gigabit under the $4.5 billion upgrade proposal, NBN Co’s own corporate plan, also released on Wednesday, shows just 400,000 premises are expected to be upgraded to FTTP by 2025.
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Under the new plan, households with FTTN connections incapable of achieving optimal speeds can request an upgrade to FTTP – but only if they commit to signing up for higher speed NBN plans.
These plans cost more than $100 a month – making them unaffordable for up to 50 per cent of households, Dr Gregory said.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/tech/2020/09/24/nbn-fibre-backflip-fletcher/
So, if you can afford to pay for an ongoing gouge of extra speed that would have been far cheaper had the initial plan been implemented … initially, the taxpayer will connect you, otherwise, you are left to languish.
So, again, low wage taxpayers are again subsidizing highly paid grifters
“However, there’s a difference between a movie that touches our hearts and one that invites us to wallow in shit.”
I didn’t know Kev was into scat, but it comes as no real surprise.
Some guys have all the luck. Being a Biden helps:
“”””””””””””So, if you can afford to pay for an ongoing gouge of extra speed that would have been far cheaper had the initial plan been implemented”””””””””””””
You don’t get it. Nothing wrong with fibre but it is very expensive and slow to build. I suspect this current upgrade is because NBNCo is getting worried about the coming 5G rollout
You don’t get it. </i.
lol, from the mouths of
babesfucking idiots!I see the health minister- Jenny Mikakos- is under attack ecause she is incompetent! Since when has that been a requirement for a ministry in this government?
I suggest someone start an “I stand with Jenny” cherr club!
cherr club … is that Mexican?
ecause she is incompetent!
incompetent, or just being lied to?
This why the Guardian is propaganda rag:
Hunter Biden’s Ukraine ties ‘awkward’ but impact on US policy unclear, report finds
The article is so incredibly slanted and perfectly aligned with Democrat talking points that I thought for a moment Tom R himself must have written it! Take this quote:
“And it offered no evidence to support one of Donald Trump’s more incendiary allegations – that Joe Biden pressured Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor as a way to protect his son.”
If they were actually trying to inform readers, they would have mentioned that Biden himself has admitted getting the prosecutor sacked by threatening to withhold $2 billion in US aid but that Biden expects us to believe that it was a mere coincidence that that prosecutor was, coincidentally, the same prosecutor that was investigating the corrupt company that paid Hunter over a million dollars in directors fees.
The Guardian might also have mentioned that Hunter Biden had no relevant skills or experience to be a director of a Ukrainian energy company and was appointed only months after being booted out of the navy for being a coke-head. Yet his directors fee was more than that paid to the directors of Exxon Mobil. Hunter is on record as saying:
“When asked if he would have been given the board position on Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company, if his last name was not Biden, he conceded, “probably not.”
The article also “forgot” to mention one the report’s more interesting findings – that Hunter was paid $3.5 million by Yelena Baturina, Russia’s richest woman:
Still, at least the Guardian ran a story about the Biden Ukraine report whereas fellow lefty propaganda outfit ABC news has so far avoided any discussion of the report at all.
methinks you’re getting a bit panicked about a foreign election there splats.
yep,the Guardian is a propaganda rag lol
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/news-corp-slammed-for-unbalanced-reporting-on-victorian-premier-as-poll-shows-majority-supports-him?cid=news:socialshare:twitter
No luck involved is there
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6185591607001
Hey, do you notice something about that tweet tosy?
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THEY ALL SHOWED UP! 🙂
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/federal-officials-shielded-from-ruby-princess-inquiry-20200810-p55kda.html
Unless you’re a power hungry megalomaniac, in which case they are a suitably scary number to keep the public afraid and locked in their homes.
THEY ALL SHOWED UP! 🙂
If, by “showed up” you mean appeared via video conference, then yes. If you mean they did their best to answer questions in a full and frank manner, don’t make me laugh. There is a case of collective amnesia among ministers and public servants alike.
Oh, and guess what, Daniel Andrews has been rescheduled to appear tomorrow, the last day of the enquiry, at 2:15pm. After a couple of soft questions and a further couple of harder ones about which he can’t recall the details, the enquirers will be having drinks by 3:01pm.
Belgium has the second largest death rate of any country. There are other points of view:
“We have used data for 45 countries with a population of over 30 millions in which 85.8% of the world’s population lives. The statistical relationships of total COVID-19 Cases and Deaths per million populations in these countries with 10 demographic, economic and social indicators (indices) were studied. These indicators are Life Expectancy, Median Age, Growth Rate, Population Density, GDP PPP per capita, Human Development Index (HDI), Gini index of income equality, Intelligence Quotient (IQ), Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) and Democracy Index. Statistically significant relationships were found with all indicators excluding Gini index and Population Density. We have found that the closest is the relationship of Deaths per million population and total Cases per million population with correlation coefficient R = 0.926. Therefore, it is clear statistically that the more are Cases per million in a country the more are Deaths per million. This confirms the correctness of the timely and effective introduction of the necessary pandemic restrictions in the countries.”
And in Queensland we are studying much more mundane issues …
https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2020/09/young-physicist-squares-numbers%E2%80%99-time-travel
Who woulda thunk it?
(An interesting read BTW)
“Young physicist ‘squares the numbers’ on time travel”
In NSW we learn to square numbers in primary school. Good to see Queenslanders eventually get there. 🙂
It might be interesting to look a the constraints applied to the numbers. Sounds like going back in time under their model might not be as much fun as it initially sounds.
“I’ve made a list of people who say they didn’t make the decision to use private security guards and claim they don’t know who did.”
There seems to be quite an amnesia pandemic in the Victorian public sector. Fish rot from the head down.
If Kevvy Walters doesn’t get the Broncos Coach spot … the Board of Directors need to find new “jobs” … cause they are the problem!
It might be interesting to look a the constraints applied to the numbers.
Mafs ain’t my thing (unless applied to business issues – ie money) probably why I stuck to drums and then singing rather than the guitar gathering dust upstairs.
Sounds like going back in time under their model might not be as much fun as it initially sounds.
Oh, yes it does … revenge springs to mind?
You recall I’m a big sci-fi fan? (and adult fantasy – {oops!} – reading “Fire & Blood” at the mo)
There seems to be quite an amnesia pandemic in the Victorian public sector. Fish rot from the head down.
Reading from “Playbook For Politicians”, by Angus Tailor, Tim Wilson & Brigitte McKenzie, with Foreword from Scott Morrison … and endorsement from John Howard and the Private School Bullies, featuring Tony Abbott and Peter Dutton … Malcolm Turnbull absconded …
“You recall I’m a big sci-fi fan?”
I don’t read a lot of science fiction but I was taken by Dune as a kid. That Quunsland time travel link you posted reminded me a bit of the concept of time in Dune, where prescience allowed insight in to the future which wasn’t set in stone but still had some clear nodes or junctures. The pathway to get there wasn’t clear and different routes could lead to different outcomes.
As a kid i read Simon Black in Space by Ivan Southall. I loved the Simon Black books
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From the files of “what could possibly go wrong?”…
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/25/government-to-wind-back-responsible-lending-obligations-to-kickstart-economy
The Andrews Government Covid Leadership Team:
then yes.
That’s all that was needed. Meanwhile, the feds remain cocooned in their shield of silence over what they did, or more to the point, didn’t do.
And, quite a lot has come out of this hearing. Like,
security guards weren’t the primary source.
Security guards didn’t sleep with anyone.
And AFp were not offered to Vic at the start of this proceeding.
Daniel Andrews has been rescheduled to appear tomorrow
And, what is the key word there? That’s right, ‘appear’
Not like the gormless feds. Meanwhile, he has been answering questions every day, until the dumb ass churnalists get tired of asking the same pointless one in as many different ways as they can.
“I’ve made a list of people who say they didn’t make the decision to use private security guards and claim they don’t know who did.”
I thought the idea of this was to find out about an ‘alleged’ ‘fiasco’ in quarantine? What the fuck are they even asking about that for?
As for this ‘alleged’ ‘fiasco’, I note that, to date, everything appears to have been handled as well as it could be considering the lack of support from the actual people responsible for quarantine, and the limited timeframe these were implemented in after discovering that the actual people responsible for quarantine were not going to hold themselves responsible for quarantine.
