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This is how it ends for Scott Morrison

April 4, 2022

ANY HOPES for a post budget poll boost for Scott Morrison have been well and truly dashed with the latest Newspoll showing the Coalition has increased its two-party preferred result by just 1 percentage point to 46 per cent, well within the margin of error.

The lackluster result comes as Scott Morrison faces yet another embarrassing showdown about his character – with claims he falsely accused his opponent of being a Muslim in the battle to win the 2007 preselection.

These latest revelations follow a conga line of complainants who accuse Morrison of being a bully, hypocrite and a liar.

The Prime Minister is hoping for some glimmer of hope that fortune may return in his favour and the federal budget was meant to offer this lifeline.

However, with polls stubbornly predicting a Labor landslide, and his personal brand so toxic that he refuses to meet and greet flood affected locals in Lismore, he will no doubt become more desperate as time rolls on towards the May election.

But this is how it well end for Morrison, just as his other occupations have ended in barely concealed failure and ignominy, his legacy as Prime Minister will be remembered for one thing and one thing only – a failed marketing man.

Update: The latest IPSOS poll just released has Labor back at 55 ALP against the LNP at 45 signifying the federal budget poll bounce was a net zero gain.

402 Comments leave one →
  1. April 4, 2022 9:47 am

    This is how it ends….

    Those closest to Morrison at the time believe he didn’t see it coming.

    “He would have thought he was safe and should be running the place,” one of his friends quips.

    “He really didn’t see it, and he was gutted.”

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/how-clashes-with-a-minister-helped-get-the-future-pm-fired-20210908-p58put.html

  2. Tom R permalink
    April 4, 2022 10:20 am

    I mean, it’s great that he has come to such a lowly, pitiful end (I hope), but the real horror in all this is that someone like him was able to become pm in the first place.

    murdoch has too much to answer for

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2022 11:39 am

    This is how it ends….

    Thanks, reb, read the lot! Very pleased to see Tim Fischer (RIP) bumped him off in that job …

    After this election Slut Morrison will probably get a job flogging the church … with any luck he’ll be a failure there too!

    … someone like him was able to become pm in the first place.

    It fascinated me throughout my career (adult life?)… involved with many businesses … “how the fk did she/he get that fkn job” … oft repeated.

  4. Tony permalink
    April 4, 2022 1:22 pm

    it’s great that he has come to such a lowly, pitiful end (I hope)

    How quickly we forget (2019).

    Four words: Bill Shorten, unlosable election.

  5. Tom R permalink
    April 4, 2022 1:39 pm

    Four words: Bill Shorten, unlosable election.

    Don’t remind me tosy 😦

    Mind you, this SHOULD be a nail in the coffin, but … this is #auspol. If another Labor MP dies, who knows what will get blamed on them?

  6. April 4, 2022 2:10 pm

    I’m sure the friendlyjordies guy has some interesting points to make but I find him totally unwatchable.

  7. Tom R permalink
    April 4, 2022 2:31 pm

    but I find him totally unwatchable.

    I hear ya. If he stopped with the snark and gutter jokes, he would be taken a lot more seriously.

    But, it doesn’t mean that what he exposes isn’t there. The shit he exposed with dutton got lost in the medias frenzy over a dead MP, and this one will be ignored too

    But he took down a premier and her bruz, so he has that 😉

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2022 2:33 pm

    Four words: Bill Shorten, unlosable election.

    And I remember the KIll Bill Kampaign

  9. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 4, 2022 2:38 pm

    Does it really matter who wins. There is not a lot of difference between Labor and the Coalition these days

  10. Tom R permalink
    April 4, 2022 3:22 pm

    Looks like jeordies is beginning to realize he turns a lot of people off
    For “Just the Fax maam”

    https://www.friendlyjordies.com/post/parliament-house-sex-investigation

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 4, 2022 4:31 pm

    Chris Bowen in 2019- “if you don’t like it, don’t vote for us”
    The public – ” righto”
    I can’t quite see the ALP repeating that arrogance again

  12. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 4, 2022 4:42 pm

    Morrison richly deserves to lose. Both are unlovely fuckers. The best we can hope for is a change. It would be nice if the ALP actually told us what it would do in a bit more detail.

  13. Tom R permalink
    April 4, 2022 4:47 pm

    It would be nice if the ALP actually told us what it would do in a bit more detail.

    Isn’t it usual to release policies once the election is actually called. I mean, we could be stuck with the libs until September [groan]

    Not sure morrison would last that long, which makes September even more unlikely lol

  14. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 4, 2022 4:54 pm

    September??? Yikes!!!!

  15. April 4, 2022 4:56 pm

    “Isn’t it usual to release policies once the election is actually called. I mean, we could be stuck with the libs until September [groan]”

    I think Morrison was hinging everything on the budget.

    And he’s rapidly running out of time to call the election.

    But aside from a cash splash, surely you didn’t expect them to come up with some actual policies…?

  16. April 4, 2022 4:59 pm

    According to the Australian Constitution, the Federal Election can be held no later than 21 May this year.

    It appears Morrison is desperately hoping for a glimmer of good news before visiting the GG.

    But things just seem to be going from bad to worse..

    Which is very very sad. 😦

  17. Tom R permalink
    April 4, 2022 5:04 pm

    According to the Australian Constitution, the Federal Election can be held no later than 21 May this year.

    Yes, but that is only for the Senate. IF he/they really were batshit crazy (and nothing they have done can prove they are not), the HoR doesn’t have to hold one until September

    There has been much amusement on the Twits about this, the AEC ended up looking quite stupid about it in the end

  18. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 4, 2022 5:49 pm

    Morrison richly deserves to lose.

    Why does he deserve to lose??

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2022 6:07 pm

    It appears Morrison is desperately hoping for a glimmer of good news before visiting the GG.

    Let’s invite Prince Harry …

    Which is very very sad. Don’t fkn do that, reb! … what with Covid and Russia fkn the world economy up … mmmm might change my gravatar to Ukraine 😎

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2022 6:08 pm

    Why does he deserve to lose??

    I know – classic reply …

    Why does he deserve to win??

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2022 6:10 pm

    the HoR doesn’t have to hold one until September

    Wasn’t there a parliamentary agreement some years ago that the “half year” senate vote fell in the same year that both houses went to polls? (is that the Tweeter argument?)

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2022 6:12 pm

    fkn up the world economy … or … fkn the world economy down … ?

    Either way … win or lose Putrid is phucked!

  23. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 4, 2022 6:12 pm

    Why does he deserve to win??

    Good question. I don’t think it matters who wins the next election. Whatever problems we have will not be solved by either party.

    But i am in awe of Howard/Costello. Took govt debt from 18% of GDP in 1996 to ZERO and unemployment from 8% in 1996 to 4% by 2007

  24. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    April 4, 2022 6:20 pm

    “the HoR doesn’t have to hold one until September”

    FMD…!!

  25. Tony permalink
    April 4, 2022 8:19 pm

    Sportsbet odds atm are $3.20 Coalition and $1.33 Labor. In a two horse race I’ll be backing the coalition, as I did last time.

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 5, 2022 8:09 am

    Australia is the 12th happiest country in the world, (and has the highest minimum wage in the world too)
    But I expect most will find some reason to have a big whinge
    https://www.atlasandboots.com/travel-blog/happiest-countries-in-the-world-ranked/

  27. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    April 5, 2022 8:15 am

    “I’m a Liberal MP and I cannot vote for the re-election of a Scott Morrison government”

    ~ Catherine Cusack

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/04/im-a-liberal-and-i-cannot-vote-for-the-re-election-of-a-scott-morrison-government

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2022 8:44 am

    This is the Guardian … about Putrid

    … brutality against women and children doesn’t phase him…

    Check out the spelling …

  29. April 5, 2022 8:53 am

    oh dear, typical leftists…!

  30. Tom R permalink
    April 5, 2022 9:40 am

    But I expect most will find some reason to have a big whinge

    We were 10th when it started, so there is that 😉

    THIS, however, is glorious schadenfreude. Fucken Dinosaurs!

  31. April 5, 2022 9:54 am

    There’s just no end to the rorting….

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  32. April 5, 2022 10:44 am

    Scotty’s gonna lose his shit….!

    Latest Morgan Poll:

    The ALP is now on 57% (up 1.5% points from a week ago) compared to the L-NP 43% (down 1.5% points) on a two-party preferred basis. If a Federal Election were held today the ALP would win a clear majority.

    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8928-roy-morgan-poll-federal-voting-intention-april-2022-202204040823

  33. Tom R permalink
    April 5, 2022 10:45 am

    Latest Morgan Poll:

    Thoughts and preys for tosy’s ‘investment’ 😦

  34. April 5, 2022 11:30 am

    And another one’s gone, and another one’s gone, another bites the dust.

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2022 1:33 pm

    … and preys … Intended or spoonerism? 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😉😎

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2022 1:34 pm

    Scotty’s gonna lose his shit….!

    Well, he is full of it …

  37. Tony permalink
    April 5, 2022 2:05 pm

    Thoughts and preys for tosy’s ‘investment’ 😦

    Yeah, the predictions were similar in 2019. From memory I got about $5 last time. If the polls keep trending the way they are I might get something similar this time.

    Something about the accuracy of opinion polls vs. the privacy of the polling booth, just can’t remember how it goes.

  38. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 5, 2022 2:57 pm

    And another one’s gone, and another one’s gone, another bites the dust.

    So what is new?? Another Liberal turns to the dark side. If Rudd/ALP was in power she would say in a difficult time Rudd/ALP are doing their best

    But as usual i could be wrong.

  39. Tom R permalink
    April 5, 2022 4:06 pm

  40. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 5, 2022 4:22 pm

    TomR

    Labor does not believe in borders. You locked up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013.

    How many boat people do you plan to lock up next time??

  41. Tony permalink
    April 5, 2022 5:12 pm

    Some are a bit late for me, but others maybe not … 🤔

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 5, 2022 5:56 pm

    We were 10th when it started, so there is that
    I don’t recall you using that rationale when Melbourne fell 9 places on the most livable city index

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    April 5, 2022 6:18 pm

    I don’t recall you using that rationale when Melbourne fell 9 places on the most livable city index

    Duh? Context? Only nine?*

    *I would have thought that the Grammar Police would know that any number under 10 is written … disappointed m’lord … think of your English masters in church school .. the shame …

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 5, 2022 7:12 pm

    And remember how Tom R said- “look over here” during a discussion about the brutal invasion of Ukraine
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-05/bucha-mass-gravesite-what-we-know-evidence-war-crimes/100966110

  45. April 5, 2022 9:56 pm

    Yes Russia (broadly defined to include powerful decision makers) perhaps should face legal sanction(s) in the same way as the United States faced legal sanctions re the illegal invasion of Iraq and Vietnam to name but two instances. (As well as the numerous allegations of war crimes.)

    No doubt we all remember that and them. (But maybe not?)

    Biden wants Putin to be hauled before an international Court – (perhaps the International Criminal Court might be appropriate) BUT the United States was one of only seven countries – along with China, Iraq, Israel, Libya, Qatar, and Yemen – that voted against being bound by the ICC.

    Suppose there’s nothing like a selective memory. Or maybe no memory at all?

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 6, 2022 8:15 am

    Russia is also not a signatory. But this does not prevent charges of crimes against humanity, or genocide.
    So presumably these charges could also be made against the USA if there is evidence of such systemic action.
    But nonetheless, trying to provide context around the slaughter of 400+ as well as rape and torture is straight from the lastest Kremlin media release

  47. Tom R permalink
    April 6, 2022 9:17 am

    So presumably these charges could also be made against the USA if there is evidence of such systemic action.

    Careful, I’ll end up with “Look, over here” pretty soon.

    But as for Russia, putin has proven he is a megalomaniac with no bounds now placed on him. He seemingly has the Western powers defenseless to move against him. Perhaps these rumours about EMP weapons are accurate, in which case, we are entering … well, pre-charted waters. And that has never ended well 😦

    Perhaps they shouldn’t have poked the bear so hard? Because, even though if he is as bad as it seems (and there is nothing to say otherwise), why poke that?

  48. April 6, 2022 9:21 am

    Re:

    Russia is also not a signatory.

    So Russia is NOT a signatory? Are you sure?

    My understanding is that Russia IS a signatory! (But hasn’t signed same.)

    Nevertheless, these are but quibbles. Both individuals Russia and the US (and perhaps Australia too) seem to have committed war crimes.

    Let’s not be ‘barrackers’ – (for a change).

  49. April 6, 2022 9:24 am

    Correction not signed but ratified. So Russia ‘signed’ but didn’t ‘ratify’.

  50. April 6, 2022 9:31 am

    Over the centuries, Empires have risen and declined. What’s different this time around is that while Russia is in ‘decline’, it’s not prepared to go quietly AND it has the (nuclear) capacity to wreck the place .

    Be very afraid!

  51. Tom R permalink
    April 6, 2022 9:39 am

    Russia is not the only ’empire’ in decline, The US and ‘teh West’ is also heading that way

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 6, 2022 9:41 am

    Russia withdrew its signature because it proceedings against it began in 2014 after the invasion of Crimea.
    It occupies the same status as the USA.
    It can still be prosecuted for genocide, and crimes against humanity.
    So your suggestion about hypocrisy on the part of the US is incorrect.

  53. April 6, 2022 9:50 am

    Yes US and ‘teh West’ seem to be heading that way also.

    So MAD (mutually assured destruction) makes it a whole new game, metaphorically speaking.

    Will the US defend Taiwan? Probably not – mainly because it can’t.

    Time for Australia to be less ‘hairy chested’. Time for strengthening our soft power credentials.

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 6, 2022 10:08 am

    It’s time for Australia to accept that-
    * It has an economy that is the same size as Russia’s
    * It is the (equal) largest economy in the southern hemisphere
    * It is a significant regional power
    * It is a stable and long term democracy
    …and say it’s piece in opposing brutal expansionist fascists, without forelock tugging

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2022 11:42 am

    It’s time for Australia to accept that-
    * It has an economy that is the same size as Russia’s
    * It is the (equal) largest economy in the southern hemisphere
    * It is a significant regional power
    * It is a stable and long term democracy
    …and say it’s piece in opposing brutal expansionist fascists, without forelock tugging

    1. An economy that can be destroyed in seconds

    2. Equal to who?

    3. It was a significant regional power until the present government started a Crusade and pissed of many of our immediate neighbours.

    4. It was, until we got dumped on by right wing political neo-liberal and trickle down economics controlled by the corporates … and religion

    5. Australia “said its piece” in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan … no forelock tugging and all fkn political and military disasters … sometimes good manners and real diplomacy are better than sabre rattling …

    The only time Australia “said its piece” and achieved anything was East-Timor … ten the Howard government set about the place like a bunch of bushrangers nicking their gas! And holding back a budding DEMOCRACY!

  56. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 6, 2022 12:12 pm

    I have just left the NBN. I signed up for TPGs Home Wireless Broadband. For the same price i get unlimited downloads although for an extra $10/month i could have got unlimited downloads with the NBN.

    The downside is i lose my landline. But i never use it anyway.

    But if Home Wireless takes off it could make the NBN useless.

