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March 18, 2022
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Have a great weekend reb.
Fingers crossed, SA kicks out the assholes for another decade this weekend
“SA kicks out the assholes for another decade this weekend”
Indeed!
We now know why Senator Kitching died but who was bullying Shane Warne?
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G’day reb! Ya still on hols?
@ MN … my thoughts exactly … Bill Shorten sadly lit the fuse inadvertently …
How is Penny Wong’s insult to Kimberly Kitchen about not having children, so she wouldn’t understand, so different from those directed to Gillard a decade ago.
The main differences are-
* People might expect better of an ALP woman
* Over the past decade, we should have progressed a little
* ALP types are hypocrites about such matters
“Kitching”
So ‘arguments’, ‘debates’, the ‘writing of history’, etc can be somewhat more complicated than just citing ‘facts’? (Of which there is almost an infinite number.)
And we remember Bill Heffernan – claiming that deputy Labor leader Julia Gillard was unfit to lead the nation because she was ādeliberately barrenā. Fact or not?
Exactly! We had someone widely and correctly regarded as a throw back to the 1950s because he attempted to use Gillard’s childless status to make a political point
A decade later we have Wong use the childless status of Kitching to attempt to make a point point.
The difference is that hypocrites will look for ways to minimise Wong’s insult
So a ‘fact’ can also be an ‘insult’?
Isn’t it a ‘fact’ that Bill Heffernan’s statement of ‘fact’ re ‘Gillard’ can also be factually applied to ‘Wong’ herself? Or are their other matters to be considered when it comes to better insights?
Or is that becoming too complicated?
Then there’s ‘there’ and ‘their’. Lol.
I’m sorry to hear about the good Senators death of course but she was more conservative than most Liberals and should have been in the Liberal party.
There’s not much difference between the two party’s these days.
How is Penny Wongās insult to Kimberly Kitchen about not having children, so she wouldnāt understand, so different from those directed to Gillard a decade ago.
Because it is a common saying, but then I guess, you not having children, you wouldn’t understand.
It’s a far cry from ‘deliberately barren’, which carries a baggage of implications.
And if you don’t think there is much to it, remember it occurred at the height of the liberal outbreak of bullying and misogyny within their own ranks, and it barely raised a peep. But now, when one, who had a record of playing it extremely tough, isn’t there for their side of the events, it’s become an issue
It’s the depths of the msm to date. But, we still have further to go, I’m sure.
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Hi john O’Callaghan, you sound extremely ill informed, to put it mildly
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Hard to tell how the comment aligns with this then TB? Maybe I’m confused?
https://polyfeministix.wordpress.com/2019/07/28/hey-hey-ho-ho-bothism-has-got-to-go/
You really have to wonder why a young man would feel the need to defend himself with scissors from the people sworn to protect
Itās the depths of the msm to date….
I dunno; autopsy(ies)-by-media seem(s) like good, clean fun; but, if the stats are remotely accurate, ‘the MSM’ might appear to be ‘ramping’ it (up) a bit.
Yep Shane Warne’s death came about because he WAS not invited to join the Labor Party. Thus he felt ‘rejected’; ‘shunned’; ‘isolated’; etc
Dan Andrews is giving him a State funeral to assuage his guilt.
(It’s a story doing the rounds in certain circles.)
Sad to say even Tingle’s in on the act:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-19/kimberley-kitching-death-allegations-labor-ranks-albanese/100922050
And they say there’s an ABC bias agin’ THIS government.
So SA Labor wins easily. Nevertheless, Albo will have (unstated) regrets because some of the pent up feelings against Morrison will now be released. Political blood’s been spilt.
On the other hand, the incoming Labor government will access many more resources re the coming Federal campaign.
No doubt, Scott will seek advice from Jen.
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“You really have to wonder why a young man would feel the need to defend himself with scissors from the people sworn to protect”
Probably the same reason he felt the need to threaten two other policemen with an axe.
Probably the same reason he tried to strangle his girlfriend, dragged around by her hair, threw her down stairs and then kicked her and punched her in the face as she lay on the ground. Same reason he broke her hand with a steel bar, no doubt. The girlfriend’s grandfather “gave” her to Walker when she was 14.
Probably the same reason he and his thug mates so terrorised the nurses living in Yuendumu that NT Health had to temporarily withdraw them. (His own actions resulted in there being no medical staff to treat him when he was shot.)
Walker likely had fetal alcohol syndrome. From Warren Mundine’s article in the Australian:
Mongrel leftist policy dictates that this sort of thing will continue down the generations. Failure to rescue is unforgivable. Maintaining remote welfare-dependent communities is calculated to have this effect. Intergenerational welfare is bad enough in some Western Sydney suburbs and it is even worse in remote communities with less access to jobs.
Mundine correctly concludes:
Like you, Tom R, lefties will bagging the cop. What they won’t do is look hard at the horrific abuse inflicted on Walker’s girlfriend and the wider problems of substance abuse, violence and sexual abuse including incestuous pedophilia that plague some remote communities.
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“Gāday reb! Ya still on hols?”
Nah, back at the toil I’m afraid TB, but not for much longer if all things fall into place this year… š
and the wider problems of substance abuse, violence and sexual abuse including incestuous pedophilia that plague some remote communities.
Probably because we’ve been lied about in regards to this before
It was justified with and made possible by propaganda ā distortions and lies. The Australian media played a vital role, notably the ABC.
https://newmatilda.com/2017/06/23/bad-aunty-seven-years-how-abc-lateline-sparked-racist-nt-intervention/
And still are
Thereās mounting evidence against cashless debit cards, but the government is ploughing on regardless
https://theconversation.com/theres-mounting-evidence-against-cashless-debit-cards-but-the-government-is-ploughing-on-regardless-123763
Hope things fall into place!
But I can’t understand why retired people say they don’t know how they ever had time to work…
What’s the use of being retired if you just fill your day up with busy stuff!! Try a relaxed itinerary
* Cafe and newspapers
* Look at the surf, maybe go in an annoy some young surfers
* Faff around in the garden
* Read a book
* Annoy some people on social media
* Go to another cafe
* Go to a restaurant
The days just fly!!
… not for much longer if all things fall into place this yearā¦
Best of luck, mate … hope it works for you.
We live in interesting times …
Good Lord! ToM, lives in stranger times? š
” Annoy some people on social media”
The thought had occurred to me.
Although I must say that I’m not short of ppl who say:
But you’re too young to retire.
What will yo do?
Won’t you get bored?
You can’t be too careful
That’s a big decision/move
I imagine most are well meaning but FFS, I’ve managed to get thru life thus far with all the bullshit and survival tactics that are required, don’t you think I’dl know by now, when I’m ready to call time on the captiliatistic facsist machine machine that’s enabled me to get reasonably fkn comfortable and now spend some time doing what I’dactually like with the rest of my fkn life?
But no. š
Approximately 5% of the Queensland population claim Aboriginal ethnic descent, yet 40% of the children in ‘care’ come from that group. Statistically, it’s an obvious over-representation, particularly when the vast majority of social workers only commit children to ‘care’ as a last resort. Why? Because it doesn’t work, especially in the longer term. Indeed can cause more harm than good.
So why do they ‘commit’ when they know it doesn’t work? Particularly in the longer term. The answer is because it’s even worse to leave them in their current situation. Yes, removal is but a ‘band-aid’ but if that’s all you have, then it’s better than nothing. At least something has been done.
Enter the Cashless Welfare Card.
First a disclaimer. Personally, I don’t care if any adult (Aboriginal or White) pisses all their dollars against a wall, or loses it all in poker machines. As adults, in a free society, that is their right. Freedom and all that. But (and it’s a very big but), if there’s children involved, then the argument changes completely. Put simply, children (and those who really care for them on a day to day basis) should have rights too.
Sure the Cashless Welfare Card (as a concept) violates rights etc but it’s well to remember that some women think (know) it’s great and many children do as well. Perhaps we might listen to them?
Nevertheless it’s a big topic and the above only scratches the surface.
” Because it doesnāt work”
What doesn’t work is the current system. Paying people in the middle of the desert with no real access to jobs sit-down money is a crime against them. The reluctance to rescue coupled with a determination to place kids with indigenous families rather than non-indigenous families better able to care for them is a complete train wreck. Often you end up with foster parents caring for six or seven kids in one family. They can’t and don’t get the attention they need in that situation.
It is child abuse to educate kids in their native language spoken, by a few thousand people at most, with English as a second language. Their life choices are diminished by this decision.
Non-removal didn’t work for Walker’s girlfriend. He grandfather “gave” her to a violent thug when she was 14. Her situation is not unique. Where are the white upper-middle class feminists on this issue? Too busy playing mean girls, I guess. Or being voices of Simon Holmes Ć Court.
A lot of leftists may be well-intentioned. But their policies have comprehensively failed. Today’s leftists now know this and cannot possibly be ignorant of the tragic consequences of their failed policies. They have no shame, no decency and no excuse. Vast amounts of money are thrown at this problem and yet things don’t improve. It is time for a change.
I have a sister who is a social worker working with indigenous clients. She has to deal with traumatic situations every day. She can see the problems and is constantly frustrated by the difficulties of getting abused kids to good homes. And even then there is no permanence or stability for the children who are often shuttled back and forth between foster families and “community”. There is an agenda-driven bureaucracy whose policies ensure that people like Walker and his girlfriend will continue to be abused and that many of those in turn become abusers.
Re:
If you’re lucky. Often it’s many more. Because the ‘right’ foster parents are (almost) impossible to find. Not ‘good/right’ to take them and it’s not ‘good/right’ to leave them. An ongoing dilemma.
Indeed! But that applies (generally) no matter where they are located. Racism is alive and well across Australia and the darker the skin, the more pronounced it is. Not peculiar to Australia by the way because (colored) minority groups face the same difficulties across the world.
Indeed they are but are you suggesting that ‘right-wingers’ aren’t so well intentioned?
That introduces ethical issues . Should those who ‘care’ be driven by deontological ethics with its emphasis on intentions ? (The Ten Commandments being deontological in nature.) Or should ‘decision-makers’ be motivated by teleological concerns – be outcome driven? Or should their metaphorical bible be existential ethics? Be driven by perceived circumstances? No easy answers?
How ethical is it to ‘school’ up certain groups, knowing full well that their ‘education’ will alienate them from their culture/peers/family etc?
And forget this pejorative bullshit about an agenda driven bureaucracy. Just imagine a bureaucracy without an agenda? Without hierarchy, without rules, without accountability, etc, etc. Imaging Question Time. Imagine the MSM. Imagine ‘right-wing’ bloggers?
Finally:
It is time for a change.
Yep! We’ve tried adding arsenic to the flour, poisoning the waterholes, driving them over cliffs … putting them in prisons etc. So what do you suggest? Giving them back their traditional lands? Their stolen wages? Where should we draw the line? And why?
(Seriously there’s no easy answers here. And that applies across the world. Ban-aids seem necessary for the immediate future. BUT how moral would it be to simply give up?)
“Because the ārightā foster parents are (almost) impossible to find.”
If you exclude non-indigenous families.