Our churnos are fucking hopeless. Case in point
From the files of “what could possibly go wrong?”
As we teeter from GFC, to pandemic, and back again 😦
There seems to be quite an amnesia pandemic in the Victorian public sector.
Whereas the feds just don’t answer.
The Victorian inquiry is very illuminating – especially as regards the skills of those witnesses giving a masterclass in evasion, obfuscation and amnesia.
Even Joe Biden is in awe of them and he can’t even remember his own name.
Covid death tolls.
NSW – 6 per million.
Other States- 3 per million
Victoria – 115 per million
Typical Andrews stooge: I don’t recall. No, those meeting notes with my name do not jog my memory. The decision to use security guards was already made, I don’t know by who. That was not my responsibility. I heard something about the ADF, but I don’t recall what.
“Whereas the feds just don’t answer.”
I don’t disagree about the Feds but ‘look over there’ is not an answer to Running Dog Dan’s miserable excuses for killing his fellow Victorians.
And who gives a shit what Eddie’s Girl Kneely has to say? She’s dumber than Alberici and more unlovely than Albo.
Dan’s miserable excuses for killing his fellow Victorians.
Considering that, to date, the inquiry has found nothing about Victoria’s quarantine that didn’t occur in other states, I’m still wondering why you are blaming Dan for it?
One security guard who tested positive for COVID-19 and failed to self isolate, has also been taken off the quarantine program.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/a-dozen-security-guards-fired-from-nsw-quarantine-program/ar-BB18tICz?li=AAgfYrC
Perhaps it’s because people in NSW just don’t fuck?
“Perhaps it’s because people in NSW just don’t fuck?”
Maybe its because, in important areas, NSW didn’t fuck up!
Well, who wudder thort …
da..dadada …daaaaaa accountants.
Maybe its because, in important areas, NSW didn’t fuck up!
Yet they did, like almost everybody else did. We here in SA were on the verge, when someone working in hospital wandered around for week while they were living with someone who had tested positive.
Oh, and the example of the guards above. And there were plenty of examples of Sydney guards sleeping and sharing smokes together.
What examples from guards were different in Victoria? How was anything they did worst?
From the files of “what could possibly go wrong?”…
er, reb, or, is it … John?
“The Hayne Royal Commission revealed how our banks consciously lent more to borrowers than they could afford. The Govt is now legitimising this when household debt at record levels and jobs insecure.”
It’s totally fucked isn’t it, but not surprising that the SloMo govt should side with the banks.
Here’s a link to today’s Memory Loss Enquiry. Whatsisname appears at 2:15pm.
https://www.quarantineinquiry.vic.gov.au/
I don’t remember why I put this here.
Look tosy, I know words are confusing for you, but one says ‘security guards’ ( a fairly generic term), the other says “private security guards”.
Words matter. Especially when you are under oath.
So much for the Financial Services (LOL!) Industry Royal Commission ..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/25/government-to-wind-back-responsible-lending-obligations-to-kickstart-economy
lol tosy, I see you’re not the only one who cannot understand the significance of the word ‘private’
Then again, I’m sure they do, they are just asshats
lol tosy, I see you’re not the only one who cannot understand the significance of the word ‘private’
There are only private security guards. The state has police and their PSO branch. Words matter.
There are only private security guards
Someone should tell the defense forces, who have security guards 😉
Someone should tell the defense forces, who have security guards 😉
They have soldiers and military police. You know, the ones ScoMo pleaded with Andrews to use instead of security guards.
Words matter.
You know, the ones ScoMo pleaded with Andrews to use instead of security guards.
link
https://www.defencejobs.gov.au/jobs/air-force/security-police-officer
(which, when speaking generically (which they were at that time), is called, a ‘security guard’ ) 😉
(which, when speaking generically (which they were at that time), is called, a ‘security guard’ ) 😉
Compared to Comrade Andrews your semantics game rates about a D minus. Whereas the Chairman is an A plus expert, probably the best bullshit artist in Oz politics today.
semantics game
yea, theire! just words, hey tos, and you can make them be whatever you want them to be.
All the kings horses and all the kings men can’t change that 😉
I got the feeling that splats was in the background here?
I love watching Trump rallies! I try to catch two or three a week now it is election season.
Trump rallies have their own special rhythm and cadence. A gathering of patriots who love goodness and decency. They come together to be with fellow citizens who wish to take time out from the riots, looting the indecency of cancel culture and the stinking corruption of the deep state. They are the opposite of mongrel leftist grievance-mongers trying to rip society to shreds.
A Trump rally is a safe space where people don’t have to bow to the madness of leftist crowds. It is a place where they can recharge before rejoining the battle against those who wish to destroy civilisation. At a Trump rally there are no rioting mobs or politically correct thought police. For a moment good people can hope to save their country from that dystopian nightmare, that place where where socialism always ends, the place of tyranny and poverty and misery and death.
This is not “the best portrait” in the competion, IMO. Perhaps it’s been chosen for some other reason.
https://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/prizes/archibald/
Perhaps it’s been chosen for some other reason.
OR
They just disagree with you?
OR
They just disagree with you?
OR
They agree with me but made this decision anyway.
So many possibilities.
No
game of golfhopelessly incompetent and dishonest Premier is worth a human lifeThe state has police and their PSO branch. Words matter.
Gee, Mexico is more backward than I realised … my mate worked as a supervisor for Qld State Security … the latter few years at the Police HQ?
(Note: I find that the use of Private Security at ADF bases around the country is absolutely ludicrous … and reflects the stupidity of “privatisation” by any government … allow me to explain … ADF personnel are “employed” 24/7 – you can be called to duty at any time day or night … eg I worked an eight hour shift maintaining armoured vehicles … I was rostered for guard duty overnight, at a well know barracks in the city, until dawn (two on two off) ya don’t get much sleep … we were then transported back to the workshop – where I worked another eight hour shift)
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/10cb36fb5ba061bed2dd8b83fa659c3bb4fc7ada/133_0_3986_2392/master/3986.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=76926bc57fda26f4ac05890fbbbe1c16
How many times did Dan Andrews say “I reject the premise of your question” today ?
Just wondering…
He didn’t. His demeanour was slightly more respectful than his daily pressers where he bullies a room full of young, mostly female reporters.
He did say sorry to Victorians, though, but then asked Madam Chair to let him know what he’s sorry for.
“”his daily pressers where he bullies a room full of young, mostly female reporters.””
😆 😆 😆
You mean like this…….??
https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js
Meanwhile, it’s been 2 days since Alan Tudge’s conduct was declared criminal by the Federal Court, and he is still a minister.
But I guess your delicate sense of outrage is only reserved for one side of politics.
Alan who?
You mean like this…….??
Or this?
oops, lol. timelines just aint his thing
A journalist asked me a question yesterday – and I answered it. She then called my office to say sorry. I consider that the end of the matter.
Why would any journalist feel the need to apologise for asking a question?
Abusing journalists – or anyone – on Twitter does no one any good. We have far more important things to deal with, let’s all move on.
It’s all right though. She’s apologised so now he won’t abuse her.
And you think this paints him in a good light.
And you think this paints him in a good light.
Think really hard tosy, really, really hard. An attack dog churnalist who is being fed questions by the pmo has to call the Premier to apologize, and you think it’s HIS fault
ROFL
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-victoria-question-that-left-premier-daniel-andrews-flustered/news-story/a72e46305ef78b9f8160843eb2e213cf
Think really hard tosy, really, really hard
Lol. Andrews bullies young, mostly female journalists every day at his press conferences, including in the example you gave. He is quoted as being “flustered” but I saw that particular exchange. He actually became aggressive. And two random tweets are not proof of anything.
“Andrews bullies young, mostly female journalists every day at his press conferences”
Utter bullshit.
Mikakos resigns! Next!!
This is pretty huge!
Jenny doesn’t remember resigning, she’ll be back at work on Monday!
“”Jenny doesn’t remember resigning, she’ll be back at work on Monday!””
LOL….!
