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Send in the tanks: Russia invades Ukraine!

February 22, 2022

VLADIMIR PUTIN has deployed troops to two Russia-backed separatist territories in Ukraine, escalating a conflict that Western officials warn could explode into one of the biggest armed clashes in Europe since World War II.

During a blunt televised address yesterday, Putin declared that Ukraine, as a country, was “created by Russia.”

Russian state television then showed Mr. Putin signing decrees directing the Russian Defense Ministry to deploy troops in those regions to carry out so-called “peacekeeping functions,” which is a bit like calling demolition experts “home improvement specialists.”

The White House has issued a statement saying the US will impose sanctions against people “doing business” in the separatist regions, and that it would “soon announce additional measures related to today’s blatant violation of Russia’s international commitments.”

Meanwhile Putin called Ukraine’s elected pro-Western leaders “stooges” and cast them as the aggressors, even though Russia has an estimated 150,000 to 190,000 soldiers surrounding Ukraine.

While Putin’s ultimate plans remain a mystery, a full invasion would constitute the largest military action in Europe since World War II.

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  1. February 22, 2022 12:26 pm

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  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 22, 2022 12:38 pm

    Putin has a Napoleon complex

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2022 12:52 pm

    The Russians are not very creative … they just copy Hitler

    The Gleiwitz incident (German: Überfall auf den Sender Gleiwitz; Polish: Prowokacja gliwicka) was a false flag attack on the radio station Sender Gleiwitz in Gleiwitz (then Germany and today Gliwice in Poland) staged by Nazi Germany on the night of 31 August 1939. Along with some two dozen similar incidents, the attack was manufactured by Germany as a casus belli to justify the invasion of Poland, which began the next morning.[1] The attackers posed as Polish nationals.

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2022 1:00 pm

    Oh dear!

    Senator Payne says European countries like Poland and Lithuania, who neighbour Ukraine, were concerned that Russia could target them next.

    “Countries in the region are very concerned,” she told 2GB on Tuesday morning.

    Australia has been very clear about our commitment to their sovereignty and their territorial integrity.

    My bold

  5. February 22, 2022 1:43 pm

    What’s Marisse Payne gonna do… Send Putin a photo of her angry pursed lips face…??

  6. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 22, 2022 2:31 pm

    The Australian economy is about the same size as Russia’s. We were expected to shit ourselves when the CCP engaged in some economic bullying, like wine and lobster
    Genuine, hard sanctions on Russia, even at the cost of some discomfort among western democracies, seems appropriate

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2022 5:32 pm

    My word ToM’s a fighter!

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2022 5:34 pm

    Beg pardon, m’lord, I meant to say, Lord ToM 😎

  9. February 22, 2022 6:06 pm

    What’s the difference(s) between economic bullying and sanctions ?

    No need for an essay. A detailed list will suffice.

  10. February 22, 2022 6:31 pm

    Did you know that a 2019 survey found that 82% of Crimea’s population supported Crimea’s accession to Russia. And the same survey also found that 58% of Crimean Tatars now supported Crimea’s accession to Russia, as opposed to 39% in 2014.

    Does some parts of Scotland still want to become independent? Did Britain leave the European Union?

    What percentage of Australian Aborigines now endorse the invasion of a few centuries ago? Are you aware that there’s a move for the Torres Strait Islands to secede?

    Is WA still threating? What about Texas?

    Are such moves like a pandemic or simply endemic ?

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 22, 2022 7:02 pm

    The CCP applied trade sanctions on Australia, because said things they didn’t like. The message was- If you wish to trade with us, you have to be subservient. This will also serve as a message to other countries that might feel like getting uppity
    * That’s attempting to bully
    On the other hand, most western democracies are concerned about the massing of 130,000 Russian military personnel and their killing apparatus, on and over the border of an independent country.
    * Application of significant trade and financial sanctions appears the minimum that is warranted
    Do you notice the difference?

  12. February 22, 2022 7:19 pm

    Tom I was enquiring at the “conceptual” level. Let me explain via a definition

    “Something is conceptual when it deals primarily with abstract or original thoughts.”

    As for this supposed message – perhaps you have a link? Or was that just YOUR attempt to construct a reality?

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 22, 2022 7:30 pm

    I thought it might help you understand if I used examples and kept it simple

  14. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2022 10:34 pm

    The CCP applied trade sanctions on Australia, because said things they didn’t like.

    That was part of it. The other part was against sanctions we had already made against them. But, ignore the facts you don’t like, again 😉

    Meanwhile, looks like the poor old Ukrainians are about to be meat in the sandwhich … again.

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2022 8:47 am

    A leaked search warrant has confirmed for the first time that the Victorian anti-corruption commission has spent more than two years investigating “suspected corrupt conduct” involving dealings between the firefighters’ union and the state government.
    Remember how Dan threw Jane Garrett under the bus because she said she was bullied by that union secretary.
    Great work Dan

  16. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2022 9:21 am

    lol, a Union is searched ………….. again

    BREAKING news yomm

    The timing is delicious, especially after what just happened in NSW with their trains, and attempt to blame the Union there.

    BTW, will the pm apologise for slurring the Union there with his lies?

    I see freedum boys being free again

  17. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2022 9:27 am

  18. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2022 11:24 am

    An interesting article on the current Ukraine crisis

    Not to dismiss the monster putin is, but, as always, everything is shades of grey

    Using the territory as a western sphere of interest and even military base against Russia is the main game.

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2022 12:51 pm

    In the coming election, I won’t be concentrating too much on the major parties.
    The major threat to effective government will come from splinter groups like the “Voices for… Party”, Clive Palmer, One Nation, the Greens.
    It’s best to stick with mainstream parties, including the Australian Democrats

  20. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2022 1:41 pm

    It’s best to stick with mainstream parties, including the Australian Democrats

    Lots of Coalition supporters have given upon the Coalition so will now vote for a minor party. They are not even trying to get the budget back into surplus. In contrast Howard was running surplus budgets within 12 months of winning govt in 1996.

    People who believe in budget deficits have won. Lefties generally win in the long run. All a Conservative can do is try and slow down our decent into the abyss

  21. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2022 1:51 pm

    The Karens are out today 🙂

    Meanwhile, in the REAL world

  22. February 23, 2022 4:07 pm

    Ben Roberts-Smith’s defamation case in going “swimmingly well” (as in, it’s an utter train wreck).

    From the revelations unfolded so far, he sounds like a very nasty piece of work…

    But he wore the uniform……!!

    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/roberts-smith-asked-private-investigator-to-take-blame-for-threatening-letters-court-told-20220223-p59yxp.html

  23. Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2022 4:24 pm

    Ben Roberts-Smith’s defamation case

    And, just to be clear, he is the plaintiff, right?
    2022 is a gas

  24. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2022 6:23 pm

    This is what happens when govt takes over and free enterprise is destroyed

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/millionaires-club-among-federal-government-public-servants-balloons/ar-AAUbI9L?ocid=msedgntp

    A millionaires club within the ranks of Federal Government has ballooned with a huge jump in the number of bureaucrats who have become members.

    9News analysis has found an 11 per cent jump in seven-figure salaries in the past financial year.

    There are now 30 bureaucrats earning over a million dollars.

  25. February 23, 2022 7:06 pm

    Neil – should public servants be there to serve the Minister or the Public?

  26. February 23, 2022 7:28 pm

    In the coming election I’ll be “future oriented”. Will want a representative who’s prepared to invest; who understands that high levels of service(s) requires high levels of taxation; who puts Australia first and is not beholden to foreign interests.

    Hence my first preference will go to The Greens with my effective vote going to Labor.

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2022 7:38 pm

    The 21st Century Hitler … are wars programmed by the gods? For their pleasure?

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/photos-offer-insight-into-russian-president-vladimir-putins-mysterious-personal-life/news-story/a6c4ee3399c2747c38e11a3b8bcb2829

  28. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2022 7:39 pm

    Neil – should public servants be there to serve the Minister or the Public?

    They should not be on $1M/year of taxpayers money. Plus 15.4% Super.

  29. February 23, 2022 7:53 pm

    Neil, clearly you’re able to read the question BUT your answer doesn’t relate.

    So should they serve the Minister or the Public?

    And if it’s taxpayers money, can these taxpayers decide not to hand it over? Do these taxpayers decide what it will be spent on? Do they decide how much will be spent?

    In short, do these taxpayers decide the ‘when’, ‘how’, ‘why’ etc of the spending (or not) of this taxpayers money? If not, then perhaps it’s not taxpayers money after all?

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2022 7:56 pm

    re: Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2022 9:21 am

    I see freedum boys being free again

    Why hit households? Hit the con-men!

    Tom R permalink
    February 23, 2022 9:27 am

    Hear! Fucking! Hear!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Weird?

    In the coming election, I won’t be concentrating too much on the major parties.

    It’s best to stick with mainstream parties, including the Australian Democrats

    Has Lord ToM … lost his marbles???

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ahggggggg!

    They are not even trying to get the budget back into surplus… Howard was running surplus budgets within 12 months of winning govt in 1996!

    Kneel you are a Dick! Go to bed!

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Meanwhile, in the REAL world

    Election shite??? LOL!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But he wore the uniform……!!

    Thanks for your insight, reb! Judge one by many … you?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Hence my first preference will go to The Greens with my effective vote going to Labor.

    My choice last time, MN

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2022 8:05 pm

    By The By … re Tim “Dumb” Wilson!

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2022/02/23/tim-wilson-posters-zoe-daniel/

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2022 8:07 pm

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison has lashed Russia as a “thug and a bully” as he announced immediate sanctions over its actions towards Ukraine.

    All the more reason to not elect a religious driven “thug and a bully” …

  33. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2022 8:13 pm

    MN

    My answer is still the same. They should not be on $1M/year of taxpayers money. Plus 15.4% Super.

    Giving Public Servants so much money makes them think money is easy to get. They don’t appreciate it but think they deserve it.

  34. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2022 8:25 pm

    Kneel you are a Dick! Go to bed!

    TB

    WE have not run a surplus budget since 2007 racking up megabucks of govt debt. What did we build with that debt??

    Howard built more things running surplus budgets than any govt since 2007 running deficits

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2022 8:28 pm

    You’re right MN, the Greens are a party for public servants.

  36. February 23, 2022 8:29 pm

    Any visitor to Russia will learn that Putin is a popular hero because of his attempts to “Make Russia Great Again”. Russians are very proud of their history and dream of days past.

    Further, he’s changed the face of corruption across the Nation. Once, corruption could be found from “top to bottom”. It was “endemic”. But no more! Now, it’s concentrated at the very top. A one stop shop as it were.

  37. February 23, 2022 8:46 pm

    Yes, Tom. The Greens are in the business of “public service”, broadly defined. A great pity, more politicians aren’t.

  38. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    February 23, 2022 8:49 pm

    What is it with Liberal MPs and rape/domestic violence…??

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-23/former-wa-treasurer-admits-punching-kicking-melissa-hankinson/100854356

  39. February 23, 2022 9:16 pm

    But he admitted guilt on ONLY three of the charges. Three were then dropped. Nevertheless, when one admits guilt re:

    “pushing her in the face and repeatedly kicking her in the ribs, buttocks and legs as she lay on the ground”.

    Any extra convictions would be superfluous.

    But one does wonder what the preselection documentation looks like. A CV or a Rap sheet?

  40. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2022 9:46 pm

    MN

    The Greens are in the business of destroying Australia

  41. February 23, 2022 10:49 pm

    Neil re:

    … in the business of destroying …

    Perhaps it’s a matter of pace ?

  42. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2022 10:58 pm

    Yes i remember Keating. Unemployment at 11% when he became PM. In fact unemployment over 10% for more than 2 years around that time. Home loan interest rates at 18%. Companies going under left right and center.

    Keating is just another ALP person who wants to destroy Australia

  43. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2022 9:24 am

    At least we measured unemployment like the rest of the world did. Now, we just make numbers up as we go

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2022 10:39 am

    What is it with Liberal MPs and rape/domestic violence…??
    Did you get around to looking up the criminal cases of child abuse among politicians?

  45. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2022 10:51 am

    Yes, we did yomm, and discussed it. Unlike now, when, instead if discussing, you just fall back to “LOOK, OVER THERE”

    Hands up anyone who thinks yomm would ever vote for anyone but a lib?

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2022 11:11 am

    I know we’ve discussed that
    I was asking reb, because when I previously mentioned that his reply was a laughing emoji x 200
    I’m interested to know whether he caught up (like you did)

  47. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2022 11:38 am

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2022 12:01 pm

    What a company! Last week it was systemic racism and bullying. This week it is systemic polluting!
    After years of “high priority violations” of air pollution regulations at its Fremont, Calif., assembly plant, Tesla has been penalized by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
    The agency fined the electric car company $275,000

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2022 1:36 pm

    ***BREAKING NEWS!!***
    * Russia invades Ukraine
    * Sanctions are debated
    * War in Europe likely
    …but the major story of the day…the local Voices for Party candidate has been painting her new office!
    Welcome to the policy free zone of the Voices for Party

  50. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2022 2:23 pm

    Welcome to the policy free zone of the Voices for Party

    And freedum boy is busy fighting their corflutes on the beaches, on the landing grounds …..

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2022 3:32 pm

    Putin declares war!
    Apparently he’s fallen for Dutton’s election strategy, and Murdoch’s. Rupert is do cunning

  52. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2022 3:46 pm

    Biden’s wagging the dog doesn’t seem to be getting much traction with the voters.

  53. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2022 4:12 pm

    Apparently he’s fallen for Dutton’s election strategy

    Only yomm could get Russia and China mixed up

    oh, and dutton and murdoch 😉

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2022 4:17 pm

    Just 26% of Americans say the U.S. should play a major role in the Russia-Ukraine conflict in a new AP-NORC poll.

    Consistent with WW1 WW2 …

    China will now play the role of Japan (in WW2) and hit smaller countries in the east … while the USA is preoccupied in the West …

    Military plagiarism? Nah, shimple strategy … to rule the world …

  55. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2022 4:18 pm

    You must have missed the same narrative being used about Russia

  56. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 24, 2022 5:08 pm

    I wonder if Trump was President of the USA would Putin have invaded Ukraine??

  57. Tom R permalink
    February 24, 2022 7:04 pm

    You must have missed the same narrative being used about Russia

    I must have. But I’m sure you’ll be able to enlighten me 😉

    I wonder if Trump was President of the USA would Putin have invaded Ukraine??