“Racism is alive and well across Australia”
Yep – everything is all about racism, isn’t it? Even though we live in the least racist times, it isn’t going away, apparently.
” the darker the skin, the more pronounced it is.”
Bess Price knows all about it. While Bess is on the ground helping people in NT the lighter-skinned city dwelling wanker, Larissa Behrendt is harassing her (and dreaming of sex with a horse).
” are you suggesting that āright-wingersā arenāt so well intentioned?”
Not at all. I was merely contrasting the intended outcome with the actual outcome.
“How ethical is it to āschoolā up certain groups, knowing full well that their āeducationā will alienate them from their culture/peers/family etc?”
Those kids deserve the same education and the same life choices as other kids. And it isn’t a binary choice as you suggest. This is a basic human rights issue.
“And forget this pejorative bullshit about an agenda driven bureaucracy. Just imagine a bureaucracy without an agenda?”
I’m all for good policy based on an agenda of benefiting clients and the community. Bureaucrats should not persist with a failed agenda which causes grotesque human suffering.
“BUT how moral would it be to simply give up?”
I’m not advocating giving up. Warren Mundine’s article I linked to above has some suggestions. If you don’t have access I can post some of the relevant bits if you are interested.
But their policies have comprehensively failed.
You understand that for 2 decades, we have had conservative policies, and they have comprehensively failed. And they destroyed the ‘lefty’ policies, and complimented theirs, because they lied to us about it.
I agree with that Tom R. The lefty policies I object to have been continued by conservative governments.
The lefty policies I object to have been continued by conservative governments.
Such as?
The ones I mentioned above.
You didn’t actually mention any policies splats, you just had a go at certain people?
Well, apart from wtte ‘maintaining welfare dependent communities’, but, that has changed from the model of moving to self sustained communities to the welfare/intervention model, so, not sure which policies exactly you are referring to
I’ve posted about indigenous policy in the past, and I won’t bother to post all my views now
But a starting point for change-
* Identify cottage industries that could begin to sustain communities and provide plenty of government support for them.
* Indigenous art is uniquely Australian, and is valuable
* Fund and support the initiative (in part) from getting rid of most of the other art funding. Which is mainly an imitation of the latest trend from Europe.
* Look at the way surfboard supply operates as a cottage industry
Tom R, I also mentioned policy which limits cases in which kids can be rescued and the way those kids who are rescued are placed and the policies that often result in upheaval in the kids lives. Also I mentioned the policy of educating kids primarily in their native language.
There is also the issue of inadequate policing and servicing of those communities which are badly dysfunctional.
More generally multiculturalism is a dreadful policy. The tribalisation of society into separate grievance groups is toxic. We need a monoculture. That is a common core of beliefs applicable to and accepted by all Australians. Grievance mongers should have no role in society. They are pure poison.
which limits cases in which kids can be rescued and the way those kids who are rescued are placed
The stolen generation shows us why we have this. The fact that we don’t have the resources to support them where they are is the issue
Also I mentioned the policy of educating kids primarily in their native language.
Learning your own history has proven to be more beneficial for students.It’s not a waste of time, it teaches both learning skills, and pride.
There is also the issue of inadequate policing and servicing of those communities which are badly dysfunctional.
That is generic everywhere, but yes, more pronounced due to isolation
The tribalisation of society into separate grievance groups is toxic
If that’s what you think multiculturalism is, then I think I see the issue here š
That is a common core of beliefs applicable to and accepted by all Australians.
You mean, like pretending first nation communities are rife with pedophiles in order to run an ‘intervention?
Or to lie about the outcomes of state managed social security funds in order to continue to state manage social security funds?
Identify cottage industries that could begin to sustain communities and provide plenty of government support for them.
So, CDEP. In other words, ‘a starting point for change’ would be to unwind everything done since howard and continue on from there š
“We need a monoculture. That is a common core of beliefs applicable to and accepted by all Australians.”
Oddly enough, a certain German historical figure had the same idea in 1939. šÆ
This TomRs friend
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/google-failed-to-remove-racist-friendlyjordies-videos-of-john-barilaro-despite-knowing-of-personal-vendetta-court-told/ar-AAViuK1?ocid=msedgntp
Google knew a popular YouTube comedian had a “personal vendetta” against former NSW deputy premier John Barilaro but left “racist” videos online that mocked his Italian heritage, a court has heard.
Mr Barilaro is suing Google over two videos posted by comedian and political commentator Jordan Shanks, who is known online as FriendlyJordies.
The videos, posted in September and October in 2020, accused Mr Barilaro of years of corrupt decision making, relied on racial stereotypes about the mafia and used slurs like “fat wog c**k”, and “decadent conman”.
Mr Shanks used a fake Italian accent in the videos, which are still live on YouTube, and can be seen leaving a giant Mario toy in a bed at Mr Barilaro’s guesthouse which he rented through Airbnb.
The last bit needs to be repeated
Mr Shanks used a fake Italian accent in the videos, which are still live on YouTube,
and can be seen leaving a giant Mario toy in a bed at Mr Barilaro’s guesthouse which he rented through Airbnb.
Jordies was stalking the MP not doing Journalism
Oddly enough, a certain German historical figure had the same idea in 1939.
Yes, that sprung into my mind too, but I thought I’d try appeasement š
Jordies was stalking the MP not doing Journalism
Yor confused dopey, that was his producer who was alleged to have ‘stalked’ the disgraced former MP, before that got thrown out of court
Jordies simply used the disgraced former MP’s actions in his political life to highlight the falsity of this image. Oh, and Friendly’s is of the same heritage š
Is it really ‘shooting the messenger’, when the messenger isn’t delivering news, but rather putrid, unfounded rumours ?
I would say this was stalking
Mr Shanks used a fake Italian accent in the videos, which are still live on YouTube, and can be seen leaving a giant Mario toy in a bed at Mr Barilaroās guesthouse which he rented through Airbnb.
Interesting discussion above … this caught my eye …
Also I mentioned the policy of educating kids primarily in their native language.
The Minister and I lived in PNG in 1988 and I travelled across the country as part of my work for Elcom. PNG has around 850 languages … most Nationals know at least four languages, English, Pidgin, Motu and their village language.
PNG’s National language is English … for many good reasons …
Australian First People have over 250 languages … see a good reason there?
Oddly enough, a certain German historical figure had the same idea in 1939.
And oddly enough most Germans and Austrians speak very good English! š
Shhhhhh, don’t tell Kneel …
Or all the people flooded out in SEQ and Northern Rivers NSW … š«š²š§
Good to see SlicMo saving money again … oh, wait! š
I would say this was stalking
So, airbnb users are ‘stalkers’ lol
TomR
Why was Jordies staying at the MPs airbnb? He was following him around. He was being a pain. He was just trying to antagonize the guy and not doing journalism.
Rupert Mordoch’s mob must be really short of money, or intelligent staff (deliberately dumb?) … take a look at the third photo down … very 1970’s apart from the photoshopped 2022 woman in the foreground … LOL!
Ford Cortina, double decker, Falcon ute and I think that’s a Ford Galaxy … oh! a 1970 VW Kombie! And the train … don’t forget the train …
Although NSW is the only Liberal State now … makes it easier to track the pork barrels …
Silliness of the digital age … as I tell my kids – the advantage I have I know the questions to Google … š
Why was Jordies staying at the MPs airbnb?
What did, splats, call ’em – serial whingers? I suppose it’s more, series conspiracy whinger.
Re – “need a monoculture”.
That’s what China is attempting currently. Going to great extent(s) with social ‘rewards’ and/or ‘punishments’ supported by a massive surveillance network.
An interesting ‘experiment’ to say the least.
Of course many individuals are in favor but only if it’s the ‘other’ that does the changing.
He was just trying to antagonize the guy and not doing journalism.
He showed that, not only did the disgraced former MP lie about having to travel to his modest farm to ‘feed the chooks’ during a lockdown, but that he actually owned a large, plush, well stocked bnb that didn’t need any maintenance at all. He was doing journalism, and it’s thanks to him, and his journalism, both the dodgy premier, and the dodgier disgraced former MP are now both … former
He did better journalism than the rest of the #auspol msm combined
Then why did he leave a “”giant Mario toy” at the guesthouse.???
I had the misfortune to come across one of Jordies Youtube clips and he was asking his audience if he would he get sued because of his actions?? He was just provoking the MP and not doing journalism
Then why did he leave a āāgiant Mario toyā at the guesthouse.?
Oh, he definitely poked fun at him, he’s a ‘comedian’
But it was his journalism that got both of premier and bruz eternal to quit, because his journalism was spot on
Meanwhile, I see Kimberly Kitching’s husband wasn’t on board with the ALP notion of shutting up about the bullying she experienced.
There is no chance the ALP will address its bullying problem. It is an entrenched part of Labor culture. If they took it seriously that pernicious dogfucker Eachway Albo would resign in shame.
There is no chance the ALP will address its bullying problem
What bullying problem?
Ah, the one from the media running unsubstantiated slurs using a dead woman as a shield because she cannot give her own account of what happened. THAT bullying problem?
Did you notice that her husband referred to the problem during his eulogy?
But the ALP hacks regard that as poor taste
But the ALP hacks regard that as poor taste
They probably consider dumping a $3 million debt on your wife and fleeing the country as poor taste too. If these are the people you are believing, then that’s your option.
Just remember, when you lie down with dogs ….
“What bullying problem?”
Exactly.
So the husband makes an emotional eulogy, and he’s to blame!
That’s a typical blame the victim mentality
Exactly.
I see what you did there š
or didn’t do š
Thatās a typical blame the victim mentality
Here I was assuming the victim was dead.
But, nice to see that you are on board with dumping a $3 million debt on your wife and fleeing the country
Another typical comment. Don’t you think victims might include the family of the deceased, who happened to be relentlessly bullied by some of her fellow ALP colleagues?
“Here I was assuming the victim was dead.”
That only makes it worse!
As always, different people construct a different reality:
Love his (Guy Rundle) final line – You find that too awful to believe? Then donāt join the Labor Party, cos itāll kill ya.
“relentlessly bullied”
Fact check on aisle three please.
Usual BS from semi-literate Marxist grub Rundle.
“the ābullyingā thing”
That is the question, not the answer.
“It appears to mark the end of any notion of Labor as a party expressing toughness and resilience in a fight against capital.”
If we are going to win the class war then we have to bully better!
As every Minister (including the Prime Minister) in every political party know(s) –
Just ask Rudd, Gillard, Hawke, Keating, Turnbull, Abbott, Morrison …
It was ever thus.
“Fact check on aisle three please.”
Are you serious? Maybe start with the Fair Work Act definition and try again.
Unless you prefer to ignore or excuse workplace bullying
I’ve saved you the trouble…
Bullying at work happens when:
*a person or group of people repeatedly behave unreasonably towards another worker or group of workers
*the behaviour creates a risk to health and safety.
So, is anyone suggesting the behaviour of the “mean girls” wasn’t unreasonable or that it didn’t happen on numerous occasions? And it seems that the state of health of Kimberly Kitching satisfies the second point.
