Weekend Gab Fest!

Sizzler closed here in li’l ol Adelaide almost 20 years ago I reckon, and see how far we have come ….. 😯

“Why I’ve given up looking for love”..

Yea, like any of them have given up 😉

All is not lost!

https://m.ellaslist.com.au/articles/the-6-best-all-you-can-eat-buffets-in-brisbane

I haven’t been to Brisbane since I retired!! I miss the fine dining!

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcT1GktGAwYbT96atxdq-1fz9O4GgfXKWNxTzw&usqp=CAU

Premier Daniel Andrews has revealed he will seek advice from chief health officer Brett Sutton on whether the state’s coronavirus pandemic rules should “follow” Victorians when they travel across borders.

Great idea!! Maybe we should just have Victorian regulations apply to everyone throughout Australia!

All those careless non-mask wearers can all understand how a sensible government operates!!

And send Victorian police interstate to issue the country’s highest fines to everyone.

Apparently a technical glitch has halted trading on the ASX

What wonderful economic managers this pitiful Sooty & The Gang are proving not to be ….

Perhaps but in 2016 Coalition introduced a new method to determine income. They used a computer method rather than fortnightly statements. I don’t know but i suspect it was the next step in computerising Robodebt which started in 2011. This world is becoming more computerised all the time.

Apparently not only was income averaging a bad way to determine income it was also illegal. Hence the lawsuit. I would like to know what advice Roberts/Coalition received when the new income determining method was introduced

TB

Most politicians are not that smart. I suspect that whatever the Coalition introduced in 2016 was the next step in a fully compterised system thought up by the Public Service. But for some reason not only was income averaging a bad way to determine income but it was illegal for some reason.

I also remember when Sweden was held up by the LWNJs as an example of the type of democracy and economy that Australia should be.
What they tended to ignore is that the people that live in Sweden weren’t so keen on that system!

TB, it’s always entertaining when you get all huffy and demanding

As for “boardroom burble”… can you explain (again) how you marched into that boardroom and told that what’s what!!

Why do you always expect others to do your research? If you disagree, say why.
I’ve given you all the help you require to do some research

If you don’t care what i write, why do you make demands about what I write.
TB’s personal motto- Spaccano quindi sono

Remember how some people died installing Pink Batts because companies broke the law, and Peter Garrett lost his job.

Now, a Government explicitly sets out to badger people into giving them money, killing an untold number of victims, and nobody is going to lose their job even. Why?

Now, a Government explicitly sets out to badger people into giving them money, killing an untold number of victims, and nobody is going to lose their job even. Why?

Because it never happened. You have a link for that accusation??

BTW Robodebt started in 2011 under Shorten/ALP. In 2016 Coalition introduced a new method to determine income- income averaging. It turned out to be a disaster. Also for some reason income averaging is against the law, hence the lawsuit.

TomR

I think you are insane. Lots of things in that post

1.Relationship break up
2. Bullying at work
3.unemployed
4. mental heath problems so he moved back with his Mum
5. Applied to join the Army but was rejected
6, Rejected for unemployment benefit

What has being rejected for the unemployment benefit got to do with Robodebt?

Why would a healthy 22 year old man kill himself because he had a $2,000 debt. Most people have lots more debt than that.

You know suicide is a difficult problem.

Only a sick and demented Labor Party voter would use dead bodies for political purposes. You are an evil man who use dead bodies to support your beliefs.

The number of deaths pre 2016 was the same as post 2016 when the Coalition changed some things in Labors Robodebt scheme

My experience is that ALP/Greens are heartless and use dead bodies for political purposes.

Children Overboard?
Pink Batts?

fark you’re an idiot nil

the Labor system had a human check the computers results

Yes, nothing wrong with using the method to garner a data set to work with, a different thing to just assume everyone within that set has a debt. I mean, it went from 2,000 per year to 2,00 per week. Someone must have known then that something was up then. Yet they lied and bullied for years, bringing untold misery to thousands

Oh Oh

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17594701-to-be-a-woman

OK i lost my temper and said things i should not have said. But what should i have said to this comment by TomR??