  57. April 6, 2022 12:29 pm

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  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 6, 2022 1:53 pm

    TB continues to experience a cultural cringe. Queensland has that effect on many people

  59. Knot Won Inch Closer`Teabag permalink
    April 6, 2022 2:03 pm

    It’s time for muppet island to accept that-

    + it is a yankeeland arse licking deputy sheriff,
    + all it’s so called leaders are phoney know noughts, knot dread noughts.
    + Sending ‘back in black’ cormanbot and similar arse-hats to weather, or other international chat clubs will never be any help, including nato which cannot muster up the courage contained in an average chook shed.`

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2022 2:43 pm

    TB continues to experience a cultural cringe.

    WTF are you burbling about now? As a kid I watched the clever folks in London nearly get the UK blown up by helping the Yanks build missile silos, arrive here and, before I’m a citizen, I’m marching around for two years with an SLR under my shoulder and a spanner in my hand wondering if I’ll end up where my mate and a mate’s brother were killed in a firefight and an exploding M113. Now I’m watching a bloody Parliament led by a happy clapping sabre ratting moron and his Frankenstien monster playing tanks, ships, missiles planes and guns whoo hooo! Enabled by people like you … cultural cringe … ??? … its called experience and logic … and my immediate family all live close.

    Cultural cringe – insulting moron!

    War is not a game! Real war anyway! It costs everyone big time – even if they “win” …

    It’s early afternoon too …. FMD!

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 6, 2022 3:13 pm

    Look at your points 1 to 5 before you call anyone a moron.
    Weak and bland, exactly as expected

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2022 3:25 pm

    Weak and bland, exactly as expected

    And you are tough and strong I suppose – a leader

    Your life background would be interesting but extremely short … sighted …

    Have you read China bt Henry Kissinger yet … of course not libraries have been closed and you can’t work an ebook … just how the fk do you think you know so much …

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 6, 2022 3:36 pm

    You should take Abraham Lincoln’s advice
    “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”

  64. April 6, 2022 4:47 pm

    If, like me, you can’t stomach the self-satisfied ‘friendlyjordies’ guy, here is a more palatable take on his expose on the Canberra Prayer Room sex scandal (and the implications thereof)..

    https://www.michaelwest.com.au/jordan-shanks-the-parliament-prayer-room-a-police-raid-and-the-sounds-of-silence/

  65. Tom R permalink
    April 6, 2022 5:18 pm

    Someone REALLY didn’t like jordies reveal reb

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2022 6:45 pm

    You should take Abraham Lincoln’s advice

    You need to read more history …

    His one goal, he said, was “lasting peace among ourselves.” He called for “malice towards none” and “charity for all.”

    Never quote Abe Lincoln out of context to me again … or the Duke of Wellington …

    “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”

    I guess he was talking about you! Lord ToM … I’ve lived all my life with nonsense from people like you who’ve never lived life, Lord ToM

    Married at 21 (now 53 years) with $300 between us and a baby on the way, then NS hit us – income dropped from $280 to $80 a fortnight – my business career stalled for THREE years and singing career buggered, you’ve never been out of work for six weeks and had the last dollar mowed over … 😎 fuck … and with a mortgage and two kids to support … those kids and their kids now populate our street and own their million dollar + homes …

    And you want to jeopordise all that multiplied by how many Aussie families! By beating your chest!

    Learn hit a target at 300m over sights before you spout war mongering!

    And stand in a ditch holding a target for other shooters to hit … or just watch Danger Close!

    And never be fooled by my HEY! Hey?

    Despite ALL THAT … GET NICKED! Please …

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2022 6:50 pm

    Hey! ToMMy

    Have a go at yer right wing supporter … Splats is a big supporter of Russia the Republicans in the USofA …

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/06/us-right-wing-republicans-russia-ukraine-disinformation

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2022 6:52 pm

    Parliament should have the power to define “aliens”, including to allow the deportation of Aboriginal non-citizens or even dual nationals, the Australian government has argued.

    The solicitor general, Stephen Donaghue, made the submission on behalf of the commonwealth in a high court appeal seeking to overturn an earlier ruling that Aboriginal people cannot be deported, even if they lack Australian citizenship.

    Look out all you Pommie crims!

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2022 6:53 pm

    BTW Lord ToM thanks for the look over there …

    Back to the topic …

    Snotty Moriscum MUST GO!

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    April 6, 2022 6:59 pm

    Palmer should have been jailed a long time ago!

  71. April 6, 2022 8:22 pm

    Here’s an (ex) Australian Diplomat having his say re relationship with the US:

    “Australia, … has been malleable, fawning, uncritical and easily led”

    https://johnmenadue.com/hysteria-hyperbole-hubris-and-denial-are-driving-foreign-and-defence-policy/

    He proceeds: “Noted was the ease with which the Morrison government jumped when asked, to criticise Xi Jinping with respect to Covid and the banning of Huawei. The US concluded that Morrison and his ministers were an easy mark.”

    Yep – “an easy mark”.

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 6, 2022 9:16 pm

    I wouldn’t bother to quote John Menadue as a credible source.
    He hasn’t been a diplomat for 30 years.
    His legacy at Qantas resulted in the most significant restructuring, with many thousands retrenched.
    Surely you can find an article written by someone with a record of success

  73. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 6, 2022 9:21 pm

    And by the way-
    1. Huawei was banned by the Turnbull government, and this followed the publication of Silent Invasion by (former Greens candidate and respected academic) Clive Hamilton. His compelling book shamed the political establishment into action on the insidious influence of the CCP in Australian institutions.
    You should read it.
    2. Morrison didn’t mention China in his calls for an inquiry into the origins of covid. That was the interpretation of the CCP.

  74. Tom R permalink
    April 6, 2022 9:22 pm

    Snotty Moriscum MUST GO!
    an go and go and go.

  75. Tom R permalink
    April 6, 2022 9:39 pm

    1. Huawei was banned by the Turnbull government

    Remember when they called Labor racist for not allowing Huawei to tender for the NBN? That was WAAY before hamilton wrote his tome. And it was because of valid concerns over the company. Yet then the libs did the same thing they personally had described as racist. What does that say to people?

    2. Morrison didn’t mention China in his calls for an inquiry

    Is that because payne had already made it clear WHO they were looking at?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-19/payne-calls-for-inquiry-china-handling-of-coronavirus-covid-19/12162968

  76. April 6, 2022 9:58 pm

    Re:

    I wouldn’t bother to quote John Menadue as a credible source.

    Surprise, surprise because I didn’t quote Menadue as the source. Try Bruce Haig as the author. But only after you’ve removed your ideological glasses.

    What is it with links that you can’t handle? You just to need to click on same. If you did that you’ll readily see that Haig is the author. Lol.

    Re his:

    legacy at Qantas resulted in the most significant restructuring, with many thousands retrenched.

    And Joyce’s legacy at Qantas is even more remarkable? He re-hired same? Or maybe not? (So far, Tom you’re batting zero.)

    As for:

    didn’t mention China in his calls for an inquiry into the origins of covid. That was the interpretation of the CCP.

    Dear oh dear. It was all their fault? Because they ‘interpreted’ .. ‘.

    No wonder our diplomatic reputation is in tatters. Our diplomatic staff can’t think ahead? No idea what ‘meanings will be given?

    Talk about ideological blindness.

  77. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 7, 2022 8:05 am

    Just had my first day using TPGs Home Wireless Broadband. Works OK. The modem just needs a power point unlike the NBN modem which needs a cable to connect to the NBN. So far no problems. I guess wireless speeds can only improve. This is a picture of the modem TPG sent me.

    https://community.tpg.com.au/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/5164iF19253DDA41B6E7D/image-size/large?v=v2&px=999

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 7, 2022 8:07 am

    1. Joyce is highly regarded in the senior business community and generally within Qantas. Menadue wasn’t highly regarded in the business community or in Qantas. Quite the contrary.
    2. So you’re quoting another public servant who hasn’t been a diplomat for 30 years.

  79. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 7, 2022 9:21 am

    Snivelling tosspot Eachway Albo at it again. “I’m absolutely up for it”

    But he wasn’t really. Says the gutless turd: “No, we are just taking questions from journalists because that is what we do in a press conference.”

  80. Tom R permalink
    April 7, 2022 10:09 am

    Snivelling tosspot Eachway Albo

    I didn’t hear the press saying they didn’t mind. They mind when another churnalist gets to ask a question before them

    And, did he talk to them after?

  81. Tom R permalink
    April 7, 2022 10:11 am

    Meanwhile, one media outlet is finally talking about the waft from parliament house

  82. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 7, 2022 10:15 am

    Eachway was too gutless to take the question. He wasn’t up for it all.

  83. Tom R permalink
    April 7, 2022 10:18 am

    Eachway was too gutless to take the question.

    So, he didn’t speak to him afterwards? After the churnalists had finished all of their questions? Really?

    THIS is how you run 🙂

  84. April 7, 2022 11:15 am

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  85. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 7, 2022 11:21 am

    Not relevant. Eachway was gutto! He wasn’t up for it and deflected the question.

  86. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 7, 2022 11:30 am

    What an interesting graph! Kind of says it all!!

    I guess the socialists have won. Labor has never cared about govt debt. The Coalition says they do but have done nothing.

    WE are about to find out if govt debt causes problems

  87. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 7, 2022 12:10 pm

    This poor senile old fool is the best the Dems have, apparently. Everybody ignores him. Even when he puts his hand on Obama’s shoulder, Obama still ignores him. Meet the leader of the free world!

  88. Tom R permalink
    April 7, 2022 1:25 pm

    Not relevant.

    You do know that slomos press conferences are invite only, don’t you? All this pillock had to do was wait until people who are paid to be there ask their questions, and then he can ask his. It’s not albos fault if the gategrasher doesn’t want to hang around until the end, is it?

  89. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 7, 2022 1:29 pm

    Look over where?

  90. Tom R permalink
    April 7, 2022 1:50 pm

    Look over where?

    Over here 😉

  91. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 7, 2022 1:58 pm

    Yes you are right.

  92. Tom R permalink
    April 7, 2022 2:03 pm

    Yes you are right.

    That albo requesting that the paid churnalists ask their questions before a rando is of larger import the cover up of rent boys in parliament house

    Yes, I can see that now, thanks for setting me straight splattedsphinct

  93. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 7, 2022 2:22 pm

    Yes, you are right.

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2022 6:36 pm

    Over here 😉

    No wonder they don’t want a bloody ICAC!

    This mob (apologies to First People) is downright corrupt from so many christian angles!

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    April 7, 2022 6:37 pm

    Yes, you are right.

    Aha ha … so clever … zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  96. Tom R permalink
    April 7, 2022 9:53 pm

    Interesting question not asked.

    Questions Q&A rejected 2.
    “Minister Ruston.
    No doubt you are aware that the Adelaide university evaluation quantitative summary report has shown that both domestic violence and financial stress have considerably increased in the roll out regions targeted by the Cashless Debit Card program. Can you please explain to people being directly impacted and to Australian voters, why you have not mentioned these negative impacts in any of your press on the Cashless Debit Card before, and what/if anything you are doing about this horrendous outcome, specifically for those families and individuals you have forced onto compulsory third party income management?”

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2022 9:13 am

    Russia suspended from United Nations human rights committee. Far more is required
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-08/united-nations-suspends-russia-from-human-rights-body/100975824

  98. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 8, 2022 9:54 am

    “zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz”

    This reply sounds like Dementia Joe. And probably for the same reasons.

  99. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 8, 2022 10:13 am

  100. April 8, 2022 10:34 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  101. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 8, 2022 11:30 am

    I also want to be licked and accepted but not everyone grasps my genius. They can go fuck themselves.

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2022 1:43 pm

    That’s a very good illustration of my philosophy. Thank you, I’ll display it widely

  103. Tom R permalink
    April 8, 2022 2:53 pm

    And probably for the same reasons.

    You bore the fuck out of POTUS?

  104. April 8, 2022 3:48 pm

    Whose fault is this?

    Qantas CEO Alan Joyce has blamed customers and staff shortages for the massive delays at Sydney Airport which saw queues snaking through a terminal and out the door this morning.

    Mr Joyce spoke at a press conference this morning and claimed customers are not “match fit” for flying after the COVID-19 pandemic caused many people not to travel.

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/sydney-airport-flights-delays-ceo-apologises-to-customers-for-long-lines-and-delays/3a7f9c68-480a-405e-a674-f209d0cb90db

    Didn’t happen in Menadue’s day. (And that’s a fact!) lol.

  105. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 8, 2022 4:17 pm

    You’ve missed the point again, Tom R. Maybe you also have dementia?

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2022 4:17 pm

    I also want to be licked and accepted but not everyone grasps my genius.

    So you do it yourself?

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2022 4:21 pm

    You’ve missed the point again

    Yer reckon?

    Yes, you are right …

    But with a limited grasp of being licked …

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2022 4:26 pm

    Ya kiddin’ me right?

    How many people continue to be paid by their employers after they are fired or retire?

    We really are being screwed by the “political class” (not a class act either)

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2022/04/08/former-pms-rack-up-allowance-bill/

  109. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 8, 2022 4:52 pm

    Allow me to assist, TB:

  110. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    April 8, 2022 5:59 pm

    I see Qantas boss Alan Joyce is blaming travellers for, ugh “travelling” and the 7-hour wait times when you contact the call centre.

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2022 6:03 pm

    During government ownership, Qantas was full of political appointments, but Menadue as CEO was about the worst.
    I only knew this by reputation and the moribund organisation it became as a result of his tenure. Even ALP types (and I used to be one of them) were embarassed by his efforts.
    Nothing like Alan Joyce

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2022 6:22 pm

    Allow me to assist, TB:

    Yes, you are right …

    Your comments speak volumes … of

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2022 6:27 pm

    During government ownership, Qantas

    Imagine this government owning QANTAS now … oh! Wait!

    Even ALP types (and I used to be one of them)

    And then you defected to the Dark Side …

    I’m sure TR has the appropriate vid … 😎

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2022 6:28 pm

    I see Qantas boss Alan Joyce is blaming travellers

    They’re all fkn Unionists!

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2022 6:37 pm

    SKY NEWS?

    Moscow has previously acknowledged its attack has not progressed as quickly as it wanted, but on Thursday Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov lamented the rising death toll.

    “We have significant losses of troops,” he told Sky News.

    https://inqld.com.au/news/2022/04/08/whos-sorry-now-russia-laments-huge-tragedy-in-ukraine/

  116. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    April 8, 2022 6:55 pm

    “During government ownership, Qantas was full of political appointments”

    Well, obviously.

    Now it’s just run by a WCP.

  117. April 8, 2022 7:57 pm

    A glance at the public record will show that Menadue was Private Secretary to Gough Whitlam, Leader of the Opposition, from 1960 to 1967. Then for a further seven years he was General Manager, News Limited, Sydney, publisher of ‘The Australian’. The good old days when The Australian was still a newspaper.

    From 74 to 76, he was head of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet. He worked for Prime Ministers Gough Whitlam and Malcolm Fraser before he was appointed Australian Ambassador to Japan.

    He returned to Australia in 1980 to take up the position of Head, Department of Immigration and Ethnic Affairs where he was active with Malcolm Fraser and Ian Macphee in the settlement of large numbers of Indo Chinese refugees in Australia. He was appointed Head of the Department of Trade in December 1983.