So, is anyone suggesting the behaviour of the āmean girlsā wasnāt unreasonable or that it didnāt happen on numerous occasions?
What exactly are these alleged ‘mean girls’ supposed to have done?
And it seems that the state of health of Kimberly Kitching satisfies the second point.
Her existing health condition and lifestyle would have played a much larger role than a stressful job.
It was ever thus.
Yep, it’s called politics. And rundle is just glad of an excuse to take the focus away from his precious greens
It’s one thing they all have in common, backroom brawling.
This needs to be discerned from ongoing examples of sexual abuse
You’re obviously not very familiar with the process around bullying allegations.
1. It’s a reverse onus of proof.
2. It doesn’t have to be intentional
3. It only has to contribute to the health risk
4. Casual or informal ostracism is a form of bullying, so are comments that can be perceived as ill intended, even if they aren’t deliberate.
5. In any hearing, an advocate would certainly prefer to argue Kitching’s case to the ALP’s
Itās a reverse onus of proof.
This brings us back to this
āFact check on aisle three please.ā
Where is the evidence of Kitching making an allegation?
Which makes all your other ‘points’ pointless
Bizarre!
Now you’re arguing that a dead person has to make a complaint
Now youāre arguing that a dead person has to make a complaintto be fair, your ‘points’
forgot to mention that bullying is a third person, after the event, spectator issue
Are you aware that anyone can make a complaint about an OHS issue, regardless of whether they are directly effected?
Keep digging, you’re typically defending a poor organisational culture on a political basis
Are you aware that anyone can make a complaint about an OHS issue
Yes, but you need the concerned parties to be there to confirm
But withe way, who has done that? I know there has been some whining to the media, but with nothing more than slurs and aspersions
This brings us back to this
āFact check on aisle three please.ā
This is true:
(Keep digging, youāre typically defending a poor organisational culture on a political basis
Indeed; (extra-)ordinary differences of opinion about (self-(mis)direction and (lack of) self-)control in the workplace are signal of (dis)organisational culture; unless (un)reasonably (mis)managed; one supposes.)
But it was his journalism that got both of premier and bruz eternal to quit, because his journalism was spot on
This is proof that people believe what they want to believe and facts are irrelevant. AS if a journalist would leave a giant Mario toy to make a point or to be funny.
Jordies was a smartass
He also was a stalker
Jordies was a smartass
Yes, and he outsmarted the disgraced pollies, by using facts
He also was a stalker
Again, you have the wrong person, that was his producer who was accused of that. and it was thrown out of court
( Australian First People have over 250 languages ā¦ see a good reason there?
No?)
TomR
Please go away and try and deceive somebody else with your deceitful comments.
You support stalking
(You support stalking
Who doesn’t???)
“”(You support stalking
Who doesnāt???)””
Anti Labor people.
Jordies was a stalker trying to make out he was doing independent journalism.
For the sake of argument let us say he was right about the Coalition Minister.?
Do you think Jordies would act the same with a Labor Minister??
Jordies was a partisian hack just making things more difficult for everybody. I doubt he did anything useful
For the sake of argument let us say he was right about the Coalition Minister.?
You mean the ones who left in disgrace?
Do you think Jordies would act the same with a Labor Minister??
Thanks TomR
He mentions a Labor council govt.
Did he ever mention the 8,469 children Rudd/Gillard locked up from 2008-2013. Or any State or Federal Labor govt??
Or the car industry Labor destroyed from 2008-2013??
From the Christian Porter Guide to Successful Litigation comes the next chapter in Ben Roberts-Smith’s remarkable defamation proceedings…
“Ben Roberts-Smith’s former girlfriend tells defamation trial he punched her in face in Canberra hotel room”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-22/ben-roberts-smith-punched-woman-in-face-at-hotel-court-told/100930366
Here’s why Kimberly Kitching wasn’t bullied
* She didn’t use the official ALP complaints system to note her treatment
* She only told her friends, and this is inadmissible evidence
* She was married to someone the ALP doesn’t like
* This doesn’t happen in the ALP
* Being ostracised in the ALP is common and she would have know this
* Man up, politics is tough
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/former-nsw-deputy-premier-john-barilaro-says-racist-youtube-videos-drove-him-to-consider-self-harm/ar-AAVlvw0?ocid=msedgntp
“”” Former NSW deputy premier John Barilaro has told a court that Google’s refusal to delete “vile, racist” videos made him hesistant to leave his home and drove him to consider “self-harm”.
Mr Barilaro is suing the technology giant for defamation over two videos posted on its YouTube channel in 2020 by comedian Jordan Shanks, who is known online as FriendlyJordies….. The videos in question, titled “Bruz” and ‘”Secret Dictatorship”, have attracted hundreds of thousands of views.
Mr Barilaro claims they portray him as “a fat, decadent conman” and are filled with racial slurs and stereotypes, linking him to the Mafia and referring to him as a “greasy wog”….He said members of the public who had viewed the videos would confront him aggressively, flashing FriendlyJordies merchandise which mocked him and calling him a “corrupt piece of s**t.”….In the video, the YouTuber placed toys depicting the Nintendo character Mario throughout the house, including in one of the beds.
“Waking up with Mario in the bed ā that’s a scene from ‘The Godfather’,” Mr Barilaro told the court.””””””
Hereās why Kimberly Kitching wasnāt bullied
āFact check on aisle three please.ā
āBen Roberts-Smithās former girlfriend tells defamation trial he punched her in face in Canberra hotel roomā
Only doing what he was trained to do. (again, he is the litigant, right?)
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Just keep excusing the ALP for the behaviour you condemn in other parties
Once again TomR
āWaking up with Mario in the bed ā thatās a scene from āThe Godfatherā,ā Mr Barilaro told the court.āāāāāā
āFact check on aisle yomm please.ā
“Just keep excusing the ALP for the behaviour you condemn in other parties”
Can’t recall you condemning this but I’m sure you will have a link to prove me wrong…
Even eeb seems to have given up on that line
But keep defending the indefensible
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Though the French find it distasteful English is now the virtual International language (though its awkward in Chile too) …
The PNG government declared English as the national language and it’s taught in schools … but Nationals still learn their village wontok, Motu and Pidgin …
No reason why our Aboriginal people can’t learn both their mob language and English (not in that order) – I know which one will benefit them the most …
Nothing to see here…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-22/ministers-asked-to-apologise-for-groaning/100930282
Nor here…
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-22/mp-gareth-ward-charged-historical-sexual-abuse/100929714
“Even eeb seems to have given up on that line”
eeb…??
And while on the subject of correct usage – there’s “effect” and then there’s “affect”.
TomR
Did you read my link? Here part of it again. Your hero Mr Shanks in action
.In the video, the YouTuber placed toys depicting the Nintendo character Mario throughout the house, including in one of the beds.
āWaking up with Mario in the bed ā thatās a scene from āThe Godfatherā,ā Mr Barilaro told the court.āāāāāā
The guy was stalking the Coalition Minister. How would you like being stalked??
But keep defending the indefensible
I’m not defending anything. I’m simply asking you to show something to support your, and the rabid medias, assertions. Something that is not hearsay from a political player.
Mr Barilaro told the court.
Mr Ashley Madison himself, or, should I say ‘JOHNLOVESTOLICK’ (yes,the actual username of the Ashley Madison account linked to Bruz’s old email address)
That’s just golden lol
Is this an example of “bullying”? Or is “bullying” gender specific?
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/perrottet-tells-ward-to-quit-or-face-expulsion-from-parliament-after-sexual-assault-charges-20220322-p5a6w2.html
Where is the “due process”? Do reactions of this type vary according to Party of origin? Is the Premier’s ‘over-the-top’ call grounded in the fact that Kiama is now a ‘safe’ seat? Is this an example of Liberal factional bullying in action? Why isn’t Labor defending the Premier? Why isn’t Labor condemning the Premier?
Where is Albo in all this? After all, he is from NSW. Missing in action – again!
So many avenues for investigation. And that’s a fact! (Useless and irrelevant as most facts are.)
I get it TomR. What i do not get are you talking to me or Tom??
Stalking is OK according to you. Your Youtube clip is just stalking
And what has Ashley Madison got to do with anything?? So he left his wife?? So the guy is a scumbag?? So what??
.In the video, the YouTuber placed toys depicting the Nintendo character Mario throughout the house, including in one of the beds.
āWaking up with Mario in the bed ā thatās a scene from āThe Godfatherā,ā Mr Barilaro told the court.āāāāāā
How would you like to wake up with a toy on your bed left by Shanks??
Greek democracy was somewhat participatory . Nowadays, Western democracy is representative .
Yet we have the technology to make it (much more) participatory once again.
Might be worth a try because the current arrangements leave much to be desired.
I mean really Tom R.
You’re calling it hearsay! Hilarious! The woman is dead! How can it be anything other than hearsay?
That’s absolutely stupidly hilarious!
How would you like to wake up with a toy on your bed left by Shanks??
That’s a little personal, isn’t it š
But, to be clear, it was left in bed and breakfast. The cleaners would have found it. It wasn’t in JOHNLOVESTOLICK’s actual bed. I don’t think even friendlies would want to go near the actual bed of someone with an account linked to their email with the name JOHNLOVESTOLICK
How can it be anything other than hearsay?
Because, unlike a similar case, there is no documentary evidence of what these people (who have a very obvious political angle) are saying. And that is not from a lack of opportunity or due process. It is probably from a lack of … bullying.
As a few articles have mentioned, playing the game hard is not bullying, it is simply playing it hard. And she has been shown that she could give as good as anyone can.
But hey, remain in the gutter and keep slurring, it’s all you have.
Behaviour that isn’t reasonable is bullying. The “silent treatment” is bullying. Making careless or inconsiderate comments is bullying.
We know all of that occurred.
Aren’t you ashamed of defending a clear case of bullying?
The āsilent treatmentā is bullying.
…………
We know all of that occurred.
Yes, she leaked private party stuff, so they didn’t tell her any more. That’s not ‘the silent treatment’, that’s just common sense
Arenāt you ashamed of defending a clear case of bullying?
Arenāt you ashamed of calling evryday politics bullying?
Especially after remaining silent about the clear cases of bullying from the libs, especially towards Holgate, who basically got bullied out of her job, by the prim minister, from cowards castle.
Or reynolds, who also is playing your empty line, who actually called a (alleged) rape victim a ‘lying cow’
More stupid hilarity.
I specifically criticized the government about Christine Holgate, in many occasions and my criticism was at least as harsh as I’m directing to you.
So you’re either senile or a complete bullsh!t artist and apologist for bullies.
Meanwhile, you continue to excuse behaviour that clearly meets the definition of bullying because it’s a tough game.
Bullying is therefore excused in –
* a tough competitive job
* an industry with a historical culture of such behaviour
Good for you! A senile bullsh!t artist and s hypocrite
“Meanwhile, you continue to excuse behaviour that clearly meets the definition of
bullyingpolitics because itās a tough game.”fixed it š
Because, if it had met the definition of bullying, then, being the kind of political player she was, she would have used the substantial opportunities available to her to raise it with someone.
But, she didn’t. ergo, one can only deduce that these rancid slurs are just …. rancid slurs
Luckily for us, the voting public don’t appear as stupid as yomm.