Now, a Government explicitly sets out to badger people into giving them money, killing an untold number of victims

TomR stated a Coalition govt policy killed untold numbers of people. If true the Coalition should be condemned

TomRs statement is wrong. TomR made a wicked comment that is not true.

That is why i could not vote for ALP/Greens. Most of their comments are wrong. Furthermore TomR is using dead bodies for political purposes

A report today outlines that the military has uncontrolled thugs in its ranks that neglected their duty… on the same day as a report details the uncontrolled thugs in the police neglected their duty to protect the public.
It’s time politicians stopped thanking these people. It makes me want to puke every time a politician thinks it is popular to brown nose to these thugs on that are the public payroll

Now, a Government explicitly sets out to badger people into giving them money, killing an untold number of victims

1. Data matching between the ATO and Centrelink was started by Richardson/ALP in the early 1990’s but it was done manually

2. Data matching between the ATO and Centrelink was computerised by Shorten/ALP in 2011. Robodebt had started

3. In 2016 Coalition removed human checking of the computers results and introduced a new method to determine income-income averaging which turned out to be a disaster and also illegal for some reason

4. The ABC, the taxpayer funded media arm of the ALP decided to publish the number of people who died after Coalition changes in 2016

Question- Why did the ABC decide to publish the number of people who died after the Coalition made changes to Labors Robodebt scheme started in 2011

BTW it turns out that the number of deaths pre 2016 was the same as post 2016

I still reckon its AI programmed

#RoboDick

Why didn’t you apply the same standard to … I dunno … George Pell?

You mean, the one who no one was allowed to know who it was until he was found guilty?

… unlike some here I prefer links unsubstantiated bluster …

TomR

I am still waiting for your inflammatory statement. You said this

Now, a Government explicitly sets out to badger people into giving them money, killing an untold number of victims

Any evidence for you statement???

TomR

You said untold numbers .I have dealt with that link before. One example which is not true. The guy had multiple problems like most people have.

You are using dead bodies for political purposes

TomR

The death rate pre-2016 was the same as post 2016 when The Coalition made changes to Labors Robodebt scheme

If you want to use dead bodies for political purposes that is your decision

TomR

I looked at the first page and did not see anyone say they died after 2016. If fact it was that NotMyDebt guy who pointed out to me that the death rate after 2016 was the same as before 2016. He told me on Twitter before i was banned

Yes and no. The ABC Hack article implying that 2.030 people died after 2016 due to Coalition policy changes also posted a comment down the bottom of the article that the death rate after 2016 was a normal death rate

But that 2,030 people who died morphed into 2,000 people committed suicide

Fact is after 2016 notices were sent to 900,000 people during the time the ABC HACK article investigated and 2,030 died. A normal death rate for a population that size

And you wonder why i get angry

This is the ABC HACK article which caused people to believe 2,000 people committed suicide after 2016 after Coalition made changes to Robodebt started in 2011. It says this down the bottom

https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/2030-people-have-died-after-receiving-centrelink-robodebt-notice/10821272

“The department sent more than 900,000 debt letters to individuals during the period 1 July 2016 to 31 October 2018. A total of 2030 of those individuals died during the same period, which represents 0.21 per cent.”

This was more than ten times lower than the overall death rate for all of the department’s customers during the same period, which was 3.64 per cent.”

And you wonder why i hate the ABC, Greens, ALP and all leftists

One more time for the dummies

“during the same period”

you said

2016 was a normal death rate

So, still waiting on link that this is ‘normal’ with pre 2016

But to your irrelevant comment, this was the next text after your cut and paste of irrelevancy

It’s important to note here that the figures provided by the spokesperson include deaths of people who receive a pension payment, which by definition puts them in the older age bracket.

Apparently, older people die more than younger people. Who knew?

But you continue to support a party that has used deaths for years to try and blame on Labor, while they implement policies that “explicitly sets out to badger people, many who had multiple problems already, into giving them money, killing an untold number of victims.”

And meanwhile, I shall await a relevant link with relevant info. Seems to be something I do a lot of. At least yomm just posts his worldly experiences as his ‘links’, not stupid crap that means nothing

Wait …………. oh, so you’re both doing the same thing, just with different methods 😉

Death rate in Australia is 6.3 per 1,000 people every year. So for 900,000 people that means 5,000-6,000 people should die.