    He wouldn’t need to, trump just kept giving him what he wanted anyway

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2022 7:48 pm

    You must have missed the same narrative being used about Russia

    WTF are you talking to, Sir ToM

    You never Loinx! you just randomly “comment” … what are smoking? Is your powder dry and your flint honed?

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2022 7:54 pm

    I wonder if Trump was President of the USA would Putin have invaded Ukraine??

    Nah!!! He’d have let Putin invade Canada!

    Trump thinks Putin is “savvy” a “genious” even the wankers think it was a “shocker”

    Let me pause for a second ……………… Trump needs ………….. to ………….go … to his maker ………… Putin!!!!!

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2022 8:29 pm

    Hey … hey .. just got a WordPress “like” from Isreal … astounding … even Isreal has political cynics …

  61. February 25, 2022 7:01 am

    An ‘explanation’ of sorts – too long in the making:

    Since Ukraine is a bulwark between Russia and NATO Europe, its refusal to commit to being a neutral country like Finland, Sweden, Ireland, Austria, and Cyprus (each of whom belong to the EU, but not NATO) looks now to have consigned it to being a client state of Russia like Belarus.

    Further:

    Also, Ukraine never gave the two eastern provinces (parts of which broke away) the self-governing autonomy they were promised in the Minsk Agreements.

    More here.

    https://johnmenadue.com/another-biden-blinken-blunder/

  62. February 25, 2022 7:15 am

    What would we do without PEARLS and IRRATIONS ?

    Another Global Times article alleged that sonobuoys can also be used to gather information on the performance capabilities and signatures of surface vessels. Was the Australian aircraft crew doing either of these? If so, the question then becomes who was trying to intimidate the other?

    The US produced P8As are armed with torpedoes, Harpoon anti-ship missiles and other weapons. Reportedly the closest it came to the Chinese warships was 2.4 miles. Did the Chinese commander consider this an ‘unsafe’ distance, harassment or a ‘provocation’, and if so, why?

    https://johnmenadue.com/china-australia-laser-incident-fact-and-fiction/

    Then again Menadue might be biased (and only publish …).

    John Laurence Menadue AO is an Australian businessman and public commentator, and formerly a senior public servant and diplomat. He served as Secretary of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet from 1975 to 1976, working under the Whitlam and Fraser governments.

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2022 9:01 am

    Yeah, let’s look for excuses for a brutal fascist dictatorship

  64. ivi permalink
    February 25, 2022 9:35 am

    (Indeed; one cannot even begin to comprehend why the ‘peaceful people of Ukraine’ – who may or may not have engaged in an a(nti-)democratic, specifically-anti-(ethno-)Russian coup; who may or may not have continued to disenfranchise some, and, thereby, perhaps most, of their fellow Ukrainian citizens, before/after setting their highly-motivated peacekeepers upon those deemed both Ukrainian and somehow-separate(d) from the Ukrainian people in Ukraine, and now become irrationally separatist; who may or may not have accepted billions upon tens of billions in not-at-all-corrupt moneys to expend on hitherto-(non-lethal?-)peacekeeping activities over the years; before offering themselves up as a very peaceful member and potential staging-ground of NATO’s creeping mission, as recently as mere days ago, right on(to) Russia’s doorstep – might have attracted the Dumas’ obviously unstrategic attentions; and so it goes….)

  65. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2022 10:35 am

    Yeah, let’s look for excuses for a brutal fascist dictatorship

    OR, accept that all sides suck, some just a bit more than others (but that also seems to depend on where you are standing at the time.)

    As someone mentioned, Russia is basically practicing what Israel has been for decades in Palestine. We just get a different interpretation of the Truths

    An interesting thread (and thanks for the Pearls and Wisdom’s link MN)

  66. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2022 10:46 am

    might have attracted the Dumas’ obviously unstrategic attentions;

    might?

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2022 10:51 am

    Wonder what will happen when the Aliens eventually turn up … 🤑

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2022 11:00 am

    Only yesterday a Chinese diplomat was trying to re-build relationships (however, beware the attempt at lulling us all into a sense of security).

    Dutton’s can be a dickhead …

    “China and Russia have entered into this frankly unholy alliance and President Xi has a lot of power he can exert over President Putin.

    “He has chosen not to do that. The world should observe that very closely.”

    (Think it – don’t say it publicly)

    However, I have, on occasion, to agree with Dutton …

    However, Mr Dutton claimed Australia, the US and its allies had done all they could to deter Mr Putin.

    “What more can the world do? There can be forces sent in and then you would be saying, ‘Why have we entered into a nuclear war?’” Mr Dutton told Nine.

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2022 11:02 am

    Israel is flawed, but it’s best to remember-
    * Its neighbour is committed to its destruction
    * It occupies (some of the) territory it occupies after being attacked in 1967
    * Parts of Israel were only about 10 km wide, making defence almost impossible
    * The Arab League declined to accept the legal establishment of Israel within its legally defined borders, and instead vowed to push it into the sea

  70. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 25, 2022 12:05 pm

    “As someone mentioned, Russia is basically practicing what Israel has been for decades in Palestine.”

    Reading that ludicrous lie is like eating dogshit – it is disgusting, sickening and something decent people would prefer not to have to do.

    Unlike Ukraine, Palestine has never existed as a country. It could have if the Palestinians had accepted the UN plan in 1948 as Israel did.

    Unlike the Ukrainians, the Palestinians instead chose the path of terror and murder. They say it is their Islamic duty.

    Unlike Russia, Israel gained territory in conflicts it did not start when Arab armies were trying to invade it and murder its Jewish citizens: in 1948 ( Egypt, Transjordan, Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon) , 1967 (Jordan, Syria and Egypt) and 1973 (Syria and Egypt).

    Palestinians now live in poverty under corrupt terrorist rulers. If they had an ounce of sense they would beg the Israelis to rule them. But they don’t. They raise their children with seething hatred for Jews. The Palestinians were Hitler’s allies in WWII, but unlike the Germans they have never renounced their murderous anti-Semitism.

  71. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2022 12:10 pm

    Some interesting graphics

    http://geacron.com/home-en/

  72. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2022 4:04 pm

    Our media really are the shits

  73. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2022 5:01 pm

    oops, sorry

  74. February 25, 2022 5:15 pm

    So Russia should have accepted hostile missiles on its doorstep, just like USA did with Cuba?

    Guess that’s what happens when you elect a comedian.

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2022 5:45 pm

    I’ll look upm the definition of false equivalence
    * USA didn’t invade Cuba
    * Didn’t fire a shot
    * USA had actual operational nuclear weapons stationed in Cuba and pointed at them
    * Imposed a naval quarantine to search for nuclear weapons
    * Imposed economic sanctions
    Do you notice the difference between what happened 60 years ago with Cuba, and Ukraine now?

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2022 6:07 pm

    Putin is a despotic maniac … among other things …

    Having nuclear missiles in you “backyard” makes you a target … Ukraine has none … yet.

    Issue here is if Russia takes Ukraine … where will Putin park his missiles?

    It was a massive problem in the UK in the ’50s 60’s …

    China could knock Australia out in eight strikes —- Canberra, Perth, Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Townsville and Darwin

    Lucky we don’t have nukes … and nuclear subs (yet) …

    If you have a weapon be prepared to use it.

    A weapon can always be used against you …

  77. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2022 6:57 pm

    Do you notice the difference between what happened 60 years ago with Cuba, and Ukraine now?

    Russia backed off?

  78. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2022 7:00 pm

    oops, sorry

    Prince Andrews case got dropped as well.

    So what??

  79. February 25, 2022 8:12 pm

    Yes Tom R – “Russia did back off”. Why didn’t ToM mention that?

    And while ToM’s piece is loaded with ‘facts’, it demonstrates that, while facts are necessary,(indeed essential), they are never sufficient.

    The problem (with any argument) is usually not a shortage of facts but their over-abundance. Indeed they are often in plague proportions The issue (often) becomes not what (facts) to include but what to leave out. Thus, the selection becomes crucial.

    Then there’s the “meaning” to be given to the selection(s) made. Yes, different meaning(s) can be given to the same facts. And often are. Just ask any historian.

    Best to leave it there for the moment.

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2022 9:05 pm

    Yeah right MN.
    I think you’ve just owned up to false equivalence
    … there’s too many facts in my discussion. How inconvenient

  81. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2022 9:38 pm

    How inconvenient

    What’s inconvenient is the facts you leave out 😉

  82. February 25, 2022 10:21 pm

    Yes ToM, apparently you see a “false equivalence” based on certain “facts” etc as chosen by you. And you are entitled to that view. We are not talking about TRUTH here are we? At least I make no such (truth) claims.

    But perhaps you might entertain the possibility that there are other “facts”. Other “interpretations” and indeed other “equivalences” (at least at the conceptual level) which are somewhat different to the ones you chose?

    For example, we might theorise that both the USA (way back when) and Russia (more recently) believed/perceived/felt that their security was threatened by (nuclear) missiles stationed “close at hand”. Fact or not?

    Both threatened Nations attempted to “negotiate” in the hope of ending/removing that threat.

    In the first instance, the USA was not attacked because the “negotiation” was successful (and for a whole range of reasons not yet discussed) and Russia backed off, after some significant concessions not made public at that time.

    In the second instance, the “negotiation” was unsuccessful (actually a realistic negotiation didn’t happen). Fact or not?

    See any parallels? Or if you don’t can you see how others might?

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2022 10:21 pm

    Which facts are they? The fact that sanctions are regarded as a diplomatic measure?
    So the USA didn’t move beyond diplomacy

  84. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2022 10:40 pm

    USA (way back when) and Russia (more recently) believed/perceived/felt that their security was threatened by (nuclear) missiles stationed “close at hand”.
    Do you understand the difference between-
    * nuclear weapons actually being pointed at you, and
    * the possibility of nuclear weapons being pointed at you, maybe, one day, which is unknow, maybe. But there’s no guarantee. That’s a definite maybe.
    Keep looking for ways to excuse a brutal dictatorship

  85. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2022 10:46 pm

    Yeah right yomm.
    I think you’ve just owned up to false equivalence

  86. February 25, 2022 10:47 pm

    Did NATO lead Ukraine down the metaphorical garden path? (And it was led!) So to what extent was the leadership willing to be led? What promises (actual and implied) were made? How long before they (the promises) surface?

    Given Russia will lose financially (because of the sanctions) which nations/companies will likely benefit? Do such companies make financial, political contributions? (Silly question – because in the USA that’s how it works.)

    So many questions that might be asked (and should) but won’t be.

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2022 10:55 pm

    Don’t blame Ukraine being lead. In 2014, the former Ukraine leader was removed from office by a vote to 380 to 0 (that’s ZERO) in the Ukraine legislature
    Were they all lead by western propaganda and promises?
    Ukraine wants to face west. Not east, that’s the choice you and Putin don’t want to give them

  88. February 25, 2022 11:05 pm

    Re:

    nuclear weapons actually being pointed at you,

    Not sure how you determine whether the missiles are actually pointed at you or not. As I understand it, they are pointed and fired towards the sky with final guidance coming after launch.

    Accordingly, it’s reasonably safe to assume that the Cuban missiles were/would be guided towards the USA and the NATO missiles will be guided towards either Russia (or China). Or are you suggesting it might be … ? (Suggestions welcome.)

  89. February 25, 2022 11:22 pm

    Re:

    Keep looking for ways to excuse a brutal dictatorship

    Childish bullshit. Throw whatever pejorative descriptors you like towards/about Putin and I will most probably agree.

    But that’s not the point! Largely because they (usually) become distractions. Surely we can do better than that? Certainly not here to defend Putin. After all I’ve been to Russia. Lol/

    So let’s entertain the possibility that ALL right/wrong and/or ALL good/bad is NOT confined to one side. Things are much more complicated than that.

  90. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2022 11:23 pm

    * There are no nuclear weapons in Ukraine. But Russia invaded
    * There were nuclear weapons in Cuba. But USA didn’t invade
    Do you notice the difference?

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2022 11:27 pm

    “it’s complicated” is a lame excuse. It’s no different to the excuse a wife beater uses and Putin is the equivalent of a wife beater.
    * She made me do it
    * It didn’t turn out as I expected
    * She was seeing someone else
    * I felt inadequate
    Putin is a small man and you’re welcome to side with him

  92. Tom R permalink
    February 25, 2022 11:28 pm

    Things are much more complicated than that.

    Heads up, yomm doesn’t do ‘shades’ too well 😉

  93. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2022 11:34 pm

    You’re welcome to side with (or excuse) the international equivalent of a wife beater too Tom R.

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2022 11:39 pm

    And we see here left types looking for ways to excuse the brutality of Putin.
    Just as Tom R denied

  95. February 25, 2022 11:40 pm

    Tom is a simple man. And apparently proud of it.

    There are no shades of grey in Tom’s world! Yet he claims to know a good red from …

  96. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2022 12:00 am

    You’re welcome to side with

    Link?

    Just as Tom R denied

    Link?

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 26, 2022 5:52 am

    MN, you just object to facts. You tried to diminish the aggression of Russia by drawing a parallel with events of 60 years ago.
    The facts don’t support you.

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 26, 2022 11:06 am

    “grey areas”
    * Ukraine experienced generations of Russian domination
    * Ukraine decided they didn’t want more of it
    * Russia invades Ukraine and starts the slaughter
    …can you explain what is “grey” about that

  99. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2022 12:28 pm

    This is true:

  100. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2022 12:36 pm

    The millions China paid to the Bidens is paying off:

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2022 1:11 pm

    Lord ToM,

    * nuclear weapons actually being pointed at you, and
    * the possibility of nuclear weapons being pointed at you, maybe, one day

    I can only assume that you are aware of what the acronym ICBM stands for?

    NATO members with nuclear weapons can reach China and Russia – anyfknwhere!, if they are silly enough to push the button. Nukes in Ukraine are unnecessary.

    And what happened in the ’60’s is irrelevant to the argument …

    … and BTW, JFK did support a failed invasion of Cuba @ The Bay of Pigs … and … shots were fired … and the US Navy’s “interactions” with the Russian Navy were not without risk

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2022 1:11 pm

    BREAKING!

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2022 1:29 pm

    For Lord ToM

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteen_Days_(film)

    Only a film but a good one … on the subject … I actully went looking for an B&W newsreel I once saw, showing a (minor) collision between a Russian freighter and USN frigate …

  104. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2022 1:47 pm

    Nasal Spray Kills COVID-19, Now Approved in India & Israel Bahrain Indonesia & Thailand

    The vax makers (and their stooge Anthony Fauci) won’t like this.

