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Morgan Poll: Scott Morrison heading for election MASSACRE!

November 26, 2021
Not a happy camper.

THE MORRISON GOVERNMENT is heading for a devastating election defeat with a new Morgan poll showing Labor has a ten point lead over the Government on the election-deciding two-party preferred basis.

The news comes on the heels of a cavalcade of corruption allegations plaguing senior members of the LNP and a mounting reputation as a compulsive liar Morrison can’t seem to shirk.

This is the largest two-party preferred lead held by the ALP since the 2019 Federal Election and exceeds the the ALP’s lead during the height of the ‘2020 Bushfires Crisis’ (ALP 55%, LNP 45%).

Voting analysis by State shows the ALP leading on a two party preferred basis in all six States – even Queensland.

In a concerning sign for the Government the ALP’s biggest leads are in Victoria and NSW.

The ALP’s improvement in Victoria comes after large protests against the Andrews Government on a range of issues including new legislation on ‘extraordinary’ powers for the Premier to declare a pandemic, the Andrews’ Government enforcement of vaccine mandates and tough restrictions on Victorians who are choosing to remain unvaccinated against COVID-19.

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  1. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2021 10:39 am

    MASSACRE

    Should we bringing out the gallows pole?

    I find it difficult to believe how much morrison is falling apart. Ever since macron called him out for lying, he’s just unwound himself. After decades of ignoring everything that point to this behaviour, the media finally take notice when a French dude confirms it. Bizarre

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 26, 2021 10:52 am

    It can only be due to Murdoch manipulating public opinion!
    It’s yet more evidence of the power of the media

  3. Lisa Nicholson permalink
    November 26, 2021 11:03 am

    Murdoch always hedges his bets the closer we get to an election but the mere thought that this lying duplicitous pos could possibly be elected is enough to have me running to Jacinda inNZ what does he have to do to remove the crusted on LNP voters? He’s a proven liar and a malignant narcissist ala Trump who gets advice from eagles and Jen ??? I’m stumped

  4. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 26, 2021 12:07 pm

    Truly we are blessed for choice. Scummo or Each Way Albo! Our future is assured! Or, maybe that’s why Kneely was parachuted into a safe lower house seat?

  5. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2021 12:21 pm

    Each Way Albo

    Please Explain?

  6. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 26, 2021 1:37 pm

    Albo, in my opinion, vacillates, equivocates and is an all-round despicable human being to boot. He is certainly not PM material and that is a shame because he probably will be PM. Unfortunately, for all practical purposes, the cunt has to lose an election to be terminated under the current ALP rules.

  7. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2021 1:56 pm

    splats, in my opinion, vacillates, equivocates and is an all-round despicable human being to boot. He is certainly not troll material and that is a shame because he probably will be troll.

    🙂

  8. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 26, 2021 2:30 pm

    I’m definitely not troll material Tom R. I’ve seen you in action and I know I don’t have the stomach for the lies and deceptions that are part of that dark art.

    And Albo is a brothel-creeping cunt. He showed his contempt for ordinary citizens with his comments on those citizens who took part in the Convoy of No Confidence.

  9. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2021 3:16 pm

    I’m definitely not troll material …………….. And Albo is a brothel-creeping cunt

    The best satire writes itself 😉

  10. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 26, 2021 3:22 pm

    Oh, I forgot – he was only there for a business meeting! Guffaw.

  11. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2021 3:39 pm

    Guffaw

    Obviously it was quite the event, because the only time I hear about it is when your obvious indulgence of excesses force out another raft of expletives to anyone left of bolt

  12. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2021 3:47 pm

    Someone else has been having an indulgence of excesses

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 26, 2021 4:44 pm

    How does Murdoch do it? Is he manipulating public sentiment towards the ALP now, so that their defeat next year is so much more bitter?
    Or is there some force even more powerful than Murdoch here? Like… public opinion!

  14. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2021 5:02 pm

    It’s nor from lack of trying yomm, but even murdoch has caught on that morrisons lying and ineptitude is deep seated.

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 26, 2021 5:19 pm

    Yes, I always notice that when the public elected Rudd and even Gillard, everyone agreed that the public had shown itself to be discerning and intelligent.
    But when they voted for Abbott they’d swung to be complete dills. They’ve remained dills since then, but are now apparently showing signs of increasing intelligence

  16. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2021 7:05 pm

    There’s only so much lipstick can cover yomm.

    Just look at the lips on splats avatar 😉

  17. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 27, 2021 6:08 pm

    So what would Labor do that is any different from the Liberals??

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2021 12:53 pm

    A new world record heading for Melbourne! Omicron, another reason for a lockdown!
    There are only 24 letters in the Greek alphabet, it probably won’t be enough

  19. Dianne permalink
    November 28, 2021 6:17 pm

    Yep! Plenty of potential still in the pipeline.

    … the irony of having millions of the desperate poor crying out for vaccines as they run out of ground to bury all their dead while thousands of Australians march through Sydney and Melbourne angrily protesting that their governments want to mandate vaccination in certain circumstances.

    https://johnmenadue.com/omicron-is-fuelled-by-our-failure-to-mount-a-coordinated-global-response/

    Freedumb! Here, there and everywhere.

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2021 7:21 pm

    Are there epidemiologists now advising the government that the unvaxed should remain in hard lockdown?

  21. Dianne permalink
    November 28, 2021 9:18 pm

    Possibly. Medical professionals provide ‘opinions’ rather than ‘truths’ (even though their ‘advice’ should be respected because it falls under the scientific umbrella which is far superior to other sources.)

    Nevertheless, in a ‘democracy’, it’s Ministers who must make the final decision AND bear responsibility for same.

    In brief – Experts on tap but not on top.

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2021 9:36 pm

    Without direct and specific advice from epidemiologists, and with 90%+ of the population vaccinated (in Victoria and NSW), what possible reasons is there for the lockdown of the unvaxed?
    It is looking like punishment, so I can understand that some might be bothered by that

  23. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2021 10:01 pm

    It is looking like punishment, so I can understand that some might be bothered by that

    I feel dirty, because I kinda agree with that. I’m all for getting as many people vaccinated as possible, but taking away their livelihoods, even their right to have a coffee, is a stretch imo

    People should be convinced by science and common sense, But, with so much misinformation, much of it distributed by the government in the first place, it makes it difficult. So forcing is becoming the only option. This new variant is going to make everything that much more difficult.

    I would not like to be the ones making decisions in this environment. No wonder slomo has outsourced it all to the states

  24. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2021 6:54 am

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2021 9:22 am

    It’s a pity that the anti vaxers/conspiracy theorists and those with reasonable misgivings about the Victorian pandemic legislation have merged, in the media reporting.
    (Semi) permanent lockdown of the unvaxed doesn’t look like a health policy any longer.
    It’s a reason that people should insist on independent oversight of Dan’s rule by personal decree

  26. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2021 10:59 am

    It’s a reason that people should insist on independent oversight of Dan’s rule by personal decree

    It does have that? Are you making shit up again.

    You know what doesn’t have any oversight at all, don’t you? (HINT, November 29, 2021 6:54 am)

  27. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2021 11:13 am

    1. Dan has introduced legislation after the experience of the pandemic and the longest lockdown in the world
    2. Half that lockdown was due negligent oversight and administration of a state government program. The state government is facing 58 charges over that
    3. The oversight proposed by the state government is an advisory committee, without power, the is chosen by the state government
    4. The proposed endless lockdown of people who have chosen to remain unvaccinated looks like punishment rather than a public health initiative
    5. Easily accessible rights if appeal seem reasonable
    6. The proposed legislation does not include this

  28. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2021 11:22 am

    and the longest lockdown in the world

    LINK!

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2021 11:28 am

    lol
    Try google

  30. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2021 12:14 pm

    yea yomm, google told me lots of things.

    I don’t believe them all

    Like fact checking the length of lockdowns, which you ended up clarifying as something like “in first world, western,southern hemisphere countries” or some such garbage

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2021 12:24 pm

    Which city has experienced a longer lockdown?

  32. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2021 1:13 pm

    yomm, nils hacked yer account again

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2021 2:37 pm

    I see, so which city has experienced a longer lockdown?

  34. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2021 2:59 pm

    [facepalm]

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57079577

  35. November 29, 2021 3:22 pm

    “Dan has introduced legislation after the experience of the pandemic and the longest lockdown in the world”

    Oh dear, YoM proven WRONG again, by those pesky things called “facts”.

    I guess he’ll go into hiding now…

    😆

  36. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2021 4:02 pm

    I guess he’ll go into hiding now…

    And reappear in a week with those same tired old dot points he gets from #angryolddingbats HQ 🙂

  37. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2021 4:14 pm

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTppkrOTmeaFEpi8-V6qg9OzyZV27nFGKPeoQ&usqp=CAU

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2021 4:15 pm

    Which city has experienced a longer lockdown?
    I suppose that’s another question that will cause the “I stand with Dan” cheer club to go into hiding

  39. November 29, 2021 4:25 pm

    Haven’t you got a protest to go to?

  40. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 29, 2021 5:36 pm

    “Oh dear, YoM proven WRONG again”

    You are not giving enough credit to the noble Stairman. Indeed, he is a world leader in anti-Covid measures. He has determined that Victorians are a hardy people and can tolerate longer lockdowns and harsher measures than all other Australians and most of the rest of the world. And, to ram his point home about the valiant Victorian citizenry, he is not averse to applying some completely irrational measures just to show they can take it. And just because he can.

    Dan knows what Victorians want and is giving it to them good and hard. Just like he got it good and hard in the beatdown he copped at the Fox residence.

