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Scott Morrison explains: “Why God abandoned me.”

May 22, 2022

FORMER PRIME MINISTER Scott Morrison is reportedly devastated following his crushing defeat at the federal election.

A senior Liberal insider told The Gutter Trash that the Liberal Party leader was confident of a repeat performance of his so-called election-winning “miracle” in 2019 telling the party faithful God spoke to him through a talking hedgehog earlier this week that he was “destined to remain PM forever.”

According to reports, the hedgehog said: “Have I not brought you this far? Now is not the the time to doubt your magnificence”.

In response, Morrison reminded the hedgehog that he too, had played his part of the deal – trying to get Brain Houston to the Whitehouse and by promoting incompetent but god-fearing pentecostal politicians to senior positions within his own cabinet.

Nevertheless, there was no repeat miracle and the Liberal Party has been annihilated with a generation of senior Liberal figures including Josh Frydenberg, Trent Zimmerman, Dave Sharma and Tim Wilson ousted from their seats and their political careers in tatters.

The avuncular Peter Dutton, who appears to have held on in the seat of Dickson is expected to become the Leader of whatever’s left of the Liberal Party, which seems strangely fitting.

The lord moves in mysterious ways.

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  1. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    May 22, 2022 9:38 am

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    May 22, 2022 10:16 am

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  3. May 22, 2022 10:29 am

    Be a fitting gesture to send the Jet to Perth and thence express to Biloela.

  4. May 22, 2022 10:53 am

    Does this mean that The Great Replacement Theory is now alive and well here in Australia?

    Suspect that Sky is already writing that script because … it works in the USA.

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2022 11:23 am

    The lord moves in mysterious ways.

    Aye! Praise be Da Debil! 🤬😡😡😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2022 11:32 am

    “Have I not brought you this far? … “ Mmmmmm …

    Just a slight edit, reb, I’m pretty sure the hedgehog would not be using common slang …

    “Have I not brought thee this far? … ” Would be far more appropriate …

    I’m sure ToM would agree … speaking of whom? Where the fk art thou?

    I notice Da Debil turned purple in my last comment, do hope that isn’t an omen 😲

    Speaking of omens, is the 31st PM a lucky number? Backwards its 13 unlucky … just askin’ …

    (tho’ in this household 13 is considered lucky ’tis a birthday)

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2022 11:35 am

    Be a fitting gesture to send the Jet to Perth and thence express to Biloela.

    Hear! Hear! MN, said a similar thing early this morning … perhaps the hedgehog 🦔 has some compassion and influence …

  8. Adnil permalink
    May 22, 2022 11:51 am

    Hallelujah and praise be to that fella upstairs👏 You done good 😊

  9. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2022 3:46 pm

    And then the Hedgehog said unto his brethren. “That’s not what a Fucken Prayer Room is for!”

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2022 5:05 pm

    In a second reading, from the Book of Micah, Morrison quoted, “My God will hear me. Do not rejoice over me, enemy of mine. Though I fall, I will rise. Though I live in darkness, the Lord is a light for me.”

    Another example of why Morrison lost … bitterness and arrogance … and religious nonsense …

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2022 5:13 pm

    The Teals are irrelevant, that’s a good outcome

  12. May 22, 2022 5:22 pm

    And the Lord said unto Scott on the 21st day….. Piss off mother fucker…

  13. May 22, 2022 5:54 pm

    So The Teals are irrelevant. Not sure that Josh would agree.

    Imagine being beaten by an irrelevancy? And in a ‘democracy’ to boot.

  14. May 22, 2022 5:57 pm

    Talking to imaginary shit about your own imaginary shit, if nothing else, is highly amusing for those slithering around in the schadenfreude…like me.

    Eat a bag of dicks, plastic Scott. I suppose jebus had other plans for you, after your pants got pulled down yesterday?

    Next up, Abbott 2.0, Mr Potatohead…because the imaginary shit often works in mysterious ways!

  15. May 22, 2022 5:58 pm

    “And the Lord said unto Scott on the 21st day….. Piss off mother fucker…”

    And Lo…Scott heard…and shed a tear in His House Of Imaginary Shit.

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2022 6:16 pm

    And the Lord said unto Scott on the 21st day….. Piss off mother fucker…
    LOL!

    ============================

    Next up, Abbott 2.0, Mr Potatohead

    Much more dangerous than, Abbott, methinks, toylet!

    Did you happen to watch the “body language” of Dangerous Dutton’s family last night?

    They did not look at all comfortable (or happy) and threw a few odd looks at The Master of the House …

    BTW has Potatohead got a licence for all those weapons he’s playing with?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Teals are irrelevant, that’s a good outcome

    Yep, they sure showed that last night!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

    The good news is — a majority Labor government … ! Go Albo!

    Apparently his neighbours are sorry to see them go … nice touch …

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2022 6:26 pm

    Yes, the Teals are irrelevant, the new government can choose its own climate policy, it’s preferred ICAC model. No need to engage in daily negotiations with the the Teals
    Just get on with the business of government

  18. May 22, 2022 6:47 pm

    I agree, YomM…not so much that they’re ‘irrelevant’ to the Liberals…but Labor should be able to proceed unhindered, without watering down and compromising on every little fucking culture war bugbear.

    Just get on and govern.

    I fucking hate the Trumpian obstructionist shit, from either polemic.

    Their relevance is in sending a loud fucking clarion to the Liberal (liberal…hahaha, no) Party.

  19. May 22, 2022 6:53 pm

    Out of interest, and because I’m not here all of the time.
    Genuine curiousity, you may well be repeatedly on the record for this, YomM…

    Do you support a Federal ICAC?…and sensible climate policy?

    I do.

    I think SloBlo recoiling irrationally from a Federal ICAC is one of his biggest tells. It should have repelled thinking people with any sense of fair play everywhere, irrespective of political affiliation.

    Turn over the fucking rocks and sanitise it all with sunlight…then, we might move closer to ‘informed’ democracy.

    Just sayin…

  20. May 22, 2022 6:57 pm

    So what is this ‘business of government’ of which you speak? Legislative agenda? Administrative reform? A bit of each?

    The Tealers have thrown all sides of politics into confusion and panic. Members of the Liberal Party might have to ‘hit the books’ and discover what Locke et al meant by ‘liberalism’ and in so doing might decide that the ‘liberal ideology’ is really not what they are on about.

    Dutton and ‘liberalism’ are at opposite ends of the ideological spectrum.

    But never mind, George Brandis is packing his bags for the return journey as is Arthur Sinodinos. Will Bracks be resurrected? Rudd? (Never mind the denials.) The phones will be running hot.

  21. May 22, 2022 7:00 pm

    One thing I’ll be looking out for…

    Any proposed ICAC MUST HAVE TEETH!

    If it doesn’t, fuck these people.

    I anticipate its watering down, because, politicians will be politicians.

    Still better than SloFlog’s indignant refusal to adapt one at all, while incoherently blaming everyone else.

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2022 7:11 pm

    I thought you knew something about the stuff governments do, MN.
    Remember how they need a majority to remain in government? And that trying to round up a handful of media hungry, brand new politicians is a difficult and distracting for leadership?
    It’s a complication the new government won’t face.
    They can pay lip service to the Teals, or they can ignore them.
    I’d recommend ignoring them

  23. Tony permalink
    May 22, 2022 7:44 pm

    Far preferable if Labor can govern in its/their own right. Better than the fucked-up, half-arsed legislation we’ll get if they pander to whichever cross-bench crank du jour is convenient.

    So, if youse are right, and Labor can form majority government, then good.

  24. May 22, 2022 7:59 pm

    Of course it will all fall apart, at some point, but at least the relentless undermining can be tolerated without reflexive self destruction.

    For this cycle anyways, hopefully.

