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Peter Dutton enjoys Comfortable Lead over the ‘Margin of Error’ in Shock New Voter Poll!

August 24, 2022

A new poll has found that Federal Opposition Leader Peter Dutton retains a comfortable lead over the ‘margin of error’ in a new poll published in The Age this week at 17% to 3%.

The Resolve Strategic poll also found that the popular leader, renowned for his happy-go-lucky disposition and quirky sense of humour, was only 11 percentage points behind those voters who couldn’t make up their minds, or didn’t know who he was.

It appears that voters have abandoned the Coalition in their droves, with primary support for the Coalition falling from 36% to 28% since the election.

Labor has taken the lead on key measures that the Coalition traditionally polls stronger on.

The governing party now leads by 9% on economic management — before the election the Coalition held a 10% lead in the same Resolve survey.

The Coalition was also 15% ahead on national security but Labor now leads by 4%.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has also extended his lead as preferred prime minister over Opposition Leader Peter Dutton by 55% to 17%.

Fun Fact:

After 6 months as Liberal Opposition Leader, Alexander Downer’s approval rating plunged from 53% to 34%, and his leadership was over.

After only 3 months, Peter Dutton is already down to 17%. That’s twice as bad as Downer, in half the time.

432 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2022 12:14 pm

    Who would have thought that actively supporting a dictator would have negative effects?

    Also, the graph looks inaccurate due its accuracy. This is an Australian political pie graph after all. We have standards! 😉

  2. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2022 12:30 pm

    Looks like Australia has turned to the really dark side. Once again.

    We were debt free in 2007. Australia voted LABOR in 2007 and now we have $1T of govt debt.

    Who would have thunk it?

  3. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2022 12:40 pm

    This gets murkier and murkier. It looks like he planned for this take over from the time he got the keys

    Scott Morrison and/or his officials prepared the way for the Prime Minister or a Minister to secretly administer a government department in August 2018, just four days after Morrison took power after disposing of Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull.

    https://johnmenadue.com/moves-began-in-2018-for-morrisons-secret-government/

  4. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2022 1:00 pm

    TomR

    Labor destroyed our car industry last time in power.

    What do you think ALP will destroy this time???

  5. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2022 1:15 pm

    What do you think ALP will destroy this time???

    The remnants of what you call your mind? 🙂

  6. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2022 1:16 pm

    Yes Friendly, a Federal ICAC WILL be exciting 🙂

  7. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2022 1:23 pm

    TomR

    Honest question?

    What do you think Labor will destroy this time. What industry we have now will not exist in 3 years time?

    I do not know. But coal and gas are things Labor wants to get rid of. Plus people like me. Labor would lock me up if they could.

  8. August 24, 2022 1:42 pm

    Not questioning the accuracy of the poll, but it’s powerful evidence that deep ideological commitment is sadly lacking.

  9. August 24, 2022 1:54 pm

    Re:

    Labor would lock me up if they could.

    NO! When you’re out and about, you’re worth lots of votes.

  10. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2022 1:58 pm

    The world is just cooked.

  11. August 24, 2022 2:32 pm

    “The remnants of what you call your mind?”

    😆

  12. August 24, 2022 2:38 pm

    “I do not know. But coal and gas are things Labor wants to get rid of.”

    Interesting theory. How do you think they are planning to get rid of them, maybe by blowing them up, or something like that…?

  13. August 24, 2022 2:49 pm

    “Plus people like me. Labor would lock me up if they could.”

    In all sincerity, I think you’ll find that’ll be mainly those in the medical fraternity who may be concerned about the fragile state of your mental health.

    I’m not sure you’re even on Labor’s radar, to be honest.

    But you never know…

    They could be listening in on this conversation right now…

    Did I just think that..

    Or say it out loud..?

    Did they hear me…??

  14. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2022 2:50 pm

    maybe by blowing them up, or something like that…?

    By … selling them it appears? 😆

    https://www.industry.gov.au/data-and-publications/2022-offshore-petroleum-exploration-acreage-release

  15. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2022 2:53 pm

    Did they hear me…??

    No, we didn’t

    ……….

    wait

    …….

    Did I just think that..

    Or say it out loud..?

  16. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2022 2:55 pm

    How do you think they are planning to get rid of them, maybe by blowing them up, or something like that…

    That is what happened in South Australia

    https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/db70a2ba61a5a35d5f4b840a8685ec96

    That was the coal fired Playford Power Station being blown up.

  17. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2022 4:00 pm

    Windmills and solar farms are a wank for the woke. They are monstrosities despoiling the countryside and will lay there rotting and useless long after they have ceased to function. They enrich China (and grifting investment bankers) and impoverish Australians, many of whom can no longer afford to heat their homes.

    Building a green substitute for baseload power should be the priority now. Without that the whole green energy push will be little more than a few spurts of joy on the contorted faces of the wacky weather warriors.

  18. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2022 4:16 pm

    They are monstrosities despoiling the countryside and will lay there rotting and useless long after they have ceased to function.

    yea

    https://theconversation.com/disused-mines-blight-new-south-wales-yet-the-approvals-continue-39059

  19. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2022 4:41 pm

    So where is that green baseload power going to come from, Tom R?

    If we’d started building nuclear power stations in the nineties there would be no issue now.

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2022 4:48 pm

    Fucking hilarious! And the Walls Came Tumbling Down!

    “If he’s acknowledging that he’s in possession of documents that would have any colorable claim of executive privilege, those are by definition presidential records and belong at the National Archives,” said Asha Rangappa, a former FBI agent and former associate dean at Yale Law School.

    “And so it’s not clear that executive privilege would even be relevant to the particular crime he’s being investigated for and yet in this filing, he basically admits that he is in possession of them, which is what the government is trying to establish,” Rangappa said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/23/trump-illegal-documents-fbi-mar-a-lago

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2022 4:55 pm

    If we’d started building nuclear power stations in the nineties there would be no issue now.

    Say wot? 😲

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_and_incidents

    This where it all ends up …

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2022 5:25 pm

    Queensland state budget funds battery storage build-out ‘blitz’

    https://www.energy-storage.news/queensland-state-budget-funds-battery-storage-buildout-blitz/

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2022 6:33 pm

    Luckily I live in Australia … not the good ‘ole USofA … a place where I found the people interesting and friendly, intelligent but naive …

    https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/nuclear-power-stations-are-not-appropriate-for-australia-and-probably-never-will-be/

  24. August 24, 2022 6:43 pm

    Success in politics is as much about ‘trying’ as ‘succeeding’. And that applies to going ‘green’ as well.

    Lots of nonsense about the short timelines of transiting to electric cars. But again political actors must be seen to ‘try’.

    Fairly sure that most of the punters can’t handle any objective reality. And politicians know it. (Try – who owns the money that politicians spend?)

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2022 7:09 pm

    4.5Kw solar system …. solar hot water system (first lasted 25years) … haven’t paid a electricity bill for ten years!

    All I need now is a battery … and prices are tumbling …

    If it can be done domestically it can be done industrially … from manpower to horses, to WIND sails and water wheels to steam engines, to diesel to turbines, from coal to solar/wind/battery — its called progress … nuclear is regressive … in so many ways!

  26. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2022 8:42 pm

    By … selling them it appears? 😆

    TomR

    I never thought you would be anti-LABOR. But you are right for once.

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/federal-government-opens-46-000-sq-km-for-offshore-oil-and-gas-exploration/ar-AA111T0V?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=bbcc71f946404e29dd81e52d906e5b94

    The federal government will allow the oil and gas industry to explore new offshore sites covering 46,758 square kilometres of Commonwealth waters.

    In a video address to the NT Resources Week conference in Darwin, Resources Minister Madeleine King said the release comprised of 10 areas across the Bonaparte, Browse, Carnarvon, and Gippsland basins…….”Labor likes to talk big on climate, but when it really matters they’ll do exactly what their fossil fuel donors demand,” Greens Senator Peter Whish-Wilson tweeted.

    LABOR anti fossil fuels in Opposition but digging for oil and gas when in govt.

  27. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2022 9:31 pm

    So where is that green baseload power going to come from

    From the wind, the sun, the water, the tides, the batteries.

    Baseload is antiquated, time to move into the 20th century 😉

    “No single one does all the job… You probably need a mix of hydro, which may include off-river pumped hydro, and possibly open-cycle-gas turbines,” he says.

    “For those of us who work in the field, this is very straightforward now. But the barriers aren’t primarily technological.”

    Professor Blakers agrees. He says that Australia’s energy future lies in solar and wind, with pumped hydro as a balancing source.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-10-12/renewable-energy-baseload-power/9033336

  28. August 24, 2022 10:02 pm

    Perhaps baseload can’t come (reliably) from renewables all the time, at least with the current technology? Therefore, isn’t there the real danger that the good might be sacrificed because the perfect is not yet attainable?

    Or is it the case that there’s another agenda at work? Like – climate change is just bullshit anyway?

    In similar vein is the emerging ideological line of – “Let’s develop small nuclear reactors – which will only take a decade or so and in the meantime let’s carry on as normal.” (In other words – keep mining fossil fuels.)

    Lots of males fides at work? Or is that being unkind?

  29. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2022 10:04 pm

    Tom R

    Did you read my link?? The deceitful ALP is at it again

    The federal government will allow the oil and gas industry to explore new offshore sites covering 46,758 square kilometres of Commonwealth waters.

    The deceitful ALP says one thing in Opposition but a different thing in govt

  30. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2022 10:50 pm

    OK. Then what is the ALPs position on coal and gas mining? I thought ALP/Greens were against it? I would think most aussies would say the same.

  31. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2022 8:31 am

    The Trump Warrant Had No Legal Basis

  32. August 25, 2022 8:58 am

    Enough is enough. The ABC is hopelessly compromised and by an organisation that most Australian citizens probably haven’t heard of.

    As a nation that “guards” its sovereignty, Australians would be aghast to learn of a foreign influence operation that brings together leading politicians, government officials, journalists, and business executives from Australia and China for secretive annual talks. But that is what we have with America.

    The organisation is named the Australian American Leadership Dialogue (AALD). As Paul Keating noted:

    AALD is a sort of a cult thing that’s gone on for years and I don’t know what the Americans put in the drinking water.

    Attending the recent meeting was Richard Marles, Australia’s Defence Minister, Peter Dutton, former Defence Minister. (Little wonder that they are forever in furious agreement). It involves leading politicians from both countries’ two major parties, government officials, journalists, and business executives, who attend by invitation only.

    It receives little publicity in proportion to the political firepower it attracts, and its attendees strictly observe its non-disclosures rules, as evidenced by the fact there has been very few leaks in its 30-year history.

    Also in attendance was Michael Rowland from the ABC who took centre stage at one point. And he keeps that below the radar.

    More evidence that we are the 51st State but without any real power. It’s also further evidence that when it comes to foreign policy we effectively a one party State.

    https://johnmenadue.com/exposed-secretive-annual-talks-influence-australian-foreign-policy/

  33. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2022 9:26 am

    It really is looking like Labor won’t have any time to Govern. too much cleaning up to do.

  34. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2022 9:27 am

    It’s also further evidence that when it comes to foreign policy we effectively a one party State.

    The ALP learnt the hard way through the Whitlam experiment that you don’t say no to our overlords. 😦

  35. August 25, 2022 9:48 am

    And while on the matter of foreign policy disasters. Interestingly. Mearsheimer from the Right and Sachs from the Left (ideological locations on the spectrum are all relatively speaking) agree as to the history.

    The war in Ukraine is the culmination of a 30-year project of the American neoconservative movement. The Biden Administration is packed with the same neocons who championed the US wars of choice in Serbia (1999), Afghanistan (2001), Iraq (2003), Syria (2011), Libya (2011), and who did so much to provoke Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

    The neocon track record is one of unmitigated disaster, yet Biden has staffed his team with neocons. As a result, Biden is steering Ukraine, the US, and the European Union towards yet another geopolitical debacle. If Europe has any insight, it will separate itself from these US foreign policy debacles.

    Now Australia is in this as well. Then there’s our irrational fear of China. Did you know that in Australia, the citizens have a greater fear of a Chinese invasion than do the people of Taiwan?

    But perhaps we have no choice? Certainly a sad, sad state of affairs.

    … wife Victoria Nuland was the US Ambassador to NATO under George W. Bush, Jr. Nuland has been the neocon operative par excellence. In addition to serving as Bush’s Ambassador to NATO, Nuland was Barack Obama’s Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs during 2013-17, where she participated in the overthrow of Ukraine’s pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych, and now serves as Biden’s Undersecretary of State guiding US policy vis-à-vis the war in Ukraine

    And the defence contractors (hello Bendigo) are loving every minute of it.

    https://www.other-news.info/ukraine-is-the-latest-neocon-disaster/

  36. August 25, 2022 9:51 am

    Tom R – re Whitlam and his ‘problems’. Was very much the doubter at the time, but NOT now.

  37. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2022 9:52 am

    lol

  38. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2022 10:28 am

    Was very much the doubter at the time, but NOT now.

    Yes, and, more people need to know too

  39. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2022 11:28 am

    4.5Kw solar system …. solar hot water system (first lasted 25years) … haven’t paid a electricity bill for ten years!

    All I need now is a battery … and prices are tumbling …

    TB

    I have a relative who lives off the grid. It cost him $30,000 to install his solar system. I think the main cost was the batteries needed to run the fridge, 24/7, washing machine, lights etc.

    I guess you get a govt rebate and i have heard you can put electricity back into the coal fired electricity system. But renewables are not that clean. Toxic chemicals are used the the batteries and solar panels.

  40. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2022 11:47 am

    Paedophiles love it:

  41. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2022 12:14 pm

    Paedophiles love it:

    So … the ‘libsoftiktok’ decide to propagate it for ..?

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2022 12:52 pm

    Mmmmm … 😠

  43. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2022 1:35 pm

    …. just so we can be clear about what is actually happening. It’s like holding up a mirror.

  44. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2022 2:09 pm

    just so we can be clear about what is actually happening

    A kid wants to dress up, and some creeps want to propagate the image and attract Paedophiles (is that what is actually happening)?

  45. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2022 2:12 pm

    Good!

  46. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2022 2:49 pm

    “A kid wants to dress up, and some creeps want to propagate the image and attract Paedophiles (is that what is actually happening)?”

    No. Although this is testing your trolling skills, isn’t it?

    It’s not the “dress up” but the fact that the child is being sexualised for the benefit of a perverts. There is a creep in the background of the pic leering at the child with a folded note in his hand. I trust its not you?

  47. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2022 2:50 pm

    Robodebt was an abomination. I hope the perps are jailed.

  48. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2022 3:25 pm

    There is a creep in the background of the pic leering at the child with a folded note in his hand.

    Are you sure it’s not the parent playing along with the charade?

    I mean, are we sure this is a kid?

  49. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2022 3:38 pm

    Believe whatever you like! I wouldn’t let him near my kids or grandkids.

  50. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2022 4:40 pm

    Believe whatever you like!

    yea, you believe people who are distributing, as you put it, child porn 😉

  51. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2022 6:04 pm

    Robodebt was an abomination. I hope the perps are jailed.

    If the govt brings in what they think should be a good idea but turns into a disaster what should the punishment be? I guess it would depend on the level of knowledge. But if you jail pollies for a bad idea we would have nobody in Parliament.

  52. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    August 25, 2022 6:05 pm

    I assume you find this ‘child porn’ equally abhorrent…??

  53. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    August 25, 2022 6:07 pm

    “I mean, are we sure this is a kid?”

    Looks more like a teenager to me, but then what would I know…

  54. August 25, 2022 6:52 pm

    From Michael West:

    “Qantas has posted a loss of $860 million for the 2021-22 financial year bringing total losses under the reign of chief executive Alan Joyce to nearly $3 billion since the 2009 financial year.

    In the same period he has been given a salary of $104 million plus this year’s (yet to be announced) salary, including a ‘‘deferred bonus’’ of $3.7 million.”

    In some circles – it’s called “Merit Pay”.

  55. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2022 8:38 am

    “I assume you find this ‘child porn’ equally abhorrent…??”

    I think the whole child pageant thing disgusting.

    “Looks more like a teenager to me,”

    Tell it to the judge 😉

    To be clear, I’m not blaming the kids. Just the groomers and perverts who show up with their cash to leer at the fresh young flesh.

  56. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2022 9:28 am

    Just the groomers and perverts who show up with their cash to leer at the fresh young flesh.

    If you want believe the implication they want to imply that is, rather than what the reality is, which is really anyones guess

    But hey, be afraid, kids in dress up are cumin to get ya!

  57. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2022 9:47 am

    “kids in dress up are cumin to get ya!”

    Looks like they got your full attention and then some, Tom R. Take a cold shower!

  58. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2022 10:21 am

    Looks like they got your full attention

    Actually, it was your stupid that got my attention. 😉

  59. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2022 10:35 am

    the little weed thanks Australia for the help, in his own way

  60. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2022 10:44 am

    “But if you jail pollies for a bad idea we would have nobody in Parliament.”

    1. Jailing politicians is not the worst idea. Most of them probably deserve it.

    2. Robodebt was more than a bad idea. It was a way of deliberately not applying the law. The system did not attempt to make the calculation required by statute to decide whether money was owed.

    3. Instead it used a system of averaging which is not how the law works. It then threatened young poor vulnerable people with legal proceedings if they did not immediately pay up.

    4. Many were struggling to make rent, feeling the pressure of exams and dealing with an overbearing bureaucracy and with legal demands for thousands of dollars they did not have and did not owe.

    5. The government illegality and deep dishonesty caused innocent citizens to suffer mental anguish, depression and in some cases suicide.

    6. Those mongrels who made the decisions to implement this illegal system should be locked up.

    7. To be clear, I’m talking about the version of Robodebt introduced by the Coalition government.

  61. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2022 10:56 am

    To be clear, I’m talking about the version of Robodebt introduced by the Coalition government.

    And for the slower ones (looks at nil) there was no Robodebt before the libs externalized an internal averaging tool and used that, and that alone, to threaten people with jail.

  62. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2022 10:58 am

    btw Splats, a very concise breakdown of the multiple steps of failures/decisions that led to this. Perhaps present that the Royal Commission (and the little media simps like waleed aly who are currently running the shield for the crooks)

  63. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2022 11:29 am

    I went through it all helping the daughter of a friend. She was trying to make her way in the world living out of home, working to support her self and carrying a full time load at uni. She had also had had depression issues as many young people do.