Or is it ‘as partisan’
Hilarious!
Now we have the excuse that people that haven’t specifically made a complaint aren’t the victim of bullying!
An apologist for workplace bullying (as long as it is the ALP that does the bullying)
Now we have the excuse that people that havenāt specifically made a complaint arenāt the victim of bullying
I’m reading this in all sorts of different speeds, and it still sounds as stupid at any speed
Making careless or inconsiderate comments is bullying.
Sounds like a few commenters here.
Yes, it’s one of your ridiculous excuses- saying because there isn’t a record of a complaint, it didn’t happen
… one of your ridiculous excuses
Bully! š
Tom R could say-
* The behaviour was unacceptable
* It should not happen in any workplace
* The ALP should set higher standards for itself
…no, Tom R says-
* It’s a tough game, so it’s fine
ā¦no, Tom R says-
āFact check on aisle yomm please eeb.ā
Oh, and JOHNLOVESTOLICK š
You’re the one that’s getting all hysterical YoM.
To be frank, I haven’t seen anyone ‘defend’ the bullying.
All I’ve seen so far is you and others (with a vested interest and political bias) attempting to make the connection that somehow the reason this individual is dead is because of bullying at the hands of the Labor party.
Which is a very long bow indeed even by your ‘standards’.
Anyone would be mistaken for thinking she’d actually killed herself the way you’re carrying on.
You’ll have to show where I’ve suggested that her death was due to the bullying. Otherwise you’re inventing bullsh!t too.
The legal definition of bullying states that it may result in a risk to health. How is it possible to identify any further adverse reaction or risk?
Welcome to the defenders of bullying brigade
“Youāll have to show where Iāve suggested that her death was due to the bullying”
Exhibit A:
“The legal definition of bullying states that it may result in a risk to health. “
š
Clean up on aisle three !
Ah, it’s becoming clear why the media, and other clueless right wing sympathisers, are running an unsubstantiated smear campaign so hard.
“There’s a fox among the chickens
And a killer in the hounds”
(The Prisoner pt2)
Are you suggesting that the various ALP and union figures that have said her treatment by her colleagues took its toll on her health, aren’t telling the truth?
Keep digging
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Just another episode of team dishwater self imploding as they head towards an election. Without them team teabag would never get over the line. The dumping of the local brown quota girl in preference to the celebrity white quota girl won’t be a bad decision either. Thank dog blib stooten won’t lower their numbers.`
Are you suggesting that the various ALP and union figures that have said her treatment by her colleagues took its toll on her health, arenāt telling the truth?
No. But then, I know one in particular didn’t blame anyone either, it was the job. If that’s an issue, change politics.
And while you are at it, change any number of jobs that have high stress levels
And stress related to –
*being ostracised and
* ill considered and objectionable comments
…meets the legal definition of bullying
ā¦meets the legal definition of bullying
ostracised??
ill considered and objectionable comments??
You know when you go ‘technically, by the narrow definition it ‘might’ constitute, you’re scrapping the bottom of the barrel
And then when you use events that ‘may’ have occurred (if you believe partisan players) to even get that far
Yea, that’s a paper thin argument you are running there yomm More want than reason
“Yea, thatās a paper thin argument you are running there yomm More want than reason”
It’s a familiar refrain. š
YoM strolls in…
“Labor are terrible because of XYZ…..!!!”
“Have you get any evidence of XYZ…?”
“Why are you all defending XYZ…??!!”
š š š š š š š š š š š š
You two really don’t know much about this stuff. Perhaps stick to things you know more about. Like… no, I can’t think of a subject you know anything about
āWhy are you all defending XYZā¦??!!ā
yommLIKESTOSLUR
You two really donāt know much about this stuff.
“Tell me more, tell me more ……”
You obnoxious dipstick.
But, to be clear, it was left in bed and breakfast. The cleaners would have found it.
How do you know the cleaners would have found it?? As usual you are making stuff up.
In the video, the YouTuber placed toys depicting the Nintendo character Mario throughout the house, including in one of the beds.
This is what you and Jordies call journalism.
Can’t recall YoM condemning these outrageous slurs either …
Funny that…
Could it be, because he’s just a tiresome old partisan hack…..?
Why yes, I think it could….
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It’s clear that you know zero about this
That’s because you’re an apologist for the ALP/union “whatever it takes” culture. This is a culture built on subjugating the will individual to the interests of the collective.
Put downs, ill considered comments, isolating the individual are the typical ALP/union tactics. The ALP notices this as much as a fish notices water.
And you don’t even bother to try to understand or acknowledge the standard of evidence that applies in hearings about such matters
Keep digging
How do you know the cleaners would have found it?
I’m certain you haven’t seen the video, or the luxury residence that is rented as a bnb in the bush miles from where Bruz actually resides. This is how I know. When you have, get back to me š
Canāt recall YoM condemning these outrageous slurs either ā¦
I couldn’t either, but that probably because they’re easy to forget
And you donāt even bother to try to understand or acknowledge the standard of evidence that applies in hearings about such matters
She attended meetings, forced on them because of what goes on in the Liberal party (and, I’m sure, all parties), and nothing was raised there.
Perhaps she didn’t understand either.It’s a shame you weren’t on hand to mansplain it for her
Tom R has already proved to be a senile bulls**t artist, with his comment about Christine Holgate.
Keep digging!
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Iām certain you havenāt seen the video, or the luxury residence that is
rented as a bnb in the bush miles from where Bruz actually resides.
So you are assuming. Even if true so what?? And what was Jordies doing in a BNB in the bush??
What sort of sicko would leave toys throughout the house?? The sort of sicko you support. I guess you do the same thing. Leave threatening things against people you are stalking
āWaking up with Mario in the bed ā thatās a scene from āThe Godfatherā,ā Mr Barilaro told the court.āāāāāā
“Keep digging!”
I’m still not even sure what the hell you’re on about..*
On behalf of ‘eeb’ and myself, all we’ve seen is you work yourself up into a lather about some allegations of bullying which so far just seem to be little more than scuttlebutt.
But you know, knock yourself out..
* A regular occurrence.
It’s your blog, and therefore it is entirely within your rights that you post as many ill informed comments as you wish
with his comment about Christine Holgate.M
Yea, where you tried to blame it on Labor for raising the issue in the first place. Labor didn’t do anything except ask to explain, morrison was the one that ran her out. And we now know why. Smokescreen
So your brave defense of holgate as to try and blame it on Labor, who had nothing to with it. Yep, just a partisan hack
And what was Jordies doing in a BNB in the bush??
lol. What does anyone do in a BNB in the bush
And then you followed up with ‘threatening toys’ ROFL
(fyi, apart from rooting around, he also exposed more of the ex mps corruption, with the perfect backdrop)
lol. What does anyone do in a BNB in the bush
I do not know. Perhaps you could tell me?
It is my opinion that Jordies was stalking a Coalition MP. Something he would never do if the guy was a Labor MP.
Lots of Labor MPs are rooting around.
Jordies is a smartass.
No wonder you like him because you are just the same
I think you’ll find that I didn’t excuse anyone involved in the Christine Holgate debacle.
I specifically recall being critical of the government for recruiting a dynamic woman from the private sector, to bring in some private sector innovation, and then undermining/dismissing her for introducing private sector style innovation
Keep digging
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Bullying! Where’s YoM’s condemnation…….???
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And political enablers!
āPoliticians need to accept that criticism is part of political life ā¦ you donāt get to withhold services from people because they have a different political view to you.ā
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/23/sales-of-anti-pm-stickers-surge-after-council-threatens-rubbish-services
The LIberal Party is not even liberal … it should be re-named the Hypocrite Party!
Who did she say it about?
My dear, Oh! My God! Lord ToM are you simply ignoring the photo above this comment:
Are you suggesting that the various ALP and union figures that have said her treatment by her colleagues took its toll on her health, arenāt telling the truth?
Keep digging and you find that funny?
Or has the last boring three days been all about you?
And stress related to ā
*being ostracised and
* ill considered and objectionable comments
ā¦meets the legal definition of bullying
Are you personally influenced by this story?
And before you
startattack, I have, as a manager, been involved in three cases of sexual harassment . All with very different outcomes …Likeā¦ no, I canāt think of a subject you know anything about
Why are crown peerage so fucking arrogantly dumb?
Thatās because youāre an apologist for the ALP/union āwhatever it takesā culture. This is a culture built on subjugating the will individual to the interests of the collective.
The collective? WTF … so you kow-tow to the authoritarian reign of the Liberal wannabe Fuhrer? See how silly you sound? This is Australia we bow to no-one … if any political figure is trying to subjugate anyone look to Peter Dutton and his enablers … are you a fan?
IT IS A DEMOCRACY … unions are formed by all like minded groups … WTF do you think the Chamber of Commerce is? Or the MTIA or … whatever businesses have their own unions they just call ’em associations (or chambers – a la lodges and brother hoods)
You blind bias makes you sound dumb but I know your not … give you politicking a break and think of your peasants a go for a change! Give the people ago …
Itās your blog, and therefore it is entirely within your rights that you post as many ill informed comments as you wish
You arrogant prick, alright! Typical Lord of the Realm … or the occasional archbishop! LOL!
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Maybe you can clarify, TB.
Was any of that relevant to anything I’ve said?
Was any of that relevant to anything Iāve said?</i?
Was anything you said relevant to reality?
Bruz infernal
Keep digging
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Keep digging
Says the one who has based an entire argument on hearsay and assumptions
Hearsay!! You’ve already proved that’s stupid. Keep digging.
* Kitching told Richard Marked
* Complained to a workplace trainer
* Complained to her colleagues
* Felt she was excluded from various
…but the ABC is inventing it!!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-17/kitching-disclosed-bullying-complaint-senate-labor/100915602
Marles
This is the weakest and most pathetic excuse I can recall-
Labor deputy leader Richard Marles has rejected calls for an inquiry into the pressure placed on Kimberley Kitching in the months before she died by saying she never made a formal complaint to him about bullying and did not ask him to take action on her behalf.
In any decent organisation, a leader that was aware of potential bullying and took no action would be regarded as negligent.
Regardless of a complaint, corrective action is required to ensure the protection of the organisation and the employee.
Hopeless.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/marles-says-no-complaint-made-no-call-for-action-from-kitching-20220323-p5a7bc.html
I’m not sure if you understand who is doing the digging here yomm?
I also see that reynolds has already been exposed for lying about what she alleged a dead person said. These are yor mates remember yomm. The one who called a victim a ‘lying cow’ turned out to be a lying … person herself. And using a dead person as a tool to smear.
Just like someone around here is too ..
Regardless of a complaint, corrective action is required to ensure the protection of the organisation and the employee.
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Yes every fifth columnist should be lauded loud and long and never ostracized!
What political planet was she on? A case of Alice in Wonderland ?
The key responsibility of a leader is to address issues regarding workplace culture, including suggestions, rumours, concerns about bullying
Leaders know that some issues are frivolous, or the employee has their sensitivity meter set to extreme, or that they annoy their colleagues.