    Couple of bad opinion polls, Tony Abbott declaring himself the Third Sending…

    All sorts of things can happen.

  25. May 22, 2022 8:08 pm

    “He might have to get a real job. Contestant on Big Brother, maybe.”

    GUFFAW!

    There’s a few potential contenders!

    I want to see Tex in there.

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2022 8:35 pm

    The Teals should form a political party and get off the teat of Holmes à Court.
    Otherwise they just remain a rabble of media seeking opportunists

  27. Tony permalink
    May 22, 2022 9:01 pm

    Teals are the real deal, you feel?

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2022 9:05 pm

    The teal big wheel has no appeal

  29. May 22, 2022 9:37 pm

    Re:

    The teal big wheel has no appeal

    Given the discussion is about politics (defined in terms of the exercise of power) are you suggesting that this particular person has (a) too much power (b) too little power (c) illegitimate power (d) or some combination of the above etc?

    Or perhaps just the ‘whine’ of a poor loser?

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2022 9:49 pm

    Did you know-
    * Monique Ryan had a policy regarding respect for women?
    * Her major financier was filmed bullying a woman at the polling station ?
    …but that was probably fine, because the woman was a political opponent

  31. May 22, 2022 9:56 pm

    Not sure that democracy (where citizens make the decisions they want to make) is the best form of government or not. Nevertheless, it seems to me that we have a very long way to go before we have anything approaching an ideal type.

    Throughout history, advocates for a democracy have adopted many and varied ‘mechanisms’ that (effectively) distance the citizens from a real, participatory democracy. Underlying, is a fear that the citizenry as a whole is not up to the task, so a facade is constructed that most believe in, while the real power remains concentrated elsewhere.

  32. May 22, 2022 10:04 pm

    Re:

    Her major financier

    Are you referring to Hume?

    Note well. Really powerful people don’t bother ‘bullying’ individuals but concentrate on constructing ‘ideological common sense’ and then leave the selecting of candidates to those so imbued.

    There’s a mountain of literature on the subject. Do try to keep up.

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2022 10:18 pm

    Yeah, when Simon Holmes à Court gets in the face of a woman who repeatedly asked him to leave, that just shows he only very rich and it can therefore be excused.

  34. May 22, 2022 10:29 pm

    Does Josh normally walk around armed with a camera? Does Jane always appear to be so well scripted?

    Reminded me of an episode of Candid Camera .

    Perhaps Josh can take it to the Court of Disputed Returns?

    Get a life! You lost big time. Sulk in private. It’s more dignified.

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2022 11:18 pm

    I shall now pray to the Norse Gods … sleep well … and look for omens upon the morn …

    https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f4d490a93fc861e4332c8c8fba78ef1c-lq

  36. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2022 5:00 am

    I will wipe the slate and give Albo some room to prove himself as PM. It is a t least theoretically possible that he could be a good PM. He doesn’t have much recent competition.

    “a generation of senior Liberal figures including Josh Frydenberg, Trent Zimmerman, Dave Sharma and Tim Wilson ousted from their seats and their political careers in tatters.”

    This is excellent for the Liberal party (although I do have a hard spot for Wilson). As we have just seen, the Libs will never be elected by being Labor-lite and with those bedwetting turds being flushed down the crapper, joining Turdball and Pyne in the sewer of political irrelevance the Libs have some chance of turning into an actual conservative party. Nikki Savva should join them, serving up shit sandwiches much as she has spent the last decade doing.

    And how fucking great is it that the Queen of Scotland Island got the arse from the plebs in Fowler. She ahs the sincerity and social skills of Kamala Harris. Also, it’s a shame the multi-millionaire parachuted into Parramatta from his $16m Bellevue Hill mansion didn’t suffer the same fate.

    Simon’s girls are Labor’s greatest ever dirty trick. Isn’t it grand that a billionaire can buy an election! If they hold the balance of power get ready for rule by the robber baron’s playthings. Simon’s girls – all of them independent, yet all Teals who only ran in Coalition seats, apparently still have to make up their minds which major party they support. The nation is on the edge of their seats wondering about this decision that will no doubt go right down to the wire.

  37. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2022 10:21 am

    The Tealers have thrown all sides of politics into confusion and panic.

    Yes, one side more than the other, but, Labor would be smart imo to work with these Teals (and Greens) even if they do have a majority. People may have voted the Teals just to get rid of slomo, but voted they did, and Labor need to keep them onside also.

    when Simon Holmes à Court gets in the face of a woman who repeatedly asked him to leave

    Ah, the innocent who abused him when he politely approached her? That one?

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2022 10:39 am

    That’s the way Tom R.
    Blame the woman
    Holmes à Court approached her. She asked him to leave, but apparently that’s not enough for the cheer club

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2022 10:45 am

    I just watched that last clip … yep, no sound, body language says it all …

    BTW, looks like a public place too.

    What happened to “free speech”?

    Oh, the hypocrisy …

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2022 10:58 am

    By the way…vk.com is Russia’s version of Facebook.
    Sign up and post
    Перестаньте принимать путинскую фашистскую пропаганду. Уехать из Украины

  41. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2022 11:17 am

    Blame the woman
    Holmes à Court approached her.

    And said hi, to which she replied, ‘you’re an asshole’

    yomms kind of woman I guess

    Hey, looks like Labor are in line to Govern with a Majority, that’s gotta make you happy 🙂

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2022 11:25 am

    Yes, so being an assertive woman gives a big rich guy the right to get in her face

  43. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2022 11:34 am

    So, she can be ‘assertive’ (I think you meant abusive), but then he can’t?

    Is that the rules now?

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2022 11:37 am

    He approached her and made a demand.
    At a polling station where everyone was being orderly and polite.
    But keep blaming the woman
    You let your politics get in the way of your sense of fairness

  45. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2022 12:15 pm

    He approached her and made a demand.M/i>

    Actually, he walked up an introduced himself. She then got ‘assertive’ (by calling him an asshole)

    But, it’s irrelevant now, just like she is 🙂

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2022 12:20 pm

    You’re excusing a big rich guy who-
    * Approached a woman at an orderly polling station
    * Made demands
    * Got in her face
    …but according to you, she deserved it
    Got a mirror? Use it

  47. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2022 12:22 pm

    So, the Nats have won more seats than the Libs

    they really are a minority party

  48. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2022 12:25 pm

    * Approached a woman at an orderly polling station
    *Introduced himself
    * Got called an asshole
    * Asked her to remove the lies she had published
    * Continued to get screamed at

    Mirror mirror, on the wall.

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2022 12:46 pm

    Respect for women now apparently includes approaching them at an orderly polling station, making demands, getting in their face and ignoring their requests to leave them alone
    A new definition. As long as it excuses the big rich guy
    Congratulations

  50. May 23, 2022 1:20 pm

    Re:

    Labor would be smart imo to work with these Teals (and Greens) even if they do have a majority.

    Indeed they must. The new kids on the block will want things, and be in a hurry, but the arrival of an ICAC (or equivalent) will complicate things exponentially, particularly if it has retrospective powers.

    What must be clarified is the (proper) role of Ministers, staffers as well as other MPs when it comes to the making of representations. What is proper, where is the line that must not be crossed.

    In recent times, we witnessed sports rorts and carparks, etc etc. This lack of clarity caused a Premier to fall on her sword as others before her did.

    In one camp, we have Barnaby, Morrison, Gladys et al who believe that it’s fit and proper to overturn decisions/recommendations made by Officials on the grounds that MPs are elected and officials/public servants aren’t. (Simplistic nonsense but appealing to some.)

    Others argue that such decision making can be akin to pork barreling . There’s no rational decision-making , no transparency, conflicts of interest abound, queue jumping becomes normal etc.

