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Here’s what I learned today from Gladys Berejiklian

July 27, 2021

I generally don’t tune in to Gladys Berejiklian media appearances mainly because she doesn’t really interest me all that much and she seems a bit too close to Scott Morrison for my liking.

However, with the escalating Covid situation in Sydney and the State government’s fairly casual approach to controlling the movement of people – one of the main causes of person to person transmission of the virus – and general reluctance to impose anything that might inconvenience the proprietors of high-end fashion outlets and retailers of homewares and whitegoods, my interest was shall we say ‘piqued.’

So, this morning I was transfixed to my screen to witness the NSW State Premier attempt to explain away the absolute ‘clusterfuck’ that’s currently unfolding in NSW as something that, and I quote: “Could have been a lot worse had we not acted when we did”.

The mood in the room was palpable. The media (well some of them) were baying for blood, demanding to know why NSW hadn’t gone harder, sooner but Gladys remained unflappable.

She may not be the most charismatic of individuals but she’s certainly amongst the most delusional.

In the wake of 172 new cases with at least 60 actively circulating in the community while infectious, the Premier had little to offer other than platitudes. In one moment saying she wasn’t going to comment on other States, then bagging out Victoria for having five lockdowns the next.

But the most extraordinary aspect of her entire performance was that it was perfectly clear that neither the Premier nor her Health Minister Brad Hazzard have a concrete plan to navigate NSW out of its current crisis.

Hazzard rambled on about other States not helping out or something, while glassy-eyed Gladys appeared to be lost in another dimension altogether.

Blissfully ignoring the cavalcade of questions from journos, she deflected to congratulating the many ‘frontline’ workers who are working tirelessly to ‘bring the spread of the virus’ under control.

Confronted with allegations of complacency and incompetence, Gladys felt she was in fact there to accept some kind of academy award, interrupting the press pack to acknowledge those who have contributed to her success.

“Please, please . . “

“Can I just say…”

“Thank you to those…..”

“And can I just say . . . “

“Can I be honest . . And I also want to say thank you to . . .”


I accept that Sydney is some distance from where I live in Melbourne, but this was parallel universe stuff.

Although, it appears to the same universe that that baldy-headed fuckwit and personality-deprived host of Channel 7’s Sunrise show ‘David Koch” inhabits.

Only yesterday, he “interviewed” Gladys Berejiklian, and bemoaned “it feels like we’ve all let you down.”

I mean what the actual fuck…??

586 Comments leave one →
  1. July 27, 2021 4:47 pm

    Gladys seems upbeat for some unknown fucking reason.

  2. July 27, 2021 4:56 pm

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  3. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 27, 2021 5:33 pm

    “Only yesterday, he “interviewed” Gladys Berejiklian, and bemoaned “it feels like we’ve all let you down.

    I mean what the actual fuck…??”

    Indeed.

    We do have some prize puddin’-pullers in Sydney.

    Koch’s grovelling was reminiscent of Pirate Pete FitzSimons apologising to al Qaeda for 9/11.

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2021 7:42 pm

    Yes. And did we count how many times Dan ssid- “stay the course”?
    I think it was almost 500 times, because he said it 4 times at every press conference during the lockdown
    I think Gladys can learn from Dan, because she is missing a trite, sanctimonious instruction. Although I have heard her lockdown referred to as a “mockdown”

  5. Tony permalink
    July 27, 2021 8:19 pm

    Although I have heard her lockdown referred to as a “mockdown”

    In which case Dan’s must be a schlockdown.

  6. Tony permalink
    July 27, 2021 8:21 pm

    Or a crockdown.

  7. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2021 9:07 pm

    because he said it 4 times at every press conference during the lockdown</i.

    It's called leadership yomm. People knew what was happening. With gladys, it's .. whatever
    The people at the freedumb marches on the weekend, in Sydney at least, were simply regurgitating what the NSW government have been saying for months.

    You can hardly blame a lot of them for their anger.

  8. Tom R permalink
    July 27, 2021 9:49 pm

    Does this help at all Reb?

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2021 10:29 pm

    Hazzard … says it all!

  10. Back In Some Form`Teabag permalink
    July 28, 2021 9:57 am

    You are all being to hard on chairman gladys, it is hard work running a ‘gold standard’ Lockdown to the Node. Leave chairman gladys go at her pace, its knot a race.`

  11. Back In Some Form`Teabag permalink
    July 28, 2021 10:08 am

    .. clear that neither the Premier nor her Health Minister Brad Hazzard have a concrete plan to navigate ..” Psst. Surely you don’t expect leadership out of the teabags do you. They have an entrenched theory of knot picking winners, so without the practice of picking winners, they never do.`

  12. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2021 1:53 pm

    Sure they weren’t the only ones to call it either

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 28, 2021 2:12 pm

    You might notice that the Victorian government got a sh*t load of cash from the federal government last year.

  14. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2021 2:19 pm

    Victorian government got a sh*t load of cash from the federal government last year.

    They got something special the rest of Australia weren’t getting?

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2021 2:39 pm

    Do all those wankers protesting get a handout too?

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 28, 2021 2:40 pm

    Victoria was fortunate enough to come out of Lockdown#5 after a couple of weeks.
    Have you noticed that the one in NSW is still going?
    Do you have any data on the percentage of pandemic financial support that Victoria has received?

  17. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 28, 2021 3:07 pm

    Looks like the current Coalition govt is now Australia’s most reckless spender. So i will take the view if you cannot beat them join them. I am going to apply

    How NSW residents can get $750 payment
    Sydney residents stuck in lockdown without work will receive a $750 a week disaster payment. Here is how to apply.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/disaster-payments-boosted/news-story/1bc22eee857bd28f339e36883ebc576f

  18. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2021 3:36 pm

    I’ll take that as a NO then yomm 😉

  19. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2021 4:28 pm

    hmm, perhaps people weren’t as crazy as they were told they were?

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2021 5:57 pm

    I am going to apply

    For what? All those Russian scientists applied …

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2021 6:03 pm

    Reconstituted …

    That’s why its hard to take the Liberal/National partisans seriously, every position is reconfigured to suit whatever the status quo is …No.Actual.Framework 😛

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2021 6:07 pm

    Wests Tigers flyer James Roberts has been handed a $7500 fine and a one-game suspension for failing to comply with a Queensland Public Health directive.

    FFS – fuck this fuckwit off out of my state! Send a fucking message to all Australia not just the NRL but to all the Robber Barons who think rule don’t apply!

  23. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 28, 2021 6:22 pm

    That’s why its hard to take the Liberal/National partisans seriously, every position is reconfigured to suit whatever the status quo is

    What are you talking about??

  24. Tony permalink
    July 28, 2021 6:23 pm

    FFS – fuck this fuckwit off out of my state! Send a fucking message to all Australia not just the NRL but to all the Robber Barons who think rule don’t apply!

    What an outrage! How many people did he infect, or at least put in danger?

    Wait, no, this can’t be right, can it?

    The NRL has been made aware of a COVID bubble breach in Queensland with Wests Tigers player James Roberts breaking the strict protocols by walking onto his balcony for some fresh air.

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/tigers/nrl-2021-covid19-james-roberts-wests-tigers-bubble-breach-gold-coast-hotel/news-story/9e4801175354524e2fb25b4d43c0e6a9

  25. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2021 9:26 pm

    Wait, no, this can’t be right, can it?

    Seems harmless, doesn’t it. Oh, what, there’s MORE to he story?

    It came after breaches by Jai Arrow in the build-up to Origin III and families of players passing milk between one another across a balcony.

  26. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2021 9:34 pm

    NSW businesses with turnover of up to $250m will now be able to access payments of up to $100,000 a week

    Will joshie be able to outdo himself?

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2021 9:49 pm

    What an outrage! How many people did he infect, or at least put in danger?

    Its not how many he infected … its about what rules he’d break next time … the NRL players have been flaunting them for 18 months … the infection rate is exponential … one player gets loose who is infected … and we have the same problem as Sydney and Melbourne … Not outrage … its looking after everyone in the community … these dicks only think of themselves … the reason they are in hotel lockdown now is because a number of players and their families were in contact via the balconies!

  28. Tony permalink
    July 29, 2021 8:14 am

    families of players passing milk between one another across a balcony

    Milk you say? The horror!

  29. Tony permalink
    July 29, 2021 9:19 am

    Its not how many he infected … its about what rules he’d break next time …

    Really? When did we start punishing people for things they may do in the future? Obviously it’s difficult to argue the punishment fits the crime in this case.

  30. July 29, 2021 9:55 am

    “When did we start punishing people for things they may do in the future?”

    It’s been going on for quite a while actually; suspected terrorists, asylum seekers, etc…

    Ask yer mate Dutton for a more comprehensive list if you like.

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2021 10:08 am

    Milk you say? The horror!

    And it was warm milk!

    Dickheads!

  32. July 29, 2021 10:41 am

    To be fair, who amongst us can honestly say this hasn’t……

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  33. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2021 10:45 am

    Milk you say? The horror!

    I’m not sure you understand the concept of ‘quarantine’, or what it’s aim is?

    Try the dickshunary, it may help you 😉

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2021 11:11 am

    To be fair, who amongst us can honestly say this hasn’t……

    What do you do with your days?

    Yer on yer own wi’ this un lad … 😶 🙄 😮

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’m not sure you understand the concept of ‘quarantine’, or what it’s aim is?

  35. Tony permalink
    July 29, 2021 11:17 am

    It’s been going on for quite a while actually

    Whatever ya reckon.

  36. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2021 11:21 am

    It’s almost like gladys doesn’t understand the concept of ‘quarantine’ either 😦

    Best wishes to anyone in Sydney atm

  37. Tony permalink
    July 29, 2021 5:31 pm

    The most devastating video on the internet is now making reverberating shock waves around the world. It’s the tale of two Bidens – and crack cocaine. Don’t miss it!

    (Censored by many mainstream outlets.)

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/07/most-devastating-video-internet-frontpagemagcom/#.YQF46VzcdIg.twitter

  38. Tony permalink
    July 30, 2021 2:16 pm

    Who else loves it when sports commentators call the start the “get-go”? Me neither.

  39. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 30, 2021 3:42 pm

    “To be fair, who amongst us can honestly say this hasn’t……”

    Indeed.

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    July 30, 2021 4:52 pm

    (Censored by many mainstream outlets.)

    Chuckle … 😑

    But not extreme right Trump fanbois … LOL!

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2021 4:56 pm

    To be fair, who amongst us can honestly say this hasn’t……

    He’s obviously not an executive, we have people that do that for us

  42. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 30, 2021 5:15 pm

    “He’s obviously not an executive, we have people that do that for us”

    In Dan Andrews case that person is Tom R!

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    July 30, 2021 6:28 pm

    He’s obviously not an executive, we have people that do that for us

    You do?

    Yesterday I couldn’t spell executive … today I are one …

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    In Dan Andrews case that person is Tom R!

    So how is Golden Glad, SB?

    This could go on all night! Nah … five minutes and its dun …

  44. Tony permalink
    July 30, 2021 6:36 pm

    Who else thinks Victoria’s heath minister Martin Foley is a charismatic, dynamic live wire?

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    July 30, 2021 7:06 pm

    Who else thinks Victoria’s heath minister Martin Foley is a charismatic, dynamic live wire?

    Have you fallen in love?

  46. Tony permalink
    July 30, 2021 8:15 pm

    Fiji take gold in circular singing.

  47. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 31, 2021 10:15 am

    Beautiful: I bet Andy Ngo enjoyed watching this having himself been beaten and hospitalised by Antifa mongrels!

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2021 12:24 pm

    Oh! No! A three day snap lockdown! What will I do! I can’t go to the library! Oh woe is me!

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 31, 2021 4:59 pm

    Lockdown make no difference to old codgers, they just hang around homes and shout at the TV, as always. It’s only vibrant youthful types that are genuinely inconvenienced

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2021 6:27 pm

    It’s only vibrant youthful types that are genuinely inconvenienced

    And you retired at 37! LOL!

    Nice try … Mehican whinger!

    Fancy resorting to “ageism” like that other old fart SB … ya pair of dickheads … I won’t “name” others here … they have better standards …

    Seems maths isn’t a strong point at TGT LOL! (eg AGE calculation!)

    Lockdown make no difference Lockdowns?

    FYI … I’ve spent today making a workbench for The Minister who has a dozen native beehives to construct ready for this years split … and a native beehive with bees retails for —- $450 x 12 = do your own maths …

    Tonight I’ll be video editing …

    Tomorrow I’ll be setting up a two sided expanding screen around the firepit – 9 degrees C is fucking cold here – ( I know that’s summer in Mehico !) Cause our friends who were coming for dinner are in lockdown and can’t make it …

    One thing I will not be doing is watching fkn TV and the Olympics … or shouting at it … never judge others by your own actions … ToMMY 😋

    😎 😀

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 31, 2021 6:32 pm

    I think you always refer to libraries because of your jealousy of my ability (and inclination) to read books without pictures

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2021 6:37 pm

    I think you always refer to libraries because of your jealousy of my ability (and inclination) to read books without pictures

    Great sense of humour, old fella, (inclination) oh dear, as Wally would say, ROFLMAO!

    BTW – eBooks!

    Want some? Contact reb! Requires computer skills … 😎

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2021 6:48 pm

    Meet the enablers … check out the audience! (Ignore the double tracking and backing!)

    Subtle, hey?

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    August 1, 2021 8:52 am

    So who said children and schools were not a “risk” …

    https://www.news.com.au/national/rush-hour/live-breaking-news-lockdown-restrictions-australia-updates-case-numbers/live-coverage/564607c021809e04ad3811aa134c3d64

    Eventually they catch up …

  55. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 1, 2021 9:14 am

    “… ya pair of dickheads …”

    That was completely unprovoked, TB.

    Better than a pair of chimps. What an odd couple you and Neil make!

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    August 1, 2021 10:44 am

    That was completely unprovoked, TB

    Then … Better than a pair of chimps.

    LOL! Guess who started the unprovoked name calling?

    You should be flattered I included you … 😎

    We need a song called “Lockdown” … let’s start with some lyrics …

  57. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 1, 2021 3:19 pm

    “You should be flattered I included you “

    I am!

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    August 1, 2021 6:37 pm

    😜

  59. Tony permalink
    August 2, 2021 8:19 am

    The bannings will continue until morale improves.

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2021 10:01 am

    ‘Bout time someone challenged Sky News BS … especially Jones’ ignorant rants …

  61. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 2, 2021 10:29 am

    “‘Bout time someone challenged Sky News BS”

    This not a “challenge” to Sky News. It is a jackboot planted on their face. No more argument – straight down the memory hole for them. Such is the age of unreason we live in!

    Cancel culture means using whatever power you have to shut up your opponents. The tech oligarchs are proof positive that power corrupts. The more power they have the more corrupt they become.

  62. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2021 10:48 am

    Requires computer skills

    lol 🙂

    The bannings will continue until morale improves

    The bannings will continue until their drivel improves, ie, never. I love how these lemmings rant about free speech, while refusing to present scientific views, and ignoring the fact that youtube, a private enterprise, can present whatever they want.

    Also sad that while youtube were busy banning them, (for a whole week), our present government gave them free reign to present their unscientific ramblings to regional areas, after successfully curbing the reach of the ABC into those areas, and knobbling the NBN enough in those areas to make the sharing of information prohibitive.

    Talk about a captured audience 😦

  63. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 2, 2021 12:07 pm

    Tom R, the ABC should be abolished, not curbed.

    OTOH, I don’t mind the NBN so much these days:

  64. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2021 12:15 pm

    the ABC should be abolished returned to its charter

    This is a valid question.

  65. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 2, 2021 12:22 pm

    to regional areas, after successfully curbing the reach of the ABC into those areas, and knobbling the NBN enough in those areas to make the sharing of information prohibitive.

    Coalition did not touch Labors NBN plan decided on a plane flight in 2009 for regional areas.

    Regional areas are going to get fixed wireless and/or satellite as decided on that 2009 plane flight.

  66. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 2, 2021 1:01 pm

    I agree with Sarah. Youtube should be held to account.

  67. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 2, 2021 1:12 pm

    Splatterbum

    I think Sarah is saying the govt should have held Skynews to account not Youtube. And what govt regulator is she talking about??

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2021 2:18 pm

    Cancel culture means using whatever power you have to shut up your opponents.

    Sky News BS is not “culture” its misleading BS for weak minded people …

    I think you’re getting mixed up with these people (see below) pick as many as you like) … who really did try to cancel culture, political process and legal rights …

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Capital+Hill+storming

    I think Sarah is saying the govt should have held Skynews to account not Youtube. And what govt regulator is she talking about??

    Yeah, SB, what is she talking about? LOL!

    😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😛

  69. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 2, 2021 2:28 pm

    “Yeah, SB, what is she talking about? LOL!”

    I know. I was just trying to be a smart-arse. Maybe I should just stick to being a Splatter Bottom.

    Sky News is one of the few media outlets not regurgitating leftist lies. No wonder the woke wankocracy is desperate to close it down.

    And I thought you might be a bit kinder to Alan Jones given his tireless campaigning against Campbell resulted in Pallachook winning office.

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2021 2:37 pm

    It seems to be an abuse of power to simply block content from Sky News.
    It’s opinion, and people are entitled to express it. Even if it’s ill informed.
    Just look at TB and Tom R for evidence of ill informed opinion.

  71. Tony permalink
    August 2, 2021 2:40 pm

    Bannings are good provided it’s your political enemies being banned.

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Communist

    Then they came for the Socialists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Socialist

    Then they came for the trade unionists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a trade unionist

    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew

    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

  72. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2021 2:54 pm

    It’s opinion

    It’s called Sky NEWS ffs

    and people are entitled to express it

    Unless you are a private company and you don’t want alleged ‘news’ sites to push dangerous lies into an already confused population. Then, your opinion doesn’t matter any more.

  73. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 2, 2021 3:21 pm

    Apparently this is the reason Youtube banned Skynews

    “””””””””””””””Sky News Australia has been banned from uploading content to YouTube for seven days after violating its medical misinformation policies by posting numerous videos which denied the existence of Covid-19 or encouraged people to use hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin.”””””””””””””””””””””””

  74. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 2, 2021 3:21 pm

    “Unless you are a private company and you don’t want alleged ‘news’ sites to push dangerous lies into an already confused population. “

    In which case you would ban the ABC, SMH, Age, Guardian and the rest of the leftist dogfuckerati!

  75. Tony permalink
    August 2, 2021 3:36 pm

    Some people, if you let them, would even have this beautiful piece of music banned!

  76. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2021 3:52 pm

  77. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2021 3:53 pm

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2021 4:18 pm

    I like The Chaser, but on this occasion they’re proven to be stupid. They mustn’t have noticed that the ABC is funded by taxpayers.

  79. Tony permalink
    August 2, 2021 4:20 pm

    ‘News company that has spent decades calling for ABC to be silenced privatised by government’

    There’s a difference between not wanting all taxpayers to fund a monolithic, leftist media giant, and wanting it silenced.

  80. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2021 4:42 pm

    leftist media giant

    Yor starting to sound as dumb as yomm tosy

    the distribution based on their Party affiliation shows that 79% are Liberals, 20% Nationals and 1% Labor and the Greens never had a voice

    https://johnmenadue.com/the-abc-continues-to-deny-right-wing-bias-by-the-drum/

  81. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 2, 2021 4:52 pm

    “They mustn’t have noticed that the ABC is funded by taxpayers.”

    They get less funny and less relevant with each passing decade.

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2021 5:33 pm

    It’s hilarious the way leftists say the ABC/taxpayers should provide a leftist perspective to balance some conservative media outlets.
    If the left was serious, they’d fund it themselves

  83. Tony permalink
    August 2, 2021 5:35 pm

    the distribution based on their Party affiliation shows that 79% are Liberals, 20% Nationals and 1% Labor and the Greens never had a voice

    Guffaw! Where’d he pull those figures from, his arse? I note he didn’t provide a link to his ‘evidence’. Feel free to provide one Tom R, I’d love to analyse his data. 🙄

  84. Tony permalink
    August 2, 2021 5:55 pm

    Sky News You Tube channel has 1.86 million subscribers. The ABC has 1.42 million, 9 News 767, 000, 7 News 542,000. (The Liberal party has 32,000 subscribers, the ALP 10,000, the Greens 12,000.)

