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Australian Share Market in Armageddon wipe out!

June 14, 2022

THE AUSTRALIAN SHARE MARKET has suffered its worse dive since March 2020 following a horror plunge on Wall Street as surging global inflation scares investors.

The benchmark S&P/ASX200 was down 5.3 per cent in early trade with more than $110 billion wiped off stocks. 

By lunchtime, the losses eased to a 4.75 per cent drop, with the index at 6,602.7 points. 

The dramatic plunge followed a nightmare session on Wall Street amid fears an American inflation rate of 8.6 per cent in May – the highest since 1981 – would see the US Federal Reserve raise interest rates and potentially spark a recession in the world’s biggest economy.

Speaking exclusively to The Gutter Trash, a prominent Sydney based broker said “It’s a complete and utter fucking shit show.”

Another random angry person just told us to “fuck off”.

Random angry person

Where this ends is anyone’s guess, but with the RBA hell bent on raising interest rates in an attempt to rein in inflation (when the main causes of the recent bout of inflation aren’t influenced by interest rates, which is another story) the full on fallout remains to be seen.






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  1. Which Hunt`Teabag permalink
    June 14, 2022 1:56 pm

    Wait until the interest rates start marching north, then you’ll see everything go all jurassic park.`

  2. Tom R permalink
    June 14, 2022 2:13 pm

    a prominent Sydney based broker said “It’s a complete and utter fucking shit show.”

    Another random angry person just told us to “fuck off”.

    So you spoke to splats and me?

    Didn’t take this mob long to trash that healthy economy, did it!

  3. Tony permalink
    June 14, 2022 2:30 pm

    I’ll be doing the same thing I’ve done every other time the sharemarket crashed I mean underwent a correction. Nothing!

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2022 4:01 pm

    Me too, ToSY … ’cause I can’t!

    I do have a solar system and a solar hot water system on my roof, 5000l s/s water tank and another 3000l s/s tank for drinking water, an outdoor (LPG) kitchen – plate a grill BBQ/rotisserie, a gas ring (for my wok) and another plate … a fire pit with grill plate and tripod (plenty of firewood) … add a Hyundai Solar Generator, only 300W, with two, 240v outlets and a variety of charging ports, coupled with my portable solar two panel, takes about four hours to charge.

    All my power tools are Ryobi 18+ …

    Plenty of ebooks, mp4 film and TV and the inevitable mp3’s

    Just sit tight and wait …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Didn’t take this mob long to trash that healthy economy, did it!

    Notice how Labor seems to win government just as the economy explodes?

    Some folk is so slow to see the trewf …

    Pity renewables weren’t under development a decade ago, hey?

  5. June 14, 2022 4:30 pm

    Both a sell-off and a buy-up . Never happened before.

    If only Josh hadn’t been aced.

  6. June 15, 2022 11:05 am

    Oh noes, we’re all gonna be rooned….!

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  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 15, 2022 11:27 am

    The 10 highest minimum wages-
    Australia – $30,243 ($14.54/hour)
    Luxembourg – $28,433 ($13.67/hour)
    New Zealand – $27,414 ($13.18/hour)
    Monaco – $24,710 ($11.88/hour)
    Ireland – $24-,003 ($11.54/hour)
    France – $23,837 ($11.46/hour)
    United Kingdom – $23,649 ($11.37/hour)
    Netherlands – $23,316 ($11.21/hour)
    Belgium – $23,004 ($11.06/hour)
    Germany – $22,214 ($10.68/hour)

  8. Tom R permalink
    June 15, 2022 11:51 am

    wtf?

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2022 2:01 pm

    The 10 highest minimum wages-

    You point, ToM?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Can someone please explain to me the benefits to society (again), in privatising essential services eg power?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    wtf?

    We do not want to become the 51st state of the USofA … God ain’t blessing ’em that’s fer sure …

    That clip is very sick minded, TR … to anyone who has kids particularly …

  10. June 15, 2022 3:17 pm

    Re:

    someone please explain to me the benefits to society (again), in privatising essential services

    Whoever said that privatization was about social benefit? As the name suggests, it’s about private benefit. And the evidence abounds.

    Increasingly, politics has become a contest between candidates A and B while the much more important ideological debate travels below the radar. It’s a clear example of false consciousness in play.

  11. June 15, 2022 3:36 pm

    So:

    As the Treasury Secretary, Steven Kennedy, made clear last week the future Budget outlook is exceptionally difficult. He noted the “pressures to raise more revenue over time” and saw no scope to lower taxes in future.

    Seems Kennedy also has a clear ideological position in that he’s seeking to lower taxes.

    Sorry but that’s not his role. He’s there to advise government on how to fund a particular set of policy proposals. He’s not there to preach – low taxes (and low services) good and (implied) high taxes are bad.

    No wonder he was appointed by Morrison and retained by Albo.

  12. June 15, 2022 3:38 pm

    Alan Joyce annual salary = $24 million.

    That’s $2million a month

    Or half a million a week.

    Or $100,000 a day.

    He has totally fucked Qantas. Lost luggage, call centre blowouts, staff shortages (after sacking thousands of workers while collecting millions in jobkeeper payments)..

    But YoM blabs on about minimum wage earners getting an extra $1 an hour.

    Oh, do fuck off.

  13. Tony permalink
    June 15, 2022 3:43 pm

    Australia – $30,243 ($14.54/hour)

    This sounded wrong (low), so I looked it up:

    Taking all the relevant considerations into account led the Panel to award an increase of $40 to the NMW, which amounts to an increase of 5.2 per cent. The NMW will be $812.60 per week or $21.38 per hour. The Panel observed that this level of increase will protect the real value of the wages of the lowest-paid workers.

    Click to access 2022-fwc-3501-summary.pdf

  14. Tony permalink
    June 15, 2022 3:48 pm

    It’s worth noting also that it’s not only the minimum wage being increased:

    The Panel decided to increase modern award minimum wages by 4.6 per cent subject to a minimum increase for adult award classifications of $40 per week. The $40 per week increase is based on a 38-hour week for a full-time employee. In effect, modern award minimum wage rates above $869.60 per week will receive a 4.6 per cent adjustment, wage rates below $869.60 per week will be adjusted by $40 per week.

  15. Tom R permalink
    June 15, 2022 4:01 pm

    It’s worth noting also that it’s not only the minimum wage being increased:

    GOOD!

    And, so good 🙂

    it was right after the demise of the last Liberal cabinet that we re-emerged, and that’s because we noticed there was a gap in the market for grotesque clowns. They’re out; we’re in.

    We actually tried to get Angus Taylor – we offered him the job of playing triangle – but it was a little bit intellectual for him.

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/jun/15/tism-make-long-awaited-return-after-the-election-theres-a-gap-in-the-market-for-grotesque-clowns

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 15, 2022 4:14 pm

    The comparison of minimum wages is in $US. And today it’s 5% higher!
    So hooray for for us, another world record!
    But I’m sure some will find a reason to complain…oh, they already have!

  17. Tom R permalink
    June 15, 2022 4:24 pm

    oh, they already have!

    I mean, there is reason to, even you would have to agree

  18. Tony permalink
    June 15, 2022 4:27 pm

    The comparison of minimum wages is in $US.

    Okay, got it. What many Australians don’t realise – till they travel to Europe or the US – is we are a (comparatively) high wage economy with a (comparatively) high cost of living. One leads to the other which leads to the other and so on.

  19. Tom R permalink
    June 15, 2022 4:36 pm

    One leads to the other

    Except, wages have stagnated for the past decade, yet inflation/cost of living is out of control. Please explain?