    A recent inquiry in NSW looked at the issue, agreed it was a problem but failed to provide a comprehensive solution (suggesting, lamely, that transparency would help.) Can’t see how the NSW ICAC can dodge the issue also, because it’s at the core of what many MPs see as their legitimate role.

    It’s an issue that must be resolved and quickly because it affects, MPs, Ministers, ministerial staff as well as public servants. An Integrity Commission will (and should be) watching and therefore likely to cause some paralysis.

  51. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2022 1:20 pm

    ” As long as it excuses the big rich guy”

    The ALP is now the party of the Robber Barons.

  52. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2022 1:51 pm

    Someones sounding jealous 🙂

  53. May 23, 2022 3:09 pm

    Big movements of all sorts in Canberra. Houses, Units, Apartments for sale as the ‘defeated’ MPs bail out – with ready buyers in the shape of the newly elected.

    Feel sorry for the many staffers, press secs, advisers, camp followers etc who must now move on to new horizons, knowing full well the ‘conservative’ tide is (temporarily) at a low ebb. Very little on offer in NT, WA, SA, Vic, QLD and the ACT.

    Then there’s those who were obvious political appointees to the public service. Will there be a night of the long knives or will it be an evolution over time? Probably a bit of both but the future of the Consultants (they’re the ones who listen carefully before giving back the exact info you just gave – this time clothed as very expensive advice.) looks definitely bleak.

    Joyce will have to offer new invites to the Chairman’s Lounge. And so it goes.

  54. May 23, 2022 3:23 pm

    The “if only(s)” have started.

    Former deputy prime minister Michael McCormack has said the Coalition would have performed better in the federal election if he was the leader of the National party.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-23/michael-mccormack-coalition-result-better-under-his-leadership/101091684

    Seems Barnaby will be forever a drag on a Liberal resurrection.

    Perhaps if he had a new partner? More offspring? Or both?

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2022 6:37 pm

    Seems Barnaby will be forever a drag on a Liberal resurrection.

    Insurrection? Whoo Hoo

  56. May 23, 2022 6:55 pm

    Time we get behind Peter Dutton and support his quest to be the Leader of the Liberal Party.

    They deserve each other so it’s only fitting.

    Thoughts and prayers please!

  57. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2022 9:58 am

    Bloody Lefties!

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2022 10:27 am

    Thoughts and prayers please!

    About time he did some real National Service … give him a rifle and send him to the front

  59. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2022 12:43 pm

    The ‘small target’ strategy has finally been seen through

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2022 1:52 pm

    Labor 75

    LNP 58

    https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseDefault-27966.htm

  61. May 24, 2022 3:16 pm

    Not sure that Labor having a (narrow) majority (at best) in its own right is the best option. With The Tealers and The Greens totally opposed to new fossil fuel mines a defeat on the floor on the House would be a very poor look. Remember, Labor did make supporting noises re new mining projects. There will be ‘broken promises (real and Imagined).

    Better to do some horse trading in the back rooms before any public humiliation.

    Imagine that the ‘hard heads’ within the ministerial ranks are working long hours identifying who said what and identifying staffers within each ministerial office to keep a close eye on potential ‘thorns’ within the cross-bench.

    This is going to be a wild ride.

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 24, 2022 4:51 pm

    The ALP won a majority, the horse trading can get done in the senate. They’ll be f***ed if they start acting like a minority government
    The Teal Party just make up policy as they go and love the media limelight. A new government would be mad to give them attention and relevance they don’t deserve

  63. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2022 5:03 pm

    The ALP won

    Could we please refer to them now only as the “Australian 30% Party”, it seems this is how the msm would like us to. “Moving Forward”

  64. May 24, 2022 5:07 pm

    Labor will have to be ‘creative’ if its to keep the cross-bench happy and that might be as difficult as herding the proverbial cats.

    As an aside. The recently appointed PM of Sri Lanka heads a Party of two (yes 2). And in a parliament of 225 (or thereabouts) it’s a long way from a working number. So he’ll have to be creative as well. Lol.

    Further, Sri Lanka is broke, largely because it took loans (repayable) in a foreign currency and not in its own fiat rupee – LKR. (Currently one gets 254 LKR for each Australian Dollar and when I was last there one got only 120LKR.) Needless to say, parliamentary salaries are meagre/terrible as well but ‘expenses’ for members of the Executive Branch are much more generous. Thus a PM will appoint a very large Cabinet with any number of ‘assistants’ (all entitled to expenses) to get and keep a majority. (Everyone gets a prize as it were.)

    Such options are not available for Albo. The Tealers and The Greens are not to be seduced by ‘trinkets’. But they will have to be ‘bought’ or ‘distracted’ – to keep them busy and to make them feel ‘wanted’ and ‘important’. Thus there will be many and varied (very important) ‘Inquiries’ needed, headed by appropriate Chairs and Deputy Chairs that will require all types of travel locally and overseas. The ‘many’ will have to get some type of prize.

    And a ICAC will be watching so it will have to be very. very clean and proper. Lol

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2022 6:01 pm

    The Teal Party …

    THat’s because its NOT a Party … they are independent!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Could we please refer to them now only as the “Australian 30% Party”

    No, TR, when have we ever followed the fkn msm? 😲

    It is now the Labor Government! 😀

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Such options are not available for Albo. The Tealers and The Greens are not to be seduced by ‘trinkets’ …

    But many of the ALP policies align with the reason Teals and Greens won seats …

  66. May 24, 2022 6:28 pm

    TB – The Tealers (and The Greens) will have to ‘differentiate’. Sure Labor has a climate target but for the Tealers et al, it won’t be enough. They will ‘up the ante’. Labor would know that. So everyone needs to be seen to be a winner.

    A higher target will (have to) be adopted. The question will be – how much higher?

    All will have to compromise. Getting an agreement on the figure will be problematic. Probably there will be perceived ‘losers’.

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2022 6:52 pm

    Of course, MN, but the tiles are lined up more now than before Saturday … adult life is constantly about negotiation and compromise … I just think Labor will be better at it than LNP …

    Potatohead is the fly in the ointment … why are arseholes so cunning? Because that’s what makes ’em arseholes … just arshole ask splatterbum!

  68. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 24, 2022 7:08 pm

    Go Albo!

    Apparently his neighbours are sorry to see them go … nice touch …

    They must have Stockholm Syndrome.

    Apparently the current PM reduced his rent for his tenants on his $5M property portfolio by 25% during the pandemic and kept it there. He must be a nice guy.

  69. May 24, 2022 9:57 pm

    Re Ralph Babet – perhaps the new UAP Senator from VIC:

    Babet also tweeted glowingly about Elon Musk and was stoked about his proposed takeover of Twitter.

    Doesn’t he post here? Or just another freedom boy. So many these days.

  70. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2022 11:54 am

    I just think Labor will be better at it than LNP …

    That’s not a big ask though, is it. It will be interesting? Will they try and work with both sides, or will they favour either Greens or Teals? Or, will that not be necessary, will all three just agree? (nah, as MN said, they NEED to differentiate, and the Greens have shown the lengths they will go to do that)

    why are arseholes so cunning?

    Cunning? If a non lib had done what this guy has, he’d be toast. But the meeja keep telling us, “He’s NOT an asshole Monster”! But History disagrees.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1529250767575859201.html

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2022 12:18 pm

    Has Putin contacted Albo and congratulated him on the win?

    Probably too busy …

  72. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 25, 2022 12:48 pm

    There is no shame in it, TB.

  73. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2022 1:38 pm

    Speaking of no shame

  74. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 25, 2022 2:25 pm

    “REMINDER: The elites don’t fly private jets to “climate change” conferences because they’re hypocrites.

    They fly them because they believe they are of a higher class than you and should have things you don’t deserve.”

  75. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2022 2:57 pm

    Do ‘elites’ have chefs?

