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Everything you need to know about the Australian Govt’s battle with Facebook!

February 19, 2021

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT’S BATTLE WITH FACEBOOK is showing no signs of abating with Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg slamming the social media giant as a “bully” for not acquiescing to the Federal Government’s demands that it pay to give Rupert Murdoch’s media conglomerate free publicity in the form of hyperlink’s to the Sun Herald and Daily Telegraph trashy rags on Facebook news feeds.

Oddly enough, Facebook didn’t consider this free publicity for News Corp to be critical to its business operations or essential to its future viability.

Somewhat bizarrely, Josh Frydenberg expected Facebook to capitulate to the Government’s demands for reasons that are best known to Mr Frydenberg and remain a mystery to the rest of us.

For those who need to catch up, our understanding is that the conversation between the Treasurer and Marke Zuckerberg from Facebook went something like this…

Oz Govt: “Facebook, we don’t like the free publicity you give to our mate Rupert Murdoch’s newspapers with all your free links to his websites”

FB: “Oh ok.”

Oz Govt: “In fact we think you outta pay for that – even tho you’re giving our mate free publicity.”

FB: “We don’t think we really need to pay.”

Oz Govt: “Well we think you do, and we’re gonna make a new law so that you’ll have to.”

FB: “Uh, ok, we’ll just stop doing it then.”

OZ Govt: “Yeah sure, we dare ya…!”

FB: “Uh ok, then.”

OZ Govt: “Hey, what’s going on, all that free publicity to our mate Rupert’s newspapers has just vanished overnight…! WTAF is going on….??!!”

FB: “Um, we decided to stop doing it.”

OZ Govt: “What..??!! You guys can’t do that…!! Why are you bullying us…??!! You’re destroying free speech in Australia… WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU…!!

FB: “….”

OZ Govt: “Facebook is the enemy of the people. They hate our way of life and want to destroy our freedoms….!!

FB: “….”

459 Comments leave one →
  1. February 19, 2021 4:41 pm

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  2. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2021 4:52 pm

    Immaculate “look over there” from SloMo & The Scumbags … takes the heat off the alleged rape incident, the economy, JobKeeper, JobSeeker, the pandemic vaccine rollout, Craig Kelly (snigger), China … and Golden Gladys oops they boo booed there …

    FFS! Its Facebook! The sky will not fall in … pigs won’t fly … and rain is wet

    https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=t1EvYNfBLvvZz7sP0b6NsAo&iflsig=AINFCbYAAAAAYC9fx3TcsbdqAZFdyro7l3hbAxNJGfv2&q=facebook+alternatives+australia&oq=Facebook+alternatives&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYATIICAAQsQMQgwEyBAgAEAMyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADoLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAguELEDEIMBOg4ILhCxAxCDARDHARCjAjoFCAAQsQNQmxdY-UNgzltoAXAAeACAAaYDiAHtKpIBCDItMTkuMS4xmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdperABAA&sclient=gws-wiz

    Bunch a spoilt kids …

    Fuck I’ve run out of crayons … waste of time …

  3. Tony permalink
    February 19, 2021 5:11 pm

    I don’t do Facebook so not sure how big of a deal this is. My mum will know.

    (My phone wasn’t handling the other thread. Too much to load I think.)

  4. Tony permalink
    February 19, 2021 5:57 pm

    “White House says Texas winter storm likely due to climate change”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-weather-whitehouse-idUSKBN2AI2NG

    If any weather event can be put down to climate change, it makes the theory unfalsifiable, therefore unscientific.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2021 7:24 pm

    There’s smoke coming out of your roof … someone walks by … “that’s likely a fire” … nah that’s just a theory and therefore unfalsifiable (yep ’tis a word) … therefore unscientific …

    Science begins with a theory and then attempts by peer review to prove or disprove that theory … sometimes its too late and the house burns down … welcome to Armageddon … proven scenario in so many ways …

    China is going to attack Australia one day … that’s just a theory and therefore unfalsifiable … so why are SloMo & The Scumbags beefing up our military? It’s just a theory …

    Covid 19 was just a scientific theory and governments were warned it would come … but it was just a scientific theory … and it came … we were prepared

    Why do people believe politicians and Pete Evans … but argue with scientists … who can prove their theories …

    Climate Change is here, now …

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2021 7:25 pm

    Hope for the best AND prepare for the worst …

  7. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 20, 2021 1:09 pm

    “Science begins with a theory and then attempts by peer review to prove or disprove that theory”

    It is bad enough, TB, that you are apparently unable to write coherent sentences and instead restrict yourself to the grumbling mumbling style of written expression.

    Worse is that you write as though you don’t know what you are talking about. On this occasion you clearly don’t understand the scientific process or the role of peer review in it.

    Peer review is the review of a new paper by scientists (usually with experience in the subjects discussed in the paper) with a view to confirming that the paper is of sufficient standard to be published.

    Peer review does not involve any further scientific work such as experimental work or the acquisition of new data sets. It is a comparison of the paper with other work already done in the field. Usually the paper is published after the reviewers are happy that the paper is of sufficient standard to be published.

    Once the paper is published other scientists will often test the conclusions of the paper by doing experiments or other scientific work. However, they do not “prove or disprove” a theory.

    Further, you seem not to understand the asymmetry of proof and disproof. A theory is never proven. It may be disproven by a single observation or experiment. Take the theory that all swans are white. This theory remained viable with every further observation of white swans. Yet any number of such observations did not prove the theory – it was never proven. Yet it was disproven by the first observation of black swans. Einstein put it this way:

    The scientific theorist is not to be envied. For Nature, or more precisely experiment, is an inexorable and not very friendly judge of his work. It never says “Yes” to a theory. In the most favorable cases it says “Maybe”, and in the great majority of cases simply “No”. If an experiment agrees with a theory it means for the latter “Maybe”, and if it does not agree it means “No”. Probably every theory will someday experience its “No” – most theories, soon after conception

    If you start reading in the field of the history and philosophy of science you will soon enough meet Sir Karl Popper who put it this way:

    Logically, no number of positive outcomes at the level of experimental testing can confirm a scientific theory, but a single counterexample is logically decisive; it shows the theory, from which the implication is derived, to be false. To say that a given statement (e.g., the statement of a law of some scientific theory)—call it “T”—is “falsifiable” does not mean that “T” is false. Rather, it means that, if “T” is false, then (in principle), “T” could be shown to be false, by observation or by experiment. Popper’s account of the logical asymmetry between verification and falsifiability lies at the heart of his philosophy of science. It also inspired him to take falsifiability as his criterion of demarcation between what is, and is not, genuinely scientific: a theory should be considered scientific if, and only if, it is falsifiable. This led him to attack the claims of both psychoanalysis and contemporary Marxism to scientific status, on the basis that their theories are not falsifiable.

    I emphasised the words in bold as your remark “that’s just a theory and therefore unfalsifiable” indicates more confused thinking on your part. the fact that something is a theory does not mean that it is unfalsifiable. Rather, scientific theories are falsifiable and those theories which are not falsifiable are not scientific.

    I trust the forgoing has been of assistance to you.

  8. February 20, 2021 2:02 pm

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  9. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2021 3:34 pm

    I trust the forgoing has been of assistance to you.

    Don’t know … don’t care … don’t read rambling arrogant BS anymore …

  10. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 20, 2021 7:18 pm

    “don’t read rambling arrogant BS anymore”

    Oh, so you’re content to just write it then? 🙂

    How do you know something is BS if you haven’t read it?

    TB, I’m only trying to help you improve yourself. Knowing a few basic concepts about scientific method before you spout off on the topic might save you further embarrassment.

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2021 7:36 pm

    TB, I’m only trying to help you improve yourself.

    Duh!

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2021 7:38 pm

    Another Nasking …

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2021 9:04 am

    The business model of Facebook is to utilise the intellectual property of others without paying for it to encourage consumption of their product.
    It’s a huge business, without an ethical compass.
    Remember it allowed the live streaming of terrorism in Christchurch
    Facebook has created an unsatisfactory dependence and is misusing its monopoly power
    An ethical company would have given a couple of months notice of a pullout and allowed it’s customers to make alternative arrangements
    Disgraceful

  14. February 21, 2021 10:15 am

    At a press conference on 29 October 2011, CEO Alan Joyce announced the immediate and unprecedented grounding of all Australian domestic and international Qantas flights, effective 5pm.

    “An ethical company would have given a couple of months notice of a pullout and allowed it’s (sic) customers to make alternative arrangements.”

    Disgraceful.

  15. ivi permalink
    February 21, 2021 11:00 am

    (Another Nasking …

    And you know this, how?)

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2021 12:10 pm

    I don’t think Qantas had any plan to permanently stop providing a customer service.
    Entirely unlike bullying and unethical Facebook

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2021 12:29 pm

    I’m not allowed to discuss things I may have studied,ivi, but yep.

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2021 12:31 pm

    Entirely unlike bullying and unethical Facebook

    So why get so upset if they’re unethical? Just go to the library … its open now … I just checked for you … 😉

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2021 4:01 pm

    Its just the weather – the house won’t burn down … and certainly nothing to do with climate change … that theory has yet to be proven(?) …

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/american-sports/insane-photo-of-nhl-outdoors-meltdown-stuns-sporting-world/news-story/ce604c3e3fe28dbea440fa7692dbd89c

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2021 8:15 pm

    Scott Morrison has indicated that he has reprimanded his staff for not bringing a former government staffer’s rape allegations to his attention as soon as a reporter submitted questions earlier this month.

    Yep, Scotty, avoid obstruction of justice at all costs … I’ve seen a few managers try this …

    The prime minister has also taken umbrage at a major business group’s comments about a pervasive “culture of disrespect” in politics, with Morrison responding that “if any workplace thinks that this is just confined to the parliament, they’re kidding themselves”.

    And yet nobody told the prime minister, and his evidence is that he didn’t know about this story until we published it at 8am last Monday,” Maiden told the ABC’s Insiders program.

    SoMorrison is incompetent because he DIDN’T know … or he’s incompetent because he did know … and tried to dodge the bullet …

    In business he would be “asked” to resign …

    But we know the Liberal – wiggle like a worm – approach to serious crime …

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2021 8:17 pm

    Reynolds … still a Minister

    Cash .. STILL???? a Minister

    Robber Baron mentality …

  22. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2021 6:15 am

    The business model of murdochis to utilise the suffering of others without paying for it to encourage consumption of their product.
    It’s a huge business, without an ethical compass.
    Remember it allowed the live streaming of terrorism in Christchurch
    murdoch has created an unsatisfactory dependence and is misusing its monopoly power
    An ethical company would not have hacked a dead girls phone!!!!! (There is a big list here, we’ll stick with one for now)
    Disgraceful

    (btw, facebook have said from the moment this was announced that they would ban news if the policy passed. It passed.

  23. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 22, 2021 7:29 am

    “I’m not allowed to discuss things I may have studied”

    What is stopping you?

  24. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2021 8:18 am

    If any weather event can be put down to climate change, it makes the theory unfalsifiable, therefore unscientific.

    Who said “any”. It was specific to ‘extreme’ ones like we are seeing atm?

    Making up shit is the peak of ‘unscientific’

  25. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2021 8:43 am

    Apparently there are now three girls who have been attacked by the protected liberal

  26. February 22, 2021 10:22 am

    She’s gonna need a bigger whiteboard.

  27. ivi permalink
    February 22, 2021 10:26 am

    (Making up shit is the peak of ‘unscientific’

    Eh? Strawpersons are(n’t) REAL!? In any event, every weather event VERY LIKELY is related to climate (change), and vice versa; and (im)precisely how/why is LIKELY (un)falsifiable; but, ya know, that’s likely the difference between doing climate and weather science(s) – as a climatologist and meteorologist (and presumably Biden has access to, and advice from, a few of those, at dedicated expert agencies, like NASA and NOAA, when communicating, erm, the (current, prevailing) science about (the statistical (in)significance(s)) of supra-Arctic stratospheric heating(s) and extra-Arctic polar vortex drift(s)) and/or weather-readiness(es) in a (fore)seeably climate-changing world – and select bouts of ‘contrarian’ (pseudo-)logic/rhetoric for/from the ‘Heartland’, I guess.)

  28. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2021 10:33 am

    from the ‘Heartland’

    🙂

    or something like that …

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2021 10:53 am

    34C today in Brissy … “normal” 25C

    Climate change is not about one event … but combined they create a pretty telling picture (according to most climatologists) and 1C may not sound much … but

    Bit like managers who say … “but we haven’t had an accident in ten years on this machine” and refuse to spend the money to guard the machine … then the phone call comes … you can guess the rest.

    It may already be too late to pay for the climate change guards

  30. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2021 11:33 am

    Exactly, it’s not about ‘journalism’, it’s about the next election.

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2021 11:37 am

    What is stopping you?

    Cynical self control 😛 oops … 🤣

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2021 11:42 am

    Whoops!

    I suppose whoops is more appropriate than oops under the circumstances … 😉

  33. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2021 1:11 pm

    I suppose whoops is more appropriate than oops under the circumstances

    Whoops pretty much sums up this grubmint. How they are still at 50 50 is beyond me (ok, not beyond, I has ideas 😉 )

  34. ivi permalink
    February 22, 2021 1:43 pm

    (ok, not beyond, I has ideas

    I’d possibly have (no) idea(s), too, if F Troupe Airlines hadn’t (un(ethically) either proscribed all flights or mysteriously cancelled a prescribed (diversionary) flightpath (over a Canberra Bubble battlezone.))

  35. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 22, 2021 1:55 pm

    Cynical self control 😛 oops … 🤣

    Better keep the cynicism to yourself, then. I’m happy for you that you find yourself so funny.

    OTOH, if you have a logical argument, let’s hear it. Maybe you can tell us why theories are necessarily unfalsifiable.

  36. Tony permalink
    February 22, 2021 3:04 pm

    Kevni will not be happy. (No paywall on this article.😂)

    Former prime minister Kevin Rudd’s campaign for a royal commission into media diversity has failed, with the federal government formally recommending that the inquiry should not proceed.

    On Sunday, Labor communications spokeswoman Michelle Rowland reiterated the ALP’s position that a royal commission into media diversity in Australia was unnecessary.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/kevin-rudd-falls-short-in-bid-for-royal-commission-into-media-diversity/news-story/5c7482d49928bfe4831b35827278f047

  37. Tony permalink
    February 22, 2021 3:09 pm

    Whoo … Ooo … WOopsie. Looks like there is a paywall, but not via the link in this tweet, apparently.

  38. Tony permalink
    February 22, 2021 3:22 pm

    Dunno about youse, but I wince every time a talking head calls the vaccine “The Jab”. Which happens, without exaggeration, around eleventy bajillion times per day. So I’ve been wincing a lot lately.

  39. February 22, 2021 3:28 pm

    “Jab” I think, is a UK term ToSY… It’s been appropriated by ProMo because he’s incapable of original thought.

    On another note, I see a fourth woman has come forward with allegations of inappropriate sexual conduct against that Liberal staffer.

    Why hasn’t Dan Andrews resigned already…??!!

  40. Tony permalink
    February 22, 2021 3:36 pm

    Thanks Reb, looks like you’re correct. Scottish, so your mob are responsible.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/feb/04/why-do-we-call-vaccinations-jabs

  41. February 22, 2021 6:49 pm

    LOL…! 😆

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2021 7:24 pm

    Students from Scots College, Cranbrook, Sydney Grammar, Waverley College, Kambala, Kincoppal-Rose Bay, Monte Sant Angelo and Pymble Ladies’ College are repeatedly mentioned in the testimonies.

    And Australian taxpayers blithely “support” these “christian education centres”

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/22/viral-petition-against-student-sexual-assault-a-wake-up-call-sydney-private-school-principals-say

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2021 7:36 pm

    Better keep the cynicism to yourself, then. I’m happy for you that you find yourself so funny.

    OTOH, if you have a logical argument, let’s hear it. Maybe you can tell us why theories are necessarily unfalsifiable.

    Oh, ToM oops, spambum …

    You obviously don’t understand that cynicism is best shared cold …

    Me, funny I can’t remember a punch line …

    OHTH, if you have “legitimate” argument, let’s hear it. Waiting ….

