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Weekend Gab Fest!

March 18, 2022

Good afternoon

Here is an open thread where you can talk about whatever you like..

Have a lovely weekend.

reb.

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  1. March 18, 2022 4:04 pm

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  2. Tom R permalink
    March 18, 2022 4:36 pm

    Have a great weekend reb.

    Fingers crossed, SA kicks out the assholes for another decade this weekend

  3. March 18, 2022 4:51 pm

    “SA kicks out the assholes for another decade this weekend”

    Indeed!

  4. March 18, 2022 7:16 pm

    We now know why Senator Kitching died but who was bullying Shane Warne?

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2022 12:23 am

    Here is an open thread where you can talk about whatever you like..

    We usually fkn do! 🀣🀣🀣

    G’day reb! Ya still on hols?

    @ MN … my thoughts exactly … Bill Shorten sadly lit the fuse inadvertently …

  6. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 19, 2022 7:52 am

    How is Penny Wong’s insult to Kimberly Kitchen about not having children, so she wouldn’t understand, so different from those directed to Gillard a decade ago.
    The main differences are-
    * People might expect better of an ALP woman
    * Over the past decade, we should have progressed a little
    * ALP types are hypocrites about such matters

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 19, 2022 8:02 am

    “Kitching”

  8. March 19, 2022 10:11 am

    So ‘arguments’, ‘debates’, the ‘writing of history’, etc can be somewhat more complicated than just citing ‘facts’? (Of which there is almost an infinite number.)

    And we remember Bill Heffernan – claiming that deputy Labor leader Julia Gillard was unfit to lead the nation because she was β€œdeliberately barren”. Fact or not?

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 19, 2022 10:33 am

    Exactly! We had someone widely and correctly regarded as a throw back to the 1950s because he attempted to use Gillard’s childless status to make a political point
    A decade later we have Wong use the childless status of Kitching to attempt to make a point point.
    The difference is that hypocrites will look for ways to minimise Wong’s insult

  10. March 19, 2022 10:45 am

    So a ‘fact’ can also be an ‘insult’?

    Isn’t it a ‘fact’ that Bill Heffernan’s statement of ‘fact’ re ‘Gillard’ can also be factually applied to ‘Wong’ herself? Or are their other matters to be considered when it comes to better insights?

    Or is that becoming too complicated?

  11. March 19, 2022 10:50 am

    Then there’s ‘there’ and ‘their’. Lol.

  12. March 19, 2022 11:53 am

    I’m sorry to hear about the good Senators death of course but she was more conservative than most Liberals and should have been in the Liberal party.
    There’s not much difference between the two party’s these days.

  13. Tom R permalink
    March 19, 2022 3:32 pm

    How is Penny Wong’s insult to Kimberly Kitchen about not having children, so she wouldn’t understand, so different from those directed to Gillard a decade ago.

    Because it is a common saying, but then I guess, you not having children, you wouldn’t understand.

    It’s a far cry from ‘deliberately barren’, which carries a baggage of implications.

    And if you don’t think there is much to it, remember it occurred at the height of the liberal outbreak of bullying and misogyny within their own ranks, and it barely raised a peep. But now, when one, who had a record of playing it extremely tough, isn’t there for their side of the events, it’s become an issue

    It’s the depths of the msm to date. But, we still have further to go, I’m sure.

    ..

    Hi john O’Callaghan, you sound extremely ill informed, to put it mildly

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    March 19, 2022 4:19 pm

    TR, 😎

    https://brickbob.wordpress.com/

  15. Tom R permalink
    March 19, 2022 4:37 pm

    Hard to tell how the comment aligns with this then TB? Maybe I’m confused?

    https://polyfeministix.wordpress.com/2019/07/28/hey-hey-ho-ho-bothism-has-got-to-go/

  16. Tom R permalink
    March 19, 2022 4:49 pm

    You really have to wonder why a young man would feel the need to defend himself with scissors from the people sworn to protect

  17. ivi permalink
    March 19, 2022 4:51 pm

    It’s the depths of the msm to date….

    I dunno; autopsy(ies)-by-media seem(s) like good, clean fun; but, if the stats are remotely accurate, ‘the MSM’ might appear to be ‘ramping’ it (up) a bit.

  18. March 19, 2022 5:44 pm

    Yep Shane Warne’s death came about because he WAS not invited to join the Labor Party. Thus he felt ‘rejected’; ‘shunned’; ‘isolated’; etc

    Dan Andrews is giving him a State funeral to assuage his guilt.

    (It’s a story doing the rounds in certain circles.)

  19. March 19, 2022 6:25 pm

    Sad to say even Tingle’s in on the act:

    … often murky machinations … the Labor Party had killed her … very least contributed to her heart attack … told by two of those present … according to some sources … was stressed about what was happening … allegations that she was equally under stress because of her treatment at the hands of senior Labor women … stopped Labor’s momentum in its tracks …

    .. starts a narrative which will dominate the final stretch to polling day.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-19/kimberley-kitching-death-allegations-labor-ranks-albanese/100922050

    And they say there’s an ABC bias agin’ THIS government.

  20. March 19, 2022 10:25 pm

    So SA Labor wins easily. Nevertheless, Albo will have (unstated) regrets because some of the pent up feelings against Morrison will now be released. Political blood’s been spilt.

    On the other hand, the incoming Labor government will access many more resources re the coming Federal campaign.

    No doubt, Scott will seek advice from Jen.

  21. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 20, 2022 10:44 am

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  22. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 20, 2022 1:25 pm

    “You really have to wonder why a young man would feel the need to defend himself with scissors from the people sworn to protect”

    Probably the same reason he felt the need to threaten two other policemen with an axe.

    Probably the same reason he tried to strangle his girlfriend, dragged around by her hair, threw her down stairs and then kicked her and punched her in the face as she lay on the ground. Same reason he broke her hand with a steel bar, no doubt. The girlfriend’s grandfather “gave” her to Walker when she was 14.

    Probably the same reason he and his thug mates so terrorised the nurses living in Yuendumu that NT Health had to temporarily withdraw them. (His own actions resulted in there being no medical staff to treat him when he was shot.)

    Walker likely had fetal alcohol syndrome. From Warren Mundine’s article in the Australian:

    Handed to friends by his mother at birth, he was raised by community and extended family members in dysfunctional environments, with domestic violence, fighting, filthy homes, alcohol abuse and adults unable to take basic care of him.

    He barely had any schooling and was frequently sick with ear and chest infections, nits and scabies. From a young age he began consuming alcohol and marijuana and sniffing aerosols. He was on this pathway even before birth, his mother reportedly drinking heavily during pregnancy and with a history of petrol sniffing.

    Mongrel leftist policy dictates that this sort of thing will continue down the generations. Failure to rescue is unforgivable. Maintaining remote welfare-dependent communities is calculated to have this effect. Intergenerational welfare is bad enough in some Western Sydney suburbs and it is even worse in remote communities with less access to jobs.

    Mundine correctly concludes:

    We as a nation, as well as Indigenous communities, need to face up to the violence and dysfunction plaguing so many Indigenous families and communities across Australia and speak openly and honestly about it. Its root causes aren’t a mystery; nor the solutions. What’s missing is the will.

    Like you, Tom R, lefties will bagging the cop. What they won’t do is look hard at the horrific abuse inflicted on Walker’s girlfriend and the wider problems of substance abuse, violence and sexual abuse including incestuous pedophilia that plague some remote communities.

  23. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 20, 2022 2:34 pm

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  24. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 20, 2022 5:49 pm

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  25. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 20, 2022 5:50 pm

    “G’day reb! Ya still on hols?”

    Nah, back at the toil I’m afraid TB, but not for much longer if all things fall into place this year… πŸ˜‰

  26. Tom R permalink
    March 20, 2022 7:43 pm

    and the wider problems of substance abuse, violence and sexual abuse including incestuous pedophilia that plague some remote communities.

    Probably because we’ve been lied about in regards to this before

    It was justified with and made possible by propaganda – distortions and lies. The Australian media played a vital role, notably the ABC.
    https://newmatilda.com/2017/06/23/bad-aunty-seven-years-how-abc-lateline-sparked-racist-nt-intervention/

    And still are

    There’s mounting evidence against cashless debit cards, but the government is ploughing on regardless

    https://theconversation.com/theres-mounting-evidence-against-cashless-debit-cards-but-the-government-is-ploughing-on-regardless-123763

  27. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 20, 2022 7:43 pm

    Hope things fall into place!
    But I can’t understand why retired people say they don’t know how they ever had time to work…
    What’s the use of being retired if you just fill your day up with busy stuff!! Try a relaxed itinerary
    * Cafe and newspapers
    * Look at the surf, maybe go in an annoy some young surfers
    * Faff around in the garden
    * Read a book
    * Annoy some people on social media
    * Go to another cafe
    * Go to a restaurant
    The days just fly!!

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    March 20, 2022 8:20 pm

    … not for much longer if all things fall into place this year…

    Best of luck, mate … hope it works for you.

    We live in interesting times …

    Good Lord! ToM, lives in stranger times? 😏

  29. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 20, 2022 10:18 pm

    ” Annoy some people on social media”

    The thought had occurred to me.

    Although I must say that I’m not short of ppl who say:

    But you’re too young to retire.
    What will yo do?
    Won’t you get bored?
    You can’t be too careful
    That’s a big decision/move

    I imagine most are well meaning but FFS, I’ve managed to get thru life thus far with all the bullshit and survival tactics that are required, don’t you think I’dl know by now, when I’m ready to call time on the captiliatistic facsist machine machine that’s enabled me to get reasonably fkn comfortable and now spend some time doing what I’dactually like with the rest of my fkn life?

    But no. πŸ™„

  30. March 20, 2022 10:25 pm

    Approximately 5% of the Queensland population claim Aboriginal ethnic descent, yet 40% of the children in ‘care’ come from that group. Statistically, it’s an obvious over-representation, particularly when the vast majority of social workers only commit children to ‘care’ as a last resort. Why? Because it doesn’t work, especially in the longer term. Indeed can cause more harm than good.

    So why do they ‘commit’ when they know it doesn’t work? Particularly in the longer term. The answer is because it’s even worse to leave them in their current situation. Yes, removal is but a ‘band-aid’ but if that’s all you have, then it’s better than nothing. At least something has been done.

    Enter the Cashless Welfare Card.

    First a disclaimer. Personally, I don’t care if any adult (Aboriginal or White) pisses all their dollars against a wall, or loses it all in poker machines. As adults, in a free society, that is their right. Freedom and all that. But (and it’s a very big but), if there’s children involved, then the argument changes completely. Put simply, children (and those who really care for them on a day to day basis) should have rights too.

    Sure the Cashless Welfare Card (as a concept) violates rights etc but it’s well to remember that some women think (know) it’s great and many children do as well. Perhaps we might listen to them?

    Nevertheless it’s a big topic and the above only scratches the surface.

  31. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 21, 2022 7:33 am

    ” Because it doesn’t work”

    What doesn’t work is the current system. Paying people in the middle of the desert with no real access to jobs sit-down money is a crime against them. The reluctance to rescue coupled with a determination to place kids with indigenous families rather than non-indigenous families better able to care for them is a complete train wreck. Often you end up with foster parents caring for six or seven kids in one family. They can’t and don’t get the attention they need in that situation.

    It is child abuse to educate kids in their native language spoken, by a few thousand people at most, with English as a second language. Their life choices are diminished by this decision.

    Non-removal didn’t work for Walker’s girlfriend. He grandfather “gave” her to a violent thug when she was 14. Her situation is not unique. Where are the white upper-middle class feminists on this issue? Too busy playing mean girls, I guess. Or being voices of Simon Holmes Γ  Court.

    A lot of leftists may be well-intentioned. But their policies have comprehensively failed. Today’s leftists now know this and cannot possibly be ignorant of the tragic consequences of their failed policies. They have no shame, no decency and no excuse. Vast amounts of money are thrown at this problem and yet things don’t improve. It is time for a change.

    I have a sister who is a social worker working with indigenous clients. She has to deal with traumatic situations every day. She can see the problems and is constantly frustrated by the difficulties of getting abused kids to good homes. And even then there is no permanence or stability for the children who are often shuttled back and forth between foster families and “community”. There is an agenda-driven bureaucracy whose policies ensure that people like Walker and his girlfriend will continue to be abused and that many of those in turn become abusers.

  32. March 21, 2022 9:21 am

    Re:

    with foster parents caring for six or seven kids in one family

    If you’re lucky. Often it’s many more. Because the ‘right’ foster parents are (almost) impossible to find. Not ‘good/right’ to take them and it’s not ‘good/right’ to leave them. An ongoing dilemma.

    no real access to jobs

    Indeed! But that applies (generally) no matter where they are located. Racism is alive and well across Australia and the darker the skin, the more pronounced it is. Not peculiar to Australia by the way because (colored) minority groups face the same difficulties across the world.

    A lot of leftists may be well-intentioned.

    Indeed they are but are you suggesting that ‘right-wingers’ aren’t so well intentioned?

    That introduces ethical issues . Should those who ‘care’ be driven by deontological ethics with its emphasis on intentions ? (The Ten Commandments being deontological in nature.) Or should ‘decision-makers’ be motivated by teleological concerns – be outcome driven? Or should their metaphorical bible be existential ethics? Be driven by perceived circumstances? No easy answers?

    How ethical is it to ‘school’ up certain groups, knowing full well that their ‘education’ will alienate them from their culture/peers/family etc?

    And forget this pejorative bullshit about an agenda driven bureaucracy. Just imagine a bureaucracy without an agenda? Without hierarchy, without rules, without accountability, etc, etc. Imaging Question Time. Imagine the MSM. Imagine ‘right-wing’ bloggers?

    Finally:

    It is time for a change.

    Yep! We’ve tried adding arsenic to the flour, poisoning the waterholes, driving them over cliffs … putting them in prisons etc. So what do you suggest? Giving them back their traditional lands? Their stolen wages? Where should we draw the line? And why?

    (Seriously there’s no easy answers here. And that applies across the world. Ban-aids seem necessary for the immediate future. BUT how moral would it be to simply give up?)

  33. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 21, 2022 10:07 am

    “Because the β€˜right’ foster parents are (almost) impossible to find.”

    If you exclude non-indigenous families.

    “Racism is alive and well across Australia”

    Yep – everything is all about racism, isn’t it? Even though we live in the least racist times, it isn’t going away, apparently.

    ” the darker the skin, the more pronounced it is.”

