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EXCLUSIVE: What’s wrong with this Picture – George Christensen’s Wedding Shock Disgrace!

January 20, 2022

A LOT OF PEOPLE have been ridiculing this photo of George Christensen’s wedding on social media, which seems a bit uncharitable if you ask me, with one individual who shall remain nameless (yes it was you @killmebilly ) suggesting it’s like one of those “how many things can you find wrong with this picture?” cartoons.

Now I certainly wouldn’t want to encourage that sort of thing (heaven forbid), but it did get me thinking – what can you see that others might overlook…??

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  1. January 20, 2022 4:54 pm

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  2. TB Queensland permalink
    January 20, 2022 5:03 pm

    Is that blood on the cake? It looks like Georgie is poking at a brain? 🧔

  3. January 20, 2022 5:25 pm

    Love the new avatar TB…!!

    “Is that blood on the cake?”

    Someone suggested it looks like maple syrup, as does whatever they’re drinking in the glass over to the left..

    Who TF has a car parked on the lawn as a backdrop to their “cutting the cake” photo opp…??

  4. January 20, 2022 5:28 pm

    “C’mon darl, I said the GOOD paper plates…”

    😆 😆 😆

    @killmebilly

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    January 20, 2022 5:31 pm

    Ooops! The boss’l be furious!

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    January 20, 2022 5:33 pm

    Trouble is reb it will turn up all over the fkn internet!

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    January 20, 2022 5:52 pm

    “I like that finger best, Georgy ….”

    “Oh, do you?”

  8. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 20, 2022 6:11 pm

    Re -“Dangerous for children”
    It’s interesting…
    * 14 years old- firearms licence
    * 16 years old – aircraft licence
    * Year 10 (15 years old), join the armed forces

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    January 20, 2022 7:33 pm

    • 13 years old – underground mines

    • 12 year old – open cut mines

    • 11 year old – vegetable harvesting

    • 10 year – beach patrol

    • 9 year old – prawn boat deckhand

    • 8 year old – Prime Minister

    Acknowledgement, ToM, always the linkman … 😉 😎

  10. Tom R permalink
    January 20, 2022 9:31 pm

    Nice one Tankman 🙂

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 21, 2022 8:57 am

    Kids!!! Old enough to fly an aircraft, but too young to use a forklift

  12. Tom R permalink
    January 21, 2022 9:02 am

    Old enough to fly an aircraft

    A commercial licence?

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 21, 2022 9:08 am

    I thought you were concerned about safety and young people

  14. Tom R permalink
    January 21, 2022 9:11 am

    I reject the premise of the answer (not that is one)

  15. Tom R permalink
    January 21, 2022 9:16 am

    I thought you were concerned about safety and young people

    You understand that doing something for a hobby, is a little different than doing something for a living?

    Well, I would hope you do anyway

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    January 21, 2022 9:17 am

    Well, I would hope you do anyway

    Hope and prayers … hope and prayers …

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 21, 2022 9:18 am

    * Fly an aircraft
    * Own a gun
    * Join the armed forces

  18. Tom R permalink
    January 21, 2022 9:30 am

    Hope and prayers … hope and prayers …

    What was his occupation again???

    Says it all really 😉

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 21, 2022 10:07 am

    Operating a backhoe is apparently safe for a 16 year old child

  20. Tom R permalink
    January 21, 2022 10:25 am

    Operating a backhoe is apparently safe for a 16 year old child

    You obviously have evidence that shows it’s as safe for a forklift.

    Because the condemnation from the … ‘experts’ has been all against this.

    I will await that link in anticipation 😉

  21. Tom R permalink
    January 21, 2022 10:26 am

  22. January 21, 2022 10:38 am

    By YoM’s logic we should probably let children become lawyers and surgeons too. I’m sure with the right training they’d be perfectly capable.

    Why hasn’t anyone thought of this before…..?

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 21, 2022 10:41 am

    * Join the armed forces
    * Operate heavy machinery
    * Fly an aircraft
    * Obtain a firearms licence
    …all safe for children

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    January 21, 2022 10:42 am

    Morrison discovered the concept of “Create chaos and so that you can manage it …” he’s got the first bit right … its the second half he can’t master …

  25. Tom R permalink
    January 21, 2022 10:49 am

    …all safe for children

    Caveats apply ..

  26. Tom R permalink
    January 21, 2022 11:18 am

    It’s almost like they got a 16 year old to do it.

    Nah, 16 year olds are smarter than that. They just thought ‘teh’ economy will fix it 😦

    When governments ditched Covid health advice, people might have assumed there were carefully honed policies to handle the surge in cases. That is not what is being revealed

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/20/the-opposite-of-planning-how-australia-put-the-economy-before-health-of-the-nation

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    January 21, 2022 11:34 am

    Perhaps Scotty & Co think End of Days needs a helping hand …

  28. January 21, 2022 11:43 am

    So Dan put Victoria into extended lockdown which caused some perturbation among the locals. But based on crowd behavior at the tennis last night, it ended way, way too soon.

    How embarrassing.

    Note also re Novak – “An iconic world tennis star may influence people of all ages, young or old, but perhaps especially the young and the impressionable, to emulate him,” the court said.

    “This is not fanciful; it does not need evidence. It is the recognition of human behaviour from a modest familiarity with human experience.”

    A Court that “does not need evidence”. Dear oh dear. Then again perhaps members of the court attend the tennis.

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 21, 2022 11:53 am

    You seem to miss the point.
    The case was brought by Djokovic, therefore the onus of proof is with him.
    All the respondent (the government) has to do is advise why the decision was in accordance with legislation
    Game, set and match to the government
    Let’s hope Djokovic sues the government, so that his marketability can be further diminished

  30. Tom R permalink
    January 21, 2022 12:06 pm

    All the respondent (the government) has to do is advise why the decision was in accordance with legislation

    lol yomm. They kicked him out because the minister said he wanted him kicked out.

    That was the only legal basis. Not because he broke any laws.

    Even a bloody 16 year old would know that

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 21, 2022 12:14 pm

    Yes, and it was up to the lying anti vaxer to demonstrate that the decision was illegal or unreasonable. He didn’t and the only people who seem bothered are anti vaxers, conspiracy theorists and weird nutcases

  32. Tom R permalink
    January 21, 2022 12:26 pm

    Yes, and it was up to the lying anti vaxer to demonstrate that the decision was illegal or unreasonable.

    It’s a question of if you like living in a Danistan, a real one this time

    “Ms O’Sullivan said it did, however, raise an issue about the minister’s powers.

    She said the fact the minister was able to cancel someone’s visa on the basis they encouraged protest could have troubling implications for democracy and freedom of speech.”

