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ALP surges ahead of LNP as interest rates dominate campaign

May 3, 2022

The ALP has increased its lead over the over the Morrison LNP Government as higher than expected ABS inflation increases upward pressure on interest rates.

The ALP gained 1% point on a two-party preferred basis during the week to Sunday May 1, increasing its lead to 11% points according to the latest Roy Morgan Poll conducted from April 25 to May 1, 2022.

The weekly Roy Morgan Government Confidence Rating plunged 8pts to 84 this week after the ABS reported higher than expected inflation of 5.1% for the year to March 2022 – the highest figure for over 20 years. The higher than expected inflation has increased the pressure on the RBA to raise interest rates for the first time in more than a decade – perhaps as soon as today.

There are now far more Australians, 50% (up 3.5% points), who say the country is ‘heading in the wrong direction’ compared to just over a third of Australians, 34% (down 4.5% points), who say the country is ‘heading in the right direction’.

This week’s result is the first swing to the ALP so far during the campaign and if a Federal Election had been held last weekend the ALP would have won a clear majority.

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  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2022 12:01 pm

    As long as there isn’t a hung parliament requiring constant shoring up of numbers, and distracting negotiation with a rabble/ gaggle of opportunists, I’ll be pleased

  2. Tom R permalink
    May 3, 2022 12:11 pm

    I think we now know where he lost the race at

  3. May 3, 2022 12:23 pm

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  4. Tom R permalink
    May 3, 2022 1:07 pm

    Is part of this Shield telling us unemployment is fine, when he changed the measuring of it to classify people working ZERO (0) hours a week as employed?

  5. May 3, 2022 2:13 pm

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  6. May 3, 2022 2:14 pm

    Re:

    and distracting negotiation with a …

    Yep, forget democracy. What would the voting Citizens know?

    Better off with an effective dictatorship as we have at present where an individual (not popularly elected) can determine, for example, party pre-selections ; organise the numbers and become the PM; declare war without reference to the citizenry etc.

    As well as operate in a undemocratic structure that has a separation of powers in name only (with the same individuals exercising legislative, executive, and judicial powers . Such arrangement characterized by having no Bill of Rights .

    https://www.ncsl.org/research/about-state-legislatures/separation-of-powers-an-overview.aspx

    But for appearance sake we can describe it as a democracy (as have Russia, North Korea et al) then all will be happy ever after.

    Shh – don’t wake the Sleepers.

  7. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 3, 2022 2:23 pm

    With all this ALP surging and thrusting, I trust it is only your hopes you are getting up. Anything else is a bit premature so to speak.

  8. May 3, 2022 2:28 pm

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  9. May 3, 2022 2:54 pm

    Morrison knows that reality is a construct .

    He’s living proof of that but in politics it’s essential that your construct is (still) shared by the majority of others.

    Re Aspen Medical. Don’t think Hunt will follow Robb, Pyne, et al into a lucrative consultancy any time soon. It’s all in the timing. No wonder they hate the ABC

  10. May 3, 2022 3:15 pm

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  11. Tom R permalink
    May 3, 2022 4:12 pm

    gold 🙂

  12. May 3, 2022 4:43 pm

    Just your daily reminder that Ben Roberts-Smith is actually the plaintiff in this case…

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/ben-roberts-smith-s-friends-admit-to-error-about-a-key-point-in-defamation-case-20220503-p5ai2q.html

  13. May 3, 2022 4:52 pm

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  14. TB Queensland permalink
    May 3, 2022 6:27 pm

    This gormless prick would lie about anything … and care about nothing but himself … who cares about his (definitely) undercook chook … HIS goose IS cooked …

    “People love my medium rare chicken,” stated a post on our favourite Instagram account Auspol Affirmations.

    Morrison himself weighed in on the escalating jokes on social media, responding to a concerned follower on Facebook to say: “I can reassure you, the chicken was cooked.”

    The PM defended his cooking on Fox FM radio by claiming “people went back for seconds” and that the chicken’s odd appearance “was just the way the light bounced off the skin”.

    And in the same column … it’s not a fkn ukelele! Count the strings.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/03/australian-election-briefing-parties-coalition-labor-respond-to-rba-interest-cash-rate-rise-and-barnaby-joyce-is-heckled-plus-the-chicken-was-cooked

  15. May 3, 2022 7:52 pm

    Where’s Barnaby and his criticisms of the NSW ICAC? You know – it’s elected politicians who should decide where the dollars should be spent (read pork) and not bureaucrats

    And yet we have an UNELECTED Board raising interest rates and not elected MPs. Will the journalists interview Joyce? Is he now happy to have – “government out of our lives?” What changed?

    Clarity required?

  16. Tom R permalink
    May 4, 2022 9:25 am

    The last line is what will make the remainder of this election ‘campaign’ interesting. What big lies does he have in store? The last week is going to be a banger I reckon

    He will lie about anything, compulsively, no matter how major or minor, or how easily disprovable. And with his government facing a steep uphill battle in the final weeks of the federal election campaign, how much worse are the lies going to get?

    https://www.themonthly.com.au/the-politics/rachel-withers/2022/05/03/undercooked

  17. Tom R permalink
    May 4, 2022 10:58 am

    Qantas, the great Australian law breaker

  18. May 4, 2022 3:24 pm

    “But they’re such a great airline” said only one troll.

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2022 3:31 pm

    … said only one troll.

    That would be a leprechaun surely? 🤑 😄😄

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2022 3:36 pm

    Just finished watching Four Corners’ investigation of AspenMedical … no wonder Snotty is running scared about an ICAC!

    Scott Morrison warns overly powerful Icac could turn Australia into ‘public autocracy’

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 4, 2022 3:40 pm

    The Federal Court is often just a lottery. The High Court is more likely to make decisions based on the law rather than political views

  22. May 4, 2022 4:19 pm

    So QANTAS acted illegally? Don’t think so!

