Here’s what I learned today from Gladys Berejiklian

because he said it 4 times at every press conference during the lockdown</i.

You can hardly blame a lot of them for their anger.

“ .. clear that neither the Premier nor her Health Minister Brad Hazzard have a concrete plan to navigate ..” Psst. Surely you don’t expect leadership out of the teabags do you. They have an entrenched theory of knot picking winners, so without the practice of picking winners, they never do.`

You might notice that the Victorian government got a sh*t load of cash from the federal government last year.

Looks like the current Coalition govt is now Australia’s most reckless spender. So i will take the view if you cannot beat them join them. I am going to apply

How NSW residents can get $750 payment
Sydney residents stuck in lockdown without work will receive a $750 a week disaster payment. Here is how to apply.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/disaster-payments-boosted/news-story/1bc22eee857bd28f339e36883ebc576f

hmm, perhaps people weren’t as crazy as they were told they were?

Wait, no, this can’t be right, can it?

Seems harmless, doesn’t it. Oh, what, there’s MORE to he story?

It came after breaches by Jai Arrow in the build-up to Origin III and families of players passing milk between one another across a balcony.

Milk you say? The horror!

I’m not sure you understand the concept of ‘quarantine’, or what it’s aim is?

Try the dickshunary, it may help you 😉

To be fair, who amongst us can honestly say this hasn’t……

He’s obviously not an executive, we have people that do that for us

Lockdown make no difference to old codgers, they just hang around homes and shout at the TV, as always. It’s only vibrant youthful types that are genuinely inconvenienced

I think you always refer to libraries because of your jealousy of my ability (and inclination) to read books without pictures

to regional areas, after successfully curbing the reach of the ABC into those areas, and knobbling the NBN enough in those areas to make the sharing of information prohibitive.

Coalition did not touch Labors NBN plan decided on a plane flight in 2009 for regional areas.

Regional areas are going to get fixed wireless and/or satellite as decided on that 2009 plane flight.

Splatterbum

I think Sarah is saying the govt should have held Skynews to account not Youtube. And what govt regulator is she talking about??

Apparently this is the reason Youtube banned Skynews

“””””””””””””””Sky News Australia has been banned from uploading content to YouTube for seven days after violating its medical misinformation policies by posting numerous videos which denied the existence of Covid-19 or encouraged people to use hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin.”””””””””””””””””””””””

Even the ABC fact checking shows ABC journalists are far more likely to vote Green than is typical in the electorate
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-13/fact-check3a-abc-greens-voters/9931782

If you think Thatcher (Or even Trump) can be mentioned in the same breath as Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, you’re weird

history says leftism doesn’t work.

I reckon the Magna Carta might have been considered pretty lefty for its day 😉

Re-reading this fuckwit’s article, his beef seems to be not so much that there are too many people from the political right, but that they are allowed on the program at all.

I guess that’s why he said, in two separate articles

“the distribution based on their Party affiliation shows that 79% are Liberals, 20% Nationals and 1% Labor and the Greens never had a voice”

The fact that they remove content isn’t a defense. You asked for his data, he showed it. He also explained the ‘cherry’ picking. Which, means, it’s not ‘cherry’ picking. yomm will be able to explain the difference 😉

Yeah, like the 2 Gold Coast women who visited Melbourne for shopping

How are my orbiting teapots. Still flying in formation l hope. .. lt is absolutely delicious to see the SloMo teabag govt produce an ocean of red ink that makes the pacific look like a puddle. .. By the time the superBug has finished mauling the primates chairman gladys will have regretted she inhaled all that ‘gold standard’ smoke slomo blew up her arse. .. Oh how l Love
the 2020s. Or as l like to think of it. The back in black decade.`

I think that’s what’s known as projection

Interesting that your ‘principle’ only got rattled when a private company decided they didn’t want dangerous lies that can hurt to to be spread on their platform, but you were more than quiet when the government was deciding to silence dissent from those who were only trying to protect others, with truth bombs the government found awkward.

Awkward for you too perhaps?

I’m not sure what one either tosy, but here’s one ACMA was happy with.

wonder how long this will be their position, once they are reminded that Dan Andrews pioneered the solution?

(How are my orbiting teapots. Still flying in formation l hope. ..

Oh, you know how it is….

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Some people, if you let them, would even have this beautiful piece of music banned!