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2021 5:57 pm

    Yes, it’s a pity the “I stand with Dan” cheer club can’t distinguish between a public health initiative and punishment.
    Nor can they identify a city that has experienced a longer lockdown than Melbourne.
    They’re similar in their zealotry to the Collingwood cheer club, but with fewer teeth but more polyester

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2021 7:04 pm

    I see the “I stand with Dan” cheer club has gone into hiding, again

  43. ivi permalink
    November 30, 2021 3:20 am

    (Indeed; looks like. . . .)

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2021 8:52 am

    What a massive climb down by Dan.
    The changes to the legislation… include a new joint parliamentary committee to review public health orders and an independent panel to review appeals to detention under public health orders.
    It wouldn’t occur to Dan to include that kind of thing to start with
    A glib dud

  45. November 30, 2021 8:53 am

    “He has determined that Victorians are a hardy people and can tolerate longer lockdowns and harsher measures than all other Australians and most of the rest of the world.”

    Nineteen protesters test positive to COVID after Melbourne ‘freedom’ rallies

    🙄

  46. November 30, 2021 8:58 am

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  47. November 30, 2021 9:27 am

    Paul Bongiorno: The signs are the Morrison government is decaying before our eyes.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/11/30/paul-bongiorno-morrison-government-decaying/

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2021 9:54 am

    Paul Bongiorno, the former trainee priest and now prominent and insightful journalist… who shared a room with Australia’s most notorious pedophile. But claims he didn’t notice
    Such insight and judgement about human nature!

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2021 12:57 pm

    The ALP cheer club must be late in circulating their talking points

  50. November 30, 2021 1:17 pm

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  51. November 30, 2021 4:17 pm

    GOLD…!!!

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  52. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 30, 2021 4:44 pm

    It is funny.

  53. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2021 10:44 am

    A timely reminder why you don’t call it the South African virus. They have copped a barrage, simply for identifying it first.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2021/12/01/covid-omicron-netherlands/

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 1, 2021 11:10 am

    “sit down boof head”
    I wonder whether Keating is jealous of that line.
    I suspect not

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2021 12:41 pm

    Thank goodness all those new dams were built after the last flood/drought!

    Dutton is the biggest boofhead but not the only one!

    Why are pollies so fkn blind to reality?

    Subsidise charging stations for EV vehicles – with few on the road (’cause they’re expensive) … or subsidise EV vehicle prices – OR MANUFACTURE IN OZ! – so that service stations owners will install charging stations … dumb and fkn dumber …

  56. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 1, 2021 12:55 pm

    A timely reminder why you don’t call it the Xi virus.

    China: the overly sensitive superpower

  57. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 1, 2021 1:00 pm

    “Thank goodness all those new dams were built after the last flood/drought!”

    The problem is that every time something is proposed like this is proposed by the Libs the Greens and ALP go ballistic to oppose it:

    Labor, Greens oppose bill to raise Warragamba Dam wall

    Has Pallachook built any major dams lately?

  58. Dianne permalink
    December 1, 2021 1:38 pm

    All Societies/Cultures (to some extent at least) construct their own realities. And within those fabricated boundaries, each individual does the same, albeit to a greater or lesser extent.

    It’s why ‘common sense’ on examination isn’t so ‘common’, nor ‘sensible’ either. It’s called Sociology 101.

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 1, 2021 2:21 pm

    Why did Dan propose legislation that didn’t provide parliamentary oversight of his orders?
    And didn’t allow reasonable access to appeal regarding the application of the orders to individuals?
    Why did his supporters ridicule those that wanted these safeguards?
    Why didn’t Dan start with some basic safeguards?
    Why did Dan have to be dragged to this position?

  60. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2021 2:28 pm

    A timely reminder why you don’t call it the Xi virus.

    They didn’t call it the nu virus either. I suppose so they don’y upset nu age pansies 😉

    (Actually, they explained why they skipped those two, but some people don’t want to listen to common sense)

    DAM IT!

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-23/questions-over-nsw-government-handling-of-warragamba-dam-project/13230684

  61. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 1, 2021 2:32 pm

    Tom R: “some people don’t want to listen to common sense”

    Dianne: “It’s why ‘common sense’ on examination isn’t so ‘common’, nor ‘sensible’ either. It’s called Sociology 101.”

  62. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 1, 2021 2:34 pm

    Hardly surprising that the ABC would act as mouthpiece for the Greens, is it?

  63. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2021 3:24 pm

    Hardly surprising that the ABC would act as mouthpiece for the Greens, is it?

    Yea,with all of those after dark rejects running it, what more would expect. 😯

  64. December 1, 2021 4:31 pm

    So both the mealy mouthed Greg Hunt and Christian “Winning” Porter have thrown in the towel.

    The rats are leaving the Scotty Shit show before they’re turfed next year…

    How hilarious….!!

    😆

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2021 5:02 pm

    The problem is that every time something is proposed like this is proposed by the Libs the Greens and ALP go ballistic to oppose it:

    Odd here ’tis ‘tother way ’round … but the only positive thing the ALP did was to connect pipelines and pump stations to all SE Qld … needs to go further.

    My original comment was, you may not have noticed, was non political … and referred to all pollies.

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2021 5:08 pm

    … both the mealy mouthed Greg Hunt and Christian “Winning” Porter

    They’ll just ride off into the rain and some boardroom where they can stuff up a few companies …

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2021 7:05 pm

    All the roads are being closed!!! Where are the protestors?

  68. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2021 9:58 pm

  69. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2021 10:11 pm

    And she went as fast as she could 🙂

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2021 8:33 am

    The Greens add so much to parliamentary standards…Greens Senator Lidia Thorpe has been accused of telling a female Liberal Senator “at least I keep my legs shut”

  71. December 2, 2021 9:05 am

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  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2021 9:50 am

    And those tennis people need to learn to brown nose to the CCP…
    WTA Tour chairman Steve Simon said Wednesday the women’s tennis circuit is suspending all tournaments in China over concerns about the safety of Chinese player Peng Shuai

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2021 11:52 am

    Here’s a plan … when the plan to phase out coal finally arrives, just use the open cut pits as the basis for storage dams …

    Shimples! …

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2021 11:56 am

    The Australian Democrats are an ethical and progessive political party. They need 1500 members to maintain their party status. It’s free to join!
    https://content.democrats.org.au/australian-democrats-member-form/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=MembershipDrive&utm_content=Democracy+Under+Threat&fbclid=IwAR1SwwyqnHEKPP1JWGfeMV2x3BNLLaypYmXI5_RNQrMQsU5PmBuODHVl9qg

  75. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 2, 2021 12:29 pm

    “My original comment was, you may not have noticed, was non political … and referred to all pollies.”

    I get that now.

  76. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 2, 2021 12:39 pm

    Everyone needs a good exorcism every now and then. Jerry Chen makes a compelling point:

  77. December 2, 2021 1:09 pm

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  78. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 2, 2021 1:32 pm

    Which one are you, reb?

  79. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2021 2:16 pm

    How can he be any of them when they are all me splats?

    I see tudge has given himself the nudge, fudge 😦

  80. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 2, 2021 2:19 pm

    “they are all me”

    All y’all look alike, comrade.

  81. December 2, 2021 3:40 pm

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  82. Dianne permalink
    December 2, 2021 4:04 pm

    Yet Tudge lectured teachers on ‘standards’.

    Is there no end to this hypocrisy?

    Or did he claim a type of religious defence – the Devil, she made me do it.

  83. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2021 4:24 pm

    the Devil, she made me do it.

    It’s always her fault 😉

  84. Dianne permalink
    December 2, 2021 5:42 pm

    With Brother Stewie now in the Education portfolio, perhaps we will see more claimed miracles?.

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2021 7:02 pm

    All y’all look alike, comrade.

    Y’all got it bad, man, emigrate … or was that a look, looky comment after, Tudge’s, seppuku

    And according to Dutton … Albanese — is.a.socialist! Well Fuck Me, Potato … so was Jesus Christ!

    Note: Socialism IS NOT Communism … unless you have a twisted concept of the rich get richer … and …

  86. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2021 9:45 pm

    Note: Socialism IS NOT Communism

    shh, don’t tell the locals 😉

    “Socialism without Capitalism is Communism
    Capitalism without Socialism is Fascism”

    Discuss…..

  87. December 3, 2021 8:55 am

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  88. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 3, 2021 9:17 am

    “so was Jesus Christ!”

    You should try worshiping Him as your lord and saviour – then you might have a clue. As it is you are speaking from your usual high perch of ignorance and prejudice. We do not know what Jesus thought about the ownership of the means of production. He was a “render unto Caesar ” type of guy, more interested in spiritual matters.

    “Note: Socialism IS NOT Communism”

    As you well know (mainly because I’ve schooled you on this issue in the past), communism is a form of socialism, probably the most widespread variant of this disease.

    “Socialism without Capitalism is Communism
    Capitalism without Socialism is Fascism”

    Socialism is, broadly, the social ownership of the means of production. Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production. National socialism is the state control of the means of production by leaving them in private hands provided that the owners behave as instruments of the state.

    In effect, China is moving from socialism to national socialism and is now a mix of the two.

    All capitalist states provide some welfare to their citizens. In these countries, the debate is less about ownership of the means of production than about the extent of the welfare. Until recently, the conservative side favoured less welfare and less public expenditure. Now it is just a race to the bottom, so to speak. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

  89. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2021 11:23 am

    Not that there is anything wrong with that.

    Unless of course you don’t have the means of production, or, as is the case here, it has been lifted away from you 😦

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2021 11:38 am

    Chuckle … iggorance is always a blissful state of mind …

    Quote #1:
    Jesus: I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God (Matthew 19:23).

    Quote #2:
    And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves (Matthew 21:12).