  105. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2022 1:58 pm

    Should they talk?

  106. ivi permalink
    February 26, 2022 3:06 pm

    (…can you explain what is “grey” about that

    Que?)

  107. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2022 4:58 pm

    #QuevNotQuiev or #KyivNotKiev ?

    spending another eternity waiting on yomm to apologize for his unfounded slurs … again

    While I wait, some reflex-tions

    The dead gave us the time to live and now our time is done

  108. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 26, 2022 6:47 pm

    Read the Michael Dobbs account TB

  109. tomofmelbourne@mail.com permalink
    February 26, 2022 6:53 pm

    https://www.michaeldobbsbooks.com/one-minute-to-midnight.html

    It’s worth reading and quite illuminating for those that are trying to draw a parallel with Russia declaration of war against Ukraine

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2022 7:52 pm

    er Lord ToM … I’m not drawing a parallel …

    Your comprehension is atrocious! You must have attended a christian all boys school … and conveniently avoided the real world …

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    February 26, 2022 7:53 pm

    Aw shit! You provided a linque … wow … congrats!

  112. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2022 10:59 pm

    fer yomm

    I’m patient 🙂

  113. Tom R permalink
    February 26, 2022 11:01 pm

  114. February 26, 2022 11:31 pm

    Perhaps it might be worth reading (and viewing) for those that are trying to NOT draw a parallel.

    Facts … are like fish swimming about in a vast and sometimes inaccessible ocean; and what the historian catches will depend, partly on chance, but mainly on what part of the ocean he chooses to fish in and what tackle he chooses to use – these two factors being, of course, determined by the kind of fish he wants to catch.

    By and large, the historian will get the kind of facts he wants.

    https://www.historytoday.com/archive/making-history/fishing-facts

    Yes Michael Dobbs has written AN account. And that should be taken into account. But it will never be a definitive one.

    As implied above, interpretations can’t be about some form of absolute truth. A state of flux is the norm.

  115. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2022 9:14 am

    On any objective measure, Putin is an expansionist, brutal, murderous, unrelenting dictator, who should be resisted. Any understanding or accommodation will be used as a wedge
    That’s the “grey area”

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2022 10:35 am

    Agree, ToM, and it dawned on me this morning (must have been the thunder that awoke me) Ukraine isn’t a member of NATO … but the concept of “history rhymes” kicks in …eg WW2 – Germany sends troops into Rhineland and occupies, then Czechoslovakia invasion, – no action from the West … finally, an invasion ( confected by Germany) need for invading Poland … BOOM … the West totally unprepared (???) lethargically recognises there will not be “Peace in Our Time” …

    The Russians are using a tactic they call “deep strike” – the Germans (Guderian) devised the concept originally called “blitzkrieg” …

    My suspicion is that the West is fearful of a madman (Putin) having access to quite a few red buttons … Hitler had one thing going for him … most Germans supported him and many had nothing to lose and everything to gain with war … not this time for Putin.

  117. February 27, 2022 10:38 am

    Re:

    Putin is an expansionist, brutal, murderous, unrelenting dictator …

    Indeed he is! And perhaps even worse. But, of course, that’s been known for decades – even by the information poor observer. The informed, on the other hand, know not to tease that particular Bear. The claws are far too sharp.

    So why did those with supposed good will in their hearts encourage, (then sit back and spectate), a former comedian to poke that Russian Bear in the eye?

    Perhaps it’s because they (the spectators) are war weary? So for the other it’s a case of: Give me liberty, or give me death!

    While the INTENTION may be honorable, the OUTCOME is likely to be a disaster. As for the ETHICS …

  118. February 27, 2022 11:07 am

    So this morning, Morrison is off to what is described on the ABC as an Iranian Catholic Church . No doubt there will be cameras aplenty.

    The irony is that the majority of Iranians are Orthodox , in terms of religious belief. Not Catholic.

    In the 11th Century (1054) the “Great Schism” happened with the Catholics and the Orthodox going their separate ways.

    But Morrison isn’t there for the Orthodox, it’s the Catholic vote he wants (and will probably get.)

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2022 1:05 pm

    But Morrison isn’t there for the Orthodox, it’s the Catholic vote he wants (and will probably get.)

    Jesus Christ!

  120. February 27, 2022 1:29 pm

    So Biden:

    asked Congress on Friday to approve $6.4 billion in aid to address the humanitarian and security crisis in Ukraine after Russia invaded the country this week

    Politically it’s very risky. Remember the weapons, other treasure etc lost in Afghanistan not so long ago. The cause of much angst. Is a repeat on the radar? But he can’t really sit on his hands – can he?. Not having much luck.

    Should talk to Morrison about miracles.

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2022 1:39 pm

    LOL!

    Hope and prayers … ??? 😎

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2022 3:14 pm

    Weatherzone weather forecast Brisbane:

    Chance of rain: 90% 😮 100%

    Amount of rain: 20/40% 🤪 Almost 80mm since 9:00am!

    Fire danger: Moderate 🤣 NIL!!

    UV Index: Extreme 😵 Ya reckon?

    LOL! 😎

    Its been tropical downpour for four friggin’ days … 24 hours a day …

    Thanks goodness we experienced flooding, near the coast, with out first home and built this one on a hill!

  123. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2022 4:18 pm

    How brilliant and cunning is Murdoch for getting Putin to invade Ukraine, so that Morrison can look like a wartime leader!!

  124. February 27, 2022 4:38 pm

    Live on the side of a hill. Just one from the top. Heaviest rain I can remember (locally) and for the longest. Bucketing down!

    A few decades ago was camped at Lawn Hill in the Gulf – (320 km North of Mt Isa). Unbelievable 15 inches in 2 hours (Ranger’s Gauge). Driving a Holden Statesman V8 (work supplied). Couldn’t get out for 3 days (all dirt in those days) and Leave was over.

    A very quick, long, tiring drive back to Brisbane – (2 100 + km). Soon retired, then bought a Patrol to do the Big Lap.

    https://parks.des.qld.gov.au/parks/boodjamulla-lawn-hill

  125. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2022 4:44 pm

    Are you ready to say sorry yet yomm?

    Meanwhile, back in the real world (ish)

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2022 5:41 pm

    Guess where Slomo is this arvo? No, not Hawaii!

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2022 5:49 pm

    How brilliant and cunning is Murdoch for getting Putin to invade Ukraine

    I don’t see any ** denoting “sarc”, Lord ToM?

    But who owns Fox News again? (one among many)

    Mordoch is not cunning he’s a nasty old prick … as for brilliant, nah, I think Dad and Pop Mordoch laid the groundwork … not sure the nasty caught on with all the Mordoch siblings tho”

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2022 5:51 pm

    Potato Head at its best … his silent supporter (enabler) Lukey Howarth will be right (see what I did there?) behind (and again!) him … coupla right (hoho) poncers …

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2022 6:00 pm

    bought a Patrol to do the Big Lap (I worked for qld distributor for 16 years)

    Heaviest rain I ever experienced was Tabubil, PNG Highland (Ok Tedi) – they get up to 3M a year … my first experience literally took my breathe away … my host and his wife sniggered in the background.

    Speaking of Nissan … I swam out of the workshop in Brisbane in 1974, 4m over the road, pitch black and one of our group of five couldn’t swim … then an exciting ride home in the Honda 360 Scamp … the engine actually started under water after I was swamped by an oncoming car. Fun at the time … these days, nah

  130. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2022 6:20 pm

    And with regard to Ukraine’s President being a “comedian”
    He ran a successful television production company.
    That’s probably a resume as good as being a career political hack

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2022 7:24 pm

    That’s probably a resume as good as being a career political hack

    Or a bloody competent President … if only we could find an Australian for the role … no queens need apply …

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2022 7:26 pm

    Just heard on the news my suburb has received 700mm in 24 hours … move to a hill … NOW! Well – as soon as you can …

    This rain has been relentless!

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2022 7:54 pm

    I love these … used ’em in training for “observation” in Identifying Hazards:

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/optical-illusion-reveals-your-personality-optical-illusion-tells-you-about-your-personality/news-story/7f793abb6e94eca30e97d0830657494d

    What did you see Lord ToM?

  134. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2022 8:59 pm

    I don’t really need to look at a photo to get a personality assessment.
    I’m married

  135. Tom R permalink
    February 27, 2022 9:47 pm

    yomms personality assessment

  136. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2022 10:25 pm

    I’ve just lodged my request to join a group called-
    “Vladimir Putin LM leader of the world”
    There was a section that asked why I wanted to join. I answered – because I’d like to tell your 17k members that Putin is a fascist dictator who murders his political opponents”
    I haven’t heard back from them yet

  137. February 27, 2022 10:28 pm

    Tom, the President of Ukraine (the successful television producer) claimed again and again that the Nation was “prepared”. Yes he was well scripted for his TV appearances.

    Yet we witnessed what can only be regarded as ‘last minute panic’. What with well intentioned Chemistry students making and handing out Molotov Cocktails. Rifles distributed to untrained citizens. Jammed highways. Women fleeing with children in arms. Etc etc.

    In terms of “preparation” it was farcical. (This was not a rehearsal for a TV production. No “cuts”. No second shoots. No clapperboards)

    Putin can’t lose this invasion and in so many senses. His reputation as a strategist is on the line – both domestically and internationally. If he loses militarily against these relatively ill-equipped “amateurs” he will be a laughing stock, at home and abroad. So, because he MUST win he’ll he’ll go to any length. Sink to unimagined depths.

    Hopefully a “surrender” is nigh.

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2022 10:36 pm

    It will be like Northern Ireland plus Afghanistan x 1000
    As it should be

  139. February 27, 2022 10:47 pm

    Notice that Morrison is channeling ‘aid’ through NATO. Wise, politically at least.

    His government’s record in the administration stakes leaves much to be desired and when the ‘aid’ falls into the wrong hands he can absolve himself of responsibility. He can give the States a rest.

    Morrison must be seriously considering an early election. Plenty of ‘khaki’ on the screens; roads and bridges awash. A really good time.

    And he has visions. He knows God moves in mysterious ways. It’s Time!

  140. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2022 9:12 am

    Despite the posturing, Morriscum didn’t move the needle in the latest Newspoll.

  141. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2022 11:19 am

    Kind words from Dill Gates. Maybe all of our politicians can take some credit, apart from the murderously incompetent and disgustingly corrupt Stairman, Redshirt Dan:

    <blockquote“If every country does what Australia did, then you wouldn’t be calling [the next outbreak] a pandemic,” Gates, a health philanthropist who has dedicated billions of dollars to vaccine research, said at the annual Munich Security Conference earlier this month.

    Gates cited Australia’s Covid response as the gold standard to follow.

  142. Tom R permalink
    February 28, 2022 12:11 pm

    Gates cited Australia’s Covid response as the gold standard to follow.

    And Stairman, Redshirt Dan WAS the Gold Standard. If he had done what NSW did, when we didn’t haven’t vaccines to protect, the story would have been different.

    At least it mentioned our biggest defense, we are an island

  143. Tom R permalink
    February 28, 2022 12:11 pm

    The spittle of scare campaigns gushing from its gaping maw over the last few weeks are only consistent in their relentlessness.
    ..
    If you feel hatred bubbling for the political classes now, just give it a month or two – you’ll be a fully fledged Sith by election day.

    It is depraved, fucked up, self-interested – the sort of thing only a psychopathic shitheel would do.

    Across human history there is no force more powerful for change, or stasis, than the stories we tell ourselves, and Australia’s are divorced from reality. Our tales paper over rot and decay. They are paint on asbestos, Polyfilla in a moral chasm. They are why things are allowed to stay the way they are.

    A pretty bleak look at our landscape. A pretty accurate look at our landscape

    https://theshot.net.au/general-news/the-myth-of-australia/

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 28, 2022 12:36 pm

    Gold standard Dan
    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  145. Tom R permalink
    February 28, 2022 1:11 pm

    So, lying asshat yomm, Did Victoria stop the virus escaping to other states, unlike what NSW did, on multiple occasions?

  146. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2022 1:24 pm

    Going for gold alright – gold standard criminal negligence. Hasn’t a Victorian government agency been charged with breaches of the Occupational Health and Safety Act?

  147. Tom R permalink
    February 28, 2022 3:00 pm

    Hasn’t a Victorian government agency been charged with breaches of the Occupational Health and Safety Act?

    Yes. Criminal though? I think you’ll need to look north of the border for that 😉

  148. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2022 3:22 pm

    This could be the most effective sanction of all:

  149. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2022 3:48 pm

    “Yes. Criminal though?”

    Yes.

    Indictable offences are crimes prosecuted under the Criminal Procedure Act. 41 of the 58 charges are under s.23 of the OHSA which is as follows:

    OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH AND SAFETY ACT 2004 – SECT 23 Duties of
    Duties of employers to other persons

    (1) An employer must ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that persons other than employees of the employer are not exposed to risks to their health or safety arising from the conduct of the undertaking of the employer.

    Penalty: 1800 penalty units for a natural person;

    9000 penalty units for a body corporate.

    (2) An offence against subsection (1) is an indictable offence.

    Note to s. 23(2) amended by No. 68/2009 s. 97(Sch. item 90.2).

    Note

    However, the offence may be heard and determined summarily (see section 28 of the Criminal Procedure Act 2009 ).

  150. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2022 3:57 pm

  151. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2022 5:54 pm

    Is this true?

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    February 28, 2022 7:35 pm

    Just popped in … no internet … all day …

    So much BS above not worth replying …

    ‘cept for one …

    I’m married

    You’re what??? Please give my sympathies to the poor lady …

  153. February 28, 2022 7:37 pm

    Speaking about a Nation selling this or that can be somewhat misleading. It’s often reported that Australia, for example, sold a record amount of X to nation Y. And while that may be true (at a level of generality) it’s often the case that it’s Company M (in Australia) selling to Company N in another nation.

    More often than not the goods/service etc are already in transit. To complicate matters, these ‘deals’ are long standing. And if they are to continue after all this is over, it will be remembered which company delivered and which didn’t.

    Sanctions take time. Sanction busting can be lucrative.

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    February 28, 2022 7:37 pm

    Is this true?

    If you posted it – probably not … truth and splats comments seem to hit the wall together! 😎

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    February 28, 2022 7:40 pm

    Sanctions take time. Sanction busting can be lucrative.