    The numbers speak for themselves.

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2021 6:03 pm

    Even the ABC fact checking shows ABC journalists are far more likely to vote Green than is typical in the electorate
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-13/fact-check3a-abc-greens-voters/9931782

  86. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 2, 2021 6:14 pm

    “If the left was serious, they’d fund it themselves”

    When it comes to supplying commo propaganda and fake news, the leftist outlets have to compete with “free” from the ABC. People who want to real news are prepared to pay Sky News for it. There is no danger the ABC will compete with them to produce fair and balanced reporting.

  87. Tony permalink
    August 2, 2021 6:23 pm

    Sky News you can use (nothing more recent than 4 days ago on their channel ATM):

    Here IMO is their greatest song:

    And finally, I can recommend this on Netflix:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9015306/

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2021 6:37 pm

    Half an hour replying to BS and suddenly lost … funny that!

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2021 6:39 pm

    A culmination of frustratedf comments for the last three months …

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2021 6:47 pm

    People love living with a right wing government … (odd its now right wing left wing – typical Yankee shit) … still if you wankers want to play extremes any one can …

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/centrelink-bills-sydney-families-thousands-over-childcare-subsidy-during-covid-lockdown/news-story/07bc25b72f89812068001f85fdab2f42

    The religious hypocrisy of the right wing fascists has always fascistated* me … from Mussolini to Hitler to Stalin – Thatcher, Trump … its always religion … fascism, communism, capitalism, any ism … its all driven by religion … ultimate belief …

    Now I can’t comment again!

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2021 7:06 pm

    If you think Thatcher (Or even Trump) can be mentioned in the same breath as Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, you’re weird

  92. Tony permalink
    August 2, 2021 7:12 pm

    People love living with a right wing government … (odd its now right wing left wing – typical Yankee shit) … still if you wankers want to play extremes any one can …

    The left/right political divide goes back to the French revolution. But, hey, what’s your alternative?

    And yes, people love living with a right-wing government because history says leftism doesn’t work.

  93. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2021 7:36 pm

    It’s hilarious the way leftists say the ABC/taxpayers should provide a leftist perspective to balance some conservative media outlets.

    Link?

    I note he didn’t provide a link to his ‘evidence’.

    He did, he didn’t provide the direct link, but I will 😉

    “It is was with some sadness that on the 16 July I penned an article ”

    https://johnmenadue.com/the-drum-shows-continued-right-wing-bias-in-its-panelist-selections/

  94. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2021 7:38 pm

    history says leftism doesn’t work.

    I reckon the Magna Carta might have been considered pretty lefty for its day 😉

  95. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2021 8:23 am

    He did, he didn’t provide the direct link, but I will 😉

    None of his assertions can be checked because The Drum episodes stay online for one week. Also, he cherry-picked chose a short, interrupted time span for his ‘study’. But his premise is flawed, anyway. His ‘evidence’ The Drum is biased is that a majority of its ’political’ guests are associated with the Liberal or National parties. But he fails to mention the three other nightly talking heads, not to mention its host.

    Last night, for example, you had host Ellen Fanning; Rick Morton from the Saturday Paper; Madonna King of The New Daily and Crikey; some Melbourne GP woman; and a lady from some chamber of commerce I’d never heard of.

    Everybody agreed with everybody else that Sky News was dangerous and should be stopped. Rick Morton even declared that Sky’s Digital Editor [in the article I linked above] compared its You Tube banning to the holocaust! He didn’t.

  96. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2021 8:24 am

    I reckon the Magna Carta might have been considered pretty lefty for its day 😉

    Not really.

  97. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2021 9:21 am

    Correction. While ABC iView only keep a week of The Drum episodes, you can find about five weeks of programs here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/programs/the-drum/?nw=0

    My point about this zealot’s person’s methodology, however, stands.

  98. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2021 9:37 am

    Re-reading this fuckwit’s article, his beef seems to be not so much that there are too many people from the political right, but that they are allowed on the program at all.

    To reiterate: there are on average four panellists plus the host (not counting other, ‘special’ guests). Having one opinion (sometimes) which differs from the prevailing leftist othodoxy, to represent half of all voters, is not too much to ask. Is it?

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2021 9:38 am

    Remember how TB used to say Melbourne was in lockdown because people could/wouldn’t follow regulations?
    I notice in he’s stopped saying that

  100. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2021 10:07 am

    Re-reading this fuckwit’s article, his beef seems to be not so much that there are too many people from the political right, but that they are allowed on the program at all.

    I guess that’s why he said, in two separate articles

    “the distribution based on their Party affiliation shows that 79% are Liberals, 20% Nationals and 1% Labor and the Greens never had a voice”

    The fact that they remove content isn’t a defense. You asked for his data, he showed it. He also explained the ‘cherry’ picking. Which, means, it’s not ‘cherry’ picking. yomm will be able to explain the difference 😉

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2021 10:12 am

    Even the LNP know its dangerous BS … that its not “free speech” …

    The federal health minister, Greg Hunt, has appealed to “everybody to stick with the facts” on Covid-19 after Facebook marked a recent post by a Liberal National party colleague as containing “false information”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/03/stick-with-the-facts-greg-hunts-plea-to-politicians-after-lnp-senators-false-facebook-covid-posts

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2021 10:16 am

    Remember how TB used to say Melbourne was in lockdown because people could/wouldn’t follow regulations?
    I notice in he’s stopped saying that

    Have I? Look at the history of southern rule breakers that brought it to Quensland

    The streets are very quiet and few people about walked 5clicks this morning and in that hour I saw five people … ’cause everyone* is following the regs …

    Queenslander!

  103. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2021 10:24 am

    Greg Hunt, has appealed to “everybody to stick with the facts”

    They spent most of this century lying about the science of AGW, so they can’t really stand on a pedestal now all righteous, can they.

    Then again, he’s lied about most things to do with this too, so … business as usual

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2021 10:24 am

    Hey, ToM!

    I know your “memory” is selective but do you also recall me saying that schools were a source of infection despite the government saying children were safe?

    The risk of transmission on a large scale was always possible … latest victim is in an under 8 soccer team … and a number of schools are now closed …

    This is a risk management, health and safety issue but its being mismanaged as a medical problem.

    The attempt to identify certain age groups as being “at different risk levels” was always doomed to fail …

  105. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2021 10:25 am

    “everybody to stick with the facts”

    Maybe not everone is that nimble. Remember when masks weren’t recommended? You probably won’t find it anywhere. That ‘fact’ has been memory-holed.

  106. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2021 10:25 am

    Yeah, like the 2 Gold Coast women who visited Melbourne for shopping

  107. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2021 10:29 am

    despite the government saying children were safe?

    Another example of fluidity of ‘facts’. Today’s disinformation can become tomorrow’s facts.

    But that’s okay. YouTube and Facebook are the new Ministry of Truth. Let then decidd what we should believe.

  108. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2021 10:38 am

    Then again, he’s lied about most things to do with this too, so … business as usual

    The obvious solution is to let silicone valley stifle debate. Right? Right?

  109. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2021 11:12 am

    let silicone valley stifle debate.

    lol

    What was said is was what is commonly referred to as, INCORRECT, wrong, false, A LIE!

    And if youtube don’t want people to lie on their platform, isn’t that their choice?

    Of course, stopping people from demonstrating against mining companies that endanger the environment is fine, or stopping Unions from blockading companies that are endangering workers. Or the Government stifling debate over its own illegal actions? This is all fine by you. But you want people to lie and possibly endanger people through those lies, because they lie on your end of political spectrum

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AlboMP/status/1333283510975569920

  110. Back In Some Form`Teabag permalink
    August 3, 2021 11:22 am

    How are my orbiting teapots. Still flying in formation l hope. .. lt is absolutely delicious to see the SloMo teabag govt produce an ocean of red ink that makes the pacific look like a puddle. .. By the time the superBug has finished mauling the primates chairman gladys will have regretted she inhaled all that ‘gold standard’ smoke slomo blew up her arse. .. Oh how l Love
    the 2020s. Or as l like to think of it. The back in black decade.`

  111. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2021 11:49 am

    What was said is was what is commonly referred to as, INCORRECT, wrong, false, A LIE!
    And if youtube don’t want people to lie on their platform, isn’t that their choice?
    Of course, stopping people from demonstrating against mining companies that endanger the environment is fine, or stopping Unions from blockading companies that are endangering workers. Or the Government stifling debate over its own illegal actions? This is all fine by you.

    Naturally you’ll be able to point out where I said any of that, or anything remotely like it?!

    I think that’s what’s known as projection.

  112. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2021 11:52 am

    Yes, YouTube can host whoever they like, but it doesn’t mean I can’t criticise what they are doing on principle. Still, evidently that’s what you want, silicone valley oligarchs controlling political debate?

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2021 12:10 pm

    Yeah, like the 2 Gold Coast women who visited Melbourne for shopping

    Actually three …

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-30/coronavirus-queensland-three-women-charged/12508498

    https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/three-qld-women-in-court-over-vic-travel-c-1347660

    Won’t play silly games … most of Queensland’s border breaches have been from people escaping Mexico and Cockroach Country … and overseas …

  114. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 3, 2021 12:13 pm

    the distribution based on their Party affiliation shows that 79% are Liberals, 20% Nationals and 1% Labor and the Greens never had a voice

    There has to be something wrong with those stats. Over the years i have found lots of allegations to be false.

    It took 13 years until i found out the “one hour rule” to determine employment was started in the early 1960’s and not introduced by Howard as PM

    I never watch the ABC and my Conservative mother cannot stand it. Luckily for her she lives in country NSW and gets Sky News for free. The ABC has to be stacked with lefties if my mother cannot watch it.

  115. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2021 12:25 pm

    I think that’s what’s known as projection

    Interesting that your ‘principle’ only got rattled when a private company decided they didn’t want dangerous lies that can hurt to to be spread on their platform, but you were more than quiet when the government was deciding to silence dissent from those who were only trying to protect others, with truth bombs the government found awkward.

    Awkward for you too perhaps?

  116. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2021 12:36 pm

    Awkward for you too perhaps?

    Firstly, I’ll comment on the issues that interest me, when I like, how I like.

    Secondly, I might disagree with, even criticise, different groups for their ideas or what they stand for. But I will always defend their right to peaceful assembly.

    The rest of what you’re saying is just gobbledegook.

  117. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2021 12:46 pm

    but you were more than quiet when

    Here’s an idea: if you want to know what I think about a topic why not ask me? Who knows, if I’m feeling generous I might just tell you.

  118. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2021 1:10 pm

    Firstly, I’ll comment on the issues that interest me,

    Seems you only care about ‘freedom of speech’ when its a lying right wing commentator getting told to shut up, but you are quiet when it’s accurate left wing people raising issues

    So, is it freedom of speech, or lying right wing commentators that interest you

  119. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2021 1:20 pm

    So, is it freedom of speech, or lying right wing commentators that interest you

    As far as I know, YouTube hasn’t disclosed what posts/videos, in particular, led to Sky News’s banning. Perhaps you can enlighten us, then I’ll comment on the actual details, not your generic “lying right wing commentators”.

  120. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2021 1:37 pm

    There’s a particular schadenfreude in seeing the Brisbane lockdown continue

  121. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2021 1:53 pm

    I’m not sure what one either tosy, but here’s one ACMA was happy with.

  122. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 3, 2021 2:02 pm

    I posted this earlier. This is the reason Youtube gives for banning Sky News

    We apply our policies equally for everyone regardless of uploader, and in accordance with these policies and our long-standing strikes system, [we] removed videos from and issued a strike to Sky News Australia’s channel. Specifically, we don’t allow content that denies the existence of COVID-19 or that encourages people to use Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin to treat or prevent the virus. We do allow for videos that have sufficient countervailing context, which the violative videos did not provide

  123. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2021 2:54 pm

    wonder how long this will be their position, once they are reminded that Dan Andrews pioneered the solution?

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2021 5:54 pm

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/everything-you-should-know-about-census-happening-on-august-10/news-story/b2c88e2cac04466ff449675874c1118b

    What’s the bet that the Census server goes bust! This Federal Government has botched everything else its touched!

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2021 5:57 pm

    There’s a particular schadenfreude in seeing the Brisbane lockdown continue

    Only in your personal matrix … and as usual thinking only of yourself …

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2021 5:59 pm

    I never watch the ABC and my Conservative mother cannot stand it. Luckily for her she lives in country NSW and gets Sky News for free. The ABC has to be stacked with lefties if my mother cannot watch it.

    That explains so much … 🙄

    “lives in country NSW and gets Sky News for free”

    And Regional News has been decimated by the Feds … a coup without troops …

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2021 6:03 pm

    wonder how long this will be their position, once they are reminded that Dan Andrews pioneered the solution?

    Eventually they catch up, TR! 😶

    QLD 34,700 tested in last 24 hours … ToM!

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2021 6:12 pm

    Who knows, if I’m feeling generous I might just tell you.

    😷

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2021 6:16 pm

    As far as I know, YouTube hasn’t disclosed what posts/videos, in particular, led to Sky News’s banning.

    Because you don’t want to? Or don’t know how to find out?

    Please answer in your own time … 😊 If you choose to of course … 🥱

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/aug/03/six-videos-by-sky-news-australia-hosts-alan-jones-rowan-dean-and-rita-panahi-removed-from-youtube

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2021 6:18 pm

    I’m not sure what one either tosy,

    Just like Trump … its the Enablers that are the real problem!

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/08/02/on-this-day-hitler-becomes-german-president/

  131. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2021 6:29 pm

    Please answer in your own time … 😊 If you choose to of course … 🥱

    Not sure what your point is. I said “As far as I know, YouTube hasn’t disclosed what posts/videos, in particular, led to Sky News’s banning.”

    The article you linked says “YouTube and Sky News have both refused to reveal which Sky News content was removed when the search engine imposed a seven-day ban on the Murdoch-owned broadcaster.”

    Exactly(!) what I said. However, the super-sleuths at the Grauniad think they have cracked the case! You’ll excuse me if I don’t take their word for anything.

    Where’s the

  132. Tom R permalink
    August 3, 2021 9:57 pm

    However, the super-sleuths at the Grauniad think they have cracked the case!

    Which would be why they said, explicitly

    “YouTube and Sky News have both refused to reveal which Sky News content was removed when the search engine imposed a seven-day ban on the Murdoch-owned broadcaster.”

    But they did highlight youtubes reason

    “YouTube said “specifically, we don’t allow content that denies the existence of Covid-19 or that encourages people to use hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin to treat or prevent the virus”.”

    But as far as ACMA is concerned, lies are fine for ‘news’, so maybe don’t get the industry to police itself ffs 😦

    But the lies are fine for the likes of tosy, whereas truths from the opposite side of politics are fine to be shut down. So excuse me if I doubt this ‘free speech’ crap. This strikes closer to home than any empty protestations about peoples ‘rights’ ( as long as they are of the right, right 😉 )

    The end goal of rightwing extremists is to spur the downfall of democracy. They benefit from chaos and distrust.

    And if people think this sounds far-fetched, remember the thousands that gathered to assault the seat of American democracy because they believed an election had been stolen.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2021/aug/03/australia-politics-live-labor-cash-vaccine-parliament-anthony-albanese-scott-morrison-sydney-outbreak-westmead-hospital?page=with:block-6108d6368f0811859febc0cc#block-6108d6368f0811859febc0cc

  133. ivi permalink
    August 4, 2021 4:22 am

    (How are my orbiting teapots. Still flying in formation l hope. ..

    Oh, you know how it is….

    ————

    Some people, if you let them, would even have this beautiful piece of music banned!

    Nah; not content with poking each other in the ear drums, the fraternising thugby players huddled together in their makeshift babble-bubble to commit to a de facto circle jerk of spit(s)-swapping(s); prophylaxis, however, is no spoof; which, perhaps, is why, depending on field and context, (incitement of) (in)discriminate) spitting, like any other body contact sport, could be classified as offensive, even in the (moral-)legal sense?)

  134. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2021 9:13 am

    But the lies are fine for the likes of tosy, whereas truths from the opposite side of politics are fine to be shut down.

    Says a lying liar!

    That is called a straw-man argument, where you invent something somebody supposedly said or thinks, then criticise them for it.

    Try quoting anything I actually said, ever, that would support that bullshit statement.

    I’ll wait.

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2021 9:30 am

    The health department is refusing to say how much it is paying a public relations firm to email a copy of the Covid-19 vaccination data displayed on its website to media outlets each day.

    The department, which has its own media and communications team, has contracted PR firm Cox Inall Communications to take a copy of its daily PDF of vaccination data, attach it to an email, and send it to media outlets.

    The PR firm does not provide any additional detail on the vaccine rollout or present the data in a less rigid format than PDF, which often frustrates researchers and data analysts.

    Work for your mates … which Liberal pollie has links to the “PR” company? I wonder?

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2021 9:31 am

    blockquote>Sky News Australia has purged several videos promoting unproven Covid-19 treatments from its YouTube page ahead of the scheduled lifting of its suspension from the platform.

  137. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 9:45 am

    where you invent something somebody supposedly said or thinks

    Oh, so you were vociferous in your defense of Unions being fined for trying to protect lives, or people being arrested for highlighting the rorting going on in Government?

    I’m sure you evidence of that which you will be happy to provide.

    I’ll wait 😉

  138. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2021 9:58 am

    I’m sure you evidence of that which you will be happy to provide

    You’ve gone from “But the lies are fine for the likes of tosy, whereas truths from the opposite side of politics are fine to be shut down”

    to

    “Boo hoo, you didn’t comment vociferously enough on issues I randomly pick as some kind of test of your integrity!”

    Piss fucking weak!

  139. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 10:29 am

    Boo hoo, you didn’t comment vociferously enough

    Try at all.Instead, we get ” Must be a lefty vanity project.” in place of , “What, they arrested a guy who helped expose potential corruption?”

    https://theguttertrash.com/2021/06/29/the-morrison-govts-covid-response-is-nothing-short-of-a-fucking-disgrace/#comment-187405

    Sky News Australia has purged

    FREE SPEECH! Oh, hang on, they are stifling their own speech? lol

  140. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 4, 2021 11:07 am

    Sky News Australia has purged several videos promoting unproven Covid-19 treatments from its YouTube page ahead of the scheduled lifting of its suspension from the platform

    This suggests that Youtube like Twitter is a leftie organisation. Or Youtube get lots of complaints from lefties about Skynews.

    I have been banned from Twitter and The Guardian. I did make some angry posts and should have been more polite.

    But i guess you get banned when some leftie makes a complaint.

  141. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2021 11:48 am

    Instead, we get ” Must be a lefty vanity project.”

    That’s the best you can come up with? 🙄 BTW, who is/are FriendlyJordies, or, more to the point, who bankrolls them?

    You do know, for example, that ‘ThePRGuy’ you so proudly link to is an account run by Hawker Britton, the Labor pollsters?

  142. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 12:06 pm

    who is/are FriendlyJordies, or, more to the point, who bankrolls them?

    Isn’t that irrelevant. Isn’t what is relevant is that his producer was arrested by the guy they were exposing. Isn’t that the definition of stifling free speech?

    But you didn’t give a shit, in fact, you mocked them

    So I ask, do you care about ‘free speech’, or the rights right to not be right?

  143. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2021 12:12 pm

    Isn’t what is relevant is that his producer was arrested by the guy they were exposing.

    Okay, I’ll play along. I didn’t follow this as closely as you did, evidently.

    First I need to establish the facts. Who exactly was arrested, who by, and what for? Has anyone been charged with anything?

  144. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 12:29 pm

    [facepalm]

  145. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 12:30 pm

  146. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2021 12:31 pm

    [facepalm]

    Okay, fuck it. Don’t ask me about it again.

  147. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 12:42 pm

    Don’t ask me about it again.

