Scott Morrison has trashed Australia’s trade relationship with China
The Scott Morrison government has, in the space of just a few months, singlehandedly destroyed Australia’s trade relationship with China after a series of massive political bungles have come home to roost in the form of China banning Australian lobster, beef, cotton, timber, barley and now coal.
The Morrison govt, hardly renowned for its appreciation of the nuances of Asian culture is widely regarded by China as ‘deputy sheriff’ to the US following Scott Morrison’s demands for an investigation into the spread of coronavirus earlier this year.
As much as it may rile Trade Minister Simon Birmingham, Foreign Minister Marise Payne and Scott Morrison, the reality is that their actions have prompted the current standoff.
A mere three weeks ago, Scott Morrison wasted no time in demanding an apology from China after a government official uploaded a photoshopped image on Twitter taking aim at Australian soldiers.
The doctored image depicted an Australian solider holding a bloodied knife to the neck of an Afghan child, with a caption that read, “Don’t be afraid, we are coming to bring you peace!”
Morrison scrambled together a hastily organised four-flag-alert press conference to vent his anger over the ‘tweet’ spitting, “It is utterly outrageous and cannot be justified on any basis whatsoever. The Chinese Government should be totally ashamed of this post.”
Oddly enough, said apology didn’t eventuate.
Even someone with a rudimentary understanding of Asian culture would appreciate that megaphone diplomacy seldom works, never mind the most senior elected office-holder in the land with access to a team of foreign affairs diplomats and advisers.
Morrison’s angry outburst, and the fact that China won’t even answer calls from Marise Payne or Simon Birmingham simply confirms that the Morrison government is completely out of its depth and ill-equipped to navigate an effective way forward.
They’ve totally fucked the country’s relationship with one of our most important trading partners as a direct result of their ignorance, arrogance and incompetence, and this time they have no one else to blame.
theguttertrash.com 
If only we had, oh I dunno, considered divesting into renewables in the last 10 or 20 years or so… 🙄
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-14/global-times-reports-australian-coal-exports-blocked-by-china/12983336
remember when daggydad was yelling at China, and threatening to send weapons grade inspectors in to find out how they had released it onto the poor world
He was making many assumptions and accusations then, and, upon reflection, it now looks to have just been racist stereotyping (he does have form)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-09/covid-19-was-in-italy-in-late-november-2019-new-report-shows
The Chinese regime is exactly what you would expect from a bunch of communist thugs. Australia can trade with them, but not at the price of pretending their brutal regime is somehow normal.
Leftists seem to have no problem supporting their fellow leftists and blaming Australia for its opposition to communist tyranny..
The fact is that Pooh Bear Xi should come over here and, as an act of contrition, bend over and suck the PM’s cock in public while baring his arse for any Australian citizen who wants to take that liberty!
The Australian regime is exactly what you would expect from a bunch of fascist thugs.China can trade with them, but not at the price of pretending their brutal regime is somehow normal.
I suppose Amnesty International is controlled by Murdoch and the international right wing conspiracy.
And what would AI know anyway! They’re always so critical of brutal dictatorships
“I suppose Amnesty International is controlled by Murdoch and the international right wing conspiracy.”
I think that’s a bit of a stretch, even for you.
That being said, this chest-beating approach from Scott Morrison is working a real treat innit.
“I’m going to shirtfront Mr Xi, you bet you are, I am you bet…!”
There is no symmetry, Tom R. You know that but you don’t have a reasoned reply, just blind fecal-tongued loyalty to you fellow socialists.
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“If China doesn’t buy Australia’s coal it will be a bad outcome for the environment,” says AlohaScotty.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-15/scott-morrison-china-trade-tension-coal-bans/12984322
It’s so confusing for teh left these days…
The old days…
WADDA WE WAN ??
NO COAL !!!
WENNA WE WANIT??
NOW!!!
These days
WADDA WE WAN ??
EXPORT TO COAL TO CHINA !!!
WENNA WE WANIT???
JUST AS SOON AS THE INEPT MORRISON APOLOGISES FOR HIS INSULTS TO THE PEOPLE OF CHINA AND THEIR GOVERNMENT!!!
“If a perception emerges that there’s a conflation between political issues and a trading relationship, then that can create uncertainty for many other trading partners,” he said.
For those playing along at home, the PM is yet to realise that international trade and geo-political matters are inextricably linked.
This is why North Korea can’t have nice things….
This is why North Korea can’t have nice things….
Soon to be extended down south
Actually, it’s already started. Try finding something nice that isn’t online. The shops are a shit show 😦
I’d reply to the RWNJs comments but there no point the rants will just get louder and more colourful … and include flakier facts than usual …
I see ToM’s got the bull out …
bullhorn – same difference
This is why North Korea can’t have nice things….
I guess if the West can do it first … no reason it can’t be done by the CCP … only that we don’t pose a nuclear threat … yet …
Anyone expecting to go to war?
Anyone expecting to go to war?
We’ve always been at was with
JapanChina” Lobster, beef, cotton, timber, barley and now Coal ”
Haw (-; Haw (-; Haw (-; Haw (-; Haw (-; Haw (-; Haw (-; Haw (-; Haw (-; `
l am also Lovin the irrelevant paris whether club telling SloMo he is too irrelevant to have a speaking slot at the next international grandstanding fest. `guffaw!
More budget econoBabble. Once the teabags slash the rebranded newfart/ jobBeeber it will start tanking again. The zombies won’t admit that the corporates can save big bucks by dumping expensive capital village office space and keep folks working at home. The only question the corporates have to answer is, Will Home be in boltsvillage? Or bombay?
Can you imagine the mental gymnastics going on in the tiny Asia-phobic minds of Dutton, Morrison, Birmingham and Payne right now…?
How dare those chinky cnuts not submit to our demands for an apology – how very dare they indeed!!
But the mental gymnastics of teh left must be even more contorted!
* we must stop exporting coal NOW!…but not this way! Some other way where we have a moral victory! We need to keep exporting coal for now… then stop after we’ve done lots of protesting and signed lots of petitions!
“But the mental gymnastics of teh left must be even more contorted!”
Actually, I’m too busy laughing….!!! 😆 😆 😆
It’s vital that we brown nose to them!!
What would Amnesty international know, they’re part of the Murdoch RWNJ conspiracy!
The human rights situation continued to be marked by a systematic crackdown on dissent. The justice system remained plagued by unfair trials and torture and other ill-treatment in detention. China still classified information on its extensive use of the death penalty as a state secret.
Repression conducted under the guise of “anti-separatism” or “counter-terrorism” remained particularly severe in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region (Xinjiang) and Tibetan-populated areas (Tibet). Authorities subjected Uighurs, Kazakhs and other predominantly Muslim ethnic groups in Xinjiang to intrusive surveillance, arbitrary detention and forced indoctrination.
The human rights situation continued to be marked by a systematic crackdown on dissent. The justice system remained plagued by unfair trials and torture and other ill-treatment in detention. China still classified information on its extensive use of the death penalty as a state secret.
I don’t think Scott Morrison or any of his cronies are upset about that.
They’re upset coz China isn’t but our coal and stuff.
We should learn our place, and let that be a lesson to everyone!