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2021 7:37 pm

    federal government formally recommending that the inquiry should not proceed.

    Supporting Rudd’s case …

    Surprize, surprize, surprize!

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2021 7:39 pm

    Thanks Reb, looks like you’re correct. Scottish, so your mob are responsible.

    Those hairy bastards in skirts are responsible for so much over the centuries …

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2021 7:40 pm

    I grew up with, The Needle! (a few miles south of the Jab!)

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2021 7:44 pm

    Always remember standing in line for the jab(s) in the army … as the giants fainted … and then … jab … “you’ve got two minutes to get to your bunk … ” 2 fkn minutes! I was there in about 30 seconds! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz😎 Fkn hero!!!!! 🙄

  48. February 22, 2021 10:13 pm

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  49. Tony permalink
    February 22, 2021 11:38 pm

    Look, I understand, when writing or speaking, it’s much more elegant if one doesn’t repeat the same word in a sentence or paragraph if you can find an alternative. That’s why, presumably, these ‘reporters’ are using “the jab”, usually after they’ve already said ‘vaccine’ or ‘vaccination’. But literally none of them are using the terms normally associated with the administration of medicine via syringe: ‘shot’ or ‘needle’, even ‘dose’ would do. But no, they all want to utilise the previously unfamiliar – and extremely grating – ‘jab’. It’s almost as if there’s no original thinkers among them, with some kind of herd mentality going on. Or, what’s that other thing? Oh yeah, groupthink!

  50. Tony permalink
    February 22, 2021 11:53 pm

    These jabs must be confused.

  51. Tony permalink
    February 23, 2021 12:33 am

    How about ‘injection’. Or inoculation.

  52. ivi permalink
    February 23, 2021 12:41 am

    (The (un)usual term, perhaps, is ‘(intramuscular) injection‘.)

  53. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2021 9:31 am

  54. February 23, 2021 9:40 am

    Personally I would say ‘shot’ as in ‘flu shot’ or vaccine if I wanted to make it sound a bit more fancy.

    But no, I would not say ‘jab’.

    Have you heard that ‘jag’ is also a thing, ToSY….?

    Imagine how much that would mess with your head if it became the common term.

    “Have you had yer JAG yet…?? Have ya…? HAVE YA…???!!!

  55. Back In Some Form`Teabag permalink
    February 23, 2021 10:24 am

    I Love how the teabags start fights that have already happened in the past. Yankee network cbs? l think, had a big dummy spit at youtoob before it was swallowed by goggle. All it did was dump cbs links, and give more page views to their competition. At the end cbs then decided to stick its letterman clips back up coz ‘Leno’ was getting a boost in the ratings. l`m so very glad SloMo took the all fours position (helped by the dishwaters) and is getting arse-Zucked (-: .. MediaNerd jeff jarvis has voiced how l see slomo (and rupe) going down on facebook.`

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2021 10:25 am

    This rollout of the “jab” is discriminatory, why should the elderly and frail get it before healthy and youthful types (eg me)?
    There are laws against discrimination on the basis of age and impairment.
    I’m off to see a lawyer, then some human rights bureaucracy, does anyone care to join me?
    Is it Dan’s fault? I hope so!

  57. Back In Some Form`Teabag permalink
    February 23, 2021 10:31 am

    Is it Dan’s fault? I hope so! ” Is he insisting jet engines be serviced in kooyong again?

  58. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2021 10:35 am

    This rollout of the “jab” is discriminatory,

    It’s simply following the blueprint for successful re-election prospects. Which is apparently fine in this day and age.

  59. Back In Some Form`Teabag permalink
    February 23, 2021 10:38 am

    therefore unscientific ” That’s correct. The weather in the skyfairy belt is exactly how skyfairy says it should be. All they can do is keep warm by lining their deerstalkers with catering metal and reciting their prayers. We just hope skyfairy is listening.`

  60. Back In Some Form`Teabag permalink
    February 23, 2021 10:51 am

    (“Eh? Strawpersons are(n’t) REAL!? ” Hoo sayz there knot. They just keep burning all that corporate coal witch kood, hypothetically, melt enuff permafrost and cause a glacier to snap (off) and reduce a relatively new corporate power station to bubbling rubble. Hypothetically.)`

  61. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 23, 2021 11:13 am

    “OHTH, if you have “legitimate” argument, let’s hear it. Waiting ….”

    First you say you are not going to read my comment.

    Now you say you are “waiting”!

    It appears that you have a short attention span so I’ll summarise my arguments for you:

    Your statement: ““Science begins with a theory and then attempts by peer review to prove or disprove that theory” is wrong in two important aspects.

    First, you misunderstand the role of peer review which is to review papers before publication. Peer review does not involve any further scientific experimentation or data analysis which is the usual way science proceeds in order to falsify (or not) existing theories.

    Second, it is erroneous to speak of proving theories. Theories are never proved. However, they can be, and often are, disproved. See the quotes from Einstein and Popper in my original comment.

    Further, your statement “that’s just a theory and therefore unfalsifiable” is ridiculous. Theories aren’t inherently unfalsifiable.

  62. Back In Some Form`Teabag permalink
    February 23, 2021 11:14 am

    misusing its monopoly power ..” “.. An ethical company ..” Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-: Haw! (-:`

  63. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2021 11:17 am

    Any man who adopts a “don’t ask, don’t tell” position on sexual violence against women, as the Prime Minister has done, is an abject moral failure

    We all know he’s a moral failure, but nobody cares. Probably because most are moral failures themselves

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/whether-morrison-knew-or-not-he-is-an-abject-moral-failure-and-should-resign,14826#.YDRHPg5vnZo.twitter

  64. Tony permalink
    February 23, 2021 12:12 pm

    Imagine how much that would mess with your head if it became the common term.

    You’re right again. I would literally* lose my shit.

    *According to common usage, this doesn’t mean what it used to mean.

  65. Tony permalink
    February 23, 2021 12:16 pm

    as the Prime Minister has done, is an abject moral failure

    Can’t get him on a legal point, or even breaking some parliamentary rule? No worries! You can always roll out the moralising moralisers as a desperate last resort. After all, morals codes are flexible, so who’s to say which one you’re working from?

  66. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2021 12:16 pm

    *According to common usage, this doesn’t mean what it used to mean.

    Have I missed the update? What does it mean now?

  67. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 23, 2021 12:37 pm

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2021 12:51 pm

    Disney Warns Viewers That The Muppet Show Is From A Different Era When Comedy Was Culturally Acceptable

    Righto, reb! I’m waiting … 😁

  69. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2021 12:51 pm

    Can’t see the issue 😉

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2021 12:53 pm

    First you say you are not going to read my comment.

    Rambling BS are not comments …

    Now you say you are “waiting”!

    For something other than rambling BS …

    That’s as far as I got …

  71. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2021 12:58 pm

    Rambling BS are not comments …

    Have you forgotten where you are? 😉

  72. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2021 1:07 pm

    Carrot, meet stick

  73. ivi permalink
    February 23, 2021 1:26 pm

    (Shh; the wee jabberwockies will be perfectly galumphant.)

  74. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 23, 2021 2:19 pm

    “Rambling BS are not comments …

    What does that even mean? And why the plural verb?

    Sadly you are too much of a grouch to admit that you got your concepts muddled. If you had a respectable riposte I’d have heard it by now.

    So, again, here is the short version of your shortcomings:

    Your statement: “Science begins with a theory and then attempts by peer review to prove or disprove that theory” is wrong in two important aspects.

    First, you misunderstand the role of peer review which is to review papers before publication. Peer review does not involve any further scientific experimentation or data analysis which is the usual way science proceeds in order to falsify (or not) existing theories.

    Second, it is erroneous to speak of proving theories. Theories are never proved. However, they can be, and often are, disproved. See the quotes from Einstein and Popper in my original comment.

    Further, your statement “that’s just a theory and therefore unfalsifiable” is ridiculous. Theories aren’t inherently unfalsifiable.

    If you really want to pontificate about scientific method I recommend you read Alan Chalmers’ book What Is This Thing Called Science? It is a great introduction to the subject and may well save you further self-inflicted humiliation.

    You’re welcome.

  75. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 23, 2021 2:21 pm

  76. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2021 3:00 pm

    Jabberwockies a filum, not a bloody poem, and I won’t hear otherwise!

    (And it is also SCIENTIFIC proof peered positive of time travel

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2021 3:55 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/inside-the-terrifying-farright-militia-causing-chaos-in-the-us/news-story/d3f2f3c5760641663124913c3278b749

    Eventually they catch up …

    Who said a Civil War was impossible?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Have you forgotten where you are? aw, no … I’s jus’ a teasin’ folks … 😆

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2021 4:20 pm

    Let’s put this shit to bed …

    Further, your statement “that’s just a theory and therefore unfalsifiable” is ridiculous. Theories aren’t inherently unfalsifiable.

    Read this – in context – slowly …

    China is going to attack Australia one day … that’s just a theory and therefore unfalsifiable … so why are SloMo & The Scumbags beefing up our military? It’s just a theory

    Get the sarc, yet …

    Decisions are made based on theories every hour … some work some don’t …

    And Stephen Hawking had more than one of his theories disproved … er falsified and unfalsified … 🙂

    However, The Nasking Syndrome, lots of textbook cut and pastes … bore the dhit out of me (and I’m sure others here) …

  79. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 23, 2021 4:55 pm

    Get the sarc, yet …

    Not really. Sarc doesn’t always communicate well in print.

    Reading “in context”, I think it is just word salad. JabberWocky makes more sense.

    I get that you think Morrison is motivated by some unfounded concern about China and is increasing military expenditure. I really don’t care much about this issue. After the $50bn flushed down the crapper to save the mincing poodle’s prolapsed arse I’ve given up on the Libs. The Libs only exist to enrich their mates and the lobbyists who control the party.

    “The Nasking Syndrome, lots of textbook cut and pastes … bore the dhit out of me”

    Why bother trying to explain scientific method if you are going to get the basics wrong? (Which you still can’t admit.) Was that just ‘sarc’ as well?

    I think the history and philosophy of science is a most interesting discipline. You should try it. The Chalmers book is a good introduction.

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2021 5:49 pm

    For context … in the beginning …

    Tony permalink
    February 19, 2021 5:57 pm

    “White House says Texas winter storm likely due to climate change”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-weather-whitehouse-idUSKBN2AI2NG

    If any weather event can be put down to climate change, it makes the theory unfalsifiable, therefore unscientific.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

    My “attempts” at analogies were obviously umfalsifiable …

  81. Tony permalink
    February 23, 2021 5:57 pm

    Oh no! Melbourne’s now hot a flesh-eating bug. Thanks Dan!

  82. Tony permalink
    February 23, 2021 5:57 pm

    *got

  83. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2021 6:15 pm

    “””””””””””””After the $50bn flushed down the crapper to save the mincing poodle’s prolapsed arse I’ve given up on the Libs. “””””””””””””

    Be interesting to know whose decision it was to but the French subs and would the decision be different if Abbott was PM.

    But the subs were always going to be built in SA.I doubt it had anything to do with saving a govt seat.

    But i suspect since 2007 the Public Service has been running the country. I am not sure how govt works but i guess the PS gives the govt a range of policy options and the govt of the day makes the final choice.

    So i am guessing since 2007 the PS tells the govt that a certain policy is the best option and the govt of the day goes along with it. From 1996-2007 Howard/Costello had more input i am guessing.

  84. Tony permalink
    February 23, 2021 6:20 pm

    I am not sure how govt works

    Put it this way, Neil: Yes Minister isn’t satire, it’s a guide book.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/fe329b28-69fa-11e6-a0b1-d87a9fea034f

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2021 6:35 pm

    So Facebook has surrendered
    Good

  86. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2021 6:41 pm

    Tony

    Your links works if you cut and paste but not if u click on it. Not sure why. It is a complicated world these days.

    But i admit i would not like to be in govt. It is a difficult job. But all this govt spending is driving my conservative body around the bend. We have not run a surplus budget since 2007 with lots more to come. Those people who believe govt debt is not a problem are about to find out if their beliefs are true

  87. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2021 7:09 pm

    Tony

    Thanks for the link. Managed to make it work if i cut and pasted it.

    But i would not like to be a politician. They take the heat for a bad Public Service program. Did not watch Yes Minister but have heard a lot about it

    The comments section was interesting. Someone provided this quote from the series

    “””””””””””Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last 500 years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now, when it’s worked so well?”””””””””””””””””

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2021 7:14 pm

    But i suspect since 2007 the Public Service has been running the country.

    Thank christ for that … ’cause no-one is …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Put it this way, Neil: Yes Minister isn’t satire, it’s a guide book.

    Struggling to write this … LOL! … 🤣🤣🤣

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So Facebook has surrendered
    Good

    Cancelled yer library card yet?

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2021 7:19 pm

    Kneel, its not all about the economy … people are more important than any deficit …

    https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/brittany-higgins-liberal-party-scramble-after-deleting-disgusting-facebook-comments/news-story/45c7b4103dab255bcc83e0986e656bbe

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2021 7:29 pm

    According to the Liberal Party’s Facebook policy, it “provides a platform for the public to engage on topical issues and stay up to date with the Federal Liberal Team”.

    “Comments, links, videos and images that are posted by others on the page do not necessarily represent the views of the Liberal Party or its Members,” the policy states.

    “We provide a variety of content and commentary on Facebook to encourage participation with the Liberal Party and our Members of Parliament. It is expected that this will be done in a respectful manner and will not indulge in personal attacks.”

    It adds that comments will be deleted if they “do not contribute positively to the debate” or “are deemed inappropriate” – yet the comments against Ms Higgins were on the Party’s page for at least 24 hours.

    Asked by news.com.au how this could occur, the spokesperson said: “We understand that social media is a 24/7 medium.”

    “However, our moderation capabilities are not,” they added. “While we monitor this Page closely, there may be some delay in removing inappropriate comments.”

    24 HOURS Just when do people start work at the National Liberal Party? A business* that big in Australia are open – for business – 24/7

    The Federal Government prove hourly just how incompetent they really are … thank goodness for the PS …

    *do not tell me the LNP is not a business – dodgy deal business but a “business” …

  91. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2021 8:21 am

    Who said a Civil War was impossible?

    People who didn’t like the result 😉

    I get that you think Morrison is motivated by some unfounded concern about China and is increasing military expenditure.

    C’mon, NOBODY thinks that’s why morrison is doing it. There is nothing he does that isn’t purely political

    *got

    Sounded kinda cool with the typo 😉

    So Facebook has surrendered

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    Yep, all it took was for the grubmint to back down, and then facebook did ROFL

    On the upside, Facebook have now shown the world, “don’t fuck with us”. Nice work team Oz

    The Federal Government prove hourly just how incompetent they really are

    Yep, Trydenburg announces on twitter he’s had ‘good’ talks with Zuckerberg. Half an hour later, Facebook cut the feed. The government make sweeping changes to the legislation, and Facebook resume services. The media (who were the prospective recipients of the libs now failed policy) claim facebook ‘backed down’. Minions agree. What a clusterfuck this has all been lol

  92. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2021 8:43 am

    “If any weather event can be put down to climate change, it makes the theory unfalsifiable, therefore unscientific.”

    There are plenty of idiots who point to specific extreme hot-weather events as evidence of climate change. When someone points out an extreme cold-weather event the idiots say those events also are evidence of climate change. If you are deeply stupid and don’t understand scientific method then that mode of argument probably appeals to you.

    The proper way to asses whether we are witnessing climate change is to look at the global temperature over time.

    However, the theory of anthropogenic global climate change is falsifiable and therefore qualifies as a scientific theory.

    For example climate models have, for the last 30 odd years, made predictions about future global temperatures. By and large these models have overestimated future temperature.

    These failures of the theory are not terminal. However, they require further research and, in the case of the models, a readjustment. Perhaps some models have overestimated the feedback effect of particular forcings.

  93. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2021 8:48 am

    If you are deeply stupid and don’t understand scientific method then that mode of argument probably appeals to you

    You understand that it is the scientists, the actual practitioners OF the scientific method, who you are essentially calling ‘deeply stupid’ here, don’t you?

