Weekend Gab Fest!

Have a great weekend reb.

Fingers crossed, SA kicks out the assholes for another decade this weekend

We now know why Senator Kitching died but who was bullying Shane Warne?

How is Penny Wong’s insult to Kimberly Kitchen about not having children, so she wouldn’t understand, so different from those directed to Gillard a decade ago.
The main differences are-
* People might expect better of an ALP woman
* Over the past decade, we should have progressed a little
* ALP types are hypocrites about such matters

So ‘arguments’, ‘debates’, the ‘writing of history’, etc can be somewhat more complicated than just citing ‘facts’? (Of which there is almost an infinite number.)

And we remember Bill Heffernan – claiming that deputy Labor leader Julia Gillard was unfit to lead the nation because she was “deliberately barren”. Fact or not?

So a ‘fact’ can also be an ‘insult’?

Isn’t it a ‘fact’ that Bill Heffernan’s statement of ‘fact’ re ‘Gillard’ can also be factually applied to ‘Wong’ herself? Or are their other matters to be considered when it comes to better insights?

Or is that becoming too complicated?

You really have to wonder why a young man would feel the need to defend himself with scissors from the people sworn to protect

Yep Shane Warne’s death came about because he WAS not invited to join the Labor Party. Thus he felt ‘rejected’; ‘shunned’; ‘isolated’; etc

Dan Andrews is giving him a State funeral to assuage his guilt.

(It’s a story doing the rounds in certain circles.)

So SA Labor wins easily. Nevertheless, Albo will have (unstated) regrets because some of the pent up feelings against Morrison will now be released. Political blood’s been spilt.

On the other hand, the incoming Labor government will access many more resources re the coming Federal campaign.

No doubt, Scott will seek advice from Jen.

and the wider problems of substance abuse, violence and sexual abuse including incestuous pedophilia that plague some remote communities.

Probably because we’ve been lied about in regards to this before

It was justified with and made possible by propaganda – distortions and lies. The Australian media played a vital role, notably the ABC.
https://newmatilda.com/2017/06/23/bad-aunty-seven-years-how-abc-lateline-sparked-racist-nt-intervention/

And still are

There’s mounting evidence against cashless debit cards, but the government is ploughing on regardless

https://theconversation.com/theres-mounting-evidence-against-cashless-debit-cards-but-the-government-is-ploughing-on-regardless-123763

Approximately 5% of the Queensland population claim Aboriginal ethnic descent, yet 40% of the children in ‘care’ come from that group. Statistically, it’s an obvious over-representation, particularly when the vast majority of social workers only commit children to ‘care’ as a last resort. Why? Because it doesn’t work, especially in the longer term. Indeed can cause more harm than good.

So why do they ‘commit’ when they know it doesn’t work? Particularly in the longer term. The answer is because it’s even worse to leave them in their current situation. Yes, removal is but a ‘band-aid’ but if that’s all you have, then it’s better than nothing. At least something has been done.

Enter the Cashless Welfare Card.

First a disclaimer. Personally, I don’t care if any adult (Aboriginal or White) pisses all their dollars against a wall, or loses it all in poker machines. As adults, in a free society, that is their right. Freedom and all that. But (and it’s a very big but), if there’s children involved, then the argument changes completely. Put simply, children (and those who really care for them on a day to day basis) should have rights too.

Sure the Cashless Welfare Card (as a concept) violates rights etc but it’s well to remember that some women think (know) it’s great and many children do as well. Perhaps we might listen to them?

Nevertheless it’s a big topic and the above only scratches the surface.

Re:

with foster parents caring for six or seven kids in one family

If you’re lucky. Often it’s many more. Because the ‘right’ foster parents are (almost) impossible to find. Not ‘good/right’ to take them and it’s not ‘good/right’ to leave them. An ongoing dilemma.

no real access to jobs

Indeed! But that applies (generally) no matter where they are located. Racism is alive and well across Australia and the darker the skin, the more pronounced it is. Not peculiar to Australia by the way because (colored) minority groups face the same difficulties across the world.

A lot of leftists may be well-intentioned.

