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Bruce Lehrmann trial: Blond Bombshell Linda Reynolds’ Explosive Confession!

October 17, 2022

In explosive revelations today, Senator Linda Reynolds – dressed in a fuchsia suit jacket and sporting a fresh blond bob – was sensationally accused in court of attempting to ‘coach’ the defence lawyer, Steven Whybrow, during cross-examination, by sending him text messages during the trial, while she was apparently attending a conference in Rwanda.

Ms Reynolds was called as a witness for the prosecution, yet admitted to texting the defence lawyer during Ms Higgins’ cross-examination on October 6.

She was also grilled over her partner sitting in the back of the courtroom during the trial. 

During another heated moment in court, prosecutor Shane Drumgold asked Ms Reynolds whether she had tried to obtain information about Ms Higgins’ trial by seeking to get transcripts of the evidence from defence lawyer Steven Whybrow.

‘Have you sought the transcripts of Ms Higgins in this trial?’ she was asked. 

Ms Reynolds said: ‘I was curious to know what had been said but I was advised that it was not appropriate.’

Ms Reynolds then agreed that her partner had been sitting in the back of the courtroom during Ms Higgins’ evidence.

‘My partner has been in court,’ she said.

When asked whether her partner had been reporting back to her, Ms Reynolds said he had not. 

‘My lawyer was very clear with him not to discuss it with me.’

Just minutes after she messaged Mr Whybrow asking for the transcripts, she sent another text that read: ‘Also, if you have text messages between Brittany and Nicki, they may be revealing.’ Nicki refers to Nicole Hamar, a witness last week.

Ms Reynolds said: ‘I had previously met with the defence counsel who asked for information relevant to the case and I knew Brittany and Nicki were friends and I thought they might be able to shed some light to the matter.’

Mr Drumgold replied: What’s your motive for attempting to coach the cross-examination?

Ms Reynolds responded: ‘That’ not what I was attempting to do.’

Again, the prosecutor put to her: ‘You’re alerting the defence lawyer two hours into cross-examination. You’re injecting yourself by trying to assist in cross-examination.’

The former defence minister said: ‘I haven’t been through his process before. Both of you have talked to me about my statement. 

‘Going through this mentally, I’ve done nothing but for the last 18 months go through all of this, and it seemed appropriate.

Mr Drumgold said: ‘You’re in Rwanda and you’re texting the defence lawyer about what he could cross examine about. You don’t have better things to do in Rwanda?

R: ‘Absolutely I was interested in the case.’

When Mr Drumgold put to Ms Reynolds that she was politically invested in the case in April 2019, Ms Reynolds said: ‘Absolutely not. I categorically reject that assertion.’

Mr Drumgold then put to Ms Reynolds that her ‘dominant concern’ amid Ms Higgins’ allegations was the outcome of the election, which was called for May 18, 2019.

Ms Reynolds told the prosecutor that she ‘categorically rejects’ that concern.  

249 Comments leave one →
  1. October 17, 2022 5:50 pm

    Re:

    dressed in a fuchsia suit jacket and sporting a fresh blond bob

    Well, well – guess who ‘moonlights’ as a fashion commentator? Featured in Vogue, Cosmopolitan, The Gutter, InStyle, Allure – the list is almost endless.

    As for Linda’s visit to Rwanda and presumably a side trip to the Rift Valley for inspiration – she has lots of experience when it comes to da Defence. But only when she’s up to the task.

  2. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    October 17, 2022 6:03 pm

    “Well, well – guess who ‘moonlights’ as a fashion commentator? “

    LOL…!

  3. Russell permalink
    October 17, 2022 10:50 pm

    The conduct of both Reynolds and Cash in the immediate aftermath of the alleged rape by Lehrmann was not edifying. I tlooked strongly as if the Liberals wished to keep the incident hush hush fearing political fallout. These latest events show Reynolds as interfering in the process of a trial to try and present the best face re what she did in 2019 when told of the alleged crime in her own office of Parliament. Unedifying again!

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    October 18, 2022 7:45 pm

    Brittany Higgins was “right to be scared” by the “strong political forces” that were swirling around her as she considered whether to proceed with a complaint about her alleged rape in Parliament House, the prosecution says.

    And still are swirling about!

    As evidenced by the post above … not even tampering with a court case is beyond the LNP zealots … wonder how many times a week they go to confession?

  5. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 18, 2022 9:46 pm

    As evidenced by the post above … not even tampering with a court case is beyond the LNP zealots

    Poor sport just to play politics. No care or compassion shown about the truth.

    I can find worse about sitting ALP members that the press does not follow up

  6. Tom R permalink
    October 19, 2022 2:21 pm

    I see our media have crowned themselves in glory again by trying to lay the destruction of medicare at the feet of GP’s. They really are bottom feeders

    Almost as low as someone who tries to spy on a trial, that she is a witness in ffs

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    October 19, 2022 5:00 pm

    No care or compassion shown about the truth

    Certainly not from Lynda Reynolds or Michaela Cash!

    … and weren’t they playing politics! Their own political careers.

    Contempt of court, perhaps?

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    October 19, 2022 5:05 pm

    Pauline Hanson ordered to pay $250,000 damages for defaming Brian Burston

    I bet they people are lining up now!

    Eventually they catch up!

    Oh! How we laughed! And Laughed! AND LAUGHED! 🤣🤣🤣

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    October 19, 2022 5:12 pm

    But wait … there’s more …

    ‘Where’s the beef?’: special master says Trump’s Mar-a-Lago records claims lack substance</blockquote)

    Bet there's plenty of gravy!

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    October 19, 2022 5:21 pm

    $220,000 !!

    Welcome to the strange world of Australia’s the LNP (best) economic management!

    BoM asked media organisations to only refer to it by its full name, or shorthand as “the Bureau” – not BoM … the change, detailed in an email bearing a new bureau logo, was part of a wider rebrand that commenced under the previous Coalition government and had been under way for some 18 months.
    It was reported yesterday that a $69,300 contract had been awarded in September 2021 to Melbourne’s C Word Communications Agency for “branding of product naming services” and “brand implementation”.

    The full cost of the rebranding exercise was $220,296.

  11. Tom R permalink
    October 19, 2022 9:55 pm

    The full cost of the rebranding exercise was $220,296.

    Dreamt up by the guy who hired his own company to …. forget to secure the social media accounts for the … rebrand

  12. October 20, 2022 9:18 am

    NoS – here’s a discussion about government. Remember it’s far easier to see the irrationalities of other systems that it is to escape the ‘common sense’ of our own. Seeing our own (for what it really is) has to go beyond the mouthing of platitudes.

  13. Tom R permalink
    October 20, 2022 11:10 am

    Da Fuck is happening in ‘Merica?

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    October 20, 2022 12:36 pm

    Da Fuck is happening in ‘Merica?

    Mmmm … are you really my dad?

    The good ‘ole USofA – the land of the stoopid …

    Get rid of the fucking military weapons! Or expect a rocket attack soon!

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 20, 2022 2:52 pm

    This is hilarious!!
    That’s the Greens for you
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-20/lidia-thorpe-undisclosed-relationship-ex-rebel-president/101553386

  16. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 20, 2022 3:17 pm

    Welcome to the strange world of Australia’s the LNP (best) economic management!

    Yep we were debt free in 2007. Then Rudd/Swan trashed the budget and we have not run a surplus budget since 2007 racking up $1T of govt debt

    Whitlam/ALP did the same. We were debt free in 1972. Then Whitlam/Labor trashed the budget and govt debt kept increasing until 1996.

    We were debt free in 1972 and in 2007. Both times labor was elected and trashed the budget.

  17. October 20, 2022 7:52 pm

    One of the problems facing government in Australia (and elsewhere) is the selection of good, competent candidates. While there might be a place for the inexperienced in the Legislature (there’s always Parliamentary Counsel to guide novices), being promoted to a role in the Executive Branch brings additional problems.

    In days gone by, Ministers could rely on ‘advice’ from departmental officers so as to avoid fundamental errors. However, that ‘long-term’ precedence was summarily dismissed with the arrival of Morrison who insisted that public servants were there to implement (government policy) and NOT to provide advice.

    (That nonsense was soon abandoned with the arrival of COVID and the subsequent development of rather radical economic policies. Nevertheless, the reigning government was somewhat selective re what was adopted.)

    That raises the issue the inexperienced leader of a party (as elected by MPs) who then becomes the Leader of the Nation. Take Morrison as an example (only), His track record as a senior Executive was appalling. As an administrator in the private sector, he seemingly failed at every turn. Yet he became Number One. The PM.

    In the private sector, ‘merit’ (in some form) must be demonstrated before promotion comes. Not so ‘leadership’ in elected government where the first (and perhaps only measure) is electoral appeal. Clearly we should do better.

  18. October 21, 2022 8:54 am

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  19. October 21, 2022 9:30 am

    This is priceless…! 😆 😆 😆 😆

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  20. October 21, 2022 9:44 am

    December 8 you say? No worries. Liz (the Fighter) will be back by then. In plenty of time for the launch.

    King Charles The Thurd – (Irish pronunciation) – might even test the waters by giving Camilla a run.

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    October 21, 2022 11:17 am

    thoughts and prayers to the authors of this book. out December 8th!

    They could follow up with “The Power of Green”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/liz-truss-lettuce-outlasts-resigns-b2207009.html

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    October 21, 2022 11:18 am

    This is priceless…!

    Benny Hill!!!!!!

  23. October 21, 2022 2:52 pm

    Point(s) of view we simply aren’t getting in Australia.

  24. October 22, 2022 8:28 am

    Re Medicare “fraud”.

    Is $8 billion dollars a year being rorted from Medicare? This claim for almost universal fraudulent behaviour is a nonsense. The entire bill for Medicare funded GP services is only $12 billion.

    But it’s the ‘headline’ that people remember, even when clarifications are made.

    The number fell to three billion dollars as the reporting progressed but the office of budget management, the ‘watch dog’ for Medicare, reckons that is still a gross exaggeration.

    More here.

    https://johnmenadue.com/sixty-percent-of-all-claims-sent-to-medicare-for-payment-are-fraudulent/

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 22, 2022 3:18 pm

    Point(s) of view we simply aren’t getting in Australia.
    More idiocy. How did you get it? Are you in Australia?

  26. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 22, 2022 3:35 pm

    Re Medicare “fraud”

    That could be a good example of not trusting everything you read. People are dishonest and have an agenda. I just want the facts and then let me make up my own mind.

    But Whitlam brought in free University education. The next labor govt abolished that and brought in HECS.

    Whitlam brought in free health. It has lasted for a while but i wonder how much longer it can last?

    I went to the Doctor last week who normally bulk bills. For the first time he did not. I had to pay something. It actually felt good.

  27. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 22, 2022 4:14 pm

    Background on MNs go to guy…
    * Works for Russian state media
    * He posted a tweet falsely claiming that the National Police of Ukraine is responsible for the Bucha massacre
    * Called Joe Biden a “war criminal” for “seeking to shift blame for the Bucha murders” to Russia
    * Ritter accused the “pro-Israel lobby of dual loyalty and ‘outright espionage'”
    * In October 2011, he received a sentence of 1½ to 5½ years in prison, for sexual offences when he exposed himself to a police officer posing as an underage girl

    …yes, that’s the credibility of MN’s preferred sources of information

  28. reb of Melbourne permalink*
    October 22, 2022 5:32 pm

    I can’t find the words..

    WTF did I just witness?pic.twitter.com/NjMckJZh89— Ms. Unformation (@MsUnformation) October 21, 2022

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  29. TB Queensland permalink
    October 22, 2022 7:17 pm

    I can’t find the words..

    I haven’t had dinner yet! What do you do with your time indoors … still raining is it?

    BTW he’s got good voice … 😎

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    October 22, 2022 7:18 pm

    I had to pay something. It actually felt good.