    Quote #3:
    No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despite the other. You cannot serve both God and wealth (Matthew 6:24).

    Quote #4:
    Jesus: To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them (Luke 6:27).

    Quote #5:
    And they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more (Isaiah 2:4).

    Quote #6:
    Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth (Matthew 5:5).

  91. December 3, 2021 12:15 pm

    YoM Logic

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  92. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 3, 2021 12:59 pm

    Lefty logic:

    Masks are for little people unless you are very wealthy and your name is Joe

    Or Nancy

    Or Anthony Fauci

    or B. Hussein Obama

  93. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 3, 2021 1:14 pm

    TB, those are excellent quotes. None of them are about social organisation or ownership of the means of production. There is an old testament prophecy of peace in the end times and comments from Jesus about greed, generosity, and humility. You have much to learn from these, especially the last.

  94. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 3, 2021 1:57 pm

    I was trying to work out why Stairman Dan wants Novak out of the Australian Open. Novak has already had Covid and thus has a degree of natural immunity. A deal could have been done but Dan needs to flex his nuts.

    The real reason is that Novak has spoken out in defence of Peng Shuai who has been disappeared by Dan’s CCP besties for daring to complain about being raped by a government official. The Stairman, being a man of principle, cannot stand by and watch a fellow apparatchik suffer for the same offence as Dan. So bye bye Novak.

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2021 5:52 pm

    Hilarious!
    Did I mention how the best way to deal with anti vaxers is ridicule, rather than legal ostracism.
    There are some particularly disingenuous dills on the left

  96. Dianne permalink
    December 3, 2021 8:02 pm

    No doubt there are some dills who might be identified across the political spectrum. But that applies to “anti vaxxers” also.

    While ridicule can work with those having poor self concepts, not all anti vaxxers fall into that category. Indeed, the problem with many anti vaxxers is their massive over confidence in their own understandings and insights.

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2021 9:44 pm

    Speaking of treatment of women in politics, didn’t Dan do a great job in looki after Jane Garrett.
    She tried to stand up to the UFU, and Dan threw her under the bus too

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2021 12:43 am

    Defence Minister Peter Dutton has hit back at criticisms of Alan Tudge, insisting his ministerial colleague is an “honourable and decent man”.

    Not sure Potato can pass judgement on “honourable or decent” – boofheads all

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … social organisation or ownership of the means of production…

    Social organisation … mmm who crucified him? (Clue it was a well organised Empire)

    To what “production” do you refer … sheep, cattle or goats?

    There is an old testament prophecy of peace in the end times and comments from Jesus about greed, generosity, and humility.

    Strange, I don’t ever recall JC turning up in the old testament in my bible studies …

    You have much to learn from these, especially the last.

    Do you ever read your comments?

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2021 12:44 am

    There are some particularly disingenuous dills on the left

    And so many in your neck of the woods!

  100. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2021 1:32 pm

    Another protest in Melbourne
    The lockdown of the unvaxed is continuing to look like punishment rather than a public health initiative.
    With 90% double vaccinated, is there any any point in continuing to marginalise this group?
    Where are all the epidemiologists that are arguing for continued lockdown of the unvaccinated?
    Dan’s focus groups must be telling him that it’s a political plus

  101. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 4, 2021 1:35 pm

    “Social organisation … mmm who crucified him? (Clue it was a well organised Empire)”

    The quotes you put up don’t in any way support your proposition that Jesus was a socialist. The comment quoted above is irrelevant and does not support your proposition.

    And for the record, the well-organised empire was ruled by a chap who took the title Caeser. As in “render unto Caeser what is Caeser’s.” How on earth does that help your case?

    “Strange, I don’t ever recall JC turning up in the old testament in my bible studies”

    Then why did you quote Isaiah? I was merely responding to your Old Testament quote. Do you even read your comments?

    “Do you ever read your comments?”

    Sure do. Nothing but my finest advice for you, my friend. That playful little barb was directed at one of your less endearing foibles – your invincible self-regard, so deeply rooted (so to speak) that you are completely unable to admit you are wrong even in the most obvious cases.

  102. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 4, 2021 1:47 pm

    ” is there any any point in continuing to marginalise this group?”

    Something that scares the crap out of wannabe dictators like Stairman Dan is that there are people who defy his edicts. The noble Stairman will brook no dissent – citizens must respect his authoritah! Fortunately there are still people left who, unlike craven leftists, do not hang on every word of the Dear Leader. Long live the Purebloods!

  103. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2021 9:14 am

    Dan admits “mistakes” but claims a “triumph”
    Dan is f**king delusional.
    * The world’s longest lockdown
    * 58 charges
    * The malaise of Melbourne
    Thanks Dan

    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/andrews-admits-mistakes-but-declares-victoria-s-pandemic-response-a-triumph-20211204-p59esu.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1638647650

  104. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 5, 2021 10:56 am

  105. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 5, 2021 11:57 am

    Victorians appear to have Stockholm syndrome

  106. December 5, 2021 6:17 pm

    None of which would have happened if Scott Morrison had ordered enough vaccines.

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2021 7:15 pm

    Yeah, every Australian state –
    * Experienced the world’s longest lockdown
    * Has a government facing 58 charges
    * Had the most livable city in the world for 9 consecutive years, and has now fallen to Australia’s 3rd most livable city
    And blame Jane… no I mean Jennifer

  108. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 5, 2021 8:39 pm

    “Yeah, every Australian state –”

    We probably all agree that all leaders, federal and state could have made better choices. Yet overall, Australia has done relatively well.

    But when it comes to understanding why Victoria is such a deadly outlier, one particular side will not even entertain the possibility that state government decisions may have had some role.

    Given the significance of the hotel quarantine fuck-up it would be nice to know who made the crucial decision to appoint Unified Security Group and why.

    We will never know the answer to that question owing to the endemic corruption in Victoria and Mongrel Coate’s obstinate determination not to cross-examine the head of Unified Security to ask the pertinent questions and extract the relevant information.

    Instead, it was the decision that made itself – guffaw!

  109. December 5, 2021 9:20 pm

    None of which would have happened if Scott Morrison had ordered enough vaccines..

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2021 9:44 pm

    So the 58 charges over the hotel quarantine debacle are due to the vaccine rollout.
    And Melbourne in steep decline, after being the most livable city in the world for 9 consecutive years
    That’s very funny.

  111. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 6, 2021 5:28 am

    “None of which would have happened if Scott Morrison had ordered enough vaccines..

    Why yes! Of course! If only Morrison had done his job and got the country fully vaxxed by 27 March 2020 all this could have been avoided. That is why Dan bears no responsibility whatsoever.

  112. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 6, 2021 7:57 am

    No surprise here – the Biden crime and incest family is nothing if not vindictive. Why not take it out on the kid!

  113. Tom R permalink
    December 6, 2021 11:40 am

    * Experienced the world’s longest lockdown

    “And reappear in a week with those same tired old dot points he gets from #angryolddingbats HQ”

    [facepalm]

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2021 11:45 am

    And you still haven’t named the city that experienced a longer lockdown

  115. December 6, 2021 12:10 pm

    “Of course! If only Morrison had done his job and got the country fully vaxxed by 27 March 2020 all this could have been avoided.”

    Good to see you finally catching up.

  116. Tom R permalink
    December 6, 2021 12:53 pm

    And you still haven’t named the city that experienced a longer lockdown

    sure nil

  117. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 6, 2021 12:59 pm

    “Good to see you finally catching up.”

    O yes indeedy!

    I hadn’t realised that, since it is Morrison, it is perfectly proper to blame him for not doing something it was impossible for him to do! Now I know what it takes to be an ALP fanboi. All you need do is kiss logic goodbye and keep on mouthing the talking points.

  118. Tom R permalink
    December 6, 2021 1:29 pm

    it is perfectly proper to blame him for not doing something it was impossible for him to do!

    Bloody Dan, why didn’t he just call Pfizer like he should have!

  119. December 6, 2021 1:41 pm

    “Bloody Dan, why didn’t he just call Pfizer like he should have!”

    Or just accepted their offer for “as many vaccines as we like” when THEY rang HIM.

    Now I know what it takes to be an LNP suckjob. 🙄

  120. December 6, 2021 1:43 pm

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  121. Tom R permalink
    December 6, 2021 1:55 pm

    Won’t someone thing of the seamen?

  122. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 6, 2021 1:55 pm

    Poor old Leunig – finally paid the price for thinking outside the bubble:

  123. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 6, 2021 1:58 pm

    Ambition and talent – what’s not to like:

    “Dive! Dive! Dive!
    No muff too tuff.
    We dive at five.

  124. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 6, 2021 2:35 pm

    You guys have completely lost the plot:

    Dan fucked up and killed people in Q2 2020.

    Yet you say those deaths are actually Morrison’s fault because he didn’t order enough vaccine.

    Even though vaccine was not available until 2021.

    Makes perfect sense*

    *to ALP trolls.

  125. Tom R permalink
    December 6, 2021 2:49 pm

    Nice to get funding for something that is already there?

  126. Tom R permalink
    December 6, 2021 2:53 pm

    Yet you say those deaths are actually Morrison’s fault because he didn’t order enough vaccine.

    I thought it was quarantining he didn’t do

    Or was it aged care?

    Hard to know where to stop?

  127. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 6, 2021 3:01 pm

    The proposition was: “None of which would have happened if Scott Morrison had ordered enough vaccines..”

    Which is patently absurd in the context of the hotel quarantine fuck-up. Which happens to be the context in which it was used.