  76. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 25, 2022 3:10 pm

    Eachway is still making up his mind. Trying not to offend the genocidal maniacs too much, I guess.

    Has Richard Marles had his comments vetted by the Chinese ambassador yet?

    Penny is still waiting for permission to speak. Mean girls aren’t so mean when comes to kowtowing to communists.

    Hacked Xinjiang files reveal China’s Uyghur genocide details: ‘Just kill them’

  77. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2022 3:23 pm

    Good to see you are taking this so well splats 🙂

  78. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2022 3:23 pm

    It appears that Xi has spoken

  79. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 25, 2022 3:37 pm

    The chef just works for a new dear leader. He’ll have to cook twice as many meals so Eachway can make up his mind.

    I stay away from elites. Wearing teal and kissing billionaire butts is not my thing.

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2022 4:05 pm

    An interesting turn of events in Fowler:

    Dai Le, the independent leading the count in the New South Wales seat of Fowler, has insisted she is eligible to sit in parliament, after a news report and social media users questioned her citizenship.

    Le disclosed to the Australian Electoral Commission that her mother was born in Vietnam, but indicated she didn’t know the citizenship of her father.

    She declared she had never been a citizen of a foreign country, despite coming to Australia as a refugee from Vietnam at age 11.

  81. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 25, 2022 4:08 pm

    Don’t tell me Kneely is going to fail up again!

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2022 4:09 pm

    Good to see you are taking this so well splats 🙂

    Agree, TR, a certain “calmness” about splats comments … although I have no idea what was meant by “no shame in it” … in what? Pray tell?

    And I don’t believe this for one second …

    I stay away from elites. Wearing teal and kissing billionaire butts is not my thing.

    😀😁😃 😎

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2022 4:11 pm

    Well, politicians (or wannabe’s) should know the system …

    Wonder who did the digging?

  84. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 25, 2022 4:15 pm

    “in what? Pray tell?”

    Being an arsehole!

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2022 5:54 pm

    Being an arsehole! Chuckle …

    Well, you’d know! 😎

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2022 6:07 pm

    Penny Wong set to travel to Fiji on Thursday, coinciding with Chinese minister’s Pacific tour

    And that’s how we expect our pollies to work smarter … not angrier …

  87. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 25, 2022 6:17 pm

    It’s confirmed.

    They’re going home to Biloela.

    So people who jump the queue are rewarded under Labor? While the really needy people are stuck in camps around the world. Typical.

    But i must admit you have to admire the bravery of boat people. Personally if i was safe in Indonesia i would not make the terrifying and dangerous journey to Australia

  88. May 25, 2022 7:46 pm

    So who does Labor select as their nomination to be Speaker? This might be Labor’s first loss on the Floor. And symbolically important.

    Can’t nominate a Teal (no experience) and the only Green with experience is Bandt who would refuse. Another cross-bencher would be ideal (might preserve their numbers) but whom? In the new Parliament, cross-benchers might be as many as 16. A big number and thus plenty of room for mischief.

    Any thoughts?

  89. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2022 9:34 pm

    Can’t nominate a Teal (no experience)

    You don’t need ‘experience’, you just need brains. After the ineptitude of the past 9 years, fucken Toto could do a better job

  90. May 26, 2022 9:17 am

    Albo could’ve had a better meeting in Tokyo if he’d been more diplomatic:

    Instead of waiting to respond diplomatically and privately to Li, he picked up the megaphone and spoke defiantly of Australian values in the way Morrison used to, uncalled for by the tone and content of Li’s conciliatory message and running up the trademark flag of the Morrison/Dutton duo, which they flew in chest-thumping self-aggrandisement and justification of their ‘being out in front’ of the world with their anti-China stand.

    Not a good first message from the new government. If you believe in the uses of diplomacy, that is.

    https://johnmenadue.com/getting-the-australia-china-relationship-back-on-track/

    Further:

    The change in government presents the opportunity for a circuit breaker in the poor diplomatic relations that have developed between Australia and China in the recent past. … less public aggression is likely to be more effective in dealing with China: international engagement should replace the language of war.

    But then Albo’s just China’s puppet. (Shakes head.)

    https://johnmenadue.com/david-goodman-and-others-an-open-letter-to-the-new-government-on-relations-with-china/

    And this bullshit that China started it ought to be jettisoned.

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2022 10:26 am

    As I’ve said, there was total bipartisan complacency about the insidious manipulation of Australian institutions by the CCP for a decade.
    Until Clive Hamilton shamed both parties into acting.
    The talk about “diplomacy” is crap, it shows ignorance about the subject.
    Diplomacy represents action and words that stop short of deployment of the military.
    The CCP –
    * sees Australia as a quarry
    * wants trading servants, no partners
    * has no respect for polite conversation
    * only reacts to pressure and pain

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2022 11:08 am

    The talk about “diplomacy” is crap, it shows ignorance about the subject.

    That sentence pretty much sums up your misunderstanding of diplomacy …

    Diplomacy represents action and words that stop short of deployment of the military.

    And just where is that “stop short” line?

    The use of “military” is not diplomacy and the prospect of dying happily for a cause only interests people who don’t have to take the risk.

    Escalation is never the answer …

    Tip: thee ADF does not use the term “lock and load” … you do know how to use a rifle?

    At this stage I suggest a little research may not go astray … 😎

  93. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2022 11:52 am

    Do some reading…

    diplomacy, the established method of influencing the decisions and behaviour of foreign governments and peoples through dialogue, negotiation, and other measures short of war or violence.

    Even in times of peace, diplomacy may involve coercive threats of economic or other punitive measures or demonstrations of the capability to impose unilateral solutions to disputes by the application of military power.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/diplomacy

  94. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2022 12:11 pm

    * sees Australia as a quarry
    * wants trading servants, no partners
    * has no respect for polite conversation
    * only reacts to pressure and pain

    Didn’t we just vote them out?

  95. May 26, 2022 1:58 pm

    So China only reacts to pressure and pain ?

    A glance at the recent historical record will show that China also reacts to insults and, unlike Australia, has the power to do just that.

    But dream on. Now that Opposition is upon … It Matters Not

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2022 2:02 pm

    Do some reading…

    Thank you for the advice, ToM … in fact I still have a round tuit, on the wall of my study, (seriously) from Britannica … then along came Google …

    BTW you did compare the Australian DEFENCE Force with the Chinese People’s Liberation Army … their PLARF (People’s Liberation Army Rocket Force) alone is almost twice the size of our total of all branches of the ADF …

    You do not poke the bear with a little stick … when you can see her claws …

    Like it or not China is the local bully, trouble is we are the skinny little bloke he provokes … and our “dad” (USA) is pre-occupied at the moment and may be out of town for a while …

    You don’t really think Australia could, should or would try this … surely?

    demonstrations of the capability to impose unilateral solutions to disputes by the application of military power.

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2022 2:45 pm

    TB routinely refers to the size of CCP military in advocating nore forelock tugging to the CCP.
    MN has referred to their nuclear weapons as the reason that we need to brown nosers.
    The corollary of their arguments is to support more military spending and acquisition of nuclear weapons to avoid having to suck up to a brutal dictatorship
    No, I think Australia can speak out about issues of concern on their merits, without the need to constantly feel cowered by a bully

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2022 3:41 pm

    Before I reply again, ToM … read a bit about the modern China and how it relates to their history … I suggest “On China” by Henry Kissinger … its available as an ebook.

    I have never advocated any forelock tugging (I was born in Yorkshire we tug our forelocks to no-one and have lived most of my life as a proud QUEENSLANDER!) but I do not relish sending my grandchildren off to war … nor should you …

    The ADF can hold its own that doesn’t worry me. But the cost of blood and treasure sickens me.