We’re a quarry for China, and quarries don’t get uppity
Blame progressive former Greens candidate Clive Hamilton. He embarrassed the government into action. Remember how the Chinese Government tried to stop publication
Silent Invasion: China’s Influence in Australia is a 2018 book by Clive Hamilton and is about the growing influence of the Communist Party of China in Australian politics and civil society. The book details the systematic attempt by the government of the People’s Republic of China to expand its espionage network and influence in Australia.[1] The author alleges that this is causing “the erosion of Australian sovereignty”.
“We’re a quarry for China, and quarries don’t get uppity”
Pretty much.
and quarries don’t get uppity
You spelled racist wrong
part of the Murdoch RWNJ conspiracy!
Australia maintained hardline policies with regard to refugees, particularly those held in offshore processing centres. The government continued to detain refugees and asylum seekers who arrived by boat at Manus island in Papua New Guinea (PNG) and on Nauru, marking the seventh year since the reintroduction of its offshore processing and settlement policy. Australia continues to turn back boats of people seeking safety and to refoule (return) people to the country from which they are fleeing.
Indigenous people, including children as young as 10, continued to face high rates of incarceration. Four Indigenous people died in prison or at the hands of police, with the most recent case, in November, resulting in a murder charge against a policeman.
The Queensland Parliament became the third Australian jurisdiction to pass a human rights act, after Victoria and the Australian Capital Territory. Yet Australia remains the only western country without a specific human rights act or bill of rights.
Something there about glass houses, isn’t there, Shanghai yomm?
Have you compared the Amnesty international reports of Australia vs China?
Have a look, then get back to me
Have you compared the Amnesty international reports of Australia vs China?
[facepalm]
You’ve read that already?
“Have you compared the Amnesty international reports of Australia vs China?”
I’m sorry, but I seem to have lost the connection between this, and Scott Morrison’s vitriol towards China and their decision to no longer purchase Australia’s lobster, barley, coal etc..
But wait, look over there…………….!!
[facepalm]
I feel your pain. 🙄
YoM have you considered Proust’s vs Joyce’s position on the state of world affairs?
Have a look, then get back to me.
What, you haven’t read it already….??
How about you post the highlights of the report on CHINA, but you’d have to read it first.
Have a look, then get back to me.
Imitation is a kind of artless flattery.
And who constantly burbled to state premiers OPEN THE BORDERS! The Scotty School Club Band!
Hypocrisy? Wot!
* we must stop exporting coal NOW!
Link TommY, you must have a link … your ranting isn’t enough … no-one has said stop exporting coal … just transform to renewables …
Remember when you lost the fight at school and it was always her fault?
We’re a quarry for China, and quarries don’t get uppity
Seems you do …
Blame progressive former Greens candidate Clive Hamilton. He embarrassed the government into action. Remember how the Chinese Government tried to stop publication
No. But I’m not a fan of Greens CANDIDATES. Was he right considering the present climate?
And the Greens ARE NOT … have NEVER been in government … are you now suggesting that we introduce political censorship? ‘Cause Murdoch (your hero) would just “love” that … L o l
Imitation is a kind of artless flattery.
Not in your case …
If you read anything – as I suggested a few months ago – read “On China” by Henry Kissinger … you’ll get an insight into exactly what is happening here …
And it will demonstrate just why a PM with a science? degree in economics struggles with diplomacy, communication, interactive communications, basic management and marketing …
A whisper of hope …
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/15/new-zealand-foreign-minister-offers-to-help-broker-peace-deal-between-australia-and-china
How about you post the highlights of the report on CHINA,
for the slower ones in the class (ie, you yomm)
Aus
Australia maintained hardline policies with regard to refugees, particularly those held in offshore processing centres. The government continued to detain refugees and asylum seekers who arrived by boat at Manus island in Papua New Guinea (PNG) and on Nauru, marking the seventh year since the reintroduction of its offshore processing and settlement policy. Australia continues to turn back boats of people seeking safety and to refoule (return) people to the country from which they are fleeing.
China
The human rights situation continued to be marked by a systematic crackdown on dissent. The justice system remained plagued by unfair trials and torture and other ill-treatment in detention. China still classified information on its extensive use of the death penalty as a state secret.
Aus
Indigenous people, including children as young as 10, continued to face high rates of incarceration. Four Indigenous people died in prison or at the hands of police, with the most recent case, in November, resulting in a murder charge against a policeman.
China
Repression conducted under the guise of “anti-separatism” or “counter-terrorism” remained particularly severe in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region (Xinjiang) and Tibetan-populated areas (Tibet). Authorities subjected Uighurs, Kazakhs and other predominantly Muslim ethnic groups in Xinjiang to intrusive surveillance, arbitrary detention and forced indoctrination.
Aus
The Queensland Parliament became the third Australian jurisdiction to pass a human rights act, after Victoria and the Australian Capital Territory. Yet Australia remains the only western country without a specific human rights act or bill of rights.
China
Amid huge setbacks for human rights, China made some progress in its environmental protection efforts, both by closing and upgrading polluting factories and passing new restrictions to tackle emissions. According to data prepared by Greenpeace Southeast Asia and IQAir AirVisual, Beijing was no longer among the top 100 most polluted cities in the world.
yea, we really aren’t covering ourselves in glory there. In fact, we seem to be giving htem quite hte run for the money 😦
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/asia-and-the-pacific/australia/report-australia/
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/asia-and-the-pacific/china/report-china/
“[facepalm]”
In your case, Tom R, it is more [faceanus] – Xi’s putrid gaping anus.
ToM has this issue dead to rights and you – you pathetic lackey – are a modern day Lord Haw Haw spruiking for another tyrannical socialist regime.
spruiking for another tyrannical socialist regime.
Look around dopey. yer in one!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/dec/15/prime-ministers-department-says-granting-foi-request-on-taxpayer-funded-research-would-prejudice-government
BLUDGERS!
1500 Australians registered for farm work – not one of them got a job
..
AgriAus had more than 1500 applicants for farm work but was unable to secure even one of them a job due to farmers’ preference for foreign workers, the firm’s co-founder told The New Daily.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/11/08/australians-farm-work-job/
“Look around dopey. yer in one!”
Your pathetic arguments are rooted in false equivalence, Lord Haw Haw. The same type of argument the CCP tried with the doctored photo.
Unlike you I would rather starve than live on a diet of the commie feces you so lovingly slurp.
I dislike Morrison as much as the next chap but you, my friend, have not only jumped the commie shark but seem intent on giving it a right seeing to!
“farmers’ preference for foreign workers”
They’re worried Australian workers might insist on their rights to proper pay and conditions.
Unlike you I would rather starve than live on a diet of the commie feces
Suck it up, Comrade!
Anyone who opposes this sensible measure is obviously a hideous transphobe:
“Suck it up, Comrade!”
Obviously you are!
Yeah. As I said, Australia gets a C- … China gets F
Australia gets a C- … China gets F
Easy with rose coloured glasses
closer to Aus D and China F
We suck. Just not quite as bad as them. The problem is, we have come from a better place to a worst, whereas China is heading in the other direction. They have lifted millions out of poverty, while we are sending tens of thousands into it
China is a bully, and it bullying Australia to make sure other countries don’t get uppity.
Screw them and their apologists
China is a bully, and it bullying Australia
“This looks to be the latest clumsy, offensive and unprofessional instalment of a truly dysfunctional government.”