    A Company can’t act ‘illegally’ – rather it’s individuals within who do that.

    Until Board Members (including the CEO) face prison time for egregious legal breaches nothing much will change.

  23. May 4, 2022 4:31 pm

    Re:

    powerful Icac could turn Australia into ‘public autocracy’

    Isn’t that what a democracy is supposed to be? You know – with the public (read Citizens) having the power? Or perhaps he has an alternative definition?

    Or maybe he pejoratively equates autocracy with Dictators or Monarchs?

    One wonders as to his response when questioned by the MSM?

  24. May 4, 2022 4:40 pm

    Why is it that ex politicians develop ‘insight’?

    My concerns today are about Australian democracy. They relate to the lack of accountability in the government, the blatant pork barrelling, the use of public monies for party electoral advantage rather than the public interest, the pursuit of immediate political advantage rather than the long-term interests of the country, the daily focus on politics rather than good government, and the way the government is reactive rather than forward-looking.

    This government appears to be dragged kicking and screaming to policy positions that most sensible Australians would support — including on climate change. Does anyone really think the government is as serious about carbon reduction as the community or the business community?

    But Fred was always different.

  25. May 4, 2022 4:58 pm

    The gift that keeps on giving..

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  26. Tom R permalink
    May 4, 2022 5:07 pm

    The Federal Court is often just a lottery.

    lol “We woz robed!”

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2022 6:30 pm

    Until Board Members (including the CEO) face prison time for egregious legal breaches nothing much will change.

    Indeed! It was a long fight to get:

    https://www.ashurst.com/en/news-and-insights/legal-updates/work-health-and-safety-trial-in-queensland-director-sent-to-jail-and-1m-fine/

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2022 6:32 pm

    The Federal Court is often just a lottery. The High Court is more likely to make decisions based on the law rather than political views

    Can always appeal … best of luck! Yer a wurry, ToMMy … you know it was WRONG!

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2022 6:37 pm

    Why is it that ex politicians develop ‘insight’?

    Oddly enough … tho’ … “for people” not mentioned once …

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2022 6:38 pm

    lol “We woz robed!”

    LOL! Spoonerisms are fun … TR 😎

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2022 6:42 pm

    Here ya go ToM!

    Qantas vows to go to high court after losing appeal over unlawful baggage handler sackings

    Can’t wait for your comment after the High Court decision … we’ll all be waiting … 🙂

  32. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 4, 2022 7:12 pm

    https://7news.com.au/business/rba-sticks-to-low-cash-rate-until-2024-c-4154222

    The Reserve Bank of Australia governor Philip Lowe is sticking to his long held view that the cash rate won’t be lifted before 2024.

    Philip Lowe is on $1M/year

  33. Tony permalink
    May 4, 2022 8:10 pm

    Can’t wait for your comment after the High Court decision … we’ll all be waiting … 🙂

    Guffaw! What was your comment after the High Court’s Pell decision?

    Or what is it now?

  34. Tom R permalink
    May 4, 2022 9:41 pm

    Finally, calling the bullshit

  35. May 5, 2022 8:17 am

    Boasting about low levels of revenue raising (read tax, including company tax – both local and foreign) is akin to boasting about levels of service(s).

    Understand why it’s a vote winner but it’s a nonsense. Labor should be better than that.

  36. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2022 9:23 am

    Availing herself of euthanasia laws should solve her problem:

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 5, 2022 10:03 am

    Baggage handlers at Qantas had a saying- “you’d be a mug if you worked a single time shift”
    That’s why they insist on minimum staffing- so that they can get people to work nil 10 and overtime shifts.
    It’s a cycle/rort and had to come to an end

  38. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2022 10:19 am

    It’s a cycle/rort and had to come to an end

    You need to get out of the 80’s man, we’ve moved on from there 😉

    Hows that flu thing going anyway?

  39. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    May 5, 2022 1:58 pm

    Alan Joyce claimed millions in job keeper tax-payer funded subsides and then shipped Australian jobs offshore anyway.

    It’s a cycle/rort and had to come to an end.

  40. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2022 2:22 pm

    It’s a cycle/rort and had to come to an end.

    BUT IT’S NOT ILLEGAL! (if you ignore the courts decision)

  41. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2022 2:42 pm

    Australia’s Joe Biden:

  42. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2022 3:05 pm

    Can’t name the six points of Labor’s NDIS plan, so gets handed a document by his advisor. … at which point, he names the six points of Labor’s NDIS plan.

    OK, what’s the issue?

  43. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2022 3:26 pm

    Flush the Liu:

  44. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2022 3:35 pm

    The issue is that Eachway is a blithering idiot. He’s always had more attitude than intellect. Definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed.

  45. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2022 3:42 pm

    Definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed.
    What, because he doesn’t have a photographic memory?

    They were at an event for power, so the churnos threw a range of detailed questions about other topics altogether, several of them. When he failed to remember the finer details of one, he did what any normal person does, he reached for the manual, and supplied them with the answer

    So, Albo answers all questions, and they have a panic attack, meanwhile, the alleged rape coverup king runs away, and not a word

  46. Know Kollusion`Teabag permalink
    May 5, 2022 3:50 pm

    “two party preferred” l reckon this is the so-called experts going all 2016 again. There is apparently 22 aqua independents running, knot that l have won to choose, and could really send everything much more watermelon than before. (-: FanFcukingTastic!`

  47. Teabag`Lite permalink
    May 5, 2022 3:55 pm

    Sorry teamcheerer, the only thing that underwhelmy albonese will advance is a huge ‘lavander’ independent onslaught next 2025? election. The teabag lite’s spent too much of the the last three years going me-too, meetoo, meetoo.`

  48. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2022 3:58 pm

    “So, Albo answers all questions, and they have a panic attack, meanwhile, the alleged rape coverup king runs away, and not a word”

    Tom R, you are so cute and absolutely hilarious when you go full drongo troll. It’s what elections do to you.