None of that absolves them from their responsibility. Their role is to take steps to protect the organisation and the employee.
Anyone with a union or leadership background understands that
including suggestions, rumours, concerns about bullying
But you need these concerns voiced to you to take action. Nobody (except allegedly ‘close friends’ were told).
In fact, kk prided herself on her ‘toughness’.
Richard Marles was told. He’s deputy leader.
Once a leader is aware of a risk, they are negligent if they ignore it. It doesn’t require a formal complaint, but there has to be an action to address the issue.
That’s how competent leadership works.
Richard Marles was told.
Where is the link for that? I must have missed it
The ALP and others should note-
As claims of bullying within Labor dominate headlines, a leading workplace relations expert says if misbehaviour in any workplace reaches the point of requiring a formal complaint, it indicates something has gone wrong in the organisation.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/bullying-best-dealt-with-before-formal-complaint-workplace-expert-20220321-p5a6iq.html
“if misbehaviour in any workplace reaches the point of requiring a formal complaint, it indicates something has gone wrong in the organisation.”
There was no formal complaint? There wasn’t even an informal complaint from what I’ve heard?
There are allegations and slurs of whining in the background, but, that is all
The ALP and others should note-
This other notes where you got your information from — and I see now why you rarely provide lynx … the source is usually extremely biased … anyone would think an election is due somewhere …
Memories of Kill Bill spring to mind … and we ended up with Grotty Scotty from Marketing … even that was a fkn failure … not again I pray …
lols
15 years is a short time
Will Grotty take over the church now? … I’d be happy if he buggered that up too, like everything else he’s
toucheddamaged …Iād be happy if he buggered that up too
The least they deserve is to have him back
And Marles isn’t denying knowledge of the letter Kitching drafted detailing her treatment.
Any decent leader would have acted
And Marles isnāt denying knowledge of the letter Kitching drafted detailing her treatment.
facepalm. Or, should I say, LINQUE?
“Any decent leader would have acted”
Steady on. Thuggery and bastardry are at the heart of ALP infighting. Only soft-cocks complain about bullying. Kitching needs to harden up!
There is about as much chance of an inquiry as there is of the Mongrel Milligan rounding up a posse of her feminazi friends to go after the Cantankerous Cabal. They only ever do conservatives and are incapable of telling the truth about anything.
If you think the ALP is against bullying you’ve got the Wong party.
It’s clear that Marles was aware of Kitching’s-
* Painful experience at the hands of her colleagues
* Going to the trouble of writing about her treatment
But Marles defaults to the using an excuse that there was no official complaint. That’s the definition of poor leadership
Itās clear that Marles was aware of Kitchingās-
Because of …. things you can’t produce ROFL
I’m pretty sure Albo got his rocks off watching the ALP sisterhood go at it. More fun than going to his local Chinese brothel to watch an afternoon of jelly-wrestling!
Marles declined to say whether or not he had seen the letter.
Marles declined to say whether or not he had seen the letter.
LINQUE
Why bother? Any link from The Age is dismissed as Liberal propaganda.
Similarly, the ABC apparently can’t be relied on.
News Ltd is absolutely shunned.
There’s simply no point in providing links to you
Thereās simply no point in providing links to you
Well, actually, it’s usually because when we READ the links, we find they are wishy washy statements that don’t always reflect what you are saying
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/morning-shows/what-are-you-afraid-of-albo-grilled-on-mean-girls-claim/news-story/031c0da78e96a5990e42a326ad49a509
Nope, you just dismiss links from that above sites, so it’s pointless providing them
āBut given all that has been said, let me let me say this. At no point did Kimberly make a bullying complaint to me.
āAt no point did she asked me to take action.
āShe was obviously unhappy about the Senate tactics committee. She never made a bullying complaint to me. She never sought for me to act, and I canāt be clearer than that.ā
It’s pretty cut and dried isn’t it.
… facepalm. Or, should I say, LINQUE?
TR, time to ignore it and concentrate on Grotty … look over there should now be … look over hear the lord!
and concentrate on Grotty
You mean the rort kings?
https://www.abc.net.au/7.30/questions-raised-about-the-integrity-of-carbon/13809550
Why bother? Any link from The Age is dismissed as Liberal propaganda.
Because it is! FFS … even Mordock’s son walked away from his lies! Rupert is the Vladimir of news …
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/24/disappointed-and-shocked-pm-distances-himself-from-hillsong-pastor-brian-houston
Fantastic. Great Move. Well Done Angus
analysts say a plunge in the price of credits, triggered by a contentious change by the emissions reduction minister Angus Taylor, could last for years.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/24/australias-carbon-credit-scheme-could-take-years-to-recover-from-price-plunge-analysts-say?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Because it is!
Pretty sure he means the one run by costello, you know, the ex liberal Treasurer, not news, run by murdoch, who basically runs the lnp
BUT, even then, any links there re simply exposed through their lack of detail, it’s easy, they are full of rumours, innuendo, but no actual facts
That’s why yomm likes to just make grandiose statements, and then run and hide from them
He knows he’s full of shit, but he’s too deep now to dig his way back out
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/24/ben-roberts-smith-trial-woman-who-had-affair-said-she-feared-for-safety-of-family
Now I think any permanent commenters here know that I tend to hold judgement on any court cases in the news – this is no different …
… but let me point out something in the Roberts-Smith case … RS was a corporal, (two hooks on his sleeve) two up from a trooper (private, to you lot) … Hastie was a Captain … ten ranks above a trooper … how did RS have so much influence?
What were all the senior NCO’s (sergeants, warrant officers), junior officers (to captain rank) and senior officers doing through all this? And indeed senior officers …
Pretty sure he means the one run by costello
Mmmm … toilet paper supply* … ta TR …
Apologies to toylet whereever he’s hiding! š
He knows heās full of shit, but heās too deep now to dig his way back out
The lord giveth and the lord taketh away … need a liiiiinque? Its another BS rag BTW …
Yes.
TB’s comment shows exactly why it’s no use providing links.
TB & Tom R dismiss any opinion or report that isn’t from one of their preferred sites.
“Thatās why yomm likes to just make grandiose statements, and then run and hide from them.
He knows heās full of shit, but heās too deep now to dig his way back out.”
Yep. It’s a familiar pattern. Basically trolling.
Basically trolling.
Well, you people must be incredibly dull to fall for it every day after about 16 years of it
yep, just replace the name with ‘yomm’, and you get the message š
Don’t blame me for you being so f*cking stupid that you’re manipulated into exchanging views with a “troll” every day for 16 years.
How f”cking stupid are you?
So this is how it ends. yomm admitting he’s been using somebodies death to simply ‘troll’ people.
“Well, you people must be incredibly dull to fall for it every day after about 16 years of it”
“Dull” or just tolerant and accepting, in much the same way we are with Neil.
So it’s now ‘risk free’ to allow refugees in Australia to re-settle in New Zealand. And only after 9 years of negotiation. Hilarious! (But scandalous.)
Just dull.
fool me once, shame on you;
fool me twice, shame on me
fool me 5 or 10,000 times over 16 years…you’re a complete f*cking idiot
“youāre a complete f*cking idiot”
That’s nice.
“Hilarious! (But scandalous.)”
Indeed. And the plot thickens with Jaquie “I haven’t had any work done” Lambie claiming that Scovid threatened to throw her in jail if she revealed anything about the terms of the deal.
It’s known as the corollary. If we accept your statement- “Basically trolling.”…then you’d have to be a complete f*cking idiot to exchange opinions with me 5 or 10,000 times over 16 years.
I’m satisfied with your proposition, because it proved mine
Is Lambie claiming that she was bullied? If not, then why not?
She seems to have a case.
She seems to have a case.
I mean, not letting someone onto a Committee who has been busted leaking party matters to the other party is obviously bullying, but threatening someone with jail for backing out on a deal, completely normal??
I mean, is that even possible, or is lambie just really ignorant?
because it proved mine
That you are a self confessed Troll, who used somebodies death to continue with your depraved activities?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10888878/
Hmmmm….would you prefer to be a troll or someone that is so f*cking stupid that they get manipulated into having exchanges with a troll for 16 years?
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7671751/mean-girls-i-just-dont-buy-it/?cs=14264
“Would you prefer to be a troll or someone that is so f*cking stupid that they get manipulated into having exchanges with a troll for 16 years?”
The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
In fact, you could be one and the same person.
Wrong.
Of course a company can take action against an employee that is sabotaging a company.
If it wants to avoid a bullying allegation it applies a dismissal or disciplinary process. Case history has established that against an individual that does not follow a process is “not reasonable management action” and is therefore bullying.
Keep digging
16 years and nothing’s new … ššššš¤£š¤£š¤£š š š
Tom of Melbourne permalink
March 25, 2022 10:10 am
Link please with examples …
Case history has established that against an individual that does not follow a process
So, self confessed Troll, what ‘process’ was not followed?
Keep Trolling š
Do some research on “reasonable management action”
And certainly someone who is an expert in feminist activism isn’t necessarily an expert in employment law.
The article ignored the requirement for “reasonable management action”
If a leader or company is to avoid bullying, the action taken (in dismissing or disciplining an individual) must-
* Be part of a defined process and policy
* Be transparent
* Provide the individual with the right of reply
* Allow the individual access to specialist advice and offer to have an impartial witness present
None of this appears to have occurred with respect to the treatment of Kimberly Kitching.
Action that has been found to be bullying includes-
* reassigning work and roster without discussion
and explanation,
* informal, ad hoc or angry feedback about work performance,
* neglecting to provide the right of reply before the imposition of action.
The article ignores the very basics, and is written by someone with no idea. But that’s the level of expertise used by the ALP cheer club in this discussion
None of this appears to have occurred with respect to the treatment of Kimberly Kitching.
But this was not a management/employee arrangement … they were in fact all equal in status … and all quite used to the established political practice of majority votes …
And we all know that Federal Parliament is certainly not a workplace* and its politicians are not employees … as opposed to political staffers and public servants …
*sarc alert
All equal status?
The ALP leader of the senate is equal to a single senator? The person who allocates speaking time and parliamentary questions is equal to the person that receives the instructions from them
Do you think the authority that sets the standards and regulations for workplace behaviour should observe them?
Do you think the party that purports to support women and workers should observe the standards they set for others?
is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Perhaps you can be specific on actuals?
16 years and nothingās new
Be part of a defined process and policy
From eebs LINQUE
“If Kitching had made a formal complaint about bullying while alive there would have been an internal investigation, because Labor has processes in place to make that happen.”
Hilarious!! Bullying doesn’t happen in the ALP unless the individual complains, particularly a dead one
yoll continues to use a dead person to Troll
Meanwhile, yolls favourite rorters are giving multi million taxpayer dollars to multi million dollar donors
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/25/coalition-went-directly-to-liberal-donor-whitehaven-to-purchase-coal-for-ukraine?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Labor to assist yoll (I didn’t have that on my bingo card)
Although, if you read the legislation, it’s got bugger all to do with stopping yolls, and everything about silencing DISSENT
I’ve decided it’s far better to be known as a troll than to be known as the absolute f*ckwit who spends 16 years replying
“Iāve decided itās far better to be known as a troll than to be known as the absolute f*ckwit who spends 16 years replying”
Don’t be too hard on yourself, especially when you’ve spent the last 16 years being both.
lol eeb
It’s been .. ‘interesting’ watching is ‘Descent into the Maeltstyomm’
Too late.