  33. Tom R permalink
    January 21, 2022 12:34 pm

  34. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 21, 2022 12:46 pm

    It’s a question of if you like living in a Danistan, a real one this time
    Yes, I’ve noticed that Djokovic is the poster boy for freedumb lovers as as well as anti vaxer conspiracy theorist nutcases

  35. January 21, 2022 12:52 pm

    “Ridiculed even by his own side, Scott Morrison is Australia’s weakest PM
    If kids in forklifts is the best this PM can offer on the supply chain crisis, it’s no wonder even his own backbenchers are mocking him.”

    https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/01/21/morrison-australias-weakest-ever-pm/

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 21, 2022 1:21 pm

    So it’s not about safety?

  37. Tom R permalink
    January 21, 2022 1:40 pm

    So it’s not about safety?

    Dare I ask how you got there?

  38. Tom R permalink
    January 21, 2022 1:57 pm

    What a shitshow, all of it

    Stokes paying for smith, costello paying for the alleged rapist.

    Yea, everything’s cool with our media

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    January 21, 2022 4:14 pm

    ‘Just a new fossil fuel industry’: Australia to send first shipment of liquefied hydrogen to Japan

    The boofheads in Canberra running this shit show just.do.not.get.it!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/21/just-a-new-fossil-fuel-industry-australia-to-send-first-shipment-of-liquefied-hydrogen-to-japan

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    January 21, 2022 4:24 pm

    Who votes these lunatics into parliament? 😮

    Pauline Hanson says her party will campaign on a platform of demanding a royal commission into Australia’s Covid-19 response at the upcoming federal election.

    Speaking at an online Christian anti-vaccine mandate event on Friday, the One Nation leader claimed Australians had been “lied to” about the number of people who had died during the pandemic.

    The third live “Prayers and Pushback” event featured a who’s who line-up of conservative commentators and anti-vaccine mandate politicians including Senator Hanson, ex-Liberal MP turned United Australia Party leader Craig Kelly and rogue Nationals MP George Christensen.

    The event was hosted by disgraced former Hillsong pastor and self-styled “millionaire coach” Pat Mesiti, who addressed his audience from the Gold Coast in front of a digital Australian flag backdrop.

    Senator Hanson, who has been an outspoken critic of vaccine mandates throughout the pandemic, revealed to Mr Mesiti some of her plans for the election.

    “I’m going to stand on a platform that I believe that we need a royal commission into Covid and the way it was handled, because if we have another pandemic we have to know the answers to this,” she said.

    My bold — speaking at a wot?????

    LINK

    https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/pauline-hanson-reveals-election-plans-at-online-antivaccine-mandate-event/news-story/5db49403876aae588ce6d11300330b58

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    January 21, 2022 7:51 pm

    Luv to hear our resident USofA Correspondent’s opinions of this: over to you, splats …

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/20/mitch-mcconnell-republican-black-voter-comments-outrage

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    January 21, 2022 8:07 pm

    Do these religious wankers believe that only they will be “saved” … if so, I’ve got some really, really bad news … your dog don’t give a shite!

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    January 21, 2022 8:08 pm

    I like it too reb … BTW regards V

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    January 21, 2022 8:15 pm

    Even our judiciary has become right wing … read this story below … was it really manslaughter (unintentional) or murder? Note: This was in Melbourne so it is full of violent accepting people …

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/crime-news/2022/01/21/dad-sentenced-for-manslaughter/

  45. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 22, 2022 3:48 pm

    TB, the Grauniad piece is a typical leftist beat-up, confecting outrage out of thin air. The Dems (and their lefty news lackeys) are having a tantrum because their legislation to institutionalise voter fraud failed. Cocaine Mitch is always entertaining.

  46. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 22, 2022 4:13 pm

    Even our judiciary has become right wing

    What?? This country is becoming more left-wing every day. What is right-wing about the current Coalition govt??

    Fact is you will not be happy until we have left wing socialism everywhere

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    January 22, 2022 4:36 pm

    What is right-wing about the current Coalition govt??

    😶 You wot? 😲

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    January 22, 2022 4:43 pm

    Cocaine Mitch … seller or user? Or both … 😳

    So do you think that there are Australians and Aboriginal Australians … ?

    Or, Australians and Migrant Australians?

    I like the idea of the fourth Monday (or Friday) in January for Australia Day … long weekend (fuck the date) …. 🦘

  49. January 22, 2022 6:03 pm

    Looks like Novak’s taken some revenge

    “Serbian authorities have abandoned plans to build a controversial lithium mine … have put an end to Rio Tinto in the Republic of Serbia …

    Share price fell more than 4%.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-21/serbia-backs-out-of-controversial-rio-tinto-lithium-mine/100771758

    The there’s the $6 million legal case. (Suppose it’s all Dan’s fault.)

  50. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 23, 2022 12:55 pm

    TB:

    “So do you think that there are Australians and Aboriginal Australians … ?

    Or, Australians and Migrant Australians?”

    Do you think there are sets and subsets?

    Have you never grasped the concept of comparing a sub-group to the whole population to see if there might be a need for remedial measures.

    Pointing out that an allegedly disadvantaged sub-group votes at the same rate as the whole population is a logical argument. Of course, dishonest partisan hacks will jump in and play the race card – scum of the earth, really.

    Do you remember when Biden said “poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids”?

  51. TB Queensland permalink
    January 23, 2022 7:32 pm

    TB, the Grauniad piece is a typical leftist beat-up, confecting outrage out of thin air.

    ————

    So do you think that there are Australians and Aboriginal Australians … ?

    Or, Australians and Migrant Australians?

    …………….

    Do you think there are sets and subsets?

    …………..

    Silly tactic, answer a question with a question … turn it back on the questioner … amateur … if you can’t answer why reply …

    TB, the Grauniad piece is a typical leftist beat-up, confecting outrage out of thin air. The Dems (and their lefty news lackeys) are having a tantrum because their legislation to institutionalise voter fraud failed. Cocaine Mitch is always entertaining.

    Racist insults are NOT entertaining … and, you, as a right wing Trump supporter you made it political … criticising the journalist for reporting what Mconnell actually said … and avoiding the real issue …

    The real point is that people like Mconnell believe the shite they spout … and people like you find it funny …

    BTW I’ve been one of the “subset” … as you so delicately define it …

    Note: I don’t give a flying fuck about US politics … but I do not want Australia to become the 51st state … pity we’re almost there …

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    January 23, 2022 7:36 pm

    What luck for the royals that next to the Tory party they look like paragons of virtue

    Stupid journalist … the Windsors ARE Tories … FFS!

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/23/what-luck-for-royals-next-to-the-tory-party-they-look-like-paragons-of-virtue

  53. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 24, 2022 9:23 am

    “Silly tactic, answer a question with a question … turn it back on the questioner … amateur … if you can’t answer why reply …”

    Dishonest tactic – ignore the answers I provided to your insinuations of racism. Here are the bits which refute your charges of racism and which you chose not to answer:

    Have you never grasped the concept of comparing a sub-group to the whole population to see if there might be a need for remedial measures.

    Pointing out that an allegedly disadvantaged sub-group votes at the same rate as the whole population is a logical argument. Of course, dishonest partisan hacks will jump in and play the race card – scum of the earth, really.