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2021 3:30 pm

    Yeah! And because Morrison didn’t order enough vaccine, the Andrews government has been changed with 58 offences over the public health and workplace safety debacle they oversaw
    And we’re now behind some other backwater Australian cities on the international quality of life index. And even New Zealand ones!
    How humiliating , all because Morrison didn’t order vaccination before it was even discovered!

  129. Tom R permalink
    December 6, 2021 3:55 pm

    Which is patently absurd in the context of the hotel quarantine fuck-up.

    But not in the context of the Delta variant.

    Luckily for us, there have been enough stuff ups by the feds to pick and choose 😉

    all because Morrison didn’t order vaccination before it was even discovered!

    This is true. Other countries had their orders in when it was all a pipe dream. Not our gormless dipshits.

    And didn’t Melbourne bring our economy crashing down too? Or was that just more gormless reporting to be vapidly regurgitated by … olp trolls

    https://the-pen.co/rebuild-australia-with-the-new-economy/

  130. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2021 4:04 pm

    By the way, which city has experienced a longer lockdown?

  131. December 6, 2021 4:07 pm

    “Which is patently absurd in the context of the hotel quarantine fuck-up. Which happens to be the context in which it was used.”

    I don’t need an arsehole to put words in my mouth.

    I suppose your of the view that quarantine is Dan Andrews’ fault too even though it’s a Commonwealth responsibility.

  132. December 6, 2021 4:12 pm

    “all because Morrison didn’t order vaccination before it was even discovered!”

    WTF are you two cunts even on about.

    Pfizer came knocking and asked Morrison how many vaccines do youse want and Morrison said , nah we’re good thanks and hedge all his bets on AZ – coz it was the cheapest.

    In the meantime he abrogated himself of the responsibility for national quarantine leaving the States to scramble around organising haphazard hotel quarantine which isn’t really fit for purpose.

    BTW, how’s Morrison coming along with those national quarantine facilities, I mean, it’s only been like two years….?

    Beijing built a 1,000 bed hospital in six days.

  133. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 6, 2021 4:14 pm

    “But not in the context of the Delta variant.”

    I wasn’t talking about the delta variant. But don’t let that stop you twisting in the wind.

    Other countries had their orders in when it was all a pipe dream. Not our gormless dipshits.

    And that made all the difference in March 2020!

    The great thing for Dan having people like you about, Tom R, is that he never needs use toilet paper again as he can, on demand, have his anus graced by your warm wet tongue.

  134. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 6, 2021 4:32 pm

    “WTF are you two cunts even on about.”

    Firstly, that is a nasty insult. As you can plainly see, I’m not a cunt – I’m an arsehole, and a very tight and fragrant arsehole at that.

    Second, I was trying to be the peacemaker. I put up what I thought was a conciliatory statement of common ground, namely:

    “We probably all agree that all leaders, federal and state could have made better choices. Yet overall, Australia has done relatively well.”

    I noted that some die-hards could not bring themselves to acknowledge that the hotel quarantine fuck-up caused by the appointment of incompetent guards idiots was all on the Victorian government.

    You then replied: “None of which would have happened if Scott Morrison had ordered enough vaccines..”

    I thought that on sober reflection you would see the point, but maybe not? Am I missing something?

  135. December 6, 2021 4:40 pm

    “I noted that some die-hards could not bring themselves to acknowledge that the hotel quarantine fuck-up caused by the appointment of incompetent guards idiots was all on the Victorian government.”

    Yeah, I guess I’ve never thought about that before………

    Hotel Guards hired through ‘WhatsApp’ !

  136. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 6, 2021 5:14 pm

    True. But yet you said none of this would have happened if Scummo had got the vaccines?

  137. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2021 5:24 pm

    And those 58 charges over the hotel quarantine debacle are a beat up!
    If only Morrison had got 90% of the population vaccinated a back in March last year. There’s no excuse for that!

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2021 5:27 pm

    Although maybe there are excuses!
    1. I don’t remember
    2. Blame Jenny
    3. I don’t remember AND blame Jenny
    4. It’s a triumph!

  139. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 6, 2021 5:54 pm

    “Of course! If only Morrison had done his job
    and got the country fully vaxxed by 27 March 2020 all this could have been avoided.”

    When did these vaccines get approved for use?? I have seen links that AstraZeneca was not approved until February 2021.

    Plus i have seen it said that Australia should not get priority because there are other countries who need the vaccine more

  140. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 6, 2021 8:38 pm

    OK here is the link. Vaccines were not approved for use until 2021

    https://www.tga.gov.au/covid-19-vaccine-provisional-registrations

    15 February 2021 AstraZeneca Pty Ltd
    VAXZEVRIA (previously COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca

    a. 25 January 2021 Pfizer Australia Pty Ltd

  141. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2021 6:36 am

    I wasn’t talking about the delta variant. But don’t let that stop you twisting in the wind.

    TBH, I have idea what you are talking about. But the fact remains, the feds let the country down from day one. They did not order vaccines when other countries were, they did not have a plan for quarantine. And to top things off, when the states stepped up and did the best they could with what they had, the feds did nothing but fed bullshit (remember the lies about “we offered resources for hotel security”)

    I wasn’t reading back when you started whatever you started, but the failures of this government are appalling.

    And yomm plays nil well, , still playing the ‘which city has experienced a longer lockdown” ignoramus” even though the answer was there

    [facepalm]

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57079577

    Or more

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-25/fact-check-is-melbourne-most-locked-down-city/100560172

    And let’s not forget, you didn’t like this one because apparently they weren’t ‘first world’ enough?

    https://businesstech.co.za/news/finance/514540/south-africans-hammered-by-500-days-of-lockdown/

  142. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 7, 2021 8:17 am

    Shorter Tom R: Boo Feds – Yay Dan!

    The real [facepalm] here is thinking that failure to vaccinate people with vaccines that did not exist at the time was responsible for the hotel quarantine disaster and the deaths that flowed from it.

    An even stupider [facepalm] is believing that Dan was not responsible.

    And a yet even stupider [facepalm] is to believe that Victoria is not a corrupt state and that Mongrel Coate actually tried to find out who made the decision that made itself.

    TBH, I have idea what you are talking about. “

    Yes you do. You can read. Don’t play stupid with me you stupid troll! 😉

  143. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2021 8:35 am

    Yes you do. You can read. Don’t play stupid with me you stupid troll!

    Then you would understand when I say, “But not in the context of the Delta variant.”

    If you have an issue with what others have said, don’t try and put that on me. It’s obviously from a conversation I haven’t read. You can highlight it for me if you like. Or, you can just get angry … again.

    I see credlin has been dragged kicking and screaming to say sorry for more of her rancid lies.

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2021 8:36 am

    Hilarious!!!
    Tom R uses an article from May to talk about Melbourne’s lockdown that ended in November!!
    And maybe… Manilla had a longer lockdown of a particular demographic, but now Melbourne is back in front because we maintain the lockdown for the unvaccinated! They’re in a lockdown without any forseeable end…as punishment for being dickheads! If only that applied more widely!
    And some town a couple of thousand kms from the the capital of Chile MIGHT also have experienced a long lockdown…but the ABC wasn’t certain.
    That’s awfully conclusive stuff by Tom R!!
    He should use the blushing/embarrassed emoji when posting that

  145. December 7, 2021 9:17 am

    They can’t even get their fkn pamphlet right…!

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  146. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2021 9:23 am

    an article from May to talk about Melbourne’s lockdown that ended in November!!

    Do the math from the infographic yomm. just try it. Oh, and the others were not from May, but go on, ignore them too 😉

    now Melbourne is back in front because we maintain the lockdown for the unvaccinated!

    link?

    They can’t even get their fkn pamphlet right…!

    They’ve been netuered 🙂

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2021 9:27 am

    The unvaccinated remain in lockdown, so on the Manilla criteria, we’re way in front!
    Undefeated!
    And post the link of restrictions that apply to the unvaccinated if you disagree

  148. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2021 9:50 am

    And post the link of restrictions that apply to the unvaccinated if you disagree

    You are the one making the claim dopey?

    And Manila was just one example used, ignore all the others of course

  149. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2021 9:57 am

    What was it about ‘loading our kids up with debt’?

    I mean, at lesst Labor’s achieved something

  150. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 7, 2021 10:20 am

    “Or, you can just get angry … again.”

    I’m not angry, just laughing at you. As the great Declan Patrick Aloysius McManus famously said: I used to be disgusted, now I’m just amused”

  151. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2021 10:36 am

    A town in Chile way out in the back blocks is the one that beat Melbourne? Even the ABC couldn’t say that for sure.
    But we know on the criteria of lockdown of a specific group or demographic, Melbourne sets a new record every day!!

  152. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2021 10:46 am

    I’m not angry, just laughing at you.

    Hysterically from the readings 😉

    A town in Chile way out in the back blocks

    Yes, one of them. Along with South Africa, and Canada

    But hey, keep repeating your rubbish, because it doesn’t matter. Lives were saved, even yours, no thanks required 😉

  153. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2021 11:29 am

    But you don’t accept that by locking down the dickhead demographic (and demographics are suitable according to you and the ABC) , Dan sets a new world record every day!

  154. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2021 11:31 am

    But you don’t accept that by locking down the dickhead demographic

    Theoretically (since I know you are incapable of proving your assertions), why would I?

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2021 1:04 pm

    I replied earlier, but it seems to have disappeared.
    The justification you accept regarding the lockdown in Manilla is-
    * Protection of the vulnerable
    * Reduce the risk of an explosion of serious cases
    * Manage the burden on the health system
    …is the same justification used to continue the lockdown of the unvaccinated.

  156. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2021 2:13 pm

    …is the same justification used to continue the lockdown of the unvaccinated.

    To be clear, I find the discrimination of the unvaccinated cheap politics, and it’s being played by all sides.