    THat explains many comments from, Kneel … 🙄

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    October 22, 2022 7:26 pm

    Background on MNs go to guy…

    Do you actually know how to attach a link?

    ‘Cause what you write above is true …!

    And I know you’re not tech savvy from other comments.

    Happy to walk thru the process for you. (Seriously)

    Anyhoo … lynx helps … for others …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter

  32. October 22, 2022 10:56 pm

    When the American Empire suffered an inglorious defeat in Vietnam, it learnt some important lessons. Perhaps first, and foremost, was the understanding that hegemonic power (if it was to be truly hegemonic) had to find expression in all (or at least in as many as possible) aspect(s) of what Marxists refer to as the superstructure.

    You see, the USA didn’t just lose in the jungles, swamps and tunnels of Vietnam, it also lost at home; in particular, in the hearts and minds of the voters and thence in the Congress. It lost in the schools, the universities, the work places, the local political power structures, the media, the churches, and more generally in their culture, broadly defined. In short, it lost far too many of the ‘superstructural’ components.

    So those who wage War, (and let’s not forget the American Empire has been at war in all but 16 of its 246 years of existence – and only two (2) years since the end of WW II) are very good at what they do. So now they leave nothing to chance – whenever possible. And, if they do, it’s never for lack of intent.

    That commitment to getting their own way – to being the most powerful Empire there’s ever being is now at all levels and all locations. As Escobar pointed out a few days ago:

    The recent historical record shows how every nation trying to develop outside the Washington Consensus is terrorized at myriad hybrid war levels. This nation becomes a target of color revolutions, regime change, illegal sanctions, economic blockade, NATO sabotage or outright bombing and/invasion.

    https://thecradle.co/Article/Columns/17132

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 23, 2022 12:09 pm

    I’ve noticed there are those who are so disdainful of western democracy that they’ll post articles that endorse their bitterness, without checking the credibility of the author.
    Some are so desperate to post criticism of western democracy (or provide cover/context for Putin’s brutality)
    they post the opinions of Trump hacks, academics who have a record of failure in internation/political analysis and even convicted sex offenders.

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    October 23, 2022 12:38 pm

    … they post the opinions of Trump hacks, academics who have a record of failure in internation (sic)/political analysis and even convicted sex offenders.

    Can’t wait for, splats, reply to that … 😉

  35. October 23, 2022 2:26 pm

    Scott Ritter’s place in history is not due to any of the minor facts cited above. No Ritter’s importance lies with the ‘truth’ that he told about the absence of WMDs in Saddam’s Iraq. And for that he is (and will be) remembered – even by those whom he exposed.

    The American Empire had its eyes on Iraq’s oil since about 1990. But it needed an excuse to justify an attack like it needed one re Vietnam. In Vietnam, it was an invented story about the destroyer USS Maddox being attacked by North Vietnamese torpedo boats while on electronic surveillance patrol in the Gulf of Tonkin.

    It was believed by the gullible then and still believed by the gullible now. Hello ToM.

    In Iraq, Saddam Hussein was accused of harboring WMDs. Ritter said that accusation lacked evidence. Nevertheless, the Empire rounded up its vassals and another American invasion was underway. Of course there were some hitches, the UN said No as did France and Germany but the historical shows that Australia, despite strong internal opposition, sent troops as well.

    Estimates of the death toll numbers vary widely but some have the total approaching a million. That was another lesson learned from the Vietnam experience. Don’t count the deaths or injured. It diminishes support among the populace. So they didn’t then and they don’t now.

    So while we hear endless stories about Ukrainian victories on the nightly news, but any death toll is always about the Russians. Would be hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic.

    And Australia is being sucked in again!

  36. October 23, 2022 2:47 pm

    Always interesting to see ad hominem attacks as though they diminish the credibility of the accused (on unrelated issues) when what they mainly do is say so much about the mind of the accuser.

    Guess desperate times generate desperate measures. So sad.

  37. October 23, 2022 5:03 pm

    RE – “criticism of western democracy”. Indeed!

    Or is it claimed that the system of government we have can’t evolve further? Move from a representative democracy to a more participatory model? That a state of “perfection” has been reached?

    That a Bill of Rights would be a backward step? That the direct election of the most powerful person (the PM) is undesirable?

    Or is the average voter not up to the task? Lacks the motivation to do the required work? Can’t be trusted? Doesn’t realise the possibilities?

    Should we lower the voting age? Or even raise the voting age? Should voting be optional? Are State governments now just historical anachronisms? To be replaced with a more Unitary model?

    Do we needs to revise the Constitution? Or perhaps start again? What Sections need to be abandoned? Should the decision to go to War be left to the PM? Or should it be decided only by those who are likely to be sent? Or those whose experience(s) make them more insightful?

    So many questions. So many possibilities (that weren’t even considered in 1901. So many enabling (and emerging) technologies.

    And so it goes.

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 23, 2022 6:32 pm

    MN’s go to man…on the payroll of Russian state media.
    How could he be anything other than objective???

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    October 25, 2022 4:36 pm

    For a bit of fun … play Treasurer …

    My results:

    Total savings:
    $593.1bn
    Total spending:
    $743.8bn
    Net total:
    $-150.7bn

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2022/oct/25/be-the-treasurer-scrap-the-tax-cuts-spend-money-or-pay-down-the-debt?items=37,38,41,42,43,44,12,27,26,31,3,24,28,30,14,15,18,35,20,21,22,2,5,6,7,10,34,36

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    October 26, 2022 7:36 pm

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    October 27, 2022 10:46 am

    GUILTY as shit! And abetted by the LNP!

    17 directions from the judge … 17!

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/27/jury-discharged-in-bruce-lehrmann-case-after-material-entered-jury-room-that-ought-not-to-have

  42. October 27, 2022 1:01 pm

    Did you know that the Australian MSM has been asleep at the wheel again. (Or maybe not.)

    Two retired U.S. admirals and three former U.S. Navy civilian leaders are playing critical but secretive roles as paid advisers to the government of Australia during its negotiations to acquire top-secret nuclear submarine technology from the United States and Britain.

    … among a group of former U.S. Navy officials whom the Australian government has hired as high-dollar consultants to help transform its fleet of ships and submarines, receiving contracts worth as much as $800,000 a person, documents show. … a former U.S. secretary of the Navy has been a paid adviser to three successive Australian prime ministers.

    Much more here. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2022/australia-nuclear-submarines-us-admirals/

    And so it goes. In days of yore, the overlord gave his Vassals ‘lands’ so that these underlings could bear the cost of maintaining an army. These days it’s much more effective to have ‘advisers’ embedded. The Washington Post was forced to sue the U.S. Navy and State Department under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) to obtain documents that shed light on the admirals’ involvement.

    One of the six retired U.S. admirals had to resign this year as a part-time submarine consultant to the Australian government because of a potential conflict of interest over his full-time job as board chairman of a U.S. company that builds nuclear-powered subs.

    While here in Australia, there is the strong view that these submarines are NOT what Australia needs to defend its shores BUT what America needs to contain China. Talk about mugs! (As I recall it’s never been up for debate at any election.)

  43. October 27, 2022 1:30 pm

    While NATO has been Training the Ukrainian armed force since the coup of 2014, apparently they haven’t been up to the task, because now the Australians (and the Brits) are taking over.

    Yes the Ukrainians (and the Australians) will be flown to Britain for proper training because shouting orders across 2 4048 kms from London to Kyiv would cause voice strain apparently.

    Those with any understanding of what is going on would know that something akin to the “Coalition of the Willing” is in train. (Even though the local media has Ukraine winning every fight, every battle, every skirmish – with (Brutal) Russians forever in retreat in the face of (Brave) Ukraine patriots.)

    But it takes time to ‘convert’ the unwilling. And remember not one European nation has to date (officially) sent any troops to fight in what is their own backyard.

    Besides, we might need those forces here in Australia to repel the Yellow Peril even though they are somewhat busy with the BRI signing 160 Nations to trade deals. And they (the Chinese) aren’t imposing any demands.

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 27, 2022 1:57 pm

    You’ve fallen for the “coup” bullshit. Can you explain what type of “coup” is the result of-
    * A vote of the Ukraine parliament of 328 to ZRRO to remove Yanukovych from office
    * Yanukovych couldn’t get a single vote in support
    * The reason for this was Yanukovych sought to join the Russian trade zone, whereas the parliament had already established a process to seek membership of the EU
    * Yanukovych had previously committed to seeking EU membership
    * The population didn’t wish to continue to be a Russian colony
    * You really just regurgitate bullshit

  45. October 27, 2022 2:20 pm

    Re “Trial by Jury”

    When it’s all said and done, trial by jury is a contest. It’s adversarial. And the result is often down to the skill of the advocate – indeed, sometimes the advocate’s charisma. .

    There are several alternatives but in Australia/Britain there’s no overall mood for change.

    But it’s not (fundamentally) about justice. Rather it’s about the “winning” (or at least the “not losing”). If “justice” is delivered along the way (a byproduct), then well and good but that’s not at the core of the process.

    Then there’s the “human toll”. Does Brittany Higgins want to go through this again?

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    October 27, 2022 3:07 pm

    Does Brittany Higgins want to go through this again?

    Indeed! It’s a traumatic experience for all concerned.

    Hence the “interference” and “stalling tactics” from “(in)significent” others, linked to the previous government – now in opposition — to every word uttered by the present government.

    And was Snotty’s parliamentary foray, before the trial, an attempt at obtusely serving the guilty parties?

    (MN, I’ve been called for jury service seven times … I avoided six because of work commitments, being a small business owner and travel … when I did serve, I “managed” to be selected for TWO juries (on the same call up) the last one as foreman. Both were rape, both acquitted. After my experience I am a firm believer in the value of juries. In the Lehrmann case I smell a rat … and I usually leave any comments as to guilt/innocence till after the verdict. This one is different.)

  47. October 27, 2022 3:26 pm

    ToM – I hesitate to respond because you’re not a serious debater. It’s ALWAYS limited to YOUR opinion. Never any links in support. Just a repetition of MSM nonsense. Here’s a clue we are not primary sources. On a good day, the info we have is very much indirect

    (As an aside, it became blindingly apparent the other day that you only recently discovered Scott Ritter. Ritter’s claim to fame happened more that 2 decades ago. Where have you been in the interim? Trying (unsuccessfully) to catch up? As I’ve said on numerous occasions, “democracy” depends on being informed and being informed is hard work.

    Here’s the latest from Prof. Jeffrey D. Sachs, Columbia University. He’s been around for some time and it’s his job to know. And it runs for 35 minutes. Being informed requires effort. But it’s your choice.

    And if you have evidence that goes beyond your opinion, then I’ll be only too happy to read same. (BTW, some of your dot points above are just over-simplifications if not just plain wrong. But I’ll let Sachs explain. He’s an expert and recognised as such.)

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 27, 2022 3:38 pm

    Just check the facts, and identify anything I’ve said that isn’t factual
    You’re hooked on Kremlin apologists
    And just (in your own words) outline how the removal from office of Viktor Yanukovych was a “coup”

  49. October 27, 2022 3:51 pm

    TB – was never a lawyer but was the designated leader of a legal Branch of 40 (or thereabouts) as well 3 other Branches of equivalent size spread across the State. In that legal Branch, there were 3 or 4 Barristers with all members being legally qualified, except for secretarial staff. Had to provide ‘legal’ guidance to more than 60 000 staff (including those professionally qualified.)

    I mention this because decisions have to be made re ‘risk’. When to accept a verdict; whether to appeal; whether to hire a silk whether to negotiate, etc etc. Witnessed many ‘miscarriages’ of justice.

    So re Higgins. The trail was ‘cold’. No doubt a difficult choice SHE made. Next time around the defense may run new lines. It’s not a fair process when there’s so much pressure. And in the public eye. And the MSM constantly looking for new ‘angles’.