    Could go on but wont. Tom your bias is clearly on display.

    How embarrassing!

  118. April 8, 2022 8:02 pm

    Should be ‘won’t’ (will not) and not ‘wont’ (one’s customary behaviour).

  119. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 8, 2022 8:57 pm

    I know his bio. He also sought ALP preselection in 1967.
    And certainly Menadue downplays his Qantas job, for good reason. He was exceedingly ordinary.

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    April 8, 2022 10:14 pm

    He also sought ALP preselection in 1967.

    Half a century ago … move on …

  121. April 8, 2022 10:24 pm

    Re:

    Menadue downplays his Qantas job, for good reason.

    And you Tom downplay his reputation for ‘good reason’ or … ?

    But at a deeper and more significant level one is intrigued re ‘class location’ with the statement and I used to be one of them. Very, very interesting.

    Particularly when you speak of your ‘philosophy’?

    Shakes head. Can’t understand how one can be so shallow. Perhaps, something akin to a religious conversion? A drug addiction? Money? Mental decline? etc.

    Did you seek counselling?

  122. April 9, 2022 12:27 am

    Having Donald Spongey-Couch back would definitely ratchet down the Doomsday Clock!

    Tremendous Statesman, people have been sayin the most and Greatest, most Tremendous EVER!

    Understands where countries are.
    Never bows to Tyrants, or shakes their hands…definitely wouldn’t salute one.

    Unimpeachable character.

    Actual follower of some kind of god.

    Impossible to leverage.

    Only cares about the good of his fellow man.

    Intellegeurntly constructs sentences and has a strong grasp of logic, reason, morals, justice, credibility, Atlas’…and so on, and so forth.

    I want to nail my colours to that fucking mast!

    woot Woot

  123. April 9, 2022 12:29 am

    Also,hope you’re all well.

  124. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 9, 2022 7:51 am

    1. Yes MN, I observed the ugly, self interested machinations of the ALP, and decided it wasn’t the type of organisation that self respecting people should support
    2. Tom R, Menadue was an oddity at Qantas. It all just happened around him. You’ll note that he never details his accomplishments or legacy. After his appointment, there has been no non airline industry type appointed. He was more suited to the diplomatic cocktail circuit than to the hard work required to run an airline.
    3. Hello HD!

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2022 8:49 am

    G’day toylet, hope you and yours are well … all’s well here …

    Just took a lovely photo of a massive rainbow to the west of Brisbane … good omen I hope … rained liquid moonlight all fkn night again …

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    April 9, 2022 9:00 am

    If the Morriscum government is returned at the next election democracy is dying or actually dead in Australia … its been sick with the LNP virus for too long …

    I blame the enablers … and Robber Barons …

    It’s the first time the commission has been at risk of losing its A-status since international standards were set up almost 30 years ago.

    Greens senator Lidia Thorpe said the recent report indicated human rights in Australia were being undermined.
    ‘Deliberate meddling’

    “Scott Morrison and Attorney-General Michaelia Cash are blocking us from asserting our rights and dignities by deliberately meddling with the Australian Human Rights Commission,” she said in a statement.

    “The Australian Human Rights Commission ensures that we are treated as equals in our society regardless of who we are or where we come from.”

    The Law Council of Australia said it had been disappointed by the decision to defer the re-accreditation.

    The council’s president, Tass Liveris said the commission was a vital institution.

    “Institutions like the AHRC require transparent appointment processes and adequate funding in order to be able to carry out their responsibilities effectively,” she said.

    “Ensuring that this status is retained should be considered an important component of Australia’s global engagement on human rights issues.”

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2022/04/08/australian-human-rights-criticism/

  127. Tom R permalink
    April 9, 2022 11:01 am

    You’ll note that he never details his accomplishments or legacy.

    You mean like, sacking his workforce, and then blaming the passengers for the …. lack of a workforce?

    Nice to see you back toilet………………stuff. Hope things are going well for you down your neck of the woods. How is your daughter going? Have you ventured back up to the little smoke for a visit lately?

  128. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    April 9, 2022 1:58 pm

    Qantas appears to have been taken by surprise when everyone who had bought a ticket turned up.

    BUT IT’S THE CUSTOMERS’ FAULT…!

  129. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 9, 2022 3:27 pm

    If the Morriscum government is returned at the next election democracy is dying or
    actually dead in Australia … its been sick with the LNP virus for too long …

    I am not sure if human rights is a topic you should bring up.

    Remember Rudd/ALP locking up 50,000 boat people from 2008-2013?

    Remember Rudd/ALP locking up 8,469 children from 2008-2013?

    Remember Gillard sending young children to Manus Island in 2012 to be used as human shields so boat people stop sending kids on boats.

    I guess you forgot.

  130. April 9, 2022 5:02 pm

    Yes Neil “Gerry Hand was the immigration minister who, in 1992, introduced the controversial policy of mandatory detention for illegal arrivals and asylum seekers.”

    And this “mandatory detention ” policy has been adopted by both sides of the political aisle but do YOU think it’s a good policy/principle and why?

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 9, 2022 5:47 pm

    Actually Howard got it right. We stop the boats and take our refugees from UNHCR camps.

    There was almost nobody in detention in 2007. Christmas Island was called a White Elephant by Danby.

    If you put your foot down, boat people will stop coming. Then we can take our refugees from UNHCR camps like we did under Howard and the current Coalition govt

  132. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    April 9, 2022 6:39 pm

    “If you put your foot down, boat people will stop coming. “

    Yes, you are right. 🙄

  133. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 10, 2022 12:52 pm

    “Also, hope you’re all well.”

    Nice to hear from you, T-Boss. I hope you are well and happy. I don’t know about nailing your colours to your mast. Sounds painful. Have you ever dreamed you were in a shipwreck only to wake grasping your mast with seamen all around?

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2022 5:55 pm

    What more can you say …

  135. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 10, 2022 6:14 pm

    So we have 6 weeks of TB-
    * playing adverts from 1972
    * talking about the death of democracy and robber barons
    Tom R-
    * engaging in fascinating word play with Morrison’s name
    * saying “look over there!” whenever an ALP policy is under scrutiny
    ….but I’ve just been out for my jog, and someone around the corner has a huge Josh Frydenberg poster on their fence. It has been there for a couple of weeks.
    It seems to be defaced then replaced every 48 hours.
    Do the Monique Ryan fans believe they are persuading people to vote for her by being vandals?

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2022 6:58 pm

    And your point is …. 00000000000000000000000000

    Waht* is the point of your comments ……………………………..?

    It seems to be defaced then replaced every 48 hours.

    That’s what the Liberal Party do … clever … hey? Or just nasty politics …

  137. ivi permalink
    April 11, 2022 5:14 am

    (Waht* is the point of your comments

    We have 6 weeks of: ‘this election isn’t about me; it’s about you‘?)

  138. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 11, 2022 7:57 am

    “So we have 6 weeks of ………. “

    Sad but true. Their brains have been put into hibernation mode for the duration. Their tribal instinct glands are secreting socialism by the gallon. All you’ll get from these two is wall to wall ALP talking points which, I suspect, Tom R writes and TB feasts upon. In fact here is a picture of TB consuming some of Tom R’s output: https://i.ibb.co/M6jfBNX/Coprophagic-primate-http-uglyoverloadblogspotgr-monkey-eating-poop-Accessed.png

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2022 8:56 am

    Ahhh … Transactional Analysis … pretty easy to identify the child amongst us … actually a couple …

    Nice finish too ivi … big fan – and one on my own rep …

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2022 9:05 am

    RIP Chris Bailey – The Saints …

  141. April 11, 2022 9:16 am

    BUT LABOR…..!!!!!

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2022 9:29 am

    This actually sums up the Morriscum government and its inaction … and spin … and commitment

    Now, a senior government source told The Australian some in Mr Morrison’s camp believe two interviews with Sales could be overkill.

    “We like Leigh, but we were never going to commit to two interviews with 7.30 in the campaign. We wouldn’t commit two interviews to Paul Murray on Sky now either. That’s not to say we won’t do it, but we can’t commit just yet,” the source said.

    https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/federal-election-2022-live/news-story/89619b635ec0b54376b887e3554ab17f

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2022 9:52 am

    Remember this?

    How wrong he was and still is … lies and ignorance seem to be Snotty’s main traits

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/2022-moab-easter-jeep-safari-concepts-revealed/news-story/d533b89ad01a556e4b20ef14b037c791

  144. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 11, 2022 12:58 pm

    “RIP Chris Bailey – The Saints …”

    Tragic, TB.

  145. April 11, 2022 3:25 pm

    Joyce makes such good appointments.

    “happening to all of us”. “I left my passport in my hotel safe. One of my colleagues left her passport on a BA flight,” he said.

    “Another colleague last week thought that the gate number was her seat number and got them confused.

    https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/flights/aussies-object-to-claims-they-are-rusty-travellers-pointing-to-qantas-sackings/news-story/33199bbf257e93eac5ca64721aa0a237

    But wait. There’s a few other ‘facts’ which he didn’t cite.

    some Aussies were not buying the explanation, pointing out that Qantas sacked many employees in 2020 at the height of the pandemic, despite being the biggest beneficiary of the Federal Government’s JobKeeper program, securing around $1.6 billion in support.

    … “Qantas and Sydney Airports were incessant during the pandemic with demands that travel restrictions be lifted,” Crikey politics editor Bernard Keane tweeted.

    “When they finally were, both had decided they‘d rather enjoy extra profits by not employing the extra staff needed. Our time queuing is extra money for them.”

    Didn’t happen when Menadue was in charge.

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2022 4:51 pm

    Tragic, TB.

    Met them once … can’t remember where and god knows how we were on the same program – different music … like most musos, nice guys 😉

    He was way too young …

  147. April 11, 2022 4:59 pm

    So Tudge’s violent attacks on his then lover (the Lady in Red) have been settled for something north of half-a-million dollars and yet it is unknown whether he (The Fudge) is still a Minister or not.

    Might be another gotcha question for Albo?

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2022 5:32 pm

    So Albo didn’t know the unemployment rate!
    Albo is a big picture man. He has people that deal with those details

  149. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2022 5:42 pm

    So Albo didn’t know the unemployment rate!

    Which one. The one the libs changed after the pandemic hit, or the one that remained the same?

  150. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2022 5:46 pm

    I also note that morrison go the cash rate wrong, after being forewarned by the gotchas on albo.

    Gotchas is all we’ll be getting for a while.

    Also, why isn’t the media hammering home the lie morrison stated about tudge being demoted?

  151. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2022 5:56 pm

    And Menadue thought Qantas was the public service.
    “Good airline, bad business” was how he ran things. At least now we have someone who knows the importance of profitability

  152. April 11, 2022 6:14 pm

    About time the Media did their job and ceased auditions for ‘trivial pursuit’.

    Indeed, it might be argued that if any potential PM did know such answers then doubts should be raised re their strategic focus.

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2022 6:39 pm

    Tragic, TB.

    splats

    I have a photo of the first band my mate and I formed – upstairs (we built a two storey extension for an office – below – and visitor bedroom/ensuite above).

    I have a back injury from my m/mech /NS service days, so a half hour read on my ereader and on my (new – thanks to The Minister) vibrating chair (please don’t) helps a lot.

    After all that.

    The name of my band – 1965 – The Saints … red jerkins embroidered with, The Saint, stick man (remember the TV show?) and — black string ties, black pants and white (argh) socks … killer! 😎

    I remember talking to, Chris, about our (The Saints) three year “history” … We played at our local state retirement home, jails – Boggo Road, Palin Creek and institutes for the mentally ill … eye openers for young teenagers …

    The local RSL used to put an army blanket down in front of the 300mm high stage and patrons used to toss coins … actually good fun … and a sound foundation for what came later

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2022 6:42 pm

    About time the Media did their job …

    And learned to spell, grammatical expression, parsing and in particular common sayings …

    TGT has a classic … stupid … little own … hey, ToM

  155. April 11, 2022 6:51 pm

    Just on the “unemployment rate” and the subsequent ‘noise’.

    Some ‘measures’ (like the unemployment rate and the way it’s calculated) are less than ‘useful’, if not downright misleading.

    Yes it’s the same methodology used internationally but by itself it’s worse than useless. That one hour per week translates to being “employed” is a joke. Gives government a bad name.

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2022 6:53 pm

    I confess … I don’t know Menadue … never heard of him even when I flew QANTAS … (IT is all caps if you want to be the Grammar Police …) and it’s possibly because QANTAS flew well …

    Joyce came in and shifted the focus of our National Airline from service to PROFIT – at the expense of everything …

    Joyce has always run our airline as … “Good airline, bad business” … because his focus is on – profit at all costs … profit – people -profit – reputation – profit – management – profit – service – profit -clients -profit phucked!

    And Menadue thought Qantas was the public service.
    “Good airline, bad business” was how he ran things. At least now we have someone who knows the importance of profitability

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2022 6:54 pm

    MN permalink
    April 11, 2022 6:51 pm

    Indeed I agree again!

  158. Tony permalink
    April 11, 2022 7:22 pm

    On April 4th, Sportsbet odds on a coalition government were $3.20. Today they are $2.70.

    Albo is a piss weak campaigner.

  159. April 11, 2022 7:23 pm

    While I think ‘gotcha’ question are a nonsense, one has to be concerned that ALBO was trapped so easily and so early. Surely, his advisers could see that coming. If not, then get a new team.

    In media terms (pathetic as they maybe) Albo lost the day.

  160. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2022 7:53 pm

    one has to be concerned that ALBO was trapped so easily and so early

    Yes, it is pretty basic, and really, he should have known the dodgy unemployment rate would play a role in this campaign

  161. Tony permalink
    April 11, 2022 8:00 pm

    Elon Musk has declined a seat on twitter’s board. Apparently it would restrict the number of shares he could own.

  162. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    April 11, 2022 8:14 pm

    “On April 4th, Sportsbet odds on a coalition government were $3.20. Today they are $2.70.”

    I thought you didn’t believe Sportsbet.

    Or do you just lavish in it when it suits your ideology.

  163. Tony permalink
    April 11, 2022 8:22 pm

    I thought you didn’t believe Sportsbet.

    Did you? Sportsbet’s my main betting account (and the one I used to back the coalition last election), so there’s that.

  164. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    April 11, 2022 8:39 pm

    One minute you’re dissing Sportsbet (as the predictor of an election outcome) the next you’re using it to to claim that Albo is “a piss weak campaigner”

    I’m simply pointing out the contradiction in your “logic” ’tis all.

  165. Tony permalink
    April 11, 2022 8:52 pm

    One minute you’re dissing Sportsbet (as the predictor of an election outcome) the next you’re using it to to claim that Albo is “a piss weak campaigner”

    Yeah, I think your memory is failing you. Maybe you can provide some kind of evidence. A link, perhaps?

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2022 9:31 pm

    Yeah, I think your memory is failing you.

    Aw god, get used to it reb…

  167. Tom R permalink
    April 11, 2022 10:39 pm

    Aw god, get used to it reb…

    Used to what?