  54. Tom R permalink
    January 24, 2022 9:58 am

    “allegedly disadvantaged” 😯

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    January 24, 2022 10:08 am

    Have you never grasped the concept of …

    That’s a question … not an answer … and the following paragraph answers your own question …

    Now as for your attempting to shift Mconnel’s statement to be a left wing conspiracy … 😋

  56. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 24, 2022 10:16 am

    That was the allegation – African Americans need stronger laws to stop them being discriminated against at the polling place.

    But in fact, without these laws they do not appear to be disadvantaged at all as they vote at the same rate as the general population.

  57. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 24, 2022 10:18 am

    “the following paragraph answers your own question …”

    Yes it did. And it described you perfectly:

    “dishonest partisan hacks will jump in and play the race card – scum of the earth, really.”

  58. Tom R permalink
    January 24, 2022 10:18 am

    What a shit show

  59. ivi permalink
    January 24, 2022 10:45 am

    (Have you never grasped the concept of comparing a sub-group to the whole population to see if there might be a need for remedial measures.

    No?)

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    January 24, 2022 11:22 am

    Yes it did. And it described you perfectly:

    “dishonest partisan hacks will jump in and play the race card – scum of the earth, really.”

    projection refers to unconsciously taking unwanted emotions or traits you don’t like about yourself and attributing them to someone else.

  61. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 24, 2022 11:35 am

    Stupid journalist … the Windsors ARE Tories … FFS!

    Prince Charles sounds like a greenie to me.

  62. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 24, 2022 11:41 am

    Thank you for explaining your MO, TB you old projector:

    projection refers to unconsciously taking unwanted emotions or traits you don’t like about yourself and attributing them to someone else.”

  63. Tom R permalink
    January 24, 2022 11:49 am

    I think it needs to be rebranded as Splattermandering?

  64. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 24, 2022 12:05 pm

  65. Tom R permalink
    January 24, 2022 12:11 pm

    Bidens not the only one

  66. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 24, 2022 12:22 pm

    Gerrymandering is a bi-partisan sport in the US. The link lists some of the worst cases:

    “Maryland is the shamefaced owner of the single worst gerrymander in the nation. …..
    The district has been characterized by a federal judge as a “broken-winged pterodactyl lying prostrate across the state” …. And the narrow nature of most of the district — constructed to favor Democrats — makes it difficult for residents to know whether they are physically in the district or not.”

    And, meanwhile in Houston:

    “The 2nd District, held since the start of the year by Dan Crenshaw, is the result of extreme Republican gerrymandering in Texas. If the district were less oddly shaped and contorted it would actually be quite difficult for a Republican to win in this area.”

  67. Tom R permalink
    January 24, 2022 12:58 pm

    Nice ‘whataboutism’ going on there splattermandering

    Doesn’t really disprove anything though, does it?

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    January 24, 2022 1:53 pm

    Doesn’t really disprove anything …

    Oh, was that the intention? 😶

    Gerrymandering is a a pastime often played at by the LNP in Queensland …

    Especially in the (Country Party) Nationals’ “heydays” with JBP …

  69. January 24, 2022 2:25 pm

    Gerrymanding in QLD has a long history.

    “From 1910 to 1949, Queensland had a “one person, one vote, one value” electoral system, with a maximum variation of 30% from the Statewide average quota. But in 1949 the Labor Party conducted a revision which varied the number of voters in each electorate according to their size and distance from Brisbane

    … difficulties in transport and communication were given as the reasons to reduce the size of remote and thinly-populated electorates, the effect was to give a huge advantage to the Labor Party, which at that time drew its voting strength from rural areas, a consequence of the party’s formation in the outback Queensland town of Barcaldine

    … boundaries were drawn to take advantage of the ALP’s rural supporters (farm workers, miners etc.) the rural-based Country Party was able to take the most advantage from Labor’s infighting.”

    Labor, under Goss, had the opportunity to ‘fix’ it but, sadly, he squibbed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjelkemander#History

  70. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 24, 2022 3:26 pm

    Thanks MN.

    TB is wrong as usual.

    Gerrymandering is a a pastime often played at by the LNP in Queensland …

    Especially in the (Country Party) Nationals’ “heydays” with JBP …

    The gerrymander was started by the ALP back in the day when they had strong representation in country areas.

    It turned round to bite them in the bum when rural voters started voting for the Country Party

  71. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 24, 2022 3:42 pm

    Maybe MN and TB are both right.

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 24, 2022 4:27 pm

    Did anyone take any notice of the publicity blitz by the ARM regarding their “model” for an Australian head of state?
    What a complete debacle, an embarrassment and typical of any organisation that Fitzsimmons is involved with.

  73. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 24, 2022 4:57 pm

  74. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 24, 2022 4:58 pm

    Maybe MN and TB are both right.

    MN is right. This is what Joh Bjelke-Peterson said about Labors gerrymander from MNs link

    The newly elected Country Party MP for Nanango, Joh Bjelke-Petersen, spoke out against the redistribution, saying that it meant that “the majority will be ruled by the minority” and that the Labor government was telling the people “whether you like it or not, we will be the Government”.

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    January 24, 2022 5:35 pm

    This is what Joh Bjelke-Peterson said about Labors gerrymander from MNs link

    You’re ignorance is astounding, Kneel.

    But then you didn’t live in Queensland during JBP’s diktat … I met JBP on more than one occasion (through my employment) and was not impressed … a self centred, bigoted, autocrat … dictatorial in style and manner and obviously a template still used today by the LNP for cronyism, nepotism, corruption, deception and misdirection to a criminal level.

    The Crime and Corruption Commission was the only positive to come out of JBP’s reign …

  76. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 24, 2022 5:46 pm

    TB

    The fact is Labor started the gerrymander in 1949. Then later it started to favor the Nationals.
    But it did not favor the Coalition very often. It favored the Nationals over the Liberals. So the Libs got more votes but the Nationals got more seats.

    But the worst gerrymander was in the 2014 South Australia State election. The Liberals got 53% of the vote and lost. Normally 53% is a landslide victory. Labor won with 47% of the vote.

  77. reb permalink*
    January 24, 2022 8:50 pm

    This… ⬇️ https://t.co/FPfJiEQPKs— Oh dear god not this again… (@GutterTwits) January 24, 2022

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  78. January 24, 2022 8:50 pm

    Re – “… fact is Labor started the gerrymander in 1949”

    And you seem to think that choice to ‘gerrymander’ was reprehensible. Yes or No?

    Assuming it was reprehensible, what say you about those who went down the same path? Are they better or worse? Or just the same?

    What do you believe was the ‘right’ course of action? What do you think was the ‘good’ way to proceed? Should both political organisations be condemned?

  79. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 24, 2022 10:36 pm

    Assuming it was reprehensible, what say you about those who went
    down the same path? Are they better or worse? Or just the same?

    Well your link was clear that Labor started the gerrymander in Queensland.

    What do you think of Labor winning the 2014 South Australia election with only 47% of the vote?? The Liberals got 53% and lost.