Nah; not content with poking each other in the ear drums, the fraternising thugby players huddled together in their makeshift babble-bubble to commit to a de facto circle jerk of spit(s)-swapping(s); prophylaxis, however, is no spoof; which, perhaps, is why, depending on field and context, (incitement of) (in)discriminate) spitting, like any other body contact sport, could be classified as offensive, even in the (moral-)legal sense?)

where you invent something somebody supposedly said or thinks

Oh, so you were vociferous in your defense of Unions being fined for trying to protect lives, or people being arrested for highlighting the rorting going on in Government?

I’m sure you evidence of that which you will be happy to provide.

I’ll wait 😉

Boo hoo, you didn’t comment vociferously enough

Try at all.Instead, we get ” Must be a lefty vanity project.” in place of , “What, they arrested a guy who helped expose potential corruption?”

https://theguttertrash.com/2021/06/29/the-morrison-govts-covid-response-is-nothing-short-of-a-fucking-disgrace/#comment-187405

Sky News Australia has purged

FREE SPEECH! Oh, hang on, they are stifling their own speech? lol

Don’t ask me about it again.

Agh, I’ve been SILENCED! 🙂

lol

I would also just like to point out that while Scott Morrison speaks about there being “freedom of speech in this country” his government is working to gag charities from speaking out on issues it deems political, or face financial consequences.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2021/aug/04/australia-covid-live-update-nsw-south-west-sydney-apartment-block-lockdown-covid-outbreak-vaccination-target-incentives-politics-scott-morrison?page=with:block-610a14f88f089093df87383d#block-610a14f88f089093df87383d

Anything to add tosy? 😉

government is working to gag charities from speaking out on issues it deems political, or face financial consequences.

That sentence alone doesn’t pique you’re interest? Yet some backwater vlog gets shafted from youtube for a week, and it’s the end of free speech as we know it. lol

lol TB

FFS! I’m trying to find out what fucking happened.

“The producer of jordies show was arrested, by the Fixated Persons Unit, for ‘allegedly’ stalking bruz.

For the stalking, they listed two occasions, which apparently constitutes ‘stalking’ (bruz is a public politician ffs). One was to ask him about their allegations of corruption, the other, was when the producer tried to get bruz to fix his stupid defamation document, which listed bruzes home address as parliament house lol

And the fpu arrested the producer that very night.”

(Or you can follow any of the multiple links I have put up, OR, you could simply google it)

This is why we should be worried too tosy

“It was outrageous that he was even arrested under these circumstances. They could well have dealt with this as they deal with every other citizen, with an AVO warning or ask him to him to the police station,” he said.

“To invade him, to throw him on the floor, to put him in handcuffs, and then to barge into his house, his mother is traumatised … as is his girlfriend … and his poor dog. Anything can go wrong when you send in what is effectively a counter-terrorism unit to execute a very minor charge. Things can go seriously wrong.”

Similar happens to the Unions (with associated tipped off media presence). It’s pure intimidation. And it’s far worst than a tech platform slapping you on the wrist for continually breaking their terms of service.

Yet we only hear cries of concern when one thing happens, otherwise, it’s smart ass cracks about the victim, or full on support for the Gestapo against Unions

This person has been charged with two crimes

But even if he is found guilty (let’s face it, if the FPU can be called out within a matter of hours to arrest a youtube producer for attempting to get a court document fixed, I don’t hold out much hope for any further ‘justice’, isn’t the arrest itself way over the top?

And stalking … they had 2 interactions lol

And stalking … they had 2 interactions lol

None of us know the full story but it sounds like the stalking and harassment went on for months perhaps years. I had the misfortune to see one of friendlyjordies Youtube clips and he was begging to be sued.

Stalking is a crime in this country. I am going to go with Mark Lathams point of view until i know better

PS TB, if you were being stalked what would you do??

Meanwhile, they are all secret squirrel over their corruption.

nil

Learn to read.

What i am obsessing over is i want a haircut and all the barbers in Sydney are shut

Remember when Gillard was supposedly such an ’embarrassment’ because she was single and childless?

I’m still trying figure out if this is satire, much like splats last post 😉

If you didn’t think the pm trying to deny he shat his pants at maccas was a low point, welcome to today 😦

the alleged lying in actual parliament.

