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November 13, 2020

Hello!

There’s so much going on in the world, it’s hard to know where to start or which way to look.

But in whichever direction you turn there’s madness and chaos!

Aside from record (and rapidly escalating) Covid deaths in the US, and the plague spreading unchecked across Europe and the UK, and multiple allegations of sexual impropriety amongst some of Australia’s most senior government MPs, and a US President who refuses to accept electoral defeat, the biggest tragedy of all is unfolding in Queensland where Sizzler has served its last “Fried Cheese Toast.”

Popular amongst bogans and feral families, the budget style ‘buffet behemoth’ has announced it is closing its doors for good this month, citing ‘changing consumer behaviour’ for its demise.

The fact that no one wants to eat mass produced shit any more must have been quite a revelation, but it would be wrong to dismiss this as the only reason the once formidable chain has joined the ranks of Red Rooster and Oporto.

Paying thirty bucks for a piece of tanned leather masquerading as a steak served with a smattering of frozen vegetables and congealed muck purporting to be gravy is a veritable smack in the head, when you can enjoy a premium piece of perfectly grilled beef for a few dollars more at a reputable establishment without the indignity of hordes of screaming kids running riot somehow typifying the ‘ambience’.

Not that I was ever a patron, so my loss will be barely felt, however my thoughts are with TB at this difficult time.

Apparently, as a final insult, Sizzler have revealed the recipe for their “Cheese Toast.”

Happy days.

346 Comments leave one →
  1. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2020 12:20 pm

    Not that I was ever a patron, so my loss will be barely felt, however my thoughts are with TB at this difficult time.

    That’s very kind of you, reb … but I stopped eating at Sizzler over thirty years ago after complaining about the state of their filthy crockery and cutlery … only had the soup and salad (couldn’t afford a “real” meal)

    I do confess to knowing their CEO in the early days (He had been the Financial Manager at my first employer) Got us a couple free meals for The Minister, kids and me … the other business Sizzler introduced was Toucano Char a South American themed “restaurant” meat served at the table and sides on a “plate tower” in the middle of the table …

    Those were the days! Lokk at what we have now … Uber Eats … so much better******* 😎

  2. November 13, 2020 12:26 pm

    I feel for you TB.

    But I guess there’s always “Snag Stand” to fall back on…

    https://www.yelp.com/biz/snag-stand-brisbane

  3. November 13, 2020 12:27 pm

    In other news, I’m expecting the puff piece on Christian Porter to appear any day now in Murdoch’s rags…

    “Why I’ve given up looking for love”..

    🙄 🙄 🙄

  4. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2020 12:29 pm

    Sizzler closed here in li’l ol Adelaide almost 20 years ago I reckon, and see how far we have come ….. 😯

  5. November 13, 2020 1:18 pm

    “In a Pennsylvania courtroom, attorneys for Trump asked a judge to stop the counting of votes, claiming all Republican observers had been barred.

    But under questioning from the judge, Trump’s lawyers conceded, using language bordering on absurd, that there was in fact “a non-zero number of [Trump’s] people in the room”.

    It was thrown out.

    “Non-zero” 😆 😆 😆

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-13/donald-trump-delaying-inevitable-joe-biden-win/12875346

  6. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2020 3:00 pm

    “Why I’ve given up looking for love”..

    Yea, like any of them have given up 😉

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2020 4:31 pm

    snag stand? Never heard of it and I reluctantly visit the CBD no more than four or five times a year! (I live near the coast much nicer)

    And if I couldn’t come up with something better than that menus I’d sell my outdoor kitchen tomorrow – and that ain’t gonna happen! Whole deep sea trout in the freezer ready for tomorrow night, compliments of my keen fisher-person up the road …

  8. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2020 7:05 pm

    All is not lost!

    https://m.ellaslist.com.au/articles/the-6-best-all-you-can-eat-buffets-in-brisbane

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2020 7:39 pm

    Jesus fkn Christ I had no idea all you Mexicans were into fkn buffets … although having eaten in Melbourne I should have …

    FYI … I DON’T eat out much … I’m blessed with a large extended family of cooks and chefs!

  10. November 13, 2020 8:37 pm

    “I had no idea all you Mexicans were into fkn buffets ”

    We’re not TB…

    I think you overlooked the fact that ToM was being quite generous in offering a list of other ‘eating establishments’ you may wish to frequent now that ‘Sizzler’ has shut down.

    You see, despite our political differences, that’s just the kind of community spirit and sense of good will this place embodies.

  11. November 13, 2020 8:44 pm

    “I’m blessed with a large extended family of cooks and chefs!

    So I see…

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2020 11:57 pm

    Bernard King! I knew him too! Remember New Faces? Asked me to attend his bloody “workshops” for “budding artists”, I couldn’t afford $2 a week … those were the days!

    You see, despite our political differences, that’s just the kind of community spirit and sense of good will this place embodies.

    reb, you forget our long history … and I know BS when I read it!

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2020 11:58 pm

    Pronounced Bernaaard … LOL!

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2020 8:22 am

    I haven’t been to Brisbane since I retired!! I miss the fine dining!

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcT1GktGAwYbT96atxdq-1fz9O4GgfXKWNxTzw&usqp=CAU

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2020 10:15 am

    Brisbane hasn’t missed you ToM …

    And the QUEENSLANDER! border has been closed to Mexicans for some time now … even the Cockroaches didn’t want you … speaking of whom, suddenly yellow number plates everywhere in the Sunshine State!

    And no-one’s particularly bothered about visiting Mexico, now perceived as a state full of miserable, whinging, recalcitrants … who can’t play golf, nor read …

  16. November 14, 2020 10:58 am

    “And no-one’s particularly bothered about visiting Mexico, now perceived as a state full of miserable, whinging, recalcitrants … who can’t play golf, nor read …”

    Yeah, whereas in Queensland…

  17. November 14, 2020 11:35 am

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  18. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2020 3:38 pm

    Yeah, whereas in Queensland…

    She’s gone to Melbourne … all yours …

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2020 2:32 pm

    Quiet here, all you Mexicans, Cockroaches and Croweaters must be allowed out to play again … 😂

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2020 7:17 pm

    Premier Daniel Andrews has revealed he will seek advice from chief health officer Brett Sutton on whether the state’s coronavirus pandemic rules should “follow” Victorians when they travel across borders.

    Great idea!! Maybe we should just have Victorian regulations apply to everyone throughout Australia!

    All those careless non-mask wearers can all understand how a sensible government operates!!

    And send Victorian police interstate to issue the country’s highest fines to everyone.

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2020 8:15 pm

    ToM … had the recalcitrant Victorians (that you seem to support) followed earlier INSTRUCTIONS, as Queenslanders did, primarily to protect each other .. then maybe you would be accepted by other Aussies … but the BS from so many Mexican dickheads has made ALL Victorians, including the majority that did the right thing, pariahs in other states and territories … well done … live with it …

    Had a lovely Thursday fishing with friends … guess who cooked the all day breakfast? 😛

    https://bbqboathire.com.au/

  22. November 16, 2020 12:55 am

    Don’t wanna do spoilers…

    But Katee Sackhoff was in The Mandalorian Season 2 when I watched it last night…and His Dark Materials, Season 2, starts Tuesday…

    I have spoken.

  23. November 16, 2020 12:59 am

    Potentially very serious outbreak in Adelaide.

    I am hoping to get daughter out of there after final exam on Tuesday, she’s supposed to be doing a scholarship placement with a local GP from next week, but things seem to be escalating very quickly…hope we can get her back here for that before shit starts getting locked down hard.

    Even better, outbreak somehow contained and no need for serious restrictions.

    Things can get loose very quickly…but at least we’re not registering 150,000+ new cases per day.

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2020 10:54 am

    G’day Toylet!

    Is that your daughter’s final/final exam? How time disappears! Seems only yesterday you were “hoping” she would follow family tradition. Congratulations.

    My g/daughter is currently in her second year of a four year nurse/paramedic double on her latest prac. in Coolum, then finished for this year. She also works casual at JB HiFi – staff discount is really good!!!

    … son in law just graduated from Salford Uni with his Masters in Project Engineering.

    All adds to a broad range of “skills and knowledge” across our family.

    Stay safe.

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2020 12:06 pm

    ASX been flatlining since just after 10:00 am Eastern Silly Time

  26. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 16, 2020 1:02 pm

    Apparently a technical glitch has halted trading on the ASX

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2020 5:56 pm

    What wonderful economic managers this pitiful Sooty & The Gang are proving not to be ….

    The Australian government has agreed to a $1.2bn settlement for a class action brought on behalf of hundreds of thousands of robodebt victims.

    In a deal struck the day a federal court trial was set to begin, 400,000 people will share in $112m in additional compensation, the firm running the action, Gordon Legal, announced on Monday.

    The settlement also includes commitments to repay $720m in debts and wipe a further $400m in unlawful demands, which the government had agreed to in a humiliating backdown in May.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/16/robodebt-class-action-coalition-agrees-to-pay-12bn-to-settle-lawsuit

    Not a murmur at news.com …

  28. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 16, 2020 6:56 pm

    What wonderful economic managers this pitiful Sooty & The Gang are proving not to be ….

    Perhaps but in 2016 Coalition introduced a new method to determine income. They used a computer method rather than fortnightly statements. I don’t know but i suspect it was the next step in computerising Robodebt which started in 2011. This world is becoming more computerised all the time.

    Apparently not only was income averaging a bad way to determine income it was also illegal. Hence the lawsuit. I would like to know what advice Roberts/Coalition received when the new income determining method was introduced

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2020 7:42 pm

    Roberts/Coalition received when the new income determining method was introduced

    A lot that they ignored! And ended up at the AAT!

  30. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 16, 2020 7:51 pm

    TB

    Most politicians are not that smart. I suspect that whatever the Coalition introduced in 2016 was the next step in a fully compterised system thought up by the Public Service. But for some reason not only was income averaging a bad way to determine income but it was illegal for some reason.

  31. November 17, 2020 10:54 am

    Remember when the RWNJ’s argued against Australia’s lockdowns citing Sweden’s strategy as superior …..

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 17, 2020 11:11 am

    I also remember when Sweden was held up by the LWNJs as an example of the type of democracy and economy that Australia should be.
    What they tended to ignore is that the people that live in Sweden weren’t so keen on that system!

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2020 12:31 pm

    What they tended to ignore is that the people that live in Sweden weren’t so keen on that system!

    Link?

    Go on admit that Dan got it right!

    And BTW a system is only as good as the people who operate it … for a link(s) check any news outlet and online media and pay particular attention to a boofhead named Trump …

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2020 12:39 pm

    Most politicians are not that smart.

    Ya got that right … but they don’t listen to people who are!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/06/centrelink-was-warned-robodebts-could-be-inaccurate-more-than-four-years-ago

    And Ministers are continually slow learners in the Morrison government …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/02/coalition-wont-rule-out-passing-new-laws-to-reboot-robodebt-scheme

    Unless they have their hands in the public purse, profiting from personal dodgy deals and
    entertaining themselves and donors at taxpayer expense!

    This government couldn’t manage a fuck in a brothel!

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 17, 2020 1:08 pm

    There is no need for a link TB, the evidence is the government they elect and the policies in place, with public support.

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2020 4:40 pm

    Sweden was held up by the LWNJs as an example … What they tended to ignore is that the people that live in Sweden weren’t so keen on that system!

    Link?

    the evidence is the government they elect

    WTF are you talking about … what “evidence” to your (very) original comment?

    What evidence? Who wasn’t so keen and why?

  37. November 17, 2020 4:52 pm

    “WTF are you talking about”

    My sentiments exactly… 🙄

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2020 4:52 pm

    The minister overseeing the federal government’s unlawful ‘Robodebt’ program claimed he “stood in and stopped it”, despite previously having rebuffed complaints.

    Government Services Minister Stuart Robert has been accused of “post-truth politics” after seeking to absolve the Coalition of responsibility for the unlawful scheme, which led to a mammoth $1.23 billion refund and compensation settlement on Monday.

    Mr Robert denied the Coalition was solely at fault in the income-matching debacle, claiming it was “a long standing practice” that had been used by Labor governments back to the 1980s. This is correct, but the framework was automated, with human beings taken out of it, under Coalition changes to the scheme in 2016.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/11/17/stuart-robert-robodebt-post-truth/

    I hope the bastard’s lying arse burns off …

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 17, 2020 5:31 pm

    Politics in Sweden is deeply divided, the traditional parties are even more on the nose than here. Try google.com.au
    It contains some relevant information

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2020 5:33 pm

    My sentiments exactly…

    I forgot you had sentimental side, reb … 😎

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2020 5:36 pm

    Try google.com.au

    No you justify your comments … I’m well aware of the diverse parties an the structure of the minority coalition government – if that’s what you mean — say it!