    Just prior to her final exams she was hit with a demand for $11k which she did not have and did not owe. The law deemed this to be a debt which is payable now and you can argue the toss later. This cause immense mental anguish.

    The matter was eventually resolved in her favour – she owed nothing. Also she got through her exams but might have done better if she didn’t have to devote large chunks of time to trying to get records from a former employer and present them to the authorities who should have worked all this out before harassing an innocent citizen.

    We didn’t have to go to court because by that stage there was enough public pressure to make the arrogant cunts start to listen to people. When they did they found no money was owing.

    I was there only to help with the correspondence and getting the evidence together and I felt the pressure. I am still angry that this person was treated this way. It was truly Kafakesque.

    There are many more young people in similar situations who did not have the support of family and friends who did it tougher.

    Morrison, Tudge, Porter and the senior bureaucrats involved in the creation and enforcement of the system should be jailed.

  64. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2022 11:40 am

    Data matching between the ATO and Centrelink was computerised by Shorten/ALP in 2011 to help in debt recovery.

    In 2016 the Coalition brought in a new computer method to determine income which turned out to be a disaster. In a world being run by computers more and more it would have happened no matter who was in govt. It most probably sounded like a good idea at the time. I doubt it was a Coalition idea. Some bureaucrat came up with it and the govt of the day went along with it.

    Life is trial and error. If you jail govt MPs for mistakes we would have nobody in govt.

  65. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2022 11:41 am

    I was there only to help with the correspondence and getting the evidence together and I felt the pressure.

    That to me was the most devastating part of the process. People with knowledge and skills directly in that area found the process difficult and frustrating. So you could image the stress for people without those skills, and who were constantly applied pressure. And the pressure was huge, with demands with threats of jail and often no receipts to fall back on. Even centrelink had no record of transactions. It was truly evil, and it all lies at the feet of morrison.

    In my view, we don’t just need to get to the bottom, but also for those who inflicted this on people need to pay a cost, in the same manner as they threatened their victims with

  66. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2022 11:53 am

    In 2016 the Coalition brought in a new computer method to determine income which turned out to be a disaster

    No nil, they used the same one, which was never supposed to be used alone. It was merely an internal tool used to narrow down the search not to be used solely as the search.

  67. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2022 12:14 pm

    What they did was not a “mistake”. It was deliberate, it was illegal and did immense harm to innocent victims.

  68. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2022 12:55 pm

    Not a mistake? How do you know? And how did the Public Service allow the govt of the day to bring in something illegal? If anyone should lose their job it should be someone in the Public Service.

    And why is income averaging illegal?

    But this world is being run by computers more and more. Who knows what is next. Perhaps voting for elections by computer at home?

  69. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2022 1:02 pm

    More for nil. Data Matching has been around for decades, it’s nothing new. Using it stupidly is

  70. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2022 1:35 pm

    TomR

    This is what i said up the page

    In 2016 the Coalition brought in a new computer method to determine income which turned out to be a disaster. In a world being run by computers more and more it would have happened no matter who was in govt. It most probably sounded like a good idea at the time. I doubt it was a Coalition idea.
    Some bureaucrat came up with it and the govt of the day went along with it.

  71. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2022 2:15 pm

    In a world being run by computers more and more it would have happened no matter who was in govt.

    No, because, as said, multiple times, Labor were using the algorithm, just as a data matching tool, from which they then went through, manually, to determine if people had debts or not. The libs used the same tool, and just assumed they people had debts, and put the onus on the people. Against warnings from Bill Shorten (among others)

    I doubt it was a Coalition idea.
    It was dreamed up while morrison was Minister of the portfolio, although, not implemented until he had moved on. Almost every evil, dick move made by the libs has his slimy little fingerprints on it. He needs to be held to account, for all of them

  72. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2022 2:16 pm

    “And why is income averaging illegal?”

    Because there is no legal basis for calculating earnings of students by averaging. A deliberate decision was made to demand money from people without bothering to do the calculations required by the legislation to see if that money was owing. That deliberate decision was not a mistake.

    The senior public servants who administered the system should be jailed as well as the politicians who are ultimately responsible.

    The Coalition has a history of enabling public servants to behave inhumanely. Once given permission, ordinary people are capable of horrible behaviour. Ministers are there to provide leadership encourage good behaviour, not unconscionable behaviour.

  73. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2022 2:44 pm

    The Coalition has a history of enabling public servants to behave inhumanely.

    With some luck, a Royal Commission will address this

  74. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 26, 2022 2:45 pm

    The pursuit of happiness:

  75. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2022 3:14 pm

    The pursuit of happiness

    It always amazed me how the movie The pursuit of happiness was basically telling people to be the mouse. It was a perverse message, imo.

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2022 3:16 pm

    Mmmmmm … 🙄

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2022 3:17 pm

    … always “amazed”…

    I saw what you did there. 🐭

  78. Tom R permalink
    August 26, 2022 3:55 pm

  79. August 26, 2022 4:38 pm

    To whom do public servants report? The short answer is – it’s forever changing.. In some States, it’s the Minister who hires and fires. In others it’s the Premier who has the whip hand.

    Increasingly, it’s the ‘top dog’ (the Premier or the Prime Minister) who rules the day. They argue that public servants serve the public through them and the notion that public servants serve the public ‘directly’ is an anachronism.

    Suspect that Glyn Davis (Head of PM&C) will want to clarify that in his reign – along with the accountability of currently ‘unaccountable’ ministerial staffers.

    Lots of former Public Servant CEOs chaffing at the bit to Chair that necessary task. Be interested to see if they persist with ‘performance pay’ which is but another undesirable trend imported from the USA.

  80. August 26, 2022 5:06 pm

    So:

    Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus said the inquiry was necessary for democracy.

    Sounds good. Democracy always does. Nevertheless, be interesting to see the Terms of Reference to check for the unexamined assumptions. You know – the ‘common sense’ understandings that aren’t.

    Bet they don’t offer a root and branch analysis of the meanings that might be given to ‘democracy’. Suspect the report will simply glide over that issue by making some glib reference to the Westminister System. Because EVERYONE knows what it is and that it’s perfect.

    As for this Inquiry (or any Inquiry) being non-political. Hilarious! Politics (by definition) is about the exercise of power and this is just that.

    Whether it is non-partisan political or not? Suspect it must tend that way. Remember Inquiries into ‘pink-bats’ etc commissioned by Abbott which involved trashing conventions (yes the LNP has form) via the early release of Cabinet documents?

    Depends on whether Albo is a good ‘hater’ or not. Rudd wasn’t. One of his greatest weaknesses.

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    August 26, 2022 6:15 pm

    They argue that public servants serve the public …

    I’ve in the middle of that BBQ argument … people don’t always understand PS role … and often people confuse PS with “government employee” they think its a blanket phrase …

    Be interested to see if they persist with ‘performance pay’ …

    In my limited experience performance pay is a nonsense in both private an public employment … who sets KPI’s (another concept often abused by incompetent “management”).

  82. August 26, 2022 7:14 pm

    TB re ‘performance pay’. Imagine if they put the medical profession on performance pay? If the patient lives – you get $x but if the patient dies the doctor gets nought? What about lawyers? Dentists? Want them to choose who they will ‘treat’, ‘represent’?

    Before retirement, it was under consideration in Queensland. The LNP introduced it. Labor has abandoned it. (I think. Been a long time.)

    NSW is now talking about IT (some version or merit pay – payment for results?) for teachers. The outcome will see teachers wanting to ‘select’ who is to be in their class and wanting to ‘jettison’ poor performers. After, all that’s what football coaches do – isn’t it?

    Forget that some people are actually ‘inner directed’. That is, they try their best because it’s both the Right and Good thing to do. In some circles, it’s called being ‘professional’ and in some instances it’s guided by a Code of Ethics.

    (Just imagine if Ethics ruled in politics – not only at the “Verbal level” (what they say) but also at the “Lived level” (what they actually do – how they behave). But it isn’t going to happen.

  83. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2022 7:58 pm

    The senior public servants who administered the system should be jailed as well as the politicians who are ultimately responsible.

    Actually i do not know enough to comment but you seem to. But i do know that ALP/Greens supporters mislead and deceive people.

    I suspect the new method to determine income was thought up by some bureaucrat and the govt of the day just went along with it. It most probably sounded like a good idea but ended up a disaster

    PS TomR- what the Coalition did was introduce a new computer method to determine income which was against the law. Hence the court case. If it was just bad policy nothing would have happened.

  84. August 26, 2022 9:31 pm

    Re – ” new method to determine income was thought up by some bureaucrat”

    Really? Some ‘bureaucrat’? Where is your evidence? Or is that your (usual) unexamined assuming at work?

    While I don’t know, perhaps, because the (new) method in question was based on detailed computer programming, it might have come from an outside ‘consultancy’? Perhaps an entity with claimed computer expertise? (And a donor?)

    What is widely known, is that the previous government had a penchant for ‘outsourcing’. Check the financial figures. It’s an area that Labor has identified as an area for considerable budgetary savings.

    Further Morrison was adamant. The public service was there to IMPLEMENT government policy and NOT to advise.

    So, surely, the government didn’t just go along. Besides, Ministers MUST accept responsibility for decisions made. It’s at the heart of the Westminster System, isn’t it? Lol.

  85. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2022 10:00 pm

    Really? Some ‘bureaucrat’? Where is your evidence?

    I have no evidence but our current bunch of Politicians are not that smart. They would just go along with Public Service advice. That is what they did during the pandemic.

  86. August 26, 2022 10:25 pm

    Re:

    current bunch of Politicians are not that smart. They would just go along with Public Service advice

    A few points. Morrison was adamant that they shouldn’t go along with public service advice. Look above. Remember the Public Service was there to IMPLEMENT and not to ADVISE.

    But perhaps Morrison can use that bit about his politicians not being that smart as a rationale as to why he, himself, had to be sworn in to so many portfolios.

    So give Scott a ring. He’s desperate at the moment. He’s looking for another miracle and you may be his biblical Saviour.

  87. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 26, 2022 10:50 pm

    MN

    So during the current pandemic politicians both State and Federal told the health bureaucrats what to do? It would have been the other way around

  88. August 27, 2022 9:21 am

    Re:

    politicians both State and Federal told the health bureaucrats what to do?

    What they did do is somewhat irrelevant because we shouldn’t be in the business of excusing them of not knowing what their job ought to be. What is important in the Westminster System is that the Minister is the accountable/responsible officer for a Department(s). No ifs or buts.

    The Minister may (or may not) take advice from officers/public servants within the department or from elsewhere. Ministers don’t even have to take advice. The Minister and the Minister alone is in the metaphorical Chair. If they don’t like it – then resign.

    Wise Ministers take advice. They are not experts at anything (apart from politics). While the advice might be the best available, that doesn’t excuse the Minister from responsibility.

    During the pandemic, Ministers hid behind the experts (those with medical qualifications) and the media let them get away with it. Certainly, Ministers should have taken medical advice because (in certain matters – like medicine) it’s the best advice available. But it’s not truth (as the course of the pandemic revealed). Science doesn’t give us truth. In science everything’s ‘tentative’.

    But (and it’s a big BUT) taking that advice doesn’t excuse them of their responsibility.

    Perhaps you will have some questions?

  89. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2022 6:24 pm

    MN

    Did you know that the Public Service told Peter Costello that the govt installing roof insulation would be a good policy to help with climate change and reduce peoples electricity bills?? Costello told the Public Service to go jump. He told them the govt has no expertise in putting in pink batts

    When the GFC happened the Public Service had another go. They told Rudd/Swan installing roof insulation would be a good stimulus program. The ALP govt went for it

    Not sure what we were talking about but you are right. The Minister has the final responsibility

  90. August 27, 2022 6:58 pm

    Re – “the govt has no expertise in putting in pink batts”

    Correct! That’s why the government outsourced it to ‘private contractors’. That’s where the problem occurred. In the private sector.

    Inquiries underway will, in all probability, identify a number of weaknesses in the public service (which have been known about for many years). First is a lack of ‘research’ capacity which leads to deficiencies in the policy making process. Second is a lack of expertise in evaluating and supervising ‘outsourcing’.

    As for differences between the reactions of Costello and Swan. First – they were Treasurers in different times. Swan was prepared to spend and spend to keep the economy moving. Economists will tell you it’s much cheaper in the longer term to keep an economy moving as opposed to trying to resurrect same. Second, their political support comes from different ‘classes’.

    That advice to spend, spend was given to Morrison. The issue then becomes what to spend it on, Labour or Capital (Workers or business)? And we know the decision Morrison made.

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    August 27, 2022 7:06 pm

    Correct! That’s why the government outsourced it to ‘private contractors’. That’s where the problem occurred. In the private sector.

    Correct! And the State governments are responsible for Health and Safety legislation and control in their states …

    However the Minister Responsible in this case was the Honourable Peter Garret for the “program” …

    The “government” didn’t fail … greedy contractors employing untrained subs and workers were … a Labor government should have been conscious of competency based learning by then.

    Costello was just a lazy shite!

  92. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2022 7:08 pm

    Swan was prepared to spend and spend to keep the economy moving.

    And Costello would have disagreed. We now have a $1T of govt debt with nothing to show for that $1T. And furthermore we have interest rates rises coming

    That’s where the problem occurred. In the private sector.

    Wrong. Greedy people moved in

  93. August 27, 2022 7:41 pm

    Re – “And Costello would have disagreed”

    Sorry, but you don’t know that. You don’t know what advice Treasury would have given in changed circumstances – do you?

  94. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2022 8:05 pm

    Costello was just a lazy shite!

    You dishonest prick. Why bring Costello into it? Costello was smart enough to know what would happen. So when the Socialist Public Service approached him to put pink batts into ceilings as a climate change policy to reduce electricity bills he told them to go jump.

    Sorry, but you don’t know that. You don’t know what advice Treasury would have given in changed circumstances – do you?

    I read somewhere that Costello said he would have let the automatic stabilizers (whatever that is) do their work during the GFC. He would have told Ken Henry to go jump with his crazy stimulus spending ideas

    We now have $1T of govt debt

  95. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 27, 2022 9:11 pm

    This is what Peter Costello said about the pink batts scheme in 2010.

    “”” In the dying days of the Howard government, the environment department prepared a list of measures designed to reduce carbon emissions. One was to insulate houses. Back in those days, home insulation was dressed up as a climate-change policy.

    I was against it. I couldn’t see why those taxpayers who had paid to insulate their own homes should subsidise insulation for those who hadn’t. The subsidy would only increase the value of a private asset – the private home.

    Secondly, I could not see how the Commonwealth could hope to manage a scheme to insulate millions of homes with thousands of private contractors when it had no staff with experience to design and supervise such a scheme.

    After some robust debate, the government decided against it. The taxpayers saved $2.5 billion. The then environment minister, Malcolm Turnbull, would have done a better job than Garrett, but he was saved from a potential disaster.

    Then the government changed hands. Early last year, Kevin Rudd was determined to spend money as fast as possible to stimulate the economy. The Prime Minister asked the public service to think up spending proposals. The departments dusted off proposals previously rejected
    . “””

  96. August 29, 2022 9:13 am

    The world order is changing. Quickly.

    Further:

    Australia’s gaze remains averted from the motor of history.

    … Looking more closely, Mahbubani issues a pointed reminder that countries representing more than half the globe’s population – China, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and South Africa, for instance – did not favour the resolution. The countries abstaining, in other words, had 51% of the globe’s population.

    Australian diplomacy, practised in its ignorance, has little understanding about the importance of not losing face, and how it remains the precept that governs the cultural considerations of many of its neighbours. Coarseness, and an unqualified resolve to go to war in comradely fashion with the United States, remain dominant. Instead of being an accommodating bridge between East and West, Canberra remains a fashioned spear for Western power.

    https://johnmenadue.com/spears-in-place-of-bridges-australia-china-and-fashioned-ignorance/

    Yep – practised in our ignorance.

  97. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2022 9:39 am

    Neil: “Actually i do not know enough to comment”

    Then don’t.

    It is not only your ignorance that should give you pause. Your abject stupidity is coupled with a cognitive disorder that sees you endlessly loop the same absurd arguments even as they are discredited one by one.

  98. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2022 12:07 pm

    Trouble in paradise:

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2022 12:30 pm

    What a fucking stupid observation MN.
    The legitimate figure is to understanding that governments representing less that 3% of the world’s population supported Russia.
    It is fucking disingenuous to try to portray an abstention as some for of either opposition or support.

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2022 1:41 pm

    Good Lord! ToM! WTF are you trying to say?

  101. August 29, 2022 1:56 pm

    ToM – Do try to keep up. And attempt to support your point of view with a few links (they do exist) because you are NOT a recognised authority. (And neither am I).

    But while you’re here (and Joyce never is when it matters.:

    Qantas managed to extract $2.7 billion of support, only $700 million of which was JobKeeper (passed through to employees). Joyce is an Olympic-grade charity mugger! … What regular businessman begs for $2.7 billion and gets it? Let alone forgets it happened.

    In the year to June 30 alone, Qantas received $870 million of subsidies from the Australian government. The Qantas board turned around on Thursday and announced a $400 million buyback! Because they’re in such a healthy position, and the network needs no further investment?

    … The reason Joyce has developed a warped perspective is the same reason he’s become such an unmissable public figure: he’s been in the job 14 years, which is at least five years too long.

    https://www.afr.com/rear-window/alan-joyce-the-man-who-wasn-t-there-20220828-p5bdel

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2022 2:03 pm

    All you do MN is post crap from has beens that can be summarised as – “Australia’s problem is that it doesn’t stick its head up the arse of enough brutal autocratic regimes that invade other countries and slaughter civilians ”
    It’s fucking stupid regardless of who says it.

  103. August 29, 2022 2:20 pm

    Does anyone remember Iraq? (You have to love those who have selective memories. Or who lack a moral compass.)

    Remember Kissinger and what he said:

    “To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal”. Former US president Jimmy Carter, called the United States “the most warlike nation in the history of the world”. Carter then said the US has been at peace for only 16 of its 242 years as a nation.

    In days of yore, Christian nations invaded country after country spreading the Gospel because they had the TRUTH – the One True Way to salvation. The USA of today is little different.

  104. August 29, 2022 2:27 pm

    Here’s a few historical reminders re ‘brutalty’.

    And ToM, you and your ilk get a mention.

