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The religious freedom bill is just a license to hate.

December 15, 2021

The religious discrimination bill has nothing to do with protecting so-called ‘religious freedoms.’

It’s about allowing god-botherers free rein to hate on people they just don’t like.

And by the way, we’ll collect 10% of your income along the way so that you too enjoy the sheer sanctimonious self-serving pleasure of loudly hating on others too. Gay people, trans, foreigners, women.

Few minority groups are beyond persecution.

Sadly however, many in these vulnerable groups are statistically far higher to self harm and suicide than their less marginalised peers.

But let’s not allow the consequences of the god-botherers’ actions to meddle with their consciences.

After all, that’s their job.




137 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2021 10:49 am

    I’m truly beginning to think I should become a Pastafarian, just so I can get me hates out.

    Not that I think Pastafarian has much inbuilt scope for hate, unlike some other made up social conformonisms

    “This bill effectively protects religiously framed speech and religiously defined practices that discriminate and potentially cause harm.”

    https://theconversation.com/new-religious-discrimination-bill-will-cause-damage-to-australian-society-that-will-be-difficult-to-heal-172303

  2. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2021 12:00 pm

    It is the Cancel Culture Cunts and the rest of the Woke mob who are the main practitioners of the ‘sheer sanctimonious self-serving pleasure of loudly hating on others’. Say a word out of place and the stupid mongrels will come for you, harass you, bully you on twitter, get you sacked and destroy your reputation and career.

  3. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2021 12:07 pm

    Religious fuckwits get the kick up the arse they so richly deserve:

  4. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2021 12:25 pm

    Say a word out of place and the stupid mongrels will come for you, harass you, bully you on twitter, get you sacked and destroy your reputation and career.

    Yea, right. These are the same cancellers who ran a woman out of the cuntry because she had the temerity to remind us of our actions on Anzac day

  5. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2021 12:57 pm

    Even Leigh Sales gets it:

    “Let’s not duck the common thread here — it is overwhelmingly left-leaning Twitter users who are targeting ABC journalists for abuse.”

  6. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2021 1:42 pm

    Even Leigh Sales gets it

    I’m still trying to work out if this is sarcasm?

  7. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2021 1:49 pm

    “I’m still trying to work out if this is sarcasm?”

    Perfect!

  8. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2021 2:35 pm

    Got me splats, hard to tell if you are being serious or not sometimes 😉

  9. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 16, 2021 3:06 pm

    It’s all good fun Tom R. Also hard to tell where the serious stops and the trolling starts with you.

  10. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 16, 2021 3:53 pm

    The Australian today is calling for the Australian Federal Police to come
    after me for daring to criticise a Liberal politician.

    Wrong. Jordies was stalking a Liberal politician

    Plus i don’t get the point of the insert.

  11. Tom R permalink
    December 16, 2021 4:26 pm

    Wrong. Jordies was stalking a Liberal politician

    Careful, you’ll get cancelled for spreading such libel. If you are going to lie, don’t do it about someone who already has a large layer fund running (since he saved so much from bruz) 😉

  12. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 17, 2021 8:43 am

  13. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 17, 2021 9:13 am

    Another day, another CNN paedophile.

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 17, 2021 9:25 am

    It’s interesting that GetUp has about the same number of subscribers as Sky News.
    That’s (only) about 4% of the population. Where’s the campaign against the insidious propaganda published by Getup?

  15. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 17, 2021 9:44 am

    The Murdoch outlets are the only ones not marching in lockstep to loopy leftist narratives. Lefty loonies (Guardian, ABC, Fairfax free to air TV, Conversation, the Morry Schwartz moron mags etc.) hate it when Sky etc ignore their idiotically biased reporting and actually report facts which are unhelpful to the leftist narrative.

    The lefty lunatics can’t handle the truth which is why they try to shut Sky down. They don’t want to debate issues. They certainly don’t want to be called out for their incessant lying. They just want everyone else to shut up!

  16. Tom R permalink
    December 17, 2021 10:24 am

    Where’s the campaign against the insidious propaganda published by Getup?

    Perhaps they need a list of lies they’ve used as propaganda first. Perhaps you can kick it off?

    Here’s a template you can use 😉

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-17/fact-check-2021-misinformation-wrap/100706224

  17. Tom R permalink
    December 17, 2021 11:54 am

    An entertaining romp, but such a bitter sweet conclusion 😦

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1471617002359775235.html

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 17, 2021 11:59 am

    And I see that GetUp has more subscribers than The Herald Sun, Daily Telegraph and Australian combined!
    But to the left, it’s still BLAME THE MEDIA!!

  19. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 17, 2021 12:02 pm

    Let’s hope the murderous mongrel spends the rest of his life in prison. Guns don’t kill people, Alec Baldwin kills people.

  20. Tom R permalink
    December 17, 2021 12:31 pm

    But to the left, it’s still BLAME THE MEDIA!!