    Whenever you are challenged you always come up “political fudge speak” or “boardroom burble” …

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 17, 2020 5:54 pm

    TB, it’s always entertaining when you get all huffy and demanding

    As for “boardroom burble”… can you explain (again) how you marched into that boardroom and told that what’s what!!

  43. November 17, 2020 6:39 pm

    “it’s always entertaining when you get all huffy and demanding”

    Oh, the irony…

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2020 7:07 pm

    More bluster … I’ve never walked into a boardroom and told anyone anything …

    As usual hypocrisy and narcissism

    And a a massive look over there!

    You know why we like you here … it’s always entertaining when you get all huffy … and avoiding an answer … from what is usually a dumb comment with no foundation …

    I also remember when Sweden was held up by the LWNJs as an example of the type of democracy and economy that Australia should be.

    All I asked for was a LINK to your assertion … still waiting … as usual …

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 17, 2020 7:20 pm

    Why do you always expect others to do your research? If you disagree, say why.
    I’ve given you all the help you require to do some research

  46. Tony permalink
    November 17, 2020 7:35 pm

    In case youse are wondering, my Trump bets are still alive. Something to do with “contested”.

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2020 10:55 pm

    I’ve given you all the help you require to do some research

    No you made a statement I call BS —

    I also remember when Sweden was held up by the LWNJs as an example of the type of democracy and economy that Australia should be.

    Your “memory” isn’t proof …

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 18, 2020 7:57 am

    TB, I don’t care what you call anything. Bluster away!
    If you have a different view, express it and you’re welcome to post a link that disproves mine if you wish.
    But really just because you say -” LINK!!” , is no reason for me to jump to attention. In fact the complete opposite is the case
    Try doing a little of your own research, you might learn something

  49. November 18, 2020 10:50 am

    Sad news for Splats…

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2020 11:48 am

    Try doing a little of your own research, you might learn something

    How could I ever research what goes on in your mind … if I could, I doubt I’d learn anything …

    YOU made a comment beginning with “I remember” … that’s not “research” that’s BS … you need to prove it … as most of us here do – with a link as evidence …

    Don’t blame others for your nonsense …

    ToM, I don’t care what you write. Bluster away!

    Its good fun to watch you dodge and weave …

    Can’t wait for the next BS Bulletin …

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 18, 2020 1:01 pm

    If you don’t care what i write, why do you make demands about what I write.
    TB’s personal motto- Spaccano quindi sono

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 18, 2020 1:04 pm

    “I bluster therefore I am”

  53. November 18, 2020 2:20 pm

    Has Morrison and Frydenberg called for SA’s lockdown to be lifted yet?

  54. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2020 2:22 pm

    “I bluster therefore I am”

    lol, I just saw this first, and … lol

    Anyway, here we are, trapped by Dictator Steve after a MASSIVE fiasco with rooting security guards and DISASTROUS contact tracing.

    OR

    An unfortunate series of events means, SA is now VIC

    Sorry for all that shit we said 🙂

    I guess frydenburgers about to blast us, and scotties gonna be making veiled threats across the closed borders?

    Can’t wait for credlin to rock up to our first press conference to ask what happened when with whomever was where …. sorry, what was my question, and why are you such a bad dictator who wants to rule the world?

    On the other hand, for some reason I cannot quite pinpoint, I reckon we might get treated a little better than Vic did by the rightWingFuckwittery

  55. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2020 4:06 pm

    Remember how some people died installing Pink Batts because companies broke the law, and Peter Garrett lost his job.

    Now, a Government explicitly sets out to badger people into giving them money, killing an untold number of victims, and nobody is going to lose their job even. Why?

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2020 5:00 pm

    Oh I used to like this game …

    Partum ego cogito ergo sum, ToM

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2020 5:01 pm

    Oh wait … here’s another quote from ToM!

    Cogito ergo sum ego faciam in cacas

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2020 5:02 pm

    Oh WOW! Another

    Perge igitur et ego peperi infinitum

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2020 5:04 pm

    And another …

    Må lyset brænde stærkt i dit hulhul

    Noice …

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2020 5:05 pm

    Been out all day gotta catch up on markets and “news” … see youse …

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2020 11:36 pm

    State of Orange!

    QUEENSLANDER!

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    November 19, 2020 9:56 am

    This headline is disturbing …

    ‘BY THE GRACE OF GOD’: Cough that triggered chaos and lockdown

    South Australia might’ve caught its second wave of coronavirus just in time – and it all came down to one tenacious young doctor. Follow our live coverage.

    It had nothing to do with god … if it has, then god created the fkn virus in the first place!

    Typical Mordock hypocritical crap …

  63. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 19, 2020 4:28 pm

    Now, a Government explicitly sets out to badger people into giving them money, killing an untold number of victims, and nobody is going to lose their job even. Why?

    Because it never happened. You have a link for that accusation??

    BTW Robodebt started in 2011 under Shorten/ALP. In 2016 Coalition introduced a new method to determine income- income averaging. It turned out to be a disaster. Also for some reason income averaging is against the law, hence the lawsuit.

  64. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 19, 2020 5:47 pm

    TomR

    I think you are insane. Lots of things in that post

    1.Relationship break up
    2. Bullying at work
    3.unemployed
    4. mental heath problems so he moved back with his Mum
    5. Applied to join the Army but was rejected
    6, Rejected for unemployment benefit

    What has being rejected for the unemployment benefit got to do with Robodebt?

    Why would a healthy 22 year old man kill himself because he had a $2,000 debt. Most people have lots more debt than that.

    You know suicide is a difficult problem.

    Only a sick and demented Labor Party voter would use dead bodies for political purposes. You are an evil man who use dead bodies to support your beliefs.

    The number of deaths pre 2016 was the same as post 2016 when the Coalition changed some things in Labors Robodebt scheme

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    November 19, 2020 7:50 pm

    Kneel, you are the biggest heartless, dumbarse on the internet and I’ve read so many!

    Robodebt, officially known as the Online Compliance Intervention scheme, was introduced in 2015 by the conservative government, with the aim of saving A$1.7bn.

    At the time, Minister for Human Services Alan Tudge said people were cheating the welfare system. “We’ll find you, we’ll track you down, you will have to pay those debts and you may end up in prison,” he said.

    After that call, Ms Madgwick says, Jarrad checked his welfare account. That was when he learnt that he owed A$2,000 (£1,100; $1,500) to the government. The debt was an apparent overpayment of a previous student benefit he had received – and this had barred his new claim.

    “From then on, he was just distressed and inconsolable. But he was still desperately trying for jobs right up until the moment he left the house,” Ms Madgwick told the BBC.

    … ever heard of the straw that broke the camel’s back … why keep kicking people when they are down!

    Only a sick and demented Labor Party voter would use dead bodies for political purposes. You are an evil man who use dead bodies to support your beliefs.

    Only a person lacking human feeling would attack the defence of a victim with a political insult for his extreme misguided political purpose in defending cruel and misguided political decisions – evil does not even describe your comments – demented maybe.

    Shame on you … if I was christian I would condemn you to purgatory.

    Thankfully I’m not …

    And the Robodebt in question???? That Kneels so desperately defends!

    In the system established in 2011, Centrelink staff manually checked customer records against data provided by the Australian Taxation Office (ATO), generating debt notices at an estimated rate of about 20,000 a year.[4][5] In July 2016, the manual system was replaced with the Online Compliance Intervention, an automated data-matching technique with less human oversight, capable of identifying and issuing computer-generated debt notices to welfare recipients who had potentially been overpaid.[3][4] Announced to the public in December 2016, by then-Minister for Social Services Christian Porter, this new automated debt recovery scheme – given the colloquial name ‘robodebt’ by the media[8][19] – was estimated to be capable of issuing debt notices at a rate of 20,000 a week

    (BTW, lovin’, The Last Kingdom books! Thanks, Bernie Cornwall)

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    November 19, 2020 7:54 pm

    “Nothing is new” — 1995, Aish, Associate Professor, Cairo Museum, (Nile River guide)

  67. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 19, 2020 8:05 pm

    … ever heard of the straw that broke the camel’s back … why keep kicking people when they are down!

    OK i am willing to admit i may be heartless

    But why would a healthy 22 year old man kill himself over a $2,000 debt??

    My experience is that ALP/Greens are heartless and use dead bodies for political purposes.

    Nobody knows why that 22 year old committed suicide

    BTW your second link is wrong

    In July 2016, the manual system was replaced with the Online Compliance Intervention,

    This is garbage. In 2011 the manual system was replaced with OCI but Labor had a human check the computers results. In 2016 Coalition removed human checking of the computers results

    The media loves to tell lies about the Coalition. Robodebt started in 2011 when Shorten/ALP replaced manual checking between the ATO and Centrelink with computers to save money

  68. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 19, 2020 8:37 pm

    TB

    You should comment on my post. I think ALP/Greens supporters use dead bodies for political purpose.

    Why would a healthy 22 year old man with a $2,000 debt commit suicide?? Have you ever had a $2,000 debt???

    BTW data matching between the ATO and Centrelink started in the early 1990’s when Richardson was Minister. In 2011 Shorten/ALP computerised the process to save money. That is when Robodebt started

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    November 19, 2020 8:51 pm

    OK i am willing to admit i may be heartless

    But why would a healthy 22 year old man kill himself over a $2,000 debt??

    My experience is that ALP/Greens are heartless and use dead bodies for political purposes.

    Nobody knows why that 22 year old committed suicide

    BTW your second link is wrong

    One by one:

    Not maybe … you are heartless …

    What has age and debt value to do with despair … heartless … would age or value change anything … human beings are fragile and ultimately feel responsible … absolutely heartless …

    Your experience is NOT evidence and its not experience – its brain washing – your comment demonstrates an extreme right wing mentality …

    You got that right … so why do you keep questioning why he committed suicide … its pretty obvious to any intelligent person …

    The second link? There is only one?

    Do you mean …

    In July 2016, the manual system was replaced with the Online Compliance Intervention,

    Online Compliance Intervention ——- OCI

    And your subsequent comment …

    This is garbage. In 2011 the manual system was replaced with OCI but Labor had a human check the computers results. In 2016 Coalition removed human checking of the computers results

    Do you understand that … the Labor system had a human check the computers results and was replaced – in 2016 Coalition removed human checking of the computers results

    Do you know who the PM was in 2016?

    Do you know anything?

    Are you a Liberal regurgitation computer?

    I forgot how difficult it was to engage the automaton … the first line, above, is a clue …

  70. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 19, 2020 9:05 pm

    the Labor system had a human check the computers results and was replaced – in 2016 Coalition removed human checking of the computers results

    Ok for once you got something right. But Robodebt started in 2011 when Shorten/ALP removed humans and replaced them with computers to data match between the ATO and Centrelink

    Fact is some people died after 2016 when Coalition made some changes to Labors Robodebt scheme. Guess what? The death rate was the same pre 2016

    Like all lefties you are EVIL. You use dead bodied for political purposes.

  71. Tom R permalink
    November 19, 2020 9:50 pm

    My experience is that ALP/Greens are heartless and use dead bodies for political purposes.

    Children Overboard?
    Pink Batts?

    fark you’re an idiot nil

    the Labor system had a human check the computers results

    Yes, nothing wrong with using the method to garner a data set to work with, a different thing to just assume everyone within that set has a debt. I mean, it went from 2,000 per year to 2,00 per week. Someone must have known then that something was up then. Yet they lied and bullied for years, bringing untold misery to thousands

  72. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 19, 2020 10:01 pm

    TomR you said this

    Now, a Government explicitly sets out to badger people into giving them money, killing an untold number of victims

    now you say this

    Yet they lied and bullied for years, bringing untold misery to thousands

    Like all lefties you are evil. In this case you are using dead bodies for political purposes, You went from saying the Coalition killed untold numbers of people to the Coalition brought untold misery

    TomR you are a misleader and deceiver of people and get sexual thrills telling lies. And those are your good points

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2020 9:36 am

    TomR you are a misleader and deceiver of people and get sexual thrills telling lies

    Stringer for Global Times?

    Ego-syntonic behavior?

    More narcissism?

    Or one just one sick puppy?