I even gave you the link ffs 😦

Mr MORRISON: That is what leaders do. They work with each other. It is the standard process for
Commonwealth governments to engage in High Court cases involving those types of matters, as the previous
government would’ve done and any other government has done. As the issue unfolded I discussed the matter with
Premier McGowan and I worked through the issues with Premier McGowan. We took the decision, which we
thought was in the best interest of the country and of Western Australia.
I know the Labor Party wants to only look at things going back; I understand that. I understand that. But what
they will not acknowledge is that where there are issues that have to be turned around and addressed and fixed,
that’s exactly what we’re doing. That’s exactly what we’re doing. So last night I was on the phone to a Labor
Premier in Queensland and a Liberal Premier in New South Wales, as I am regularly, working through the issues.
During the course of this last week, I’ve been working with the Western Australian Premier, working with the
minister for transport and working with the assistant minister for transport, to resolve important issues regarding
crews on ships entering Western Australia. We work every single day with the premiers and the chief ministers to
work through the national response to COVID, which is to save lives and to save livelihoods. That’s what the
government is doing. That’s what the state and territory governments are doing.
What the Labor Party is doing is politicising a health crisis for their own gain, and the Australian people can
see it. Every single day: undermining the national vaccine program, undermining partnership, constant negativity.
This is a leader of the Labor Party who couldn’t even be bothered to come to Canberra to meet with the head of—
The SPEAKER: No, the Prime Minister—
Mr Dreyfus: Withdraw!
The SPEAKER: The member for Isaacs is warned! I have said to the Prime Minister on a number of
occasions that it is not an opportunity for him to launch a political attack on the Leader of the Opposition when
he’s been asked a specific question by a private member about a specific issue. I’m making that very clear. The
Leader of the Opposition?
Mr Albanese: Yes, Mr Speaker, on a point of order. It goes to the standing orders and your previous rulings
about when a personal explanation has been given, outlining the facts. I outlined the facts regarding Lieutenant
General Frewen yesterday, including the details that are there in emails: the fact that my office did not hear from
them between 25 June and 20 July; the fact that a briefing was offered for this parliamentary sitting week; the fact
that I offered three dates—two on Tuesday, one on Thursday—in accordance with the request; and that the health
minister’s chief of staff responded, accepting, saying: ‘Let’s lock in 4 pm on Thursday. Invite to follow.’ The Prime
Minister has twice during this question time repeated something that he should know is untrue and that is untrue,
and I ask him to withdraw.
Mr Morrison interjecting—
The SPEAKER: I just say to the Prime Minister that it is not a question under that standing order of being
asked for a withdrawal. That’s not right. I’m very familiar with the standing order. I say to the Prime Minister that
saying he is not going to withdraw is very unhelpful for the debate. I’m saying that is very unhelpful, when I’m
seeking to rule. As it happens, on this occasion the point of order raised by the Leader of the Opposition would
not warrant a withdrawal because there’s a specific standing order. But I’m making the general point: if the chair
does ask for a withdrawal, then that has to happen.
Now, I’m going to rule on the standing order. This is a problematic standing order, as I’ve said before. This was
introduced in 2013 by the then Leader of the House. And what that standing order essentially says is that if a
claim has been made and a personal explanation has been taken, that claim cannot be repeated. That is what that
standing order says, and that is what former Prime Minister Abbott and former Leader of the House, Mr Pyne,
introduced, citing a whole lot of instances in opposition. I will say I was in a different seat, where the Prime
Minister at the time, then Leader of the Opposition, kept making personal explanations about health spending.
Frankly, when the standing order was introduced, I thought it was problematic. The then Speaker, Bronwyn
Bishop, thought it was problematic and said so. But that standing order is there. What it requires, of course, is for
the Speaker to have heard it and to have heard all the material. As it happens, I have heard that and so, under that
standing order, I don’t think that claim can be made again unless there’s new information. The Prime Minister.
Mr Morrison: I am happy to do this through another form of the House at the conclusion of question time
because I believe the Leader of the Opposition has misrepresented the claim that I have made. I have made no
suggestion about the arrangements for this week. I have simply made the point that Lieutenant General Frewen
has been in the role since the start of June and at no time over June or in early July did the Leader of the
Opposition seek to be informed by him, and that’s a fact.
The SPEAKER: I’m just going to say to the Prime Minister that one of the reasons we are discussing this is
because he has ignored my earlier rulings about attacking the Leader of the Opposition when he hasn’t asked the
question and the subject of the question is not about him. So I’ve now made that point for a fourth time. Let’s
move on with question time and see where we end up. The member for Bass.