    She must be pondering whether it’s all worth it.

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 27, 2022 3:53 pm

    I’ve watched plenty of videos, all recommended by those that seek to contextualise Putin’s war crimes
    They are never able to explain how the use of the term “coup” is justified when the Ukraine parliament voted 328 to 0 to oust Yanukovych.
    When they use “coup” you know they’re trying to push emotional button, but none can ever justify it when challenged.
    It’s pathetic

  51. October 27, 2022 4:05 pm

    ToM – my post was at 3.26 and your response was at 3.38. A time interval of 12 minutes to watch and consider a 35 minute video. Really?

    You (once again) proceed from a position of mala fides. So what are you afraid of? What ‘ideas’ make you so fearful? Is your self concept that fragile?

    You don’t have to agree with the arguments presented but the ‘educated’ ALWAYS take the time to know what the others’ views are.

    As for me, using ‘my views’ instead of those as articulated by an expert? Really?

    Wouldn’t that be descending to your level?

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 27, 2022 4:11 pm

    Did I say I watched it. I said I’ve seen plenty of such videos and they just can’t explain how the term “coup” is justified when the Ukraine parliament voted 328 to 0 to remove Yanukovych.
    And the reason is that he sought to join the Russian trade zone, after committing to.the parliamentary process to seek membership of the EU.
    You’re completely unable to come up with a coherent reply to that. You, like others that try to contextualise Putin’s war crimes, rely on crap like “watch this”
    It’s pathetic

  53. October 27, 2022 4:40 pm

    ToM – how about a link to your claim? Assuming you weren’t on the floor or in the gallery, you must have read it somewhere? Or did you hear it? There must be a link – so please provide.

    How many members were entitled to vote? How many abstained – and why? What was the precise wording of the motion?

    Where is the Leader of the (main) Opposition Party today? In what prison is he languishing? What makes you think that the Verkhovna Rada proceeds on the same ‘common sense’ as a Parliament in Australia?

    Did you know that:

    Eleven Ukrainian political parties have been suspended because of their links with Russia, according to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy….

    … country’s national security and defence council took the decision to ban the parties from any political activity … one of them, the Opposition Platform for Life, has 44 seats … to suspend any activity of a number of political parties for the period of …

    … as Zelenskiy aims to further assert his influence over the country’s media sphere. On Sunday, the Ukrainian leader signed a decree that aims to unite all national TV channels into one platform, citing the importance of a “unified information policy” under martial law.

    Do you know how many TV stations were closed down? Did you know that absentee votes from Russia were not permitted?

    Did you know Ukraine is NOT a democracy and gave up pretensions a long time ago?

    You will notice, I’m not taking your bait re ‘coup’ because it’s addressed by Sachs

    Stop talking simplistic nonsense or you’ll become a rival to Greg Sheridan. Lol (Only joking – he’s your primary source.)

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 27, 2022 5:09 pm

    You used the term “coup” in relation to parliamentary action, 328 to ZERO to remove Yanukovych
    You can’t justify your claim
    It’s typical ot those that try to contextualise Putin’s brutality and war crimes
    Your cohort consists of neo fascists , conspiracy theorists, anti vaxers, and old fashioned communists.

  55. October 27, 2022 6:26 pm

    So Putin has committed war crimes? And the ICC found to that effect?

    But speaking of the ICC did you know:

    Ukraine signed the Rome Statute on 20 January 2000, but due to a 2001 constitutional court ruling declaring the treaty incompatible with Ukraine’s constitution, the government has not ratified the Statute. Civil society has been calling on Ukraine to formally join the ICC for many years.

    Yes Ukraine’s constitutional court declared the treaty (Rome Statute) incompatible with Ukraine’s constitution …

    But never mind because they are in good company with China, India, Russia, and the United States et al not signing as well. The ICC (effectively) only works against losing State actors. Otherwise the jails (and the morgues) would be overflowing.

    Did you know that Kissinger is afraid to travel to certain Nations because there are warrants out for his arrest?

    And so it goes.

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    October 27, 2022 6:27 pm

    Your cohort consists of neo fascists , conspiracy theorists, anti vaxers, and old fashioned communists.

    You forgot jews, christians and muslims … orthodox unorthodox and radical outreachers … 😉

  57. October 27, 2022 6:40 pm

    TB – I feel very wounded. Lol.

    FFS – over the years I’ve been abused by experts.

    But ad hominem seems to be the default position. Talk about childish!

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 27, 2022 6:56 pm

    You’ve lost the plot
    You called the removal of Viktor Yanukovych a “coup”
    You can’t figure out how to justify the statement.

  59. October 27, 2022 7:26 pm

    Still waiting for YOUR link ToM.

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    October 27, 2022 7:55 pm

    FFS – over the years I’ve been abused by experts.

    LOL! “Abused” you have no idea my end!!! LOL! Cannot stop laughing!

    And then!

    Still waiting for YOUR link ToM.

    Now you’re sounding like me, MN (and TR where are you??? OK I hope … and reb, ditto, mate!) … good Lord ToM! Give MN a lynx! 😎

  61. October 27, 2022 7:58 pm

    Re – hooked on Kremlin apologists.

    In Russia, there’s something like a dozen Kremlins (Fort like structures in city centers) still standing. Some in better condition than others.

    The one in Novgorod is ‘open’ for the curious without too many restrictions (can’t remember any.) The Kremlin in Moscow is a different story. Security is tight. One bloke with a ‘pacemaker’ excited the machine and no amount of explaining could satisfy the security. So no admission. Didn’t get a refund either.

    Re “Red Square”. Named well before the arrival of communists and their attachment to the color “red’. The word for “red” is the same as the word for “beautiful” so its best translation is “Beautiful Square”.

  62. October 27, 2022 8:58 pm

    Re Ukraine. All sides (including Australia) should be pushing for a “cease-fire” and as soon as possible. Putin’s up for it. But Zelensky isn’t.

    Suspect that the American Empire is rather pleased (and for any number of reasons) that the responsibility for the ongoing conflict can now be outsourced to Ukraine. It’s Zelensky choice to keep fighting right to the end.

    Marles asserts we’ll also be there right to the end. But he’s never asked what that “end” will look like. And if he ever was asked what would he say? Quite plainly we are very much the Vassal in this conflict.

    Zelensky (and the USA) will fight to the death of the last Citizen of Ukraine. Disgraceful! Unethical!

  63. October 27, 2022 10:21 pm

    Just a reminder. And the Pacific gets a mention.

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 27, 2022 10:24 pm

    1. A ceasefire is Ukrainian surrender, it allow Putin to occupy what he has invaded.
    Surrender of Ukraine is your preference
    2. You used the term “coup* and you’re unable to justify it

  65. October 27, 2022 10:57 pm

    The next set of comments from William Hartung – from from the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft (an organisation initially funded by the Kochs and Soros – an interesting coming together.)

    ToM – best you put up or shut up. You’re embarrassing yourself. First, by not viewing the link(s). Second, by not providing your own.

    From here on – it will be the planned ignore. Ignorance by choice should not be rewarded.

  66. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 27, 2022 11:25 pm

    You claimed the removal from office of Viktor Yanukovych was a coup.
    You’re unable to justify that.
    I’ve posted the facts surrounding his removal by the Ukraine parliament.
    You’ve shown you’re unable to refute them, you’ve lost the plot.
    Congratulations on joining the neo fascists, conspiracy theorists and weirdos. They’re the ones that try to put a rationale and context around Putin’s brutality

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 28, 2022 11:39 am

    There was a time that MN provided an informed perspective
    Now he simply uses bullshit sourced from marginal types. There have been so many examples during recent months, the current one is use of the term “coup”
    A coup d’état, also known as a coup or overthrow, is an illegal seizure of power or removal of a government and its powers by a political faction, politician, cult, rebel group, military, or a dictator. Many scholars consider a coup successful when the usurpers seize and hold power for at least seven days.
    Wikipedia

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    October 28, 2022 5:18 pm

    Do you have a linq for that, ToM … ?

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 28, 2022 6:04 pm

    Choose your own definition of a coup TB.
    Any of them won’t describe the removal of a president by a democratic parliament, by a vote of 328 to 0

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    October 29, 2022 2:12 pm

    Choose your own definition of a coup TB.

    Political coup? As opposed to military?

    You really do become obsessed with trivia, ToM … learn to move on …

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 29, 2022 5:34 pm

    No one that bothers to research the event in Ukraine of 2014 would call it a “coup”
    They deserve nothing more than derision

  72. October 29, 2022 11:01 pm

    Re ToM and his arrogance:

    No one that bothers to research the event in Ukraine of 2014 …

    The implication being that ToM has. (Even though he was invited on numerous occasions to ‘come clean’ and provide evidence of his (misleading) claims via a link.) Hides his light under a bushel apparently.

    But wait there’s more. Indeed much more. Indeed will take episodes.

    ToM places great store on the number(s) of 328 to 0 in a Verkhovna Rada vote – (as though that had some legal/constitutional significance) – but in terms of the Ukrainian Constitution it’s of little (or no) consequence.

    One would have thought, (that after all that claimed research), ToM would have discovered that the Verkhovna Rada had a membership of 450 members and for the President to be impeached – ( – the legal way to remove the duly elected President (with 3/4 of the membership required) the vote would have had to be 338. So ToM’s numbers fail to meet that test. In that sense the vote failed.

    action did not follow the impeachment process as specified by the Constitution of Ukraine (which would have involved formally charging the president with a crime, a review of the charge by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine, and a three-fourths majority vote – i.e. at least 338 votes in favor – by the Rada);

    You see in the Party Of Regions (with 134 elected representatives) 96 were not present to vote and a further 2 abstained. (ToM was invited to check that out but refrained from so doing. -So much for ToM’s “research”. (One can understand why Qantas can’t find the ‘baggage’,)

    Worth pointing out that when the President claimed at the time of his departure, he was still:

    “the legitimate head of the Ukrainian state elected in a free vote by Ukrainian citizens

    He was speaking truthfully. The President was removed by a “coup” and in the coming days, that will be demonstrated. Not via my ‘opinion’ (that would be pretentious) but by the words of any number of ‘professionals’ who are paid to do just that.

    Keating, in reference to Hewson – claimed that he “wanted to do you slowly”. I prefer to have ToM do himself slowly because that’s where he excels.

  73. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2022 8:12 am

    You need to do more research MN.
    The legal basis for the vote to dismiss Yanukovich and to appoint early election was claimed to be the fact that Yanukovich “withdrew from his duties in an unconstitutional manner”
    I have never mentioned “impeachment” for exactly this reason.
    …you dismissed my comment that Putin was a war criminal, because there is no ICC prosecution (ignoring that there is a United Nations report that makes war crime findings)
    You need to prove there was a constitutional authority that found the parliament’s action to be unconstitutional, rather than making your typical and ill informed assertions.
    Otherwise you are demonstrating your hypocrisy.
    Your continual contextualising of Putin invasion deserves ridicule

  74. October 30, 2022 3:10 pm

    ToM re:

    The legal basis for the vote to dismiss Yanukovich and to appoint early election was claimed to be

    Seems to me that the claimed to be was at the heart of the problem. If the theory/concept of ‘democracy’ including the much valued rule of law was being properly exercised then this was where the judicial arm of government should have been invited to enter the fray.

    But it didn’t! No reference was made! So why not? Surely, you’re not going to argue that the Legislative Branch was not only empowered to bring charges (Legitimate to so do) but ALSO to be the “judge”? That’s not how ‘democracy’ is supposed to work. You know that and certainly the USA diplomat Nuland would know that

    Generally agreed that:

    The 1996 and the 2004 constitutions are uniform when it comes to the reasons for removing a president, with Article 111 stating the parliament has the right to INITIATE a procedure of impeachment “if he commits treason or other crime.”