    Banned from how many sites? How many times?

  74. ivi permalink
    November 20, 2020 9:37 am

    (Oh)

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2020 3:13 pm

    So that’s how you really get your “sexual thrills”, TR!

  76. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 20, 2020 3:38 pm

    OK i lost my temper and said things i should not have said. But what should i have said to this comment by TomR??

    Now, a Government explicitly sets out to badger people into giving them money, killing an untold number of victims

    TomR stated a Coalition govt policy killed untold numbers of people. If true the Coalition should be condemned

    TomRs statement is wrong. TomR made a wicked comment that is not true.

    That is why i could not vote for ALP/Greens. Most of their comments are wrong. Furthermore TomR is using dead bodies for political purposes

  77. Tom R permalink
    November 20, 2020 5:54 pm

    So that’s how you really get your “sexual thrills”, TR

    I shall neither deny nor confirm those …… intriguing ideas 😉

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 20, 2020 6:55 pm

    A report today outlines that the military has uncontrolled thugs in its ranks that neglected their duty… on the same day as a report details the uncontrolled thugs in the police neglected their duty to protect the public.
    It’s time politicians stopped thanking these people. It makes me want to puke every time a politician thinks it is popular to brown nose to these thugs on that are the public payroll

  79. Tony permalink
    November 20, 2020 7:14 pm

    Sportsbet wagers on Trump are still alive, and Betfair’s market for next president is still open. Just sayin’.

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 20, 2020 7:23 pm

    Now, a Government explicitly sets out to badger people into giving them money, killing an untold number of victims

    1. Data matching between the ATO and Centrelink was started by Richardson/ALP in the early 1990’s but it was done manually

    2. Data matching between the ATO and Centrelink was computerised by Shorten/ALP in 2011. Robodebt had started

    3. In 2016 Coalition removed human checking of the computers results and introduced a new method to determine income-income averaging which turned out to be a disaster and also illegal for some reason

    4. The ABC, the taxpayer funded media arm of the ALP decided to publish the number of people who died after Coalition changes in 2016

    Question- Why did the ABC decide to publish the number of people who died after the Coalition made changes to Labors Robodebt scheme started in 2011

    BTW it turns out that the number of deaths pre 2016 was the same as post 2016

  81. Tom R permalink
    November 20, 2020 7:30 pm

    after the Coalition made changes to Labors

    Perplexing, aint it. (if yor an idiot anyway)

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2020 7:51 pm

    Perplexing … I’m sick of reading his shit … and trying to educate the dopey bastard … I still reckon its AI programmed …

  83. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 20, 2020 8:02 pm

    TB

    You should read my comments you might learn something. I am still waiting for some evidence for this immoral statement

    Now, a Government explicitly sets out to badger people into giving them money, killing an untold number of victims

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2020 8:02 pm

    A report today outlines that the military has uncontrolled thugs in its ranks that neglected their duty…

    There ya go again … half cocked … look up – “alleged” …

    Then look up – “fair trial”

    Then look up – “innocent until proved guilty” …

    Google’s good …

    Then consider the other 87,000+ serving members before you write any more crap.

    Then consider your freedom to write whatever crap you want … and who earned and constantly defends that freedom … and the answer – is not you …

    And stop watching shit like SAS: Who Dares Wins … and believing war movies

    finis

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2020 8:03 pm

    Programmed …

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2020 8:05 pm

    More evidence of Dodgy Gladys? Obviously not a koala fan …

    Gladys Berejiklian has sacked a parliamentary secretary for voting against her government’s controversial land clearing bill and said she will revert to old koala protection laws until a new policy can be drafted.

    The New South Wales premier made the comment on Thursday night after the Liberal MP Catherine Cusack crossed the floor to send the local land services amendment (miscellaneous) bill to a committee to debate proposed amendments, delaying its passage until next year.

    In a joint statement on Thursday night, Berejiklian and her deputy, the Nationals leader, John Barilaro, said the government would effectively shelve its bill, which would have exempted private rural landholders from having to recognise the expanded definition of koala habitat under the koala state environmental planning policy (Sepp) that nearly split the Coalition.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/20/nsw-koala-war-flares-as-gladys-berejiklian-sacks-parliamentary-secretary-for-crossing-floor

  87. Tony permalink
    November 20, 2020 9:30 pm

    Then look up – “fair trial”
    Then look up – “innocent until proved guilty” …

    Oh right. Why didn’t you apply the same standard to … I dunno … George Pell?

    Something to do with hypocrisy. Oh, and bigotry.

  88. Tom R permalink
    November 20, 2020 9:34 pm

    I still reckon its AI programmed

    #RoboDick

    Why didn’t you apply the same standard to … I dunno … George Pell?

    You mean, the one who no one was allowed to know who it was until he was found guilty?

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2020 11:05 pm

    Oh right. Why didn’t you apply the same standard to … I dunno

    In fact I did …

    Bigotry? I’ve only criticised the catholic church for its hypocrisy – with evidence … unlike some here I prefer links …

  90. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 21, 2020 8:52 am

    … unlike some here I prefer links unsubstantiated bluster …

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2020 9:15 am

    Get your daily nonsense here:

    httpps://www. ToM’s Morning Fake News November 21, 2020 8:52 am

  92. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 21, 2020 3:27 pm

    TomR

    I am still waiting for your inflammatory statement. You said this

    Now, a Government explicitly sets out to badger people into giving them money, killing an untold number of victims

    Any evidence for you statement???

  93. Tom R permalink
    November 21, 2020 3:49 pm

    Any evidence for you statement???

    Repetition, repetition

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-54970253

  94. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 21, 2020 4:09 pm

    TomR

    You said untold numbers .I have dealt with that link before. One example which is not true. The guy had multiple problems like most people have.

    You are using dead bodies for political purposes

  95. Tom R permalink
    November 21, 2020 4:56 pm

    The guy had multiple problems like most people have.

    Now, a Government explicitly sets out to badger people, many who had multiple problems already, into giving them money, killing an untold number of victims.

  96. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 21, 2020 5:05 pm

    TomR

    The death rate pre-2016 was the same as post 2016 when The Coalition made changes to Labors Robodebt scheme

    If you want to use dead bodies for political purposes that is your decision

  97. Tom R permalink
    November 21, 2020 5:16 pm

    The death rate pre-2016 was the same as post 2016

    link

    Here’s one. Bathe yourself in it

    https://www.notmydebt.com.au/stories/notmydebt-stories

  98. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 21, 2020 6:27 pm

    TomR

    I looked at the first page and did not see anyone say they died after 2016. If fact it was that NotMyDebt guy who pointed out to me that the death rate after 2016 was the same as before 2016. He told me on Twitter before i was banned

  99. Tom R permalink
    November 21, 2020 6:45 pm

    He told me on Twitter before i was banned

    And …. that was your link???

  100. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 21, 2020 7:25 pm

    Yes and no. The ABC Hack article implying that 2.030 people died after 2016 due to Coalition policy changes also posted a comment down the bottom of the article that the death rate after 2016 was a normal death rate

    But that 2,030 people who died morphed into 2,000 people committed suicide

    Fact is after 2016 notices were sent to 900,000 people during the time the ABC HACK article investigated and 2,030 died. A normal death rate for a population that size

    And you wonder why i get angry

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2020 7:45 pm

    And you wonder why i get angry

    He told me on Twitter before i was banned

    Twitter! Banned!

    Pretty hard to “prove” suicides are linked to any one thing …

    However …

    New data shows 2030 people have died after receiving an initial robodebt letter, which doesn’t set an amount to be paid back, but asks them to confirm their previously submitted income information. Of those that were told they did owe money to the department, 812 have died.

    Of the 2030, some 663 were considered “vulnerable” by the agency, which includes people who have serious mental health issues, intellectual disabilities, are experiencing homelessness or escaping family violence.

    The figures cover a period starting in July 2016 and ending October last year, but those with vulnerability markers were only included in the robodebt process midway through 2018.

    Greens Senator Rachel Siewert asked for the information and said that while the figures did not prove a causal link between someone receiving a notice and dying, it showed a problem.

    “Particularly when you look at the number of people that had vulnerability markers, 663 is around 32 per cent. I find that quite disturbing and worrying,” Senator Siewert said.

    “It does look concerning when you first look at the data and I’d say it should be a cause for concern for the department to look at.”

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/minister-denies-robodebt-caused-more-than-2000-deaths-20190217-p50yep.html

    And linking the death rate to ALL Centrelink recipients is mischievous to say the least … the majority of Centrelink clients are aged pensioners … who don’t work …

  102. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 21, 2020 7:59 pm

    This is the ABC HACK article which caused people to believe 2,000 people committed suicide after 2016 after Coalition made changes to Robodebt started in 2011. It says this down the bottom

    https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/2030-people-have-died-after-receiving-centrelink-robodebt-notice/10821272

    “The department sent more than 900,000 debt letters to individuals during the period 1 July 2016 to 31 October 2018. A total of 2030 of those individuals died during the same period, which represents 0.21 per cent.”

    This was more than ten times lower than the overall death rate for all of the department’s customers during the same period, which was 3.64 per cent.”

    And you wonder why i hate the ABC, Greens, ALP and all leftists

  103. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 21, 2020 8:10 pm

    One more time for the dummies

    The department sent more than 900,000 debt letters to individuals during the period 1 July 2016 to 31 October 2018. A total of 2030 of those individuals died during the same period, which represents 0.21 per cent.”

    This was more than ten times lower than the overall death rate for all of the department’s customers during the same period, which was 3.64 per cent.”

  104. Tom R permalink
    November 21, 2020 10:31 pm

    One more time for the dummies

    “during the same period”

    you said

    2016 was a normal death rate

    So, still waiting on link that this is ‘normal’ with pre 2016

    But to your irrelevant comment, this was the next text after your cut and paste of irrelevancy

    It’s important to note here that the figures provided by the spokesperson include deaths of people who receive a pension payment, which by definition puts them in the older age bracket.

    Apparently, older people die more than younger people. Who knew?

    But you continue to support a party that has used deaths for years to try and blame on Labor, while they implement policies that “explicitly sets out to badger people, many who had multiple problems already, into giving them money, killing an untold number of victims.”

    And meanwhile, I shall await a relevant link with relevant info. Seems to be something I do a lot of. At least yomm just posts his worldly experiences as his ‘links’, not stupid crap that means nothing

    Wait …………. oh, so you’re both doing the same thing, just with different methods 😉

  105. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 21, 2020 10:56 pm

    TomR

    You are the one making the allegation. Not me. The ABC Hack article implied that there was nothing unusual about 2,030 people dying out of 900,000 over a 2 year period.

    You are the one using dead bodies for political purposes so i think you should front up with evidence for your claims

  106. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 21, 2020 11:01 pm

    Death rate in Australia is 6.3 per 1,000 people every year. So for 900,000 people that means 5,000-6,000 people should die.

    So 2,030 people dying on Centrelink payments out of 900,000 people over 2 years is normal

  107. Tom R permalink
    November 21, 2020 11:17 pm

    Ni dil, the article didn’t imply it, the liberal minister did. And to do that, he used the death rate of old age pensioners as a comparison. In short, he was bullshitting. I’m not surprised you fell for it.

    There is nothing there at all about pre 2016, nothing.

    Pretty much like inside your head

  108. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2020 11:28 am

    Sweden at least are FINALLY beginning to see the error of their ways TB. Too little, too late?

    As has pvo. At least someone in the media is agitating about this. I assume he is going to be disappeared from our airwaves soon?

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2020 11:43 am

    Eventually they catch up!

    Been sayin’ it for (too many) years now …

    You’d think it would be common sense,*hey?

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2020 11:45 am

    Good on PvO – not always agreed with his comments but he got this right!

  111. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 22, 2020 7:11 pm

    Ni dil, the article didn’t imply it, the liberal minister did.

    TomR the ABC article started with this headline

    Over 2000 people died after receiving Centrelink robo-debt notice, figures reveal

    What are people supposed to think?? It was that Notmydebt guy on Twitter who told me there was nothing sinister about the death rate.

    2,030 people dying out of 900,000 people who received notices over a two year period is normal. You want to believe those 2,000 people died due to Coalition policy. So do most ALP supporters. That is the problem.

  112. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2020 9:53 am

    What are people supposed to think?

    lol. You. Talking about thinking . lol

    Speaking of thinking, did anyone think to ask the pm WHY he would take a photographer into lockdown with him. AND, if it is even within the rules? I was under the impression lockdown was with your immediate family?