  80. Tom R permalink
    January 25, 2022 9:29 am

    China’s Communist Party accused of influencing Australia’s Chinese-language media

    Nah, the dumb shit just didn’t pay his bills. Sounds on brand.

  81. Tom R permalink
    January 25, 2022 10:34 am

    Well, probably what a lazy population wants

    Then they look around going ‘well, how’d that turn to shit so quick?”

  82. Tom R permalink
    January 25, 2022 12:28 pm

    LAZIEST GRUBMINT EVA

  83. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 25, 2022 1:58 pm

    Still true:

    MolochMorrison is horrendous but somehow I don’t think Baalbenese will be much better.

  84. Tom R permalink
    January 25, 2022 2:06 pm

    I guess everyone’s is a pedophile to splattanon 😉

  85. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 25, 2022 2:32 pm

    Pedophilia seems to be a specialty of the ALP when it comes to our pollies, Tom R.

  86. Tom R permalink
    January 25, 2022 3:06 pm

    Pretty sure it’s not restricted to, but it also isn’t as permeated as you like to pretend

  87. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 25, 2022 3:10 pm

    “Pretty sure it’s not restricted to”

    Yeah. Last time I looked it wasn’t all ALP – there was one Green as well.

  88. reb permalink*
    January 25, 2022 3:21 pm

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  89. TB Queensland permalink
    January 25, 2022 4:05 pm

    No-one surpasses religious hypocrites for pedophilia* … suffer thy children to come unto me …

  90. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 25, 2022 5:08 pm

    I think ALP politicians might go close to surpassing them in frequency

  91. Tom R permalink
    January 25, 2022 5:15 pm

    Can’t win when they only care about respectability politics…

    R.E.S.P.E.C.T.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-06/shane-fitzsimmons,-gladys-berejiklian-and-scott-morrison-1/12125310?nw=0

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    January 25, 2022 11:09 pm

    I think ALP politicians might go close to surpassing them in frequency

    Liinnkk!

    I have one … based on a Royal Commission …

    WAITING! AGAIN!

  93. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 26, 2022 9:30 am

    I’m sure you can find the information TB, you know…google!
    I think the conservatives are more inclined to financial illegality, while the left has a higher rate of child molestation

  94. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    January 26, 2022 11:23 am

    “the left has a higher rate of child molestation”

    You’ve posted some crazy shit on this website over the years but that’s some next level bullshit.

  95. reb of Melbourne permalink
    January 26, 2022 11:44 am

    I’m not saying he has to smile, but if he can’t be polite, just don’t go. pic.twitter.com/OosnmpfHV1— Leonie (@propinqua) January 25, 2022

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  96. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2022 11:51 am

    I think the conservatives are more inclined to financial illegality, while the left has a higher rate of child molestation

    I THIMK you’re hoping no-one will ask for details about your “thinking” again.

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2022 11:55 am

    reb of Melbourne permalink
    January 26, 2022 11:44 am

    Is that photo when SloMo realised his his WeChat account had been hacked?

    Nah, he probably doesn’t know yet … he should ask Jenny to explain …

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 26, 2022 12:49 pm

    Hilarious!!
    Just ignore the facts
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_politicians_convicted_of_crimes

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2022 1:29 pm

    Just ignore the facts

    Now that wasn’t so hard was it …

    I’m actually surprised that the lists are not longer …

    Note: Didn’t check your claim tho’ … but a skim thru seems you may be correct … just shows arseholes are everywhere … but particularly in politics …

  100. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 26, 2022 1:32 pm

    I’ll wait for the full retraction when others have checked the facts

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2022 1:36 pm

    I did have some sympathy for changing AD 26th Jan (ie first Monday in Feb) … but I’m shifting my opinion … too much emphasis on the past that cannot be changed … no-one alive today was there … move on and be a bit more “constructive” …

    I suspect no date would be acceptable … and its become just another excuse to whinge and protest …

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2022 1:38 pm

    I’ll wait for the full retraction when others have checked the facts

    No retraction needed “seems you may be correct” duh!

    BTW you still owe me four poems … first …

  103. ivi permalink
    January 26, 2022 2:20 pm

    (… no-one alive today was there …

    I was (t)here, once, or twice, upon a time.)

  104. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    January 26, 2022 3:10 pm

    Meanwhile over in the UK…

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  105. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2022 4:25 pm

    Chortle!

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2022 4:26 pm

    Where? Yer dreamin’ … (to nick a famous Aussie phrase)

  107. Tom R permalink
    January 26, 2022 5:20 pm

    no-one alive today was there

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_Mourning_(Australia)

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2022 5:23 pm

    Aw, fk, TR!

    Next you’ll throw up (pun definitely intended!) Midnight fkn Oil Oi! Oi! Oi!

  109. ivi permalink
    January 26, 2022 6:38 pm

    (Oh, really, ‘an Aboriginal reserve‘?)

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2022 7:26 pm

    ivi … your point? You’re almost 100 years old? Congratulations. Respect.

    As Churchill (ugh!) once wrote … the victor writes the history …

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    January 26, 2022 7:41 pm

    Speaking of “society” does this article reflect our lost “Mateship” as “Aussies” … we are now locked into the neoliberal profit model … not the, “need a hand mate?”, “you OK?”

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/aussie-entrepreneur-austyn-campbells-26m-rat-gamble-praised/news-story/62284014721fd95acafa242dc0863aa0

    Here’s Mordoch M*ews praising “enterprise” and entrepreneurship and completely missing the point – people are sick and dying … Morrison’s Masquerade is still playing smoke and mirrors … profit over people …

    A $26 million “gamble” @ $5 a test … and $7.50 profit = $1.95 BILLION PROFIT in total!

    Allelujah! Praise the hillsong model of christianity … from the Mother Goose ie Father Scotty! Hope and Profit! Hope and Suffering!

  112. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 26, 2022 8:09 pm

    we are now locked into the neoliberal profit model

    I think the model we are locked into is govt spending solves all problems

  113. January 26, 2022 9:14 pm

    Re – “govt spending solves all problems”

    Don’t know that anyone argues that BUT we know that in Australia (and in many other developed nations) it’s government that creates and issues its own currency. We also know that governments require taxes (and other charges) to be paid using that particular currency, so it can be argued that government spending is necessary for the whole system to work.

  114. January 26, 2022 10:15 pm

    RATs are readily available across Thailand (in dispensing machines) for 100 Baht each (which coverts to A$4.23 at today’s price.)

    Guess Morrison hasn’t God on his side.

  115. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    January 27, 2022 12:25 am

    Sawadee Krup MN

    Welcome to the Gutter. Nice to have you here.

  116. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2022 9:03 am

    Guess Morrison hasn’t God on his side.

    Could just be a different one? (in this case, pretty sure the gOD is money)

    The UK are debating birthdays, and over here, we are patiently mansplaining smiling ettiquette

    What a year to be alive.

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2022 11:05 am

    What a year to be alive.