    I know the majority of vocal idiots makes the average punter want to hate them, often with good reason, but there are many people who are averse (I cringe at the word ‘hesitant’, it’s another political tool) that have some valid, some not so, reasoning’s, but then, not every decision we make makes sense. I don’t believe we should discriminate against them. We should try to persuade them with logic, or, let them go on their merry way. They are the ones most at risk after all.

    And, the danger here is (probably not Vic), we have opened up before a suitable coverage was attained (according to the governments own analysis). Time will tell how fool hardy that was.

    Vic opened up to early because of the number of already existing cases out there, the governments analysis was predicated on no cases in the wild.

    Still awaiting that link though yomm (along with various other links and apologies) 😉

  157. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2021 3:27 pm

    Yep, so the lockdown of unvaccinated continues under the premise of a public health measure.
    Therefore it is in the same category as the lockdown of Manila. But much longer now

  158. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2021 3:34 pm

    Therefore it is in the same category as the lockdown of Manila.

    yer really stretchin’ that bow, aren’t ya yomm lol

    Just add it to the list of apologese 😉

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2021 4:05 pm

    Maybe then explain the difference between those people who are in lockdown as a public health measure, and other people who are in lockdown as a public health measure

  160. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2021 4:24 pm

    those people

    yomm. What people? LINK!

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2021 5:16 pm

    Hilarious! A surrender!

  162. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2021 6:20 pm

    yomm, you can’t create a phantom argument, refuse to provide any evidence of the argument, and then claim your point is proven. It just doesn’t make any sense.

    Be clear. Provide some sort of explanation for what you are saying?

  163. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2021 7:29 pm

    Apparently friendly jordies made sexist remarks about barilaro, palmer, and some other whiny little bitch.

    The ALP should dis-endorse him NOW!

    [sarc]

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    December 7, 2021 8:50 pm

    Whew!

  165. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 7, 2021 9:09 pm

    So you’re arguing that Manila had a longer lockdown because it applied to a group that the government imposed restrictions on, as part of their public health response
    Meanwhile in Victoria, there is a group that the government has imposed restrictions on, as part of their public health response. But the one in Victoria doesn’t count.
    That’s your position, and your logic

  166. Tom R permalink
    December 7, 2021 10:35 pm

    So you’re arguing that Manila had a longer lockdown

    No, you’re the one who latched onto that specific aspect about other areas having different sorts of lockdowns, and how it can make comparisons difficult, and then tried to use it as an example ROFL.

    Meanwhile in Victoria, there is a group that the government has imposed restrictions on, as part of their public health response.

    So you keep claiming, but I have no context for it. Any idea why? I do know here in SA the unvaxxed are being used as a whipping boy, and in other regions, and countries (like Manila, for example 😉 ) there are still different rules for different people.

    Not entirely relevant to wide ranging lockdowns really, is it?

    But then, you seem to have decided what I have said, without once addressing what I said, and you are arguing with yourself over what you are saying I’m saying, (and not doing really well tbh).

    That’s your position, and your total lack of self awareness

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 8, 2021 8:15 am

    I have no context for it.
    That’s not all you’re lacking… add coherence, logic and independence of mind

  168. Tom R permalink
    December 8, 2021 9:17 am

    That’s not all you’re lacking… add … a link 😉

    Like this, that shows TAXPAYERS forked out $BILLIONS so major companies could retain outsource workers

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2021/12/07/qantas-crown-jobkeeper/

    Qantas fights on against court ruling it unlawfully sacked 2,000 workers

    https://theconversation.com/qantas-fights-on-against-court-ruling-it-unlawfully-sacked-2-000-workers-167434

  169. Dianne permalink
    December 8, 2021 10:46 am

    Re: … shows TAXPAYERS forked out $BILLIONS so major companies could …

    While it’s a claim often made, fact is it’s the government that’s spending government money. Yes the dollars allocated once belonged to taxpayers (including big taxpayers such as BHP, big 4 Banks and other non-voting entities – as well as some citizens) but that ‘belonging’ was in the past.

    Government spends government money.

    If in any doubt, check Section 81 of the Constitution (re Consolidated Revenue)

    .. All revenues or moneys raised or received by the Executive Government of the Commonwealth shall form one Consolidated Revenue Fund, to be appropriated for the purposes of the Commonwealth

    The Section 83 of same states:

    No money shall be drawn from the Treasury of the Commonwealth except under appropriation made by law’

    Crystal clear that, legally at least, governments spend government monies.

    It’s only politicians (on all sides) who speak of spending ‘taxpayer’ dollars. Never ‘official’ Commonwealth publications.

    Apparently it’s a type of security blanket for those punters who like to think that the money is still theirs lol.

  170. Tom R permalink
    December 8, 2021 12:22 pm

    Government spends government money.

    I just like to remind certain partici-plants here about the ‘debt and deficit’, ‘leaners and lifters’ days of yore, and how that ‘fiscal responsibility’ only applies to one side of politics 😉

  171. Dianne permalink
    December 8, 2021 12:47 pm

    As one of Hockey’s leaners , (being an effective non-taxpayer and a non net contributor to the public purse while proud of same) I am still a legitimate voting citizen.

    Not well understood, that it’s CITIZENS who elect governments and their tax paying status is completely irrelevant. Even with the proposed voter ID, it was never suggested that they produce their tax return at the ballot box..

    Everyone who visits/resides in Australia becomes a taxpayer. It’s as easy as buying a coffee or an ice-cream for example. Yes, even Rupert is probably therefore a taxpayer. As is the Russian Ambassador, backpackers, children, Macron, Putin, Merkel, etc etc.

    In a sense, taxpaying results from legal obligations. It doesn’t bestow ‘rights’ (including voting rights) as Citizenship does.

  172. Tom R permalink
    December 8, 2021 1:15 pm

    being an effective non-taxpayer and a non net contributor to the public purse

    That’s not my view. My wife is an ‘effective non-taxpayer’, but her efforts, while not financial, add far more to the overall productivity and health of our society than hockey ever has, or will. It’s about a lot more than just money.

    And, as you mention, everyone pays tax, thanks howard and the abusive gst

    But, as a citizen (and as such, then a TAXPAYER 😉 ), I care very much if they are wasting OUR money

  173. Dianne permalink
    December 8, 2021 1:51 pm

    Re – wasting OUR money

    Because it’s Citizens (and not taxpayers as such) who elect governments, then it can be reasonably seen as OUR money if we are talking about Citizens (whose tax status is irrelevant when it comes to voting). . Citizens can be seen as ’employers’ of government because they elect same – albeit not often nor directly enough.

    Personally, we don’t get an age/disability etc pension BUT we do benefit significantly from what economists sometimes call tax expenditures. We get benefits via dividend imputations (via super AND other investments), we don’t pay tax on super income etc etc.

    Again, we are ‘leaners’ and proud of that. After all it’s Citizens who own this Nation and not corporations whether they be local or foreign. Don’t like it? Then go elsewhere.

    Thus we are an effective drain on the public purse and not effective (net) taxpayers. (Hockey was right in that sense.). As Citizens we rely on big taxpayers like BHP, Banks, Miners etc (all non-citizens and therefore non-voters) to be net, effective taxpayers to pay, and meet their legal obligations – as imposed by Citizens via their government.

  174. Tom R permalink
    December 8, 2021 3:09 pm

    Thus we are an effective drain on the public purse

    I prefer the term ‘investment’ 😉

    As Citizens we rely on big taxpayers like BHP, Banks, Miners..

    They rely on us as much (I’d argue more), so it’s a symbiotic relationship. They profit more from a well functioning society than one run to the ground.

  175. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 8, 2021 3:20 pm

    and how that ‘fiscal responsibility’ only applies to one side of politic

    It should be mentioned that the Commonwealth was debt free twice in the lifetimes of most Australians. In 1972 and in 2007 thanks to the Coalition we were debt free.

    Both times Labor was then elected and trashed the budget. Whitlam/ALP was handed zero govt debt in 1972. Whitlam then trashed the budget and govt debt kept increasing until 1996. Howard/Costello in an amazing achievement not only reduced govt debt, they took it to zero by 2007.

    Then Rudd/ALP was elected, trashed the budget and who knows how long govt debt will keep increasing. When Whitlam trashed the budget debt increased for 25 years.

    I predict since aussies were so stupid to elected Rudd in 2007 govt debt will keep increasing for 50 years

  176. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 8, 2021 3:38 pm

    “I predict since aussies were so stupid to elected Rudd in 2007 govt debt will keep increasing for 50 years” especially since the vast bulk of government debt was incurred under Coalition governments

  177. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 8, 2021 3:43 pm

    Splatterbum

    Have you ever tried to put humpy dumpty back together again?? Do you remember the squeals in 2014 when the Coalition tried some mild measures to get the budget back into surplus but were rejected by Australia??

    Shows how great Howard/Costello were. Howard is the ONLY govt since 1972 to reduce govt debt. Not only did they reduce it they took debt to ZERO by 2007

    I predict since aussies were so stupid to elected Rudd in 2007 govt debt will keep increasing for 50 years

  178. Dianne permalink
    December 8, 2021 4:56 pm

    If I was to live for the metaphorical forever then I would never be out of what some call ‘debt’. How does one successfully ‘invest’ without going into ‘debt’?

    Spent my whole adult life in debt and my main regret is that I didn’t have even more debt.

    Big organisations are never out of debt.

    Current public debt of the USA is now somewhere north of $29 trillion. The Japanese public debt is estimated to be approximately $13.11 trillion US Dollars (1.4 quadrillion yen). Australia has A$834 billion or thereabouts.

    The again – suppose some believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy as well.