    As you say there was no “impeachment”. And no attempt to pursue (initiate) that “legitimate” course of action.

    In summary – the constitutional procedure was not followed, and there were insufficient votes in the Rada for an impeachment. Thus a “coup” took place. A l

  75. October 30, 2022 3:27 pm

    Let’s look at what others argued:

    The coup was clearly orchestrated by Nuland, who was then assistant secretary of state for European affairs; she probably had the CIA’s assistance. … Nuland’s choice was Arseniy Yatsenyuk, a rabidly anti-Russian politician. Nuland famously said: ‘I think Yats is the guy.’

    When Pyatt warned Nuland that the Europeans might not support Yatsenyuk, Nuland diplomatically replied: ‘Fuck the EU.’ Yats ended up as prime ministe

    Further:

    Neoconservative revisionist historians like to point to Russia’s invasion of Crimea as the origin of the recent Ukrainian crisis. This account of history is, quite frankly, ludicrous.

    Nuland’s meddling in the internal politics of Russia’s neighbor is the equivalent of Putin orchestrating a coup in Canada to install a pro-Russian prime minister. American diplomats should not be arrogantly choosing the prime ministers of countries in the backyards of other great powers. The US’s blockheaded diplomats instigated the crisis.

    Truth is that Nuland would be extremely proud of what she did. She will probably write a book or two in the immediate future. She joins the ranks of John Bolton who now boasts about the ‘coups’ he organised.

    https://css.cua.edu/ideas_and_commentary/the-american-mess-in-the-ukraine/

  76. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2022 3:28 pm

    It’s clear that-
    1. Yanukovych abandoned his position. He fled.
    2. He did not follow legal process resigning or removing himself doing so
    3. There is no finding by any court that the action of the Ukraine parliament were anything other than legal
    4. The parliament took the responsible, required action
    5. Calling it a “coup” when the parliament applied democratic processes is ridiculous.
    6. Cite a court decision that calls it unconstitutional, otherwise your “it is generally agreed” comment is as stupid as your “Asia thinks” one

  77. October 30, 2022 6:00 pm

    Yanukovych ‘fled’ because 100 odd Citizens had already been killed. And he perceived his life to be endangered by the (brutal) Americans who had an extensive track record of illegal, brutal invasions including Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan

    Nuland (the American Ambassador) was out and about providing the protesters with encouragement. Even handing out ‘cookies’.

    Nuland even arranged for John McCain to fly in and address protest meetings. (Imagine if China or indeed any Nation had arranged for Politicians to fly in to address the Trump protestors. But that’s exactly what the USA did.

    For the American Empire, any means are justified to get the outcome they want.)

    In Ukraine a Constitution crisis was NOT referred to the judicial arm of government. There was no impeachment – because the ‘coup’ plotters could count too. (So much for ‘democracy’. And Tom, when democracy matters you are missing in action.)

    There was no finding by any Court because it was NEVER referred to any Court. (That’s the point.) And if it had, it’s extremely unlikely that a Coup would have been endorsed.

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2022 7:50 pm

    1. So a politician, who wasn’t part of the US administration visited Ukraine?
    And you use that to help justify your *coup* crap.
    2. And now it’s clear that your reference to it being a *coup* is merely an opinion. Because there is no legal basis for it being a fact. That’s progress.
    In my opinion, only weird, ill informed anti western democracy types and Putin apologists call it a coup

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2022 7:57 pm

    Bloody hell! After all these years! Finally dawned on me.

    5. Calling it a “coup” when the parliament applied democratic processes is ridiculous.
    6. Cite a court decision that calls it unconstitutional, otherwise your “it is generally agreed” comment is as stupid as your “Asia thinks” one

    Good Lord! Tom, “presents” his arguments by challenging words, grammar and spelling rather than the substance of the discussion! More than once he/she has been referred to as the Grammar Police or the Spell Checker!

    Problem is Good Lord! ToM … simply becomes obsessive about minute detail and thus “fogs” or avoids … any informed argument …

    ToM, (apologies MN) MN isn’t “against” Ukraine’s defence of its country, or even Australian assistance … he’s developing your knowledge of (what sounds like) the history and scenario of events … that change our world …

    Maybe we should reintroduce National Service – as a learning experience … cost me, my wife and child a (massive loss of income -and my “second” career – although I was never deployed to VN ) and actually demoted me when I returned to work – back into overalls! Don’t ever think Australia is never affected by other people’s war!

    And the reasons why … my advice … based on today’s news … buy flour lots of it!

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2022 8:10 pm

    MN
    * uses the *look over there* tactics to try to draw false parallels
    * talks about a *coup* whereas there is no authoritativebasis for this claim. The Kremlin likes talking about a coup. I haven’t seen other governments’use the term
    …words and language matter. You clearly don’t think so TB. But I suspect even MN would agree with that point

  81. October 30, 2022 8:49 pm

    Re “haven’t seen other governments use the term” Really?

    A “coup” doesn’t have to be applied to government. As a word it can used in a variety of situations. Generally it means – “a brilliant, sudden, and usually highly successful stroke or act”.

    So it can be used in Boardrooms (Musk’s takeover of Twitter can be called a ‘coup’. – Particularly in regard to his initial offer – because no-one saw it coming,

    Morrison’s dethroning of Turnbull can be called a ‘coup’. (He didn’t see it coming.) Michael Cannon-Brookes raids on AGL can be described as attempted “coups”. and so on.

    The assassination (and removal of) Julius Caesar was a “coup”. And so on.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coups_and_coup_attempts

  82. October 30, 2022 9:29 pm

    Note well: ALL Empires plan and execute “coups”. It’s what the CIA et al do for a living. Their day job as it were.

    “In his newsletter, The Racket, Jonathan M Katz, author of the book Gangsters of Capitalism, said: “The United States has indeed sponsored and participated in lots of coups and foreign government overthrows, dating back to the turn of the 20th century [and] Bolton was personally involved in many of the recent efforts – in Nicaragua, Iraq, Haiti and others”.

    But, Katz added: “Generally, officials do not admit that sort of thing on camera.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/13/john-bolton-planned-coups-donald-trump-january-6

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2022 9:43 pm

    Then you can explain whether your use of the term *coup* is intended to mean a stroke of brilliance or otherwise.
    You’ve used it in the same manner as other anti western democracy/pro Putin types

  84. October 30, 2022 10:16 pm

    ToM – Generally, when people use the word “coup” in a political context, they do so with pejorative intent. That is, they are expressing contempt or disapproval.

    Nuland, Bolton et al are in pursuit of American interests BUT their success comes from their ability to disguise those (US) interests and have the ‘locals’ believe they are operating in the local’s interests. Coups are part and parcel of their operations. (And they are good at it.)

    Nuland and other neo-conservatives believe (really and truly) that the world would be a better (perfect) place if there was only one Empire. (The American Empire). Thus they are committed to that outcome. A Uni-polar world without other competing Empires (such as China and Russia – not that Russia is likely to make a comeback).

    In my view that’s NOT going to happen and I don’t want it to happen. I prefer a multi-polar world where the power is shared around.

  85. October 30, 2022 10:25 pm

    As for Putin. As with any ‘national’ enemy, it’s useful to demonise or dehumanise the designated Leader. The western propaganda machine (MSM) is geared to that end. It’s perceived to be in the National Interest.

    Now attention is turning to the Chinese Leader. They are described as ‘brutal’ (bad, immoral, monsters etc) and yet if you look at how they behave they are very much the same as Western Leaders.

    And so it goes.

  86. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 31, 2022 9:17 am

    “They are described as ‘brutal’ (bad, immoral, monsters etc) and yet if you look at how they behave they are very much the same as Western Leaders.”

    Or maybe not.

    Sure, they eat sleep breathe and defecate. But there are also material differences.

    Xi is conducting genocide in his own country.

    Putin is more like MBS than a Western leader:

    In 2004, an investigative journalist and Putin’s foe Anna Politkovskaya also got acutely ill drinking a cup of tea on the plane. The same year, Roman Tzepov, a criminal boss from St. Petersburg circles close to Putin died, allegedly after drinking tea poisoned by radioactive polonium-210, a substance that is only produced in Russia at a factory controlled by the Government. Politkovskaya survived only to be murdered on Putin’s birthday, 7 October, 2006.

    A month later, on 23 November, 2006, in London, Alexander Litvinenko, a former FSB officer and critic of Putin, drank a lethal cup of tea with radioactive polonium-210. This was a Russian security services operation, most probably ordered by Putin, concluded a 2016 public inquiry in London.

    Every country has a mafia but only in Russia does the mafia have a country.

    Apart from beverages, there are many ways of using poisons. In 1978, a KGB agent killed Georgi Markov, a Bulgarian dissident, by pricking him with an umbrella tip dipped in ricin.

    The tradition has continued in Putin’s Russia: an opposition leader, Vladimir Kara-Murza, survived two poisoning attempts, in 2015 and 2017; toxins in his blood were confirmed by a lab in France. In 2018, a former KGB officer Sergey Skripal and his daughter almost died in the UK after poisoning with the nerve agent Novichok, developed in the Soviet Union. The poison was transported in a French perfume bottle. Also in 2018, Petr Verzilov, a member of Pussy Riot and a journalist, was poisoned and recovered from an induced coma in a hospital in Berlin.

  87. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 31, 2022 10:10 am

  88. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 31, 2022 11:00 am

  89. ivi permalink
    October 31, 2022 2:00 pm

    (“Xi is conducting genocide in his own country.”

    Eh? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Turkistan_Government-in-Exile#Activities )

  90. October 31, 2022 2:01 pm

    RE:

    Xi is conducting genocide in his own country.

    And (white) Australia doesn’t? There’s an Aboriginal family or two who happen to think they do. And they can point to some burial plots for evidence.

  91. October 31, 2022 2:26 pm

    RE:

    Every country has a mafia

    Indeed they do. And Australia is no exception.

    In a recent media release, Australian Federal Police said: We have about 51 Italian organised crime clans in Australia. We have identified 14 confirmed ‘ndrangheta clans across Australia, involving thousands of members.20 June 2022

    We also have ‘brutal’ killings:

    three men have been convicted of conspiring to murder the once-Liberal party candidate while a Royal Commission named six others who may have ordered the brutal killing.

    It’s Time for more compassionate killings.

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/australias-first-political-assassination-hitman-the-mafia-and-a-body-stuffed-into-a-bin/news-story/8c120a16fd397f5171cb4c06ec0eaff7

  92. Walrus permalink
    October 31, 2022 4:05 pm

    ROFLMAO……………

    “The increased price of wholesale gas and electricity has pushed up the price to charge an average family-size car by 42% to above £32, according to analysis by the RAC. That was £9.60 more than in May, and £13.59 more than a year earlier.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/26/cost-electric-car-charging-point-uk-public-charger-by-42-percent-invasion-ukraine

  93. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 1, 2022 10:08 am

    And (white) Australia doesn’t? There’s an Aboriginal family or two who happen to think they do. And they can point to some burial plots for evidence.

    What genocide is the government committing?

  94. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 1, 2022 10:09 am

    Baby sniffing Biden at it again:

  95. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 1, 2022 10:13 am

    He sure likes his granddaughter:

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2022 11:49 am

    MN uses false equivalence at every opportunity.
    Tries to contextualise Russia’s war crimes, tries to contextualise the CCP’s genocide policies.

  97. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 1, 2022 12:08 pm

    Looks like the Democrats have taken Rustin’s advice:

    Democrats Debate Themselves: Why Do We Suck?

  98. November 1, 2022 2:04 pm

    Interesting article by Cameron Leckie who served as an officer in the Australian Army for 24 years. Leckie asks very important questions such as

    What is Australia’s intelligence assessment of the progress of the war? Given that the media narrative suggests that Ukraine ‘is winning.’ He contends otherwise pointing out that Ukraine’s only chance, slim as it was, to win this war has now passed.