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2022 4:40 pm

    But I’m sure some will find a reason to complain…oh, they already have!

    A self assessment I take it?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … we are a (comparatively) high wage economy with a (comparatively) high cost of living.

    Bingo! Now could you explain to ToM, the economic phenomena of multiplier effect and churn … thanks in advance

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2022 4:43 pm

    MN,

    Whoever said that privatization was about social benefit?

    A favourite saying from my birthplace, Yorkshire, is “sarcasm is the lowest form of wit” … Yorkshire is famous for its sarcasm and cynicism – plenty of wit about … comes from historic genes at play, methinks …

  22. Tony permalink
    June 15, 2022 4:55 pm

    Except, wages have stagnated for the past decade

    Are you sure, or you just making shit up?

    https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/earnings-and-working-conditions/employee-earnings/aug-2021

  23. Tom R permalink
    June 15, 2022 5:03 pm

    Are you sure, or you just making shit up?

    Yes, especially when you consider the Distribution of earnings

  24. Tony permalink
    June 15, 2022 5:07 pm

    I’ll never forget a Ford executive telling me the average cost of labour on the Broadmeadows production line was around $50 (about ten years ago), but they were building cars in Thailand (Ranger and Focus, I think) for $7.50 per hour.

    Two points:

    First: Thai workers were providing their labour willingly. They weren’t slaves or being taken advantage of. Their cost of living was low.

    Second: There are no cars being built in Australia. Something that can’t go on forever, won’t.

  25. Tom R permalink
    June 15, 2022 5:21 pm

    And Thailand subsidies it auto industry. Massively

    I also think the guy was talking shit

  26. Tom R permalink
    June 15, 2022 5:33 pm

    The latest wage price index figures confirm that when Australians go to the polls this Saturday, their real wages will be lower than at the last federal election. Not only that, but so bad has been the fall that real wages are now essentially no different from what they were when Tony Abbott took office in 2013.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2022/may/19/australian-wages-in-real-terms-are-essentially-no-different-from-where-they-were-in-2013

  27. Tony permalink
    June 15, 2022 5:41 pm

    Thailand has just announced subsidies foe electric vehicles (EVs). I’m sure you green-lefties will approve.

    https://www.just-auto.com/news/thai-offers-subsidies-and-incentives-to-promote-evs/

    Talking shit, you say? (And my conversation was 10 years ago!)

    https://www.erieri.com/salary/job/factory-worker/thailand

  28. Tony permalink
    June 15, 2022 5:44 pm

    real wages are now essentially no different from what they were when Tony Abbott took office in 2013.

    Real wages. Which means they have kept pace with inflation. What could be fairer to all concerned?

  29. Tom R permalink
    June 15, 2022 6:02 pm

    Talking shit, you say

    Yes, because, ignoring the subsidy issue, he is comparing the Thai hourly wage with what something thinks the companies budget for labour for an hour, which is generally twice the wage

    Which means they have kept pace with inflation up until now, and barely. And, we are supposed to improving living standards, not barely maintaining them

  30. Tony permalink
    June 15, 2022 6:09 pm

    he is comparing the Thai hourly wage with what something thinks the companies budget for labour for an hour, which is generally twice the wage

    Ignoring the fact your sentence is barely intelligible, he was comparing the cost of labour (including all on-costs). Ten years ago!

    we are supposed to improving living standards, not barely maintaining them

    Are we? Whatever, I’m sure Albo and his baby treasurer will see to it.

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2022 6:27 pm

    There are no cars being built in Australia. Something that can’t go on forever, won’t.

    Actually not true …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmaster_Protected_Mobility_Vehicle

    Just needs some mods for civilian sale … 😉

    … the average cost of labour on the Broadmeadows production line was around $50 …

    $50!

    Thailand has just announced subsidies foe electric vehicles (EVs). I’m sure you green-lefties will approve.

    And you don’t … or has that right wing ideology addled your observation ability?

    Which means they have kept pace with inflation. What could be fairer to all concerned?

    But not profits, productivity and cost of living … Brisbane’s rates have just gone up 5% …

    And I thought you knew what you were talking about … you live in Australia a supposedly egalitarian country one of the richest in the world and our riches are being sucked dry by people who have more than enough to live a lavish lifestyle … ask Alan Joyce and co …

    And the pollies have just had a pay rise!

    … we are supposed to improving living standards, not barely maintaining them

    Absofknlutely! TR!

    The rich pricks have always been greedy once they are rich … Robber Barons at play!

    People I know wonder why I get so angry about this subject … its because I’ve been there … these days I’m relatively “safe” … but still understand the struggle … and the fear others feel.

    40 bucks a week … and 3 million Australians live in poverty … my country has become sick …

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2022 6:30 pm

    Are we? Whatever, I’m sure Albo and his baby treasurer will see to it.

    Are we? Where do you come from?

    Morrison and Joshy didn’t … too busy collecting treasure from Australia’s coffers …

  33. Tony permalink
    June 15, 2022 6:33 pm

    And I thought you knew what you were talking about …

    Did you.

  34. Tom R permalink
    June 15, 2022 9:30 pm

    Some of the highlights from Grogs article
    Wages have not kept up with inflation
    Given lower-paid workers spend more of their income on non-discretionary items than the average household, this means those workers have seen a truly massive drop in their standard of living.

    Wages are not growing as fast as they should

    And somehow you think that is a good thing?

    Whatever, I’m sure Albo and his baby treasurer will see to it.
    They have done it before, they will do i again

    Since September 2013, private-sector wages have grown just 1.4% above inflation, compared to the 4.2% they grew during the Rudd/Gillard governments – despite being in power for three fewer years.

    That 1.4% growth is so pathetic in reality, once you take into account taxation and the thresholds of government payments, it likely means that workers have not seen any increase in their purchasing power over the eight years of the Coalition government.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2022/feb/24/real-wages-in-australia-have-tanked-and-cant-be-hidden-by-the-coalition

  35. Tony permalink
    June 15, 2022 10:32 pm

    Grog’s been a shill for Labor for at least 20 years.

    First he says real wages haven’t changed in a decade. Then he says they haven’t kept up with inflation, meaning they’ve gone down.

    Still talking shit.

  36. Tony permalink
    June 15, 2022 10:46 pm

    Besides, isn’t it the independent Fair Work Commission that determines wage increases after considering submissions from all parties, government being just one (see Rudd government Fair Work Act 2009). Or are you and Grog implying they are puppets of the government of the day?

  37. June 16, 2022 8:38 am

    Clearly the journalist is not up to the task:

    “Energy users also need confidence that all market participants are working to the common good.”

    What’s with this common good nonsense? Since when is capitalism about the ‘other’ as conceptually distinct from the ‘individual’.

    Hasn’t he read Rand’s classic – The Virtue of Selfishness ?

    (… a concern with one’s own interests is a character trait that, when translated into action, enables one to achieve and guard one’s own well-being, it follows that selfishness is a virtue.
    One must manifest a serious concern for one’s own interests if one is to lead a healthy, purposeful, fulfilling life. )

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/energy-market-is-a-crash-everyone-saw-coming-but-did-nothing-to-stop-20220615-p5au00.html

  38. Tom R permalink
    June 16, 2022 9:35 am

    Still talking shit.

    Only if you don’t read. He was talking about specifics. Particularly if you ignore the rich, who have done extremely well in the past decade, compared to the very poor, who have been hammered.

  39. Tom R permalink
    June 16, 2022 10:11 am

    They weren’t wrong

  40. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 16, 2022 12:34 pm

    “And, we are supposed to improving living standards, not barely maintaining them”

    The great news is that Eachway won the election and now has his hands on the levers of power. Improved living standards for all are just around the corner!!!