    Bess Price knows all about it. While Bess is on the ground helping people in NT the lighter-skinned city dwelling wanker, Larissa Behrendt is harassing her (and dreaming of sex with a horse).

    ” are you suggesting that β€˜right-wingers’ aren’t so well intentioned?”

    Not at all. I was merely contrasting the intended outcome with the actual outcome.

    “How ethical is it to β€˜school’ up certain groups, knowing full well that their β€˜education’ will alienate them from their culture/peers/family etc?”

    Those kids deserve the same education and the same life choices as other kids. And it isn’t a binary choice as you suggest. This is a basic human rights issue.

    “And forget this pejorative bullshit about an agenda driven bureaucracy. Just imagine a bureaucracy without an agenda?”

    I’m all for good policy based on an agenda of benefiting clients and the community. Bureaucrats should not persist with a failed agenda which causes grotesque human suffering.

    “BUT how moral would it be to simply give up?”

    I’m not advocating giving up. Warren Mundine’s article I linked to above has some suggestions. If you don’t have access I can post some of the relevant bits if you are interested.

  34. Tom R permalink
    March 21, 2022 10:25 am

    But their policies have comprehensively failed.

    You understand that for 2 decades, we have had conservative policies, and they have comprehensively failed. And they destroyed the ‘lefty’ policies, and complimented theirs, because they lied to us about it.

  35. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 21, 2022 12:01 pm

    I agree with that Tom R. The lefty policies I object to have been continued by conservative governments.

  36. Tom R permalink
    March 21, 2022 12:05 pm

    The lefty policies I object to have been continued by conservative governments.

    Such as?

  37. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 21, 2022 12:13 pm

    The ones I mentioned above.

  38. Tom R permalink
    March 21, 2022 12:27 pm

    You didn’t actually mention any policies splats, you just had a go at certain people?

  39. Tom R permalink
    March 21, 2022 12:31 pm

    Well, apart from wtte ‘maintaining welfare dependent communities’, but, that has changed from the model of moving to self sustained communities to the welfare/intervention model, so, not sure which policies exactly you are referring to

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 21, 2022 1:13 pm

    I’ve posted about indigenous policy in the past, and I won’t bother to post all my views now
    But a starting point for change-
    * Identify cottage industries that could begin to sustain communities and provide plenty of government support for them.
    * Indigenous art is uniquely Australian, and is valuable
    * Fund and support the initiative (in part) from getting rid of most of the other art funding. Which is mainly an imitation of the latest trend from Europe.
    * Look at the way surfboard supply operates as a cottage industry

  41. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 21, 2022 1:28 pm

    Tom R, I also mentioned policy which limits cases in which kids can be rescued and the way those kids who are rescued are placed and the policies that often result in upheaval in the kids lives. Also I mentioned the policy of educating kids primarily in their native language.

    There is also the issue of inadequate policing and servicing of those communities which are badly dysfunctional.

    More generally multiculturalism is a dreadful policy. The tribalisation of society into separate grievance groups is toxic. We need a monoculture. That is a common core of beliefs applicable to and accepted by all Australians. Grievance mongers should have no role in society. They are pure poison.

  42. Tom R permalink
    March 21, 2022 2:18 pm

    which limits cases in which kids can be rescued and the way those kids who are rescued are placed

    The stolen generation shows us why we have this. The fact that we don’t have the resources to support them where they are is the issue

    Also I mentioned the policy of educating kids primarily in their native language.

    Learning your own history has proven to be more beneficial for students.It’s not a waste of time, it teaches both learning skills, and pride.

    There is also the issue of inadequate policing and servicing of those communities which are badly dysfunctional.

    That is generic everywhere, but yes, more pronounced due to isolation

    The tribalisation of society into separate grievance groups is toxic

    If that’s what you think multiculturalism is, then I think I see the issue here πŸ˜‰

    That is a common core of beliefs applicable to and accepted by all Australians.

    You mean, like pretending first nation communities are rife with pedophiles in order to run an ‘intervention?

    Or to lie about the outcomes of state managed social security funds in order to continue to state manage social security funds?

  43. Tom R permalink
    March 21, 2022 2:54 pm

    Identify cottage industries that could begin to sustain communities and provide plenty of government support for them.

    So, CDEP. In other words, ‘a starting point for change’ would be to unwind everything done since howard and continue on from there πŸ˜‰

  44. March 21, 2022 3:52 pm

    “We need a monoculture. That is a common core of beliefs applicable to and accepted by all Australians.”

    Oddly enough, a certain German historical figure had the same idea in 1939. 😯

  45. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 21, 2022 4:15 pm

    This TomRs friend

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/google-failed-to-remove-racist-friendlyjordies-videos-of-john-barilaro-despite-knowing-of-personal-vendetta-court-told/ar-AAViuK1?ocid=msedgntp

    Google knew a popular YouTube comedian had a “personal vendetta” against former NSW deputy premier John Barilaro but left “racist” videos online that mocked his Italian heritage, a court has heard.

    Mr Barilaro is suing Google over two videos posted by comedian and political commentator Jordan Shanks, who is known online as FriendlyJordies.

    The videos, posted in September and October in 2020, accused Mr Barilaro of years of corrupt decision making, relied on racial stereotypes about the mafia and used slurs like “fat wog c**k”, and “decadent conman”.

    Mr Shanks used a fake Italian accent in the videos, which are still live on YouTube, and can be seen leaving a giant Mario toy in a bed at Mr Barilaro’s guesthouse which he rented through Airbnb.

    The last bit needs to be repeated

    Mr Shanks used a fake Italian accent in the videos, which are still live on YouTube,
    and can be seen leaving a giant Mario toy in a bed at Mr Barilaro’s guesthouse which he rented through Airbnb.

    Jordies was stalking the MP not doing Journalism

  46. Tom R permalink
    March 21, 2022 4:39 pm

    Oddly enough, a certain German historical figure had the same idea in 1939.

    Yes, that sprung into my mind too, but I thought I’d try appeasement πŸ™‚

    Jordies was stalking the MP not doing Journalism

    Yor confused dopey, that was his producer who was alleged to have ‘stalked’ the disgraced former MP, before that got thrown out of court

    Jordies simply used the disgraced former MP’s actions in his political life to highlight the falsity of this image. Oh, and Friendly’s is of the same heritage πŸ˜‰

  47. Tom R permalink
    March 21, 2022 4:40 pm

    Is it really ‘shooting the messenger’, when the messenger isn’t delivering news, but rather putrid, unfounded rumours ?

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 21, 2022 4:42 pm

    I would say this was stalking

    Mr Shanks used a fake Italian accent in the videos, which are still live on YouTube, and can be seen leaving a giant Mario toy in a bed at Mr Barilaro’s guesthouse which he rented through Airbnb.

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    March 21, 2022 5:18 pm

    Interesting discussion above … this caught my eye …

    Also I mentioned the policy of educating kids primarily in their native language.

    The Minister and I lived in PNG in 1988 and I travelled across the country as part of my work for Elcom. PNG has around 850 languages … most Nationals know at least four languages, English, Pidgin, Motu and their village language.

    PNG’s National language is English … for many good reasons …

    Australian First People have over 250 languages … see a good reason there?

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    March 21, 2022 5:21 pm

    Oddly enough, a certain German historical figure had the same idea in 1939.

    And oddly enough most Germans and Austrians speak very good English! 😎

  51. TB Queensland permalink
    March 21, 2022 5:29 pm

    Shhhhhh, don’t tell Kneel …

    $1.8 billion City Deal for SEQ finally lands to fire up Olympics dream

    Or all the people flooded out in SEQ and Northern Rivers NSW … 😫😲😧

    Good to see SlicMo saving money again … oh, wait! 😎

  52. Tom R permalink
    March 21, 2022 6:34 pm

    I would say this was stalking

    So, airbnb users are ‘stalkers’ lol

  53. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 21, 2022 7:12 pm

    TomR

    Why was Jordies staying at the MPs airbnb? He was following him around. He was being a pain. He was just trying to antagonize the guy and not doing journalism.

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    March 21, 2022 7:14 pm

    Rupert Mordoch’s mob must be really short of money, or intelligent staff (deliberately dumb?) … take a look at the third photo down … very 1970’s apart from the photoshopped 2022 woman in the foreground … LOL!

    Ford Cortina, double decker, Falcon ute and I think that’s a Ford Galaxy … oh! a 1970 VW Kombie! And the train … don’t forget the train …

    Although NSW is the only Liberal State now … makes it easier to track the pork barrels …

    Silliness of the digital age … as I tell my kids – the advantage I have I know the questions to Google … 😎

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    March 21, 2022 7:17 pm

    Why was Jordies staying at the MPs airbnb?
    What did, splats, call ’em – serial whingers? I suppose it’s more, series conspiracy whinger.

  56. March 21, 2022 7:22 pm

    Re – “need a monoculture”.

    That’s what China is attempting currently. Going to great extent(s) with social ‘rewards’ and/or ‘punishments’ supported by a massive surveillance network.

    An interesting ‘experiment’ to say the least.

    Of course many individuals are in favor but only if it’s the ‘other’ that does the changing.

  57. Tom R permalink
    March 21, 2022 8:28 pm

    He was just trying to antagonize the guy and not doing journalism.

    He showed that, not only did the disgraced former MP lie about having to travel to his modest farm to ‘feed the chooks’ during a lockdown, but that he actually owned a large, plush, well stocked bnb that didn’t need any maintenance at all. He was doing journalism, and it’s thanks to him, and his journalism, both the dodgy premier, and the dodgier disgraced former MP are now both … former

    He did better journalism than the rest of the #auspol msm combined

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 21, 2022 8:54 pm

    Then why did he leave a “”giant Mario toy” at the guesthouse.???

    I had the misfortune to come across one of Jordies Youtube clips and he was asking his audience if he would he get sued because of his actions?? He was just provoking the MP and not doing journalism

  59. Tom R permalink
    March 21, 2022 9:43 pm

    Then why did he leave a β€œβ€giant Mario toy” at the guesthouse.?

    Oh, he definitely poked fun at him, he’s a ‘comedian’

    But it was his journalism that got both of premier and bruz eternal to quit, because his journalism was spot on

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2022 8:00 am

    Meanwhile, I see Kimberly Kitching’s husband wasn’t on board with the ALP notion of shutting up about the bullying she experienced.

  61. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 22, 2022 9:09 am

    There is no chance the ALP will address its bullying problem. It is an entrenched part of Labor culture. If they took it seriously that pernicious dogfucker Eachway Albo would resign in shame.

  62. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2022 9:25 am

    There is no chance the ALP will address its bullying problem

    What bullying problem?

  63. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2022 9:27 am

    Ah, the one from the media running unsubstantiated slurs using a dead woman as a shield because she cannot give her own account of what happened. THAT bullying problem?

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2022 9:45 am

    Did you notice that her husband referred to the problem during his eulogy?
    But the ALP hacks regard that as poor taste

  65. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2022 10:01 am

    But the ALP hacks regard that as poor taste

    They probably consider dumping a $3 million debt on your wife and fleeing the country as poor taste too. If these are the people you are believing, then that’s your option.

    Just remember, when you lie down with dogs ….

  66. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 22, 2022 10:02 am

    “What bullying problem?”

    Exactly.

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2022 10:32 am

    So the husband makes an emotional eulogy, and he’s to blame!
    That’s a typical blame the victim mentality

  68. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2022 10:55 am

    Exactly.

    I see what you did there πŸ˜‰

    or didn’t do πŸ™‚

    That’s a typical blame the victim mentality

    Here I was assuming the victim was dead.
    But, nice to see that you are on board with dumping a $3 million debt on your wife and fleeing the country

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2022 11:15 am

    Another typical comment. Don’t you think victims might include the family of the deceased, who happened to be relentlessly bullied by some of her fellow ALP colleagues?

  70. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 22, 2022 11:24 am

    “Here I was assuming the victim was dead.”

    That only makes it worse!

  71. March 22, 2022 11:30 am

    As always, different people construct a different reality:

    Kitching, 52, in a high-pressure job, taking medication for a thyroid problem, died of a heart attack … allies in the subsection of the right were framing it as the product of β€œbullying” by other factions …

    With the federal party taking over the Victorian branch, and an open hunting season on Somyurek and Shorten-aligned state MPs, how could she not have seen what was coming? …

    That her faction β€” ever more beleaguered with her death β€” would try on the β€œbullying” thing is interesting. It appears to mark the end of any notion of Labor as a party expressing toughness and resilience in a fight against capital on behalf of the working- and middle- classes … Labor made great fun of the Greens’ internal discourse of fairness, anti-bullying etc. Now it’s the Greens who look tougher and more resolute, and Labor which looks like an emotional basket case. …

    The charge that vigorous political contestation in a party β€” a situation you signed on for, competing at that level β€” caused a fatal heart attack is bullshit, a deliberate category error. If we applied that standard, public life would be unperformable.

    It’s snowflakism at its worst …

    Love his (Guy Rundle) final line – You find that too awful to believe? Then don’t join the Labor Party, cos it’ll kill ya.

  72. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 22, 2022 11:50 am

    “relentlessly bullied”

    Fact check on aisle three please.

  73. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 22, 2022 11:54 am

    Usual BS from semi-literate Marxist grub Rundle.

    “the β€œbullying” thing”

    That is the question, not the answer.

    “It appears to mark the end of any notion of Labor as a party expressing toughness and resilience in a fight against capital.”

    If we are going to win the class war then we have to bully better!

  74. March 22, 2022 12:10 pm

    As every Minister (including the Prime Minister) in every political party know(s) –

    Your real enemies sit behind you.

    Just ask Rudd, Gillard, Hawke, Keating, Turnbull, Abbott, Morrison …

    It was ever thus.

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2022 12:12 pm

    “Fact check on aisle three please.”
    Are you serious? Maybe start with the Fair Work Act definition and try again.
    Unless you prefer to ignore or excuse workplace bullying

  76. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2022 12:22 pm

    I’ve saved you the trouble…
    Bullying at work happens when:
    *a person or group of people repeatedly behave unreasonably towards another worker or group of workers
    *the behaviour creates a risk to health and safety.

    So, is anyone suggesting the behaviour of the “mean girls” wasn’t unreasonable or that it didn’t happen on numerous occasions? And it seems that the state of health of Kimberly Kitching satisfies the second point.

  77. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2022 12:35 pm

    So, is anyone suggesting the behaviour of the β€œmean girls” wasn’t unreasonable or that it didn’t happen on numerous occasions?