  94. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2021 8:58 am

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2021 9:25 am

    CONTINUED

    For those who need to catch up, our understanding is that the (latest) conversation between the Treasurer and Marke Zuckerberg from Facebook went something like this…

    Oz Govt: “Facebook, we have no intention of changing our fundamental position about payment for content you have appropriated to increase consumption of your product”

    FB: “Oh ok, we’ve decided we’re now fine with that.”

    Oz Govt: ” …”

    FB: “sorry for that little tantrum, is it ok if we come back?”

  96. Tony permalink
    February 24, 2021 9:37 am

    Scientists have landed a Spacecraft on an area half the size of a basketball court, on a planet 40 million miles away, that rotates on its axis at 800 mph per second.

    So do I listen to them or MAGACOQK69 on climate change?

    They’re probably more engineers than scientists. Nevertheless, let’s see if this argument holds up:
    Scientists have landed a vehicle on Mars; for this reason scientists in other fields should not be questioned.

    Put another way: A group of rocket scientists were correct, therefore climate scientists must also be correct. Because they are all scientists.

    It makes no logical sense.

  97. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2021 9:40 am

    For those who need to catch up .. read the experts 😉

    “Another amendment notes that the government should take into account whether a tech company has already reached commercial agreements with the Australian news industry. The NYT notes that this opens the door to Facebook and Google to avoid the most feared aspects of the bargaining code by signing more media to their respective Facebook News and Google News Showcase products.”

    https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/23/22296778/facebook-ends-australian-news-ban-bargaining-code-google

    Of course, when two evil entities collide, the outcome is not always good for everyone else. 😦

  98. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2021 9:42 am

    for this reason scientists in other fields should not be questioned.

    Two points
    First, which other scientists?
    Secondly LINK!

  99. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2021 9:48 am

    “You understand that it is the scientists, the actual practitioners OF the scientific method, who you are essentially calling ‘deeply stupid’ here, don’t you?”

    Taking any weather event, whether an extreme of hot or cold, as evidence of climate change is irrational. I suggested that, since the theory was about global climate rather than local weather events, that form of argument was irrational. We are more likely to hear that argument from politicised hacks like Al Gore or Tim Flannery. Occasionally so-called scientists start making dire predictions which, more often than not, are falsified when they don’t come true. This sort of climate porn is not science regardless of who says it.

  100. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2021 9:52 am

    Taking any weather event, whether an extreme of hot or cold, as evidence of climate change is irrational.

    Who took ‘any’ weather event ffs?

  101. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2021 9:59 am

    “Run away, runaway

    That rabbit’s DYNAMITE!”

  102. Tony permalink
    February 24, 2021 10:09 am

    Two points
    First, which other scientists?

    In the case of the tweet you posted, so presumably agreed with: climate scientists.

    Secondly LINK!

    You shouldn’t need a LINK! to understand logic. Here I’ll put it another way for you. Let’s flip NYinLA2021’s argument around:

    Scientists have failed to successfully deploy space shuttle Challenger which broke apart 73 seconds after launch, killing all seven astronauts on board.

    What does this say about other scientists, particularly climate scientists?
    Of course the answer, in both cases, is: nothing.

  103. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2021 10:25 am

    In the case of the tweet you posted, so presumably agreed with: climate scientists.

    NASA have a wide variety of scientists, including rocket 😉

    The Link was in reference to, who said “scientists in other fields should not be questioned.”?

    The tweet merely posited the question “wtte ” should I listen to scientists who can achieve great things, or a random nut on the internet?”

  104. Tony permalink
    February 24, 2021 10:34 am

    The Link was in reference to, who said “scientists in other fields should not be questioned.”?

    Don’t know if you’re being deliberately obtuse, but it was me paraphrasing. There were no inverted commas (quotation marks) in that sentence. There’s your clue.

  105. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2021 10:40 am

    but it was me paraphrasing.

    so …. making shit up 😉 gotcha

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2021 10:47 am

    I see a pattern here, TR

    Wait till Craig Kelly and Pete Evans turn up …

  107. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2021 10:48 am

    Wait till Craig Kelly and Pete Evans turn up …

    Who’s to say they haven’t already ……. ? 🙂

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2021 10:56 am

    LOL!

    And in News of the Civil War

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/23/senate-capitol-riot-hearing-testimony

  109. February 24, 2021 10:56 am

    “Health Minister Greg Hunt told reporters at Parliament House that Ms Reynolds had taken the leave reluctantly.

    “Linda was desperate to appear before the National Press Club today, desperate to appear,” he said.

    “It was only on the strongest medical advice that she took the reluctant decision not to do it.”

    “Desperate”

    “Reluctant”

    JFC, she knew she was going to be eaten alive so she bailed.

    I hope she’s got a medical certificate.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-24/linda-reynolds-hospital-cardiologist-leave-brittany-higgins/13186452

  110. Tony permalink
    February 24, 2021 10:57 am

    so …. making shit up 😉 gotcha

    Um, no. In your terms, they were “wtte”. I was breaking down his “argument” to its essence, three different ways so far. But, as usual, you are just evading. Unsurprisingly.🙄

  111. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2021 12:26 pm

    I was breaking down his “argument” to its essence,

    Can you perhaps indicate where he implied ‘other scientists’?

    I hope she’s got a medical certificate.

    Yea right, what is she, a bloody dole bludger

  112. Tony permalink
    February 24, 2021 1:06 pm

    Linda Reynolds has been taken to hospital, apparently. She would have needed such an elaborate scheme to avoid the terrifying inquisition of the fearsome Canberra press gallery.

  113. February 24, 2021 2:25 pm

    “Linda Reynolds has been taken to hospital, apparently”

    Indeed, as a “precautionary measure” no less.

  114. February 24, 2021 2:27 pm

    A little reminder that Senator Linda Reynolds went missing during the last bushfires, choosing to dial in her sympathies from Bali instead.

  115. February 24, 2021 4:59 pm

    Greg Hunt and Richard Colbeck have confirmed the doctor involved in the vaccine overdose in Queensland had not completed the actual training.

    WTAF…??

  116. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2021 9:54 pm

    WTAF…??

    Why are you surprised? They simply lied, In Parliament, Again.

    It’s just another day at the orifice for our grubmint 😦

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2021 11:05 pm

    Pheeeeeeew … another day and another more stuff ups and BS from the Libereal Party … Xi Ping and Putin must be peeing their pants!

    The pigeons always come home to roost, I guess …

    And then ………………..

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/24/climate-crisis-bigger-concern-than-pandemic-for-australian-businesses-survey-finds

    If ya do nowt, nowt’ll happen … ‘cept trouble a’ mill!

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2021 11:12 pm

    So just where did JobKeeper funds end up? Obviously not with employees!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/24/car-dealer-ap-eagers-to-give-shareholders-64m-in-dividends-after-receiving-130m-in-jobkeeper-subsidies

    Robber Barons at work ….

  119. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2021 8:16 am

    So just where did JobKeeper funds end up?

    With the same people they just threw another bone at in the form of #DobSeeker

    Of course, that’ll be Labors fault, it ALWAYS is

    https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/liberal-senator-blames-labor-for-linda-reynolds-health-emergency/news-story/c409012399899e7cfa4cac580c638c07

  120. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2021 8:49 am

  121. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 25, 2021 9:00 am

    This makes no sense:

  122. Tony permalink
    February 25, 2021 9:22 am

    The same company that overdosed rhe vaccine in Queensland, oversees hotel quarantine in Victoria. Thanks Dan.

  123. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2021 9:45 am

    Thanks Dan.

    How DARE Dan make the Federal Government use the company he was forced to because the Federal Government LIED about quarantine security

    BLOODY DAN!

  124. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2021 9:53 am

  125. February 25, 2021 10:48 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  126. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2021 11:06 am

    We are trying to imagine a circumstance in which that would be appropriate.

    If the Dr did speak to him, they should be struck off. Else, we should ask our pm to stop lying.

    And the pm in waiting is even worst 😦

    It should not need to be said, but there is no need for “she said/he said” when referring to allegations of sexual assault.

    You don’t hear “he said/he said” in any context. You don’t hear any version of that phrase used in relation to any other allegations other than violence against women.

    There is no need to include it. You can say you don’t know the details of the allegation.

    There is no reason to add in the very particular phrase of “she said/he said” in explaining that. It’s a phrase which is designed to cast doubt over who should be believed.

    It’s a phrase which makes the allegation seem almost impossible to prove either way. It’s a dog-whistle.

    It’s part of the reason women don’t come forward, because every time you hear he said/she said, it just reinforces “Who will believe me?”

    And a former cop should know that.

    Stop saying it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2021/feb/25/australian-politics-live-scott-morrison-peter-dutton-afp-brittany-higgins-vaccine-rollout-health-business-economy-jobseeker?page=with:block-6036e43e8f088c613add1cbe#block-6036e43e8f088c613add1cbe

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2021 12:00 pm

    Do potato’s have brain’s?

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2021 12:12 pm

    Back on topic… how embarrassing is it for Facebook to have to make a humiliating retreat after acting like a petulant bully? And so quickly! I thought they were gone for good!

  129. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2021 1:25 pm

    how embarrassing is it for Facebook to have to make a humiliating retreat after acting like a petulant bully?

    Yes, I mean, if the grubmint had made concessions for them or something, they may have achieved something they wanted ………. [facepalm]

  130. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2021 1:28 pm

    Do potato’s have brain’s?

    Apparently, if you stick enough prongs in ’em, they can become some sort of battery

  131. Tony permalink
    February 25, 2021 1:47 pm

    Do potato’s have brain’s?

    Depend’s how many apostrophe’s one use’s.

  132. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2021 1:51 pm

    ””””””””””””””””””””””””’

    Im super smart’s 🙂

  133. February 25, 2021 2:10 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  134. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2021 2:19 pm

    Are we able to refer to it as the ‘vaccine rollout bungle’ yet?

  135. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2021 4:00 pm

    if the grubmint had made concessions for them or something

    Yeah! Here’s the update!
    ———————-
    Everything you need to know about the Australian Govt’s battle with Facebook! CONTINUED

    FB: “Can you please help us find a less embarrassing way for us to surrender?”

    Oz Govt: “….”

    FB: “Isn’t there some small change you could make?.”

    Oz Govt: “Ok, we will publish the Code in Times New Roman font instead of Arial”

    FB: “OK that’s great! We have a deal!”

  136. February 25, 2021 4:20 pm

    Maybe we can ask YoM to Yomsplain it to us…

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  137. February 25, 2021 4:32 pm

    Everything you need to know about the Australian Govt’s battle with Facebook! CONTINUED

    Oz Govt: “We didn’t realise you’d stop promoting free links to our benefactor’s crappy news websites”

    FB: “…”

    Oz Govt: “Can you please help us find a less embarrassing way for us to surrender?”

    FB: “How about instead of forcing us to pay, we’ll just have a chat about it instead.”

    Oz Govt: “We’re not sure if our boss Rupert will really go for that..”

    FB: “Take it or leave it.”

    Oz Govt: “It’s a deal…!!”

    FB: “By the way, if you pull that stunt again, we’ll turn off all your news media again.”

    Oz Govt: “No worries!”

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2021 5:01 pm

    Depend’s how many apostrophe’s one use’s.

    Why thank you, ToSY, one is so amused and, of course, one shall be much more careful in future … but do tell me ..

    Do potatoes have brains?

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2021 5:05 pm

    Oz Govt: “No worries!”

    Rupert must have given them the go-ahead …

    A’nothe’r ques’tion … wh’y is t’he A’ustralia’n g’over’nmen’t c’olle’cting re’ven’ue for a rich old American tnuc, anyway’s?

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2021 5:09 pm

    Are we able to refer to it as the ‘vaccine rollout bungle’ yet?

    Seems the Libs can’t pin this one on Anastacia … BTW the Bungles are all in WA … 😛

  141. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2021 7:12 pm

    Here is a copy of the key change agreed between Facebook and the government

    “The parties agree to negotiate negotiate appropriate an payment”

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2021 8:38 pm

    Why is the government working for Rupert et al?

    Isn’t it time they started collecting taxes from businesses raping Australia’s resources!

  143. Tony permalink
    February 25, 2021 9:07 pm

    What actually happened (preamble):

    FB: “Hey!”
    Oz Govt: “Hello.”
    FB: “Sup?”
    Oz Govt: “Not much.”
    FB: “What it is?”
    Oz Govt: “Good thanks.”
    FB: “Let’s ParLay!”
    Oz Govt: “All right.”
    FB: “Fuck yeah it is!”
    Oz Govt: “…”

  144. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2021 8:16 am

    What actually happened (preamble):

    sm: “I Know nuthin”
    AFP: “hey dutto, another one was raped”
    dut: “So?”
    AFP: “it’s a legitimate complaint, you need to tell sm”
    dut: “meh, it’s just He said, she said”
    AFP: “No. It’s not”
    sm: “I don’t need to know”
    AFP: “Yes you do”
    sm: “But I didn’t know”
    AFP: “Everyone knew”
    sm: “but nobody told me”
    AFP: “but you phone random tweeters who say something bad about you, you know everything?”
    sm: “I Know nuthin”
    voters: “Yea, right.”

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2021 9:29 am

    See anything wrong with this headline? From news.com.au

    Mr Potato Head now gender neutral

  146. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2021 10:57 am

    See anything wrong with this headline?

    They are attempting to destroy the Toy Story franchise!

    (Also, good to know that ‘Mr’ is now gender neutral) 😉

  147. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2021 1:08 pm

    “(Also, good to know that ‘Mr’ is now gender neutral) “

    I thought Hasbro dropped the “Mr” but it seems they got spooked, changed their mind and stuck with the same old binary nomenclature.

    Real potatoes are gender neutral. It is Hasbro’s dollar-driven anthropomorphism which has fucked things up. I prefer the natural look – this fine specimen is more reflective the fluid approach to gender of today.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvG0UKFVoAA7AiK?format=jpg

  148. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2021 1:31 pm

    It could happen to anyone – Captain Sillybones strikes again:

    “Maryland teacher’s aide seen masturbating during Zoom lesson with kids

    The 21-year employee for Montgomery County Public Schools – who also runs Pirate Magic, a business that throws “pirate parties” for youngsters while he portrays a character named “Captain Silly Bones” – said he has since been placed on administrative leave.

    But he insisted his actions were “just a mistake.”

    “I’m only human,” he continued. “It was my bad.”

    “I’m not a pervert or anything like that, you know,” he continued.

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 26, 2021 8:36 pm

    Blame Justin!!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93China_relations

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2021 8:37 pm

    Do people understand the significance of this decision?

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/crime-news/2021/02/26/samurai-sword-killing/

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2021 8:39 pm

    Blame Justin!!

    You seem to blame everyone … for everything

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 26, 2021 8:54 pm

    Blame Nguyễn Xuân Phúc!!

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Vietnam_relations

  153. February 28, 2021 6:20 pm

    Maybe we should all calm down, have a nice cup of tea, and wait to hear what clarity Jen can bring to this situation.

  154. Tom R permalink
    February 28, 2021 7:07 pm

    and wait to hear what clarity Jen can bring to this situation.

    “Let’s just go to the fucken beach!”

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 28, 2021 7:34 pm

    Yes, if only Jen could talk to Cath about Dan

  156. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 28, 2021 9:55 pm

    Good to see politicians getting vaccinated against the virus first. They can be the guinea pigs.

  157. Tom R permalink
    March 1, 2021 8:18 am

    They can be the guinea pigs.

    You mean, in addition to the millions of others around the world who had it months ago?

    Meanwhile ..
    Good to see #auspol always finds new ways to plumb new depths of depravity. Without the libs, we’d have always assumed that there was was a floor

  158. Tom R permalink
    March 1, 2021 8:57 am

    And insiders cops the flogging it deserves

    4 right wing nut cases ‘musing’ on Auntie. It really is trashed.

  159. ivi permalink
    March 1, 2021 11:04 am

    (Good to see politicians getting vaccinated against the virus first. They can be the guinea pigs.