  105. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2022 2:44 pm

    More “look over there” from MN. It’s pathetic

  106. August 29, 2022 3:05 pm

    ToM – don’t ‘look over there’. Look right here, read and reflect:

    war in Ukraine is the culmination of a 30-year project of the American neoconservative movement. The Biden Administration is packed with the same neocons who championed the US wars of choice in Serbia (1999), Afghanistan (2001), Iraq (2003), Syria (2011), Libya (2011), and who did so much to provoke Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

    The neocon track record is one of unmitigated disaster, yet Biden has staffed his team with neocons. As a result, Biden is steering Ukraine, the US, and the European Union towards yet another geopolitical debacle.

    https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper- articles/m6rb2a5tskpcxzesjk8hhzf96zh7w7

    As for the author – He has served as adviser to three UN Secretaries-General, and currently serves as an SDG Advocate under Secretary-General António Guterres. (One of ToM’s ‘has beens’.) Hilarious.

    (No wonder the conservatives/reactionaries don’t want students doing Arts subjects at Uni.)

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2022 3:13 pm

    “a 30 year project”
    So the corollary of your story is that Putin was manipulated into a war he didn’t want.
    What utter crap.
    You seem incapable of coming up with a rational view.

  108. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2022 3:42 pm

    “Putin was manipulated into a war he didn’t want.”

    That is not what happened. But Putin was able to understand when he could act with impunity based on the signals given to him.

    Putin clearly wants to get back some of the former USSR territory:

    “First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century,” Putin said. “As for the Russian people, it became a genuine tragedy. Tens of millions of our fellow citizens and countrymen found themselves beyond the fringes of Russian territory.

    The West also put Putin in the position to argue the legitimacy of breaking up sovereign countries:

    In February 2008, Kosovo unilaterally declared its independence from Serbia and was backed by most of the EU countries and the USA. Putin argued that this set a precedent — NATO had gone in to ‘protect lives’ and then supported independence. Six months later he invaded Georgia ostensibly to protect Russian speaking minorities. He went on to recognise the breakaway Georgian provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent.

    Putin uses this ‘Kosovo Precedent’ to argue Russia’s case in Ukraine. After invading Crimea in 2014 Moscow organised an independence referendum. The document formally declaring the subsequent independence from Ukraine mentions the Kosovo story as part of a legal justification to secede. Similar arguments are made about the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic and Donetsk People’s Republic in the parts of Ukraine’s Donbas region which were de facto occupied by Russia before February’s invasion.

    Putin’s decision to take Crimea would have been fortified when the feckless fool Obama sent a message to Putin saying the he, Obama, would have more ‘flexibility’ in his second term.

    And then there was the continual encroachment of NATO into Eastern Europe.

    I’m not excusing Russia for its decision to invade or the war crimes it has committed.

    And I’m not excusing Biden for failing to do everything he could to avert the conflict.

    It is no coincidence that Putin seized territory under the Bush, Obama and Biden regimes, but not under Trump.

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2022 3:42 pm

    Maybe ask John Menadue-
    * why none, zero, zilch, nought, 0.000 of the former Warsaw Pact countries support Russia
    * why (outside Russia) governments representing only 0.7% of the world’s population supported Russia. Yes,
    that’s 5 governments representing 56mil people out of 7.7 BILLION

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2022 3:44 pm

    Governments representing 99.3% of the world’s population outside Russia, didn’t support Russia

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2022 3:52 pm

    Yes SB. The failure of traditional diplomacy from the time Putin annexed Crimea emboldened him
    He considered the west divided and weak, that’s the failure. More accommodation of the fascist will only provide more encouragement

  112. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2022 4:11 pm

    “More accommodation of the fascist will only provide more encouragement”

    True. He must be stopped now.

  113. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2022 4:24 pm

    You seem incapable of coming up with a rational view.

    That’s actually quite a rational view that quite a lot of rational people have taken yomm.

    That’s not defending what putin has done. But it’s also pointing out the bald faced facts

  114. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2022 4:31 pm

    But Putin was able to understand when he could act with impunity based on the signals given to him.

    One has to wonder if he got braver once he knew his good mate trump had a trove of classified documents, rather than any ‘message’ a President from a decade a go may have sent?

  115. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2022 4:52 pm

    “any ‘message’ a President from a decade a go may have sent?”

    Obama sent his message about having more flexibility in his second term to Putin and sure enough Putin annexed Crimea in Obama’s second term. Putin didn’t invade anyone in Trump’s presidency because Trump explained to him the consequences.

  116. August 29, 2022 4:56 pm

    ToM – clearly you don’t read ‘links’. That Putin was provoked (doesn’t justify his resultant actions btw) is agreed by scholars from both the political Left (try Sachs) and the Right (try Mearsheimer) and by any number of others including some in Australia.

    (As argued at the outset, try to understand his motivations. And it’s conceded that as with any History, it’s a ‘contest’ Never black and white. Never about the ‘truth’ – because the writing of History just doesn’t work that way.)

    Putin warned them what the ‘red line’ was in Bucharest in 2008. That was understood by Merkel and the US Ambassador to Russia. But the ‘promises’ by the West (re NATO non-expansion) go back to 1990.

    Professor Joshua Shifrinson said in a paper documenting the promises entitled “How the West Broke Its Promise to Moscow” citing 30 documents from the US national security archives that detail all key conversations Gorbachev had with Western leaders in 1990, including from European …

    At a meeting between US Secretary of State James Baker and Soviet Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze on February 9, 1990, Baker repeated not once, but three times, the “not one inch expansion of Nato east” formula, according to the official State Department write-up of the meeting, written the next day.

    https://www.intellinews.com/gorbachev-and-the-verbal-promises-of-no-nato-eastern-expansion-231651/

  117. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2022 5:03 pm

    Putin didn’t invade anyone in Trump’s presidency because Trump … hadn’t stolen the secret documents, or handed him American bases filled with American tech

    But yes, the build up to this has been decades in the making.

  118. August 29, 2022 5:11 pm

    Yes many (most) in the West have an understanding/point of view of Putin’s motivations. But again they could be in error.

    According to the prevailing wisdom in the West, the Ukraine
    crisis can be blamed almost entirely on Russian aggression. Russian President Vladimir Putin, the argument goes, annexed Crimea out of a long-standing desire to resuscitate the Soviet empire, and he may eventually go after the rest of Ukraine, as well as other countries in eastern Europe.

    In this view, the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych in February 2014 merely provided a pretext for Putin’s decision to order Russian forces to seize part of Ukraine.

    But this account is wrong: the United States and its European allies
    share most of the responsibility for the crisis.

    Click to access Why-the-Ukraine-Crisis-Is.pdf

    While Mearsheimer’s views are widely read in the wider world, not so in Australia.

  119. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2022 5:18 pm

    “hadn’t stolen the secret documents, or handed him American bases filled with American tech”

    What are you talking about?

  120. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2022 5:56 pm

    Oh, you mean this tech:

    Zvezda aired footage of U.S. equipment such as medical supplies to treat sunburn that had been left behind as well as a gym and sleeping facilities.

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2022 6:12 pm

    Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2022 2:39 pm

    Thanks TR … that’s what I thought! ToM must have an ereader! Whoo! Hoo!

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2022 6:28 pm

    All you do MN is post crap from has beens that can be summarised as – “Australia’s problem is that it doesn’t stick its head up the arse of enough brutal autocratic regimes that invade other countries and slaughter civilians ”
    It’s fucking stupid regardless of who says it.

    erm, the problem is that it tries to and gets its head blown apart (thanks to our relationship with the USofA) shall I list the failures? And I’d lay bets that my family has been “involved” more than yours!

    If you “stick your head up the arse of enough brutal autocratic regimes they invade your country and slaughter civilians ”

    In every war the civilian population is the one that pays with blood, tears and treasure!

    “It’s fucking stupid regardless of who says it.” You’re problem is that you think a nation of 25 million people and a defence force of 80,000 than spit at a nation of 2 billion – BILLION – and an military force of over 2 million … we’d run out of spit before they run out of arses!

    And guess who sends iron ore to China to build there tanks, ships weapons and bauxite to build their aeroplanes?

    This is NOT a WW2 scenario … this a WW3 scenario … get yourself a rifle licence and get to a range if you are so serious about going to war! Why aren’t you in Ukraine right now – practising …

    “It’s fucking stupid regardless of who says it.”

    My family has been fighting “your” wars for four fucking generations! (And some i probably don’t even know about! Long Live King Richard!

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2022 6:31 pm

    Love to continue down the comments but visitors have arrived … have a lovely night Trashers! Love you all — yeah! and you ToM! 🍹🍻

  124. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2022 6:51 pm

    I said to you previously MN, don’t bother to post a link and expect me to read it.
    You’ll recall that you posted a 60 minute video. It’s arrogant in the extreme.
    Form a view and post it in your own words.
    I might read it.

  125. August 29, 2022 6:55 pm

    And while Ukraine is not of strategic importance to the USA, (if it was, then US Citizens would be doing some dying and not leaving it to the locals) China is! But one wonders how many Australians understand the (symbolic) significance of Taiwan to modern day China.

    As Muslims are still conscious of the Crusades (1095 to 1291) so it is with China and Taiwan (home of the Kuomintang since 1949). The “Century of Humiliation” still shines brightly in the minds of the common punter. Just ask them.

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2022 7:09 pm

    Ukraine isn’t of strategic importanceto the US? So?
    That means they aren’t entitled to seek their own government? Or their own international relations?

  127. August 29, 2022 7:10 pm

    ToM – in my world, those with acknowledged expertise outweigh anything I might have to say. Hence I cite same at every opportunity.

    Do the same with lawyers, dentists, engineers, doctors, etc … What about you?

    As for – “you might read it”. The evidence to date is that the “might read” either never materialises or has absolutely no effect. Lol.

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2022 7:18 pm

    And remember to ask John Menadue-
    * Why there isn’t a single former Warsaw Pact country that is now allied to Russia
    * Why governments representing 99.3% of the world’s population didn’t support Russia

  129. August 29, 2022 7:49 pm

    Re Menadue. These days his journal titled “Pearls and Irritations” (offering progressive, liberal commentary on issues that impact Australians) is for me a regular read. Note that he writes very, very few articles himself.

    All articles when posted show the P&I source (not the author), The author’s name is also shown attached to a particular article and you would know that if you clicked on the link.

    As for other claims made – re support for Russia or not. Do try to keep up because you’re are way out of date.

    Further, as “General Winter” arrives, various Nations will proceed on what they perceive to be their best interest(s). So let’s wait and see. And with the imminent expansion of BRICS (plus) we mightn’t have long to wait.

  130. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2022 8:11 pm

    Really MN, you’re the one posting the nonsense about “51%…”
    The fact is that governments representing 99.3% of the world’s population didn’t support Russia in the United Nations General Assembly
    That fact makes an absolute mockery of the crap you post.

  131. August 29, 2022 8:22 pm

    Re – “aren’t entitled to seek their own government? Or their own international relations?”

    Well let’s see how far one can take those (naive) principles.

    First, was Cuba allowed to have its own unfettered international relations? Was it allowed to accommodate Russian missiles on its own territory? Doesn’t the USA still hold the Munroe Doctrine near and dear You know – “separate spheres of influence for the Americas and Europe, non-colonization, and non-intervention”? Remember what happened?

    Second (a hypothetical), will the USA tolerate Chinese/Russian/North Korean missiles stationed on Canadian soil to the north and Mexican territory to the south? If not, then why not? After all, each is a sovereign nation and can have whatever ‘international relations’ it wants – can’t it?

    Over to you.

  132. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2022 8:28 pm

    So Cuba was 60 years ago, at the height of the cold war.
    USA didn’t fire a shot. It imposed sanctions.
    Is that the best you can come up with?

  133. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2022 8:32 pm

    On the basis of your position, I presume you think Australia would be justified in invading the Solomon Islands if they get too close to China

  134. August 29, 2022 8:44 pm

    Re the 51%:

    “Mahbubani issues a pointed reminder that countries representing more than half the globe’s population – China, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and South Africa, for instance – did not favour the resolution. The countries abstaining, in other words, had 51% of the globe’s population.”

    https://johnmenadue.com/spears-in-place-of-bridges-australia-china-and-fashioned-ignorance/

    In case you didn’t notice, the West is shitting razor blades re

    BEIJING, Aug 17 (Reuters) – Chinese troops will travel to Russia to take part in joint military exercises led by the host and including India, Belarus, Mongolia, Tajikistan and other countries, China’s defence ministry said on Wednesday.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinese-military-will-send-troops-russia-joint-exercise-2022-08-17/

    https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinese-military-will-send-troops-russia-joint-exercise-2022-08-17/

    ToM – the over-riding principle is ‘might is right’ for most nations but only if they have it.

  135. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2022 8:55 pm

    The vote in the UN General Assembly was 141 to 5. Are you aware that the United Nations doesn’t use proportional representation?
    Are you aware that only 0.7% of the world’s population supported Russia?
    Did you notice that the Cuban Missile Crisis was 60; years ago?
    Or that there is not a single former Warsaw Pact country that now supports Russia?

  136. August 29, 2022 9:52 pm

    ToM – After your last post and re-reading (most) of the above, I really don’t know where to start re a response.

    So I won’t.

  137. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2022 10:12 pm

    I can understand that
    You don’t deal with challenges to your opinion, you usually reply by posting a video, along the lines of…
    **Watch this, it’s an hour of some verbose tosser**

  138. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 30, 2022 8:09 am

    “So I won’t.”

    Excellent idea from someone who gives the UN General Assembly any credence at all. That dictators’ club is, in the words of the great man, unrepresentative swill.

  139. August 30, 2022 9:56 am

    The Liberals lack Labor’s attack dog instincts. A prime example is Jim Chalmers who was out the day after the 2019 election, slagging the government, not licking his wounds and wondering what he and his party did wrong. Didn’t hurt that the mainstream media were also constantly on the attack.
    If you’re pointing out that the Libs primary votes were abysmal, can I point out that Labor’s
    were just as bad.

  140. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 30, 2022 11:15 am

    “The Liberals lack ….”

    • Relevant Policies
    • Decent candidates
    • Principled decision-making
    • Cohesive messaging
    • Credibility
    • Unity
    • Ethics

    According to a ministerial staffer I spoke to, in NSW it is every person for themselves. Each pollie cares only about holding their own seat.

    The Perrottet-Keane deal has failed to deliver stability or even a coherent message. Limping from one crisis to the next, the Coalition doesn’t deserve to win and no one on the Coalition side believes they will win the next election.

    More to the point, none of the voters believe they deserve to win. Chris Minns looks like potential PM material each time I see him.

  141. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 30, 2022 11:19 am

    I should add that the said staffer is already planning to take up a new position overseas commencing next April. He knows that whatever happens his job will no longer exist because his boss will no longer be a minister.

  142. Tom R permalink
    August 30, 2022 12:42 pm

    Oh, you mean this tech:

    yes

    https://newrepublic.com/article/155471/weapons-america-leaving-behind-syria

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2022 6:25 pm

    LUV IT!

    And, Good Lord! ToM! Only three minute read! OK, you might need six.

    https://theshot.net.au/economics/ten-way-the-government-make-a-bit-of-extra-cash-on-the-side-if-it-really-wanted-to/

    Sample? Nah! Read it …

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2022 6:53 pm

    Closer to home, ToM, what should we do about this … ?

    The Solomon Islands has issued a moratorium on visiting United States navy vessels.

    The US embassy in Canberra says the US had been issued with a notice of the moratorium on Monday.

    “On August 29, the United States received formal notification from the Government of Solomon Islands regarding a moratorium on all naval visits, pending updates in protocol procedures,” the embassy said in a statement.

    Reuters reported a spokesman for Solomon Islands Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare earlier denied the reports of a moratorium.

    It follows Honiara failing to respond to a request for a US Coast Guard ship to dock and refuel on Friday.

    The ship diverted to Papua New Guinea.

    But the US navy hospital ship Mercy docked in Honiara on Monday for a two-week mission.

    “The US navy ship Mercy received diplomatic clearance prior to the moratorium being implemented. We will continue to closely monitor the situation,” the US embassy’s statement says.

    Mr Sogavare is reportedly due to make a speech on Tuesday afternoon welcoming the ship.

    Prime Minister Anthony Albanese plans to host his Solomons counterpart in coming weeks as Australia seeks to firm up ties with the Pacific nation.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/asia-news/2022/08/30/solomons-stops-us-navy-ships-docking/

  145. August 30, 2022 9:47 pm

    Perhaps we could build a better mobile phone network right here in Australia using the best technology (read Huawei). Did you know that the:

    “Solomon Islands is pushing ahead with a contentious plan to borrow almost $100 million from China to build 161 mobile phone towers across the country with telco giant Huawei,”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-18/huwaei-solomon-islands-mobile-towers-loan-china-beijing-kpmg/101346144

    Suspect that other Island Nations will follow (as quickly as possible.) While America sends warships to patrol (and counts the costs as ‘aid’) China offers desired assistance. Too easy.

    And Australia will do whatever we’re told.

  146. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 31, 2022 8:44 am

    These are real fascists. The good news is that they killed one of their own:

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2022 11:29 am

    These are real fascists.

    ????

    Antifa (/ænˈtiːfə, ˈænti(ˌ)fə/) is a left-wing anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States.

  148. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 31, 2022 12:50 pm

    Democratic People’s Republic of Korea????

  149. Tom R permalink
    August 31, 2022 2:00 pm

    Democratic People’s Republic of Korea?

    Prime Minister(s) of ‘Straya

  150. August 31, 2022 5:38 pm

    A great piece to read. What is it with New Zealanders? (But you have to like reading because there’s 179 footnotes to pursue.)

    https://mronline.org/2022/08/29/u-s-imperialism-reflections-from-a-ukrainian-mirror/

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2022 6:45 pm

    LOL! Good Lord! ToM only get his “reads” from the library … are they open in Victoria yet?

    Must be easy to find a book … most Mexicans have refugee status in The Sunshine State!

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2022 6:46 pm

    Democratic People’s Republic of Korea?

    Prime Minister(s) of ‘Straya

    Yer a clever bugger, TR!

    Hypocrisy writ large, hey?

  153. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 31, 2022 6:51 pm

    It is not only your ignorance that should give you pause. Your abject stupidity is coupled with a cognitive disorder that sees you endlessly
    loop the same absurd arguments even as they are discredited one by one.