    I DO NOT support (nor ever have) more military spending, nor do I support nuclear weapons (or nuclear power plants for that matter) nuclear fission is an awful answer to either war or peace needs …

    And, you’re back to putting your own thoughts to my comments … good diplomats have good comprehension skills, a well honed empathy … and demonstrate the skills of active listening and transactional analysis … pretty much the same as good managers … all coupled with a sound knowledge of group dynamics …

    BTW, I’ve always stood up to bullies … different bullies – different methods …

    I suggest also that you read about the Korean War and the Vietnam War …

    Finally, I recommend you get hold of the film “Danger Close” … and when you next travel – consider a trip to Long Tan. They will tell you all about The American War!

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2022 4:05 pm

    The most common theme in you expressing your opinion about China is “look at the size of their military!”
    That’s just an excuse for forelock tugging, and as I said, you talk about “diplomacy” without even comprehending the entire spectrum of actions that it can involve
    Australia can unequivocally express views about it’s legitimate interests without having to defer to the CCP any more than it should defer to any other government
    Particularly one that has a long term strategy of manipulating Australian institutions

  100. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2022 4:20 pm

    Until Clive Hamilton shamed both parties into acting.

    So, that was released back before Rudd went to China and berated them, in Mandarin, about their human rights record?

    Or before Labor didn’t even let Huawei tender for the NBN?

    Or when Labor were called racist for fighting to keep Australian jobs while the libs were trying to negotiate them away in the CHAFTA?

    Which one did these proceed again?

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2022 4:45 pm

    The most common theme in you expressing your opinion about China is “look at the size of their military!”

    You do know that size matters?

    That’s just an excuse for forelock tugging

    Don’t need excuses … but I have a suspicion which one of us will be shot at, if those number turn up here. Unless they just decide to drop a few nukes instead. One call up is enough for me.

    No-one is deferring to China … except people like Andrew Robb and who supported the sale of Darwin Port and promised NT $20 million to flog it, the Federal government and who was that?

    What are you arguing about here anyway? Are you frustrated because NATO hasn’t moved against Russia yet?

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2022 5:18 pm

    You’re settling a different standard on discourse with the CCP because of their military muscle.
    That’s forelock tugging/brown nosing/sucking up

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2022 6:07 pm

    You’re settling a different standard … Wot?

    standard on discourse with the CCP

    So what would you say to China … ?

  104. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2022 6:24 pm

    Voldemort AAAGGHHH!

    Meanwhile

    Mad f*cking witch
    Dirty lefties
    Crazy lefties
    Water lapping at your door
    Women trying it on
    Ali uses disability as an excuse
    African gangs

    (At least he’s not a Monster) 😉

  105. May 26, 2022 6:45 pm

    Re – “settling a different standard on discourse with … because of their military muscle.” Indeed!

    Isn’t that what having a “deterrence” is all about? You know – “don’t (physically) mess with X because they’re too strong and therefore we’ll lose.”

    (Me) – I get out of the way when vehicles threaten and I do that all the time. Perhaps that’s why I’ve lived to a ripe old age.

    Something about discretion being the better part of valor (Shakespeare).

  106. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2022 7:12 pm

    I find it embarrassing the way MN and TB advocate the cowering stance in foreign policy.
    …”they might throw a punch, it’s best be just do what we’re told”
    How assertive and responsible

  107. May 26, 2022 7:21 pm

    Re – “because NATO hasn’t moved against Russia yet?”

    Suspect that in the not too distant future, some (western) historians will argue that NATO did in fact ‘move’ against Russia. It’s a view aired across Asia. (See GRAVITAS on U Tube.)

    The narrative goes something like this: First, caused a change of government in Ukraine. Second, then led/convinced/persuaded the incoming Leader to believe that Russia wouldn’t invade (at this stage the correspondence/briefings haven’t been released).

    Third, gave a wink and a nod, that NATO/US would come to their aid, if attacked. And they did but not with personnel. Just intelligence, strategy, weapons and the like. And the supply of such aid continues to accelerate – much to the delight of the manufacturers/donors etc. (In short, they faced the Russians with Ukrainians on a stick knowing that the US voter wouldn’t accept more US deaths/wars after Afghanistan ).

    The better histories take some time to mature.

  108. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    May 26, 2022 8:09 pm

    ”they might throw a punch, it’s best be just do what we’re told”

    Yeah! Much better to broadcast some empty rhetoric chest-beating bravado like “setting up a military base in the Solomons would cross a red line” when you and your mob can’t even articulate what that red line would or the consequences of crossing it. 🙄

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2022 8:41 pm

    ” bite your tongue, you might upset a bully if you speak”

  110. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2022 9:31 pm

    you might upset a bully if you speak

    Who was the bully again?

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2022 10:08 pm

    ” bite your tongue, you might upset a bully if you speak”

    Is that a threat?

  112. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2022 1:27 pm

    you might upset a bully if you speak

    Did our (previous) Government bully a sovereign nation to try and help interfere with an Australian election?

    Aren’t there laws about that?

  113. May 27, 2022 2:28 pm

    In the UK, Boris’ latest tactic is to unashamedly say – I accept full responsibility .

    And then nothing happens. That’s the end of the matter. No penalty. No consequences. There the matter rests. The caravan moves on to the next scandal .

    But don’t try that in court. Only works with politicians in the media.

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2022 3:00 pm

    That sounds like political behaviour. Remember…
    Boris’ latest Dan’s tactic is to unashamedly say – I accept full responsibility .

    And then nothing happens. That’s the end of the matter. No penalty. No consequences.

  115. May 27, 2022 4:33 pm

    ToM – perhaps the democracy we have is somewhat less than perfect because the elections we have are mere snapshots? Moment in time characterized by several look over there distractions.

    We won’t know whether democracy is the best form of government or not until we’ve tried it. Around the world, the democratic facade we have is in decline.

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2022 4:51 pm

    Big Party in Biloela tonight … !

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2022 4:58 pm

    … perhaps the democracy we have is somewhat less than perfect …

    But, but they call themselves the “political class” … perhaps that’s why democracy is less than perfect … and a democracy that has a monarch as Head of State 🙄

    Whatever happened to the concept of Australia being egalitarian? From Menzies’ fawning limericks to Abbot bestowing a knighthood on a prince FFS.

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2022 5:14 pm

    Around the world, the democratic facade we have is in decline.

    Maybe that’s what you would think if you ignore the facts.
    * There are more opportunities for people to express their views and press the government, than at any other time in modern history
    * There are more political parties that allow people to differentiate between policies than at any time
    * The traditional press is in decline and clearly is impotent in rounding up people to support their candidates
    * Anyone with a mobile phone can access any media outlet in the world
    * Western democracies are realising that they are threatened by authoritarian regimes, and are resisting

  119. May 27, 2022 5:31 pm

    Yes Brother Stuie did say this:

    you shouldn’t judge people on their personal views

    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/stuart-robert:-you-cant-judge-peter-dutton-on-his-views/13902152

    One wonders what one should judge them on. Perhaps views he doesn’t have?

    Remember, that Brother Stuie espouses glossolalia .

  120. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 27, 2022 5:36 pm

    What is the picture at the top of this blog post anyway – Three Little Pigs?

  121. May 27, 2022 5:38 pm

    ToM – here’s my ‘evidence’:

    report found that the share of countries designated Not Free has reached its highest level since the deterioration of democracy began in 2006, and that countries with declines in political rights and civil liberties outnumbered those with gains by the largest margin recorded during the 15-year period. The report downgraded the freedom scores of 73 countries, representing 75 percent of the global population.

    https://freedomhouse.org/article/new-report-global-decline-democracy-has-accelerated

    And:

    Democracy is, however, farther away from a worldwide triumph than it has been for a long time. For the first time since 2004, the Bertelsmann Transformation Index (BTI) has recorded more autocratic than democratic states. Of the 137 developing and transition countries examined, only 67 are still considered democracies. The number of autocracies has increased to 70.

    https://www.dw.com/en/democracy-in-decline-worldwide/a-60878855

    Because you want it to be true – doesn’t make it so. (More links if you want them.)