Press conference should be interesting. 🤔
https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/nbn-v-5g-the-broadband-battle-is-about-to-heat-up-20200924-p55yz5.html
“””””””””””””The idea of the National Broadband Network being made redundant by mobile technology is about to be put to the test as Australian telcos get their skates on to offer customers 5G-powered alternatives to the NBN.”””””””””””
“I have never shirked responsibility for my department but it is not my responsibility alone.”
WTF…?
She can’t even say one simple thing without contradicting herself… 🙄
“Guardian Australia contacted Hanson to ask about the $500,000 payment and whether the Pauline Hanson’s One Nation Queensland division could be left out of pocket.”
“Hanson’s chief of staff, James Ashby, replied that the claims were “completely untrue”, adding that “gutter trash theories” were a “waste of [his] time”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/sep/26/one-nation-paid-500000-to-company-behind-billion-dollar-development-in-queensland
Australian telcos get their skates on to offer customers 5G-powered alternatives to the NBN
Telstra and Optus. What would they know?🙄
Jenny doesn’t remember resigning, she’ll be back at work on Monday!
lol, I have to pay that one 🙂
She can’t even say one simple thing without contradicting herself
I blame Dan!
Utter bullshit.
I mean, to settle the matter, examples, such as the ones we put up of those poor put upon journalist badgering the Premier with utter bullshit, would be helpful for those not convinced?
tosy?
Andrews’s rooms of spin doctors are frantically trying out a ‘form of words’ to explain this away. By the way, here a just a couple of techniques politicians use to punish or bully journalists who dare ask questions they don’t like:
But of course Saint Daniel of Coronasafe would never do anything of the sort. 🙄
https://theconversation.com/the-vomit-principle-the-dead-bat-the-freeze-how-political-spin-doctors-tactics-aim-to-shape-the-news-106453
Still waiting for your example of Andrews bullying female journalists… 🙄
The one Tom R provided will do. A female journalist asked Andrews a question he didn’t like. He is reported to have become “flustered”. I saw it and would say he became aggressive. She felt intimidated enough to call him later and apologise. He then suggested he wouldn’t (need to) abuse her on twitter – a clear case of passive-aggressive bullying.
What does Dan have against female ministers?
* He’s thrown Jenny Mikakos under the bus the day after the main union in her portfolio called on her to resign
* He threw the very competent Jane Garrett under the bus when the main union in her portfolio called on her to resign
I see Rachel had to apologise again at today’s press conference. Not because she was ‘bullied’ but because she was just making shit up.
Despite his lack of experience, Fletcher is perfectly cast as the befuddled minister
Perhaps you may want to rethink that statement??
https://www.paulfletcher.com.au/meet-paul/about-paul-fletcher
Before entering Parliament, Paul was Director, Corporate and Regulatory Affairs, at Optus for eight years; established a consulting firm serving the communications sector; and in 2009 his book about broadband, Wired Brown Land was published by UNSW Press.
“Surely you don’t expect us to believe …” says the ever professional Rachel as the preface of her question to Andrews.
“Surely you don’t expect us to believe …”
I agree with her! I missed the press conference, but if Dan had anything to say, surely we’re not expected to believe him
Neil of Sydney permalink
September 26, 2020 10:10 am
Did you read (and comprehend) all of that article you linked?
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Telstra and Optus. What would they know?
Not much compared to all the other true Australian Telcos … do keep up
https://www.canstarblue.com.au/internet/telcos-australian-owned/
… No. 1 in Australia … Aussiebroadband – and highly recommended by, moi!
I was a 50 year “customer” of Telecom cum Telstra … moved two years ago to AB … Telstra is now a dud … Optus was “supposed” to be a market “rival” for Telstra … that worked – not!
You had to be there … a mate was offered $200 to move to Optus … we chose to be “loyal” then Telstra offered new customers $200 to switch back … mate was $400 up … “loyalty” – zip …
A couple of years ago when Telstra refused to “negotiate” (ie even attempt to match Aussiebroadband) I switched … all our accounts had to be changed* because of our email address @telstra.net.au (note “net” … now @gmail (not available when we “joined” Telstra) … they just treated us like shit! To make it worse Telstra cancelled my landline number BEFORE I cancelled my account with them! A number I had for 36 years … not retrievable, Bunch of arseholes. Another example of servicing “profit not people” …
*Took days …
Our saving $50 a month – mobile, landline , broadband 100/40 (get 106mbps Telstra – 36/4)
I saw it and would say he became aggressive. She felt intimidated enough to call him later and apologise. He then suggested he wouldn’t (need to) abuse her on twitter – a clear case of passive-aggressive bullying.
FFS …(need to)
passive-aggressive bullying … 🙄
By the way, here a just a couple of techniques politicians use to punish or bully journalists who dare ask questions they don’t like:
Where do you get this from? The Liberal Party Playbook?
A female journalist asked Andrews a question he didn’t like.
Asking a person what they did on their birthday is verging into the personal. Persisting because you don’t like the answer is belligerence.
He should have told her to fuck off. She phoned to apologize because the Twitter hit mob pointed out to her what an inconsiderate, obnoxious bitch she was, not because of anything the Premier did. He even told the hit mob to leave the mean girl alone.
but because she was just making shit up.
If she stuck with the facts she couldn’t run
murdochsher agendaI agree with her! I missed the press conference, but if Dan had anything to say, surely we’re not expected to believe him
Do you ever re-read (ie edit) what you write eg … “I agree” … but “I missed”… “if Dan said” … “we’re not” (read – I won’t) “expected to believe” …
A totally biased and therefore negative statement …
If she stuck with the facts she couldn’t run MORDOCKS agenda
Sorry TR had to make my point too!
Meanwhile age pensioners pay the LNP price for being savers again!
Our saving $50 a month – mobile, landline , broadband 100/40 (get 106mbps Telstra – 36/4)
I switched from Telstra to TPG several years ago for the same reason. So far no problems but Telstra is the best. But you have to pay for it.
So far i have had only one problem with TPG. When i visit my relatives in a small country NSW town i cannot use my mobile phone because i get no reception. But my relatives who are with Telstra get good reception.
PS you will have to be more specific about what is wrong with Paul Fletcher
PS you will have to be more specific about what is wrong with Paul Fletcher
I do????
Well you said this TB
Did you read (and comprehend) all of that article you linked?
What was your point? My point was Paul Fletcher knows what he is talking about. But i suspect his latest comments about the NBN is to save NBNCo’s rear end. 5G is coming and NBNCo is worried
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I’m going to start a #IcantstandDan cheer club
I’m going to start a #IcantstandDan cheer club
“yomm and newman,
sitting in a tree,
F.U.U.M.I.N.G. ”
🙂
For a moire complete list reb
lucky Dans team went there
reb of Melbourne permalink*
September 27, 2020 7:56 am
Because Labor still hasn’t stooped to the USA style of Republican Politics … watch this space …
We learn today (27 Sep) that NSW, after talking to the Vic team, have decided to copy the Vic models.
Y’know what’s really annoying … basic Health & Safety processes, policies and procedures are not rocket science … its obvious from comments here and news.com that most people are not only ignorant – even when informed – but choose to ignore the simplest advice – and when they refuse wonder why authorities enforce rules … and infections skyrocket …
And its so bleeding obvious that all the Federal Government can do is bleat about the how the Labor states are incompetent and the LNP states are so good … when they ain’t!
A system is only as good as the people who actually use it (or not) …
(currently watching TV Series “12 Monkeys” SBS On Demand (much better than the B Willis film)
much better than the B Willis film
Oh, I loved the filum, especially Brad Pitt, but the series is not bad either imo. It drags on after the first season, but they change it up enough to keep you interested.
We learn today (27 Sep) that NSW, after talking to the Vic team, have decided to copy the Vic models.
Oh really? Who did we “learn” that from? Did NSW say that? No. Daniel Andrews said that. He also said “we learned sone things from them [didn’t say what], they learned some things from us [didn’t say what].
Be careful where you get your “facts”.
Be careful where you get your “facts”.
Yes, you are correct. I got my facts from the Premier.