    Agh, I’ve been SILENCED! 🙂

  148. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 4, 2021 12:45 pm

    This is Mark Lathams take

  149. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 1:12 pm

    lol

  150. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 1:53 pm

    You have already ignored it previously, you are free to keep ignoring it tosy. It just doesn’t help your ‘free speech’ mantra a lot 😉

    https://theguttertrash.com/2021/06/03/the-bizarre-life-and-times-of-christian-porter/#comment-186670

  151. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2021 2:22 pm

    I’ll try once more. For the last time. Has anyone been charged with a crime? If so, what are the charges?

  152. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 2:47 pm

    Has anyone been charged with a crime? I

    The producer of jordies show was arrested, by the Fixated Persons Unit, for ‘allegedly’ stalking bruz.

    For the stalking, they listed two occasions, which apparently constitutes ‘stalking’ (bruz is a public politician ffs). One was to ask him about their allegations of corruption, the other, was when the producer tried to get bruz to fix his stupid defamation document, which listed bruzes home address as parliament house lol

    And the fpu arrested the producer that very night.

  153. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 2:48 pm

    I would also just like to point out that while Scott Morrison speaks about there being “freedom of speech in this country” his government is working to gag charities from speaking out on issues it deems political, or face financial consequences.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2021/aug/04/australia-covid-live-update-nsw-south-west-sydney-apartment-block-lockdown-covid-outbreak-vaccination-target-incentives-politics-scott-morrison?page=with:block-610a14f88f089093df87383d#block-610a14f88f089093df87383d

    Anything to add tosy? 😉

  154. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2021 2:51 pm

    Was this person, the ‘producer’, charged (not arrested) with any crime(s).

  155. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2021 2:57 pm

    Anything to add tosy? 😉

    What are the details? You linked to some Guardian hack’s running commentary/opinion. I’m not commenting based on that.🙄

  156. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 3:03 pm

    Ah, so it’s fine to go around arresting people, it’s only an issue if they charge them?

    Is this your take on it (to my knowledge, nothing has happened yet, which makes it worst)

    You have to remember, these are the people who found out about a defamation action from bruz through the papers, and spent the next couple of weeks trying to find out if this was true or not. And, once they finally got served, called out the bullshit about them not being able to approach anyone about it

  157. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 3:06 pm

    government is working to gag charities from speaking out on issues it deems political, or face financial consequences.

    That sentence alone doesn’t pique you’re interest? Yet some backwater vlog gets shafted from youtube for a week, and it’s the end of free speech as we know it. lol

  158. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2021 3:12 pm

    Ah, so it’s fine to go around arresting people, it’s only an issue if they charge them?

    FFS! I’m trying to find out what fucking happened. Are you that thick? Remember, this is your pet project, not mine.

  159. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2021 3:15 pm

    That sentence alone doesn’t pique you’re interest?

    That sentence is a Guardian hack’s opinion. What are the details?!

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2021 3:23 pm

    Hi, guys …. 🙂

  161. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 3:38 pm

    lol TB

    FFS! I’m trying to find out what fucking happened.

    “The producer of jordies show was arrested, by the Fixated Persons Unit, for ‘allegedly’ stalking bruz.

    For the stalking, they listed two occasions, which apparently constitutes ‘stalking’ (bruz is a public politician ffs). One was to ask him about their allegations of corruption, the other, was when the producer tried to get bruz to fix his stupid defamation document, which listed bruzes home address as parliament house lol

    And the fpu arrested the producer that very night.”

    (Or you can follow any of the multiple links I have put up, OR, you could simply google it)

  162. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 3:57 pm

    So, the armed forces are just another political tool for morrison to abuse

  163. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 4:21 pm

    “Why couldn’t you just say that?”

    Because I honestly didn’t know, hence when I said to my knowledge, nothing has happened yet

  164. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 4:25 pm

    This is why we should be worried too tosy

    “It was outrageous that he was even arrested under these circumstances. They could well have dealt with this as they deal with every other citizen, with an AVO warning or ask him to him to the police station,” he said.

    “To invade him, to throw him on the floor, to put him in handcuffs, and then to barge into his house, his mother is traumatised … as is his girlfriend … and his poor dog. Anything can go wrong when you send in what is effectively a counter-terrorism unit to execute a very minor charge. Things can go seriously wrong.”

    Similar happens to the Unions (with associated tipped off media presence). It’s pure intimidation. And it’s far worst than a tech platform slapping you on the wrist for continually breaking their terms of service.

    Yet we only hear cries of concern when one thing happens, otherwise, it’s smart ass cracks about the victim, or full on support for the Gestapo against Unions

  165. Tony permalink
    August 4, 2021 4:28 pm

    Yet we only hear cries of concern when one thing happens, otherwise, it’s smart ass cracks about the victim, or full on support for the Gestapo against Unions

    More verbal diarrhoea!

    This person has been charged with two crimes. It’s now up to the courts to work it out.

  166. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 4:37 pm

    This person has been charged with two crimes

    But even if he is found guilty (let’s face it, if the FPU can be called out within a matter of hours to arrest a youtube producer for attempting to get a court document fixed, I don’t hold out much hope for any further ‘justice’, isn’t the arrest itself way over the top?

    And stalking … they had 2 interactions lol

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2021 5:01 pm

    A reminder …

    In the months after Hitler took power, SA and Gestapo View This Term in the Glossary agents went from door to door looking for Hitler’s enemies. They arrested Socialists, Communists, trade union leaders, and others who had spoken out against the Nazi Party; some were murdered. By the summer of 1933, the Nazi Party was the only legal political party in Germany. Nearly all organized opposition to the regime had been eliminated. Democracy was dead in Germany.

    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-terror-begins

  168. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 4, 2021 5:57 pm

    And stalking … they had 2 interactions lol

    None of us know the full story but it sounds like the stalking and harassment went on for months perhaps years. I had the misfortune to see one of friendlyjordies Youtube clips and he was begging to be sued.

    Stalking is a crime in this country. I am going to go with Mark Lathams point of view until i know better

    PS TB, if you were being stalked what would you do??

  169. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 6:32 pm

    None of us know the full story but it sounds like the stalking and harassment went on for months perhaps years

    It mentioned there were only two incidents in the story nil

    The arrest related to two incidents. The first allegedly occurred at a Macquarie University Politics in the Pub event, where the deputy premier was speaking.

    Police said Shanks, dressed as the video game character Luigi, approached Barilaro and introduced Langker as his lawyer, shouting: “Why are you suing us, why are you suing us?”

    The second is alleged to have occurred just hours before Langker’s arrest. In charges filed in the court, police said Barilaro was returning to his car after the funeral of rugby league immortal Bob Fulton in Sydney when Langker approached him and began asking: “Deputy premier, why are you suing my boss?”

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/24/friendlyjordies-producer-pleads-not-guilty-to-stalking-and-intimidating-john-barilaro

    I mean, it would be like the chaser getting arrested for following abbott around asking him about pell. They were simpler times 🙂

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2021 6:36 pm

    PS TB, if you were being stalked what would you do??

    Thanks for asking, Kneel …

    Totally ignore anything Mark Latham said …

    As for the stalker … you don’t want to know

    Were you planning something?

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2021 6:39 pm

    I mean, it would be like the chaser getting arrested for following abbott around asking him about pell. They were simpler times

    And simpler people … but just as dodgy … why weren’t they arrested – I want to know, The Vatican is still running the country!

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2021 6:40 pm

    Oh! That’s why! Apologies … 😈

  173. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 6:45 pm

    why weren’t they arrested

    We weren’t that Gestapo’d up yet.

  174. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 6:46 pm

    Meanwhile, they are all secret squirrel over their corruption.

  175. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 4, 2021 7:13 pm

    TomR

    Friendlyjordies has been stalking the MP for months. perhaps years. The two encounters you are talking about appear to be two encounters mainly with his producer and the MP.

    Apparently both are now being sued, friendlyjordies and his producer.

    In the first encounter why did jordies ask “”””””Why are you suing us, why are you suing us?””””

    If he asked why is he being sued in the first encounter there must be a reason. The reason is he has been stalking the MP for months

  176. Tom R permalink
    August 4, 2021 9:45 pm

    nil

    Learn to read.

  177. Tony permalink
    August 5, 2021 11:30 am

    Currently obsessing over this:

  178. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 5, 2021 12:32 pm

    What i am obsessing over is i want a haircut and all the barbers in Sydney are shut

  179. Tony permalink
    August 5, 2021 4:29 pm

    Victoria back in lockdown! Thanks Dan.🙄

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2021 6:25 pm

    Currently obsessing over this:

    Explains a lot of your comments … 😎

    (Enjoid et! Men! BooM BooM!)

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2021 6:26 pm

    Victoria back in lockdown! Thanks Dan.

    Let us know when your running for Premier …

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2021 6:30 pm

    Let us know when you’re running for Premier …

    Before fkn Tom turns up!

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2021 6:36 pm

    Gaslighting my arse! This is trading people’s lives!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/05/pure-gaslighting-regional-nsw-residents-furious-as-covid-spreads-after-vaccines-redirected-to-sydney-students

    So all those Apocalypse films and TV shows were very fkn accurate … !!!!

  184. Tony permalink
    August 5, 2021 6:43 pm

    Let us know when your running for Premier …

    Wow, great comeback. 🙄

  185. August 5, 2021 6:51 pm

    “Wow, great comeback.”

    Wow, great comeback. 🙄

  186. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 5, 2021 7:37 pm

    Echolalia!

  187. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2021 7:43 pm

    Remember when Gillard was supposedly such an ’embarrassment’ because she was single and childless?

  188. Tony permalink
    August 5, 2021 8:52 pm

    Wow, great comeback. 🙄

    Same.

    Maybe I should have just pointed out there’s no such thing as “running for premier”. 🤔

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2021 10:44 pm

    Wow, great comeback.

    Well thanks …

    Maybe I should have just pointed out there’s no such thing as “running for premier”.

    Picky …

    Well … you run for election (comes from run a campaign) … then you run for leadership of the party … ya don’t apply for the job …

    I would have thought that didn’t need to be explained here … fuck my crayon just snapped! 😎

  190. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2021 6:47 am

    “fuck my crayon

    Don’t do that, TB. If you wiggle it too hard rather than ease it gently out of your sphincter it might just snap!

  191. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 10:00 am

    I’m still trying figure out if this is satire, much like splats last post 😉

  192. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 10:14 am

    btw, I see morrison continues to lie with impunity during parliament

  193. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 10:55 am

    btw, I see morrison continues to lie with impunity during parliament

    Well he must not get away with it! There’s such a thing as “Deliberately misleading the house”. Why don’t you alert your heroes in the Labor party? Aren’t they paying attention to Twitter?

    https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/House_of_Representatives/Powers_practice_and_procedure/practice5/chapter19#del

  194. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 11:27 am

    Hard when it’s a protection racket tosy. This is why it’s frustrating watching people complain about the right for a news organisation to lie, while our politicians get away with it in a place that it’s not supposed to happen.

    If the speaker allows it, it is allowed.

  195. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 11:29 am

    If you didn’t think the pm trying to deny he shat his pants at maccas was a low point, welcome to today 😦

  196. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2021 11:30 am

    Why don’t you alert your heroes in the Labor party?”

    They alerted him – in the ALP talking points memo he slavishly regurgitates each day.

  197. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 11:59 am

    They alerted him – in the ALP talking points memo he slavishly regurgitates each day.

    Makes sense. It’s much easier to keep their twitter trolls screeching than do anything about the alleged lying in actual parliament.

  198. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 12:00 pm

    Yes splats, my little memo told me to watch out for scumo making a tool of himself in front of other national leaders lol

  199. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 12:22 pm

    the alleged lying in actual parliament.

    I even gave you the link ffs 😦

  200. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 12:25 pm

    even gave you the link ffs 😦

    Lol. I’m not trolling I mean trawling through Hansard. Just give us the details!

  201. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 12:27 pm

    (Why does everything have to be like pulling teeth with you?)

  202. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 12:31 pm

    He claimed Albo had ignored Frewen, when Frewen had in fact blown him offf (he detailed it in the previous the days parliament too)

    He then repeated it in the link I gave you, with a simple search a toddler could achieve. And the speaker was like ‘meh’

  203. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 12:38 pm

    Who the fuck is Frewen?

  204. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 12:41 pm

    Give us the relevant quotes. I’m on mobile and yes, I can’t (or don’t know how) to search a pdf on iphone.

  205. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 12:44 pm

    Mr MORRISON: That is what leaders do. They work with each other. It is the standard process for
    Commonwealth governments to engage in High Court cases involving those types of matters, as the previous
    government would’ve done and any other government has done. As the issue unfolded I discussed the matter with
    Premier McGowan and I worked through the issues with Premier McGowan. We took the decision, which we
    thought was in the best interest of the country and of Western Australia.
    I know the Labor Party wants to only look at things going back; I understand that. I understand that. But what
    they will not acknowledge is that where there are issues that have to be turned around and addressed and fixed,
    that’s exactly what we’re doing. That’s exactly what we’re doing. So last night I was on the phone to a Labor
    Premier in Queensland and a Liberal Premier in New South Wales, as I am regularly, working through the issues.
    During the course of this last week, I’ve been working with the Western Australian Premier, working with the
    minister for transport and working with the assistant minister for transport, to resolve important issues regarding
    crews on ships entering Western Australia. We work every single day with the premiers and the chief ministers to
    work through the national response to COVID, which is to save lives and to save livelihoods. That’s what the
    government is doing. That’s what the state and territory governments are doing.
    What the Labor Party is doing is politicising a health crisis for their own gain, and the Australian people can
    see it. Every single day: undermining the national vaccine program, undermining partnership, constant negativity.
    This is a leader of the Labor Party who couldn’t even be bothered to come to Canberra to meet with the head of—
    The SPEAKER: No, the Prime Minister—
    Mr Dreyfus: Withdraw!
    The SPEAKER: The member for Isaacs is warned! I have said to the Prime Minister on a number of
    occasions that it is not an opportunity for him to launch a political attack on the Leader of the Opposition when
    he’s been asked a specific question by a private member about a specific issue. I’m making that very clear. The
    Leader of the Opposition?
    Mr Albanese: Yes, Mr Speaker, on a point of order. It goes to the standing orders and your previous rulings
    about when a personal explanation has been given, outlining the facts. I outlined the facts regarding Lieutenant
    General Frewen yesterday, including the details that are there in emails: the fact that my office did not hear from
    them between 25 June and 20 July; the fact that a briefing was offered for this parliamentary sitting week; the fact
    that I offered three dates—two on Tuesday, one on Thursday—in accordance with the request; and that the health
    minister’s chief of staff responded, accepting, saying: ‘Let’s lock in 4 pm on Thursday. Invite to follow.’ The Prime
    Minister has twice during this question time repeated something that he should know is untrue and that is untrue,
    and I ask him to withdraw.
    Mr Morrison interjecting—
    The SPEAKER: I just say to the Prime Minister that it is not a question under that standing order of being
    asked for a withdrawal. That’s not right. I’m very familiar with the standing order. I say to the Prime Minister that
    saying he is not going to withdraw is very unhelpful for the debate. I’m saying that is very unhelpful, when I’m
    seeking to rule. As it happens, on this occasion the point of order raised by the Leader of the Opposition would
    not warrant a withdrawal because there’s a specific standing order. But I’m making the general point: if the chair
    does ask for a withdrawal, then that has to happen.
    Now, I’m going to rule on the standing order. This is a problematic standing order, as I’ve said before. This was
    introduced in 2013 by the then Leader of the House. And what that standing order essentially says is that if a
    claim has been made and a personal explanation has been taken, that claim cannot be repeated. That is what that
    standing order says, and that is what former Prime Minister Abbott and former Leader of the House, Mr Pyne,
    introduced, citing a whole lot of instances in opposition. I will say I was in a different seat, where the Prime
    Minister at the time, then Leader of the Opposition, kept making personal explanations about health spending.
    Frankly, when the standing order was introduced, I thought it was problematic. The then Speaker, Bronwyn
    Bishop, thought it was problematic and said so. But that standing order is there. What it requires, of course, is for
    the Speaker to have heard it and to have heard all the material. As it happens, I have heard that and so, under that
    standing order, I don’t think that claim can be made again unless there’s new information. The Prime Minister.
    Mr Morrison: I am happy to do this through another form of the House at the conclusion of question time
    because I believe the Leader of the Opposition has misrepresented the claim that I have made. I have made no
    suggestion about the arrangements for this week. I have simply made the point that Lieutenant General Frewen
    has been in the role since the start of June and at no time over June or in early July did the Leader of the
    Opposition seek to be informed by him, and that’s a fact.
    The SPEAKER: I’m just going to say to the Prime Minister that one of the reasons we are discussing this is
    because he has ignored my earlier rulings about attacking the Leader of the Opposition when he hasn’t asked the
    question and the subject of the question is not about him. So I’ve now made that point for a fourth time. Let’s
    move on with question time and see where we end up. The member for Bass.

  206. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 1:06 pm

    Let me see if I understand tjis correctly:

    Morrison says Albo didn’t didn’t meet with Frewen. Albo says he did try to, and made a member’s statement. Morrison repeated the claim next day. Dreyfuss and Albo lose their shit. Speaker rules under ‘problematic’ standing order. Morrison repeats ckaum thet “at no time in June or early July did he [Albo] seek to be informed by [Frewen]”. Albo insists he’s been misrepresented. Morrison maintains he hasn’t.

    That about right?

  207. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 1:11 pm

    That about right?

    Well, except for the bit about ‘maintains’ he’s been misrepresented, when he detailed the day before how he had tried to meet, but yea, that’s the gist.

    If you note this bit

    “This is a leader of the Labor Party who couldn’t even be bothered to come to Canberra to meet with the head of”

  208. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 1:26 pm

    Oh hang on, that was last week.

  209. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 1:30 pm

    Oh hang on, that was last week.

    It was almost like he forgot they shared a border with infestation land 😉

  210. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 1:31 pm

    Actually, no, it was this week, 8:51am on Wednesday the 4th. By 8pm Thursday 5th August, 36 hours later we were back in lockdown! Premature victory lap much?

    [Hang on, can I criticise Dan Andrews if I’m not “running for Premier”? Soo confusing.]

  211. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 1:37 pm

    Yes he does.

  212. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 1:38 pm

    Hang on, can I criticise Dan Andrews if I’m not “running for Premier”?

    You can. Watching you make a fool of yourself is mildly entertaining on a Friday afternoon 😉

    I see you’ve given up defending the liar from the shire 😉

  213. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 1:42 pm

    I see you’ve given up defending the liar from the shire 😉

    Nothing to defend. It’s a he said she said. Yawn.

  214. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 1:43 pm

    I’m signing an executive order with a target of electrifying 50% of all vehicles sold by 2030.

    Yeah, that’ll work.🙄

  215. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 1:44 pm

    “target” 😂🤣

  216. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 1:48 pm

    If Biden was serious (he isn’t) and not just pissing in the pockets of climate change activists (he is), he’d “mandate” 50% EVs by 2030 (he won’t).

  217. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 1:50 pm

    So, blatant lying in parliament, with evidence to prove it is a lie, is now just a ‘he said. she said.’ lol

  218. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 1:51 pm

    he’d “mandate” 50% EVs by 2030

    He won’t need to 😉

    https://www.gmc.com/electric/hummer-ev

  219. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 1:56 pm

    He won’t need to 😉

    Whatever youse reckon.🤣

  220. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 2:03 pm

    So, blatant lying in parliament, with evidence to prove it is a lie, is now just a ‘he said. she said.’ lol

    Show me the member’s statement. There’s no “evidence” in the Hansard above.

  221. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 2:03 pm

    So, you agree with me then tosy, good.

  222. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 2:06 pm

    “As it happens, I have heard that and so, under that
    standing order, I don’t think that claim can be made again unless there’s new information. ”

    fer tosy, he said what she said 😉

  223. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 2:07 pm

    So, you agree with me then tosy, good.

    Whatever. I’d rather have a bet on it, but I don’t like my chances of being paid.

  224. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 2:09 pm

    but I don’t like my chances of being paid.

    What, ‘he said, she said’ aint good enough for ya anymore?

  225. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 2:13 pm

    That standing order says if a member makes a ‘personal explanation’ about something that was said about them in parliament, that claim can’t be made again. The speaker thinks that standing order is “problematic”, and did so when it was introduced, oresumably because no evidence is required to make such an explanation. It’s just a ‘he said she said’.