    Then its time Australians were informed that the Chinese automotive building industry is struggling (around the world) to make a marque (pun 😉) and in OZ sales are booming – particularly the Cinese MG (advert – Since 1924 … gmafb!)

  156. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 28, 2022 10:04 pm

    The Russian central bank is preventing foreign owners of shares from selling.
    That should promote lots of confidence.

  157. February 28, 2022 10:56 pm

    Tonight, 4 Corners broadcast the depressing reality of “democracy” in Putin’s Russia. The real worry is that it would be a revelation for so many.

    “ACTIVE and INFORMED CITIZENS” is central to the National Goals for Schooling but what about the current citizens?

    Wallowing in ignorance? Or just disinterest?

  158. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 28, 2022 11:00 pm

    “Active and informed citizens”***
    ***(conditions apply)

  159. Tom R permalink
    March 1, 2022 10:16 am

    ***(conditions apply)

    I hope the conditions aren’t too onerous, you know, like talking shit about people and then ignoring it like it didn’t happen.

    Meanwhile, Russia look like they have bitten off more than they can chew. Will this be the end of Putin? (we can all dream)

    And, how will Russians in Ukraine fair?

    From reports (and, yes, who knows what’s real or not) captured Russian soldiers are being treated very well, and the soldiers themselves appear to not understand why they are not being treated as heroes rescuing the Ukrainians from oppression.

    Interesting to see if this accurate, or just propaganda?

  160. Tom R permalink
    March 1, 2022 10:17 am

    Sucked shit clive

  161. March 1, 2022 10:39 am

    This bloke (who speaks a whole variety of languages including Russian etc) provides interesting insights into everyday life in Ukraine. First – the day before the invasion from a town/village on the Russian/Ukraine border. Second – on a refugee train leaving Ukraine.

  162. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 1, 2022 11:36 am

    The utter stupidity of wokeness:

  163. Tom R permalink
    March 1, 2022 11:46 am

    The utter stupidity of calling everything ‘woke’

  164. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 1, 2022 12:15 pm

    Pretty funny coming from the unwaveringly leftist Dreg Jericho.

    Wokeness isn’t an epithet for everything. I rarely if ever label your nonsense as wokeness. It is reserved for those really stupid ideas leftist mongrels are trying to force down our throats and the vituperative cancel tactics they use to destroy dissenters. And then there is the funny side to this epidemic of imbecility:

  165. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 1, 2022 1:31 pm

    In the past 6 months the Russian stock market has fallen about 50%.
    About 30% in the past week
    Good.

  166. Tom R permalink
    March 1, 2022 2:21 pm

    Pretty funny coming from the unwaveringly leftist Dreg Jericho.
    ..
    It is reserved for those really stupid ideas leftist mongrels

    Yea, lefties that write on economics and backs it all up with … [gasp] facts and charts.

    Does this mean you are the opposite of wokens? snorens?

  167. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 1, 2022 4:05 pm

    I didn’t say Dreg is woke.

    I gave an example in the previous post – more to do with moronic musical decisions than economics. Perfectly illustrates the stupidity of the woke wankocracy.

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    March 1, 2022 7:52 pm

    The utter stupidity of wokeness: pretty much the same as those … what is it again … stupid lack of ideas rightist mongrels … to coin a splats frase …

    BTW I’m still trying to figure out WTF woke is?

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    March 1, 2022 7:58 pm

    … more to do with moronic musical decisions than economics. Perfectly illustrates the stupidity of the woke wankocracy.

    Have you caught up with, Lord ToM, in the “smoking” room?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    In the past 6 months the Russian stock market has fallen about 50%.
    About 30% in the past week
    Good.

    Indeed, m’Lord, we seem to agree more and more … I’m impressed.

    (Curtsy back three paces and turn – yes I fkn have!! Grrr)

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    March 1, 2022 8:20 pm

    Here’s a bit of right wing mongrel bias … note one sided story …

    And no I’m not a supporter of FitzSimons and I have no idea who Peter Ford is …

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/peter-fitzsimons-cops-a-serve-from-peter-ford-over-alan-jones-tweet/news-story/6a45932e566aa8742a80979ea9468041

    Disclaimer : I’m a Republican (not one of those wanker US republicans – refer splats) but I don’t think FitzSimons is the man for the job to remove The Firm from Oz – unfortunately …

  171. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 1, 2022 8:26 pm

    This is a really good view on the Ukraine situation and implications for Putin (and the rest of us)…

  172. March 1, 2022 9:38 pm

    From the linked article: (an aside)

    “if Poland just halts truck and rail traffic from Russia to Germany, “as it should,” it would create immediate havoc for Russia’s economy,”

    Leaving Belarus and entering Poland has long been an ordeal. Passports are collected (on the bus) and delivered to an Office. Some (long) time later, an Officer (from Belarus) boards the bus and matches passport to person. (No smiling allowed – and that applies whenever meeting officialdom in this neck of the woods).

    The record time for official clearance to depart Belarus (so I’m told) is/was 18 hours. A long time to be sitting on a bus. Known to order the unloading of every port and detailed investigation of each and every item within. Acts of pure bastardry but they want secure borders.

    Cheers when clearance finally granted to depart; only to be followed by groans when the bus is stopped a short distance further down the road. This time it’s the Polish border guards who can sometimes prove that bastardry can be replicated. Perhaps why most only go to Russia once. (And there are other reasons as well.)

    So “havoc” is (in a sense) the norm.

    And yes the article is a good one. Where, when and how will it end?

  173. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2022 9:22 am

    Dear Leader has a cough.

    He’s so negative, I bet the test even came back ‘non-negative’

  174. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2022 10:12 am

    So woke they can’t even agree.

    fyi, I’m in the middle here. It’s good to get views, especially from pullitzer winners. I disagree with his (friedmans) call though, on almost every level.

    This isn’t an 18th century war, Putin is NOT a madman, he is rat cunning, and calling him a madman I think plays into his larger game.

    And we have been in/at war for the past 20 years, where everything has streamed live (almost). This is nothing ‘new’

    The questions were good, but his answers (imo) were clouded by his ‘Putin = Madman’ bias. he needs to think deeper.

    I read an article the other day, which to me made more sense. The attack is not about taking over Ukraine. It is about forcing a reaction from NATO, and gauging that it will not come. In the desire to expose NATO as a toothless tiger that Ukraine is better off without.

    The NATO cloud has hung over Russia for decades, and he wants it gone, one way or another. This, to me, makes more sense than Putin = madman. He has shown his entire career he is ruthless, but cunningly so.

  175. March 2, 2022 11:00 am

    “So woke they can’t even agree.”

    LOL…..!!!

    “This isn’t an 18th century war, Putin is NOT a madman, he is rat cunning, and calling him a madman I think plays into his larger game.”

    Yes good point. Friedman was being a little simplistic in the respect.

    But not as simplistic as say Dutton – who is just completely out of his depth intellectually on almost every geo-political crisis he cares to comment on.

    I do however, think that Putin has over-reached. It appears he was expecting Ukraine to simply roll over and surrender when the Russian troops strolled in but this hasn’t happened.

    It’ll be interesting to see how it pans out, but he’s rapidly running out money.

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 2, 2022 11:17 am

    Putin is a cunning psychopath and meets the definition of a true fascist. He understands only pressure and pain
    That’s what the world has to deal with

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    March 2, 2022 11:23 am

    Another Guttertrash prediction comes true!

    TB Queensland permalink
    February 27, 2022 5:51 pm

    Potato Head at its best … his silent supporter (enabler) Lukey Howarth will be right (see what I did there?) behind (and again!) him … coupla right (hoho) poncers …

    Mr Dutton and government colleague Luke Howarth, who represents the nearby Petrie electorate, launched similar GoFundMe pages on Sunday as south-east Queensland weathered the tail end of its wettest week on record.

    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/very-unwise-questions-swirl-over-coalition-mps-flood-fundraisers-20220301-p5a0lr.html

    I’m chuffed to say that I had the dubious pleasure of kicking Mr Howarth out of my lounge … before he became a “‘politician”

    https://www.liberal.org.au/member/luke-howarth

    For a decade he worked as a sales representative for Toombul Music and Sony Australia, before joining the family business as Managing Director for Sandgate Pest Control.

    Toombul; Music closed in 2008 … Sandgate Pest Control was his father’s business – Lukey had no idea what he was doing … and still doesn’t.

  178. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2022 12:06 pm

    I do however, think that Putin has over-reached.

    Could be, or he could have suspected they would fight hard. Ukraine is not an unkown to him. He just may not care.

    Putin is a cunning psychopath and meets the definition of a true fascist. He understands only pressure and pain

    Which is why I think he just doesn’t care. He thought he was backed into a corner, and saw perhaps a way out.

    But not as simplistic as say Dutton

    A potatoe isn’t that simplistic. Speaking of which, I did note friedmen tying it all in with China. He knows his audience (and it wasn’t specifically those of us watching)

  179. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 2, 2022 12:10 pm

    Neither is woke. Reb is the shining light that illuminates this sordid dungeon and Dreg is just another stupid cunt.

  180. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 2, 2022 12:13 pm

    Also, Putin is cunning. He knows a feckless fool when he sees one. Which he invaded countries under Bush, Obama (who practically invited him to do so) and Biden who also gave him a nod and a wink.

  181. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 2, 2022 12:17 pm

    And California is about to get its own Ministry of Truth. It will probably serve a similar function to the ABC’s fact checking unit – reinforcing leftist lies and bashing conservatives.

  182. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2022 12:18 pm

    Which he invaded countries under Bush, Obama (who practically invited him to do so) and Biden who also gave him a nod and a wink.

    There is one glaring omission there. One who congratulated him on how clever he was. And who gave him far more than a nod and a wink

  183. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2022 12:29 pm

    And California is about to get its own Ministry of Truth

    So, this is what you call putting out Health Advice? ffs

  184. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 2, 2022 12:39 pm

    There is one glaring omission there.

    Yes. The one who didn’t start any wars and who kept Putin in check.

  185. March 2, 2022 12:42 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  186. March 2, 2022 12:42 pm

    “Reb is the shining light that illuminates this sordid dungeon”

    You can stick around here for as long as you like.

  187. March 2, 2022 12:46 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  188. ivi permalink
    March 2, 2022 1:07 pm

    (Wallowing in ignorance? Or just disinterest?

    Erm; one is not entirely sure that Quiet(ed) Australians, living their best post-truthiness lives, necessarily would appreciate anything other than a(n in)consistent diet of (un)critical neo(lib)con sentiment(s); perhaps.)

  189. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2022 1:18 pm

    who kept Putin in check.

    by, ‘in check’, did you mean ‘enabled’?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-s-syria-pullout-aiding-russia-turkey-when-america-stopped-ncna1070551

  190. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 2, 2022 2:38 pm

    So where does this leave ‘Shock and Awe’ Bush?

  191. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 2, 2022 3:44 pm

    “Worth a read…

    As I get closer to needing to be put in a retirement home this sort of incompetence becomes more frightening.

  192. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 2, 2022 3:53 pm

    Dementia Joe – the man with his finger on the nuclear trigger:
    BIDEN: “Putin may circle Kyiv with tanks, but he’ll never gain the hearts and souls of the ‘Iranian’ people.”

  193. March 2, 2022 4:34 pm

    From Splat’s link…

    Russian forces may make military progress in the short term. Biden acknowledged that the weeks or months ahead will be hard on Ukrainians, with a spillover on the world and its markets.

    But Putin is betting his political future on whether Russia can prevail long-term in Ukraine. “Putin’s gamble seems to be that he can be in charge of what comes next, how far and wide this spreads,” Karen J. Greenberg, the director of the Center on National Security at Fordham Law School, told me.

    “That is a foolish lack of appreciation for the power nato and the other countries have to contain his incursion—and in that lies his miscalculation.”

  194. March 2, 2022 4:43 pm

    Domain: The crashing ruble gives young Australian first home buyers an opportunity to buy in some of Moscow’s more overlooked suburbs.

  195. Tom R permalink
    March 2, 2022 4:44 pm

    So where does this leave ‘Shock and Awe’ Bush?

    In the same camp as howard.

    and in that lies his miscalculation.

    Well, that is yet to be seen. It depends on Bidens reaction. Let’s hope he isn’t as splats portrays him.

  196. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 3, 2022 9:36 am

    I actually thought that this was Trump’s strategy. It doesn’t appear to be working so well for Biden – probably because he is too senile to know what a strategy is:
    https://ibb.co/9NPxHLc

  197. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 3, 2022 9:37 am

  198. March 3, 2022 10:40 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  199. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 3, 2022 12:15 pm

    She’s a complete stunner. I wonder if she has had her way with Ms Unvaxxed Waxed And Ready To Climax you referred us to in an earlier thread.

  200. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 3, 2022 12:20 pm

    Another self described family man politician bites the dust:

    Perhaps his straying could be explained by the high level of service the ISIS Bride provided to him.

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    March 3, 2022 3:31 pm

    Longest storm I’ve ever experienced from 1 am to 11 am … and by all accounts heading back to Brissy as I type.

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    March 3, 2022 5:42 pm

    … the high level of service the ISIS Bride provided to him.

    Surely he was supposed to provide her with succour?

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    March 3, 2022 7:12 pm

    splats, have you ever been to the USofA?

  204. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 4, 2022 8:47 am

    Five trips to the US. One in the late 70s, the others in the 2000s. I got up the world trade centre in Feb 2001.

    “Surely he was supposed to provide her with succour?”

    You can read about the level of service expected if you click this link and scroll down to the screenshot. Don’t click the link if you have a weak stomach.

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    March 4, 2022 11:17 am

    Too subtle for you, splats?

  206. March 4, 2022 11:46 am

    An interesting read on Putin’s war…

    https://www.thesgnl.com/2022/03/russian-invasion-ukraine-anders-aslund/

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    March 4, 2022 1:24 pm

    Yeah, reb, good read … well thought out arguments and conclusions.

    We’ll all be feeling for a long after it “ends”.

    Market right now is 69 points down – was 100 down last time I checked.

    Action and reaction!

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    March 4, 2022 1:27 pm

    Speaking of “reaction”

    Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba warned that if the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant “blows up it will be 10 times larger than Chernobyl”, as the plant’s spokesman called for an immediate halt to the heavy weapons fire.