    Lots of connotations in that phrase, TR 🤔

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2022 11:06 am

    Sawadee Krup … indeed … MN

  119. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    January 27, 2022 12:08 pm

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  120. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 27, 2022 3:04 pm

    Heavens!! Was Andrew O’Keefe at an official function with the Prime Minister when he did that?

  121. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2022 3:56 pm

    Don’t know that anyone argues that

    After saying you do not know anyone who thinks govt spending solves problems you then went into a rant saying because we have a sovereign currency we can spend whatever we want

  122. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2022 4:13 pm

    I THIMK you’re hoping no-one will ask for details about your “thinking” again.

    The ALP locked up 8,469 children from 2007-2013. Who knows what they will do if Labor wins the next election??

  123. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2022 4:25 pm

    Was Andrew O’Keefe at an official function with the Prime Minister when he did that?

    You keep getting dickhead of the day, and that’s while posting at the same time nil is.

  124. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    January 27, 2022 5:28 pm

    “Heavens!! Was Andrew O’Keefe at an official function with the Prime Minister when he did that?”

    Proving the point.

  125. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 27, 2022 5:35 pm

    But there’s no arguing with the evidence…conservatives are more inclined to financial illegality, while the left has a higher rate of child molestation

  126. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    January 27, 2022 5:38 pm

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  127. Tom R permalink
    January 27, 2022 6:41 pm

    But there’s no arguing with the evidence

    Well, convictions, anyway. If we’ve learned anything from this parliament, it’s that nobody protects predators better than the libs

    Just wondering, do you still beat your wife yomm? (not around a PM, of course, heaven forbid)

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2022 8:47 pm

    Heavens!! Was Andrew O’Keefe at an official function with the Prime Minister when he did that?

    ToM?

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2022 8:51 pm

    But there’s no arguing with the evidence…conservatives are more inclined to financial illegality, while the left has a higher rate of child molestation

    Now you do sound like Kneel!

    The ALP locked up 8,469 children from 2007-2013. Who knows what they will do if Labor wins the next election??</I.

    They won't leave them there for 12 years!

    Doubt that ToM will get the "message" (irony) TR!

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    January 27, 2022 8:52 pm

    I’m sure you can … probably not … just in case … I said …

    They won’t leave them there for 12 years!

    Doubt that ToM will get the “message” (irony) TR!

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 27, 2022 9:00 pm

    They won’t leave them there for 12 years!

    The first thing the Coalition did was release from detention all the kids you had locked up from 2007-2013.

    They did keep in detention people who had arrived by boat as per Rudd govt instructions

  132. January 27, 2022 10:54 pm

    Re this O’Keefe fellow – “He’s been charged with two counts of intentionally choking a person without consent”

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/former-tv-host-andrew-okeefe-arrested-over-alleged-assault/news-story/7648de02c469f83a38313310bc0a1779

    Dear oh dear – this ‘choking’ was ‘without consent’. If only Andy had waited for volunteers …

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2022 10:57 am

    Had to follow that up, MN!

    He has been charged with two counts of intentionally choking a person without consent, three counts of common assault, and assault occassioning actual bodily harm.

    So, you can intentionally choke someone with their consent … or … unintentionally choke someone with or without their consent …

    Laws are fascinating.

    Slightly OT … there is still a law in England, dating back to the 11th/12th century, that all boys, when they turn 10yo, must be trained in and practice daily, the skills of a longbowman (stems from the Anglo/French wars before and during the 100 Years War).

  134. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2022 11:16 am

    So, you can intentionally choke someone with their consent

    Ask Michael Hutchence 😉

  135. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 28, 2022 12:17 pm

  136. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2022 5:00 pm

    Don’t know that anyone argues that BUT we know that in Australia (and in many other developed nations) it’s government that creates
    and issues its own currency.

    So what? What is your point??

    I am one of the few people in this country that thinks govt debt is a problem

  137. January 28, 2022 5:51 pm

    In the recent presidential election, Biden’s electoral support was analysed to be 61% ‘white’ plus 39% from ‘voters of color’ (VOC) while Trump’s breakdown was 85% ‘white’ with only 15 VOC. Clearly Biden (and the Democrats) is/are keen to hold on to that demographic. Probably why he’s signaled his intention early with the mid-terms entering the stage.

    For politicians, ‘competence’ and a wide variety of other concepts is invariably viewed through a vote-winning lens.

    https://www.vox.com/2021/5/10/22425178/catalist-report-2020-election-biden-trump-demographics

    Neil, when you ‘invest’ do you ever borrow or simply just rely on your own reserves?

    Further, are you aware that most successful companies are constantly in debt? The BHP Group for example had US$17.7b of debt in June 2021. Rio Tinto Debt amounts to $6.2 billion. Apple has about $113.8 billion in long-term debt.

    Don’t you want the Australian to be a successful investor?

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2022 6:39 pm

    No individual or company survives the consequences of unsustainable debt.

  139. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2022 7:02 pm

    Neil, when you ‘invest’ do you ever borrow or simply just rely on your own reserves?

    Govt debt is different to company debt and furthermore is damaging to the country.

    Well we are about to find out if govt debt causes problems. There is no chance of Australia reducing govt debt for the next 50 years if ever

  140. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2022 7:04 pm

    No individual or company survives the consequences of unsustainable debt.

    After your previous comment, it’s highly embarrassing to now be agreeing with you

  141. January 28, 2022 7:06 pm

    Tom – perhaps that’s why it’s called “unsustainable”? But then again, it might be useful to introduce two other concepts and their definitions?

    “a proposition is knowable a priori if it is knowable independently of experience, while a proposition knowable a posteriori is knowable on the basis of experience.”

    Investments are often risky – as ‘experience’ demonstrates

  142. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2022 7:31 pm

    The public debt is due to recurrent expenditure, not capital investment

  143. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2022 7:34 pm

    I remember all the stupid ALP supporters saying back in 2008 when we started running deficit budgets again about how low our debt was and not a problem.

    Well it is not low anymore.

    Anyone with a brain would know what Rudd/Swan/ALP would do to the budget

  144. January 28, 2022 7:47 pm

    Re – “Govt debt is different to company debt”

    Sure is. Particularly when one government agency ‘invests’ (buys bonds) issued by another. Doesn’t have to go down that path but ‘chooses’ to. Just ask Costello.

    As pointed out above, government can (and do) create their own ‘fiat’ currency. (And yes that can be a problem.)

    Governments rightly invest in their citizens for example. Sometimes it’s via ‘education’. Sometimes it’s via ‘health’. Sometimes it’s in physical infrastructure.

    Of course, sometimes it’s wasted. Some fail to learn for example.

  145. January 28, 2022 7:51 pm

    Tom, recurrent expenditure can also be conceptualised as capital expenditure.

  146. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2022 7:53 pm

    MN

    Give it a miss.

    Other than destroying people lives why do you exist??

  147. January 28, 2022 8:00 pm

    Neil re – “why do you exist?”