    Marles (Deputy PM) said that Ukraine is fighting with a ‘largely reservist force.’ Leckie suggests that therefore large proportion of Ukraine’s regular pre-war army has been either killed, wounded or captured. Therefore, he asks:

    Is Australia just preparing more Ukrainian troops to become cannon fodder for Russia’s overwhelming preponderance in artillery without offering any real prospect for victory?

    His article proceeds to ask – “Why has Australia placed so little emphasis on diplomacy?”

    Much more here.

    https://johnmenadue.com/an-open-letter-on-australia-training-ukrainian-troops/

  99. November 1, 2022 2:14 pm

    Then there’s the bigger picture (almost the metaphysical question of ‘what’s it all about’);

    have we as a country missed the big picture? In April I suggested that the Russia -Ukraine war was rapidly accelerating the transfer of the balance of power from the West to the East. By July it had become clear that what we are actually witnessing is the demise of the West.

    Despite this, the West, Australia included, keeps doubling down on its attempt to weaken Russia, but is actually weakening itself whilst the emerging multi-polar world strengthens day by day.

    One would think in a “democracy” the Citizens would be at the heart of this decision-making process. He concludes

    Rather than continuing to provide military support to Ukraine a far more sensible path for Australia would be to encourage the United States and our Western allies to negotiate a modus vivendi with Russia.

    We should also be forcefully arguing for a modus vivendi between the United States and China, to prevent another conflict that would have nothing but disastrous results for Australia.

    But for Marles to forcefully argue anything would be a bridge too far.

  100. November 1, 2022 2:26 pm

    Re:

    What genocide is the government committing?

    Not so much by ‘commission’ – although “black deaths in custody” might suggest otherwise BUT largely by ‘omission’ – standing back (as though part of an audience) and not an actor on centre stage – which it’s empowered to do.

  101. November 1, 2022 2:42 pm

    If Ukraine is the meat in the sandwich re the proxy war between the USA and Russia (and it is) one must ask as to why Australia is so keen to offer itself as the next metaphorical meat in a proxy war between China and the USA?

    Four Corners last night showed how Australia is becoming ‘a proxy’ (or is ‘a patsy’ a more appropriate terminology) for the US in a possible conflict with China.

    Guess it’s what a Vassal (in service to an Empire) does. Yet we still speak of sovereign borders. Must be our sense of humor (but it shouldn’t be a joke – because it’s a joke on us.)

  102. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 1, 2022 3:24 pm

    “BUT largely by ‘omission’ – standing back (as though part of an audience) and not an actor on centre stage – which it’s empowered to do.”

    In the sense that the government has been cowed by false ‘stolen generations’ rhetoric that it fails to protect children from sexual violence, I agree. What we need is another rescued generation. There are practical steps that can be taken to alleviate the situation. But wanking leftists would prefer that the immiseration continue so they can pretend to do something useful, thus indulging their raging case of white saviour complex.

  103. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 1, 2022 3:27 pm

    “Guess it’s what a Vassal (in service to an Empire) does.”

    Indeed. That is the role we have chosen. If we were prepared to develop nuclear weapons and the means of delivering them effectively delivering them then we could afford an independent foreign policy. Better to be a vassal of the US than of China (for now at least).

  104. ivi permalink
    November 1, 2022 3:43 pm

    (“And (white) Australia doesn’t?”

    Nah; an occasional lapsus linguae, in the (un)familiar historical record, perhaps; but, nothing a casual netball sponsor, average wannabe-cattle-baroness, or anyone else, really, need concern themself too much about….

    ….lest (ongoing?) ‘poisoning the well’, and/or (re-)emergent contra-Voice(s), disturb the ‘great Australian silence’; one might (almost) suppose.)

  105. November 1, 2022 4:35 pm

    Re:

    Better to be a vassal of the US than of China …

    Not sure about that. China negotiated BRI trading deals with something in the order of 160 Nations, but makes no demands for siting military bases. Perhaps it just and example of ‘oriental inscrutability’?

    As you would know, the USA (a declining Empire) has more than 800+ such military establishments in more than 80 Nations and counts the cost of such missions as ‘foreign aid’.

    Clever aren’t they?

  106. November 1, 2022 4:44 pm

    Splats, those who were part of the “eugenics movement” (and many prominent people were) might need to be understood in their historical context. (Not an excuse – just an explanation.)

    Worth remembering

    It was Francis Galton, a cousin of Darwin, who coined the term “eugenics” in 1883 while advocating that society should promote the marriage of what he felt were the fittest individuals by providing monetary incentives.

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2022 5:52 pm

    1. Cameron Leckis, one of about 4,000 majors in the Australian army. What a high flyer! Way up at the 7th tier of command! And achieved that in the space of 24 years
    2. Only a weird, embittered, blinkered anti western democracy type would prefer the ascendency of a country with the human rights record of China

  108. November 1, 2022 7:18 pm

    ToM – seems like you have a comprehension problem and at so many levels. Also appears that your self-concept could do with a bit of help as well.

    As for having an admirable ‘human rights’ record would you care to make a nomination? Perhaps the USA for its treatment of slaves? The British for aiding and abetting it for so long?

    How about Australia’s attempted genocide of the Aboriginal population? Poisoned waterholes? A does of arsenic in the flour? Perhaps for the “White Australia Policy”?

    What about the “Century of Humiliation” as applied to China?

    Or doesn’t the treatment of the ‘black, brown and yellow etc’ (those who aren’t white) deserve any time in the spotlight?

    Or will you now resort to “context” as you do with the Cuban Crisis?

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    November 1, 2022 8:24 pm

    Way up at the 7th tier of command!

    Higher than your military rank … ? You did serve?

    As for 7th???

    1. Private (Rifleman, Craftsman, Trooper depends on Corp – Regiment)
    2. Lance Corporal
    3. Corporal
    4. Sergeant
    3. Staff Sergeant
    4. WO1
    5. WO2
    6. Regimental Sergeant Major (RSM) – usually a WO2 but considered higher than other WOs. These NC officers really do “run” the army.

    Now we salute. (The Commission – not the man)

    7. First Lt.
    8. Second Lt.
    9. Captain
    10. Major

    Then Lt Col., Col., Brigadier, General …

    If your gonna burble do your checking first …

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2022 8:25 pm

    How completely stupid
    You talk about the events of a century ago, as if that should determine our our international relations today
    You’re hooked on the most ridiculous false equivalence. Anything that’s anti western democracy seems to meet your approval

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2022 8:29 pm

    How many levels above TB?

  112. November 1, 2022 8:40 pm

    What is somewhat amusing is that anybody would choose to evaluate the quality of a ‘point of view’ (or argument) by reference to that person’s position in a hierarchy.

    Would’ve thought the fact that he is finalising his PhD might be of greater relevance. But apparently not.

  113. November 1, 2022 9:00 pm

    ToM – did you know that the American Empire has been at War every year but 2 since the end of WWII? Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan …. it’s a long, long list.

    China on the the hand hasn’t invaded anyone in the same time period. Neither does it demand ‘regime change’.

    Or doesn’t your historical knowledge/perspective extend beyond last week?

    Stop being so crudely ethnocentric and try to look at the world from the others’ point of view – at least on the odd occasion.

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 1, 2022 9:03 pm

    It is like saying -“the assistant deputy principal at Nambour Primary School doesn’t like the federal government’s education policy”
    He/she might be right, or not.
    And is almost finished a PhD! WOW!
    Nonetheless, all you do is side with anyone who is critical of western democracies.
    I see Silvio Berlusconi appears to share your views on Ukraine. Congratulations

  115. November 1, 2022 9:49 pm

    So “Silvio Berlusconi appears to share your views on Ukraine”.

    Well then my views (not sure what ‘views’ you’re referring to) must therefore be wrong. Lol.

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    November 2, 2022 9:43 am

    Would’ve thought the fact that he is finalising his PhD might be of greater relevance. But apparently not.

    Chuckle … indeed!

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    November 2, 2022 9:45 am

    China on the the hand hasn’t invaded anyone in the same time period. Neither does it demand ‘regime change’.

    ToM, I recommend you go to the library and borrow this book … read it and return to this conversation.

    https://www.penguin.com.au/books/on-china-9780141049427

  118. November 2, 2022 6:37 pm

    Re:

    Government lawyers who flagged the original Robodebt proposal as illegal later “appeared to come under pressure” from then Social Services Minister Scott Morrison to provide advice about the scheme so it could be submitted to the Finance Department, the royal commission has been told.

    That’s a genuine problem that goes far beyond Robodebt and Morrison. Large government departments tend to have their own ‘in-house’ legal Units which are employed for what might be called ‘routine matters’. For more complex issues, reference is usually made to Crown Law. On some occasions, particularly when the political stakes are high, Crown Law will then ‘out source’ to private firms.

    Nevertheless, there’s judgement calls to be made, including political ones. A Minister, over time, may identify those within his/her own Department who are more likely to give the advice wanted. But if that ‘advice’ is included in a Cabinet submission (and Cabinet is properly run) then another Minister seeking a briefing from within his/her own department may (and should) challenge that Cabinet submission if there’s contrary advice.

    Be interesting to see what emerges. Possible that no Minister would challenge Morrison in the Cabinet room. Possible that the LNP Cabinet had no clearly defined process. Possible that ‘late’ submissions were permitted, allowing Ministers to ‘ambush’ their colleagues.

    (An aggressive Minister can steamroll the Cabinet, particularly when it’s too late to get advice.)

    In a sense the LNP Cabinet (and its processes) is on trial.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-02/qld-robodebt-scott-morrison-pressure-despite-legal-concerns/101596280

  119. November 2, 2022 7:10 pm

    Dr Scott Burchill used to be on the ABC on a regular basis but even a cursory read of his latest article will explain why he’s gone missing. He opens with:

    … is no doubt that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is a serious war crime regardless of several provocations, including NATO’s eastward expansion and the role of the United States in the 2014 Maidan coup.

    Yes – it’s a serious ‘war crime’. But that shouldn’t see him ignored by the national broadcaster. He then goes on:

    Those outraged by Russia’s violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty are on solid ground providing they regard the invasion as an attack upon a principle that should be upheld universally. However, if their concern is selective – and they remain supportive of or indifferent towards other comparable crimes – they are in no position to lecture Moscow on international morality.

    So Burchill wants to talk about principles. Now that’s very dangerous (and unfamiliar) ground. Particularly when principles tend to be enduring. Why they can last decades but more likely to last centuries.

    He asserts that – “Washington knows Ukraine cannot prevail despite pouring weapons and munitions into the country. It cares little for the civilian population and, together with the UK, is firmly opposed to a diplomatic resolution.”

    By training Ukrainian troops, some of whom may be neo-Nazis, Australia has formally joined the conflict in precisely the same way it did in Vietnam exactly 60 years ago.

    He concludes – “This, in no way, mitigates or justifies Putin’s crime of invading Ukraine, an act for which he should be tried in the International Court of Justice. Regrettably, this is about as likely as Bush, Blair and Howard being held accountable for their invasion of Iraq in 2003.”

    Dear oh dear. With views like that – no air-time for Scott.

  120. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 2, 2022 8:52 pm

    MN

    Robodebt was started by Shorten/Labor. Data matching between the ATO and Centrelink was started under labor in the early 1990’s. In 2012 Shorten/ALP automated the process. Robodebt was started by LABOR.

    In 2016 the Coalition ramped up labors Robodebt scheme and introduced a new computer method to determine income called income averaging.