Perhaps you can find ‘alternative’ ones for me 😉
Asked about any changes to be made to Victoria’s contact-tracing system (which has faced criticism) since officials visited New South Wales, Andrews said both sides learned from each other but the biggest outcome was that NSW would be adopting Victoria’s IT system.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/sep/27/coronavirus-live-updates-global-death-toll-nears-1m-australian-state-of-victoria-set-to-ease-restrictions?page=with:block-5f700f2e8f088d8c714ea326#block-5f700f2e8f088d8c714ea326
Meanwhile
Still waiting for your example of Andrews bullying female journalists…
at your leisure 😉
Be careful where you get your “facts”.
Fuxake, this from you who dreamt up the idea that Andrews had ‘bullied’ female journalists…?
Fkn laughable.. 🙄
I got my facts from the Premier.
That was your first mistake.
Yeah Tom R, you should’ve got them from Sam Newman or Alan Jones, what were you thinking…??
I realise this is probably going to be a controversial opinion, but Anh Do’s paintings are actually a bit shit.
at your leisure 😉
Now the Twitter mob have taken their cues from esteemed leader and are piling on Rachel Blaxendale. How dare she doubt the word of their lord and master.
Anh Do’s paintings are actually a bit shit
One thing I’ll agree with you on.
“Gold ” = 700 cases a day
“Silver” = < 20 cases a day
I really don't think 20 cases a day is even worth silver!!
Dan has the Australian record!!
What you get from Running Dog Dan is amnesia and obfuscation. For facts you need to look elsewhere. Dan is a fact-free zone.
That was your first mistake.
Patiently awaiting ‘alternative’ facts 😉
Now the Twitter mob have taken their cues from esteemed leader
You mean the one who didn’t mention anyones names, and who specifically said don’t berate churnalists?
It’s OK, we got the ‘hidden’ message therein 😉
What you get from Running Dog Dan is amnesia and obfuscation.
LINK!
Oh, I got one, Seems he was correct, and was let down by the the pigs, both federal and local. Gives a whole new take on #DefundThePolice
” Seems he was correct, and was let down by the the pigs,”
Translation: “Dan you are my lord and master! O please let me slurp every last drop of fecal treacle that dribbles from your leaky anus. You are more precious than life itself.”
Obviously you modeled your relationship with your Master Dan on this poem:
“……Please master call me a dog, an ass beast, a wet asshole,
& fuck me more violent, my eyes hid with your palms round my skull
& plunge down in a brutal hard lash thru soft drip-fish
& throb thru five seconds to spurt out your semen heat
over & over, bamming it in while I cry out your name I do love you
please Master.“
Translation : I cannot find fault with what you say, so I’ll drivel shit instead 😉
I’ll patiently await your alternative facts along with the rest. I’m sure they’re out there somewhere. What, with all these bullied and harassed churnos looking for reprisal, it shouldn’t be difficult.
Have you no dignity, Tom R?
Your devotion to your Master Dan is touching but completely OTT.
When you are in a hole you should stop digging and when you are in an arsehole you should stop licking!
Still patiently waiting splats, shovel and tongue at the ready 😉
(Because Labor still hasn’t stooped to the USA style of Republican Politics … watch this space …
I thought it might (also) be a little more prosaic: Morrison lacks authority; watch how Dutton pops up, on a Tuesday, to say he won’t be copping any responsibility for any increased cap on returnees; then Morrison preempts National Cabinet, on Thursday, by saying the States will have to wear the increase; then on Friday, at National Cabinet, Morrison’s virtually forced to ‘compromise,’ on a variety of ancillary matters, like inter-state and intra-state tracing details, he’d been asked to, and he’d said he would, attend to since February-March; then, the next week, he throws a mini-tantie, and withdraws ADF support at borders, because he’s heroically chosen to make ‘quarantine’ the priority (and the Mexican ingrates will have to pay for the wall(s)); all when/while the Commonwealth, and Dutto, and Scott, have been shirking their (quarantine) responsibilities, since day one; (probably) for same reason.)
Tom R, it looks like the problem was politicians too gutless to do the job the people entrusted them to do. This is from your link:
“In his witness statement to the inquiry, Mr Andrews was asked “Who made the decision to engage private security contractors in the Hotel Quarantine Program?”
“I do not know who made that decision,” he wrote.
But the Premier knows. In fact, he alluded to it during his own evidence at 3pm last Friday. When he was asked if it would be unusual that then-Police Commissioner Graham Ashton was not consulted in the formulation of a program such as hotel quarantine he offered a tart response.
“That would certainly not accord with custom and practice that I have observed throughout my time in public life and throughout my time as a Minister of the crown and throughout my time as the premier of the state,’’ he replied.
In other words, Victorian public servants and, more significantly ministers, were too scared to question or challenge the police because they didn’t want to be accused of taking cops away from frontline policing to guard a bunch of tourists and expats locked in their room eating UberEats.”
Running Dog Dan is not only a liar but a gutless liar into the bargain!
Jenny seems to think the strategy is “eradication”. But what would she know? She was only health minister and a cabinet member up until two days ago.
But the Premier knows. In fact, he alluded to it
Ah, he ‘alluded’ to it, did he. That doesn’t mean he knows. It may mean he has a really good idea who did, but as far as he knew, someone else tasked with that responsibility could have been the one.
‘it’s all an ‘allusion’
Tom R, Running Dog Dan is the fucking premier yet he behaves like Inspector Clouseau. If he and his ministers are too gutless to do their jobs they all should resign in shame. If he was too out of it not to check on who was guarding the quarantined people he surely could have gotten to the bottom of it by now.
Victoria is effectively run by the cops because Dan and his merry morons let them run amok.
If he and his ministers are too gutless to do their jobs they all should resign in shame.
She did
If he was too out of it not to check on who was guarding the quarantined people he surely could have gotten to the bottom of it by now.
Everyone knew who was guarding them. You are little behind the eight ball here. The real question is, why did border farce outsource their responsibility to a police force that then outsourced their responsibility?
“She did”
Running Dog Dan is good at bullying women out of their jobs, no?
“Everyone knew who was guarding them. .. The real question is” … who made that decision? You are little behind the eight ball here.
Closing submissions to the Hotel Quarantine Enquiry today:
They just gave these big govt contracts to mates, in other words., in other words.
Rachel at this morning’s press conference asking why do people need to wear masks..
I mean seriously, FFS. 🙄
“a breach of her human rights.”
I’m almost running out of “oh for fuck’s sakes”… 🙄
Who bullies the bullies
“oh for fuck’s sakes”… 🙄
Yes. Why should the Supreme Court consider whether an unprecedented(!) curfew was a breach of someone’s human rights. Surely such matters a best sorted out on Twitter.
2020!
They’re getting restless.
A woman is being treated for injuries after being attacked by a buffalo in Sydney’s south west.
Which begs the question, when DID Dan know about the buffalo, and who and when did he hire to guard that Buffalo
I’ll wait patiently on the answer 🙂
Can’t see the wall for all the bricks.
https://www.quarantineinquiry.vic.gov.au/
Failure of Vic Gov’t
More heads will role
Of course, the Failure of Fed Gov’t to do anything they are required is not even mentioned, I’m sure.
Of course, the Failure of Fed Gov’t to do anything they are required is not even mentioned, I’m sure.
I see this all over Twitter: But, but, but, what about the feds, blah, blah, blah. Aside from that being a classic – what you would call – “look over there”, it shows a basic ignorance about what the enquiry was set up to examine.
“I’m almost running out of “oh for fuck’s sakes”…”
I bought you a present:
Guffaw!
It’s all purrfectly reasonable 😉
It looks as if the counsel assisting the inquiry has stopped short of calling Dan an absolute disgrace and negligent.
But not that far short.
Third of the five(!) counsels assisting now giving his closing statement.
Another thing Dan Andrews is responsible for….!!
An “angry buffalo” has attacked a woman in Sydney’s south-west
https://www.9news.com.au/national/emergency-services-called-to-reports-of-woman-charged-by-buffalo-at-denham-court/395787c2-13d3-46f4-9e23-20073631c3ca
That buffalo is a Murdoch stooge.
If I’m out going for a walk when there is no one else around, do I still have to wear clothes?
Asking for Rachel
#ThanksDan
https://www.afr.com/companies/healthcare-and-fitness/mask-crackdown-mad-health-experts-warn-20200928-p55zz1
There is now ample evidence that Dan leads an incompetent and negligent government. He is personally dishonest.