  179. Dianne permalink
    December 8, 2021 5:56 pm

    Re Government Debt. One perhaps should be aware that a significant portion of government debt is in fact simply owed to another part of government, (Read Reserve Bank.) And it’s being going on for years.

    At the November 2020 Board meeting, the Reserve Bank announced that it would undertake a $100 billion bond purchase program, purchasing $80 billion of Australian Government Securities (AGS) and $20 billion of bonds issued by the state and territory borrowing authorities (semi-government bonds, or semis) over the …(17 June 2021)

    Dear oh dear. And perhaps it didn’t even have to go through that charade? Could have just made a few key strokes on a computer screen and made a few notes for the record(s).

    But then again, it’s not dealing with the punters who matter. Or who understand.

  180. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 9, 2021 9:07 am

    ” One perhaps should be aware that a significant portion of government debt is in fact simply owed to another part of government, (Read Reserve Bank.)”

    When the Reserve Bank purchases government bonds it is not a neutral transaction. Doing so increases the money supply – it’s printing money in common parlance.

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2021 9:47 am

    ‘Tis all fiat money … central banks are independent of government.

    I recommend “The Creature From Jekyll Island” … central banks are the biggest con job in the world …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    In other government stupidity, it seems the only ballots I am destined to win are run by government to call me up for service … after seven calls for jury service, sitting on two juries (one as foreman) I have just received my eighth summons!

    “Secret” government “ballots” must be rigged. Like everything else.

  182. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 9, 2021 10:31 am

    TB, I was going to look into The Creature from Jekyll Island but then I read this on Wikipedia:

    G. Edward Griffin (born November 7, 1931) is an American author, filmmaker, and conspiracy theorist. Griffin’s writings promote a number of right-wing views and conspiracy theories regarding various of his political, defense and health care interests.

    In his book World Without Cancer, he argued in favor of a pseudo-scientific theory that asserted cancer to be a nutritional deficiency curable by consuming amygdalin.

    He is the author of The Creature from Jekyll Island (1994), which advances debunked conspiracy theories about the Federal Reserve System.

    He is an HIV/AIDS denialist, supports the 9/11 Truth movement, and supports a specific John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theory. He also believes that the Biblical Noah’s Ark is located at the Durupınar site in Turkey.

    I never figured you for a retailer of right-wing conspiracy theories. But there you go.

  183. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 9, 2021 12:03 pm

    Can someone name a government that would prefer more debt to less. Or a company that seeks debt that it can’t sustain

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2021 12:08 pm

    “The Creature from Jekyll Island” is an interesting read and describes the formation of the US Federal Reserve on Jekyll Island in the Potomac River … and how central banks in general work … or don’t …

    There’s conspiracy theories and historical data … both need sifting … most people think that central banks are a government department … not so (Joe Hockey was confused and gave our RBA $9 billion! For nowt) …

    If our taxes are payment to government to provide goods and services … do they fall under the Competition and Consumer Act 2010? If so I’m entitled to a refund, replacement or repair (my choice) … I choose a refund … including all the fkn provisional tax I paid – for nothing …

    I never figured you for a retailer of right-wing conspiracy theories.

    Never judge a book by its (under) cover 😎

    Back to the slog – I’ve got more bleeding work now than when I paid taxes!!!

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2021 12:09 pm

    Can someone name a government that would prefer more debt to less. Or a company that seeks debt that it can’t sustain

    Pretty good question, ToM … good debt or bad debt?

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 9, 2021 12:41 pm

    Just name a government, or a business that perfers higher and increasing debt to lower.

  187. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 9, 2021 1:39 pm

    “Just name a government, or a business that prefers higher and increasing debt to lower.”

    If you judge governments by what they do, Australian governments for the last decade gave preferred to have more debt. Despite what they say, the act like proponents of Modern Monetary Theory

    MMT economists make several claims:

    Firstly, they say we’ve been thinking about budget deficits incorrectly.

    They say budget deficits are not always bad. In fact, deficits are often necessary and beneficial. A budget deficit is merely evidence of extra government spending, and government spending boosts the wealth of private sector businesses and households.

    In the case of businesses lower debt is not always preferable to higher debt. The right balance depends on an analysis the cost of capital. Quite often, companies borrow and at the same time return capital to shareholders if they believe that outcome will produce a lower overall cost of capital.

  188. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 9, 2021 2:07 pm

    Great news for the older gent, TB. From the esteemed journal Nature:

    We developed an endophenotype disease module-based methodology for Alzheimer’s disease (AD) drug repurposing and identified sildenafil as a potential disease risk modifier. Based on retrospective case–control pharmacoepidemiologic analyses of insurance claims data for 7.23 million individuals, we found that sildenafil usage was significantly associated with a 69% reduced risk of AD (hazard ratio 0.31, 95% confidence interval 0.25–0.39, P < 1.0 × 10–8).

    For those of us not accustomed to using the generic name at the pharmacy (for privacy purposes), sildenafil is more commonly known as Viagara. Thus we now have access to a relatively safe dual purpose drug which should make our senior years more enjoyable and, indeed, more memorable.

  189. Tom R permalink
    December 9, 2021 2:10 pm

    Just name a government, or a business that perfers higher and increasing debt to lower.

    Obviously morrisons. They just borrowed our kids future so they could give joyce and other undeserving assholes more undeserved money, $30 billion worth, with no strings attached, and they have no idea how they are ever going to pay it back, unlike Swan, who had revenue plans to fund it, that hockey etal stomped on once they got into government.

  190. Tom R permalink
    December 9, 2021 2:16 pm

  191. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 9, 2021 2:18 pm

    No, I think this question remains reasonable
    *Can someone name a government that would prefer more debt to less. Or a company that seeks debt that it can’t sustain

  192. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 9, 2021 2:26 pm

    Tom R, that is quite enough of your fiscal conservatism. MMT has been working quite nicely, lately. Anyway, where did the Jobkeeper payments end up? With the worker, of course.

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2021 2:34 pm

    With the worker, of course.

    Depends who you call “the worker” … don’t think Gerry would consider himself a “worker” …

    oh … sarc*

  194. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 9, 2021 2:44 pm

    MMT is like climate change denial-
    * defer the problem for another generation or two
    * a small minority of discipline experts advocate it
    * what could possibly go wrong?

  195. Tom R permalink
    December 9, 2021 3:18 pm

    Anyway, where did the Jobkeeper payments end up? With the worker, of course.

    for the slower ones at the back of the class, no, it didn’t ‘end up with the workers’, it ended up in the pockets of the fat cats.

    Like this, that shows TAXPAYERS forked out $BILLIONS so major companies could retain outsource workers

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2021/12/07/qantas-crown-jobkeeper/

    Qantas fights on against court ruling it unlawfully sacked 2,000 workers

    https://theconversation.com/qantas-fights-on-against-court-ruling-it-unlawfully-sacked-2-000-workers-167434

  196. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 9, 2021 3:20 pm

    TB, I thought if Jobkeeper wasn’t passed on to employees it had to be repaid. What did Gerry do?

  197. Dianne permalink
    December 9, 2021 4:04 pm

    So – .. TAXPAYERS forked out $BILLIONS …

    Are you sure? Thought that it was only executive government that had access to consolidated revenue via the legislative arm, so if it were TAXPAYERS (including companies etc) that made the decision to ‘fork out’, then how did they achieve that?

    Further, why would TAXPAYERS be asked? After all it’s not taxpayers who vote (because they’re taxpayers).

    Most probably none at all apart from those members of Cabinet who are empowered to make such decisions such as the PM, Treasurer, Finance Minister etc.

    Seems like the schooling system has failed us again. The new Education Minister (Brother Stewie Robert) will nevertheless rejoice in the misunderstandings. Let the Sleepers slumber.

  198. Tom R permalink
    December 9, 2021 4:15 pm

    Are you sure?

    Even you pay taxes, so, yes, I’m sure 😉

    btw,welcome to this little corner of the webs. Not sure I’ve said hi yet 🙂

  199. Dianne permalink
    December 9, 2021 4:48 pm

    I also pay butchers, bakers and candlestick makers or the odd rare occasion and I fully understand that when I have paid same then it’s no longer my money. It’s theirs to do as they please (provided they don’t break the law.) So it is with government.

    Money paid to government is transferred under the umbrella of legal obligation. It’s not a donation. When paid it’s no longer mine. It goes into Consolidated Revenue and stays there until appropriated by the legislative branch.

    Tense is important. What was was once mine is no longer mine. It now belonga to guverment!

  200. Tom R permalink
    December 9, 2021 5:14 pm

    when I have paid same then it’s no longer my money.

    No, it’s not MINE, it’s OURS. It’s definitely not THEIR money. Sure, we voted them in, that doesn’t give them the right to splash cash around to their chosen electorates. It’s why the court found that the sports rorts unconstitutional

    https://www.crikey.com.au/2020/01/22/sports-rorts-unconstitutional/

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2021 5:41 pm

    Tense is important. What was was once mine is no longer mine. It now belonga to guverment!

    You are paying for services “promised” – refund … please …

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2021 5:50 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/09/rba-governor-philip-lowe-signals-central-bank-is-open-to-retail-digital-currencies

    Read all the article … heading may be misleading …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Thought I’d double check … Gerry, sort of paid some back …

    The $6.02 million figure, repaid by the business, reflects all the wage subsidies received by company-controlled entities over the 2020 and 2021 financial years. A remaining $14.5 million, which was not repaid, was received by the company’s privately owned franchisees.

    Mr Harvey and his business have received intense public and political scrutiny over JobKeeper since the billionaire staunchly refused to repay the subsidy earlier this year despite a massive jump in earnings.