  226. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 2:15 pm

    What, ‘he said, she said’ aint good enough for ya anymore?

    Not from a Labor twitter troll, no.

  227. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 2:29 pm

    The speaker thinks that standing order is “problematic”

    Yes, this is what I mean by, the speaker defends them.

    https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Hansard/Hansard_Display?bid=chamber/hansardr/d2a0f40a-fc81-4b4c-bbd0-dbd1daa74358/&sid=0000

  228. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 2:40 pm

    ” I outlined the facts regarding Lieutenant
    General Frewen yesterday, including the details that are there in emails: ”

    I’m not too sure how much evidence is required of you tosy, but I can do this all afternoon. I need my entertainment 🙂

  229. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 2:52 pm

    ” I outlined the facts regarding Lieutenant
    General Frewen yesterday, including the details that are there in emails: ”

    HE. SAID.

  230. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 2:58 pm

    HIS EMAILS SAID!

    ” including the details that are there in emails”

  231. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 3:18 pm

    ” including the details that are there in emails”

    So you have a link to those emails then? (You know, the actual evidence*, not just what HE SAID.)

    *Ever heard of the ‘rules of evidence’?

  232. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 3:37 pm

    “I don’t think that claim can be made again unless there’s new information”

    The speaker accepts it.

    But scumo just repeats the lie, and the speaker just says (wtte) ‘maybe don’t, hey’

  233. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 3:42 pm

    This reminds me of a ‘free speech’ thingy recently 🙂

  234. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 3:44 pm

    The speaker accepts it.

    Not really. He accepts it as the standing order, but says -and has always said – it is “problematic”, precisely because an MP can make one of these explanations without presenting the actual evidence, and everyone else is subsequently restrained by it.

  235. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 4:45 pm

    No tosy, he accepts the standing order (whatever it is, something from 2013) is “problematic”, he has accepted Albo’s statement as fact, therefore, for these purposes, it is fact. If others want to disagree, they need to make a statement.

    But the pm didn’t make a statement, he simply regurgitated his smear, which is now a proven lie.

  236. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 5:01 pm

    which is now a proven lie

    No, it is not. The speaker accepts that under the standing order as it is written, and with which he has serious concerns, the particular claim cannot be made again after an MP has delivered a personal (no evidence required) explanation.

    Nowhere has the speaker said, nor is he required to say, that what Albo claims is the truth, or what Morrison claims is a lie.

    He is reluctantly following the letter if the standing order that Morrison’s claim should not be repeated.

    That is all.

  237. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 5:07 pm

    The speaker accepts that under the standing order as it is written, and with which he has serious concerns, the particular claim cannot be made again after an MP has delivered a personal (no evidence required) explanation

    Even if you accept that, he repeated it. He made the claim earlier in week, Albo put up his explanation, then he repeated it yesterday. Albo’s statement is easily verified. and it disproves morrisons claim. Which he then repeated

  238. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 5:07 pm

    Anyhow, some good news tonight. Sky News has been released from its You Tube suspension. Apparently they were the victim of ‘mass-flagging’ attacks, where rabid leftist groups coordinate multiple complaints, or flagging, against selected videos or content. Sky News was cancelled, in other words.

  239. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 5:15 pm

    Albo’s statement is easily verified.

    So verify it.

    and it disproves morrisons claim.

    Of it were true. But we don’t know that, do we, because we haven’t seen the emails – aka the evidence.

  240. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 5:17 pm

    Cool, now sky can get back to trying to outdo our pm in the lying race (IT IS A RACE!)

    Sky News who “has been released from its You Tube suspension” was cancelled,

    lol tossy, thanks for that, and enjoy the weak end

  241. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2021 6:12 pm

    Don’t do that, TB. If you wiggle it too hard rather than ease it gently out of your sphincter it might just snap!

    Thanks for the advice, SB, we don’t all live like you – and thank christ for that … 😶

    Why is there a wiggly red line under christ?

  242. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2021 6:14 pm

    btw, I see morrison continues to lie with impunity during parliament

    Tip of the icebug!

  243. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2021 6:18 pm

    Who the fuck is Frewen?

    FFS! Keep up … this is a fst moving blog! Just ask the Blogmeister … WTF is reb?

  244. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2021 6:20 pm

    I’m on mobile …

    Chuckle …

  245. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2021 6:22 pm

    I think it’s great that companies like SPC are pushing vaccination.
    So I’ve just been to the local store and bought 4 cans of spaghetti, and I don’t even eat canned spaghetti! Maybe the dog will like it

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2021 6:24 pm

    Mr MORRISON: That is what leaders do.

    Then it got S.L.O.W.

    Shades of the Canadian Bear! (In joke for GT oldies)

  247. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2021 6:24 pm

    Let me see if I understand tjis correctly:

    Morrison says Albo didn’t didn’t meet with Frewen.

    Uncle Dan’s …

  248. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2021 6:27 pm

    [Hang on, can I criticise Dan Andrews if I’m not “running for Premier”? Soo confusing.]

    Never did understand cynicism … little lone spell it! 👽

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2021 6:30 pm

    … he’d “mandate” 50% EVs by 2030 (he won’t).

    Actually it should be 100% … by mmmm 2026

  250. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2021 6:34 pm

    EVs in Australia will be the second car in Australia for decades. People drive for their vacations, and tow trailers or caravans. They drive for a few hours to go away for the weekend.
    The distances and infrastructure requirements will take a long time. Hybrid vehicles will be the preferred model

  251. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2021 6:43 pm

    Apparently they were the victim of ‘mass-flagging’ attacks, where rabid leftist groups coordinate multiple complaints, or flagging, against selected videos or content. Sky News was cancelled, in other words.

    But no-one attacked a parliament or government building it was done passively and — legally … under DEMOCRATIC process … I’m ashamed to call myself a Republican these days!~!!

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2021 6:44 pm

    Anyhow, some good news tonight. Sky News has been released from its You Tube suspension.

    Well let’s hope they re-start with the TRUTH!

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2021 6:51 pm

    I think it’s great that companies like SPC are pushing vaccination.
    So I’ve just been to the local store and bought 4 cans of spaghetti, and I don’t even eat canned spaghetti! Maybe the dog will like it

    So do I … but I don’t buy their spaghetti! Try their fruits instead.

    The point is that millions of other Australians do … all food production companies should follow SPCs lead …

    We have had both AZ vaccinations … and we follow the rules … we have family in our street we haven’t seen for over three weeks … because we have a protocol of isolating with “flu” for many years …

    ALL of youse …. stay safe and enjoy what you can (sorry ToM!) …

  254. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2021 6:56 pm

    because we have a protocol of isolating with “flu” for many years …

    That sound s so silly!

    For many years if a household has “flu” we have always isolated and helped each other – eg food supplies/meds – errands … it don’t go on for years!

  255. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 6, 2021 8:18 pm

    Apparently they were the victim of ‘mass-flagging’ attacks, where rabid leftist groups coordinate multiple complaints, or flagging, against selected videos or content. Sky News was cancelled, in other words.

    I guess that is what happened to me when the lefties got me banned from Twitter and The Guardian

  256. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 8:35 pm

    Thanks Dan!

  257. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2021 9:54 pm

    The distances and infrastructure requirements will take a long time.

    Never with this mob of dinosaurs running the show. Meanwhile, the rest of the world moves ahead.

    I see tosy is happy with the pm knowingly lying about events that have passed, in parliament no less, but wants to concentrate on visions that didn’t eventuate (mainly because gladys and slomo fucked up so completely)

    I guess that’s his ‘free speech’ ?

    Here’s a friendly dude using his free speech to highlight how corrupt politicians are. the 4 minute mark is revealing.

  258. Tony permalink
    August 6, 2021 10:39 pm

    I see tosy is happy with the pm knowingly lying about events that have passed, in parliament no less

    Fuck you! I spent all afternoon explaining this to you. Never again! You’re a dishonest, time-wasting cvnt!

  259. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2021 6:49 am

    “Fuck you! I spent all afternoon explaining this to you. Never again! You’re a dishonest, time-wasting cvnt!”

    We all know that is the truth ToSy. But it is a points victory to TomR for inducing the rage. We are talking about a world-class troll here.

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2021 10:44 am

    There are many trolls … 👹

    And many bridges to cross … 😶

    I spent all afternoon explaining this to you.

    I know the feeling …

    I have spare crayons … do you have a colour preference? 😊

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2021 9:36 am

    Anyone else completed their 2021 Census?

  262. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 8, 2021 9:37 am

    “Why is there a wiggly red line under christ?”

    Because, obviously ignorant of the conventions of English useage, you forgot that the first letter of a person’s name is capitalised.

    Unless of course you are reb of Melbourne in which case in which case only the last name has its first letter capitalised. Come to think of it reb and ToM both have the same surname. Hmmm.

  263. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 8, 2021 9:38 am

    “Anyone else completed their 2021 Census?”

    We have.

  264. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2021 11:43 am

    Because, obviously ignorant of the conventions of English useage, you forgot that the first letter of a person’s name is capitalised.

    LOL! Unless you are a believer … not ignorant, not forgetful … cheeky tho’ 😛

    Melbourne is a surname … actually from my birthplace (from memory) …

  265. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2021 11:45 am

    Because, obviously ignorant

    Did someone mention Trolls 👹 😁

  266. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 9, 2021 7:18 am

    Having completely fucked up Venezuela with socialist policies it now seems that even these dumbest of leftists are winding back some of their most debilitating measures: Venezuela Backs Away From Price Controls as Citizens Go Hungry

    Phlatulent Phil Adams will no doubt be disappointed that socialist policies are being reversed. It wasn’t that long ago that the stupid old cunt wanted the mongrel Chavez to come over here to teach us his wonderful version of socialism.

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    August 9, 2021 10:38 am

    Extreme left = Communism …

    Extreme right = Fascism …

    Thank Goodness … most of us are neither …

    But why do our Parliaments still say the lord’s prayer? In a secular society?

    Like fascism and communism religions of all shapes and sizes have extremes … religions of course focus on the right wings of politics … the USA is smothered in christianity …

  268. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 9, 2021 12:24 pm

    Totally facile analysis, TB. A plague on both your houses and then I don’t have to think anymore.

    The whole left/right paradigm is trite. There are leftists and then there are the rest. If you knew your history you would know that the fascist movements in Italy and Germany were leftist in origin. In the West they were supported by progressivees of the day. There was massive sibling rivalry between the fascists and the other leftists. They were originally on the same page with the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. In the west Commo dogs supported both Hitler and Stalin.

    A better analysis would look at the continuum of liberty from totalitarian regimes to anarchy. The sweet spot is where freedom of speech, rule of law and representative government intersect. Cancel culture is a step away from all three.

    The new extremist religions are the cults of critical race theory and transgenderism.

  269. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 9, 2021 12:35 pm

    And so civilisation dies:

  270. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2021 1:33 pm

    I spent all afternoon explaining this to you.

    Actually, that’s what I did. You still seem to think that it’s all ‘he said she said, when it clearly isn’t

    I explained how Albanese had put on record, his statement events

    NOBODY has called him out on that, not even the Speaker, who has accepted his statement. He just relies on some ambiguous standing order from when the libs first got back in in 2013 to fob them off, but the pm has been called out, continually, for his statements, he just keeps making them

    If he isn’t lying, Albo would be in rather big shit for making not one, but two false statements to the Parliament. Instead, the pm can lie with impunity because he’s protected by some ambiguous standing order, a statement to the Parliament is a big deal, and if he is wrong, would suffer severely for it.

    But you keep protecting ‘your team’ from a proven lie, while accusing people proven to be telling truth of lying

    You will thrive in this post truth age. 😉

  271. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2021 1:53 pm

    Truthiness splats, you and yer mates have got it worked out 😉

  272. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 9, 2021 2:23 pm

    Truth is, TomR, the Antifa mongrels were aggressively trying to shut down an event which dumb lying Antifa apologists now allege was not a Christian rally. Even if that were true, it doesn’t detract from my comment. Antifa are no different than Nazi brownshirts harassing people they don’t like.

    They are the muscle for those who want to destroy civilisation.

  273. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2021 2:53 pm

    It’ss a wonderful world where fascist rallies arecalled ‘Christian Prayer Meetings”

    cos hitler was a socialist don’t ya know?

  274. TB Queensland permalink
    August 9, 2021 4:14 pm

    Totally facile analysis, TB. A plague on both your houses and then I don’t have to think anymore* … The new extremist religions are the cults of critical race theory and transgenderism.

    You really need to re-read the stuff you think you know …

    You are aware that The Vatican was established by fascist leadership … and the Pope supported the Nazis … something I doubt Communists would have done … in that era.

    The whole left/right paradigm is trite. There are leftists and then there are the rest.

    The rest? And you called my comment “facile” … I won’t attempt to argue against serious brainwashing … I suppose it was everyone else who invaded the Whitehouse?

    *Not sure you ever have … regurgitating propaganda isn’t thinking

    BTW don’t get confused with the concepts of political systems and the thugs who have and are manipulating the systems … Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Putin, Xi Jingping, Trump …

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    August 9, 2021 4:16 pm

    https://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Fascism

    While communism is a system based around a theory of economic equality and advocates for a classless society, fascism is a nationalistic, top-down system with rigid class roles that is ruled by an all-powerful dictator. Both communism and fascism originated in Europe and gained popularity in the early to mid 20th century.

  276. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 9, 2021 4:23 pm

    It’s a wonderful world where Antifa gets to beat up people saying things they don’t like.

  277. TB Queensland permalink
    August 9, 2021 4:35 pm

    They are the muscle for those who want to destroy civilisation.

    And the Proud Boys are? Lovely christian lads?

    Extremes are extremes … democracy does work … capitalism does work … they fail from extreme right or left wing political nutcases trying to cheat, lie, steal, control, manipulate power, kill, maim and actually try to destroy democratic process and trade (ring any bells?)

    I don’t care what any of ’em are called … they’re all arseholes as are their enablers …

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    August 9, 2021 4:38 pm

    Covid might sort ’em all out anyway …

    Ain’t Mother Nature clever …

  279. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 9, 2021 4:45 pm

    “And the Proud Boys are? “

    They are the defence against Antifa. Its like if another mob wen’t around protecting people from Hitler’s Brownshirts.

    They are not particularly to my taste but they are a whole lot better than Antifa.

    So at that rally the Proud Boys turned up to “protect” a bunch of Christians at the whacko end of the spectrum. The violence only occurred because a bunch of facists called Antifa wanted to intimidate those present, No one asked them to come. If they didn’t turn up to bully and intimidate people then there would be no violence.

  280. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2021 5:34 pm

    gets to beat up people saying things they don’t like.

    Yes, and violently storming the seat of democracy is a just a daily outing 😉

    Its like if another mob wen’t around protecting people from Hitler’s Brownshirts.

    You understand that the ‘proud boys’ are the Brownshirts in this scenario, don’t you?

  281. TB Queensland permalink
    August 9, 2021 6:43 pm

    They are the defence against Antifa. Its like if another mob wen’t around protecting people from Hitler’s Brownshirts.

    They are not particularly to my taste but they are a whole lot better than Antifa.

    You are enabling both extremes …

    My politics … my religion …

  282. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 9, 2021 8:50 pm

    “You understand that the ‘proud boys’ are the Brownshirts in this scenario, don’t you?”

    Well that’s not true. Perhaps you could explain.

  283. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 9, 2021 8:51 pm

    “My politics … my religion …”

    Exactly my point. One of the stupidest and most vapid songs of all time.

  284. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2021 9:41 pm

    Brownshirts were fascists, antifa are anti … what again?

  285. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 10, 2021 8:22 am

    Antifa are a fascist organisation using violence against people whose views they don’t like.

    “Yes, and violently storming the seat of democracy is a just a daily outing”

    And that makes it alright for fascists like Antifa to go about beating people up!

  286. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2021 9:16 am

    Yes, the left are very selective about how they approve of lawful behaviour

  287. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 10, 2021 11:09 am

    Crooked said his suicide next week was totally unexpected:

  288. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2021 11:27 am

    And that makes it alright for fascists like Antifa to go about beating people up!

    I know I’ve been clear about this previously, but here we go again. Many ‘antifa’ elements take things too far. There are also a lot of unrelated groups who get tagged as antifa, along with many right wing groups masquerading as antifa.

    But at the end of the day, the brownshirts weren’t stopped with peaceful intervention, and neither were their contemporary cousins until antifa came along. For all the bad done by antifa, or any of the other mentioned, the fact is, they stop a lot of the violence by confronting it in kind.

    Hopefully with not a nutbag in the drivers seat over there, things can settle back down.

  289. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 10, 2021 11:40 am

    Antifa are the Brownshirts’ contemporary cousins. They don’t stop violence they start it – just look at the fucking video.

  290. Tom R permalink
    August 10, 2021 12:06 pm

    just look at the fucking video

    You mean the one that claimed they were just polite little xtians praying to a sky fairy (but forgot to mention they were accompanied by a band of armed, right wing fascists known for violence)

    THAT video?

  291. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 10, 2021 2:43 pm

    Yes, that video. Antifa came there and initiated the violence. Apart from the slurs what was your point?

  292. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2021 4:06 pm

    Apart from the slurs what was your point?

    Slurs? Facile, infantile, chimps … GUFFAW

    FFS! I’m not a fan of either The Proud Boys (and their kin) or Antifa … I believe in democracy and capitalism and social fairness …

    This sort of concocted “rage” is designed to re-create the 1930’s in Europe …

    … most Aussies emigrated here for a better life – usually after some stupid wasteful war in or around their homeland … where rich folks got richer and poor folks died for them! (Look around this global pandemic)

    The Proud Boy v Antifa fantasy needs to stay where it belongs – in the US of A …

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2021 4:40 pm

    Exactly my point. One of the stupidest and most vapid songs of all time.

    In your opinion … and what “exactly” is “your point”

    … as for “vapid” … you obviously don’t understand (or don’t want to) the meaning of the lyrics (or the word?) … nor the background of Lennon … nor in fact all the Beatles – born during WW II in Liverpool the second largest port in Britain and cruelly bombed … the aftermath of WWII was evident for years after …

    … or you may simply agree with …

    His killer was Mark David Chapman, an American Beatles fan from Hawaii. Chapman said he was angered by Lennon’s lifestyle and public statements, especially his much-publicized remark about the Beatles being “more popular than Jesus” and the lyrics of his later songs “God” and “Imagine”.

    BTW, while “stupidest” recognised as a word … may I suggest, “most stupid”, always sounds much better and is primarily used in the intellectual circles you aspire to …

    BTW, again, I’m familiar with the construct peeververin … but then I don’t make the rules …

  294. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 10, 2021 5:43 pm

    “BTW, while “stupidest” recognised as a word…..”.

    You omitted “is”, Shakespeare!

  295. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 10, 2021 5:47 pm

    Imagine there’s no heaven
    It’s easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today…

    Trite nonsense. Living in the now is all well and good. No need to worry about the future just fuck up the world and let the next generation deal with the consequences.

    Society is a compact between the past, the present and the future. We need to learn from what was good in the past, and to consider the future generations. Living for today is what narcissistic wankers do. It’s the rule you apply when you ditch your wife and kids for a groupie intent on getting herself “a Beatle”.

    Imagine there’s no countries
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace…

    Now this is rich – undergraduate Rousseauian nonsense. The noble savage myth was always BS. This just a more juvenile version of it. Before there were countries and people lived in state of nature life was nasty brutish and short.

    You may say I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will be as one

    These sentiments are common among teenage girls and self-indulgent celebrity millionaires. Dreamer? Wanker more like!

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world…

    This is just precious!

    John Lennon was a multi-millionaire celebrity living a lifestyle of privileged decadence. And now he is lecturing us about having no possessions?

    How do you think that would work out, exactly? More greed, more hunger, and anything but a “brotherhood of man”.

    Plodding melody and fatuous lyrics combine to make this a ridiculous song adored by ridiculous people! Lennon was better than this. But not after Yoko got to him.