The label was issued without qualification, it’s no use trying to correct it or catch up.
Some of us are “trolls” the others are the dills that feel compelled to reply.
Congratulations, you’re the latter.
In that case I think you’ve just confirmed that you are in fact a troll.
So why not just fuck off then?
Politics is a contact sport. It’s all part of the game. Kitching needs to harden up.
Why would I do that when you dull types are compelled to reply?
Just called Luxury Escapes and the message says “All of our operators are busy, please hold….”
“You are the four hundred and forty fourth caller in the queue…”
I shit you not.
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Aww, that’s nice for jen, maybe they’ll actually do it this time
I mean, alternatively, the could just implement good social health policy?
On another note, my wife just got an iron infusion. That has just been removed from the PBS for pension recipients.
Is it bad that I hope Dear jen starts experiencing Iron deficiency?
“Kitching needs to harden up.”
Given that Rigamortis has no doubt well and truly set it, I imagine that goes without saying.
Too soon….?
yoll continues to use a dead person to Troll
Necrotrolling has a new, more meaningful meaning
+++++++++++++++++++++
Kitching needs to harden up. Pardon?
321 beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
Why would I do that when you dull types are compelled to reply?
oops back to forwards …
Why would I do that when you dull types are compelled to reply?
321 beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
Too soonā¦.?
Actually, yep … reb … I confess to s similar thought tho …
To be fair to Yoll, Malcolm Turnbull and Kevin Rudd both thought they were the most intelligent people in the room too.
And what a couple of useless cunts they turned out to be.
Those calling Labor hypocrites over factional in-fighting have little interest in the safety of women
https://www.themonthly.com.au/the-politics/rachel-withers/2022/25/2022/1648183486/tit-tat
Yep, turns out they’re just yolls
There’s no need to be sensitive about a lower IQ.
It’s just one of those statistical things.
Like… I was born before you, therefore I’m older… I have a higher IQ, therefore I’m smarter.
It’s just one of those random things in life! Just celebrate averageness!
therefore Iām smarter.
All those brains, and yet you waste it all looking like a fool defending misogynist bullies by using a dead person as a shield.
Doesn’t seem too bright to me, but then, what would I know about genius behaviour?
Meanwhile the rich expansionist murderous fascist dictator Putin, thinks Russia is a victim of the cancel culture.
He’s delusional and unfortunately very dangerous.
Only those that wish to give cover to his brutality think this is a time to engage with Russian institutions and culture
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-26/putin-accuses-west-of-cancelling-russia/100941616
A stable genius, for that matter.
Obama to Medvedev:
Putin, recognising a feckless fool when he saw one, annexed Crimea. Putin took part of Georgia under Bush and now Ukraine under Biden.
Of course he didn’t make any such moves while Trump was president.
āReasonable people adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable people attempt to adapt the world to themselves. All progress, therefore, depends on unreasonable people.ā
George Bernard Shaw
Sage advice
Sage advice
So are you saying that Putin studied GB Shaw?
Putin, thinks Russia is a victim of the cancel culture.
So why is he hell bent on cancelling Ukrainian culture?
Of course he didnāt make any such moves while Trump was president.
Because they’re ma-a-a-a-t-e-s … once Donny became US Supreme Leader like Putin they could rule the world together (or so the deranged idiots thought)
“Because theyāre ma-a-a-a-t-e-s”
Because Trump explained to Putin that if he moved on Ukraine he would have no more pretty domes on his Moscow churches.
A mate is someone like Obama who made sure to send Ukraine no military aid. Not a mate is someone who actually sent weapons to Ukraine like Trump did.
The good thing is that the fake news Trump Russia hoax is unravelling and the FBI is starting to charge some of the culprits.
Meanwhile, after conspiring to pretend that hunter’s laptop from hell was Russian disinformation so Joe could get elected, the fake news media like the New York Times has now admitted that the laptop is in fact Hunter’s.
It’s possible that having an unpredictable, easily offended narcissist in the Whitehouse was a handbrake on some of the expansionist plans of the fascist Putin.
*Putin- how will he react if we invade?
*Advisor- we have no idea
Rational types can be predicted. Irrational narcissists can’t.
I’m not sure that’s such a great thing
it is 2022 … isn’t it?
WOW! Well done, Andrew Gee!
Disclaimer: I have a personal interest in this story.
“it is 2022 ā¦ isnāt it?
Yes. It took NYT this long to tell the truth.
Perhaps the cart is before the horse when it comes government budgeting?
A government should decide what NEEDS to be done as THE starting point and work backwards from that. After all, we now know that government debts and deficits are politically manageable.
Take the United States debt as an example – currently a mere $142 trillion or $919 000 per taxpayer.
https://www.truthinaccounting.org/about/our_national_debt?gclid=Cj0KCQjw0PWRBhDKARIsAPKHFGhZuYQ7lm0f-Ki9OZz3rZIqQ0LJqjL0lQNuKPEJcZ9EtlE40r5EFH0aAoYCEALw_wcB
Well beyond ‘austerity’?
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Look over where?
TB re Gee, according to Morrison, Gee “did not properly understand how requests for funding were made.”
Possibly true BUT that’s why Ministers are supported by Departments who do understand such matters.
A number of possibilities flow. First, Gee is telling the truth and Morrison is telling untruths which would be par for the course. Second, Morrison IS telling the truth and Gee’s relationship with his Department is virtually non-existent. Third, Gee takes seriously Morrison’s dictum that Departments are there to merely ‘implement’ decisions and NOT to provide advice.
Regardless, we are witnessing unrivalled incompetence. But that doesn’t mean a re-election is off the table. Such is the weakness of democratic governments.
Deep, MN … as long as the vets get a fair shake for a change …
There must be a limit to the amount of clean-up which can be done for this senile old fool before he is declared unfit to lead the world to nuclear war.
Now, Dementia Joe threatens Putin with regime change Biden says Putin ‘cannot remain in power’ in fiery speech on Ukraine war forcing his ineffectual Secretary of State Anthony Blinken to deny Biden meant what he said.
Not content with that Bumbling Biden also said to the US Armyās 82nd Airborne Division, now stationed in Poland:
Meanwhile, Jackass Senator Lindsay Grahame stands by his call to have Putin taken out.
The Military Industrial complex is well pleased.
Regardless, we are witnessing unrivalled incompetence.
I mean, it could all be true (except morrison telling the truth, that just cannot happen)
They think they dictate to Departments, rather than listening and learning from them. They also have no relationship past the dictatorial phase, so they really don’t know what happens once they dictate.
All they are interested is getting taxpayer monies into their or their mates pockets. And protecting the guilty.
https://www.theklaxon.com.au/home/anglican-child-sex-payouts-hit-taxpayers
Does MN still think a quick Russian victory is the preferred outcome for Putin’s fascist expansionism?
yoll trolling again
Yes, apparently reasonable questions about someone’s comments are trolling.
That’s such a typically on the ball comment
Fool me once …………… š
Fool me once ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦
Which brings me to ………..
It takes an epidemic of insanity to make this hideous idiocy commonplace:
Apparently…
* Yanking the chain of left types is trolling
* Pointing out the weakness (or hypocrisy) of their arguments is trolling
* Sarcasm towards left types is trolling
* Expressing a legitimate political perspective is trolling
* Being direct and unequivocal is trolling
…just letting everyone know the rules around being a troll according to left types
Will Smith Rocks:
Yanking the chain of left types is trolling
“Donāt blame me for you being so f*cking stupid that youāre manipulated into exchanging views with a ātrollā every day for 16 years.
How fācking stupid are you?”
I mean, what else are we supposed to say to you now? ‘cept maybe ‘fuck orf yoll’?
If that’s for real splats, he punches like a yoll. oh, and he’s a snowflake
Yes. It all meets the left criteria for “trolling”
Yes. It all meets the left criteria for ātrollingā
Lynque?
It all me with yor criteria, which admitted to have been doing for some time now
It does explain yor stupid arguments better though
āDonāt blame me for you being so f*cking stupid that youāre manipulated into exchanging views with a ātrollā every day for 16 years.
How fācking stupid are you?ā
Yes, so perhaps you should try thinking about the corollary of the insults before dishing them out
(Why?*)
Subtle, ivi … but, Good Lord! Tome (LOL spoonerism!) knows all about grammar* š
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/nsw/2022/03/28/roberts-smith-alternate-universe-mp/
So Andrew Hastie was a captain? And “suspected” a corporal but did nothing about it … he needs to be charged with dereliction of duty or aiding and abetting war crimes?
What a nasty piece of work … seems ALP ministers are all cooked in the same christian bakery … whose running the country again? I always thought it was the corporates … odd … the corporates pay little or no tax … religions pay no tax but they both get taxpayer handouts … jesus fkn christ! The first socialist would be spinning on that cross …
“perhaps you should try thinking about the corollary of the insults before dishing them out”
I was thinking about responding and asking for evidence of where I had “dished out insults” but then I’d just be engaging with a Yoll.
Oh, dammit I’ve done it again… š
I guess a Troll’s gotta Troll. š
Lol @ Tom R
Apparently this is contentious. There are probably more important things going on.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTqQn63aIT9zgoRJGrumB3AA1bsk5oC8hJN2Q&usqp=CAU
‘Tis a set up, ToM … I suggest all will be revealed soon …
The weekends BACK BITCHES!
There truly is nothing they will not rort
Dutton flood funds flow to unregistered group with links to office
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/dutton-flood-funds-flow-to-unregistered-group-with-links-to-office-20220325-p5a7xt.html
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Note to Barrie Cassidy re:
In Australia, the political system, even with all its warts, is known as a Representative Democracy . Those being represented are known as Australian Citizens .
In order to vote in Australian elections, one must be a Citizen. One doesn’t have to live in Australia nor does one have to be an Australian taxpayer , effective or otherwise. Putting it another way, taxpaying is not necessary let alone sufficient.
Residing in Australia, there are many individuals and companies who/which pay taxes but are not entitled to vote. Indeed, the biggest taxpayers in Australia by far do not have this right to vote – sometimes called suffrage, political franchise, or simply franchise, .
So Barrie when you write about ‘taxpayers money’ followed by your money , to whom are you referring? Are you suggesting that monies paid by individuals and companies to government still belong to those who handed over their dollars under legal obligation? That the $9,270,367,013 paid by the Commonwealth Bank (over three years) is still legally theirs? And the $6,834,252,365 paid by Rio Tinto still legally belongs to the many overseas investors?
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/top-40-taxpayers/
Can this hilarious concept of legally paying taxes (as required) but still owning same be extrapolated to include payments made to the butcher, baker and candlestick maker? If not then why not?
Perhaps it’s no longer taxpayer money after payment but becomes government money ? And can therefore be viewed as Citizens’ money held in trust by government? Note that official documents don’t refer to ‘taxpayers money’ after payment – because legally it’s not. And that’s important in a Nation where the ‘Rule of Law’ is still valued.