    Splatterbum, you have said that before, like many times. I get the message. But some examples of my absurd arguments would be nice. Did you read my quote from the SMH why Peter Costello thought the Pink Batts scheme would be a bad idea?

    In the dying days of the Howard government, the environment department prepared a list of measures designed to reduce carbon emissions. One was to insulate houses. Back in those days, home insulation was dressed up as a climate-change policy.

    I was against it. I couldn’t see why those taxpayers who had paid to insulate their own homes should subsidise insulation for those who hadn’t. The subsidy would only increase the value of a private asset – the private home.

    Secondly, I could not see how the Commonwealth could hope to manage a scheme to insulate millions of homes with thousands of private contractors when it had no staff with experience to design and supervise such a scheme.

    After some robust debate, the government decided against it. The taxpayers saved $2.5 billion. T

  154. August 31, 2022 7:05 pm

    So “the government decided against it”. Indeed the government (Cabinet – part of the Executive Branch) did decide against it.

    It’s the next bit ” The taxpayers saved $2.5 billion” that has me confused.

    Did the “taxpayers” get a refund (from the savings)? Did BHP (Australia’s biggest taxpayer) get a refund as well? Did the Chinese Ambassador (an Australian taxpayer) get a saving as well? What about the Russian Ambassador?

    Please explain.

  155. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2022 8:05 pm

    So “the government decided against it”. Indeed the government
    (Cabinet – part of the Executive Branch) did decide against it.

    The Howard/Costello govt thought the pink batts scheme would be a bad idea. So they canned it.

    Apparently when the GFC happened the Public Service had another go and presented it to the Rudd govt as a stimulus plan to get money into the economy.
    Rudd/Swan went for it

  156. September 2, 2022 9:25 am

    What a balancing act looks like.

  157. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2022 11:58 am

    Devout religious followers have better sex lives

  158. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2022 1:04 pm

  159. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2022 1:29 pm

    UNION THUGS!

    Wait, what?

  160. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2022 1:31 pm

    lol splats

  161. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2022 1:42 pm

  162. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2022 1:44 pm

    🙂

  163. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2022 1:48 pm

    Here’s the wide shot – doesn’t look much better.

  164. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2022 1:58 pm

    Funny, from the mob who actually carried around Swastikas, calling Biden a Nazi. It really is bizzaro land 😆

  165. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2022 2:25 pm

    Pretty sure the real swastika mob would love Biden.

  166. September 2, 2022 2:55 pm

    When Putin engages (endorses) in extrajudicial killings (and he does), he’s described as ‘brutal’ but when Biden does the same, he’s not.

    Guess, there’s ‘good’ brutality and then there’s ‘bad’.

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2022 3:38 pm

    MN never fails to try to put context around Putin’s brutality

  168. September 2, 2022 3:59 pm

    Very easy to get ToM over his sulking. Just a mere mention of the American Empire’s hypocrisy and he comes-a-running.

    Well done ToM – a very special pat on the head is already in the mail. Lol.

  169. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2022 4:06 pm

    Not sulking MN it’s just that you’re so very predictable.
    If there’s a way to blame western democracies for Putin’s brutality, you’ll try it.
    I see the UN has a scathing report on China’s appalling human rights violations. I’d expect you to reply by pointing to some domestic issue

  170. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2022 4:11 pm

    No, you’ll excuse it by talking about China’s century of humiliation.
    That should solve human rights abuse

  171. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adgmakea0qI permalink
    September 2, 2022 4:36 pm

    No need to look local The American Empire’s malevolence is everywhere. How about we start with Iraq? You know the American Empire’s invasion of Iraq that was ‘illegal’ according to the United Nations Charter.

    Care to view?

  172. September 2, 2022 4:49 pm

    Would the American Empire have invaded Iraq if they didn’t have oil?

    Is it possible to nominate a war where America has been successful in recent times (apart from Genada – operation ‘Urgent Fury’)?

  173. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2022 5:09 pm

    Successful? Depends how you measure success. If you ask the US arms manufacturers and their Washington lobbyists they have all been successful wars.

    It is precisely why Ukraine was allowed to fester into a war. See also: Western allies led by UK’s Johnson sabotaged tentative Ukraine-Russia peace deal

  174. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2022 5:25 pm

    Yes MN.
    If only there wasn’t a western democracy that was a superpower. Then Putin and the CCP could divide the world into their spheres of influence
    How happy and peaceful we’d all be then.
    You have seriously stupid views

  175. September 2, 2022 6:13 pm

    All Empires (or Hegemons) proceed on the basis of their own interest(s). “Morality” (in the conventional sense at least) simply doesn’t enter the equation. And that applies regardless of the Empire/Hegemon (or aspirants) under discussion. So it includes Putin and Xi Jinping (but not Biden apparently). Get real.

    It’s what realpolitik is all about.

    Realpolitik is defined in terms of: a system of politics or principles based on practical rather than moral or ideological considerations. Check Bismarck for its modern usage.

    Having said that ALL Empires behave that way – Australia as a Vassal State should come clean and talk about it and stop ‘covering up’.

    (A Vassal State is: a state with varying degrees of independence in its internal affairs but dominated by another state in its foreign affairs and potentially wholly subject to the dominating state ).

    It’s another reason why ‘democracy’ might not be the best form of government. Punters prefer ‘fairy tales’ and can’t handle naked truths. They retreat to the metaphorical Cave.

    Splatterbottom re your linked article. There’s much that is true contained within.

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2022 8:17 pm

    I see.
    We’re a vassal state, and only people like you know.
    Congratulations

  177. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 2, 2022 9:22 pm

    Did the “taxpayers” get a refund (from the savings)? Did BHP (Australia’s biggest taxpayer) get a refund as well? Did the Chinese Ambassador (an Australian taxpayer) get a saving as well? What about the Russian Ambassador?

    Please explain.

    I guess Peter Costello believes that govt finances are just like household finances.

  178. September 2, 2022 10:21 pm

    Re ‘vassal state’ and

    only people like you know.

    No no ToM! – now you know too.

    And this explanation for the non-reader.

  179. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 2, 2022 11:37 pm

    FMD.
    Do you think you’re the first person to use the term? More likely is that you’ve just learnt it.

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2022 10:34 am

    FMD! This G-G needs the boot! Just what was Snotty and the General planning FFS!

    In the financial fine print required for handing out millions of dollars in response to lobbying by the G-G and his secretary, the finance minister’s explanatory statement more than once said the program was “an initiative of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet in consultation with the Office of the Official Secretary of the Governor-General”.

    “The program’s overall objective is to develop a group of nationally-minded multisector leaders who are better connected and impactful, and who jointly share a commitment to the future of Australia, its values and national interest,” the statement said.

    The statement runs on in similar vein about establishing what seems to be a networking club, initially of 120 select individuals that will somehow “complement the government’s economic recovery plan and will catalyse societal cohesion, fairness and focus on the national interest, issues and opportunities” – whatever that all means.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/opinion/2022/09/02/governor-generals-charity/

  181. September 3, 2022 2:23 pm

    Yes TB, the GG ought to resign and NOT be replaced by another groom of the stool. Let’s cut th0se Royal ties as a matter of priority.

    These days we owe fealty to a different hegemon so let’s acknowledge that loud and clear.

  182. September 3, 2022 2:53 pm

    Biden is abolishing (some) student debt. Australia is abolishing some TAFE fees and providing more assistance to early childhood education. All well and good as far as it goes but there’s a clear lack of an underlying rationale.

    Education and training (expensive as it maybe) should be a metaphorical birthright. It should be funded by the State through one’s lifetime because it’s an excellent social and economic investment.

    Governments at both the State and Commonwealth levels often reference the desirability of life-long education but do little to materialize same.

    Only The Greens promise to wipe student debt and ensure everyone can access a free, world-class education from early childhood, through school to TAFE and University. But the chance of that happening through the electoral process is somewhat remote. Nevertheless it remains a worthwhile ideal.

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2022 3:31 pm

    These days we owe fealty to a different hegemon …

    After reading your tête-à-tête above with, Good Lord! ToM … I hope you’re not referring to the “waking” Dragon!

    Napoleon, said, that the world should beware the sleeping dragon, lest it awake

    We should “owe” fealty to no-one in the 21st Century – although I’m acutely aware that the reality is that, our government can “demand” it at any time. Almost 64,000 men found that out in 1965 to 1972. 200 of them with their lives!

    I’m happy to declare I am a Republican – of the Australian kind! 😎

  184. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 3, 2022 4:30 pm

    Swan was prepared to spend and spend to keep the economy moving.

    And we now have $1T of govt debt. In 2007 we were debt free. Anybody with a brain knew what labor would do to the budget. In their evangelistic zeal Labor has now convinced people that deficit budgets are OK

    It is even worse than i thought it would be. I knew Rudd/Swan/ALP would trash the budget but Labor has now convinced everybody that deficit spending is OK

  185. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2022 4:32 pm

    All well and good as far as it goes but there’s a clear lack of an underlying rationale.
    ……………

    But the chance of that happening through the electoral process is somewhat remote

    You got there in the end MN 😉

    nil still remains bereft of brain cells 😦

  186. Tom R permalink
    September 3, 2022 4:36 pm

    Russians can’t read American can they?

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2022 8:48 am

    Russians can’t read American can they?

    No-one can read American – not even the Americans!

  188. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2022 11:25 am

    Would MN prefer USA opt out of geo politics and leave it to Putin and the CCP?

  189. September 4, 2022 1:11 pm

    ToM – you clearly play on unlinked (no references) ground which is laughable. Hilarious even but mainly sad. Very, very sad.

    Why it’s even in the language you choose to use. So there’s the USA, who is apparently leaderless because it never gets a mention – just the Nation. And maybe that true because Biden’s popularity is at 42%. (Remember the USA is in a proxy war with Russia where it has indicated it will fight to the death of the last Ukrainian.)

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

    Ashley Parker, Tyler Pager, and Sean Sullivan, “The Long Slide: Inside Biden’s Declining Popularity as He Struggles with Multiple Crises,” Washington Post, 19 January 2022.

    After the humiliating defeat and panicked withdrawal from Afghanistan, (reminiscent of Vietnam) something had to be done to feed the ever hungry Military-Industrial Complex (MIC). Hence Ukraine – 30 years in the making.

  190. September 4, 2022 1:29 pm

    As for Putin and his popularity (or lack of same.)

    https://www.levada.ru/en/2022/03/04/approval-of-institutions-the-state-of-affairs-in-the-country-ratings-of-parties/

    You will see that his ratings have steadily risen.

    V. Putin has increased: 65% in December, 69% in January and 71% in February 2022

    With the New York Times now having him above 80%.

    Shaken at First, Many Russians Now Rally Behind Putin’s Invasion,” New York Times, 1 April 2022.

    https://mronline.org/2022/08/29/u-s-imperialism-reflections-from-a-ukrainian-mirror/#edn_7

    You seem unaware that this history didn’t start yesterday. And when it is recognised (history that is) you dismiss it off hand. Because the “Cuban Missile Missile Crisis” happened 60 years ago it’s of no importance. And that maybe so to you (says much in itself) but the “principle” remains relevant today.

    Can’t remember the last time you responded to a question so I’ll return the treatment.

  191. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2022 1:30 pm

    I’ll take that (non) response as saying you’d prefer to leave the geo politics to Putin and the CCP

  192. September 4, 2022 2:00 pm

    Notice that:

    Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce has taken a hard line that multi-employer bargaining must not swing the balance against employers amid criticism that business has been duped into radically reshaping the industrial relations system in favour of unions.

    Appears that Joyce will be treated like “baggage” and abandoned (perhaps) in a hangar.

    Certainly Alan Jones didn’t miss him.

    Not good when Alan Jones abandons you like the missing “baggage”. Seems like his job will be soon outsourced.

  193. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2022 2:17 pm

    More ill informed nonsense.
    Maybe you can explain why unions wanting to improve pay and conditions at Virgin should take industrial action against Qantas

  194. September 4, 2022 2:37 pm

    Australia should be mindful of its “best interests”. Playing the role as the Vassal to the USA is not the way to go. Even South Korea understands that.

    No appreciation of the march of history.

  195. September 4, 2022 2:48 pm

    Re:

    why unions wanting to improve pay and conditions at Virgin should take industrial action against Qantas

    Applying the logic that you usually do, the answer is so simple in this “free, democratic” country.

    Because they can!

    It’s the rationale, USA uses against rival “hegemons”. But you would know that if you followed the links.

  196. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2022 2:55 pm

    1. You’re apparently happy to leave the geo politics to Putin and the CCP.
    What a peaceful and happy world you would achieve.
    2. Why allow industrial action against a company that can’t settle the dispute on behalf of another employer?
    3. Here comes a reply that is either wordy obfuscation or a long video of someone who is more coherent than you

  197. Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2022 3:55 pm

    And yet, even after all this, they are still the shittest airline

    Between late-March 2020 and June 2022, Qantas billed taxpayers more than $2.35 billion for everything from wage and route subsidies to fees for service and waived taxes.

    Not a single dollar of the bailout, which has since become known as QantasKeeper, was a loan or equity investment in Australia’s largest airline. Qantas was given the money without the obligation to pay it back and taxpayers were given no shares in the company in return for their largesse.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2022/09/03/qantas-keeper-bailout-ripoff/

    Because they can!

    🙂

    (of course, it would be easier if yomm could LINK to what he specifically is talking about, then we can comment in a more informed manner)

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2022 4:29 pm

    I’ve been busy all week with occasional breaks to pop in and read the “discussions” … Good Lord! How enthralling and enlightening … in so-o-o many ways …

    😭

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2022 4:33 pm

    KARMA?

    Ground handlers from Dnata, who are contracted to Qantas and other airlines, will walk off the job for 24 hours on Monday, September 12, AAP reports.

    The industrial action was agreed to by Dnata workers on Friday with some 350 crew to strike.

    It follows calls by the Transport Workers Union for Dnata to lift pay and conditions, including minimum guaranteed work hours.

    Qantas sacked its own ground crew staff during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic and moved to outsourcing roles to companies such as Dnata.

    An airline spokeswoman said the negotiations were a matter for Dnata and the carrier had contingency plans in place to curb disruptions.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2022/sep/04/australia-live-news-update-labor-jobs-skills-summit-severe-weather-warning-covid-cases-migration-tony-burke

  200. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2022 4:48 pm

    It’s interesting that Tom R (and others) was so demanding of permanent government funding for overseas owned auto companies, but is so vociferous in his opposition to temporary funding of the Australian airline industry

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2022 5:10 pm

    Good Lord! ToM!

    It’s interesting that Tom R (and others) was so demanding of permanent government funding for overseas owned auto companies

    You never have understood how economies, industry and particularly manufacturing strengthens the country – how it all fits together … it was never about just “making cars” … but QANTAS its just a big , deep, money pit with no return, poor service, frustrated employees and angry customers …

    If you did actually read this comment … Tom R permalink
    September 4, 2022 3:55 pm
    … it seems, as usual, you didn’t actually comprehend it’s meaning?

    As for another failure by the Biggest Leaner Hockey (among many stuff ups)

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-14/study-warns-carmakers-exit-could-see-200,000-jobs-lost/5389682?nw=0&r=Interactive

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-04/car-industry-subsidies-worthwhile-study-concludes/5066938

    https://www.drive.com.au/news/australian-automotive-manufacturing-industry-exit-cost-economy-21-5b/

  202. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2022 5:22 pm

    Motor mechanics prefer the automotive industry.

  203. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 4, 2022 5:54 pm

    TB

    Our car industry left because people stopped buying aussie made cars. People wanted SUVs but Holden and Ford were making sedans.

    When Ford announced they were leaving when Gillard was PM the industry was dead. It died from 2007-2013

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2022 6:08 pm

    Motor mechanics prefer the automotive industry.

    If you’re trying to be smart you’ll find people with MM background in many industries and callings – sales, service, manufacturing, health and safety, line and staff management, consultancy, learning and assessment, business ownership … and even ADF experience … who woulda thought …

    What are you, BTW? Just a … ?

  205. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2022 6:15 pm

    Get over it TB. Don’t try the “You never have understood how economies….” bullshit and then whine about a reply

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2022 6:54 pm

    … bullshit and then whine about a reply

    Ahh … but its not BS and I’m not “whining” … you’re BS cause my reply is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TRUE!

    BTW … What are you, BTW? Just a … ?

  207. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 4, 2022 8:15 pm

    You probably took it as a compliment when someone said you might be “foreman material”

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    September 5, 2022 9:23 am

    Good Lord! ToM, answer just two simple questions! What makes you think you know everything? And just what did you do to achieve such a high intellectual self-image of yourself?

    As for this nonsense – You probably took it as a compliment when someone said you might be “foreman material” – as a 20yo fourth year apprentice, asked asked to become a Leading Hand … I certainly did take it as a compliment … we’re not all born with a M’lard Complex …

    I suspect a lot of talk and very little walk …

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    September 5, 2022 9:25 am

    Coalition hits record low as Labor extends lead to 57-43 in latest Newspoll

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2022/09/04/coalition-record-low-newspoll/

    I admit I was dubious about Albo … but credit where credit is due!

  210. Tom R permalink
    September 5, 2022 10:28 am

    so demanding of permanent government funding for overseas owned auto companies, but is so vociferous in his opposition to temporary funding of the Australian airline industry

    yomm doesn’t support Government subsidies that save Australian jobs that return far more than the investment but is fine with giving away taxpayer dollars to an entity that returns nothing but contempt. What about all those years you harped on about ‘debt and waste’, yet now, pfft, throw money around like confetti

    I also note that you, yet again, are able to provide a link, or even a verabl description of what specific case you were referring to re Industrial Action in airlines. Doesn’t matter, toss out a few more $billion, it’s only (tax payers) money

  211. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 5, 2022 10:45 am

    “I admit I was dubious about Albo … but credit where credit is due!”

    Me too. He is better than I thought he would be.

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    September 5, 2022 10:55 am

    Speaking of QANTAS/Jetstar …

    Thousands of Australians have been left stranded in Bali after multiple Jetstar flights were cancelled.

    Since the start of September flights between Australia and Bali have been cancelled every day due to engineering issues.

    My bbbbold!