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2021 6:17 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/10/fact-check-angus-taylors-response-to-the-landmark-ipcc-report

    Angus Taylor … actually the Liberal National Coalition governmnet should be banned from any comment on climate change as false and misleading …

  297. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2021 6:21 pm

    You omitted “is”, Shakespeare!

    As has been explained before here (I know you are a relative newcomer) we are typos all victims of typos …

    Plodding melody and fatuous lyrics combine to make this a ridiculous song adored by ridiculous people!

    You still miss the message … and your fatuous comments tell us that …

    It also tells us that you believe in a perfect Christian world …

  298. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 11, 2021 8:27 am

    “we are typos all victims of typos …”

    I usually don’t take the point on typos. But, you said:

    BTW, while “stupidest” recognised as a word … may I suggest, “most stupid”

    Fact is “stupidest” is a fine word for the sentence in which “most” was already used.

    In the words of that greatest of men: “Yours is the kind of pedantic nonsense up with which I will not put!”

    “You still miss the message”

    The message is clear. It is the same message heard regularly from ditzy Miss Universe aspirants who commit themselves to “world peace” without a clue about how that might be achieved. Like Lennon they don’t actually do anything other than drugs and parties. It’s not that Lennon didn’t write great songs: “A Day In The Life” and “In My Life” are two of the Beatles best. And Revolution – here is some sage advice from John Winston:

    You say you got a real solution
    Well, you know
    We’d all love to see the plan
    You ask me for a contribution
    Well, you know
    We’re all doing what we can
    But if you want money for people with minds that hate
    All I can tell you is brother you have to wait

    I could recommend Leonard Cohen or Bob Dylan if you want great lyrics. However, given your manifest inability to complete a sentence, you probably don’t have the attention span. I guess you’ll just stick with Imagine’s facile lyrics. I suppose you use Number 96 and Home and Away for insights into the human condition and reality TV shows to help understand reality. 🙂

    FWIW, I am more inspired by lines in songs:

    Every act of kindness is a little bit of love we leave behind.” (Paul Williams)

    You can get wan’t or you can just get old” (Billy Joel)

    defecating ecstasy” (David Bowie)

    And if you swear that there’s no truth and who cares
    How come you say it like you’re right?”
    (Conor Oberst)

    And this one is for you (also Conor Oberst):

    “The Bible’s blind, the Torah’s deaf, the Qu’ran is mute
    If you burned them all together, you’d get close to the truth”

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2021 9:23 am

    The hypocrisy of “christian religions”

    The Pentecostal church run by controversial former tennis champion Margaret Court,
    Victory Life Centre, received more than $280,000 in jobkeeper in the three months to
    the end of June last year, even though its revenue ultimately barely decreased.

    Payments under the scheme began a fortnight after the church’s declaration in
    mid-March last year that the blood of Jesus would protect parishioners from the
    deadly virus, but it would nevertheless provide sanitiser.

    James Chan, the treasurer of Victory Life Centre, told Guardian Australia the church
    received a total of more than $500,000 in jobkeeper as well as a $50,000 cashflow boost from a federal government grant.

    Last year, religious institutions were eligible for jobkeeper payments of $1,500 fortnightly
    per eligible employee if their actual or projected revenue fell by more than 15% in a given
    period compared to the same period the previous year.

    And they don’t pay taxes??

  300. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2021 10:56 am

    Anyone have any knitting patterns?

    OK, if we’re gonna go with the great lyricists battle, I’m in 🙂

    “Once our empires glorious but now the empire’s gone
    The dead gave us the time to live and now our time is done

    Now we are victorious, we’ve become our slaves
    A land of hope and glory building graveyards for the brave”

  301. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2021 11:19 am

    Or … one of my faves as a lad (in the choir)

    And did those feet in ancient time
    Walk upon England’s mountains green:
    And was the holy Lamb of God,
    On England’s pleasant pastures seen!

    And did the Countenance Divine,
    Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
    And was Jerusalem builded here,
    Among these dark Satanic Mills?

    Bring me my Bow of burning gold:
    Bring me my arrows of desire:
    Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold!
    Bring me my Chariot of fire!

    I will not cease from Mental Fight,
    Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand:
    Till we have built Jerusalem,
    In England’s green & pleasant Land.

  302. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2021 11:39 am

    yep that one wins TB 🙂

  303. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2021 11:44 am

    LOL! @ TR

    Piker!

    Just getting warmed up!

  304. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 11, 2021 12:06 pm

    Iron Maiden – what a surprise. I like the second couplet. I have a theory that Metal and Opera have a lot in common particularly the over-the-top productions of the live shows. What exactly is Bruce on about in this little number?

  305. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2021 12:31 pm

    What exactly is Bruce on about in this little number?

    Not sure which one you mean, but, art is interpretive, isn’t it? 😉

    particularly the over-the-top productions of the live shows.

    That’s what we came for 🙂 ie Kiss were less than impressive musicians, but great performers with a great live show.

  306. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2021 12:34 pm

    This may give a hint for the Jerusalem one though splats

    https://www.vintageheavymetal.com/article/poetry-inspired-bruce-dickinson/

  307. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2021 12:41 pm

    Louise Milligan agrees to pay Andrew Laming $79,000 in damages over tweets

    ABC journalist Louise Milligan has agreed to pay Andrew Laming $79,000 in damages plus legal costs after the federal Liberal MP filed defamation proceedings against her over a series of tweets suggesting he had admitted to the criminal offence of taking an “upskirting” photo of a woman’s underwear.

    More quality journalism from your ABC

  308. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2021 1:55 pm

    More quality comments from ToM 🤣

  309. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2021 2:04 pm

    Yeah, as if you have to invent stuff about Laming. It’s typical of Milligan to invent, sensationalized and exaggerate
    Taxpayers will cough up.

  310. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 11, 2021 2:38 pm

    Jerusalem is a great hymn, TB.

  311. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2021 3:01 pm

    hymnal

  312. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2021 3:21 pm

    Louise Milligan agrees to pay Andrew Laming $79,000 in damages over tweets

    I await with eager anticipation the free speech warriors charging in on their own chariots of mire to defend speech in all it’s freedoms …..

  313. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 11, 2021 3:30 pm

    hymnal?

  314. Tom R permalink
    August 11, 2021 3:42 pm

    Yea, I actually googled it after I commented splats. I just wanted to be a pedantic smart ass, and failed 🙂

  315. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 11, 2021 3:52 pm

    Defamation laws are a money-making sinecure for politicians.

    Politicians should not have access to defamation laws as they have an adequate soapbox from which to make their defence.

    Further, Mongrel Milligan is a notorious liar and thus incapable of damaging anyone’s reputation.

  316. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 11, 2021 4:05 pm

    Happens to the best of us, Tom R. But most here can’t bring themselves to admit it.

  317. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2021 7:01 pm

    How good is it that the incompetence of this ABC journalist has resulted in the taxpayers coughing up to pay plenty to this incompetent politician!!
    Is that a win all round?
    Thanks ABC!

  318. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2021 8:57 am

    Crackhead is being blackmailed by Russians?

  319. August 12, 2021 11:40 am

    ACT in lockdown? How would anyone notice?

  320. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2021 2:11 pm

    AC who?

  321. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 12, 2021 2:38 pm

    Public servants working from home during a lockdown! They would demand daily delivery of Tim Tams

  322. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 12, 2021 6:42 pm

    TPG now offer wireless broadband as an alternative to the NBN. I think it works off the 4G network and gives speeds of 20Mbps and costs about the same as the NBN.The difference is you get unlimited downloads

    https://www.tpg.com.au/home-wireless-broadband

    Want to save on your monthly internet bill? Get simple, affordable internet access with TPG Home Wireless Broadband.
    TPG Home Wireless Broadband is a no-fuss alternative to NBN, designed to connect your home in just a few quick steps – no technician appointment needed.

  323. Tony permalink
    August 13, 2021 10:21 am

    They say the definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

    All ‘climate change’ policies implemented since ‘global warming’ was first mentioned as a problem in 1970, and the first climate conference was held in 1990, have been utter failures. Their purpose is to reduce – or even slow the growth of – atmospheric CO2. They haven’t. At all!

    https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/

    Click to access co2_data_mlo.pdf

    Maybe it’s time to jump of the expensive ‘renewables’ train and try something ‘new’. Like nuclear, for example.

  324. Tony permalink
    August 13, 2021 11:29 am

    Remember this ad from the 70’s, celebrating all things Australian?

    Yeah, well, looks like it’s not Australian …

  325. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2021 4:16 pm

    … the first climate conference was held in 1990, have been utter failures. Their purpose is to reduce – or even slow the growth of – atmospheric CO2. They haven’t. At all! Like nuclear, for example.

    Conferences don’t “do” stuff. Business and smart governments are now leading the way (seen the latest Coles and Woolies ads? And check out Aldi too). Solar farms springing up everywhere in Queensland.

    The Netherlands railway system is almost completely solar powered …

    As for EV its slow (a bit like combustion engines taking over from horsees) but its happening …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car_use_by_country

    https://www.drive.com.au/news/the-australian-states-with-the-most-and-fewest-electric-car-charging-points/

    https://www.iea.org/fuels-and-technologies/renewables

    Some of the more commonly expressed views and concerns include:

    1. The nuclear industry still has no solution to the ‘waste problem’.
    2. The transport of this waste poses an unacceptable risk to people and the environment.
    3. Plutonium is the most dangerous material in the world.
    4. Nuclear waste is hazardous for tens of thousands of years. This clearly is unprecedented and poses a huge threat to our future generations.
    5. Even if put into a geological repository, the waste might emerge and threaten future generations.
    6. Nobody knows the true costs of waste management. The costs are so high that nuclear power can never be economic.
    7. The waste should be disposed of into space.
    8. Nuclear waste should be transmuted into harmless materials.
    9. There is a potential terrorist threat to the large volumes of radioactive waste currently being stored and the risk that this waste could leak or be dispersed as a result of terrorist action.
    10. Man-made radiation differs from natural radiation.

    https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/nuclear-wastes/radioactive-wastes-myths-and-realities.aspx

    And the other reason …

    Australia becomes a target …

    Renewable energy works …

    Progress is slow but it needs more support …

    https://mozo.com.au/energy/articles/rooftop-solar-now-australia-s-second-largest-energy-generator

    378,000 new solar systems were installed last year …

    The present climate situation took centuries to “create” …

    https://history.aip.org/climate/timeline.htm

    Can’t get the world to “fix” it in a couple of decades (some governments – individual pollies don’t believe in it and slow the progress …

    A friend (one of those PS) was asked to drive a Kona EV from Brisbane to Cairns and back cost $233 drove for a couple of hours and stopped for coffee and a charge and charged overnight in motels … about 1700 kilometres (Queensland’s a bit bigger than Victoria)

  326. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2021 4:21 pm

    Oh! Forgot …

    And the momentum will get faster as more people get on board …

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/tesla-to-open-supercharging-network-to-all-electric-cars/news-story/10b9581fa6d6b9569374a4ec41061c4b

  327. Tony permalink
    August 13, 2021 5:43 pm

    Oh right. And where do they get the power to charge the electric vehicles?

  328. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2021 6:55 pm

    I’ll start numbering the questions I answer for you ToSY and numbering the questions you don’t answer for me …

    EV charge stations right now get power from a number of sources … including … my
    solar system … and EV owner’s homes. I suspect if you go down the EV path – you’d install solar … BTW my hot water comes from solar (second hot water system – first lasted 25 years … need to turn our booster on an average of three days a year … and, as ToM will tell you, Melbourne has more sunlight per year than Queensland) 😊

    21 percent
    More than two million, or 21 percent, of Australian households now have rooftop solar PV, with a combined capacity exceeding 10 GW (visit the Australian PV Institute’s Live Map for live solar PV data).

    https://www.energy.gov.au/data/renewables

    You can deny a revolution or join it … shimples (winners reduce costs)

    As for my power I actually earn about $1000 a year haven’t paid a bill in six/seven years 4.5Kw (split system 1KW + 3.5KW) my home faces south so ideal (east west facing panels lose about 20% — out of 22 panels eight of mine face west) … and we drink water from our stainless steel tanks (so much that we have trouble with friends and tea and coffee … I take a bottle of wine …) 🙂

    BTW the friend I mentioned, now a manager, began his career as a m/mech – his trip convinced him (and it was Qld gov experiment) …

    My own son (like me a mech) and manager involved in batteries and electrics service and supply is also convinced …

    I often feel sorry for the blacksmiths at the turn of the 18th/19th century … same dilemma … with far less knowledge …

    Look up battery development on Youtube … astounding stuff … we live in a sci-fi world …

    Q.1 08/2021 😎

  329. Tony permalink
    August 13, 2021 7:36 pm

    I’ll start numbering the questions I answer for you ToSY and numbering the questions you don’t answer for me …

    That’s okay. If you want to be a smart arse about it I won’t bother. Simple.

  330. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2021 11:36 am

    That’s okay. If you want to be a smart arse about it I won’t bother. Simple.

    Tetchy?

    Actually I think its ToM who never answers … so an apology …

    Smartarse … nah … just having a bit of fun … I should use more 😀☺😄😃☺☺🙂🤡🤠

    Looking forward to you continuing our discussion.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Meanwhile for anyone interested … that should be anyone who uses a PC (the Apple dinosaurs are still out there… just ask reb 😛)

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/windows/windows-11

  331. Tony permalink
    August 14, 2021 12:22 pm

    Actually I think its ToM who never answers … so an apology …

    Apology accepted. And sorry for being tetchy.😉

  332. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2021 6:23 pm

    😀 Thanks ToSY …

  333. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2021 6:55 pm

    Just learnt a new word! Scofflaw …

  334. Tony permalink
    August 14, 2021 8:15 pm

    Yes, but would you ever use it?

  335. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 15, 2021 8:55 am

    I see Dan had a crack at Qantas for having a couple of covid passengers to Melbourne.
    Dan should f**k off
    Did Qantas break any regulations? Or was the Victorian border control inadequate?
    Dan is an expert in blaming others for his failures.

  336. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2021 11:18 am

    Yes, but would you ever use it?

    Doubt it … you?

  337. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2021 11:23 am

    Dan is an expert in blaming others for his failures.

    You’re pretty expert at blaming Dan for everything …

    What’s wrong with airline staff checking border passes with the tickets … it is a fkn pandemic … even Gold standard Gladys recognises “we’re at war” …

    That means everyone needs to step up even Joyce and crew … oh, and you … vaccinated yet, BTW?

  338. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2021 11:25 am

    Or Dan could just stop all flights into Victoria … BTW the women broke the law and you are supporting that?

  339. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 15, 2021 12:25 pm

    Previously states (other than Vic) had people at the arrival gate to check.
    Dan’s system has proved inadequate again

  340. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2021 12:34 pm

    Like the Feds and Ruby Princess? Or the Feds and aged care facilities without vaccinated staff – still …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Poland? More vaccine … but we were told we had enough?

    What a friggin’ disaster …

    >Prime Minister Scott Morrison says the federal government has secured a deal to purchase an additional one million doses of the Pfizer vaccine from Poland.

    The doses are en route to Australia from Warsaw, with more than half already earmarked to be distributed directly to NSW.

    Mr Morrison said the vaccines, which he described as “more than a million doses of hope’, would be rolled out from as early as next week.

    While Scotty “I don’t Hold a Hose” mouths off at China … someone should send him a fiddle …

  341. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 15, 2021 1:02 pm

    Some people are saying why should Australia get more vaccine when we really don’t have much of a problem and other countries have higher rates of Covid and a much greater need for the vaccine.

  342. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 15, 2021 1:32 pm

    It’s not the job of a glib but unintelligent politician , ie Dan, to blame a business for the failure of a state government responsibility
    But typically that’s what Dan did.
    Give him a job selling furniture at Harvey Norman, that’s his level of capability

  343. Tony permalink
    August 15, 2021 5:28 pm

    Doubt it … you?

    Never!

  344. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2021 6:17 pm

    … when we really don’t have much of a problem

    Actually Kneel, we do … and unfortunately “charity begins at home” …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It’s not the job of a glib but unintelligent politician …

    LOL! Tell that to Scotty and Golden Glad!

    You may not have noticed but the “action premiers” are Labor … Albo’s been locked out of the national Cabinet … and we all know why … but Glad said we are at war (you may recall a comment of mine last year … and if we are at war … the Labor Opposition Leader should be involved in decision, planning and organisation decisions …

  345. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 15, 2021 6:36 pm

    Did you notice that everyone in national cabinet runs a government? Probably not

  346. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 15, 2021 6:57 pm

    Actually Kneel, we do … and unfortunately “charity begins at home” …

    Our death rates are much lower than many countries and people are saying why should we get preference over countries more needy.

  347. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2021 9:16 pm

    Did you notice that everyone in national cabinet runs a government? Probably not

    So you don’t think we are at “war”? (Golden Glad does.

    And the “national cabinet” doesn’t represent all Australians …so its not even democratic …

    Read some history …

  348. TB Queensland permalink
    August 15, 2021 9:18 pm

    Our death rates are much lower than many countries and people are saying why should we get preference over countries more needy.

    So how many Australians should die before we help other countries … ?

    BTW, who are these “people”?

  349. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 15, 2021 9:35 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/01/australia-at-back-of-the-queue-for-pfizer-covid-vaccines-minister-admits

    “”””””””””””””‘Simon Birmingham on Thursday said Australia has had supply challenges “because European countries and drug companies have favoured those nations who’ve had high rates of Covid for the delivery of vaccines like Pfizer”.

    “Which has put countries like New Zealand and Australia at the back of the queue in terms of receipt of some of those vaccines,” Birmingham said.””””””””””””””””””

  350. Tony permalink
    August 16, 2021 8:41 am

    Get ready to be loudly told that even 15 year olds are dying from Covid.

    Except this poor boy actually died of something else.

    A 15-year-old boy from Sydney’s southwest has died of meningitis while infected with Covid, making him the youngest Australian victim of the virus.

    A smiling teen has become the youngest Australian to die while having Covid-19.

    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/coronavirus/15yearold-osama-suduh-has-died-in-hospital-of-covid-and-meningitis/news-story/c71845d2b5f0fa17fe43ddbc1b5c87ad

  351. Tony permalink
    August 16, 2021 8:43 am

    Oops, paywall. Maybe try this:

    https://t.co/dWGZcehX39

  352. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2021 9:50 am

    Get ready to be loudly told …

    Osama Suduh, 15, from south-west Sydney, died on Sunday night after contracting pneumococcal meningitis and COVID-19.

    “What an incredible tragedy it was for that young man to die last night,” Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce told Seven’s Sunrise on Monday.

    The teen’s death was confirmed by the Sydney Children’s Hospital at Randwick where he was being treated, the ABC reported.

    Chief health officer Kerry Chant said on Sunday the boy’s family had given permission for his condition to be made public.

    “I can confirm that there is someone admitted to hospital that is 15 and that the cause of their admission, while they are COVID positive, is related to another health condition,” she said.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/nsw/2021/08/16/sydney-teenager-covid-dies/

    Softly, softly select your sources …

  353. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 16, 2021 11:06 am

    It’s a group of people who hold the authority of government, it isn’t even a cabinet.
    We don’t have a national unity government, which is what you’re probably thinking of. Has Australia ever had one of those?
    Do some research.
    You’re thinking of your mother country

  354. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 16, 2021 12:52 pm

    TB

    What is the difference between your link and Tony’s link?? Aren’t they saying the same thing??

  355. Tony permalink
    August 16, 2021 1:32 pm

    I sympathise with this point of view …

  356. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 16, 2021 2:11 pm

    Andrews bans people from removing masks to drink outdoors

    “””””””””””Premier Daniel Andrews is “angry” after what occurred over the weekend and has announced people will not be permitted to remove their masks to drink alcohol outdoors.

    “There will be no removal of masks to consume alcohol outdoors, you will no longer be able to remove your mask to drink a cocktail at a pop-up beer garden on a footpath as part of a pub crawl,” he said.”””””””””””””””””

  357. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 16, 2021 2:12 pm

    BTW the above clip is not a joke

  358. Tom R permalink
    August 16, 2021 2:55 pm

    Dan’s system has proved inadequate again

    I don’t know what case you are talking about. I heard a report on the news that Victoria picked up a couple of people who tested positive who had flown in from Sydney last week. ie, NSW failed to pick them up, luckily, the Vics did?