  168. Tony permalink
    April 12, 2022 7:05 am

    What I am saying is the betting markets got it wrong last time (along with just about every other ‘expert’), and maybe they have it wrong this time (so far). I’m also saying markets react to events, like for example Albanese guessing unemployment is 5.4 percent when it is actually 4 percent, thus displaying his ineptness at campaigning.

  169. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2022 9:29 am

    The only thing we can know for sure. The next 6 weeks is going to be putrid.

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2022 10:18 am

    Used to what?

    Clarification … ageism … especially from those who are not at all young themselves … 😎

    The next 6 weeks is going to be … putrider* than the last nine years …

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2022 10:22 am

    … thus displaying his ineptness at campaigning.

    Agree, ToSY, very unprofessional of, Albo, at least he didn’t blame someone else, or say he didn’t mean it, or it was a joke … and he apologised almost immediately …

    I’d bet every Guttertrasher would have answered immediately and correctly … so what about The Guttertrash Party? (that’s if Mrs Palmer’s son hasn’t registered the name. 😎

  172. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2022 10:35 am

    … putrider* than the last nine years …

    I stand corrected 😉

    Clarification … ageism

    I debated over using a sarc tag, but sometimes these things work better without 😉

    I’d bet every Guttertrasher would have answered immediately and correctly

    I love how it’s front page stories, but they don’t mention that morrison got the interest rate(?) wrong also, and that was after he had been forewarned

    Like I said, it’s going to be along 6 weeks

  173. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 12, 2022 10:55 am

    “(please don’t)” Not fair!

    I like the stories about music, TB. And I’m old enough to have watched The Saint the first time around.

    As to the other Saints, just now I was shocked to read that “Know Your Product” didn’t chart! I thought it was their best song.

  174. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2022 11:07 am

    Springsteen knew what their best song was 😉

  175. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2022 11:13 am

    The front pages for tomorrow are just writing themselves [sarc]

  176. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 12, 2022 4:10 pm

    “Springsteen knew what their best song was”

    He probably did. But he didn’t record it because he knew he couldn’t improve it.

  177. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2022 4:27 pm

    imo, he didn’t improve on the one he did cover, but it is a nice version of it 😉

  178. Tony permalink
    April 12, 2022 4:35 pm

    I only ever knew The Saints by ‘I’m Stranded’, but I did come actoss this while snooping around the innerwebs: http://www.saintsmusic.com/

  179. Tom R permalink
    April 12, 2022 5:19 pm

    I miss the glossy old web pages 😦

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2022 6:09 pm

    I miss the glossy old web pages

    Ya poor old thing … see what I mean? 😎

    I want to know why pollies think they can create 1.3 millyun jobs and no one – no one questions it …

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2022 6:10 pm

    I only ever knew The Saints I didn’t know ’em at all …

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2022 6:13 pm

    I like the stories about music, TB

    Did I tell you about the time The Bits ‘n’ Pieces played on the same program as MPD (if you remember Mike, Pete and Denny)

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mpd+band

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2022 6:16 pm

    Answers my question @

    TB Queensland permalink
    April 12, 2022 6:09 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/12/factcheck-did-the-coalition-create-19-million-jobs-will-it-create-13-million-more

  184. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 13, 2022 7:53 am

    TB, I can’t remember them. Was it this lot? They had Caruso as lead singer.

  185. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2022 9:39 am

    Inclusion can only go so far. There will be a time when transgender women hold a range of world titles and records.
    People will ask how it got to this. Through puberty males gain size and strength, the fact is they are generally stronger and faster then women following puberty.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-11/scott-morrison-liberal-candidate-transgender-women-sports/100982148

  186. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 13, 2022 10:09 am

  187. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2022 10:44 am

    Apparently the libs are going to create over a million jobs

    They just didn’t specify which country they would be creating them in 😉

  188. April 13, 2022 11:11 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  189. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2022 12:15 pm

    I have just spent my first week on TPGs Home Wireless broadband. It works OK so now i have left the NBN. I am getting 22Mbps download and 3Mbps upload.

    The advantage is i get unlimited downloads for the same price. The downside is i have lost my landline.

    It works on the 4G thingy. When 5G comes in i may get better speeds.

    But i was only getting 11Mbps anyway on TPGs NBN12 plan with the NBN

  190. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2022 12:57 pm

    so now i have left the NBN

    Words fail me …. 😦

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2022 12:59 pm

    Feel for ya, bro … 😎

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2022 1:04 pm

    The right-wing conservative shock jocks haven’t wasted time (still 9 years practise) …

    The move has prompted a fiery response from 2GB’s Ray Hadley, who claimed the Labor Leader was copying the same plan used by Kevin Rudd in 2007.

    ………………….

    But Sky News host Andrew Bolt said taxpayers should not be paying for “bias” coverage.
    State of the Nation Survey

    “Last night the ABC ran probably the most shameless, savage and bias smear of the prime minister and his government that I have ever seen,” Bolt said.

    …………………

    Despite Anthony Albanese’s long career in politics, he has been labelled by some as something of an unknown quantity. On news.com.au’s podcast I’ve Got News For You, political editor Samantha Maiden offers her analysis of the Opposition leader, whose party has held a lead in the polls in the last six months.

    Mr Albanese does not have much experience outside politics, says Samantha Maiden.

    Chuckle …

  193. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2022 1:05 pm

    “”” Words fail me …. “”

    Please explain?

  194. April 13, 2022 1:16 pm

    “Please explain?”

    😆

  195. April 13, 2022 1:23 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  196. Walrus permalink
    April 13, 2022 1:27 pm

    “The downside is i have lost my landline.”

    Thoughts and Prayers…………..

  197. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2022 2:20 pm

    Please explain?

    I’d like to, truly, but it would involve the use of some basic words, which is where I feel we would end up back where we began.

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2022 2:26 pm

    Always good fun …

    https://votecompass.abc.net.au/

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2022 2:28 pm

    Thoughts and Prayers…………..

    Well, Well its Wally! G’day stranger … 😎

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2022 2:32 pm

    I’d like to, truly, but it would involve the use of some basic words …

    Psst, TR. Use the best tag, reb, ever had … “I’ve run out of time and crayons © … ”

    “Truly”? 🙄

  201. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2022 2:40 pm

    “I’ve run out of time and crayons” sans © 😉

  202. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2022 3:27 pm

    Thoughts and Prayers…………..

    I was worried about losing my landline not because i use it but every now and then i misplace my mobile phone and need to ring it to find out where it is.

    But i have an account with google and i found out they have a “” find my device “” option. So with my computer i can ring my mobile to find out where it is.

    So goodbye NBN, hello Home Wireless

  203. Walrus permalink
    April 13, 2022 3:58 pm

    “I was worried about losing my landline not because i use it but every now and then i misplace my mobile phone…”

    Oh for fuck sake just buy yourself a fruit bowl

  204. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2022 4:02 pm

    Walrus

    Why the nasty comment? I was worried about losing my landline because i use it once/year when i have misplaced my mobile.

    But i found a way if you have a google account to ring my mobile using my computer.

    But i think Home Wireless is a danger to the NBN

  205. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2022 4:05 pm

    But i think Home Wireless is a danger to the NBN

    There is no way the word ‘think’ should be included in that sentence!

  206. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2022 4:11 pm

    TomR

    Rather than talk in riddles just spit it out.

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2022 4:18 pm

    Rather than talk in riddles just spit it out.

    LOL!

    Could you pass the popcorn please … haven’t read a good comedy for years!

  208. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2022 4:22 pm

    It’s a simple concept nil, I mean, you could fit it onto the back of a coaster to explain it to someone, if they had a firing synapses

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2022 4:23 pm

    Does Kneel do it on purpose or is it someone else….

  210. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 13, 2022 4:31 pm

    “Why the nasty comment?”

    Because you so richly deserve it, you stupid autistic cunt! You are like Mr Bean but without an ounce of humour about you. You are just excruciatingly dumb and utterly impervious to reason. You bang on about the same things ad nauseum, like that anyone who voted for Rudd is evil.

    I’m against casual torture, Neil, but, such is your capacity to be egregiously annoying, you have convinced me that it might have its place.

  211. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2022 4:39 pm

    Splatterbum

    I made a comment that i lost my landline by joining Home Wireless and then got a nasty comment from Walrus

    I do not get the nasty comment i received

    PS TomR Just spit it out. Do not give me links. Just give me a one sentence comment about what your point is. Do not give me a this may help link

  212. Walrus permalink
    April 13, 2022 4:40 pm

    Could Monty Python write this today ?

    Judith : [on Stan’s desire to be a mother] Here! I’ve got an idea: Suppose you agree that he can’t actually have babies, not having a womb – which is nobody’s fault, not even the Romans’ – but that he can have the *right* to have babies.

    Francis : Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother… sister, sorry.

    Reg : What’s the *point*?

    Francis : What?

    Reg : What’s the point of fighting for his right to have babies, when he can’t have babies?

    Francis : It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.

    Reg : It’s symbolic of his struggle against reality.

    Francis : Why are you always on about women, Stan?

    Stan : I want to be one.

    Reg : What?

    Stan : I want to be a woman. From now on, I want you all to call me ‘Loretta’.

    Reg : What?

    Stan : It’s my right as a man.

    Judith : Well, why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?

    Stan : I want to have babies.

    Reg : You want to have babies?

    Stan : It’s every man’s right to have babies if he wants them.

    Reg : But… you can’t have babies!

    Stan : Don’t you oppress me!

    Reg : I’m not oppressing you, Stan! You haven’t got a womb! Where’s the foetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?

    Stan : [starts to cry]

    Reg : Listen, the only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People’s Front.

    Judith , Stan , Francis : [Murmurs of agreement and “splitters”]

    Francis : And the Judean Popular People’s Front.

    Reg , Judith , Stan : [More enthusiastic agreements]

    Stan : And the People’s Front of Judea!

    Reg : [Agreements stop suddenly] What?

    Stan : The People’s Front of Judea, splitters!

    Reg : We’re the People’s Front of Judea!

    Stan : Oh! I thought we were the Popular Front.

    Reg : People’s Front!

    Francis : Whatever happened to the Popular Front, eh?

    Reg : [Indicating a man sitting by himself] He’s over there.

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2022 4:47 pm

    You are like Mr Bean but without an ounce of humour about you.

    Aw c’mon, splats … I couldn’t see my computer for laughing … the tears, the tears!

    +++++++++++++++++++

    This ‘might’ help?

    Ya think? TR

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2022 4:52 pm

    Could Monty Python write this today ?

    And what about the messiah?

  215. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2022 4:57 pm

    you stupid autistic cunt

    Quite frankly FUCK OFF!

    Do not associate autistic people with stupid, ignorant fucks like nil. All you do is expose your own blind ignorance!

  216. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2022 5:11 pm

    Putin has vowed that Russia won’t bend to the sanctions , and has the support of the Belarussian president!
    What a powerful trading partnership!
    Russia with a GDP the size of Australia’s and Belarus with one about a quarter the size of New Zealand’s!
    That should teach the west a lesson!

  217. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2022 5:13 pm

    Dear People

    I made a comment after not being here for a while. All i got was abuse. I got

    “” Thoughts and Prayers…………..””

    “” I’d like to, truly, but it would involve the use of some basic words, which is where I feel we would end up back where we began.””

    “” Psst, TR. Use the best tag, reb, ever had … “I’ve run out of time and crayons © …””

    “” It’s a simple concept nil, I mean, you could fit it onto the back of a coaster to explain it to someone, if they had a firing synapses””

    “”This ‘might’ help?””

    Guys just spit it out. I do not get it.

    What is wrong with my Home Wireless comments?? Just give me a sentence or two not a link.

  218. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2022 5:30 pm

    People

    Once again i do not get it. After not posting here for a week or so i made an announcement that i have left the NBN and joined TPGs Home Wireless broadband.

    I then got nothing but verbal abuse.

    I do not get it?

    I mentioned i lost my landline and then Walrus said this

    “” Oh for fuck sake just buy yourself a fruit bowl “”

    I live on planet earth.

    What planet do you people live on?

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2022 6:02 pm

    Do not associate autistic people with stupid, ignorant fucks like nil

    I agree …

  220. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    April 13, 2022 6:06 pm

    “if they had a firing synapses”

    😆

  221. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    April 13, 2022 6:08 pm

    “I agree …

    So do I.

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2022 6:08 pm

    However, autistic people (in my understanding) have a different view of the world we all live in … and they often have a special/unique talent/trait …

    Are we missing something here?

    I have been as frustrated as anyone … but Kneel IS a part of TGT now … maybe some more detailed communication IS needed …

    Just sayin’ …

  223. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    April 13, 2022 6:16 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  224. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    April 13, 2022 6:18 pm

    BREAKING: Liberals tend to bigoted hate-filled arseholes. Who knew…?

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  225. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2022 6:18 pm

    I wouldn’t worry about it Neil. They’re “landline” people.
    The same ones that worry about what’s printed in an actual newspaper.
    They think it’s 1973, and they probably wish it was.

  226. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2022 6:27 pm

    Monty Python would get the JK Rowling treatment for that type of humour

  227. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2022 6:36 pm

    Tom of Melbourne

    Being a human obviously i have an ulterior motive. Do you know what that is? Neither do i.

    I wanted to change the topic from politics to the internet. I decided to get rid of my NBN connection and sign up to TPGs Home Wireless network

    I am now getting 22 Mbps download and 3 Mbps upload for the same price as TPGs NBN12 plan that i was on. Plus i get unlimited downloads compared to 100GB under my old plan

    So far no problems.

    Except for the abuse i got from posters on this site.

  228. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2022 6:45 pm

    I should have known yomm would be in the ;thick’ of it with nil.

    I’ll try and be concise nil. Read this slowly

    The National Broadband Network provides the “Network” to supply “Broadband” to the “Nation”, using a variety of technologies, that were all listed in my link, and include wired, wireless and Satellite.

    Does this clear anything up at all?

  229. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2022 6:55 pm

    TomR

    Ok Thanks. Why did it take so long to spit it out. Why make 20 posts when you could make just one?

    So my 4G mobile broadband connection works on the NBN??

  230. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2022 9:22 pm

    OK i made my post at 12.15PM about my first week on TPGs Home Wireless

    Wow then look at the abuse i got.

    Splatterbum said this

    “” Because you so richly deserve it, you stupid autistic cunt! “”

    Because i left the NBN and joined TPGs Home Wireless

    Are you people real??

  231. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2022 9:55 pm

    Are you people real?

    nil, this was painstakingly described years ago when the libs were busy trashing Labors NBN. mobile is cool, and handy, but … it relies on a robust, fixed network to do most of the heavy lifting. It is for ‘last mile’ delivery, that’s what you’re seeing. How else do you think your meaningless diatribes reaches everyone else who is NOT on a 5G wireless connection?

    So yes, you copped shit, because, again, you have been told this information, MANY times, and yet remain an insipid rock of ignorance, immune to all outside stimulus, unless it has been filtered through murdochs dumbassltd meters

    Personally, I think you got of lightly 😉

  232. April 13, 2022 10:09 pm

    Tom, you have a history of employing the ‘false equivalence’ concept, and when it comes to comparing Russia and Australia you (for some strange reason) make reference to GDP.