    Neil what type of answer are you looking for? Are you into metaphysics perchance? Epistemology? Axiology?

    Or are you simply looking for a simple ” Please explain?

  148. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2022 8:04 pm

    MN

    You come from the side of politics that destroys the lives of people

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2022 8:09 pm

    Coughing up for business and individual welfare isn’t capital expenditure in any economics dictionary I’ve seen

  150. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2022 8:11 pm

    Your comments about govt debt show you do not care about people

  151. January 28, 2022 8:34 pm

    Tom, perhaps I should explain (and widen your knowledge in the process):

    “human capital refers to the economic value of a worker’s experience and skills. Human capital includes assets like education, training, intelligence, skills, health, and other things employers value such as loyalty and punctuality. … Human capital is perceived to increase productivity and thus profitability”

    At the state level, health and education expenditures are approximately half of total outlays. Both investments in human CAPITAL.

    Tom – always important to define your terms – either implicitly or explicitly. For my part I’ve now done both.

    Neil. how about sharing your investment strategy. Do you borrow or not?

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2022 9:42 pm

    Economics according to MN. Next you’ll be trying to persuade people that MMT makes sense

  153. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2022 9:58 pm

    The public debt is due to recurrent expenditure, not capital investment

    The public debt is due to grifters pissing away $40 BILLION to their mates

  154. January 28, 2022 10:15 pm

    Tom I see you’ve quit. In inglorious retreat.

    Again for your education. All disciplines (fields of study including economics, science – broadly defined) are subject to ongoing evolution including redefinition of some very basic concepts. Gravity for example.

    Indeed, some of the ‘re-definers’ are even awarded a Nobel Prize.

    As for MMT, it has much to offer both in the descriptive sense (what actually happens) and in the ‘possible’ sense (what might be done).

    Don’t knock what you MIGHT not understand. ‘Reality’ itself falls into that category.

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2022 10:27 pm

    Do you understand that there is capital investment and recurrent expenditure?
    Coughing up for public service salaries and individual or corporate welfare payments, isn’t an investment.
    Find a credible reference that calls recurrent expenditure a “capital investment” and let me know

  156. January 28, 2022 10:48 pm

    Yes Tom I understand that there are abstract concepts such as ‘capital investment’ and ‘recurrent expenditure’ and I also understand that as ‘abstract’ concepts (as distinct from concrete ones) they can be redefined and often ARE. Not that ‘human capital’ is a recent refinement.

    Tom it seems you are bound by definitions/understandings best located in a bygone era. Happens often as one ages.

    Perhaps if you invested more in your own intellectual capital, things might be different? Lol.

  157. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 28, 2022 11:18 pm

    Anyone who believes in MMT has totally lost it

  158. Tom R permalink
    January 28, 2022 11:24 pm

    Tom it seems you are bound by definitions/understandings best located in a bygone era. Happens often as one ages.

    I have to say one thing MN, you’re a quick study 😉

  159. January 28, 2022 11:29 pm

    Re – “Anyone who believes in MMT has totally lost it”

    So are you saying the concept of MMT doesn’t exist? Or are you suggesting that the concept is not ‘useful’ in understanding or even creating an intellectual reality?

    BTW, how’s your answer re investment strategy coming along? A ‘borrower’? Or not? Simple question!

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2022 11:51 am

    ToM … any economics dictionary I’ve seen

    That’s your – source? Dictionaries?

    MN, love ya work … nice to sit back and re-read (with your detail) what we’ve “discussed” with ToM over the years … quite amusing in fact.

    Next subject UBI … should be a doozy.

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2022 12:35 pm

    MMT is a theory that has a range of ill informed supporters. When pressed for examples of its success they usually point to Japan, as if that society in steep social and economic decline is one we should emulate.
    The adherents of MMT are similar to the 1970s fossil fuels lobbyists- “it’s all going to be fine”
    It’s a marginal economic theory that few experts in the relevant discipline support.
    But…the notion that recurrent spending on corporate and individual welfare is a “capital investment” is also a marginal notion

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2022 12:59 pm

    But…the notion that recurrent spending on corporate and individual welfare is a “capital investment” is also a marginal notion

    So, every human for themselves … capitalist anarchy … or royalist greed have been failures for centuries … let’s build a few cathedrals and stately homes … and send the kids to the mines and the fields … and their mum’s and dad’s to war …

    THOSE days really are gone ToM …

    Now about UBI …

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2022 12:59 pm

    THOSE days really are gone ToM …

    Obviously NOT!

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2022 1:28 pm

    So this is just squandering taxpayers money, ToM, not an “investment” …

    With an election looming, Morrison & Co suddenly discover the Reef is in trouble

    Fast forward, from April 2017 to now, and the same government has unveiled a plan to spend an extra $1 billion on the Reef.

    Lynkque

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2022/01/29/great-barrier-reef-election/

    And welfare payments are just a give away … here’s one group you might consider:

    https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/1b8bd886-7b49-4b9b-9163-152021a014df/aihw-phe-235.pdf.aspx?inline=true

  165. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 29, 2022 3:09 pm

    So are you saying the concept of MMT doesn’t exist?

    Modern Monetary Theory sounds crazy to me. Apparently it says if you have a sovereign currency govt spending and debt do not matter. If it sounds too good to be true it most probably is.

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2022 5:45 pm

    Modern Monetary Theory sounds crazy to me

    Bit like Central Banks would sound crazy if you understood how they function.

    Look up, “The Creature From Jekyll Island”, Joe Hockey had no idea as Treasurer and he’s only slightly “smarter” than Joshy!

  167. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2022 3:23 pm

    Bit like Central Banks would sound crazy if you understood how they function.

    How true. The same could be said of all banking practices. It’s all a ponzi scheme. I recall watching Trading Places all those years ago, thinking, how simplistic it sounds, and how outrageous if that’s all it really was, surely there is something deeper.

    Turns out, that’s all there is to it. They even introduced the ‘Eddie Murphy’ rule to prevent it happening again.

    Plug one hole …..

    MMT is just Keynesian Theory with more leeway from what I can gather. Probably something to it, but so many just think it’s a blank recipe to print money. I don’t think that is it’s meaning however.

  168. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 30, 2022 3:35 pm

    but so many just think it’s a blank recipe to print money. I don’t think that is it’s meaning however.

    I think that is what MMT teaches. A country with a sovereign currency gets a blank cheque to spend.

  169. Tom R permalink
    January 30, 2022 3:52 pm

    A country with a sovereign currency gets a blank cheque to spend.

    At least here, the blank cheque only goes to certain players [sarc]

    Hard to know why they don’t want a Federal ICAQ

  170. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 30, 2022 4:21 pm

    It’s Keynesian economics on steroids and without regard for the future.
    Adherents think spending is limited by risk of inflation, that you don’t bother to express debt as a percentage of GDP.
    They don’t know whether there will be an adverse effect if debt reaches (say) 300%-500% of GDP.
    They often advocate following the example set by Japan.
    What could possibly go wrong?