  41. Tom R permalink
    June 16, 2022 12:39 pm

    Improved living standards for all are just around the corner!

    Going on Labors history, you are in fact correct splats 😉

  42. Tom R permalink
    June 16, 2022 9:46 pm

  43. June 17, 2022 8:43 am

    Australian mining magnate Gina Rinehart, Seven West Media chairman Kerry Stokes, Andrew Forrest, South Australian Premier Peter Malinauskas as well as journalists from ABC News, Sydney Morning Herald, Nine and Sky News – all banned from visiting Russia BUT no mention re reb of Melbourne.

    What’s going on?

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2022 9:20 am

    reb who?

  45. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2022 9:54 am

    BUT no mention re reb of Melbourne.

    So, reb IS a COMMIE!

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2022 10:00 am

    reb who!!!

  47. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2022 12:01 pm

    reb who!!!

    Sorry, red of Melniboné 😉

  48. June 17, 2022 2:04 pm

    Did you know the King’s School –

    … plans to fly the headmaster, his deputy and their wives first class to the world’s most prestigious rowing event, the Henley Royal Regatta, to rub shoulders with the heads of Britain’s top schools.

    The school’s first VIII is competing in the Princess Elizabeth Challenge Cup for the third time since 2001 …

    Did you know that the fees for day students (not boarders) is in the order of $40 00.00 pa?And yet they receive additional money from the Commonwealth under the heading of needs based funding.

    Worse, the incoming Labor Government will do naught about it.

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/anger-at-king-s-school-over-plans-to-fly-headmaster-to-prestigious-british-regatta-20220616-p5au8g.html

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2022 2:43 pm

    Sorry, red of Melniboné 😉

    I did see stuntreb of Mexico on the list? Are they one and the same?

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2022 2:48 pm

    Worse, the incoming Labor Government will do naught about it.

    And I agree … sickening … “learning” is not about gallivanting around the world to watch a bunch of boats. Nor, as you point out, MN, is it “needs” based … its simply “wants” …

  51. June 17, 2022 3:15 pm

    TB – needs based (funding) was designed to be about funding for the educational needs of children/students but has since evolved to be about (funding) the political needs of parents. And that applies to both sides of politics.

    Under Section 51 of the Constitution, education remains a State responsibility. However, under Section 96 the Commonwealth Parliament may grant financial assistance to any State on such terms and conditions as the Parliament thinks fit.

    In an attempt to win/buy votes, both sides of politics see fit to provide enormous (and disproportionate) financial assistance to Private Schools.

    And it’s not likely to change in the foreseeable future. Gonski gave Labor a chance to right the many (funding) wrongs but Labor blew it.

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2022 6:15 pm

    Keep that up, MN, and 😲 … been saying the same for many years now …

    I have no time for elitism … one of the traits I love(d) in Oz … the Poms worship The Firm … the Yanks worship the $ … I used to think we worship, no-one, but ourselves … The Pope/Islam/etc seem to be invading our space … as surreptitiously as they did in AD 1000 (or later)!

    A local catholic college has spread to destroy a local seafront shopping centre! (on prime land as usual) … a local primary school is to be expanded to a secondary school – no survey – nowt – just IS! (S)

    I did laugh at the ignorance of a local catholic college St Patricks who transported their students in the Paddy Wagon 🙄 … igorrance writ large! No longer around BTW … 😎

    Disclaimer: While I give the catlicks a hard toime ’tis because of more ‘tan wun pearsonal experience wit’ t’em … the rest of the fairy-tale believers are no better!

    Wanna preach … do it at your own expense …

  53. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2022 7:18 pm

    In an attempt to win/buy votes, both sides of politics see fit to provide enormous (and disproportionate) financial assistance to Private Schools.

    Whether private schools should get any govt money is a separate topic. Some people may say if you want private school education for your children, do it at your own expense.

    But the fact is private schools saves the govt money. Private schools do NOT get enormous financial assistance from the govt. They get less/student than public schools. The difference is made up by student fees paid by the parents. As you stated some parents are paying $40,000 pa for their kids private education.

    If every private school child left private schools and joined the public system the govt would have to come up with a lot more money

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2022 9:52 pm

    Kneel. Give your nonsense a rest! And stop listening to 2GB and watching Sky News!

  55. June 17, 2022 10:34 pm

    Did you know that JobKeeper was a gravy train for many Queensland private schools and private Universities. New financial statements published by the Charities Commission before Christmas show that 27 schools raked in $90 million in JobKeeper payments in 2020 contributing to profits of $100 million.

    Did you know that The King’s School in Parramatta (referred to above) claimed more than $8 million? That’s on top of fees for day students of $40 000? (It’s Angus Taylor’s old school.)

    And you know that schooling is compulsory so how many job losses were anticipated? How much of this profit was paid back? Is this an example of the “Christian education” provided? How many public schools received ‘JobKeeper’?

    How many public Universities received ‘JobKeeper’? How many private Universities received ‘JobKeeper’?

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2022 8:50 am

    * Rigorous executive selection
    * Open and transparent
    * A non partisan public service
    Thanks Dan
    https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/two-hours-37-hirings-ombudsman-probes-red-wedding-public-service-purge-20220616-p5aubl.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1655504494

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2022 9:47 am

    “Suffer the little children … ” Indeed …

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/18/catholic-church-uses-paedophile-priests-death-as-shield-against-new-allegations-in-nsw

    Hypocrites at every level …

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 18, 2022 1:19 pm

    TB

    What nonsense? Fact is public schools get more government money than private schools. Private school fees paid by the parents may make private schools more wealthy than govt schools. Like what was posted earlier. Some parents pay $40K/year for private school education.

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2022 1:57 pm

    Private school fees paid by the parents may make private schools more wealthy than govt schools.

    🙄

  60. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    June 18, 2022 3:57 pm

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  61. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 18, 2022 5:05 pm

    TB

    Fact is government schools get more govt money than private schools.

    If you think that private schools should get zero govt money. Fine.

    It just means all the kids in private schools will transfer to govt schools and now the govt will have to come up with even more money to fund all these extra children.

  62. June 18, 2022 5:42 pm

    If only Julian Assange was an Australian ‘taxpayer’ then …

    (Seriously – this is a real test for Albo.)

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2022 6:08 pm

    KNEEL!

    Fact is government schools get more govt money than private schools.

    According to the data, which compared combined commonwealth and state government funding for schools in 2009-10 to 2019-20, funding for private schools has jumped by more than $3,000 per student over the last ten years, while per student funding in public schools rose by just $703.21 Feb 2022

    https://www.theeducatoronline.com/k12/news/new-study-highlights-funding-gap-between-public-and-private-schools/279623

    (My bold)

    Now stop your nonsense and do some serious research (start with MN’s comments above) before commenting here or you just might be banned* …

    As for: It just means all the kids in private schools will transfer to govt schools … what a revelation that would be … then all we need to do is to get rid of the “school chaplains” and employ people interested in childrens’ welfare … rather than their religious beliefs …

    *😉 @ the blogmeister …

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2022 6:13 pm

    If only Julian Assange was an Australian ‘taxpayer’ then …

    Is Assange still an Australian Citizen?

    I’ve always been twitxt and between with Assange … he did put many people “in service” at risk … but I think he (I hope) has learned a lesson after all this time.

    Having said that, personal experience overseas with the Australian Diplomatic Service has never been “supportive”. (No, I was not detained, splats!)

