GLADYS: MORRISON IS A “HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE PERSON!”

Some more pearlers from his obituary. Hard to know why he doesn’t want to be asked questions by Tingle

hmm, so no then?

I love how he’s running a party on values’, from an OnlyFans site

#auspol is cooked

Gladys has just confirmed that the tweet is true

Gladys Berejiklian has ‘no recollection’ of calling Scott Morrison ‘horrible, horrible’ person in text message

TB

MN is a MMT believer who thinks govt debt does not matter. I have not spoilt anything.

I think MN has chickened out of previous comments.

Anyway the ALP does not think govt debt is a problem. Never have and never will

TB

Howard/Costello cared about govt debt. They took debt from 18% of GDP in 1996 to zero by 2003.They are the only govt since 1972 to reduce govt debt.

But Labor does not care about people. govt debt, borders or anything other than winning govt

And MN has stated that debt is not a problem since we have a fiat currency, whatever that is

TB you come from the side of politics that misleads and deceives people. Always have and always will

Those were the days!
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTsbJVhv_DPng_icmsZMJ_j13VVDpRLVSKyqA&usqp=CAU

Interesting…

Top 20 Countries with the highest minimum wage in 2020 (US$):
Australia – $14.54
Luxembourg – $13.67
New Zealand – $13.18
Monaco – $11.88
Ireland – $11.54
France – $11.46
United Kingdom $11.37
Netherlands – $11.21
Belgium – $11.06
Germany – $10.68
San Marino – $10.55
Canada – $10.33
South Korea – $8.99
Israel – $8.17
Japan – $7.52
Spain – $7.30
United States $7.25
Andorra – $6.72
Slovenia – $5.84
Taiwan – $5.26

Should point out that $14.54 US converts to A$20.45 but the statement still stands.

I’m simply pointing out that Australia has the highest minimum wage in the world.
It’s interesting and adds a little context to the debate about employment standards and rates.

Remember when James was ridiculed because he used personal experience in a discussion.
People here should try some facts before running off at the mouth
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp

Perhaps they don’t have a need for a minimum wage? That keeping workers’ wages as low as possible isn’t the priority? The priority? The driving force?

Or is it being suggested, that the ‘natural and right’ order is to appropriate the ‘all’ to ‘capital’? And bugger the other?

People that suffered no reduction in wages couldn’t be bothered figuring out how to help.
After some public pressure, they go off their fat @rses

Under Morrison’s direction way back in 2019:

… it must be ministers who set the policy direction. …

So we had Tudge demanding changes to the curriculum (there was no compulsory, core competency in mistress bashing) and now we have Dutton buying tanks that can’t be transported, nuclear submarines that haven’t been designed and planes that shouldn’t fly, according to the US commissioners.

Then there’s Barnaby, the Deputy PM, who thinks his boss is a liar.

And some wonder what has gone wrong?

(Reb is that ‘Chicken Man’ still on Gurney Drive?)

We can always rely on left types to defend pen pushing, chain dragging public servants that work so hard to avoid providing the public with service

Love the Australian of the year one reb, the guy nailed it

I see the week ended up with an outbreak of harmony and understanding, was nice to see (and nice to read the memories coming out)

And then yomm wandered in, still angry about his mums kindle.

I reckon the Australian of The Year nailed it again just quietly 😉

So, has Carr just brought on an early election, a libspill, or just about to get served with papers?

Apparently there is a cryptocurrency for this:

Bugger that, I just want the NFT

The tinfoil akubra and chairman gladys and macron Le-frog all beating up on fact-free slomo is fcuking delicious. Almost as delicious as the product turning up on supermarket shelves soon. Right between the spam and tuna tins.`

This One?

SOMEONE STOLE MY NFT!!!

Most understand (and abjure) the concept of “racism”, (defined in terms of antagonism … against people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial …) but few understand (or appreciate) the concept of “ethnocentrism” (defined in terms of evaluating other cultures through the lens of standards and customs embedded in one’s own culture.)

Fact is everyone is “ethnocentric” to a greater or lesser extent. It can be no other way – at least as a starting point.