“We decide who invests in Australia,”
“Prime Minister Scott Morrison is seeking to build an international coalition to give the World Health Organisation (WHO) — or another body — powers equivalent to those of a weapons inspector to avoid another catastrophic pandemic.”
Lesson
Don’t try to bully the bigger bully, or, if you do, don’t cry when they bully you back
Especially when you did while you had your big friend standing behind you, and now he’s legged it
Lesson: don’t give in to a bully. Don’t give a bully a reason to believe bullying is a successful strategy.
…and it is ignorant to think that this action by China is about words. It is about Australia’s-
* legislation to regulate foreign interference
* decision to exclude Huawei from the telecommunications industry
Only a partisan apologist for bullying would suggest otherwise
Screw China and their apologists
It is about Australia’s-
* legislation to regulate foreign interference
* decision to exclude Huawei from the telecommunications industry
+
*Years of racist verballing
*accusing them on the world stage of basically releasing the virus onto us
*Treating their students like human cattle
*siding with America in what had nothing to do with us
They have plenty of reason to ‘bully’ us. It wasn’t unearned
“They have plenty of reason to ‘bully’ us”
Then your welcome to brown nose and let them screw you. Personally, I think you’re overdoing the sucking up to them. But that’s your choice
I just think it’s hilarious that Scott Morrison held a televised press conference in front of four flags specifically to demand an apology from China, and then…
He didn’t get one.
I mean, just how lame can you get.
“Say sorry to me or else”
“Or else, what..?”
“Aw, I dunno…”
Then your welcome to brown nose and let them screw you
I’m just pointing out the uncomfortable fact that, this is all the result of OUR belligerence, not theirs
the libs have been antagonistic towards the Chinese for years, this year they have really ramped it up, chasing trump down his rabbit hole.
We brought this on ourselves.
“Or else, what..?”
I’M GONNA BUILD YOU A CUBBY HOUSE! (could you send another one over, seems bunnings is all out of ’em )
It’s all our fault! That’s the new cultural cringe.
Hilarious!
Roll over! Now beg
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WHADDA WE WANT!
AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE CHINA VIRUS!
WHENNA WE WANT IT..!!
WHENEVVA TRUMP TELLS US!
lol reb
I’m too busy culturally cringing
How DARE those commies not let us treat them how we want to treat them!
Without us, they are nothi…
oops
Do you both seriously think this is about what we said?
Would you propose-
* allowing Huawei to build the telecommunications industry (against national security advice) and
* repealing the foreign agents legislation (against national security advice)
Have either of you read Clive Hamilton’s The Silent Invasion?
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/failuretolisten.com/2014/09/12/humor-the-toad-and-brown-noser-videos-and-slideshow/brown-noser-600×558-copy/%3famp
Do you both seriously think this is about what we said?
I know this is diving waaaaaay back into the time machine, but here we go again
It is about Australia’s-
* legislation to regulate foreign interference
* decision to exclude Huawei from the telecommunications industry
+
*Years of racist verballing
*accusing them on the world stage of basically releasing the virus onto us
*Treating their students like human cattle
*siding with America in what had nothing to do with us
They have plenty of reason to ‘bully’ us. It wasn’t unearned
So will you allow Huawei in? Will you repeal the foreign agents legislation?
Have you read Clive Hamilton’s The Silent Invasion?
Will you ever read a reply to these questions?
On Huawei:
The Morrison Govt: “You chinky cnuts have got some explaining to do!”
On Covid-19:
The Morrison Govt: “You chinky cnuts have got some explaining to do!”
On Australian wine:
The Morrison Govt: “You chinky cnuts have got some explaining to do!”
On Australian barley:
The Morrison Govt: “You chinky cnuts have got some explaining to do!”
On Australian lobster:
The Morrison Govt: “You chinky cnuts have got some explaining to do!”
On Australian coal:
The Morrison Govt: “You chinky cnuts have got some explaining to do!”
On a twitter post:
The Morrison Govt: “You chinky cnuts have got some explaining to do!”
“And we demand an apology!”
* There’s a pattern emerging here, but I can’t quite put my finger on it.
“Have you read Clive Hamilton’s The Silent Invasion?”
For our own little Lord Haw Haw that is an instruction manual to guide his facilitation of the Chicom cunts.
He must have an amazing social credit score with the Chicoms.
Tom R answers “NO” but should add- “I don’t read things that might cause me to rethink my cultural cringe”
There’s a pattern emerging here, but I can’t quite put my finger on it
Along with all these sycophants protecting the government for their past and present poor behavior as ‘commie sympathizers”
McCarthy would be proud of ’em.
Tom R answers “NO”
LINK?
Yeah. Because Clive Hamilton, with all his left/green credentials, is such a McCarthyist, who embarrassed the government into responding to the undermining of Australian institutions by the Chinese Government
He went on to say we need to “suggest positive agendas with China, even while remaining clear and firm about Chinese actions that threaten security stability”.
https://theconversation.com/book-review-clive-hamiltons-silent-invasion-chinas-influence-in-australia-93650
Yea, I don’t think the government is going about it the right way. Do you?
The significant grievances of China are about what we do. Not what we say.
So would you propose-
* repealing the foreign agents legislation and
* allowing Huawei to build the telecommunications industry
“The significant grievances of China are about what we do. Not what we say.
LINK…?
On Australian wine:
The Morrison Govt: “You chinky cnuts have got some explaining to do!”
LINK!!
Oh, here’s the link for your comment-
talkingpointsforapologistsforabully.com.au
Demanding an apology, is that something you say, or something you do?
Asking for a friend.
yomm needs to say sorry for NOT READING REPLIES
and for not providing links
I DEMAND IT NOW!
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“We will decide what the market decides, and the manner in which it will do it’s deciding”
yomm IS nil
https://theguttertrash.com/2020/11/13/weekend-gab-fest-2/#comment-178766
Speaking of not reading… you obviously didn’t bother to read my recent comment when I suggested- “don’t respond to China’s provocations”
That was in reference to demands for an apology.
SAY SORRY, BITCH!
Is that how it’s done?
If we can’t speak the truth to the Chicoms about their tyrannical policies or hold them to account for spreading their virus around the world (at the same time they banned internal travel from affected areas) then we can’t have a healthy relationship with them.
If we can’t speak the truth to the Chicoms about their tyrannical policies
Yea, a cuntry with tyrannical policies lecturing another one about tyrannical policies lolz
or hold them to account for spreading their virus around the world
They stopped it, in its tracks
the rest of the world kept flying people out, letting it loose. China offered to keep them there
And, at the time, we didn’t know anything, but morrison thought he did, and was willing to blame them for everything
NOW, it looks like the virus was in Italy before China had any symptoms
“NOW, it looks like” ….. Tom R is in full Chicom propaganda mode.
Economics: stop digging coal it’s no longer profitable.
Tell that to all the coal miners who are still digging coal. Don’t they know someone on twitter says it’s no longer profitable.
(The “science” one is bullshit too.)
then we can’t have a healthy relationship with them.
Cough, cough, splutter …
Tell that to all the coal miners …
Wonder where all the shit went when they introduced the automobeel … and the blacksmiths, and the oat farmers …
Progress sneaks up in sneaky ways …
Economics: stop digging coal it’s no longer profitable.