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2022 5:45 pm

    Then it’s your use of “facade” that is incorrect.
    Countries that have maintained their strong democratic institutions (here, for example, despite the long term strategy of the CCP) …are as committed to the democratic system of government as ever.

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2022 6:09 pm

    (More links if you want them.)

    MN, you must know by now that linquez frighten the bejebus out of ToM! I think he may threaten you next … cause he won’t say – ever- “you are right” …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … are as committed to the democratic system of government as ever. Please explain?

    (I grant you that hordes of right wing fanatics didn’t try to overwhelm Parliament House chanting Morrison)

    But the royals in London were (eventually) implicated in The Dismissal …

  124. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 27, 2022 6:58 pm

    Big Party in Biloela tonight … !

    So the queue jumpers have won.

    Would your opinion be the same if 20 million people came here by boat?

    Most of these people are here because we have a better lifestyle

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    May 28, 2022 12:39 pm

    I know who the “evil monsters” are and who their “leader” is.

    The USofA – Land of the free unless you are still going to school … !

    It really is a sick country …

    https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/nra-convention-2022-firearms-advocates-gather-in-wake-of-uvalde-massacre-as-protesters-call-for-change-to-gun-laws/news-story/1e0d09a4faa348f0423b5cbe296ab40a

  126. May 28, 2022 2:09 pm

    Ah TB – the USA is the (modern) home of a particular and peculiar type of democracy . Where citizens get to elect their representatives, only to see such reps bought by those who have the dollars and the inclination.

    There (as here), the Citizens (often information and attitude poor) mark a ballot paper or two and then proceed to buy a sausage and retorn to slumber for a few more years, thinking that they have a healthy democracy .

    We have the technology to facilitate a more participatory democracy but no side of the aisle is in the least bit interested in taking up that cause. And maybe for very good reason, because a real democracy might not work. So we will continue with the farce.

  127. May 28, 2022 2:28 pm

    That latest US gunman did NOT act alone:

    Whatever we learn about the Uvalde shooter, or any future ones—because there will be more—don’t say they “acted alone,” which is largely media code for “this doesn’t appear to be Islamic terrorism.” No matter the particulars, these “lone” gunmen all have scores of accomplices.

    Here’s a few of his accomplices (edited):

    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott: A relentless cheerleader for gun extremism, last year he gleefully signed seven bills rolling back gun regulations … Rupert Murdoch, for translating the El Paso, Buffalo, and Pittsburgh shooters’ manifestos into prime-time programming. …

    Senator Ted Cruz, a leading recipient of gun lobby money, who now suggests the solution is forcing students and staff to enter and leave through one door. … Every politician who declares they are “pro-life,” yet is wantonly indifferent to the carnage of their gun policies and positions. They’ll force you to have a child, and then lead that child to slaughter.

    Perhaps we could apply that logic to other “issues”?

  128. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 28, 2022 2:33 pm

    It really is a sick country …

    I sort of agree but it is still better than most. I would live there.

    But it was news to me that we had the right to bear arms here until Howard/Coalition took away that right. You should see the abuse Howard gets from Coalition supporters for taking away their guns.

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2022 12:19 pm

    I would live there. Have you ever been there?

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2022 12:27 pm

    Ah TB – the USA is the (modern) home of a particular and peculiar type of democracy . Where citizens get to elect their representatives, only to see such reps bought by those who have the dollars and the inclination.

    Chuckle … and we do not want to become the 51st State of the Union! I’ve worked in the lower 48, MN … but could never live there …

    Democracy is being broken down slowly by Robber Barons (and wannabe despots) … and subsequent inequality … at the same time as Mother Nature really turns on us … the Perfect Storm?

  131. May 29, 2022 1:58 pm

    Winning ‘hearts and minds’ in the Pacific – and why The West is losing.

    And:

  132. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 29, 2022 3:18 pm

    Have you ever been there?

    Yep i worked in the USA. I have to say i never saw any guns in private hands. It is an OK place to live. They do knot know much about the outside world.

    But it was the Coalition in this country who brought in gun control. I had no idea we had a gun culture in this country not much difference to the USA before 1996.

    Apparently Australia was defended by the militia from 1901-1947. Hence the need for the right to bear arms. We did not get a standing army until 1947 when National Service started.

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    May 29, 2022 6:36 pm

    Once AGAIN, Kneel, where do you get your information from!

    We did not get a standing army until 1947 when National Service started.

    A “Standing Army” is composed of regular army volunteers conscripts (National Service) are “called up” (press ganged) into the regular army by government when it is in trouble … ie Vietnam

    My own corps RAEME was formed in 1942!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Australian_Army

    As for National Service:

    https://www.nashoaustralia.org.au/History.htm

    Apparently Australia was defended by the militia from 1901-1947.

    Where on earth did you get this :information: from? And this … Hence the need for the right to bear arms

  134. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 29, 2022 8:13 pm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Australian_Army#1901%E2%80%931914

    The Defence Act of 1903 brought all of the units under one piece of legislation; more significantly, it prevented the raising of standing infantry units and specified that militia forces could not be used in industrial disputes, and could not serve outside Australia.[10] The vast majority of soldiers remained in militia units, now known as the Citizen Military Forces (CMF). In 1911, two significant changes followed a report by Lord Kitchener: the Royal Military College, Duntroon was established and; a system of universal national service began: boys aged 12 to 18 became cadets, and men aged 18–26 had to serve in the CMF.[9]

    The vast majority of our soldiers from 1901-1947 were in the Citizen Military Force (CMF) ie the Militia

    We may have had a standing army from 1901-1947 but its size was negligible. The vast bulk of our troops were in the CMF.

    I guess we had a army in WW1 but it was then disbanded and the troops left the Army and joined the Militia

  135. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 30, 2022 7:25 am

    “Big Party in Biloela tonight … !”

    Mongrel Marles-Xi has sent out an invitation to the smugglers to get back in business. Thousands more illegals will drown. And as with the last mass-drowning ALP/Green wankers will be celebrating their own virtue, spanking their monkeys to death and pissing on the graves of the drowned.

  136. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 30, 2022 7:31 am

    the Citizens (often information and attitude poor)”

    I know, right. There were people out there who thought the Teals were ‘independents’ when in fact they are merely puppet-muppets of a billionaire Robber Baron.

  137. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 30, 2022 2:11 pm

    My own corps RAEME was formed in 1942!

    Yes, standing armies were formed in wartime. IN peace up to 1947 we were defended by the militia. Hence the need for the right to bear arms.

    FRom your link

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Australian_Army#Occupation_of_Japan

    Meanwhile, planning for post-war defence arrangements had come to the conclusion that the Australian Army should be predicated on maintaining a relatively strong peacetime force. This was a significant departure from past Australian defence policy which had previously relied on citizen forces, the Australian Army would include a permanent field force of 19,000 regulars organised into a brigade of three infantry battalions with armoured support,serving alongside a part-time force of 50,000 men in the Citizen Military Forces.[19]
    The Australian Regular Army was subsequently formed on 30 September 1947,

    September 1947 was when we got a permanent standing army of any size.

  138. May 30, 2022 5:04 pm

    Re:

    There were people out there who thought the Teals were ‘independents’

    Not think! But know! As Macron would say.

    If one wanted to write ‘a’ serious history of the Teals, one would do well to look at the rise of independents such as Cathy McGowan and Zali Steggall. Their arrival on the political stage was well before Holmes à Court’s intervention to financially assist. Indeed, those who follow politics know that he was originally raising dollars for Frydenberg. (Or should one say he was pulling Josh’s strings ? )

    And if not then why not?