  65. June 18, 2022 6:34 pm

    TB – it was claimed (in the long distant past) that he put people at risk but that was years, and years ago (2007?) and to date that claim has proved groundless. Further. some of his co-accused are now ‘out and about’.

    Methinks that those who were/are in authority are seeking revenge out of embarrassment. Further, it might be argued that he was simply a journalist doing his job.

    Regardless, he is an Australian CITIZEN and therefore entitled to the best protection the Australian government can offer. Don’t think that’s happened.

    What he’s been through in recent years (10 in total) is nothing less than torture.

  66. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 18, 2022 7:37 pm

    TB

    Your link does no show how much funding govt schools get/student compared to private schools. All your link says is that govt funding for private schools has increased more than for govt schools.

    Fact is govt schools get more money/student than for private schools. I think govt schools get double the amount/student compared to private schools.

    Anyway that is what i will believe until proven otherwise.

    Now if you want to say private schools should get zero money. Fine.

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2022 8:19 pm

    1. Julian Assange was instrumental in getting Trump elected. Why is he so admired by the left?
    2. Alan Joyce does a great job. The left don’t like him because he had the balls to take on 2 unions and won**
    ** Note there are about 15 unions in Qantas and most didn’t support the action of 2

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2022 9:29 pm

    Now if you want to say private schools should get zero money. Fine.

    Yep! I do! Now do piss off …

    Jesus fuckin christ then ToM turns up with more wankering!

  69. June 18, 2022 10:11 pm

    Just for the record.

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2022 6:16 pm

    And also for the record …

    P.J. Crowley, the State Department spokesman when the WikiLeaks story erupted in 2010, said those most at risk were civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq who were secretly passing information to the U.S. military.

    “A number of people went into hiding, a number of people had to move, particularly those civilians in war zones who had told U.S. soldiers about movements of the Taliban and al-Qaida,” he said. “No doubt some of those people were harmed when their identities were compromised.”

    WikiLeaks has made multiple disclosures over the past decade, including one in March 2017 when the group released what it said were CIA technical documents on a range of spying techniques.

    This revealed ways that a state-of-the art television could serve as a listening device even when it was turned off.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/04/12/712659290/how-much-did-wikileaks-damage-u-s-national-security

    What he’s been through in recent years (10 in total) is nothing less than torture.

    Certainly less than our Veteran Diggers … who are conflicted for a lifetime … there is a fine line between enlightening the public and enlightening the enemy …

    I hate (not a word I use generally) it but journalism carries with it the same responsibility as “free speech” … ’tis not a right … ’tis earned … and usually by brave young men with weapons in their hands … not wimps typing “scoops” …

    Having said the above, I agree …

    Regardless, he is an Australian CITIZEN and therefore entitled to the best protection the Australian government can offer. Don’t think that’s happened.

    Two months ago I would have said — best of luck — now Assange has a chance … we are after all members of AUKUS … I would hope my citizenship would count for something!

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 20, 2022 10:48 am

    This sounds sensible, about trans women in swimming
    Under the rules, he said, male competition would be open to all. But “male-to-female transgender athletes and intersex athletes can only compete as female athletes in FINA competition, or set a world record, if they can prove they have not experienced any element of male puberty.”

  72. June 20, 2022 1:12 pm

    And Cate Campbell handles the (no easy answers) issue rather well

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-20/cate-campbell-speaks-to-fina-ahead-of-transgender-athlete-call/101166396

  73. June 20, 2022 1:18 pm

    And a bigger historical picture is being painted:

    The course of history is influenced by individuals, but it is social forces and the architecture of society that create events of historical significance. Only if someone like Putin is following in the tracks of social development will they influence geopolitical outcomes. Force of circumstances wins out over the most charismatic of individuals in the geopolitics of empires.

    https://johnmenadue.com/putin-and-the-geopolitics-of-war-in-ukraine/

  74. June 20, 2022 1:24 pm

    Greg Barns has something to say:

    If the US is successful in prosecuting an Australian journalist and publisher for letting the world know the dirty secrets of the US military machine then this will have a chilling effect on press freedom. And it will embolden other nations to follow suit.

    If the US can seek the arrest of a journalist who is not a citizen of that country and who has not set foot in the US, then how can it, and nations such as Australia, criticise China for enacting a law last year which allows for critics of that regime to be hunted down irrespective of where they are in the world

    Hopefully, Albo will persuade Biden to let the matter rest.

    https://johnmenadue.com/julian-assange-albanese-government-enough-is-enough/

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 20, 2022 1:44 pm

    After extensive research, I’ve come to the conclusion that weird, uneducated fascist men admire or excuse Putin
    There seems to be no evidence that women wish to understand his brutality

  76. June 20, 2022 2:01 pm

    Perhaps if the first paragraph (of the linked article) is repeated it might help.

    The particular philosophy of history that reduces seminal events to the conscious activities of individuals was all the fashion in eighteenth century historiography. But everything old is new again when it comes to allocating blame.

    History is made by notable individuals, is what Washington thinks, and its satellites fall in line with this conceptual structure. Reporting on the war in Ukraine parallels Nietzsche’s superman thesis

    .

    The world (of insights) moves on. Only some try to keep up.

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 20, 2022 2:17 pm

    Fascinating insight from someone who thought it would be best if Russia just strolled into Ukraine, without resistance

  78. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 20, 2022 3:06 pm

    Yep! I do! Now do piss off …

    You should ask why so many parents are sending their kids to private schools at great cost?

    Govt schools are training kids in leftism, socialism, climate change, Marxism i have been told. Plus the discipline has gone. I had a relative whose son was bashed up in the playground and the teachers did nothing about it. So they removed him from the school and sent him to the closest Christian school

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2022 4:08 pm

    FFS! Kneel … everything you write is complete BS …

    1. No government schools train in leftism, socialism, climate change, Marxism … they do educate high school students but what do you find wrong with those subjects? You prefer bible studies, I’d guess?

    2. Discipline has “gone” everywhere … from Federal politicians to pre-school (full circle)… and just read this blog … 😎

    3. … sent him to the closest Christian school … where he is likely to find stabbings, extortion, drugs, bullying and cheating (often by parents and teachers doing their work for them). Most of which I have seen.

    Check this list for “private school”

    https://www.google.com.au/search?q=private+school+stabbings+Australia&ei=LAywYvDcMt314-EPlOSNUA&ved=0ahUKEwjwopyurLv4AhXd-jgGHRRyAwoQ4dUDCA0&oq=private+school+stabbings+Australia&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAwyBQgAEKIEOgcIABBHELADSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUNQhWNQhYP8waANwAXgAgAGpAYgBqQGSAQMwLjGYAQCgAQHIAQPAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz

  80. June 20, 2022 4:59 pm

    Re:

    … best if Russia just strolled into Ukraine …

    Early days. Indeed, methinks, it’s very, very early days with no end date in sight. But already there’s many who think the human cost is unacceptable. As they should. So much blood spilt that could’ve been avoided. So much unnecessary human misery that will be ongoing.

    Nevertheless, there are those who are overjoyed, particularly after the profits generated by the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan ended. Now there’s new frontiers for gain with $5.6 billion already provided by the US since this outbreak.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/17/russia-ukraine-war-summary-of-weapons-us-has-given-to-ukraine.html

    And no-one knows where this will end. So many possibilities. So few probabilities. From the original link:

    Taking a long view, Putin would be justified in believing the cards will fall for Russia. The united front against him will weaken over time. Western economies are feeling the pain as gas and oil prices along with inflation soar. In time, there will be a retreat from economic war. Furthermore, countries will be found to circumvent the sanctions. Russia will launch an import replacement program to produce components and spare parts critical for the war machine ..