Except digging coal is profitable. BTW i thought China is building lots of coal fired power stations so where are they going to get the coal from??
Wonder where all the shit went when they introduced the automobeel … and the blacksmiths, and the oat farmers …
Cars were an improvement so i guess they went into making cars. It is yet to be seen whether solar and wind generated electricity is an improvement
Tom R is in full Chicom propaganda mod
Looks like someone else can’t read, so stays on the McCarthy path. But, if all you’ve got is name calling, call names (even if that shit went outta style in the 50’s)
Tell that to all the coal miners who are still digging coal
So, who’s buying it? Not our biggest trading partner
First, they forced our car industry overseas, then our submarines, until all we had left, was digging up shit and shipping it overseas.
Now, all we’ve got left is digging the shit up. Nice work fellas
First, they forced our car industry overseas,
Telling lies helps nobody but you cannot stop misleading people.
Why did Ford announce they were leaving when Gillard was PM??
BTW in the late 1970’s we made most things here. Now it is all gone.
Speaking of “political” systems … democracy, socialism, communism, whateverism … its the people who control the sytem that determine success or failure … you just have to look around the world at the power hungry/crazed men touting themselves as “leaders” – they are simply destroyers … of families …
The only people who really benefit are the leaners – the rich Elites …
And just what is this “Political Class” Australians talk about now?
Australia the Egalitarian Myth ….
Tom R is in full Chicom propaganda mod
No, the Chinese Government is more subtle
No, the Chinese Government is more subtle
LINK!
yomm still can’t provide links for his provenly false statements.
I guess that’s because they are … provenly false statements.
More evil bastardy from the bad boys on the Amnesty international reports
Don’t they know someone on twitter says it’s no longer profitable.
The Twitterati have taken over!
(If only someone had warned those miners before the election)
The owners of Australia’s newest coal-fired power station have written down the value of the asset to zero, wiping out a $1.2 billion investment in the face of an onslaught of renewable energy.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/bluewaters-coal-fired-power-station-written-off-books/12990532
from Tom’s link…
“In a developed power market, a relatively new — really, very new — coal-fired power station has been deemed to have effectively no value.”
But, but, but what about our coal….!!
Don’t cry those coaladile tears with me matey!
“yomm still can’t …”
Says the chap who thinks calling a CCP stooge “Shanghai Sam” is racist. What race is Shanghai? Did it occur to you that the reference might be to Dastyari being a compromised Chicom asset?
Says the chap who thinks calling a CCP stooge “Shanghai Sam” is racist.
Hey, I don’t ‘think’ that, the human rights commission describes it as that
Did it occur to you that the reference might be to Dastyari being a compromised Chicom asset?
Yea, he’s so ‘compromised’, he listed it it publicly in declarations (unlike many of the libs side)
” the human rights commission describes it as that”
Your argument from authority fallacy demonstrates nothing other than your inability to make a logical case.
Your argument from authority fallacy demonstrates nothing other than your inability to make a logical case.
I tried reading it slower, and it sounded even dumber
So, people who are experts in the field, are a fallacy, is THAT you logic?
“I disagree, therefore, I am right!”
“I tried reading it slower, and it sounded even dumber”
No surprise there.
Try this:
“Example #2:
How do I know the adult film industry is the third largest industry in the United States? Derek Shlongmiester, the adult film star of over 50 years, said it was. That’s how I know.
Explanation: Shlongmiester may be an industry expert, as well as have a huge talent, but a claim such as the one made would require supporting evidence. For the record, the adult film industry may be large, but on a scale from 0 to 12 inches, it’s only about a fraction of an inch.”
Soooo, the human rights commission is an aged porn star
yep, still sounds fucking stupid to me.
Have you started drinking earlier than usual splats?
Or still going from last night?
I’m not the one basing my arguments on logical fallacies, Tom R.
You have been slipping lately. One of the things that distinguishes you from Neil is that your arguments are usually at least superficially plausible. Unfortunately, when you are in full Chicom Running Dog mode your arguments are patently ridiculous. You make that cretinous arse-clown Neil seem a master of logic and rhetorical genius.
Soo, using professionals in the field is an “argument from authority fallacy”
Whereas, your feels are correct
All I did was use it as another example of how wrong you are.
Sorry, but in all things, I’ll always fall back on professionals advice. I mean, if you disagree with a dr, do you ask another dr, or do you ask a rancid old rwdb what their feelpinion on the matter is?
I mean, they are not an isolated opinion either. The evidence is stacked against you
https://www.futurelearn.com/info/courses/first-peoples-safer-healthcare/0/steps/50675
But in your mixed up little world, overwhelming evidence is now apparently an ‘appeal to authority’
You’re cooked dude
ooh look another “appeal to authority’
Well, I don’t believe it, what would fucken economists know anyway! I’ll ask splats, cos he’s my go to guy for …. everything lol
Whew, thanks splats, I can ignore this, it’s just another limp “appeal to authority”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-17/lockdown-public-housing-towers-breached-human-rights-ombudsman/12991162
(actually, I agree with her. What does that make me then? An addicted appealer?
The fascist mantra … “I disagree, therefore, I am right!”
But what about God … and the Bible?
You make that cretinous arse-clown Neil seem a master of logic and rhetorical genius.
You have any examples of my bad logic??
But what about God … and the Bible?
There you go, bringing ‘science’ into it again 🙂
Or, the ultimate “appeal to authority” (cos nothing says ‘authority’ like deliberately drowning an (almost) entire species)
BTW Spatterbum
You have all the characteristics of leftism. You believe you are morally superior than anybody else. Perhaps you were a leftist once and then the old morally degenerate ideas are hard to remove
You have any examples of my bad logic??
Oh, puleeese …. 😃😃😃
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… deliberately drowning an (almost) entire species
That’s what fascists (God is a fascist dictator) do when socialism is successful … splatterbum is filling his tub as I write!
splatterbum is filling his tub as I write!
Thanks. Now I’ve images I cannot erase 😦
“when socialism is successful …”
You are too funny, TB.
Socialism has never been successful. Unless killing a hundred million people is a success!
Socialism always results in poverty, misery and death for the victims who are forced to live under socialist regimes.
“Now I’ve images I cannot erase”
You should watch Pasolini’s “Salò” sometime.
“You have any examples of my bad logic??”
Falling victim to a logical fallacy is the very definition of bad logic!
Socialism has never been successful.
Tell the Swedes
Splatterbum
I am not very smart. An example of my failed logic would be nice. Life is a learning experience.
But my beliefs are that ALP/Greens supporters mislead and deceive people. Sounds like you have come out of that group but still retain some of the bad ideas
“Tell the Swedes”
Sweden isn’t socialist.
Neil:
“I am not very smart. An example of my failed logic would be nice. Life is a learning experience.”
The problem is that when you are not very smart you can’t learn very much. And you don’t.
Much better to be a Splatterbottom and frolic in the shit you shower everywhere.
Sweden isn’t socialist.
Please Explain.
I mean, they have government controlled schools, welfare and healthcare? Social housing.
Splatterbum
Some examples of my failed logic would be nice since you made the allegation.
“Please Explain.”
Socialism means the social ownership of the means of production.
The Nordic model is high welfare based on an economy driven by the private ownership of the means of production.
The degree of welfare provided has nothing to do with whether an economy is socialist.