  359. Tom R permalink
    August 16, 2021 3:16 pm

    This really has been a shit show from beginning to …………. end? I think that last bit is wishful thinking

  360. Tom R permalink
    August 16, 2021 4:02 pm

    BTW the above clip is not a joke

    I take it you are

    “as part of a pub crawl,” he said.”

    Buy your drink, and piss off! It’s not hard to understand, unless you’re stupid. What is it nil?

  361. Tom R permalink
    August 16, 2021 4:20 pm

    I heard friendlyjordies lost the first part of of his case with bruz. Doesn’t seem to have worried him too much

  362. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2021 6:29 pm

    I sympathise with this point of view …

    Yeah?

    Between 1951 and 1972, a total of 287,000 young Australian men were called up in two separate schemes for compulsory training in the Navy, Army and Air Force. Of them, 212 died on active service in Borneo and Vietnam. National Service was part of Australia’s defence preparedness for three decades.

    My wife and baby girl and I weren’t happy with NS but I served … what a bunch of whingers!

    And for the record, disagreed with our involvement in Vietnam … but sometimes you have to do what’s right for other Australians …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    BTW the above clip is not a joke

    None of this is a fucking joke … read the news … no – comprehend it … pub crawls and DJ parties have stuffed it for others doing the right thing …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Melbourne is the place to be … ToM … Brisbane is a shithole, ToM, Who would ever want to live there, ToM

    I’m a big fan of karma … and Mother Nature (and she is fucking angry!)

    Me … 😍 😎

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2021 6:32 pm

    And as an Aussie … I’m very concerned for our country and its people …

  364. TB Queensland permalink
    August 16, 2021 6:39 pm

    Some dickheads never learn (even though its expensive!) a bit of education might have saved … er, no some intelligence might have saved this dickwit a lot of money …

    https://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/mining-magnate-clive-palmer-taking-wa-government-to-high-court-over-covid19-vaccine-passport/news-story/cfa3883b74e39f234386ad2f6ecf28e2

  365. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 16, 2021 6:45 pm

    Buy your drink, and piss off! It’s not hard to understand, unless you’re stupid. What is it nil?

    Perhaps i misunderstood. The title of the Skynews clip could be clickbait. But Andrews did say he was talking about things that happened at a number of licensed venues. It does sound a stupid thing to say.

  366. Tony permalink
    August 16, 2021 7:26 pm

    Yeah?

    Yeah! The point, and the one with which I sympathise, is people living in other states have no idea what Melbournians have been through, so haven’t earned the right to lecture us on how we should behave in such a stressful situation. We’re going under a curfew in an hour and a half ffs!

    I have no fucking idea what national service has to do with any of that.

  367. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 16, 2021 7:50 pm

    If this lockdown goes on much longer there will be more deaths from suicide than from the virus. In fact there already may be.

  368. Tom R permalink
    August 16, 2021 9:22 pm

    so haven’t earned the right

    When you are wrong so many times, no one really gives a shit about your right, cos you never are. That twats been arguing with lies for almost a year, so who really gives a shit what she says?

  369. Tony permalink
    August 16, 2021 9:33 pm

    So the point stands. Interstaters cannot know what it’s been like to endure more than 200 days of lockdown, stay at home orders, and sometimes curfews. Instead they try to obsfucate.

  370. Tony permalink
    August 16, 2021 9:53 pm

    And playground closures …

  371. Tony permalink
    August 16, 2021 9:56 pm

    And you think you can tell us “mexicans” how to feel and behave?

  372. Tony permalink
    August 16, 2021 10:47 pm

  373. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 3:55 am

  374. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 8:56 am

    Yeah, nah, the Taliban will be all over that …

  375. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 9:03 am

  376. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 9:11 am

  377. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 9:13 am

  378. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 9:15 am

  379. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 9:19 am

  380. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 9:22 am

  381. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 9:32 am

  382. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 17, 2021 10:15 am

    This is from a contributor at Catallaxy

    Arky Covid News Conference

    https://rumble.com/vl15ti-arky-covid-news-conference.html

  383. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 10:23 am

    Bullshit: “thousands and thousands”! Australians don’t do this.

  384. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 10:26 am

    The Premier may be frustrated by rule breakers, but he should not be surprised

    https://t.co/dxpyVU9tG9

  385. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 10:29 am

    Why Don’t They Believe Us?
    You’re struggling to understand where all this vaccine hesitancy comes from. Let me help you.
    BY
    KONSTANTIN KISIN

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/vaccines-konstantin-kisin

  386. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 17, 2021 10:30 am

    Bullshit: “thousands and thousands”! Australians don’t do this.

    I was walking down the road yesterday and a guy on the other side of the road started yelling at me. He noticed i was not wearing a mask. He was yelling i should put my mask on. I told him i didn’t think you need to wear it outdoors only indoors. He said i needed to wear it outdoors as well

    So when i got home i rang ServiceNSW to find out the law. After waiting for 2 hours i hung up.

  387. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2021 10:46 am

    I know you’ll hate this tosy, because it makes sense, and is backed up by … ugh … science n all

  388. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 10:52 am

    The Taliban’s overseeing this peaceful transition of power, so of course ‘inclusive’-ness will be a priority. And it’s good to see the State Deprtment’ has its priorities in order.

  389. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 10:54 am

    Anecdotes are “science” now.

  390. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2021 10:55 am

    i rang ServiceNSW to find out the law

    [facepalm]

    They do car regos nil. You want https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/public-health-orders.aspx#face-coverings

    😉

  391. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 17, 2021 11:05 am

    TomR

    Here is ServiceNSW webpage for Covid. Thanks for the link but i eventually found a link.

    Bottom line is you don’t have to wear a facemask outside in Sydney

    https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/covid-19

  392. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 11:13 am

  393. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 11:17 am

    True. What will happen to their wives, partners?

  394. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 11:24 am

  395. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 11:27 am

    Perspective.

  396. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2021 11:36 am

    Biden has failed miserably in Afghanistan, just like all the rest.

    But he isn’t wrong about climate change.

  397. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2021 11:41 am

    jeebus tosy, read the replies first (doesn’t change the fact that we, deliberately, left hundreds of interpreters there to be slaughtered. Message for the future. DO NOT WORK WITH AUSTRALIA!

  398. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 12:16 pm

    Second photo: Not many women!

  399. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 17, 2021 12:18 pm

    Wow some women. Maybe 10% women and 90% men. Shouldn’t it be 50:50??

  400. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 17, 2021 1:13 pm

    jeebus tosy, read the replies first

    I just read the replies in the second photo

    —Still majority men, and male children by the looks of it
    —That’s more than 70% military fighting age males… sorry.
    —OK, 20 women and children.
    —-I had the same thought…but even in the full photo, it is an interesting point. Not many women on the flight

    Etc etc

  401. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2021 1:57 pm

    Second photo: Not many women!

    If it’s so bad, why the need to misrepresent. (it’s actually understandable, as the tweet below highlights)

  402. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2021 1:58 pm

    Also, a lot of angst over the distribution of male/female who stormed a plane, but little concern for us abandoning the vast majority of interpreters who worked with our armed forces.

  403. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 2:19 pm

    If it’s so bad, why the need to misrepresent.

    The original tweet linked to an article with BOTH photos, so …

  404. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2021 2:56 pm

    so … miranda decided to make it about those who escaped, inaccurately, rather than those we left behind …

  405. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2021 3:17 pm

    Afghanisatan reminds me of watching the fall of Saigon … (another wasted decade of blood and treasure … for what …?)

    Think of WWII and who our allies are now … including the Vietnamese who are very friendly towards Australia and Australians, I visited there in 2014 …

    Communism and Nazism were the bogeyman then … but I fear Sharia Law is much, much worse …

    What disasters …

  406. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2021 3:32 pm

    Seems I’m not the only one …

  407. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2021 4:47 pm

    Then there is …

  408. Tom R permalink
    August 17, 2021 4:47 pm

    It’s almost unbelievable that it came to that TB, And that is all on the current Administration.

    I have read a lot of people defending Biden, saying ‘but trump set this in motion’

    But he could have stopped, or delayed, or any number of things. He didn’t, and now, the people are going to pay the price again.

  409. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 17, 2021 6:06 pm

    It is possible we may emerge from this lockdown with a weakened immune system. We are not coming into contact with people as much now and not getting the mild infections which our body can deal with and build resistance

    So we may in future get a mild virus infection which our body cannot deal with because our immune systems are weakened because of social distancing

  410. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2021 6:13 pm

    Morrison is now telling the nation “it is clear that for the lockdown to work it must work”

    I thought Pauline Hanson speak was weird … that’s fkn weirder!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It’s almost unbelievable that it came to that TB

    Almost …

    Probably not in the “circles” I sometimes move in, TR, a lot of the work of construction and repairs was done by my old Corp … I’ve met a few Afghan vets and you get a different picture … had a presentation from previous OC General of both Iraq and Afghanistan speak at a lunch I attended last year … very interesting to say the least …

    As for VN imagine me watching the “Escape From Saigon” * TV and movies … in ’75 … I was discharged in ’71 … just shook my head and said, ” what a fucking waste of my time” … meaning everyone else’s who fought and died in VN … including two mates …

    BTW Long Tan Day is tomorrow … remember the diggers (and the nashos) who died that day and watch, “Danger Close” … it really is spine chilling … 17 died – 11 of them nashos …

    Never forget the families.

  411. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2021 6:16 pm

    It is possible we may emerge from this lockdown with a weakened immune system.

    What (who’s) bullshit are you quoting now, Kneel …

    Research how vaccines work … wheew its hard work …

  412. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 17, 2021 7:02 pm

    TB

    You miss my point.

    When the Europeans colonised the world they took with them diseases the native people had no resistance to and many died.

    Could happen to us. In lockdown we are not coming into contact with people like we used to, getting mild sickness and then recovering. This builds up our immune system naturally so when a stronger virus arrives our body can deal with it. We don’t shake hands anymore instead we social distance. This could weaken our immune system.

  413. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 8:07 pm

    The U.S. Department of Defense is now evaluating Afghanistan for the “reconstruction of terrorist networks” after the Taliban captured Kabul and declared victory over the weekend, said a spokesman.

    https://lists.youmaker.com/links/kjtKwz4IlR/Jlid8tcrj/60Hc7arxJ/AltfKJPEFQ

  414. Tony permalink
    August 17, 2021 9:58 pm

    Yes we are.

  415. TB Queensland permalink
    August 17, 2021 10:14 pm

    Yes we are.

    Hear! Hear!

  416. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 18, 2021 11:10 am

  417. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2021 12:43 pm

    I see Qantas will require all staff to be vaccinated. A sensible decision
    As they almost always are by Qantas

  418. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2021 1:04 pm

    I see Qantas will require all staff to be vaccinated.

    What about those who have a valid reason not to be vaccinated?

  419. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2021 1:08 pm

    re the above

    “While my reason for not getting this jab is medical, I want to make sure that I’m not carving out a space that is only big enough for me. I need to state, unequivocally, that I support informed consent – which necessitates choice unburdened by coercion. I do not find it ethical or wise to allow those with the most power (government, corporations, organizations, employers) to dictate medical procedures to those with the least power.”

    https://www.musicradar.com/news/the-offspring-drop-drummer-pete-parada-over-covid-vaccine-refusal

  420. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2021 1:22 pm

    A valid reason is a genuine medical condition. I expect there’ll be a small number of them and they’ll be exempt.
    Anyone else that declines has self selected out of the aviation industry

  421. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2021 1:37 pm

    I expect there’ll be a small number of them and they’ll be exempt.

    That is good then. Reports about details are thin on the ground. In my view, those not vaccinated are going to more of a danger to themselves in the future, so targeting them seems somehow unfair (unless they are just anti-vaccers)

    I see things are moving briskly in nSW 😦

  422. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 18, 2021 4:13 pm

    I see Qantas will require all staff to be vaccinated. A sensible decision

    Comments like that show what political side a person supports.

    People with a leftward persuasion favor this vaccination. Righties are suspicious

    These vaccines have been rushed. Any problems may not appear for years. Plus one of them uses a different method than previous vaccines..

    I think the AstraZeneca vaccine uses the usual method to prepare a vaccine. The Pfizer one uses DNA technology or something like that.

    If i was forced to take one i would take the AstrZeneca one. But at the moment i don’t want to take any of them.

  423. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2021 6:16 pm

    But at the moment i don’t want to take any of them.

    Understandable.

    The same sort of people who have advised that AGW is an issue are the same sort who are telling us the vaccines are safe. Smart people.

    Dumb people will listen to shock jocks

  424. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 18, 2021 6:36 pm

    The same sort of people who have advised that AGW is an issue are the same sort who are telling us the vaccines are safe.

    That is what has got me worried. Those sorts of people are usually wrong. Dump people.

    I don’t mind being injected with a dead virus to help generate antibodies but i don’t want to use a technology that has not been tested before which uses DNA or something.

  425. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2021 6:42 pm

    People with a leftward persuasion favor this vaccination. Righties are suspicious

    That’s a bad thing?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The same sort of people who have advised that AGW is an issue are the same sort who are telling us the vaccines are safe. Smart people.

    TR, I had to read that through more than once … and you are “talking” to Kneel (and me 😄) … I realised the word “issue” can have two meanings …

    Dumb people will listen to shock jocks Yep!

    I seem to be surrounded by ’em sometimes! Must break out of the blue folk circle – just joking … known some of ’em for years … we all vote … and some of us believe! Praise the lord …

    Spent the morning at Eumundi Markets and then near home on the seafront looking for driftwood for the firepit … it’s like fkn Melbourne here at the moment sunshine, clouds, rain, sunshine, wind, sunshine, rain, clouds, sunshine … and that was the first fkn hour!

  426. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2021 6:47 pm

    The Texas Democratic party chair, Gilberto Hinojosa, said in a statement that he wished Abbott well and hoped for his speedy recovery.

    “Covid is not a partisan issue,” Hinojosa said. “This is a stark reminder that no one is immune to this surge, especially as the Delta variant continues to spread rapidly among our communities.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/17/texas-governor-greg-abbott-coronavirus-covid-tests-positive

  427. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2021 7:18 pm

    Dear Neil
    Please don’t prove to be a f**kwit. Get vaccinated, it has nothing to do with politics. It has plenty to do with intelligence
    Cheers
    Tom

  428. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 18, 2021 7:59 pm

    Tom

    And if the govt told you to jump off a cliff would you?? Most probably nothing wrong with these vaccines but what is next?? They are conditioning us to take any govt orders.

  429. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2021 12:33 pm

    And if the govt told you to jump off a cliff would you?

    I find it hilarious that most of the ‘hesitancy’ has come from the government themselves. I also think this is by design.

    They have pent the better part of the past two decades traducing trust in science and expert knowledge. They themselves have put out many contradictory statements around AZ to begin with. And now, they use this barely existent ‘hesitancy” to try and explain away their monumental failure in vaccine delivery.

    I wonder how many who jumped on board the anti AGW bandwagon are now frustrated at this ‘hesitancy’ in the community, and if they hold themselves at all even partly responsible for its appearance?

  430. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2021 12:37 pm

    “I find it hilarious that most of the ‘hesitancy’ has come from the government themselves.”

    Particularly from that Queensland cunt Jeannette Young!

  431. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2021 12:40 pm

    And now we have: Children born during pandemic have lower IQs, US study finds.

    Doubt it’s anything to do with Covid. The study is from Brown University. More likely they oversampled leftist parents.

  432. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 19, 2021 12:52 pm

    And now, they use this barely existent ‘hesitancy” to try and explain away their monumental failure in vaccine delivery.

    TomR

    That comment was dealt with up the page. There are other countries more needy than us.

    Simon Birmingham on Thursday said Australia has had supply challenges “because European countries and drug companies have favoured those nations who’ve had high rates of Covid for the delivery of vaccines like Pfizer”.

    “Which has put countries like New Zealand and Australia at the back of the queue in terms of receipt of some of those vaccines,” Birmingham said

  433. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2021 2:09 pm

    because European countries and drug companies have favoured those nations who’ve had high rates of Covid for the delivery of vaccines like Pfizer

    That’s an outright lie. They filled the orders as received. We just didn’t order any. Passing blame is all they do. All we needed to do was order, and they would have come.

  434. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 19, 2021 3:19 pm

    TomR

    How come you have so much inside information about when the govt placed the vaccine orders??

    BTW climate change (AGW) is not science. It is computer modelling. And with computers GIGO.

  435. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2021 6:24 pm

    It is computer modelling.

    By —– wait for it —— scientists, who, I’m guessing here, are far more knowledgable and qualified than you or google “experts” and 2GB gabblers … oh and especially Sky “commentators” …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Particularly from that Queensland cunt Jeannette Young!

    Mmmm … someone dropped their ice cream cone … ?

  436. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2021 6:30 pm

    Australia is hitting “extraordinary marks” in its vaccine rollout, the PM has announced, with 215 jabs now being administered every minute.

    Only Scotty could think that was “extraordinary” … reacive instead of proactive this could have happened 12 months or more ago!

    This government can’t even spell proactive unless its included in a scam for ministers or the Liberal Party …

    Reactive as always and blaming everyone else as usual … incompetence writ large!

    Ignorance abounds!

  437. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2021 9:35 pm

    How come you have so much inside information about when the govt placed the vaccine orders?

    It’s in the public domain. Do you recall recently Kevin Rudd called them, which brought morrison out from under his rock? Without that, we wouldn’t be getting what we are now. So yea, thank Rudd for that, not this mob.

    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/governments-appalling-error-rejects-offer-of-40-million-pfizer-doses-in-july-2020/

    It is computer modelling.

    Do you have any idea WHAT science is? No.

    this could have happened 12 months or more ago!

    I doubt it’s even happening now.

  438. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 19, 2021 11:20 pm

    TomR

    I have learnt over the years never to trust a ALP supporter. I am going to go with what Simon Birmingham said until proven otherwise.

    Your article is full of ifs butts and maybes

    Your article said the Pfizer vaccine was not even approved until the end of 2020. So we could not have got that vaccine 12 months ago. These things move at snail like pace most of the time. I think you are just playing politics and your opinions would be different if Labor was in power

  439. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2021 9:29 am

    jebus nil, NOTHING was approved when orders were being placed. Wake the fuck up.

    Everything at the time was ‘ifs’ and ‘buts’ (butts? wtf?). This is why everyone, from the opposition leader to experts in their fields (trigger warning) were pleading with the government to cast their net wide. Instead, they backed almost solely the one company with close ties to the liberal party.

    They were proven wrong. They were proven have put us at risk through their choices.

    And now they are trying to blame us for their failure.

  440. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2021 10:09 am

    TR, Kneel only believes in Russian scientists … according to some of his comments a few years ago … 😎

  441. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2021 10:17 am

    TomR

    Your link says this

    The medical advice – the USFDA’s approval of Pfizer – didn’t occur until the end of 2020.

    So they could not have got it 12 months ago, And if your link can be trusted it says the govt decided to go with the AstraZeneca vaccine.

  442. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2021 11:07 am

    AstraZeneca wasn’t approved until Feb 2021. Do you have a point nil?

    And no, nobody got it when they ordered it. Do you even know what an ‘order’ is ffs?

    At first, I just assumed it was our government being bone lazy and not ordering a variety of vaccines like all the other first world countries did, and like Labor were pleading with them to do. But then we found out that Pfizer had even been offered to them, and they had actually refused it, deciding to just stay with one, that turned out to be pretty shit.

    This is all on them, nobody else.

  443. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2021 12:10 pm

    AstraZeneca wasn’t approved until Feb 2021. Do you have a point nil?

    Well TB said this about 215 jabs now being administered every minute

    Only Scotty could think that was “extraordinary” … reacive instead of proactive this could have happened 12 months or more ago!

    So it could not have been started 12 months ago as he stated

    And none of us have access to the medical advice. It appears that the AstraZeneca vaccine is like a traditional vaccine which uses a dead virus to generate antibodies. So it is most probably a safer option than the other one which uses DNA technology.

  444. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2021 12:21 pm

    So it is most probably a safer option than the other one which uses DNA technology.