  171. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 30, 2022 5:54 pm

    “Look up, “The Creature From Jekyll Island””

    I did. You and the author have a lot in common, TB, as I’ve highlighted below:

    G. Edward Griffin (born November 7, 1931) is an American author, filmmaker, and conspiracy theorist. Griffin’s writings promote a number of right-wing views and conspiracy theories regarding various of his political, defense and health care interests. In his book World Without Cancer, he argued in favor of a pseudo-scientific theory that asserted cancer to be a nutritional deficiency curable by consuming amygdalin. He is the author of The Creature from Jekyll Island (1994), which advances debunked conspiracy theories about the Federal Reserve System. He is an HIV/AIDS denialist, supports the 9/11 Truth movement, and supports a specific John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theory. He also believes that the Biblical Noah’s Ark is located at the Durupınar site in Turkey

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2022 6:23 pm

    But you didn’t understand the basis of The Creature from Jekyll Island … ’cause ya didn’t read it … if ya think I’m like the author then you’re comprehension level is Kneel*.

    Too busy playing the man and dropping ya balls.

    FYI (and other’s) … the “Creature” is the US Federal Reserve System – another bank created by bankers to protect bank(er)s … just like Australia’s RBA …

    The central banks around the world … including the World Bank and IMF … are run by bankers for bankers – I dealt with a World Bank rep in PNG – I worked for Elcom at the time – not a big loan, for them, about AUD$14m … so many strings and dodgy contract clauses we knocked it back almost immediately.

    BTW … Jekyll Island Resort – owned by JP Morgan was the place that the bankers met to discuss the central bank.

    He also believes that the Biblical Noah’s Ark is located at the Durupınar site in Turkey

    LOL! Bloody oath that’s what I believe! 😎

  173. January 30, 2022 8:34 pm

    Economic theories are many and varied. Certainly number in double digits.

    https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/economic-theory-types

    But as many point out the theory employed at any moment in time is essentially ‘political’. Indeed it might be argued that politics and economics should never be separated.(Thanks Ted Wheelwright.)

    Of recent times, Morrison et al adopted strategies that have much in common with the MMT rationale. Business was in trouble so MMT became the metaphorical ‘port in a storm’. (Of course, it didn’t get recognised by name but had many of the hallmarks.)

  174. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 30, 2022 10:08 pm

    MMT
    * Government spending restrained only by inflation
    * No analysis of whether a public debt to GDP of (say) 500% is economically problematic
    * Limited analysis of whether high public debt limits the policy options of future generations, or their ability to respond to their own crises
    * Live for today, and keep spending
    * What could possibly go wrong

  175. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 30, 2022 10:10 pm

    (Of course, it didn’t get recognised by name but had many of the hallmarks.)

    There must be a difference between deficit spending and MMT but i do not know what it is.

  176. January 30, 2022 10:26 pm

    Re current government

    “* Live for today, and keep spending”

    The evidence abounds.

    “What could possibly go wrong?”

    Who cares? We could lose government! So whatever it takes.

    Koalas, Reefs, Rats, ….

  177. January 30, 2022 10:35 pm

    Look at US debt level as it approaches $30 trillion.

    https://www.usdebtclock.org/

    Probably a need for new theoretical approach(s).

    Always unlimited spending for “war toys”. Planes that don’t fly etc …

  178. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 30, 2022 10:52 pm

    There are two major differences between Australian govt debt and USA and Japanese govt debt.

    Firstly Japan and the USA has vast overseas assets which they can liquidate to cover their foreign debt. With Japan think of Toyota, Sanyo, Honda, Nissan, Fujitsu etc. The list goes on and on. Same for the USA

    Secondly most Japanese and USA govt debt is owned by locals. In contrast when Australia deficits spends we have to borrow from foreigners to fund our deficit budgets. Japan and the USA can fund the majority of their govt debt from their own citizens

    You cannot compare Australian govt debt with Japan or USA govt debt for those 2 reasons.

  179. January 30, 2022 11:13 pm

    So Neil, the Japanese govt can rely on the assets of “Toyota, Sanyo, Honda, Nissan, Fujitsu etc.”

    Using that insane logic the Australian government can rely on BHP, the big 4 Banks, etc, etc.

    As for the US debt being owned by locals. that will come as major surprise to the UK, Japan, China etc

    US debt like Australian debt is payable using a ‘fiat’ currency. And they can’t run out of that.

  180. January 30, 2022 11:19 pm

    Further – “deficits spends we have to borrow from foreigners to fund our deficit budgets”

    Wrong! There’s always the RBA. Do try to keep up.

    “Following a series of policy decisions taken by the Reserve Bank Board since March 2020, the Reserve Bank purchases Australian Government Securities (AGS) and semi-government securities (semis) as part of a bond purchase program to lower longer-term yields and, if required, to address market dislocations.”

  181. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 31, 2022 6:11 am

    Using that insane logic the Australian government can rely on BHP, the big 4 Banks, etc, etc.

    I am talking about the vast overseas assets countries like Japan and the USA have. We have nothing compared to them.

    As for the US debt being owned by locals. that will come as major surprise to the UK, Japan, China etc

    I believe 70% of USA govt debt is owned by locals. 30% is owned by China, Japan etc. Furthermore the USA has vast overseas assets that can cover the 30% of foreign debt they have. Japan is the same. Their govt debt is large but it is owned by Japanese pension funds Super funds or whatever types of funds they have in Japan where people put their money.

    In contrast 70% of our govt debt is foreign and we have few overseas assets to cover that foreign debt.

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 31, 2022 9:05 am

    The simple question to the proponents of MMT is-
    * Can you guarantee that there will be no adverse or unexpected consequences from government spending and debt that is restrained only by the risk of inflation?

  183. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2022 10:52 am

    The simple question to the proponents of [insert any financial theory here] is-

    I mean, we were told by economic geniuses that Labors debt was unsustainable, then they went Keynesian with steroids

    But then failed to actually take care of what they were spending it on.
    oops, $60 Billion out on the eleventy calculator, doesn’t matter
    Big business, nah, you don’t need to prove you need it, just take it
    workers .. GIVE IT BACK. NOW! oh, what’s that, your boss kept it? Give it back anyway!

  184. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 31, 2022 11:40 am

    I mean, we were told by economic geniuses that Labors debt was unsustainable,

    I would like to see a link for that. Most people seem to think govt debt is not a problem.

  185. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 31, 2022 12:34 pm

    “Too busy playing the man”

    The ball, in this case, was “The Creature From Jekyll Island”. You suggested we look it up. I did. I then pointed out that it is full of debunked conspiracy theories and written by a nutter who spent a lifetime promoting right-wing conspiracy theories.