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2020 5:28 pm

    Superannuation doesn’t bother me much these days I can’t add to it in Drawdown and I was never eligible for Compulsory Super (went into business in 1992).

    BUT … there are people in my family who are in their late teen, early twenties and late twenties … so I still have an interest …

    Why do politicians get 15.4% super and workers 9.5% … why would Liberal politicians stop or stall the next super rise to 10% (eventually 12%)?

    This is the same political party who detests people on welfare … so they make it difficult for people to create a retirement fund … and then whinge when they have to support them?

    Ya can’t have two bites at the same cherry! Especially if its someone else’s fkn cherry!

  114. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 23, 2020 5:53 pm

    Why do politicians get 15.4% super and workers 9.5% …

    All govt workers get 15.4% Super because they have access to taxpayers money and strong Unions. It used to be even more generous. They used to be on defined benefit benefit schemes getting a pension for life. Costello put a end to around around 2005. But gone are the days when Public Servants are paid less than private sector employees

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2020 7:52 pm

    Costello put a end to around around 2005

    I think you’ll find they nicked Mark Latham’s* 2004 policy …

    * soap isn’t enough, Mark Latham, was/still is a dick! But credit where credit is due … IT.WAS.NOT.LIBERAL.POLICY.

  116. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2020 8:29 pm


    and strong Unions
    ..
    But gone are the days when Public Servants are paid less than private sector employees

    Perplexing really, isn’t it.

  117. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 23, 2020 9:06 pm

    TomR

    My understanding is that Public Servants used to get lower wages in exchange for job security. Now they appear to get getting higher wages or at least better Super and job security. How many PS’s lost their jobs during the pandemic??

  118. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2020 10:49 pm

    My understanding is

    Just gives me a laugh every time 🙂

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2020 10:22 am

    One thing that hasn’t changed since Prime Minister Robert Menzies cleared the first shipment of wheat to “Red China” in the early 1960s is that the giant nation is governed by an authoritarian Communist Party.

    That government has lifted 500 million of its people out of poverty and has a rapidly expanding middle class.

    Well that puts paid to an old “argument” …

    Actually it was the CCP’s introduction of capitalism and joining the World Trade Organisation and the Western democracy’s willingness to trade …

    Which begs the question why?

    Why not lift India out of poverty in the same way? And simply ignore China and trade … reduced trade, reduced wealth, reduced power, reduced militiary,reduced possibility of armed conflict,civilians being slaughtered in their millions …

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2020 10:27 am

    The present Liberal Feral* Government is really good at handling Australia’s economy …

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/11/24/paul-bongiorno-china-policy-bad-business/

  121. November 24, 2020 11:12 am

    How good was Paul Keating on ABC730 last night…?

    Takes me back to a time when politicians actually knew their stuff rather than just their lines.

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2020 11:40 am

    Agree, reb … tho’ PK did stumble a couple of times his argument was sound fkn Liberal’s have no idea when it comes to the economy … still fucking around with Reagan’s Trickle Down Shit …

    Looks a lot different to when I met him in 1992 in Brisbane! But then we all do! I mean … just look at you! 😎

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2020 11:43 am

    Trump agrees to begin transition to Biden administration

  124. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 24, 2020 12:13 pm

    Liberal’s have no idea when it comes to the economy

    Twice in the lifetimes of Australians we had ZERO govt debt and low unemployment, in 1972 and 2007.

    Both of those times it was the Coalition that produced ZERO govt debt and low unemployment. Both of those times LABOR was elected, trashed the budget and did untold damage. After Whitlam trashed the budget debt reached 18% of GDP by 1996. Howard/Costello reduced debt to ZERO by 2007

    Then Rudd trashed the budget but this time i see no end to increasing govt debt. Those who think govt debt is not a problem are about to find out

  125. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2020 1:07 pm

    Yes, Paul Keating was great! What a pity the unions f***ed his reforming government
    They delivered the government to Howard and, because they resisted Keating’s attempt to reform the waterfront, the Patrick’s dispute as well.
    We should be so grateful that they control the ALP

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2020 1:51 pm

    Unions BOO!

  127. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2020 2:19 pm

    Yes TB, they f***ed the Keating Government. But you’d probably think that’s fine.

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2020 2:57 pm

    As usual, Tommy, your assumptions are incorrect

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2020 3:19 pm

    You’re welcome to prove them wrong. But i doubt whether you will.

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2020 4:25 pm

    Your assumptions … you prove ’em …

    Your assumptions are absolutely incorrect.

    Unions Boo!

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 24, 2020 5:27 pm

    Liberal’s have no idea when it comes to the economy

    Name me one Labor govt that has left the economy in good shape??

    In 1972 Whitlam/ALP was handed a economy with unemployment at 2% and zero govt debt. In 2007 Rudd/ALP were handed a economy with zero govt debt and unemployment at 4%

  132. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2020 5:37 pm

    TB, rest assured, you are the very last person I would follow directions from.
    It’s a typical intellectually lazy reply- ” you prove it, and I’ll let you know when you’ve proved it to my satisfaction ”
    You’re welcome to demonstrate that I’m wrong, but I doubt whether you’re capable of that.

  133. November 24, 2020 11:11 pm

    “It’s a typical intellectually lazy reply”

    Really, do you have a link for that, or is it just your own feelpinion bullshit lazy reply…?

  134. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2020 8:33 am

    You’re welcome to prove them wrong

    Normally, when someone makes a statement, and others call bullshit, it’s the one making the statement that needs to prove their assertion

    Usually 😉

  135. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2020 8:39 am

    The fuck is it with our ‘leaders”

    In sa, we shut the state down (harsher than the Vics ever did) on the word(?) of a one foreign student with dubious English skills who has been forced by our federal Government to beg, borrow and or steal for the last year to survive, and they have hung him out to dry. Even IF he lied (which, considering our federal Government was using google fucking translate to warn foreigners of Covid, (inaccurately it turns out)), who the hell shuts a state down without confirming the story?

    And in nsw, their ‘leader’ makes up her of COVID rules to suit her.

    What do all these clusterfucks have in common?

  136. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 25, 2020 9:40 am

    Anyone can use google to find the efforts unions of unions to stymie the Keating Government’s waterfront reform agenda. It is lazy to just demand a link.
    That’s TB’s default reply and I don’t bother to conform to his demands. Quite the contrary.

  137. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2020 9:54 am

    So, the waterfront reform brought down Keating? Cos … Union = BOO?

    It wasn’t his arrogance about dragging us through the ‘recession we had to have’?

    Here’s one of those things you hate yomm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Australian_federal_election

  138. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2020 9:58 am

    Anyone can use google to find

    Shorter yomm

    “Anyone can use google, except perhaps me”

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2020 1:01 pm

    What absolute hypocrisy … again … Cormann was a member of the “lifters and leaners club” (or the Hockey club) both a pair of fkn leaners … BIG leaners …

    Taxpayers are funding a “task force” of eight full-time staff to help run former Finance Minister Mathias Cormann’s globetrotting campaign to secure a $383,000-a-year tax-free job running the OECD.

    Now what’s Tommy been spoutin’

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2020 1:04 pm

    Chuckle …

  141. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2020 1:20 pm

    Even better TB

    Natasha Stott Despoja, another former senator, ran her campaign for a United Nations job almost completely from her home in Adelaide.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-24/mathias-cormann-government-funded-plane-oecd/12914276

    I also recall hockey whinging about people ‘double dipping’, just before h got his plumb roll as a US diplomat (Kicking Beazley out of his role), while receiving his pollie pension at the same time

    They really know how to stuff their pockets with our cash. Every one else can just fend for themselves

  142. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2020 1:21 pm

    Too true

  143. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 25, 2020 2:13 pm

    What absolute hypocrisy … again … Cormann was a member of the “lifters and leaners club” (or the Hockey club) both a pair of fkn leaners … BIG leaners …

    So what is your point?? The ALP is more moral than the Coalition??

    I could never vote ALP/Greens because those people do not believe in borders and want one world govt ruled by the UN, But I lost interest in the Coalition when they made Turnbull leader. The man had some good points but he was in the wrong party. Conservative aussies do know who to vote for these days

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2020 7:07 pm

    Check out SloMo Sooty’s face mask … and the Australian flag!

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/25/the-morrison-government-has-abrogated-responsibility-for-the-climate-crisis-to-the-states

  145. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 25, 2020 7:21 pm

    TB

    So many holes in that article. But Hewson says Coalition should commit to market forces. Good. Lets remove the subsidies from renewable energy

    PS TB your comments are really useful Thanks for thank. Most things you believe are wrong so i know the truth is to believe the opposite of your opinions

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2020 7:29 pm

    Gerry Harvey says he will be at helm of Harvey Norman until he is 100

    What a frightening thought!

    Thank goodness I utilise JB Hi Fi!

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2020 7:32 pm

    So many holes in that article.

    1. I didn’t write the article

    2. O said … “Check out SloMo Sooty’s face mask … and the Australian flag!”

    FFS your comprehension level is lower than ToMmy’s!

    Do you understand the “significance” of the national flag on the mask?

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2020 7:33 pm

    PS Kneel your comments are really useless …

  149. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2020 7:39 pm

    Gerry Harvey says he will be at helm of Harvey Norman until he is 100

    Even if he dies at 90!

  150. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 25, 2020 8:16 pm

    Thank goodness I utilise JB Hi Fi!

    So JB Hi Fi is owned by a caring leftist??

    TB Thanks for telling me the truth.

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2020 11:42 pm

    WTF … ?

  152. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2020 9:49 am

    From TB’s link

    Even in areas where our national government has traditionally had clear, overarching responsibility, such as quarantine and aged care, Morrison stepped back, finding it easier to concede, criticise and blame, rather than act.

    And yet, why do we only read this in the Guardian?

    Why won’t costellos fairfax or murdochs shitrags or print this?

  153. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 26, 2020 10:26 am

    Those that seem to default to the position that quarantine is a federal responsibility seem to ignore https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2016C00847

  154. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2020 10:40 am

    Probs because of this yomm with link but no context

    while the Commonwealth government has “primary responsibility for international border surveillance and public health events occurring at international border

    https://www.loc.gov/law/help/health-emergencies/australia.php

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 26, 2020 11:09 am

    And it outlines the responsibilities of states in matters relating to quarantine.
    The ALP and “I stand with Dan” cheer club always overlook the act. I don’t know whether it is wilful ignorance or partisan stupidity.

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2020 11:17 am

    “Check out SloMo Sooty’s face mask … and the Australian flag!”

    OUR.NATIONAL.FLAG.IS.UPSIDE.DOWN!

    Internationally considered an insult … (or signal of distress)

  157. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2020 12:02 pm

    And it outlines the responsibilities of states in matters relating to quarantine.

    Yes

    “while the Commonwealth government has “primary responsibility for international border surveillance and public health events occurring at international border”

    But they fobbed that off to the states to run quarantine for returning passengers for international flights. No wonder he wants the minutes of the national cabinet kept secret. Andrews tried several times to get him to disclose them

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2020 2:23 pm

    I don’t know whether it is wilful ignorance or partisan stupidity.

    Mmmm … referring to whom? Sounds more like a RabidRightWingNutJob …

  159. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2020 2:40 pm

    Speaking of a RabidRightWingNutJob

  160. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 26, 2020 3:13 pm

    WTF … ?

    Well you were praising JB Hi Fi and condemning Harvey Norman

    What was your point???

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2020 4:07 pm

    what was yours … So JB Hi Fi is owned by a caring leftist??

    Its not a “political” issue … ????

    Beware: RWNJ At Work

    Hardly Normal is just that … hardly normal … expensive and backward – the last time I went to HN they were still using DOS at their checkout …

  162. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 26, 2020 4:13 pm

    OK I thought you were saying well i do not know what. So shopping at JB Hi Fi is a better experience than Harvey Norman?

    I thought you were having a go at Harveys political beliefs.

    Actually these days more and more people are shopping online.

  163. November 26, 2020 5:33 pm

    “Anyone can use google, except perhaps me”

    LOL…!

  164. November 26, 2020 5:34 pm

    “Actually these days more and more people are shopping online.”

    Gee, who knew.

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2020 7:43 pm

    reb, nothing is new nothing changes? (Or that’s how some think)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Love this sentence … OK I thought you were saying well i do not know what.

    I thought you were having a go at Harveys political beliefs.

    Why? Only you do that …

    Actually these days more and more people are shopping online.