But for far too many, the starting point becomes the finishing point. Thus we have discrimination based on “culture” which might include ‘religion’, ‘dress’, ‘custom’, ‘language’, ‘expression’, etc etc. Seems to me, we should grow up and accept “difference” which will include how we construct reality.

Safe injecting rooms have proven to be an overall benefit to community splats. Just saying 😉

(Seems to me….

Yes, of course, drop bears, eh?)

Section 81 of the constitution states;

“All revenues or moneys raised or received by the Executive Government of the Commonwealth shall form one Consolidated Revenue Fund …

So all monies, taxes, tariffs, royalties, etc (income) paid to the Commonwealth goes into the (single) Consolidated Revenue Fund and there it stays. It’s not tagged, labelled or identified as to the categories collected from.

Further, Section 83 of the constitution states (in part):

… money cannot be drawn from the CRF without an appropriation Act.

The ‘appropriate Act’ is commonly known as the Budget – which ‘appropriates’ (allocates) funds to be spent in the foreseeable future via government ‘departments’, broadly defined. The Budget does not identify particular ‘source’. Legally, it’s now government funds, legally collected, to be legally spent. Not a ‘taxpayer’ reference in sight.

What WAS (source) is now out of the equation. Just like the dollars you paid to the butcher, baker and candlestick maker, they are no longer yours. They have a new owner.

Yet, politicians and others, speak of those government funds as ‘taxpayer funds’ (often implying a continuing ownership.) And if that were the case, there seems no recognition that ‘taxpayers’ include BHP (the biggest taxpayer) the Banks, etc. Taxpayers also include backpackers, foreign diplomats, even Murdoch if he buys an ice-cream at the airport.

Yet there is a case to be made that politicians are in fact spending OUR money. But the OUR in this case are Citizens (voters), whether they be taxpayers or not. There is no one-to-one correspondence between taxpayers and citizens. Citizens, in terms of voting rights, are all equal. Taxpayers aren’t.

In my case I am not an effective taxpayer because I receive more from the public purse that I contribute. (As Hockey pointed out, nearly half of citizens are not net taxpayers. They, like me, depend on corporations (both local and foreign) to pay their ‘fair share’.

But, for some strange reason most Voters prefer to identify as third rate taxpayers rather than first rate Citizens. (As an aside, get in trouble while overseas, go to an Australian Embassy and identify as a ‘taxpayer’ (as distinct from a Citizen) and see what matters.

While employing the “scientific” method is currently the best way we have of “knowing” (at a particular moment in time), it does not give us TRUTH, in any absolutist sense.

Those ‘scientists’ (including the medical profession) who don’t publicly acknowledge that are doing themselves and the wider population a dis-service.

All scientific findings are (and should be) regarded as “tentative”. Just awaiting the next theoretical breakthrough.

But most people just want the TRUTH, (sworn to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth) and therefore fall as easy prey to those who (claim to) provide same. It’s why religion persists.

Perhaps we get the politicians we deserve (as a generality). Imagine the outcome if a politician, when asked a (complex) question, responded with – “I don’t know.” – or something similar.

Shock, horror – a politician who ‘doesn’t know’. Poll numbers would be in free-fall – (by attempting to be truthful).

Perhaps, the root of the problem can be identified by glancing in the mirror?

Neil of Sydney re – “People vote Labor because they want stuff from the govt” Very true!

Also – “People vote LNP because they want stuff from the govt”.

Governments are there to do what individuals can’t (by themselves). Strength in numbers.
Collective action. And the like.

So?

Have you any idea the sort of help you can get from Centrelink??

https://www.themonthly.com.au/today/paddy-manning/2020/01/2020/1590990618/robo-dead

But imagine the political outcry here if a minimum wage was abolished and replaced with some vague notion about a “normal and reasonable” rate

Imagine if we had the same social system underpinning that the Scandinavian countries have. That’s why we need a minimum, and they don’t. Simple concepts appear hard for some

seem to have low unemployment

Emphasis on the ‘seems’ there 😉

https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2021/sep/21/unemployment-in-australia-only-45-wait-until-i-stop-laughing

Re:

None (read Not ONE) of the Scandinavian countries have (HAS – singular subject aligning with a singular verb) a minimum wage.