  213. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2022 11:13 am

    Maybe just explain why you were so vociferous in your support for permanent funding for the automotive industry, but so opposed to temporary support for the aviation industry

  214. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2022 11:40 am

    And maybe MN can explain why the world would be a better and more peaceful place if the geo politics and spheres of influence were just left to Putin and the CCP

  215. Tom R permalink
    September 5, 2022 11:52 am

    Maybe just explain

    Ignoring the fact that I asked you before you went off on your tangent, how about reading my reply dopey. All I’m asking for is a reference? Is that so hard?

    Government subsidies that save Australian jobs that return far more than the investment but is fine with giving away taxpayer dollars to an entity that returns nothing but contempt

  216. Tom R permalink
    September 5, 2022 11:55 am

    if the geo politics and spheres of influence were just left to Putin and the CCP

    While you’re at it, maybe a link to this claim too? I haven’t been reading yor discussion with MN that closely. Perhaps I missed it?

  217. Fur Rower Might`Teabag permalink
    September 5, 2022 12:52 pm

    Qantas sacked its own ground crew
    l reckon the old jonestown airport might just find itself unable to keep/ obtain staff in the knot to far off future. (Both airlines and airports are know longer seen as ‘desirable’ by workers.) The ivory tower landowners around it won’t be the throwers, foodprep, cleaners, etc for them.`

  218. September 5, 2022 2:20 pm

    If Australia was a real democracy, our armed forces (probably) would not have gone to Vietnam (correctly labelled The American War by the locals) nor Iraq (another American War) nor Afghanistan (another American War).

    To engage in speculation as how the world might be sometime in the future in different scenarios is just that – speculation. What IS known is the result of past actions. And America’s track record (post WW II) there is horrendous.

  219. September 5, 2022 2:39 pm

    The War in Ukraine resulted from (American led) NATO expansion and its outbreak was predicted long before the first shot was fired. Germany’s Angela Merkel and the USA Ambassador to Russia are on the public record stating that Ukraine joining an eastern expanding NATO was a ‘red line’ that should not be crossed.

    For a detailed history – Google John Mearsheimer.

  220. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2022 2:48 pm

    Typically you avoid the question.
    And typically you have no regard for choice.
    Every former Warsaw Pact country now opposes Putin’s regime.
    But you’re relying on some 20 year old opinion that has been denied.
    Would you prefer that the US wasn’t involved in geo politics, and left it to Putin and the CCP?

  221. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2022 2:55 pm

    Putin tries to cultivate an image as a strategist. The facts are different.
    Putin is no strategist, he underestimated Ukrainian resolve and western democracy support.
    He thought this would be a quick victory and would result in regime change in Ukraine.
    Instead Putin has brought a war to his country, is within a couple of hours of Moscow. He has his own version of Israel vs Palestine.
    Russia is bogged down in a war with no clear path to victory. He has very limited choices.
    Putin has invested in war rather than public infrastructure and the result is that Russia remains largely impoverished. About a third of the population is without running water and sanitation.
    It’s GDP has contracted by about 40% in the past decade. The Moscow Share Market Index has lost about 50% since the invasion of Ukraine. It’s economy is now about the same size as Australia’s.
    Russia has been diminished by Putin’s ambitions and hubris

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    September 5, 2022 3:04 pm

    Maybe just explain why you were so vociferous in your support for permanent funding for the automotive industry

    I have already answered that repetitive question … one makes money and strengthen the economy in many ways and the other QANTAS is just a money-pot for an Irish wannabe …

    Read the lynques … just click on the maroon bits (called URLs) … it’s easier than using your ereader … ahhh, that’s right you go to the library for books.

    TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2022 5:10 pm

    BTW, M’lard where were you born again? (No. 10023)

    And you ain’t answered my questions yet (UQ No. 10021 and 10022)

  223. September 5, 2022 3:06 pm

    The United States of America is the greatest (most powerful) Empire the world has ever seen. And is determined to keep it that way. Going forward, its only real rival is China which may have already surpassed it economically. Russia is not a serious rival because its time has past, unless of course nations resort to nuclear warfare. It’s thought that Russia has numerical superiority but not effectively so.

    Like Empires in the past the USA has been ruthless in reaching its goals. That’s realpolitik in action. The main thrust of China (at the moment) is economic expansion. While it’s been remarkable in its achievement to date, it has a population of more than 1.4 billion and started a long way behind developments elsewhere.

    More importantly, China is not on some type of religious, political mission. The Belt and Road initiative (sometimes called One Belt One Road – Chinese: 一带一路) or OBOR for short focuses on the ‘economic’ and not the ‘political’. Nevertheless, the USA is paranoid about its rise. Accordingly it’s rallied its many vassals – Australia included.

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    September 5, 2022 3:22 pm

    … our armed forces (probably) would not have gone to …

    Korea …

    But the USA was very slow to enter WWI, WWII … would they be reluctant again?

    Who owns/leases all those islands – eg Daydream, South Molle, Keswick Island, St Bees, Lindeman, Cockatoo Island … and of course Darwin Port … !

  225. Tom R permalink
    September 5, 2022 3:23 pm

    Typically you avoid the question.

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  226. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2022 3:55 pm

    An American empire? Because western democracies have chosen to act collectively, in their common interests?
    That’s not an empire. That’s an alliance if interests, which I thought you understood.
    And it’s clear that you are mistrustful of democracy, probably because it doesn’t produce the results that reflect your narrow perspective.
    Did you see the United Nations report on the treatment of the Uyghurs? That is your preferred leader of the geo political game.
    At any point of conflict, you prefer to blame the west and seek to minimise the brutality of autocratic regimes

  227. Tom R permalink
    September 5, 2022 4:36 pm

  228. TB Queensland permalink
    September 5, 2022 4:53 pm

    Quite a brilliant toon …

    Comments good too … TR 😎

  229. TB Queensland permalink
    September 5, 2022 4:58 pm

    At any point of conflict, you prefer to blame the west and seek to minimise the brutality of autocratic regimes

    HTF does your mind work? Backwards? (Q Nos. 10024 & 10025)

    Still waiting for ansirs (UQ 001 to 10025) , m’lud … 😉

  230. September 5, 2022 5:03 pm

    Re:

    Because western democracies have chosen to act collectively, in their common interests?

    Putting aside ‘chosen’ for the moment, and proceeding to the “common interest” claim. So what was this ‘common interest’ that caused Australia to go to Vietnam? (Certainly knew what the stated reason was.) But over to you re the claim of ‘common interest’ re Vietnam locally known as the American War.

    Further, what was the ‘common interest’ that sent Australian troops to Iraq?
    The outright lies that were told? Who believed them?

    Ditto Afghanistan?

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2022 5:13 pm

    Are you aware that it is 50 years since Whitlam took Australia out of Vietnam?
    You enjoy talking about events of decades ago to avoid discussion about the events of today.
    At every opportunity you will try to minimise the brutality of Putin and the CCP and blame all conflicts on western democracies.
    You’re suspicious of democracy because you think you know better

  232. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 5, 2022 5:15 pm

    “If Australia was a real democracy, our armed forces (probably) would not have gone to Vietnam (correctly labelled The American War by the locals) nor Iraq (another American War) nor Afghanistan (another American War).”

    What s a real democracy?

    We have a system of representative government.

    The reason we fulfil our alliance obligations is that our governments have decided that Australia is better off that way. Most citizens would agree. This is likely to continue until the stupid sections of the population – Greens, Marxists, Socialists, Teals and the like – become a majority.

  233. September 5, 2022 6:28 pm

    Re:

    avoid discussion about the events of today.

    The problem(s) of discussing the “events of today” is that we lack reliable information. Plenty of disinformation/bullshit but that’s for the ill informed. The “barrackers”. The “easily led”. Remember the Gulf of Tonkin? Saddam’s Nuclear Weapons? Surely such incidents would provoke a modicum of “skepticism”. But is it best they are forgotten?

    Another reason why democracy may not be the best form of government but we won’t know until we try it.

    Remember Vietnam and a particular (effective) slogan – we are fighting them there, so we don’t have to fight them here? Did you know that the ‘communist North’ won what was (correctly) labelled, in some circles at least, as a Civil War? Presumably, you are aware that they are now trusted trade partners?

    BTW, Do you know that ‘fighting them over there’ is still being used in the US context as they fight Russia today?

    (Notice that you still haven’t revealed the “common interests” that drive these Nations to act together. Saving that for later perhaps?)

    Re:

    What’s a real democracy?

    Perhaps a form of government that allows the will of the Citizens to be expressed and materialized? That allows the Leader (the most powerful person in this ‘democracy’) to be directly elected?

    That ensures “one vote one value”. (Presumably, you are aware that in the 2019 election, the quota to elect a Senator from Tasmania was but 7% of that required to do the same in NSW.) Won’t go on.

    Nevertheless, one must entertain the thought that we don’t have a ‘real democracy’ simply because they won’t work. (Plato thought so as did the authors of the US Constitution).

    No doubt you would be aware that across the world, what travels under the “democratic” banner is in decline. Certainly some of the underlying assumptions re democracy don’t stand up to examination. ETC, etc.

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    September 5, 2022 6:31 pm

    You enjoy talking about events of decades ago to avoid discussion about the events of today. No-one “enjoys” talking about a brutal war that caused so many lives to be torn apart and traumatised … it was about power and control (nothing changes) and Reds Under The Beds hypocrisy …

    Go to Vietnam today … Uncle Ho is a hero … and if you read the history of VN you will understand why … we should never have been there – an observation made to a Captain at Bandiana as I was inducted into my corp …

    You’re suspicious of democracy because you think you know better

    Not “suspicious” they are your words … but recognise its shortcomings …

    We have a system of representative government.

    Representative?

    No-one asked me if we should go to war in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Iraq … and I had no choice at all during the American War (and yes, that’s what they call it) but to don jungle greens and train for two years in case I was deployed to The American War … our tour gude in VN was astonished when I told her I had been called up and explained what that meant.

    The reason we fulfil our alliance obligations is that our governments have decided that Australia is better off that way.

    And I agree with the concept … not with USA diplomacy … the US always accused the British and the French of imperialism … the US is the most prolific imperialist this world has seen … China is advancing its imperialism too … that’s not acceptance, that’s reality … the problem with the US is the looming Civil War …

    We are not (yet) the 51st state …

    Neutrality seems to work for some countries …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_neutrality

    But!

    https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/neutral-switzerland-leans-closer-nato-response-russia-2022-05-15/

  235. September 5, 2022 6:37 pm

    Re Empire:

    … use of the term “empire” has been getting out of hand since imperialism became a pejorative in late-19th century British politics. The term, its meaning, and its utility have spurred endless exchanges … in both the fields of history and international relations (IR).

    … debate has ebbed and flowed with Washington’s interventions abroad. It became especially strong during the Vietnam War and then returned with a vengeance after the Bush administration invaded Iraq in 2003.

    “America as empire” is rapidly becoming the consensus view today

    As always, “history” is a contest. Interpretations, meanings given, etc change over time.

    https://warontherocks.com/2015/08/is-america-an-empire/

  236. September 5, 2022 7:22 pm

    Re –

    Uncle Ho is a hero

    Indeed he is! In both life and death On the other hand Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev isn’t. At home at least. Yes he will be interred (with his wife) in Novodevichy Cemetery with so many of past Russian greats but currently he’s not a hero among the local citizens. Be interested to see how ‘history’ treats him. Suppose on who gets to write it over time.

    Perhaps it’s because in his rush to embrace ‘capitalism’, he oversaw the sale of public assets to the very, very few for so very, very little. Who then proceeded to flee the country with their massive wealth in tow and become oligarchs living abroad, often in massive yachts. (As an aside, the USA had little compunction in confiscating those floating Palaces in ‘friendly’ ports. So much for private property.)

    TB, when visiting Uncle Ho in Hanoi, it seemed like representatives of all the 54/55 different ethnic groups who populate the nation turned up to give a special welcome. Such were the ‘waits’. And those who didn’t follow the rules were sent to the back of queue.

  237. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 5, 2022 8:58 pm

    The problem(s) of discussing the “events of today” is that we lack reliable information
    What a lot of crap. You’d say anything (even make a fool of yourself) to avoid condemning autocratic regimes.
    Did you see the UN report on Russian war crimes?
    Or the UN report on China’s cruelty to the Uyghurs?
    It’s only lack of willingness to consider the facts that prevents you from condemning brutal regimes.
    …then we have your picky criticism of parliamentary democracy. Apparently its imperfections allow you to prefer and defend autocrats and fascist regimes.
    Did you spruik this babble when you were employed?

  238. September 5, 2022 10:19 pm

    Did you see the 4 Corners Report on Joyce?

    Did they get all the “facts” right tonight? Would you have chosen different “facts”? If so – then why. Are there “wrong” facts? Are there “biased” facts? Are there “selective” facts? Are there “facts” that will emerge in the weeks and months ahead? Remember there was with Gulf of Tonkin and Saddam’s Nuclear Weapons.

    More particularly. Is Joyce a “brutal” boss? (Some of the now unemployed think he was.) What particular “meaning(s)” do you give to brutality? When Biden ordered the killing of X was he being “brutal”? Was it justified? Care to define? Do Empires care about ‘brutality’?

    As always, there will be different interpretations. Different constructions of reality. At least from me. Do you entertain that possibility? Or do you believe in “Truth” (when it comes to “history”)?

    As for “facts’, they are a dime a dozen. (Necessary but NEVER sufficient.) The problem becomes not what “facts” to include but what “facts” to leave out. Or don’t you ever, ever leave any facts out?

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    September 5, 2022 10:30 pm

    And those who didn’t follow the rules were sent to the back of queue.

    LOL! Mmmm I remember my slight brush with the “guards” a cough I think … lovely people tho’ … and Long Tan struck me with the “silence’!

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    September 5, 2022 10:32 pm

    Or don’t you ever, ever leave any facts out?

    That’s a tough comment for Good Lord! ToM!

    😎

  241. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 6, 2022 8:32 am

    MN, if one vote, one value is the goal for the Senate then we might as well abolish it. There is no need to duplicate the lower house. The Senate should be performing a different function.

    There are many things that make us less free. Supra-national bodies like the EU, where the Parliament cannot initiate legislation, are far less answerable to the population whose lives are affected by their decision.

    The capture of significant institutions by the ideological left is massively detrimental to personal freedom. Educational institutions no longer teach people how to think but, rather, what to think.

    Critical race theorists and gender perverts have far too much power and influence. Their main role is to so division and hatred wherever they go. Diversity in everything but ideas.

    The rise of surveillance capitalism and the social media giants make it easier to silence one side of politics. The FBI instructed Facebook to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story before the 202 election and Zuckerbucks spent over $400m on that election to get out the democrat vote.

    The FBI is now a Democrat protection racket, exonerating Clinton, suppressing the Biden laptop and going after Biden’s political enemies – it is all battering rams, machine guns and leg-irons for them.

    Mongrel Larry Fink abuses his control over a massive investment pool to force the stinking ESG agenda on corporations.

    The massive increase in power prices due to Greene energy reforms impoverishes people and the war on fertiliser starves them.

    The technological power to control every aspect of our lives, to know everything and to take everything and to cancel non-conformists will, sooner rather than later, be used by governments in league with major corporations (the very essence of fascism) to ensure compliance with the whims of our new masters.

  242. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 6, 2022 8:48 am

    Ties in with Fuhrer Biden’s hate speech:

    Democrats spend millions on Republican primaries

  243. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 6, 2022 9:02 am

    In a cancel culture world liberty means noting at all:

  244. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 6, 2022 9:08 am

    An imperfect (but representative) democracy is enough reason for MN to excuse fascists
    There was a time that people like MN would have referred to Scandinavian countries as models of stable international relations. No longer, because they (mainly) see the risk of remaining neutral in the face of expanding and ambitious autocracies regimes
    Of course MN knows better

  245. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 6, 2022 10:43 am

    Brave New World:

  246. Tom R permalink
    September 6, 2022 10:44 am

    Some lite readin’ for yomm

  247. Tom R permalink
    September 6, 2022 10:55 am

    But, THE LAPTOP!

  248. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 6, 2022 11:20 am

    I know, right? His crackhead son is the “smartest person” Creepy Joe knows.

  249. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 6, 2022 11:22 am

    Speaking of idiot sons, this shows his 14 year old niece in the bed behind him as he flashes his dong:

  250. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 6, 2022 11:27 am

    Like father, like son, Creepy Joe’s daughter Ashley blamed her sex issues on being forced to shower naked with Joe as a child.

  251. Tom R permalink
    September 6, 2022 11:53 am

    One guy has a creepy son, another has creepy sons and, EMPTY classified document folders (along with the filled ones he hasn’t sold>read read yet)

  252. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 6, 2022 1:50 pm

    So, Tom R, they’ve finally got the bad orange man, eh?

    The Democrat FBI has been after Trump for a long time. First it was Crooked Hillary’s fake dossier that the FBI used to open a failed investigation into Trump followed by the failed Mueller coup followed by two failed impeachments. So far they have come up empty-handed each time.

    The closest they got was Hillary paying Steele to pay Russians to lie about Trump.

    At this stage the DOJ/FBI is just the Democrat’s private Gestapo.

  253. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 6, 2022 2:44 pm

    If Trump has declassified the documents he won’t be in much trouble. Also this is the rule applied to Clinton:

    “Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President’s term and in his sole discretion,” Jackson wrote in her March 2012 decision, which was never appealed.

    “Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office, it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records,” she added.

    Doubtless Trump will be held to a different standard – it’s a two-tier justice system in the US.

  254. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 6, 2022 2:46 pm

    And speaking of Clinton:

  255. Tom R permalink
    September 6, 2022 3:33 pm

    lol splats, did you skip this bit

    “during the President’s term” [facepalm]

  256. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 6, 2022 3:47 pm

    [facepalm]

    Not relevant. The whole point of the Clinton case is that a president doesn’t have to give records up later.

    During Trump’s term he declassified a trove of documents some of which dealt with the FBI’s misconduct. Trump was out of the White House before the end of his term, presumably with his documents which he had, by then, declassified and determined to be personal.

    Anyway, time will tell. Based on her past track record there is no reason to believe that Lisa Monaco and her merry band of Trump-hunters will be any more on target this time than in her previous failed attempts.

  257. Tom R permalink
    September 6, 2022 4:03 pm

    I think that you miss the point where he is able to de-classify them, as President.

    He can’t take home Classified documents and then de-classify them later.

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    September 6, 2022 6:21 pm

    Not relevant.