    You didn’t even look at that link, did you yomm, and the lies spread by THE MEDIA!! [facepalm]

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 17, 2021 1:38 pm

    There is just no opportunity for people to find alternative sources of information and express a contrary point of view!

  22. Tom R permalink
    December 17, 2021 1:43 pm

    There is just no opportunity for people to find alternative sources of information and express a contrary point of view!

    I think you mean ‘limited’ opportunity. Especially in the mass media landscape, where fruit loop theories are disseminated and, even worst, discussed as if they have a valid reason for existing

    Lies and innuendo permeate our lives. Yea, just like GetUp! does (lols)

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 17, 2021 3:50 pm

    “limited opportunity”
    Yeah, because things like Facebook and other social media have almost zero public support
    Hardly anyone has an opportunity to put their opinions out in the public domain.
    Everyone is manipulated by the 1 in 25 people that watch Sky News

  24. Tom R permalink
    December 17, 2021 4:10 pm

    Everyone is manipulated by the 1 in 25 people that watch Sky News

    and
    The Herald Sun,
    Daily Telegraph
    and Australian combined!
    and 9 entertainment with their flock of seagulls,
    and shock jocks,
    and palmers$50million facebook lies

    But yea, GetUp! is the problem here(who you still haven’t raised any issues over THEIR truthfulness about? Is that because they are the only ones I’ve mentioned who stick to the truth?)

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 17, 2021 6:50 pm

    Yeah, there’s only 16 million Facebook users in Australia and they have no opportunity to find independent news and just can’t express any views of their own!
    Blame the media!!! (execpt the biggest media company in Australia or the world)

  26. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 17, 2021 7:08 pm

    My understanding is that Murdoch gets the majority of newspaper sales. Not his fault because nobody has to buy them. Not his fault that few people purchase Green Left Weekly.

    Other than newspapers Murdoch does not have a majority of the media.

    Fact is people like TomR are natural totalitarians and want to ban dissent

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    December 17, 2021 7:56 pm

    Fact is people like TomR are natural totalitarians and want to ban dissent

    Glad I read every comment above … and finally found the “gem” … Eureka!

    LOL! Praise be for LOL! Made my day, Kneel … 😎

  28. Dianne permalink
    December 19, 2021 7:55 pm

    Tragically, a number of children died in Tasmania which prompted a visit from the PM (and his wife) who not only offered emotional support but financial assistance as well. Further, children also died tragically in Moreton Bay in a plane crash.

    Will Morrison (and his wife) engage in like behavior on this occasion? If not, then why not? Perhaps the money will come from the ‘unallocated’ funding basket?

    What is the guidelines (principles) behind such reactions? Or is it simply a matter of electoral timing? And location?

    Note that Albo can’t react in like manner – given he is now separated. So it’s likely that Jenny will play an even greater role in the coming contest.

  29. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 20, 2021 7:03 am

    In a rare display of testicular fortitude, the English captain batted on after this painful blow to has abdomen:

  30. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 20, 2021 8:45 am

    “Will Morrison (and his wife) engage in like behavior on this occasion?”

    Possibly – if their schedules permit 😉

    “Note that Albo can’t react in like manner”

    It doesn’t much matter what that nasty brothel-creeping idiot does. He is so unlovely he has no chance. In fact Morrison is probably doing stupid stuff in the hope that the ALP won’t bother ridding themselves of Each Way Albo and give themselves a fighting chance..

  31. Dianne permalink
    December 20, 2021 10:06 am

    Yes the list is out and about. As always, about one-third of companies pay no tax here in Australia.

  32. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 20, 2021 10:47 am

    Yes the list is out and about. As always, about one-third of companies pay no tax here in Australia.

    If this is true why doesn’t the tax office do something??

  33. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 20, 2021 10:57 am

    West is an idiot. West says he knows that trusts don’t pay tax and, because he is an idiot, he thinks that is a problem. The reason is that unit holders pay the tax. Maybe Sydney Airport didn’t pay tax last year, but there was a commercial reason for the Airport business being slow last year. It’s just that Dumbo West can’t think of it so he names and shames anyway.

    West’s ignorant screed doesn’t help his cause. His juvenile arguments are too easy to dismiss as empty rhetoric. If he actually had any intelligent suggestions about the way tax is collected in Australia, I’m sure the government would be all ears.

  34. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2021 12:34 pm

    His juvenile arguments are too easy to dismiss as empty rhetoric.

    Obviously why picked on Sydney Aipport and not Exxon or newscorpse, who haven’t (allegedly) made a ‘profit’ in this cuntry for 7 years

    What happened to the airport before Covid struck?

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2021 12:58 pm

    Does the left propose to tax business turnover rather than profit?

  36. Dianne permalink
    December 20, 2021 1:22 pm

    Dear oh dear the apologists for tax dodgers are here, there and everywhere. But here’s the list for those who might choose to be informed..