That about right?

Well, except for the bit about ‘maintains’ he’s been misrepresented, when he detailed the day before how he had tried to meet, but yea, that’s the gist.

If you note this bit

“This is a leader of the Labor Party who couldn’t even be bothered to come to Canberra to meet with the head of”

Oh hang on, that was last week.

It was almost like he forgot they shared a border with infestation land 😉

So, blatant lying in parliament, with evidence to prove it is a lie, is now just a ‘he said. she said.’ lol

So, you agree with me then tosy, good.

The speaker thinks that standing order is “problematic”

Yes, this is what I mean by, the speaker defends them.

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Hansard/Hansard_Display?bid=chamber/hansardr/d2a0f40a-fc81-4b4c-bbd0-dbd1daa74358/&sid=0000

This reminds me of a ‘free speech’ thingy recently 🙂

No tosy, he accepts the standing order (whatever it is, something from 2013) is “problematic”, he has accepted Albo’s statement as fact, therefore, for these purposes, it is fact. If others want to disagree, they need to make a statement.

But the pm didn’t make a statement, he simply regurgitated his smear, which is now a proven lie.

The speaker accepts that under the standing order as it is written, and with which he has serious concerns, the particular claim cannot be made again after an MP has delivered a personal (no evidence required) explanation

Even if you accept that, he repeated it. He made the claim earlier in week, Albo put up his explanation, then he repeated it yesterday. Albo’s statement is easily verified. and it disproves morrisons claim. Which he then repeated

I think it’s great that companies like SPC are pushing vaccination.
So I’ve just been to the local store and bought 4 cans of spaghetti, and I don’t even eat canned spaghetti! Maybe the dog will like it

Apparently they were the victim of ‘mass-flagging’ attacks, where rabid leftist groups coordinate multiple complaints, or flagging, against selected videos or content. Sky News was cancelled, in other words.

I guess that is what happened to me when the lefties got me banned from Twitter and The Guardian

The distances and infrastructure requirements will take a long time.

Never with this mob of dinosaurs running the show. Meanwhile, the rest of the world moves ahead.

I see tosy is happy with the pm knowingly lying about events that have passed, in parliament no less, but wants to concentrate on visions that didn’t eventuate (mainly because gladys and slomo fucked up so completely)

I guess that’s his ‘free speech’ ?

Here’s a friendly dude using his free speech to highlight how corrupt politicians are. the 4 minute mark is revealing.

Truthiness splats, you and yer mates have got it worked out 😉

It’ss a wonderful world where fascist rallies arecalled ‘Christian Prayer Meetings”

cos hitler was a socialist don’t ya know?

Anyone have any knitting patterns?

OK, if we’re gonna go with the great lyricists battle, I’m in 🙂

“Once our empires glorious but now the empire’s gone
The dead gave us the time to live and now our time is done

Now we are victorious, we’ve become our slaves
A land of hope and glory building graveyards for the brave”

yep that one wins TB 🙂

This may give a hint for the Jerusalem one though splats

https://www.vintageheavymetal.com/article/poetry-inspired-bruce-dickinson/

Louise Milligan agrees to pay Andrew Laming $79,000 in damages over tweets

I await with eager anticipation the free speech warriors charging in on their own chariots of mire to defend speech in all it’s freedoms …..

Yea, I actually googled it after I commented splats. I just wanted to be a pedantic smart ass, and failed 🙂

TPG now offer wireless broadband as an alternative to the NBN. I think it works off the 4G network and gives speeds of 20Mbps and costs about the same as the NBN.The difference is you get unlimited downloads

https://www.tpg.com.au/home-wireless-broadband

Want to save on your monthly internet bill? Get simple, affordable internet access with TPG Home Wireless Broadband.
TPG Home Wireless Broadband is a no-fuss alternative to NBN, designed to connect your home in just a few quick steps – no technician appointment needed.

It’s not the job of a glib but unintelligent politician , ie Dan, to blame a business for the failure of a state government responsibility
But typically that’s what Dan did.
Give him a job selling furniture at Harvey Norman, that’s his level of capability

Actually Kneel, we do … and unfortunately “charity begins at home” …

Our death rates are much lower than many countries and people are saying why should we get preference over countries more needy.