    The spectre that must haunt the US power elite is what happens if Putin’s Eurasian common market embraces China. … Domination of Eurasia by China and Russia would rewire inter-imperial relations. China is already set to displace the US as the world’s most powerful economy, and its military spending will match the US in the late 2040s.

    These conflicts are likely to outlive the personalities involved, so any ‘victory’ or any ‘loss’ will be but a footnote on the historical record. So sad!

  81. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 20, 2022 5:03 pm

    TB

    Then why are more and more parents choosing to send their kids to private schools?

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 20, 2022 5:53 pm

    Russia will launch an import replacement program to produce components and spare parts critical for the war machine ..
    Good luck with going it on your own in avionic manufacturing, motor vehicles and heavy duty transportation with an economy the same size as Australia’s.

  83. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    June 20, 2022 6:13 pm

    “This sounds sensible, about trans women in swimming”

    Yes, you are right.

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2022 6:15 pm

    Then why are more and more parents choosing to send their kids to private schools?

    Kneel you don’t really want me to answer that question?

    You may not like it … but!

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2022 6:20 pm

    MN permalink
    June 20, 2022 4:59 pm

    You’re point, MN? Seems you think Ukraine should just quit? Would you if we had a “nasty” on our doorstep … ?

    Like all wars …

    And no-one knows where this will end. So many possibilities. So few probabilities.

    Since WW2, Ukraine’s defence is nothing short of heroic …

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2022 6:23 pm

    Yes, you are right.

    Ahhh! …

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 20, 2022 7:14 pm

    TB is still stuck on fighting his English class wars.
    My kids went to prominent private schools. They have no sense of entitlement or privilege
    Both are well adjusted, bright kids that are politically aware- both supported Monique Ryan in the federal election.
    They and their friends show none of the characteristics that TB’s bigotry suggests

  88. June 20, 2022 7:23 pm

    Why do people send their kids to private schools is a good question. The answer is complex.

    First, the overt curriculum (what’s taught – the ‘content’ – Maths, Physics, English, Chemistry, Economics etc etc) is common to both systems. In Australia, we have a national (common) curriculum. This ‘common’ curriculum allows for a ‘common’ testing regime. Thus, same ‘exams’ at the same time with the same ‘credential’ at the end of the process.

    So it’s not the overt curriculum that differentiates – nor is it the ‘credential’ – because they are exactly the same.

    Second, look at who ‘delivers’ the curriculum – the teachers. While there are different institutions in the business of educating teachers, all teachers (generally speaking) go through the same process and therefore get the same credential. They go through the same professional socialisation process. Further, they are all ‘registered’ by a State funded and approval authority.

    So why do many parents choose one institution over another? Why choose ‘private’ over ‘public’ or vice versa. (Should point out that the hardest school to ‘get in to’ re highest entrance requirements is James Ruse. A State school that has topped the nation for the last 20 years or so.)

    Fact is, many (if not most) parents believe that if you pay (directly) for something it must be better. Thus there’s ‘guilt feelings’ if you don’t do your best for your child. And it works a treat. Like in the wider society, there’s the belief that ‘private’ is ALWAYS better than ‘public’ – regardless of it being a nonsense. Look above to see why.

    (As an aside, my eldest grandchild who has only attended a State school ‘topped the State’ the year before last and is now at University on a $60 000.00 5year scholarship – saving me a relative fortune. Lol.)

  89. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    June 20, 2022 7:34 pm

    “My kids went to prominent private schools. They have no sense of entitlement or privilege”

    I guess if you’ve already had it, how could you possibly know…. oh never mind … 🙄

  90. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    June 20, 2022 7:39 pm

    I mean, I didn’t have a private school education, but I imagine it must’ve been very tough not to mention the many doors that would have remained slammed shut as you left your privileged existence to venture out into the world.

    Cry me a fkn river.

    “both supported Monique Ryan in the federal election”

    OMG, how are you coping with that….??

  91. June 20, 2022 7:44 pm

    Re “fighting class wars”. You don’t have to go to England to to see “class wars” in action.

    “Class warfare” (depending on definition) is at the heart of how modern society works.

    “Class” categorizations (of various types) are used in virtually all areas of social science research. But in our society (that doesn’t have ‘classes’ LOL) the name has been changes/disguised so as to protect those who simply don’t understand.

    “Class” is an “abstract concept”. And a very useful one. In education, it’s widely used to predict learning outcomes for various ‘social groups’ (read ‘classes’).

  92. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 20, 2022 7:50 pm

    Why do people send their kids to private schools is a good question. The answer is complex.

    I suspect i is the lack of discipline in State/government schools. That is why my relative took his son out of the government system and sent him to a Christian school even though it cost a lot more.

  93. June 20, 2022 8:02 pm

    Re your relative’s inability to discipline his son.

    Why didn’t you report him to the appropriate authority rather than expect a school to do that? Why outsource ‘responsibility’? Have you other irresponsible relatives? Does it ‘run in the family’? Is it contagious? etc.

  94. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 20, 2022 8:10 pm

    MN

    My relatives son was bashed up in the playground. The teachers did nothing even though the bashing was reported.

    So my relative removed his son from the government system.

    I suspect a lack of discipline in govt schools is why parents are moving their kids to private schools.

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 20, 2022 8:13 pm

    I’m hardly privileged
    For example-
    1. I mow my one lawn both at my house in Melbourne’s leafy inner east and at my beach house
    2. When I fly to Europe next month for a summer vacation, I’ll be in business class, not first.

  96. June 20, 2022 8:26 pm

    But what if the child is bullied in a private school? Can you get a refund of fees paid?

    the parents of a school student refused to pay nearly $43,000 in school fees after claiming a prestigious school failed to protect their son from repeated bullying by his peers.

    Believe it or not, the teachers ‘did nothing’. And it cost $43 000.00

    It was alleged that during this time their son was bullied by his peers including ridiculing and name calling in front of College staff, who took no action to intervene

    So the school took action to recover the money owed, (Only private schools could do that because only private schools would be in that position.)

    withdrew their son from the College, but refused to pay outstanding school fees. The College brought bankruptcy proceedings against the family, seeking the amount of the unpaid school fees.

    Enough of this nonsense!

  97. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 20, 2022 8:32 pm

    MN

    Then why are private schools becoming more popular?

  98. June 20, 2022 8:33 pm

    Re:

    be in business class, not first.

    So being a paid shrill for Joyce ain’t what it used to be? Then again QANTAS has been in decline since Menadue left.

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 20, 2022 8:46 pm

    I’m a retired shrill , there’s no pay involved.

  100. June 20, 2022 10:05 pm

    Not wanting to labor the point but:

    Can Qantas trash its reputation any faster than it has been in recent months? Having spent most of the pandemic clamouring to be allowed to begin operating again, Alan Joyce’s airline returned to the skies unable to provide the most basic services consistently — on-time flights (or simply flights that aren’t cancelled), efficient processing of passengers, peak-demand management, customer service, baggage arriving at the same destination (or not disappearing into some void from which nothing ever returns).

    Throughout this period, Joyce and his team have blamed everyone else. First it was passengers who were not “match fit”. Then it was airports that were to blame for not having enough staff. Then it was the labour market and shortages of workers — after Qantas had illegally sacked thousands of baggage handlers during the pandemic. Joyce, it seems, always has an excuse for why a once-great airline is now regarded as a social media joke and barely worthy of the description “full service”.

    .

    Out of his depth?