    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/revealed-australias-top-40-tax-dodgers-for-2021/

    Lifetime Achievement Award: Rupert Murdoch’s News Australia Holdings racked up $16bn income but paid zero tax over six years even on the $246m they declared in taxable income.

    Best Original Story: Uber Australia. These shysters appear to have paid tax for first time in 2020, a teeny bit. They continue to claim they they don’t have employees or contractors, only “partners” (the poor sod driving down the highway on a moped in the rain to deliver a pizza for $10)

    How very UnAustralian! Why do they hate the less privileged?

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2021 1:38 pm

    So do you wish to tax turnover?

  38. Dianne permalink
    December 20, 2021 1:46 pm

    Tom – only simple people seek simple solutions.

    First step in any process is to define the problem.

    And if you don’t think there’s problem re tax dodging, there’s a problem right there.

    Agree or not?

  39. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2021 2:23 pm

    yomm is simple Dianne, so he tries to keep it simple. But he refuses to acknowledge the numerous loopholes and uneven playing fields created by our politicians that allow corporations to hide their profits. And, after a decade, they can do it with impunity. The first thing hockey did when he got into power was gut the ATO of all it’s corporate experts. Guess where they ended up

    Fairfax Media has been in contact with a number of former top people from the Australian Taxation Office. They are extremely concerned at the gutting of the ATO, its failure of transparency – which suits the big tax dodgers down to the ground – and a recent change in approach which favours chin-wagging over litigating.

    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/g20-a-pretext-for-inaction-on-tax-avoidance/

  40. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 20, 2021 2:59 pm

    What happened to the airport before Covid struck?

    The unit-holders paid tax.

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 20, 2021 3:02 pm

    Lefties were saying that Apple Computers were avoiding tax on their enormous sales in Australia. The ATO did an extensive audit and found no tax dodging

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2021 3:09 pm

    The preferred approach of the left is to complain about a problem, and tell everyone else to figure out a solution

  43. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 20, 2021 3:22 pm

    Trouble with companies like Apple Computers is that they don’t make computers here. The are just an import company like Harvey Norman.

    Gerry Harvey buys stuff from China, marks up the price to cover costs and pays tax on the profits. Apple computers does the same on their billions of dollars of sales in Australia.

    Lefties see all the computer sales but are too stupid to work out why APPLE computers is paying the correct amount of company tax.

    Lefties want tax to be paid on revenue not profit

  44. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 20, 2021 3:22 pm

    “And if you don’t think there’s problem re tax dodging, there’s a problem right there.”

    If there is a problem, it is either the laws or the administration of them or both. Anyone with knowledge of those matters might be in a position to critique the current system and improve it. There is a wealth of information on the ATO website as regards both of those topics. West is happy to cite it when it suits him but he really doesn’t have any substantive suggestions. The right of taxpayers to keep their affairs secret is probably reasonable given that the amount of tax large taxpayers pay is publicised.

    What West does not do is examine the relevant laws in detail and the ATO’s administration of those laws and then suggest improvements. He is clueless about tax policy yet that is what he is most passionate about – a recipe for harming your own cause.

    He is a dumber slimier version of Shanghai Sam Dastyari.

    I don’t disagree that many corporations actively minimise the tax they pay, particularly the woke virtue-signalling tech giants. In a virtual world it is too easy to move profits around. To counter this we have the General anti-avoidance rules of Part IVA and more recently the multinational anti-avoidance law or MAAL and the diverted profits tax and other specifically targeted rules. We have real-time audits and other measures to to categorise taxpayers based on their “form”. My point is that West should get in the trenches, learn his stuff and make a real contribution rather than just keep bellowing inconsequentially from the sidelines.

  45. Dianne permalink
    December 20, 2021 3:26 pm

    The preferred approach of the right is not see any problem and tell all others to look over there .

    Did you know – If you earn $56,000 a year as a PAYG taxpayer, you can expect to pay 15.2% tax on that income. Yet, US oil major Exxon has sold a staggering $56 billion worth of oil and gas – drilled from seabeds around Australia – and paid not one red cent in tax on that income in six years.

    And yet the apologists are in plague proportions. How very UnAustralian.

  46. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 20, 2021 3:40 pm

    “If you earn $56,000 a year as a PAYG taxpayer, you can expect to pay 15.2% tax on that income. Yet, US oil major Exxon has sold a staggering $56 billion worth of oil and gas – drilled from seabeds around Australia – and paid not one red cent in tax on that income in six years.”

    This statement is just plug stupid. It doesn’t mean anything.

    Dianne, I don’t disagree that some large taxpayers aggressively seek to limit the tax they pay. My problem is with stupid statements like the one above. What you pay tax on, in both cases, is taxable income. You do get that, right?

  47. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2021 3:41 pm

    If there is a problem, it is either the laws or the administration of them or both.