    The International Atomic Energy Agency has also warned of “severe danger” if the reactors are hit.

    https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-russia-conflict-live-updates-putins-threat-to-destroy-as-civilian-targets-hit/news-story/1d63b3cd5b1774a52d4470f70b4f36c3

  209. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 4, 2022 2:03 pm

    This is very funny (at the end):

  210. Tom R permalink
    March 4, 2022 4:46 pm

    We’ll all be feeling for a long after it “ends”.

    Yep, and, if they keep up bombing that nucelar reactor, the Ukraine and Russion population more than others. OK, they both will anyway

    Meanwhile, business as usual in #auspol

  211. March 4, 2022 7:29 pm

    The Host from the Rand Paul organisation claimed confusion. Hasn’t yet realised apparently, it’s a pre-requisite for his employment.

  212. March 5, 2022 7:20 pm

    Tom R re your link.

    Would have thought that Shanks’ video would’ve received wide coverage but there appears to be zero. Maybe, it was on some commercial channels but nary a mention on the ABC/SBS.

    Suppose it can’t compete with “Divorced at Second Sight” or whatever.

  213. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 6, 2022 4:26 pm

  214. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 6, 2022 8:25 pm

    Posing arsehole

  215. March 6, 2022 9:55 pm

    An “Act of God?”

    But probably not, because Putin and Patriarch Kirill of Moscow are on excellent terms.

  216. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 7, 2022 8:50 am

    This piece is really informative:

  217. Tom R permalink
    March 7, 2022 10:32 am

    This piece is really informative:

    Yes, a lot of bad history, with wrong from all sides.

    putins actions now will sweep that all away though, he will go down as another hitler or stalin, his war, and humanitarian crimes, climb daily.

  218. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 7, 2022 11:07 am

    Agreed, Tom R.

    The West stoked the tensions. Putin alone is responsible for his decision to go to war and the ensuing misery and death he has wrought on the Ukrainian people.

  219. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 7, 2022 11:12 am

    This is true. If you hire on the basis of diversity (in everything but ideas) then you get fascist cunts like Stan:

  220. Tom R permalink
    March 7, 2022 11:56 am

    the abc is full of them these days. it’s like a wading pool for murdoch wannabees

    Speaking of ………….

  221. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 7, 2022 1:09 pm

    I trust Tom had a happy ending!

  222. Tom R permalink
    March 7, 2022 1:48 pm

    Seems it’s “photo ops all the way down” these days

  223. March 7, 2022 7:31 pm

    Stan is at his best when he is being interviewed. Philip Adams, for example, is not afraid to cut him (Grant) off when he’s in a rambling mode.

    Grant is not a compere. He is out of his depth when under pressure. Demonstrates what might be called an “inferiority complex”.

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    March 7, 2022 7:53 pm

    Seems it’s “photo ops all the way down” these days

    I doubt “the Army” is filming itself … but I bet its being filmed for Potato Head and Slomo … the Army doesn’t need “photo ops” they go on real ops …

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    March 7, 2022 7:57 pm

    WoW! Re Stan Grant, I’m not the only one who sees him as rambling mouth.

    When he asks a question it takes his point of view from six angles with a leading question at the end of each point of view … why bother with expert guests …

    Wouldn’t be so bad if he knew what he was rambling about …

  226. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 8, 2022 7:55 am

    #Stansplaining

  227. Tom R permalink
    March 8, 2022 10:00 am

    #Stansplaining

  228. Tom R permalink
    March 8, 2022 10:01 am

    This is just embarrassing now

  229. Stop The Voats`Teabag permalink
    March 8, 2022 11:48 am

    The polack navy is failing to secure its border and all these voat people are jumping the queue and invading the polack boarder. Unsecured sauces claim there are push factoids regarding too much voating. When questioned, a polack navy spokesperson had no comment about the voaties, and didn’t discuss off water matters.`

  230. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 8, 2022 12:04 pm

    Biden knows what he is doing with Ukraine:

  231. Global Rinsing`Teabag permalink
    March 8, 2022 12:08 pm

    Back in the invade iraq days, george-w promised libya security when they handed over their nukies.

    Back in the 1990s, ukraine was promised security from russia, yankeeland and britannia when ukraine handed over its nukies.

    So far, all promises broken, by all promise makers.

    Think again teabags, goosestepping along as an arselicking yankeeland deputy sheriff will not give future muppet island security.`

  232. Tom R permalink
    March 8, 2022 12:09 pm

    Biden knows what he is doing with Ukraine:

    Yes, they all know what they were doing. The only thing saving them atm is putins maniacal ego. He had a legitimate concern.

  233. Back In Some Form`Teabag permalink
    March 8, 2022 12:23 pm

    Psst, theRealdeal isn’t the one cacking his panties. The international chat club just discovered they have bartered away too much of their own souvreignty for their own good, tehWest has also outsourced too much of their decision/s/making to corporates or chat clubs too.`

  234. March 8, 2022 1:18 pm

    Some detail not available to most Australians:

    Police in Thailand intend to interview four (4) massage staff employees and two (2) hotel workers before releasing the body …

    Transcripts to be made available at the State funeral.

  235. Tom R permalink
    March 8, 2022 2:43 pm

    Some detail not available to most Australians:

    Imagine if he had worked for the ABC?

    One picture, so many words

  236. TB Queensland permalink
    March 8, 2022 4:00 pm

    Imagine if he had worked for the ABC?

    Impossible, you need to have a broad national perspective, intelligence, analytical skills, communication competency, without a need to flog coal, nuclear subs or used cars at every opportunity.

    Did I mention comprehension?

    Speaking of which … has Lord ToM formed a battalion from his estate staff and gorn orf to the Ukraine Konflict, by George Elizabeth! What a fellow!

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    March 8, 2022 7:41 pm

  238. March 8, 2022 7:57 pm

    Brisbane is on the short-list to host nuclear submarines. If “successful”, the residents will become nuclear targets and that’s supposed to be a (positive) vote changer.

    But whether it’s “successful” or not, the pending decision WILL be a talking point which is essentially crucial for a khaki election.

    That’s the advantage of incumbency.

  239. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 8, 2022 8:31 pm

    What’s the evidence that nuclear submarines equals a nuclear target?

  240. March 8, 2022 8:37 pm

    Logic?

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 8, 2022 9:03 pm

    I don’t think logic has much to do with your comment.
    I’m sure you’re aware that nuclear power isn’t a nuclear weapon.

  242. March 8, 2022 9:30 pm

    So the nuclear armed enemy won’t target the nuclear powered submarines (and support infrastructure) but will focus on other craft? Really?

    So your advice is: Don’t ride on the Manly Ferry, or paddle a board if war breaks out?

    And you vote? Lol.

  243. Tom R permalink
    March 8, 2022 9:31 pm

    I’m sure you’re aware that nuclear power isn’t a nuclear weapon.

    I warned you MN, yomm don’t do Logic too good. 😉

  244. ivi permalink
    March 8, 2022 9:35 pm

    (A wigwam for a goose’s bridle, eh?)

  245. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 8, 2022 9:41 pm

    So you’d prefer a submarine that has to surface every day or two, and have support ships tagging along with fuel?
    Why would a submarine be a greater nuclear target than (say) a military base?

  246. March 8, 2022 10:00 pm

    Tom – war (and the pursuit of victory) has any number of dimensions, but none more important than the enemy’s morale.

    Hence taking out the opponent’s (metaphorical) lead batter … can be devastating.

  247. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 8, 2022 10:06 pm

    So you’d prefer low tech subs that have to surface every day or two?
    Even though there’s no evidence that long range, more efficient nuclear ones represent a more serious nuclear target

  248. March 8, 2022 10:30 pm

    Tom, the hard evidence of which you seek doesn’t exist because there’s no precedent. It’s a hypothetical .

    And the notion that Australia or any other Nation would acquire nuclear submarines while refusing nuclear weapons in times of conflict is somewhat fanciful. Night invariably follows Day.

    But perhaps you might point me to an historical time when a Nation facing calamitous defeat refused to employ the most effective technology (broadly defined) available?

  249. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 9, 2022 8:39 am

    “logic”
    When the logic of “nuclear submarines makes us a nuclear target”… becomes the logic of “nuclear submarines inevitably leads to our acquisition of nuclear weapons”

  250. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2022 11:46 am

    Even though there’s no evidence that long range, more efficient nuclear ones represent a more serious nuclear target

    Because, of course, if the ‘low tech’ subs are so shit, of course they’d be as much of a target as the super subs of the sea (?)

    But for other tasks, especially for operating against enemy shipping, conventionally powered diesel–electric subs are more cost-effective.

    https://sdsc.bellschool.anu.edu.au/news-events/news/8191/submarine-ridiculous

  251. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 9, 2022 2:16 pm

    **Travel Tip**
    I visited Venice about a year before covid. As always it was spectacular.
    But it was a favourite destination for Russian tourists and cruise ships, very crowded
    This is the year to visit!
    You’re welcome

  252. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 9, 2022 2:21 pm

    TomR

    Re the subs i would like to give my ignorant opinion.

    First Rudd/Labor did nothing. Rudd proposed 12 subs but then did nothing. Should we have pink or blue subs. Labor did nothing.

    Then the Coalition was elected. I think Abbott wanted the Japanese diesel subs. They were up and running and working.

    Then the Coalition got rid of Abbott and replaced him with the French loving Turnbull. Of course we then went with the French

    Bottom line is we are in trouble because of lefties like Turnbull and the ALP

  253. Tom R permalink
    March 9, 2022 2:59 pm

    **Travel Tip**

    Don’t go near nils head. It’s quite drafty there

  254. TB Queensland permalink
    March 9, 2022 5:44 pm

    What happened to the South Pacific Nuclear Free Zone ?

    https://treaties.un.org/pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=08000002800cea40

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Rarotonga

    No nuclear weapons, means no nuclear weapons. However …

    Morrison has stated:

    A new base, to be built in Brisbane, Newcastle or Port Kembla, will “enable the regular visiting of US and UK nuclear-powered submarines”, he will say in a virtual address to the Lowy Institute.

    A slip of the tongue? Ignorance of The Raratonga Treaty? Or whispers of the next phase to “introduce” nuclear weapons?

    Step One?

    New uranium mining projects are possible, since the new coalition government, elected on 2 March 1996, scrapped the former limitation (Three Mines Policy) immediately. (Sydney Morning Herald, March 23, 1996)

    See a pattern here?

    Open slather on uranium mining

    Nuclear subs

    Sabre rattle threats … new nuclear plants …

    Nuclear power plants will help with climate change* … and the waste used for weaponry shimples …

    See an LNP pattern here …

    A process of logic …

  255. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 9, 2022 8:07 pm

    In 2007 the Commonwealth was debt free. How quickly things can change.

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/close-to-30b-a-year-interest-bill-to-climb-as-rates-lift-on-record-budget-debt/ar-AAUNn7e?ocid=msedgntp

    Higher interest rates and hundreds of billions of debt run-up dealing with the coronavirus recession is on track to push up the federal budget interest bill towards $30 billion and eclipse the cost of aged care services.

  256. March 9, 2022 10:58 pm

    Re things nuclear:

    Nine countries possess nuclear weapons: the United States, Russia, France, China, the United Kingdom, Pakistan, India, Israel, and North Korea

    But:

    six countries deploy some form of nuclear-powered strategic submarines: the United States, Russia, the United Kingdom, France, China, and India.

    Anyone care to make some predictions?

    As for nuclear submarines having a home port in Brisbane. Hilarious!

    A complete lack of depth and in some many senses.

  257. ivi permalink
    March 9, 2022 11:29 pm

    ( Anyone care to make some predictions?

    I’d offer travel tips, but…. )

  258. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 10, 2022 8:10 am

    “As for nuclear submarines having a home port in Brisbane. Hilarious!”

    Agreed. Those wankers don’t deserve. Australian cities should be invited to bid for the privilege!

  259. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 10, 2022 8:13 am

    How did abolition of nuclear weapons work out for Libya and Ukraine?

    We need nukes and a delivery system. Until then we cannot afford an independent foreign policy and need to be part of a powerful alliance. And contra Stairman Dan that alliance should not be with the CCP.

  260. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 10, 2022 9:28 am

    This is not a pretty picture.

    Today:

    Ukraine war: Moscow says it has found biological weapons in Ukraine – but US dismisses claims as ‘absurd propaganda’

    Two days ago:

    Self-anointed “fact-checkers” in the U.S. corporate press have spent two weeks mocking as disinformation and a false conspiracy theory the claim that Ukraine has biological weapons labs, either alone or with U.S. support. …

    Yesterday afternoon, Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), hoping to debunk growing claims that there are chemical weapons labs in Ukraine, smugly asked Nuland: “Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?”

    When asked whether Ukraine possesses “chemical or biological weapons,” Nuland did not deny this at all. She instead — with palpable pen-twirling discomfort and in halting speech, a glaring contrast to her normally cocky style of speaking in obfuscatory State Department officialese — acknowledged: “uh, Ukraine has, uh, biological research facilities.” Any hope to depict such “facilities” as benign or banal was immediately destroyed by the warning she quickly added: “we are now in fact quite concerned that Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to, uh, gain control of [those labs], so we are working with the Ukrainiahhhns [sic] on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach”

  261. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 10, 2022 9:46 am

    Really MN, you can do better. That logic is no better than-
    * Every country that has nuclear submarines also has conventional weapons, therefore…
    * Every country that has nuclear weapons has a land border, therefore….

  262. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 10, 2022 10:00 am

    Logic is not a strong point with MN, ToM.

  263. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 10, 2022 10:01 am

    Meanwhile:

    “Bill Clinton also joined the fight, promising to stop importing underage women from Russia. “

  264. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2022 11:41 am

    “Bill Clinton also joined the fight, promising to stop importing underage women from Russia. “

    As long as he can keep his Cubans …………………… cigars, obviously

  265. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 10, 2022 2:32 pm

    So true, in so many ways:

  266. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2022 2:33 pm

    The enema isn’t us, it’s him

  267. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 10, 2022 3:07 pm

    So Eachway Albo is going to be like Hawke and Howard’s lovechild!

    Reminds me of when Rudd was putting it about that his government was going to be fiscally conservative like the Hawke/Keating government. And, after being elected on that lie, he governed like the leftist twat he is, spending like a drunken sailor. And even worse the subsequent Coalition governments have caught his profligate spending addiction. The only difference was the excuse – for Rudd it was the GFC, for Morriscum it is Covid.

    Luckily for us MMT suggests we can just keep on printing the green stuff.

  268. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2022 3:37 pm

    So Eachway Albo is going to be like Hawke and Howard’s lovechild!