  49. May 5, 2022 4:14 pm

    There’s any number of gotchas that might be asked. So many, if not most, Sections in the Australian Constitution (under which the Parliament operates) which are completely unknown to the vast majority of Senators and Members.

    Under which Section of the Constitution does Minister X, get his/her ‘head of power’ to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to ‘weights and measures’?

    What do you understand by the ‘Separation of Powers’?

    Are you aware that the Chinese (Russian etc) ambassador is an Australian taxpayer?

    Did you know that the Australian Ambassador to Russia contributes to their revenue?

    Etc, etc

  50. Tom R permalink
    May 5, 2022 4:37 pm

    Tom R, you are so cute

    True. Also, I am correct 😉

  51. May 5, 2022 6:16 pm

    Just watched Morrison say a few rehearsed words before The Drum.

    Noted that the camera lingered/focused (for some extended time) on his ‘wedding ring’.

    Expect that happily ‘married’ man theme to be further developed. It’s a point of (unstated) differentiation.

    Morrison is a good politician.

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2022 6:19 pm

    Tom R, you are so cute and absolutely hilarious when you go full drongo troll. It’s what elections do to you.

    Do you EVER read your own comments, splats? I know, silly question for an ad hominem comment.

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2022 6:26 pm

    Morrison is a good politician.

    Good? At anything? You astound me sometimes and bother me at others, MN …

    Liked the “question” comment above … most pollies don’t realize that their “prime function” is to make laws … most of then can’t spell LAW …

    Reminds me of the motor mechanics joke … (who had to fix machinery designed (only) by engineers … “Yesterday I couldn’t spell engineer, now I are one!”

    Apologies to all the engineers I know … oh, hang on they all know …

  54. May 5, 2022 6:36 pm

    TB – Morrison is very good at politics. Very effective.

    BTW, being described as a ‘good politician’ is seen as a damming comment in some circles, at least.

    Make no mistake, Morrison has no ethical boundaries. There’s no depths he won’t plumb. That’s what makes him a very ‘good’ (effective) politician.

  55. May 5, 2022 6:41 pm

    I reckon half of the engineers I know are just filling chairs.

    The other half are excellent and indispensable.

    Process engineers are generally less useful than the experienced people running the process.

    Good mechanical engineers are very valuable, especially if they have any actual experience with tools in hand.

    Electrical engineers, the proficient ones, are next level.

    Not many of any of them can construct good sentences , or even spell reliably; makes me fucking cringe.

  56. May 5, 2022 6:46 pm

    Anyone surprised that Russia has upped the nuclear stakes?

  57. May 5, 2022 6:47 pm

    I mean not many engineers can spell…not the electrical engineers specifically.

  58. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 6, 2022 6:44 am

    “silly question”

    True that.

    “ad hominem comment”

    You really haven’t studied formal logic, have you? A statement of fact or opinion can be true or false but is not susceptible to being ad hominem. The term ad hominem applies to arguments but not descriptions:

    Ad hominem (Latin for ‘to the person’), short for argumentum ad hominem (Latin for ‘argument to the person’), refers to several types of arguments, some but not all of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. The most common form of ad hominem is “A makes a claim x, B asserts that A holds a property that is unwelcome, and hence B concludes that argument x is wrong”.
    Fallacious ad hominem reasoning occurs where the validity of an argument is not based on deduction or syllogism, but on an attribute of the person putting it forward.

    Calling Tom R “cute” or a “troll” can be true or false but it can’t be an argumentum ad hominem because it isn’t an argument.

    You’re welcome.

  59. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2022 9:31 am

    where the speaker attacks the character

    I guess calling people a troll (correctly or incorrectly) isn’t attacking their character, is it?

    I also note that you haven’t refuted that I am correct, which can only mean, I WON THE ONLINE ARGUMENT!

    You’re welcome 🙂

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2022 10:40 am

    You really haven’t studied formal logic, have you?

    Have you?

    Reading about something and actually understanding and applying it – competently – have completely different outcomes …

    Improvise, Adapt and Overcome

    You could join the US Marines … improvise, adapt and overcome.

    2/10 must try harder …

  61. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2022 11:19 am

    Poor wachel just keeps getting slammed

    As she should

  62. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    May 6, 2022 11:38 am

    That’s priceless Tom..!

  63. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2022 11:51 am

    That’s priceless

    Well, there is a price, and I’m sure murdor pays her well to be so stupid 😉

  64. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 6, 2022 12:40 pm

    “Have you?”

    Yes. One semester subject. Got a distinction.

  65. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 6, 2022 12:46 pm

    “I guess calling people a troll (correctly or incorrectly) isn’t attacking their character, is it?”

    The point is that calling a person a troll isn’t an argument.

  66. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 6, 2022 12:53 pm

    Poor old Eachway really isn’t on top of his brief, is he? He’s just a dumb thug.

  67. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2022 1:05 pm

    Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy

    You read bad

  68. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 6, 2022 1:08 pm

    No argument from me, Tom R. 😉

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2022 1:20 pm

    Albanese gotcha?
    As I’ve mentioned, some years ago, i woked with a large prominent public company.
    Each quarter the CEO would conduct staff presentations across the country.
    Some of the intelligent, and feisty, shop floor guys would try to trip him up with detailed questions about operational, scheduling and procurement issues
    He was never flummoxed, he was always able to answer all the questions thrown at him
    Across the detail- that’s a characteristic of leadership

  70. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2022 1:55 pm

    i woked with a large prominent public company.