    Slowly, slowly, catchee monkee

    Yes, the laws are setup so profits can be easily hidden
    Yes, the Administration has been gutted, as the link above showed

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 20, 2021 3:48 pm

    Yet, US oil major Exxon has sold a staggering $56 billion worth of oil and gas –

    I guess it is unlikely but if Exxon has spent $56B drilling for that oil and gas, no tax should be paid

    Companies pay tax on profits not revenue.

    People like West said the same thing about APPLE computers and after an ATO audit over many years no tax avoidance was found

  49. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2021 3:49 pm

    What you pay tax on, in both cases, is taxable income

    But what you can dodge is vastly different. And, they go after payg far harder than corporations (back to my link)

  50. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 20, 2021 4:19 pm

    “Yes, the laws are setup so profits can be easily hidden”

    No! Have you even read them? Or at least the anti-avoidance provisions I mentioned above?

    “But what you can dodge is vastly different.”

    How so?

    “they go after payg far harder than corporations”

    This is true. They know ordinary taxpayers do not have the resources to run a tax cases and their is a committed cadre of apparatchiks in the ATO who thing small taxpayers, personal and business, are tax cheats and treat them accordingly. They often seem to be more reasonable with large corporates as they know that litigation is costly.

    The ATO divides corporates into risk categories and treats them accordingly. It is quite rational really.

    There are of course, hardcore leftist functionaries among tax officers and former officers. For these people every settlement is a sell-out. You often see news stories leaked by these crims. The stories are designed to derail prospective settlements. They often cost the ATO more money if it gives into the pressure to litigate cases where the outcome is far from certain and then loses.

  51. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 20, 2021 4:20 pm

    What you pay tax on, in both cases, is taxable income. You do get that, right?

    Nope, lefties do not get that. You would have more success arguing with a brick wall

  52. December 20, 2021 4:36 pm

    As an individual who has become (at birth agnostic, by default) incrementally more atheist as life has demonstrated the abundant ridiculousness of fable worship and its obviously human-centric constructs, I watch this ‘religious discrimination bill’ with heightened cynicism.

    The true devil will be in the detail, not the literal devil.

  53. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2021 4:56 pm

    The true devil will be in the detail, not the literal devil.

    No, they’re literally pushing the bill

  54. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2021 5:04 pm

    No! Have you even read them?

    So,this is all incorrect?

    There has been a trend in recent years away from “general purpose” reports towards the skimpy “special purpose” type.

    It is already within the present legal framework for the regulator to insist that all companies over a certain size – say $1 billion in revenues – file full “general purpose” accounts. They could do this tomorrow and the upshot would be billions in extra tax.

    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/corporate-tax-avoidance-could-become-a-whole-lot-easier/

  55. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 20, 2021 5:05 pm

    There is already too much anti-discrimination legislation without adding more.

  56. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 20, 2021 5:38 pm

    “So, this is all incorrect?”

    I was talking abut the tax avoidance measures targeting multinationals. ASIC’s reporting requirements are a different matter. I don’t have a particular beef with general purpose accounts. In fact I think it is healthy that large businesses provide public accounts.

    But as far as the ATO enforcing the tax law it is largely irrelevant. West says that forced disclosure would promote corporations to pay more tax. I don’t see that as a realistic prospect at all. After all we already know how much tax these entities pay so what else is to be gained on that front?

    Why not just make large entities publish their tax returns? If that was enforced across the board it might be feasible. But again, I don’t see how that would make them pay more tax.

  57. December 20, 2021 5:55 pm

    I tend to err on the side of ‘let’s not all litigate eachother because we got offended’, while recognising that some groups are inherently subject to marginalisation and discrimination…with large religious populations not being amongst those groups; even when they feel like they’re being mocked or forced to accomodate ‘icky stuff’ that they’ve long been able to scoff at.

    But yes, as a rule, the less regulation of thoughts and feelings the better?

  58. December 20, 2021 5:56 pm

    *accommodate

  59. December 20, 2021 6:03 pm

    “No, they’re literally pushing the bill”

    I think we’re both saying the same thing, but I was demonstrating my contempt for the concept of a literal Satan/devil/whatever-people-want-to-oversimplify-their-own-concept-of-evil-into…literally.

    I’m a bit of a sneering cnut when it comes to fables being wielded.

    I’ve read enough about the bill since it’s nurturing, to not like what I’m reading. It’s a sop for certain sectors and traditional prejudices, targetting a certain voting demographic, unsurprisingly.

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    December 20, 2021 7:23 pm

    Hey! toylet … Merry Christmas to you and yours …

    Right wing politics = right wing religion … power money control, or, control power money

    Left wing politics = communism = diktat … Russia (still) follows one … China another …

    socialism … ensuring those in need are cared for … and the opportunity to improve yourself by yourself … easily achieved in properly managed democratic/capitalist society … of which there is not one in the world …

    Dictatorships are … one man’s dreams built on other people’s nightmares …

    My favourite quote: “History Doesn’t Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes” – Mark Twain.