    Try – some of us have been for TWO decades …

    As for JB HF not only do I have a JBHF close but one of my family works there … HN can’t beat the discounts I can get … Not that I’ve ever been a fan of, Jerry Can’t … nor was Ruslan K … my opinion solidified with Jerries* “online” tax campaign – another dud idea)

  166. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 26, 2020 8:35 pm

    As for JB HF not only do I have a JBHF close but one of my family works there … HN can’t beat the discounts I can get … Not that I’ve ever been a fan of, Jerry

    OK but your last sentence may give you away. I have heard that lots of ALP voters hate Gerry Harvey because i guess he is a Coalition voter. I suspect ALP voters think Gerry wants to pay his workers $2/hr

    But as usual i suspect you are wrong. More bastards run JB HiFi than Harvey Norman

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2020 11:18 pm

    OK but your last sentence may give you away.

    Its his fkn business practices not his politics!

    But as usual i suspect you are wrong. More bastards run JB HiFi than Harvey Norman

    Twisted fkn man …

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2020 10:39 am

    Its Black Friday?

    Where are all the protestors???

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2020 10:41 am

    Victoria has done the seemingly impossible and officially eliminated COVID-19 by hitting a major milestone this morning.

    Fucking Desperate Dan!

    😜

  170. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 27, 2020 1:30 pm

    Its his fkn business practices not his politics!

    I was listening to 2GB one Sunday night and the host had Gerry Harvey on. After Harvey had left the host got lots of abusive phone calls about why should such a man be allowed on 2GB. Harvey generates hatred like John Howard does.

    What is so bad about Gerry Harveys business practices?? He actually employs people

  171. Stand`Back`And`Stand`Buy`Teabag permalink
    November 28, 2020 10:50 am

    l have to say l absolutely love 2020. The year that all teabag mythology was totally blasted to bits. The part l enjoyed the very most was, right on the cusp of the teabags awarding themselves gold ‘economic-manager’ medals, super-bug yanked the rug out from beneath them. Too bad about that surplus. (-: (-: (-: (-:

  172. November 28, 2020 5:30 pm

    “He actually employs people”

    Not really. His business is a franchise.

  173. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 28, 2020 6:15 pm

    “””””””””””Not really. His business is a franchise.”””””””””””””””

    If true so what, He employs more people than i do.

    But i was listening to 2GB one Sunday night and Bill Crews who is some religious guy who gives free food and he had Gerry Harvey on because he was one of his biggest donors.

    After the segment finished many people phoned up just abusing Harvey. Just hatred from the leftists. I think Harvey may have said once why give money to poor people because it will make no difference. So he got abused

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2020 7:41 pm

    If true so what, He employs more people than i do.

    Anyone does!

    So he got abused He actually abused you … and BTW, 2GB is an alien mind-bending radio station … either turn it of or wear a tinfoil hat when you indulge in listening to it …

    https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/tin-foil-hat-isolated-on-white-1739477057

    Make your own or check out Bunnings’ specials

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2020 8:34 pm

    Why are 7 billion people “controlled” by a dozen MEN?

    Without even considering the recent upheaval of the Australian media markets, with the takeover of Fairfax Media by Nine and the planned closure of 100 local and regional newspapers (although owned by the same company, News Corp), the biggest study on media ownership and concentration in the world conducted by Eli Noam at Columbia University found that Australia has the most concentrated newspaper industry out of any country studied, with the exception of China and Egypt which are not liberal democracies.

    Excessively concentrated media power in the hands of few owners does not just entail unchecked ties between political and media elites, as the UK Leveson inquiry demonstrated.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/11/28/julian-assange-wikileaks-australia/

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2020 8:39 pm

    Police union slams Victoria’s move to scuttle laws against being drunk in public

    This is why UNIONS BOO! are an important part of our society …

    Disclaimer: I have a family member currently studying for a double degree in paramedics/nursing … they should never have to deal with violent drunks or drug addicts … alone …

  177. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2020 9:54 am

    Harvey norman would approve of reobodebt

  178. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2020 10:03 am

    I see our rift with China is ticking along nicely

    “Better economic managers” lol

    Jim Chalmers says two-thirds of the debt in the budget was borrowed before the start of the pandemic. Is he correct?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-13/fact-check-budget-debt-coronavirus-pandemic/12545628

  179. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 30, 2020 11:15 am

    TomR

    Data matching between the ATO and Centrelink was computerised in 2011. Robodebt started then.

    In 2016 Coalition introduced a new method to determine income called income averaging which turned out to be a disaster and was also illegal for some reason

    This world is being computerised more and more. Whatever the Coalition did in 2016 most probably would have occurred no matter who was in power

  180. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2020 11:43 am

    Except, Labor didn’t do it, even though they admitted they wanted to automate it, they knew they couldn’t.

    Because it was wrong. morrision didn’t care, he just saw another group of people he could terrorize.

  181. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 30, 2020 11:49 am

    Except Labor did automate it in 2011. Labor politicians have a hide like an elephant. OK Labor did have humans check the automated results before the computer sent them out. Coalition removed human checking in 2016.

    But the illegal bit was a new method to determine income called income averaging. Like all ALP people you mislead and deceive

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2020 12:10 pm

    And the illegal bit was a new method to determine income called income averaging by the LNP. Like all LNP people you attempt to mislead and deceive

  183. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2020 12:11 pm

    Except Labor did automate it in 2011.

    Only for internal use. They still had manual oversight, because they knew the data was dodgy. As did this mob

    But the illegal bit was a new method to determine income called income averaging.

    No, the illegal bit was using that as their only oversight. Fark it’s hard when someone is so slow/ideologically blind

  184. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 30, 2020 12:24 pm

    Media Release:
    New data matching to recover millions in welfare dollars
    29 June 2011

    A new data matching initiative between Centrelink and the Australian Taxation Office is expected to claw back millions of dollars from welfare recipients who have debts with the Australian Government.

    Minister for Human Services Tanya Plibersek and Assistant Treasurer Bill Shorten today said the new initiative will enhance Centrelink’s debt recovery ability and is expected to recover more than $71 million over four years.

    Beginning on July 1 this year, Centrelink and the ATO will automatically match data on a daily basis as a way of cross-checking former welfare recipients who have a debt with the Commonwealth.

    Those who are identified as having debts and who haven’t made repayment arrangements with Centrelink may have their tax refunds garnisheed when they lodge their income tax return.

    “The Government prefers to work with people and provide them with flexible debt repayment options, rather than having to garnishee their tax refunds,” said Ms Plibersek.

    “But if people fail to come to an arrangement to settle their debts, the Government has a responsibility to taxpayers to recover that money.”

    Ms Plibersek said Centrelink customers sometimes incurred a debt with the Commonwealth because they either inadvertently or intentionally claimed a benefit they were not entitled to.

    Mr Shorten said the tax garnishee process had been carried out manually once a year for the past 15 years and involved a significant amount time on the part of the departmental officers.

    “The automation of this process will free up resources and result in more people being referred to the tax garnishee process, retrieving more outstanding debt on behalf of taxpayers,” he said.

    https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20111114210628/http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/65939/20111115-0804/www.mhs.gov.au/media/media_releases/2011/06/29_june_2011_-_new_data_matching_to_recover_millions_in_welfare_dollars.html

  185. Stand`Back`And`Stand`Buy`Teabag permalink
    November 30, 2020 1:21 pm

    As l said above, 2020 is the year all bullshit from the teaCaddy was blasted to bits. Weather club without target2050, robodebt, or having to stickyTape more fiber to the wireCo telegraph wires. l also love that slomo is having his nads squeezed by thePanda’s paw.`

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2020 1:37 pm

    So Qantas has outsourced its ground crew- baggage handlers etc.
    If they’re going to do it, now is the time. That group has always been unreliable and militant.
    They can thank the TWU

  187. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2020 1:49 pm

    Qantas also wanted to ban anybody who didn’t get a Covid injection from boarding

    Qantas are dumbshitasswipes!

  188. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2020 1:53 pm

    The standard you walk by. Yes, it’s interesting what upsets morrison, and what doesn’t

  189. Back`In`Black`Teabag permalink
    November 30, 2020 1:53 pm

    As long as two-mill-a-month is ok, that’s all that counts to a mid-manage brown nose, huh.

    Pst, 2021 will be much like 2020. ` (-:

  190. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2020 1:54 pm

    I think it’s a great idea to require a covid vaccination- when it’s available.
    Most anti vaxers are nutcases that you wouldn’t want on an aircraft anyway

  191. Back`In`Black`Teabag permalink
    November 30, 2020 1:55 pm

    (QQQ) As long as two-mill-a-month is ok, that’s all that counts to a mid-manage brown nose, huh.

    Pst, 2021 will be much like 2020. ` (-:

  192. Stand`Back`And`Stand`Buy`Teabag permalink
    November 30, 2020 2:09 pm

    Yep. War crimes, muppet island still hasn’t learned a fcuking thing from vietnam, or goose steppin’ along as yankeeland’s deputy sheriff.

    Then that kmg /iran thing. Who says imbeciles can’t have uni degrees? `

  193. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2020 2:52 pm

    covid vaccination- when it’s available.

    But nothing about when it is safe, when it has been proven to have no long term issues.

    https://7news.com.au/travel/international-airlines-body-responds-to-the-qantas-mandatory-covid-vaccine-rule-c-1646624

  194. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2020 2:53 pm

    yep, everything about jobkeeper is a rort

  195. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2020 3:11 pm

    When the health department says a vaccine is safe, that should be good enough for Qantas.
    Keep the anti vaxers at home! I don’t want to share a plane with a conspiracy theorist nutcase

  196. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2020 3:16 pm

    When the health department says a vaccine is safe, that should be good enough for Qantas.

    I think their problem was, they just went with ‘when it’s available’ 😉

    Oh yea, and long term health effects won’t be known for … well, a long time 😉

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2020 3:18 pm

    Approval is the role of the health department, including considering long term effects.
    Those that don’t want to vaccinate can drive to Hawaii

  198. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2020 3:23 pm

    Since you obviously didn’t read the link, I’ll repeat it for you

    But de Juniac said it was a too early to start making plans around the vaccine.

    “For the moment, we have had this very good news on the vaccine but it is a bit premature to say when and how the vaccination progress will be spread all around the world and the whole world will be done,” de Juniac said.

    “People want and need global mobility … but border closures and quarantine measures make travel impossible,” he added during the organisation’s annual general meeting.

    joyce was just being a dick and going off half cokkheaded again. It’s like his main trait

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2020 3:36 pm

    I don’t recall Joyce saying it was immediate.
    And he would probably be one of the most highly regarded airline CEOs in the world

  200. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 30, 2020 4:24 pm

    or having to stickyTape more fiber to the wireCo telegraph wires.

    I guess you are talking about the recent fibre upgrade for some people from FTTN to FTTP. It is only for those on high speed plans costing $100/month or more. And you have to ask for it. I guess NBNCo is worried about the coming competition from 5G

  201. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2020 6:24 pm

    I don’t recall Joyce saying it was immediate.

    I don’t recall anyone saying that. When it is available was the terminology used. Noice try but 😉

    And he would probably be one of the most highly regarded airline CEOs in the world

    IATA appear to have a different view point.

    I guess NBNCo is worried about the coming competition from 5G

    5G sent out all those robodebts. It’s the fault of Labors NBN that copper wasn’t able to see that all those innocent people were …. innocent

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2020 7:35 pm

    l also love that slomo is having his nads squeezed by thePanda’s paw.`

    Narrow minded comment … slomo isn’t … Australia is … including you … you are an Aussie? You Use Yankee slang a lot, teabag?

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2020 7:40 pm

    That group has always been unreliable and militant.

    You’re referring to Little Hitler Joyce and the SS Board of course … what is it with the Joyce family? Alan – Bananby … weird unhinged boofheads …

    So Qantas has outsourced its ground crew- baggage handlers etc.

    There goes the 100% safety record … people like, ToM, just don’t get proper H&S … do you fly QF Tommy? Or is it about Onions BOO!

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2020 7:43 pm

    Pst, 2021 will be much like 2020. ` (-:

    Mmmm … sort of Tbag, but it will involve decreasing choices on Aussie shop shelves … time for us to support the rise of INDIA!

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2020 7:47 pm

    Those that don’t want to vaccinate can drive to Hawaii

    Happy to see Slomo fuck off for good … he could become Hawaii’s new Marketing Minister … y’know … “Why not drop in … leave ya bombs at home” … “WTF Are ya?