    Psst; (non-voting) children, naturally, are the (un)phased) guinea pigs/sacrificial lambs: ‘Long COVID’ could be even more fun when there’s a long(er) lifespan within which to develop a mild awareness that (organ(s)-)tissue(s)-damaging, blood-brain-barrier-hopping viruses might have long(er)-term ‘epidemiological’ consequence(s): who knows? Scotty? Jen? The Girls?)

  160. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 1, 2021 1:11 pm

    The best the Democrats had, apparently:

  161. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 2, 2021 8:54 am

    “Tit tat tit tat …

    And the winner is?”

    Down at cretin central you win hands down, TB.

    ‘Look over there’ is not a rational argument. It is a childish response designed to distract from an issue you don’t want to discuss. I’ve schooled you in this before but you just don’t seem to get it.

    My comment made the point that President Biden is exhibiting signs of cognitive decline at the same time he is authorising military adventures in Syria.

    Your answer was about Donald Trump. That was not a logical response. It does not even attempt to address the serious issues I raised. In fact, that is the last thing you wanted to do. Perhaps you wanted to steer discussion away from cognitive decline for your own reasons.

  162. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2021 9:05 am

    Considering your previous support for trump, who some think is STILL prez (lolz), and his obvious decline over the years, I thought he was just highlighting the hypocrisy

    Speaking of ‘look over there’, I assume then you’d be pretty disappointed with libs raising the old Bill Shorten rape allegations again? Or is that one all cool?

  163. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2021 10:10 am

    Compare the pair

    https://www.theshovel.com.au/2021/03/02/christian-porter-stand-aside-after-allegedly-cartier-watches/

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2021 10:28 am

    Hey! Scotty from Marketing! Tell ya mate Rupert to stop flogging Chinese cars in Oz!

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/new-cars/mg-zs-ev-review-australias-cheapest-electric-car/news-story/24db88b278a1c8f4cf186123ef18701a

    And to the motoring writer who wrote this crap … electric vehicles (EV) do not have engines … they have motors …

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2021 10:31 am

    ‘Look over there’ is not a rational argument.

    It is for moronic BS …

    Write something rational and you may get a rational reply …

  166. Tony permalink
    March 2, 2021 10:45 am

    Hey! Scotty from Marketing! Tell ya mate Rupert to stop flogging Chinese cars in Oz!

    Why?

  167. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 2, 2021 11:02 am

    “Or is that one all cool?”

    That is definitely not cool. As you would be well aware I have not had a kind word for the Morrison government lately. I just call it as I see it these days. I try not to indulge in the childish tribalism you and TB seem to have fallen victim to.

  168. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2021 11:19 am

    where pointing out hyocrisy is ” childish tribalism” 😉

  169. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 2, 2021 11:22 am

    “It is for moronic BS …”

    It’s true TB – your habitual ‘look over there’ tactic is moronic BS.

    You should click on the link before replying, otherwise you end up making asinine replies as you did in this case. Had you clicked on the link the first thing you would have read was:

    President Joe Biden is credited with authorizing the deadly air strike that killed an estimated 22 Islamic militants in Syria on Thursday.

    The rocket attack vaporized three transport vehicles carrying live munitions. It was so impressive it reportedly made Kamala Harris jealous Russia’s president Vladimir Putin was told about it first.

    But one day later, it’s unclear that our new Commander-in-Chief can even speak intelligibly on the matter. Or on much of anything else. It is not what you want to see from a U.S. President.

    This raises a real question which should be of concern to all of us – should someone with obvious cognitive issues be authorising military strikes? If you didn’t want to engage then it might be better not to have commented at all. Sneeringly stupid ‘look over there’ comments merely evidence your childish tribalism and your inability or unwillingness to engage in discussion of a serious issue.

  170. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 2, 2021 11:28 am

    “where pointing out hypocrisy is ”childish tribalism”

    What hypocrisy? I made one statement. There was nothing hypocritical about it.

    I didn’t comment of the Trump speech as I don’t see what the rantings of a former president have to do with the cognitive decline of the sitting president. And you don’t even know what my view of the Trump speech is! That is a different discussion.

  171. ivi permalink
    March 2, 2021 11:51 am

    (Sneeringly stupid ‘look over there’ comments merely evidence your childish tribalism and your inability or unwillingness to engage in discussion of a serious issue.

    Could be?)

  172. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2021 11:53 am

    the rantings of a former president have to do with the cognitive decline of the sitting president.

    And as I pointed out, he was, until a few weeks ago, the president, and your silence about it then compared to now can only amount to what some describe as ” childish tribalism”

  173. ivi permalink
    March 2, 2021 1:09 pm

    (Deffo, itsaworry. aight.)

  174. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2021 1:24 pm

    Is it just me, or are fake ivi’s getting easier to pick? Like the latter one here?

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2021 1:29 pm

    Why?

    Because its the one Chinese manufacturing industry try to get off the ground … especially in Oz …

    Or is that too subtle?

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2021 1:33 pm

    Why?

    Because its the one Chinese manufacturing industry try to get off the ground … especially in Oz …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What hypocrisy? I made one statement. There was nothing hypocritical about it.

    Moronic BS … don’t forget to click the link 😎

    https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=saM9YMONHdbaz7sPy_uEyAI&iflsig=AINFCbYAAAAAYD2xwfapzxJjEDLe–YnUZG5Ny0bhdoN&q=Trump+fumbles+&oq=Trump+fumbles+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAw6CAgAELEDEIMBOgsILhCxAxDHARCjAjoOCC4QsQMQgwEQxwEQowI6CAguELEDEIMBOgUIABCxAzoCCAA6CwguELEDEIMBEJMCOgsIABCxAxCDARDJAzoFCAAQkgM6BQguELEDOgQIABAKOgQILhAKUOUNWNRNYIJcaAFwAHgBgAG7B4gBrBuSAQkwLjguNS42LTGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEA&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwiDqovYyJDvAhVW7XMBHcs9ASkQ4dUDCAw

    Or is that too subtle? :🥱

  177. Tony permalink
    March 2, 2021 2:59 pm

    Because its the one Chinese manufacturing industry try to get off the ground … especially in Oz …
    Or is that too subtle?

    Probably not subtle, just unclear.

  178. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 2, 2021 3:04 pm

    “Or is that too subtle?

    It is completely irrelevant.

  179. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2021 3:44 pm

    It is completely irrelevant.

    Must’ve hit the mark then TB 😉

  180. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 2, 2021 3:46 pm

    Or it is completely irrelevant.

  181. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2021 3:52 pm

    I’ll put it in words you’ll understand splats

    blah blah mutter mutter brrr ggrrr

  182. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 2, 2021 3:58 pm

    “blah blah mutter mutter brrr ggrrr”

    Yep, Tom R. I put up a point for discussion and that is the reply I got. That is all TB seems capable of at the moment.

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2021 4:23 pm

    Chuckle … @ TR …

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Probably not subtle, just unclear.

    Apologies, ToSY, the subtle remark not at you …

    Clarity, the MG is now a Chinese owned company trying to fly off Morris Group’s UK history … as I mentioned the Chinese car manufacturer are struggling to get their cars accepted here (struggling for good reason) … if China wants to play silly buggers with Australia’s industries – Chinese cars, all makes/models – should be boycotted not promoted …

    FYI Chinese marques now include … (not a complete list)

    https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/chinese-car-brands-explained-78349

  184. March 2, 2021 6:42 pm

    Apparently Christian Porter is giving a press conference tomorrow…

    “It wasn’t me.”

    “Nobody saw me do it.”

    “You can’t prove a thing.”

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2021 6:49 pm

    No, not Christian Porter?

  186. Tony permalink
    March 3, 2021 8:28 am

    Apologies, ToSY, the subtle remark not at you …

    No worries, I wasn’t bothered.

    Now let me see if I understand: You want Chinese vehicles “boycotted” for political reasons i.e. “China wants to play silly buggers with Australia’s industries”.

    If so, I have a couple more questions:

    Are you suggesting the government prohibits them, or do you mean a consumer boycott?

    Second question: Why cars, and not the multitude of other goods and services supplied by China?

  187. Tom R permalink
    March 3, 2021 8:39 am

    The ‘alleged’ buggerer of children is going to speak today.

    Lawyered up and ready to … deflect. Let’s see how low they go this time. One thing is for sure, Labor will be blamed. They always are 😉

  188. Tom R permalink
    March 3, 2021 8:48 am

    Of course, short of the (alleged) perp confessing, this will go nowhere. But it should.

  189. ivi permalink
    March 3, 2021 9:50 am

    (Eh? After a harrowing week, closing ranks behind the whiteboard, it’s nearly time, is it, to reveal the (re)produced (a)political (non-)solution to a ‘culture’ which, apparently, accepts/denies a prevalence of sexual assaults – in the nominative-normative form of a(n un)police(d)-process (almost-)purpose-designed to categorically (r)eject women’s own accounts of their own lived experiences?)

  190. Tom R permalink
    March 3, 2021 10:04 am

    (almost-)purpose-designed to categorically (r)eject women’s own accounts of their own lived experiences?)

    You mean like, talking over them?

  191. Know Women Problems Here`Teabag permalink
    March 3, 2021 10:34 am

    Just loving the further self inflicted teabag wreckage at the moment.

    Facebook has surrendered ” Doubt it. l reckon there is a big fat ticket-Tek style service fee for FB coming the legacy outlets way, or some other work around.`

  192. Tom R permalink
    March 3, 2021 11:10 am

    Small mercies

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    March 3, 2021 11:25 am

    Are you suggesting the government prohibits them, or do you mean a consumer boycott?

    No government – too much escalation … but most “consumers” are unaware that the cars they buy are actually Chinese …

    Second question: Why cars, and not the multitude of other goods and services supplied by China?

    1. Easier than lots of little cheap items many of which are in warehouses here anyway and could hurt Aussie businesses.

    2. Motor industry is the one industry China ‘wants” to expand …

    We could ban the export of iron and slow the building of warships … and bauxite slow the building of warplanes …

  194. Tom R permalink
    March 3, 2021 1:39 pm

    Motor industry is the one industry China ‘wants” to expand …

    Luckily for them, they have one less country to compete against 😦

  195. Tom R permalink
    March 3, 2021 1:50 pm

  196. Walrus permalink
    March 3, 2021 3:32 pm

    “Of course, short of the (alleged) perp confessing, this will go nowhere. But it should.”

    And why ?

    Your fucktard mate Bill Shorten denied everything once the police had finished investigating. Then everyone moved on.

    Same has now occurred

  197. Tom R permalink
    March 3, 2021 3:48 pm

    once the police had finished investigating

    There’s ya hint 😉

  198. Walrus permalink
    March 3, 2021 3:54 pm

    NSW Police have finished. Or don’t you read the news

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-02/nsw-police-close-investigation-into-historical-rape-allegation/13206372

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    March 3, 2021 10:19 pm

    Your fucktard mate Bill Shorten denied everything once the police had finished investigating. Then everyone moved on.

    I think your mate spumbum would argue that an habitual ‘look over there’ tactic is moronic BS 😏

    I also think proving a rape after 33 years with affidavits and statements is near impossible …

    Better to investigate the Higgins case, methinks …

  200. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 6:01 am

    NSW Police have finished.

    oh yea

  201. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 6:08 am

    Better to investigate the Higgins case, methinks …

    It is possible to walk and chew gum. There are ‘questions to be answered’.

    The biggest one for me is, the top lawyer in the land is sent a dossier accusing him of anal rape, and he, nor the PM, bother to read it (yet still deny the contents?)

    What kind of lawyer doesn’t read something like that. I mean, reading is pretty much their job.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/03/scott-morrison-must-call-an-independent-inquiry-into-the-christian-porter-allegation-its-the-only-valid-course

  202. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 4, 2021 8:59 am

    “I think your mate spumbum would argue that an habitual ‘look over there’ tactic is moronic BS”

    Agreed TB. No doubt you noticed that I agreed with that view (about bringing up Shorten) already at March 2, 2021 11:02 am above..

    And what is with the ‘spumbum’? Why, I am the sweetest sphincter you are ever likely rim!

  203. Tony permalink
    March 4, 2021 9:19 am

    The way ahead is obvious. Morrison should constitute an independent inquiry. It is the only valid course.

    Is it though? The police have decided there is “insufficient admissible evidence to proceed“.

    “Following the woman’s death, NSW Police came into possession of a personal document purportedly made by the woman previously. NSW Police have since sought legal advice in relation to these matters,” the police said.

    “Based on information provided to NSW Police, there is insufficient admissible evidence to proceed. As such, NSW Police Force has determined the matter is now closed.”

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/attorney-general-christian-porter-denies-alleged-historical-rape-20210302-p5777j.html

    So that’s the end of the formal/normal legal process. It’s finished.

    So what standard of evidence would any “independent inquiry” require to ‘decide’ this matter? Something less than our 900 year-old legal system requires, presumably. Hardly ideal, and not really the “obvious” “way ahead” ‘Murpharoo’ suggests.

  204. Walrus permalink
    March 4, 2021 9:31 am

    “So what standard of evidence would any “independent inquiry” require to ‘decide’ this matter?”

    It would be guilt or innocence on the balance of probabilities.

    You know……………………”the vibe”

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    March 4, 2021 9:34 am

    Is it though? The police have decided there is “insufficient admissible evidence to proceed“.

    I suspect that if a deeper investigation is not carried out, Porter’s career is over … if its not already …

    You can’t keep calling “the pub test” without putting it to bed for the whole bar (pun intended).

    Has there been a coronial enquiry into the woman’s death?

  206. Walrus permalink
    March 4, 2021 9:40 am

    Let’s take a look at the woman’s statement.

    She states the 1988 rape occurred after a night out at the Hard Rock Cafe in Sydney.

    Problem is the Hard Rock didn’t open until 1989

  207. Walrus permalink
    March 4, 2021 9:42 am

    Coronial Enquiry is ongoing in SA the state she died in. But that just covers her cause of death which Malcolm Turnbull believes was murder.

    Of course we should all listen to him

  208. Tony permalink
    March 4, 2021 9:45 am

    Turnbull believes was murder. Of course we should all listen to him

    At least he’s not bitter.

  209. Walrus permalink
    March 4, 2021 9:52 am

    LOL

  210. March 4, 2021 9:58 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  211. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 4, 2021 9:58 am

    Is there a particular reason that there would be some inquiry into Porter, but not Shorten?

  212. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 9:59 am

    The police have decided there is “insufficient admissible evidence to proceed“.

    Because the police failed to do their job. They did not once interview the woman, for months. This leaves massive question marks over their ‘investigation’. If you don’t even bother to talk to the complainant, you cannot in all honesty ‘close’ a thing.

    Now, the only path forward is an independent inquiry

    of course, porter can leave it as it is, with all the clouds over him.

  213. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 10:06 am

    Is there a particular reason that there would be some inquiry into Porter, but not Shorten?

    See above 😉

  214. Tony permalink
    March 4, 2021 10:10 am

    Because the police failed to do their job. They did not once interview the woman, for months. This leaves massive question marks over their ‘investigation’. If you don’t even bother to talk to the complainant, you cannot in all honesty ‘close’ a thing.

    Okay, I’ll play along. How would any independent inquiry redress that situation?

  215. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 4, 2021 10:25 am

    Oh, because you assert the police didn’t act as you wish it requires an inquiry.
    Is there anything with a little more credibility?

  216. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 10:31 am

    How would any independent inquiry redress that situation?

    Here’s a start 😉

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-22/former-high-court-judge-sexually-harrassed-several-associates/12381236

    because you assert the police didn’t act as you wish

    I know, it’s beyond the pale to expect police to actually talk to the complainant over a complaint. ffs

    But morrison, the proven liar, has said he believes porter, the proven liar. So all good.

  217. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 10:33 am

  218. Walrus permalink
    March 4, 2021 10:47 am

    There was a investigation…………….

    Statement from NSW Police Force

    “In November 2019, a woman then aged 48 attended an Adelaide police station seeking advice about reporting historical sexual offences, which allegedly occurred in 1988 in Sydney,” the NSW Police said in a statement.

    “The matter was then referred to the NSW Police Force and an investigation by the Child Abuse and Sex Crimes Squad commenced under Strike Force Wyndarra.