    Too much religion in politics … what happened to the separation of church and states …

    Bernard Cornwall captures the “development** of christianity” really well from before the first millenia to the American Civil War …

    And history continues to “rhyme” …

    ** political meddling

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    December 20, 2021 7:24 pm

    Can anyone name a “modern” female dictator?

  62. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2021 8:01 pm

    I’m a bit of a sneering cnut when it comes to fables being wielded.

    Yea, but I love the imagery 🙂

  63. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2021 8:45 pm

    But again, I don’t see how that would make them pay more tax.

    The Senate Economics Committee’s final report, Much Heat, Little Light So Far thought it would

    Recommendation 3
    The ATO transparency data threshold should be lowered to capture companies with a total income
    $100 million or more. This makes sense, the more transparency the better. According to Tax Office sources, transparency, rising public awareness and and therefore greater corporate accountability have led to more responsible behaviour by large companies on the tax front, ergo increasing tax receipts in the hundreds of millions.

    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/senate-less-debt-loading-much-more-disclosure-and-tighten-that-prrt/

  64. Tony permalink
    December 20, 2021 9:06 pm

    I haven’t read any of the bills you’re discussing, but can assure youse all that any legislation “anti” something is actually anti-freedom. That is all.

  65. Tom R permalink
    December 20, 2021 9:26 pm

    but can assure youse all that any legislation “anti” something is actually anti-freedom.

    This is true.

    But, we are not free to punch people in the face at random, no matter how much they deserve it, so where do we stop?

  66. ivi permalink
    December 20, 2021 10:27 pm

    (….so where do we stop?

    First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin (or vice versa)?)

  67. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 21, 2021 7:49 am

    “where do we stop?

    Your freedoms stop where the other person’s begin.

  68. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 21, 2021 8:34 am

    The truth is slowly coming out:

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 21, 2021 1:28 pm

    Told you so…
    The (independent!!??) Voices for Kooyong candidate has been identified as a longstanding member of the ALP
    How completely unsurprising

  70. December 21, 2021 2:57 pm

    “The preferred approach of the left is to complain about a problem, and tell everyone else to figure out a solution.”

    Adam Bandt being a prime example. Such a waste of space.

  71. Tom R permalink
    December 21, 2021 3:11 pm

    lol yomm

    She’s been forced to admit she’d been a Labor Party member for three years – only leaving in 2010.

    FORCED! (ie, they asked her)

    “longstanding member” … 3 years?

    My member stands longer than that ffs

    Such a waste of space.

    Not for the libs he aint, he’s trashing the greens brand badly

  72. Tom R permalink
    December 21, 2021 3:32 pm

    #NotAllChurches

    The Uniting Church in Australia is concerned that the revised Religious Discrimination Bill 2021 introduced to Parliament this week does not achieve the balance needed to protect the rights of all people.

    https://uniting.church/religious-discrimination-bill-must-protect-all-people/

  73. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 21, 2021 3:41 pm

    Someone goes to the trouble of joining the ALP, then repeatedly renews their annual membership, but when discussing the way they “share the values of Kooyong” they discuss their membership of a hockey club!
    But not their commitment to the ALP!
    Nice transparency

  74. Tom R permalink
    December 21, 2021 4:33 pm

    3 times yomm. Clutch those pearls tighter dude 😆

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 21, 2021 5:05 pm

    No, as I said, she used her hockey club as the way she “reflects the values of Kooyong”
    As if this is a better indicator of political allegiance than membership of the ALP,!
    She says she was “briefly” a member … 3 years is “briefly”?
    You become a member, and then renew and then renew…
    I’ll try that with Fifi- it was only a brief fling, nothing more than a brief flirtation, a mere 3 years.

  76. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 21, 2021 6:00 pm

    “The preferred approach of the left is to complain about a problem, and tell everyone else to figure out a solution.”

    Actually “the left” does have a solution to every problem. More taxation. Tax the multinationals. Tax the avoiders. Tax more and we would have paradise.

  77. Tom R permalink
    December 21, 2021 7:09 pm

    Party membership for the deep throats only yomm?

  78. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 21, 2021 8:10 pm

    TomR

    What is your point?? I thought lefties like taxation. The more the better.

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2021 8:20 pm

    Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 21, 2021 5:05 pm

    You are aware of Winston Churchill’s political “wavering”?

    Note – the Liberal Party in Australia would really combine easily with the Conservative Party in the UK … the Liberal Party in the UK is probably closer to the UK Labour* Party than the Conservatives …

    How lucky to grow up with parents who were one a (Aus) Liberal supporter and ‘tother a Labour/Labor supporter …

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2021 8:21 pm

    What is your point?? I thought lefties like taxation. The more the better.