LOL. (Sorry. It’s the ex-public servant in me that likes to get the detail correct for the historical record.)

As for:

Which countries provide all that ?

None! Not one! But which country could provide at that level?

Perhaps one which didn’t allow for the free transfer of wealth to foreign shores?

https://www.michaelwest.com.au/revealed-australias-top-40-tax-dodgers-for-2021/

Where is the vision? Where is the ambition? The motivation, enthusiasm, zeal, commitment
sense of purpose, longing, yearning, hankering, get-up-and-go.

Held back by a conservative tunnel vision.

Re:

Which country has a “society”?

Good question. As society is an abstract concept usually defined (loosely) in terms of a web of social relationships . As an abstract concept it’s distinct from physical entity which we can perceive through senses. Thus it can’t be touched, tasted, smelt, felt, etc.

But it can be a useful concept. Something like the class concept.

Best if it’s defined in most instances.

That video is hilarious Splatter! You can see some of my highlights here!

TomR

That Robodebt link you gave is just another reason why i never trust you or the ALP.

Robodebt was started by Shorten in 2011. In 2016 Coalition brought in a new computer method to determine income.

After 2016 debt notices were sent to 900,000 people and of those 2,000 died. Guess what?? The died of old age, cancer, heart disease, etc The normal things people die from and it was a normal death rate for a population that size.

It became a urban myth supported by the ABC that those 2,000 people all committed suicide because of debt notices.

Robodebt was started by Shorten in 2011.

nil, you remain the dumbest fuck I’ve never met.

And your in direct competition with someone who can’t even operate a Kindle

Here in Queensland, the CMO retreats from absolutist (medical) predictions. Better late than never but uncertainty was predictable (and predicted).

The coming (local) Senate contest will be very interesting, While Labor and the LNP are guaranteed 2 each (4 out of 6 in total), the remaining two seats will see a contest between Clive Palmer (UAP), an ALP, a LNP, a Green, a PHON (Hanson), ex Premier Newman. plus a host of hopefuls.

Palmer is a strong chance. Money is no object.

ROBODEBT WAS STARTED BY BILL SHORTEN IN 2011

Even though the judge specified what was changed, when it was changed, and why it was illegal, you still continue with this phantasy.

I see Albo just killed off the religious fuckwittery bill, and the greens are still blaming him for …. I don’t really know anymore

They can get in the same bin nils in imo

TomR

In 2016 Coalition brought in a new method to determine income called income averaging. It turned out to be a disaster and was illegal for some reason.

But why did the ABC feel the need to post the number of people who died after 2016??

TomR

The ABC was using taxpayers funds to play dirty politics.

Down the bottom of the ABC article which mentioned the 2,000 deaths in the title it was noted that it was a normal death rate for a population of 900,000 people.

But the topic was TB saying we are a mean nation. People can get help from Centrelink that people from most countries could not get. I actually think the govt is too generous. Centrelink should be for people in need not for wealthy people.

You’re the one who think expensive wine for everyone is one of the requirements for a “society”

Meanwhile at the bastion of clean living in the modern world… welcome to Tesla
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-02-11/la-fi-tesla-race-discrimination-lawsuit

You’re the one who think expensive wine for everyone is one of the requirements for a “society”

I must have missed that one yomm. I’m sure you can point to it for me?

Thanks to your lefty ideas people now leave school unable to spell

You do understand that the libs have been in power for something like 20 of the past 26 years, don’t you? And have moved the bulk of finance from public to private schools.
And yes, people now leave school unable to spell. And some of you can spell, but quite obviously are unable to think.

Marx (in his later years) argued that ALL ideas/concepts (within a particular socio-historical context) are inter-related. If so, then the concepts of society and economy inter-twine, overlap are inter-dependent or whatever.

So while the concepts of society and the economy can be discreet, they can also be seen to be part of the same picture (as it were.) Nevertheless, at particular moments in time, it’s possible to prioritize one over the other.