    “NSW Police Force has been the lead agency in respect to this investigation since February 2020.

    “For various reasons, the woman did not detail her allegations in a formal statement to NSW Police. The woman passed away in June 2020.

    “Following the woman’s death, NSW Police came into possession of a personal document purportedly made by the woman previously. NSW Police have since sought legal advice in relation to these matters.

    “Based on information provided to NSW Police, there is insufficient admissible evidence to proceed. As such, NSW Police Force has determined the matter is now closed.”

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/nsw-police-close-case-on-rape-allegation-against-cabinet-minister-20210302-p57739.html

  219. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 10:48 am

    Something that seemingly flew by yesterday, as bothe the PM and the most powerful lawyer in the country revealed they don’t even bother to read an allegation of anal rape made against one of them

    “It shouldn’t take having children to have a conscience,
    And, actually, on top of that, having children doesn’t guarantee a conscience.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/03/grace-tame-chides-scott-morrison-for-his-handling-of-sexual-assault-claims

    But some think having this hanging over their heads is fine and dandy

  220. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 10:49 am

    “For various reasons”

    Love the way they say that. What were the ‘reasons’?

  221. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 4, 2021 10:50 am

    I see.
    So the police did the right thing regarding complaint about Shorten, and the wrong thing regarding the complaint about Porter.
    Therefore the independent inquiry should only be about Porter , and not Shorten.

  222. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 10:51 am

    I suppose mentioning that the NSW police commissioner takes out slowmos bins for him is not allowed?

  223. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 10:59 am

    So the police did the right thing regarding complaint about Shorten, and the wrong thing regarding the complaint about Porter.

    If you consider not talking to the complainant for months ‘the right thing’, then that’s your issue

  224. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 11:00 am

  225. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 11:02 am

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    March 4, 2021 11:09 am

    I see Wally suddenly turned up ???

  227. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 4, 2021 11:39 am

    If you are unable to see the difference between a criminal investigation that requires the finding of evidence to the standard of “beyond reasonable doubt” and an inquiry that will make findings “on the balance of probability”, then you’re either incredibly partisan or incredibly dumb

    On the balance of probability, I’ll choose the former

  228. Walrus permalink
    March 4, 2021 11:53 am

    “On the balance of probability, I’ll choose the former”

    Not sure about your judgement on that ToM………..it could be both……….LOL

  229. Walrus permalink
    March 4, 2021 11:56 am

    “I see Wally suddenly turned up ???”

    Been away in Kingscliff renovating a house I bought last year. Easier to oversee that there in person than from Sydney

  230. ivi permalink
    March 4, 2021 12:18 pm

    (Erm; I’m not sure that happy remembrances of ‘I like veiny pink things dipped in mayo and ketchup’ has quite the same cache as ‘I like beer’; maybe, the dramatically-regressed-to-not-impossibly-jokey-childhoodishness-groupie could have gone with ‘I like(d) strawberry milkshakes’?)

  231. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 12:34 pm

    “beyond reasonable doubt”

    Yea, waiting until the complainant dies, without contacting them, even though they have lodged a complaint, is “beyond reasonable doubt”?

  232. Walrus permalink
    March 4, 2021 12:50 pm

    The Police statement read

    “As such, NSW Police Force has determined the matter is now closed.”

    it did not say…………………….

    “As such, NSW Police Force has determined the matter is now closed and it is now strictly a matter for the Media to determine whether charges should be laid”

  233. ivi permalink
    March 4, 2021 12:51 pm

    (Per the Rule of Man’s input into the Rule of Law: is the ‘highest legal officer in the land’ now beyond doubt simpliciter? Per that very discussion, and on his own best account, as of yesterday, the Exemplar’s answer(s) is: either it’s ‘up to others to decide’, or, more simply, it’s ‘no’.)

  234. Walrus permalink
    March 4, 2021 12:52 pm

    “………….even though they have lodged a complaint”

    Which she withdrew

  235. Tony permalink
    March 4, 2021 1:41 pm

    Independent Inquiry – Transcript:

    Inquisitor: “Let’s hear from the complainant”.
    Assistant to Inquisitor: “That’s not possible, your eminence. The accuser is dead. But we have a document purported to have been written by the accuser.”
    I: “Under the rules of evidence, that’s inadmissible unless its author is present to attest to its authenticity.”
    A to the I: “That’s not possible your greatness.”
    I: “Because the author is dead?”
    A to I: “Yes, your highness.”
    I: “Well, let’s hear from the accused. Accused, what do you have to say?”
    Accused: “None of this ever happened!”
    Inquisitor: “…”

  236. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 1:46 pm

  237. Tony permalink
    March 4, 2021 1:53 pm

    A to the I: Your holiness, we have some peolle who say the accuser told them stuff when she was still alive.
    Inquisitor: “Hearsay. Anything else?”
    A to the I: “We have some journalists.”
    I: “Nope. “Anything else?”
    A to the I: “Malcolm Turnbull?”
    I: “Don’t make me laugh!”
    A to the I: “Albo?”
    I: “Fuck off!”
    A to the I: “TomR from some backwater blog.”
    I: “Yawn.”

  238. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 4, 2021 2:10 pm

    Very funny ToSY!

  239. ivi permalink
    March 4, 2021 2:15 pm

    (I’m not sure that recently and fancifully concocted transcripts, or fabricated (mis)understandings of inquiries, and/or their (in)abilities to examine documents and etcetera, are particularly accurate or relevant; but, having said that, it is, perhaps, fascinating to observe the lengths to which some nominal persons might go to (self-/pre-)select/(a)void parts of a ‘justice system’ (considered) inimical to their proferred ‘case’.)

  240. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 2:19 pm

    having said that, it is, perhaps, fascinating to observ

    The ‘forum’ that matters here is the court of public opinion. He’s a high profile person. He’s the number one legal person in the land. And he stinks. This is just the latest of the stench, and this has many unanswered questions.

    “Questions have been raised about Federal Attorney-General Christian Porter’s attitude towards women, after a Four Corners investigation revealed a history of sexism and inappropriate behaviour.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-10/four-corners-investigation-christian-porter-sexism-inappropriate/12862910

    If you ‘believe’ the complainant or not,. the person slowmo is protecting has a history, and none of it is good

  241. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 4, 2021 3:01 pm

    ” This is just the latest of the stench”

    There is no stench there, Tom R. Just a presumption of innocence (remember that?). What we have now is a whispering campaign, anonymous correspondence, and a troupe of stinking ALP howler-monkeys trying to score political points by exploiting a dead woman’s tragedy.

  242. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 3:02 pm

  243. ivi permalink
    March 4, 2021 3:22 pm

    (The ‘forum’ that matters here is the court of public opinion.

    Is it? I guess that’s why one of Young Christian’s first acts – after mysteriously abandoning his East Coast official duties and prior commitments, mid-last week, presumably with his boss’s knowledge and blessing – was to engage the services of a West Coast reputational risk manager, err, defamation lawyer: to shore-up ‘public confidence’ in ‘the rule of law’; not that some of his very learned legal community friends, also, weren’t already, and aren’t further, heavily questioning his personal fitness(es) and properness(es) for holding (specific) high office, on stand-alone and cumulative grounds.)

  244. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 3:28 pm

    remember that?

    yep

    Gillard, Shorten, Slipper, Thom(p)son and Dastyari .. to name a few.

    And his perception of filth will stay with him, as he has lied about this, shown he has a history of behaviour, and treats the Rule Of Law (whatever that is) with contempt

    So I hope he stays, and that stench will permeate all around him

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    March 4, 2021 3:34 pm

    … trying to score political points by exploiting a dead woman’s tragedy.

    Perhaps two real reasons consider (without the hyper political insulting):

    Without an independent enquiry

    1. The parents of the deceased woman will constantly seek answers and closure

    2. Porter will be floundering and rocking the LNP boat with an election coming up – the issue needs to be “quietened” down

    3. Police services around the country will lose even more respect from the pub test supporters*

    *Morrison has already worn out his welcome in quite a few “pubs” …

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    March 4, 2021 3:39 pm

    Been away in Kingscliff renovating a house I bought last year. Easier to oversee that there in person than from Sydney

    Ahhh … holiday home? I could drive down and have a wine with ya (chuckle)

  247. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 4, 2021 4:08 pm

    I see the police clarification advised they met the woman 5 times. Ultimately she decided not to make a complaint.
    So much for Tom R’s argument about the police failing to deal with it.

  248. Walrus permalink
    March 4, 2021 4:18 pm

    “I could drive down and have a wine with ya (chuckle)”

    We are fortunately quite elevated so I will be able to spot the gogo mobile on its approach

  249. Tony permalink
    March 4, 2021 4:19 pm

    Just in. Leaked video of Teh Independent Inquiry:

  250. TB Queensland permalink
    March 4, 2021 5:00 pm

    No, no not the goggomobile!

    What are you using to get elevated?

  251. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 7:22 pm

    I see the police clarification advised they met the woman 5 times.

    And didn’t have the time to take a formal statement? What did they spend their time doing then I wonder?

    It’s interesting that this is all coming to light in the shadow of a speech which highlighted just WHY women don’t come forward.

    Let that sink in a bit.

  252. Tony permalink
    March 4, 2021 7:44 pm

    Let that sink in a bit.

    Yes, yes. I notice Kathryn Murphy tried to conflate the two things as well. Whatever interesting and profound things were said in the speech at the national press club yesterday, they have absolutely no bearing on the facts of the Christian Porter case – events which allegedly occurred in 1988.

    Let that sink in.

  253. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 4, 2021 8:06 pm

    They met with her 5 times.
    But you’re now in the realms of speculation. After meeting them 5 times she decided she didn’t want to proceed, and I believe that it is making the complaint that requires the police statement
    So clearly she didn’t want to go ahead, and that might be a hint about the wishes of the deceased woman

  254. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 8:47 pm

    But you’re now in the realms of speculation.

    As are you. Because, NOTHING has been investigated.

    Let this sink in.

  255. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2021 8:50 pm

    Another reason WHY we need an investigation

    If only the Police had dealt with it, we may have known.

  256. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 4, 2021 9:01 pm

    1. The deceased woman didn’t want to make a complaint and you think that’s the fault of the police.
    2. The police didn’t charge Shorten because (despite a statement) the evidence did not meet the “beyond reasonable doubt” standard. Now you want to apply a lower standard of evidence regarding someone who chose not to make a complaint to police.

  257. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 4, 2021 9:07 pm

    I wonder whether Shorten would be happy to have an independent inquiry into the rape allegations a out him, and have them determined”on the balance of probability”

  258. Tony permalink
    March 4, 2021 9:24 pm

    “Hugh Riminton’s powerful address to Scott Morrison.”

    I’m sure the prime minister is suitably chastised.

    Sanctimonious journalists – is there anything they don’t know?

  259. ivi permalink
    March 5, 2021 1:07 am

    (Sanctimonious journalists – is there anything they don’t know?

    Not (im)possibly (im)possibly not.)

  260. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 8:29 am

    The deceased woman didn’t want to make a complaint and you think that’s the fault of the police.

    You haven’t been following closely, have you. Many women are now coming forward, and one of their major complaints is the police themselves. And in this case, it’s a major conservative politician, and we know what NSW pigs do for conservative politicians 😉

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-28/how-police-are-failing-survivors-of-sexual-assault/11871364?nw=0

  261. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 9:15 am

    From ivis link

    Many seem to have made up their mind one way or the other about Porter’s guilt – based on his statement and what little we have of hers, his past behaviour, what we know of her tragic life, and gut instinct.

    And let’s be clear, “his past behaviour” is as long dirty as it is recent. There is no evidence at all that he has changed his ways. This is our Attorney General for fucks sake.

  262. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 9:24 am

    The track record of the left isn’t so great when it comes to determining guilt on the basis of reputation.

  263. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 9:27 am

    If alleged rapists who become politicians are to be subject to inquiry on the civil, rather than criminal, standard of evidence, why not Shorten too?

  264. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 9:31 am

    The track record of the left isn’t so great when it comes to determining guilt on the basis of reputation.

    tell it to heydon

  265. Walrus permalink
    March 5, 2021 9:38 am

    Wow……………….just Wow…………………

    I always suspected MP Anne Aly was a total fucking idiot but what she said on Q&A last night confirmed it

    “That inquiry will either exonerate Christian Porter and prove his innocence, as he is — as he is saying, that he is innocent, or it will prove otherwise. Either way, this is a serious, serious allegation. It needs to be treated seriously,”

    That’s why we have Rule of Law you fucking idiot

  266. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 9:41 am

    So if the new standard of evidence for determining rape by politicians is “the balance of probability” , why not Shorten too?
    The police only found that there was insufficient evidence to convict on the criminal standard.
    Who knows, maybe he too could be drummed out of parliament

  267. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 9:44 am

    why not Shorten too?

    Because he actually got investigated for a criminal case. Which has a higher threshold.

    porter didn’t get investigated. None of this mob ever do. It’s THEIR RuleOFLaw

  268. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 9:48 am

    The police only found that there was insufficient evidence to convict on the criminal standard.

    After taking sworn statements by both parties

    in porters case, they have it from neither. They have not even ever spoken to porter about it (according to him anyway)

    Do you see the yawning difference here?

  269. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 9:57 am

    Yes. Insufficient evidence to meet a criminal standard. A “balance of probability” standard may well have produced an entirely different outcome and series of findings.
    That would have allowed a range of other factors to be considered, such as motives for making the complaint.
    You’re now excusing Shorten , while insisting on a lowwr evidentiary threshold for dealing with a political opponent

  270. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 10:05 am

    Yes. Insufficient evidence to meet a criminal standard

    They didn’t take signed statements from either of them. Yea, they didn’t even get to the ‘Insufficient evidence’ bit ffs

  271. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 10:15 am

    #THEIRuleOfLaw

  272. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 10:15 am

    The woman told police she didn’t want to proceed. So there is even less evidence than that against Shorten.
    If you get a (civil standard of evidence) inquiry into Porter, there is no reason to prevent one re Shorten’s alleged rape of around the same period

  273. Tony permalink
    March 5, 2021 10:25 am

    and gut instinct

    Is that the same as “the vibe”?

  274. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 10:36 am

    The woman told police she didn’t want to proceed.

    After being badgered spoken TO by them several times.

    A reminder

    Police rejected nearly 12,000 reports on the basis that they do not believe a sexual assault occurred.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-28/how-police-are-failing-survivors-of-sexual-assault/11871364?nw=0

  275. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 10:37 am

    Is that the same as “the vibe”?

    It’s a strong vibe when you consider his past behaviour

  276. Tony permalink
    March 5, 2021 10:47 am

    his past behaviour

    His past behaviour, or his past behaviour as alleged by his enemies on twitter?

  277. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 10:51 am

    1. Are you familiar with Shorten’s past behaviour? Is that the basis for determining whether there is to be a ( civil standard of evidence) investigation?
    2. What is it that you don’t get about someone specifically telling police they didn’t want to proceed with a complaint? That’s the decision of the woman concerned. Do you know better?

  278. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 5, 2021 10:55 am

    ” Do you know better?”

    No. Tom R, the gaslighter-in-chief, only knows ALP talking points. But he is relentless in his mindless repetition of them.

  279. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 11:10 am

    His past behaviour, or his past behaviour as alleged by his enemies on twitter?

    I was thinking of the ones detailed in the four corners episode on him, that he threatened a lawsuit on, but it never eventuated?

    Are you familiar with Shorten’s past behaviour?

    He’s been through a fucken royal commission for fucks sake!

  280. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 11:30 am

    I thought we were talking about suitability for public officeand personal behaviour.
    And you seem to think that the victim of an alleged rape can be required to make a statement to police. So you understand that the woman concerned told police she didn’t wish to proceed?
    Therefore there is a more compelling case for a (civil standard of evidence) investigation into Shorten

  281. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 11:37 am

    I thought we were talking about suitability for public officeand personal behaviour.

    er, we are

    So you understand that the woman concerned told police she didn’t wish to proceed?

    FARK you are slow.

    “Across the rest of the country, one in five sexual assault reports is withdrawn by the victim.