    Oyez Oyez Oyez … LOL! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    … presumably with his documents … which he had

    Presumably? On the balance of probabilities? Nil … ’cause they aren’t, “his documents”

    Anyway, time will tell.

    Oh, I fkn hope so … 🤡

    Now, about Morrison’s five (or was it six?) ministries?

    Following Trump’s the Republican Playbook … To Anarchy And Beyond … should Snotty resign?

    And …

    With a dodgy Governor General and an equally dodgy PM should Australia become a Republic?

    The USA is already fucked !

  259. September 6, 2022 6:52 pm

    Abolish the Senate by all means. It’s a historical hangover – (an unnecessary check on the ‘public will’. Queensland abolished an Upper House nigh on 100 years ago with no apparent ill effect.)

    Yes many laws can limit freedom, just as many laws can enhance our freedom, Rare to see a sensible discussion re freedom. Even from the USA who shout the word like a mantra across the world but lack any ability to analyse same (as a generalisation.)

    Re – “Educational institutions no longer teach people how to think but, rather, what to think.” Not in my experience! Rather the emphasis is in the other direction. “Rote Learning” (without understanding) used to be the norm, but not now. Father of Conservative educational philosophy was Plato who set the structure of philosophy e.g. Metaphysics, Epistemology and Axiology,

    The progressive side of education is led by the American John Dewey.

    “Critical Race Theory” has its roots in Marxism and anyone who lacks a basic understanding of Marxism can’t go very deep into the Social Sciences, given his insights. His works are seminal.

    Re the FBI – you are aware the the current head, Mr C. Wray, was appointed by Donald Trump! (Did he fuck that up as well?)

    Re “global warming” – much of the original thinking (in the political sphere) can be traced to M Thatcher who was a qualified Chemist(?).

    Cheers!

  260. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 7, 2022 12:23 am

    Now, about Morrison’s five (or was it six?) ministries?

    I have heard about that. What is the issue?

  261. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 7, 2022 8:04 am

    “Re the FBI – you are aware the the current head, Mr C. Wray, was appointed by Donald Trump! (Did he fuck that up as well?)”

    Completely illogical comment MN. (Same error of logic in your Thatcher comment. You are losing the plot.

    I expect that sort of comment from Tom R because he is a troll or TB because he doesn’t get that ad hominem arguments are inherently illogical.

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    September 7, 2022 9:27 am

    ad hominem … again? LOL! You do understand the irony of your comments … ? 🙄

  263. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 7, 2022 9:50 am

    TB, I have tried to set you to rights many times. Unfortunately your of level self-awareness is the same as your ability to make logical arguments – non-existent.

    You seem unable to complete sentences. Even when you attempt arguments you do not seem to understand that stating what you learned in university many decades ago or what your German friend thinks is not even persuasive much less decisive. Sometimes even you are wrong but you will never admit it.

    Although you may aspire to be the elder statesman of this blog your intellectual incontinence is letting you down. You really have become an angry old Biden.

  264. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2022 9:55 am

    Funny that yor last rant against TB was in the context of ad-hom splats 🙂

  265. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 7, 2022 10:18 am

    You don’t get it, do you, Tom R.

    The first two paragraphs laid out the factual premises of my conclusion in the third paragraph.

    None of my arguments are that because a person is TB they are intellectually incontinent (which would be an ad hominem argument). The conclusion of intellectual incontinence arises from the facts I laid out, namely the inability to make logical arguments, the inability to complete sentences and the reliance on ad hominem arguments.

  266. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 7, 2022 10:31 am

  267. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2022 12:38 pm

    You don’t get it, do you, Tom R.

    Still think it’s funny 🙂

  268. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 7, 2022 1:31 pm

    You’re welcome.

  269. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2022 1:47 pm

    🙂

    And if you thought that was funny, this is Hilarious

    😯

  270. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 7, 2022 2:15 pm

    That can’t be true. Merrick Garland stated quite clearly that the Department of Justice will speak through its court filings.

    I’m sure the DoJ would never slander its enemies through strategic leaking. And I’m sure if there were ever any leaks from within the department the offenders would be prosecuted.

    It appears that the main function of the DoJ is the persecution of Biden’s political enemies and treating parents who don’t want their children sexualised by gender perverts as domestic terrorists.

    Anyway, sounds like something on a par with the pee-pee tape.

  271. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2022 2:55 pm

    It appears that the main function of the DoJ is the persecution of Biden’s political enemies

    I mean, if you don’t want to be “persecuted” for stealing highly classified documents, maybe don’t steal highly classified documents?

    Just a thought 😉

  272. TB Queensland permalink
    September 7, 2022 3:01 pm

    That can’t be true.

    Even funnier … 🙄

  273. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 7, 2022 3:20 pm

    “maybe don’t steal highly classified documents”

    You have no proof that he did. Remember your pathetic defence to the bitter end of thieving whore-rooter Craig Thomson? I thought you were committed to waiting for the verdict – innocent until proven guilty. Guess not when it comes to people you don’t like.

    You don’t know whether the documents are highly classified. Apart from the fact that the court hasn’t determined this issue, the DoJ has not (in its court filings) alleged that the documents are classified. It spoke of documents in folders ‘marked classified’. The question for the court is whether they were classified. We will know the answer to that question when the court rules. The same applies is the question of whether Trump ‘stole’ anything.

  274. Tom R permalink
    September 7, 2022 4:13 pm

    innocent until proven guilty

    Just returning the serve 😉

  275. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 7, 2022 4:20 pm

    Just when you thought Our Nick had grown up:

  276. September 7, 2022 4:35 pm

    While Nick might be a ‘loser’, broadly defined. The ‘winner’ is a Russian but we don’t recognise that, at least, on the TV broadcast.

    Following Hitler and the 1936 Olympics?

  277. TB Queensland permalink
    September 7, 2022 6:35 pm

    Just when you thought Our Nick had grown up:

    I never have … he’s a classic Dick … there’s quite a few around …

  278. September 7, 2022 6:47 pm

    Should we tell Nick to go home? Or will Canberra refuse to accept him?

  279. September 7, 2022 8:22 pm

    Ever looked at the stats in the USA re “Deaths Due to Firearms per 100,000 Population by Race/Ethnicity”? (Numbers are for 2020).

    Overall, rates for Whites are at 11.6 (per 100,000) while Blacks are at 31.8 (per 100,000). So Blacks are 2.7 times likely to die from firearms than Whites.

    Looking closer. In Missouri, the Black rate rises to 73.7 (per 100,000) which is 6.3 times the White average.

    Is this an example of “Ethnic Cleansing” by stealth? Or …. Or …

  280. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 7, 2022 9:58 pm

    MN

    Apparently the death rate due to guns is higher if you are involved in criminal activity in the USA. A lot of the deaths are due to people dealing in drugs.

    But if you are not involved in crime the death rate due to firearms is much lower

  281. September 7, 2022 9:58 pm

    While on the subject of human rights (in 2022).

    The mass execution of 81 individual citizens … convicted of a wide range of offences, including “terrorism” … A number of those executed were also convicted of charges such as “disrupting the social fabric and national cohesion” and “participating in and inciting sit-ins and protests”

    Can’t have people “disrupting the social fabric and national cohesion” can we.

    Forty-one of those executed on Saturday are from … a religious minority, This execution spree is all the more chilling in light of a … deeply flawed justice system, which metes out death sentences following trials that are grossly and blatantly unfair, including basing verdicts on “confessions” extracted under torture or other ill-treatment,

    Yes “torture” is to be condemned regardless of where it occurs. No fear or favor.
    Or maybe not?

  282. Tony permalink
    September 7, 2022 10:01 pm

    Is this an example of “Ethnic Cleansing” by stealth? Or …. Or …

    Mostly an example of black on black violence. But, whatever …

  283. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2022 6:50 am

    “Mostly an example of black on black violence. But, whatever …”

    Those black lives don’t matter. What has BLM ever done about this issue?

  284. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2022 8:31 am

    The upside of the BLM corruption is that the unctuous virtue-signallers who donated to the cause have been completely dudded, as befits their gullible stupidity.

  285. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2022 8:35 am

    Have you noticed how virtuous EV drivers are:

    current and future energy scenario predictions show that electric vehicles will produce an increase in fine particulate matter formation (26%), human carcinogenic (20%) and non-carcinogenic toxicity (61%), terrestrial ecotoxicity (31%), freshwater ecotoxicity (39%), and marine ecotoxicity (41%) relative to petrol vehicles.

  286. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2022 10:19 am

    Have you noticed how virtuous EV drivers are:

    Well duh, everything we do has an impact. It’s about minimizing that impact, especially in regards to what is an immediate threat

    Results show that even for cars registered today, battery electric vehicles (BEVs) have by far the lowest life-cycle GHG emissions

    https://theicct.org/publication/a-global-comparison-of-the-life-cycle-greenhouse-gas-emissions-of-combustion-engine-and-electric-passenger-cars/

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2022 11:10 am

    It’s about minimizing that impact …

    Or minimizing the human population … Mother Nature is doing a great job at the moment … an omen perhaps?

    Thought for the day … if people think they are born to lead, they rarely can.

  288. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2022 11:46 am

    Mother Nature is doing a great job at the moment

    Yep, “Being a Green Mother” can be quite exhilarating at times 😉

  289. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2022 1:52 pm

    Very, dangerous stuff!

    Julian Assange … “on the run” since 2012?

    … magnet for foreign spies, former intelligence officials have warned.

    Potentially most disturbing of all, there were papers stamped HCS, Humint Control Systems, involving human intelligence gathered from agents in enemy countries, whose lives would be in danger if their identities were compromised.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/07/mar-a-lago-trump-nuclear-documents-spies

  290. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2022 4:18 pm

    “Very, dangerous stuff!”

    What you are seeing is a corrupt and compromised DoJ selectively leaking (each leak a crime) to control the media narrative through stenographers masquerading as journalists.

    It is no surprise that the utter morons who fell for the Trump Russia hoax are braying the loudest this time around.

    At this stage the DoJ is a protection racket for the Bidens.

    After Using FBI To Suppress Son’s Crimes And Raid Political Rival’s Home, Biden Warns Democracy In Danger

  291. Tom R permalink
    September 8, 2022 4:33 pm

    each leak a crime

    innocent until proven guilty

  292. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2022 6:27 pm

    I know who I’d believe … DoJ or whatsisname …

  293. September 8, 2022 6:34 pm

    Menadue lets fly:

    “Over the next two weeks we will be running a series of articles to focus on the Defence Strategic Review (DSR) which is headed by Sir Angus Houston and the Hon. Stephen Smith.

    In becoming a US proxy, even patsy, we are on a risky and dangerous path.”

    Yes the ‘patsy’ of the USA. A Vassal.

    “… major concern however is that this Review will be dominated by the Washington Club and its derivative media followers with the mistaken but widespread and spurious view that China is a military threat to Australia. The Club is very ignorant of Chinese history. It trash talks and goads China day after day.”

    And Albo is complicit.

    “Our new Prime Minister is also not immune to the anti China infection. His first rushed overseas trip was to join the anti China group at QUAD and NATO.

    As set out in the terms of reference for the Review on Critical information Requirements. ‘the review is to be informed by the intelligence and strategic assessment of the most concerning threats which challenge Australia’s security’.

    It’s clear to everyone that the unstated assumption in setting up this Review is that China is a threat in some undefined way.”

    https://johnmenadue.com/the-defence-strategic-review-and-the-loss-of-australias-strategic-autonomy-to-the-us/

    Given Ferguson’s behavior when brow-beating the Chinese Ambassador was also a disgrace. As Stephen FitzGerald avers:

    “With rude and belligerent tone, and constant interruption, often not allowing him even to finish offering the answers and explanations she said she was seeking, and rudely rejecting answers he did give, in some cases speaking as though she knew China, and much better than anything he might say.”

    https://johnmenadue.com/what-a-contrast-in-professionalism-and-civility-the-7-30-report/

  294. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 8, 2022 8:35 pm

    Mostly an example of black on black violence. But, whatever …

    I lived just outside Washington DC for a while. I was terrified when i made my first trip into DC because DC was getting close to 1 murder/day. I did not want to be an addition to that. It has some nice leafy suburbs but few shops/supermarkets. It is a govt town so most workers drive in but do their shopping outside DC. Of course DC is a black town. I remember walking down one street being the only white person i could see.

    The violence happens in only a small section of DC and it is crime related. Usually buying and selling of drugs. If you are not buying or selling drugs your chances of being shot would be about the same as here.

  295. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2022 8:49 am

  296. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2022 9:52 am

    A tweet that has come back to haunt? the tweeter

  297. Fur Rower Might`Teabag permalink
    September 9, 2022 12:21 pm

    geo politics, and left it to Putin and the CCP ” @Tick

    Those of us that tune in to my abc and watch “thePanda-tonight” (with stan grant) have already seen stan be told by kindly comrade so’n so that they know muppet island deputy sheriff has no defence policy until yankeeland tells them what it is. Folks in kooyong need to wake up and stop believing thePanda or theKgb is as gullible as he is. When is comes to crimea, ukraine etc, nato sleep walked all the way into the disaster despite ‘gorby’ giving them the heads-up decades ago. When it comes to ‘defending’ ukraine, theRealdeal read the yankeeland puppets (nato) correctly, they didn’t have the nads. On ‘readiness’, l have a box of compost worms more ‘battle-ready’ than anything dozey joe or nato are going to bring to the party.`

  298. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2022 12:32 pm

    The logical conclusion of critical race theory:

  299. Fur Rower Might`Teabag permalink
    September 9, 2022 12:46 pm

    ” becoming a US proxy, even patsy ” Too Late. Wrong Tense. @yankeelandPatsy

    l’m knot going to claim all the ‘points’ are wrong meta (johnmenadue), but l think ‘stoopid’ is always overlooked by longformers. Take east timor and solomon, surely looking at muppet island becoming more and more kleptocratic and imbecilic over the last thirty years, why wouldn’t/ shouldn’t they roll the dice with thePanda instead of being sticky taped to the imbeciles running muppet island. You know, the tuncs that won’t stop with the coal, while they go glug glug glug.`

  300. Fur Rower Might`Teabag permalink
    September 9, 2022 12:51 pm

    Q A N T A S

    Did everybody from kooyong see 4corners on my abc this week? (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-: (-:`

  301. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2022 1:31 pm

    Dementia Joe – bumbling idiot:

  302. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2022 2:30 pm

    Splats valiantly googling ‘Draft Version’

  303. September 9, 2022 2:42 pm

    “If you are not buying or selling drugs your chances of being shot would be about the same as here.”

    I think you owe it on yourself, and the rest of us here, to go back and test that theory.

  304. September 9, 2022 2:48 pm

    Re: – “logical conclusion of critical race theory”

    Please explain how the consideration/exploration of a theory must ‘logically’ lead to a supposedly undesirable action(s).

    Is it because the application(s) of this theory leads to some horrible or pleasing ‘facts’ or ‘truth(s)’ that were unknowable beforehand?

    Is it the case that this ‘theory’ is a ‘bad’ theory because it’s not testable?

    Is it the case that this ‘theory’ is not generalisable beyond a limited number of instances?

    Are there ‘better’ theories available? That is, these better theories identify more facts? Or better explain some ‘contradictions’ identified via the application of this critical race theory?

    (As you would be aware, Darwin’s theory of evolution was ‘banned’ by the ‘religious’ for some considerable time because his ‘theory’ was seen to contradict the ‘belief’ that the (perfect) God could create the less than perfect Entity (animal, plant etc). It was heresy! Is ‘critical race theory’ also a ‘heresy’?)

  305. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2022 3:24 pm

    I think you owe it on yourself, and the rest of us here, to go back and test that theory.

    Breaking News. “Incel shot at Chemist Warehouse”

  306. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2022 3:43 pm

    Joe Bite’m:

  307. September 9, 2022 4:16 pm

    So:

    Greens leader Adam Bandt has copped a wave of criticism for calling Australia to become a republic just hours after it was announced that the Queen had died.

    Perhaps NOW is exactly the right time! In the USA, after school massacres, ithe gun lobby invariably assert it’s never the right time to talk about ‘gun reform’. There, of course, there’s never a good (distance) time because gun massacres are such regular occurrences.

    Too many Australian have this addiction to Empires. Seems we can’t live without’em. When will we grow up?

    And just in case some might have forgotten King Charles’ fervent wish:

    Had Morgan dreamt up the storyline and dialogue of Prince Charles telling his then-mistress, Camilla Parker-Bowles, that he wished he could be reincarnated as a tampon, so he could live inside her, the audience would have surely deemed it crass and too far-fetched.

    Dear oh dear! But it’s not too far-fetched that he ‘reigns’ over us.

  308. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2022 4:21 pm

    Biden, living rent free in splats head, is almost worth having him there for 🙂

  309. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2022 4:22 pm

    Keating shows bandt how it’s done

  310. September 9, 2022 4:34 pm

    “Keating shows bandt how it’s done”

    aw, I dunno… Dim Tim’s effort was worthy of a five-year-old.

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

  311. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2022 4:40 pm

    Theories embodying concepts such as white privilege are essentially divisive. They result in assertions of collective guilt:

    Students ‘shamed’ in Melbourne high school for being white, Christian, privileged males

  312. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2022 4:42 pm

    … almost worth … ’tis dreary in the extreme …

  313. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2022 4:47 pm

    It’s not Biden per se, Tom R. More that he is the best the Democrats had to offer in 2020. It’s a worry.

  314. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2022 5:01 pm

    … aw, I dunno…

    And I thought, Warnies “obituaries” were tedious … thank christ, I’m busy editing video at the moment (big 50 for a family member) … at least I have something to keep me busy.

    I do wish someone would … please … logically explain to me the “value” of having a Head of State half way round the world “born to rule”. Just what do they do apart from filling the gossip columns every day and costing this country the upkeep of six state governors and a Federal governor general …

    And how many homeless veteran could we get off the streets with that wasted money. Or King Charles III could chip in from the half a trillion she left him …

    Wonder if Charles will turn out to be a jinxed name for an English king?

  315. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2022 5:05 pm

    Yes they really are:

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2022 5:06 pm

    More that he is the best the Democrats had to offer in 2020. It’s a worry.

    Bit like yer mate, Donny … the USA is fucked anyway.