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2020 7:50 pm

    I don’t recall Joyce saying it was immediate.

    Doesn’t matter He.Said.It. … he’s not Australian (the Irish don’t want him) and he doesn’t GAFF about anyone but himself …

    And he would probably be one of the most highly regarded airline CEOs in the world

    He would probably be … NOT … your opinion does not count as global … talk about fkn arrogant!

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2020 7:55 pm

    I guess NBNCo is worried about the coming competition from 5G

    The what? Dumb is not a good thing …

    I’ve just been offered 250mbps … I can (if I wanted to) access 1000mbps … I happen to be about 2% of the NBN population.

    Had the NBN rolled out as originally planned … you too could access such speed!

    Best of luck with 5G during a storm … and BTW your phone and TV screens are quite different!

    https://gizmodo.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-phone-and-tv-display-1796619322

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2020 7:56 pm

    5G sent out all those robodebts. It’s the fault of Labors NBN that copper wasn’t able to see that all those innocent people were …. innocent

    I blame China

  209. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 30, 2020 8:07 pm

    Had the NBN rolled out as originally planned … you too could access such speed!

    Nope it would be unaffordable for me. I was one of the so-called lucky ones who got fiber (FTTP) and i get 11Mbps with TPG’s NBN12 plan because that is all the speed i need and am willing to pay for. Who knows what the cost would be for a full fiber network.

    And landline phones do not work anymore during a power failure because the NBN needs electricity to work at home. Unlike the old system which had a UPS

  210. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2020 10:32 pm

    I think Qantas knows more about safety than you TB. But since you know so much, can you explain what this group has to do with aircraft safety?

  211. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2020 9:04 am

    Good question

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2020 10:42 am

    … can you explain what this group has to do with aircraft safety?

    Yes I can … can you? (If you have to ask I guess you can’t grasp simple concepts related to H&S))

  213. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2020 10:54 am

    Yea, our media landscape is fucked

  214. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 1, 2020 10:59 am

    When you say “There goes the 100% safety record … people like,
    You must be talking about the airline safety record (that people like), because Qantas doesn’t have a 100% OHS record. And when flying, most people aren’t as bothered about an OHS record as they are about the airline safety.
    So perhaps you could explain how this group effects airline safety

  215. ivi permalink
    December 1, 2020 1:19 pm

    (Pst, 2021 will be much like 2020.

    The baby teabags will be fine; probably.)

  216. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 1, 2020 1:32 pm

    Re: China trade
    I think there seem to be 2 options –
    * we grovel to them and promise never to get uppity again, or
    * we make an uncomfortable adjustment away from reliance on China

    I think an uncomfortable adjustment is preferred. They’ll continue to buy our iron ore, because they have no option at present. But we’re a decade late in reducing our reliance on them.

  217. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2020 1:53 pm

    I think there seem to be 2 options

    So option 3, don’t be racist pricks, is off the table?

  218. ivi permalink
    December 1, 2020 1:54 pm

    (Yep. War crimes, muppet island still hasn’t learned a fcuking thing from vietnam, or goose steppin’ along as yankeeland’s deputy sheriff.

    Je suis Charlie?)

  219. December 1, 2020 2:06 pm

    “we make an uncomfortable adjustment away from reliance on China”

    I’m not sure if you’ve noticed YoM, but pretty much every item of clothing we wear these days is made in China, not to mention pretty much everything that’s for sale in Big W, Kmart and Target.

    Scott Morrison with his desk thumping demand for an apology from China is comedy gold.

    They haven’t answered the phone for what – six months now…?

    What makes him think he’s going to get an apology?

    I reckon we need to get Morrison one of those tiny ‘leaders’ desks they got Trump. It’d suit the image perfectly… LULZ.

  220. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2020 2:10 pm

    every item of clothing we wear these days is made in China,

    Will we soon be seeing a pair of Aussie flag budgie smugglers embroidered with “I stopped these” on his tiny desk?

  221. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 1, 2020 2:24 pm

    I’m not sure if you’ve noticed YoM, but pretty much every item of clothing we wear these days is made in China
    I’m currently wearing a t-shirt made in Honduras!
    But really the adjustment isn’t what we buy, it’s what they buy, and right now they’ll buy our iron ore, and will avoid buying much else from us.
    As for stopping being “racist pricks” –
    1. What is the evidence for that?
    2. If we do that, without a grovelling apology do you think they’ll be buying our wine next week, next year or maybe next decade?

  222. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2020 2:29 pm

    1. What is the evidence for that?

    1. Going of half cocked to send in weapons inspector type investigators to find out how the Chinese fucked up

    2. The megaphone diplomacy of yelling at Dan Andrews for having the temerity to utilize the Belt and Road financing when morrisons own government had undercut the Vics budget for them

    3. ‘Shanghai Sam’

    Should I go on?

  223. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2020 2:30 pm

    abbott finally got it right. Baddies v baddies

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2020 2:38 pm

    I’m currently wearing a t-shirt made in Honduras!

    Of course you are … played golf in it have we … then off to the library?

  225. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 1, 2020 2:49 pm

    1. The statement re the inquiry made no mention of China . That’s just the supposition made by the left, which isn’t reflected in the statement
    2. The Belt and Road agreement became an issue AFTER China started targeting Australian exports
    3. China obviously doesn’t understand robust politics here, because that was around the time of all the contention about dual nationality
    China is a bully, and there is no easy way through this. It’s best we reduce our reliance on them during a downturn. It will be more painful during an upturn

  226. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 1, 2020 2:51 pm

    TB, you haven’t explained how the group Qantas is outsourcing will effect aircraft safety
    I’m not asking you to provide a link, just explain your rationale

  227. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2020 3:13 pm

    so, the Chinese just need to harden up cos we play it rough here, seems to sum up yomms dribbly bullshit

    Apart from that, everything he said is pretty much wrong. Again.

    1. It’s called dog whistling, even when you whistle in plain English
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/22/australian-pm-pushes-for-who-overhaul-including-power-to-send-in-investigators

    2. Who made who? It was about attacking Dan Andrews, and calling names to Chinese at the same time.
    3. yea, sorry, that’s just racist buslhit, nothing can change that (and it had nothing to do with dual citizenship, it was about Sam hanging out with Chinese)

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 1, 2020 3:23 pm

    Yes, it’s typical of the ALP cheer club to post an opinion from the Guardian, as the text of the statement provides no support for the claim.
    If there is anything to be offended about, it may have been Dutton’s clumsy statement in April suggesting that China clean up its wet markets. Even though it was clumsy and poorly timed, it wasn’t exactly unreasonable.
    And yes, China is very thin skinned for such a brutal dictatorship

  229. ivi permalink
    December 1, 2020 3:53 pm

    ( Even though it was clumsy and poorly timed, it wasn’t exactly unreasonable.

    Indeed; just say no to PHON(E)Y global brands; and, yes to stovepiped FOXy-Pompeo Aus-(s)trained bioterroirists-gone-batfishy!)

  230. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 1, 2020 7:14 pm

    Well Tom R must be right. We are to blame for China bullying us, because Barnsey agrees with him
    https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/call-it-for-what-it-is-qa-panellists-criticise-china-over-fake-image/news-story/2b3850436c6bf82e06dc193daf19520c

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2020 8:03 pm

    I’m not asking you to provide a link, just explain your rationale

    Why, you never have … Unions BOO!

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2020 8:06 pm

    Yes, it’s typical of the ALP cheer club to post an opinion from the Guardian

    I think the people you refer to offer opinions from The Guradians, news.com.au, The New Daily, aw fuck why bother …

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2020 8:09 pm

    Even though it was clumsy and poorly timed, it wasn’t exactly unreasonable.

    Dutton Potato Head is the epitome of unreasonable … gave him a wave as we drove past his office this am … fuckwit! As is his best buddy the do nothing arse warmer, Luky Howarth …

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2020 8:12 pm

    Who even needs China to make memes for us?

    Yep very helpful … not

    Why oh, why did they go so public … just like the China Towns around the world why do they not see what they really are?

    And Australia’s Chinese Commercial Invasion was so bleeding obvious!

  235. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2020 8:14 pm

    Well Tom R must be right. We are to blame for China bullying us, because Barnsey agrees with him

    Who?

    Christ people believe “remade” arseholes so easily! Its sickening!

    And there are so many of ’em in “entertainment” …

  236. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2020 8:22 pm

    FINALLY!

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/12/01/teddy-sheean-victoria-cross/

    Lest We Forget … 💥

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2020 8:30 pm

    Still we are under old ideological management …

    https://www.thejuicemedia.com/honest-government-ad-the-biggest-cuts/

  238. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2020 9:34 pm

    as the text of the statement provides no support for the claim.

    yea yomm, because nobody knows what country they are talking about. [facepalm]

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/coronavirus-started-in-china-pm-tells-mining-billionaire-20200501-p54oyn.html

    But go on, continue to defend a racist with such a long history of racism.

  239. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 1, 2020 9:42 pm

    It’s interesting that those most inclined to criticise the US over their domestic policies and human rights record are those most reluctant to even tolerate a hint of criticism about Chinese domestic policies or its bullying of Australia

  240. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 8:09 am

    its bullying of Australia

    WAAAAH, they sent a nasty meme about OUR SOLDIERS MURDERING CHILDREN

    Just thought something was getting lost in the hysteria of ‘we’re not THAT racist (according to my scale)’

    Meanwhile …..

    The states are doing what morrison cant

    State leaders are begging the Morrison government to play nice with China over fears growing tensions will hurt local jobs and industries.

    It’s a tactic Prime Minister Scott Morrison looks set to adopt this week after he warned Coalition colleagues on Tuesday against giving more air time to China’s provocative social media attack on Australia.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/12/02/australia-china-relations-2/

    So, apparently, it IS within his remit to pull up colleagues when they need it. He just chooses not to.

  241. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 8:45 am

    baby teabags

    Still laughing at that . yomm is Tim 🙂

  242. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2020 8:47 am

    Tom R, do you miss the point deliberately? I don’t really care about people putting provocative images on social media
    The real issue is fabricating reasons to damage Australian jobs and the economy.
    Are you willing to approve that?

  243. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 9:17 am

    Are you willing to approve that?

    No. But why are you blaming the Chinese? morrision is the one responsible for that.

  244. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 9:19 am

    lolz

  245. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2020 9:41 am

    Some of our actions the Chinese Government objects to-
    * legislation regarding agents of influence. Recommended for national security. Would you propose repealing that?
    * excluding Huawei from the telecommunications industry. Recommended for national security. Would you allow them back in?
    * supporting international law inthe South China Sea. Would you decline to support this and act against the other nations that believe they are threatened?
    These are the important matters, the stuff about an inquiry or Shanghai Sam, that’s a sideshow.

  246. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 10:03 am

    Some of our actions the Chinese Government objects to-

    *Loudly declaring that any meeting between a Labor memebr and a Chinese person is against the national interest (while doing exactly the same themselves)

    *Calling Labor racists for excluding Huawei from the NBN, and then excluding Huawei from the telecommunications industry themselves. By their own words, what does that make them?

    Along with all of the other before mentioned ,and many other non mentioned, targeting of Chinese interests (while continuing to take their money from behind their backs)

  247. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2020 10:21 am

    Can you remind me what the ALP had to say about Gladys Liu?

    …but would you allow Huawei in? Would you repeal the agents of influence legislation? Would you turn your back on smaller SEA countries re the South China Sea?

  248. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 10:32 am

    Can you remind me what the ALP had to say about Gladys Liu?

    “I’m a teapot”?

    …but would you allow Huawei in?

    Pretend I am saying this slowly yomm

    “Calling Labor racists for excluding Huawei from the NBN, and then excluding Huawei from the telecommunications industry themselves. By their own words, what does that make them?”

    Would you turn your back on smaller SEA countries re the South China Sea?

    How am I? (no links required)

    Although, I note you are deliberately turning your back on the murder of small children by Australians

  249. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 10:33 am

    Ouch

    Victoria Police says evidence to the Coate inquiry shows the decisio­n to engage private security guards in Victoria’s botched hotel quarantine scheme arose out of national cabinet.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/hotel-quarantine-inquiry-private-security-decision-arose-out-of-national-cabinet/news-story/24061080f6c75b5910c679a9d207a166

    Personally, I just cannot work out why morrison is so hell bent on keeping those meetings secret? [sarc]

  250. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2020 10:41 am

    You can’t figure out your own view of how to deal with the reality of the current problem.