    If the figure is similar in NSW, the true number of reports withdrawn in the 10 years to 2017 would be close to 28,000 nationally.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-28/how-police-are-failing-survivors-of-sexual-assault/11871364?nw=0

  282. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 11:43 am

  283. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 11:43 am

    That’s right, many women choose not to proceed with a formal complaint, for many reasons.
    You seem to be unwilling to allow them to make that decision.
    The woman spoke to police 5 times over several months. Ultimately she chose not to proceed.
    On the other hand, another woman chose to make a formal complaint against Shorten. But she could not satisfy the required (higher) standard of evidence. Perhaps she would be able to satisfy a lower standard, such as the level you want to apply to Porter

  284. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 11:45 am

    You seem to be unwilling to allow them to make that decision.

    You are completely oblivious to the discussion going on around you, aren’t you yomm!

  285. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 11:49 am

    And even Dan understands that there are inherent inefficiencies in the public service model

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/part-of-vicroads-to-be-privatised-with-new-government-joint-venture-20210305-p5782n.html

  286. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 11:50 am

    Don’t blame me for your inability to make a coherent point

  287. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 12:01 pm

    Don’t blame me for your inability to make a coherent point

    Don’t blame me for your blind ignorance

  288. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 12:04 pm

    Very funny! Double standards and selective use of alleged sexual assault as a political tactic- that’s a poor record you have

  289. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 12:14 pm

    Double standards are the manner in which both allegations were handled by the pig police

    During questions after her address on Wednesday, Ms Tame was reminded by a journalist of comments by the PM in May 2019, when he said he hoped to have created an atmosphere where survivors could be believed, and that it was very important that survivors have the confidence to be believed.

    Asked whether those words rang true now in the way the PM had handled recent events, Ms Tame said “Clearly not.”

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/03/04/paula-matthewson-coalition-women-problem/

  290. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 12:23 pm

    In my opinion the following are prerequisites to seeking to become a politician
    * Being so far up yourself that you cannot imagine anyone not finding you unattractive
    * Glib rather than articulate and thoughtful
    * Mindlessly opiniated
    * Unwillingness to consider alternatives
    Unlike you that’s my view across the political spectrum and I have the utmost respect for Ms Tame and her willingness to call out misogyny

  291. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 12:26 pm

    un attractive

  292. TB Queensland permalink
    March 5, 2021 12:51 pm

    test

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    March 5, 2021 12:53 pm

    But he is relentless in his mindless repetition of them.

    Unlike others here

    Rule of Law Rule of Law Rule of Law Rule of Law Rule of Law Rule of Law Rule of Law

  294. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 1:29 pm

    lol TB

  295. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 1:46 pm

    Yes, “Rule of Law” is overrated , “Rule of Whim” makes far more sense to those of us that prefer go with the vibe rather than those anachronistic rules and regulations

  296. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 2:01 pm

    What about “Rule of common decency”?

  297. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 2:03 pm

    #TheirRuleOfLaw

  298. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 2:03 pm

    #TheirRuleOfLaw

  299. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 2:18 pm

    Rule of common decency **

    ** Conditions apply, ie to their side only

  300. TB Queensland permalink
    March 5, 2021 3:35 pm

    Just to clarify … if I am attacked and injured, I decide whether the cops go after the perp and I then decide whether the cops charge him and then decide whether the perp goes to court …

    Or do the cops decide to pursue the perp?

    A criminal offence is not decided by the victim … and rape is a criminal offence …

    Disclaimer: Politically I hope that the LNP continue to wobble around in the mud they have created … the Australian voters need to see just what a self centred bunch of all talk no action wallies they elected to “govern” our nation …

    Keep up the good work Scotty …

    ______________________________________________

    Three years in gaol on Christmas Island a family including two small children ripped from their home, a family contributing to the economy of Biloela and thus Australia … also demonstrates the nastiness of the LNP community and in particular Peter Dutton …

    Reminds me of stories of people sent to the colonies for stealing a loaf of bread. Have Australia really reversed 230 years and come full circle …

  301. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 3:44 pm

    Or do the cops decide to pursue the perp?

    You recall with Setka, his wife dropped the charges, but the cops proceeded anyway

    Here, we have almost the opposite.

  302. TB Queensland permalink
    March 5, 2021 3:52 pm

    Speaking of “time”

    The Australian Army has just reached 120 years of service

    Lest We Forget

  303. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 3:54 pm

    There has to some evidence that can lead to a conviction. You know like the statement that the woman made about Shorten.
    Without some form of evidence, statement, witness or something, what is it that you are suggesting police investigate? A discussion while someone is trying to decide whether to make a complaint?
    How do you think a rape case would go without a statement, 30 years after the alleged event?

  304. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 3:57 pm

    By the way Setka pleaded guilty. So I suppose Tom R says that proof that he wasn’t guilty

  305. ivi permalink
    March 5, 2021 4:00 pm

    (** Conditions apply, ie to their side only

    Eh? One is/n’t (almost) persuaded by the ‘common decency’ of ScottyfromJurisprudence+-101’s just-is/just-so exposition(s) on the rule(s) of the rule of law in liberal democracies?)

  306. March 5, 2021 4:40 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  307. Tony permalink
    March 5, 2021 4:41 pm

    The Victorian Football League (VFL) played its first season in 1896. It was renamed the Australian Football League (AFL) in 1990.

    The women’s version of AFL is in its fifth season. To distinguish it from the men’s competition it is known as AFLW (W for Women’s). All very sensible.

    The ABC – the taxpayer funded arbiter of what is or isn’t politically correct – has taken it upon itself to start calling the men’s competition AFLM.

    FFS!🙄

  308. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 4:52 pm

    .
    — i am Thommo

    Think of the baby!

  309. TB Queensland permalink
    March 5, 2021 5:23 pm

    Unfortunately this is a real problem (bold) … and understandable …

    High Court justice Dyson Heydon faced any complaints of workplace behaviour during his time as the trade union royal commissioner reported back last week, finding two former staff members made “relevant disclosures” but did not want the department to take any further action.

  310. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 6:14 pm

    Now that it is apparently fine to have inquires into fitness for office, based on a civil courts standard of evidence, it seems appropriate that both Porter and Shorten be subject to the same process.
    Who could possibly object to that?

  311. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 7:19 pm

    Who could possibly object to that?

    I guess people who realize that the Shorten accusation was actually investigated?

  312. TB Queensland permalink
    March 5, 2021 7:24 pm

    So what would any of you lot know?

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/05/australias-largest-law-firm-in-uproar-after-taking-christian-porter-as-client

    It all boils down to … Australia’s AG having a cloud of legality over his head … I know what would happen in any business I have been involved in …

    And I suspect all the “defenders” here would know too …

    As for politics … that’s the defence driver … not justice …

  313. Tony permalink
    March 5, 2021 7:47 pm

    I know what would happen in any business I have been involved in …

    What?

  314. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 8:11 pm

    Shorten’s accuser was serious enough to make a complaint to police but could not satisfy the criminal standard of evidence for an allegation over 30 years old.
    You want to apply a lower standard of evidence regarding an allegation where there was no police statement or complaint.
    I think if we’re going to use 30 year old allegations of sexual assault as the basis for an inquiry into fitness for office, Shorten be subject to the same process.

  315. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 5, 2021 8:41 pm

    Yes, what would TB’s company have done about a 33 year old allegation that occurred when both people were 16 or 17. And there has been no police complaint.
    What exactly would TB’s company do?

  316. Tom R permalink
    March 5, 2021 9:53 pm

    could not satisfy the criminal standard of evidence for an allegation over 30 years old.

    A gentle reminder for the obnoxiously ignorant

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-28/how-police-are-failing-survivors-of-sexual-assault/11871364?nw=0

  317. ivi permalink
    March 5, 2021 10:04 pm

    (So what would any of you lot know?

    Preferably….nothing?:

    “[S]enior partners have rallied around Mr Bartlett and made their feelings clear to Ms Kimmitt about the email.

    They have pointed out that it is the job of law firms to stick by clients and that a good part of MinterEllison’s workplace practice is devoted to acting for chief executives who face allegations of poor behaviour towards women.”)

  318. ivi permalink
    March 5, 2021 10:35 pm

    (I think if we’re going to use 30 year old allegations of sexual assault as the basis for an inquiry into fitness for office, Shorten be subject to the same process.

    Imho, if and when Shorten was, or becomes, a sexist, misogynistic, allegedly-rapey First Law Officer of the Crown — one who seems, alone or in like-minded company, to be otherwise-inexplicably prosecuting both a jobs-for-the-boys and a less-than-nothing-for-the-bush-pigs-and-lying-cows agenda — I might consider it, I think; assuming, of course, that that rule of law thingy didn’t tend to frown on double jeopardy and/or retrospectivity; and, further, that a signal distinguishing feature of an imagined precedent weren’t that one matter, with no necessary nexus to the instant matter, and a zillion distinguishable features, was extinguished, until it conveniently wasn’t, while another matter seems to be very much ongoing, with a promise of more, upon its expected, nay, positively welcomed ‘return to work’.)

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    March 6, 2021 12:14 am

    wot ivi said …

  320. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 6, 2021 9:43 am

    But what would your company have done TB?

    And anyone with an ounce of knowledge knows that double jeopardy doesn’t apply in fitness for office, breath of trust in employment

  321. TB Queensland permalink
    March 6, 2021 10:29 am

    The more I read about this … the more I think, “cold case” investigation … it happens these days

    But what would your company have done TB?

    You don’t know? That explains a lot.

  322. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 6, 2021 11:59 am

    What would your company do TB?

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    March 6, 2021 1:00 pm

    What would your company do TB?

    You don’t know?

  324. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 6, 2021 1:30 pm

    The point is, I don’t think you know

  325. TB Queensland permalink
    March 6, 2021 5:04 pm

    The point is, I don’t think you know

    Oh, I do … however, explaining life experiences seems to unnerve some people here.

    So … “I know what would happen in any business I have been involved in” … and … based upon many of your previous comments/challenges here and your demonstration of “superior” knowledge of business … so should you …

    Perhaps you, ToM, would like to edify us all?

  326. TB Queensland permalink
    March 6, 2021 7:44 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/03/california-universal-basic-income-study

    UBI for all … as an incentive for conservatives everywhere who burble about smaller government, just think of the reduced government services needed to run a UBI program …

    Problem with “liberals” is that they ain’t so liberal …

    The Tightarse Party that costs more …

  327. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 6, 2021 8:00 pm

    Just explain what a company you worked with would do with complaint made against a 50 year old employee, which occurred 33 years earlier
    And this was many, many years before the employee was employed by the company.
    I think the rational response would be “please advise the police”

  328. ivi permalink
    March 6, 2021 11:22 pm

    (How long, exactly, is the life of ‘a gift of the Prime Minister’: a zillion highly-principled, makey-uppy column-inches; a single ‘breath of trust’?)

  329. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 7, 2021 1:15 pm

    I think it’s reasonable to ask (again) what TB’s company would do.
    Just a brief outline will do

  330. Tom R permalink
    March 7, 2021 3:56 pm

    Just explain what a company you worked with would do with complaint made against a 50 year old employee, which occurred 33 years earlier

    Did it have anything to do with a kitchen renovation that was examined and cleared 20 years earlier?

  331. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 7, 2021 4:21 pm

    “young and naive” is only an excuse if you’re a political activist, mid 30s woman, partner in a law firm, who has a shady union official boyfriend who misappropriated union cash

  332. Tom R permalink
    March 7, 2021 10:25 pm

    is only an excuse if you’re a political activist, mid 30s woman, partner in a law firm, who has done nothing wrong.

    Not many people seem to believe our attorney general hasn’t done anything wrong.

  333. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 8, 2021 8:22 am

    “Not many people seem to believe our attorney general hasn’t done anything wrong.”

    What did he do exactly? What happened to the presumption of innocence?

  334. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 8, 2021 8:35 am

    I’m still amused by the “young and naive” self description of the mid 30s Gillard
    And people complain about the spin used by Morrison!

  335. Tom R permalink
    March 8, 2021 9:23 am

    What happened to the presumption of innocence?

    Well, he denied the allegations made in the 4 corners piece, and said he was suing. Then, it turned out to be correct, and he hasn’t sued anyone. If he is innocent of these later charges, which he could be, we are going to need more than his word. His word keeps being shown up to be false.

    People in thousands of jobs less important and public than attorney general are stood down while their name is cleared, or not, but he doesn’t even want to try and clear his name. The compulsive liar wants us to take him at his ‘word’

    That is not good enough for the position he holds

  336. Tony permalink
    March 8, 2021 9:41 am

    People in thousands of jobs less important and public than attorney general are stood down while their name is cleared

    Thousands? “While their name is cleared”? I don’t think so. Sounds like hyperbole.

    Why don’t you give a couple of examples.

  337. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 8, 2021 9:58 am

    I’m still amused by the “young and naive” self description of the mid 30s Gillard”

    Me too. Now we have got the stage of yelling past each other it is not possible to have a balanced or measured discussion. It is all about gaslighting and fake news. The chances of Tom R or Neil saying anything against their preferred party are nil!

    Tom R defended Thomo to the bitter end despite a mountain of evidence against him. He’s not so big on the rule of law these days.

    I blame Fuckoand his ilk for this. Once truth is seen as subjective it ceases to be something to be sought after. We are left with the pursuit of power by any means necessary. Partisans care only about winning.

    When asked later about his spreading lies about Mitt Romney having paid no tax for 10 years, Harry Reid said:

    “I don’t regret that at all. Romney didn’t win did he?”

    John Howard lied in the most vile and cynical way possible to win an election.

    And Biden has based his career on propagating lies, a habit he developed in law school where he was done for plagiarism.

    So here we are, ToM – in a world where power is everything and blatant lying is a commendable tactic if it produces results.

  338. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 8, 2021 2:05 pm

    “””””or Neil saying anything against their preferred party are nil!”””

    Get stuffed. I am anti-ALP/Greens because they mislead and deceive more than my side of politics.

    “”””””””John Howard lied in the most vile and cynical way possible to win an election.”””””””””””

    Big call to make as there are a lot of contenders.

    In 2007 Rudd/ALP promised a NBN costing taxpayers $4.7B and finished by 2013. It made Rudd seem “”modern”” against the tired and ancient Howard and was a major policy to help Rudd win the election.

    In 2008 Rudd put his election promise out for tender but there were no good offers so he threw his promise into the bin and came up with the current boondoogle on a plane flight in 2009 costing who knows what finished who knows when. And the govt starting up NBNCo to build the NBN

    Can you believe it?? The biggest infrastructure spend by a govt was started not knowing the cost.and the Australian people not getting a vote on it.

  339. Tom R permalink
    March 8, 2021 2:15 pm

    Why don’t you give a couple of examples.

    splats jus provided one. Also just recently morrison kicked someone over watches ffs

    It happens all the time. Personally, I don’t think it’s right, but the only time it doesn’t happen, is when it’s one of ‘them’

  340. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 8, 2021 7:36 pm

    We have TB saying companies he’s worked with would do something about people facing 30,+ year old allegations , that occurred before they had any career let alone one with their present organisation.
    And where there is no police complaint.
    But TB remains unable to outline what that action might have been.
    Then we have Tom R who says thousands of people are stood down in other jobs in these circumstances.
    Tom R is also unable to provide details of his claim.
    TB and Tom R enjoy making big statements without substance

  341. TB Queensland permalink
    March 8, 2021 7:50 pm

    But TB remains unable to outline what that action might have been.

    Unable?

    Scenario: A national company’s CEO has the same accusations as Porter … his only supporter is the Chairman of the Board … who guffaws and fudges (bit like you) … the Chairman also happens to have been the Marketing Manager and begins to think about the “image” of the company (lots of shareholders snarky) … he agrees the reputation of the company is at risk but the CEO is the last of his majority supporters … if he accepts that the CEO stands down he knows he will be defeated at the next board meeting … so he stalemates … and fudges … eventually the shareholder vote him out … and the CEO …

    Porter needs to stand down and satisfy the “shareholders” before the next “board meeting” …

    I’m sure you will get my meaning, ToM, with all your corporate experience, knowledge and skills …

    I deliberately left out the reaction of THE UNIONS! BOO!