    Tell it to the dead people dickhead

  445. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2021 12:48 pm

    Tell it to the dead people dickhead

    Have you heard of Thalidomide??? There could be problems rushing medical products.

    If i am forced to get the vaccine i will go with the one which uses the more standard way of creating a vaccine. The one which uses the dead virus rather than the new fangled DNA technology.

  446. August 20, 2021 1:21 pm

    So Victoria’s right wing media are attacking the Victorian Govt for taking measures that the NSW right wing media are screaming at the NSW Govt for not taking sooner …..ok.

  447. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2021 1:26 pm

    …..ok.

    #uaspols predictable if noting else, just look at nil

    He’s the end product of the right wings anti science campaign over the past two decades, and it’s not a pretty sight

  448. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2021 2:15 pm

  449. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2021 2:28 pm

    1. Whenever I go to out for groceries, I buy something made by SPC. I see many others have the same attitude, because various items are sold out. Taking on anti vaxers seems to be good for business
    2. Health care workers who are vaccine hesitant have self selected out of the health care industry. They are employed by health authorities that are recommending vaccination. They’ll have to find alternative employment

  450. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2021 3:36 pm

    Taking on anti vaxers seems to be good for business

    I am not an anti-vaxer. I have had all the vaccines available since birth. But these ones have been rushed.

    Plus i suspect this will not be the end but just the beginning.

  451. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2021 3:36 pm

    Very meaningful, ToM … I think … what actually is the meaning of your comment?

  452. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2021 3:37 pm

    Plus i suspect this will not be the end but just the beginning.

    Deep … and meaningless …

    WTF is going on here?

    Stir crazy?

  453. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2021 4:42 pm

    “…..ok”

    I thought Stairman Dan did a surprisingly good press conference today.

  454. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2021 4:55 pm

    Kneel … NEWS FLASH!

    https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/pfizer-effectiveness-declines-faster-than-az-new-study/news-story/3050640a0795278d3e7f9c51810816d3

    The effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine against Covid-19 declines faster than that of the AstraZeneca jab, according to a new study published on Thursday.

    “Two doses of Pfizer-BioNTech have greater initial effectiveness against new Covid-19 infections, but this declines faster compared with two doses of Oxford-AstraZeneca,” researchers at Oxford University said.

  455. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2021 4:59 pm

    Also in today’s conference it was revealed that a group of 11 people who attended an illegal beachside party in Sydney’s east have tested positive to Covid.

    Chief health officer Dr Kerry Chant blasted the illegal gathering in Maroubra in today’s press conference. She said residents cannot be doing this when the rate of infection was so high.

  456. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2021 7:01 pm

    Welcome to right wing political blackmail …

    The Morrison government has warned state and territory leaders to ease restrictions when 70% and 80% vaccination targets are met or risk breaching a “deal with the Australian people” and losing economic supports.

    Scott Morrison warned leaders not to backtrack on the national plan to reopen ahead of a national cabinet meeting on Friday, while the treasurer, Josh Frydenberg, reinforced the message by adding they “should have no expectation that commonwealth assistance will continue” at the current scale.

    The comments come after Labor premiers and chief ministers in Queensland, Victoria, the Australian Capital Territory and Western Australia put caveats on the four-phase plan to reopen agreed in late July at national cabinet.

    when 70% and 80% vaccination targets

    Which one Sooty! Dithering prime minister who blames everyone else for its failings …

    Joe Biden (actually the US military) made an awful misjudgement in Afghanistan … but they wore it … including acceptance of the Afghani runners …

    Saigon 1975 should be a Western Government Primer … and a military “What Not To Do” exercise …

    Big difference between VN and AF was that the Vietcong overran Saigon … and the evacuation was declared – not planned … AF was declared … THEN overrun … what happened to “covert”? FFS!

  457. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2021 9:44 pm

    Welcome to right wing political blackmail …

    I guess your point is if in power Labor would be different. I agree. Labor would say 90% vaccinated or you cannot leave home.

  458. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2021 9:35 am

    Scroll to the bottom of these photos and you’ll find one of Wally in his boat on holiday in the UK … amazing!

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/gallery/2021/aug/20/the-week-in-wildlife-in-pictures

  459. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2021 11:06 am

    Looks like we don’t have a shortage of vaccine

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/melbourne/astrazeneca-stockpile-grows-to-millions-as-pfizer-stock-set-to-arrive/ar-AANyhlX?ocid=msedgntp

    Australia has a stockpile of more than 6 million unused AstraZeneca vaccine doses, and doctors and state leaders fear many will go to waste as people increasingly turn to the new supply of Pfizer jabs promised by the federal government.

  460. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2021 12:20 pm

    For the next couple of months we have to manage covid outbreaks according to ICU and ventilator load.
    Require people that attend work as delivery drivers etc to be tested every few days
    Enforce masks etc
    The current lockdown strategy isn’t working

  461. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2021 12:49 pm

    SMH … 😵😦🤯

  462. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2021 12:50 pm

    … as people increasingly turn to the new supply of Pfizer jabs promised by the federal government.

  463. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2021 1:42 pm

    TB

    So what?? They are actually throwing the AZ vaccine into the bin because they are not being used and have gone passed their expiry date. There are 6 million doses of AZ vaccine waiting around ready to be used.

    The AZ vaccine is the one i would use. It uses dead virus or part of the dead virus to generate antibodies. That is a normal vaccine

  464. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 21, 2021 4:53 pm

  465. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2021 6:21 pm

    The AZ vaccine is the one i would use.

    So “use” it!

  466. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2021 6:29 pm

    Splatterbottom permalink
    August 21, 2021 4:53 pm

    The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill

    ROFLMAO!

    Good old Winny is Rita’s hero … says it all …

    Widely considered one of the 20th century’s most significant figures, Churchill remains popular in the UK and Western world, where he is seen as a victorious wartime leader who played an important role in defending Europe’s liberal democracy against the spread of fascism. He is also praised as a social reformer. However, he has been criticised for some wartime events – notably the 1945 bombing of Dresden – and also for his imperialist views, including comments on race. Wikipedia

  467. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2021 6:33 pm

    I’m surprised, Rita , didn’t quote Maggie deThatcher …

    https://newlearningonline.com/new-learning/chapter-4/margaret-thatcher-theres-no-such-thing-as-society

  468. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2021 12:28 am

    I think Maggie Thatcher is right. Govt is taking over more and more. Children used to look after their elderly parents. Now the State does it

  469. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 22, 2021 8:20 am

    “Good old Winny is Rita’s hero … says it all …” Indeed!

    Churchill was the ultimate anti-fascist. Rita is pro-democracy and pro-civilisation.

    And Maggie was the woman who rescued Britain from being the “sick man of Europe” as it was known at the time. Labor and the unions had reduced the economy to rubble with their greedy demands and industrial action – rolling blackouts, uncollected garbage in the streets and corpses lined up waiting to be buries.

  470. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 22, 2021 8:21 am

    This:

  471. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 22, 2021 8:22 am

    Inevitably led to this:

  472. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2021 9:24 am

    Bogut uploaded a fiery video on Instagram this weekend where he said he was speaking on behalf of the “working class” who have been disadvantaged by lockdowns that have put people’s jobs in danger,

    Meet another hypocrite wanker … “working class”? FFS!

  473. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2021 11:01 am

    Churchill was the ultimate anti-fascist.

    He wasn’t the only ant-fascist … there were millions of them … he just happened to have a wealthy background and a better grasp than most on the skills of an orator, that certainly helped to win the war … but lost him the next election … tho’ its a pity we have no-one like Churchill to lead in these times of extreme crisis … never doubt that Churchill cost the lives of many allied ant-fascist troops … luckily both my parents (royal navy and ATS) survived along with three uncles and a auntie who also served …

    And Churchill would go on to predict and name “the Iron Curtain” …

    Just because I I know a little of his background and would not have liked the man doesn’t mean that I’m not “pro-democracy and pro-civilisation” (I think I know what you mean by pro-civilisation … I’m assuming capitalism … )

  474. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 22, 2021 3:00 pm

    ” … I’m assuming capitalism …”

    I wasn’t thinking of that but it is probably part of the mix. I was thinking more of the legacy bequeathed by ancient Greece and Rome and the enlightenment and the Scottish enlightenment. The opposite of the current leftist approach of dividing society into victim groups and fomenting hatred. Nothing good will come of that. Mongrel Jane Boyle is a classic example.

  475. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2021 3:10 pm

    Inevitably led to this:

    I’m not defending Biden the ‘withdrawal’ has been atrocious. At least they’ve done better than we have though. What’s the next several steps down from atrocious? That’s us

  476. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2021 3:13 pm

  477. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 22, 2021 3:19 pm

    What did we get from Ancient Rome???

  478. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2021 4:01 pm

    The Aqueduct?

  479. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2021 6:29 pm

    Let’s take those one at a time …

    1.

    I was thinking more of the legacy bequeathed by ancient Greece and Rome and the enlightenment and the Scottish enlightenment.

    The legacy of Rome? An Empire Dictatorship (thanks to Ceasar) ruled by fear, bloodlust and madmen that crushed any discontent with death … read the New Testament (it had the best military in the world and is still modelled by most modern armies) … Caesar was no hero …

    The legacy of Greece? To which Greece do you refer … Athens, Sparta, Corinth, Thebes, Syracuse, Aegina, Rhodes, Argos, Eretria, or Elis … you really think our democracy came from there … ?

    The Scottish enlightenment … after reading some of your insults here I’m not sure you actually understand the, “Scots Enlichtenment” …

    2.

    The opposite of the current leftist approach of dividing society into victim groups and fomenting hatred.

    Articulate writing doesn’t make you a scholar … mirroring the right wing approach to politics on the left wing … done before …

    Just a reminder that some of us have been successful in life thanks to capitalism (not necessarily democracy – I wish there was something better) … and the capability to successfully operate their own business …

    However, recognising that not all people have the same abilities, opportunities, education, experiences, drive, dedication and mental or physical ability and that many need help does not make you radically left wing … but finding those folk a burden and a cost does make you ……….?

  480. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2021 6:35 pm

    eg

    More than 100 former Australian embassy staffers have been rejected for visas to Australia, despite many working there until the day it closed.

    Where is the compassion that christians burble about so much … especially this Federal government!

    Despot cruelty! No better than the Taliban executioners!

  481. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2021 9:41 am

    Meanwhile we’re 3 weeks into a one week (short, sharp) lockdown, there’s only 2 months to go!
    Hard lockdown is a failed strategy.

  482. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2021 10:38 am

    What number lockdown is this in Vic again?

    Why did they stop the other ones?

  483. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2021 10:40 am

    RIP Don Everly …

  484. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2021 10:42 am

    Hard lockdown is a failed strategy.

    So what should be done, ToM? What would you do?

  485. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 23, 2021 10:52 am

    “The legacy of Rome? “

    Can you not find any positive lessons from ancient Rome? One small example – look into why Cincinnati got its name and what that had to do with the emergence of the first modern democracy in the US.

    It is precisely because of the ability of the founding fathers to learn lessons from the past that the US revolution led to a constitutional republic. The French, like the modern left, thought that they could remake the world anew. Hence their revolution ended in bloodlust and dictatorship.

    “The legacy of Greece? To which Greece do you refer”

    I refer to the philosophers, political thinkers, scientists, poets, playwrights and mathematicians. The subsequent Western intellectual tradition is just a series of footnotes to the ideas birthed in ancient Greece. The Romans were good administrators but sent their children to Greece for their education. The willful forgetting of the past by the modern left will end in destructive savagery.

    “I’m not sure you actually understand the, “Scots Enlichtenment” …”

    The usual reference is to “Scottish Enlightenment”. I’ve read a couple of books on the subject. If you Google “Scots Enlightenment”, the first page turns up only hits titled “Scottish Enlightenment” including Britannica, Oxford, Wikipedia, Stanford, Harper Collins, and BBC. But I’m sure you know better.

    ” some of us have been successful in life”

    I’ve always said I admire that you succeeded in building a business. It is not something I did or could do. Nor can I sing and I am truly admire your ability in that regard. However, you aren’t perfect and need to have your defects pointed out from time to time. But I’ll save that for another day.

    “does not make you radically left wing”

    I’ve never thought of you as radically left wing or a destructive force on society and my earlier comments weren’t directed at you. I’m sure you are a decent human being who cares deeply about others, particularly those less fortunate than yourself. Its just that you are bit more wedded to Labor. I had an uncle like you and I have a sister in the same boat, having been elected to local council on an ALP ticket. We all get on well enough.

  486. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2021 11:19 am

    * 18 months ago we procured a thousand ventilators. We’re using a tent of them.
    * Hard lockdown and policing of localities where there are cases
    * Maintain restrictions on public and private gatherings
    * Police mask wearing
    * Don’t pander to the vaccine hesitant, get in with it
    …and don’t bother with an argument about acceptance of illness and death. There are dozens of government agencies that routinely model policy cost and efficiency vs illness, injury and fatality.
    We need to manage risk to vulnerable groups and not spend the next 2 or 3 months in lockdown

  487. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2021 12:09 pm

    The French, like the modern left, thought that they could remake the world anew.

    Trying to simplify and make broad statements like that is stupid splats. I can do it too

    Hitler modelled his Reich after what Imperial Civilization again?

    Be better than that.

    There are dozens of government agencies that routinely model policy cost and efficiency vs illness, injury and fatality.

    Yes, and when the death count gets too high …. This is the issue yomm, Then, factor in Long Covid etc.

  488. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 23, 2021 12:18 pm

    emergence of the first modern democracy in the US.

    I think the first modern democracy was the English Republic under Oliver Cromwell. It was a disaster. But it was still the first. During the Putney debates they actually talked about giving the vote to every man or women but it was too radical for the time. They left it at a property qualification (40 schillings)

  489. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2021 12:25 pm

    Lockdown the vulnerable, use the ventilators
    If Andrews had announced a 2 month lockdown instead of a short sharp one week lockdown, there would have been riots
    This is the last time I will observe a hard lockdown

  490. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 23, 2021 12:27 pm

    “Be better than that.”

    OK. Not all of the modern left. But certainly the critical race theorists and the biological gender denialists are a plague on society.

    And there can be little doubt that the US founding fathers succeeded where the French revolutionaries failed is to do with the care they took to learn from the past. Year zero cults, like the French revolutionaries have little chance of success. It is precisely their arrogance that made them and their modern equivalents ignorant. And dangerous.

    A better approach is to reflect on the past, keep the best bits and improve the rest.

  491. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2021 2:24 pm

    This is the last time I will observe a hard lockdown

    harden up tosser.

    You don’t even lose money from this, it’s just your lifestyle impacted.

    and their modern equivalents

    Interested in who their ‘modern equivalents’ are?

    Gough Whitlam? Sweden? Iceland, New Zealand??

  492. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 23, 2021 2:58 pm

    None of them. I told you who.

    Mongrel Jane Boyle is an example.

  493. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 23, 2021 2:59 pm

    Looks like feeble-minded Creepy Joe has lost Tony Blair.

  494. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2021 4:26 pm

    er Tony Blair and George W Bush both started this shit they have their own barras to push … the withdrawal was a shambles but I wonder what Biden’s milityary advisors were doing?

    Any bloody NCO (or lower) could see what would happen (just not so fast!) … what are four star general for? Just following Trump on a bible promotion …

    Jesus – the military “prides’ itself on mastery of logistics … or it should …

    As I said earlier … an awful B Grade version of the fall of Saigon …

  495. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2021 4:39 pm

    The Daily Mail … about a story I actually watched on TV months ago …

    And didn’t Boyle apologise?

  496. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2021 4:45 pm

    I see Golden Glad is on her high horse again … instead of getting on with her disaster, she’s advising other states on what to do …

    Sounds like somewhere you could settle down, ToM …

    “In NSW, having a relatively good 18 months compared to the rest of the world, we are (now) facing what every other jurisdiction has faced and that’s confronting,” Ms Berejiklian said.

    “But that’s OK because every state in Australia is going to have to go through this eventually.

    “Eventually, borders are going to have to come down and it’s up to how each premier responds to the national plan.

    “But whenever the borders come down, Delta is going to be part of (life).”

    Ms Berejiklian also hit out at other premiers for failing to recognise that NSW accepts the majority of the 3000 (capped) international arrivals each week.

    “NSW is the … most densely populated state in Australia and we have to accept that the challenges that we face here are very different from what happens in Tasmania and even WA, which is a more isolated state,” she said.

    “(But) it doesn’t mean that we (shouldn’t) all allow our citizens to live as safely and as freely as possible (once vaccinations rates were high).”

    Actions speak louder than drivel …

  497. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 23, 2021 4:53 pm

    “I wonder what Biden’s military advisors were doing?”

    Making sure all diversity protocols were being satisfied!

  498. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 23, 2021 4:55 pm

  499. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 23, 2021 5:03 pm

    The total cost of Covid is way higher than those who died directly of the disease (or with the disease).

    We were never all in this together. Politicians and many others got pay rises or at least maintained their lifestyle while others lost their livelihoods or lost hope.

  500. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 23, 2021 5:05 pm

  501. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 23, 2021 6:17 pm

    I was thinking more of the legacy bequeathed by ancient Greece and Rome

    I have heard Americans say they got their govt from Greece or Rome. Some say Greece and some say Rome.

    I think the Americans say that because they are too embarrassed to say they got their govt from the British. US govt was modelled on British parliament not ancient Greece and Rome.

    The colonial govts were just English parliament transferred to North America. Federal govt uses British Parliamentary procedure to pass legislation

  502. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 23, 2021 6:43 pm

    “I think the Americans say that because they are too embarrassed to say they got their govt from the British. US govt was modeled on British parliament not ancient Greece and Rome.”

    Your really are deeply stupid, Neil. Do you ever check anything before opening your mouth?

    The proceedings of the constitutional conventions have been preserved. The Federalist papers should be required reading for any one interested in human liberty and freedom. Certainly British philosophers, especially Locke, were influential. But the Senate is nothing like the House of Lords and the US House of Reps is nothing like the UK House of Commons of the time.

  503. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 23, 2021 6:52 pm

    Representative government is an English invention. It did not exist in the ancient world.

    Parliamentary procedure is used to pass legislation in Congress AFAIK. They use Jeffersons Manual written by Jefferson which was the first book to write down Parliamentary Procedure which evolved during the long centuries of Parliamentary development in England.

    And i think the govt of the colonies was just English parliament transferred to North America

  504. Tony permalink
    August 23, 2021 11:42 pm

    Jeroen Weimar, Victoria’s Covid 19 Tracing “Commander” (don’t you love public servants adopting military terminology?), said this at today’s press conference: “We’ve got examples of kids collapsing at school and vomiting, that’s how sick they are.”

    But we’ve been locked down and schools have been closed for weeks. It’s almost as if they’re trying to justify all the unsuccessful lockdowns by invoking the “won’t somebody think of the children” gambit.

  505. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2021 8:14 am

    Neil, I’m not going to waste my time arguing with you. You truly are a stupid autistic cunt.

    If you do even a perfunctory search using the terms “Greece”, “Rome” and “founding fathers” you will find plenty of material to disabuse you of your errors. If you really want to look at the matter in more depth you might try reading this book or this one or this one.

    But it seems that, as always, you are incapable of learning or of improving yourself. You repeat the same garbage ideas again and again and again. It is your autism – your one-track mind and your inability for self-reflection – that makes you this way. You need to consult a good cognitive therapist.

  506. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2021 8:22 am

    As someone having a Norman heritage – ie Norseman settled in Normandy … I quote, Wikepedia.

    (No, “Vikings” are not a people)

    The first parliaments date back to the Middle Ages. In 930, the first assembly of the Alþingi was convened at Þingvellir in Iceland, becoming the earliest version of a formalized parliamentary system.

    Not to be confused with democracy …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

    Whatever system of decision making is employed there will always be lobbying, in the background, muddying the waters …

    And it was never true democracy anyway …

    Suffragettes were members of women’s organisations in the late-19th and early-20th centuries who, under the banner “Votes for Women,” fought for women’s suffrage, the right to vote in public elections.