Indeed they are but are you suggesting that ‘right-wingers’ aren’t so well intentioned?

That introduces ethical issues . Should those who ‘care’ be driven by deontological ethics with its emphasis on intentions ? (The Ten Commandments being deontological in nature.) Or should ‘decision-makers’ be motivated by teleological concerns – be outcome driven? Or should their metaphorical bible be existential ethics? Be driven by perceived circumstances? No easy answers?

How ethical is it to ‘school’ up certain groups, knowing full well that their ‘education’ will alienate them from their culture/peers/family etc?

And forget this pejorative bullshit about an agenda driven bureaucracy. Just imagine a bureaucracy without an agenda? Without hierarchy, without rules, without accountability, etc, etc. Imaging Question Time. Imagine the MSM. Imagine ‘right-wing’ bloggers?

Finally:

It is time for a change.

Yep! We’ve tried adding arsenic to the flour, poisoning the waterholes, driving them over cliffs … putting them in prisons etc. So what do you suggest? Giving them back their traditional lands? Their stolen wages? Where should we draw the line? And why?

(Seriously there’s no easy answers here. And that applies across the world. Ban-aids seem necessary for the immediate future. BUT how moral would it be to simply give up?)

But their policies have comprehensively failed.

You understand that for 2 decades, we have had conservative policies, and they have comprehensively failed. And they destroyed the ‘lefty’ policies, and complimented theirs, because they lied to us about it.

The lefty policies I object to have been continued by conservative governments.

Such as?

You didn’t actually mention any policies splats, you just had a go at certain people?

I’ve posted about indigenous policy in the past, and I won’t bother to post all my views now
But a starting point for change-
* Identify cottage industries that could begin to sustain communities and provide plenty of government support for them.
* Indigenous art is uniquely Australian, and is valuable
* Fund and support the initiative (in part) from getting rid of most of the other art funding. Which is mainly an imitation of the latest trend from Europe.
* Look at the way surfboard supply operates as a cottage industry

which limits cases in which kids can be rescued and the way those kids who are rescued are placed

The stolen generation shows us why we have this. The fact that we don’t have the resources to support them where they are is the issue

Also I mentioned the policy of educating kids primarily in their native language.

Learning your own history has proven to be more beneficial for students.It’s not a waste of time, it teaches both learning skills, and pride.

There is also the issue of inadequate policing and servicing of those communities which are badly dysfunctional.

That is generic everywhere, but yes, more pronounced due to isolation

The tribalisation of society into separate grievance groups is toxic

If that’s what you think multiculturalism is, then I think I see the issue here 😉

That is a common core of beliefs applicable to and accepted by all Australians.

You mean, like pretending first nation communities are rife with pedophiles in order to run an ‘intervention?

Or to lie about the outcomes of state managed social security funds in order to continue to state manage social security funds?

Oddly enough, a certain German historical figure had the same idea in 1939.

Yes, that sprung into my mind too, but I thought I’d try appeasement 🙂

Jordies was stalking the MP not doing Journalism

Yor confused dopey, that was his producer who was alleged to have ‘stalked’ the disgraced former MP, before that got thrown out of court

Jordies simply used the disgraced former MP’s actions in his political life to highlight the falsity of this image. Oh, and Friendly’s is of the same heritage 😉

I would say this was stalking

Mr Shanks used a fake Italian accent in the videos, which are still live on YouTube, and can be seen leaving a giant Mario toy in a bed at Mr Barilaro’s guesthouse which he rented through Airbnb.

I would say this was stalking

So, airbnb users are ‘stalkers’ lol

Re – “need a monoculture”.

That’s what China is attempting currently. Going to great extent(s) with social ‘rewards’ and/or ‘punishments’ supported by a massive surveillance network.

An interesting ‘experiment’ to say the least.

Of course many individuals are in favor but only if it’s the ‘other’ that does the changing.

Then why did he leave a “”giant Mario toy” at the guesthouse.???