    According to ……….?

  269. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 10, 2022 3:49 pm

    Just out of interest, is there any rationale as to why the US would conduct their biological warfare research in Ukraine? Given it has been engaged in a lengthy civil war, it is close to the Russian border, it is not a long term ally of the US, it does not have a history of stable government…
    It appears to be just too convenient for the fascist Putin propaganda

  270. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 10, 2022 4:22 pm

    I wonder how the Guardian got these strange ideas?

    While styling himself in the consensus tradition of Hawke, Albanese will also borrow a maxim from John Howard, noting you never reach the finish line in the race for economic reform because there is always more to do to make the economy stronger and more productive.

    Sounds like Albo was having a bet each way and changed his mind at the last minute.

  271. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2022 4:52 pm

    lol splats, he ‘borrowed a maxim from John Howard’, as in, said something that howard had alluded to, but never achieved

    That’s a long way from being his ‘lovechild’ ffs

    Well, yomm, this is what happens when you create a lie to go to an illegal war on. It can come back to bite

  272. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 10, 2022 6:03 pm

    lol splats, he ‘borrowed a maxim from John Howard’, as in, said something that howard had alluded to, but never achieved

    What are you talking about?? Unemployment went from 8% in 1996 to 4% by 2007 under Howard. And government debt went from 18% of GDP in 1996 to ZERO by 2007

    Howard is the only govt since 1972 to reduce unemployment and /or govt debt

  273. Tom R permalink
    March 10, 2022 7:02 pm

    I just felt a draft

  274. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2022 7:30 pm

    Why?

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/campaign/flood-relief-bbq?sfmc_id=289566904&sfmc_key=02574642-9CB8-4892-87FB-235BF9AC32DD&utm_source=sfmc_retail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=137743.AU_220310_New_Campaign_Lowest_Prices_Personalised

    Because emergency funds have been stalled, slush funds have been pilfered, pork barrelling has skyrocketed, taxes for the rich slashed – and non existent tax payments for many “big” corporates …

    This is what happens when Australia’s “economic managers” are “in charge” ???

    As for Defence if any one believes that Scumdog knows anything about the ADF then vote for it at your peril …

    Hypocritic sabre rattling should not be used to politicise the ADF by ANY party …

    As for nukes whether for useful power or military power – do some research on the waste and H&S history of nuclear power plants and other (including military) accidents …

    Some very recently … do we really want nuclear plants and the radioactive waste they create for 240,000 or more years … atomic power is fkn dangerous …

    This election I’ll be voting for anyone who wants peace in the world … and that certainly won’t come from any bible bashing “we’re here for you” politicians … flying on a wing and a prayer!

    I remember the French atomic tests …

    https://theworld.org/stories/2021-08-06/new-study-nuclear-testing-french-polynesia-reveals-france-s-censorship-and

    And I remember the fear in the adults as a kid in the UK when the US set up missiles there … get under the fkn desks! Jesus Christ!

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2022 7:32 pm

    I just felt a draft

    Don’t go there, TR … 😎

  276. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 10, 2022 7:45 pm

    “” I just felt a draft “”

    Name me one Labor govt that has ever reduced unemployment and/or govt debt??

  277. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2022 7:59 pm

    For your edification …

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nuclear+accidents

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    March 10, 2022 8:00 pm

    Name me one Labor govt that has ever reduced unemployment and/or govt debt??

    Kneel … your banned …

  279. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 10, 2022 8:05 pm

    TB

    There is no ALP govt that has ever reduced unemployment or govt debt.

  280. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 10, 2022 8:30 pm

    …your banned
    “you’re”

  281. March 10, 2022 10:26 pm

    The polling must be in free fall.

    the Prime Minister this afternoon said he would hold a meeting with the governor-general tonight to include Queensland in the declaration along with New South Wales

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-10/prime-minister-emergency-declaration-queensland-palaszczuk/100897950

    And whatever happened to the debt and deficit disaster ?

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/budget-now-a-debt-and-deficit-disaster-pm/2xn0tsc2o

    About as credible as Rudd being a leftie .

  282. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 10, 2022 10:41 pm

    MN

    The Coalition tried to do something about the debt and disaster disaster in the May 2014 budget..

    In May 2014 Labor blocked any attempt to get the budget back into surplus.

    Because of LABOR we have not run a surplus budget since 2008

  283. March 10, 2022 11:01 pm

    Neil – you don’t seem to understand. Even though I am coming to the end of my time, I’m still future oriented . Thus I want governments to be so inclined. (Because government goes on and on1

    Only committed losers can’t see beyond the present!

    Vale Senator Kitching.

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2022 10:32 am

    LOL! Yep, I re,member the cruise ship that suffered exactly this

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/11/jellyfish-nuclear-submarine-emergency-reactor-shutdown-brisbane-base-moreton-bay-australia

  285. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2022 10:34 am

    “you’re”

    At the time I couldn’t be bothered but I knew you would be along, Lord ToM …

  286. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2022 10:39 am

    “future oriented”
    Then no doubt you’ll be particularly concerned about-
    * The effect of public debt on the policy options for future generations
    * The expansion of anti western democracy sentiment and the willingness of authoritarian regimes to go to war

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2022 11:59 am

    Then no doubt you’ll be particularly concerned about-

    Why is that news to you?

    Korean War – $250,000,000 (1953)
    Menzies Liberal

    Vietnam War – $168 billion ($1 trillion in today’s dollars)
    Menzies Liberal. Gorton Liberal. McMahon Liberal …
    Whitlam Labor – ends war and rescinds National Service.

    Gulf War $100 billion Hawke Labor Howard Liberal

    Afghanistan – $10 billion (seems low)

    Then there is the blood cost … for ADF member and their families who were killed, injured and/or maimed for life.

    And right now the estimate for the number alive who have served our “glorious” regime is 641,000 ex servicemen and women …

    And your fearless leader SloppyMo wants to spend more of our children’s and grandchildren’s future … $38 billion … charge of the light brigade nonsense.

    FFS! ToM I spent most of my adult life paying off the debts of my parents’ generation … including a couple of years of my life.

    As MN says Because government goes on and on

    In conclusion … why not call our military the AIF ? Australian Invasion Force … why bother with weasel words Defence?

    And BTW, Vietnam is doing nicely without us … I was there a few years ago …

  288. Tom R permalink
    March 11, 2022 12:25 pm

    The expansion of anti western democracy sentiment and the willingness of authoritarian regimes to go to war

    OR, the expansion of anti Eastern sentiment and the willingness of authoritarian regimes to go to war

  289. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 11, 2022 1:28 pm

    “Vietnam is doing nicely without us … “

    After the West handed the South over to the communists over a million were murdered and the population endured thirty years of poverty misery and death under a communist dictatorship. Racist cunt Gough Whitlam wouldn’t take in any “fucking yellow Balts”, preferring to let them drown

    Although doing a bit better economically, It is still a one-party communist dictatorship – although I suppose you are used to this coming from Queensland! 😉

  290. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2022 3:21 pm

    My observation is that the people that are supporting Russia are generally-
    * Poor spellers
    * Low education level
    * Conspiracy theorists
    * Anti vaxers
    * Apologists for a brutal fascist
    * Confused
    * Intermingled with a few old commies that yearn for the return of the USSR

  291. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 11, 2022 3:59 pm

    ToM that is some major league ad hom generalisation going on there.

    Does anyone in Australia actually support Russia? There was that guy on Q&A but we didn’t actually hear enough to understand his position.

  292. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2022 4:07 pm

    Although doing a bit better economically, It is still a one-party communist dictatorship – although I suppose you are used to this coming from Queensland!

    You really need to get out in the world … seeing is much better than reading right wing rants …

    And actually very friendly in Vietnam (unless you talk too loudly in Uncle Ho’s mausoleum …

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    March 11, 2022 4:10 pm

    There was that guy on Q&A but we didn’t actually hear enough to understand his position.

    Ya reckon?

    ToM that is some major league ad hom generalisation going on there.

    Agree. splats …

    But that’s par for the course for Lord ToM (you know how those upper crusters have limited social interaction)

  294. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 11, 2022 4:59 pm

    I’m happy to add to the list, but that’s what my extensive research shows.

  295. March 11, 2022 10:49 pm

    Re:

    Uncle Ho’s mausoleum …

    Usually, there’s a very long queue outside. So make sure that you read the ‘rules’ about what you can’t take into the ‘mausoleum’ because the entrance attendants certainly have.

    They seem to take delight in not only confiscating the offending items but also sending you to the very back of this long queue to wait and wait again.

    As for the toilets within the compound, most western females elect to ‘wait’ rather than ‘squat’ over the metaphorical holes in the ground , unencumbered as they are by walls or screens.

    But perhaps times have changed.

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2022 12:55 pm

    MN, just checked … we were in Indochina in 2014 😲 … doubt much has changed since then … and I remember the “footprints here” toilets … at least in Egypt they “serve” you toilet paper under the door! LOL! And I had to pay at Harrods – Harrods!

    Even Fraser Island campsites now have toilet and shower blocks. 😎

  297. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2022 12:57 pm

    … that’s what my extensive research shows.</i?

    Ahhh. So you can post the lynqux here then?

    (Extensive – Research – Chuckle)

  298. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 12, 2022 5:00 pm

    Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and the economy that rose to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
    * Therefore Putin is clearly a fascist
    * Those that support him are also fascists
    * Those that provide cover and rationale for him are fascist sympathisers
    * It’s amazing how many anti western democracy types have defaulted to being fascist sympathisers

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    March 12, 2022 5:38 pm

    WTF are you on now, Lord ToM?

    Fascism and Communism are simply the extreme right and left of the political spectrum – they almost close the political “circle” but for a belief/rejection of religion …

    It took some time for me to recognise that the Vietnam War (or as the Vietnamese call it The American War) was really all about religion or lack thereof …

    Anyway whats in a name Vladimir Putrid is simply that and everything in close contact (see that?) smells … badly … they should all be in permanent quarantine by now!

    ++++++++++++++++

    Kwik Kwestion for Satdee:

    If, The All Blacks, were called, The All Whites, would they have to change their team name?

  300. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 12, 2022 7:01 pm

    Neil – you don’t seem to understand. Even though I am coming to the end of my time, I’m still future oriented .

    Want to be future oriented?? Then lets be like Howard/Costello and start running surplus budgets again

  301. March 12, 2022 10:35 pm

    TB, initially visited Vietnam prior to 2010 (maybe 2006? can’t remember exactly). Used services provided by Sinhcafe which was basically ‘backpacker’ territory at that time. Now it’s gone ‘upmarket’. But at least the dollars spent stay there.

    Can remember with much amusement, two young Caucasian women pleading with the Vietnamese depot attendant – BUT you must remember us! We were here yesterday.

    And his reply. Sorry! But you whites ALL look the same to me. Lol.

    Many happy memories for us as visitors. Their (war) museums, memorials, and their constructions of history in particular were interesting to say the least.

    At that time, Americans were still the ‘bad guys’ but there was some affection for Australians.

    Now watch with interest as Vietnam becomes a destination of choice for the building of top notch multihulls (carbon fibre etc). Cheap labour and all that.

    As for it being a Communist country. Only in name. Capitalist to the bootstraps, at the lived level. (Same as China.)

  302. March 12, 2022 11:07 pm

    Re:

    Then lets (sic) be like Howard/Costello and start running surplus budgets again

    Why? Surely you are aware the metaphorical God of Conservative politics in Australia was (and is) Menzies who knew the way to prosperity was to ‘invest’?

    Even Bankers know that money sitting in a vault can’t be working. It needs to be ‘out there’. Doing things. Financing development etc. (But not wasting dollars on Arms and the like.)

    Neil to ‘look forward’ (intelligently) you first must ‘look back’. Why aren’t you paying due attention to the debts and deficits of Menzies? They were big. Didn’t he lay the foundation for future prosperity? Have you forgotten him? Why? Please explain!

    Or is it more complex than that? Lol.

  303. Tom R permalink
    March 12, 2022 11:07 pm

    Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by 1)dictatorial power, 2)forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society (workchoices?)and the economy (robodebt, indue?) that rose to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

    hmmmmmmmm

    1)

    2)

  304. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 13, 2022 9:23 am

    Even for you Tom R, it’s poor taste to draw an analogy between the fascist Putin and domestic politics

  305. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 13, 2022 10:45 am

    Neil to ‘look forward’ (intelligently) you first must ‘look back’. Why aren’t you paying due attention to the debts and deficits of Menzies? They were big.

    That story has been doing the rounds in left wing circles. But there has to be something wrong with it.

    Menzies/Coalition was handed enormous WW2 debt and debt was reduced to ZERO by 1972.

    If Menzies reduced govt debt to zero from something like 90% of GDP while running deficit budgets, he deserves a Nobel prize. Something else had to be going on.

  306. TB Queensland permalink
    March 13, 2022 11:18 am

    TR, re Eureka flag … guess who has one and a flagpole? 😊

    Guess who will be flying it from the deck on the hill! 😎

    Now is this right wing “woke”? Or what! … Mr Scumlow and Potato Head’s work methinks!

    What happened to freedom of expression … the thin edge of the wedge? What’s next?

  307. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2022 4:13 pm

    it’s poor taste to draw an analogy between the fascist Putin and domestic politics

    I was actually drawing a direct link between our grubmint and fascism, but you do you

    Remember when some numb nuts were calling Dan a dictator? Yes, it was just a smokescreen for the actual dicktator. And some numb nuts helped it along

  308. Tom R permalink
    March 13, 2022 7:03 pm

  309. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 14, 2022 8:49 am

    That’s stupid and tedious Tom R. There are plenty of Argos to demonstrate that Australia is no where near a fascist state.
    There are none that would clear Putin of the label.

  310. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 14, 2022 8:54 am

    “arguments” …of course

  311. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 14, 2022 9:18 am

    What we saw in the Zachary Rolfe case was mob rule. Chief Minister Michael Gunner bowed to the mob in an unseemly short time. He should be personally liable for Rolfe’s costs of trial.

  312. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 14, 2022 9:27 am

    This is actually hilarious:

    Before his death, Kumanjayi Walker was known by his birth name, Arnold Charles Walker.

    I guess it is part of the charade of re-inviting the violent thug as an angel. From now on it will be all about money and compensation and black victimhood.

    Rather than bellyaching maybe the “community” should reflect on whether foetal alcohol syndrome and petrol sniffing were involved and Walker’s extreme violence against women and consider what they are doing about these problems. The community taking responsibility for its problems would be a good first step.