    I always knew you had it in ya 😉

  71. May 6, 2022 2:20 pm

    Re:

    Across the detail …

    Leaders should (read must) be about strategy – sometimes known as the the big picture. Managers and lesser employees (in the organisational sense) are there for the detail – to fill in the ‘blanks’ as it were.

    So there’s strategy and then there’s tactics . Somewhat related but conceptually discrete concepts for most important matters.

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2022 2:39 pm

    No MN- Elliott Jacques is probably the most prominent thinker about organisations. Stratified Systems wasn’t just about levels of work, strategy and complexity.
    Leaders aren’t simply responsible for strategy. That’s a cop out. It is public sector thinking.
    Leaders have to be capable of getting people on board , being able to talk about their plans and strategy in a manner that connects and is relevant to them. That’s details
    The 5 year plan for the board is about a third of the job of a CEO. Boards will usually review the plan search quarter, but they will look at sales, expenditure, operational performance (and non conformance) each month. That’s detail.
    Leaders have to be across the detail- so that they can hold others accountable.

  73. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2022 3:08 pm

    Leaders have to be capable of getting people on board , being able to talk about their plans and strategy in a manner that connects and is relevant to them.

    getting people on board ya say 😉

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2022 4:27 pm

    One semester subject. Got a distinction.

    LOL!

    ………………………………………

    i woked

    I woked? That explains so much! LOL!

    ……………………………………….

    So there’s strategy and then there’s tactics .

    Wasting your time, MN, this is ToM, your “communicating” with … leadership was a one semester subject and he got an extinction* … 🧐

    Begin with the four pillars of management … planning, leading, organising and controlling. And work down from there …

    Luckily planning comes first …

  75. Tom R permalink
    May 6, 2022 4:43 pm

    and he got an extinction

    🙂

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2022 6:06 pm

    Re: “your “communicating” ” ——- oops …

    “You’re” … ToM is also the Grammar Police … he’s an espert* and woke about that too … 😎

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 6, 2022 7:04 pm

    I see TB has dusted off his 30 year old notes from his 3 day course – “The Essentials of Supervision”

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    May 7, 2022 10:37 am

    LOL! Bloody hell, ToM, don’t keep demonstrating your limitations …

    Start Here:

    https://open.lib.umn.edu/principlesmanagement/chapter/1-5-planning-organizing-leading-and-controlling-2/

  79. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 7, 2022 10:55 am

    And there you go! Demonstrating that you don’t quite grasp that leadership isn’t management

  80. May 7, 2022 3:34 pm

    Yes an interesting article and some excellent points made (read I agree with him) but Das has a reputation as a ‘gloomy’ commentator (historically speaking.).

    But then again ‘economics’ is such a dismal undertaking.

    https://www.crikey.com.au/2017/10/04/satyajit-das-angry-australias-economic-growth/

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    May 7, 2022 5:10 pm

    Demonstrating that you don’t quite grasp that leadership isn’t management

    Oh! Yes it is! Whose demonstrating – what?

  82. May 8, 2022 8:29 am

    Who would’ve thought?

    government review … fallen short of saying pork-barrelling should be an offence.

    In other words, nothing will change .

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-07/nsw-grant-review-does-not-support-pork-barrelling-as-offence/101047194

    Let’s see whether the NSW ICAC has the courage when reporting on the hearings involving former premier Gladys Berejiklian.

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2022 3:21 pm

    A sobering article on the state of Australia’s property market…

    Looking at the “time” you commented, reb I’d just finished the article AND the comments …

    Just went back to the comments … some strange and fascinating reading … this one caught my attention …

    Eagle61 – Or one can be a rent-slave, working poor, contributing to the advancing lifestyle of some other whilst still guaranteeing the quality of their own is heavily compromised or outright nonexistent. In the US we have people working two jobs, living our of their car, homeless. Australia appears to be heading full-steam down the same road with most blind they are being led this way.

    How many times have I said we do not want to become the 51st State of the US of A …

    And the inevitable …

    Reason4
    7 May 2022 9:08

    Sadly when it comes to property there are an awful lot of ‘us’ that are part of that elite

    Boomers are the worst!

    🙃

  84. May 8, 2022 4:26 pm

    Solomon also noted that Morrison’s ‘public autocracy’ comment has its problems;

    ” It is a fundamental principle that government can only spend public monies in accordance with the laws passed by the parliament. The laws set out what grants can be made, what criteria have must be applied, and who makes the decisions. The money isn’t there for ministers to dish out at their whim.”

    https://johnmenadue.com/who-is-the-autocrat/

    Wish the MSM had the wit and wisdom to contribute to ‘good government’.

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    May 8, 2022 6:19 pm

    The laws set out …

    This has always been the problem, MN … before and after Runnymeade … how we make them accountable is inadequate (always has been) … every three years by folk who really don’t understand what they’re voting for is limited to say the least … and advantageous for political rogues … (deliberate?) … my biggest concern is the Christian influence in the western democracies … back to the future?

  86. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    May 8, 2022 6:21 pm

    POLL SHOCK: As pre-polls open tomorrow, a horror poll for the coalition has Labor dramatically increasing its lead to 57 / 43 2PP (Ipsos). The coalition's primary vote has dropped below 30, and Albanese leads Morrison on preferred PM by 5 points. #auspol pic.twitter.com/5mpnWPwVwS— PRGuy (@PRGuy17) May 8, 2022

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  87. May 8, 2022 8:29 pm

    From your link re Doherty’s comment:

    the skewing of government funding to private schools

    Yes it’s morally indefensible but it’s crucial politics for both sides of the aisle and it’s not likely to change. A few points as to why.

    First – under Section 96, the Feds can grant financial assistance to any state on the terms and conditions that it sees fit. So while Section 51 sees control of Education remaining with the States, no State will refuse any Federal money on offer and no private school will reject the dollars either. So the Feds have the power of the purse.