    You’ve never run a small business …

  81. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 21, 2021 8:27 pm

    You’ve never run a small business

    What?? My point was i have never heard a Conservative govt say we need more taxes. But i hear all the time from lefties that we need more taxation to solve all our problems

  82. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2021 1:52 pm

    But i hear all the time from lefties that we need more taxation to solve all our problems

    Then you listen poorly. I hear that we need to tax in order to fund services correctly, but that taxes should be progressive, not regressive, like the gst. And I hear the most that super rich clubs and businesses should be at the end of the line for ‘welfare’

    Yet the libs say they want lower taxes, and run scare campaigns EVERY election about Labors BIG TAXING and wasteful policies, but the facts show that the libs themselves are the biggest taxing governments, and also the most wasteful

    But I fear that this will be too complicated for your head to grasp, because murdoch told you otherwise.

  83. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2021 1:53 pm

    On a related topic

  84. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 22, 2021 2:32 pm

    but the facts show that the libs themselves are the biggest taxing governments, and also the most wasteful

    Then why were the Costello tax cuts condemned??

    BTW your comment is just deceit. Facts show that ALP supporters mislead people and twist numbers to get the “”FACTS”” they want.

    Howard/Costello were not the highest taxing govt as i have heard many times.

  85. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2021 2:57 pm

    Then why were the Costello tax cuts condemned?

    Structural deficit (he says, again and again)

    and twist numbers to get the “”FACTS”” they want.

    How did that well known lefty outfit RMIT twist the numbers?

  86. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 22, 2021 3:08 pm

    How did that well known lefty outfit RMIT twist the numbers?

    Unless there are massive changes to govt spending or taxation the tax/GDP ratio reflects the health of the economy.

    Taxation revenue increased under Howard because unemployment went from 8% to 4% meaning more workers were paying tax. Plus companies were making profits meaning more company tax.

    If you look at the tax/GDP graph it fell under Keating and Rudd because taxation revenue fell because of recessions going on. The budget took a hit during the GFC and tax/GDP fell not because Rudd cut taxes but because taxation revenue fell because less people employed and companies making less or no taxable profit.

  87. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2021 4:46 pm

    So, not regressive taxes like the gst, as mentioned in the article. Or bracket creep, which means the average person is now paying far more than they used to? Then there is such genius as the google and netflix taxes and bank deposit tax. They are masters of hitting the little man

    There has been the biggest recession we have have had under this mob, and, and yet they still manage to to tax us more? Please explain?

  88. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 22, 2021 5:03 pm

    TomR

    Did tax/gdp fall under Rudd in 2009 because he cut taxes or because taxation revenue fell because of the GFC??

  89. Dianne permalink
    December 22, 2021 6:11 pm

    So Morrison urges personal responsibility . Yet he avers no change to the interval. That will be determined by the immunisation experts and no one else.

    At the same time he demands “We must have a common definition, right across the country, of what is a casual contact, and what are the implications of being a casual contact,” Mr Morrison said.

    “We cannot have different rules in different places.

    Is this Morrison taking his own personal responsibility ? Or just another “Gish Gallop”?

  90. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2021 7:18 pm

    Did tax/gdp fall under Rudd in 2009 because he cut taxes

    Hard to say, hard to say, oh wait … what?

    “Then why were the Costello tax cuts condemned?”

    Apparently, #JohnLovesToLick is a hashag now?

  91. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 22, 2021 7:44 pm

    TomR

    I got this from your ABC link.

    Brendan Coates, director of the Grattan Institute’s economic policy program, also said tax-to-GDP was affected by factors generally outside the control of the federal government.

    “We saw this during the later years of the Howard government during the mining boom where the total federal tax take, as a share of the economy, really spiked due to a surge in corporate profits from high commodity prices,” he said

    Get it??

    Under Howard tax take spiked due to profits from the mining boom. Not because he increased taxes.

  92. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2021 10:18 pm

    during the later years ….

    Considering he was in for over a decade, how does that explain the long term?

    I also recall you posting up lots of links about how the mining boom happened under Rudd and the GFC? It’s all very confusing for the slower ones, isn’t it?

  93. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 23, 2021 2:16 am

    Considering he was in for over a decade, how does that explain the long term?

    Unemployment went from 8% to 4% under Howard so he got extra tax revenue from all the extra workers paying income tax. Unemployment averaged 8% under Hawke/Keating. Plus extra revenue from the mining boom which started in 2004.

    I also recall you posting up lots of links about how the mining boom happened under Rudd and the GFC?

    Correct.

    But i guess revenue dropped from the share market crash during the GFC.

    Tax/GDP reflects health of the economy. Tax revenue rises in good times and falls during bad times

  94. December 23, 2021 8:41 am

    “Is this Morrison taking his own personal responsibility ?”

    He’s just making it up as he goes along. He’s a moron.

  95. December 23, 2021 8:42 am

    Morrison says after Christmas, he’ll take a break.

    All of Australia asks…from what?

  96. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 23, 2021 9:26 am

    No surprise that Running Dog Bob is a good and loyal servant of the CCP. But I want to know more about “Winky”:

    Former foreign minister Bob Carr has defended his decision to speak at a seminar organised by Chinese-Australian billionaire Chau Chak Wing that was attended by Xi Jinping.