    Perhaps, there are other more ‘useful’ concepts you might consider. Here’s a relevant selection.

    Russia possesses approximately 6,000 nuclear warheads as of 2022—the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world. Nearly half of the world’s 12,700 nuclear weapons are owned by Russia; by comparison, the United States has about 4000 weapons.

    Australia has zero. Not a one! And size of GDP seems irrelevant if things go really bad. Further, re nuclear submarines:

    The Russian Navy operates 10 nuclear-powered nuclear-armed ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs) of two classes: five Delta IV (Project 667BRDM) and five Borei (Project 955), two of which are improved Borei-A (Project 955A) submarines.23 Feb 2022

    Australia has zero. And that’s likely to be the case for the foreseeable future.

    Can you see what concept might be be more relevant at the moment, particularly if things get really desperate? The concept of MAD is in play. And maybe Putin is really nuts.

    Perhaps Australia (The loyal Deputy Sheriff) might be used as an example re what can happen if people get ahead of themselves and the voting citizens of the USA need a reminder.

    What say you?

  233. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 13, 2022 10:15 pm

    nil, this was painstakingly described years ago when the libs were busy trashing Labors NBN.

    Get stuffed. Labors FTTP NBN requires an underground conduit and most homes do not
    have one

    I have been told that if no changes were made half the country would have FTTP and the other half would have ADSL ie the old system. Better to have a inferior system up and running rather than Rolls Royce version not finished until 20 years in the future

    I was one of the lucky ones who got fibre ie FTTP and had 11MBps on TPGs NBN 12 plan

    I am now getting 22Mbps with Home Wireless after i ditched the NBN

    Please go away and try and deceive somebody else

    PS Once again for the dummies,, i Have FTTP and was getting 11Mbps on TPGs NBN12 plan

  234. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2022 10:27 pm

    Yes MN, apparently you’re the type that thinkd nuclear weapons are required to get attention.
    That’s great. Let’s get some and take our place at the table of countries that the world listens to.

  235. Tom R permalink
    April 13, 2022 10:31 pm

    I have been told

    Consider having been told one more time

  236. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 13, 2022 10:33 pm

    And how about we double our defence spending, so that other countries will pay attention!

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    April 13, 2022 10:43 pm

    I am now getting 22Mbps with Home Wireless after i ditched the NBN

    WOW! I get 100mbps … and could get 250mbps … wireless … nah

  238. Tony permalink
    April 14, 2022 3:35 am

    Uh oh! Labor is now $2.40, down from $2.70 a couple of days ago. Albo’s ‘events’ continue to move the markets.

  239. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    April 14, 2022 8:19 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  240. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 14, 2022 8:33 am

    1. Given that the ALP have jobs as (just about) their top priority, Albo was politically negligent in not knowing the unemployment rate.
    2. Should we use Russia’s standard of diplomacy and bomb the Solomon Islands?

  241. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 14, 2022 9:06 am

    Tom R: “Quite frankly FUCK OFF!

    Do not associate autistic people with stupid, ignorant fucks like nil. All you do is expose your own blind ignorance!”

    No. You can FUCK RIGHT OFF See I can do caps too and bold to boot!

    It’s like this: if I call you a ‘stupid leftist cunt’ I’m saying three things about you. ‘Stupid’ and ‘cunt’ are insults and the third, leftist, is a neutral descriptor of your political leanings. I’m not saying leftists are stupid and I’m not saying anything about other leftists. Capiche?

  242. Tom R permalink
    April 14, 2022 9:51 am

    Albo’s ‘events’

    Pretty sure it’s singular, ie, ‘event’ 😉

    Capiche

    Yes, you are a rancid fuckwit, stay FUCKED OFF. There is nothing ‘neutral’ in what you said, and you know it.

  243. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 14, 2022 9:55 am

    Yes. You are right.

  244. Tom R permalink
    April 14, 2022 10:32 am

    Thank you splatter. Perhaps not right, I should not have been quite so reactive.

    You may note, I’m a little triggered, but I have only recently been made aware myself of the depth and spread of autism, and how it manifests in so many ways, many of them quite beautiful and wonderful of itself. And also how difficult it is to for someone to exist in our society who possesses a form of autism.

    I do appreciate your acknowledgment, and apologise for being … a little reactive.

  245. Tony permalink
    April 14, 2022 10:44 am

    Pretty sure it’s singular, ie, ‘event’ 😉

    Pretty sure every time ‘the alternative prime minister’ (god help us🙏) speaks is an event – therefore ‘events’, plural.

  246. Tom R permalink
    April 14, 2022 10:58 am

    What else has he said that is so stupid? (Yes, the unemployment one was)

    They are still talking about it though, some saying it will cost him the election (lol) So, what else could have triggered it?

  247. Tony permalink
    April 14, 2022 11:56 am

    What else has he said that is so stupid?

    Were his lips moving?

  248. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2022 12:14 pm

    Only a matter of time (minutes?) for the next gaffe/lie/deception from Snotty The Caretaker … how many fkn week have we got?

    Seriously heading Greens this time round …

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2022 12:14 pm

    s

  250. Tom R permalink
    April 14, 2022 12:23 pm

    Seriously heading Greens this time round …

    You can imagine Albos smart ass reply in the likes of Bandts. He probably would have said “Bing it!”

  251. Tony permalink
    April 14, 2022 12:35 pm

    Seriously heading Greens this time round …

    Anyone voting greens is seriously unserious. (Yes, I know you said heading, not voting, in case you want to play semantic games.)

  252. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2022 12:43 pm

    Me? — play semantic games, why, ToSY, you flatter me … 😎

    Anyone voting greens is seriously unserious

    So, I shouldn’t consider the Greens? Just vote for Snotty From Wharehousing? And keep the BS coming? 😲

  253. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 14, 2022 1:15 pm

    The Greens have motherhood statements rather than policies.
    Sweeping statements without details

  254. April 14, 2022 2:03 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  255. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 14, 2022 2:41 pm

    Its the lesbians, stupid:

  256. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 14, 2022 2:52 pm

    It’s funny!
    When I’ve said to TB or Tom R or reb, they should Google it, that’s unacceptable to them

  257. Tom R permalink
    April 14, 2022 3:26 pm

    LINQUE!

  258. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    April 14, 2022 3:54 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  259. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 14, 2022 3:58 pm

    Given the way Morrison has screwed up, it is Albanese’s election to lose. Eachway is showing every prospect of doing just that.

    Morrison-mocking memes are all the rage among the tittering classes. I’m not sure they have much effect on the ordinary folk.

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2022 4:12 pm

    The Greens have motherhood statements rather than policies.
    Sweeping statements without details

    So, like the LNP without the corruption?

    And what’s wrong with motherhood!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    tittering classes ? Is that a subject in catholic schools?

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2022 4:22 pm

    I’m travelling with Scott Morrison and we haven’t met a real voter yet

    Michael Read (great surname for a journo)

    https://t.co/5Rg7hQnoEM

  262. April 14, 2022 4:26 pm

    Albo sat back, kept a low profile and let Morrison destroy himself (almost) but it’s now a whole new ball game and if Albo doesn’t start kicking a few goals we will witness another miracle.

    Yes it’s early days but …

  263. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    April 14, 2022 5:23 pm

    Favourite election exchange so far:

    PM: ‘I haven’t finished my answer’.

    Reporter: ‘You haven’t started it.’

  264. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2022 6:12 pm

    Not an ABC reporter, reb?

    Hey! Lynx!

  265. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 14, 2022 6:28 pm

    WOW! I get 100mbps … and could get 250mbps … wireless … nah

    Why do you need such speeds?

    I still do not understand the abuse i got just because i left the NBN and joined TPGs Home Wireless.

    My NBN box on the wall now looks a bit like a dinosaur. In its place a have a cute Cube 3 modem which only needs a power point.

    I am now getting 22Mbps download with Home Wireless compared to 11Mbps with the NBN. It uses the 4G network which TomR says needs the NBN. Is this true?

  266. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2022 6:30 pm

    https://inqld.com.au/insights/2022/04/14/kingdom-come-the-mayor-his-spiritual-advisor-and-the-texts-that-come-directly-from-god/

    Fuck … not another one … sick, sick, sick!

    Controlled by kindy kids and fairy-tale believers everywhere!

  267. April 14, 2022 6:30 pm

    The Drum (ABC) tonight is an absolute disgrace. Four of the worst ‘guests’ ever.

  268. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2022 6:32 pm

    My NBN box on the wall

    What?

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2022 6:36 pm

    I still do not understand the abuse i got just because i left the NBN …

    It’s you sad misunderstanding of how the internet works … after many explanations here … by a number of people …

    This may help …

    https://www.finder.com.au/switch-to-mobile-or-stay-nbn

  270. April 14, 2022 6:37 pm

    Yes TB, and Tom’s opened a “prayer room” as well. And we know what they are used for.

  271. TB Queensland permalink
    April 14, 2022 6:42 pm

    The Drum (ABC) tonight is an absolute disgrace. Four of the worst ‘guests’ ever.

    The Minister likes to watch The Drum late … I squirm (a couple of nights ago they were saying Australia does not have emission control laws for vehicles – I was training people in the 1970’s as a Service Engineer, how to measure exhaust emissions to comply with ADR’s Australian Design Rules) … ignorance … most shows are the same … opinions ain’t good enough …

    The “guests” are never … end rant!

  272. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 14, 2022 6:43 pm

    TB

    What is your point? Why do you lefties feel the need to speak in riddles??

    My NBN box which i used connect my landline and TPG modem is now longer used. It is a dinosaur.

    In its place i have a cute Cube 3 modem.

  273. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2022 8:18 am

    Elon Musk wants to buy all Twitter shares and take the company private.

    There are 800,641,166 shares on issue. He already owns 73,115,038 (9.1%), so wants to buy the remaining 727,526,128 at $54.20 per share = $39,431,916,137.60, valuing the company at $43.4 billion. His reasons are summed up in his letter to the board:

    I invested in Twitter as I believe in its potential to be the platform for free speech around the globe, and I believe free speech is a societal imperative for a functioning democracy.

    However, since making my investment I now realize the company will neither thrive nor serve this societal imperative in its current form. Twitter needs to be transformed as a private company.

    As a result, I am offering to buy 100% of Twitter for $54.20 per share in cash, a 54% premium over the day before I began investing in Twitter and a 38% premium over the day before my investment was publicly announced. My offer is my best and final offer and if it is not accepted, I would need to reconsider my position as a shareholder.

    Twitter has extraordinary potential. I will unlock it.

    https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/0001418091/000110465922045641/tm2212748d1_sc13da.htm

  274. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2022 9:14 am

    https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a6833/420-meaning-0110/

  275. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    April 15, 2022 9:15 am

    What do you think his plans are ToSY?

    Maybe turn it into a subscriber pays model…?

  276. Tony permalink
    April 15, 2022 10:06 am

    Maybe turn it into a subscriber pays model…?

    I doubt it. Revenue would still come from advertising, but his aim would be to attract multiple times the current user numbers. He is a self-described “free speech absolutist”, so you won’t have people getting banned for expressing the ‘wrong’ opinion.

  277. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    April 15, 2022 12:46 pm

    I see.

  278. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 16, 2022 3:49 pm

    It’s you sad misunderstanding of how the internet works … after many explanations here … by a number of people …

    TB

    Rather than give me a link why don’t you spend some time and then make the point you are trying to make? You should be able to do it in one or two sentences.

    So far with TPGs Home Wireless i am getting better speeds and unlimited downloads compared to the 100GB i got with TPGs NBN12 plan.

    When 5G comes in that may be the end of the NBN

  279. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 16, 2022 3:54 pm

    He is a self-described “free speech absolutist”, so you won’t have people getting banned for expressing the ‘wrong’ opinion.

    The fact that Twitter banned President Trump shows which side of politics they support. They never would have banned a Democrat President.

    I must admit the Australia i grew up in is totally different to the Australia i meet online.

  280. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2022 4:40 pm

    The 1850’s could be difficult I imagine.

  281. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 16, 2022 4:43 pm

    TB

    Once again you fail. Just spit it out. OK i admit i am not that smart. So you have to be a little more understanding with me.

    What is you point?

  282. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2022 6:13 pm

    What is you point?

    Sentence 1.: One a number of occasions you have had explained to you things (including the NBN) that you just don’t believe … because of your obsession with being anti Labor …

    Sentence 2.: Personally I’m sick of your burbling about kiddies being locked up by the Labor government … but no mention of the LENGTH of time people, particularly innocent children were held in detention by a succession of LNP governments …

    Simply put … we (I think most people will agree) get tired of telling you the same thing ad nauseum … only to have silly comments like the ones above …

    Google is good!

  283. TB Queensland permalink
    April 16, 2022 6:15 pm

    PS I’ve failed at many things in my life … you telling me as no impact at all …

    I bet if I was successful you wouldn’t type a thing …

  284. April 16, 2022 6:20 pm

    At his Press Conference today, Morrison defended ‘sports-rorts’ etc by claiming that it was the (proper) role of (elected) Ministers to make decisions re ‘spending’ and not (unelected) bureaucrats.

    It’s a view of government (publicly) shared also by Joyce and Gladys.

    And to be fair, it’s a ‘common sense’ understanding advanced by many backbenchers on both sides of the aisle. One hopes that the Inquiry conducted by the NSW ICAC will discuss this crucial issue when it reports on Gladys.

  285. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 16, 2022 6:34 pm

    TB

    You failed again. I raised some points and you did not address them. I guess because you cannot.

    TomR says the 4g mobile network which my Home Wireless broadband connection works on needs the NBN. Is this true?

    OK i admit i do not know. Does my Home Wireless broadband connection need the NBN?

  286. April 16, 2022 6:37 pm

    Labor’s promise to legislate an “integrity Commission” (or equivalent) by Christmas should be welcomed. Not only for ‘sports-rorts’ etc but also taking a hard look re appointments (and reappointments) to AFTs (Administrative Affairs Tribunals).

    But perhaps that’s hoping for far too much.

  287. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 16, 2022 6:41 pm

    At his Press Conference today, Morrison defended ‘sports-rorts’ etc by claiming that it was the (proper) role of (elected) Ministers to make decisions re ‘spending’ and not (unelected) bureaucrats

    If that is what he said i agree with that. WE do not want Public Servants running the country.

    If Ministers make the wrong decision the blood is on their hands.

    Brendon Nelson as Defence Minister ordered the Super Hornets against PS advice. You should have seen the abuse he got on Tim Dunlops blog back in 2007 because Nelson ordered the Hornets

    After winning govt Labor said what a great idea it was but never apologised for the abuse they gave Brendon Nelson

  288. April 16, 2022 7:17 pm

    Re – “make the wrong decision the blood is on their hands”

    And what is the penalty for having this “blood on their hands”?

    Remember Ministers (as Ministers) are NOT elected by Citizens. Instead, they are appointed by the PM of the day. And if they get “blood on their hands” in one area, they can be appointed to another.

    (Who has ‘blood on their hands’ re the $5 billion spent (wasted) on French submarines that sunk before they even left the drawing board? Turnbull. Dutton, Morrison, Payne, Pyne … ?)

  289. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 16, 2022 7:31 pm

    “”And what is the penalty for having this “blood on their hands”?””