    Second – while the Feds could provide dollars to all school sectors, it chooses (generally) to concentrate on the private for essentially vote winning reasons.

    Third – the demographics of who attends different sectors if located on a (class) continuum, would see (generally) state school students on the left and private school students on the right (or vice versa). Catholic school students are much more evenly spread. Much more likely to be located in the middle .

    Given that elections are won or lost by a very narrow margin (and at the middle), it’s crucial that this massive ‘pork barrel’ of spending on education is so focused. The Catholics MUST be won over, And because the government must be seen to be fair the funding formula translates across to all in the private sector.

    (Of course it’s more nuanced than that but that’s the guts of it.

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2022 10:29 am

    Much more likely to be located in the middle .

    Disagree … more likely lean to the right* especially the one’s I know/and have known… thus problems with marriage equality, abortion, euthanasia, etc … continue to arise

    *which, on reflection, actually reinforces your argument … it’s crucial that this massive ‘pork barrel’ of spending on education is so focused

    Doesn’t make it right (unintended) and doesn’t make it impossible to legislate a fairer system rather than supporting the Catholic Cathedrals of Misleading Information being constructed all over Brisbane …

    It’s wrong, unfair and contributes to making the poor poorer… creates a class society.

    If private schools want to exist they should not be government supported (religious organisations are not destitute) … there is no evidence that private schools are any “better” than state schools with regard to “results” what it does is create cliques of arrogance and ignorance of the real world …

  89. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 9, 2022 11:59 am

    Having private schools means the government has more money to spend on public schools.

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2022 12:14 pm

    That needs explaining …

  91. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 9, 2022 1:17 pm

    The combined government subsidies for private schools is much less per capita than the government spends on public schools. If all kids went to private schools the government would need raise a lot more money.

    If the government subsidies for private schools are eliminated then most parents will not be able to afford private school fees and will send their kids to government schools necessitating more government expenditure. Only the very rich will be able to afford to send their kids to private schools.

    Incidentally, in NSW the best performing schools are government selective schools. These are largely colonised by children from well-to-do families who can afford extra tuition to enable their primary school children to meet the requirements for admission to the selective schools.

  92. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 9, 2022 1:18 pm

    Sorry, “If all kids went to private</strike) public schools…."

  93. May 9, 2022 1:24 pm

    Note well:

    … found students in independent schools got the best scores, followed by Catholic, then public schools; however, after adjusting for students’ socioeconomic background there were no significant differences between their average scores.

    In other words, the socioeconomic background of the school is what matters, not school type.

    Yes and while the socioeconomic background of the school that matters and one can go even further and demonstrate that it’s the socioeconomic background of the student(s) that’s crucial.

    Most don’t appreciate that the curriculum (what is taught) is common to all schools which prepare students for a common credential . That is, the same external exams evaluated by common criteria. Further, the teachers in all sectors themselves undergo the same professional preparation and socialisation process.

    Today’s media involving Brother Stuie Robert (Acting Education Minister) demonstrated abject ignorance when it came to understanding anything about how the education system works.

    But he’s a cheaper option than Minister Tudge who just cost the citizenry $500 000.00 because of his violent sexual behavior.

    https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/want-to-bet-your-child-can-achieve-top-marks-in-a-public-school-me-too-20220506-p5aj8d.html?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=gnews&utm_campaign=CDAqEAgAKgcICjCr2aULMIPkvQMwsJxN&utm_content=rundown&gaa_at=g&gaa_n=AYc4ystsj31qtrxWigyJwPkwIA32lVMSQvUdll1Yo6XRZCsBUjs-j_vsUyHV9YYcyub4ZkSO55pgu-67tzqeltxsIuY%3D&gaa_ts=62788d03&gaa_sig=LWGb_kEgHwxKRLSl-jy60ArbHieGNQT2-2O9qpbuEF4tW-84MUlsvHs6YvD4-Kcgimxjz79-B-SKsZc2XWASmg%3D%3D

  94. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 9, 2022 1:25 pm

    public

  95. May 9, 2022 1:51 pm

    Splatterbottom – much of what you write was true decades ago but certainly not true today.

    The cost of teachers in both private and public schools comes (effectively) from government funds and that’s the most significant cost by far. The idea that private schools relieves the cost to government is so ‘yesterday’.

    Indeed there are many examples where the dollars paid to a private school are greater than the dollars paid to a public school, virtually next door. But it’s not publicised.

    Lots of the research grunt (of recent times) comes from Chris Bonner. So if you seriously want to establish a few ‘truths’, include his his name in any Google.

    Did you know that the Kings School at Parramatta charges fees of $40 000.00 (for day students) and yet still gets state and federal subsidies on top of that that? All under the heading of ‘NEED’. (About 3 times what a state school gets.)

    More the case, it’s parents’ political need rather than students’ educational need.

    As for (state) selective schools in NSW, they have topped ALL the rankings for more than two decades. These days such schools are populated (overwhelmingly) by students from either Asian or Indian backgrounds. Read this:

    https://johnmenadue.com/christina-ho-and-chris-bonnor-hubs-of-concentrated-advantage-selective-schools-need-a-rethink/

  96. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2022 2:10 pm

    The combined government subsidies for private schools is much less per capita than the government spends on public schools

    That ignores so much. The main points being,
    Giving private institutions more money so they can spend more money raises the cost of education expenses for everyone.
    The economy of scale is lost to public schools, who still need to cover the same areas, but with less students at school, many going to smaller, independent schools
    Public schools don’t get to pick and choose, they must cater for everyone.
    That is a small snapshot of the major issues subsidizing private schools creates

    And, the longer this goes on, the worst it gets for the public schools, as these points are exacerbated

  97. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 9, 2022 3:32 pm

    “These days such schools are populated (overwhelmingly) by students from either Asian or Indian backgrounds.”