So 2,030 people dying on Centrelink payments out of 900,000 people over 2 years is normal

Ni dil, the article didn’t imply it, the liberal minister did.

TomR the ABC article started with this headline

Over 2000 people died after receiving Centrelink robo-debt notice, figures reveal

What are people supposed to think?? It was that Notmydebt guy on Twitter who told me there was nothing sinister about the death rate.

2,030 people dying out of 900,000 people who received notices over a two year period is normal. You want to believe those 2,000 people died due to Coalition policy. So do most ALP supporters. That is the problem.

TomR

My understanding is that Public Servants used to get lower wages in exchange for job security. Now they appear to get getting higher wages or at least better Super and job security. How many PS’s lost their jobs during the pandemic??

Yes, Paul Keating was great! What a pity the unions f***ed his reforming government
They delivered the government to Howard and, because they resisted Keating’s attempt to reform the waterfront, the Patrick’s dispute as well.
We should be so grateful that they control the ALP

Yes TB, they f***ed the Keating Government. But you’d probably think that’s fine.

You’re welcome to prove them wrong. But i doubt whether you will.

Liberal’s have no idea when it comes to the economy

Name me one Labor govt that has left the economy in good shape??

In 1972 Whitlam/ALP was handed a economy with unemployment at 2% and zero govt debt. In 2007 Rudd/ALP were handed a economy with zero govt debt and unemployment at 4%

The fuck is it with our ‘leaders”

In sa, we shut the state down (harsher than the Vics ever did) on the word(?) of a one foreign student with dubious English skills who has been forced by our federal Government to beg, borrow and or steal for the last year to survive, and they have hung him out to dry. Even IF he lied (which, considering our federal Government was using google fucking translate to warn foreigners of Covid, (inaccurately it turns out)), who the hell shuts a state down without confirming the story?

And in nsw, their ‘leader’ makes up her of COVID rules to suit her.

What do all these clusterfucks have in common?

So, the waterfront reform brought down Keating? Cos … Union = BOO?

It wasn’t his arrogance about dragging us through the ‘recession we had to have’?

Here’s one of those things you hate yomm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Australian_federal_election

Even better TB

Natasha Stott Despoja, another former senator, ran her campaign for a United Nations job almost completely from her home in Adelaide.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-24/mathias-cormann-government-funded-plane-oecd/12914276

I also recall hockey whinging about people ‘double dipping’, just before h got his plumb roll as a US diplomat (Kicking Beazley out of his role), while receiving his pollie pension at the same time

They really know how to stuff their pockets with our cash. Every one else can just fend for themselves

What absolute hypocrisy … again … Cormann was a member of the “lifters and leaners club” (or the Hockey club) both a pair of fkn leaners … BIG leaners …

So what is your point?? The ALP is more moral than the Coalition??

I could never vote ALP/Greens because those people do not believe in borders and want one world govt ruled by the UN, But I lost interest in the Coalition when they made Turnbull leader. The man had some good points but he was in the wrong party. Conservative aussies do know who to vote for these days

TB

So many holes in that article. But Hewson says Coalition should commit to market forces. Good. Lets remove the subsidies from renewable energy

PS TB your comments are really useful Thanks for thank. Most things you believe are wrong so i know the truth is to believe the opposite of your opinions

Gerry Harvey says he will be at helm of Harvey Norman until he is 100

Even if he dies at 90!

Those that seem to default to the position that quarantine is a federal responsibility seem to ignore https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2016C00847

And it outlines the responsibilities of states in matters relating to quarantine.
The ALP and “I stand with Dan” cheer club always overlook the act. I don’t know whether it is wilful ignorance or partisan stupidity.

And it outlines the responsibilities of states in matters relating to quarantine.