In Queensland, Annastacia Palaszczuk prioritized the ‘social’ over the ‘economic’ before the last election and was rewarded with a clear victory. (Palaszczuk btw is not a political genius but she comes across as ‘one of the mob’ which is crucial in Queensland as Joh, Beattie et al demonstrate.)

Most people, as they age, want more emphasis on the ‘social’ at the expense of the ‘economic’ Me included,

What a complete load of random cr@p

So, then you think a society should have a class of people who can’t afford expensive wines?

Unusually unintelligent, even for you and TB.
It’s weird that a couple of left types would go out of their way to define society on the basis of a grab bag of material possessions, such as expensive wine.
Perhaps society more about shared basic values, and respect for the institutions that support orderly behaviour.
Although I’d expect you and TB to think a slab is the basis for a civil society
And if access to expensive wine forms part of the criteria, underdeveloped countries are generations away from having a “society”

Neil Re:

… were able to spell, read and write.

If you say so, but many employers way back disagreed then, constantly claiming what you are claiming now. Check the literature. They voice concerns today and will probably do exactly the same in the ‘morrow.

But go back to an earlier time when ‘schooling for the masses’ (public education) was just underway. Then the ability to ‘write’ (and therefore ‘spell’) was considered to be dangerous for those other than what one might call the ‘upper’ classes.

Reading was good. Provided it was for the study of the Bible and not ‘revolutionary’ literature that was emerging, circa 1848. Writing was bad because it might add to the spreading of those dangerous ideas. And besides it was not ‘necessary’ for employment. Those who needed to read could be recruited from the sons of the upper class, who were so taught.

But the world changes. These days the use of pen and ink is in decline as is the ability to to calculate grocery bills. Such is the result of computers and the like. Why, the youth of today can’t even drive a cart let alone shoe a horse. Where will it end?

“We’ll all be ruined” said Han …

Will costellos shit sheet put up an apology?

If you remember the 60’s, you weren’t really there.

Luckily for me, the 80’s is a blur 🙂

Is it a surprise that inflation is taking off since govts have been stimulus spending??? I thought money printing dilutes the value of money.

It’s hard to pinpoint why the libs just lost a seat to Labor (who have never held it before)

Don’t think you’re asking three questions. So do you stutter? Please explain.

But what about my question? Is the rising inflation being caused by govt stimulus spending all around the world?

NB Only use one question mark when talking to MN

Neil, inflation is a consequence of human choice.

Neil are you aware that the Liberal Party of Australia was founded by Robert Menzies?

Further, are you also aware that like any successful corporate leader, Menzies was willing to use long-run debt financing to fund long-run investments?

Did you know that Menzies ran budget deficits for the last nine years of his reign?

Seems like the ‘conservative’ side of politics has a proud history rooted in debt and deficit. So what is your problem?

Yes Neil: “Something else WAS happening”.

And a large part of that “happening” can be traced to the investments (or not) made in earlier times.

Take ‘education’ as an example. Queensland, under a Labor regime, failed to invest and its development lagged behind other States.

As for: “… if you believe crap like that…”

That Menzies was a ‘leftie’?

And recurrent expenditure isn’t “a long term investment”

That’s very funny TB.
Wages are “a long term investment! “

PJ O’Rourke has died. He was just about the most entertaining, intelligent, outrageous writer.
Amazing at dissecting hypocrisy.

And ALP shills spend their days bashing the Libs for daring to speak about the genocidal actions of the communist Chinese government.

Perhaps you mean speaking about genocidal acts they themselves don’t seem too far from?

And Yes, Rudd was able to criticise the Chinese, AND carry on formal relations. Labor were able to provide protections for Australian workers, AND deal with Chinese companies at the same time. Exactly as Labor continue to do.

The only ones here who would be dissected by PJ O’Rourke are the libs and their lackeys who pretend it is otherwise.

Besides, weren’t we now at war with Russia?

It really is difficult to keep up

Re:

the military-industrial complex would love another war

Indeed. It is basic to start any discussion of the military-industrial complex concept with reference to C. Wright Mills’ The Power Elite (1956) but I won’t.