  251. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 10:49 am

    You can’t figure out your own view of how to deal with the reality of the current problem.

    Yes

    Apologise for being a racist bunch of asshats over the past several years

    While they are at. They could try an apology for the crimes and atrocities our armed forces have committed

  252. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 10:50 am

    Although, it could be too late now

  253. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 10:52 am

    #VagCushions is going to be trending soon

  254. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2020 11:01 am

    the LNP Coalition has been in “control” (snigger) for over seven years … just about how long it took for Australian – Chinese relationship to sour … and China to own a number of strategic parts of Australia …

    And BTW, where is the $480,000 consultant to China ex-Trade Minister Andrew Robb … gone to ground I hear … he should be arrested for treason …

    Try leasing a strategic port in China …

    If the relationship gets to the extreme just remember who and why we had a, Pig Iron Bob … and hope we don’t have a new one in the making, Iron Ore Scotty!

  255. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2020 11:05 am

    Politics in the rear vision mirror

  256. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 11:23 am

    Politics in the rear vision mirror

    If only people hadn’t been ‘whinging’ about our government being racist pricks for the past several years, hey

  257. December 2, 2020 11:32 am

    Gladys Liu? Like that kind of thing?

    Do you seriously think the sideshow issues are the ones deeply troubling Beijing?

  258. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 11:41 am

    Gladys Liu?

    Yes, that’s a question. More directly, WHAT’S YOUR POINT?

    Do you seriously think the sideshow issues are the ones deeply troubling Beijing?

    A decade of racist taunts and jibes is a “sideshow issue”?

  259. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2020 12:00 pm

    There were some nuanced questions from the ALP about her allegiance.
    And we know racism can be very nuanced

  260. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 2, 2020 12:05 pm

    This is a case about the listed company Site Group International Ltd. PP is its subsidiary. It is a Registered Training Organisation. This is instructive as to the business model:

    Two years later, on 16 March 2017 a compliance report was provided to PP. That report asserted as follows:

    a. between 1 January 2013 and September 2016 PP enrolled 9,983 online enrolments;

    b. 7,546 students completed 0 units of competency;

    c. Students who achieved no units of competency were charged a total of $72,443,272.68 in the VET FEE HELP representing 83.62% of the entire amount of the VET FEE HELP money claimed by PP since 2013;

    d. Of the 9983 enrolments, 165 were issued qualifications representing a completion rate of 1.65%.

    e. 3319 enrolments completed zero units of competency and in addition progressed past the first census date and were charged a total of $22,660,542.68 for second, third or fourth census dates – representing a total of 26.16% of the total monies charged;

    f. 7,518 of the 9,983 online enrolments occurred in the period 1 July 2015 – 31 December 2015 and they were charged $55,554,104.18. Of those enrolments 36 students (0.47%) were issued with qualifications and only 124 completed a unit of competency.

    It shows that when governments hand out money with no oversight or controls there are plenty of “entrepreneurs” willing to cash in.

    In this case the regulator had a win at the AAT. As to the managing director the tribunal found:

    I am satisfied that the applicant does not satisfy the fit and proper person requirements in Schedule 3 of the Standards and does not adequately comply with Standard 7.1″

    The tragedy is that the VET Fee Help system hasn’t been seriously reformed, this case is more the rule than the exception and in other cases the dollars involved are even larger.

  261. Stand`Back`And`Stand`Buy`Teabag permalink
    December 2, 2020 12:16 pm

    (The baby teabags will be fine; probably. (De)Finitely. Solid gold ‘parenting’ medals are being awarded at the teaHouse as we speak.`)

  262. December 2, 2020 12:24 pm

    To be fair, who amongst us hasn’t….

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  263. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 12:25 pm

    News Ltd papers reported that Liberal members were warned by security agencies back in 2018 not to meet with Ms Liu because of concerns over her links to the Communist Party.
    or

    The Chinese-language posters were in the official colours of the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC).

    THAT Gladys Liu?

    Please, explain the issue here? She definitely has questions to answer, not least of all, misleading voters.

    Be specific yomm.

  264. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 2, 2020 12:31 pm

    “If the relationship gets to the extreme just remember who and why we had a, Pig Iron Bob … and hope we don’t have a new one in the making, Iron Ore Scotty!

    Well put, TB. Speaking of commie loving capitalists, this is hardly surprising:

    Nike, Coca-Cola, Apple among Companies Lobbying against Uyghur Forced Labor Bill.

  265. Back`In`Black`Teabag permalink
    December 2, 2020 12:33 pm

    Outbreak of potkettle “Narrow minded comment” again teebz. A realist like myself understands the imbeciles on muppet island have already gathered all their national golden eggs, placed all those golden eggs in the one basket, and hung that basket on thePanda’s muzzle. As the clowntown bamboo keeps poking thePanda, the only question that remains is: Will thePanda eat the basket of eggs before, or after it chomps the clowntown bamboo.

    And thePanda won’t be pissing away its assets and advantages like muppet island did.`

  266. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 2, 2020 12:44 pm

    “To be fair, who amongst us hasn’t….”

    Who indeed?! Apparently it is called #ganbanggate.

    Also, I am starting a campaign to install glory holes in all public toilets. Probably start with the side walls between cubicles, although there is more frisson doing it out in front of the door where one might be caught with their pants down!

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2020 12:47 pm

    Yes, sb, I’m a capitalist – I owned my own business for 15 years … and firmly believed/believe “provide good service/product and the dollas will folla” …

    … what I’m not, is an Uber Kapitalist, profit before people and fuck the cost to others …

    … and the Australian people and our goods, services, skills, knowledge and even our country is being literally sold to the highest bidder …

    (And yes, I had a Chinese client and he became an RTO thanks to me … as a consultant he wanted me to help him set up training and assessment colleges in China … his “demanding”, authoritative and slippery approach to our business realtionship saw me quickly extricate from the situation – I feel more than justified now – having “read” what is happening with China now … the same, know nothing but arrogance)

  268. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2020 12:48 pm

    A global alliance of parliamentarians have called on their compatriots to “stand against authoritarian bullying” as they launch a campaign to support Australian winemakers battered by Chinese trade tariffs.

    We should all do our best to eliminate the wine glut that the Chinese have caused!

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-02/china-australia-wine-tariffs-ipac-calls-people-to-support-sector/12941152

  269. Stand`Back`And`Stand`Buy`Teabag permalink
    December 2, 2020 12:53 pm

    “what is happening with China now .. the same, know nothing but arrogance”

    The kooyong model. (-: `

  270. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2020 12:57 pm

    Yes the Gladys Liu questions were subtle racism. You know like Morrison being racist for calling for an independent inquiry into the virus, even though he made no mention of China.
    Clearly both are racist… if you look for an obscure reason to label them racist.

  271. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 1:17 pm

    Yes the Gladys Liu questions were subtle racism

    SPECIFIC yomm. BE SPECIFIC. I was, there was nothing ‘obscure’ about ‘Shanghai Sam’

    You can’t just cry racism without an example, or do we need to call you yomm of TeaPot

  272. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 2, 2020 2:02 pm

    “We should all do our best to eliminate the wine glut that the Chinese have caused!”

    I’ve given up the booze for a while to re-calibrate but, thankfully, Uzbekistan is doing its part!

  273. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2020 2:46 pm

    Are you serious? Yet you assert a comment from Morrison about an inquiry, that doesn’t even mention any country or race or nationality , is racist!!!
    Hilarious!!

  274. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 2:58 pm

    Are you serious?

    About you providing concrete proof, as I did, for a charge of racism

    Yea, I’m kinda serious yomm of teapot

  275. ivi permalink
    December 2, 2020 3:10 pm

    (I’ve given up the booze for a while to re-calibrate but, thankfully, Uzbekistan is doing its part!

    At least some body’s standing up against Teh Yellow Peril/standing up for Aussie Values, eh.

    #SolidaritywithAustralia)

  276. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2020 3:13 pm

    Can you remind me of the “proof ” you provided about Morrison’s statement about the inquiry being racist.

  277. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 3:42 pm

    Can you remind me of the “proof ” you provided about Morrison’s statement about the inquiry being racist.

    [facepalm]

    Does Shanghai Sam ring a bell

    Banning Dan Andrews from an initiative that they had already backed in other countries?

    oh yea, wanting to blame China for a virus before they knew the details, that one!

    How long do I need to go on?

  278. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 3:56 pm

    The standard you walk past ………

  279. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2020 4:39 pm

    Hang on. Shanghai Sam was years ago. The other stuff was ages ago
    Why has China waited until now to get bothered?
    I think you’re being a little disingenuous, because you are unable to justify your view that Morrison’s statement about the inquiry was racist.
    There is no proof of that, certainly you haven’t provided it.
    You can claim context if you like, but you won’t because that would give me permission to also claim context about Gladys Liu

  280. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2020 5:18 pm

    And Joyce the Irish earsling Leprechaun seems to have sold out 2000 ground crew jobs of Australians to organisations with significant ownership by the Chinese …

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    And on the subject of “ownership”, I have mentioned this before but the vehicle manufacturer marque MG (Morris Group) is no longer a British company nor owned by a British company it is owned by a Chinese company that manufactures and sells MG cars …

    If you want to stop buying anything Chinese then stop buying their cars apart from being dodgy, (do they comply fully with ADRs, I wonder), the Chinese desperately want to get their struggling car manufacturing off the ground … don’t buy Chinese vehicles …

    A little more info …

    https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/chinese-car-brands-explained-78349

  281. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2020 5:22 pm

    The standard you walk past ………

    I’d certainly walk past those two standard knobheads … they just keep whelping Young Liberals like a virus …

  282. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2020 5:42 pm

    That’s interesting TB. Are you suggesting we retaliate against China by boycotting their products and businesses?

  283. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 6:42 pm

    Hang on. Shanghai Sam was years ago.

    yea yomm, that’s the point. It’s a pattern of behaviour

    “Apologise for being a racist bunch of asshats over the past several years”

    There is no proof of that, certainly you haven’t provided it.

    “Coronavirus started in China, PM tells mining billionaire”

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/coronavirus-started-in-china-pm-tells-mining-billionaire-20200501-p54oyn.html

    (yes, I posted the link earlier yomm. yor memory is a bad as nils)

    I can keep providing it everytime you say I can’t 😉

    because that would give me permission to also claim context about Gladys Liu

    So you keep saying, but you haven’t actually provided any fucking context, have you!

    “It’s the vibe” lolz

  284. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2020 7:14 pm

    Thank you for agreeing. Morrison’s statement about the inquiry didn’t mention China.

  285. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2020 8:32 pm

    That’s interesting TB.

    Read and comprehend, my comment, ToM (for a fkn change) you’re childish “traps” have never worked …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I remember, in the sixties, the backlash against Japanese products (I worked for the Datsun/Nissan State Distributor … but it was also other items manufactured by Japan that were criticised … they were generally referred to as shit … but people still bought them … because we couldn’t manufacture them …

    Fortunately, Japan was supported by the USA and one man in particular the “father of Quality Control” made the difference (oddly QC was rejected by his own country – and their massive auto production industry was slowly but surely overwhelmed) … I refer to this man …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming

    China has reached the stage that it has right now, because the Western democracies HELPED IT … but unlike Japan a true democracy, China is still controlled by a Communist dictatorship and all that dictatorships entail (check how they come about re Trumps efforts)

    The Western powers grew China … and now it comes to devour us … historically Western “diplomacy” at its worst – it created another monster …

    Well not quite … Australia is seen around the world as the USA’s “go to military” for “support” … so Oz has become the China’s – USA whipping boy …

    Especially when the USA has been weakened by Trump’s crap …

    The USA is vulnerable, therefore Australia is vulnerable …

    Why, oh why, did the West help China to rise out of poverty and leave India, a democracy, to struggle?

    Answer: read – On China, Henry Kissinger

    You will be enlightened …

    We need India …

    Enough for you, ToM?

  286. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2020 8:35 pm

    Are you suggesting we retaliate against China

    Are you?

    I could suggest that the Federal government finds some discipline … but that would be asking too much of amateurs … and their supporters

  287. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2020 8:46 pm

    Morrison’s statement about the inquiry didn’t mention China.

    lol you really are pathetic at times yomm

    And he’s still a racist turd (with evidence to back it up, naming or not naming (which of course he did, when you see the ‘context’)

  288. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 2, 2020 8:56 pm

    And he’s still a racist turd (with evidence to back it up, naming or not naming (which of course he did, when you see the ‘context’)

    Says the man who locked up 8,469 children from 2008-2013.