    Certainly, Holmes à Court poured fuel on the fire (and he was not alone) but he didn’t light the flame. There was no need. The Independents’ time had come. To suggest he is the ongoing master of their destiny misses the point. Yes it’s what the Murdoch media would want you to think but they too took a drubbing in the recent election. Rupert, John (Howard) and the IPA were shat upon. Again!

    But, as always, there’s ‘true-believers’.

    And now we have another born again leader In (soft and cuddly) Peter Dutton. So much new lipstick on the political pig one expects a fashion shoot in New Idea. But Dutton knows that Angus Taylor is circling and do is Sussan when she is not visiting the Gold Coast to inspect potential property investments.

    So expect Dutton to be all over Sky, at the football, and kicking heads.

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2022 6:26 pm

    Kneel, I began this comment trying to explain the terminology and history of our ADF … quite frankly it’s too difficult (I’d run out of crayons very quickly).

    As the Wikepedia link points out, Australia has had a jumble of military formations over two centuries and your two comments highlight that – in fact the RAR (Royal Australian Regiment) infantry regiment was formed after my own Corps RAEME in 1942 … RAR in 1948 …

    ‘Tis topsy turvy I know … f’rinstance a CMF existed before and during my own National Service … and were called “cut lunch cowboys” or “weekend warriors” (the clue is in Citizens) as part of NS I was expected to serve in the Regular army for two years and then another FIVE in the CMF ( ie Reserves) …

    Australia is not the USA (thank goodness) and our own militia were primarily state organised … (read all the link ) … the current CMF are aptly referred to as Reserves … and these days they serve on overseas deployment!

    EG!

    1st Commando Regiment (Australia)

    Raised in 1955 it is the oldest unit within Special Operations Command and in 2008 deployed to Afghanistan to become the first Australian Army Reserve force element on combat operations since World War II.[1]

    FYI: 2nd Commando are Regulars …

    FYI Nashos called up during the VN War also served and are recognised as Regulars (and those Nashos that actually served in VN are true Veterans! Especially the 200 who died, a couple of ’em I knew)

    So we have, throughout our military history have, cadets, conscription, militia, national service and reserves all supporting a small “standing army” ( a concept of Henry VIII, BTW)

    FYI I spent a lot of time maintaining 2/14th Light Horse armoured vehicles … 2/14th was formed in 1864 …

    And — where all this began — our Federal Constitution does not give Australians the right to bear arms …

    https://www.abc.net.au/radio/hobart/programs/breakfast/nick-brodie-gun-control/12218638

    https://www.humanrights.unsw.edu.au/research/commentary/gun-ownership-not-right

    Finally – I’m still a bloody good shot with a rifle … not bad with a range of pistols … and deadly with a hand grenade … 😎

    And I’m a big a big fan of the Ukrainian Military! Go the Blue & Yellow! 💀

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2022 6:32 pm

    … well before Holmes à Court’s intervention …

    And those “interventions” obviously don’t always work …

    Ask Clivey! And we all know where his dodgy brothers votes were headed … especially the LNP! Boing!

  141. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2022 6:56 pm

    That’s hilarious! We “know” teals are independents
    * All with the same major donor
    * The same colour, marketing, branding and advertising
    * The same talking points
    * Stand only in Lib Nat seats
    * The same list of guest speakers at their events
    * The same “make it up as you go” policy approach

  142. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2022 6:59 pm

    They’re all independent

  143. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 30, 2022 7:15 pm

    As the Wikepedia link points out, Australia has had a jumble of military formations
    over two centuries and your two comments highlight that

    My understanding is that from 1901-1947 the vast bulk of our soldiers were part-time militia (CMF). These militia people had jobs and took some time off work for military training.

    For example John Monash was a WW1 General. But he was an engineer by profession. He only became full time army when WW1 broke out. Before WW1 he had a normal engineering job.

    We had a standing army in WW1. I guess this was formed by volunteers. When WW1 ended the army was disbanded

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Australian_Army#1919%E2%80%931939

    1919–1939

    After the end of the First World War, the wartime Australian Imperial Force was demobilised and officially disbanded on 1 April 1921.[11] In the post war period, the Army was reorganised with the focus being placed on the part-time Militia,

    We did not get a regular army until 1947. And then the CMF morphed into the Army Reserve.

  144. May 30, 2022 8:54 pm

    ToM so much fog to clear. So let’s start::

    All with the same major donor

    How do you know that? Or are you blinded by your ‘biased’ assumptions? Ever thought of that? You don’t know the extent of the donations made and neither do I.

    Given that in this great democracy or ours, monetary ‘donations’ don’t have to be declared in real time. Indeed, we usually don’t find out the quantum of ‘financial’ contributions for some considerable time after they were made.

    But dollar amounts are usually but the tip of the donation iceberg. So let’s dig below the surface – just a tiny bit.

    What flies below the radar for most are donations in kind . What price (monetary and political value) does one put on an editorial? (and there were so many of them.) What about the shocking headline(s)? Such as – the candidate doesn’t even know … Who gets to ask the questions? Who sets the tasks? – and to the embarrassment of the ‘profession’.

    What’s the value of the ongoing repetition? The reinforcement? The cartoon(s)? The compromising photo? And so on.

    Now think about who the major donor of the anti-tealers was? Who owns the newspapers? Who owns Sky? Who declared Climate 200 was “a RICO [racketeer-influenced and corrupt organisations] case in the making”? The Tealers had few friends in the media.

    ToM – the ‘major donor’ to the Tealers gave little more than political small change when compared to the contribution(s) made by Rupert et al. Please. Try and rise above the usual fog.

    And that’s just your first ‘point’. Lol. Will return to the rest of the nonsense – maybe.

  145. May 30, 2022 9:56 pm

    The interesting news tonight was the appointment of Professor Glyn DAVIS to head up Albo’s (public service) administration.

    Just imagine – an experienced public servant in charge and not a toady. But it looks like one hell of a (personal) pay cut.

    Albo ought to be congratulated but there’s wheels within wheels here. Expect to see some other ‘old faces’ resurrected.

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 30, 2022 10:24 pm

    Hilarious!
    Holmes à Court is the major donor to each of the Teals.
    And they have to meet specific criteria to obtain a franchise to run a candidate as a “Teal”
    I provided a dozen examples to refute your “I know”
    You replied to one, and you can’t even justify that

  147. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2022 10:39 pm

    Labor have won a majority of seats

    Where did they go so wrong?

  148. May 31, 2022 9:28 am

    Wong has a big win!

  149. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2022 11:00 am

    Wong has a big win!

    We really did kick that mob out just in time

    Can’t wait for splats spin on it though 😉

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2022 11:09 am

    Nice to Dutton has had a change of persona* 🙄

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2022 11:18 am

    According to Potatohead, Albo has been a complete failure as PM … even before there is a Labor ministry in place.

    And the LNP will have to clean up the Labor disaster … (I think he means the one that the ALP left behind)

    Dutton the Dickhead aggressive as ever!

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2022 11:19 am

    BTW, TR, looks a good chance for 77 seats …

  153. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2022 11:35 am

    looks a good chance for 77 seats

    HOW COULD LABOR GET IT SO WRONG!

  154. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 31, 2022 12:12 pm

    Here is another example of our soldiers being in the militia before 1947. Leslie Morshead was a WW1 General. Between WW1 and WW2 he was manager of Orient lines. But he stayed in the militia to stay up to date with modern military ideas. He became a full time General again when WW2 broke out. He defeat Rommel at Tobruk, Easter 1941

    WE did not get a full time standing Army until 1947

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Morshead#Between_the_wars

    Morshead returned to Australia in November 1919 and his AIF appointment was terminated in March 1920. He considered applying for a regular army commission, but found that these were reserved for graduates of the Royal Military College, Duntroon…

    After working in odd jobs he joined the Orient Line in Sydney on 24 October 1924.He was appointed passenger manager of the Sydney office in 1926. Many Orient Line appointments followed….