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 20, 2022 10:19 pm

    Maybe try facts occasionally. Qantas ranks 8th of all airlines.
    But the left hates Qantas because Joyce becayse Joyce took on a couple of unions, and won
    https://www.worldairlineawards.com/worlds-top-100-airlines-2021/

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 20, 2022 10:23 pm

    Correction…4th in 2022. But that doesn’t stop the whingers from whinging
    https://www.thetravel.com/best-airlines-in-the-world-2022/

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2022 10:29 am

    TB is still stuck on fighting his English class wars.
    My kids went to prominent private schools. They have no sense of entitlement or privilege
    Both are well adjusted, bright kids that are politically aware- both supported Monique Ryan in the federal election.
    They and their friends show none of the characteristics that TB’s bigotry suggests

    Once again, ToM, displays his lack of comprehension skills … I don’t GAFF about prominent private schools, sense of entitlement or privilege, are well adjusted, bright kids that are politically aware nor who your kids supported politically.

    That’s all in your head … not mine … my concern is having to support all of your beliefs, (see above), concerning religious private schools … with public money …

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2022 10:33 am

    I’m hardly privileged

    LOL! Oh, how we laughed!

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2022 10:35 am

    Joyce took on a couple of unions, and won

    Doesn’t look like it now …

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2022 2:18 pm

    Speaking of Alan Joyce and his QANTAS “success” … this was the same incompetent that grounded planes around the world at the expense of passengers … what a hero*** …

    Some of the baggage handlers sacked by Qantas claim they have been refused new airport jobs despite staff shortages and customer complaints about lost luggage.

    Many of the axed ground crew staff say they have been struggling to survive since the airline outsourced their jobs to labour hire companies during the pandemic.

    More than 1100 baggage handlers, ramp workers and cabin cleaners have filled out a survey by the Transport Workers’ Union as its lengthy legal fight with Qantas drags on.

    Almost half of the outsourced staff are still unemployed or in insecure work, with many moving in with family or friends or withdraw their super to get by, according to the poll released on Tuesday.

    A third of the former employees surveyed have developed depression or anxiety since being sacked, with one in 10 saying they have experienced suicidal thoughts and feelings of “worthlessness”.

    https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/sacked-qantas-baggage-handlers-speak-out-amid-airport-chaos/news-story/a18dfdf0f06f2fd21d4bb09cf44b91fc

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2022 6:29 pm

    For the followers of The Robber Barons (and promoters of elite religious private schools) …

    A must read …

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/21/from-groceries-to-energy-theres-not-enough-competition-in-australia

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2022 6:31 pm

    For the followers of The Robber Barons (and promoters of private, elite, religiously oriented schools) … a must read …

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/21/from-groceries-to-energy-theres-not-enough-competition-in-australia

  109. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2022 10:30 pm

    So why is it that when it comes to one of the most important political issues of our time — housing — the cabinet looks nothing like modern Australia?

    Researcher David Kelly crunched the numbers and found that members of the new cabinet declared owning an average of 2.9 properties — 61 properties spread across 23 MPs.

    This isn’t unique to Albanese’s team. In fact, his hand is forced by the make-up of Parliament. All but seven MPs in the last Parliament — 96.6% of them — own a home, according to realestate.com.au analysis.

  110. June 22, 2022 6:21 am

    The Great QANTAS grift:

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 22, 2022 8:48 am

    A substantial Australian company, the 4th best in the world, competing directly against many dozens of others, seeks to make a profit, and does occasionally!
    Only ratbag leftists would regard this as a bad thing

  112. June 22, 2022 10:49 am

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  113. June 22, 2022 10:53 am

    *8 hour call centre wait times.

    *Lost baggage that still hasn’t been returned since April.

    *Thousands of illegally sacked workers.

    *A trashed reputation

    It’s a shit company.

    Only a rusted-on fascist would think otherwise.

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2022 10:56 am

    LOL! @ reb! (and Jenny F-J of course!)

  115. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 22, 2022 10:58 am

    Whining leftists get bothered about Qantas being a genuine success story.
    * The 4th best airline in the world
    * Unparalleled safety record
    * Employs tens of thousands of (unionised) workers in Australia
    What a disappointment for those that hate success

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2022 11:02 am

    And QANTAS has now dropped from 1st to 7th safest airline in the world … yeah, all about PROFIT …

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2022 11:06 am

    What a disappointment for those that hate success

    Is that a Trump saying?

    I bet you’re a big fan of The Apprentice too … and love the catch-phrase …

    “You’re fired!”

    Come with a sense of entitlement … success at the expense of others …

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 22, 2022 11:12 am

    Fascinating TB. Do you know how many airlines there are in the world?

  119. Tom R permalink
    June 22, 2022 1:24 pm

    * The 4th best airline in the world (used to be #1 😦 )
    * Unparalleled safety record (yea, not any more, we are down to #7 as TB pointed out)
    * Employs tens of thousands of (unionised) workers in Australia (LINK!) (oh, and they used to employ unionized baggage handlers, but now they don’t. QWonder why baggage is going missing?)

  120. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 22, 2022 2:20 pm

    Biden loves getting handsy with the kiddies:

    Little surprise then that Biden used to shower inappropriately with his (now nymphomaniac) daughter as a child.

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2022 2:58 pm

    Do you know how many airlines there are in the world?

    Do you care? Or are you now implying that 7th is OK?

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2022 2:59 pm

    Shhh … splats, is obsessed with, Biden … and kiddies. 😯

  123. Tom R permalink
    June 22, 2022 3:11 pm

    Or are you now implying that 7th is OK?

    1 – 7 isn’t as bad as it could be 😉

    splats, is obsessed with, Biden … and kiddies

    It’s kind of unsettling really. I wonder, has he met Bidens daughter? How does he know these details?

    Or is it maybe the kind of relationship yomm (thought) he had with Gillard?

  124. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 22, 2022 3:26 pm

    There are about 800 commercial airline companies, and about 5000 airlines.
    Being the 4th best during a particularly challenging period is a remarkable achievement.
    And baggage handlers can blame the TWU for their decades of protection of rorts

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2022 3:42 pm

    And baggage handlers can blame the TWU for their decades of protection of rorts

    Lynque? Already located Alan Joyce’s …

  126. Tom R permalink
    June 22, 2022 3:51 pm

    There are about 800 commercial airline companies, and about 5000 airlines.

    How many are International yomm, because that is who they are comparing them against

    And, it’s a sad state, when you go from 1 -7, and you think that’s good

  127. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 22, 2022 4:00 pm

    There’s about 250 international airlines.
    To be the 4th best is a remarkable achievement
    Only with Qantas operating profitability and successfully will Australia have-
    * A sustainable aircraft maintenance industry
    * Many thousands of aircraft engineers and tradespeople
    * Aircraft apprenticeships
    * Avionics technicians
    * A stable program for training of commercial pilots
    Qantas is one of the last large scale employers of technical, engineering and trades in the county.
    It’s stupid that the left has the objective of undermining Qantas
    Qantas seeks no more than the operating conditions that unions allow in Virgin

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2022 5:08 pm

    Qantas seeks no more than the operating conditions that unions allow in Virgin

    Alan, I’ve no doubt you believer that … but I have another sad truth for you … leprechauns are a fantasy too …

    Sad to say, Alan, but you’ve destroyed QANTAS … from the ground up … and as for thousands of aircraft engineers and tradespeople … Aircraft apprenticeships … Avionics technicians … training of commercial pilots

    I think you’ll find that all of those careers will happen despite you not because of you … check to see how many of your pilots have a RAAF background or commercial experience elsewhere, same goes for engineers and tradies – all trained by the military especially in avionics (a life or death qual for RAAF pilots) … as for – Aircraft apprenticeships you’ve lost me …

    BTW, Alan, how much will you earn this financial year?