Sure, their not ‘fully’ socialist’
They just have a very socialized system of governance, which is high taxing, but high returning
“The degree of welfare provided has nothing to do with whether an economy is socialist.”
I didn’t say economy though, did I (or you, before now)
So I was on the tram earlier and there was some guy up the front with a robotic voice yelling profanities at every one.
It’s not uncommon to encounter people who, let’s just say, ‘haven’t quite adjusted well to some of life’s challenges’ hurling abuse at people on public transport, but it’s quite something else to find someone that has to use one of those electronic devices you hold up to your throat in order to do so.
I guess he must’ve had throat cancer or something, and perhaps that might’ve played some part in his pent up anger, but he just sounded more like an ‘angry dalek’ than someone who might actually pose a danger to himself or others.
Needless to say, I thought it was quite funny.
forced to live under socialist regimes
We are all forced to live under whatever political regime exists …
You confuse socialism with communism … constantly … pretending to know what you are talking about … just like Trump … is it sounds right it must be right … like comparing capitalism with communism … or socialism with communism … and fascism with … on and on
Let’s face it fascists are religious nutters … communists are agnostic nutters … socialists are equality nutters … democratists are fairness nutter … capitalists are greedy nutters (and reside in all the nutters camps … everyone of these theories has been tried and all fail because corruption condoned and expedited by religion spreads like a virus …
Needless to say, I thought it was quite funny.
He’s here, reb! Now!
The degree of welfare provided has nothing to do with whether an economy is socialist.
Socialism means the social ownership of the means of production.
That is the technical definition but it is often a hybrid relationship … ie in Germany 50% of a company’s Directors are from the workforce … socialism can also be found in many forms not just “technical” just as all the other nutters …
Maybe it was Ian Macfarlane.
but it is often a hybrid relationship
Yes, Swedens model is described as social corporatism, a hybrid of pure capitalism and pure socialism.’
We ‘had’ a similar model, but have drifted further to pure capitalism, with the associated drop in care for the worst off.
But hey, the best off are better off, so yays. 😦
more like an ‘angry dalek
It’s all fun and games until somebody is EXTERMINATEd
We ‘had’ a similar model, but have drifted further to pure capitalism, with the associated drop in care for the worst off.
You have to be kidding. This country is becoming more socialist everyday. At this rate the govt will be running everything soon
Maybe it was Ian Macfarlane.
So, splatterbum, is just a non-de plume for Ian Macfarlane?
We ‘had’ a similar model, but have drifted further to pure capitalism, with the associated drop in care for the worst off.
Yep, cloning into the 51st State of the US of A and the GOP!
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1. An example of my failed logic would be nice.
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At this rate the govt will be running everything soon
Why Rupert Murdoch should STFU!
Either retire gracefully or just find a Dalek …
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/pete-evans-urges-sydneysiders-to-not-get-tested-amid-new-covid-outbreak/news-story/19b53ace6bff8a073cc5810129d3c845
At this rate the govt will be running everything soon
The way they are going about it is termed ‘fascism’
TomR
How is this country drifting to pure capitalism???
2. An example of my failed logic would be nice.
How is this country drifting to pure capitalism???
“You confuse socialism with communism … constantly … pretending to know what you are talking about … just like Trump … is it sounds right it must be right … like comparing capitalism with communism … or socialism with communism … and fascism with … on and on”
You’re not even pretending, TB. Just dribbling out a meaningless word salad from your anus.
You know as well as I do that communism is one form of socialism.
You know as well as I do that capitalism is one form of fascism.
There has been no society that has had all goods and services provided by the private sector. Only lunatics argue for a total lack of government intervention in the economy.
In Australia’s case we have a history of the government providing schools, utilities, hospitals, museums and libraries, law enforcement and border security as well as laying down the framework of laws in which an essentially market based economy can flourish. An important part of this framework is limiting the creation of monopolies and preventing the exploitative behaviour of those that exist.
We have seen predominantly socialist countries in which all or substantially all of the means of production are owned by the state. All of these have been abject failures.
We have seen what happens when a socialist country allows some private ownership of capital. In China’s case, that measure has lifted hundreds of millions out of abject poverty.
Venezuela went in the opposite direction nationalising its largest enterprise and collapsing economically – providing those with eyes to see a graphic example of what socialism means in practice. Another aspect is the extreme wealth of the families of the ruling elite.
Yet it wasn’t that long ago that Obama was feting Chavez and Phlatulent Philip Adams was begging Chavez to come to Australia to teach us how to run an economy. That is how truly dumb leftists are! Even the NYT finally realised it:
“Hugo Chávez, said Britain’s Jeremy Corbyn, “showed us there is a different and a better way of doing things. It’s called socialism, it’s called social justice, and it’s something that Venezuela has made a big step toward.” Noam Chomsky was similarly enthusiastic when he praised Chávez in 2009. “What’s so exciting about at last visiting Venezuela,” the linguist said, is that “I can see how a better world is being created and can speak to the person who’s inspired it.” …
New York University professor Greg Grandin opined, “the biggest problem Venezuela faced during his rule was not that Chávez was authoritarian but that he wasn’t authoritarian enough.”
At least Grandin could implicitly concede that socialism ultimately requires coercion to achieve its political aims; otherwise, it’s human nature for people to find loopholes and workarounds to keep as much of their property as they can.”
The tendency of the elites to on about socialism is a sign of the endemic stupidity plaguing our society. It is one of the greatest threats to our freedom and prosperity as a nation.
We have seen what happens when a socialist country allows some private ownership of capital. In China’s case, that measure has lifted hundreds of millions out of abject poverty.
This ties in well with statements like
” I would rather starve than live on a diet of the commie feces ”
I’ve long said that I agree with capitalism, but capitalism with a strong socialist base.
In our cuntry, in this day and age, all we do, is capitalize the profits, and socialize the losses. That’s not how it is is supposed to work
“in this day and age, all we do, is capitalize the profits, and socialize the losses. That’s not how it is is supposed to work”
I heartily agree that that is wrong. It is not all we do. The government also sells government businesses which become private monopolies. There are some things better run by the government.
“I’ve long said that I agree with capitalism, but capitalism with a strong socialist base.”
What is a “strong socialist base”? Increased welfare expenditure is isn’t socialism. Giving employees shares in a company or a seat at the board table isn’t socialism. Waht exactly are you talking about here?
If the government owns the means of production you end up with a command economy where the government is the only decision maker when it comes to allocation of scarce resources. A market based system where the allocation of resources is determined by the decisions of consumers and business owners produces better economic outcomes.
The coercion necessary to enforce socialist strictures on private ownership leads to more totalitarian control. With human nature being what it is, this control is exploited for the benefit of the ruling elites.
You’re not even pretending, TB. Just dribbling out a meaningless word salad from your anus.
I wouldn’t dream of emulating your specialty, I enjoy a morning chuckle with the best of ’em …
You know as well as I do that communism is one form of socialism.
Now, does democracy seek to create an equal society?
Not when it is linked to corrupt Elites greedily sucking up wealth and spilling the blood of ordinary folk who just want to live a peaceful life and bring up a family …
Which countries are flogging military weapons overseas right now? And buying them?