    What exactly are these alleged ‘mean girls’ supposed to have done?

    And it seems that the state of health of Kimberly Kitching satisfies the second point.

    Her existing health condition and lifestyle would have played a much larger role than a stressful job.

  78. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2022 12:38 pm

    It was ever thus.

    Yep, it’s called politics. And rundle is just glad of an excuse to take the focus away from his precious greens

    It’s one thing they all have in common, backroom brawling.

    This needs to be discerned from ongoing examples of sexual abuse

  79. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2022 1:36 pm

    You’re obviously not very familiar with the process around bullying allegations.
    1. It’s a reverse onus of proof.
    2. It doesn’t have to be intentional
    3. It only has to contribute to the health risk
    4. Casual or informal ostracism is a form of bullying, so are comments that can be perceived as ill intended, even if they aren’t deliberate.
    5. In any hearing, an advocate would certainly prefer to argue Kitching’s case to the ALP’s

  80. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2022 2:17 pm

    It’s a reverse onus of proof.

    This brings us back to this
    β€œFact check on aisle three please.”

    Where is the evidence of Kitching making an allegation?

    Which makes all your other ‘points’ pointless

  81. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2022 2:26 pm

    Bizarre!
    Now you’re arguing that a dead person has to make a complaint

  82. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2022 2:40 pm

    Now you’re arguing that a dead person has to make a complaintto be fair, your ‘points’
    forgot to mention that bullying is a third person, after the event, spectator issue

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2022 2:48 pm

    Are you aware that anyone can make a complaint about an OHS issue, regardless of whether they are directly effected?
    Keep digging, you’re typically defending a poor organisational culture on a political basis

  84. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2022 3:04 pm

    Are you aware that anyone can make a complaint about an OHS issue

    Yes, but you need the concerned parties to be there to confirm

    But withe way, who has done that? I know there has been some whining to the media, but with nothing more than slurs and aspersions

    This brings us back to this
    β€œFact check on aisle three please.”

  85. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 22, 2022 3:24 pm

    This is true:

  86. ivi permalink
    March 22, 2022 3:26 pm

    (Keep digging, you’re typically defending a poor organisational culture on a political basis

    Indeed; (extra-)ordinary differences of opinion about (self-(mis)direction and (lack of) self-)control in the workplace are signal of (dis)organisational culture; unless (un)reasonably (mis)managed; one supposes.)

  87. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 22, 2022 3:37 pm

    But it was his journalism that got both of premier and bruz eternal to quit, because his journalism was spot on

    This is proof that people believe what they want to believe and facts are irrelevant. AS if a journalist would leave a giant Mario toy to make a point or to be funny.

    Jordies was a smartass

    He also was a stalker

  88. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2022 3:46 pm

    Jordies was a smartass

    Yes, and he outsmarted the disgraced pollies, by using facts

    He also was a stalker

    Again, you have the wrong person, that was his producer who was accused of that. and it was thrown out of court

  89. ivi permalink
    March 22, 2022 3:50 pm

    ( Australian First People have over 250 languages … see a good reason there?

    No?)

  90. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 22, 2022 3:56 pm

    TomR

    Please go away and try and deceive somebody else with your deceitful comments.

    You support stalking

  91. ivi permalink
    March 22, 2022 4:09 pm

    (You support stalking

    Who doesn’t???)

  92. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 22, 2022 4:28 pm

    “”(You support stalking

    Who doesn’t???)””

    Anti Labor people.

    Jordies was a stalker trying to make out he was doing independent journalism.

    For the sake of argument let us say he was right about the Coalition Minister.?

    Do you think Jordies would act the same with a Labor Minister??

    Jordies was a partisian hack just making things more difficult for everybody. I doubt he did anything useful

  93. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2022 4:40 pm

    For the sake of argument let us say he was right about the Coalition Minister.?

    You mean the ones who left in disgrace?

    Do you think Jordies would act the same with a Labor Minister??

  94. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 22, 2022 4:51 pm

    Thanks TomR

    He mentions a Labor council govt.

    Did he ever mention the 8,469 children Rudd/Gillard locked up from 2008-2013. Or any State or Federal Labor govt??

    Or the car industry Labor destroyed from 2008-2013??

  95. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 22, 2022 5:10 pm

    From the Christian Porter Guide to Successful Litigation comes the next chapter in Ben Roberts-Smith’s remarkable defamation proceedings…

    “Ben Roberts-Smith’s former girlfriend tells defamation trial he punched her in face in Canberra hotel room”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-22/ben-roberts-smith-punched-woman-in-face-at-hotel-court-told/100930366

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2022 5:15 pm

    Here’s why Kimberly Kitching wasn’t bullied
    * She didn’t use the official ALP complaints system to note her treatment
    * She only told her friends, and this is inadmissible evidence
    * She was married to someone the ALP doesn’t like
    * This doesn’t happen in the ALP
    * Being ostracised in the ALP is common and she would have know this
    * Man up, politics is tough

  97. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 22, 2022 5:27 pm

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/former-nsw-deputy-premier-john-barilaro-says-racist-youtube-videos-drove-him-to-consider-self-harm/ar-AAVlvw0?ocid=msedgntp

    “”” Former NSW deputy premier John Barilaro has told a court that Google’s refusal to delete “vile, racist” videos made him hesistant to leave his home and drove him to consider “self-harm”.

    Mr Barilaro is suing the technology giant for defamation over two videos posted on its YouTube channel in 2020 by comedian Jordan Shanks, who is known online as FriendlyJordies….. The videos in question, titled “Bruz” and ‘”Secret Dictatorship”, have attracted hundreds of thousands of views.

    Mr Barilaro claims they portray him as “a fat, decadent conman” and are filled with racial slurs and stereotypes, linking him to the Mafia and referring to him as a “greasy wog”….He said members of the public who had viewed the videos would confront him aggressively, flashing FriendlyJordies merchandise which mocked him and calling him a “corrupt piece of s**t.”….In the video, the YouTuber placed toys depicting the Nintendo character Mario throughout the house, including in one of the beds.

    “Waking up with Mario in the bed – that’s a scene from ‘The Godfather’,” Mr Barilaro told the court.””””””

  98. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2022 5:28 pm

    Here’s why Kimberly Kitching wasn’t bullied

    β€œFact check on aisle three please.”

    β€œBen Roberts-Smith’s former girlfriend tells defamation trial he punched her in face in Canberra hotel room”

    Only doing what he was trained to do. (again, he is the litigant, right?)

  99. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 22, 2022 5:31 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  100. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2022 5:32 pm

    Just keep excusing the ALP for the behaviour you condemn in other parties

  101. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 22, 2022 5:44 pm

    Once again TomR

    β€œWaking up with Mario in the bed – that’s a scene from β€˜The Godfather’,” Mr Barilaro told the court.””””””

  102. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2022 6:53 pm

    β€œFact check on aisle yomm please.”

  103. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 22, 2022 6:58 pm

    “Just keep excusing the ALP for the behaviour you condemn in other parties”

    Can’t recall you condemning this but I’m sure you will have a link to prove me wrong…

  104. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 22, 2022 6:59 pm

    Even eeb seems to have given up on that line
    But keep defending the indefensible

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    March 22, 2022 7:21 pm

    ivi permalink
    March 22, 2022 3:50 pm

    Though the French find it distasteful English is now the virtual International language (though its awkward in Chile too) …

    The PNG government declared English as the national language and it’s taught in schools … but Nationals still learn their village wontok, Motu and Pidgin …

    No reason why our Aboriginal people can’t learn both their mob language and English (not in that order) – I know which one will benefit them the most …

  106. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 22, 2022 7:22 pm

    Nothing to see here…

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-22/ministers-asked-to-apologise-for-groaning/100930282

  107. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 22, 2022 7:38 pm

    “Even eeb seems to have given up on that line”

    eeb…??

  108. March 22, 2022 7:48 pm

    And while on the subject of correct usage – there’s “effect” and then there’s “affect”.

  109. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 22, 2022 9:40 pm

    TomR

    Did you read my link? Here part of it again. Your hero Mr Shanks in action

    .In the video, the YouTuber placed toys depicting the Nintendo character Mario throughout the house, including in one of the beds.

    β€œWaking up with Mario in the bed – that’s a scene from β€˜The Godfather’,” Mr Barilaro told the court.””””””

    The guy was stalking the Coalition Minister. How would you like being stalked??

  110. Tom R permalink
    March 22, 2022 10:14 pm

    But keep defending the indefensible

    I’m not defending anything. I’m simply asking you to show something to support your, and the rabid medias, assertions. Something that is not hearsay from a political player.

    Mr Barilaro told the court.

    Mr Ashley Madison himself, or, should I say ‘JOHNLOVESTOLICK’ (yes,the actual username of the Ashley Madison account linked to Bruz’s old email address)

    That’s just golden lol

  111. March 22, 2022 10:18 pm

    Is this an example of “bullying”? Or is “bullying” gender specific?

    tells Ward to quit or face expulsion from Parliament after sexual assault charges

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/perrottet-tells-ward-to-quit-or-face-expulsion-from-parliament-after-sexual-assault-charges-20220322-p5a6w2.html

    Where is the “due process”? Do reactions of this type vary according to Party of origin? Is the Premier’s ‘over-the-top’ call grounded in the fact that Kiama is now a ‘safe’ seat? Is this an example of Liberal factional bullying in action? Why isn’t Labor defending the Premier? Why isn’t Labor condemning the Premier?

    Where is Albo in all this? After all, he is from NSW. Missing in action – again!

    So many avenues for investigation. And that’s a fact! (Useless and irrelevant as most facts are.)

  112. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 22, 2022 10:24 pm

    I get it TomR. What i do not get are you talking to me or Tom??

    Stalking is OK according to you. Your Youtube clip is just stalking

    And what has Ashley Madison got to do with anything?? So he left his wife?? So the guy is a scumbag?? So what??

    .In the video, the YouTuber placed toys depicting the Nintendo character Mario throughout the house, including in one of the beds.

    β€œWaking up with Mario in the bed – that’s a scene from β€˜The Godfather’,” Mr Barilaro told the court.””””””

    How would you like to wake up with a toy on your bed left by Shanks??

  113. March 22, 2022 11:01 pm

    Greek democracy was somewhat participatory . Nowadays, Western democracy is representative .

    Yet we have the technology to make it (much more) participatory once again.

    Might be worth a try because the current arrangements leave much to be desired.

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2022 6:43 am

    I mean really Tom R.
    You’re calling it hearsay! Hilarious! The woman is dead! How can it be anything other than hearsay?
    That’s absolutely stupidly hilarious!

  115. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2022 9:08 am

    How would you like to wake up with a toy on your bed left by Shanks??

    That’s a little personal, isn’t it πŸ˜‰

    But, to be clear, it was left in bed and breakfast. The cleaners would have found it. It wasn’t in JOHNLOVESTOLICK’s actual bed. I don’t think even friendlies would want to go near the actual bed of someone with an account linked to their email with the name JOHNLOVESTOLICK

    How can it be anything other than hearsay?

    Because, unlike a similar case, there is no documentary evidence of what these people (who have a very obvious political angle) are saying. And that is not from a lack of opportunity or due process. It is probably from a lack of … bullying.

    As a few articles have mentioned, playing the game hard is not bullying, it is simply playing it hard. And she has been shown that she could give as good as anyone can.

    But hey, remain in the gutter and keep slurring, it’s all you have.

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2022 9:42 am

    Behaviour that isn’t reasonable is bullying. The “silent treatment” is bullying. Making careless or inconsiderate comments is bullying.
    We know all of that occurred.
    Aren’t you ashamed of defending a clear case of bullying?

  117. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2022 9:56 am

    The β€œsilent treatment” is bullying.

    …………

    We know all of that occurred.

    Yes, she leaked private party stuff, so they didn’t tell her any more. That’s not ‘the silent treatment’, that’s just common sense

    Aren’t you ashamed of defending a clear case of bullying?

    Aren’t you ashamed of calling evryday politics bullying?
    Especially after remaining silent about the clear cases of bullying from the libs, especially towards Holgate, who basically got bullied out of her job, by the prim minister, from cowards castle.
    Or reynolds, who also is playing your empty line, who actually called a (alleged) rape victim a ‘lying cow’

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2022 10:10 am

    More stupid hilarity.
    I specifically criticized the government about Christine Holgate, in many occasions and my criticism was at least as harsh as I’m directing to you.
    So you’re either senile or a complete bullsh!t artist and apologist for bullies.
    Meanwhile, you continue to excuse behaviour that clearly meets the definition of bullying because it’s a tough game.
    Bullying is therefore excused in –
    * a tough competitive job
    * an industry with a historical culture of such behaviour
    Good for you! A senile bullsh!t artist and s hypocrite

  119. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2022 10:23 am

    “Meanwhile, you continue to excuse behaviour that clearly meets the definition of bullying politics because it’s a tough game.”

    fixed it πŸ˜‰

    Because, if it had met the definition of bullying, then, being the kind of political player she was, she would have used the substantial opportunities available to her to raise it with someone.

    But, she didn’t. ergo, one can only deduce that these rancid slurs are just …. rancid slurs

  120. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2022 10:33 am

    Luckily for us, the voting public don’t appear as stupid as yomm.

    Or is it ‘as partisan’

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2022 10:44 am

    Hilarious!
    Now we have the excuse that people that haven’t specifically made a complaint aren’t the victim of bullying!
    An apologist for workplace bullying (as long as it is the ALP that does the bullying)

  122. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2022 10:59 am

    Now we have the excuse that people that haven’t specifically made a complaint aren’t the victim of bullying

    I’m reading this in all sorts of different speeds, and it still sounds as stupid at any speed

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    March 23, 2022 11:18 am

    Making careless or inconsiderate comments is bullying.

    Sounds like a few commenters here.

  124. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2022 11:40 am

    Yes, it’s one of your ridiculous excuses- saying because there isn’t a record of a complaint, it didn’t happen

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    March 23, 2022 11:55 am

    … one of your ridiculous excuses

    Bully! πŸ˜–

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2022 12:17 pm

    Tom R could say-
    * The behaviour was unacceptable
    * It should not happen in any workplace
    * The ALP should set higher standards for itself
    …no, Tom R says-
    * It’s a tough game, so it’s fine

  127. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2022 12:23 pm

    …no, Tom R says-

    β€œFact check on aisle yomm please eeb.”