    I guess it may be reported by the media. But if they have a conscience which i doubt they may suffer from that.

    But with all its problems it is better to have elected Ministers making decisions rather than unelected bureaucrats.

    As for the subs there was no rorting. The Coalition made the wrong choice. I suspect because of Turnbull. If Abbott was PM i think we would have gone with the Japanese diesel subs.

    Turnbull was a disaster for the Coalition and Australia.

  290. April 16, 2022 7:50 pm

    Re – “better to have elected Ministers making decisions rather than unelected … ”

    Should that “principle” be universalized to include decisions to be made by (unelected) ‘Judges’, ‘Doctors’, ‘Engineers’, etc?

    If not – then why not?

  291. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 16, 2022 7:56 pm

    MN

    So you think the unelected bureaucrats should be running the country? So let us get rid of Ministers and let the PS run the country.

    Not sure what Judges, Doctors, Engineers has anything to do with that.

  292. April 16, 2022 8:34 pm

    NoS, governments can be seen to have three ‘arms’ or ‘functions’. Legislative function (there to ‘make the laws’.) Executive function (there to ‘administer the law’.) And Judicial function (there to ‘judge’ when disputes arise.)

    When it comes to ‘law making’ Ministers are not experts. They rely on ‘parliamentary counsel’ (public servants) to advise them (broadly defined.) ‘Parliamentary counsel’ are NOT elected but are there to ensure that proposed laws will ‘work’. That the proposed law will not conflict with other laws.

    When it comes to administering the law, again Ministers are not experts. They rely on public servants to do the actual administration. (To recruit, to develop procedures, to pay, to regulate, to recruit, …

    Then there’s the judicial function. Experts one and all.

    NoS – fact is Ministers, individually and collectively, come and go on a regular basis but the business of government goes on and on. Try doing that without …

  293. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 16, 2022 8:40 pm

    When it comes to administering the law, again Ministers are not experts. They rely on public servants to do the actual administration. (To recruit, to develop procedures,
    to pay, to regulate, to recruit, …

    OK you have just told me Ministers should just do what they are told. Right?

  294. April 16, 2022 8:58 pm

    Re: ” Ministers should just do what they are told. Right?”

    NO! NEVER! When it’s all said and done, Ministers are ‘accountable’. They, and they alone, must be accountable. Therefore, THEY (alone) must choose. That’s the system of government we have.

    During the recent pandemic, Ministers attempted to hide their ultimate accountability behind the medical ADVICE. And while wise Ministers should listen to advice, the final decision making (the accountability) must always reside with them.

  295. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 16, 2022 11:25 pm

    NO! NEVER! When it’s all said and done, Ministers are ‘accountable’. They, and they alone, must be accountable. Therefore, THEY (alone) must choose. That’s the system of government we have.

    I agree.

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2022 9:22 am

    And to be fair, it’s a ‘common sense’ understanding …

    More groupthink, I would think … common sense is a nonsensical term … no-one has commonsense, or is it common-sense … if only everyone even knew how to spell the word … in short common sense does not exist …

  297. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2022 9:30 am

    So let us get rid of Ministers and let the PS run the country.

    Great idea!

    Not sure what Judges, Doctors, Engineers has anything to do with that.

    ah, Kneel, because they are all trained and qualified to make a knowledgeable/skilled/experienced decision … check out the skills … experience … knowledge of ministers from the PM down …

    Wikepedia is a good start …

    Then dig deeper for the BS.

    Our local whizz bang representative claims to be a small business holder … when his old man retired he buggered a well known and thriving business …

  298. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2022 9:33 am

    I agree.

    Think someone missed the ADVICE bit

    So much for common sense …

  299. April 17, 2022 3:28 pm

    When Morrison first called his Public Service CEOs together, he told them their primary role was to implement government policy (and not to provide advice ). Needless to say, there was many a raised eyebrow.

    Didn’t take too long before his inexperience came to the fore when faced with economic hurdles brought on by COVID 19. Almost immediately he (wisely or desperately?) turned to Steven Kennedy who heads the Department of the Treasury and was appointed by Morrison. Kennedy by the way had worked for Rudd in an advisory capacity.

    As Head of Treasury, Kennedy’s departmental responsibility includes economic policy, fiscal policy, market regulation, and the Australian federal budget. His Minister (Josh Frydenberg) was a better than average tennis player so I’m told but the notion that he knew what levers to pull or push to keep the economy afloat in desperate times is somewhat fanciful.

    But that’s not how it’s portrayed. Same with Costello and Swan and indeed all Treasurers. They are the political heads. Those that appear on TV but don’t do the day-to-day work. Broad policy at most. But they do make the political decisions such as to when Jobkeeper should end, for example, and whether or not to claim back rorted monies.

    Experience suggests that Ministers are like babes in the woods and, to their credit, most know it. Ministers are therefore best understood as talking heads , which is a full-time job in itself. Lol.

    They are the power without the expertise. Ought to be good listeners.

  300. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 17, 2022 4:08 pm

    MN

    Then how come we ran surplus budgets under Howard/Costello and reduced govt debt to ZERO? No govt has reduced debt since 1972 after Whitlam trashed the budget.

    I have been told that the pink batts/roof insulation scheme was presented to Costello as a climate change policy to reduce electricity bills. Costello knocked it back saying the govt has no experience in installing insulation into roofs.

    During the GFC the Public Service had another go and presented the policy to Swan as a stimulus program to put money into the economy. Swan went for it.

    So Ministers obviously have input.

  301. April 17, 2022 5:54 pm

    So Costello didn’t proceed because they had no experience … ?

    Perhaps that explains why Morrison (re Covid-19) didn’t order sufficient (almost everything) because they didn’t have experience in the purchase of same?

    So why did they order submarines (when they had no experience

    And tanks? etc, etc.

    Curious logic is it not?

    BTW, what you regard as a “success” (Budget surpluses) I tend to see as “failures” (to invest).

  302. TB Queensland permalink
    April 17, 2022 6:00 pm

    BTW, what you regard as a “success” (Budget surpluses) I tend to see as “failures” (to invest).

    er … look forward to the reply, MN, I’m enjoying your attempt to facilitate learning … but it will become more difficult as you contradict LNP brainwashing …

  303. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 17, 2022 6:10 pm

    BTW, what you regard as a “success” (Budget surpluses) I tend to see as “failures” (to invest).

    WE have been deficit spending since 2007. I doubt we are a better country for it. One day this ever growing mountain of govt debt will cause problems

  304. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 17, 2022 6:18 pm

    An “investment” requires a quantifiable return that can be used to pay down the borrowing.
    Speculation, on the other hand does not require such a disciplined approach

  305. April 17, 2022 6:31 pm

    Since 1901, Australia has had many, many more (financial) ‘deficits’ than surpluses. Fact!

    Might be time for the “Sleepers to awake” and smell the roses. Better still, see ‘returns’ that go beyond the immediate.

    So many missed opportunities. So many failures of imagination.

  306. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 17, 2022 6:36 pm

    MN

    WE have been deficit spending since 2007. I do not see a better country.

    Whitlam, Fraser. Hawke/Keating all deficit spent.

    I get your point but we cannot deficit spend forever. One day govt debt will be so big the economy will crash

  307. April 17, 2022 7:34 pm

    Keep hearing that the LNP has an economic Plan. Would anyone have a LINK? C’mon ‘barrackers’.

    Or is the Plan NOT to have a Plan? To leave the economy to the ‘market’?

    NoS, in an ever expanding economy, ‘deficits’ are not a problem. Even for those who think ‘deficits’ must be bad news. Menzies figured that out.

  308. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 17, 2022 7:39 pm

    MN

    Menzies was handed enormous WW2 debt, something like 90% of GDP. and Menzies/Coalition took govt debt to zero by 1972.

    How did Menzies do that without running surplus budgets?

    BTW what is Labors plan?

  309. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 17, 2022 10:46 pm

    No one would regard a deficit as an investment unless they could specifically define the anticipated return, in a manner that justified the expenditure.

  310. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2022 10:58 am

    … in a manner that justified the expenditure.

    Justified to whom?

    I think nuclear submarines and invading other countries are costly with no return except loss to ordinary people, death, pain and loss of international reputation! But the LNP continue to “invest” in warlike pursuits …

  311. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 18, 2022 11:17 am

    The comment you agreed with was that deficits are an investment.
    That’s just nonsense

  312. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 18, 2022 11:24 am

    When Morrison first called his Public Service CEOs together, he told them their primary role was to implement government policy (and not to provide advice ).

    This is correct. Representative government means that elected representatives determine policy. The role of the public servants is to serve the public by implementing policy not determining it.

    If Eachway is elected, his Minister for Health will no doubt direct his departmental head to open 50 GP clinics. The primary role of the bureaucrats is to implement that policy. It is not for the bureaucrats to tell the Minister that the money would be better spent on diversity training for health workers.

    The proper role of the Secretary of the Department of Health is to advise the Minister of the best method to implement the policy. For example, he might advise the Minister that, in fact, Eachway was fibbing about his policy being fully-costed and that the real cost was greater than expected. The Minister should then choose the best feasible alternative means of implementing the government’s policy.

    The idea of agenda-driven bureaucrats undermining Ministers or determining policy themselves is anti-democratic. Fortunately we seem to have a professional public service that generally understands its proper role.

  313. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2022 12:12 pm

    The comment you agreed with was that deficits are an investment.

    Often deficits result from good investments …

    Nonsense only in your opinion … anyone paying off a mortgage has a deficit … until the loan is paid off … the investment then becomes an asset … and accrues value exceeding the initial purchase price + interest paid – or simply negates the need to constantly pay rent … ie good debt

    Buy a new vehicle every year with a loan is a bad debt … constant loss …

    (Note: I have always believed homes should be just that – homes – not investments for people to rent out … but that’s another story … )

    The above is a simple analogy.

    Government spending and borrowing is far more complex … but more akin to a household than a business … the business NEEDS to make a profit each year – or borrow – an ever descending cycle in many cases leading to bankruptcy …

    In all three case, however, prudent money management is needed for diverse needs … buy a lawnmower, buy a gun, or, make a profit … 😎

  314. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2022 12:13 pm

    Fortunately we seem to have a professional public service that generally understands its proper role.

    Agree … and some ministers who listen to senior public servants when good advice is offered …

  315. Tom R permalink
    April 18, 2022 2:30 pm

    Often deficits result from good investments …

    Even the libs know this, as can be seen by their Keynesian response to the lockdowns. Investment in debt now to get the country through is returned by a healthier economy later.

    Of course, pissing billions into the maws of profitable companies isn’t so much as an investment, as simply a transference of wealth, but we all know the libs can’t do anything without fucking it up.

    I also see that cheering is booing now, this is going to be an entertaining few weeks, to say the least

  316. Tom R permalink
    April 18, 2022 2:33 pm

    #MrSpeaker #MrSpeaker #MrSpeaker

  317. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2022 3:37 pm

    Snotty wouldn’t want to claim his family are “private” anymore … bit sick actually

  318. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 18, 2022 4:00 pm

    Sentence 2.: Personally I’m sick of your burbling about kiddies being locked up by the Labor government … but no mention of the LENGTH of time people, particularly innocent
    children were held in detention by a succession of LNP governments …

    Because this was a problem Howard had solved. Our detention centers were empty in 2007. BTW there have been no children in detention since 2016. They were released into the community by then.

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2022 4:41 pm

    Anne Ruston to be Australia’s new health minister if Scott Morrison wins the election – as Anthony Albanese warns it’s a sign there will be ‘more cuts to Medicare’

  320. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2022 4:48 pm

    BTW there have been no children in detention since 2016

    BTW there has!

    15 June 2021 — The Tamil asylum seeker family from Biloela that has been on Christmas Island for two years has now reunited in Perth

    Do your research before you babble and burble … Peter Potato head is no bloody angel! Nor is Snotty the Revenger!

  321. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2022 4:54 pm

    I also see that cheering is booing now, this is going to be an entertaining few weeks, to say the least

    TR, Always “risky” to be on stage as the lead up to any “star” who is about to perform … whoever you are … you really need to work hard as a support act … whoever you are …

    https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/jimmy-barnes-son-clears-up-anthony-albaneses-bluesfest-2022-appearance/news-story/f82808cb752449b3114393b1df2691c2

  322. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 18, 2022 5:30 pm

    TB

    OK i was wrong. There are two children in detention down from the 2,000 in 2014

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/these-two-children-have-now-been-in-australian-immigration-detention-for-three-years/so3de4uvt

    “” Friday will mark three years since a Tamil family of four were taken from their home in Biloela, Queensland, at dawn. The girls are the only two children left in Australian immigration detention and still have no pathway to freedom.
    “”

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    April 18, 2022 6:08 pm

    Kneel,

    There is more … but frankly I’m tired of improving your edification … lastly … google children on Nauru and children in PNG …

    I lived in PNG … an awful place to send families with children (especially of Moslem faith)

  324. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 18, 2022 7:10 pm

    TB

    I just did. I found this

    “” On 28 February 2019, the last four children on Nauru departed for the US. “”

    And this

    “” The graph below shows the rapid decline in the numbers of children on Nauru, from 122 at the end of the 2017-2018 financial year to 0 as of 28 February 2019

    https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/operation-sovereign-borders-offshore-detention-statistics/2/

    Plus the 2 kids on Christmas Island may be regarded as being in Community Detention not in Detention. Detention means behind razor wire.

    I guess the 2 kids are allowed to roam around Christmas Island and mix with the community.

    So no kids in detention.

  325. April 18, 2022 9:38 pm

    Re:

    Representative government means that elected representatives determine policy. The role of the public servants is to serve the public by implementing policy not determining it.

    Sounds good. But down to a few practicalities.

    Is the policy to be ‘implemented’ that of the recently appointed Minister? The policy as stated by the Leader (Premier/Prime Minister)? Or perhaps the policy as written down in the Party platform? Which ‘understandings’ are to reign supreme?

    Usually the first ‘understanding’ to be jettisoned is the Party Policy (as written). Public servants are often told that while the official Labor/Liberal Policy, for example, might state XXX, this is the Morrison/Shorten etc government and the priorities ARE LM and Q. Which might be in contradiction to … other parts of the policy platform or even the LAW

    Fact is, the official policy might come from compromises reached on a Conference floor and might have been bitterly opposed by the person who is now either the Leader or the Minister. So which ‘policy’ should be pursued? There’s any number of ‘interpretations’ on offer.

    Next (and this a real doozy):

    role of the public servants is to serve the public

    Used to be the case that ‘public servants’ were there to ‘serve the public’ but now their role (and their job description) has changed (in certain jurisdictions at least). Who the ‘boss’ is becomes somewhat unclear, because it’s evolving.

    Who appoints the departmental head – the CEO? The Minister or the Prime Minister? To whom is the CEO accountable? The Minister or the PM? What if there’s conflicting expectations? Whose ‘orders’ should be obeyed? What if the Minister is dismissed? Or even the PM dismissed? How does the accountability ‘command’ change?

    What if a block of land, for example, is valued by the Department at $3 million and both the Minister and the PM says pay $30 million. What should the CEO do? Refuse? (and be sacked). Report it to a (non-existent) Integrity Commission? What?