Check these lists … all but one selling are democracies (China from 2018)
Australians have been startled that our government, apparently without any public consultation or debate in parliament, intends greatly to expand Australian arms production to become within ten years one of the top ten defence exporters, on a par with Britain, France, and Germany.
Don’t burble about democracy and capitalism without realising its “profit before people” approach to every decision – political, production, administration, business, entertainment, sport, education, religion, personal freedoms … PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT!
Any system is only as good as the people who manage it … we have some pretty awful “managers” in democratic/communist diktats …
I prefer to thrive in a society,
Not survive in an economy!
Check these lists … all but one selling are democracies (China from 2018)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry
TB
How is this country drifting to pure capitalism as TomR states?? It looks like to me the govt is taking over more and more
“The main difference is that socialism is compatible with democracy and liberty, whereas Communism involves creating an ‘equal society’ through an authoritarian state, which denies basic liberties.”
That right there is BS. Communism is a subset of socialism. All socialist regimes to date have been tyrannical.
“Now, does democracy seek to create an equal society?”
I haven’t mentioned democracy.
“Not when it is linked to corrupt Elites greedily sucking up wealth and spilling the blood of ordinary folk who just want to live a peaceful life and bring up a family”
Now you are describing socialist countries like Venezuela, Cuba and China.
“Don’t burble about democracy and capitalism without realising its “profit before people” approach to every decision – political, production, administration, business, entertainment, sport, education, religion, personal freedoms … PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT!”
You really need to read and, more importantly, understand Adam Smith’s “Theory of Moral Sentiments”.
“I prefer to thrive in a society,
Not survive in an economy!”
No one thrives under socialism, apart from the ruling elites. I assume you see that as your station.
All socialist regimes to date have been tyrannical.
Socialism = BOO
Well, if you think Socialism is just one thing ,anyway 😉
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_socialism
There are none so blind …
You really need to read and, more importantly, understand Adam Smith’s “Theory of Moral Sentiments”.
Thanks for the “advice” … perhaps you should read more widely, if you think Adam Smiths’ treatise and pamphets are so significant … the so-called Father of Capitalism if I recall … I take it you have also read “The Communist Manifesto”, “Mein Kampf” and the Bible … they will all give you a broader understanding of human frailty and why they are easily led … by so-called “leaders” including Smith.
Some friendly advice, allow plenty of time to struggle through Mein Kampf awful structure- Bible’s pretty easy after the third time …
… the study of human behaviour and psyche has moved along since the days of shooting soldiers with PTSD … (although Australian Liberal governments practised press gang recruitment until recently) …
You didn’t mention anything about the “Arms Dealerships” … if selling weapons to nations at war, or to those who want to be at war, isn’t aggressive I don’t know what is …
And until you have worn a uniform in support of democratic aggression … don’t ever think you live in a “free” (in so many ways) society … how’s the armchair …
There are none so blind …
And BTW you actually reside within a monarchist society … but you’d be happy with that …
Have you read “On China” yet?
“I don’t know what is …”
True. You don’t.
If you don’t want to read Smith, Pinker nicely summarises Smith’s main insight in “Enlightenment Now” whereas Harari, in “Sapiens”, totally misses the point and takes a view more in line with your simplistic caricature.
So, TB, what is your solution to arms proliferation?
How did giving up nukes go with the Ukraine whose freedom was guaranteed by the EU and US? Libya? If Ukraine was properly armed it would not have lost a big chunk of its territory.
What happens if China and Russia are the only arms suppliers?
Do you think selling arms to countries threatened by tyrannical regimes should be banned?
“And BTW you actually reside within a monarchist society … but you’d be happy with that …”
I am. That is the least of our problems. None of the republican alternatives offer and improvement.
“any improvement”
TB
How is this country drifting to pure capitalism as TomR states??
Even the broadband network is being built by a govt company. It was always Labors plan to sell the NBN when it is finished but who would buy it? We will be stuck with a govt owned NBN forever
” who would buy it? “
It works like this:
An investment bank will take 5% cut of the capital raised to purchase NBN Co, say $100bn, or whatever it took to build the NBN.
The bank would advise the government that the only way the government could get this price if the NBN is a statutory monopoly and competitors are outlawed. These arrangements will be legislated.
Contracts will ensure the government is liable for massive damages if any future government does anything to diminish the profitability of NBN Co.
Fund managers will subscribe with your super funds and take a cut of the assets under investment.
Bankers and fund managers make off like bandits, competition is stifled and whatever the next generation of technology is will be stifled or limited to NBN Co. who, being a monopoly wholesale provider will ensure that it receives an “adequate” return on its investment.
If you don’t want to read Smith
A “ToM” assumption …
I’ll ignore the rest …
Example 1:
Some took to The Beaches Market Facebook page to vent their rage, branding the organisers “totally irresponsible” with one commenter noting, “This should be closed down for the public’s safety. Lives over money. You are letting the community down.”
Wonderful Uber Kapitalism – Profit before People …
“I’ll ignore the rest …”
Seems like your primary mode of thought – ignorance!
Seems like your primary mode of thought – ignorance!
So should he go with yours? abuse?
Splatterbum
Nobody is going to buy the NBN which was decided on that plane flight in 2009.
It will be govt owned forever and the cost of building it will be added to our national debt. It will never make a profit and i doubt it will make enough money to pay for the cost of building it
splatterbum
Seems like your primary mode of thought
That type of reply is why I ignored your comments … ie unless I agree … I’m ignorant … you are the font of all knowledge … you would do well in a communist state (have you actually read The Little Red Book) you may be surprised – based upon what you comment … while you demonstrate a “free” mind you are actually locked into a “what I have been told” mindset … not … as you claim – read – and understood … snippets here and rumour here … “someone told me” … I’ve spent a lifetime listening to amateur wannabe academics in business and socially … I call them The Followers … my German born Australian friend and I, often discuss WWII that his parents lived – and my parents lived … he is widely read as am I (despite your not so subtle insults) … so bullshit is simply bullshit …
Let me TRY to explain … I am a social democrat:
I believe in the concept of The People everyone gets to vote!
I do not believe in The Political Class or any CLASS
I object to crass exploitation of democracy by ANYONE – especially politicians
I object to a a true “freedom of press”
I believe in a free universal health care for all Australians
I believe in a free universal education system
I believe in everyone having a roof over their head
I believe in everyone having enough food and clothing
You’re get the idea (your not a dill)
I believe in capitalism (I operated my own business for 16 years) and I didn’t retire at 59 by accident!
I object to business (particularly big business) manipulating the democratic process (that is no better than the Communist states that you object to – and me!)
There’s more but I’ve had a busy day and it’s Friday, always my favourite day after working 12 six 12 hour days away from home … time for a quiet drink …
Example 3. An example of my failed logic would be nice.
Nobody is going to buy the NBN which was decided on that plane flight in 2009.
As usual Kneel is so fucking tedious!
OK TB who is going to purchase the NBN? What company has $50B-$100B floating around to purchase it?
Gish gallop – ring a bell?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
TB
How is this country drifting to pure capitalism as TomR states??
(– ring a bell?
No??)
V (you are V aren’t you?)
Loved The Trans Siberian Bells … as for pataphysics … I rely on … plan for the worst, hope for the best! Pataphysics … FFS!