    Oh, and JOHNLOVESTOLICK πŸ™‚

  128. March 23, 2022 12:26 pm

    You’re the one that’s getting all hysterical YoM.

    To be frank, I haven’t seen anyone ‘defend’ the bullying.

    All I’ve seen so far is you and others (with a vested interest and political bias) attempting to make the connection that somehow the reason this individual is dead is because of bullying at the hands of the Labor party.

    Which is a very long bow indeed even by your ‘standards’.

    Anyone would be mistaken for thinking she’d actually killed herself the way you’re carrying on.

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2022 12:32 pm

    You’ll have to show where I’ve suggested that her death was due to the bullying. Otherwise you’re inventing bullsh!t too.
    The legal definition of bullying states that it may result in a risk to health. How is it possible to identify any further adverse reaction or risk?
    Welcome to the defenders of bullying brigade

  130. March 23, 2022 12:52 pm

    “You’ll have to show where I’ve suggested that her death was due to the bullying”

    Exhibit A:

    “The legal definition of bullying states that it may result in a risk to health. “

    πŸ™„

    Clean up on aisle three !

  131. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2022 1:41 pm

    Ah, it’s becoming clear why the media, and other clueless right wing sympathisers, are running an unsubstantiated smear campaign so hard.

    “There’s a fox among the chickens
    And a killer in the hounds”
    (The Prisoner pt2)

  132. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2022 1:59 pm

    Are you suggesting that the various ALP and union figures that have said her treatment by her colleagues took its toll on her health, aren’t telling the truth?
    Keep digging
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  133. Hart Hell Thee Dye It`Teabag permalink
    March 23, 2022 2:15 pm

    Just another episode of team dishwater self imploding as they head towards an election. Without them team teabag would never get over the line. The dumping of the local brown quota girl in preference to the celebrity white quota girl won’t be a bad decision either. Thank dog blib stooten won’t lower their numbers.`

  134. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2022 2:21 pm

    Are you suggesting that the various ALP and union figures that have said her treatment by her colleagues took its toll on her health, aren’t telling the truth?

    No. But then, I know one in particular didn’t blame anyone either, it was the job. If that’s an issue, change politics.

    And while you are at it, change any number of jobs that have high stress levels

  135. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2022 2:45 pm

    And stress related to –
    *being ostracised and
    * ill considered and objectionable comments
    …meets the legal definition of bullying

  136. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2022 3:27 pm

    …meets the legal definition of bullying

    ostracised??
    ill considered and objectionable comments??

    You know when you go ‘technically, by the narrow definition it ‘might’ constitute, you’re scrapping the bottom of the barrel
    And then when you use events that ‘may’ have occurred (if you believe partisan players) to even get that far

    Yea, that’s a paper thin argument you are running there yomm More want than reason

  137. March 23, 2022 3:38 pm

    “Yea, that’s a paper thin argument you are running there yomm More want than reason”

    It’s a familiar refrain. πŸ™„

    YoM strolls in…

    “Labor are terrible because of XYZ…..!!!”

    “Have you get any evidence of XYZ…?”

    “Why are you all defending XYZ…??!!”

    πŸ™„ πŸ™„ πŸ™„ πŸ™„ πŸ™„ πŸ™„ πŸ™„ πŸ™„ πŸ™„ πŸ™„ πŸ™„ πŸ™„

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2022 3:53 pm

    You two really don’t know much about this stuff. Perhaps stick to things you know more about. Like… no, I can’t think of a subject you know anything about

  139. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2022 3:54 pm

    β€œWhy are you all defending XYZ…??!!”

    yommLIKESTOSLUR

  140. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2022 3:58 pm

    You two really don’t know much about this stuff.

    “Tell me more, tell me more ……”

    You obnoxious dipstick.

  141. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 23, 2022 4:02 pm

    But, to be clear, it was left in bed and breakfast. The cleaners would have found it.

    How do you know the cleaners would have found it?? As usual you are making stuff up.

    In the video, the YouTuber placed toys depicting the Nintendo character Mario throughout the house, including in one of the beds.

    This is what you and Jordies call journalism.

  142. March 23, 2022 4:02 pm

    Can’t recall YoM condemning these outrageous slurs either …

    Funny that…

    Could it be, because he’s just a tiresome old partisan hack…..?

    Why yes, I think it could….

    pic.twitter.com/1Gxauh2LI3— ⭐️Daisy – Truth Teller ⭐️ (@LnpTruthLibrary) March 23, 2022

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  143. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2022 4:12 pm

    It’s clear that you know zero about this
    That’s because you’re an apologist for the ALP/union “whatever it takes” culture. This is a culture built on subjugating the will individual to the interests of the collective.
    Put downs, ill considered comments, isolating the individual are the typical ALP/union tactics. The ALP notices this as much as a fish notices water.
    And you don’t even bother to try to understand or acknowledge the standard of evidence that applies in hearings about such matters
    Keep digging

  144. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2022 4:15 pm

    How do you know the cleaners would have found it?

    I’m certain you haven’t seen the video, or the luxury residence that is rented as a bnb in the bush miles from where Bruz actually resides. This is how I know. When you have, get back to me πŸ˜‰

    Can’t recall YoM condemning these outrageous slurs either …

    I couldn’t either, but that probably because they’re easy to forget

  145. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2022 4:17 pm

    And you don’t even bother to try to understand or acknowledge the standard of evidence that applies in hearings about such matters

    She attended meetings, forced on them because of what goes on in the Liberal party (and, I’m sure, all parties), and nothing was raised there.

    Perhaps she didn’t understand either.It’s a shame you weren’t on hand to mansplain it for her

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2022 4:19 pm

    Tom R has already proved to be a senile bulls**t artist, with his comment about Christine Holgate.
    Keep digging!
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  147. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 23, 2022 4:24 pm

    I’m certain you haven’t seen the video, or the luxury residence that is
    rented as a bnb in the bush miles from where Bruz actually resides.

    So you are assuming. Even if true so what?? And what was Jordies doing in a BNB in the bush??

    What sort of sicko would leave toys throughout the house?? The sort of sicko you support. I guess you do the same thing. Leave threatening things against people you are stalking

    β€œWaking up with Mario in the bed – that’s a scene from β€˜The Godfather’,” Mr Barilaro told the court.””””””

  148. March 23, 2022 4:41 pm

    “Keep digging!”

    I’m still not even sure what the hell you’re on about..*

    On behalf of ‘eeb’ and myself, all we’ve seen is you work yourself up into a lather about some allegations of bullying which so far just seem to be little more than scuttlebutt.

    But you know, knock yourself out..

    * A regular occurrence.

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2022 4:45 pm

    It’s your blog, and therefore it is entirely within your rights that you post as many ill informed comments as you wish

  150. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2022 4:49 pm

    with his comment about Christine Holgate.M

    Yea, where you tried to blame it on Labor for raising the issue in the first place. Labor didn’t do anything except ask to explain, morrison was the one that ran her out. And we now know why. Smokescreen

    So your brave defense of holgate as to try and blame it on Labor, who had nothing to with it. Yep, just a partisan hack

    And what was Jordies doing in a BNB in the bush??

    lol. What does anyone do in a BNB in the bush
    And then you followed up with ‘threatening toys’ ROFL

    (fyi, apart from rooting around, he also exposed more of the ex mps corruption, with the perfect backdrop)

  151. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 23, 2022 4:58 pm

    lol. What does anyone do in a BNB in the bush

    I do not know. Perhaps you could tell me?

    It is my opinion that Jordies was stalking a Coalition MP. Something he would never do if the guy was a Labor MP.

    Lots of Labor MPs are rooting around.

    Jordies is a smartass.

    No wonder you like him because you are just the same

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2022 6:31 pm

    I think you’ll find that I didn’t excuse anyone involved in the Christine Holgate debacle.
    I specifically recall being critical of the government for recruiting a dynamic woman from the private sector, to bring in some private sector innovation, and then undermining/dismissing her for introducing private sector style innovation
    Keep digging

  153. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 23, 2022 6:49 pm

    BREAKING: Josh Frydenberg launches bold new "honesty is the best policy" election campaign.#auspol #ausvotes #CallTheElectionDickhead pic.twitter.com/rUfbUlz3PR— Oh dear god not this again… (@GutterTwits) March 23, 2022

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  154. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 23, 2022 7:20 pm

    Bullying! Where’s YoM’s condemnation…….???

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  155. TB Queensland permalink
    March 23, 2022 7:42 pm

    And political enablers!

    β€œPoliticians need to accept that criticism is part of political life … you don’t get to withhold services from people because they have a different political view to you.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/23/sales-of-anti-pm-stickers-surge-after-council-threatens-rubbish-services

    The LIberal Party is not even liberal … it should be re-named the Hypocrite Party!

  156. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2022 7:43 pm

    Who did she say it about?

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    March 23, 2022 7:50 pm

    My dear, Oh! My God! Lord ToM are you simply ignoring the photo above this comment:

    Are you suggesting that the various ALP and union figures that have said her treatment by her colleagues took its toll on her health, aren’t telling the truth?
    Keep digging
    and you find that funny?

    Or has the last boring three days been all about you?

    And stress related to –
    *being ostracised and
    * ill considered and objectionable comments
    …meets the legal definition of bullying

    Are you personally influenced by this story?

    And before you start attack, I have, as a manager, been involved in three cases of sexual harassment . All with very different outcomes …

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    March 23, 2022 7:54 pm

    Like… no, I can’t think of a subject you know anything about

    Why are crown peerage so fucking arrogantly dumb?

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    March 23, 2022 8:05 pm

    That’s because you’re an apologist for the ALP/union β€œwhatever it takes” culture. This is a culture built on subjugating the will individual to the interests of the collective.

    The collective? WTF … so you kow-tow to the authoritarian reign of the Liberal wannabe Fuhrer? See how silly you sound? This is Australia we bow to no-one … if any political figure is trying to subjugate anyone look to Peter Dutton and his enablers … are you a fan?

    IT IS A DEMOCRACY … unions are formed by all like minded groups … WTF do you think the Chamber of Commerce is? Or the MTIA or … whatever businesses have their own unions they just call ’em associations (or chambers – a la lodges and brother hoods)

    You blind bias makes you sound dumb but I know your not … give you politicking a break and think of your peasants a go for a change! Give the people ago …

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    March 23, 2022 8:09 pm

    It’s your blog, and therefore it is entirely within your rights that you post as many ill informed comments as you wish

    You arrogant prick, alright! Typical Lord of the Realm … or the occasional archbishop! LOL!

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  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2022 8:46 pm

    Maybe you can clarify, TB.
    Was any of that relevant to anything I’ve said?

  162. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2022 9:49 pm

    Was any of that relevant to anything I’ve said?</i?

    Was anything you said relevant to reality?

  163. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2022 10:11 pm

    Bruz infernal

  164. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 23, 2022 10:17 pm

    Keep digging
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  165. Tom R permalink
    March 23, 2022 10:26 pm

    Keep digging

    Says the one who has based an entire argument on hearsay and assumptions

  166. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2022 8:10 am

    Hearsay!! You’ve already proved that’s stupid. Keep digging.
    * Kitching told Richard Marked
    * Complained to a workplace trainer
    * Complained to her colleagues
    * Felt she was excluded from various
    …but the ABC is inventing it!!
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-17/kitching-disclosed-bullying-complaint-senate-labor/100915602

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2022 8:11 am

    Marles

  168. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2022 9:08 am

    This is the weakest and most pathetic excuse I can recall-
    Labor deputy leader Richard Marles has rejected calls for an inquiry into the pressure placed on Kimberley Kitching in the months before she died by saying she never made a formal complaint to him about bullying and did not ask him to take action on her behalf.
    In any decent organisation, a leader that was aware of potential bullying and took no action would be regarded as negligent.
    Regardless of a complaint, corrective action is required to ensure the protection of the organisation and the employee.
    Hopeless.
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/marles-says-no-complaint-made-no-call-for-action-from-kitching-20220323-p5a7bc.html

  169. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 9:19 am

    I’m not sure if you understand who is doing the digging here yomm?

    I also see that reynolds has already been exposed for lying about what she alleged a dead person said. These are yor mates remember yomm. The one who called a victim a ‘lying cow’ turned out to be a lying … person herself. And using a dead person as a tool to smear.

    Just like someone around here is too ..

  170. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 9:31 am

    Regardless of a complaint, corrective action is required to ensure the protection of the organisation and the employee.

    😯

  171. March 24, 2022 9:42 am

    Yes every fifth columnist should be lauded loud and long and never ostracized!

    What political planet was she on? A case of Alice in Wonderland ?

  172. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2022 10:03 am

    The key responsibility of a leader is to address issues regarding workplace culture, including suggestions, rumours, concerns about bullying
    Leaders know that some issues are frivolous, or the employee has their sensitivity meter set to extreme, or that they annoy their colleagues.
    None of that absolves them from their responsibility. Their role is to take steps to protect the organisation and the employee.
    Anyone with a union or leadership background understands that

  173. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 10:25 am

    including suggestions, rumours, concerns about bullying

    But you need these concerns voiced to you to take action. Nobody (except allegedly ‘close friends’ were told).

    In fact, kk prided herself on her ‘toughness’.

  174. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2022 10:38 am

    Richard Marles was told. He’s deputy leader.
    Once a leader is aware of a risk, they are negligent if they ignore it. It doesn’t require a formal complaint, but there has to be an action to address the issue.
    That’s how competent leadership works.

  175. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 10:39 am

    Richard Marles was told.

    Where is the link for that? I must have missed it

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2022 10:53 am

    The ALP and others should note-
    As claims of bullying within Labor dominate headlines, a leading workplace relations expert says if misbehaviour in any workplace reaches the point of requiring a formal complaint, it indicates something has gone wrong in the organisation.
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/bullying-best-dealt-with-before-formal-complaint-workplace-expert-20220321-p5a6iq.html

  177. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 10:55 am

    “if misbehaviour in any workplace reaches the point of requiring a formal complaint, it indicates something has gone wrong in the organisation.”

    There was no formal complaint? There wasn’t even an informal complaint from what I’ve heard?