    Income averaging turned out to be a disaster. Furthermore, it was illegal. I have no idea why income averaging was illegal

  121. Tom R permalink
    November 3, 2022 9:21 am

    Just checking back in, apparently, there’s still ….. a war going on somewhere :groan: , and nil still can’t understand … 😯

    I’ve been recovering from a back operation, which hurt far more than I thought/hoped? On the mend now though.

    Meanwhile, Tim Dunlops thoughts on twitters knew 🙂 overlord (it has been entertaining watching a self entitled prick flush $4billion down the drain). The real question for me now is, Matodon or BlueSkySocial? Tough times indeed (and that’s before I decide on how to refinance my mortgage 😦 )

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    November 3, 2022 3:15 pm

    I’ve been recovering from a back operation

    GWS! TR … you’ve probably seen this … but if not … it’ll put a smile on yer dial …

    I suspect, The Good Lord ToM, is currently in denial … 😎

    https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/spirit-of-disappointment-qantas-tops-choice-shonky-awards-list/news-story/94960ea377c04adbc935d45cb8370f88

  123. November 3, 2022 5:53 pm

    Yes Tom R – get (very) well soon! If not earlier.

    Is it true that Musk is contemplating a fee of $20 a month? And if so – how many (what percentage) will depart?

    So where can they go? (Know nothing about the platform(s).

  124. Tom R permalink
    November 3, 2022 9:37 pm

    “We had several months of poor performance earlier in the year, but it’s improved significantly since August and we’re back to our pre-Covid level of service,” they said.

    So, they’ve gone from Shonky Award winners, back to just shit, hey TB. In their opinion. I have noticed a large number of Qantas ‘feel good’ stories appearing on the nightly ‘news’, not sure it’s having the desired effect yet.

    As for alternatives MN, I’m looking at Mastodon or BlueSkySocial atm. But, it’s going to be hard to be quality entertainment like this 😉

  125. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2022 9:46 am

    The robodebt inquiry just keeps unearthing more and more reprehensible behaviour by old mate morriscum

    Not only did he fast track the program once he had been advised that it was probably illegal, he also pushed in geo-targeting. If you lived on a “bad street”, you were chosen. He truly excelled at persecuting (illegally) the most vulnerable. It makes sense, ‘his’ bible tells him so.

    Ms Pulford agreed with counsel assisting Justin Greggery KC: “That it appeared pressure was coming from a clearance by minister Morrison to have a new policy proposal developed to the point where it might be submitted to the Department of Finance”.

    She agreed the advice was being sought in relation to proposals, such as the capability to detect, investigate and prosecute suspected fraud and noncompliance in the context of social welfare payments.

    They also included the “utilisation of new technology to increase data analytics, complex network analysis and geospatial analysis and establishing a capability for real-time monitoring and risk-profiling”.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-02/qld-robodebt-scott-morrison-pressure-despite-legal-concerns/101596280

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2022 9:51 am

    THIEVES!

    Almost one-third of large corporations paid no income tax in Australia in 2020-2021, including more than half of the nation’s major mining, energy and water companies, a new report shows.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/03/australia-tax-transparency-report-almost-a-third-large-companies-pay-zero-income-tax

    More thieving …

    Contract records show the former chief of the Australian defence force Sir Angus Houston is being paid $470,000 for his work on the defence strategic review, while the former Labor defence minister Stephen Smith will receive $306,496.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/03/two-former-defence-leaders-paid-almost-800000-to-review-australias-military-capabilities

    Talk about Dodgy Brothers …

    “G’day, I’m LNP! And I’m ALP! And we’re … the Dodgy Brothers!

  127. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2022 9:57 am

    BUT IT’S LEGAL!!!!

    (hopefully not for long)

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2022 10:23 am

    1. How much tax should those companies pay? Do you wish to tax a loss?
    2. Choice does a fair job, but each year they look for a headline. This year it is Qantas’ turn
    3. It’s f**king stupid to have a position along the lines of- every time we condemn Russia’s brutality, we also have to say- “but look at the US (or us)

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2022 10:31 am

    For example, AGL is currently trading at $7, it has lost 75% of its value in the past few years. It is making huge losses.
    If you’ve held their shares for 20 years you have ZERO capital gain.
    How much tax should they be paying?

  130. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2022 10:52 am

    How much tax should they be paying?

    The same amount others are. If they are losing money, either run your business better, or get out of the way. All they are doing is moving their profits where we can’t tax them, so, bugger off this ‘running at a loss’ bullshit.

    If(?) AGL have lost that much, after fleecing its customers so heavily over that period, then sack management and get a lawnmower man in to run the bloody operation

  131. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2022 10:55 am

    hmm, will he or won’t he?

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2022 11:10 am

    It is making huge losses.

    You never “make” a loss … you “suffer” it.

    How much tax should those companies pay? Do you wish to tax a loss?

    Certainly, if a company wants be part of a national lotto! Remember “provisional tax”.

  133. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2022 11:14 am

    Typical stupidity.
    Transfer payments between branches of international companies are different to losses in domestic companies.
    But dills just lump them all together

  134. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 4, 2022 11:29 am

    “Do you wish to tax a loss?”

    Of course they do – they really are that fucking stupid!

  135. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 4, 2022 12:57 pm

    Funny to see leftists shitting themselves because Twitter may now allow diverse opinions! And even humour, which is a totally alien concept to the finger-wagging fuckwits of woke.

  136. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 4, 2022 12:58 pm

    Of course she will pay – she’s too vain not to:

  137. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2022 2:24 pm

    Twitter may now allow diverse opinions

    Ah, you mean like the 500% jump in the use of the ‘n’ word from the moment he took over, THAT kind of fReE sPeEcH 😉

  138. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2022 2:35 pm

    Transfer payments between branches of international companies are different to losses in domestic companies.

    Unless their losses are because they are transferring profits between branches 😯

  139. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2022 2:43 pm

    Really? Can you describe the domestic corporate entity that can do that?
    Which loss making domestic company should pay tax?

  140. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 4, 2022 3:14 pm

    “Ah, you mean like …”

    Tom R, that would be lefty trolls like you. You need to shut down your troll farm:

    “Over the last 48 hours, we’ve seen a small number of accounts post a ton of Tweets that include slurs and other derogatory terms,” Roth tweeted. “To give you a sense of scale: More than 50,000 Tweets repeatedly using a particular slur came from just 300 accounts.”

    Musk did not change Twitter’s moderation policy.

    However, Twitter has a history of spreading misinformation by suppressing accurate news so that the mongrel Biden could win an election. Hopefully this will change.

  141. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2022 3:27 pm

    Musk did not change Twitter’s moderation policy.

    Exactly, but, he has indicated that he wants to, and that was just a small indication of what he can expect.

  142. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2022 3:44 pm

    You still seem confused about multi nationals and domestic companies.
    Did you notice my use of the word “domestic”?

  143. November 4, 2022 5:47 pm

    Re:

    every time we condemn Russia’s brutality, we also have to say- “but look at the US (or us)

    ToM – don’t believe you’ve ever condemned the American Empire and its ‘brutality’ ever – but perhaps you have a link? Plenty of opportunities – because our involvement in their wars seems never-ending. Been at war ever since the end of WWII – except for 2 years.

    Australian Citizens can’t vote in Russian elections and as we don’t have ‘defense’ treaties with Russia either, our opportunities to exert leverage is somewhat limited or perhaps even non-existent?

    On the other hand, we can vote in Australian elections (but NOT sadly not for the Leader). So in a real ‘democracy’ we should have the ability to decide what Nation(s) we become Vassals to.

    Don’t you think we should be:

    … shocked, angered, and disturbed about what we learnt from The Washington Post about the secret insertion of senior US defence officials and Admirals into the Australian defence establishment. At least one served in a very senior decision-making role within The Australian Department of Defence as an American citizen.

    So an American Citizen can ‘influence’ Department of Defence decisions but even that knowledge of that ‘influence’ is denied to Australian Citizens.

    What’s next – Droit du seigneur ?

  144. November 4, 2022 6:00 pm

    Speaking of Twitter.

    Just so ToM doesn’t forget who Ritter is. (Last time it was more than 2 decades.)

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2022 7:36 pm

    Twitter may now allow diverse opinions!

    “Diverse” – read – “extreme” “neo nazi” … opinions …

    … they really are that fucking stupid!

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2022 7:44 pm

    Unless their losses are because they are transferring profits between branches 😯

    But dills just lump them all together LOL! Ohhhh! Yeahhhh!

    … they really are that fucking stupid!

    LOL!

    Tom R, that would be lefty trolls like you.

    Says the biggest con troll here! LOL!

    Hopefully this will change.

    Only if you like untruths and trolling … a FREE ELECTION … proved time and time again!

    Get over it … meditate … and expect your hero in jail within 6 months!

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2022 7:45 pm

    You still seem confused about multi nationals and domestic companies.
    Did you notice my use of the word “domestic”?

    No confusion here … one pays taxes … ‘tother don’t … what’s yer problem?

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2022 7:54 pm

    1. RB how much tax do you think a company that makes a loss (such as AGL) should pay? AGL was mentioned in the article you linked
    2. There is a current war and current war crimes. Why is it in any way required to discuss previous wars?
    And.MN, did you read the United Nations report on Russian war crimes? Did you find a United Nations report that is as damning of any other country?

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2022 7:59 pm

    Droit du seigneur ?

    Did it ever go away?

    MN, The Robber Barons are alive and well … and we have evidence of their vassals (enablers) working vigorously for them still …

    Can’t resist an ancient war cry:

    I prefer to live in a society, not survive in an economy!

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2022 8:00 pm

    Who’s RB? 🙄

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2022 8:04 pm

    RB how much tax do you think a company that makes a loss (such as AGL) should pay? AGL was mentioned in the article you linked

    Read this if you can … and comprehend . Profit slides … because of?????

    https://www.afr.com/companies/energy/agl-profit-slides-as-review-ongoing-20220818-p5bb13

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2022 8:11 pm

    PS! I’m a customer of AGL … because Origin screwed us and a thousands of others … stop defending greedy companies that have no idea of service!

    As an example I switched from Telstra (after quite a few decades) to AussieBroadband … chalk and cheese with product (super-fast and customer managed), transparency, information, customer recognition and PRICE … the simple lesson here is provide service and the dollas will folla!

    And they pay tax!

    Stop sneezing up dickhead CEO’s arses … open yer eyes! er, brain …

  153. November 4, 2022 8:14 pm

    Yes ToM – it’s best to forget “war crimes” that happened in the past. Bush, Blair and Howard welcome that ‘cut-off’ Lol.

    (And this sudden reliance on UN reports reveals a woeful ignorance of how the UN actually operates – how it’s used and abused – and what its track record is. Do some (historical) reading!

    Sadly, the UN General Assembly is little more than a debating club. And with the Security Council effectively paralysed by the Veto power its overall impotence is well recognised in the literature.

    Could provide any number of links to that effect BUT the evidence suggests that they won’t be read. So sad!

  154. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2022 8:26 pm

    The is a United Nations report on Russian war crimes. Have you read it? (Answer – no)
    Can you identify a similar, damning report on the war crimes of a western democracy? ( Answer- no)
    Despite this, you constantly seek to provide context around the brutality of Putin.

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2022 8:30 pm

    TB , this was your comment about AGL not paying tax
    “THIEVES”
    Now (typically) you’re walking away from that

  156. November 4, 2022 8:39 pm

    The biggest ‘taxpayer’ in Australia is once again BHP. (Unlikely that any individual would rank in the top 50.)

    Having paid that money (probably the minimum demanded by the law), does it still belong to BHP?

    Or is it a (voluntary) donation that BHP makes?

    Is BHP entitled to determine how this ‘taxpayer’ money is spent?

    If so, then on what grounds?

    Should BHP shareholders (effectively taxpayers) be entitled to vote (even if they are not citizens)?

    And so it goes.

  157. November 4, 2022 9:02 pm

    ToM – so you’ve taken to answering your own questions? Worrying?