  342. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 8, 2021 8:33 pm

    No TB, I really don’t think you have an adequate take on process.

    The scenario -a woman (who has since committed suicide) makes an allegation against a company CEO, including-
    *as a school boy aged 17 he raped her whent hey were on a club trip and both were drunk
    * that was 33 years ago
    * she didn’t disclose anything about it at the time and was silent about the alleged incident for for almost 3 decades
    * there was no police complaint at the time, she chose not to make one recently so there will obviously not be one now that she is deceased,

    So the person who made the complaint is unable to be interviewed. In this scenario there may be a discussion involving the Chairman and the CEO. The CEO says – “it didn’t happen”

    There is nothing further for a a Chairman to do, other than report to the Audit and Governance Committee of the Board that there was a complaint and it has been denied. The Audit and Governance Committee might discuss it, get a legal opinion to cover their backsides

    There will be no further action, and the Board would certainly dig in, particularly if it is found that it is their commercial competitors that are calling for the CEO to be stood down.

    For example, do you think Qantas would stand down Alan Joyce if it was the Virgin AIrlines CEO calling for him to be stood down over matters that may or may not have occurred more than 3 decades ago?

    No TB, that would NOT happen and nor should it.

  343. TB Queensland permalink
    March 8, 2021 10:41 pm

    But TB remains unable to outline what that action might have been.

    What cock. I’ve spent half my time on this blog asking you to verify stupidly naive statements and have never had an answer, nor, when you are proven wrong … an apology!

  344. Tony permalink
    March 9, 2021 8:06 am

    That’s odd. I too asked TB what he meant would happen when he said:

    “It all boils down to … Australia’s AG having a cloud of legality over his head … I know what would happen in any business I have been involved in …”

    As far as I can see he hasn’t answered the question. Which is fine, but why insist he has?

    https://theguttertrash.com/2021/02/19/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-australian-govts-battle-with-facebook/#comment-182142

  345. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2021 8:08 am

    Tom R is also unable to provide details of his claim.

    You either read like a toddler, or you’re just ignorant as shit.

    I’m betting on both being true 😉

  346. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2021 8:30 am

  347. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2021 8:30 am

    Oops, dissention in the ranks

  348. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2021 8:41 am

    t is often said that no one is above the law, but it is just as important to understand that under the rule of law, no one is below the law.

    The most important component of the rule of law is that it operates to protect the most vulnerable and underprivileged in our community.

    ……

    When the Prime Minister blurted “rule of law” he might as well have added that it was an “on-water matter”. So much for accountability.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2021/03/06/christian-porter-rule-of-law/

  349. Tony permalink
    March 9, 2021 8:41 am

    Tom R is also unable to provide details of his claim.
    You either read like a toddler, or you’re just ignorant as shit.

    Yeah, I must have missed the examples you provided as well.

  350. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 9, 2021 9:02 am

    Tom R and TB are “BIG STATEMENT” specialists, and very light on details

    It’s the way of teh left

  351. Tony permalink
    March 9, 2021 9:05 am

    The most important component of the rule of law is that it operates to protect the most vulnerable and underprivileged in our community.

    In that person’s opinion. The Law is supposed to be blind. It shouldn’t matter if you’re the “most vulnerable”, or the richest person in the world. The (rule of) law should apply equally to all.

  352. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2021 9:21 am

    splats jus provided one. Also just recently morrison kicked someone over watches ffs

    So, both read like toddlers?

    The following mentions another one. How many before you tools accept reality?

    Mr Porter’s fate is much more problematic than Senator Reynolds.

    If he quits Parliament there would be a loss of absolute majority and a by-election in a marginal seat.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/opinion/2021/03/08/paul-bongiorno-porter-government/

  353. Tony permalink
    March 9, 2021 9:39 am

    “ So, both read like toddlers?”

    So you still haven’t provided one example of someone being “stood down while their name is cleared”. I’m sure there must be some, but you haven’t mentioned any.

  354. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2021 9:44 am

    facepalm

    So, not Thomson (who was kicked out of the Labor party while the courts/libs were finding something to pin on him) or the Aus Post one who morrison simply booted rather than even standing her down (yes, the investigation that found she had done nothing wrong)

    And then pell, listed in that last article, as I also mentioned, for the slower ones (ie, u n yomm)

    So, NONE? Ignorant Toddlers yes 😉

    https://fairworklegaladvice.com.au/can-employers-suspend-employees/

  355. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 9, 2021 9:48 am

    Got any (of those thousands) of examples that involve a 33 year old allegation, that has only recently been made, of an event that occurred when the subject was 27, and a decade before they started a professional career?
    Juvenile attempt to use a sexual assult as a political tactic

  356. Tony permalink
    March 9, 2021 9:53 am

    Oh, so Pell’s “name was cleared”? Got it. (I just wanted you to say it. Must have hurt.)

    The AustPost woman resigned.

    Thompson was convicted in court and expelled from the labor Party.

  357. TB Queensland permalink
    March 9, 2021 10:00 am

    No TB, that would NOT happen and nor should it.

    What can I say … keep watching!

  358. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2021 10:06 am

    Oh, so Pell’s “name was cleared”?

    He stood down, while the investigation was underway.

    The AustPost woman resigned.

    Did she jump, or was she pushed “Scott Morrison said that if Holgate wished not to stand aside then she could go”

    Thompson was convicted in court and expelled from the labor Party.

    Thompson left the Labor party before his conviction, in fact, while the investigation was underway.

    As I said 😉

  359. Know Women Problems Here`Teabag permalink
    March 9, 2021 11:13 am

    presumptions of innocent .. reynolds .. porter .. slomo .. proving self innocent ” Let’s all enjoy watching the robodebt’rs arsefcuk them until the lying cows come home.`

  360. Know Women Problems Here`Teabag permalink
    March 9, 2021 11:16 am

    Psst. On the westcoast chairman mark will romp home.`

  361. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2021 12:19 pm

    When the going gets awkward, the awkward get going 🙂

    Tasmania’s children’s commissioner has joined calls for the state government to reveal more details about where 13 state service employees stood down over sexual assault or misconduct allegations worked.

    In response to Labor criticism this week, the Attorney-General Elise Archer also revealed a Tasmanian Health Service employee was stood down over historical allegations in January.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-18/tasmania-childrens-commission-commission-of-inquiry-sexual-abuse/13167828

  362. Tony permalink
    March 9, 2021 12:34 pm

    Did she jump, or was she pushed “Scott Morrison said that if Holgate wished not to stand aside then she could go”

    No. Like I said, she resigned.

    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-australia-54775199

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    March 9, 2021 12:45 pm

    Frankly I’m more concerned about this than Porter …

    Over 600 veterans have now committed suicide since we first deployed our forces to Afghanistan in 2001.

    And let’s not forget the 6000 homeless vets … how much was spent on the War memorial again … $500k

  364. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 9, 2021 12:54 pm

    Tom R says thousands of people are stood down as a result of a similar accusation. So please identify a dozen where-
    * The events occurred during school days
    * 3 decades ago
    * No police complaint

  365. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2021 1:19 pm

    Toddlers are throwing a tantrum I see 🙂

  366. Tony permalink
    March 9, 2021 1:50 pm

    Toddlers are throwing a tantrum I see

    If you want to keep name-calling, you can go fuck yourself.

  367. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2021 1:58 pm

    ptooey

  368. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 9, 2021 3:42 pm

    ALP zealots logic… a case that is similar to Porter’s
    * The CEO of a public instrumentality face some watches away and resigned
    A case that is in no way similar-
    * A senior politician is accused of a rape decades after the alleged event, and police are unable to establish sufficient evidence to lay charges. This (does not require) requires an inquiry into fitness for office

  369. TB Queensland permalink
    March 9, 2021 5:23 pm

    Morrison and senior ministers have repeatedly invoked the claim that the rule of law would be harmed by an investigation, which has been contradicted by some legal experts including Prof Ben Saul and Kim Rubenstein.

    Workplace investigations are common, operate on the lower standard of the balance of probabilities rather than proving allegations beyond a reasonable doubt, and in senior corporate and sporting contexts have included investigations into private matters.

  370. Tony permalink
    March 9, 2021 6:00 pm

    Workplace investigations are common, operate on the lower standard of the balance of probabilities rather than proving allegations beyond a reasonable doubt, and in senior corporate and sporting contexts have included investigations into private matters.

    Maybe so, but what were they “investigating”? How many “workplace”, “sporting”, or senior corporate” investigations were set up to determine the truth or otherwise of allegation(s) of serious crime(s)?

    None of them.

    If you are going to destroy someone’s life or career based on allegations of serious crime, the standard of proof needs to be the same as in a court of law.

  371. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 9, 2021 6:02 pm

    Fine with me TB, we’ll have Porter and Shorten both subject to the same process

  372. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 9, 2021 6:21 pm

    Although I’ve never heard of a workplace investigation into the actions of someone that allegedly occurred 30+ years earlier, when they were a teenager at school, before they commenced any career and where the alleged complainant declined to make a police statement and is now dead.
    Perhaps our in house expert(s) can cite a few cases

  373. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2021 7:05 pm

    If you are going to destroy someone’s life or career based on allegations of serious crime, the standard of proof needs to be the same as in a court of law.

    Or in Gillards case, way beyond the court of Law, and into the Court of HATEYOUCOS!

    Perhaps our in house expert(s) can cite a few more cases

  374. TB Queensland permalink
    March 9, 2021 7:30 pm

    If you are going to destroy someone’s life or career based on allegations of serious crime, the standard of proof needs to be the same as in a court of law.

    Tell that to the LEGAL experts … your quals are?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 9, 2021 6:21 pm

    Cases are not the issue … the process is … BTW Porters career is jelly if its NOT done … argue his “case” by all means … but in fact (legally) you are doing him damage … keep it up Scotty …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ and finally!

    What government ignores 6000 veterans on the streets homeless … and 600 suicides (that we know of).

    JFYI – no-one knows how many people “alive” have served in your ADF … first question EVER in this years Census … governments (all) treat ex-servicewomen and men atrociously in Australia, UK and USA (in particular) …

    And here you lot are, “arguing” the case for a “dead marine” upper crust (I was born to be PM) politician … sick …

  375. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 9, 2021 7:44 pm

    Julia Gillard faced allegations about possible illegal or unethical behaviour as a professional
    * About 15 years earler
    * Mid 30s (but described herself as young and naive) when alleged events occurred
    * Didn’t call in inquiry into allegations against her
    * Had a press conference instead
    …yes, a very relevant case

  376. TB Queensland permalink
    March 9, 2021 7:45 pm

    …yes, a very relevant case get a life and go back to work … grumpy …

  377. Tony permalink
    March 9, 2021 7:51 pm

    And here you lot are, “arguing” the case for a “dead marine” upper crust (I was born to be PM) politician … sick …

    Oh, I see. You want us “lot” to argue about what you’re interested in?

    No. That doesn’t work for me.

  378. Tony permalink
    March 9, 2021 7:53 pm

    Tell that to the LEGAL experts … your quals are?

    I’m a qualified bullshit detector.

  379. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 9, 2021 8:00 pm

    Porters career is jelly if its NOT done …

    Finally admission that this isn’t an issue of principle for the ALP barrackers

  380. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2021 5:57 am

    Didn’t call in inquiry into allegations against her

    No, they had a Royal Commission instead (even though it HAD been investigated back when it occurred, and she had been cleared, as she would be ……. again)

    I’m a qualified bullshit detector.

    Time to replace the batteries 😉

    All this sit alongside a record as Attorney-General of appointing Liberal Party cronies to high-paying quasi-judicial positions, outside the merit process.

    It includes giving dubious secret advice permitting highly irregular distribution of grants for partisan purposes, interventions in deeply political prosecutions that violated principles of the Crown being a model litigant.

    It involved his role as a social security minister administering the Robodebt scheme when he knew, and was concealing legal advice and quasi-judicial findings, that the scheme was illegal. The Robodebt process, like an increasing number of processes in the refugee system, has a reversed onus of proof, contrary to the rule of law to which he has so suddenly become attached.

    https://johnmenadue.com/is-porter-fit-to-hold-public-office/

  381. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 10, 2021 7:39 am

    Yeah. Here’s the precedent Gillard set-
    * Have a press conference
    * Reject calls for an inquiry
    * Tough it out

  382. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2021 8:11 am

    Gillard had already been fully investigated.

    What part about this are you finding difficult yomm?

    Unlike porter, who threatened legal action, Gillard actually did, when remarks were made. She had the courage of her correctness to back her up, porter appears to be relying on the boys club keeping mum

    It is indisputable our Prime Minister’s position is untenable. It’s astonishing multiple ministers are so enamoured with power they’d rather stand in a virtual line up for the anal rape of a 16 year old than break ranks. That no LNP member has deserted the party is disgusting. It is clear this government’s only objective is power for power’s sake. Nothing else matters.

    https://theshot.net.au/national/the-prime-minister-no-longer-has-any-legitimacy/

    I did read last night that there are so many ‘off sick’ (thanks Unions BOO) that we no longer have a Federal Cabinet, but rather a medicine cabinet

  383. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2021 8:49 am

  384. Tony permalink
    March 10, 2021 8:53 am

    It is indisputable our Prime Minister’s position is untenable.

    I dispute that!

  385. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2021 9:05 am

    I dispute that!

    I never doubted it 😉

  386. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 10, 2021 9:21 am

    This is true:

  387. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2021 10:49 am

    Finally admission that this isn’t an issue of principle for the ALP barrackers

    Already told you I don’t GAFF about the politics (you do) its about careers and Porter’s is fucked no matter what any of us write or think … pub test anyone?

  388. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2021 10:55 am

    I’m a qualified bullshit detector.

    Qualified by whom? 😶

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    we no longer have a Federal Cabinet, but rather a medicine cabinet

    😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😂😎

  389. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2021 10:58 am

    Oh, I see. You want us “lot” to argue about what you’re interested in?

    No. That doesn’t work for me.

    And that reinforces the argument I was making … more “interest” in one dodgy politician over thousands of people in real trouble …

    No don’t bother with a reply … you’ve made your point and I’ve made mine …

  390. ivi permalink
    March 10, 2021 11:00 am

    (… pub test anyone?

    *burp*)

  391. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2021 11:01 am

    This is true:

    Chuckle … 😎

    Oh, I see. You want us “lot” to argue about what you’re interested in?

    No. That doesn’t work for me.

  392. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 10, 2021 11:03 am

    “I am very confident the current Solicitor General will explain to the PM that his excuses about the rule of law are absurd, that an independent inquiry [into a rape allegation against Christian Porter and Bill Shorten] is no threat to the rule of law.”

  393. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2021 11:06 am

    Nicely put together V … nearly missed the * * … very clever stuff …

  394. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 10, 2021 11:06 am

    Gillard had already been fully investigated.

    Yeah. Who did that?

  395. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2021 11:20 am

    Yeah. Who did that?

    We’ve just transported back a fucken decade 😦

  396. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2021 11:21 am

  397. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2021 11:50 am

    Bloody hell … do they have TV in Victoria!!!!

  398. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 10, 2021 12:15 pm

    Was that.the investigation by the union/ALP aligned law firm where she worked?
    A little like the Liberal Party conducting a full investigation into the Liberal Party. I’m sure you would accept their findings

  399. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2021 12:35 pm

    A little like the Liberal Party conducting a full investigation into the Liberal Party.

    You’re in dream land. It was investigate by a privately run law firm, whose clientele are based on them being above reproach. And yes, they cleared her, just like the Witch Hunt Commission did too.

    Who has cleared porter?

  400. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 10, 2021 1:51 pm

    1. How long do you think this will last?
    2. How many lefty heads will explode into off-the-charts outrage?

  401. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 10, 2021 1:59 pm

    How quaint.

    A political incubator/union/ALP law firm investigated some shady dealing involving an ALP political activist/labour lawyer, and the political activist/union lawy resigns before any findings are made.
    And Tom R suggests this is the type of independent inquiry required
    Hilarious!!