    There are allegations and slurs of whining in the background, but, that is all

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    March 24, 2022 11:36 am

    The ALP and others should note-

    This other notes where you got your information from — and I see now why you rarely provide lynx … the source is usually extremely biased … anyone would think an election is due somewhere …

    Memories of Kill Bill spring to mind … and we ended up with Grotty Scotty from Marketing … even that was a fkn failure … not again I pray …

  179. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 11:49 am

    lols

    15 years is a short time

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    March 24, 2022 12:40 pm

    Will Grotty take over the church now? … I’d be happy if he buggered that up too, like everything else he’s touched damaged …

  181. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 12:43 pm

    I’d be happy if he buggered that up too

    The least they deserve is to have him back

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2022 1:51 pm

    And Marles isn’t denying knowledge of the letter Kitching drafted detailing her treatment.
    Any decent leader would have acted

  183. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 2:03 pm

    And Marles isn’t denying knowledge of the letter Kitching drafted detailing her treatment.

    facepalm. Or, should I say, LINQUE?

  184. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 2:06 pm

  185. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 24, 2022 2:08 pm

    “Any decent leader would have acted”

    Steady on. Thuggery and bastardry are at the heart of ALP infighting. Only soft-cocks complain about bullying. Kitching needs to harden up!

  186. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 24, 2022 2:12 pm

    There is about as much chance of an inquiry as there is of the Mongrel Milligan rounding up a posse of her feminazi friends to go after the Cantankerous Cabal. They only ever do conservatives and are incapable of telling the truth about anything.

    If you think the ALP is against bullying you’ve got the Wong party.

  187. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2022 2:26 pm

    It’s clear that Marles was aware of Kitching’s-
    * Painful experience at the hands of her colleagues
    * Going to the trouble of writing about her treatment
    But Marles defaults to the using an excuse that there was no official complaint. That’s the definition of poor leadership

  188. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 2:37 pm

    It’s clear that Marles was aware of Kitching’s-

    Because of …. things you can’t produce ROFL

  189. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 24, 2022 3:08 pm

    I’m pretty sure Albo got his rocks off watching the ALP sisterhood go at it. More fun than going to his local Chinese brothel to watch an afternoon of jelly-wrestling!

  190. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2022 4:42 pm

    Marles declined to say whether or not he had seen the letter.

  191. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 4:47 pm

    Marles declined to say whether or not he had seen the letter.

    LINQUE

  192. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2022 5:12 pm

    Why bother? Any link from The Age is dismissed as Liberal propaganda.
    Similarly, the ABC apparently can’t be relied on.
    News Ltd is absolutely shunned.
    There’s simply no point in providing links to you

  193. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 5:21 pm

    There’s simply no point in providing links to you

    Well, actually, it’s usually because when we READ the links, we find they are wishy washy statements that don’t always reflect what you are saying

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/morning-shows/what-are-you-afraid-of-albo-grilled-on-mean-girls-claim/news-story/031c0da78e96a5990e42a326ad49a509

  194. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2022 6:04 pm

    Nope, you just dismiss links from that above sites, so it’s pointless providing them

  195. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 7:12 pm

    β€œBut given all that has been said, let me let me say this. At no point did Kimberly make a bullying complaint to me.

    β€œAt no point did she asked me to take action.

    β€œShe was obviously unhappy about the Senate tactics committee. She never made a bullying complaint to me. She never sought for me to act, and I canβ€˜t be clearer than that.”

    It’s pretty cut and dried isn’t it.

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    March 24, 2022 7:13 pm

    … facepalm. Or, should I say, LINQUE?

    TR, time to ignore it and concentrate on Grotty … look over there should now be … look over hear the lord!

  197. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 7:15 pm

    and concentrate on Grotty

    You mean the rort kings?

    https://www.abc.net.au/7.30/questions-raised-about-the-integrity-of-carbon/13809550

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    March 24, 2022 7:16 pm

    Why bother? Any link from The Age is dismissed as Liberal propaganda.

    Because it is! FFS … even Mordock’s son walked away from his lies! Rupert is the Vladimir of news …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/24/disappointed-and-shocked-pm-distances-himself-from-hillsong-pastor-brian-houston

  199. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 7:18 pm

    Fantastic. Great Move. Well Done Angus

    analysts say a plunge in the price of credits, triggered by a contentious change by the emissions reduction minister Angus Taylor, could last for years.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/24/australias-carbon-credit-scheme-could-take-years-to-recover-from-price-plunge-analysts-say?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

  200. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 7:28 pm

    Because it is!

    Pretty sure he means the one run by costello, you know, the ex liberal Treasurer, not news, run by murdoch, who basically runs the lnp

    BUT, even then, any links there re simply exposed through their lack of detail, it’s easy, they are full of rumours, innuendo, but no actual facts

    That’s why yomm likes to just make grandiose statements, and then run and hide from them

    He knows he’s full of shit, but he’s too deep now to dig his way back out

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    March 24, 2022 7:30 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/24/ben-roberts-smith-trial-woman-who-had-affair-said-she-feared-for-safety-of-family

    Now I think any permanent commenters here know that I tend to hold judgement on any court cases in the news – this is no different …

    … but let me point out something in the Roberts-Smith case … RS was a corporal, (two hooks on his sleeve) two up from a trooper (private, to you lot) … Hastie was a Captain … ten ranks above a trooper … how did RS have so much influence?

    What were all the senior NCO’s (sergeants, warrant officers), junior officers (to captain rank) and senior officers doing through all this? And indeed senior officers …

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    March 24, 2022 7:33 pm

    Pretty sure he means the one run by costello

    Mmmm … toilet paper supply* … ta TR …

    Apologies to toylet whereever he’s hiding! πŸ˜‹

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    March 24, 2022 7:35 pm

    He knows he’s full of shit, but he’s too deep now to dig his way back out

    The lord giveth and the lord taketh away … need a liiiiinque? Its another BS rag BTW …

  204. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2022 7:38 pm

    Yes.
    TB’s comment shows exactly why it’s no use providing links.
    TB & Tom R dismiss any opinion or report that isn’t from one of their preferred sites.

  205. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 24, 2022 7:40 pm

    “That’s why yomm likes to just make grandiose statements, and then run and hide from them.

    He knows he’s full of shit, but he’s too deep now to dig his way back out.”

    Yep. It’s a familiar pattern. Basically trolling.

  206. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2022 8:38 pm

    Basically trolling.
    Well, you people must be incredibly dull to fall for it every day after about 16 years of it

  207. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 9:29 pm

    yep, just replace the name with ‘yomm’, and you get the message πŸ˜‰

  208. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2022 9:47 pm

    Don’t blame me for you being so f*cking stupid that you’re manipulated into exchanging views with a “troll” every day for 16 years.
    How f”cking stupid are you?

  209. Tom R permalink
    March 24, 2022 10:11 pm

    So this is how it ends. yomm admitting he’s been using somebodies death to simply ‘troll’ people.

  210. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 24, 2022 10:28 pm

    “Well, you people must be incredibly dull to fall for it every day after about 16 years of it”

    “Dull” or just tolerant and accepting, in much the same way we are with Neil.

  211. March 24, 2022 10:31 pm

    So it’s now ‘risk free’ to allow refugees in Australia to re-settle in New Zealand. And only after 9 years of negotiation. Hilarious! (But scandalous.)

  212. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2022 10:36 pm

    Just dull.
    fool me once, shame on you;
    fool me twice, shame on me
    fool me 5 or 10,000 times over 16 years…you’re a complete f*cking idiot

  213. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 24, 2022 10:49 pm

    “you’re a complete f*cking idiot”

    That’s nice.

  214. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 24, 2022 10:51 pm

    “Hilarious! (But scandalous.)”

    Indeed. And the plot thickens with Jaquie “I haven’t had any work done” Lambie claiming that Scovid threatened to throw her in jail if she revealed anything about the terms of the deal.

  215. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 24, 2022 10:55 pm

    It’s known as the corollary. If we accept your statement- “Basically trolling.”…then you’d have to be a complete f*cking idiot to exchange opinions with me 5 or 10,000 times over 16 years.
    I’m satisfied with your proposition, because it proved mine

  216. March 24, 2022 11:02 pm

    Is Lambie claiming that she was bullied? If not, then why not?

    She seems to have a case.

  217. Tom R permalink
    March 25, 2022 9:05 am

    She seems to have a case.

    I mean, not letting someone onto a Committee who has been busted leaking party matters to the other party is obviously bullying, but threatening someone with jail for backing out on a deal, completely normal??

    I mean, is that even possible, or is lambie just really ignorant?

    because it proved mine

    That you are a self confessed Troll, who used somebodies death to continue with your depraved activities?

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10888878/

  218. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2022 9:54 am

    Hmmmm….would you prefer to be a troll or someone that is so f*cking stupid that they get manipulated into having exchanges with a troll for 16 years?

  219. March 25, 2022 9:59 am

    In the matter of the loudly mourned and lately maligned Kimberley Kitching, we do not know exactly what is alleged to have happened to her. Bullying in itself is not a specific allegation.

    If there had ever been a real complaint, it would have had to include innumerable boring details of times, places, devastating events.

    I know because I had to do it myself. If Kitching had made a formal complaint about bullying while alive there would have been an internal investigation, because Labor has processes in place to make that happen. I know because I’ve written about those very processes, and about the lack of those processes available to women in the Coalition.

    Let me remind you we are still waiting for the results of an investigation into what happened to Julia Banks during her end days as a Liberal politician. That was some time last decade.

    I do know what bullying is not. It is not being dumped from the tactics committee of the Labor Party for the crime of leaking to the government. That’s the most detailed thing I know about what happened to Kimberley Kitching.

    It’s widely believed she leaked to both the government and to Murdoch papers with a regularity reserved for taps. Of course she would be booted off the tactics committee.

    We know that the Senate leadership team of Penny Wong, Kristina Keneally and Katy Gallagher ditched her for that disloyalty. That, my friends, is experiencing the consequences of your actions. Kimberley Kitching might not have liked that (it cut off her access to information which she wielded as power) but it is not bullying.

    Let me draw your attention to what the Fair Work Commission describes as bullying. Among other things, bullying is when a person or a group of people behaves unreasonably towards a worker. Behaves unreasonably.

    It would never be unreasonable to dump a worker who sabotaged your company, for example, an analogy not too far from the doorstep of someone who leaked against the ALP and was meant to be a loyal member. Managers need to be able to give feedback, says the FWC.

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7671751/mean-girls-i-just-dont-buy-it/?cs=14264

  220. March 25, 2022 10:00 am

    “Would you prefer to be a troll or someone that is so f*cking stupid that they get manipulated into having exchanges with a troll for 16 years?”

    The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

    In fact, you could be one and the same person.

  221. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2022 10:10 am

    Wrong.
    Of course a company can take action against an employee that is sabotaging a company.
    If it wants to avoid a bullying allegation it applies a dismissal or disciplinary process. Case history has established that against an individual that does not follow a process is “not reasonable management action” and is therefore bullying.
    Keep digging

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2022 11:21 am

    16 years and nothing’s new … πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ€£πŸ€£πŸ€£πŸ˜…πŸ˜…πŸ˜…

  223. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2022 11:22 am

    Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2022 10:10 am

    Link please with examples …

  224. Tom R permalink
    March 25, 2022 11:22 am

    Case history has established that against an individual that does not follow a process

    So, self confessed Troll, what ‘process’ was not followed?

    Keep Trolling πŸ˜‰

  225. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2022 11:46 am

    Do some research on “reasonable management action”
    And certainly someone who is an expert in feminist activism isn’t necessarily an expert in employment law.
    The article ignored the requirement for “reasonable management action”
    If a leader or company is to avoid bullying, the action taken (in dismissing or disciplining an individual) must-
    * Be part of a defined process and policy
    * Be transparent
    * Provide the individual with the right of reply
    * Allow the individual access to specialist advice and offer to have an impartial witness present
    None of this appears to have occurred with respect to the treatment of Kimberly Kitching.
    Action that has been found to be bullying includes-
    * reassigning work and roster without discussion
    and explanation,
    * informal, ad hoc or angry feedback about work performance,
    * neglecting to provide the right of reply before the imposition of action.
    The article ignores the very basics, and is written by someone with no idea. But that’s the level of expertise used by the ALP cheer club in this discussion

  226. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2022 11:56 am

    None of this appears to have occurred with respect to the treatment of Kimberly Kitching.

    But this was not a management/employee arrangement … they were in fact all equal in status … and all quite used to the established political practice of majority votes …

    And we all know that Federal Parliament is certainly not a workplace* and its politicians are not employees … as opposed to political staffers and public servants …

    *sarc alert

  227. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2022 12:09 pm

    All equal status?
    The ALP leader of the senate is equal to a single senator? The person who allocates speaking time and parliamentary questions is equal to the person that receives the instructions from them
    Do you think the authority that sets the standards and regulations for workplace behaviour should observe them?
    Do you think the party that purports to support women and workers should observe the standards they set for others?

  228. Tom R permalink
    March 25, 2022 12:09 pm

    is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Perhaps you can be specific on actuals?

    16 years and nothing’s new

  229. Tom R permalink
    March 25, 2022 12:16 pm

    Be part of a defined process and policy

    From eebs LINQUE

    “If Kitching had made a formal complaint about bullying while alive there would have been an internal investigation, because Labor has processes in place to make that happen.”

  230. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2022 12:27 pm

    Hilarious!! Bullying doesn’t happen in the ALP unless the individual complains, particularly a dead one

  231. Tom R permalink
    March 25, 2022 12:32 pm

    yoll continues to use a dead person to Troll

    Meanwhile, yolls favourite rorters are giving multi million taxpayer dollars to multi million dollar donors

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/25/coalition-went-directly-to-liberal-donor-whitehaven-to-purchase-coal-for-ukraine?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

  232. Tom R permalink
    March 25, 2022 12:35 pm

    Labor to assist yoll (I didn’t have that on my bingo card)

    Although, if you read the legislation, it’s got bugger all to do with stopping yolls, and everything about silencing DISSENT

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2022 12:37 pm

    I’ve decided it’s far better to be known as a troll than to be known as the absolute f*ckwit who spends 16 years replying

  234. March 25, 2022 1:08 pm

    “I’ve decided it’s far better to be known as a troll than to be known as the absolute f*ckwit who spends 16 years replying”

    Don’t be too hard on yourself, especially when you’ve spent the last 16 years being both.

  235. Tom R permalink
    March 25, 2022 1:16 pm

    lol eeb

    It’s been .. ‘interesting’ watching is ‘Descent into the Maeltstyomm’

  236. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2022 1:31 pm

    Too late.
    The label was issued without qualification, it’s no use trying to correct it or catch up.
    Some of us are “trolls” the others are the dills that feel compelled to reply.
    Congratulations, you’re the latter.