“They need to trust people to make sensible decisions and enforce mandatory masks where they need to in risky situations,” she said, suggesting a more targeted approach should be adopted from October 19, particularly given regional Victoria has just nine active case”
You mean make rational decisions based on current knowledge.??? What are you thinking???
Running Dog Dan needs to show that he is in charge, that he is the captain and HE makes the captains calls around here. What will President Xi think if Dan can’t flex his nuts and show the common people what a great and powerful leader he is?
Leadership is making rational decisions. But Dan is getting off by showing he has the power to make people do irrational things. Power is exhilarating to thugs.
It’s a meaningless phrase dreamed up by Dan‘s rooms of spin merchants.
Be careful where you get your “facts”.
Back at ya!
Yeah Tom R, you should’ve got them from Sam Newman or Alan Jones, what were you thinking…??
Some here were thinking, Pete Evans Or … God Forbid … Sooty SloMO!
I realise this is probably going to be a controversial opinion, but Anh Do’s paintings are actually a bit shit.
Only a “bit” – care to expand (talk to Kneel he” expand you in one comment)
What you get from Running Dog Dan is amnesia and obfuscation. For facts you need to look elsewhere. Dan is a fact-free zone.
And you run around supporting Trumps Illusionary World …
Still patiently waiting splats, shovel and tongue at the ready ROFLMAO! Killer!
I thought it might (also) be a little more prosaic:
Absofknlutely, ivi!
Victoria is effectively run by the cops because Dan and his merry morons let them run amok.
I think you’ll find that recalcitrant Victorians ran amok …
Speaking of Victorians I just purchased a video/sound receiver from Selbys (never heard of ’em before) … what a fabulous bunch of people who work there … no issue too big … and I can vouch for their competency and more importantly honesty and service.
(And you guys know what I would be writing if it was a shit business … highly recommended … fucking Mexicans most of ’em are probably Cisco Kid & Pancho fans)
They just gave these big govt contracts to mates, in other words., in other words.
Do you really want to talk about “gigs” for mates?
Surely such matters a best sorted out on Twitter.
Reading you comments … you do …
Have you ever been to the Vatican?? They have huge walls with huge gates that close. When it comes to walls, Vatican City has the highest security and walls i have ever seen.
Yep. And I agree …
“Contributed to an increased risk or at least a failure to adequately mitigate the risk the virus would be transmitted from returned travellers into the community.”
Is that the Ruby Princess?
More heads will role
More heads will “roll” … before ToM sees it, TR* (my excuse is that I’m reading the latest Game of Thrones “300 years Before”
‘Bout the only thing he gets right is correcting our grammatical typos …
I see this all over Twitter …
Breaking news … its all over the fucking country, not just twitter!
It’s all purrfectly reasonable
Does Rachel, know about Drop Bears?
It looks as if the counsel assisting the inquiry has stopped short of calling Dan an absolute disgrace and negligent.
But not that far short.
Link? Or is that you usual opinion?
Tony permalink
September 28, 2020 6:21 pm
FYI … I wore a mask to my audiologist this morning … for the safety of both of us … she did the same … it is NOT mandatory … ist because we are QUEENSLANDERS! and we understand the concept of mateship … FFS!
What we are seeing is a couple generations of “always being winners” and “having everything that they want” and ” being speshul” … the world is and always has been a cruel place … human beings survive by working together … we have become a nation of selfish, stupid, ignorant twits … after reading the shyte above … fucking grow some balls …
An interesting new study:
“While some health experts warn of a possible second wave in the coronavirus pandemic, a new study is pointing to signs that COVID-19’s severity may be fading. Researchers at Wayne State University say viral loads from patients are continuing to decrease as the pandemic progresses. This is also showing a connection to a lowering death rate.”
“The fines never had a logic and were already some of the highest in the world.”
The “logic” is to intimidate the unwoke proles. Of course members of protected victim classes who break the rules and actually spread the virus and kill people get a pass. But if you are pregnant women with the wrong facebook post then the cunts cuff you and throw the book at you! Get it? You are much worse than the mongrels who actually killed people in the eyes of Dictator Dan!
Selective enforcement of the law is not justice but it does let the little people know how powerful Running Dog Dan is. The future is here:
“There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always— do not forget this, Winston— always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever. ”
Oh look! Ton R had a cartoon made about him.
Oh look! Ton R had a cartoon made about him.
Yea, like that’s me. My guts way bigger
It certainly takes our intrepid stenographers a while to narrow their
attacks‘reporting’ down to an acceptable level.Selective enforcement of the law is not justice but it does let the little people know how powerful Running Dog Dan is.
OR, an ‘alternative’ fact. (still waiting fyi)
What is unforgivable about the Victorian shut down policies is that they are working
https://johnmenadue.com/mungo-mccallum-what-is-unforgivable-about-the-victorian-shut-down-policies-is-that-they-are-working/
Can anyone think of anywhere else in the world which has had such a stark turn around?
but, but, but what about our freeeeeedommmmmms……!!
LOL! news.com.au has not carried front page news of Trump’s Tax Cheating for two days … its hidden way down in the Finance section … so partisan you’d think splatterbum had shares in Mordoch Press …
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
BREAKING: Counsel assisting Ben Ihle tells hotel quarantine inquiry it can “comfortably find” Victorian Government scheme IS responsible for
– 768 deaths
– 18,000 infections @newscomauHQ
Duh! And I can comfortably find that counsel assisting is simply assisting opinion … and innuendo … “finding” does not constitute “evidence” … it works ‘tother way ’round – a judge will “find” based on “the evidence” placed before them …
The political editor of The Australian got it wrong too in a since-deleted Tweet. #springst
I can comfortably suggest that these are grounds for a defamation action …
but, but, but what about our freeeeeedommmmmms……!!
Freedom don’t come for free, man …
It wouldn’t be so bad if they had to suffer … all they have to do is wait and be patient FFS!
but, but, but what about our freeeeeedommmmmms
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That #WhatsTheIssueRachel tagline is a riot. Unlike Leunig, it’s actually quite funny
when will twitter stop bullying the poor little
attack dog for the pms officejournalistSpeaking of funny (or is it just truth?)
Either way, it’s all perfectly legal (in a very immoral manner)
“Can anyone think of anywhere else in the world which has had such a stark turn around?”
Yes in fact. A place called Ben Tre in Vietnam
“It became necessary to destroy the town to save it.”
The parallel with the whole of Victoria is compelling
Ben Tre in Vietnam
And how did they manage this turnaround? By opening their borders?
So here’s Rachel flat out lying, then denying that she lied, and according to ToSY being subjected to ‘bullying’ from Dan Andrews…
OH DO FUCK OFF.
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The way he bullied and harassed her then is just OUTRAGEOUS! reb
I’m outraged anyway. I’m sure tosy will be too
LOL… 😆 😆
Perhaps the ‘outraged’ here can supply an ‘alternative’ explanation?
It’s an OUTRAGE!
It’s an OUTRAGE!
It really is. HOW DARE DAN pull her up on presenting submissions as findings (which even her transcript supports?)
She’s had a big day, so we’ll let her off for now. After all, it wouldn’t be easy trying to decipher garbled questions from the pmo and then try to make them your own.
“For the record”
Hilarious…! What sort of ‘journalist’ fabricates what’s supposed to be ‘transcript’ of a conversation but, you know, just inserts words that weren’t even spoken at the event…!
She really ought to leave media events to the grown ups.
And just for ToSY ( as it seems you’re also struggling with comprehension and simply siding with whatever Rachel reckons occurred), here’s the video that reveals what was actually said, rather than what Rachel thought (or hoped in hindsight) she said…
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Regardless, the fact is that Dan’s a lying c***
Regardless, the alternative fact is that Dan’s a lying c***
Patiently waiting for more 🙂
What sort of ‘journalist’ fabricates what’s supposed to be ‘transcript’
A Great one 😉
How dare they question the all-wise pontifications of Pope Dan of Tradeunionstan?
https://www.smh.com.au/national/melbourne-s-five-kilometre-rule-is-it-really-worth-it-20200928-p55zwi.html
Yeah, let’s all forget a journalist lied, and then lied about lying, because here’s a picture of a hedgehog…
Look everyone – a hedgehog…!