    I’m pleased that parents who value education are able to get a good education for their children. A lot of groups who are marginalised or suffer discrimination end up having better socio-economic outcomes. There is a reason for this and there are lessons to be learned from them by other less successful groups. Amy Wax explains:

    “That culture laid out the script we all were supposed to follow: Get married before you have children and strive to stay married for their sake. Get the education you need for gainful employment, work hard, and avoid idleness. Go the extra mile for your employer or client. Be a patriot, ready to serve the country. Be neighbourly, civic-minded, and charitable. Avoid coarse language in public. Be respectful of authority. Eschew substance abuse and crime.”

    Children of parents willing to make sacrifices so that those children can get a better education and more cultured upbringing than their parents had will do better.

  98. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2022 3:44 pm

    Avoid coarse language in public.

    Thoughts here splats? 🙂

  99. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 9, 2022 3:48 pm

    Except on the Guttertrash, motherfucker!

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2022 3:53 pm

    And, the longer this goes on, the worst it gets for the public schools, as these points are exacerbated

    https://theconversation.com/going-to-private-school-wont-make-a-difference-to-your-kids-academic-scores-175638

    https://www.ellaslist.com.au/articles/are-private-schools-really-better-than-public-schools

    Shiny facilities, private school buses, indoor swimming pools, massive sports facilities and location location location … won’t make children better adults or better students … in fact often the opposite …

    We have a friend who is a “devout” catholic* and has worked for years at the local catholic primary school … she prides herself in “assisting” children by completing their assessments for them … and she is “accomplished” when it comes to filling out forms for government assistance/funding for the school for third world immigrant children …

    *I must confess (see that?) I was astounded one night when I discovered she was unaware that the First (Old) Testament came from the Torah … she was in denial when she was shown evidence … funny thing religion …

    https://www.smh.com.au/education/thirty-studies-and-15–years-later-review-shows-public-schools-produce-same-results-20150415-1mlrvg.html

    Private schools received an extra $10bn funding in Coalition ‘special deals’, study finds. The Morrison government has directed an extra $10bn to private schools since 2018 while public schools are underfunded by at least $6.5bn every year, according to a new report.27 Apr 2022

    Indefensible!

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2022 4:10 pm

    Children of parents willing to make sacrifices so that those children can get a better education and more cultured upbringing than their parents had will do better.

    My parents (and both worked) couldn’t afford a bloody high school uniform for me any “sacrifice” as you put it, would have taken food off the table … I went to work at 14! … my sister, seven years younger went to high school. Her two daughters went to girls catholic schools and turned out nastier than their mother!

    More culture … WOW! Just WOW!

    They will do better? Read above … that is proven BS … as is the culture tripe …

    The reputations of many private schools/colleges is not something I would be envious of …

    My parents ran their own businesses throughout their lives … fish and chip shop, painting and decorating, corner shop and local cafe … my sister married into a millionaires family … (I suppose you think making a million makes you cultured too)

    And yes … I have a trade certificate on the wall in my study … alongside with my B.Bus, Diplomas and a number of Certificates … more cultured my arse …

    BTW what does “cultured actually mean to you, splats? Very interested.

  102. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2022 4:11 pm

    The Morrison government has directed an extra $10bn to private schools since 2018 while public schools are underfunded by at least $6.5bn every year

    See my comment about exacerbating the issue

    morrison has done to education what howard did to aged care, and abbott did to our internet. Destroyed it

    It is going to major structural changes, along with a massive transfer of both money and priorities, to fix this this

  103. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 9, 2022 5:18 pm

    “BTW what does “cultured” actually mean to you, splats? Very interested.”

    TB, it means many things. In the sentence I used the word, namely: “better education and more cultured upbringing” I was using it in a more narrow sense, referring to those parents who take their kids to museums, art galleries and concerts, send them to Korean class on the weekend (or what other ethnicity is relevant) or arrange for music lessons or dancing classes.

  104. Tom R permalink
    May 9, 2022 5:48 pm

    art galleries and concerts

    I took mine to Iron Maiden, so they got LOTS of culture there 🙂

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2022 6:17 pm

    I was using it in a more narrow sense

    The only way it can be interpreted in an Australian egalitarian society … you actually come from a different overseas culture … you are in the medieval class culture …

    However, it is insulting to someone who actually came from an English working class family as a child immigrant, whose family worked hard to improve themselves and who have always been reminded to be contributing members to our society … upheld three generations later!

    Culture is in the heart not the education – there is wriggle room there!

    I was born in Yorkshire but became a Queenslander after the first tropical downpour (liquid sunshine) wet me through and I was dry fifteen minutes later …and a bit later, found out that everyone went to school barefoot! Yep, kids don’t GAFF about culture …

    You want culture go and play with the Royals … and even that is a joke …

    Reminder – provision of the resources for education, health, food, shelter and safety and care for the needy are prime government responsibilities … NOT culture even in the narrowest of senses … poverty stricken people (3,000,000 in Australia) don’t need culture … they need help … where are all the tax free religions doing the first socialist’s work … swanning around — where is that arsehole Pell now anyway? (Don’t reply – I can Google as well as anyone here – I even have an eReader … unlike Lord ToM who still needs a library to be open … nuf! Rant over!

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    May 9, 2022 6:23 pm

    I took mine to Iron Maiden, so they got LOTS of culture there 🙂

    I took mine to the local seafront (two streets away) with home cooked hot chips in newspaper wrapping – just like all the other kids — who had theirs bought at the local chippie …

    How times change … and how well those kids have done!

    My son’s favourite group … (my song select – even I like this one)

  107. May 9, 2022 6:45 pm

    Might be useful if more people understood what schooling actually does before theorizing as to what it might do.