  237. March 25, 2022 2:36 pm

    In that case I think you’ve just confirmed that you are in fact a troll.

    So why not just fuck off then?

  238. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 25, 2022 2:43 pm

    Politics is a contact sport. It’s all part of the game. Kitching needs to harden up.

  239. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2022 3:07 pm

    Why would I do that when you dull types are compelled to reply?

  240. March 25, 2022 3:13 pm

    Just called Luxury Escapes and the message says “All of our operators are busy, please hold….”

    “You are the four hundred and forty fourth caller in the queue…”

    I shit you not.

  241. March 25, 2022 3:17 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  242. Tom R permalink
    March 25, 2022 4:17 pm

    Aww, that’s nice for jen, maybe they’ll actually do it this time

    I mean, alternatively, the could just implement good social health policy?

    On another note, my wife just got an iron infusion. That has just been removed from the PBS for pension recipients.

    Is it bad that I hope Dear jen starts experiencing Iron deficiency?

  243. Tom R permalink
    March 25, 2022 4:34 pm

  244. March 25, 2022 4:52 pm

    “Kitching needs to harden up.”

    Given that Rigamortis has no doubt well and truly set it, I imagine that goes without saying.

    Too soon….?

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2022 6:06 pm

    yoll continues to use a dead person to Troll

    Necrotrolling has a new, more meaningful meaning

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Kitching needs to harden up. Pardon?

    321 beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

    Why would I do that when you dull types are compelled to reply?

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2022 6:07 pm

    oops back to forwards …

    Why would I do that when you dull types are compelled to reply?

    321 beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

  247. TB Queensland permalink
    March 25, 2022 6:08 pm

    Too soon….?

    Actually, yep … reb … I confess to s similar thought tho …

  248. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 25, 2022 6:25 pm

    To be fair to Yoll, Malcolm Turnbull and Kevin Rudd both thought they were the most intelligent people in the room too.

    And what a couple of useless cunts they turned out to be.

  249. Tom R permalink
    March 25, 2022 10:17 pm

    Those calling Labor hypocrites over factional in-fighting have little interest in the safety of women

    https://www.themonthly.com.au/the-politics/rachel-withers/2022/25/2022/1648183486/tit-tat

    Yep, turns out they’re just yolls

  250. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 25, 2022 10:42 pm

    There’s no need to be sensitive about a lower IQ.
    It’s just one of those statistical things.
    Like… I was born before you, therefore I’m older… I have a higher IQ, therefore I’m smarter.
    It’s just one of those random things in life! Just celebrate averageness!

  251. Tom R permalink
    March 26, 2022 12:20 am

    therefore I’m smarter.

    All those brains, and yet you waste it all looking like a fool defending misogynist bullies by using a dead person as a shield.

    Doesn’t seem too bright to me, but then, what would I know about genius behaviour?

  252. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 26, 2022 7:56 am

    Meanwhile the rich expansionist murderous fascist dictator Putin, thinks Russia is a victim of the cancel culture.
    He’s delusional and unfortunately very dangerous.
    Only those that wish to give cover to his brutality think this is a time to engage with Russian institutions and culture
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-26/putin-accuses-west-of-cancelling-russia/100941616

  253. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 26, 2022 9:19 am

    A stable genius, for that matter.

  254. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 26, 2022 9:50 am

    Obama to Medvedev:

    β€œThis is my last election … After my election I have more flexibility”

    β€œI will transmit this information to Vladimir,” said Medvedev, Putin’s protΓ©gΓ© and long considered number two in Moscow’s power structure.

    Putin, recognising a feckless fool when he saw one, annexed Crimea. Putin took part of Georgia under Bush and now Ukraine under Biden.

    Of course he didn’t make any such moves while Trump was president.

  255. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 26, 2022 9:52 am

    β€œReasonable people adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable people attempt to adapt the world to themselves. All progress, therefore, depends on unreasonable people.”
    George Bernard Shaw

    Sage advice

  256. TB Queensland permalink
    March 26, 2022 10:30 am

    Sage advice

    So are you saying that Putin studied GB Shaw?

    Putin, thinks Russia is a victim of the cancel culture.

    So why is he hell bent on cancelling Ukrainian culture?

  257. TB Queensland permalink
    March 26, 2022 10:32 am

    Of course he didn’t make any such moves while Trump was president.

    Because they’re ma-a-a-a-t-e-s … once Donny became US Supreme Leader like Putin they could rule the world together (or so the deranged idiots thought)

  258. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 26, 2022 11:30 am

    “Because they’re ma-a-a-a-t-e-s”

    Because Trump explained to Putin that if he moved on Ukraine he would have no more pretty domes on his Moscow churches.

    A mate is someone like Obama who made sure to send Ukraine no military aid. Not a mate is someone who actually sent weapons to Ukraine like Trump did.

    The good thing is that the fake news Trump Russia hoax is unravelling and the FBI is starting to charge some of the culprits.

    Meanwhile, after conspiring to pretend that hunter’s laptop from hell was Russian disinformation so Joe could get elected, the fake news media like the New York Times has now admitted that the laptop is in fact Hunter’s.

  259. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 26, 2022 12:21 pm

    It’s possible that having an unpredictable, easily offended narcissist in the Whitehouse was a handbrake on some of the expansionist plans of the fascist Putin.
    *Putin- how will he react if we invade?
    *Advisor- we have no idea
    Rational types can be predicted. Irrational narcissists can’t.
    I’m not sure that’s such a great thing

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    March 26, 2022 1:57 pm

    it is 2022 … isn’t it?

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    March 26, 2022 2:05 pm

    WOW! Well done, Andrew Gee!

    The veterans’ affairs minister, Andrew Gee, has announced he was on the cusp of offering his resignation from government due to being refused adequate funding for his department.

    Gee called a press conference in Orange this morning to reveal he was moments from quitting the frontbench, days out from the budget, before the deputy prime minister, Barnaby Joyce, accepted he would find money for veterans’ compensation payments.

    An emotional Gee said he had asked senior members of the government for $96m to clear a huge backlog of 60,000 unprocessed veterans’ compensation claims within his department. He was told he would only get about a quarter of that money in Tuesday’s federal budget.

    Gee spoke to Joyce this morning:

    “I told him that the media was waiting outside the office, and as a courtesy I was letting him know as my leader that I was going to resign from cabinet.

    That followed quite a bit of activity, and the end result is that the $96m to help process and clear this backlog … is now going to be forthcoming.”

    Disclaimer: I have a personal interest in this story.

  262. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 26, 2022 4:07 pm

    “it is 2022 … isn’t it?

    Yes. It took NYT this long to tell the truth.

  263. March 26, 2022 4:24 pm

    Perhaps the cart is before the horse when it comes government budgeting?

    A government should decide what NEEDS to be done as THE starting point and work backwards from that. After all, we now know that government debts and deficits are politically manageable.

    Take the United States debt as an example – currently a mere $142 trillion or $919 000 per taxpayer.

    https://www.truthinaccounting.org/about/our_national_debt?gclid=Cj0KCQjw0PWRBhDKARIsAPKHFGhZuYQ7lm0f-Ki9OZz3rZIqQ0LJqjL0lQNuKPEJcZ9EtlE40r5EFH0aAoYCEALw_wcB

    Well beyond ‘austerity’?

  264. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 26, 2022 5:35 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  265. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 26, 2022 7:24 pm

    Look over where?

  266. March 26, 2022 10:26 pm

    TB re Gee, according to Morrison, Gee “did not properly understand how requests for funding were made.”

    Possibly true BUT that’s why Ministers are supported by Departments who do understand such matters.

    A number of possibilities flow. First, Gee is telling the truth and Morrison is telling untruths which would be par for the course. Second, Morrison IS telling the truth and Gee’s relationship with his Department is virtually non-existent. Third, Gee takes seriously Morrison’s dictum that Departments are there to merely ‘implement’ decisions and NOT to provide advice.

    Regardless, we are witnessing unrivalled incompetence. But that doesn’t mean a re-election is off the table. Such is the weakness of democratic governments.

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    March 27, 2022 9:51 am

    Deep, MN … as long as the vets get a fair shake for a change …

  268. Tom R permalink
    March 28, 2022 10:20 am

    Regardless, we are witnessing unrivalled incompetence.

    I mean, it could all be true (except morrison telling the truth, that just cannot happen)

    They think they dictate to Departments, rather than listening and learning from them. They also have no relationship past the dictatorial phase, so they really don’t know what happens once they dictate.

    All they are interested is getting taxpayer monies into their or their mates pockets. And protecting the guilty.

    https://www.theklaxon.com.au/home/anglican-child-sex-payouts-hit-taxpayers

  269. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 28, 2022 11:21 am

    Does MN still think a quick Russian victory is the preferred outcome for Putin’s fascist expansionism?

  270. Tom R permalink
    March 28, 2022 11:26 am

    yoll trolling again

  271. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 28, 2022 11:46 am

    Yes, apparently reasonable questions about someone’s comments are trolling.
    That’s such a typically on the ball comment

  272. Tom R permalink
    March 28, 2022 1:10 pm

    Fool me once …………… πŸ˜‰

  273. Tom R permalink
    March 28, 2022 1:45 pm

    Fool me once ……………
    Which brings me to ………..

  274. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 28, 2022 2:21 pm

    It takes an epidemic of insanity to make this hideous idiocy commonplace:

  275. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 28, 2022 2:38 pm

    Apparently…
    * Yanking the chain of left types is trolling
    * Pointing out the weakness (or hypocrisy) of their arguments is trolling
    * Sarcasm towards left types is trolling
    * Expressing a legitimate political perspective is trolling
    * Being direct and unequivocal is trolling
    …just letting everyone know the rules around being a troll according to left types

  276. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 28, 2022 2:58 pm

    Will Smith Rocks:

  277. Tom R permalink
    March 28, 2022 3:29 pm

    Yanking the chain of left types is trolling

    “Don’t blame me for you being so f*cking stupid that you’re manipulated into exchanging views with a β€œtroll” every day for 16 years.
    How f”cking stupid are you?”

    I mean, what else are we supposed to say to you now? ‘cept maybe ‘fuck orf yoll’?

    If that’s for real splats, he punches like a yoll. oh, and he’s a snowflake

  278. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 28, 2022 3:41 pm

    Yes. It all meets the left criteria for “trolling”

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    March 28, 2022 3:49 pm

    Yes. It all meets the left criteria for β€œtrolling”

    Lynque?

  280. Tom R permalink
    March 28, 2022 4:23 pm

    It all me with yor criteria, which admitted to have been doing for some time now

    It does explain yor stupid arguments better though

  281. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 28, 2022 6:25 pm

    β€œDon’t blame me for you being so f*cking stupid that you’re manipulated into exchanging views with a β€œtroll” every day for 16 years.
    How f”cking stupid are you?”

  282. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 28, 2022 6:54 pm

    Yes, so perhaps you should try thinking about the corollary of the insults before dishing them out

  283. ivi permalink
    March 28, 2022 7:03 pm

    (Why?*)

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    March 28, 2022 7:19 pm

    Subtle, ivi … but, Good Lord! Tome (LOL spoonerism!) knows all about grammar* πŸ˜‰

  285. TB Queensland permalink
    March 28, 2022 7:39 pm

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/nsw/2022/03/28/roberts-smith-alternate-universe-mp/

    So Andrew Hastie was a captain? And “suspected” a corporal but did nothing about it … he needs to be charged with dereliction of duty or aiding and abetting war crimes?

    Mr Hastie denied he had been critical of Mr Roberts-Smith to raise his own profile as a parliamentarian or that he had come to court to support the newspaper’s claims because they were giving him financial assistance in another legal matter.

    What a nasty piece of work … seems ALP ministers are all cooked in the same christian bakery … whose running the country again? I always thought it was the corporates … odd … the corporates pay little or no tax … religions pay no tax but they both get taxpayer handouts … jesus fkn christ! The first socialist would be spinning on that cross …

  286. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 28, 2022 7:48 pm

    “perhaps you should try thinking about the corollary of the insults before dishing them out”

    I was thinking about responding and asking for evidence of where I had “dished out insults” but then I’d just be engaging with a Yoll.

    Oh, dammit I’ve done it again… πŸ˜†

  287. Tom R permalink
    March 28, 2022 7:53 pm

  288. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 28, 2022 7:55 pm

    I guess a Troll’s gotta Troll. πŸ˜†

  289. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    March 28, 2022 7:56 pm

    Lol @ Tom R

  290. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 29, 2022 9:41 am

    Apparently this is contentious. There are probably more important things going on.
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTqQn63aIT9zgoRJGrumB3AA1bsk5oC8hJN2Q&usqp=CAU

  291. TB Queensland permalink
    March 29, 2022 10:24 am

    ‘Tis a set up, ToM … I suggest all will be revealed soon …

  292. Tom R permalink
    March 29, 2022 10:36 am

    The weekends BACK BITCHES!

  293. Tom R permalink
    March 29, 2022 2:53 pm

    There truly is nothing they will not rort

    Dutton flood funds flow to unregistered group with links to office

    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/dutton-flood-funds-flow-to-unregistered-group-with-links-to-office-20220325-p5a7xt.html

  294. March 29, 2022 3:35 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  295. March 29, 2022 3:48 pm

    Note to Barrie Cassidy re:

    Two billion dollars of taxpayers money(your money) …

    In Australia, the political system, even with all its warts, is known as a Representative Democracy . Those being represented are known as Australian Citizens .

    In order to vote in Australian elections, one must be a Citizen. One doesn’t have to live in Australia nor does one have to be an Australian taxpayer , effective or otherwise. Putting it another way, taxpaying is not necessary let alone sufficient.

    Residing in Australia, there are many individuals and companies who/which pay taxes but are not entitled to vote. Indeed, the biggest taxpayers in Australia by far do not have this right to vote – sometimes called suffrage, political franchise, or simply franchise, .

    So Barrie when you write about ‘taxpayers money’ followed by your money , to whom are you referring? Are you suggesting that monies paid by individuals and companies to government still belong to those who handed over their dollars under legal obligation? That the $9,270,367,013 paid by the Commonwealth Bank (over three years) is still legally theirs? And the $6,834,252,365 paid by Rio Tinto still legally belongs to the many overseas investors?

    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/top-40-taxpayers/

    Can this hilarious concept of legally paying taxes (as required) but still owning same be extrapolated to include payments made to the butcher, baker and candlestick maker? If not then why not?