Look everyone – a hedgehog…!
Nice hedgehog. But let’s obsess instead about whether Rachel lied or Dan parsed *some* of her words to divert attention from the crux of her question.
Looks like NBNCo is about to face some competition
https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/telstra-enters-5g-wireless-internet-battle-with-fixedline-nbn/news-story/27cb6d2179bcb7d47db73a3db64f8178
Telstra enters 5G wireless internet battle with fixed-line NBN
Telstra enters 5G wireless internet battle with fixed-line NBN
Telstra doesn’t understand the technology. They should employ Tom R snd TB Queensland to set them straight.
But let’s (not) obsess instead about whether Rachel lied (on purpose) or Dan parsed *some* of her words (in the actual way she said them) to divert (the) attention (of people who actually want information) from the crux of her (wrong, unprofessional and highly stupid) question.
This game could catch on 🙂
I see morrison is doing a rachel, or has rachel been doing a morrison all along?
They’re just all full of shit aren’t they
https://twitter.com/i/timeline
Can you specify for me exactly where he was misogynistic ther tosy?
Or even anything more than ‘terse’?
I did like the bit where he said that, if the PM were to ‘free’ them from the cabinet in confidence discussions, he would be quite happy to clear up any disagreements between both their statements. The fact the pm is refusing to speaks volumes.
While you are at it, you’ll also point me in the direction of these shills similar support of Emma Alberici for being cut down by a hoard of MALE detractors for writing a perfectly accurate article, one that cost her her job, and almost her career?
I’ll be as patient as I am with all your other ‘alternatives’ 😉
lol tosy, and not a bracket in that alternative tweet
ffs, this is hilarious
#thanksrachel, the gift that keeps on giving
This is exposing to all and sundry what an inept, cloistered and ideological media we have.
keep em cumin tosy, this is a fantastic resource of rwdickbags you got there 🙂
What would lawyers who represent underprivileged people know?
It’s important that everyone gets a fine, except for the police informers! The public needs to learn to do what it’s told
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-30/victoria-coronavirus-fines-must-be-reviewed-lawyers-say/12689792
Never gets old.
Never gets old.
It’s when the rot set in
Although, when the “better economic managers” pay 10X the price for a paddock, he does have a point. Perhaps we need the ‘waste’ of the party back, you know, the ones who DIDN’T plunge us into recession, and who DIDN’T spend 10X the price for a paddock?
#thanksrachel
This debate is hilarious!
‘debate’?
It’s a yelling match. It’s kinda embarrassing
#thanksrachel
Yesterday.
lol, I thought I remembered ol jill. She blocked me 😦
Maybe it was something I said? #thanksrachel
Amazing how if one journalist does her job she is viciously attacked by ALP sycophants masquerading as journalists. These leftist ass-clowns are embarrassed at being shown up for what they really are by a real journalist trying to hold Running Dog Dan to account.
if one journalist does her job
hey splats. Do counsel assisting make findings, or submissions?
Counsel assisting cast sunshine on the cockroach infested crevices of the Andrews dictatorship.
All the amnesia and denial is because those malignant arseholes are scared shitless at the prospect of doing 25 years for industrial homicide.
splats, pretend I’m typing this slowly, instead of just pasting it back in because you obviously don’t want to answer
Do counsel assisting make findings, or submissions?
Telstra doesn’t understand the technology
I cannot remember where i read it but i m pretty sure that when Telstra sold its network to NBNCo it was under the condition that Telstra does not do anything to compete with the NBN. I would think 5G would count as competing with the NBN. If true this may give companies like TPG and Optus an advantage with 5G as NBNCo may sue Telstra if it takes customers away from the NBN to 5G
Just another example of why monopolies are bad
Personally, I think Dan is wise to change his press conference tactics from obfuscation to semantics.
Even the ALP cheer club was tiring of the obfuscation, now clearly they’re on board with semantics. As Tom R demonstrates!
Tom R, What is it about assisting that you don’t understand?
Counsel assisting assists the Commissioner to get to the truth by exposing it.
Counsel assisting also assists the Commissioner in drafting a report.
splats, What is it about ‘findings’ that you don’t understand?
When a journalist says the ‘findings’, she is lying
When she tries to clarify that by saying “but I meant counsel assisting findings”, she’s still lying, because counsel assisting doesn’t make findings, do they?
or Do counsel assisting make findings, or submissions?
I’ll await your reply with the consummate patience you have previously witnessed from previously unanswered questions.
I’m not too sure if it’s because rwdbs are stupid, or shy?
Really Tom R, debating semantics is so unlike you.
It’s very undignified to try to get Dan off the hook with word play.
He needs to toughen up. It’s his government that turned Victoria into a health and economic basket case. Plenty of people think the press are going too easy on him
Tom R is correct, Rachel should have said something more like “findings recommended by counsels assisting”. But Dan knew very well what she meant. It was the part about whether three top public servants should still have their jobs that he didn’t want to answer. So he jumped on one ill-considered word as an excuse to stone-wall her question. Typical.
Really Tom R, debating semantics is so unlike you.
Really yomm, defending a hack who tried to defend her unfounded attack by lying about it, and then watching the assembled press hacks jump in behind to defend her when they all stood by and watched Emma Alberici get hounded out of her position by a haggle of self centered (and wrong) old men.
fyi yomm, two completely different words is not ‘semantics’, it’s the English fucking language.
At this rate, you’d make a fantastic churnalist, because it’s obvious none of them know the difference between words. humties the lot of ’em
After watching what America throws up as a debate between two old blokes vying for president………………..I’m starting to cool a bit on wanting us to ever become a Republic
Counsel assists the Commissioner in making his findings. The fact finding process is ongoing during the course of the Commission.
Seems to me you are now down to mere semantics to attack someone with the temerity to question your Lord and Master. Someone who, uniquely among Australian journalists, is actually trying to do their job.
Look, Tom R, you can be rational at times but in this case you have lost any sense of balance. I hate to break it to you but Dan is mortal. He makes mistakes. Unfortunately in this case his incompetence resulted in the death of hundreds of his citizens.
If any company had done this the CEO would have actually accepted responsibility and resigned in disgrace. That’s what accountability is. It is not some mealy-mouthed platitude to be bleated out without further consequence.
Tom R is correct, Rachel should have said something more like “SUBMISSIONS recommended by counsels assisting”
because she used the word findings, which indicates a decision by the commission. She used it deliberately, and got pulled up on it, very politely, when he should of called her a lying sob
Biden (and ‘moderator’ Chris Wallace) again repeated the Charlottesville lie – that Trump said there were some “very fine people on both sides” without mentioning that Trump said “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally.”
Indeed, the senile old coot can’t even remember his own policies, or, more likely, he his lying:
Counsel assists the Commissioner in making his findings
Thanks you splats, so, she was completely incorrect to say the (not spoken(counsel assisting)) findings, only the commissioner makes those.
whew, glad we cleared that up. Maybe our churnalists should either A) learn the English language, or B) don’t try to make false allegations in the public discourse.
“I hate to break it to you but Dan is mortal. He makes mistakes.”
I’m sorry, did Dan ask himself that question? I thought it was #thanksrachel
Rachel should have said something more like “SUBMISSIONS recommended by counsels assisting”
Wrong. They gave submissions in which they said – word for word – “we invite you to find” and “ we invite the board to find”. It is impossible to read this as anything other than Counsels assisting recommending what the findings should be.
I’m starting to cool a bit on wanting us to ever become a Republic
What do you say?
The Empire forever, right, Wally?
It really is pathetic that a state premier avoids an annoying but legitimate question by playing semantics.
Dan is a great politician and a poor leader.
It is impossible to read this as anything other than Counsels assisting recommending what the findings should be.
Should should be (should) there tosy?
The fact is that Dan avoided giving a direct answer to the question. If he wanted to take the semantic point he might have pointed out he disagreed with her characterization and then proceeded to answer the substance of her question. But the slimy snake slithered away from the issue.
In one sense that in itself was a victory as it forced Running Don to expose himself as the greasy weasel he is.