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 22, 2022 5:42 pm

    Yeah right TB.
    I suppose Qantas is full of former motor mechanics turning their attention and skills to the airframe or an aircraft engine

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2022 6:35 pm

    I suppose Qantas is full of former motor mechanics turning their attention and skills to the airframe or an aircraft engine

    Now you’re showing your iggorance … again

    Oddly enough the army, navy and air-force tradies (male female and trans) are trained at the same facility these days … look it up, I already know … and are in high demand when they discharge (sadly not the military skills, infantry, artillery etc – doesn’t seem to work in civvy street) but don’t underestimate the ADF civvy skills … from IT (think about) to a whole range of skills and knowledge – the aviation industry suck up!

    One of my friends in the model railway club is a Colonel in electronics!

    Don’t be fooled, some motor mechs turn their skills to other industry delights, like management and consultancy … I should let a close family member read your “entitlement” comments … he also served … and is now a senior manager.

    ToMmy, you have no idea how the real world operates … and unfortunately I’m thinking its too late for ya! Thank goodness you’ve retired …

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2022 7:01 pm

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2022/06/22/audit-aviation-support-covid-19/

    No fkn comment!

    The people of Australia have been ripped off by big business for far too long!

    Ordinary folk (not you Tom, you are entitled) should bee incensed at the last decades abuse!

  132. June 22, 2022 10:09 pm

    What return should we expect from Albo’s going to a NATO conference? Or shouldn’t we think in those terms?

    Might come as a surprise that Asia (broadly defined) is seeing the ‘conflict’ as US (interests) versus Russian (interests). But not so here in Australia. Of course they are wrong and we are right. (Or maybe not?)

    Wouldn’t be the first time that an early ‘construction of reality’ fell apart over time. Anyone remember Vietnam? Because what was written then (and almost universally accepted) is an embarrassment now – isn’t it?

  133. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    June 22, 2022 10:24 pm

    So YoM, if you travelled with Qantas back in April and they STILL haven’t found your luggage would you still be banging on about what a fabulous fucking airline they are…???

    #IdontThinkSo

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2022 9:03 am

    Anyone remember Vietnam? Mmmmmm …

  135. ivi permalink
    June 23, 2022 10:11 am

    (Or shouldn’t we think in those terms?

    Vietnam was but a dream.)

  136. June 23, 2022 10:40 am

    JERRY AND THE need for a new PACEMAKER(s)

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/jun/22/rupert-murdoch-jerry-hall-divorce-report

  137. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2022 12:20 pm

    I had hoped that Jerry would have bonked him off the planet by now!

    She must be charging too much …

  138. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 23, 2022 12:25 pm

  139. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2022 12:34 pm

    Not sure what your issue with that is splats?

    OR, I am sure, and I’m too polite to say 🙂

  140. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 23, 2022 1:26 pm

    Struck me as funny. Could be handy on the train I guess. I don’t like cloth masks anyway. Wearing them outside is fairly useless unless you’re in a crowd.

  141. Tom R permalink
    June 23, 2022 2:45 pm

    Wearing them outside is fairly useless unless you’re in a crowd.

    This is true, but I can imagine, in a gym especially, these would be quite handy.

    I really wish the Federal government would start advertising and encouraging the use of face masks and distancing, as unpopular as that would be. I mean, this is what political capital is for, isn’t it?

  142. June 23, 2022 5:18 pm

    Re the concept of “political capital”.

    For a time Rudd had heaps and could’ve won a double dissolution – only to see it evaporate in double-quick time.

    As time passes, more and more find reasons to abandon the metaphorical ship, with a much smaller number electing to hop on board.

    The wearing of mask should be encouraged at all levels of government – Local, State and Federal but the punters thrive on a perverted notion of freedom. (Obsessed with – freedom from at the expense of freedom to .

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2022 6:08 pm

    … punters thrive on a perverted notion of freedom.

    Some punters … MN … in many cases a generation(s) who seek to “live” the American Dream (whatever that is!) and lost the plot of the Australian Dream … as did politicians up for a quick quid, real estate agents and their unions ie REIQ … homes are not investment assets … they are homes …

    Freedom don’t (hehe reading Sharpe) meant at the expense of others’ freedoms … selfish is as selfish does!

  144. June 23, 2022 9:58 pm

    Things are really on the improve.

    “My flight was on time. My luggage wasn’t lost. And I didn’t collapse on the flight a la Bali style last week, despite massive anxiety it was going to happen again. …

    https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/flights/samantha-x-revealed-she-collapsed-on-a-qantas-flight-from-bali/news-story/00a1722807b8e96f94754c78e018183b

    Is Joyce no longer in charge?

  145. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 24, 2022 8:03 am

    “… homes are not investment assets … they are homes …”

    Are these mutually exclusive categories, TB? Given the CGT exemption, over-capitalising a main residence might be a good investment.

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2022 10:59 am

    splats, most people who have one property (their home) buy and sell in the same market … investors can choose their moment … and you highlight why it is a problem eg CGT …

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2022 11:00 am

    I see QANTAS is giving all employees a “getting back to service” bonus of $5000.00 … now we know that Alan Joyce reads TGT!

  148. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2022 1:18 pm

    Things are really on the improve.

    Amazing what results you can get when you combine an influencer with a tabloid 😯

  149. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 24, 2022 2:49 pm

    Now this is something – the Department of Justice respectfully disagrees with the Supreme Court. Looks like the Deep State is having a hissy fit.

  150. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 24, 2022 3:42 pm

    Deeves is right (and Rapinoe is despicable):

  151. ivi permalink
    June 25, 2022 6:10 am

    (Deeves is right (and Rapinoe is despicable).

    Indeed; when it comes to mono-obsessive black-and-white thinking, a(ny) mention and/or consideration of a(ny) tendency towards an(y) acceptance of full inclusion(s) of all kids’ potential participations in socially-recognised quasi-(in)formalised categories of (in)essentially made-up activities very likely just ain’t fair on/to the peculiar psyches of some wannabe side-line(d) soccer moms.)

  152. ivi permalink
    June 25, 2022 7:54 am

    (And, in other Good News from Merkinland, more ‘little leaguegames are ‘(over)due’ to be ‘(p)re)processed’, reportedly.)

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2022 9:18 am

    Looks like the Deep State is having a hissy fit.

    So do you agree or disagree with carrying firearms in public …

  154. June 25, 2022 4:58 pm

    This Deep State is an abstract concept? Or have certain individuals been identified?

    How useful is it or is is it in the category of religion – you have to have faith?

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2022 6:17 pm

    Speaking of religion … my family has been planning a birthday celebration … and its a nightmare … those with full-time jobs generally work five days a week and its easy but we have others who work in hospitality and retail full-time and part time … one ’cause she’s studying and ‘tother ’cause he’s got two part time jobs, that may see him working 7 days a week – at this stage his “motivator: is — “I like money” … heading for politics?

    Gatherings were so much easier when everyone had Sunday’s off … how come the religious right pursue women’s human’s rights in the USofA … but not the sacrosanct Sabbath! Even their god had a day off! Hypocrites!

    Religious right = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ … control and power … and speaking of Islam …

    Evening, MN …. 😎

  156. June 25, 2022 6:27 pm

    Evening TB. Albo has certainly upset the ‘crossbench’ (including the Teals) by cutting parliamentary support staffers from 4 to 1 per member. Massive reduction.

    Possibly just an ambit claim.