I also rely on mock orange blossoms, ant behaviour, birds and clouds to tell me its about to rain … the Bureau of Meteorology get it sometimes … I guess if you live in an apartment/townhouse jail that could be difficult.😥
No it’s not V…
How would you fkn know … oh, yeah, fkn Blogmaeister knows us all! 😎
LOL! Regards
One day?
Oh the fkn hypocrisy!!!
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/coronavirus-australia-scott-morrison-addresses-nation-on-northern-beaches-virus-cluster-in-nsw/news-story/5f553b0ab7cacda02a23fc0446c8b72f
“Scott Morrison addresses nation on northern beaches virus cluster in NSW”
Wait, did I miss the bit where he slammed the State Premier and Health Minister for incompetence and demand their resignations…..??
Wait, did I miss the bit where he slammed the State Premier and Health Minister for incompetence and demand their resignations…..??
No, he just mispronounced their names as Dan Andrews.
Is Andrews a lucky and clever politician? Or just lucky or clever?
The long awaited, much delayed report on Victoria’s hotel quarantine
debacleprogram arrives tomorrow.He’s my tip on the points Andrews will make in response-
* today isn’t the day to engage in pointless navel gazing when our friends in Sydny are experiencing such hardship.
* we know only too well that the virus is a wicked enemy, as the people of NSW are now experiencing
* no human life is worth a game of golf
* don’t blame me
Or just lucky or clever?
Just competent and determined to govern his state …
As apposed to your mean spirited, bitter old man, miserable politically driven drivel …
Get over it … Dan Andrews performed … and gets shit …
Gladdis* gets away with corruption, love trysts, condoning business deals against the state, dodgy wheeling and dealings, lies, deceit and political manipulation and is “praised” by a dodgy, lazy, politically inept Sooty from Marketing … and his fawning, ignorant followers Vacuum Kapitalism … when People NOT Profit are important!
Ahhhhhhhh … much better! Bunch of fuckwits!
How is my gaggle. Still sticking their necks out l see. That’s good. l always enjoy commitment.
Mupp-pets all en-joy non choice,
For we are dumb as tea.
With ro-bo-debts and mi-ning pits,
Our dirt is not for free.
Our land’s a-wash in corporate gifts.
Black-birds. Ir-on. Coal.
At eve-ry chance, we cack our pants,
And fol-low yank-ee land.
At eve-ry chance, we cack our pants,
And fol-low yank-ee land.
@Try.harder.gladys
Listen up bananas, chairman gladys is the female version of your chairman noddy. Have know doubt.
Let’s say thePanda puts up a string of ISP satellites around the planet and offers super cheap internet direct to user and bypassing fiveeyed tyrants in the process. That’s what l’d do if l was thePanda. Then setup uberfood like and ubertaxi like competition apps that can syphon cash out of the idiot west. Apps just need to give slightly better deal than uber.
Yep teamcheerer. The ‘pandaVirus’ was found the italy, spain and france sewer samples taken 3 or 4 weeks before wuhan. Slomo is just another dumb teabag sticking his gun in his mouth, and discharging both barrels. l reckon thePanda will require some serious grovelling from the zombies before ‘mends’ can start being made.
Hope all my blog buddys have a good xmas and new year, even if wearing a boltsvillage birka.
Have know doubt.
Mmmmm …. sorta loses impact …
TB, you should not mistake the odd jibe for some form of malice. Often it is little more than wordplay – I linked your declaration that you ignore some comments to the consequences of ignoring things, namely ignorance. Just a bit of fun. . It is more fun to argue than agree. There is nothing so boring as an amen corner. I don’t mind the odd insult, though it is better if it is incidental to and accompanied by a reasoned argument.
What’s more I have nothing but respect for what you have done with your life – family, service, resilience, achievement in business. Not to mention your ability to sing well, something I am extremely jealous of. However, I’m not here to blow smoke up your arse.
As you know, true friends try to help each other along and correct each other’s defects. With this in mind I have decided to help you out by setting you to rights on a few points.
First, there is this tic you have where you spray a few phrases over the page grumbling and muttering insults and insinuations. TB, meet the very definition of a Gish gallop – rapid fire word salad with insults thrown in:
”That type of reply is why I ignored your comments … ie unless I agree … I’m ignorant … you are the font of all knowledge … you would do well in a communist state (have you actually read The Little Red Book) you may be surprised – based upon what you comment … while you demonstrate a “free” mind you are actually locked into a “what I have been told” mindset … not … as you claim – read – and understood … snippets here and rumour here … “someone told me” … I’ve spent a lifetime listening to amateur wannabe academics in business and socially … I call them The Followers … my German born Australian friend and I, often discuss WWII that his parents lived – and my parents lived … he is widely read as am I (despite your not so subtle insults) … so bullshit is simply bullshit …”
This leads into another of your habits which debilitates rather than strengthens your arguments. That is you constantly referring to your own lived experience as though it is somehow decisive. It may surprise you to learn that there are plenty of us here with experience as well. Some of us even have German-born friends.
You see, TB, as we age we become more prone to recalling events and experiences of our lives and boring the shit out of our relatives and friends by retelling them in a misguided effort to pass on some wisdom. In the end, as you slowly fade out, you will be left with a repertoire of half a dozen such anecdotes on constant replay.
While your anecdotes may be informative they are unlikely, without more, to convince anyone of anything other than that you are much given to self-referential arguments like many a pontificating old fart. My advice would be to base your arguments on a wider set of facts, proceeding from reasonable premises to a logical conclusion.
A third point is that your reflex response to criticism of the ALP, or some other idea or entity that that you are partial to, is, more often than not, to attack the opposing party. This is a most basic and unsubtle form of the look-over-there fallacy. It would be much better to deal with the criticism at hand rather than deflect.
Lastly, there is your constant reference to your university studies. It is commendable that you have a university degree. Most people here would have one or more. I have three covering a fair range of subjects. My wife and children have another 14 between them. That includes a university medal from U Syd, a PhD in physics, medicine, nursing a couple other science degrees and one currently doing actuarial studies. And that is just the women. I would recommend that you ditch the references to your studies and just get down to the actual argument at hand.
TB, I hope this has been helpful to you. I wouldn’t have taken the time if I didn’t like and respect you.
You’re welcome.
Victorian hotel quarantine inquiry report unable to determine who made private security decision
The decision that made itself – Coate comes through for Running Dog Dan.
For those with an interest in such things, here is a timeline of Hunter Biden’s entanglements with Chinese entities.
poor timmy
I see the report fully vindicated Dan!
“Systemic failure ” isn’t really criticism, is it?
PM shirks duty in gold-standard quarantine blame game
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/12/22/paul-bongiorno-scott-morrison-quarantine/
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Why oh why didn’t (Dan’s pet inquiry head) Coates blame individual security guards, just like the “I stand with Dan” cheer club recommended?
Eight hundred Victorians were killed by Running Dog Dan’s government. Yet nobody is to blame.
Essentially this was a jobs for the boys play. We know who one of the boys was – a security company from Sydney not even on the preferred service provider list.
Comrade Coate did not identify who put forward Unified Security (which got the largest contract) as a candidate, apparently the name just emerged from a Whatsapp group chat.
She did not say what communications were had with Unified on the day the decision was made, why hours before the decision was made Unified sent an urgent email to its guards to do a short online covid training course and immediately upon completion of it to email management. Stupid mongrel Coate did not even make Unified’s CEO appear as a witness. That way she didn’t have to ask him any hard questions.