I had the misfortune to come across one of Jordies Youtube clips and he was asking his audience if he would he get sued because of his actions?? He was just provoking the MP and not doing journalism

Meanwhile, I see Kimberly Kitching’s husband wasn’t on board with the ALP notion of shutting up about the bullying she experienced.

There is no chance the ALP will address its bullying problem

What bullying problem?

Did you notice that her husband referred to the problem during his eulogy?
But the ALP hacks regard that as poor taste

Exactly.

I see what you did there 😉

or didn’t do 🙂

That’s a typical blame the victim mentality

Here I was assuming the victim was dead.
But, nice to see that you are on board with dumping a $3 million debt on your wife and fleeing the country

As every Minister (including the Prime Minister) in every political party know(s) –

Your real enemies sit behind you.

Just ask Rudd, Gillard, Hawke, Keating, Turnbull, Abbott, Morrison …

It was ever thus.

I’ve saved you the trouble…
Bullying at work happens when:
*a person or group of people repeatedly behave unreasonably towards another worker or group of workers
*the behaviour creates a risk to health and safety.
So, is anyone suggesting the behaviour of the “mean girls” wasn’t unreasonable or that it didn’t happen on numerous occasions? And it seems that the state of health of Kimberly Kitching satisfies the second point.

It was ever thus.

Yep, it’s called politics. And rundle is just glad of an excuse to take the focus away from his precious greens

It’s one thing they all have in common, backroom brawling.

This needs to be discerned from ongoing examples of sexual abuse

It’s a reverse onus of proof.

This brings us back to this
“Fact check on aisle three please.”

Where is the evidence of Kitching making an allegation?

Which makes all your other ‘points’ pointless

Now you’re arguing that a dead person has to make a complaintto be fair, your ‘points’
forgot to mention that bullying is a third person, after the event, spectator issue

Are you aware that anyone can make a complaint about an OHS issue

Yes, but you need the concerned parties to be there to confirm

But withe way, who has done that? I know there has been some whining to the media, but with nothing more than slurs and aspersions

This brings us back to this
“Fact check on aisle three please.”

(Keep digging, you’re typically defending a poor organisational culture on a political basis

Indeed; (extra-)ordinary differences of opinion about (self-(mis)direction and (lack of) self-)control in the workplace are signal of (dis)organisational culture; unless (un)reasonably (mis)managed; one supposes.)

Jordies was a smartass

Yes, and he outsmarted the disgraced pollies, by using facts

He also was a stalker

Again, you have the wrong person, that was his producer who was accused of that. and it was thrown out of court

TomR

Please go away and try and deceive somebody else with your deceitful comments.

You support stalking

“”(You support stalking

Who doesn’t???)””

Anti Labor people.

Jordies was a stalker trying to make out he was doing independent journalism.

For the sake of argument let us say he was right about the Coalition Minister.?

Do you think Jordies would act the same with a Labor Minister??

Jordies was a partisian hack just making things more difficult for everybody. I doubt he did anything useful

Thanks TomR

He mentions a Labor council govt.

Did he ever mention the 8,469 children Rudd/Gillard locked up from 2008-2013. Or any State or Federal Labor govt??

Or the car industry Labor destroyed from 2008-2013??

Here’s why Kimberly Kitching wasn’t bullied
* She didn’t use the official ALP complaints system to note her treatment
* She only told her friends, and this is inadmissible evidence
* She was married to someone the ALP doesn’t like
* This doesn’t happen in the ALP
* Being ostracised in the ALP is common and she would have know this
* Man up, politics is tough

Here’s why Kimberly Kitching wasn’t bullied

“Fact check on aisle three please.”

“Ben Roberts-Smith’s former girlfriend tells defamation trial he punched her in face in Canberra hotel room”

Only doing what he was trained to do. (again, he is the litigant, right?)

Just keep excusing the ALP for the behaviour you condemn in other parties

“Fact check on aisle yomm please.”

Even eeb seems to have given up on that line
But keep defending the indefensible

TomR

Did you read my link? Here part of it again. Your hero Mr Shanks in action

.In the video, the YouTuber placed toys depicting the Nintendo character Mario throughout the house, including in one of the beds.