    Perhaps it’s no longer taxpayer money after payment but becomes government money ? And can therefore be viewed as Citizens’ money held in trust by government? Note that official documents don’t refer to ‘taxpayers money’ after payment – because legally it’s not. And that’s important in a Nation where the ‘Rule of Law’ is still valued.

    Strange that so many in society prefer to be known as (third rate) taxpayers , (because that’s what they are, even on a good day) rather than first rate Citizens. . And yet still bemoan the dominance neo-liberal ideology. Yes, all Citizens are equal (when it comes to the franchise) but when it comes to taxpaying there is wide disparity.

    Yes Pogo – the enemy is us .

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    March 29, 2022 4:23 pm

    I’ve just spent two days completing a Queensland Building & Construction Commission Dispute Form … AI sucks … and popped in for some quiet relaxing …

    Then read MN and the Taxpayer Poem … again … zzzzzzzzzzzz πŸ˜‹πŸ˜Ž

    Might fill out another form for fun … πŸ€£πŸ˜‚πŸ€£

  297. TB Queensland permalink
    March 29, 2022 4:36 pm

    Just checked my mail box … flyer from Australia Post flogging … wait for it … car insurance … WTF?

  298. Tom R permalink
    March 30, 2022 9:32 am

    So, was Concetta Fierravanti-Wells Bullied out of pre-selection?

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2022 10:25 am

    From the Budget 2022 … d’ja wot!

    War memorials and commemorations

    The budget provides $5m to rebuild the visitors’ pavilion in the Sandakan memorial park, Malaysia; $4.9m to construct a remembrance trail on the Greek island of Lemnos; and $6m for commemorations for the 50th anniversary of the end of Australia’s participation in the Vietnam war.

    $16m … 2/3rd overseas … and almost 6000 maybe more homeless veterans!

    Just what world do politicians live in?

  300. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 30, 2022 11:04 am

    Are you making a case that she was Tom R?

  301. Tom R permalink
    March 30, 2022 11:28 am

    Just what world do politicians live in?

    Well, our dear leader talks in tongues to a sky fairy, so not sure you really want to hear the answer πŸ˜‰

    Are you making a case that she was Tom R?

    There is more evidence of this being the case than the other one, so yea, why not?

    Although, to me, it reeks of a basic hissy fit, but what else would you expect from a self entitled pollie

  302. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 30, 2022 11:28 am

    Bullying is the least of it. The Libs see their main goal in life in enriching lobbyists and other interest groups. The backstabbing and bullying is just a means to a greedy end for these mongrels.

    I’m pretty sure the only reason Keane is Treasurer in NSW is because he is worth more in that position to Photios and the other lobbyist pigs feeding at the trough of Liberal largesse:

    Michael Photios, a long-term party powerbroker who is close to Kean, says Kean has shown “strength and boldness” and has grown into his role as a minister. “Matt Kean is equally charming and disarming,” Photios says of his protege.

    Kean replaced Photios as leader of the moderate faction three years ago. “His actions this week define him as a contemporary leader of the future,” Photios says.

  303. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 30, 2022 11:55 am

    So make the case and I’ll let you know whether I agree

  304. Tom R permalink
    March 30, 2022 12:10 pm

    Case MADE!

  305. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 30, 2022 1:13 pm

    Well, that must settle it (without any thinking or rationale required by Tom R)

  306. Tom R permalink
    March 30, 2022 1:39 pm

    without any thinking or rationale required

    You do understand that this is a higher level of actual proof than you ever put up. Confirmation from the actual people who had direct contact with the ‘alleged’ behaviour.

    So yes, SETTLED! πŸ™‚

  307. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 30, 2022 2:02 pm

    Yes, and as you’re aware, it’s difficult to explain your experience when you’re dead.

  308. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 30, 2022 2:09 pm

    “without any thinking or rationale required by Tom R”

    You’re expecting a bit much there. Just be happy to be in the company of a world-class troll.

  309. Tom R permalink
    March 30, 2022 2:18 pm

    it’s difficult to explain your experience when you’re dead.

    But there were streams of letters, texts, all of these ‘claims’ pushed by our grubmint and their sycophants

    But none of them actually mentioned bullying. Which makes you wonder, was it all made up?

    Unlike this, which has verifiable confirmation

  310. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2022 2:46 pm

    Bullying is the least of it. The Libs see their main goal in life in enriching lobbyists and other interest groups.

    And themselves, splats … not aal get away with it …

    Andrew Laming will need to pay back $10,360, which includes a 25 per cent loading fee after the Independent Parliamentary Expenses Authority audited 30 expenses the MP claimed for his wife, two children and himself in June 2019.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2022/03/30/andrew-laming-expenses/

  311. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 30, 2022 2:55 pm

    Then just set out the case, if it’s do simple.

  312. Tom R permalink
    March 30, 2022 3:23 pm

    Then just set out the case

    Two people, on record, accusing the pm of bullying

    A weak case, yes, but so far superior to the Kitching one, it makes you wonder why they even bothered

    oh, that’s right, cheap smears is all youse got πŸ˜‰

  313. March 30, 2022 3:25 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  314. March 30, 2022 3:26 pm

    “I do what a prime minister does. I front the hard questions every time. I don’t avoid them. I don’t run away.”

  315. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 30, 2022 3:40 pm

    How about you detail the argument.

  316. Tom R permalink
    March 30, 2022 3:42 pm

  317. Tom R permalink
    March 30, 2022 3:43 pm

    How about you detail the argument.

    FOOL ME ONCE!

  318. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2022 3:50 pm

    How about you detail the argument.

    A list of bullet points of random sentences is not a “detailed argument” …

    Evidence of a wrongdoing is … but it needs to be verified ie a reputable lingkt source …

    And that has to be provided by the accuser … in this case you …

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2022 3:59 pm

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison has cancelled a scheduled media appearance just hours before it was due to go ahead.

    Mr Morrison was due to appear on ABC’s 7:30 with Leigh Sales on Wednesday night to sell his pre-election budget to voters.

    But instead the ABC host informed viewers online he had withdrawn and would instead appear on the program next week.

    In a statement, a spokesperson for the Prime Minister’s Office said plans had to be changed due to his commitment to attend the state service for Shane Warne.

    β€œIn order to arrive on time for this evening’s Shane Warne memorial, the Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition need to leave Canberra earlier than originally planned,” they said.

    Mr Morrison and Labor leader Anthony Albanese will travel together to Melbourne on Wednesday afternoon, following the conclusion of Question Time.

    So, questions concerning a critical budget for 25 million people are less important than a funeral for a dead cricketer who could throw a ball faster than anyone else … one day real “achievers” for this country will be recognised …

    WF nonsense …

    And who arranged all this shite?

    Let’s hope we (the people who actually have to deal with it) never allow Morriscum to get the war he seems to be determined to bring on!

    What a shambles …

  320. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 30, 2022 4:05 pm

    Tom R’s case
    * Someone said so
    * Grace Tame said so too

  321. March 30, 2022 4:07 pm

    “WF nonsense …”

    Exactly! These things are meticulously planned.

    It’s obvious to anyone with a passing interest in these matters that he’s pulled out to avoid any embarrassing questions over the bullying allegations from Concetta What’s her face and Pauline Hanson.

    Josh must be grinning from ear-to-ear, even if it does mean he’s just going to be relegated to Opposition Leaders.

  322. March 30, 2022 4:08 pm

    Yoll:

    *Yolling
    *Yolling again
    *Desperately Yolling

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2022 4:13 pm

    https://inqld.com.au/news/2022/03/30/gympie-man-the-first-convicted-under-industrial-manslaughter-laws/

    And I doubt it will be the last … been coming for decades!

    Only discussing today how deaths on Queensland mines have been increasing … a sure sign of poor training and incompetent management/supervision.

  324. Tom R permalink
    March 30, 2022 4:13 pm

    lol, yolling is already a thing, and, it seems it may be not far removed from ours πŸ™‚

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Yolling

  325. Tom R permalink
    March 30, 2022 4:15 pm

    lolling

  326. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2022 4:18 pm

    White House records show an unexplained gap of more than seven hours in the record of former President Donald Trump’s telephone calls the day of the deadly January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol, the Washington Post and CBS report.

    Can’t wait for the “defenders” cheer leaders …

    In a statement, Trump said: β€œI have no idea what a burner phone is, to the best of my knowledge I have never even heard the term.”

    LOL “…to the best of my knowledge … never … heard of them”

    Must be the only adult or teenager who hasn’t … “best of my knowledge” … yr fkn lying again, Donny …

  327. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2022 4:21 pm

    Our Yoll is better than their Yoll, TR

    The first meaning is a bit weird …

  328. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 30, 2022 4:29 pm

    *Grace said so
    That proves it

  329. Tom R permalink
    March 30, 2022 4:44 pm

    Finally, yer catching on yoll
    ….
    Our yoll is even weirder TB πŸ˜‰

  330. March 30, 2022 4:58 pm

    The things you find on the interwebs Tom R… 😯

  331. March 30, 2022 5:01 pm

    We’ve reached the point where the PM is telling people who can’t afford to rent to just buy a house instead.

    And the mainstream media just let it slide….

  332. Tom R permalink
    March 30, 2022 6:10 pm

    The things you find on the interwebs Tom R

    Yes, that’s where I found it. Truly.

  333. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 30, 2022 7:21 pm

    The heros of those with a disdain for western democracies
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHvBfHDTneU6Hy5FtHllmgVV1eCgIG4TZJIQ&usqp=CAU

  334. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2022 7:22 pm

    Yes, that’s where I found it. Truly.

    Then just set out the case, if it’s do simple.

    I think Yoll meant it should read … “Then just set out the case, if it’s So simple.”

    And a link … oh, wait! πŸ˜€πŸ˜πŸ˜‚πŸ€£πŸ˜ƒπŸ˜„πŸ˜…πŸ˜†πŸ˜‰πŸ˜‰πŸ˜‹

  335. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2022 7:27 pm

    The heros of those with a disdain for western democracies

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnYi7jZCAAAFDVV.jpg:large

  336. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2022 7:32 pm

    Voz iz zis zhit?

    https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/call-to-criminalise-controversial-russian-z-symbol/news-story/5e9d6ef33808eb8b07b040baeace3be1

    AH! Za Zar Meerdach zelling newz …

  337. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 31, 2022 8:32 am

    “a funeral for a dead cricketer who could throw a ball faster than anyone else “

    Thommo isn’t dead yet!

  338. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2022 9:42 am

    Thommo isn’t dead yet!

    Can’t spin that any other way

    Welcome to another do nothing budget (so, they just recycle the jokes)

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2022 10:04 am

    And people complained about Abbott!!

    Shows how dumb Abbott was … no way he could have shirt-fronted Putrid …

  340. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2022 10:13 am

    What are you on about TB?
    Putin is a tim pot fascist dictator, running an increasingly impoverished and isolated country
    But I suppose you find more to admire in all that, than in the leader of a prosperous western democracy

  341. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2022 10:15 am

    yoll yolling over a shirtless putin

    Not exactly how I saw the day starting.

    I see morrison is on board with will smith using violence to ‘display’ his ‘love’. Unsurprising

  342. March 31, 2022 10:47 am

    Yoll’s gotta Yoll.. πŸ˜†

  343. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2022 10:51 am

    πŸ™‚

  344. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2022 10:54 am

    Bullying- Grace said so
    A comprehensive case study!

  345. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2022 10:58 am

    And by the way, thank you…
    Yoll
    Australian way of greeting a friend. It is always accompanied by a peace sign. It’s a friendly way of greeting someone who will mutually send a “yoll” back

  346. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2022 11:02 am

    What’s Good Lord! ToM! on?

    A new strain of Covid?

    I see morrison is on board with will smith using violence to β€˜display’ his β€˜love’. Unsurprising

    Yep, tho’ I said earlier I thought it might have been a set up I still think it was in poor taste (either way) and not a good image for any age group to watch … sets a poor example for kids especially …

    Some of you know I grew up with a father who beat my Mum* (Smith’s excuse) … I don’t go around hitting people when they offend any of my family … words work pretty well …

    (* The more I understand PTSD and his war stories about the Atlantic convoys, I suspect PTSD was major factor)

    In Snotty’s case – hope and punches, I guess … could he actually swing a fist?

  347. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2022 11:04 am

    Yoll!

  348. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2022 11:28 am

    Bullying- Grace said so

    Can you even comprehend the fundamental difference between a victim and perpetrator?

  349. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2022 11:31 am

    Can you make a case beyond * Grace said so* ?
    I didn’t think you could

  350. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2022 12:12 pm

    * Grace said so*
    * Lambie said so*
    * concetta FW said so*
    * pauline said so*
    * Berejiklian said so*
    * Julia Banks said so*

  351. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 31, 2022 12:38 pm

    “Can you even comprehend the fundamental difference between a victim and perpetrator?”

    Victim on the left. Perps on the right:

  352. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2022 12:41 pm

    That’s some case! And as I’ve said-
    ….In the workplace, these behaviours are bullying-
    * Comments about family circumstances
    * Feedback that is unplanned, pointed, and/or not part of an improvement plan
    * Diminution of career opportunities that aren’t part of an improvement or disciplinary plan
    * Assignment of work, roster and responsibilities that reduce job satisfaction, or increase workload
    * Providing an inadequate opportunity for the individual to respond.
    That’s what I’ve outlined, but yours is so indicative

  353. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2022 12:41 pm

    Victim on the left. Perps on the right:

    I mean, saying she said it is easy, making it publicly, in person, is perhaps a bit different

  354. Yoll of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2022 1:10 pm

    Tom R – Everyone is saying so, therefore it’s a fact!

  355. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2022 1:12 pm

    In the workplace, these behaviours are bullying-

    Good Lord! ToM! … so I was bullied almost every day of my fkn working life! Not least by LNP Federal government’s …

    Actually that sounds very much like the army … when I was press ganged …

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2022 1:13 pm

    governments – beat ya Lord Tom

  357. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2022 1:20 pm

    Everyone is saying so, therefore it’s a fact!

    Well, it’s a lot closer to a fact than unsubstantiated gossip, isn’t it?

  358. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2022 1:33 pm

    yoll yolling about what yolling is?