    The change of heart comes as the electronics and furniture retailer reported a year of record sales and earnings for the business. Revenue rose 15.3 per cent to $9.72 billion and adjusted profit before tax spiked a massive 78.8 per cent to $1.18 billion.

  203. Dianne permalink
    December 9, 2021 5:58 pm

    Well if it’s yours why don’t you ask for it back? Or have to tried that? After all you believe it’s yours. If you haven’t asked for your money back, then why not?

    Perhaps then the metaphorical penny might drop as to whom the current owner is. (But probably not.)

    No wonder they can do as they will. No wonder they don’t want students to study politics and like subjects. Keep em busy with some rote learning.

    It’s all just too easy! Let them (the sleeping citizens) ponder the shadows on the wall of The Cave and all that.

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2021 7:24 pm

    Well if it’s yours why don’t you ask for it back?

    For the same reason I was a Nasho … democracy is no different to communism … our tour guide in VN was astounded when I told her about NS – her reaction was too … “they forced to fight us?”

    Get used to the cynicism … eight calls to jury service … two trials … (I did meet Kerry Lonergan from Landline on my last “jury tour” always a positive – very knowledgeable bloke)

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    December 9, 2021 7:27 pm

    … ponder the shadows on the wall of The Cave and all that.

    Ponder the shadows on the wall of The Cavern and all that.

  206. Tom R permalink
    December 9, 2021 10:08 pm

    Well if it’s yours why don’t you ask for it back?

    Not sure who you are talking to there? I said it was ours.And yes, we want it back. The likes of harvey and joyce have fleeced enough from their customers, now they’re fleecing it from taxpayers too

    Ponder the shadows on the wall of The Cavern and all that.

    I watched a short vid the other night of Paul McCartney jamming along until he came up with their hit Get Back, it was amazing.

  207. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 10, 2021 8:01 am

    The soft bigotry of low expectations:

    Brown, Oregon’s Democratic governor, had quietly signed Senate Bill 744 into law last month, discarding the requirement that high school graduates be able to demonstrate an ability to read, write, and do math at a high school level. A spokesman for Brown explained that this would benefit “Oregon’s Black, Latino, Latina, Latinx, Indigenous, Asian, Pacific Islander, Tribal, and students of color.” For those confused about the logic, he added that the state needed “equitable graduation standards, along with expanded learning opportunities and supports.”

    Everyone knows it is unfair to expect “Oregon’s Black, Latino, Latina, Latinx, Indigenous, Asian, Pacific Islander, Tribal, and students of colour” to be able to read and write!

  208. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2021 10:15 am

    Soft Bigotry, or ignorance?

    Oregon DID NOT remove the need to demonstrate the ability to read, write, and do math. They removed the requirement to pass the state’s tests in these areas to prove it. Students demonstrate these abilities every day in our schools in English classes, math classes, and other course work. This simply removes a poorly thought out requirement to pass single point in time tests of roughly 50 questions each as a graduation requirement, removing an unnecessary barrier for our students.

    https://www.quora.com/Kate-Brown-Oregon-s-Democratic-governor-had-quietly-signed-Senate-Bill-744-into-law-last-month-discarding-the-requirement-that-high-school-graduates-be-able-to-demonstrate-an-ability-to-read-write-and-do-math-Good?share=1

  209. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 10, 2021 10:31 am

    How does the measure specifically benefit “Oregon’s Black, Latino, Latina, Latinx, Indigenous, Asian, Pacific Islander, Tribal, and students of colour”?

  210. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 10, 2021 10:37 am

    Good news – race-hate fraudster Smelly Gusset convicted.

  211. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2021 10:42 am

    How does the measure specifically benefit “Oregon’s Black, Latino, Latina, Latinx, Indigenous, Asian, Pacific Islander, Tribal, and students of colour”?

    Single point tests are narrow, and limited, so, if there is confusion around one poorly worded (or understood) question, the non-English speaking student will be at a disadvantage.

  212. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 10, 2021 10:45 am

    So why pick these categories as beneficiaries “Oregon’s Black, Latino, Latina, Latinx, Indigenous, Asian, Pacific Islander, Tribal, and students of colour”?

  213. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2021 10:49 am

    So why pick these categories

    “non-English speaking student “

  214. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 10, 2021 10:58 am

    ““non-English speaking student “”

    That is a completely different category! Stinking hypocrisy all round, then. If that is what they meant they should have said so instead of implying that “Oregon’s Black, Latino, Latina, Latinx, Indigenous, Asian, Pacific Islander, Tribal, and students of colour” are too stupid to pass tests.

  215. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2021 11:17 am

    That is a completely different category

    How so?

  216. Dianne permalink
    December 10, 2021 12:08 pm

    Re school achievement standards here in Australia and elsewhere, across time. As always, some are in decline while some are on the rise.

    Of course it depends on what standards one is talking about.

    At least three categories are possible. First we have needs based standards. Once, students and adults needed to do arithmetic calculations in their head. Employees (some) needed to write in ‘copper plate’. Many needed to shoe horses and pick up their shit on a shovel. The standard (relatively speaking) was quite high. Now it’s in decline. The need has changed.

    Way back in the 1820s, Charles Babbage conceptualized the computer. But the vast majority had no idea what he was even talking about and the standard of student achievement was therefore very low. But no-one cared because there was no need .

    While one could go on and refer to norm referenced standards and criterion referenced standards, perhaps it might be better to return to Oregon and look a little deeper there.

    Firstly, the (bisexual) Mayor is a Democrat and one might note that Democrats (generally) have deep political roots in most (but not all) minority communities. So that might explain why such groups received a mention in the ‘presser’. Good politicians never forget their base.

    Second, over the years credentialism has reached plague proportions. If you don’t have a credential then you are likely not to make it beyond the first cut in the job selection process. Again look at the US Democrat demographic.

    This is an enormous topic, particularly for those who can read beyond the mere barking at sounds and words.

  217. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 10, 2021 12:14 pm

    “How So?”

    Can’t help you any more with this.

  218. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 10, 2021 12:24 pm

  219. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2021 12:28 pm

    Can’t help you any more with this.

    Is that because English isn’t your first language?

  220. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 10, 2021 1:11 pm

    Troll-feeding time is over for today.

  221. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2021 2:05 pm

  222. Tom R permalink
    December 10, 2021 3:31 pm

  223. ivi permalink
    December 11, 2021 11:04 am

    (I can/’t has cheezburgerz?)

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2021 7:16 pm

    Troll-feeding time is over for today.

    der Anführer hat gesprochen …

    Is there any comments here about Morrison’s failings? Or just “look over there”?

    Just where are the Proud Boys? And Qanon? And the Nationals?

    Protesting in Melbourne? 🤣🤣🤣

    Can you find, ToM?

    https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/thousands-of-protesters-expected-to-hit-melbourne-streets-over-vaccine-mandates/news-story/f175cfdd171b4211e25f5e6ae0a83b60

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2021 7:25 pm

    This is an enormous topic, particularly for those who can read beyond the mere barking at sounds and words.

    And way beyond this forum …

    I see the “academics” * are already at play quoting “academic” theory …

  226. Dianne permalink
    December 13, 2021 8:33 am

    Re: … at play quoting “academic” theory …

    So that would be your theory TB? Just askin …

  227. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2021 11:53 am

    Is this the MMT theory in action?

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 13, 2021 12:29 pm

    I see the “Voices for…” movement has a candidate in my seat, Kooyong.
    It’s interesting that Voices for… only stand in Liberal/National seats, Nd they might as well be called the “Voices for… (AMA & Greens sub branch)”
    The candidate in Kooyong seems quite reluctant to have much to say about her personal orientation and affiliations, which I think is a problem for an independent. If a candidate is standing on a party platform, you know what you’re getting.
    The prominent Voices for Kooyong independent seems to think it’s enough to say-
    * I’m a doctor! So trust me
    * I love the environment
    * I’m not Josh
    That might be enough!

  229. Dianne permalink
    December 13, 2021 1:29 pm

    Re: “ … you know what you’re getting …

    Really? Or is it the case you know what they’re promising ?

    Remember “No cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change to pensions, no change to the GST and no cuts to the ABC or SBS.”

    Then there was the promise of a Federal ICAC (or equivalent) this time around.

    Sorry but “political party platforms are like railway platforms. There to get in from and not to remain on.”

    And the “Voices” group tend to be Liberal Lite as evidenced by their voting records.

    Nevertheless, with their access to big dollars it might be just enough in some electorates.

    Perhaps the “Voices” will promise to keep money out of politics ?

    But probably not.

  230. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 13, 2021 2:34 pm

    This is so fucked up. Might as well abolish womens’ sports.

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 13, 2021 3:37 pm

    Independents have to be even more open and transparent, because there isn’t a philosophy that binds them.
    But really -“vote for me because I’m not Josh…and I’m a doctor” is a little thin

  232. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2021 3:54 pm

    “vote for me because I’m not Josh…and I’m a doctor” is a little thin

    As opposed to “Vote for Liberal because Labor will EAT YOUR MOTHER AND STEAL YOUR TAXES”? (or is it steal your mother and eat your taxes?)

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 13, 2021 4:05 pm

    And you know what you expect from the Liberals and vote accordingly.
    Others make their own judgements about the history and reputation of the major parties.
    Independents don’t have that, and that’s why I’m a little perplexed about the apparent reluctance of the Kooyong independent to discuss past their allegiances and theorganisations they’ve supported
    * Trust me, I’m a doctor and I’m not Josh and I love the environment… is unlikely to be sustained until the election

  234. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 13, 2021 4:16 pm

    “”””””””””””Shadow Treasurer
    @JEChalmers
    says the two highest-taxing governments of the past 30 years have been Coalition governments, including the current one.”””””””””