The Coate Report should be subtitled “The Decision That Made Itself – Dan Andrews Definitely Not To Blame.”
“the Federal govt is responsible for Quarantine”
Righto then.
So it was the Feds who decided to use private security and paid the private contractors.
It was the Feds who decided to use the ADF in every state but Victoria.
It was the Feds who paid $30m to unified Security.
the Federal govt is responsible for Quarantine
This is exactly the type of disingenuous comment from someone who is ignorant about legislation.
I wonder whether someone would refer James M to-
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2016C00847
You’re welcome.
Sir, sir, am I expected to reply, sir?
Thank you for your reply, TB. I trust I was of help to you.
More than you’ll ever know …
lol, yomm IS nil
It was the Feds who decided to use the ADF in every state but Victoria.
I see Victoria has requested ADF support again
And been denied, again.
Maybe they’re just the wrong party?
Really? You read comments, but not bothering to note who makes them!
Lack of attention to detail is a common trait among zealots
“And been denied, again.”
So the ADF is not assisting with hotel quarantine in Victoria?
You read comments, but not bothering to note who makes them!
“I wonder whether someone would refer James M to-”
You’ve put that shit up before, and it was explained then that it meant nothing. But you wanna go round the mulberry bush again, just like nil
So the ADF is not assisting with hotel quarantine in Victoria?
See above ffs. The ADF can’t do shit. Only the cops or … private security. The ADF, such as it is, are simply there as hood ornaments. Many links have been put up, but play the nil game too. Although, my comment was in regards to border security. They requested 300, and got a handful.
You’ve attributed an intelligent and thoughtful comment to me! That’s understandable, but it’s incorrect on this occasion.
And… that’s why all those state governments have said- “hotel quarantine isn’t our responsibility ”
…although even Dan didn’t use that excuse. And he’s tried every possible lame excuse for causing Victoria’s second wave
It seems Morrison has also screwed up Germany’s relationship with China!
Germany’s UN envoy, during his last scheduled UN Security Council meeting, appealed to China to free two detained Canadians for Christmas, prompting China’s deputy UN envoy to respond: “Out of the bottom of my heart: Good riddance.”
“Although, my comment was in regards to border security.”
Exactly! You were conflating apples and oranges.
Your reply was about a different issue and in no way contradicted my point that it was the Victorian Government who made the decision that Victoria would not use private contractors as distinct from every other state which used ADF personnel. Not even Lapdog Coate suggested it was the Feds even though the mongrel couldn’t (or didn’t want to) find out who did make the decision.
“Victoria would use private contractors”
“More than you’ll ever know …”
I know.
it was the Victorian Government who made the decision that Victoria would not use private contractors as distinct from every other state which used ADF personnel.
NOBODY uses ADF for Hotel security, nobody
“The original request from Victoria has been scaled back after the ADF advised that they were not able to undertake any security type work or perform floor monitoring roles in the health hotels,” a Government spokesperson said in a statement.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-04/victoria-scales-back-troop-request-for-new-hotel-quarantine-prog/12952512
Everyone uses Private security
You are not addressing my point, Tom R. Who decided to use private contractors the Vics or the Feds?
Who decided to use private contractors the Vics or the Feds?
The problem is, the question is wrong. Whoever came up with the idea, it was adopted by all states. We may never know, as the feds are keeping (or trying to keep) the meetings secret. The question is who decided to use ANY form of quarantine, the states or the feds?
“The question is wrong”
You’ve learnt for Dan, he always asks himself questions and answers it at kenght 3 or 4 times before moving to his next question!
‘The problem is, the question is wrong.”
The problem is that James M said: “the Federal govt is responsible for Quarantine”.
This implies that the Federal government was responsible for the decision made in late March to use private contractors to supervise hotel quarantine.
Apparently Buttkisser Coate was labouring under the delusion that some Victorian politician or public servant made the fatal decision. What a ninny eh? No wonder she couldn’t find out who made the decision despite her substantial resources and exacting examination of the situation! What a ninny, eh?
made the fatal decision.
Why ‘fatal’
Was private security the reason for the many deaths in aged care?
Have other states stopped using them?
Even the Gold Standard state uses them. STILL
Listen up bananas, chairman gladys is boring giant pipes under the state and capital village. Also selling parramatta as ‘second’ heart of city. One of the giant pipes being bored will go from capital village to parramatta, then on to ten times the price airport. Now chairman gladys has decided to do this, along with a small army of her goosesteppers in the corporatist youth, virtue signalling their uni degree and purity of blood. There is probably thousands of these imbeciles involved. Now for the fun part, parramatta is the arse end AND pinch point of TWO flood plains. @glug (-: glug (-: glug (-: `
It could only get better if chairman gladys bored a giant pipe to stockton and byron.`
“questions and answers it at kenght 3 or 4 times before ”
Pssst. The physics and the superBug will always win.
Tom R, virtually all the deaths in the Victorian second wave traced back to quarantine failures in hotels supervised by private security companies. If Running Dog Dan and his minions had not been so intent on providing jobs for the boys those people would still be alive.
You were once the Gold Standard troll. To do achieve that status your trolling had at least a patina of plausibility. Nowadays your comments are just laughable – irrational idiocy in the service of the murderous moral monstrosity leading Victoria.
“Listen up bananas, chairman gladys is boring”
We all knew that. One look at her recently dispatched paramour would tell you that. She apparently found something worth rooting in that sullen saggy face and bloated body. He looked to be extremely boring and not in a good way.
traced back to quarantine failures in hotels s
EVERY state has had quarantine failures, many more incredulous what happened there. NSW are having them all the time.
The issue is what happened after. I’m still putting my money on the difference in the weather. It is all that has saved Sydney
Every other state contained the virus.
A Victorian government program was characterised with systemic failure, and allowed the virus to leak into the community.
700+ cases a day was the result
Every other state contained the virus.
Only because every other state kept NSW out … and it almost got away from Sydney this time …
Problem is hindsight is so easy to manipulate … everybody’s an expert after the event …
Covid 19 the event that had to happen and the experts still struggle with understanding what’s happening … ‘cept ToM The Terrific, Medical Miracle Magician Extraordinaire!
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SloMo is still bogged down in nonTrade with thePanda despite swapping his imbeciles in the portfolio. (-:`
I think most of us, I exclude apologists, understand what’s happened. Our prime minister said that when we get a handle on managing this pandemic, we should find out what happened. It was a mild and not unreasonable statement considering that millions of people were and still are affected world wide, economies wrecked. China punished Scott Morrison for his words by ordering traders to stop purchasing at least seven key categories of Australian commodities.
On the other hand we are still importing products from China. Have been all through 2020. I’m pleased to see that we’re beginning to diversify our imports and exports.
(I think most of us, I exclude apologists, understand what’s happened.
Oh…an ‘exclusive‘; Our Sharri, on FOX, by any chance?)
It was a mild and not unreasonable statement
ivi sums up how rubbish this is by any chance
Tiananmen Tom – quick to jump on any criticism of his Chinese overlords.
splats, able to ignore the nose in front of his arse
I always notice TB when he is sniffing around back there!
I think you are confusing TB with you’re own finger to be honest
Who nose?
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