    First, it’s fairly successful in keeping kids “off the (metaphorical) streets”. Keeping them out of harm’s way allowing parents to go to work etc. The custodial care function.

    Second, it’s important in the general socialising function. Children (should) learn that they are not the only ones in the world and they have to wait their turn; give way to others; that there are power differentials; ‘manners’ etc

    Third, schooling is effective in the social selection process. That is, it creates a ‘hierarchy’ that legitimates a selection process which sees some selected for higher ‘rewards’ (including financial, status, prestige, social and the like). And (importantly) it’s successful in convincing large numbers that where they sit in this hierarchy is ‘deserved’. We all had the same chance and some did better than others. etc.

    This is reinforced by elaborate ‘credentialing’ arrangements.

    Fourth, some actual ‘education’ occurs along with with heaps of ‘indoctrination’ both at the conscious and unconscious level(s).

    A society without schools would be very different.

  108. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 10, 2022 7:58 am

    “My parents … I went to work … my sister, ……. Her two daughters ….”

    TB, its not all about you. You are not the measure of all things. You are just another rambling, opiniated old bastard. Here’s some advice – first you need to break up with yourself. Go to the mirror, wipe off the slobbering kisses and dried-on semen, turn it to the wall and look outwards at the rest of the world.

    Once you’ve escaped your self-abusive relationship you can start to heal. You’ll begin to have logical thoughts again. If you can stay away from the mirror and the hand cream you might start trying to understand where other people are coming from and you will even feel a few twinges of empathy.

    I don’t know why my reference to culture triggered you so. My statement in that regard is absolutely correct. Your ramblings sound like Dementia Joe on a bad day. Like him you seem unable to complete a sentence, just rambling from one incoherent thought to the next. Sad, really.

  109. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 10, 2022 8:14 am

    “I took mine to Iron Maiden, so they got LOTS of culture there”

    Exactly. A good heavy metal show is like good opera – highly theatrical, OTT costumes and over-acting with some good musicianship and lyrics if you’re lucky.

    Big Days Out for us. And Soundwave. Happy days.

  110. reb of Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2022 9:10 am

    Everyone needs to read this…

    https://sydneyreviewofbooks.com/essay/amen-snorter-rotten-fish/

  111. Tom R permalink
    May 10, 2022 10:09 am

    From the link reb

    Morrison has cultivated a vacuous public image that might have been dreamed up by the world’s most dimwitted focus group, and probably was. He is the avatar of an intellectual nonentity. He appears to have no clearly articulated policy agenda or ideological viewpoint beyond that standard neoliberal banalities. The incoherence, it seems, goes all the way down. As Bernard Keane wrote in response to another speech in which Morrison sought to outline his core principles: ‘it offers no guide for anything — and thus, inevitably, a justification for everything’. The political historian Judith Brett described the same speech, only slightly more charitably, as ‘contentless’ and ‘rather nebulous’.

    Not only that, he’s a blatant, perpetual liar. He told the cuntry on chanel nein that the Federal Government had no control over the Port of Darwin (as Albo pointed out, “you mean, in the Territory?”)

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2022 5:00 pm

    Qld private school ‘Maggie’s’ buys Stefanovic’s childhood home

    Yep, those catholic schools must be desperate for government handouts and subsidise their tax free status … to brainwash kids …

    “Maggie’s” must need somewhere to park the school buses – or a spare $4,100,000 …

    https://www.realestate.com.au/news/qld-private-school-maggies-buys-stefanovics-childhood-home/?rsf=syn:news:nca:news:spa:strap

    The hypocrisy is mind-blowing!

    Once again look to the “enablers” … even Jesse James needed a gang …

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2022 5:06 pm

    As an aside, I just received a pair of tailgate gas struts … from Latvia … ordered on the 3rd shipped on the 4th … six days ain’t bad, I reckon …

    Included insurance for stray missiles, shells or any other military rounds.

    (Struts are made in Italy … fitted to Bruce, easliy – that’s our Santa Fe to you lot – in five minutes ) 😎

  114. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 11, 2022 10:24 am

    Dementia Joe, through his spokesperson, Ginger Goebbels, is encouraging people to break the law.

    The US now has two-tier system of Justice. Ginger Goebbels will not be prosecuted for incitement. Nor will the insurrectionists trying to cow the third branch of government to do their will be prosecuted by Merrick “Mongrel” Garland’s Department of “Justice”.

    Demonstrating outside the home of a judge is punishable by prison:

    18 U.S. Code § 1507 – Picketing or parading
    U.S. Code

    Whoever, with the intent of interfering with, obstructing, or impeding the administration of justice, or with the intent of influencing any judge, juror, witness, or court officer, in the discharge of his duty, pickets or parades in or near a building housing a court of the United States, or in or near a building or residence occupied or used by such judge, juror, witness, or court officer, or with such intent uses any sound-truck or similar device or resorts to any other demonstration in or near any such building or residence, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

    Nothing in this section shall interfere with or prevent the exercise by any court of the United States of its power to punish for contempt.

  115. May 11, 2022 1:16 pm

    So Barnaby goes to the National Press Club to do his “snorting”? Has no shame.

  116. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 11, 2022 1:20 pm

    None!

  117. May 11, 2022 1:34 pm

    That Barnaby is a Legislator can be ‘justified’ on the grounds we have a ‘representative’ democracy and therefore even the mentally challenged must have a seat at the table. They must be ‘represented’.

    But in the ‘Executive’ arm of government, it is not mandated that such ‘low intelligence’ makes a continuing appearance.

  118. May 11, 2022 1:39 pm

    So Germany is re-arming? And who is demanding that?

    Nothing to do with US pressure? Being a good NATO member?

    And he is the Leader/PM when Morrison is ‘on the beach’?