This may assist Tom R to understand how these things work, and the context in which Rachel Baxendale used the word “findings”:
Mr A Neal QC, Senior Counsel-assisting: “Finally, I will then be providing you with some concluding remarks and outline in express terms the key findings of those assisting you as we will be inviting you to make.”
“findings”!
I invite everyone to have a look at the transcript of final submissions by counsels-assisting.
Click to access 20200928%20Hotel%20Quarantine%20Program%20-%20Day%2026%20-%20FINAL.pdf
It really is pathetic that a state premier avoids an annoying but legitimate question by playing semantics.
You mean, the one he answered, after dragging #thanksrachel kicking and screaming back into the real world, albeit briefly?
Here (Day 26):
https://www.quarantineinquiry.vic.gov.au/hearings-transcripts
it forced Running Don to expose himself as the greasy weasel he is
(If any further proof was needed.)
I’ve already said (correctly) that Dan’s political instincts cause his to take short cuts with the truth. He’s also incompetent as a government leader, but probably a great opposition leader.
Now he’s proven himself to engage in eord games with reporters. As if that’s of concern to the public here (who are locked up for 22 or 23 hours a day – thanks Dan)
Day 26
“Submissions from Counsel Assisting are, of course, not the only submissions the
Board will be receiving. ”
Just so we are on the same page 😉
Look, all she had to do was say sorry, I meant submissions, and it’s be all clear, but instead, she argued with him about something she was completely wrong about
#thanksrachel
Look, all she had to do was say sorry, I meant submissions, and it’s be all clear
Lol. She tried to but Aggro Head Andrews wouldn’t let her get a word in. Go back and have another look at the video.
not the only submissions the Board will be receiving.
Of course not. Anyone who appeared can make a submission. But which ones do you reckon would carry the most weight? The ones from the people actually employed to assist her reach her findings, or, say, the ones from the lawyers representing the security companies?
Go back and have another look at the video.
Even your insipid heroes mangled defense shows that he gave her plenty of opportunity. And, as he said, accuracy matters. If you are trying every day through a deadly pandemic to try and trip up a politician with loosely worded questions, don’t be surprised when he seeks clarity. Instead of admitting her mistake, she dumbed down. $thanksrachel
yep tosy, the headkicker fucked her question up, because she wanted to imply something, and then cried when she ended up kicking her own head.
#thanksrachel
As a Victorian, living under restrictions that are (among?) the most severe in the world, I’m proud that Dan’s priority is to argue about the phrasing of a question. It was a nil all draw.
Go Dan!
Semantics is his forte
Who doesn’t admire a politician who can dominate a room full of younger, mostly female journalists.
“Who doesn’t admire a politician who can dominate a room full of younger, mostly female journalists.”
I don’t admire Donald. Not at all.
Also, this…
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/upcoming-movies/sacha-baron-cohens-bold-move-against-donald-trump/news-story/5cc36f63208af2c452f09a4a2551a8db
Turning the mirror on ignorant nutcases as they worship their demagogue is bound to be amusing.
Go Trump!
Turning the mirror on ignorant nutcases as they worship their demagogue is bound to be amusing.
Why pick on Trump when that statement applies more to Biden supporters than Trump supporters??
Biden waffles between really good for environment, or just goof for the environment,
trump enegizes the nazis
yep, peas in pod
Meanwhile, at least one journo is attempting to salvage themselves from the wreckage
Debate rankings: Trump first, Wallace second, Biden last.
If these were the actual Nazis, WWII would have been over by Christmas 1939.
Déjà vu
Not sure what you’re point is tosy?
printing errors aren’t fraud?
Luckily for us, Dan’s in charge of navigating us through this disaster.
Heres Dan-
“I have the roadmap to get us out of here! So… straight along this road…no, NO!!! Turn left!! Yes left!! No, I meant right! Not that right, the other right!! Ok, now back up and do a u-turn”
We’re on our way!!
Another Dan lover
The Ruby Princess was a mistake, and so too was Treasury’s estimate of the cost of jobkeeper. Mistakes do happen. But regardless of what mistakes led to Victoria’s second wave, the decision to impose stage 4 lockdowns was a monumental success that has delivered health and wealth benefits to the rest of Australia.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/01/thank-you-victoria-australia-as-a-whole-is-healthier-and-wealthier-because-of-you
No thanks required.
ah tosy, where 2==6
[facepalm]
where 2==6
Is that supposed to mean something?
Is that supposed to mean something?
Are you talking to me, or you?
“Why pick on Trump when that statement applies more to Biden supporters than Trump supporters??”
Read my comment carefully, kneel.
The day that Cohen can cajole Biden supporters into singing along to the themes of their demagogue, I will be similarly amused.
“Pick on Trump”…hilarious.
I couldn’t give two squirts about Biden, fwiw. He’s not the cult of personality/ignorance/populism in charge at the moment.
Intelligent people running interference for Trump does puzzle me. He milks their ideological fancies; with no clear ideology of his own, aside from overt self interest couched in relative incoherence.
No sane person could support that corrupt senile kiddie-fiddler Biden.
Interesting.
You are one of the intelligent people I was alluding to.
Strangely, I specifically didn’t endorse Biden, who isn’t POTUS.
You don’t strike me as a Qtard.
Biden is far more genuine in his ‘faith’ than Trump, fwiw. I have lived amongst Catholics. I have lived amongst charlatans too.
Also, smears of ‘kiddy fiddling’ aside, ‘corrupt’ and ‘senile’ aren’t exactly non-hypocritical defenses of Gnesiu Trump.
Speaking of sexual predation, I’ve seen as many pictures of Don with Geoffrey as I have Bill. Rich, powerful, cult of personality…they all think they can do what the fuck they please when they think noone’s watching. Go Prince Andy!
I suppose your contention is…noone could support Biden, ergo, Trump 2020…
To me, the erosion of norms and stability, which weren’t ideal, but were somewhat stable, is a total dealbreaker.
I’m no fan of Unca Sam.
I recognise the conceit and danger of Unca Dotard.
No sane person could support that corrupt senile kiddie-fiddler Biden.
As ToM would say …. fixed it for ya!
No sane person could support that corrupt senile kiddie-fiddler Trump.
Hey, g’day, toylet … long time! 😀
TeeBee!
Good tidings, friend.
I have only skimmed headlines, and don;t pretend to understand the sport…but I think the Borncos are going about as well as the Crows? possibly worse…
Like, splatter, I read DUNE, the whole fucking lot, at the age of 13.
I’ve suffered through the original movie and the series, each with their pros and cons, but am cautiously excited for the new movie(s) after the trailer.
I’ve read The Expanse books, in the last year or so. Good stuff.
I will admit i support Trump but people sometimes say things have changed when they really have not.
But Trump has been married 3 times. Looks like he got his what became his second wife pregnant while he was still married to his first. Then it looks like he got what became his third wife pregnant while he was still married to his second wife
I could say that 50 years ago that would be a scandal but i would be wrong. Fifty years ago a man like that would be kicked out of any political party and never would be selected.
A very cogent response which I agree with, and gives you some intellectual credibility in my eyes.
I don’t mean that to sound demeaning. My view is almost identical (apart from supporting Trump). Assuming that Trump isn’t able to remain. Many ‘Conservatives’ have compromised themselves in ways which I could never have imagined.
You just articulated precisely why I can’t comprehend moralisers supporting an immoral charlatan.
Same goes for Boris Johnson the British PM. His girlfriend has just given birth. The man is not even married. Boris is 55 and his girlfriend is 32. Boris is old enough to be her father.
Fifty years ago a man like that would never be selected by any political party. These days nobody says anything about that sort of behaviour. I guess some people may say things have improved
To me, the erosion of norms and stability, which weren’t ideal, but were somewhat stable, is a total dealbreaker.
They “weren’t ideal”. Exactly why “drain the swamp” resonated with so many Americans, and with me. I’m fascinated by the political outsider winning the Republican nomination against the will of party elders. Then winning the election contrary to all polls and predictions of the so-called experts. Trump is what is known these days as a disrupter – and I love watching him disrupt – admittedly with very little skin in the game.
You just articulated precisely why I can’t comprehend moralisers supporting an immoral charlatan.
Have you heard about Bill Clinton??