Yes

“while the Commonwealth government has “primary responsibility for international border surveillance and public health events occurring at international border”

But they fobbed that off to the states to run quarantine for returning passengers for international flights. No wonder he wants the minutes of the national cabinet kept secret. Andrews tried several times to get him to disclose them

Speaking of a RabidRightWingNutJob

l have to say l absolutely love 2020. The year that all teabag mythology was totally blasted to bits. The part l enjoyed the very most was, right on the cusp of the teabags awarding themselves gold ‘economic-manager’ medals, super-bug yanked the rug out from beneath them. Too bad about that surplus. (-: (-: (-: (-:

“””””””””””Not really. His business is a franchise.”””””””””””””””

If true so what, He employs more people than i do.

But i was listening to 2GB one Sunday night and Bill Crews who is some religious guy who gives free food and he had Gerry Harvey on because he was one of his biggest donors.

After the segment finished many people phoned up just abusing Harvey. Just hatred from the leftists. I think Harvey may have said once why give money to poor people because it will make no difference. So he got abused

Harvey norman would approve of reobodebt

TomR

Data matching between the ATO and Centrelink was computerised in 2011. Robodebt started then.

In 2016 Coalition introduced a new method to determine income called income averaging which turned out to be a disaster and was also illegal for some reason

This world is being computerised more and more. Whatever the Coalition did in 2016 most probably would have occurred no matter who was in power

Except Labor did automate it in 2011. Labor politicians have a hide like an elephant. OK Labor did have humans check the automated results before the computer sent them out. Coalition removed human checking in 2016.

But the illegal bit was a new method to determine income called income averaging. Like all ALP people you mislead and deceive

Except Labor did automate it in 2011.

Only for internal use. They still had manual oversight, because they knew the data was dodgy. As did this mob

But the illegal bit was a new method to determine income called income averaging.

No, the illegal bit was using that as their only oversight. Fark it’s hard when someone is so slow/ideologically blind

As l said above, 2020 is the year all bullshit from the teaCaddy was blasted to bits. Weather club without target2050, robodebt, or having to stickyTape more fiber to the wireCo telegraph wires. l also love that slomo is having his nads squeezed by thePanda’s paw.`

Qantas also wanted to ban anybody who didn’t get a Covid injection from boarding

Qantas are dumbshitasswipes!

As long as two-mill-a-month is ok, that’s all that counts to a mid-manage brown nose, huh.

Pst, 2021 will be much like 2020. ` (-:

(QQQ) As long as two-mill-a-month is ok, that’s all that counts to a mid-manage brown nose, huh.

Pst, 2021 will be much like 2020. ` (-:

covid vaccination- when it’s available.

But nothing about when it is safe, when it has been proven to have no long term issues.

https://7news.com.au/travel/international-airlines-body-responds-to-the-qantas-mandatory-covid-vaccine-rule-c-1646624

When the health department says a vaccine is safe, that should be good enough for Qantas.
Keep the anti vaxers at home! I don’t want to share a plane with a conspiracy theorist nutcase

Approval is the role of the health department, including considering long term effects.
Those that don’t want to vaccinate can drive to Hawaii

I don’t recall Joyce saying it was immediate.
And he would probably be one of the most highly regarded airline CEOs in the world

I don’t recall Joyce saying it was immediate.

I don’t recall anyone saying that. When it is available was the terminology used. Noice try but 😉

And he would probably be one of the most highly regarded airline CEOs in the world

IATA appear to have a different view point.

I guess NBNCo is worried about the coming competition from 5G

5G sent out all those robodebts. It’s the fault of Labors NBN that copper wasn’t able to see that all those innocent people were …. innocent

Had the NBN rolled out as originally planned … you too could access such speed!

Nope it would be unaffordable for me. I was one of the so-called lucky ones who got fiber (FTTP) and i get 11Mbps with TPG’s NBN12 plan because that is all the speed i need and am willing to pay for. Who knows what the cost would be for a full fiber network.

And landline phones do not work anymore during a power failure because the NBN needs electricity to work at home. Unlike the old system which had a UPS

Good question

Yea, our media landscape is fucked

(Pst, 2021 will be much like 2020.

The baby teabags will be fine; probably.)

I think there seem to be 2 options

So option 3, don’t be racist pricks, is off the table?