    Here’s a question for you.

    What Nation was the subject of a scathing UN report consisting of 348 recommendations that address myriad human rights violations? Yes 348 recommendations. – somewhat of a record.

    (Examples include –

    the illegal detention of immigrant families and children,

    failure to investigate allegations of torture .

    excessive use of force as well as racial profiling against minorities and immigrants.

    excessive use of force by law enforcement officials against members of ethnic and racial minorities, including unarmed persons, which disproportionately affect Afro American and undocumented migrants.)

  158. November 4, 2022 9:51 pm

    Why one should have no sympathy for the (alleged) committing of war crimes, one should not be selective in the attribution of same. It matters not whether the offenders came from Russia, Ukraine, the United States or Australia.

    A war crime is a war crime and any offenders should have their ‘day in court’. It’s called “due process’. A UN Report is no substitute for that. A UN Report should be just the beginning of a process. It’s NOT a Court.

    Referring to a UN Report and then selectively citing same is intellectually dishonest. But that was done in this instance. Hello ToM.

    So let me cite the UN Report as well. (And as expected the alleged fault is not confined to the one (Russian) side. It’s another powerful reason why War should be avoided whenever possible.)

    So here’s a more honest appraisal of what was said.

    “Ukrainian forces were also responsible for human rights violations, said Commissioner Pablo de Greiff”

    Strange that the Western Media didn’t mention that.

    Strange that when it comes to the UN, “secret ballots” are also off the agenda.

    Perhaps the most powerful Empire the world has known wants to know – “who is with us”? Because “if you’re not with us, you must be against us”.

    And why would any minor Nation risk that? So they don’t risk it. Because they know that UN General Assembly votes have little or no long-term effects.

    But I thought everyone knew that. (Another reason why our democracy has some problems. The voters just don’t do the necessary work.)

  159. November 5, 2022 8:27 am

    Not just AGL that’s in trouble. Look at Germany for a start.

    Seems that ‘sanctions’ have rebounded. But not to the USA.

  160. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 5, 2022 12:23 pm

    You’ve Completely lost the plot MN. Swallowed all the pro Putin talking points
    * A secret ballot in Russia’s illegal, brutal invasion. So you’re not in favour of citizens of a country being aware of the policies of their government
    * There are 193 members of the United Nations, but you think all but 4 just fall into line with the US. Are you aware that UN membership is voluntary?
    * Ukraine human rights…it was reported here, as was the Amnesty International report that was critical of Ukraine. But all that pales by comparison with Russia sending missiles into schools, hospitals and shopping centres. It’s your typical false equivalence
    * Then you mention the human rights record of Australia, US etc. You’re so blinkered in your disdain for western democracy that you can’t comprehend scale. Here’s a simple suggestion – compare the number of pages of the Amnesty International report on Russia with that on Australia. It will provide some perspective for you.

  161. November 6, 2022 1:15 pm

    Not sure that “democracy” is the best form of government or not but fairly confident (know) that we haven’t given a real “democracy” an honest try. And that’s the case in the United States of America as well.

    As the New Yorker reports:

    American government has never been a government “by the people.” … The fundamental problem is that, as the law stands, even when the system is working the way it’s designed to work and everyone who is eligible to vote does vote, the government we get does not reflect the popular will.

    Michael Kinsley’s law of scandal applies. The scandal isn’t what’s illegal. The scandal is what’s legal.

    … true representative democracy, in which everyone who might be affected by government policy has an equal say in choosing the people who make that policy, had never been tried. So they wrote a rule book, the Constitution, that places limits on what the government can do, regardless of what the majority wants.

    Yep – never been tried.

    … may also make many policies that a majority of Americans say they favor, such as a ban on assault weapons, virtually impossible to enact because of an ambiguous sentence written in an era in which pretty much the only assault weapon widely available was a musket.

    .. obviously, is the Electoral College, which in two of the past six elections has chosen a President who did not win the popular vote … Another check on democracy is the Senate, an almost comically malapportioned body that gives Wyoming’s five hundred and eighty thousand residents the same voting power as California’s thirty-nine million. The District of Columbia, which has ninety thousand more residents than Wyoming and twenty-five thousand more than Vermont, has no senators.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/22/american-democracy-was-never-designed-to-be-democratic-eric-holder-our-unfinished-march-nick-seabrook-one-person-one-vote-jacob-grumbach-laboratories-against-democracy

  162. November 6, 2022 2:07 pm

    Which Empire blocks life supporting aid? Even though the UN General Assembly votes overwhelming in support of lifting the blockade (latest 185 to 2 with 2 abstaining) and has done so for more than 50 years.

    And some wonder why smaller Nations are reluctant to …

  163. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 7, 2022 11:15 am

    Smaller nations are mostly dictatorships. No reasonable person pays any attention to the Dictator’s Club known as the UN General Assembly:

    The United Nations–United Thugs

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    November 7, 2022 11:31 am

    Smaller nations are mostly dictatorships.

    Don’t ya love Google.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/dictatorship-countries

  165. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 7, 2022 12:10 pm

    To kick off a discussion beyond those that are ignorant Putin apologists, I sent this email to Tony Burke.

    Dear Minister
    I am concerned about the proposed changes to the Workplace Relations Act, and the proposed industry wide bargaining.
    May I suggest that industry wide bargaining be available to workers in industries and workers that observe only minimum award rates. This will allow for more equitable wage settlements in underpaid industries, and won’t risk a wages breakout.
    Thank you
    Tom

  166. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 7, 2022 12:14 pm

    Good suggestion ToM.

  167. November 7, 2022 1:04 pm

    Speaking of apologists:

    nearly impossible to avoid concluding that the U.S. was either directly responsible for the Nord Stream I and II sabotage or supervised those who were. … Europe’s creeping economic ruin is the most immediate, tangible casualty of the war in Ukraine the U.S. provoked and the sanctions regime against Russia the U.S. leads and the European Union backs.

    The nearly incredible refusal of Germany and its neighbors to stick up for themselves on the pipeline question suggests that the larger consequence is the final collapse of all pretense that Europe is other than a collection of vassal states subservient to the U.S., even at the expense of their own citizens.

    Think about this the next time the Biden administration bangs on about the sanctity of Ukraine’s sovereignty.

    And Australia is choosing to deepen its ties with this Empire in decline.

    https://scheerpost.com/2022/10/22/patrick-lawrence-europes-self-destruction/

  168. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 7, 2022 1:43 pm

    You seem determined to prove you’re a f**king idiot.
    Western democracies are becoming more united, despite your wish that was otherwise. You’d prefer a world where smaller nations could be picked off by autocratic nuclear powers.
    Your favoured regimes of Russia and China make up about 17% of the world’s economy.
    NATO counties, with other western democracies make up over 50%
    Typically dull, short sighted and superficial

  169. November 7, 2022 4:00 pm

    Things are certainly changing and quickly. Becoming a multi-polar world. And here’s a link to some evidence.

    Nothing like a few facts that can’t be wished away. Lol

  170. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 7, 2022 4:17 pm

    Yes, I’m sure Saudi Arabia has just your kind of regime
    * Stand by for some expert analysis from a convicted child sex offender
    * Bow to the demands of any regime with nuclear weapons
    * “Asia thinks”
    * Don’t criticise Putin or Xi, because we have an imperfect record
    * Look over there!

  171. November 7, 2022 4:49 pm

    Seems like you have to spend big to win elections in Australia.

    Perhaps Necessary but not Sufficient if you asked Clive Palmer.

    The six successful teals were big beneficiaries of the Climate 200 group, which made $5.96 million in declared donations.

    Monique Ryan, who spent $2.122 million to defeat the sitting treasurer Josh Frydenberg in the Melbourne seat of Kooyong.

    Climate 200 has long argued it needed to back pro-climate action candidates to level the playing field and make sure the independents were competitive with representatives of the major parties.

    In a statement, the group said more than 11,200 Australians donated to the effort in the lead up to the election.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-07/climate-200-nearly-6-million-in-political-donations-election/101624016

    Perhaps reform(s) in this area might improve our “democracy”?

    Or it it already a perfect specimen? With no more evolution possible? And if not – what other reforms might be possible?

  172. November 7, 2022 6:16 pm

    Time for a fairy tale.

    Once upon a time, there was this Pirate who was very, very cruel but he was a great ‘explorer’.

    In his travels, he captured a vessel carrying pilgrims. This pirate looted the ship that was carrying 400 pilgrims among them were 50 women. He then proceeded to lock in every passenger on board and raze the ship.

    Women were bringing up their wealth and babies and begging for mercy. It is said that they brought up enough gold to ransom all the Christians in the Kingdom .

    But this pirate would not spare any and burned alive every man, woman and child.

    So horrific were these crimes that the Christian rulers of the time would not recognise his achievements. Thus they refused to take the sea route to India and preferred (to continue) to travel the overland route for ever and a day. (Said it was a fairy tale.)

    So it was with Biden and MBS. Say one thing but do another.

    President Joe Biden gave a friendly fist bump to Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who the CIA has said likely ordered the brutal 2018 slaying of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi in Turkey

    Biden also had promised during his 2020 presidential campaign to make the Saudi government “pay the price and make them in fact the pariah that they are.”

    As Kissinger said: America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.

    An that applies to other Nations as well. Australia should note well. But for Ukraine (and what’s left of it) it’s a bit late.

  173. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 8, 2022 8:11 am

    You continually provide links to the opinions of Henry Kissinger. Is he another “go to man” for you?
    Here’s a 1979 article pointing out that even relatively soon after his period as Secretary of State, he was regarded as a failure

    You seem to have an affinity with failures

  174. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 8, 2022 9:12 am

    “Australia should note well.”

    Yes. And avoid sucking up to China as some here seem to suggest.

  175. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 8, 2022 2:55 pm

    Interesting:

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 10, 2022 11:48 am

    MN’s go to experts –
    * A criminal, convicted of child sexual offences
    * Someone who was at the 7th rung down on the chain of command, who has almost finished his studies
    * A failed airline executive
    What do they have to say?
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-10/what-fall-of-kherson-means-for-putin/101636908

  177. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 10, 2022 11:56 am

    Yesterday I was listening to the parliamentary debate on the ALP’s “give the unions a leg up” legislation.
    Assistant Treasurer Stephen Jones spent his allocated time talking about a Wollongong union hack from the 1980s. Irrelevant and unimpressive.
    I still think my suggestion is very sound- that multi-employer bargaining be limited to those industries and workers that pay only minimum award rates.

  178. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2022 10:59 am

    A Dutch court is today expected to hand down its verdict on the shooting down of flight MH17 in 2014.
    It will prove to be yet another example of the criminality of Putin’s regime

  179. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 14, 2022 12:19 pm

    Putin has not only lost his mind but also his brain:

  180. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 14, 2022 3:20 pm

    There is a crypto angle to everything, even Democrat corruption:

  181. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 15, 2022 10:18 am

    Of course they do:

  182. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 15, 2022 10:36 pm

    As an example I switched from Telstra (after quite a few decades) to AussieBroadband …

    I switched from Telstra to TPG several years ago for one reason only. Price. Telstra is the best but they are expensive.

    I recently left the NBN and signed up to TPGs 4G wireless broadband. So far it is great. I have this cute modem. No need for the dinosaur NBN box on the wall. The downside is i lost my landline.

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2022 7:48 pm

    Chuckle … everyone must be finding an alternative to “genius” Musk’s “platform” …

  184. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 17, 2022 3:03 pm

    The downside is i lost my landline.

    I was worried about losing my landline not because i use it but because every now and then i misplace my mobile phone. So i ring it to find where it is.

    I only switched to 4G wireless because i found a way to ring my mobile without a landline phone. If you have a Google account you can sinc your account with your mobile. Google has a program called “”Find My Device””. So you can ring your mobile with a computer. Useful if you are forgetful like me.