    (And that’s barely scratching the ethical surface.)

  326. Tony permalink
    April 18, 2022 11:37 pm

    They’re only betting markets, and they were wrong last time. But this is a huge change since the campaign started. Evert time Albo opens his mouth the odds of Labor winning worsen.

  327. Tony permalink
    April 19, 2022 12:48 am

    Guffaw!

  328. April 19, 2022 6:13 am

    Then there’s this:

    Skip to content
    The Poll Bludger

    Analysis and discussion of elections and opinion polls in Australia

    Newspoll: 53-47 to Labor
    A tumble in Anthony Albanese’s personal ratings fails to carry through to two-party preferred, as the Greens record their best result in almost a year.

    The Australian brings us what is apparently the first ever Newspoll conducted over the Easter break, presumably portending weekly polling throughout the campaign. In what can only be a morale-booster for Labor after the troubled first week of its campaign, it records no change on two-party preferred, with Labor maintaining a lead of 53-47. Both major parties are down a point on the primary vote, Labor to 36% and the Coalition to 35%. The Greens are up two points to 12%, their best result since May last year, with One Nation and the United Australia Party both on 4%, respectively up one and steady.

    https://www.pollbludger.net/2022/04/18/newspoll-53-47-to-labor-14/#comments

  329. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2022 8:27 am

    “Is the policy to be ‘implemented’ that of the recently appointed Minister? The policy as stated by the Leader (Premier/Prime Minister)? Or perhaps the policy as written down in the Party platform? Which ‘understandings’ are to reign supreme?”

    Just to be clear, all ministers are not recently appointed. For the secretaries of the departments, the relevant minister is the one they need worry about. What happens behind the scenes is a matter for the government. Some decisions will be made by the cabinet, some by a ‘kitchen cabinet’ and some by the relevant minister.

    “Usually the first ‘understanding’ to be jettisoned is the Party Policy (as written).”

    That is irrelevant to public servants. The chain of command is from minister to departmental secretary.

    We all know that politicians lie through their teeth when campaigning. Take Gillard who promised that ‘there will not be a carbon tax under a government I lead’. Of course the government she led implemented such a tax. There was never any scope for the public servants to do other than what the relevant Minister instructed them.

    “Who the ‘boss’ is becomes somewhat unclear, because it’s evolving.”

    That is nonsense. As far as public servants are concerned, there is a clear chain of command. The departmental secretary reports to the relevant minister. If the PM doesn’t like what a minister is doing then he sacks that minister. No doubt there are some shenanigans of the “Yes Minister” variety but the important policy decisions are for the relevant minister. It would be anti-democratic if those decisions were usurped by public servants. In practice this rarely happens.

  330. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2022 8:57 am

    Meanwhile, the constantly confused Commander in Chief needs to be told what to do by the Easter Bunny:

    This is the finest the Democrats had to offer!

  331. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2022 9:00 am

    Of course the government she led implemented such a tax

    lol splats, even the architect admits there was NEVER a Carbon Tax. Move onto the latest lie, you know, like a poll written by a liberal party toady means anything (yea, lisa wasn’t crying, she was rejoicing, but then, reality smacked her in the face, as MN pointed out)

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/carbon-tax-just-brutal-politics-credlin/3dsmh3o6a

    There will be a lot of lies this election, and they will all come from from the pmo, and be widely distributed by the media in his pocket (or is he in the medias pocket?)

  332. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2022 9:23 am

    “there was NEVER a Carbon Tax”

    Perhaps you’d like to explain why it is not a tax. I’ve schooled you on this before. The High Court has, on many occasions, had to consider whether some government charge or impost is a tax. Gillard’s ‘carbon pricing mechanism’ was clearly a tax.

  333. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 19, 2022 9:26 am

    15 June 2021 — The Tamil asylum seeker family from Biloela that has been on Christmas Island for two years has now reunited in Perth

    TB

    Actually i may not have been wrong when i said there were no kids in detention. Firstly it is only 2 kids you mentioned but i guess they are not behind razor wire. They would be in community detention free to roam the island and go shopping.

    Plus my earlier link showed there were no kids on Nauru. Plus i think the refugees on Nauru are not behind razor wire. They are in community detention free to roam the island

    So no kids in detention

  334. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2022 9:38 am

    Kneel … STFU!

  335. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2022 9:43 am

    “there was NEVER a Carbon Tax”

    FFS! This place is like groundhog day …

    Despite the silly election name dribbling from the LNP and its supporters …

    New research from the Australia Institute’s Climate & Energy program shows that had the Gillard Government’s carbon price remained in place, Australia’s emissions would be 25 million tonnes lower in 2020 and 72 million tonnes lower over the last five years.

    August 5, 2020

    https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/key-gillard-era-reform-carbon-price-would-have-saved-72-million-tonnes-of-emissions/

  336. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 19, 2022 9:47 am

    TB

    I followed your advice. I did a google search and it said there were no kids on Nauru.

    And the 2 kids in detention on Christmas Island would be in community detention free to roam the island and go shopping. I guess there would be a curfew but that is about it.

    So no kids in detention

    Do your research before you babble and burble … Peter Potato head is no bloody angel! Nor is Snotty the Revenger!

    You need to learn how to use goggle. I can offer advice if you need help.

  337. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2022 9:49 am

    And fuck the survival of 8 billion people … as the world falls apart …

    Throwing his support behind more coal development, Mr Joyce said a coalition government would invest in “the things that make us money”.

    “Medicare and social security have to be paid for,” he told the Seven Network on Monday.

    “We are the side that is brave enough to say that we make it from iron and coal and gas, and if we lose sight of that we’re not making the money that can support all of the vital economic and social infrastructure so important to this nation.”

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/australian-politics/2022/04/18/new-mines-key-health-welfare-joyce/

    Think of the (your) children Barnaby …

    Profit and power before people …

    Even the political “class” are fkn Robber Barons!

  338. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2022 9:55 am

    Darwin’s location just south of more than a dozen Asian countries and some of the world’s busiest shipping lanes makes it a strategic stepping-off point.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/nt/2022/04/18/us-combat-aircrafts-arrive-top-end/

    aircraft-s? Which pre-school trains journalists in English grammar?

    So why did we lease the Darwin Port to China FFS?

    Andrew Robb slunk off into the murky ex pollie netherworld … after his massive consultant’s pay out!

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2022 9:57 am

    Treasurer Josh Frydenberg’s Victorian seat of Kooyong could fall to an independent, a new poll shows.

    The UComms poll of 847 residents conducted on April 12 found independent candidate Monique Ryan held a 59 to 41 per cent two-party preferred lead over Mr Frydenberg in the inner-Melbourne electorate.

    The poll also showed a 44 per cent disapproval rating for Mr Frydenberg’s record as local MP and a 57.2 per cent disapproval rating of Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

  340. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2022 10:03 am

    Gillard promised no carbon tax.

    She implemented a carbon tax.

    She and her moronic supporters then pretended, without any evidence or logic, that the said carbon tax was not in fact a tax.

    It is a tax for the same reasons the SGL was held by the High Court to be a tax. That is, if the levy was not paid then the government extracted a charge from employers. The government taking your money for public purposes (i.e. it goes into consolidated revenue) is a tax.

    Also, Gillard’s Clean Energy legislation came in a number of separate Acts. This was to cover as many constitutional bases as possible, including the general taxation power (S.51(ii) of the Constitution) and the customs and excise power (which is also a tax) (S.90 of the Constitution). The legislation is drafted so as to be a tax to ensure its constitutionality. Yet still deluded dead-enders deny that it was a tax.

  341. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2022 10:07 am

    Treasurer Josh Frydenberg’s Victorian seat of Kooyong could fall to an independent a billionaire’s lackey, a new poll shows.

    “Voices of” is just another fundamentally dishonest Greens/ALP stunt.

  342. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2022 10:13 am

    splats is so lost, he’s even been abandoned by credlin lol

    Peta Credlin admits the climate change policy under Julia Gillard’s Labor government was never a carbon tax, but the coalition used that label to stir up brutal retail politics.

    Meanwhile, some lefty radical has infiltrated the abc branch of ltd news. Bet he’s not invited on again 🙂

  343. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 19, 2022 10:23 am

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard has admitted she promised there would be no carbon tax during the election and said circumstances had changed….What my vision was was to be
    elected as prime minister and to introduce an emissions trading scheme, which is not a carbon tax….Last week, Ms Gillard announced a carbon tax would begin in July 2012.

    The prime minister explained that a fixed-price period, for an interim three to five years, would effectively operate as a carbon tax.

    “A carbon tax is where you fix price,” Ms Gillard said.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/yes-i-vowed-no-carbon-tax-gillard-20110227-1b9lw.html

  344. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2022 10:31 am

    “Tax” has a clear meaning set out by the High Court and applied in numerous lower court decisions. The Clean Energy legislation clearly imposes a tax. It doesn’t matter who said what. Ad hominem arguments don’t change that fact.

  345. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2022 10:46 am

    Ad hominem arguments don’t change that fact.

    But outcomes are critical … rather than word games …

    https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/key-gillard-era-reform-carbon-price-would-have-saved-72-million-tonnes-of-emissions/

  346. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2022 10:55 am

    So, you are claiming that the architect of calling it a Tax, who has come out and declared that it never was a tax in the first place, was lying about lying about the lying lie?

    And they are at it again, as sure as night follows day (or has the High Court found otherwise?) 🙂

  347. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2022 11:04 am

  348. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2022 11:40 am

    “So, you are claiming that the architect of calling it a Tax, who has come out and declared that it never was a tax in the first place, was lying about lying about the lying lie?”

    And that is pure ad hominem fallacy. If you want to know whether legislation imposes a tax you look at the legislation and you look at the legal definition of tax. The fact that Credlin doesn’t know what a tax is is irrelevant.

  349. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2022 11:42 am

    “But outcomes are critical … rather than word games …”

    So tell me how much that would have reduced global temperature?

  350. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2022 12:02 pm

    And that is pure ad hominem fallacy.

    OK then, if you don’t believe the one who called it a tax,, coming out and declaring it isn’t actually a tax, then point to the High Court case that declared the Carbon Price is a tax

    I’ll wait 😉

    So tell me how much that would have reduced global temperature?

    Did you steal this from the wayback machine? ffs, it’s like living in 2007 all over again.

  351. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2022 12:20 pm

    “I’ll wait.”

    You’d be better off engaging your brain, reading the relevant legislation and applying the tests as set out in the cases on what constitutes a tax. Of course, if you don’t want to approach this rationally keep doing what you’ve been doing. Also, you haven’t yet told me why it is not a tax.

  352. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2022 12:26 pm

    “Did you steal this from the wayback machine?”

    That actually reminded me of Obama’s quip to Romney – ‘the eighties wants its foreign policy back’ when Romney suggested that Russia was the greatest foreign threat to the US. Of course the dumb smug cunts of the left tittered and giggled.

    If it is outcomes that are important then my question stands, waiting for an answer that will never come from the climate alarmists.

  353. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2022 12:35 pm

    And the word of the day (actually two) … is…

    ad hominem

  354. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2022 1:09 pm

    Also, you haven’t yet told me why it is not a tax.

    Because the one who labelled it a tax came out and told us all it was a made up lie. So, yes, I did, but you live in your ad hominem fairyland

  355. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2022 2:17 pm

    So all you’ve got is an ad hominem fallacy to rely on! Sophists do that. Reason does not come into it for them. If you really wanted to know, you’d first find out what a tax was. But you don’t really want to know, do you?

  356. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2022 2:58 pm

    But you don’t really want to know, do you?

    “point to the High Court case that declared the Carbon Price is a tax”

    I believe that leaves the ball in your … hominem? 🙂

  357. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2022 3:15 pm

    “point to the High Court case that declared the Carbon Price is a tax”

    Your question is irrelevant. There is no such case.

  358. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2022 3:44 pm

    “Tax” has a clear meaning set out by the High Court

    You brought the High Court up

    But, that’s lies from a decade ago, which you are still perpetuating. This time, their big lie didn’t even get past one day before being blown out of the water, but I’m sure in a decade you’ll be claiming how poor old taylor was vilified just for making up more numbers

    Don’t worry, we’ll see a lot more lies from them before the days out.

  359. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 19, 2022 3:59 pm

    “You brought the High Court up”

    I did. I said that the High Court explained what a tax is. The Clean Energy legislation implemented a tax. Everything you have said is bullshit. You can keep on talking past me but it doesn’t change the fact that it was a tax.

    You are in no position to whine about lies when you are completely uninterested in getting to the truth of the matter. With trolls like you on the prowl it is no wonder political discourse is so fucked up.

    I actually hope Morrison loses but I don’t like Eachway either and liars like you are as bad as lying politicians. The difference is they do it for power whereas you just get off on trolling! 😉

  360. Tom R permalink
    April 19, 2022 4:20 pm

    The Clean Energy legislation implemented a tax.

    So you claim. However, the architect of the tax smear disagrees with you. She’s moved onto bigger and better things, like trolling Dan Andrews 😉

  361. April 19, 2022 4:27 pm

    Splatterbottom @ 2022 8:27 am re

    The chain of command is from minister to departmental secretary.

    Really? Or is that how it used to be? If you been following that iss evolving ? Back as far as the Goss years the contracts of the CEOs, Secretaries, Directors-General or whatever title you want were with the Premier. He was their Boss and he constantly reminded them. Just as he appointed Ministers he also appointed CEOs. How do you think Craig Emmerson became boss the the Queensland Environment Department?

    Moving to the Federal sphere. Let’s start with Martin Parkinson who was Head of Treasury under Joe Hockey. Abbott didn’t like him because of his attitude to managing the inaugural

    Department of Climate Change

    so he told Hockey that Parkinson had to go. After a period of transition, Parkinson jumped before he was pushed ONLY to be resurrected by Turnbull when Abbott moved on Lol.

    Nowadays, CEOs of Departments know full well were the power resides. To suggest that they only have to consider their Minister is naivety at its most stark.

    What WAS in days past or might still be found in text-books bears little resemblance to what IS re the present arrangements. Just ask Dutton who badly wants his current Secretary to be replaced by Michael Pezzullo (and Pezzullo would give his right arm to be there now.)

    As stated above – government administrative common sense continues to evolve.

  362. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2022 4:37 pm

    With trolls like you on the prowl it is no wonder political discourse is so fucked up.

    Mmmmm … more – ad hominem … per exemplum!

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2022 4:50 pm

    more brilliant journalism … man …

    fatally shot dead by police …

    🙄

  364. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2022 4:58 pm

    And another …

    A 15-year-old boy from the US has been charged of intentionally setting a house fire …

    Why are prepositions so difficult for journos?

  365. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 19, 2022 5:54 pm

    in an ever expanding economy, ‘deficits’ are not a problem.
    Even for those who think ‘deficits’ must be bad news. Menzies figured that out.

    MN

    I would like to know how Menzies/Coalition took govt debt from 90% of GDP to zero by 1972 while running deficit budgets.

    I have seen the graph showing that but nobody has said how Menzies/Coalition did it. People who believe in deficit spending use that graph to justify deficit spending.

  366. April 19, 2022 6:33 pm

    NoS – what Menzies did was replicated (virtually) across the developed world.