In Australia, and elsewhere, we lack structural arrangements and the political will to do anything about it.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Dutton scores a sinecure if he loses his current gig at the coming election. He’s been a good and faithful servant.

As for Biden. He’s a socialist . Lol. (That’s the level of debate they have in the USA. )

Tom are you seriously claiming “that level of debate” with respect to Biden (with the noun Biden being the only antecedent) being a socialist) DOESN’T occur in the USA?

Perhaps you would like a link?

Hilarious! A link to prove something isn’t being said!
The level of political discourse under Biden and Harris is far more sophisticated than it is here, and particularly in Queensland and other outposts

MN

I am still waiting for your answer about how Menzies ran deficit budgets but at the same time took govt debt from 90% of GDP just after WW2 to zero by 1972??

Was Menzies a genius??

Humans are “meaning makers” and “meaning givers”. There is NO meaning with a meaning maker.

Thus, humans don’t GET (receive) meanings – they GIVE (attribute) meanings.

Hence, the breakdown between an INTENDED meaning and one that is then GIVEN. (Just sayin ..)

How funny is the Zali Steggall debacle, gains political advantage from-
* Transparency
* Open dialogue
* Accountability
FAIL

I look at the commentary on US newspaper sites, and I was a frequent visitor there

No-one “believes” in deficit budgets …

ALP supporters do.

Before i was banned at The Guardian the lefties told me that govt debt is nothing like household debt. So we do not have to worry about deficit budgets.

And Labor has never reduced govt debt because they do not believe it is a problem

Does that have any context splats, or just … is this just fantasy .. 🙂

IVI

Why don’t you just spit it out and tell us the point you are trying to make??

Are you angling for a gig with murdor splats?

People were wondering how the hell the pm can away with raising rhetoric in a manner that even the spooks are concerned about. Here’s the hint

MMT proponents don’t believe in such things as a “deficit”
Because that suggests something that is limited by taxation. They don’t believe there is a connection between (federal) government expenditure and taxation.
The general limitation on expenditure is inflation
They don’t bother with issues like-
* Is there a guarantee that there won’t be adverse or unintended consequences for future generations
* Is their example of Japan as the case study, a happy outcome that we should all I’m to achieve
It’s as irresponsible as taking a risk with unabated carbon emission

Tom

MMT is something to do with having a sovereign currency, whatever that is.

So MMT will not work for the EU countries because countries like Greece do not have a sovereign currency anymore. They have the EURO.

My understanding is that deficit spending and MMT is not the same thing. You need to have a sovereign currency for MMT to work

Tom

I do not get MMT. Apparently MMT and deficit spending are not the same. Govts have been deficit spending since the year dot.

For MMT to work you need a sovereign currency, whatever that is. So the MMTers say Greece cannot deficit spend for MMT to work because Greece has the EURO and not a sovereign currency

I am going to believe that MMTers are insane until proven otherwise.

And i believe that MMT is a leftie wet dream. These people are insane

Re: – “MMT proponents don’t believe in such things as a “deficit”

Really? Or perhaps you mean that (some) MMTers are of the view that “deficit(s)” isn’t a particularly ‘useful’ concept?

By way of explanation. One upon a time, the concept of “phrenology” was considered to be particularly useful. (Phrenology was defined as the study of the conformation of the skull as indicative of mental faculties and traits of character.)

According to that theory, characteristics such as ‘criminality’, for example, could be determined by observing/feeling/studying etc the ‘bumps’ on a person’s skull. When Ned Kelly died, for example, his skull was preserved for close study so as to determined as to why he was so ‘bad’.

These days the concept of ‘phrenology’ is not considered ‘useful’. It still exists but (virtually) no-one uses it. Concepts are human constructs. And like any human construct, they can be discarded, reconfigured, resurrected, used in part etc.

Same with any theory, including economic theories, of which there’s any number.

Make no mistake, MMT provides insight into how money “operates” in our society. (And just for the record, many on the so called Left are not supporters of how it might be applied and its “usefulness”.)

Re:

Let’s all hurry to MMT!

Wouldn’t do that myself and certainly wouldn’t recommend it for others.