  317. September 9, 2022 5:20 pm

    So

    Theories embodying concepts such as white privilege are essentially divisive …

    That “white privilege” existed in the era of slavery is accepted? But not to be discussed? To be kept hidden? Isn’t that a perversion of what History should be about? What about the “holocaust”? What about Aboriginal massacres?

    Isn’t “theory” always a priori “fact”. So no “theory” then “no fact”. Wouldn’t that be tantamount to “indoctrination” by “omission”?

    Isn’t “capitalism” by its very nature divisive?

    Getting a better understanding of why what passes for “education” in certain American States is so corrupted and corrupting. Becoming clearer as to why Trump is taken seriously over there but not here. (Then again we do have Hanson.)

  318. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2022 5:58 pm

    Yes they really are:

    Did you (are he) read the thread?

    Thought not.

  319. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2022 6:01 pm

    Dim Tim’s effort was worthy of a five-year-old.

    He really is a special case, that one 😦

    I often wonder if he’s related to nil?

  320. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2022 6:15 pm

    John Menadue is so contemporary.
    * Failed business executive
    * Hasn’t had a job for decades
    * 90 years old
    * Embittered

  321. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2022 6:25 pm

    Thought not.

    Well said, TR, I couldn’t read until I was seven. But then as my mother said, “he reads everything, even the sauce bottles and the cereal boxes!” I’ve never stopped … but there’s so fkn much!

    Half my career was research (for workplace/management training and assessment) … I once left a job (in insurance) because my supervisor gave me a text to read, (was having trouble closing – as an insurance rep) marked with a paperclip, I read from the beginning of the book – religious nonsense … I resigned on Monday!

    Always read – everything!

  322. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2022 6:29 pm

    Isn’t “capitalism” by its very nature divisive?

    Not if its made you disgustingly rich … at the expense of the working class (it does exist – sorry sucking eggs stuff)) … just ask Alan Joyce AKA Good Lord! ToM!

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2022 6:32 pm

    Bugger! There goes another comedy show!

    Clive Palmer’s United Australia party deregistered but lone senator says he still represents it

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/sep/09/clive-palmers-united-australia-party-deregistered-but-lone-senator-says-he-still-represents-it

  324. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2022 6:34 pm

    Luckily this satire continues!

    Qantas boss Alan Joyce nets $287k pay rise despite airline’s woes

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/09/qantas-boss-alan-joyce-nets-287k-pay-rise-despite-airlines-woes

  325. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2022 6:39 pm

    Now this is Australian journalism at its best …

    The total value of his pay packet rose from $5,288,000 in 2021 to $5,575,000 this year, mainly because Joyce’s base pay returned to its pre-pandemic level of a little over $2.1m after two years in which he voluntarily took a cut due to the Covid-19 pandemic, which grounded the airline’s fleet of planes.

    In case you missed it, Good Lord! ToM!

    … after two years in which he voluntarily took a cut due to the Covid-19 pandemic, which grounded the airline’s fleet of planes.

    … so it was AJ’s pay cut! That grounded the fleet!

    😎

  326. September 10, 2022 4:31 pm

    Splatterbottom from your link.

    The social worker spoke about privilege, pronouns and intersectionality.

    Yes in many societies there is evidence of “privilege”, differential use of “pronouns” and if a more equitable society is a desirable social aim then discussing the concept of “intersectionality” seems relevant.

    (Should point out that in some schools in the USA, recognising/discussing the reality of “slavery” is not permitted – presumably in the hope that the “past” will simply disappear. It doesn’t!)

    And in our society, “privilege” etc is not universally enjoyed (otherwise it would not be “privilege”.) So who did the Social Worker (allegedly) identify (probably as an example)?

    … boys who were straight, white and Christian to stand up in front of their peers

    Seems to me that the Social Worker was pretty much on the mark. Or should the Social Worker have adopted a different strategy to identify the “underprivileged” black kids and have no-one on their feet – which would probably have been the case in a school like that? And miss the opportunity to promote conceptual growth?

    Let’s be thankful that we don’t have parent involvement along the lines of the American model. While there’s much to admire about the USA, in the educational field in some States, it’s anti-educational.

  327. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 10, 2022 4:54 pm

    I am glad the ALP and Greens are seen to be together on most issues. How good is that?

    But why the hatred from The Greens and from “the left” of politics about The Queens death?

  328. September 10, 2022 5:01 pm

    ToM – Menadue always was an intellectual giant. That’s why his talents were always in demand not only across both the public and private sectors but also within those sectors. Look at his CV (summary only).

    Order of Australia (AO) for public service. Japanese Imperial Award, (The Grand Cordon of the Order of the Sacred Treasure (Kun-itto Zuiho-sho), the highest honour awarded to foreigners who are not head of state or head of government.) Centenary Medal ‘for service to Australian society through public service leadership’.

    Distinguished Alumni Award – lifelong contribution to Australian society as a Public Servant, Diplomat, Critical Thinker, Board Director, Advisor and Public Commentator.

    Private Secretary to Gough Whitlam. General Manager, News Limited , publisher of ‘The Australian’. Head of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet. Worked for Malcolm Fraser.

    Australian Ambassador to Japan. Head, Department of Immigration and Ethnic Affairs. Head of the Department of Trade . Chief Executive Officer of Qantas.

    Etc, etc.

    In complete contrast, there’s Alan Joyce who is now best known for his administrative stuff ups earning him the nick name of “Mister Missing Baggage”.

  329. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2022 8:47 am

    Menadue might be intelligent. Many of useless people are.
    Mainstream airline people saw him as “quirky” if they were being kind and “f**king weird” if they were being direct
    He’s a whinger who would prefer to-
    * Divide countries that have a common interest in resisting the spread of autocratic regimes
    * Blame western democracies for every offense taken by those regimes

  330. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2022 10:08 am

    If only Ukraine had surrendered 6 months ago, as MN wanted
    If only the west hadn’t supported Ukraine, as MN wanted.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-11/russian-grip-on-northeast-ukraine-collapses-after-kyiv-severs-su/101426946

  331. September 11, 2022 11:53 am

    If only Nuland hadn’t organised the ‘coup’ in 2014.

    If only NATO hadn’t began arming and training ‘recruits’ in Ukraine in 2014.

    If only the Americans had kept their promise re NATO non-expansion.

    So many “if only” hypotheticals … including so many un-necessary deaths to expand the American Empire.

  332. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2022 12:10 pm

    The “coup” narrative is the most stupid, bizarre and discredited one I can recall
    It is the domain of the most ridiculous anti western democracy conspiracy theorists
    Try some facts –
    Former president Yanukovych tried to join the Russian trade zone, against his commitment and against the direction of the parliament
    * The Ukraine legislature voted 328 to ZERO to remove him. Yanukovych couldn’t muster a single vote!
    * The public had elected representatives to seek to join the EU, and saw other former Russian colonies improving their standard of living and democratic rights.
    You have completely lost the plot.

  333. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2022 2:00 pm

    Alan Joyce won’t be happy!

    A public holiday for QEII funeral, and, I’ll bet sixpence to a strawberry … another for the Coronation, for KCIII …

    Printers and stationers will have a bumper year around the world!

    As for the silliness of QC to KC (and all that involves) why not simply leave it at QC and call ’em Qualified Counsel … forever an a day.

    ‘Tis all medieval nonsense in the world of science fiction …

  334. September 11, 2022 3:25 pm

    As always – it’s no link ToM. Just unsupported claims. No refutations of points put by experts in the field.

    Sucked in by the claim that Saddam had nuclear weapons. Lol. Believed it then and believes it now.

    And while it doesn’t get a mention in the MSM, informed commentary puts (neo-con) Newland at the centre of overthrows in Ukraine which was long regarded as the most corrupt in Europe. (Sources provided).

    Nuland magically vanished from the headlines after the post-coup phase of the now decade old Ukraine fiasco. Recall that Nuland, an abrasive neo-conservative, was instrumental in the 2016 Maidan coup which overthrew Viktor Yanukovych and a Ukrainian regime that dared to look East to Moscow as a potential ally.

    Recall also, when Ms. Nuland was queried about European concerns, she replied; “Fuck the EU.”

    https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/ukraine-tale-two-victorias

    Then there’s Jeffrey D. Sachs (adviser to three UN Secretaries-General, and currently serves as an SDG Advocate under Secretary-General António Guterres.)

    .. war in Ukraine is the culmination of a 30-year project of the American neoconservative movement. The Biden Administration is packed with the same neocons who championed the US wars of choice in Serbia (1999), Afghanistan (2001), Iraq (2003), Syria (2011), Libya (2011), and who did so much to provoke Russia’s invasion of Ukraine … Biden has staffed his team with neocons.

    … The United Nations is to be used by the US only when useful for US purposes. … called for extending the US-led security network to the Central and Eastern Europe despite the explicit promise by German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher in 1990 that German unification would not be followed by NATO’s eastward enlargement.

    And so it goes. But some believe that “history” (if it didn’t begin yesterday – matters not).

    viewed Ukraine’s NATO membership as key to US regional and global dominance. Robert Kagan spelled out the neocon case for NATO enlargement in April 2006: …

    Nuland has been the neocon operative par excellence. In addition to serving as Bush’s Ambassador to NATO, Nuland was Barack Obama’s Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs during 2013-17, where she participated in the overthrow of Ukraine’s pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych, and now serves as Biden’s Undersecretary of State guiding US policy vis-à-vis the war in Ukraine.

    https://www.other-news.info/ukraine-is-the-latest-neocon-disaster/

    Still can’t understand why some prefer to wallow in ignorance.

  335. September 11, 2022 4:03 pm

    Then there’s the issue of whether “democracy” is the best form of government?

    Democracy is hard work and requires a lot from those who participate in it. … asks citizens to be able to sift through large amounts of information and process the good from the bad, the true from the false. It requires thoughtfulness, discipline and logic.

    Unfortunately, evolution did not favor the exercise of these qualities in the context of a modern mass democracy

    Is the average (and the ‘below average’) up to the task? Prepared to do the work? Capable of developing a “critical perspective”? Are our brains built for it?

    The USA Founding Fathers in the USA left only one half of one branch of the federal government in the hands of the people. When the populace makes political decisions on their own they drift toward the simple solutions right-wing populists worldwide offer: a lethal mix of xenophobia, racism and authoritarianism.

    In Australia, the most powerful person (the PM) is not the result of a popular vote. And neither is ANY Cabinet Minister. Indeed the entire Executive Branch is not the result of a popular vote.

    How Morrison arrived and then behaved should be a cause for reflection. But that is unlikely.

  336. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2022 4:37 pm

    Here’s the challenge, because you’re incapable of establishing facts independently.
    Find one of these statements that are incorrect –
    * Yanukovych sought to join the Russian trade zone, against the commitment of the legislature
    * The legislature already had a process in place to join the EU
    * The Ukraine legislature voted 338 to ZERO to remove him from office
    * He couldn’t get a single vote in support
    * There is not a single former Warsaw Pact country that now supports Russia
    * Every one of them shuns the autocratic regime
    You’re a complete loser MN, because anyone can find an expert to reinforce their perspective, but only fuckwits think links are conclusive

  337. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2022 5:13 pm

    And so it goes. But some believe that “history” (if it didn’t begin yesterday – matters not).

    Agree. Although “only the victors write it” according to WC … but eventually the “truth” will out …

    Then there’s the issue of whether “democracy” is the best form of government?

    Best of luck with that … once again WC (quoting “someone said”)… “it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…”

    Australia, the most powerful person (the PM)

    But is she/he? If so why have a Head of State halfway round the world … ’tis all nonsense … why have a HoS other than the PM – voted for by the people …

    And in this electronic age, more referendums …

    Here’s the challenge, because you’re incapable of establishing facts independently.

    Good Lord! ToM! You are aware of the term “psychological projection”?

    You’re a complete loser MN, because anyone can find an expert to reinforce their perspective, but only fuckwits think links are conclusive

    Tut! Tut! Now you’re sounding like an Irish leprechaun … 👀

  338. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2022 5:49 pm

    I realise you’ll have trouble understanding this TB, but intelligent people read widely, consider the information,
    distill this to form views and are then capable of expressing this (in their own words)
    Only the very dull and lazy try crap like- ” here’s an expert that I agree with. Read/watch this and you’ll understand”
    That’s lazy, arrogant, stupid bullshit

  339. September 11, 2022 9:45 pm

    Dear oh dear, ToM seems to have lost his temper. That will never do. So where to begin? Perhaps best if we begin with the beginning of ‘the challenge’.

    Find one of these statements that are (sic) incorrect

    Yes the subject of this sentence is “one” which is ‘singular’ (in number) so it follows that the verb should also be ‘singular’. And “are” isn’t a singular verb. But ToM (in his own words) can’t seem to handle that. In short – the verb should be ‘is’ which would then make it grammatically ‘correct’.

    So that’s the first statement and lo and behold it’s incorrect. That in itself should be game, set and match. Lol. But wait there’s more. Indeed much more.

    There is not a single former Warsaw Pact country that now supports Russia

    Really? Are you sure? Want a second attempt? Not a ‘single’? Certainly would come as an historical surprise in Minsk (the capital and beautiful city) to find that Belarus wasn’t a member of the Warsaw Pact and now they don’t support Russia. (Widely read is our ToM. Lol)

    (Should make a significant point. By way of example. on the surface, it might appear that Australia supported America’s (illegal) invasion of Iraq. After all it’s what Vassals do. But it was the Australian Government that supported the illegal invasion of Iraq and many other atrocities, because the Citizens were never consulted. And if they had? The polls at the time indicated a significant lack of popular support? So much for our democracy. So much for “making” the big decisions”)

    Then there’s something in similar vein

    Every one of them shuns the autocratic regime

    Note – “every one” implies “without exception”. And needless to say there is an exception. (Look above.)

    So if I am the “complete loser” ToM, where do you fit in? Perhaps “lazy” and “arrogant” AND expressing “bullshit”. “Projecting” again? Time to retire!

  340. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2022 10:05 pm

    MN, you really are a stupid fucking idiot
    Belarus was part of the Soviet Union. It wasn’t a country that was signatory to the Warsaw Pact.
    Why do you think I expressed the point as I did
    All you do is prove to be a smart arse, and not one that is very smart.

  341. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2022 10:13 pm

    And so much for your bullshit about a 2014 “coup”

  342. September 11, 2022 10:39 pm

    Re:

    really are a stupid fucking idiot

    Perhaps you have a link? Lol. Or is it more “projection”?

    Then there’s this:

    It wasn’t a country that was signatory to the Warsaw Pact.

    Who said it was? Here’s your original statement:

    There is not a single former Warsaw Pact country that now supports Russia

    So does one take you at your original word? Or the revised version? So was Belarus a member of the Warsaw Pact or not?

    Do you want a link or not? (The evidence suggests that you’re not into reading links or if you do you have trouble with comprehension.)

    Dumb C*NT! (Apparently you only understand crudities so …)

  343. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2022 10:44 pm

    Semantics to weasel out of your stupidity regarding a 2014 “coup”
    As for Belarus, all you have to do is find something that lists them as a country that was a signatory to the Warsaw Pact.
    Otherwise you’re proving you don’t understand the structure of the USSR, or the Warsaw Pact.
    “A useful idiot”

  344. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2022 10:54 am

    Do you want a link or not? (The evidence suggests that you’re not into reading links or if you do you have trouble with comprehension.)

    LOL! Welcome aboard, MN! 😎

  345. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 12, 2022 10:57 am

    Seems to me that the Social Worker was pretty much on the mark. Or should the Social Worker have adopted a different strategy to identify the “underprivileged” black kids and have no-one on their feet – which would probably have been the case in a school like that? And miss the opportunity to promote conceptual growth?

    So the answer to racism is more racism?

    Not many people get off on shaming children like you do. A person needs to be both vile and stupid to think that collective attributions of guilt and virtue are a sane thing to do. And to do it on the basis of race exposes the proponents for what they are – disgusting racists.

  346. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2022 3:12 pm

    The Russian invasion of Ukraine is Putin’s vanity project. The miilitary won’t give their lives for this futile invasion of their neighbour.
    They know they’re not defending their own country, they know it’s about how Putin sees his place in history. It is the result of his hubris and arrogance.
    That’s why the men won’t die for Putin’s war.
    Do they want to become “worm food” for Putin?
    They’re answering -NO!

  347. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2022 5:42 pm

    So the answer to racism is more racism?

    What racism exactly?

  348. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2022 6:31 pm

    Not many people get off on shaming children like you do.

    To whom are you referring?

  349. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2022 6:39 pm

    … invasion of Ukraine is Putin’s vanity project

    Yep, sort of … its certainly not in the style of Napoleon, Hitler or Stalin … at least they had a (twisted) sense of “working for the people” … that just got out of hand …

    The mi Soldiers can’t just resign litary won’t give their lives for this futile invasion of their neighbour.

    A lot have …

    That’s why the men won’t die for Putin’s war.

    You’ve never worn a uniform, have you? Soldiers can’t just resign … conscripts in particular … refuse and they are jailed …

  350. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2022 6:47 pm

    https://inqld.com.au/news/2022/09/12/video-update-business-raises-concerns-over-day-of-mourning-holiday/

    LOL! Can’t stop the paid slave industry just for …. money, money money … a funeral … long live, The Robber Barons! Mmmm great name for a band …

    Did you know that workers can be refused a break (even for a toilet break) unless they work over five hours! And they want to encourage pensioners back to work!

  351. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 13, 2022 7:57 am

    “What racism exactly?

    Students ‘shamed’ in Melbourne high school for being white, Christian, privileged males

    “To whom are you referring?”

    The mongrel social worker who did the above and those who support that racism like MN.

  352. Tom R permalink
    September 13, 2022 11:25 am

    During the presentation, the social worker is alleged to have asked for boys who were straight, white and Christian to stand up in front of their peers.

    They were then told they were responsible for being “oppressors” because of their privilege.

    Is there something incorrect with that statement? Are they being prejudiced against, discriminated against, or antagonised?

    No, they are being taught that this is a simple fact simply because of their privilege

  353. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 13, 2022 12:21 pm

    So we talk about the causes of mental health issues in youth, including-
    * Increased stress, fear, and anxiety.
    * Negative environment
    * Child mistreatment
    * Conflict.
    * Loss of school, sport, community routine.
    * Loss of supportive relationships
    …but we tell them they’re “oppressors” and that’s a good idea?

  354. Tom R permalink
    September 13, 2022 12:44 pm

    and that’s a good idea?