  313. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 14, 2022 9:43 am

    Here is some detail on Walker’s way with the ladies:

    Walker would beat Robertson until she cried out in pain, kick her in the face, drag her by the hair and bash her – not only behind closed doors, but often in public as well.

    He even attacked her while she slept.

    And after episodes of severe physical abuse, he’d threaten to commit suicide if she reported the attacks to police.
    ..
    The first assault occurred on April 10, 2016 when Rickisha was 14.
    That evening Robertson was with two female cousins at the Yuendumu basketball court when Walker approached the girls and punched Robertson in the arm before twisting and extending it, causing her to scream out in pain.

    Robertson’s cousins screamed at him to stop and he then started walking away.
    “I’m going to kill myself if you don’t come with me,” he told Robertson.
    His girlfriend, who was 15 at the time, went looking for him and found him sniffing petrol at the home of relative Ernest Brown.

    He then turned around, grabbed Robertson around the throat with both hands, squeezed her neck tightly and lifted her off the ground.

    Robertson was terrified and struggling to breathe when Brown intervened, pulling Walker’s hands off her neck.

    Late the next night (April 11) Robertson was in the commentator’s grandstand at the football oval with her sister when Walker came to the oval with several girls.

    Walker climbed the grandstand stairs and entered the commentator’s box where he grabbed Robertson by the arm and pulled her down the stairs.

    Robertson tumbled down the stairs until she hit the ground at the bottom.
    Walker then kicked and punched her in the face while she lay on the ground.
    ….
    Rickisha, now 20, told The Australian the most painful attack was when Walker broke her left hand while beating her with a piece of steel.

    “I tried blocking myself because he was really mad,” she said.

    “He assaulted me because I’m the one who was doing the wrong thing.

    “I was on the phone all night (and that was) making him mad.

    “He wants me to sleep next to him and leave the phone and go to sleep but I was looking at Facebook.”

    On that occasion, police were notified.
    “He just broke my arm and like my bone was cracked but he’s the one who take me to hospital at Alice Springs,” she said.

    Rickisha Robertson told The Australian her family tried to help Walker when his own family rejected him.

    My grandfather and grandmother told him, ‘(he) gotta stay in this family’,” she said.
    “My grandmother and grandfather told him, ‘you gotta live with us and we gotta give you my granddaughter’.

    Leanne Oldfield, Walker’s foster mother, visits his gravesite in Yuendumu with relatives Meggerie Brown and Lara. Picture: Amos Aikman

    “It was because his family don’t want him no more.”

  314. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 14, 2022 10:22 am

    “- A perpetrator mentored by Ben Roberts-Smith and whose parents socialise with the intentionally oppressive LNP”

    Well he must be guilty then! What a stupid mongrel Outram is! Shame she wasn’t Walker’s girlfriend. She might have a different perspective.

  315. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2022 12:21 pm

    Particularly angry this AM splats …

    It’s nice here tho’ … sun’s out … like a long lost friend …

  316. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 14, 2022 2:09 pm

    TB, you know I can be a bit excitable.

    We also had some sun in Sydney but not enough to encourage me to mow the lawn. It’s sprinkling now.

  317. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 14, 2022 2:43 pm

    It’s a glorious day here in Melbourne, with the only downside being that it seems like half of fkn Queensland and New South Wales are here too.

  318. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 14, 2022 2:59 pm

    Reb, don’t judge us by those northerners who visit Victoria. Only the really stupid ones do that!

  319. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 14, 2022 3:09 pm

    Queensland, flooded one day, full of damp rednecks then next

  320. Tom R permalink
    March 14, 2022 3:24 pm

    and consider what they are doing about these problems.

    You mean, like the indue card (which as we all know is not designd to help, it’s designed to perpetuate the demonization

    Or trining a police force that continuosly shoots to kill, rather than work with the community.

    Walker would beat Robertson until she cried out in pain, kick her in the face, drag her by the hair and bash her

    How he didn’t get a call up for the ADF is the real question.

    But, his crimes were not on trial here. Of cours, just like rght wing wankers to blame the victim, isn’t it? This was the crimes of a police force, well known for using excessive force. We need to look at what our training is doing, if it’s making the police actual Pigs You have cried a lot when a right wing fuckwit gets kicked in the head for head kicking, be consistent ffs

    There are plenty of Argos to demonstrate that Australia is no where near a fascist state.

    Well, I’ve shown plenty that show it’s crossing that line, you have … whined

    melbourne, whinging one day, whinging the next

  321. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 14, 2022 3:33 pm

    “Or training a police force that continuously shoots to kill, rather than work with the community.:”

    I’m sure that’s what you’d do – some violent mongrel stabs you. So you just put the gun away and work with him. Maybe you could help him out and stab yourself too!

    I support cops who shoot people who are stabbing them. All those anti-vaxxers stabbing cops should be shot.

  322. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 14, 2022 3:37 pm

    “How he didn’t get a call up for the ADF is the real question.”

    I’m sure Walker would have had a great career with the CFMEU. He and John Setka could compare notes and trade war stories.

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2022 3:38 pm

    half of fkn Queensland

    erm, wtf would a Queenslander even think about Melbourne … probably Mexicans who emigrated as soon as our border was opened and bought a decent car with QLD number plates … and went back to tell there bloody family and friends how good QLD is … so I suppose we’ll have to put up with more of the whining dicks …

    Must be plenty of rooms in Victoria and NSW … two thirds of the number plates here are no blue on white or black on yellow!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    you know I can be a bit excitable.

    Is that what you call it! 😂

    Re: Rolfe – was always of the opinion that if I’d been stabbed, my partner was on the ground being held by a perp with an edged weapon … I’d shoot the bastard again too – you protect your mate at all costs … and … ya never take a pair of scissors to a gunfight!

    I also agree with the mob doing more to control the rogue young men … and I’d also like to see some of the more high profile Aboriginal faces taking a more active stance in their culture and helping to lift the conditions in some communities instead of lecturing whitefellas … it can be done … I’ve worked with a number of Aboriginal supervisors on mine-sites … and I wrote the Diploma of Peforming Arts for the Aboriginal Performing Arts Centre …

  324. Tom R permalink
    March 14, 2022 3:40 pm

    All those anti-vaxxers stabbing cops should be shot.

    So, WHY did he feel the need to stab? Ask yourself that question.

    And WHY does the right wing news need to trawl through the victims past, but not the perpetrators

    And yes, you’ve certainly changed your tune. A lot of those anti vaxxers you were defending were the instigators, the cops jut over-reacted, as they always do.

    As they had done for years against environmentalists and those rallying against the 1%. But you were happy with police brutality then. The only time you complained was when it was right wing morons getting whacked.

  325. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2022 3:41 pm

    Correction: Aboriginal Centre for the Performing Arts

  326. Tom R permalink
    March 14, 2022 3:46 pm

    I see morrison is lying again. And getting away with it, again

  327. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 14, 2022 4:15 pm

    “WHY did he feel the need to stab? “

    By the time he started stabbing his motivation was irrelevant. The solution starts with communities owning their own problems and deciding to do something about it. We probably need another rescued generation but authorities seem too scared to remove children from danger.

  328. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2022 5:11 pm

    Anyone else losing TR’s attachments?

  329. Tom R permalink
    March 14, 2022 5:32 pm

    We probably need another rescued generation

    YOU are the problem. Mindlessly parroting ruperts talking points.

  330. March 14, 2022 6:00 pm

    Morrison sups with Joyce and therefore needs deep pockets as well as a blind eye. Effectively, Barnaby’s driving the climate bus and because Morrison needs his vote(s) to occupy the Lodge that’s not going to change any time soon without an election.

    Like many other Nations, ‘democracy’ (as a concept) is under siege. And that applies here in Australia as well.

    The impact of the long-term democratic decline has become increasingly global in nature, broad enough to be felt by those living under the cruelest dictatorships, as well as by citizens of long-standing democracies. Nearly 75 percent of the world’s population lived in a country that faced deterioration last year. The ongoing decline has given rise to claims of democracy’s inherent inferiority.

    https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2021/democracy-under-siege

    In Australia, the designated Leader is not elected by by the Citizens directly. When ensconced, the unelected PM not only dominates the Legislature but also the Executive, whose members serve at the pleasure of this same (effective) dictator.

    As for the Judiciary, it too is appointed in a manner similar to that of the Cabinet and without a Bill of Rights, sitting on the Bench takes on a pejorative meaning.

    Even worse, there are no proposals to change things. And change we must. We have the technology. All we lack is the will. Political philosopher Baron de Montesquieu would be appalled.

  331. TB Queensland permalink
    March 14, 2022 9:03 pm

    MN

    I agree with all your comment but this … whose members serve at the pleasure of this same (effective) dictator.

    Diktats have never been effective ,,, nor have empires … and the “Western” style democracies are considered to be an empire …

  332. March 14, 2022 9:55 pm

    TB – Don’t know whether ‘democracy’ is the best form of government or not. What I do know, is that, when it comes to ‘active and informed citizens’ participating in a democracy, it’s just not happening. Democracy in name but not lived.

    Currently, we have a facade. An illusion. A sham.

    And those who perhaps know it best (albeit subconsciously in many instances) and therefore refuse to participate, are the young. Youth, who tend to live a life of immediate gratification, laugh at what the ‘oldies’ endure. Mugs, one and all.

  333. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 14, 2022 10:31 pm

    “What I do know, is that, when it comes to ‘active and informed citizens’ participating in a democracy, it’s just not happening.”

    Thank God for that. Fuck the activists. I’d rather be governed by elected representatives than some mongrel chained to a tree.

    “whose members serve at the pleasure of this same (effective) dictator.”

    I think you are referring to the ALP who have to wait until the leader loses an election to replace the cunt. Foe the other parties the members can sack their dictator PM when it suits them.

    Our system is much better than, say, the EU where the parliament cant even introduce legislation.

    The real threat to freedom now is technological. It is too easy for the Government, and the Big Tech robber barons to know all about you in microscopic detail and to punish your indiscretions. And it is only going to get worse – in the end there is no one who is pure enough for these tyrants.

  334. March 14, 2022 11:04 pm

    Re:

    be governed by elected representatives …

    But are you? The most powerful decision maker in Australia (at least in terms of formal structures) is the PM and YOU don’t get a direct say in that.

    When it comes to whom will be the PM, YOU are on the sidelines. A spectator at best.

    the other parties the members can sack their dictator PM when it suits them.

    Do try to keep up. The Liberal Party rules have changed.

    The prime minister told reporters the party room had resolved overwhelmingly that an elected Liberal party leader who goes to an election and wins will remain prime minister for the full parliamentary term.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/03/liberal-party-morrison-changes-rules-to-require-two-thirds-majority-to-unseat-sitting-pm

    One could go on But choose not to because party political nonsense is perhaps best left for elsewhere at another time..

    As for:

    It is too easy for … the Big Tech robber barons to know all about you in microscopic detail … And it is only going to get worse .

    Can only agree. So how can we use ‘technology’ against this trend? It is possible.

    Perhaps the starting point is to have the will?

  335. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 15, 2022 7:00 am

    “When it comes to whom will be the PM, YOU are on the sidelines. A spectator at best.”

    Disagree. Indirect participation through voting counts. It could well be that most people vote for a party and its leader rather than a local member.

    I’m not particularly against the direct election of an executive leader provided that the system overall is coherent. At the moment we do not have true separation of powers between the legislature and the executive.

    “Do try to keep up. The Liberal Party rules have changed.”

    I did not know that. But not knowing stuff hasn’t stopped me having opinions before. 🙂

    “So how can we use ‘technology’ against this trend?”

    I’m now reading The Age of Surveillance Capitalism. It is eye-opening. As to remedies I don’t know.

    Ultimately the government is a big threat. It is inevitable that once information is collected it will be misused by government. They can’t help themselves. CBDCs are a major concern. If the government knows every transaction we do and can freeze or seize our funds at any time then we are in big trouble.

    Aggregating information about people for the purpose of allocating a social credit score or rating or grading them individually, whether by a government or other entity should be criminalised.

    I don’t think using anti-trust rules to break up monopolies is the answer.

    Maybe giving individuals proprietary rights to information collected about them for commercial gain; also rights to see that information and to have it removed.

    I’ve heard of blockchain solutions and I get the theory but I can’t envisage how these would work in practice.

    Required interoperability rules might be applied to systems which have gained monopoly status through the network effect. The network effect is a valuable asset created by decisions of all users. Maybe they should have a say in the network or a share in its profits.

    Also we could consider public square laws where if an app has become a de facto public square it’s right to censor is limited. Or at least the users get a choice to view the censored or uncensored version.

  336. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2022 11:45 am

    Speaking records. 😷

    Your medical records are not “owned” by you, but by the medical practice you attend. eg GP, specialist … however, only you can give permission for someone else to access those records …

    Our credit rating is negative … because we haven’t borrowed for decades … anyone give me a loan? 😃 😎

    And I certainly don’t trust any government with any personal records …

  337. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 15, 2022 6:07 pm

    I sent the President of Russia some feedback!
    I wonder whether I’ll get a reply
    http://en.kremlin.ru/contacts

  338. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2022 7:29 pm

    RU serious LOrd ToM?

    Is the genetic purity really catching up? Sad ‘ol son hang in there …

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2022 7:31 pm

    Another day in Tasmania:

    right (chuckle) up your (chuckle) alley (chuckle) … 😎

  340. TB Queensland permalink
    March 15, 2022 7:36 pm

    If you are really Australian …

    Read this … and wonder what our country has become … thanks to the US of A!

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/europe-news/2022/03/15/us-russia-china-ukraine/

    Sickening!

  341. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2022 7:55 pm

    TB

    I read you link. What is your point?? What is the sickening thing the USA is doing according to you??

  342. March 15, 2022 7:59 pm

    While government can be a “big threat”, it can also aid and abet that which is “positive” such as “liberation”, “freedom” and the like.

    Government should be the most powerful agency for the average citizen. That’s it’s not is the real issue.

  343. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2022 8:13 pm

    MN

    You did not reply to my destruction of your statement.

    How the hell did Menzies/Coalition take govt debt from something like. i do not know, but from 90% of GDP just after WW2 to ZERO by 1972 while running deficit budgets????

    PS you will notice i put 4 question marks. I know you do not like that

  344. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 15, 2022 8:44 pm

    MN

    I have seen that crap a hundred times before.