Nevertheless, while ‘progressives’ entertain ideas, ‘conservatives’ tend to reject them out of hand. Almost as a reflex.. The past, broadly defined, demonstrates that folly. Have a read:

“I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.” — Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943.

“I have travelled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people, and I can assure you that data processing is a fad that won’t last out the year.” — The editor in charge of business books for Prentice Hall, 1957.

• “But what…is it good for?” — Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, commenting on the microchip.

“There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.” — Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977.

“640K ought to be enough for anybody.” — Bill Gates, 1981.

“This ‘telephone’ has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us.” — Western Union internal memo, 1876.

“The Americans have need of the telephone, but we do not. We have plenty of messenger boys.” — Sir William Preece, chief engineer of the British Post Office, 1876.

“While theoretically and technically television may be feasible, commercially and financially it is an impossibility.” — Lee DeForest, inventor.

Of more recent times:

No household needs more than 25Mb – Abbott and Turnbull 2013

Sciences – no matter whether they be the “social” or the “physical” – advance on the basis of theoretical breakthroughs, mental reconsiderations, revisions or whatever and it’s usually ‘messy’ and somewhat ‘inelegant’, at least in the early stages.

MMT might fall into that category.

Re:

vast majority accept and endorse a position that is supported by their research

Agree! But as developments in the sociology of knowledge demonstrate that’s not the end of the matter. Perhaps we need to do more “research” into “research” to see what underpins same.

Knowledge depends on the theory adopted: the methodology generated; which produces particular facts . All interwoven in an ongoing praxis.

Take spending in education as an ongoing example. While educators argued that spending was crucial to outcomes, economists (and conservative politicians) argued otherwise. At least until recent times. New theories, with different methodology gave rise to new facts and also won a Nobel Prize for economics.

By emphasizing the power of “natural experiments” to establish cause and effect, Card revolutionized not only economics, but education research, too …

You can read about it here.

https://www.chalkbeat.org/2021/10/13/22724766/economics-nobel-prize-education-research-school-spending

Best if we keep an open mind.

Of more recent times:

They are a’changing 😦

No doubt Morrison and Dutton will soon be wearing ‘khaki’ – metaphorically at least

Will the Made In China tag be visible?

All too easy to create a Look over there! distraction. Photos of Labor members eating in Chinese restaurants, or consuming take-aways, about to be published.

Or Ukuleles for Ukraine?

BREAKING: Dan Andrews has fired a laser into the unprotected eyes of a Sydney Train which has in turn unleashed the Unions to terrorise the non Chinese passengers

This is gonna be some election 😦

MN, you must know more than Professor Peter Dean. I just listened to him on PM.
He disagrees with you.
https://research-repository.uwa.edu.au/en/persons/peter-dean

Basically he said Australia had every right to engage in the surveillance of the Chinese ship, and there was no excuse for the use of the laser.
He made that point for about 5 minutes.

Who in earth is threatening to fire missiles?
I mean really, that’s a very poor argument. It only results in every country thinking they’d better get plenty of missiles, and probably nuclear ones, if they want some attention
Yes, everyone becomes North Korea.

Tom all sides acknowledge that using nuclear weapons (deliberately) is unthinkable. It’s still labelled MAD (I think.) Mutually Assured Destruction.

But there’s always the chance of accidents.

As for Ukraine, glance at its history. So many in certain parts want to be part of Russia – again. It’s the language they speak. The religion. The culture. etc

In so many ways they are already Russian. Given a vote, that’s where they would go.

Surely the West is in favor of self-determination?

The parts of Ukraine that are see themselves as Russian have already been annexed.
The the rest don’t want to be a Russian satellite state.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/why-ukrainians-are-ready-to-fight-for-their-democracy-175649

What would Bolt etc say!!??… isn’t among your most persuasive arguments
In democratic countries, like Australia, people are entitled to determine their foreign policy orientation, even though it often annoys those that apparently know better

Should we have ignored all this??
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Kosovo_War

Did the (then potential) prosecution of war criminals act as any deterrent to slaughter or to the war criminals?
Even after the war, those zealots seemed to wear the charges as a badge of honour