TB

What is the difference between your link and Tony’s link?? Aren’t they saying the same thing??

Andrews bans people from removing masks to drink outdoors

“””””””””””Premier Daniel Andrews is “angry” after what occurred over the weekend and has announced people will not be permitted to remove their masks to drink alcohol outdoors.

“There will be no removal of masks to consume alcohol outdoors, you will no longer be able to remove your mask to drink a cocktail at a pop-up beer garden on a footpath as part of a pub crawl,” he said.”””””””””””””””””

Dan’s system has proved inadequate again

I don’t know what case you are talking about. I heard a report on the news that Victoria picked up a couple of people who tested positive who had flown in from Sydney last week. ie, NSW failed to pick them up, luckily, the Vics did?

BTW the above clip is not a joke

I take it you are

“as part of a pub crawl,” he said.”

Buy your drink, and piss off! It’s not hard to understand, unless you’re stupid. What is it nil?

Buy your drink, and piss off! It’s not hard to understand, unless you’re stupid. What is it nil?

Perhaps i misunderstood. The title of the Skynews clip could be clickbait. But Andrews did say he was talking about things that happened at a number of licensed venues. It does sound a stupid thing to say.

If this lockdown goes on much longer there will be more deaths from suicide than from the virus. In fact there already may be.

I know you’ll hate this tosy, because it makes sense, and is backed up by … ugh … science n all

TomR

Here is ServiceNSW webpage for Covid. Thanks for the link but i eventually found a link.

Bottom line is you don’t have to wear a facemask outside in Sydney

https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/covid-19

jeebus tosy, read the replies first (doesn’t change the fact that we, deliberately, left hundreds of interpreters there to be slaughtered. Message for the future. DO NOT WORK WITH AUSTRALIA!

Wow some women. Maybe 10% women and 90% men. Shouldn’t it be 50:50??

Second photo: Not many women!

If it’s so bad, why the need to misrepresent. (it’s actually understandable, as the tweet below highlights)

It is possible we may emerge from this lockdown with a weakened immune system. We are not coming into contact with people as much now and not getting the mild infections which our body can deal with and build resistance

So we may in future get a mild virus infection which our body cannot deal with because our immune systems are weakened because of social distancing

I see Qantas will require all staff to be vaccinated. A sensible decision
As they almost always are by Qantas

re the above

“While my reason for not getting this jab is medical, I want to make sure that I’m not carving out a space that is only big enough for me. I need to state, unequivocally, that I support informed consent – which necessitates choice unburdened by coercion. I do not find it ethical or wise to allow those with the most power (government, corporations, organizations, employers) to dictate medical procedures to those with the least power.”

https://www.musicradar.com/news/the-offspring-drop-drummer-pete-parada-over-covid-vaccine-refusal

I expect there’ll be a small number of them and they’ll be exempt.

That is good then. Reports about details are thin on the ground. In my view, those not vaccinated are going to more of a danger to themselves in the future, so targeting them seems somehow unfair (unless they are just anti-vaccers)

I see things are moving briskly in nSW 😦

But at the moment i don’t want to take any of them.

Understandable.

The same sort of people who have advised that AGW is an issue are the same sort who are telling us the vaccines are safe. Smart people.

Dumb people will listen to shock jocks

Dear Neil
Please don’t prove to be a f**kwit. Get vaccinated, it has nothing to do with politics. It has plenty to do with intelligence
Cheers
Tom

And if the govt told you to jump off a cliff would you?

I find it hilarious that most of the ‘hesitancy’ has come from the government themselves. I also think this is by design.

They have pent the better part of the past two decades traducing trust in science and expert knowledge. They themselves have put out many contradictory statements around AZ to begin with. And now, they use this barely existent ‘hesitancy” to try and explain away their monumental failure in vaccine delivery.

I wonder how many who jumped on board the anti AGW bandwagon are now frustrated at this ‘hesitancy’ in the community, and if they hold themselves at all even partly responsible for its appearance?

because European countries and drug companies have favoured those nations who’ve had high rates of Covid for the delivery of vaccines like Pfizer

That’s an outright lie. They filled the orders as received. We just didn’t order any. Passing blame is all they do. All we needed to do was order, and they would have come.

How come you have so much inside information about when the govt placed the vaccine orders?