I’m not sure if you’ve noticed YoM, but pretty much every item of clothing we wear these days is made in China
I’m currently wearing a t-shirt made in Honduras!
But really the adjustment isn’t what we buy, it’s what they buy, and right now they’ll buy our iron ore, and will avoid buying much else from us.
As for stopping being “racist pricks” –
1. What is the evidence for that?
2. If we do that, without a grovelling apology do you think they’ll be buying our wine next week, next year or maybe next decade?

abbott finally got it right. Baddies v baddies

1. The statement re the inquiry made no mention of China . That’s just the supposition made by the left, which isn’t reflected in the statement
2. The Belt and Road agreement became an issue AFTER China started targeting Australian exports
3. China obviously doesn’t understand robust politics here, because that was around the time of all the contention about dual nationality
China is a bully, and there is no easy way through this. It’s best we reduce our reliance on them during a downturn. It will be more painful during an upturn

so, the Chinese just need to harden up cos we play it rough here, seems to sum up yomms dribbly bullshit

Apart from that, everything he said is pretty much wrong. Again.

1. It’s called dog whistling, even when you whistle in plain English
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/22/australian-pm-pushes-for-who-overhaul-including-power-to-send-in-investigators

2. Who made who? It was about attacking Dan Andrews, and calling names to Chinese at the same time.
3. yea, sorry, that’s just racist buslhit, nothing can change that (and it had nothing to do with dual citizenship, it was about Sam hanging out with Chinese)

( Even though it was clumsy and poorly timed, it wasn’t exactly unreasonable.

Indeed; just say no to PHON(E)Y global brands; and, yes to stovepiped FOXy-Pompeo Aus-(s)trained bioterroirists-gone-batfishy!)

Well Tom R must be right. We are to blame for China bullying us, because Barnsey agrees with him
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/call-it-for-what-it-is-qa-panellists-criticise-china-over-fake-image/news-story/2b3850436c6bf82e06dc193daf19520c

as the text of the statement provides no support for the claim.

yea yomm, because nobody knows what country they are talking about. [facepalm]

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/coronavirus-started-in-china-pm-tells-mining-billionaire-20200501-p54oyn.html

But go on, continue to defend a racist with such a long history of racism.

its bullying of Australia

WAAAAH, they sent a nasty meme about OUR SOLDIERS MURDERING CHILDREN

Just thought something was getting lost in the hysteria of ‘we’re not THAT racist (according to my scale)’

Meanwhile …..

The states are doing what morrison cant

State leaders are begging the Morrison government to play nice with China over fears growing tensions will hurt local jobs and industries.

It’s a tactic Prime Minister Scott Morrison looks set to adopt this week after he warned Coalition colleagues on Tuesday against giving more air time to China’s provocative social media attack on Australia.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/12/02/australia-china-relations-2/

So, apparently, it IS within his remit to pull up colleagues when they need it. He just chooses not to.

Tom R, do you miss the point deliberately? I don’t really care about people putting provocative images on social media
The real issue is fabricating reasons to damage Australian jobs and the economy.
Are you willing to approve that?

lolz

Some of our actions the Chinese Government objects to-

*Loudly declaring that any meeting between a Labor memebr and a Chinese person is against the national interest (while doing exactly the same themselves)

*Calling Labor racists for excluding Huawei from the NBN, and then excluding Huawei from the telecommunications industry themselves. By their own words, what does that make them?

Along with all of the other before mentioned ,and many other non mentioned, targeting of Chinese interests (while continuing to take their money from behind their backs)

Can you remind me what the ALP had to say about Gladys Liu?

“I’m a teapot”?

…but would you allow Huawei in?

Pretend I am saying this slowly yomm

“Calling Labor racists for excluding Huawei from the NBN, and then excluding Huawei from the telecommunications industry themselves. By their own words, what does that make them?”

Would you turn your back on smaller SEA countries re the South China Sea?

How am I? (no links required)

Although, I note you are deliberately turning your back on the murder of small children by Australians

You can’t figure out your own view of how to deal with the reality of the current problem.

Although, it could be too late now

Politics in the rear vision mirror

If only people hadn’t been ‘whinging’ about our government being racist pricks for the past several years, hey

Gladys Liu?

Yes, that’s a question. More directly, WHAT’S YOUR POINT?