  157. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 25, 2022 8:23 pm

    Gatherings were so much easier when everyone had Sunday’s off

    That reminds me of the story i read why penalty rates were brought in back in early Australia when people were more religious and nobody claimed to be an atheist. Penalty rates were brought in to make people stay at home on Sunday and spend time with the family.

    The idea was to penalise any business who employed people on Sunday. The penalty was to force business to pay double or triple time if they opened on the Sabbath. The idea was working 6 days/week was enough and fathers should spend time with their family on the Sabbath

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    June 25, 2022 9:54 pm

    Possibly just an ambit claim.

    Agree … only discussing that this morning.

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 26, 2022 12:51 pm

    Let’s hope it isn’t an ambit
    Simon Holmes à Court can kick in

  160. June 26, 2022 1:59 pm

    Isn’t just the dollars (which can be substantial when flights, allowances, accommodation etc are included) but what is urgently needed is clarifying the roles and responsibilities of staffers. Glyn Davis, the incoming head of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, is well aware of such issues.

    Staffers are accountable (only) to Ministers, MPs etc who appoint/employ them but not to the Parliament in which they work. Yet they are in a very powerful position(s) with access to Departments, Media and the like. Their ‘bosses’ like it that way because responsibility/accountability tends to evaporate so the ‘staffers’ can make much mischief while flying below the radar.

    Wouldn’t be surprised if an Inquiry headed by Terry Moran was commissioned.

    But there are so many on the cross-bench, desperate to make a name for themselves so they don’t become ‘one term wonders’. While MPs been promised official assistance, that’s not new. It’s Parliamentary Counsel who formulate the Bills anyway. By slashing the ranks of the grenade throwers (read staffers) the government Ministers have a much quieter life.

    Interesting times. High stakes on the table. Compromises a necessity.

  161. June 26, 2022 3:07 pm

    Interesting to view the ‘history’ of public financing of ‘staffers’.

    In the context of minority government in 2010, crossbenchers in the House of Representatives were entitled to two personal staff and those in the Senate to one. In 2013 this was reversed when the Abbot government achieved a majority in the lower house.

    In 2016, when the Turnbull government had a majority of only one in the lower house crossbenchers in both houses were allocated funding for three personal staff. This was negotiated up to four after the 2019 election.

    Seems the definition of “good government” and its “needs” are in a state of flux.

    But wait – there’s more.

    … funding of staff under the MOP(S) Act is an incumbency benefit, skewing electoral competition in favour of incumbents. The incumbency benefit is particularly clear in the federal context where the use of such staff for electoral campaigning purposes is normalised and in accordance with the rules set out in the Parliamentary Business Resources Act of 2017 and associated determinations

    As argued, Members of Parliament are there to make the rules, not to obey same. It’s a hard life!

  162. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 26, 2022 3:11 pm

    Each of the Teals has thousands of volunteers, and a rich benefactor.
    Volunteer researchers sounds efficient

  163. June 26, 2022 3:48 pm

    Re:

    Volunteer researchers sounds efficient

    As does volunteer lawyers . But amateurish.

    It’s effectiveness that’s needed. And for the Tealers, with their (professional) backgrounds, it’s outcomes rather than intentions that will become important.

    Imagine organisations like The Australia Institute becoming more influential.

  164. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 26, 2022 4:08 pm

    The Teals have a significant organisation behind them and a rich benefactor/financier
    They are as well resoured as a political party. They don’t need more staff than any other backbencher

  165. June 26, 2022 5:11 pm

    So the Tealers are a political party? And your definition of a political party is?

    Seems to me that the Tealers can’t afford to be seen as a ‘political party’. Yes, individually, they chose what might be labelled the high moral ground on issues such as climate change and integrity in government but their appeal is rooted in their claims to be independents . They’ll do well to protect that image at all costs.

    When it comes to staffing they’ll be united but they will also join with Lambie and others out of pure self interest. Agreement on a particular issue or even several issues does not a political party make. Wait for the division(s) on matters of philosophical principle . There will be disagreements that they (currently) can’t even imagine and there will be no mechanism to hold it all together. No discipline. No structures. Like trying to herd feral cats.

    Lots of egos in play.

  166. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 26, 2022 5:35 pm

    * The same major financial backer
    * Identical branding and marketing strategy
    * Common advisory structure
    * The same political strategy and talking points
    * A political party without any leadership

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    June 26, 2022 6:18 pm

    Careful, MN, here come the * points

    ToM, have you forgotten how to apply bullet points – I trained you years ago!

    • • • • • •

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    June 26, 2022 6:24 pm

    BTW, ToM, have you researched ereaders yet?

    Avoid Kindle … I’d recommend, Kobo, don’t be fooled with the name its a Canadian product … and very good …

    I’d recommend Sony (I’ve had my Sony PST1 for over 15 years and still going strong … but sadly stopped producing after PST 3)

    Apologies — OT — just joking … this blog is always off topic …

    I’ve been waiting for a comment concerning the US Supreme court decision to overturn Roe v Wade.

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    June 26, 2022 6:27 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/26/australian-taxation-office-crackdown-on-family-trust-rorts-causes-alarm-among-tax-advisers

    Lets hope they have really caught up — finally … a very catlick family member played this game …

  170. ivi permalink
    June 26, 2022 9:05 pm

    (As does volunteer lawyers . But amateurish.

    Dunno; an average observer(-participant) of ozpolitics might have gleaned something from the JL(N) experience.)

  171. June 26, 2022 10:17 pm

    To be expected that members of parliament don’t really (initially) understand particular legislation and the full implications, that why they should (and will) consult parliamentary counsel . Ministers et al don’t write legislation. That’s beyond their pay grade. Ministers convey what they (initially) want to departmental officers who then do the preliminary work. Early drafts for discussion and all that.

    Final draft(s) are written by parliamentary counsel who ensure that the proposed legislation doesn’t contradict existing statutes etc. That the Bill reflects the government’s wishes and is ‘technically’ correct. That service (including proposed amendments. questions, clarifications etc) is available to all parliamentary members.

    But this debate isn’t really about whether they can be good legislators or not. No this is about whether they have the resources to be effective politicians (or not) because that’s where their future resides.

    Never heard it said – “Oh I must vote for X because he/she is a good legislator.”

  172. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 27, 2022 7:05 am

    “So do you agree or disagree with carrying firearms in public …”

    So do you agree or disagree with the rule of law?

    Should the DoJ be able to decide to enforce a law the Supreme Court has struck down? The Supreme Court has the last say on the validity of a law, not the Deep State.

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2022 8:37 am

    So do you agree or disagree with the rule of law?

    You’re dodging my question with another … which BTW has nothing to do with legality …

    … you often have an opinion on other matters within the sphere of “the rule of law” …

    So, do you agree, or disagree, with carrying firearms in public …??

  174. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 27, 2022 9:42 am

    “You’re dodging my question”

    Not at all. Happy to get to your question when you address the issue I initially raised which is about the rule of law.

    There are a range of views on this matter. I’m interested in yours.

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2022 1:00 pm

    Now this is something – the Department of Justice respectfully disagrees with the Supreme Court. Looks like the Deep State is having a hissy fit.

    Your “original” comment … was not about the rule of law at all … so I ask politely …

    “So do you agree or disagree with carrying firearms in public …”

    A simple yes, or, no will suffice.

  176. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 27, 2022 1:09 pm

    “was not about the rule of law at all “

    It was precisely about the rule of law. Under the rule of law, the Supreme Court ultimately determines the validity of a law. Whether the DoJ disagrees with a Supreme Court ruling, respectfully or otherwise, the DoJ’s role is to enforce valid laws and not try to enforce invalid laws.

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