  359. Yoll of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2022 1:42 pm

    Tom R – the case for the prosecution…
    “Everyone says so and therefore it’s a fact! I rest my case”

  360. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2022 1:45 pm

    Finally catching up yoll.
    Now, the defense can have their turn πŸ˜‰

  361. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2022 1:47 pm

  362. Yoll of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2022 2:12 pm

    That’s interesting
    ://theguttertrash.com/2022/03/18/weekend-gab-fest-4/#comment-197045

  363. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2022 3:18 pm

    That’s interesting
    kend-gab-fest-4/#comment-197045

    And it get’s more and more interesting the less we see of it πŸ™‚

  364. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2022 4:37 pm

    A thread well worth the read

  365. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2022 6:24 pm

    Whenever I look at social media, I’m amazed that there are so many people that are so disaffected with western democracy, that they are willing to excuse the brutality caused by the fascist Putin.
    And the address to parliament by Zelensky certainly put some context around the juvenile point scoring in Australian politics

  366. March 31, 2022 7:16 pm

    That’s what Conservatives don’t seem to get. Present arrangements are always less than perfect that’s why one should try to be ‘progressive’.

    The wider ‘living’ world is constantly evolving as Darwin pointed out. Scientists know that our understanding of the ‘physical’ world is also evolving as new theory is constructed, new methodologies devised, and new conclusions drawn.

    Yet, so many Conservatives somehow think that the ‘democracy’ we have cannot be improved upon. That the Citizen should be consulted every three years or so and then the (effectively) elected dictators should be free to ‘reign’.

    So sad that they think there is only two options. No imagination!

  367. March 31, 2022 7:41 pm

    What Conservatives in Australia seem to willfully ignore (impossible to forget) that our much vaunted ‘western democracy’ permitted Australian youth to be sacrificed in wars in Vietnam and Iraq. These decisions were NOT made by directly elected representatives. So Putin like? Where was the outcry?

    So many lies told. so many lies sold by agents of Capital.

    No moral dimension. Then or now!

  368. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2022 7:43 pm

    BINGO, MN!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    that they are willing to excuse the brutality caused by the fascist Putin.

    Just who are these “people” … I ain’t seen ’em … Good Lord! ToM … The Firm? Trump? 4BC?

  369. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2022 7:53 pm

    Have you heard of false equivalence?
    Maybe you can outline the rationale for Putin’s war

  370. March 31, 2022 7:54 pm

    Why aren’t Conservatives reflecting publicly that the 2020 report of the Varieties of Democracy Institute found that the global share of democracies declined from 54% in 2009 to 49% in 2019, and that a greater share of the global population lived in autocratizing countries (6% in 2009, 34% in 2019).

    Surely, one must question why democracy seems to be decline? Why is there an increasing gap between the ‘promise’ and the ‘performance’? Why are the youth so disinterested? Why is the current Australian government attempting to dissuade students from studying Arts (including politics, sociology etc) through fees rises? What are Conservatives worried about?

    Not suggesting that an incoming Labor government would make great changes … But they couldn’t be worse. And at so many levels.

  371. March 31, 2022 8:05 pm

    Tom – claims of “false equivalence” seem to be your default position. You construct YOUR reality however you like. And you do!

    That’s the problem with Conservatives, they’re forever stuck in the one (comfortable) rut. A metaphorical security blanket. Can’t operate outside their comfort zone.

  372. March 31, 2022 8:41 pm

    Just for the record, there mightn’t be any justification for ‘Putin’s war’ (rarely is there a justification for any war) but one should try to UNDERSTAND some of the many forces as to ‘why’ Putin went to war. To simply put it down to Putin’s ‘fascism’ is facile. That’s what the MSM does. Pitch it to a Year 5 reading level.

    Surely we can do better than that? Surely we should entertain some ‘complexity’? Or is the historical past been for nought?

    Look at the supposed reasons for the War(s) in Vietnam and Iraq (Advance of Communism and Weapons of Mass Destruction) and see how they stand up historically. Yet these alternative ‘insights’ were available at the time. And to question them publicly was at risk of ridicule.

    But if you wish for simple explanations, that’s your right.

  373. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 31, 2022 8:50 pm

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-04-03/pm-apologises-for-mid-air-meltdown/1639818

    Kevin Rudd has apologised for verbally abusing a flight attendant on a Royal Australian Air Force flight earlier this year when the Prime Minister was not served the meal he wanted.

  374. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2022 9:09 pm

    I’ve read Putin’s lengthy dissertation that justifies the invasion, have you? I doubt whether Putin wrote it himself.
    Every territorial claim and aggressive expansionist has a cheer club, and his words reflected a territorial claim, not a defensive action
    According to Putin it’s their right because –
    * It has always been the case that Ukraine is part of Russia
    * They are the same race
    * They have the same history
    Putin spends a lot of time talking about the events of 400 years ago.
    It’s the attitude of a fascist.

  375. March 31, 2022 9:10 pm

    Neil – here’s a challenge. Perhaps you could name some politicians at Cabinet level or higher who weren’t bullies, at least on some occasions.

    Personally, I can’t name a one. But yes, Rudd set the standard for excellence.

  376. Tom R permalink
    March 31, 2022 10:02 pm

    spends a lot of time talking about the events of 400 years ago.
    It’s the attitude of a
    … conservatist?

  377. March 31, 2022 10:58 pm

    Tom of Melbourne – No I haven’t read Putin’s attempts to justify his invasion (at this time) and for any number of reasons. First, he most certainly didn’t write it himself. Suspect he had other things on his mind. After all he’s at war. Almost certain that him writing a ‘rationale’ wouldn’t be a high priority. But that’s not to say it wouldn’t be aligned to his ‘thinking’. He would have ensured that.

    That Putin talks about things that happened 400 years ago is no surprise. Indeed that provides clues as to why he operates as he does. Proof that ‘history’ is important.

    Here in Australia, it can be reasonably argued that we don’t really have a long, proud ‘history’ that permeates deep into our national ‘consciousness’ in the same way that the ‘Crusades’, for example, infuses deep into the Citizens in so many Islamic Nations.

    I’ll leave it there at this late hour but will return.

  378. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2022 11:22 pm

    It was written in June 21, it’s the type of thing people read if they wish to make informed comments about such matters

  379. Tom R permalink
    April 1, 2022 9:43 am

  380. April 1, 2022 9:49 am

    “Maybe you can outline the rationale for Putin’s war”

    Yoll’s gotta Yoll… πŸ˜†

  381. Tom R permalink
    April 1, 2022 9:58 am

    #libspill is trending on April 1. It’s glorious πŸ™‚

    Not sure if pvo realises how this looks, especially considering the day, but it too is kind of inglorious

  382. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 1, 2022 10:05 am

    As I’ve gone to the trouble of seeking out and reading Putin’s 5000 word essay (available on the Kremlin website) on why Ukraine is part of Russia, I’m finding it I little odd that I’m chided for not understanding Putin’s rationale for the invasion.
    Putin’s rationale is surprisingly similar to that of Hitler.
    * Unite the Germanic (Russian) people because of a shared history, culture, language.
    * Germany (Russia) was cheated out of the territory at a time of weakness
    It’s the rationale of a fascist, and anyone that has bothered to read beyond the MSM would come to the same conclusion

  383. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2022 10:33 am

    Putin’s rationale is surprisingly similar to that of Hitler.

    So it’ll be as boring as shit and ramble and wander in directions only a madman could see … should we defend hitler’s actions because the chances are he had PTSD after his WWI experiences … does Mein Kampf demonstrate why Hitler did what he did … or was it because the West screwed the German economy so drastically after WWI that most Germans were desperate and starving … and followed Hitler as a hero Fuhrer … for revenge … Austria simply fell in line because they were in effect – brothers … so that analogy for Ukraine doesn’t fly … in fact the Slavs (Poles and Russia) were not high on Germany’s guest list …

    Not the case with Russia in 2022 … so either you haven’t read history on Hitler or Putin truly is mad … to compare both both dictators is silly to say the least … 1930 Europe and 2022 Europe are completely different …

    History does rhyme tho’ … and if we are not careful Ukraine will become the Spain of the 20th Century.

  384. April 1, 2022 11:02 am

    Just think about what people who say we cannot afford proper aged care are actually saying.

  385. April 1, 2022 11:04 am

    “I’ve gone to the trouble of seeking out and reading Putin’s 5000 word essay”

    And yet….

  386. Tom R permalink
    April 1, 2022 11:11 am

    πŸ™‚ πŸ˜†

  387. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2022 12:26 pm

    Chuckle!

  388. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 1, 2022 12:33 pm

    Yes, I think this sums up your motivation…
    ignorance is bliss
    PROVERB
    if one is unaware of an unpleasant fact or situation one cannot be troubled by it.

  389. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 1, 2022 12:51 pm

    Interesting social dynamic. A person wants to have a logical argument. They lay out some facts and put a proposition out there. But the guffawing, backslapping, braying jackasses titter chortle and say no one cares. That’s the way mobs work – all giggle and spite. No need to be logical, when all you need is a smart arse quip, a high-five and a golden shower to wash it all down with. Go the Gutter Trash Mean Girls!

  390. Tom R permalink
    April 1, 2022 1:56 pm

    A person wants to have a logical argument.

    Fool me once ………..

  391. Tom R permalink
    April 1, 2022 1:58 pm

    FUCK YOU – pay!

  392. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 1, 2022 2:07 pm

    On this site, ridicule is an important option for reply, particularly if there’s nothing coherent to say

  393. Tom R permalink
    April 1, 2022 2:08 pm

  394. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2022 2:22 pm

    On this site, ridicule is an important option for reply, particularly if there’s nothing coherent to say

    Mmmmm? Think about that …

    Go the Gutter Trash Mean Girls!

    Read some of your own comments … and hate to say it but some of the discourse before your arrival here … in fact read all your last comment … people in glass houses …

    When I see a logical comment with evidence to back it up … that’s the way I’ll reply …

    I’ve had my share of … guffawing, backslapping, braying jackasses titter chortle and say no one cares. That’s the way mobs work – all giggle and spite along with personal insults … as you can easily attest …

    I’m sure Lord NO! ToM would agree …

    Note: I have nuclear weapons … πŸ˜€πŸ˜πŸ˜‚πŸ€£πŸ˜ƒπŸ˜„πŸ˜…πŸ˜†πŸ˜Ž

  395. April 1, 2022 3:07 pm

    “On this site, ridicule is an important option for reply, particularly if there’s nothing coherent to say”

    I know… Just the other day you were calling me a “complete fucking idiot”.

    Pretty much confirming your point.

  396. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 1, 2022 3:14 pm

    That’s entirely incorrect.
    I was referring to several people and I said – “complete f**king idiot”

  397. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2022 3:40 pm

    tut tut reb … fancy missing the ** … LOL!

    Nice one, Lord f**k No! ToM! LOL! But is it correct grammar … what’s wrong with fkn, oops, “fkn” …? 😎

    (Someone used to object to my love of … )

  398. Tom R permalink
    April 1, 2022 4:03 pm

    I was referring to several people and I said – β€œcomplete f**king idiot”

    So you weren’t referring to reb?

    But nils only one person (to my knowledge)

  399. Tom R permalink
    April 1, 2022 6:18 pm

    BETTER ECONOMIC MANAGERS

    Under questioning from Labor’s Penny Wong, Defence Department deputy secretary Tony Dalton confirmed the final cost of the aborted program could exceed $5 billion.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-01/cancelled-french-submarine-program-cost-billions/100959082

  400. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 1, 2022 6:35 pm

    Somqhats the problem? I decided to accept the troll label, and just indicated the logical outcome of that.
    Some people get annoyed with logic

  401. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 1, 2022 10:33 pm

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001607q/hardtalk-maria-butina-member-of-russias-state-duma

    Try this for some incisive questions and expert obfuscation by an apologist for the fascist Putin

  402. TB Queensland permalink
    April 2, 2022 12:55 am

    ToM what is your problem …no-one here is a Putrid supporter!

  403. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 2, 2022 7:38 am

    MN encouraged understanding of both perspectives, an interview with a prominent politician helps
    Tis interview certainly helps demonstrate that Russian politicians aren’t used to being grilled by the media.

  404. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 2, 2022 4:42 pm

    BETTER ECONOMIC MANAGERS

    You could blame the sub disaster on Rudd/ALP. Rudd produced a White paper saying we needed 12 subs. But did not say what type. Pink, blue or purple subs?? Rudd did not say.

    The Coalition was handed the mess and then made the wrong decision. But at least they made a decision.

    I think the next decision was also wrong. Nuc subs is a road we should not travel down.

    I suspect if Abbott was PM we would have got the Japanese diesel subs. But since Turnbull was PM we got the French.

    Turnbull was a disaster for Australia and the Coalition

  405. Tom R permalink
    April 2, 2022 7:03 pm

    MN encouraged understanding of both perspectives

    AAAAUUUUGGGGHHHH!!

  406. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 2, 2022 9:12 pm

    Yes, and I posted a link to assist to understand the Russian perspective…an interview with a prominent Russian politician.
    It provides an interesting insight, and to me, it shows a politician that struggles to cope with the type of questioning that their western democracy counterparts routinely experience

  407. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2022 2:31 pm

    It provides an interesting insight, and to me

    Pleased for you, oh! Lord ToM, most of us already knew … not sure about Kneel.

  408. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2022 6:26 pm

    By now you would think that most Australians would think that Scott Morrison is a serial liar, avoider of responsibility and a cheat … pretty much like Barnaby Joyce but Bananby is just a childish dope as well … and they head the most corrupt, uneducated, incompetent, greedy, deceitful shylocks that this rabble lays claim to call itself a government – this country has seen for decades!

    As with Putin, Xi and other diktats … it is always the enablers who are to blame …

    And of course The Bible … and Believers … and the focus on PROFIT! not people

    I confess (intentional) to singing this battle hymn in choir and loving it … a primary school CofE religious education never stuck with me and I was arguing the Fairytale with family from a very young age …

  409. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2022 6:27 pm

  410. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2022 6:42 pm

    We’re not all like you George … ’tis a pity you were born here tho’ …

    Controversial Queensland MP George Christensen has announced that he has tested positive to Covid-19.

    The rogue MP posted a message on Telegram on Sunday saying: β€œSo, I’ve tested positive to Covid (via Rapid Antigen Test), watch the haters now hope that something horrible happens to me as a result.”

  411. Tom R permalink
    April 3, 2022 7:04 pm

    to cope with the type of questioning that their western democracy counterparts routinely experience

    Did you catch morrison on 7.30 the other night? Fascinating insight

  412. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2022 7:14 pm

    hehehehe don’t do that TR … 😎

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