“Waking up with Mario in the bed – that’s a scene from ‘The Godfather’,” Mr Barilaro told the court.””””””

The guy was stalking the Coalition Minister. How would you like being stalked??

Is this an example of “bullying”? Or is “bullying” gender specific?

tells Ward to quit or face expulsion from Parliament after sexual assault charges

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/perrottet-tells-ward-to-quit-or-face-expulsion-from-parliament-after-sexual-assault-charges-20220322-p5a6w2.html

Where is the “due process”? Do reactions of this type vary according to Party of origin? Is the Premier’s ‘over-the-top’ call grounded in the fact that Kiama is now a ‘safe’ seat? Is this an example of Liberal factional bullying in action? Why isn’t Labor defending the Premier? Why isn’t Labor condemning the Premier?

Where is Albo in all this? After all, he is from NSW. Missing in action – again!

So many avenues for investigation. And that’s a fact! (Useless and irrelevant as most facts are.)

Greek democracy was somewhat participatory . Nowadays, Western democracy is representative .

Yet we have the technology to make it (much more) participatory once again.

Might be worth a try because the current arrangements leave much to be desired.

How would you like to wake up with a toy on your bed left by Shanks??

That’s a little personal, isn’t it 😉

But, to be clear, it was left in bed and breakfast. The cleaners would have found it. It wasn’t in JOHNLOVESTOLICK’s actual bed. I don’t think even friendlies would want to go near the actual bed of someone with an account linked to their email with the name JOHNLOVESTOLICK

How can it be anything other than hearsay?

Because, unlike a similar case, there is no documentary evidence of what these people (who have a very obvious political angle) are saying. And that is not from a lack of opportunity or due process. It is probably from a lack of … bullying.

As a few articles have mentioned, playing the game hard is not bullying, it is simply playing it hard. And she has been shown that she could give as good as anyone can.

But hey, remain in the gutter and keep slurring, it’s all you have.

The “silent treatment” is bullying.

…………

We know all of that occurred.

Yes, she leaked private party stuff, so they didn’t tell her any more. That’s not ‘the silent treatment’, that’s just common sense

Aren’t you ashamed of defending a clear case of bullying?

Aren’t you ashamed of calling evryday politics bullying?
Especially after remaining silent about the clear cases of bullying from the libs, especially towards Holgate, who basically got bullied out of her job, by the prim minister, from cowards castle.
Or reynolds, who also is playing your empty line, who actually called a (alleged) rape victim a ‘lying cow’

“Meanwhile, you continue to excuse behaviour that clearly meets the definition of bullying politics because it’s a tough game.”

fixed it 😉

Because, if it had met the definition of bullying, then, being the kind of political player she was, she would have used the substantial opportunities available to her to raise it with someone.

But, she didn’t. ergo, one can only deduce that these rancid slurs are just …. rancid slurs

Hilarious!
Now we have the excuse that people that haven’t specifically made a complaint aren’t the victim of bullying!
An apologist for workplace bullying (as long as it is the ALP that does the bullying)

…no, Tom R says-

“Fact check on aisle yomm please eeb.”

Oh, and JOHNLOVESTOLICK 🙂

You’ll have to show where I’ve suggested that her death was due to the bullying. Otherwise you’re inventing bullsh!t too.
The legal definition of bullying states that it may result in a risk to health. How is it possible to identify any further adverse reaction or risk?
Welcome to the defenders of bullying brigade

Ah, it’s becoming clear why the media, and other clueless right wing sympathisers, are running an unsubstantiated smear campaign so hard.

“There’s a fox among the chickens
And a killer in the hounds”
(The Prisoner pt2)

Just another episode of team dishwater self imploding as they head towards an election. Without them team teabag would never get over the line. The dumping of the local brown quota girl in preference to the celebrity white quota girl won’t be a bad decision either. Thank dog blib stooten won’t lower their numbers.`

And stress related to –
*being ostracised and
* ill considered and objectionable comments
…meets the legal definition of bullying

“Why are you all defending XYZ…??!!”

yommLIKESTOSLUR

But, to be clear, it was left in bed and breakfast. The cleaners would have found it.