It’s in the public domain. Do you recall recently Kevin Rudd called them, which brought morrison out from under his rock? Without that, we wouldn’t be getting what we are now. So yea, thank Rudd for that, not this mob.

https://www.michaelwest.com.au/governments-appalling-error-rejects-offer-of-40-million-pfizer-doses-in-july-2020/

It is computer modelling.

Do you have any idea WHAT science is? No.

this could have happened 12 months or more ago!

I doubt it’s even happening now.

jebus nil, NOTHING was approved when orders were being placed. Wake the fuck up.

Everything at the time was ‘ifs’ and ‘buts’ (butts? wtf?). This is why everyone, from the opposition leader to experts in their fields (trigger warning) were pleading with the government to cast their net wide. Instead, they backed almost solely the one company with close ties to the liberal party.

They were proven wrong. They were proven have put us at risk through their choices.

And now they are trying to blame us for their failure.

TomR

Your link says this

The medical advice – the USFDA’s approval of Pfizer – didn’t occur until the end of 2020.

So they could not have got it 12 months ago, And if your link can be trusted it says the govt decided to go with the AstraZeneca vaccine.

AstraZeneca wasn’t approved until Feb 2021. Do you have a point nil?

Well TB said this about 215 jabs now being administered every minute

Only Scotty could think that was “extraordinary” … reacive instead of proactive this could have happened 12 months or more ago!

So it could not have been started 12 months ago as he stated

And none of us have access to the medical advice. It appears that the AstraZeneca vaccine is like a traditional vaccine which uses a dead virus to generate antibodies. So it is most probably a safer option than the other one which uses DNA technology.

Tell it to the dead people dickhead

Have you heard of Thalidomide??? There could be problems rushing medical products.

If i am forced to get the vaccine i will go with the one which uses the more standard way of creating a vaccine. The one which uses the dead virus rather than the new fangled DNA technology.

…..ok.

#uaspols predictable if noting else, just look at nil

He’s the end product of the right wings anti science campaign over the past two decades, and it’s not a pretty sight

1. Whenever I go to out for groceries, I buy something made by SPC. I see many others have the same attitude, because various items are sold out. Taking on anti vaxers seems to be good for business
2. Health care workers who are vaccine hesitant have self selected out of the health care industry. They are employed by health authorities that are recommending vaccination. They’ll have to find alternative employment

For the next couple of months we have to manage covid outbreaks according to ICU and ventilator load.
Require people that attend work as delivery drivers etc to be tested every few days
Enforce masks etc
The current lockdown strategy isn’t working

I think Maggie Thatcher is right. Govt is taking over more and more. Children used to look after their elderly parents. Now the State does it

The Aqueduct?

What number lockdown is this in Vic again?

Why did they stop the other ones?

The French, like the modern left, thought that they could remake the world anew.

Trying to simplify and make broad statements like that is stupid splats. I can do it too

Hitler modelled his Reich after what Imperial Civilization again?

Be better than that.

There are dozens of government agencies that routinely model policy cost and efficiency vs illness, injury and fatality.

Yes, and when the death count gets too high …. This is the issue yomm, Then, factor in Long Covid etc.

Lockdown the vulnerable, use the ventilators
If Andrews had announced a 2 month lockdown instead of a short sharp one week lockdown, there would have been riots
This is the last time I will observe a hard lockdown

This is the last time I will observe a hard lockdown

harden up tosser.

You don’t even lose money from this, it’s just your lifestyle impacted.

and their modern equivalents

Interested in who their ‘modern equivalents’ are?

Gough Whitlam? Sweden? Iceland, New Zealand??

I was thinking more of the legacy bequeathed by ancient Greece and Rome

I have heard Americans say they got their govt from Greece or Rome. Some say Greece and some say Rome.

I think the Americans say that because they are too embarrassed to say they got their govt from the British. US govt was modelled on British parliament not ancient Greece and Rome.

The colonial govts were just English parliament transferred to North America. Federal govt uses British Parliamentary procedure to pass legislation

Representative government is an English invention. It did not exist in the ancient world.

Parliamentary procedure is used to pass legislation in Congress AFAIK. They use Jeffersons Manual written by Jefferson which was the first book to write down Parliamentary Procedure which evolved during the long centuries of Parliamentary development in England.

And i think the govt of the colonies was just English parliament transferred to North America

I have heard Americans say they got their govt from Greece and/or Rome. I find it hard to believe. I suspect it is more “sexy” to say you got your govt from Rome than the hated British.