    Here’s a link. Read it and please don’t ask again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_economic_expansion

    Just take UK as a typical example, – “The national debt of the United Kingdom was at a record high percentage of the GDP as the war ended, but was largely repaid by 1975.”

    And – “In early 1950s, the Soviet Union, having reconstructed the ruins left by the war, experienced a decade of prosperous, undisturbed, and rapid economic growth, with significant and remarkable technological achievements”.

    And – “Sweden emerged almost unharmed from World War II, and experienced tremendous economic growth until the early 1970s, as Social Democratic Prime Minister Tage Erlander held his office from 1946 to 1969”.

    Then there’s Germany (West) – “Chancellor Konrad Adenauer and economic minister Ludwig Erhard, saw prolonged economic growth beginning in the early 1950s. Journalists dubbed it the Wirtschaftswunder or “Economic Miracle”. Industrial production doubled from 1950 to 1957, and gross national product grew at a rate of 9 or 10% per year, providing the engine for economic growth of all of Western Europe.”

    Try Italy as well – “The Italian economy experienced very variable growth. In the 1950s and early 1960s the Italian economy boomed, with record high growth-rates, including 6.4% in 1959, 5.8% in 1960, 6.8% in 1961, and 6.1% in 1962.”

    NoS, some basic maths (and a little help from Google) will show that a growing, expanding economy with ever rising revenues will soon pay back any debt accrued.

  367. TB Queensland permalink
    April 19, 2022 6:55 pm

    I have seen the graph showing that but nobody has said how Menzies/Coalition did it

    TAX!

    After a World War!

    The Third World War will have no-one left to pay taxes … 😎

  368. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 19, 2022 6:58 pm

    MN

    The reason i asked is i came across this graph

    https://www.datawrapper.de/_/3h8rZ/

    It shows Menzies running large surplus budgets. WE only started to run deficit budgets again when Whitlam was elected in the early 1970’s.

    I don’t think it is possible to run deficit budgets and reduce govt debt. Economic growth is not the answer. Waving the economic growth magic wand may convince you but it does not convince me.

  369. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 20, 2022 8:38 am

    MN

    I found that graph showing Menzies/Coalition ran surplus budgets from this Guardian article. I only found it a week ago. Normally graphs show Menzies running deficit budgets while reducing govt debt which made no sense to me

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/31/the-amazing-thing-about-the-2022-budget-how-clearly-it-reveals-the-governments-death-throes

    The graph appears under this title and it gives a PBO link where he got the data

    It’s the longest we’ve gone without a surplus since WWII… does it matter?

    So your statement that a growing economy will pay back govt debt may be wrong. It looks like Menzies did run surplus budgets to pay back govt debt.

  370. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 20, 2022 8:42 am

    Mmmmm … more – ad hominem … per exemplum!

    Not at all. I demonstrated that Tom R abjured a logical approach in favour of arguing on the basis of a logical fallacy and was recalcitrant in refusing to use logical arguments when his error was pointed out to him. I thus demonstrated that he was a troll. I then observed that people behaving in this manner fucks up political discourse.

    I would add that such criticism from you is hilarious given your inability to complete a sentence much less construct a logical argument. This is demonstrated by your comment above in which you make a baseless accusation without attempting to demonstrate that it was true.

    We know that, given it is election season, neither you nor Tom R have hammered Eachway for his failings nor have either of you had any positive comments about Morrison. Nor is it likely that that ratio will change before the election. Because that is what trolls do.

  371. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 20, 2022 9:12 am

    MN “Nowadays, CEOs of Departments know full well were the power resides. To suggest that they only have to consider their Minister is naivety at its most stark.”

    I checked. You are right about this. So let me reformulate my view: The government decides policy and the public service advises on implementation of the policy decided by government. Complicated reporting structures might make life difficult for departmental heads.

    I have 3 children who are public servants: an EL1, a NSW 11/12 and a NSW SES1. Instructions come from the Minister to the Secretary (or agency head) and then down the chain.

    At the SES levels they can be gotten rid of quite arbitrarily (as it should be). Ministers need senior pubic servants they have confidence in. However, public servants have entrenched rights in NSW legislation.

  372. Tom R permalink
    April 20, 2022 9:19 am

    refusing to use logical arguments

    So, acknowledging that the person who started everyone calling it a tax, comes out and says it isn’t a tax, that it was ‘just’ ‘brutal retail politics’, is .. illogical

    Sounds legit lol

    you nor Tom R have hammered Eachway for his failings

    You don’t need us to repeat what the media repeat ad nauseam. I ask simple questions like, why does our media instead hide all of morrisons gaffes, instead of treating them in the same over-hyped fashion?

  373. Tom R permalink
    April 20, 2022 9:23 am

    Apparently, the Solomon Islands chooses China over Australia.

    WHY???????

  374. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 20, 2022 9:59 am

    Using Russia’s criteria we’re now entitled to invade Solomon Islands, following some bombing

  375. Tom R permalink
    April 20, 2022 10:06 am

    we’re now entitled to invade Solomon Islands, following some bombing

    Our warship couldn’t even make it there in peacetime ffs

  376. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 20, 2022 10:36 am

    “So, acknowledging that the person who started everyone calling it a tax, comes out and says it isn’t a tax, that it was ‘just’ ‘brutal retail politics’, is .. illogical”

    It is indeed illogical. That is a classic argument ad hominem – “X said it therefore it must be true.” Perhaps you haven’t studied formal logic?

    As I pointed out repeatedly, there is a logical way of determining whether a particular law imposes a tax – you examine the relevant legal authorities as to what a tax is and apply the relevant law to the legislation in question. But that type of logic is beyond you, isn’t it?

  377. Tom R permalink
    April 20, 2022 10:43 am

    “X said it therefore it must be true.”

    And for years, that’s exactly what people did.

    you examine the relevant legal authorities as to what a tax is and apply the relevant law to the legislation in question.

    So, you’ll of course point out where that is applied here then. All we’ve heard is ‘that’s my opinion’. Verification of your ‘opinion’ would be nice.

  378. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2022 11:20 am

    I would add that such criticism from you is hilarious given your inability to complete a sentence much less construct a logical argument.

    ad hominem … 2U2

  379. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2022 11:43 am

    1. neither you nor Tom R have hammered Eachway for his failings …

    Plenty doing that … look at any Murdoch/Channel 9 outlet …

    2. nor have either of you had any positive comments about Morrison

    ‘Cause there isn’t anything “positive” about Snotty – its always someoen else fkn up, especially after the last four years of codswallop

    3. Nor is it likely that that ratio will change before the election.

    Soothsayer now? And wot’s it to ya, mate … the itersting thing about your comments is that you seem to think that you strike a balance between “left” and “right” … got some bad nesw for you.

    4. Because that is what trolls do.

    And you do … ad hominem

    As for this …

    Not at all. I demonstrated that Tom R abjured a logical approach in favour of arguing on the basis of a logical fallacy and was recalcitrant in refusing to use logical arguments when his error was pointed out to him. I thus demonstrated that he was a troll. I then observed that people behaving in this manner fucks up political discourse.

    Hilarious … reminds me of the shite we had to write for uni. …

    Let me simplify it …

    I showed that Tom R did not use a logical approach to argue based on a logical fallacy (WTF is a logical fallacy?) and refused to use logical argument when his error was pointed out. I showed that he was a troll. I described how people behave like this to play politics.

  380. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 20, 2022 12:05 pm

    Tom R, I explained it to you above as follows:

    It is a tax for the same reasons the SGL was held by the High Court to be a tax. That is, if the levy was not paid then the government extracted a charge from employers. The government taking your money for public purposes (i.e. it goes into consolidated revenue) is a tax.

    Also, Gillard’s Clean Energy legislation came in a number of separate Acts. This was to cover as many constitutional bases as possible, including the general taxation power (S.51(ii) of the Constitution) and the customs and excise power (which is also a tax) (S.90 of the Constitution). The legislation is drafted so as to be a tax to ensure its constitutionality. Yet still deluded dead-enders deny that it was a tax.

    Just for your edification, I will add some more detail. In Roy Morgan Research Pty Ltd v FC of T & Anor 2011 ATC Heydon J said:

    63. The question, then, is whether the superannuation guarantee charge, considered as an exaction, is a tax. To the extent that employers make payments directly into employees ‘ superannuation funds, there will be no exaction; to the extent that they do not, there will be. The legislative scheme uses the threat of the exaction to prevent the need to pay it from arising. But each occasion when the need to pay it arises tends to encourage others later so to arrange their affairs that they do not have to pay it. In the Northern Suburbs case the spending of the exaction on training did not prevent the exaction from being a tax. So here, the spending of the exaction on payments into superannuation funds for the benefit of employees does not prevent the exaction from being a tax.

    Under the Clean Energy legislation the government used the threat of an exaction (the Unit Shortfall Charge) to encourage taxpayers to acquire carbon credits. That is the tax Gillard promised would not exist under a government she leads.

  381. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 20, 2022 12:17 pm

    “Hilarious … reminds me of the shite we had to write for uni. …”

    I thought that would go over your head. Obviously you have never studied formal logic.

    “WTF is a logical fallacy?”

    A logical fallacy is a flaw in your reasoning that means that your conclusion is invalid. Your comments here, to the extent they are coherent at all, usually contain one or more logical fallacies. To make matters worse, they are usually based on false premises which is another reason for their invalidity.

  382. April 20, 2022 12:53 pm

    Re the Solomon Islands.

    This morning on Radio National much was made by Minister Payne re the Pacific Family. Lots of waffle also by Labor.

    But nowhere was mention made that Australia is on the outer in this so called Pacific Family because of its failure to take climate change seriously. This Pacific Family faces an existential crisis. Some Islands are literally going under . And yet we have a senior Minister making jokes (caught on a hot mic). That Dutton is in charge of anything says much.

    Then Australia sends a junior woodchuck (Wong’s terminology) in a vain attempt to rescue what is regarded as a dire situation. Insult upon insult.

    Perhaps Payne was too busy attempting to shield Morrison from further transphobic gaffes instead of doing her day job.

  383. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2022 2:38 pm

    I thought that would go over your head.

    Ad hominem … questus odiosis

  384. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2022 2:50 pm

    To spot logical fallacies, look for bad proof, the wrong number of choices, or a disconnect between the proof and the conclusion.

    Please identify TR’s logical fallacy (again, if you must) but denuded of ad hominem … it does tend to fog and misdirect the discussion … as I’m sure you would be aware, based upon your continuous deployment of the technique … perhaps you are unaware that the majority of your comments contain at profuse addition ad hominem content?

  385. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 20, 2022 3:19 pm

    “To spot logical fallacies, look for bad proof, the wrong number of choices, or a disconnect between the proof and the conclusion.”

    That is not definitive, TB, but it will do. In Tom R’s case his fallacy is to say that because Credlin said Gillard’s Clean Energy measures were not a tax then they are not a tax. He obviously has a higher opinion of Credlin than I do.

    The logical approach is to find out what a tax is and then see if Gillard’s Clean Energy measures are indeed a tax. I analysed this above.

    “perhaps you are unaware that the majority of your comments contain at profuse addition ad hominem content”

    Guilty as charged. My MO is to throw a little colourful language, preferably scatological, into the mix whenever possible. But usually this is a device to give my extremely logical arguments a little spice. Then there is mere opinion which doesn’t require logic.

    But in this case, the question was whether particular legislative measures amounted to a tax. That is not a matter of opinion. It is a question which can be answered with a high degree of precision. That does not include squealing “It must be true because Credlin said it was” as Tom R did.

    Finally, it does not matter whether Credlin was the alleged source of a political attack on the tax. That does not mean she is an authority on what a tax is. She was still wrong to say it was not a tax.

  386. TB Queensland permalink
    April 20, 2022 3:40 pm

    splats what’s in name … this is from an earlier comment …

    New research from the Australia Institute’s Climate & Energy program shows that had the Gillard Government’s carbon price remained in place, Australia’s emissions would be 25 million tonnes lower in 2020 and 72 million tonnes lower over the last five years.

    The point is it would have been successful – if only the LNP government(s) were interested in emissions control and climate change …

    To argue the “terminology”, rather than the “efficacy”, of the process, is not only obfuscation, but an attempt at camouflaging the real question – would it work? … in your words a classic logical fallacy …

    Call it – Carbon Removal Assessment Payment … easy peasy …

    BTW in simple terms a carbon tax is fixed by the government … carbon pricing is generally set by market forces and government revenue is collected as a %age like excise duty.

  387. Tom R permalink
    April 20, 2022 4:16 pm

    splats just handle that his hero lied to him for all those years, so is now diving down to the bottom of every little piece of legislation that might somehow be linked, no matter how vaguely, to anything else that might mention ‘tax’

    Of course, in that case, EVERYTHING is a tax. Probably true, to pedantically pointless illiterates

    This doesn’t change that the fact that the architect of the massive scare campaign dominated and fueled by our media for over a decade came out and said it was all made up.

    And some can’t seem to accept that they were led so easily. Or, perhaps, that others were right 😉

  388. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 20, 2022 4:19 pm

    “To argue the “terminology”, rather than the “efficacy”, of the process, is not only obfuscation, but an attempt at camouflaging the real question – would it work? … in your words a classic logical fallacy …”

    TB, you’ve completely missed the point. My original reference to Gillard’s policy was in relation to a discussion I was having with MN about governments who deviate from the policies they got elected on. It was an apt example although there are many that could have been chosen.

    Also, it doesn’t matter much what you call it, it will still be a tax if it is, in substance, an exaction by government for public purposes.

  389. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 20, 2022 4:31 pm

    “his hero lied to him”

    Tom R, you are the credulous Credlin minge-muncher in all of this. I would never regard her as an authority on what a tax is. Yet you do. Obviously big strong women are your thing. Just make sure you let her know what your safe word is.

  390. ivi permalink
    April 20, 2022 4:48 pm

    (Also, it doesn’t matter much what you call it, it will still be a tax if it is, in substance, an exaction by government for public purposes.

    If.)

  391. Tom R permalink
    April 20, 2022 4:58 pm

    Just make sure you let her know what your safe word is.

    ad hominem (or is that two words?)

    IF 🙂

  392. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 20, 2022 5:07 pm

    “IF”

    I dealt with that point earlier “if” you bothered to read it.

  393. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 20, 2022 7:51 pm

    MN

    Did you read my Guardian link?

    Menzies/Coalition were running surplus budgets not deficits

    https://www.datawrapper.de/_/3h8rZ/

    It is not possible to take govt debt from 90% of GDP to zero while running deficit budgets

    I got the diagram from the Guardian link i posted at 8.30AM.

    The Guardian is a organisation i think you would trust. I only came across it last week after being told for years that Menzies ran deficits

  394. Knot Won Inch Closer`Teabag permalink
    April 22, 2022 11:33 am

    2. Morrison didn’t mention China in his calls for an inquiry into the origins of covid. That was the interpretation of the CCP.

    Psst kooyong, theRonald was bellowing thePandaVirus long before the current crop of arse licking deputy sheriffs took over from weakTalkbull.`

  395. peter mackay permalink
    May 22, 2022 9:00 am

    with morrison gone does the queensland premeir go as well

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