How do you know the cleaners would have found it?? As usual you are making stuff up.

In the video, the YouTuber placed toys depicting the Nintendo character Mario throughout the house, including in one of the beds.

This is what you and Jordies call journalism.

It’s clear that you know zero about this
That’s because you’re an apologist for the ALP/union “whatever it takes” culture. This is a culture built on subjugating the will individual to the interests of the collective.
Put downs, ill considered comments, isolating the individual are the typical ALP/union tactics. The ALP notices this as much as a fish notices water.
And you don’t even bother to try to understand or acknowledge the standard of evidence that applies in hearings about such matters
Keep digging

And you don’t even bother to try to understand or acknowledge the standard of evidence that applies in hearings about such matters

She attended meetings, forced on them because of what goes on in the Liberal party (and, I’m sure, all parties), and nothing was raised there.

Perhaps she didn’t understand either.It’s a shame you weren’t on hand to mansplain it for her

I’m certain you haven’t seen the video, or the luxury residence that is
rented as a bnb in the bush miles from where Bruz actually resides.

So you are assuming. Even if true so what?? And what was Jordies doing in a BNB in the bush??

What sort of sicko would leave toys throughout the house?? The sort of sicko you support. I guess you do the same thing. Leave threatening things against people you are stalking

“Waking up with Mario in the bed – that’s a scene from ‘The Godfather’,” Mr Barilaro told the court.””””””

It’s your blog, and therefore it is entirely within your rights that you post as many ill informed comments as you wish

lol. What does anyone do in a BNB in the bush

I do not know. Perhaps you could tell me?

It is my opinion that Jordies was stalking a Coalition MP. Something he would never do if the guy was a Labor MP.

Lots of Labor MPs are rooting around.

Jordies is a smartass.

No wonder you like him because you are just the same

Maybe you can clarify, TB.
Was any of that relevant to anything I’ve said?

Bruz infernal

Keep digging

Says the one who has based an entire argument on hearsay and assumptions

Marles

I’m not sure if you understand who is doing the digging here yomm?

I also see that reynolds has already been exposed for lying about what she alleged a dead person said. These are yor mates remember yomm. The one who called a victim a ‘lying cow’ turned out to be a lying … person herself. And using a dead person as a tool to smear.

Just like someone around here is too ..

Yes every fifth columnist should be lauded loud and long and never ostracized!

What political planet was she on? A case of Alice in Wonderland ?

including suggestions, rumours, concerns about bullying

But you need these concerns voiced to you to take action. Nobody (except allegedly ‘close friends’ were told).

In fact, kk prided herself on her ‘toughness’.

Richard Marles was told.

Where is the link for that? I must have missed it

“if misbehaviour in any workplace reaches the point of requiring a formal complaint, it indicates something has gone wrong in the organisation.”

There was no formal complaint? There wasn’t even an informal complaint from what I’ve heard?

There are allegations and slurs of whining in the background, but, that is all

lols

15 years is a short time

I’d be happy if he buggered that up too

The least they deserve is to have him back

And Marles isn’t denying knowledge of the letter Kitching drafted detailing her treatment.

facepalm. Or, should I say, LINQUE?

It’s clear that Marles was aware of Kitching’s-
* Painful experience at the hands of her colleagues
* Going to the trouble of writing about her treatment
But Marles defaults to the using an excuse that there was no official complaint. That’s the definition of poor leadership

Marles declined to say whether or not he had seen the letter.

LINQUE

There’s simply no point in providing links to you

Well, actually, it’s usually because when we READ the links, we find they are wishy washy statements that don’t always reflect what you are saying

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/morning-shows/what-are-you-afraid-of-albo-grilled-on-mean-girls-claim/news-story/031c0da78e96a5990e42a326ad49a509

“But given all that has been said, let me let me say this. At no point did Kimberly make a bullying complaint to me.

“She was obviously unhappy about the Senate tactics committee. She never made a bullying complaint to me. She never sought for me to act, and I can‘t be clearer than that.”