    I do grant you that the nutter at least understands socialism:

    “How can the Bank’s managers continue in conscience to fund such genocidal regimes? ……. The greater part of the answer, however, is that all socialist regimes have the potential for genocide, and the Bank is committed to socialism. The brutalities of these countries are all in a days work for serious socialists who view them as merely unfortunate necessities for the building of their utopia. Lenin said you cannot make an omelet without cracking a few eggs. George Bernard Shaw, one of the early leaders of the Fabian Socialist movement, expressed it this way:

    Under Socialism, you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live, you would have to live well.

    If you wanted to make an intelligent critique of the Fed you could have done so in your own words or at least referred us to one or more of the critiques of the Fed made by sane people and not full of “debunked conspiracy theories”.

  186. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 31, 2022 1:31 pm

    TomR

    Your link proves my point. Here is the title of your first link

    Not one of the prime minister’s claims about the ‘budget emergency’
    stacks up against a simple fact check – and here’s the evidence

    I will say it again.

    Most people seem to think govt debt is not a problem.

  187. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2022 1:35 pm

    er, nil, it was a link(s) showing the ‘economic geniuses’ making those claims.

    It was patently false then, and it needs to be shown repeatedly so people remember what lying asshats they ARE

    Although, the debt is now becoming a real problem, when you consider that the present mob have no plan whatsoever about how to handle it.

  188. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 31, 2022 1:58 pm

    TomR

    I see by “economic geniuses” you meant the Coalition. I thought you were talking about most economists and ALP type people who do not think govt debt is a problem

    Look a MNs posts above. Most people from “”the left”” of politics do not think govt debt is a problem.

    We shall see.

  189. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2022 2:41 pm

    This just means to me that the abc is almost completely broken

  190. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 31, 2022 3:05 pm

    The adherents to MMT will try to persuade people that debt isn’t a problem.
    They’re like a combination of 1970s fossil fuel lobbyists and current climate change deniers.
    * What could possibly go wrong
    * Ignore the findings of the overwhelming majority of experts in the discipline
    * If there’s a problem, let future generations fix it

  191. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 31, 2022 4:08 pm

    * Ignore the findings of the overwhelming majority of experts in the discipline

    I think the economic experts most probably think govt debt is not a problem. Howard just after winning the 1996 election got blasted by the experts for spending cuts to get the budget back into surplus.

  192. January 31, 2022 4:18 pm

    Dear oh dear, there seems little understanding of the need to ‘invest’. During the mining boom, BHP. for example, ran large and repeated “budget deficits”. That is, BHP spent far more than it earned. And shareholders reaped billions in dividends and watched their share price grow. Win, win for all involved. Today, BHP remains the biggest ‘taxpayer’ in Australia while still with considerable debt.

    But I suppose some enjoy wallowing in ignorance.

    One of the real scandals we face in Australia is the massive underutilization of labour power (including intellectual capital) when there’s so many opportunities (and needs) to be met..

    So, come out from under the metaphorical doona, look around, borrow to invest and create a better reality. Stop selling off our assets and instead borrow, borrow to invest so that our children inherit a much richer Australia.

  193. Tom R permalink
    January 31, 2022 4:42 pm

    got blasted by the experts for spending cuts to get the budget back into surplus.

    Because he trashed Health and education, from which both have not recovered. The chaos in our hospital system is proof of that. WA are correct not to open up, as their Health system is probably the worst of the lot (thanks in large to the previous Government over there)

  194. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 31, 2022 5:07 pm

    MN

    There is a big difference between BHP borrowing money to hunt for an oil field which if found will pay back the investment and govt spending which is a bottomless pit.

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2022 5:53 pm

    Are nuclear submarines, fighter aircraft, attack drones, armoured vehicles (tanks, personnel carriers) a government capital investment or debt “vehicles”?

    Oh, and new personal weapons and armour clothing and equipment for on the ground personnel.

    BTW, I’ve been reliably informed that at present the new, M1A2 SEPv3 Abrams, tanks can’t be transported by either the RAAF or the RAN … ???

    Lynx:

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43820/australia-buys-m1a2-sepv3-advanced-abrams-tanks-to-lead-its-major-armor-upgrade

  196. January 31, 2022 6:21 pm

    Neil – yes sometimes some investments, even with the best of intentions, are “bottomless pits”. But we live in a society where even evident “bottomless pits” are afforded opportunity.

    Heard of Peter Doherty? An example of a good investment? And there are many. many others.

    Then again …

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 31, 2022 8:18 pm

    instead borrow, borrow to invest so that our children inherit a much richer Australia.

    What’s wrong with funding that from government revenue?
    Is it ok for those children to borrow even more to fund the services for the next generation?
    Can you advise when government debt might be of concern, or is it just…”what could possibly go wrong”

  198. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 31, 2022 8:19 pm

    Are nuclear submarines, fighter aircraft, attack drones, armoured vehicles (tanks, personnel carriers) a government capital investment or debt “vehicles”?

    Yep, a waste of money and non-productive as well.

    We have been deficit spending since 2007, Costello’s last budget. One trillion dollars of deficit spending. I doubt we got value for money.

  199. January 31, 2022 10:58 pm

    Re – ” What’s wrong with funding that from government revenue? ”

    Absolutely nothing (in theory). A desirable way to explore. But it needs to be unpacked (and therefore clarified) in the morrow.

  200. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 1, 2022 8:44 am

    The great thing about MMT is that taxes are now unnecessary:

  201. Tom R permalink
    February 1, 2022 10:39 am

    The great thing about MMT is that taxes are now unnecessary:

    How many bitCoins do you get for going though?

    And, he’s a Professor of .. what (for yomm 😉 )

    It makes sense though, of course the libs would be the biggest taxing if we didn’t have to.

  202. Tom R permalink
    February 1, 2022 11:34 am

    “Though Shalt Not Lie”

    Aged care giant Anglicare Sydney has misled a government inquiry by claiming to be in serious financial difficulty – when it’s actually awash with cash, notching up record revenues, and is one of the nation’s richest organisations holding well over $2 billion in assets.

    https://www.theklaxon.com.au/home/anglicares-billions-ceo-misleads-inquiry

    Really, fuck xtians, they are heartless beasts. They suck off the taxpayer teat, provided by another so-called xtian, and then abuse and torment our elderly for profit. It’s disgusting. The sooner Government takes control of these places, the better. Of course, the Government needs to return to being a place that takes responsibility. There is a lot of work to do.

    Dirty floors, ant-infested bedding, residents left sitting in soiled incontinence pads for hours, horrendous food and “virtual” wound inspections. It’s one year since the end of the Newmarch House Covid-19 outbreak. The media circus and regulators have moved on…And things are even worse than before.

    https://www.theklaxon.com.au/home/newmarch-one-year-on

  203. Tom R permalink
    February 1, 2022 11:41 am

    How have I only just seen this

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2022 1:10 pm

    Well done Chasers! as usual … good find TR. 😁 😎

  205. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    February 1, 2022 1:48 pm

    Priceless!

    The look on Scott Morrison’s face when PVO read out a text from Gladys describing him as “a fraud,” “a horrible, horrible person’ and a “complete pyscho”.

    You could’ve heard a pin drop! 😆

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