Strange that so many in society prefer to be known as (third rate) taxpayers , (because that’s what they are, even on a good day) rather than first rate Citizens. . And yet still bemoan the dominance neo-liberal ideology. Yes, all Citizens are equal (when it comes to the franchise) but when it comes to taxpaying there is wide disparity.
Yes Pogo – the enemy is us .
I’ve just spent two days completing a Queensland Building & Construction Commission Dispute Form … AI sucks … and popped in for some quiet relaxing …
Then read MN and the Taxpayer Poem … again … zzzzzzzzzzzz šš
Might fill out another form for fun … š¤£šš¤£
Just checked my mail box … flyer from Australia Post flogging … wait for it … car insurance … WTF?
So, was Concetta Fierravanti-Wells Bullied out of pre-selection?
From the Budget 2022 … d’ja wot!
War memorials and commemorations
The budget provides $5m to rebuild the visitorsā pavilion in the Sandakan memorial park, Malaysia; $4.9m to construct a remembrance trail on the Greek island of Lemnos; and $6m for commemorations for the 50th anniversary of the end of Australiaās participation in the Vietnam war.
$16m … 2/3rd overseas … and almost 6000 maybe more homeless veterans!
Just what world do politicians live in?
Are you making a case that she was Tom R?
Just what world do politicians live in?
Well, our dear leader talks in tongues to a sky fairy, so not sure you really want to hear the answer š
Are you making a case that she was Tom R?
There is more evidence of this being the case than the other one, so yea, why not?
Although, to me, it reeks of a basic hissy fit, but what else would you expect from a self entitled pollie
Bullying is the least of it. The Libs see their main goal in life in enriching lobbyists and other interest groups. The backstabbing and bullying is just a means to a greedy end for these mongrels.
I’m pretty sure the only reason Keane is Treasurer in NSW is because he is worth more in that position to Photios and the other lobbyist pigs feeding at the trough of Liberal largesse:
So make the case and I’ll let you know whether I agree
Case MADE!
Well, that must settle it (without any thinking or rationale required by Tom R)
without any thinking or rationale required
You do understand that this is a higher level of actual proof than you ever put up. Confirmation from the actual people who had direct contact with the ‘alleged’ behaviour.
So yes, SETTLED! š
Yes, and as you’re aware, it’s difficult to explain your experience when you’re dead.
“without any thinking or rationale required by Tom R”
You’re expecting a bit much there. Just be happy to be in the company of a world-class troll.
itās difficult to explain your experience when youāre dead.
But there were streams of letters, texts, all of these ‘claims’ pushed by our grubmint and their sycophants
But none of them actually mentioned bullying. Which makes you wonder, was it all made up?
Unlike this, which has verifiable confirmation
Bullying is the least of it. The Libs see their main goal in life in enriching lobbyists and other interest groups.
And themselves, splats … not aal get away with it …
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2022/03/30/andrew-laming-expenses/
Then just set out the case, if it’s do simple.
Then just set out the case
Two people, on record, accusing the pm of bullying
A weak case, yes, but so far superior to the Kitching one, it makes you wonder why they even bothered
oh, that’s right, cheap smears is all youse got š
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“I do what a prime minister does. I front the hard questions every time. I don’t avoid them. I don’t run away.”
How about you detail the argument.
How about you detail the argument.
FOOL ME ONCE!
How about you detail the argument.
A list of bullet points of random sentences is not a “detailed argument” …
Evidence of a wrongdoing is … but it needs to be verified ie a reputable lingkt source …
And that has to be provided by the accuser … in this case you …
Prime Minister Scott Morrison has cancelled a scheduled media appearance just hours before it was due to go ahead.
Mr Morrison was due to appear on ABCās 7:30 with Leigh Sales on Wednesday night to sell his pre-election budget to voters.
But instead the ABC host informed viewers online he had withdrawn and would instead appear on the program next week.
In a statement, a spokesperson for the Prime Ministerās Office said plans had to be changed due to his commitment to attend the state service for Shane Warne.
āIn order to arrive on time for this eveningās Shane Warne memorial, the Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition need to leave Canberra earlier than originally planned,ā they said.
Mr Morrison and Labor leader Anthony Albanese will travel together to Melbourne on Wednesday afternoon, following the conclusion of Question Time.
So, questions concerning a critical budget for 25 million people are less important than a funeral for a dead cricketer who could throw a ball faster than anyone else … one day real “achievers” for this country will be recognised …
WF nonsense …
And who arranged all this shite?
Let’s hope we (the people who actually have to deal with it) never allow Morriscum to get the war he seems to be determined to bring on!
What a shambles …
Tom R’s case
* Someone said so
* Grace Tame said so too
“WF nonsense ā¦”
Exactly! These things are meticulously planned.
It’s obvious to anyone with a passing interest in these matters that he’s pulled out to avoid any embarrassing questions over the bullying allegations from Concetta What’s her face and Pauline Hanson.
Josh must be grinning from ear-to-ear, even if it does mean he’s just going to be relegated to Opposition Leaders.
Yoll:
*Yolling
*Yolling again
*Desperately Yolling
https://inqld.com.au/news/2022/03/30/gympie-man-the-first-convicted-under-industrial-manslaughter-laws/
And I doubt it will be the last … been coming for decades!
Only discussing today how deaths on Queensland mines have been increasing … a sure sign of poor training and incompetent management/supervision.
lol, yolling is already a thing, and, it seems it may be not far removed from ours š
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Yolling
lolling
White House records show an unexplained gap of more than seven hours in the record of former President Donald Trumpās telephone calls the day of the deadly January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol, the Washington Post and CBS report.
Can’t wait for the “defenders” cheer leaders …
In a statement, Trump said: āI have no idea what a burner phone is, to the best of my knowledge I have never even heard the term.ā
LOL “…to the best of my knowledge … never … heard of them”
Must be the only adult or teenager who hasn’t … “best of my knowledge” … yr fkn lying again, Donny …
Our Yoll is better than their Yoll, TR
The first meaning is a bit weird …
*Grace said so
That proves it
Finally, yer catching on yoll
….
Our yoll is even weirder TB š
The things you find on the interwebs Tom R… šÆ
We’ve reached the point where the PM is telling people who can’t afford to rent to just buy a house instead.
And the mainstream media just let it slide….
The things you find on the interwebs Tom R
Yes, that’s where I found it. Truly.
The heros of those with a disdain for western democracies
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHvBfHDTneU6Hy5FtHllmgVV1eCgIG4TZJIQ&usqp=CAU
Yes, thatās where I found it. Truly.
Then just set out the case, if itās do simple.
I think Yoll meant it should read … “Then just set out the case, if itās So simple.”
And a link … oh, wait! šššš¤£ššš šššš
The heros of those with a disdain for western democracies
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnYi7jZCAAAFDVV.jpg:large
Voz iz zis zhit?
https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/call-to-criminalise-controversial-russian-z-symbol/news-story/5e9d6ef33808eb8b07b040baeace3be1
AH! Za Zar Meerdach zelling newz …
“a funeral for a dead cricketer who could throw a ball faster than anyone else “
Thommo isn’t dead yet!
Thommo isnāt dead yet!
Can’t spin that any other way
Welcome to another do nothing budget (so, they just recycle the jokes)
And people complained about Abbott!!
https://www.google.com/search?q=shirtless+putin&client=ms-android-google&source=android-browser&prmd=inv&sxsrf=APq-WBu0Iy_Hn_JTD42tkNZ7XEaDpNFLzg:1648680055342&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjO46_o8-72AhVGSmwGHb43ArIQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=360&bih=624&dpr=2
And people complained about Abbott!!
Shows how dumb Abbott was … no way he could have shirt-fronted Putrid …
What are you on about TB?
Putin is a tim pot fascist dictator, running an increasingly impoverished and isolated country
But I suppose you find more to admire in all that, than in the leader of a prosperous western democracy
yoll yolling over a shirtless putin
Not exactly how I saw the day starting.
I see morrison is on board with will smith using violence to ‘display’ his ‘love’. Unsurprising
Yoll’s gotta Yoll.. š
š
Bullying- Grace said so
A comprehensive case study!
And by the way, thank you…
Yoll
Australian way of greeting a friend. It is always accompanied by a peace sign. It’s a friendly way of greeting someone who will mutually send a “yoll” back
What’s Good Lord! ToM! on?
A new strain of Covid?
I see morrison is on board with will smith using violence to ādisplayā his āloveā. Unsurprising
Yep, tho’ I said earlier I thought it might have been a set up I still think it was in poor taste (either way) and not a good image for any age group to watch … sets a poor example for kids especially …
Some of you know I grew up with a father who beat my Mum* (Smith’s excuse) … I don’t go around hitting people when they offend any of my family … words work pretty well …
(* The more I understand PTSD and his war stories about the Atlantic convoys, I suspect PTSD was major factor)
In Snotty’s case – hope and punches, I guess … could he actually swing a fist?
Yoll!
Bullying- Grace said so
Can you even comprehend the fundamental difference between a victim and perpetrator?
Can you make a case beyond * Grace said so* ?
I didn’t think you could
* Grace said so*
* Lambie said so*
* concetta FW said so*
* pauline said so*
* Berejiklian said so*
* Julia Banks said so*
“Can you even comprehend the fundamental difference between a victim and perpetrator?”
Victim on the left. Perps on the right:
That’s some case! And as I’ve said-
….In the workplace, these behaviours are bullying-
* Comments about family circumstances
* Feedback that is unplanned, pointed, and/or not part of an improvement plan
* Diminution of career opportunities that aren’t part of an improvement or disciplinary plan
* Assignment of work, roster and responsibilities that reduce job satisfaction, or increase workload
* Providing an inadequate opportunity for the individual to respond.
That’s what I’ve outlined, but yours is so indicative
Victim on the left. Perps on the right:
I mean, saying she said it is easy, making it publicly, in person, is perhaps a bit different
Tom R – Everyone is saying so, therefore it’s a fact!
In the workplace, these behaviours are bullying-
Good Lord! ToM! … so I was bullied almost every day of my fkn working life! Not least by LNP Federal government’s …
Actually that sounds very much like the army … when I was press ganged …
governments – beat ya Lord Tom
Everyone is saying so, therefore itās a fact!
Well, it’s a lot closer to a fact than unsubstantiated gossip, isn’t it?
https://theguttertrash.com/2022/03/18/weekend-gab-fest-4/#comment-197045
yoll yolling about what yolling is?
Tom R – the case for the prosecution…
“Everyone says so and therefore it’s a fact! I rest my case”
Finally catching up yoll.
Now, the defense can have their turn š
That’s interesting
://theguttertrash.com/2022/03/18/weekend-gab-fest-4/#comment-197045
Thatās interesting
kend-gab-fest-4/#comment-197045
And it get’s more and more interesting the less we see of it š
A thread well worth the read
Whenever I look at social media, I’m amazed that there are so many people that are so disaffected with western democracy, that they are willing to excuse the brutality caused by the fascist Putin.