    How many kiddies do you plan to lock up TomR when Labor gets back into power???

  289. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2020 9:13 pm

    You seem to think China cares more about what we say than what we do.
    Look at their list of 14 grievances.

  290. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2020 6:13 am

    You seem to think China cares more about what we say than what we do

    In fact, I have highlighted many from that least. Do you not think the reason might be WHY we do (and say) what we do?

  291. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2020 8:37 am

    One can only wonder how they will try blame all this on albo?

    The Australian economy faces a serious challenge recovering from the coronavirus without the support of its largest trading partner, Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has warned as China and Australia enter a diplomatic stalemate.

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/very-serious-situation-frydenberg-s-economic-warning-over-china-dispute-20201202-p56jzp.html

    And morrison gets a taste of his own medicine. Not nice when bullies bully a bully, is it scotty

    On Wednesday evening, Chinese social media site WeChat deleted Mr Morrison’s message to Chinese-Australians about the incident “on the grounds it ‘involves use of content that incites, misleads, has non-objective facts’ or ‘fabricates societal/historical issues’.”

    Context. It’s all there.

  292. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2020 9:50 am

    To put the above into more stark context/contrast

    So horrific was the June quarter fall that the economy is still 3.8% below what it was a year ago, and our GDP per capita is 4.8% lower than it was this time last year.

    That, my friends, is an economy still in a recession.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2020/dec/03/all-the-recent-growth-cant-hide-the-fact-that-australia-remains-in-a-deep-recession?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Things are going swimmingly

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2020 10:19 am

    Glug, glug, glug … 😎

  294. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2020 10:32 am

    lol TB (sob)

  295. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2020 10:48 am

    Would you endorse repealing the foreign agents legislation? And/or allow Huawei to build the telecommunications network?

    They’re the serious issues bothering China, the others things are the side show

  296. December 3, 2020 10:50 am

    Pauline Hanson says she’s not going to buy anything made in China anymore.

    Given that means Best & Less, Kmart, Big W and Target are all of the list, where’s she going to buy her natty wee outfits….?

    *Not to mention TB.

  297. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2020 11:38 am

    I’m doing my but too! I’m not buying Chinese wine, or their barley. And I’m not sending my kids to a Chinese university!
    Cop that commies!

  298. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2020 11:40 am

    Would you endorse repealing the foreign agents legislation?

    It’s not the act itself, it’s the way the government loudly, and proudly, went after Chinese nationals specifically, and used racist terms while doing it. They cannot help themselves it seems

    And/or allow Huawei to build the telecommunications network?

    No, we shouldn’t. But, as I mentioned, back when Labor denied them access to the NBN, the libs said this was because ‘racism’ (even though it was made clear it was because of proven poor behaviour by Huawei ) So what reason may the Chinese think the libs are now denying them access? The libs had claimed it was racist to do so, it’s only fair to draw the line that that is the reason they are now doing precisely what they condemned Labor for. After all, Huawei have not had any major public breaches since that?

  299. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2020 11:57 am

    I’m doing my but too!

    At least you’ve fixed your typos 😉

  300. ivi permalink
    December 3, 2020 1:11 pm

    (Context. It’s all there.

    Odd? Didn’t Dutto already warn ‘the foreigners‘ that “slanted views” (hehehe) for “particular communities” are verboten?)

  301. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2020 1:18 pm

    Didn’t Dutto already warn

    numerous rwdbs have been verbottening for years. I’m just amazed it took this long for repercussions. But, China aren’t stupid. They waited until it’s in their best interests to repercuss

  302. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2020 1:52 pm

    Wednesday: Treasurer Josh Frydenberg
    China relationship will not derail Australia’s economic recovery

    Thursday:
    Josh Frydenberg has warned the dispute between Australia and China is having a serious economic effect.

    Every second is a new spark, sets the universe aflame

  303. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2020 2:30 pm

    *Not to mention TB.

    Bitch … you forgot Rivers … (although they’ve got a bit expensive)

    Uncle Dan’s will be having lots of wine tastings too … I s’spect (ahhh silver linings)

    😎

  304. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2020 2:33 pm

    I’m doing my but too!

    Sounds disgusting …

  305. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2020 3:11 pm

    Sounds disgusting …

    Perhaps he’s just got a kiwi keyboard?

  306. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2020 3:15 pm

    Josh Frydenberg has warned the dispute between Australia and China is having a serious economic effect.

    Brilliant, Joshie … what a Treasurer!

    And … he can tell you the colour of most things too (bit of trouble between blues and greens) … I’m reliably informed that, Joshie, can now count up to 200 … and his ABC’s are improving everyday …

  307. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2020 3:40 pm

    Perhaps he’s just got a kiwi keyboard?

    Or, he is a Kiwi! That would expleen so much! 😉

  308. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2020 8:14 am

    A good question, although, I’m sure we know the answer.

    I mean, if nobody loses their job for killing vulnerable people, why would they just for using taxpayer dollars to feather their own nest?

  309. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 4, 2020 9:03 am

    “I mean, if nobody loses their job for killing vulnerable people

    Exactly. Running Dog Dan still has his job!

    And it looks like the mongrel Commissioner he appointed intends to keep it that way.

  310. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2020 9:07 am

    Exactly. Running Dog Dan still has his job!

    Hang on, I thought the feds were in charge of both quarantine, and aged care homes?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoV8T2mVEAA3dIp?format=jpg&name=900×900

  311. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 4, 2020 9:18 am

    Calling Chinese agent of influence, Shanghai Sam, “Shanghai Sam” is not racist at all. Like Running Dog Dan, Andrew Robb , Bob Carr and so many other grifter politicians he is just another hack who sold out to the communist thugs oppressing the people of China and deserves to be vilified and mocked for it.

    Please pay attention, Tom R! This dumb leftist twat (but I repeat myself) mocked a black woman by eating a banana – powerful statement, no? Actually no – this is racism pure and simple.

  312. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 4, 2020 9:23 am

    “Hang on, “

    I get it, Tom R – you have very clear rules of analysis – ALP always right! Libtards always wrong! That much is simple.

    And if that was all there was you would just be the anti-Neil. What puts you on another level entirely is your mastery of the art of the troll. You are <i.the intellectual contortionist par excellence!

  313. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 4, 2020 9:36 am

    With democracy in its death throes the Nomenklatura flex their nuts:

  314. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2020 9:39 am

    “Shanghai Sam” is not racist at all.

    whew. glad it took someone who is such an expert to point that out.

    Of course, if it WASN’T so racist, why would the pm have lied about saying it in the first place then?

  315. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 4, 2020 9:46 am

    The PM is a complete arse-clown. But that is a different story!

  316. ivi permalink
    December 4, 2020 10:07 am

    (Well not quite … Australia is seen around the world as the USA’s “go to military” for “support” … so Oz has become the China’s – USA whipping boy …

    Credit where credit is (over)due, mayhaps.

    We need India …

    Are these lentils South African?!)

  317. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2020 11:01 am

    The PM is a completely racist arse-clown. But that’s the story!

  318. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2020 11:24 am

    “Shanghai Sam” is not racist at all.

    Libtards always wrong!

    The PM is a completely racist arse-clown

    “Shows some improvement – must try harder”

  319. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 4, 2020 11:49 am

    No surprise that Running Dog Dan is giving the Victorian Ombudsman $2 million less this year:

    the recent State Budget allocation fell about $2 million short of the $21 million spent last year, which would mean it would likely need to run a deficit again to do the “core minimum”.”

    That is exactly what you do when your dirty deeds are being exposed. The Ombudsman is an existential threat to the ALP way of doing business in Victoria:

    The Ombudsman found that Labor misused $388,000 of public money during the party’s 2014 election campaign in the so-called red shirts rort.

    The ombudsman’s office is currently investigating the treatment of public housing tower residents who were put under a hard lockdown during Melbourne’s second wave of coronavirus infections and complaints from small businesses who applied for State Government support payments during the pandemic.

    It is also investigating the ALP branch-stacking scandal in Victorian Labor, focusing on whether public funds were used for party-political purposes.

  320. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 4, 2020 11:49 am

    🙂 TB

  321. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2020 12:14 pm

    🤪 grumblebum

  322. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2020 12:20 pm

    lol

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2020 1:04 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/dec/04/pm-and-treasurer-bill-taxpayers-for-private-jet-to-lachlan-murdochs-christmas-party

    Not.a.word. on news.com.au … would be satirical if it wasn’t so bleeding unnecessary these are the same aerslings who deny a rise to pensioners and job seekers and waste money like its theirs to play with double trouble standards … ranks with rank goings on in Gladys’ (Didn’t Know) rorting of NSW taxpayers

  324. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2020 1:27 pm

    I mean, if nobody loses their job for killing vulnerable people,

    What vulnerable people are you talking about. Unless you have a link for that comment you should apologise.

  325. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2020 1:42 pm

    I’m sorry your memory is so short nil

  326. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2020 1:48 pm

    My memory is not short. You lefties just mislead and deceive people. Provide a link for your allegation or apologise.

  327. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 4, 2020 2:00 pm

    TB, I checked at News.com.au. Nothing yet on the use of taxpayer funds for brown-nosing the young master. I suspect they are preparing a blockbuster exposé.

    In the meantime you can read lots about the young plutocrat and his good deeds here and here. Truly, he is fine young chap. Australia should be proud of him.

  328. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2020 2:08 pm

    nil, I’m sorry you are so ideologically blind

  329. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2020 2:14 pm

    TomR

    You mislead and deceive people. You are one sick human being. Using dead bodies for political purposes is a low act even by your own low standards.

    Put up a link for your allegations or apologise. I am not making allegations you are

  330. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2020 2:29 pm

    I have put them up before nil

    You have responded to them, and, I presume, in the same way you are about to respond now.

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/mothers-whose-sons-took-their-lives-after-robodebts-detail-anguish-in-heartbreaking-letters

  331. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 4, 2020 2:50 pm

    Biden: “It’s about who takes what when”

  332. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2020 4:43 pm

    grumblebum, we’ve been discussing just that type of scenario/possibility within close circles … and most think that might be a good thing … Joe can then happily play with his dog … 😎

  333. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2020 4:45 pm

    nil, I’m sorry you are so ideologically blind

    Nicely put, TR … I see the Yuletide spirit is upon you brother …

  334. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2020 7:20 pm

    … the government is punishing people who took their super out early. If
    someone loses their job and they have $20,000 in their account because they withdrew their super early they won’t be eligible for JobSeeker for half a year. That will cost them up to $10,600. Effectively stripping them of half the superannuation they withdrew.

    The Economic Managers @ Work … couldn’t find a smell in a fart factory … so they engaged a consultant who used to work for the Liberal Party to analyse the issue … Sooty from Marketing, refused to participate …

  335. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2020 7:32 pm

    TomR

    Suicide is a difficult issue. Why would a healthy 22 year old commit suicide because of Robodebt??

    At least you are not saying 2,000 people committed suicide because of Robodebt which i have seen stated.

  336. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2020 8:24 pm

    FFS!

  337. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2020 8:24 pm

    RoboKneel

  338. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2020 8:30 pm

    I’m sure you attend church, Kneel, and I’m sure you are familiar with the parable of the “straw that broke the camel’s back?

    Perhaps you can try to apply that parable to, as you rightly question, “Why would a healthy 22 year old commit suicide” …

    Peace be with you and yours in these times of pagan worship …

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2020 8:37 pm

    So its not the weather it is actually climate change, Rupert!

    It may be summer but no one told the weather with temperatures forecast to be 10C below average and even snow coming. That is, away from the heatwaves.

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/unusual-winter-spell-set-to-hit-in-december/news-story/33be34ba1f80bbbcb749799945f3fc94

  340. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2020 9:01 pm

    TB

    Using dead bodies for political purposes is a low act. I am sure lots of people received debt notices in the past and did not commit suicide. And some did commit suicide. Saying it was due to a debt notice is hard to prove

    Trouble is Labor supporters are full of hate. They want the deaths to be due to Coalition policy.

    Fact is after 2016 debt notices were sent to 900,000 people over 2 years and 2,030 died. A normal death rate for a population that size.

    Has the ABC ever published how many people died after govt made a policy change before?? Not to my knowledge. It was an ABC article stating 2,000 deaths occurred after 2016 that caused some outrage. That then morphed into those 2,000 deaths were due to Coalition policy. That then morphed into all 2,000 committed suicide. It is a normal death rate. Nothing sinister

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