  119. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 11, 2022 2:06 pm

    Albo is a dumb thug, clueless about his own policies. Yet we are going to have to but up with him as PM. At least until Eddie’s Girl Kneelly knifes him.

  120. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    May 11, 2022 3:55 pm

    Splatter you don’t know your arse from your albo.

  121. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 11, 2022 4:02 pm

    I know my arse, I just don’t want Albo in it. I doubt he has the required vigour and I dread the quality of the conversation après.

  122. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    May 11, 2022 5:17 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  123. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 11, 2022 5:18 pm

    There are two sides to every moiuth!

  124. May 11, 2022 7:34 pm

    Did you know that if wages keep up with inflation, then we will all be ruined? But if most of the ‘surplus value’ is allocated to capital then all will be fine.

    So any political discussion will be confined the hypothetical effects of wage increases.

    Sounds fair?

  125. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2022 10:04 pm

    Australia has the highest minimum wage in the world

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2022 8:27 am

    Australia has the highest minimum wage in the world

    Nothing to be proud of …

    I was told recent;y (once again) that Australia’s problem was our wages were too high … I asked him, “Are your wages too high?” End of discussion … beginning of sulking!

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2022 8:35 am

    Scott Morrison has been slammed as “desperate and unhinged” for opposing a $1-an-hour wage rise for the nation’s lowest paid workers, given that he earns more than $10,000 a week.

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2022 9:55 am

    So, having the highest minimum wage in the world is ….”Nothing to be proud of …”
    Where would you prefer to rank TB?

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2022 10:04 am

    Where would you prefer to rank TB?

    Why “rank” minimum “wage” at all? To many other variables in the economy … it’s simplistic and frankly naive …

  130. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 12, 2022 10:05 am

    ToM you misspelled ‘wank’ in your last comment.

  131. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2022 10:26 am

    I see TB, you think it isn’t of assistance to have a legal minimum wage of over $20 an hour when many other developed countries have about half that.
    Yes, TB is an outstanding ranker of a small point

  132. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 12, 2022 10:30 am

    Same misspelling!

  133. May 12, 2022 11:33 am

    So Australia shouldn’t lead the world when it comes to minimum wage level? (Assuming the claim is true).

    Think of it this way. Thus inflation should be at a higher rate than wage rises with living standards in subsequent decline, led (downwards) by the lowest paid workers.

    Seems fair?

  134. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2022 11:39 am

    I think it’s great that Australia has the highest minimum wage in the world, and it’s something we should talk about
    It’s better than not having the highest minimum wage in the world

  135. May 12, 2022 11:47 am

    From another perspective:

    Over the last eight years, profits overall have risen 72.8%, an average annual lift of 7.07%. Several sectors have more than doubled their profit …

    Wages have risen over the last eight years under the Coalition by a total of 24.2%, or a miserly 2.7% per year on average. Inflation has averaged 1.8%.

    The outcome(s) result from deliberate policy. As a result the surplus value has been appropriated by those who need it least.

    In a real democracy, with power in different hands, the outcome would be radically different.

  136. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2022 11:55 am

    What’s the link, and do you advocate rewarding workers via a share of company profitability?

  137. May 12, 2022 12:01 pm

    Re;

    It’s better than not having the highest minimum wage in the world

    Indeed it is. (If true). But surely we shouldn’t be putting the cue in the rack?

    Records are there to be broken. Nations should aim ever higher. That so many companies transfer enormous wealth to foreign shores each and every year demonstrate there’s still enormous amounts of low-hanging fruit to be harvested.

    (Sadly, an incoming Albo government won’t change much. Rather the aim will be to win the next election in the same manner. That is – don’t scare the horses.)

  138. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    May 12, 2022 1:47 pm

    I don’t normally read the gutter filth at news.com.au but this is spectacular…

    https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/pms-claim-tudge-not-linked-to-500000-payout-to-rachelle-miller-proved-false-in-letter/news-story/fef41474b5a47c4324e632c9a0ab80ae

  139. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2022 1:49 pm

    Imploring us to do even better and not rest on our laurels is quite different from constant whining about how miserable the place is

  140. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    May 12, 2022 1:50 pm

    “Mr Tudge has previously confirmed he had an intimate relationship with Ms Miller that did not involve sexual intercourse.

    However, the relationship did involve the employer and employee spending time together naked in bed.”

    To be fair, who amongst us hasn’t…… oh… never mind..

  141. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    May 12, 2022 2:08 pm

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2022 3:26 pm

    reb, strange you should remind me of a similar situation in PNG …

    The Minister for War, Water, Finance & Fun employed a “house boy” to do her ironing (we both worked) … and decided to pay him 7 kina an hour (a kina then was worth about A$1.50 … the going rate was 5k …

    The expat community “ladies” were most upset at her for “ruining the local economy” … our houseboy continued to work for 7k and his so did his brother who asked if he could do our “gardening” …

    Every Australian should live for at least six months in a third world country and see how lucky they are (were) …

    (Note: We lived in a company duplex)

  143. May 12, 2022 9:01 pm

    I received and started reading Snowden’s book last night.

    Very interesting and engaging so far.

    Thanks, eruptive anus.

  144. May 13, 2022 6:36 am

    Interesting POV:

    https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/ever-changing-past-why-all-history-revisionist-history

    It’s from the USA and like much from that place, there is a failure to recognise it’s a path well trod.

    Try E H Carr – What is History?

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/101323.What_Is_History_

  145. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 13, 2022 8:20 am

    Glad you’re enjoying it T-Boss.

  146. Tom R permalink
    May 13, 2022 12:09 pm

    constant whining about how miserable the place is

    I blame the DEAD HAND OF THE UNIONS!

    but this is spectacular

    It’s ok, apparently, he is going to change after the election. I’m almost convinced

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