    Trouble is the story keeps changing. The story used to be that the Howard/Costello tax cuts destroyed the budget. Then ALP supporters found a different angle. Howard taxed the crap out of people

  235. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2021 4:37 pm

    And you know what you expect from the Liberals and vote accordingly.

    Lies?

  236. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2021 4:38 pm

    For kindle users who can’t do links 🙂

    https://www.voicesofkooyong.com

  237. Dianne permalink
    December 13, 2021 5:08 pm

    Certainly not in favor of tax cuts because low taxes translates to low levels of government services. Unless of course one is talking about ‘war toys’ and for those there’s never enough.

    As for ‘Liberals’ and a philosophy behind them. Yes there is a set of philosophical principles behind liberalism but to suggest that those who currently travel under that banner have any appreciation or adherences to those liberal attitudes, values and the like is more than a stretch. Locke, Mill, Dewey, Rawls et al would be ashamed.

    To some extent, all elections should be about trust and not only in government but other societal institutions as well including the media. Sadly that’s evaporated.

    Democracy here and elsewhere across the world looks like a failed experiment as Plato predicted.

  238. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 13, 2021 8:20 pm

    <<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>

    At least that is more honest than TomR or Jim Chalmers. Most socialists would never cut taxes but increase them so i am not sure what Chalmers is on about.

  239. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 13, 2021 8:44 pm

    I think there remains plenty of efficiency to be extracted from government services. There are entire departments that only exist to cover the backside of politicians, this occurs at each tier of government.
    Vast overheads and poor service, that’s the public service

  240. Dianne permalink
    December 13, 2021 9:08 pm

    In a ‘democracy’, governments (at all levels) must be held accountable to the citizenry who elect them. Accordingly, government activity, ideally, should be transparent, including the creation of audit trails, records and the like that endure over time. Thus, there’s always a trade-off with ‘efficiency’ having to be reduced.

    No doubt that’s one of the many downsides of a ‘democracy’.

  241. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 14, 2021 8:54 am

    Accordingly, government activity, ideally, should be transparent

    FDA asks for 55 years to complete FOIA request on Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine

    Of course the usual suspects put it about that there is nothing to see here, time to move on.

    Whatever the reason for this shemozzle, it does nothing to instil confidence in the vaccine and fewer people will take it. The court should require immediate release of all the information on public health grounds.

  242. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 14, 2021 2:03 pm

    Telling the truth earns you powerful enemies:

  243. Dianne permalink
    December 14, 2021 4:45 pm

    Splatterbottom, can’t comment on FOI arrangements in the USA because I lack any knowledge. But perhaps a few points might be in order, albeit at a high level of generality re historical developments re FOI in Australia.

    Oppositions (regardless of where they sit on the ideological divide) recognised that making FOI requests was a worthwhile ‘fishing expedition’. And at a number of levels.

    First, they cast their application as broad as possible. In so doing, they received a predictable response along the lines – Could you narrow the focus?

    You see every Department, Agency, etc (government and non-government), as well as all individuals mentioned in the documents has to be consulted to see if they have any objections to their release. Many do, arguing that their view(s) were given in confidence and not for public consumption. And so on.

    The FOI Officer has to make a decision which then can be appealed to an FOI Commissioner. And so it goes. On and on. Back and forth. (Only in government never in the private sector.)

    These ‘delays’ then become grist for the mill in terms of media releases. Indeed the ‘delay’ often becomes the story. What is the government hiding? etc (A media headline that’s simply ‘Too easy’.)

    As I recall, every State in Australia as well as the Commonwealth modified its FOI legislation. Even then, many Ministers, both State and Federal, refused to authorise releases.

    Today FOI is still problematic in Australia. Are Cabinet Documents confidential? What about National Cabinet submissions and decisions? Morrisson argues that they should be off limits.

    One could go on and on. It’s a never ending nightmare for Government and a perfect platform for Opposition whenever they want to make mischief. The concept of FOI is legitimate but the implementation leaves much to be desired.

    Not surprised that the FOI request and subsequent legal action is taking place in Texas. A State where a citizen can be rewarded up to $10 000 for ‘dobbing in’ someone who aborts.

    Conventions are being abandoned. Democracy is in trouble.

  244. Tony permalink
    December 14, 2021 8:08 pm

    It’s good to see the majority opinion now is lower taxes are better.

  245. Tom R permalink
    December 14, 2021 9:52 pm

    It’s good to see the majority opinion now is lower taxes are better.

    Or perhaps you have misconstrued the sentiments? The point being that, even though the media and their Liberal party lackeys have been claiming (and still do) that Labor are the party of BIG TAXES,this is demonstratively false. The evidence shows that Labor are the party of SMART taxes (and fairer ones)

    Normally, I’m supportive of larger taxes. But not when the grubmint is illegally giving it to their own mates who don’t need it, and definitely don’t deserve it.

    FOI in Australia has become an absolute joke in this cuntry

  246. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 15, 2021 10:24 am

    Oppositions (regardless of where they sit on the ideological divide) recognised that making FOI requests was a worthwhile ‘fishing expedition’. And at a number of levels.

    Good – more power to them. Do you prefer a system without oppositions or perhaps a system where oppositions are toothless to extract information? What on earth is wrong with anyone (including oppositions) trying to hold governments to account by forcing the disclosure of information that the government would prefer remain hidden?

    “First, they cast their application as broad as possible. In so doing, they received a predictable response along the lines – Could you narrow the focus?”

    And this is wrong because…..? If the application is not drafted broadly the scope for the government hiding documents is expanded.

    “You see every Department, Agency, etc (government and non-government), as well as all individuals mentioned in the documents has to be consulted to see if they have any objections to their release. Many do, arguing that their view(s) were given in confidence and not for public consumption. And so on.”

    Fuck the bullshit excuses. If the documents are part of the process of government then the people have a right to know.

    “One could go on and on. It’s a never ending nightmare for Government and a perfect platform for Opposition whenever they want to make mischief. The concept of FOI is legitimate but the implementation leaves much to be desired.”

    It is only a nightmare for governments which try to conceal their actions from the governed – which is all of them.

    We will have much better government if the government understands that citizens have a right to see how the sausage is made.

  247. Tom R permalink
    December 15, 2021 11:02 am

    If the documents are part of the process of government then the people have a right to know.

    Exactly. And in straya, we have chosen to hide rather than show

  248. Tom R permalink
    December 15, 2021 11:43 am

    Better. Economic. Managers

    If the Liberals described our 2012-13 deficit as a “budget emergency”, how do they describe a deficit more than eight times the size?

    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/pm-s-reckless-spending-puts-australia-in-inflation-firing-line-20211214-p59hdk

  249. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 15, 2021 2:25 pm

    Because the leftist mongrels of the Toronto School Board prefer Yazidis to be raped than Muslims to be offended:

    And if anyone, Muslim or otherwise, is offended by this woman telling her story they should be kicked to the kerb and shat on, metaphorically speaking.

  250. Dianne permalink
    December 15, 2021 4:31 pm

    For those wanting insights into how governments actually operate. (Nothing like households.)

    MMT has much going for it in the insight stakes.

  251. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 15, 2021 6:30 pm

    “””Better. Economic. Managers”””

    TomR

    You may have a point if you think govt should stop spending. But you come from the side of politics that thinks budget deficits are great and govt budgets are not like household budgets.

    Hence the reason Conservative voters are deserting the Coalition. Both sides of politics are now big spending and big deficit believers.

  252. Dianne permalink
    December 15, 2021 6:54 pm

    Sb – perhaps you need to read a bit wider before posting.

    “The event has not been cancelled,” spokesman Ryan Bird told Fox. “Earlier this month, an opinion that did not reflect the position of the Toronto District School Board was shared with the organizer of a book club prior to staff having an opportunity to read the book – something that is routinely done before giving them to students.

    Staff currently reading the book and anticipate being able to add it to the list of titles used in the corresponding course(s) very shortly. We have apologized to Ms. Murad for this error and believe she has a powerful story to share with our students.”

    As for ‘leftist mongrels’. And on the Toronto District School Board. Hilarious.

    Care to point out the mongrels? All elected in 22 (separate) municipal contests.

    https://www.tdsb.on.ca/leadership/trustees

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    December 15, 2021 8:40 pm

    So that would be your theory TB? Just askin …

    Just askin? … nah … just my profession …

  254. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2021 8:10 am

    “perhaps you need to read a bit wider before posting.”

    Hilarious comment. You do know that the Board acts through its administrators?

    Obviously you followed the link in my original comment on this topic. I was well aware that the Board backtracked after the decision became public. The backdown does nothing to rehabilitate the Board’s reputation. Rather, it shows the Board is embarrassed at becoming an object of international scorn.

    In fact, the Board’s administrator, Helen Fisher (Superintendent of Education), told the organiser of the event that the Board’s equity department had decided not to support Nadia Murad’s talk. When shown material regarding the nature if ISIS the hideous Fisher doubled down and sent the organiser a copy of the board’s policy on selecting equitable, culturally relevant, and responsive reading materials.

    Mongrel Fisher also told the book club organiser that the Board would not be supporting a talk by Marie Henein, the daughter of Egyptian immigrants and one of Canada’s most prominent lawyers. This on the basis that Henein had, five years ago, defended an innocent man.

    The Board’s spokesperson did not explain how it is that its Superintendent of Education and equity department felt empowered to act as they did. Nor did he explain what disciplinary action would be be taken against them for the breach of procedure which resulted in the destruction of the credibility of the Board.

    So yes, the Board did back down. Marie Henein had them dead to rights when she said: “There are words for this. Misunderstanding is not one of them,”

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