Do you seriously think the sideshow issues are the ones deeply troubling Beijing?

A decade of racist taunts and jibes is a “sideshow issue”?

A global alliance of parliamentarians have called on their compatriots to “stand against authoritarian bullying” as they launch a campaign to support Australian winemakers battered by Chinese trade tariffs.

We should all do our best to eliminate the wine glut that the Chinese have caused!

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-02/china-australia-wine-tariffs-ipac-calls-people-to-support-sector/12941152

Yes the Gladys Liu questions were subtle racism. You know like Morrison being racist for calling for an independent inquiry into the virus, even though he made no mention of China.
Clearly both are racist… if you look for an obscure reason to label them racist.

Are you serious?

About you providing concrete proof, as I did, for a charge of racism

Yea, I’m kinda serious yomm of teapot

Can you remind me of the “proof ” you provided about Morrison’s statement about the inquiry being racist.

The standard you walk past ………

That’s interesting TB. Are you suggesting we retaliate against China by boycotting their products and businesses?

Thank you for agreeing. Morrison’s statement about the inquiry didn’t mention China.

And he’s still a racist turd (with evidence to back it up, naming or not naming (which of course he did, when you see the ‘context’)

Says the man who locked up 8,469 children from 2008-2013.

How many kiddies do you plan to lock up TomR when Labor gets back into power???

You seem to think China cares more about what we say than what we do

In fact, I have highlighted many from that least. Do you not think the reason might be WHY we do (and say) what we do?

To put the above into more stark context/contrast

So horrific was the June quarter fall that the economy is still 3.8% below what it was a year ago, and our GDP per capita is 4.8% lower than it was this time last year.

That, my friends, is an economy still in a recession.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2020/dec/03/all-the-recent-growth-cant-hide-the-fact-that-australia-remains-in-a-deep-recession?CMP=share_btn_tw

Things are going swimmingly

lol TB (sob)

Would you endorse repealing the foreign agents legislation?

It’s not the act itself, it’s the way the government loudly, and proudly, went after Chinese nationals specifically, and used racist terms while doing it. They cannot help themselves it seems

And/or allow Huawei to build the telecommunications network?

No, we shouldn’t. But, as I mentioned, back when Labor denied them access to the NBN, the libs said this was because ‘racism’ (even though it was made clear it was because of proven poor behaviour by Huawei ) So what reason may the Chinese think the libs are now denying them access? The libs had claimed it was racist to do so, it’s only fair to draw the line that that is the reason they are now doing precisely what they condemned Labor for. After all, Huawei have not had any major public breaches since that?

(Context. It’s all there.

Odd? Didn’t Dutto already warn ‘the foreigners‘ that “slanted views” (hehehe) for “particular communities” are verboten?)

Wednesday: Treasurer Josh Frydenberg
China relationship will not derail Australia’s economic recovery

Thursday:
Josh Frydenberg has warned the dispute between Australia and China is having a serious economic effect.

Every second is a new spark, sets the universe aflame

A good question, although, I’m sure we know the answer.

I mean, if nobody loses their job for killing vulnerable people, why would they just for using taxpayer dollars to feather their own nest?

Exactly. Running Dog Dan still has his job!

Hang on, I thought the feds were in charge of both quarantine, and aged care homes?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoV8T2mVEAA3dIp?format=jpg&name=900×900

“Shanghai Sam” is not racist at all.

whew. glad it took someone who is such an expert to point that out.

Of course, if it WASN’T so racist, why would the pm have lied about saying it in the first place then?

(Well not quite … Australia is seen around the world as the USA’s “go to military” for “support” … so Oz has become the China’s – USA whipping boy …

Credit where credit is (over)due, mayhaps.

We need India …

Are these lentils South African?!)

lol

I mean, if nobody loses their job for killing vulnerable people,

What vulnerable people are you talking about. Unless you have a link for that comment you should apologise.