One thing they did not get was from Rome was Parliamentary Procedure. They got that from Britain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_procedure#History

In the 16th and 17th century, there were rules of order in the early parliaments of England.[3] In the 1560s Sir Thomas Smyth began the process of writing down accepted procedures and published a book about them for the House of Commons in 1583.[3] Early rules included

American procedures
The rules of the United States Congress were developed from the parliamentary procedures used in Britain.[6

The main unique thing the US Founders did was form a Federation instead of a Unitary govt. The Brits thought it was such a good idea they did the same thing here.

Britain at the time was a Unitary State and even to this day England does not have a Parliament.

I think the Americans are too proud to admit they got anything from England. When i spent some time there i showed them the 1689 English Bill of Rights. They had no idea England had a BOR and their 10 Amendments was modelled on the EBOR

Serious question: What’s the difference between a United States and a Commonwealth of States

My understanding is that the 13 Colonies that rebelled against Britain were regarded as 13 independent countries after they won their independence. They then formed a Confederation under the Articles of Confederation which is a loose association of States but that did not work. So they then formed a Federation which is a sovereign union of sovereign States.

The Americans are really lucky their rebellion worked. They would have a different opinion if they started killing each other.

You truly are a stupid autistic cunt.

Call him stupid, call him a cunt, but don’t link autism with that. Autism is a wide spectrum, of a wide variety of abilities, or not.

Don’t perpetuate the stereotype.

TB ridicules James for making personal observations about the condition of the GBR

That’s because james was a stupid cunt. He was just a few years ahead of the stupidity displayed by poorleen hanson

Call him stupid, call him a cunt, but don’t link autism with that

I may be stupid but it makes no sense to me to say the USA got its govt from Greece and Rome.

One thing we got from the Americans was the concept of a Federal govt. And they made it so that each State in the Union has the same number of seats in the Senate no matter the population of those States. The Brits must of thought of it as a good idea because that is what they did with us. I think they thought that up themselves and did not get that idea from the ancient world.

However I think the Americans are ashamed to admit what they got from Britain. Much sexier to say you got your culture from Greece and/or Rome

I am done arguing with the fucker

I just want to know what the USA got from Rome and/or Greece. I have heard that statement many times but have not seen much evidence for it.

The immediate similarity i can see is that both were slave owning societies.

Rome has a Senate so i guess the USA got that from Rome. But Britain has the House of Lords. It is a House of Review also. So some similarities.

Britain had a separation of powers in 1776 with the KIng being the executive and Parliament being the Legislative branch. In 1776 the British King executed the Laws but he had to get them through Parliament.

Maybe the USA got the English language from Rome. Who knows??

TB suggests most Americans are ignorant because they don’t know where England is.

I think the average American is quite ignorant. It is not their fault. They don’t have as much interaction with the outside world that we do. We are brought up on American television. Play cricket every summer with a different nation. Travel overseas more often. When an American goes on holiday he may take a campervan to California

Most Americans don’t even know we took part in WW2.

It’s actually ignorant to assign Americans a singular culture or attitude or knowledge base.
Those that do that are demonstrating their own ignorance.
So I can only say that it is worh noting that TB and Neil are in ignorant agreement on that point.

Neil, after all this time I’m surprised that you haven’t realised that personal observation here counts for zilch, unless they are TB’s personal observations.
The USA has about 15 times the population of Australia. That scale means something.
It means that the US version of a redneck backwater like Mackay in Qld would have the population of a city about the size of Adelaide.
But the attitudes would be similar.
I’m reasonably familiar with the US, and my (far more valid and informed) view is that the people in US cities are just as sophisticated and informed as people in the civilised parts of Australia. And certainly far more sophisticated, well read and worldly than people in places like Brisbane

Well, you and TB are in agreement and I have a contrary view to you both.
I take great confidence from that.

Neil, I think you might have said most of that previously.
I think the people that live in places like New York, Boston, Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, Sacramento, Chicago, New Orleans, Philadelphias and many others, are far more worldly than people in Brisbane, Mackay, Townsville.
As for their knowledge of whether we were in WW2, do you know whether or not Tonga was in the Vietnam War. It’s about the same scale.

1. Real world experience is not acceptable, unless it is TB’s “real world”
2. If TB and Neil agree, it’s clearly wrong