    All this time, he remained active in the part-time Militia, commanding the 19th Infantry Battalion from 1921 to 1925.[36] He became commander of the 36th Infantry Battalion on 1 August 1926.[37] He was promoted to colonel in 1933, and was appointed to command the 14th Infantry Brigade on 1 January 1933. When he moved to Melbourne in 1934, he transferred to command of the 15th Infantry Brigade, then part of the 3rd Division under Major General Sir Thomas Blamey. On returning to Sydney in 1937 he assumed command of the 5th Infantry Brigade. During a visit to England in 1937 as part of his duties with the Orient Line, he had occasion to observe the British Army on manoeuvres in East Anglia, and was impressed by the pace of modern mechanised forces

    In 1939 Morshead was Manager of a shipping company- Orient Lines. Easter 1941 he defeated Rommel at Tobruk

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2022 1:28 pm

    Kneel, I have read the whole document … right now we have a “militia” called Reserves of over 20,000 and a “permanent” army (three branches) of almost 60,000 … there are moves afoot to increase the permanent (regular/professional soldiers) by something like 18,000.

    The last Census shows over 600,000 Australians are ex-servicemen/women.

    The Australian itself has been changing and morphing since Federation …

    What you need to remember is that there is always a “core” of permanent, professional, military skilled people serving … and that has been the case since 1901 … when things get sticky governments, recruit, call up the reserves (ie militia) and then conscript civilians … FYI, the current Reserves form 1 Commando who have served with distinction overseas … 2 Commando is the regular army (ie permanently full strength)

    It was an Australian militia battalion who first took on the Japanese on the Kokoda … check the history of the 39th all “chokos” (“chocolate soldiers – would melt in battle”). The 39th served with distinction!

    As an aside, the East India Company had an army of 250,000 and fought alongside the british redcoats … military history has some strange twist and turns …

    Have you watched “Danger Close” yet?

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2022 1:29 pm

    The Australian Defence Force itself

  157. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2022 1:31 pm

    er, nil,

    He considered applying for a regular army commission, but found that these were reserved for graduates of the Royal Military College, Duntroon…

    How do you reserve a place for someone in something called ” a regular army commission” (??) in a ‘regular army’ you claim doesn’t exist?

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2022 1:32 pm

    Kneel, this may enlighten you too …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_Sun_(badge)

  159. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 31, 2022 2:44 pm

    How do you reserve a place for someone in something called ” a regular army commission” (??) in a ‘regular army’ you claim doesn’t exist?

    OK it existed but was very small. I will have a guess and say 90% of our soldiers from 1901-1947.were in the Militia which morphed into the Army Reserve.

    Leslie Morshead was a WW1 General. The army was disbanded in 1921. Between WW1 and WW2 Morshead was Manager of a shipping company -Orient LInes. But he was in the Militia between the wars so he kept up to date with the latest development.

    Morshead left Orient LInes in 1939 and became fulltime Army.

    John Monash (a University was named after him) was an engineer but was in the Militia pre-WW1. He only became full time army when WW1 broke out.

    We did not get a proper full time permanent army until 1947

  160. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 31, 2022 2:47 pm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Australian_Army#Occupation_of_Japan

    The Australian Regular Army was subsequently formed on 30 September 1947,
    while the CMF was re-raised on 1 July 1948.[20]

  161. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2022 2:49 pm

    Can’t wait for splats spin on it though 😉”

    Scummo needed to lose because he was incompetent.

    I’m doing my best to cut Eachway some slack as he deserves a shot. Time will tell. Bit early yet.

  162. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2022 3:03 pm

    Scummo needed to lose because he was incompetent.

    I meant about Penny Wong turning back the Red Army single handedly after the libs allowed them a beachhead, but your point is accurate too 😉

  163. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 31, 2022 3:42 pm

    I hope she is successful. I’m trying not to be a mean boy! Can I borrow your rose-tinted glasses?

  164. Tom R permalink
    May 31, 2022 4:04 pm

    Can I borrow your rose-tinted glasses?

    Oh, they aren’t rose tinted anymore, they’re fucken Rainbow these days 🙂

  165. May 31, 2022 4:04 pm

    RE:

    … your rose-tinted glasses

    Yep – China is not going to give up. Besides they think in terms of decades/centuries rather than 3/4 year terms which characterise ‘The West’.

    Will probably resort to nation by nation negotiation – with the likelihood of some gains. So how will Australia counter? What carrots can we offer? Will we continue to approve new mines? Or will we think that it’s all over?

    So many options but our response(s) has to be for the longer term. Are the Opposition(s) up for that?

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2022 4:06 pm

    LOL! Can I borrow your rose-tinted glasses?

    Give Potatohead a call … he’s at his most generous now — apparently …

  167. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 31, 2022 4:22 pm

    TB

    From your link

    The Australian Army was initially composed almost completely of part–time soldiers,
    where the vast majority were in units of the Citizens Military Force (CMF or Militia)

    We did not get a full time regular army until 1947

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2022 4:31 pm

    😶😶😶

  169. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 31, 2022 4:48 pm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Army

    The Australian Army was initially composed almost completely of part–time soldiers,
    where the vast majority were in units of the Citizens Military Force (CMF or Militia) (1901–1980) during peacetime, with limits set on the regular Army. Since all reservists were barred from forcibly serving overseas, volunteer expeditionary forces (1st AIF, ANMEF, 2nd AIF) were formed to enable the Army to send large numbers of soldiers to serve overseas during periods of war.[5][6]
    This period lasted from federation until post–1947, when a standing peacetime regular infantry force was formed

    WE did not get a standing full time army until 1947

  170. May 31, 2022 4:51 pm

    ToM re the TEALS and apparently:

    The same talking points

    Not quite as ridiculous as:

    Coalition members often repeated speeches and notes provided by the prime minister’s team. On one occasion, a Coalition member even delivered a seven-minute speech on legislation that had actually been passed a week earlier .

    Our ‘democracy’ could do with some improvements?

    Could Labor be adventurous and appoint an independent Speaker? Probably not.

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2022 6:11 pm

    Last one, Kneel … you’re blinded by “standing army” … ya think only volunteers are military … check out Ukraine!

    https://anzacportal.dva.gov.au/wars-and-missions/ww1/military-organisation/australian-imperial-force

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2022 6:13 pm

    77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 77 😊

  173. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 31, 2022 6:31 pm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Australian_Army#Occupation_of_Japan

    Meanwhile, planning for post-war defence arrangements had come to the
    conclusion that the Australian Army should be predicated on maintaining a relatively strong peacetime force. This was a significant departure from past Australian defence policy which had previously relied on citizen forces, the Australian Army would include a permanent field force of 19,000 regulars organised into a brigade of three infantry battalions with armoured support, serving alongside a part-time force of 50,000 men in the Citizen Military Forces.[19] The Australian Regular Army was subsequently formed on 30 September 1947, while the CMF was re-raised on 1 July 1948

    So what does this bit mean?

    The Australian Regular Army was subsequently formed on 30 September 1947

    WE did not get a full time standing army until1947

  174. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2022 8:27 pm

    What the left apparently see as suggestions for improvement is actually fact free whining about our “lack of democracy”

  175. Tom R permalink
    June 1, 2022 9:04 am

    our “lack of democracy”

    WHY DID LABOR GET IT SO WRONG!

  176. Tom R permalink
    June 1, 2022 9:18 am

    Not to brag, but ..

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2022 9:42 am

    Nice one, TR … 😎

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