My memory is not short. You lefties just mislead and deceive people. Provide a link for your allegation or apologise.

nil, I’m sorry you are so ideologically blind

I have put them up before nil

You have responded to them, and, I presume, in the same way you are about to respond now.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/mothers-whose-sons-took-their-lives-after-robodebts-detail-anguish-in-heartbreaking-letters

TB

Using dead bodies for political purposes is a low act. I am sure lots of people received debt notices in the past and did not commit suicide. And some did commit suicide. Saying it was due to a debt notice is hard to prove

Trouble is Labor supporters are full of hate. They want the deaths to be due to Coalition policy.

Fact is after 2016 debt notices were sent to 900,000 people over 2 years and 2,030 died. A normal death rate for a population that size.

Has the ABC ever published how many people died after govt made a policy change before?? Not to my knowledge. It was an ABC article stating 2,000 deaths occurred after 2016 that caused some outrage. That then morphed into those 2,000 deaths were due to Coalition policy. That then morphed into all 2,000 committed suicide. It is a normal death rate. Nothing sinister

3. Continue to express honest, rational, unemotional views, consistent with Australia’s values

Continue?

“They are throwing their children overboard”

“Chinese companies are welcome to take our local workers jobs”

“Why are Chinese companies taking local workers jobs?”

“Labor are racist for denying Huawei into the NBN”

“Huawei are not allowed into our NBN”

“We need to find out how China allowed the virus to escape”!

This should go well.

Monkey see ……. 😉

 “old fried dough stick”

Those government propagandists are so witty!

I can’t think of a more appropriate description for their leader than – “hypocritical brutal dictator ” Which, while factual, isn’t as entertaining.

Now all we hear from the left is “think of the economy!”

LINK!

I mean, all I mentioned was, Australian citizens are persecuting Chinese citizens, using government policies to do so.

Not sure how any of what you said is even relevant. Again.

Have you compared the Australian and Chinese entries in the Amnesty international reports?

Oh, so now it’s down to ‘level’ of atrocities?

That’s scraping the bottom, even for you

As for relevance of comments, if you reply to a comment with garbage, I reckon I’m quite within my rights to point out that it’s … garbage

Should we have decided not to comment on human rights and apartheid in South Africa?

were we pariahs on the international human rights scene back then?

Which countries meet your standard ?

This twitter thread could become quite long. So, again, Andrews is shown to be correct, and the federal grubmint caught out lying.

Re “LINK”

but still, no ‘link’ I see

“RWNJ”

Hypocrite

Being reasonable is a very good start …

FUCK OFF! 🙂

A good write up about the pms ‘casual racism’ (you know, it could be this kind of shit that, over a long period of time, gets up the goat of Chinese governments, along with the outright racism)

Unfortunately, only in linkedin, that I have seen

As a proud Australian-born citizen with Chinese ancestry, I am not laughing. I do not feel “deeply appreciated”.

Prime Minister, what you have just engaged in is in fact casual racism. Australia’s very own Human Rights Commission defines casual racism as “conduct involving negative stereotypes or prejudices about people on the basis of race, colour or ethnicity”.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/open-letter-pm-chinese-australians-arent-just-prawn-cracker-yun/

and lied and cried and lied.

But how, he pried?

(What time do most churches open during the week?

Depends; the ‘Sabbath‘ seems to be a somewhat moveable feast.)

Thoughts & prayers…

I’m sure there will be plenty of taxpayers dollars to go with that (after the millions they’ve probably already fleeced)

The ultimate moveable feast. 🙂

Looks like the Canavans are too unsavoury even for Glencore.

Shame about the workers who were lied to last election about how great coal was 😦

Suck Shit to the canarvans though

How is that different to any previous programs like Robodebt which was started by Shorten/ALP in 2011??

HUMAN OVERSIGHT!
PRESUMPTION OF GUILT!

FFS nil

btw, did I already say … Suck Shit to the canarvans though

My point is govts bring in new programs to recover Centrelink debts all the time.

And my point is, only one did it illegally, and caused harm to the most vulnerable

AND continued it, even when warned of the illegality and harm it was doing

AND NOW are lining up to do it again

Apparently the illegal bit was the new way to determine income called income averaging rather than fortnightly statements.