BTW, I have zero interest in his or anyone’s personal life, and it grates on me to see things framed through the lens of ‘morality’.
“Have you heard about Bill Clinton??”
Is he POTUS currently?
Tony
Perhaps. But i suspect people used to say if you cannot keep your promises to your wife can you be trusted to keep your promises to the country?
But i do like Trump and the way he stands up to “the left”
“BTW, I have zero interest in his or anyone’s personal life, and it grates on me to see things framed through the lens of ‘morality’.”
I completely agree, but Trump has made a rod for his own back, by virtue of his long history of (barely comprehensible) public statements, in that regard.
Anyone else notice the upside down bible in his hand? (rhetorical question)
I get the affinity for ‘drain the swamp’, but think it’s just a slogan for most adherents. Three word slogans seem to be very efficient upon his knuckledraggers.
I like disrupters. Sanders would have also been one.
I think, at this point, the planet has a bit of skin in the game, because the US descending into such chaos isn’t a net positive.
By ‘planet’, I mean global human population, not environment; that’s a different argument.
BTW, I have zero interest in his or anyone’s personal life, and it grates on me to see things framed through the lens of ‘morality’.
Would you say the same thing if the man was a kiddie fiddler? But i can see your point. We have all have skeletons in our closets
But i love Trump. He puts the left on the run. He stands up to their lies. He takes them on.
Q stuff?
Surely not.
Is he POTUS currently?
What has that got to do with Clinton was an immoral charlatan???
Have you heard about Donald Trump?…he is President.
Unlike Clinton, who isn’t, and whom I don’t support. By your own recent words, you support Trump.
I haven’t commented on the US election for a while, it is fairly uninspiring. But-
* Trump is a loopy, narcistic arsehole, completely unfit for the presidency. His loopy unpredictability is dangerous.
* The fact that the left hate him is hardly a reason to approve of the nutcase. On rare occasions even the left make the correct judgement about character
* Biden is exceptionally uninspiring, and not an attractive candidate. But he’s mainstream and unlikely to stuff things up through ignorance, vanity or incompetence
* He will serve a term, the US will pretend Trump was a bad dream, and Kamala Harris will become the unifying President the US needs
* Thank you for your attention
Toilet
Clinton was President. Americans voted for Clinton to be President even though they knew he was an immoral charlatan. BTW Clinton ran surplus budgets and reduced govt debt, something i agree with
But yes i support Trump. The lefties hate him. That is all the reason i need to vote Trump if i could
Good for you.
I am not surprised.
The most inane reason to offer support to a demagogue, but in perfect symmetry with a multitude of those who will indeed vote for him.
I suppose you believe the great man has handled the pandemic especially well and a lot of people are saying he’s done an amazing job, more than anyone ever before! USA! USA! USA!
I never used to be particularly drawn towards compulsory voting, but compared to the shitpile of a system over there, with its associated mechanics for stirring up the base, I can see how it proffers a more moderate approach overall.
Our domestic politics look calm and benign, by comparison.
Fuck living in the other broiling cauldron of hyper partisan ignominy, with guns.
I agree with your comment about the US election, Tom.
But rather than uninspired, it makes me incredulous and I watch it with fascination.
The result seems obvious, but I really wouldn’t like to make a definitive call. It’s such a debauched state over there at the moment, anything seems possible. I suppose they’ll get what they deserve. It would be nice if it didn’t influence things outside of their borders.
Toilet
You voted for Rudd in 2007. Then Rudd/ALP dropped our borders and we had to lock up 50,000 boat people costing us $15B and counting
Of those 50,000 there were many children. The sickoes from the ALP locked up 8,469 children and even sent young children to Manus Island to be used as human shields to stop people smugglers sending more kiddies to Australia.
This is a problem Howard had solved but YOU are responsible for because YOU voted for Rudd in 2007
Go away and try and deceive somebody else
“The result seems obvious”
I’m not so sure…
Remember last time it looked like there was no way Trump would win, yet he romped home.
And I think ToSY made a few quid on that bet.
I shudder to think what the next four years will be like if Trump gets back in.
yet he romped home.
With the lowest vote ever. Romped 😉
I shudder to think what the next four years will be like if Trump gets back in.
And there is no way I’d put any money on anything over there at the moment. The country is batchit crazy
A bit like the poms. They voted in a guy on the basis of a deal he said was sealed which he now wants to break international law to get out of
And we voted for a tool who shat himself in Engadine Maccas and thinks a belief in God leads to material wealth (and isn’t concerned about breaking every rule there is to make sure this eventuates)
Personally I think people are far too inclined to make to generalisations about the US.
It is probably the most diverse country , from every perspective- ethnicity, geography, culturally… It’s a place of interest rather that a place to disdain. Even with Trump.
A friend (yes, I have some) said – I used to really hate America, but then I decided I enjoyed listening to their music, reading their books, watching their films.
That’s what I think too.
That’s what I think too.
I feel dirty, cos I AGREE!
If I ever moved overseas, it would have to be the US. But I think I’ll wait until trump is gone first.
Then again, we have worlds best beaches right here, and vegemite. All we ever need
Private security guards in other words.
“You voted for Rudd in 2007. Then Rudd/ALP dropped our borders and we had to lock up 50,000 boat people costing us $15B and counting”
*facepalm
More Orwellian bullshit from the Vic government: “ground-truth”, FFS. As a verb!
“ground-truth”, FFS
ground (some) truth 😉
That’s how it’s done aint it?
“https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/hope-hicks-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-after-travelling-with-donald-trump/news-story/efabf4c1126185f08bdeb34e22b19235”
More fake virus lies. Superman could never contract the china plague, he’s too smart.
That’s how it’s done aint it?
No idea. Never heard those words used in that way. But then, I don’t move in circles where people speak in meaningless catch-phrases.
where people speak in meaningless catch-phrases.
“Go Trump!” 😕
Superman could never contract the china plague, he’s too smart.
But a green rock, and he’s cactus. Even a Bat can bring him down then
Also, doesn’t this mean that, regardless of the test results, he needs to quarantine for about half of the time remaining until the election?
If he’d only worn a mask …. lol
There’s pictures of Hicks right alongside Kushner, Miller and others only yesterday, so the implications could be rather deep.
Makes the whole ‘play it down’ narrative a harder sell too.
“Go Trump!” 😕
The meaning of which is perfectly clear. As is “Make America Great Again!”
Anything else you feel like ground-truth(er)ing?
Makes the whole ‘play it down’ narrative a harder sell too.
I get the feeling that, anyone who is voting, is decided, and the rest is all for the circus
As is “Make America Great Again!”
How’s that going by the way? 🙂
How’s that going by the way? 🙂
Like all things political, it depends who you ask.
“But then, I don’t move in circles where people speak in meaningless catch-phrases.”
Rachel woz bullied.
Rachel woz (not) bullied.
it depends who you ask.
Oops, I’ve asked the wrong people
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjSwlF4VcAEn5Jp?format=jpg&name=medium
hmm, so, seems the conspiracy theorists are correct. He’s gonna go into hiding while his winged monkeys rain down destruction
Or, he’s just got covid ….
Lucky he’s the fittest President EVER!!! with no co-morbidities.
It’s just like the flu, it will disappear from him soon.
Invasive procedures with bright light should do the trick, inside the body cavity.
I’d like to remind you, Neil, that Kevin Rudd didn’t appear anywhere on my ballot paper. He lived in a different state.
“More Orwellian bullshit from the Vic government: “ground-truth”,
Someone is going to get seriously hurt if that becomes law. If some odd bod in civvies came up to me all of a sudden then tried to restrain me whilst telling me I’m breaking the law I’d absolutely fucking smash them.
“Someone is going to get seriously hurt if that becomes law.”
Agreed…laws tend to remain.
Personally I think people are far too inclined to make to generalisations about the US.
Just go there … once is enough!
I’d like to remind you, Neil, that Kevin Rudd didn’t appear anywhere on my ballot paper. He lived in a different state.
Labor does not believe in borders. I really think a lot of lefties want to get rid of the nation State. If Labor gets back into govt the same thing would happen. If the boats started coming again if Labor was in power they would do what they did last time- nothing.
I really think …
Chuckle …
Chuckle …
More like [facepalm] 😦