It’s pretty cut and dried isn’t it.

and concentrate on Grotty

You mean the rort kings?

https://www.abc.net.au/7.30/questions-raised-about-the-integrity-of-carbon/13809550

Fantastic. Great Move. Well Done Angus

analysts say a plunge in the price of credits, triggered by a contentious change by the emissions reduction minister Angus Taylor, could last for years.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/24/australias-carbon-credit-scheme-could-take-years-to-recover-from-price-plunge-analysts-say?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

yep, just replace the name with ‘yomm’, and you get the message 😉

So this is how it ends. yomm admitting he’s been using somebodies death to simply ‘troll’ people.

So it’s now ‘risk free’ to allow refugees in Australia to re-settle in New Zealand. And only after 9 years of negotiation. Hilarious! (But scandalous.)

It’s known as the corollary. If we accept your statement- “Basically trolling.”…then you’d have to be a complete f*cking idiot to exchange opinions with me 5 or 10,000 times over 16 years.
I’m satisfied with your proposition, because it proved mine

She seems to have a case.

I mean, not letting someone onto a Committee who has been busted leaking party matters to the other party is obviously bullying, but threatening someone with jail for backing out on a deal, completely normal??

I mean, is that even possible, or is lambie just really ignorant?

because it proved mine

That you are a self confessed Troll, who used somebodies death to continue with your depraved activities?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10888878/

Wrong.
Of course a company can take action against an employee that is sabotaging a company.
If it wants to avoid a bullying allegation it applies a dismissal or disciplinary process. Case history has established that against an individual that does not follow a process is “not reasonable management action” and is therefore bullying.
Keep digging

Do some research on “reasonable management action”
And certainly someone who is an expert in feminist activism isn’t necessarily an expert in employment law.
The article ignored the requirement for “reasonable management action”
If a leader or company is to avoid bullying, the action taken (in dismissing or disciplining an individual) must-
* Be part of a defined process and policy
* Be transparent
* Provide the individual with the right of reply
* Allow the individual access to specialist advice and offer to have an impartial witness present
None of this appears to have occurred with respect to the treatment of Kimberly Kitching.
Action that has been found to be bullying includes-
* reassigning work and roster without discussion
and explanation,
* informal, ad hoc or angry feedback about work performance,
* neglecting to provide the right of reply before the imposition of action.
The article ignores the very basics, and is written by someone with no idea. But that’s the level of expertise used by the ALP cheer club in this discussion

All equal status?
The ALP leader of the senate is equal to a single senator? The person who allocates speaking time and parliamentary questions is equal to the person that receives the instructions from them
Do you think the authority that sets the standards and regulations for workplace behaviour should observe them?
Do you think the party that purports to support women and workers should observe the standards they set for others?

Be part of a defined process and policy

From eebs LINQUE

“If Kitching had made a formal complaint about bullying while alive there would have been an internal investigation, because Labor has processes in place to make that happen.”

yoll continues to use a dead person to Troll

Meanwhile, yolls favourite rorters are giving multi million taxpayer dollars to multi million dollar donors

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/25/coalition-went-directly-to-liberal-donor-whitehaven-to-purchase-coal-for-ukraine?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I’ve decided it’s far better to be known as a troll than to be known as the absolute f*ckwit who spends 16 years replying

lol eeb

It’s been .. ‘interesting’ watching is ‘Descent into the Maeltstyomm’

Why would I do that when you dull types are compelled to reply?

Those calling Labor hypocrites over factional in-fighting have little interest in the safety of women

https://www.themonthly.com.au/the-politics/rachel-withers/2022/25/2022/1648183486/tit-tat

Yep, turns out they’re just yolls

therefore I’m smarter.

All those brains, and yet you waste it all looking like a fool defending misogynist bullies by using a dead person as a shield.

Doesn’t seem too bright to me, but then, what would I know about genius behaviour?

“Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable people attempt to adapt the world to themselves. All progress, therefore, depends on unreasonable people.”
George Bernard Shaw

Sage advice

It’s possible that having an unpredictable, easily offended narcissist in the Whitehouse was a handbrake on some of the expansionist plans of the fascist Putin.
*Putin- how will he react if we invade?
*Advisor- we have no idea
Rational types can be predicted. Irrational narcissists can’t.
I’m not sure that’s such a great thing

Perhaps the cart is before the horse when it comes government budgeting?

A government should decide what NEEDS to be done as THE starting point and work backwards from that. After all, we now know that government debts and deficits are politically manageable.

Take the United States debt as an example – currently a mere $142 trillion or $919 000 per taxpayer.

https://www.truthinaccounting.org/about/our_national_debt?gclid=Cj0KCQjw0PWRBhDKARIsAPKHFGhZuYQ7lm0f-Ki9OZz3rZIqQ0LJqjL0lQNuKPEJcZ9EtlE40r5EFH0aAoYCEALw_wcB

Well beyond ‘austerity’?

Regardless, we are witnessing unrivalled incompetence.

I mean, it could all be true (except morrison telling the truth, that just cannot happen)

They think they dictate to Departments, rather than listening and learning from them. They also have no relationship past the dictatorial phase, so they really don’t know what happens once they dictate.

All they are interested is getting taxpayer monies into their or their mates pockets. And protecting the guilty.

https://www.theklaxon.com.au/home/anglican-child-sex-payouts-hit-taxpayers

yoll trolling again

Fool me once …………… 😉

Yes. It all meets the left criteria for “trolling”

It all me with yor criteria, which admitted to have been doing for some time now

It does explain yor stupid arguments better though

Yes, so perhaps you should try thinking about the corollary of the insults before dishing them out

Apparently this is contentious. There are probably more important things going on.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTqQn63aIT9zgoRJGrumB3AA1bsk5oC8hJN2Q&usqp=CAU

The weekends BACK BITCHES!

So, was Concetta Fierravanti-Wells Bullied out of pre-selection?

Are you making a case that she was Tom R?

Case MADE!

without any thinking or rationale required

You do understand that this is a higher level of actual proof than you ever put up. Confirmation from the actual people who had direct contact with the ‘alleged’ behaviour.

So yes, SETTLED! 🙂

Then just set out the case

Two people, on record, accusing the pm of bullying

A weak case, yes, but so far superior to the Kitching one, it makes you wonder why they even bothered

oh, that’s right, cheap smears is all youse got 😉

Tom R’s case
* Someone said so
* Grace Tame said so too

lol, yolling is already a thing, and, it seems it may be not far removed from ours 🙂

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Yolling

*Grace said so
That proves it

The things you find on the interwebs Tom R

Yes, that’s where I found it. Truly.

Thommo isn’t dead yet!

Can’t spin that any other way

Welcome to another do nothing budget (so, they just recycle the jokes)

yoll yolling over a shirtless putin

Not exactly how I saw the day starting.

I see morrison is on board with will smith using violence to ‘display’ his ‘love’. Unsurprising

🙂

And by the way, thank you…
Yoll
Australian way of greeting a friend. It is always accompanied by a peace sign. It’s a friendly way of greeting someone who will mutually send a “yoll” back

Can you make a case beyond * Grace said so* ?
I didn’t think you could

Victim on the left. Perps on the right:

I mean, saying she said it is easy, making it publicly, in person, is perhaps a bit different

Everyone is saying so, therefore it’s a fact!

Well, it’s a lot closer to a fact than unsubstantiated gossip, isn’t it?

yoll yolling about what yolling is?

Finally catching up yoll.
Now, the defense can have their turn 😉

That’s interesting
://theguttertrash.com/2022/03/18/weekend-gab-fest-4/#comment-197045

A thread well worth the read

That’s what Conservatives don’t seem to get. Present arrangements are always less than perfect that’s why one should try to be ‘progressive’.

The wider ‘living’ world is constantly evolving as Darwin pointed out. Scientists know that our understanding of the ‘physical’ world is also evolving as new theory is constructed, new methodologies devised, and new conclusions drawn.