Apparently, you’re still (deliberately?) wrong

It’s repetitive and stupid talking to you nil

You keep getting bludgeoned with facts, and you immediately turn around and declare point blank that world certainly IS flat

“[DSS] have advised you that they have received legal advice that debts based solely upon DSS’s own income averaging of ATO annual tax data are not lawful debts,” he said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-06/robodebt-illegal-scheme-suspended/11939810

It’s just one of the reasons I call you stupid.

“[DSS] have advised you that they have received legal advice that debts based solely upon DSS’s own income averaging of ATO annual tax data are not lawful debts,” he said.

TomR

Did you read my comment at 1.33PM?? Isn’t that what i said?? Income averaging to determine income was the illegal bit. Not removing human oversight or anything else.

It’s just one of the reasons I call you stupid.

Well there appears to be something you are trying to say that i don’t understand.

It think it’s SOLELY because you’re stupid

No, it was never SOLELY used.

It’s a word, SOLELY , it’s a very important word. Because it indicates that they SOLELY used that. That is, there was nothing else, like HUMAN OVERSIGHT

I give up. That is what i said.

And human oversight is a different issue.

In 2016 Coalition introduced a new computer method to SOLELY determine income called income averaging. It turned out to be illegal, hence the lawsuit.

Removing human oversight may be a bad idea but it is not illegal

gaffes, corruption and pocket lining of friends and colleagues, obfuscation, lying and bullying of welfare recipients, employees and manipulative bordering on dictatorial and awful diplomatic skills

A nice little list of this mobs achievements. re your link

Scott Morrison is unlikely to win a last-minute speaking slot at a global leaders’ climate ambition summit as his government has failed to meet the demands set by the event organisers

Yet, he told parliament he was going to go there to “correct mistruths”. Turns out, even as he said this, he wasn’t going to be allowed to ‘correct’ anything

It’s just lie after lie after lie with this mob.

But, you can hardly blame the organisers. Last year, when it was on, he was in ‘merica, in the town they were, but was snubbing them with his playmate trump. Now, he’s trying to crawl back up their asses. Luckily, they aren’t having any of it.

It’s an embarrassment for Australia, but hey, we ‘all’ asked for it.

Prove it you lying little arsehole!

Oh, this should be good 🙂

I’m quite happy to avoid buying any wine owned by Chinese companies.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/other-industries/aussies-urged-to-boycott-41-vineyards-actually-owned-by-chinese-firms/news-story/c7cd6724a093e37cc7b51bce1b3a8c58

No, it’s ok!! Wolf Blass is owned by Treasury, so we can continue to drink the Grey Label.
And TB can continue to drink the Yellow Label

Good question

This might set a few people off

You boofheads do know what racism actually is?

wow, I actually didn’t ‘read’ it aloud in my head, I was just assuming it was slightly miss spelled names, for which Chinese companies are famous for, ie, Yike and Aldidas.

rebs made me a racist 😦

Actually no darling, I’m a little younger than that…

So are my folks 🙂

Yes

And you know I’m lying 🙂

(If you’ve got nothing to hide, stop hiding stuff.

Too right!)

Odd: “But there’s no fish to catch. So what’s the real agenda?”

lol splats

Turns out it was just a normal/natural death rate and nothing sinister was going on

You keep saying this, but continue to provide no proof

a swift boot in the behind!

Someone here needs that bad

Any ideas who nil?

I am not the one making the allegation that 2,000 people died due to Robodebt.

That allegation was never made, just the fact that that number of people had died.
And, it has been pointed out, that the number used ignored older people (who weren’t sent robodebts), which that link definitely includes

Apples and oranges isn’t proof nil

fark I need a pair of steal caps write now

Because some party made an illegal decision which caused harm to thousands, that’s why

For LIBERAL Robodebt V2.0?

This appears to be the ABC article which started the urban myth that 2,000 people died due to Robodebt after 2016.

https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/2030-people-have-died-after-receiving-centrelink-robodebt-notice/10821272

But down the bottom which most people did not read it says those deaths were a natural death rate

The department sent more than 900,000 debt letters to individuals during the period 1 July 2016 to 31 October 2018. A total of 2030 of those individuals died during the same period, which represents 0.21 per cent.”

It’s important to note here that the figures provided by the spokesperson include deaths of people who receive a pension payment, which by definition puts them in the older age bracket.