    Dr Chau, who was named in parliament as a Chinese Communist Party influencer and conspirator in a UN bribery scandal, hosted his Imperial Springs Forum in Guangzhou this month.

    Mr Carr, employed Dr Chau’s daughter Winky when he was NSW premier,

  97. December 23, 2021 9:42 am

    “So far we have not seen a rise in hospitalisations” – Paul Kelly

    NSW hospitalisations are up 90% in the past week.

  98. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 23, 2021 9:52 am

    Vic had more cases than NSW yesterday and ten times the number of deaths.

    Stats can tell many stories.

  99. December 23, 2021 10:03 am

    5715 in NSW today, an increase of almost 2000 since Wednesday.

    I’ll wait for youse to tell me how this is all Dan Andrews’ fault.

  100. December 23, 2021 10:13 am

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  101. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 23, 2021 11:22 am

    “I’ll wait for youse to tell me how this is all Dan Andrews’ fault.”

    I didn’t say it was Dan’s fault at all. I’m just interested in the way this is panning out.

    When I said Vic has higher cases I meant hospitalisations (398 vs 347)

    “5,715 in NSW today, an increase of almost 2000 since Wednesday”

    Yes, its going through the roof. So why is Victoria higher in deaths and hospitalisations? Maybe there are different strains?

    I would expect NSW ICU and death stats to lag the surge in cases and so show up in next week’s stats.

    Perrottet has taken different course to other Premiers and will be judged accordingly. If NSW deaths spike the same way cases have we will probably have a new Premier in the new year.

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 23, 2021 1:42 pm

    Did any other premier-
    * make such sanctimonious speeches
    * say you can die from golf
    * lead a government facing 58 charges
    * set a world record for the longest lockdown
    * oversee the state capital losing its most livable city in the world title
    * blame Jennifer (following blaming Jane)
    * “I don’t remember”
    Thanks Dan

  103. Tom R permalink
    December 23, 2021 2:01 pm

    I see yomm is still willfully telling lies. Our own little maga 🙂

    I’m just interested in the way this is panning out.

    If it keeps going this way, NSW is in for a terrible New Year (and SA not far behind, thanks marshall you toadie assshole)

  104. Tom R permalink
    December 23, 2021 2:28 pm

    Unemployment went from 8% to 4% under Howard so he got extra tax revenue from all the extra workers paying income tax.

    Employed numbers are low number of the population, and a small change in that percentage will not modify much, especially when you take into account the average hours worked fell, which we see even more amplified now. (which I note you cannot explain)

    It’s shattering when your alleged ‘better economic managers” just turn out to b grifters, isn’t it?

  105. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 23, 2021 2:37 pm

    TomR

    Tax revenue increases during good times and falls during bad times. Tax/GDP went up under Howard because the economy was booming. Tax revenue fell during the GFC hence tax/GDP fell under Rudd/ALP because of the GFC. Nothing to do with how much a govt taxes.

    Brendan Coates, director of the Grattan Institute’s economic policy program, also said tax-to-GDP was affected by factors generally outside the control of the federal government.

    “We saw this during the later years of the Howard government during the mining boom where the total federal tax take, as a share of the economy, really spiked due to a surge in corporate profits from high commodity prices,” he said

  106. December 23, 2021 3:38 pm

    Perrottet does a pirouette.

    Masks now mandatory in NSW….

    Anyone would think they’re just making it up as they go along.

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 23, 2021 4:29 pm

    Really Tom R? Do you mean… We’re the most livable city in the world? Or Dan didn’t say “I don’t remember”? Or the government isn’t facing 58 charges?… Or Dan didn’t blame Jennifer (or Jane)???

  108. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 23, 2021 4:32 pm

    “Perrottet does a pirouette.”

    He’s a pretty young thing!

  109. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 23, 2021 4:59 pm

    Masks now mandatory in NSW….

    Anyone would think they’re just making it up as they go along.

    I suspect the health bureaucrats got to him.

  110. Dianne permalink
    December 23, 2021 5:56 pm

    I suspect that someone did some polling.

  111. Tom R permalink
    December 23, 2021 7:10 pm

    I suspect that someone did some polling.

    BINGO 😉

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    December 23, 2021 7:22 pm

    He’s a pretty young thing!

    And another true believer … Praise the lord!

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    I suspect that someone did some polling.

    C’mon! That’s the only thing that’s “safe” these days …

    If only Gladys were running the show! Hey?

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    December 23, 2021 7:23 pm

    I suspect the health bureaucrats got to him.

    I think you meant …

    I suspect the health bureaucrats advised him.

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    December 23, 2021 7:24 pm

    It’s shattering when your alleged ‘better economic managers” just turn out to b grifters, isn’t it?

    Nay! ’tis a bloody “releaveation” that’s wot it is … LOL!