  402. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2021 2:04 pm

    As a legal matter, Porter is entitled to the presumption of innocence. As a political matter, Porter can still be sacked. Porter is not an employee – he’s a minister of the Crown.

    https://lens.monash.edu/@politics-society/2021/03/09/1382931/cabinet-ministers-have-been-sacked-over-unproven-allegations-before-and-the-courts-say-thats-ok

    So the argument that morrison is running about ‘rule of law’ is crap.

    Especially when you compare it to this

  403. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2021 2:37 pm

    And Tom R suggests this is the type of independent inquiry required

    Just curious, did the Royal Witch Hunt find any different yomm?

    I noticed the murdoch hack who maligned her took his slur down pretty quickly. We’re still waitin on our Attorney Gineral to call his lawyers in. Instead, he’s taken a Union won sickie

  404. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2021 7:38 pm

    How many lefty heads will explode into off-the-charts outrage?

    Why do you associate gay rights, civil rights, children’s rights, religious rights, any rights … with “lefties” … its about people’s rights not “lefty” rights …. ahhhhhh how silly of me … you don’t understand that because – your right …

  405. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2021 7:45 pm

    Instead, he’s taken a Union won sickie

    TR yer doing so well (well its not too hard with ToM) but, you missed something important and I have to correct you …

    Instead, he’s taken a Union won sickie UNIONS BOO!

    😎

  406. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2021 7:47 pm

    news.com headline …

    Rupert Murdoch at 90: what now for the media mogul?

    Here’s a suggestion …. FUCK OFF!

  407. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2021 7:49 pm

    Yallourn, one of Australia’s last brown coal power stations, to close early in favour of giant battery

    LOL!

    The Morrison Rabble is so far behind the economic eight ball they thinks its brown!

  408. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 10, 2021 8:11 pm

    The Morrison Rabble is so far behind the economic eight ball they thinks its brown!

    So you want to destroy our coal industry, one of our biggest exports. next you will destroy our natural gas industry because it produces CO2.

    Other than destroying things why do you exist??

  409. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2021 8:18 am

    Other than destroying things why do you exist??

    To perhaps create things, like, batteries, wind farms ………. cars 😉

    Oh yea, the libs sent them all over seas

    DIG IT UP AND SHIP IT OUT! It’s all they have left, except kicking people. Guess it suits their backers that way.

    On Tuesday, the prime minister took another turn putting the boot in to the unemployed, by suggesting they should be forced to take jobs in rural areas or face losing their jobseeker payments. Such a policy would do little to improve anything, and pointedly fails to address the major issue of falling full-time, ongoing jobs.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2021/mar/11/forcing-job-seekers-to-move-is-not-just-bad-policy-it-does-nothing-to-address-the-economys-real-problems

  410. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2021 9:48 am

    Context is everything

  411. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2021 10:40 am

    Keep watching …

    Key crossbench senator Rex Patrick has warned Scott Morrison the Christian Porter saga will become an “albatross around his government’s neck” unless action is taken.

    Morrison has so far resisted calls for an independent inquiry into historical rape allegations levelled against the attorney general, saying NSW police have declared the case closed and Porter is an “innocent man under our law”.

    But independent senator Rex Patrick currently holds a crucial vote on the government’s industrial laws says it is “impossible” to make progress until Porter returns from stress leave.

    He told ABC:

    Asking Michaelia Cash to step in and do the negotiations where Christian Porter has had significant involvement in this negotiation from the get go is unreasonable.

    Patrick seems unconvinced with the prime minister’s line that there is nothing left to investigate and the “rule of law” has run its course.

    That may suit him politically, but he is a little bit naive in that this will become an albatross around his government’s neck if he does not act…

    [Porter] has to have his name cleared so that he enjoys the trust of government and indeed the trust of the Australian public.

  412. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2021 10:47 am

    Other than destroying things why do you exist??</i?

    To ensure that you exist … and see that the planet isn't destroyed in the process … after all even you are a child of the universe …

  413. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2021 10:52 am

    She did not retract her complaint, she withdrew from investigation.

    Such a serious allegation should be investigated anyway … cold cases are investigated constantly … and a criminal event is not up to the victim to decide … once a complaint is made it should be investigated “thoroughly” not simply dropped …

    Seems those in “high places” have cases dropped way too easily, way too quickly and way too often …

  414. Walrus permalink
    March 11, 2021 4:03 pm

    So why did the alleged rape victim claim she had dinner with Porter in 1994. Strange behaviour for an alleged rape victim

  415. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2021 4:27 pm

    Just apply exactly the same standards and process to Shorten

  416. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2021 7:12 pm

    Won’t be here for a couple of weeks – motorhome to Western Queensland …

    Dalby, Roma, Charleville, Barcaldine, Longreach, Winton, Emerald (Lake Maraboon), Carnavon Gorge, Emu Park, Hervey Bay -> home …

    (Magic bed electrically controlled up and down … Jayco Voyager Deluxe)

    Ahhh the freedom … 😉

  417. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2021 8:08 pm

    The tour of Crapperville , lots of dust, ugly towns and flies the size of sparrows.
    Have a great time TB.

  418. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 11, 2021 8:18 pm

    “””””””””Oh yea, the libs sent them all over seas””””””””””””

    What did the Coalition send overseas?? We had a car industry in 2006. By 2013 it was dead. It died under Rudd/ALP because people stopped buying aussie made cars. Holden was making Commodores and people wanted SUVs

    “”””””””DIG IT UP AND SHIP IT OUT! It’s all they have left”””””””””””

    Labor wants to destroy that as well. People like you and TB want to destroy our coal industry and our natural gas exports

  419. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2021 10:48 pm

    The tour of Crapperville

    You know nothing, Tom of Melbourne

  420. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2021 11:02 pm

    I know plenty about the searing heat, barbecue chicken sized flies and human misfits in that part of the world.

    “Welcome to Queensland”

  421. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2021 6:12 am

    So why did the alleged rape victim claim she had dinner with Porter in 1994. Strange behaviour for an alleged rape victim

    Ah, says an expert on the subject?

    Just apply exactly the same standards and process to Shorten

    So, do an investigation to find out if the claims have merit or not? Oh, that would be applying Shortens standards to Porker

    Seems we have our own ‘trash after Dark’ here.

  422. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2021 6:20 am

    Then you must be willing to have an investigation into Porter, using the criminal standard.
    Except the police say there isn’t sufficient evidence to even start an investigation.
    You just can’t overcome your partisan inconsistency

  423. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2021 9:12 am

    Except the police say there isn’t sufficient evidence to even start an investigation

    That’s not what happened. Yes, they have probably said that along the way, but the actual facts are slightly different. Which means, there are still “questions to answer”.

    My first is, why are the Pigs being misleading over this?

  424. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2021 9:13 am

    “Welcome to Queensland”

    I live here, DW … do you have anything nice to say about anything or anybody? All you do is whinge … get a life … build a bridge …

  425. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2021 9:13 am

    Proud Boyz?

  426. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2021 9:21 am

    The woman concerned decided not to make a complaint. Police therefore had even less evidence than they had on Shorten.
    That’s the fact but your partisan bias make you unable to comprehend that.
    ——-
    Thin skinned.
    Visiting dusty towns with flies that require a shovel in place of a swatter doesn’t qualify as leisure in the civilised part of the country.
    “Welcome to Queensland”

  427. Tony permalink
    March 12, 2021 9:24 am

    In “Dog Bites Man” news:

    ABC24 chiron just now: “Government Criticised”

  428. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2021 9:30 am

    The woman concerned decided not to make a complaint.

    Oh, her complaint stands, as that tweet highlighted. Why do you feel the need to lie? Are you now a Pig too?

    Police therefore had even less evidence than they had on Shorten.

    Because the woman died ffs. That means, under the law, he cannot be charged. It also means, he has a massive cloud hanging over him, as his innocence or guilt has never been tested (unlike Shorten)

    If Porter’s innocence is a legal fact, the taint surrounding him is (like it or not) now a political one. That might not have been so had the police been able to investigate fully. But the alleged victim’s death means that investigation ended before it could begin.

    The taint exists largely because there has been no satisfactory ventilation of all this. And that’s a problem because Porter isn’t a private citizen: he’s a representative, and a very senior one.

  429. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2021 9:48 am

    Are you sure that’s the law or that these 30 year old complaints are difficult with a living complainant, but almost impossible with a dead (alleged) victim?
    In any event, the question facing Porter is now fitness for office at a common law standard of evidence. That’s equally applicable to Shorten.
    Shorten got off because of insufficient evidence, so has Porter

  430. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2021 9:54 am

    Shorten got off because of insufficient evidence, so has Porter

    And yet you know, again, that is not true.

    Shorten got off because all of the evidence they had wasn’t enough to charge anyone with anything. Porter got off because nobody started an investigation, so there is no evidence supplied.

    You are as loose with the truth as that article writer is

    Both men went public about claims of rape soon after police closed their investigations.

    Police NEVER closed an investigation in porter ffs. Why do they keep lying?

  431. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2021 10:22 am

    Bizarre hair splitting.
    Politicise one sexual assult and excuse another.
    Fitness for office does not a criminal standard of evidence

  432. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2021 10:28 am

    Politicise one sexual assult and excuse another.

    Perhaps you need to rephrase that as “Politicise one sexual assault that may have happened and excuse another allegation of an assault that has proven to be false.”

    Fitness for office does not a criminal standard of evidence

    gurble garble plurble plarble ??????

  433. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2021 10:58 am

    That’s totally wrong. It wasn’t proven to be false. That’s just you inventing crap.
    There was insufficient evidence to justify criminal charges.
    And please post your evidence that it is against the law to investigate rape of a deceased.
    The problem re Porter is-
    * No police statement
    * Insufficient evidence
    While Shorten’s accuser is still capable of giving evidence at a common law inquiry

  434. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2021 11:03 am

    There was insufficient evidence to justify criminal charges.

    Yes, that means, innocent. AFTER a through Police investigation.

    While Shorten’s accuser is still capable of giving evidence at a common law inquiry

    Speaking of which, what DID happen to that latest one? It went quiet real quick didn’t it 😉

    It’s all cuming clear now, you and wally read the same crap, and, it works on you both

  435. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2021 11:14 am

    Just post the link that shows it is against the law to investigate the rape of a deceased
    And both cases haven’t proceeded due to insufficient evidence
    I’m entirely fine with having both politicians investigated on a common law standard for fitness for office
    It’s partisan that you’re unwilling to accept that. You seem unable to differentiate between a common law standard and a criminal standard
    Selective
    But I’m now off for a long lunch

  436. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2021 11:23 am

    Just post the link that shows it is against the law to investigate the rape of a deceased

    Oh, there can be charges, but, if the woman hasn’t told anybody else, or more importantly, left something like evidence, then it is almost impossible to get a conviction.

    I’m entirely fine with having both politicians investigated on a common law standard for fitness for office

    As has been pointed out, both HAVEN’T been investigated, only one has

  437. Walrus permalink
    March 12, 2021 12:54 pm

    “Ah, says an expert on the subject? ”

    Yes in fact ………….the alleged victim

    **********************************************************************

    FOUR CORNERS 8 March 2021

    REPORTER: When was the last time you had communications with the complainant?

    CHRISTIAN PORTER, ATTORNEY GENERAL: That week, I would think in early December, sorry January in 1988.

    LOUISE MILLIGAN, REPORTER: But in Kate’s written account she says she met with Christian Porter again in 1994

    KATE STATEMENT (ACTOR’S VOICE): The last time that I saw CP was in 1994, in Perth. I was there for the annual Australian Historians’ Association conference, held that year at the University of Western Australia, from 26 to 30 September. One evening, I had dinner with CP.

    https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/bursting-the-canberra-bubble/13227810

    *********************************************************************

    Like I said pretty strange to have dinner with your alleged rapist

  438. Walrus permalink
    March 12, 2021 12:58 pm

    So Sally Rugg is TomR’s expert……………..LOL

    She’s a hopeless author and activist but according to TomR she’s now an “expert

  439. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2021 1:18 pm

    So Sally Rugg is TomR’s expert……………..LOL

    She has a Bachelor’s degree in Communication and Media Studies and is doing her Masters
    There is also a more complete lists of her achievements here

    https://speakingout.com.au/speaker/sally-rugg/

    In addition, she is also woman. Yea, I’ll take here take on this issue over any right wing lunatic male any day

    Along with the list of other prominent women saying basically the same thing

    ffs, it’s like living in medieval times here sometimes

  440. Walrus permalink
    March 12, 2021 1:27 pm

    Oh I see she has a vagina and a degree in something or other. Meaning she is an expert in rape victim behaviour.

  441. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 12, 2021 1:36 pm

    The way these things work now is best exemplified by Ralph Northam and Justin Fairfax, respectively Governor and Lieutenant Governor of Virginia.

    Northam posted this photo of himself in his college yearbook.

    Fairfax has at least two credible rape allegations against him.

    Neither have stood down and both are still in office years later.

    Biden did the same with the Tara Reade groping allegations – denied and moved on. Despite the fact that Kamala said she believed Tara, and despite the contemporaneous evidence, Biden has not been held to account.

    And now Andrew Cuomo has been shown to be a self-aggrandising liar – fiddling stats on nursing home deaths at the time he was preparing his vanity book on how well he handled the Covid crisis. He has also had half a dozen women accuse him of sexual impropriety. And he says he is not going anywhere.

    The tactics in these cases are the same – hunker down and hang on. And they seem to have had some success.

    I think Porter is playing the same game.

  442. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2021 1:39 pm

    Meaning she is an expert in rape victim behaviour.

    I didn’t ever claim that.

    I think Porter is playing the same game.

    Looks like he’s gonna hunker down lower for a while

  443. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 12, 2021 2:19 pm

    The woman concerned decided not to make a complaint. Police therefore had even less evidence than they had on Shorten.

    Would not surprise me if they are both guilty. But Shortens accuser is still around and wants justice but the ABC says nothing

  444. March 12, 2021 3:57 pm

    Porter’s confusion around basic legal concepts ‘regrettable’, lawyer says

    https://www.lawyersweekly.com.au/biglaw/30865-porter-s-confusion-around-basic-legal-concepts-regrettable-lawyer-says

  445. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2021 4:33 pm

    Tom R proves he has no idea about-
    * The difference between criminal standard of evidence vs the common law standard
    * Fitness for office investigation vs a criminal investigation
    * Policicising sexual assult vs political consistency
    Tom R is FITH

  446. March 12, 2021 4:50 pm

    Trying to understand how “lying cow” means something other than what it means? Let Linda Reynold enlighten you with this comprehensive explanation…

    pic.twitter.com/gnkc1G6Aks— Linda Reynolds (@lindareynoldswa) March 12, 2021

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  447. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 13, 2021 6:15 pm

    I can understand where this comment is coming from – seems fair to me:

    A LETTER TO DAN ANDREWS FROM THE SILENT MAJORITY:

    Dear Dan. We, the silent majority of this once great state of Victoria hear you are in hospital, suffering terrible pain, your movement severely restricted, unsure about your future and facing reality that your political career may be finished.

    Last year while every other state functioned and Premier’s kept their people safe, you – Dan Andrews through sheer incompetence unplugged life support from Victoria.

    821 Victorians died under your watch. Hundreds more suicided from despair at being locked up, losing their jobs, by family separation, by being locked away 23 hours a day for 4 months, losing their small businesses and ruined education.

    Tens of thousands of small business gone forever and nearly 250 thousand of us remain unemployed.

    All the while your mates at the ABC, the Greens, your pathetic Labor Party and even the Coate Enquiry turned a blind eye to your incompetence, your obfuscation and your lies.

    Well Dan, at least you are alive. You have your new multimillion dollar home and you have financial security. Too bad you won’t enjoy them in comfort. Back injuries are painful and they are forever.

    On behalf of every Victorian that suffered death, anguish, anxiety, fear, lost their jobs, disrupted education and the indignity of being arrested and charged for exercising their constitutionally protected rights to freedom and movement WE THE PEOPLE SAY “Thank you Karma – That’s one back for us”.

  448. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 13, 2021 8:17 pm

    “””””””””””””””I can understand where this comment is coming from – seems fair to me:”””””””””””

    Most probably true. But i would not like to be in govt. It is not an easy job. This is the first time i know of when i will support the Andrews ALP govt. We do not know what information he has that we do not have

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