    How the hell did Menzies/Coalition take govt debt from 90% of GDP to ZERO by 1972 while running deficit budgets?????????????????????????????

    PS lots of question marks

  345. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2022 10:49 am

    What is the sickening thing the USA is doing according to you??

    Start at the “US warning to China” and read down.

  346. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2022 11:35 am

    That’s among the most stupid things I’ve seen. NATO decided not to provide ancient aircraft to Ukraine, but it’s “sickening ” that China is advised not to support Russia.
    F**KING STUPID

  347. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2022 11:47 am

    it’s “sickening ” that the US is publicly accusing China of something, foghorn diplomacy or something like that

    Especially from the the same peeps who brought us WMD. They are basically trying to goad China. Yes, “it’s “sickening ””

  348. March 16, 2022 1:00 pm

    China will refrain from supporting Russia because of Australia’s threats of retaliation.

    (How embarrassing.)

  349. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2022 1:44 pm

    More F**KING stupidity.
    It’s breathtakingly stupid to try to excuse the invasion of Ukraine with a “look over there”
    Credibility= less than zero
    And does anyone think the CCP should be just given the green light to supply the fascist Putin?
    The above left types have demonstrated sheer arrogant stupidity
    Their objection to liberal democracy is so entrenched that they are willing to give the green light to a rich expansionist murderous fascist

  350. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2022 1:57 pm

    It’s breathtakingly stupid to try to excuse the invasion of Ukraine with a “look over there”

    Yes, which is why the usa is being breathtakingly stupid (DOH)

    And does anyone think the CCP should be just given the green light to supply the fascist Putin?

    Wait, they are doing what? Have you evidence of this? A Linque perhaps?

  351. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 16, 2022 2:11 pm

    Sssssssh! Aussie sycophant say don’t criticise China out loud. Otherwise their precious petal Pooh Bear leader will get clanky:

  352. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2022 2:44 pm

    don’t criticise China out loud

    What are we criticizing them for today though?

  353. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2022 2:45 pm

    Their lack of sanctions perhaps?

    https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/03/16/russia-oligarchs-fossil-fuel-sanctions/

  354. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 16, 2022 3:03 pm

  355. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2022 3:04 pm

    Your first reaction is to side with an anti western democracy dictatorship.
    The CCP got a heads up not to support the brutal fascist invasion of Ukraine. Your reaction is to call that “sickening”
    Your next stupid anti western democracy position is “look over there”, which is the tactic of those giving cover to the fascist Putin
    **Not giving the CCP some warning that there are consequences for supporting the fascist invasion is allowing them to stumble into a further escalation and an even deeper crisis.
    You’re a F**KWIT

  356. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2022 3:26 pm

    Your first reaction is to side with an anti western democracy dictatorship.

    Actually, my first reaction was to point out that, with the world teetering the edge of a nuclear war, ‘merica goes and throws gasoline on the fire.

    Your next stupid anti western democracy position is “look over there”

    I think you will find it as “look over here” 😉

    reckon you could get yourself a job at the ‘fixated perps unit’ yomm 🙂

  357. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2022 3:28 pm

    Meanwhile N5 says something along the lines of “we’re too small for the CCP to take any notice of us”
    Apparently ABBA is interested in the future.
    * Not too small to having a part to play in reducing emissions
    * An economy the same size as Russia’s
    * Equal largest economy in the southern hemisphere
    * A significant power in our region
    …why wouldn’t we encourage the CCP to tread carefully about supporting the brutal fascist?
    Would you prefer that they’re not advised of the risk of supporting Putin?

  358. March 16, 2022 3:50 pm

    ToM – China doesn’t have to be advised as to Australia’s position on ANYTHING. As always, it’s the same as the USA’s. Australia doesn’t have an independent ‘foreign policy’. Deputy Sheriff and all that.

    So Payne’s comments were for domestic consumption. For the naive. And presumably for YOU.

    Shakes head.

  359. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2022 4:03 pm

    Really.
    * How would you frame our advice on the CCP about whether or not they should support the fascist Putin?
    * Would you remain silent on the issue and just allow them to presume?

  360. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2022 4:07 pm

    “look over here*
    You’d have us remain silent on the invasion by fascist dictatorship because we have an imperfect record.
    Look up “false equivalence”

  361. Tom R permalink
    March 16, 2022 5:09 pm

    You’d have us remain silent on the invasion by fascist dictatorship because we have an imperfect record.

    Accusing somebody of something is not ‘remaining silent’, it is inflaming the situation

    Seems like I located yor “false equivalence” 😉

    I see you think you think yor knowing ABBA is someoneWho yomm? 🙂

  362. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 16, 2022 5:28 pm

    Just try to outline the rationale for NOT advising the CCP about the likely consequences of them supporting Russia’s invasion of Ukraine

  363. ivi permalink
    March 16, 2022 5:32 pm

    (Ow, it hurts! Look, I’m bleeding.)

  364. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 16, 2022 10:07 pm

    MN

    I noticed you did not reply to my questions. You made the statement doing the rounds on left wing blogs that Menzies ran deficit budgets so deficit budget are OK. Here is my question again

    “””” How the hell did Menzies/Coalition take govt debt from 90% of GDP to ZERO by 1972 while running deficit budgets????????????????????????????? “””

  365. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 17, 2022 8:52 am

    So, according to Eachway, anyone concerned about the bullying that contributed to Senator Kitching’s death is being disrespectful. Disrespectful to the Mean Girls, I guess. Where is the sisterhood now? And why won’t the ALP investigate this cabal of cuntesses?

  366. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2022 9:53 am

    I wonder whether the fascist sympathisers here would have given Putin the green light to bomb Paris a few years ago, after they elected a neo Nazi mayor

  367. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2022 12:13 pm

    anyone concerned about the bullying that contributed to Senator Kitching’s death is being disrespectful.

    What ‘bullying’? I have seen Shorten speaking about how tough politics is, but no mention of bullying. But, you’ll be able to set me straight, I’m sure?

  368. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2022 12:15 pm

    I wonder whether the fascist sympathisers here

    That would be you, wouldn’t it?
    “(Ow, it hurts! Look, I’m bleeding.)”

  369. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2022 12:26 pm

    The apologists for the fascist Putin are the ones (like you) who try to add an excuse/context or say -“look over there/here or blame the west.
    Such is your STUPID disdain for western democracy

  370. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2022 12:34 pm

    So, laying out all the facts is ‘being an apologist’?

    You like your history well filtered I guess?

  371. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2022 1:17 pm

    I’m confused … first we’re all communists, then communism is fascism and then fascists are Nazis and communists are socialists …

    And ABBA is a political group …

    Lord ToM should write a thesis … he’s good at spelling and grammar … and WTF is he on? … I need to avoid it …

  372. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2022 1:50 pm

    and WTF is he on? … I need to avoid it …

    I was actually hoping he could score me some. I need some alt-reality I reckon

    (psst, I think he’s implying MN is ABBA (from the old days))

  373. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 17, 2022 2:19 pm

    “I’m confused … first we’re all communists, then communism is fascism and then fascists are Nazis and communists are socialists …”

    Communists are socialists. They are one type of socialist. National socialists are a different version of the same disease.

  374. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 17, 2022 2:29 pm

    Things are going to plan for Biden. He has encouraged/provoked a war which serves the purpose of giving him the opportunity to distract from his catastrophic incompetence and to blame the consequences like oil prices and inflation on the war.

    At least Biden doesn’t appear to want to turn the conflict into WWIII. But he will want an ongoing insurgency until the midterms.

    None of this excuses what Putin has done or diminishes his responsibility for the carnage he has wrought on the people of Ukraine.

  375. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2022 3:40 pm

    Apologists for the fascist Putin-
    * Have a disdain for western liberal democracy that overwhelms their rationality
    * Contextualise/excuse the fascist’s invasion by pointing to every error made by the USA
    * Call the heads up “sickening”, that the US gave the CCP about the likely repercussions of them supporting Russia’s invasion
    * Knowingly or unknowingly excuse or rationalise the brutal invasion of Ukraine
    Everyone that engages in the above tactics is a stupid fascist supporting F**KWIT

  376. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2022 3:45 pm

    Call the heads up

    I wasn’t a ‘heads up’, it was an allegation, unfounded.

    If you don’t like facts yomm, keep reading yor murdoch rags

  377. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2022 3:53 pm

    Outlining the likely repercussions of the CCP supporting a fascist invasion of Ukraine is “sickening”
    A F**KWIT

  378. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2022 4:47 pm

    … blame the consequences like oil prices and inflation on the war …

    So he’s responsible for Australia’s too … not Putin after all …

    Don’t let Good Lord! ToM know … you’ll be called a radicaL fascist, communal, socialite, influencing nazi!

    Get Out of Jail Cards are invalid at TGT

    None of this excuses what Putin has done or diminishes his responsibility for the carnage he has wrought on the people of Ukraine.

    Just like each way bets, they are.

  379. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2022 4:59 pm

    Outlining the likely repercussions of the CCP supporting a fascist invasion of Ukraine is “sickening”

    It is when it is all made up.

    “If you continue to masturbate in public yomm, there will be repercussions for you!”

    (I cannot confirm if the above example is made up or not)

  380. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 17, 2022 5:32 pm

    All made up… because the fascist Russia and the CCP deny it. Yeah, that’s persuasive.
    You and RB are incapable of posting any credible view about the Russian invasion of Ukraine
    There’s always going to be a qualification to give the brutal rich expansionist murderous fascist some excuse… “but look what we did or the west encouraged them, or they are led by a comedian or some other look over there…
    All to obfuscate and provide cover to the fascist Putin

  381. TB Queensland permalink
    March 17, 2022 7:29 pm

    You and RB are incapable of posting any credible view about the Russian invasion of Ukraine

    So WTF is RB? A mate of ABBA or wot?

    As for the rest ??? Surely it’s all Dan’s fault anyway!

    (TR, are you insinuating that the Good Lord! ToM is a … nay, I dare not say …….. a wanker!)

    Surely, he could ask splats for a “favour” 🤣

  382. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2022 10:00 pm

    There’s always going to be a qualification to give the brutal rich expansionist murderous fascist some excuse…

    See, always on morrisons side you are 🙂

    Surely, he could ask splats for a “favour”

    You know there are some things that can’t be unseen TB,thanks for that.

  383. Tom R permalink
    March 17, 2022 10:44 pm

  384. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 18, 2022 10:49 am

    I don’t get what is hard about this. The simplistic view is Putin bad therefor Biden and Zelensky good.

    Putin is responsible for his decisions and actions. There was no excuse for him to go to war. The death and carnage wreaked upon Ukrainians is all Putin’s fault.

    Nevertheless, Biden is advantaged by all of this. And he could have done things to de-escalate the situation rather than invite Putin in.

  385. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2022 11:26 am

    … rather than invite Putin in.

    Please explain?

  386. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 18, 2022 11:57 am

    In January Biden was threatening Russia if they invaded Ukraine, but he said minor incursions were a different thing. Nothing projects weakness like a corrupt senile fool who can barely complete a sentence.

    Obama and Biden wouldn’t provide military aid at all. Trump did. Biden continued the policy but kept dragging his heels which also sent a message to the Russians.

  387. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2022 12:10 pm

    Nothing projects weakness like a corrupt senile fool who can barely complete a sentence.

    Except a Trump in the Whitehouse … who would probably give the Russians air-cover (if he could build a Trump Tower in Moscow of course) … its all so easily negotiated …

    While we are burbling nonsense politics … people are dying and being maimed in Ukraine by Russians … despite Biden’s senility not because of it … PUTIN would have attacked anyway because of 6500 nuclear weapons …

    Get rid of Putin and get Russia to join the EEC … if you haven’t seen this you should …

  388. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2022 12:20 pm

    The death and carnage wreaked upon Ukrainians is all Putin’s fault.

    Well said Splats

  389. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2022 12:34 pm

    TR, yep, read that this morning …

  390. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 18, 2022 1:23 pm

    Fact is, unlike Obama, Trump armed the Ukrainians and told Putin that he would bomb Russia if Putin moved on Ukraine. Putin, who grabbed territory under Bush, Obama and now Biden, refrained from doing that while Trump was president. Trump is the only recent president not to start a war.

    OTOH, Obama told the Russians he would have “more flexibility” in his second term. Putin, knowing a feckless fool when sees one, waited until Obama’s second term and then seized Ukraine.

    The shame of it is that Biden didn’t arm Ukraine as well as he armed his mates in the Taliban.

  391. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 18, 2022 1:34 pm

    So now NYT reports Hunter’s laptop was legit and the emails have been authenticated.

    Before the election it was derided as Russian propaganda by Fake news and references to it were scrubbed from social media.

  392. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 18, 2022 2:04 pm

    Funnily enough the usual suspects seem less exercised by this and the fatal Kitching bullying.

    “Emma Husar — who held the seat of Lindsay for the ALP from 2016 to 2019 — claims the “toxic culture” in the party, and stress of being “bullied by powerbrokers”, caused her to develop a heart condition.

    She is now directing her anger squarely at current Opposition Leader, Mr Albanese, saying his outrage over the use of the term “mean girls” was a form of gaslighting.

    “A woman lost her life and there were circumstances that point to the Labor Party, but what Albo is doing here (by turning the phrase around) is absolute gaslighting,” she said.”

    I’m sure Mongrel Milligan and her ABC colleagues will be on the case – making it disappear as quickly as possible.

  393. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2022 2:15 pm

    You have to wonder at why someone who complains about the toxic nature of politics, would us such a toxic time to jump back into the ring.

    Beginning to see why she wasn’t liked very much.

    Still, no one can support any of the allegations against ….the dead woman

    Our media is a cesspool

  394. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2022 2:18 pm

    Hard to keep up with all the Federalist history … and so many points of mmmm concern,confusion,conflictionconfabulation,concern,confection, ahhh creation!

  395. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2022 2:19 pm

    bugger – cesspool!

  396. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 18, 2022 3:12 pm

    Good for TB and Tom R for unequivocally condemning Putin’s invasion of Ukraine

  397. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2022 3:29 pm

    Good for TB and Tom R for unequivocally condemning Putin’s invasion of Ukraine …………. again .. 😦

  398. TB Queensland permalink
    March 18, 2022 3:51 pm

    Still …

  399. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2022 4:00 pm

    🙂

  400. ivi permalink
    March 18, 2022 8:06 pm

    (….and what of teh (un)supportive CCP?)

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    March 23, 2022 11:54 am

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