Yet, so many Conservatives somehow think that the ‘democracy’ we have cannot be improved upon. That the Citizen should be consulted every three years or so and then the (effectively) elected dictators should be free to ‘reign’.

So sad that they think there is only two options. No imagination!

Why aren’t Conservatives reflecting publicly that the 2020 report of the Varieties of Democracy Institute found that the global share of democracies declined from 54% in 2009 to 49% in 2019, and that a greater share of the global population lived in autocratizing countries (6% in 2009, 34% in 2019).

Surely, one must question why democracy seems to be decline? Why is there an increasing gap between the ‘promise’ and the ‘performance’? Why are the youth so disinterested? Why is the current Australian government attempting to dissuade students from studying Arts (including politics, sociology etc) through fees rises? What are Conservatives worried about?

Not suggesting that an incoming Labor government would make great changes … But they couldn’t be worse. And at so many levels.

Just for the record, there mightn’t be any justification for ‘Putin’s war’ (rarely is there a justification for any war) but one should try to UNDERSTAND some of the many forces as to ‘why’ Putin went to war. To simply put it down to Putin’s ‘fascism’ is facile. That’s what the MSM does. Pitch it to a Year 5 reading level.

Surely we can do better than that? Surely we should entertain some ‘complexity’? Or is the historical past been for nought?

Look at the supposed reasons for the War(s) in Vietnam and Iraq (Advance of Communism and Weapons of Mass Destruction) and see how they stand up historically. Yet these alternative ‘insights’ were available at the time. And to question them publicly was at risk of ridicule.

But if you wish for simple explanations, that’s your right.

I’ve read Putin’s lengthy dissertation that justifies the invasion, have you? I doubt whether Putin wrote it himself.
Every territorial claim and aggressive expansionist has a cheer club, and his words reflected a territorial claim, not a defensive action
According to Putin it’s their right because –
* It has always been the case that Ukraine is part of Russia
* They are the same race
* They have the same history
Putin spends a lot of time talking about the events of 400 years ago.
It’s the attitude of a fascist.

spends a lot of time talking about the events of 400 years ago.
It’s the attitude of a … conservatist?

It was written in June 21, it’s the type of thing people read if they wish to make informed comments about such matters

As I’ve gone to the trouble of seeking out and reading Putin’s 5000 word essay (available on the Kremlin website) on why Ukraine is part of Russia, I’m finding it I little odd that I’m chided for not understanding Putin’s rationale for the invasion.
Putin’s rationale is surprisingly similar to that of Hitler.
* Unite the Germanic (Russian) people because of a shared history, culture, language.
* Germany (Russia) was cheated out of the territory at a time of weakness
It’s the rationale of a fascist, and anyone that has bothered to read beyond the MSM would come to the same conclusion

🙂 😆

Yes, I think this sums up your motivation…
ignorance is bliss
PROVERB
if one is unaware of an unpleasant fact or situation one cannot be troubled by it.

A person wants to have a logical argument.

Fool me once ………..

On this site, ridicule is an important option for reply, particularly if there’s nothing coherent to say

That’s entirely incorrect.
I was referring to several people and I said – “complete f**king idiot”

I was referring to several people and I said – “complete f**king idiot”

So you weren’t referring to reb?

But nils only one person (to my knowledge)

Somqhats the problem? I decided to accept the troll label, and just indicated the logical outcome of that.
Some people get annoyed with logic

BETTER ECONOMIC MANAGERS

You could blame the sub disaster on Rudd/ALP. Rudd produced a White paper saying we needed 12 subs. But did not say what type. Pink, blue or purple subs?? Rudd did not say.

The Coalition was handed the mess and then made the wrong decision. But at least they made a decision.

I think the next decision was also wrong. Nuc subs is a road we should not travel down.

I suspect if Abbott was PM we would have got the Japanese diesel subs. But since Turnbull was PM we got the French.

Turnbull was a disaster for Australia and the Coalition

Yes, and I posted a link to assist to understand the Russian perspective…an interview with a prominent Russian politician.
It provides an interesting insight, and to me, it shows a politician that struggles to cope with the type of questioning that their western democracy counterparts routinely experience