And the address to parliament by Zelensky certainly put some context around the juvenile point scoring in Australian politics
That’s what Conservatives don’t seem to get. Present arrangements are always less than perfect that’s why one should try to be ‘progressive’.
The wider ‘living’ world is constantly evolving as Darwin pointed out. Scientists know that our understanding of the ‘physical’ world is also evolving as new theory is constructed, new methodologies devised, and new conclusions drawn.
Yet, so many Conservatives somehow think that the ‘democracy’ we have cannot be improved upon. That the Citizen should be consulted every three years or so and then the (effectively) elected dictators should be free to ‘reign’.
So sad that they think there is only two options. No imagination!
What Conservatives in Australia seem to willfully ignore (impossible to forget) that our much vaunted ‘western democracy’ permitted Australian youth to be sacrificed in wars in Vietnam and Iraq. These decisions were NOT made by directly elected representatives. So Putin like? Where was the outcry?
So many lies told. so many lies sold by agents of Capital.
No moral dimension. Then or now!
BINGO, MN!
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that they are willing to excuse the brutality caused by the fascist Putin.
Just who are these “people” … I ain’t seen ’em … Good Lord! ToM … The Firm? Trump? 4BC?
Have you heard of false equivalence?
Maybe you can outline the rationale for Putin’s war
Why aren’t Conservatives reflecting publicly that the 2020 report of the Varieties of Democracy Institute found that the global share of democracies declined from 54% in 2009 to 49% in 2019, and that a greater share of the global population lived in autocratizing countries (6% in 2009, 34% in 2019).
Surely, one must question why democracy seems to be decline? Why is there an increasing gap between the ‘promise’ and the ‘performance’? Why are the youth so disinterested? Why is the current Australian government attempting to dissuade students from studying Arts (including politics, sociology etc) through fees rises? What are Conservatives worried about?
Not suggesting that an incoming Labor government would make great changes … But they couldn’t be worse. And at so many levels.
Tom – claims of “false equivalence” seem to be your default position. You construct YOUR reality however you like. And you do!
That’s the problem with Conservatives, they’re forever stuck in the one (comfortable) rut. A metaphorical security blanket. Can’t operate outside their comfort zone.
Just for the record, there mightn’t be any justification for ‘Putin’s war’ (rarely is there a justification for any war) but one should try to UNDERSTAND some of the many forces as to ‘why’ Putin went to war. To simply put it down to Putin’s ‘fascism’ is facile. That’s what the MSM does. Pitch it to a Year 5 reading level.
Surely we can do better than that? Surely we should entertain some ‘complexity’? Or is the historical past been for nought?
Look at the supposed reasons for the War(s) in Vietnam and Iraq (Advance of Communism and Weapons of Mass Destruction) and see how they stand up historically. Yet these alternative ‘insights’ were available at the time. And to question them publicly was at risk of ridicule.
But if you wish for simple explanations, that’s your right.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-04-03/pm-apologises-for-mid-air-meltdown/1639818
Kevin Rudd has apologised for verbally abusing a flight attendant on a Royal Australian Air Force flight earlier this year when the Prime Minister was not served the meal he wanted.
I’ve read Putin’s lengthy dissertation that justifies the invasion, have you? I doubt whether Putin wrote it himself.
Every territorial claim and aggressive expansionist has a cheer club, and his words reflected a territorial claim, not a defensive action
According to Putin it’s their right because –
* It has always been the case that Ukraine is part of Russia
* They are the same race
* They have the same history
Putin spends a lot of time talking about the events of 400 years ago.
It’s the attitude of a fascist.
Neil – here’s a challenge. Perhaps you could name some politicians at Cabinet level or higher who weren’t bullies, at least on some occasions.
Personally, I can’t name a one. But yes, Rudd set the standard for excellence.
spends a lot of time talking about the events of 400 years ago.
Itās the attitude of a … conservatist?
Tom of Melbourne – No I haven’t read Putin’s attempts to justify his invasion (at this time) and for any number of reasons. First, he most certainly didn’t write it himself. Suspect he had other things on his mind. After all he’s at war. Almost certain that him writing a ‘rationale’ wouldn’t be a high priority. But that’s not to say it wouldn’t be aligned to his ‘thinking’. He would have ensured that.
That Putin talks about things that happened 400 years ago is no surprise. Indeed that provides clues as to why he operates as he does. Proof that ‘history’ is important.
Here in Australia, it can be reasonably argued that we don’t really have a long, proud ‘history’ that permeates deep into our national ‘consciousness’ in the same way that the ‘Crusades’, for example, infuses deep into the Citizens in so many Islamic Nations.
I’ll leave it there at this late hour but will return.
It was written in June 21, it’s the type of thing people read if they wish to make informed comments about such matters
“Maybe you can outline the rationale for Putinās war”
Yoll’s gotta Yoll… š
#libspill is trending on April 1. It’s glorious š
Not sure if pvo realises how this looks, especially considering the day, but it too is kind of inglorious
As I’ve gone to the trouble of seeking out and reading Putin’s 5000 word essay (available on the Kremlin website) on why Ukraine is part of Russia, I’m finding it I little odd that I’m chided for not understanding Putin’s rationale for the invasion.
Putin’s rationale is surprisingly similar to that of Hitler.
* Unite the Germanic (Russian) people because of a shared history, culture, language.
* Germany (Russia) was cheated out of the territory at a time of weakness
It’s the rationale of a fascist, and anyone that has bothered to read beyond the MSM would come to the same conclusion
Putinās rationale is surprisingly similar to that of Hitler.
So it’ll be as boring as shit and ramble and wander in directions only a madman could see … should we defend hitler’s actions because the chances are he had PTSD after his WWI experiences … does Mein Kampf demonstrate why Hitler did what he did … or was it because the West screwed the German economy so drastically after WWI that most Germans were desperate and starving … and followed Hitler as a hero Fuhrer … for revenge … Austria simply fell in line because they were in effect – brothers … so that analogy for Ukraine doesn’t fly … in fact the Slavs (Poles and Russia) were not high on Germany’s guest list …
Not the case with Russia in 2022 … so either you haven’t read history on Hitler or Putin truly is mad … to compare both both dictators is silly to say the least … 1930 Europe and 2022 Europe are completely different …
History does rhyme tho’ … and if we are not careful Ukraine will become the Spain of the 20th Century.
Just think about what people who say we cannot afford proper aged care are actually saying.
“Iāve gone to the trouble of seeking out and reading Putinās 5000 word essay”
And yet….
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Chuckle!
Yes, I think this sums up your motivation…
ignorance is bliss
PROVERB
if one is unaware of an unpleasant fact or situation one cannot be troubled by it.
Interesting social dynamic. A person wants to have a logical argument. They lay out some facts and put a proposition out there. But the guffawing, backslapping, braying jackasses titter chortle and say no one cares. That’s the way mobs work – all giggle and spite. No need to be logical, when all you need is a smart arse quip, a high-five and a golden shower to wash it all down with. Go the Gutter Trash Mean Girls!
A person wants to have a logical argument.
Fool me once ………..
FUCK YOU – pay!
On this site, ridicule is an important option for reply, particularly if there’s nothing coherent to say
On this site, ridicule is an important option for reply, particularly if thereās nothing coherent to say
Mmmmm? Think about that …
Go the Gutter Trash Mean Girls!
Read some of your own comments … and hate to say it but some of the discourse before your arrival here … in fact read all your last comment … people in glass houses …
When I see a logical comment with evidence to back it up … that’s the way I’ll reply …
I’ve had my share of … guffawing, backslapping, braying jackasses titter chortle and say no one cares. Thatās the way mobs work ā all giggle and spite along with personal insults … as you can easily attest …
I’m sure Lord NO! ToM would agree …
Note: I have nuclear weapons … šššš¤£ššš šš
“On this site, ridicule is an important option for reply, particularly if thereās nothing coherent to say”
I know… Just the other day you were calling me a “complete fucking idiot”.
Pretty much confirming your point.
That’s entirely incorrect.
I was referring to several people and I said – “complete f**king idiot”
tut tut reb … fancy missing the ** … LOL!
Nice one, Lord f**k No! ToM! LOL! But is it correct grammar … what’s wrong with fkn, oops, “fkn” …? š
(Someone used to object to my love of … )
I was referring to several people and I said ā ācomplete f**king idiotā
So you weren’t referring to reb?
But nils only one person (to my knowledge)
BETTER ECONOMIC MANAGERS
Under questioning from Labor’s Penny Wong, Defence Department deputy secretary Tony Dalton confirmed the final cost of the aborted program could exceed $5 billion.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-01/cancelled-french-submarine-program-cost-billions/100959082
Somqhats the problem? I decided to accept the troll label, and just indicated the logical outcome of that.
Some people get annoyed with logic
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001607q/hardtalk-maria-butina-member-of-russias-state-duma
Try this for some incisive questions and expert obfuscation by an apologist for the fascist Putin
ToM what is your problem …no-one here is a Putrid supporter!
MN encouraged understanding of both perspectives, an interview with a prominent politician helps
Tis interview certainly helps demonstrate that Russian politicians aren’t used to being grilled by the media.
BETTER ECONOMIC MANAGERS
You could blame the sub disaster on Rudd/ALP. Rudd produced a White paper saying we needed 12 subs. But did not say what type. Pink, blue or purple subs?? Rudd did not say.
The Coalition was handed the mess and then made the wrong decision. But at least they made a decision.
I think the next decision was also wrong. Nuc subs is a road we should not travel down.
I suspect if Abbott was PM we would have got the Japanese diesel subs. But since Turnbull was PM we got the French.
Turnbull was a disaster for Australia and the Coalition
MN encouraged understanding of both perspectives
AAAAUUUUGGGGHHHH!!
Yes, and I posted a link to assist to understand the Russian perspective…an interview with a prominent Russian politician.
It provides an interesting insight, and to me, it shows a politician that struggles to cope with the type of questioning that their western democracy counterparts routinely experience
It provides an interesting insight, and to me
Pleased for you, oh! Lord ToM, most of us already knew … not sure about Kneel.
By now you would think that most Australians would think that Scott Morrison is a serial liar, avoider of responsibility and a cheat … pretty much like Barnaby Joyce but Bananby is just a childish dope as well … and they head the most corrupt, uneducated, incompetent, greedy, deceitful shylocks that this rabble lays claim to call itself a government – this country has seen for decades!
As with Putin, Xi and other diktats … it is always the enablers who are to blame …
And of course The Bible … and Believers … and the focus on PROFIT! not people
I confess (intentional) to singing this battle hymn in choir and loving it … a primary school CofE religious education never stuck with me and I was arguing the Fairytale with family from a very young age …
We’re not all like you George … ’tis a pity you were born here tho’ …
Controversial Queensland MP George Christensen has announced that he has tested positive to Covid-19.
The rogue MP posted a message on Telegram on Sunday saying: āSo, Iāve tested positive to Covid (via Rapid Antigen Test), watch the haters now hope that something horrible happens to me as a result.ā
to cope with the type of questioning that their western democracy counterparts routinely experience
Did you catch morrison on 7.30 the other night? Fascinating insight
hehehehe don’t do that TR … š