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    December 23, 2021 7:26 pm

    I’ll wait for youse to tell me how this is all Dan Andrews’ fault.

    See wot ‘appens when ‘e goeas on’t ‘oliday … disasta …

  116. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 23, 2021 8:14 pm

    I think you meant …

    I suspect the health bureaucrats advised him.

    Most probably threatened him by saying if you don’t do what we say we will tell the ABC

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  118. December 24, 2021 12:24 pm

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  119. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 24, 2021 4:15 pm

    Merry Christmas to all Guttertrash friends! And even the ones that aren’t so friendly!

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2021 7:54 pm

    Merry Christmas to all Guttertrash friends! And even the ones that aren’t so friendly!

    Guttertrash Friends indeed, ToM! Been a long time, mate.

    A Lovely Christmas to You and Yours!

    Wear yer mask, QR code, wash yer hands and stay off the streets … and dream of Queensland! 🎅

  121. December 25, 2021 12:42 pm

    Happy Christmas everybodies!

  122. Tom R permalink
    December 25, 2021 4:18 pm

    Happy Xmas to youse all, even those who won’t believe this.

  123. ivi permalink
    December 25, 2021 11:29 pm

    (Yeah, whatever, ditto.)

  124. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 26, 2021 1:58 pm

    Merry Christmas:

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    December 26, 2021 8:05 pm

    lo-o-o-o-ong stretch from Greek mythos to Iron Maiden … but that’s ivi …

    Then that odd black n white Pogues rendition from, splats, based on Bound for South Australia … ???

    ha well … in the spirit of the above!

  126. Tom R permalink
    December 26, 2021 11:53 pm

    lo-o-o-o-ong stretch from Greek mythos to Iron Maiden

    Well, maybe not THAT far 😉

    But yea, Ditto ivi 🙂

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2021 5:28 pm

    Ooooo so predictable, TR! 😊

  128. Tom R permalink
    December 27, 2021 11:01 pm

    Ooooo so predictable

    Helps when you got a great ‘wing’man 😉

  129. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 28, 2021 1:51 pm

    The Pogues do a great version of South Australia:

  130. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 28, 2021 1:52 pm

    And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda:

  131. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 28, 2021 1:56 pm

    And Ewan McColl’s Dirty old Town being about Salford which is up your way TB?

  132. December 29, 2021 9:31 am

    11,000 new cases in NSW today.

    How did Dan Andrews allow this to happen..??

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    December 29, 2021 12:37 pm

    Helps when you got a great ‘wing’man

    Chuckle!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    No Salford in Queensland, lad … only one I know is near Manchester … my son in law graduated from there last year, Masters in Engineering.

    ‘Tis over ‘t Pennines from my birthplace tho’ 😉… they played wi’ cotton … our lot played wi’ wool …

    An’ don’t forget ‘t War a’ Roses … their lot’s red … my lot’s white … altho’ these days I prefer Maroon!

    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-was-the-war-of-the-roses.html

    😎

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    How did Dan Andrews allow this to happen..??

    SICKSACK DAN!

    Now he wants Anna to stop carriers of a deadly disease from being tested in Queensland … if only Golden Gladys hadn’t been sacked by the ICAC no-one would be sick in the country!

    BRING BACK GLAD! And make people well again!

    And where the fk is Scotty? Hawaii, I suppose? Or China … ahhh … No 10 Downing Street

  134. Dianne permalink
    December 29, 2021 12:47 pm

    Because Dan moves in mysterious ways,
    His wonders to perform;
    He plants his footsteps in the sea,
    And rides upon the storm.

    Deep in unfathomable mines
    Of never failing skill;
    He treasures up his bright designs,
    And works His sovereign will

    Guess ‘outsourcing’ personal responsibility has its problems.

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    December 29, 2021 8:04 pm

    Why my country should never become the 51st state!

    … her life was cut short two days before Christmas, when a Los Angeles police officer opened fire at a man inside a department store, and in the process fatally shot the young girl.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/28/valentina-orellana-peralta-teen-killed-lapd-burlington

    Just what training do these cops have? A department store? Three shots?

    And the underlying problem … the US of A’s obsession with PROFIT not PEOPLE!

    Anyone else get fed up with Yankee movies and TV Shows – Thank the Lord! O My God?

    The Lord is With Us … Praise the Lord No-one else Died …

    It’s like watching a Medieval Country … and the peasants are just fodder for plundering!

    And a reminder of who attempts to govern Australia in 2021! Our Webmaster’s photo above … be afraid – very afraid …

    VN was about religious (or not – think about it) belief … 521 ADF members died as a result of the war and over 3,000 were wounded … Nashos 200 died and more than 1,200 wounded — then came PTSD … thanks USA … again …

    Why our country should never become the 51st state!

  136. ivi permalink
    December 30, 2021 2:11 pm

    (Guess ‘outsourcing’ personal responsibility has its problems.

    Meh; a little bit of quasi-surreptitious teleology never Phase-D anyone.)

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