    The Commonwealth Electoral Act 1962 received assent on 21 May 1962. It granted all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people the option to enrol and vote in federal elections. Enrolment was not compulsory for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, unlike other Australians.

    Origins and “types” will always be a moot point … another Scandinavian “invention” … later bastardised by the Poms …

    The word “moot” originates from a scandinavian word meaning simply a meeting. The meetings concerned were assemblies of the members of a community for legislative or judicial purposes. The word was given its present meaning in the English Inns of Court in the sixteenth century where law students would present their legal arguments on a given set of factual circumstances (often resembling real cases) before one or several senior lawyers or judges.

  507. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2021 9:54 am

  508. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2021 11:03 am

    If you do even a perfunctory search using the terms “Greece”, “Rome” and “founding fathers” you will find plenty of material to disabuse you of your errors.

    OK but it makes no sense to me to say the Founders got their govt from Greece and/or Rome. I think the Americans are too embarrassed to say they got their govt from England

    Where did the govts for the 13 Colonies come from?? Did the Colonial govts which evolved into the State govts also come from Rome?? Surely colonial government was just English Parliament transferred to North America

    Plus they use English Parliamentary Procedure to pass legislation in Congress. Thomas Jefferson was the first American to put in writing Parliamentary procedure for Americans. The book was called Jeffersons Manual

  509. Tony permalink
    August 24, 2021 12:19 pm

    [This thread’s getting a bit long for my mobile to handle. It keeps crashing!]

  510. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2021 12:35 pm

    “OK but it makes no sense to me to say the Founders got their govt from Greece and/or Rome.”

    I didn’t say that, Neil. Here is what I actually said:

    I was thinking more of the legacy bequeathed by ancient Greece and Rome and the enlightenment and the Scottish enlightenment.

    And there can be little doubt that the US founding fathers succeeded where the French revolutionaries failed is to do with the care they took to learn from the past.

    Both of those statements are true.

  511. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2021 1:49 pm

    I have heard Americans say they got their govt from Greece and/or Rome. I find it hard to believe. I suspect it is more “sexy” to say you got your govt from Rome than the hated British.

    One thing they did not get was from Rome was Parliamentary Procedure. They got that from Britain

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_procedure#History

    In the 16th and 17th century, there were rules of order in the early parliaments of England.[3] In the 1560s Sir Thomas Smyth began the process of writing down accepted procedures and published a book about them for the House of Commons in 1583.[3] Early rules included

    One subject should be discussed at a time (adopted 1581)[3][4]
    Personal attacks are to be avoided in debate (1604)[3]
    Debate must be limited to the merits of the question (1610)[3]
    Division of a question when some seem to be for one part but not the other (1640)

    American procedures
    The rules of the United States Congress were developed from the parliamentary procedures used in Britain.[6

  512. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2021 4:22 pm

    Neil, what you have said above is irrelevant to my earlier propositions.

  513. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2021 4:57 pm

    The main unique thing the US Founders did was form a Federation instead of a Unitary govt. The Brits thought it was such a good idea they did the same thing here.

    Britain at the time was a Unitary State and even to this day England does not have a Parliament.

    I think the Americans are too proud to admit they got anything from England. When i spent some time there i showed them the 1689 English Bill of Rights. They had no idea England had a BOR and their 10 Amendments was modelled on the EBOR

  514. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2021 6:34 pm

    Britain at the time was a Unitary State and even to this day England does not have a Parliament.

    Don’t tell a Scot or an Irishman that!

    And don’t ever mention the War of the Roses to a Yorkshireman/woman … Yorkshire the largest county in England!

    ========================

    I think the Americans are too proud to admit they got anything from England.

    Sorry to disappoint, most of them either don’t give a shit or don’t even know where England is! But if you’ve been there you’d know that.

    Serious question: What’s the difference between a United States and a Commonwealth of States … (and the answer isn’t a Civil War* … yet!)

  515. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2021 6:36 pm

    Kneel, you haven’t mentioned the Magna Carta … I have a vellum (real vellum) copy framed in my study!

  516. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2021 8:05 pm

    …don’t even know where England is! But if you’ve been there you’d know that

    TB goes on a Women’s Weekly World Discovery tour to Disneyland and Nashville and becomes an expert on what 330 million Americans know

  517. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2021 6:41 am

  518. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2021 6:46 am

    Covid will do that if you’re not careful.

  519. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2021 8:55 am

    Serious question: What’s the difference between a United States and a Commonwealth of States

    My understanding is that the 13 Colonies that rebelled against Britain were regarded as 13 independent countries after they won their independence. They then formed a Confederation under the Articles of Confederation which is a loose association of States but that did not work. So they then formed a Federation which is a sovereign union of sovereign States.

    The Americans are really lucky their rebellion worked. They would have a different opinion if they started killing each other.

  520. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2021 11:19 am

    TB goes on a Women’s Weekly World Discovery tour to Disneyland

    Just like ToM you make shit up … and worst of all … believe it!

    I worked in the USofA and Chile as a consultant to Tamrock … now owned by Sandvik … 😛

    When were you there?

  521. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2021 11:23 am

    They would have a different opinion if they started killing each other.

    They did kill each other … I recommend Bernard Cornwall’s Starbuck series (books)

    The Civil War in the United States began in 1861, after decades of simmering tensions between northern and southern states over slavery, states’ rights and westward expansion. … The War Between the States, as the Civil War was also known, ended in Confederate surrender in 1865.

    The conflict was the costliest and deadliest war ever fought on American soil, with some 620,000 of 2.4 million soldiers killed, millions more injured and much of the South left in ruin.

    I recommend Bernard Cornwall’s Starbuck series (books)

  522. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2021 11:53 am

    1. TB ridicules James for making personal observations about the condition of the GBR. And not just James
    2. TB makes a personal observation about the knowledge of a few hundred million people because he’s been there
    3. TB thinks his personal observations should be taken seriously, but not others
    4. Hilarious!

  523. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2021 12:29 pm

    You truly are a stupid autistic cunt.

    Call him stupid, call him a cunt, but don’t link autism with that. Autism is a wide spectrum, of a wide variety of abilities, or not.

    Don’t perpetuate the stereotype.

    TB ridicules James for making personal observations about the condition of the GBR

    That’s because james was a stupid cunt. He was just a few years ahead of the stupidity displayed by poorleen hanson

  524. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2021 12:39 pm

    TB, makes a personal observation based on taking to some conveyor and dredging people, and assigns the opinion of dredging types to another 330,000,000 people.
    He thinks this is a view that should be respected

  525. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2021 2:14 pm

    Call him stupid, call him a cunt, but don’t link autism with that

    I may be stupid but it makes no sense to me to say the USA got its govt from Greece and Rome.

    One thing we got from the Americans was the concept of a Federal govt. And they made it so that each State in the Union has the same number of seats in the Senate no matter the population of those States. The Brits must of thought of it as a good idea because that is what they did with us. I think they thought that up themselves and did not get that idea from the ancient world.

    However I think the Americans are ashamed to admit what they got from Britain. Much sexier to say you got your culture from Greece and/or Rome

  526. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2021 3:40 pm

    “Call him stupid, call him a cunt, but don’t link autism with that.”

    His stupidity, cuntiness and autism are different vectors. They are separate. A person may exhibit one, some, all or none of them. Just because he exhibits all three doesn’t imply that all autistic people are stupid cunts. Anyway it is moo point. I am done arguing with the fucker. It only encourages him to believe that he is worth talking to.

  527. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2021 4:32 pm

    I am done arguing with the fucker

    I just want to know what the USA got from Rome and/or Greece. I have heard that statement many times but have not seen much evidence for it.

    The immediate similarity i can see is that both were slave owning societies.

    Rome has a Senate so i guess the USA got that from Rome. But Britain has the House of Lords. It is a House of Review also. So some similarities.

    Britain had a separation of powers in 1776 with the KIng being the executive and Parliament being the Legislative branch. In 1776 the British King executed the Laws but he had to get them through Parliament.

    Maybe the USA got the English language from Rome. Who knows??

  528. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2021 9:02 pm

    It only encourages him to believe that he is worth talking to.

    Welcome to the calm side.

    (I’m hoping I can fuck that up for ya though 🙂 )

  529. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2021 11:41 am

    TB, makes a personal observation based on taking to some conveyor and dredging people

    Speaking of making shit up …

    James? Bloody hell? You’ve checking the archives again (near the bottom) … and you still have feelings for —– James?

    My word …

  530. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2021 12:02 pm

    TB suggests most Americans are ignorant because they don’t know where England is. This is absolute nonsense and just reflects bigoted views
    But TB, how about you prove your expertise by seeing how many countries you can correctly identify on this map.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Blank_Map-Africa.svg

  531. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2021 12:15 pm

    Chuckle.

    I just realised, ToM, apologies, I know “lockdowns ” are a problem for you … BTW did you read that Dan Andrews is looking good for the next election …

  532. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2021 12:40 pm

    I was talking to a taxi driver in Mackay once, he couldn’t name the capital of Venezuela.
    Queenslanders are such ignorant f***wits

  533. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2021 12:48 pm

    TB suggests most Americans are ignorant because they don’t know where England is.

    I think the average American is quite ignorant. It is not their fault. They don’t have as much interaction with the outside world that we do. We are brought up on American television. Play cricket every summer with a different nation. Travel overseas more often. When an American goes on holiday he may take a campervan to California

    Most Americans don’t even know we took part in WW2.

  534. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2021 4:14 pm

    Queenslanders are such ignorant f***wits

    So much so that Queensland has run out of space for all the Mexicans and Cockroaches that want to cross our borders!

  535. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2021 5:04 pm

    It’s actually ignorant to assign Americans a singular culture or attitude or knowledge base.
    Those that do that are demonstrating their own ignorance.
    So I can only say that it is worh noting that TB and Neil are in ignorant agreement on that point.

  536. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2021 5:26 pm

    Tom

    I lived in the USA for a while. Most have no idea of a world outside of the USA. The best of everything is in the USA, scientists, engineers etc. But the vast bulk of the population is ignorant.

    We would be too if we were not part of the Commonwealth. We get to play cricket every summer with a foreign nation.

    The USA plays baseball with their own World Series composed of Americans and nobody else.

  537. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2021 6:29 pm

    Neil, after all this time I’m surprised that you haven’t realised that personal observation here counts for zilch, unless they are TB’s personal observations.
    The USA has about 15 times the population of Australia. That scale means something.
    It means that the US version of a redneck backwater like Mackay in Qld would have the population of a city about the size of Adelaide.
    But the attitudes would be similar.
    I’m reasonably familiar with the US, and my (far more valid and informed) view is that the people in US cities are just as sophisticated and informed as people in the civilised parts of Australia. And certainly far more sophisticated, well read and worldly than people in places like Brisbane

  538. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2021 6:39 pm

    Tom

    Perhaps. But Americans don’t have the exposure to the outside world that we have. I lived there before the internet many years ago. To get news of the outside world i subscribed the The Weekend Australian and listened to the BBC world service on NPR radio at 1AM in the morning..

    If not for that i would have no idea what was going on outside the USA.

    When the Americans have the World Series in baseball only the Americans turn up. Says it all.

  539. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2021 6:46 pm

    Well, you and TB are in agreement and I have a contrary view to you both.
    I take great confidence from that.

  540. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2021 7:27 pm

    Tom

    The average American knows nothing of the outside world.

    They play baseball. When they have a World Series only American teams turn up.

    When we have World Series in cricket half the planet turns up.

    The Americans i worked with did not even know Australia took part in WW2.

  541. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2021 8:09 pm

    Neil, I think you might have said most of that previously.
    I think the people that live in places like New York, Boston, Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, Sacramento, Chicago, New Orleans, Philadelphias and many others, are far more worldly than people in Brisbane, Mackay, Townsville.
    As for their knowledge of whether we were in WW2, do you know whether or not Tonga was in the Vietnam War. It’s about the same scale.

  542. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2021 9:26 pm

    Tom

    My main point is the average aussie has more contact with the outside world than the average American.

  543. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2021 11:15 am

    … my (far more valid and informed) view

    Please Explain?

    (Note: Google and Youtube do not count as “valid”) 😎

  544. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2021 11:17 am

    /And certainly far more sophisticated, well read and worldly than people in places like Brisbane

    Surely that is contraire to your ramblings above …

  545. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2021 11:20 am

    Well, you and TB are in agreement and I have a contrary view to you both.
    I take great confidence from that.

    And I’m pleased about that too … at least you recognise that we have both experienced the USA … in the real world and real time.

    Well done ToM!

  546. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2021 11:24 am

    Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 26, 2021 8:09 pm

    christ you say some weird things …

    Still you know three cities in Queensland … and it didn’t take you long to Goggle them …

    BTW.

    Tonga first served with the 1st MEF on the Solomon Island during World War II. The Royal Tongan Marines returned from Iraq in December 2004.

    Septic Tanks would think Tonga was a mouthwash or softdrink …

  547. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 27, 2021 11:46 am

    1. Real world experience is not acceptable, unless it is TB’s “real world”
    2. If TB and Neil agree, it’s clearly wrong

  548. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2021 12:23 pm

    2. If TB and Neil agree, it’s clearly wrong

    Get stuffed. Apparently i have agreed with TB for once. So What??

    For the one millionth time. We have more exposure to the outside world than Americans

    We are brought up on the Beverly Hillbillies, The Brady Bunch, Get Smart, etc plus Americans Movies etc. The list goes on and on

    Most of people in the USA know little of the outside world.

    Would not surprise me if some think they got the English language from ancient Rome or Greece

  549. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 27, 2021 1:48 pm

    Give it away ToM. You’ve hit the brick wall of stupidity that is Neil. He is completely unable to reflect on what you say or re-think his own position or to think at all for that matter.

  550. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2021 6:21 pm

    Real world experience is not acceptable, unless it is TB’s “real world”

    So prove yer BS!

    For the one millionth time. We have more exposure to the outside world than Americans

    Yes, Kneel, and we have clashed for years … but ToM thinks he knows everything but proves nothing … he asks “probing” (chuckle) questions … but never answers questions … just like a surfer would!

  551. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2021 6:23 pm

    Would not surprise me if some think they got the English language from ancient Rome or Greece

    What a classic* reply .. well done Kneel!

  552. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2021 8:07 pm

    Splatterbum

    Thank you for you kind words

    Have you heard of the say “”NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION””

    Well that idea started in England in the 1200’s. The unelected Council to King John forced him somehow to sign a document that said that the English could not be taxed without their consent. The document was Magna Carta

    That concept of no taxation without consent was transferred into Parliament when it got up and running in the 1200’s/1300’s. So they had the English King by the balls. He/She could declare war on Scotland but he/she could not do it without money. To get the money he/she had to call up Parliament to authorise the money needed.

    The Americans did not get NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION from Greece or Rome. They got it from England

  553. ivi permalink
    August 28, 2021 3:57 am

    (E pluribus unum, eh?)

  554. ivi permalink
    August 28, 2021 4:03 am

    (E pluribus unum, eh?*)

  555. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2021 9:36 am

    ha! ivi, survives … August 28, 2021 3:57 am

    If you haven’t had the pleasure … I suggest

    “Thinking, Fast and Slow” Daniel Kahneman We are constantly in two minds ..

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    As for Americans … a sample

    A decision by US officials in Kabul to provide the Taliban with specific names of American citizens and Afghan allies, in a bid to grant them access to the city‘s airport, has been deemed “appalling”, prompting outrage from politicians and military officials alike.

    Ask a digger what he/she really thinks about American military …

  556. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 28, 2021 3:28 pm

    Splatterbum

    You need to read this

    https://theguttertrash.com/2021/07/27/heres-what-i-learned-from-gladys-berejiklian/#comment-188788

    No taxation without representation was the rally cry during the American Revolution. As Englishman the Americans believed they had a right to be taxed by their Representatives like all Englishman.

    BTW NO taxation without representation has nothing to do with democracy. It had to do with the English did not like the King taxing them anytime he felt like

    So what did the Americans get from Greece or Rome??

  557. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2021 6:21 pm

    Labor frontbencher Andrew Leigh has blasted the government’s mismanagement of JobKeeper, declaring the $98 billion scheme “funded bonuses for millionaire CEOs”.

    Mr Leigh’s comments came amid calls for businesses who profited from the wage subsidy program pay back the excess.

    The Federal Government Hearing Services Program Maintenance Agreement

    NOTICE: Due to Covid-19 the Australian Governmnet waived the patient contribution for maintenance for a set period of time. As of 1st July 2021 the Government requires patients to pay this fee.

    Who does the Federal Government support? The fucking hypocrisy of the religious right astounds me daily! Greed over need … profit over people!

  558. August 28, 2021 7:42 pm

    But, but, but TB… Haven’t you seen all the Hillsong community outreach groups providing support for the marginalised, the homeless, the victims of domestic violence, the disabled, the elderly and infirm, asylum seekers and the long terms unemployed…..??

    Brian Houston raked in $93 million dollars last year tax-fucking-free so it’s nice to know it’s being well spent.

    Did I mention he demanded (and received) an upgrade to a Presidential Suite during quarantine?

    The only good thing about all of this is seeing all the fucked up suckholes delusionally handing over their hard earned cash thinking it earns them a place in heaven. Fuckwits.

  559. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2021 6:52 pm

    Speaking of fuckwits … proof that losing weight does not make you smarter … in fact icould cause brain damage …

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/rebel-wilsons-tone-deaf-vitamin-advert-slammed-amid-pandemic/news-story/9113e0b05fafd6d0b0ff3eec2c40f800

    Why did I even look at that story … I blame SB’s “influence” …

  560. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 30, 2021 12:09 pm

    … I blame SB’s “influence” …

    There is a certain perverse pleasure in that!

  561. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 30, 2021 2:25 pm

    A good question. Their (and our) moral authority is shot!

  562. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 30, 2021 2:27 pm

    A president with senile dementia and a military leadership more interested in diversity than defeating the enemy ends up giving us this:

  563. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2021 6:27 pm

    There is a certain perverse pleasure in that!

    What bother with “perverse” … we know your pleasure is perverse already! 😎

    Their (and our) moral authority is shot!

    Their what? WTF do you live! How long have you been on this planet?

    … a military leadership more interested in diversity

    Please explain?

    … ends up giving us this:

    You’ve never heard of collateral damage?

    The real question is … WHY WERE WE REALLY THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?

    And don’t forget East Timor! Howard was “educated” by the radical US right wing. Take what you want … just send in the military (and our allies) — you don’t think Indonesia was told what would happen if we didn’t “land” in ET?

  564. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 31, 2021 8:51 am

    Biden’s legacy.

  565. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2021 10:28 am

    And don’t forget East Timor! Howard was “educated” by the radical US right wing.

    What about East Timor?? Lots of people think it a good idea we helped the East Timorese gain their independence

  566. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2021 12:01 pm

    What about East Timor?? … we helped the East Timorese gain their independence

    And then bugged their parliament and stole their offshore gas … some independence.

  567. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2021 12:03 pm

    The American President will never be forgiven for this!!

    Odd, I thought the Taliban ordered it!

    How to politicise murder …

  568. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2021 1:31 pm

    And then bugged their parliament and stole their offshore gas … some independence.

    Even if true so what?? Howard got East Timor their independence.

  569. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2021 4:28 pm

    FFS … grow up, Kneel, the gas was supposed to help East Timor’s economy … and it was stolen, you support stealing? Do you spy on your friends? Do you cheat?

  570. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2021 5:19 pm

    Like i said even if true so what?? If not for Howard they would still be under Indonesian rule.

    Australian Prime Minister Gough Whitlam told Indonesia that his government would not oppose an annexation of East Timor in 1975,[1] a decision that quickly proved controversial at home. In October 1975, Indonesian troops poured across East Timor’s border with Indonesian West Timor at the town of Balibo. Among those killed by the advancing
    Indonesian troops were five Australia-based journalists, who came to be known as the Balibo Five.

  571. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 3, 2021 1:45 pm

    “”””FFS … grow up, Kneel, the gas was supposed to help East Timor’s economy … and it was stolen, you support stealing?”””

    Do you support Gough Whitlam/ALP giving away East Timor to Indonesia???

    If not for Howard East Timor would not exist.

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