    Yea, just teach ’em the nice stuff

  355. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 13, 2022 2:47 pm

    “Is there something incorrect with that statement?”

    All of it is a lie. And it is child abuse.

    It would be more accurate to tell them that they are being humiliated because vile people with far too much power and neither intelligence nor integrity get off on this sort of thing.

    And then their oppressor, the social worker, should be required to pay damages to each child it humiliated.

  356. Tom R permalink
    September 13, 2022 3:19 pm

    All of it is a lie.

    How so? It’s fairly accepted fact that straight, white and Christian males are, by the simple fact of being straight, white and Christian males, are priviliged. Do you disagree? If so, how, why?

  357. Tony permalink
    September 13, 2022 3:52 pm

    It’s fairly accepted fact

    Lol!

  358. Tom R permalink
    September 13, 2022 4:38 pm

    It’s fairly accepted fact

    NOTE:, except by straight, white and Christian males 😉

  359. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 13, 2022 4:38 pm

    “It’s fairly accepted fact” not by anyone sane. You are such a bad troll today. You have to appear to be a little bit credible to achieve your trollish goals.

  360. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    September 13, 2022 4:44 pm

    ToSY with his “Straight, White Christian Males Lives Matter” banner.

  361. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    September 13, 2022 4:46 pm

    “You are such a bad troll today”

    Shouldn’t you be protesting outside an abortion clinic somewhere..?

  362. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 13, 2022 5:25 pm

    I prefer to disport my heinous anus here today!

  363. September 13, 2022 7:20 pm

    Should parent(s) have the right to determine directly what should (or shouldn’t) be in the curriculum?

  364. Tom R permalink
    September 13, 2022 9:24 pm

    I prefer to disport my heinous anus here today!

    Yor efforts do not go unnoticed 😉

    Should parent(s) have the right to determine directly what should (or shouldn’t) be in the curriculum?

    Hint. yomm is a parent 😯

  365. September 13, 2022 9:36 pm

    What about the parent who wants the child to be taught that 2 + 2 = 5?

    What about the parent who doesn’t want “slavery” (the when, where, how, why and consequences) to be studied in an American History course?

    What about the parent who doesn’t want Darwin’s Theory of Evolution to be included in the biology curriculum?

    What about the parent who wants “intelligent design” included in the biology curriculum (for reasons of ‘balance’)?

  366. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 14, 2022 9:15 am

    The curriculum is full of arrant nonsense peddled by race-haters and gender perverts. The parents have every right to demand the rejection of racist history and the teaching of basic biology.

  367. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 14, 2022 9:17 am

  368. Tom R permalink
    September 14, 2022 9:59 am

    What about the parent who wants the child to be taught that 2 + 2 = 5?

    Send ’em to a xtian school

  369. September 14, 2022 11:55 am

    If you only read one article this week, make it this one…

    https://theshot.net.au/general-news/a-message-from-the-governor-general-the-media-is-the-message/

  370. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2022 12:44 pm

    Very well written article, reb! And so very true about sloppy journalism (or controlled!).

    Imagine if Snotty had been returned … and the GG “given” his cash! How close to a coup was that! Power, money and influence … just another far flung “branch” of the Empire controlled by The Firm and run by that bad tempered old bastard Charlie …

    The latest news is that Harry is “not allowed” to wear his uniform* to the bloody funeral … but Andy Pandy can! (‘Cause the kiddie fiddler was the Queen’s favorite ???”) Working or not they are BOTH born to rule princes)

    What a fucking circus of micromanaging clowns … finger on the pulse my arse!

    * He served for ten years with two deployments to Afghanistan

  371. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2022 2:48 pm

    Putin has failed on each of his objectives. He sought –
    * Regime change in Ukraine
    * Weakening and dividing of NATO
    * Re-establishing of Russian prestige
    FAIL ON EACH
    If he tries to escalate, he will lose the support of China.
    They don’t want nuclear war over a Russian border dispute.
    Putin must now look for a face saving outcome and negotiate

  372. September 14, 2022 3:01 pm

    While the GG is there to do exactly as ordered (by the PM), there’s nothing like some insurance but ‘millions’ seems a tad too much. Lol.

    A particular sentence from the article caught the eye.

    Quality information is available everywhere, at any time, in any type of forum.

    Indeed! Except of course when it’s not (available). Developments in the USA illustrate the point.

    Sep 14, 2022 The U.S. State Department recently quietly announced that it will no longer issue annual reports on the sale and movement of munitions to foreign countries. A little-noticed clause in the most recent National Defense Authorization Act allows the State Department to pull this cloak across weapons sales.

    Many are observing that this change is taking place just as the U.S. is shipping billions of dollars in arms to Ukraine, arms which don’t always wind up in the intended hands.

    One wonders why the name Igor Kolomoisky doesn’t surface much these days.

    Guess the result of the coming ‘mid-terms’ might be affected if the punters knew how much is being spent in Ukraine, particularly after the fiasco in Afghanistan. Why, the Citizens may even want something done about the US’s crumbling infrastructure and non-existent (national) health system.

  373. Tom R permalink
    September 14, 2022 4:16 pm

    lol, Vic has it all

  374. September 14, 2022 4:43 pm

    And for those who don’t know who Igor Kolomoisky is. From the ‘right-wing’ The Spectator.

    … one of the most notorious oligarchs out of the former Soviet space oversaw a trans-national money laundering scheme of historic proportions … a Ukrainian national named Ihor Kolomoisky, steered one of the biggest Ponzi schemes in world history, …

    Kolomoisky seized asset after asset across Ukraine, reportedly paying off local judges and magistrates in the process … when Russian troops first began pushing into Ukraine, the oligarch then refashioned himself into a supporter of Ukrainian statehood.

    Kolomoisky found it all too easy to hide his money for years. The U.S. directly sanctioned Kolomoisky in early 2021, announcing his ‘involvement in significant corruption.’ ..

    And here’s the interesting bit from an historical perspective.

    Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine’s now President, would not be where he is today without Kolomoisky. As an actor and entertainer, Zelensky had worked for Kolomoisky’s media network — which then gave him form support when he stood as a candidate.

    Zelensky was seen as the Kolomoisky candidate: he appointed one of Kolomoisky’s lawyers as an adviser, and held meetings with the controversial oligarch even as he campaigned as the ‘anti-oligarch’. In early 2021, Zelensky reportedly breached his own Covid lockdown rules to have a birthday party in Kolomoisky’s Kyiv apartment.

    The ‘lawyer he appointed as an advisor’, is now his Number 1 (Chief Adviser) even though Kolomoisky himself is no longer on center stage

    They have a habit of “clipping the ticket” in Ukraine. Will all this money prove tempting?

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-is-ihor-kolomoisky-

  375. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 14, 2022 5:13 pm

    After destroying our car industry last time in power, Labor will most probably destroy our oil and gas industry this time.

    Former Pacific leaders have called on the Australian government to stop “contradicting” itself on climate action.

    The Australian government is hoping to host COP 29 in 2024, but former Kiribati president Anote Tong said it would be “wrong”, considering the current continued support for new oil and gas projects.

    Mr Tong and his fellow Pacific Elders Voice colleague Thomas Remengesau Jr – the former president of Palau – have spent time in Canberra this week meeting with government, opposition, and crossbench MPs and senators.

  376. Tom R permalink
    September 14, 2022 5:25 pm

    One even yomm would approve of

  377. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2022 6:40 pm

    More MN
    * Asia thinks…
    * A coup in Ukraine in 2014
    * Belarus was a signatory to the Warsaw Pact
    * Menadue says…
    * USA made Russia invade Ukraine
    What a record

  378. September 14, 2022 10:01 pm

    The war located in Ukraine between Russia and the United States is now becoming much more serious. Until recent times, the Russian rules of engagement ruled out the targeting of ‘civilian’ infrastructure (broadly defined).

    That didn’t mean that such infrastructure wasn’t damaged. It was. But it wasn’t targeted. That’s now changed. Russia disabled nearly 50% of the electrical network in the latest series of attacks. And it wasn’t accidental.

    It’s now a new ‘ball game’. Seems like the metaphorical gloves are off and the rules of engagement have changed. Where it ends, no-one knows. But we know which Nation will be the likely loser.

    Predictable and predicted.

    Let’s hope that Turkey (a NATO member) which is still doing some negotiating has more success this time around.

  379. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 14, 2022 10:30 pm

    Russia has targetted schools, hospitals and shopping centres for the duration.
    I haven’t noticed much concern expressed by you
    Now you’re more bothered about the poles and wires being bombed.
    Another remarkable observation from you

  380. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2022 10:34 pm

    Now you’re more bothered about the poles and wires being bombed.

    You’ve spent a winter on the European continent, m’lard?

  381. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 15, 2022 8:42 am

    Time to take up chess again – time to dust off the “prostate massager” and “wireless anal beads”:

    Huge chess world upset of grandmaster sparks wild claims of cheating — with vibrating sex toy

  382. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 15, 2022 8:57 am

    Critical race theory in action – privileged white male gets what’s coming to him:

  383. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2022 10:33 am

  384. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 15, 2022 10:48 am

    The point is that teaching people that all whites are oppressors enables the behaviour in the video.

    Also, DoJ is happy to involve itself in arguments at school board meetings which are way less violent than the hate crime depicted above.

  385. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2022 11:10 am

    enables the behaviour in the video.

    lol, that didn’t look like a Melbourne school 😉

    DoJ is happy to involve itself in arguments at school board meetings

  386. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2022 2:00 pm

    Ita’s BAC. (How embarrassment)

  387. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2022 6:05 pm

    Bloody Hell! The Queen’s died!

    Did anyone here know?

  388. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 15, 2022 8:06 pm

    If you only read one article this week, make it this one…

    OK i read it. What was Morrisson’s motive? Is the author trying to say the former PM was trying to bribe the Governor General?

    What gets me about most lefties is that they do not care about the truth. I have no idea what the former PM did was right or wrong. But if it was a Labor PM, Salt would have said what a great idea.

  389. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 16, 2022 8:58 am

    This has the ring of truth about it:

    Male feminists more than twice as likely as non-feminist men to use erectile dysfunction meds, shocking study 2022

  390. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 16, 2022 9:01 am

    Wokesters gonna woke, TB:

    “Woke: The state of being a constantly-offended Social Justice Warrior.”

  391. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 16, 2022 9:10 am

  392. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2022 9:53 am

    “Woke: The state of being a constantly-offended Social Justice Warrior.”

    Says the warrior who is constantly posting random snippets of people offended by social justice 😆

    Nice one wokebottom 😉

  393. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2022 10:24 am

    “I don’t think, I know”

  394. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2022 10:42 am

    Is the author trying to say the former PM was trying to bribe the Governor General?

    nuthen gets past nil these days, does it 😉

  395. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 16, 2022 11:32 am

    I see the ABC has sent 27 people to London to cover the the QE funeral.
    What great use of taxpayer funds

  396. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2022 11:41 am

    Ita knows how to use cut backs

  397. September 16, 2022 12:56 pm

    Crikey reports:

    the ABC sent to the UK to cover the death and funeral of Elizabeth II? It’s 27, according to the ABC — plus two extra journalists or former journalists who were coincidentally in Europe at the time, who have been roped in to help, including veteran correspondent Phil Williams,

    In more detail:

    “ABC News has a team of ‘around’ 12 journalists and nine production staff in the UK, it says. But ABC Radio has also sent six people — three presenters (we’re told Virginia Trioli and Raf Epstein from ABC Melbourne and Richard Glover, ABC Sydney Drive host) and three production people. Crikey has been told Trioli, Epstein and Glover travelled business class, but the ABC declined to confirm this.”

    And with Gillard on the ABC this morning asserting that: Now’s not the time to discuss the move to a Republic the rumor that she will be appointed the next High Commissioner to the United Kingdom gains strength.

    While on the subject of Gillard, it’s worth pointing out that (in addition to the Naplan fiasco):

    As part of the deal to lock in an Obama visit, Gillard agreed to the rotation of Marines through Darwin with US hopes for more future basing in Perth and Cocos-Keeling.

    This was the real door opening for the Americans to expand their Empire ‘down under’.

  398. Tom R permalink
    September 16, 2022 1:22 pm

    This was the real door opening for the Americans to expand their Empire ‘down under’.

    Yea, that bird had flown years before that. Once they had Pine Gap, we were toast

  399. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 16, 2022 1:47 pm

    It’s always amazes me that so many are opposed to the notion of countries with broadly similar systems of government, similar democratic values, similar threads to this… dislike having a collective approach and co-operation between nations.
    Meanwhile apparently the meeting between Putin and Xi didn’t get a result for Putin. He has some explaining to do.
    If Putin is losing the support of the CCP, he’s lost.

  400. September 16, 2022 2:46 pm

    Re:

    the meeting between Putin and Xi didn’t get a result for Putin.

    Presumably you weren’t (physically) there so you must have read (or heard) it somewhere. Believe it or not, the source(s) is/are of importance. (Not all sources have the same credibility.)

    So which particular meeting are you referring to? When did it occur? And who’s doing the reporting? And most importantly, what was this ‘result’ that Putin wanted?

    Earlier you claimed that Putin had “three objectives”. But they are just your opinion(s) – without a supporting link. And besides you missed the crucial objective that Putin’s been espousing since 2004 (read the links provided) and reported by Merkel, the USA Ambassador to Russia et al, since that time.

    Further, most of the ‘professionals’ in this field say it’s crucial to any ‘settlement’.

  401. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 16, 2022 3:05 pm

    Google it if you’re interested.
    Putin said he had questions to answer.
    Putin has successfully started an Israel vs Palestine style war right on his doorstep, within a couple of hours of Moscow.
    Does John Menadue and his mates have anything to say about that? Best you check

  402. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2022 8:39 am

    Here’s a book worth reading, methinks.

    The Divider: Trump in the White House, 2017-2021

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/sep/16/the-divider-review-donald-trump-peter-baker-susan-glasser

  403. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2022 8:58 am

    The quality of Russian equipment on display for Putin-

  404. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 19, 2022 8:24 am

    Trash talk:

  405. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 20, 2022 11:20 am

    Biden Tearfully Gives Queen One Final Sniff

  406. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2022 11:59 am

    So proud of our media

  407. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 20, 2022 4:17 pm

    From Russia with love – white phosphorus:

  408. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2022 9:05 am

    Trump legal team admits possibility that ex-president could be charged

    That be should not could … the farce continues … Monday might just break the dam of lies and deceit … there will still be believers … and deceivers … so much for Yankee democracy … or rather Confederate democracy …

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/20/trump-lawyers-charges-documents-fbi-mar-a-lago

  409. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2022 9:09 am

    Liz Truss urges world leaders to follow UK with trickle down economics

    It don’t work, Liz … its actually suck it dry economics … stupid is …

  410. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2022 9:24 am

    Even professors catch up eventually …

    What is not great is how our lives and our futures are increasingly dependent on the power and generosity of the rich elite, rather than ruled by the common will of the people. As a global society, we can’t stand back and hope that future billionaires decide to give away their wealth in the service of the planet – there is far too little time left for far-fetched luxuries like that.

    I was amused to read …

    … like the robber barons of old, the global elite are queueing up to give away their fortunes to good causes ….

    … not sure they actually – “give away their fortunes”?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/20/patagonia-billion-dollar-climate-initiative-philanthropy

  411. Tom R permalink
    September 21, 2022 11:23 am

    I’ve just realised why ‘trickle down’ is trending again. For a good reason this time 🙂

  412. Tom R permalink
    September 21, 2022 11:52 am

    … not sure they actually – “give away their fortunes”?

    What gave it away?
    Holdfast is an organisation recognised as tax-exempt under the US Internal Revenue code 501(c)(4). This means that, unlike public charities, it is legally allowed to engage in political activity.

  413. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 21, 2022 12:31 pm

    Biden thinks trickle down economics is about his faecal treacle trickling down his leg.

  414. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 21, 2022 12:37 pm

    Typical Democrat:

  415. September 21, 2022 2:04 pm

    Are we over celebrating the arrival of CHUCK the TURD?

    Was Albo ever a Republican?

    So many significant questions to ponder.

  416. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 21, 2022 2:50 pm

    The real Chuck Turd:

  417. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 21, 2022 2:57 pm

    “” It don’t work, Liz … its actually suck it dry economics … stupid is … “”

    OK we should do higher taxes and more govt deficit spending. That should work ??

  418. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 21, 2022 3:31 pm

    Bummer. Now the German’s are really fucked:

    Hakle has been a German household name since 1928, but the Duesseldorf-based toilet paper manufacturer said all it took was this summer’s gas price shock to drive it into insolvency.

    Meanwhile:

    German producer prices rose in August at the fastest rate since records began in 1949, data released by the Federal Statistical Office showed today, pointing to a further increase in consumer prices.

    Producer prices of industrial products rose by 45.8 percent compared to the same month of last year. Compared to July 2022, prices rose 7.9 percent.

  419. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2022 4:35 pm

    Odd that the West blithely carried on regardless, not noticing that both Russia and China could gain so much control over the world … purely through commerce and trade … 🙄

  420. September 21, 2022 5:32 pm

    While some prefer Trade others prefer War.

    While others just do as they are told.

  421. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2022 6:25 pm

    While some prefer Trade others prefer War.

    Or bribery and corruption?

    Even Australian Federal Ministers are in thrall to China … enter the Honourable* Andrew Robb …

  422. September 21, 2022 6:47 pm

    TB – Richard Marles’ subservience to the USA is vomit inducing.

    Speaks constantly about the “rules based order” without mentioning which nation devised it. (Here’s a clue – It wasn’t the UN.)

    That Australia is getting deep into the “nuclear” arena via AUKUS (in conflict with the NPT) seems out-of-bounds when it comes to MSM interviews.

    (Ain’t democracy wonderful.)

    Marles is a stuttering idiot!

  423. TB Queensland permalink
    September 22, 2022 10:14 am

    MN, “rules based order” depends whose making the rules and for what purpose. I lost faith in the concept of law being fair many years ago.

    Not sure its important which country devised it and it was devised long before the UN …

    As for nuclear powered subs, that will only lead to nuclear armed subs, a need to mine uranium 9we’ve quite a bit) ans subsequently build nuclear power plants … it trickle down politics … another dumb concept … falsely deceptive term for – suck ’em dry and let die …

    Marles, ain’t too bad … considering his predecessor, mumble bumble, Frydenberg …

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