  185. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 17, 2022 3:35 pm

    PS- not only can you get your mobile phone to ring using your computer, it also gives the approximate location if you have location turned on. It can locate your phone to within 10 meters.

    You get a google map circle with shows where your phone is within 10 meters

  186. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2022 4:17 pm

    “everyone must be finding an alternative to “genius” Musk’s “platform”

    This place is it, TB. Welcome to paradise!

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2022 5:52 pm

    Welcome to paradise!

    Speaking of paradise …

    The characters in our (latest) favourite TV series, Diriliş: Ertuğrul, translated as Resurrection: Ertuğrul on SBS … talk a lot about becoming martyrs and going to jannah …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirili%C5%9F:_Ertu%C4%9Frul ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ ⭐

    Really good production/fight scenes/intrigue/horsemanship all based on the history of Turks/Muslims (and Mongols … Templars)… and … wait for it … we finished episode 103 last night … only 168 to go! Well worth the time …

  188. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 17, 2022 7:47 pm

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-17/andrew-forrest-rebuilding-ukraine-744-million/101667346

    Good on Twiggy Forrest

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2022 7:51 pm

    Dr Twiggy … apparently …

  190. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 21, 2022 11:10 am

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2022 12:24 pm

    If that were true you wouldn’t have to make shit up …

    Australia is a net exporter of gas and coal. This means we export most of our fossil fuels overseas. As the global price of coal increases, the cost of generating domestic electricity from coal is increasing.

    What’s more, many of Australia’s coal generators are ageing, which means they fail more often. At present, nearly 30 per cent of our coal generation is offline.

    The price spike comes as coal plant owners look for the exit.

    Australia’s largest coal plant, Eraring, has been operating for 35 years. In February, Origin announced it would shut Eraring seven years ahead of schedule in 2025 because renewable energy was impacting profitability.

    Origin’s new challenge is securing enough coal to run Eraring at its full 2.8 gigawatt capacity. The problem is set to persist into 2023.

    This is not only due to a difficult global environment, but also domestic delivery difficulties due to supply chain disruptions.

    https://7news.com.au/business/energy/why-are-energy-prices-getting-so-high-an-expert-weighs-in-on-the-crisis-engulfing-australia-c-7033152

    I guess its a case of one fossil fool protecting another fossil fuel …

  192. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 21, 2022 1:29 pm

    I’m just so grateful that energy prices will be dropping soon.

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2022 5:51 pm

    Go solar! No deposit and pays itself off … instead of paying power bills (we haven’t paid a bill for over a decade – amortised cost in three years) … and don’t forget solar hot water systems, we’re on our second – now 38 years!

    Here’s just one example of no deposit:

    https://www.solararena.com.au/solar-for-0-up-front/

    You like graphs? Have a look here:

    https://aemo.com.au/en/energy-systems/electricity/national-electricity-market-nem/data-nem/data-dashboard-nem

    Coal is the killer! (in so many ways!)

  194. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 21, 2022 6:24 pm

    TB

    All the subsidies that solar gets makes it hard to say that solar is cheaper and pays itself off. In contrast coal fired power stations get zero govt money. Plus i read that solar stresses the grid (whatever that means), so more money needs to be spent on maintenance.

    I have a relative who lives off-grid and had to spend $30,000 for a solar system to run everything. It was the batteries that were the main cost.

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2022 7:51 pm

    All the subsidies that solar gets makes it hard to say that solar is cheaper and pays itself off.

    No subsidies involved IF you read my comment above … you’re living in the past – as usual.

    In contrast coal fired power stations get zero govt money.

    Put simply that is BS … IF you read my comments above … what’s annoying is that they do get subsidised!

    Plus i read that solar stresses the grid (whatever that means), so more money needs to be spent on maintenance.

    More money has needed to be spent on the grid since most states grids were PRIVATISED … luckily I live in a state where we (voters) ensured that the STATE owns the grid … it is now READY for renewable energy …

    I have a relative who lives off-grid and had to spend $30,000 for a solar system to run everything. It was the batteries that were the main cost.

    I don’t know any details of your relative … when, how, where, what … but if your relative thought spending $30, 000 was a good idea I suggest you ask her/him why?

    And THIS is coming to Queensland!

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220511-can-gravity-batteries-solve-our-energy-storage-problems

  196. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 21, 2022 8:45 pm

    TB

    I did a quick google search and found this.

    What solar panel rebates are available in Queensland? In 2022, Queenslanders can get solar incentives worth on average $2,772 for a standard 5kW solar system installed under the national SRE scheme.
    It is applied as a discount at the point of sale to reduce the cost of going solar

    And it is news to me that coal fired power stations get a subsidy. Now the coal
    mine might but the power station does not. Anyway the coal mine pays back more in taxes than any govt subsidy.

    And i did read that solar power stresses the grid so more money has to be spent on maintenance. Nothing to do with privitisation.

    My relative lives off-grid. So has to power washing machine, fridge, air-conditioner everything with solar. It means expensive batteries are needed.

  197. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 22, 2022 12:19 pm

    They aren’t sending their best:

  198. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2022 6:31 pm

    Monique Ryan and Greens renew push to lower Australia’s voting age to 16
    What a typically stupid proposal from Monique.
    16 year olds are too young to choose to marry.
    They aren’t allowed to legally drink
    They’re not responsible enough to drive.
    But they should help choose the government?
    Stupid

  199. November 23, 2022 8:23 pm

    Perhaps a bit more “context”

    “Jacinda Ardern has said the New Zealand government will draft legislation to change the voting age to 16, after a landmark supreme court ruling that the existing age of 18 was discriminatory and breached the human rights of young people.

    Ardern said she personally supported changing the age to 16, but would take the question to parliament. …”

    Can’t see how changing the voting age to 16 would be such a radical development. Besides, it’s not as though the majority of ‘adults’ take voting seriously. Indeed, many see it as a chore.

    Would be different if Citizens could directly make a choice as to who would be PM, or whether Australia should go to war (or not).

    But why stop there, we have the technology to have a more ‘participatory’ democracy (as distinct from a representative model).

    But perhaps a ‘real’ democracy wouldn’t work.

  200. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 23, 2022 11:29 pm

    What would the European Parliament know?
    European Parliament votes to declare Russia a ‘state sponsor of terrorism
    https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/11/23/ukraine-war-european-parliament-declares-russia-a-state-sponsor-of-terrorism

  201. November 23, 2022 11:31 pm

    re:

    16 year olds are too young to choose to marry

    Perhaps. But that view is not (universally) shared across the world. (And even if it was?)

    Some are persuaded by:

    Setting the minimum age of marriage at 18 is ‘un-Islamic’ because it goes against the practice of the Prophet Muhammad, who married Aishah when she was six years old, and consummated the marriage when she reached puberty at the age of nine.

    Do such ‘believers’ really want a ‘democracy’ – where all views are held to be equal? And if one really, really believes it, isn’t one (morally) obliged to do something about it? Or do we also believe that ONE view is JUST one among many? And a modicum of ‘relativism’ makes the world go round?

    Then there’s the Age of Consent:

    In Jordan, 16-year-olds can consent to sex, while in Iraq, they must be 18. In contrast, Bahrain has the highest age of consent in the world, at 21.
    According to South Korea’s Criminal Act Article 305, the age of consent in South Korea is 20 years old.

    Nothing like simple answers are there?

    Anyone remember the times when Australians hated (and wanted to kill), the Aborigines, the Chinese, the Boers, the Turks, the Germans, the Japanese, the Vietnamese, etc etc? And now it’s the Russians and the Chinese (again).

    While the Germans, the Turks (?) the Japanese, and the Vietnamese have been resurrected to be ‘good’ guys once again.

    Nothing like ‘black’ and ‘white’ answers? (Shakes head.)

  202. November 23, 2022 11:42 pm

    What would the UN know?

    Then there’s the resolution on:

  203. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2022 10:13 am

    Meanwhile, Russia has 4 nations at the United Nations that agree with it.
    Syria, North Korea, Belarus, Nicaragua.
    You’re known by the company you keep

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2022 1:41 pm

    Good news … thanks to Cannon-Brookes and 50 year old gas fired turbines …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/24/agl-to-close-torrens-b-island-gas-fired-power-station-south-australia

  205. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 25, 2022 12:01 pm

    I emailed Amnesty International about their report on Ukraine. Their reply, in part, says –
    We believe there were serious errors in the processes that led to this release, and we recognise that there may have been issues with our legal analysis, as some critics have suggested.

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2022 1:39 pm

    God made me do it!

    https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/scathing-report-details-former-prime-minister-scott-morrisons-shocking-secret-ministries-scandal/news-story/d2b1616ab16e5abaad3419504288c64c

    First the Howard government cheating East Timor out of millions of dollars by spying on them – a “friendly” nation … now the Morrison government cheating Australia! Dictator mentality!

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2022 1:40 pm

    Morison should be in jail … or at least OUT of parliament …

    Eventually they catch up! JFC 🙄

  208. November 25, 2022 3:01 pm

    The parlous state of democracy in the USA. Impeachment being the new ‘black’ apparently (or should that be ‘fuchsia’)?

    The next presidential election could see a contest between Trump the already “impeached”. (Indeed, he’s without peer being the only U.S. president and only federal official to be impeached twice.) And then there’s Joe Biden who is likely to suffer the same fate, given the GOP’s winning the House and promising to investigate his links to Hunter Biden’s business dealings.

    But there’s more.

    Merrick Garland, the Attorney General, is under the pump along for appointing a “special counsel” to investigate the Donald again. While the Secretary of homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas, is likely to face the music for “border failures”. Then there’s also the Secretary of State, Anthony Blinken, who will probably be cited for “egregiously inexcusable failures” including the deaths of American Marines in the ill-fated withdrawal from Afghanistan.

    So is this to be the new normal for the USA – and perhaps Australia in somewhat like manner? Here, it’s now to be expected that former PMs will face some form of retrospective scrutiny. Just ask Scott and Kevin.

    Is that a good thing?

  209. November 25, 2022 3:31 pm

    So Morrison’s ‘legal fees’, when facing these inquiries, are to be paid for by the State. (As were Rudd’s in similar circumstances.) And that’s fair enough given such decisions were made while performing ‘official duties’.

    But there’s sure to be negative reactions, particularly if it’s revealed there was definitive (uncontested) legal advice that the actions undertaken were illegal.

    Suspect though that his political defence would be along the lines – “That I was acting in bunum fidei .” Simply attempting to protect the public purse.

  210. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 25, 2022 7:25 pm

    First the Howard government cheating East Timor out of millions of dollars by spying on them – a “friendly” nation …

    I seem to remember Gough Whitlam/ALP giving away East Timor to Indonesia. Howard/Coalition sent in the troops and got them their independence. East Timor would not exist if not for Howard. And i doubt your cheating allegation is correct.

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2022 9:48 am

    Is that a good thing?

    Why not – its good enough for the plebs! If politicians see themselves as a “class” they need to show some …

    As for the lifetime perks … particularly for ex-PMs … time to torch that self indulgent exercise too!

  212. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 26, 2022 1:43 pm

    News today provided a report about ill Putin meeting with the mother’s of dead soldiers.
    Meanwhile the reality is…he doesn’t even have the food grace to meet with real mother’s!

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2022 5:14 pm

    food grace ??

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2022 5:15 pm

    Closer to home. What about Morriscum then, ToM?

  215. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 26, 2022 5:32 pm

    Seems the BS is finally being figured out …

    You lefties will not be happy until we are a Communist state. Last time labor got the govt to build the NBN rather than the private sector. Labor also destroyed our car industry. What will Labor destroy this time?

    Our coal industry is on ALPs hit list. It is the reason some States have cheaper electricity. They have kept their coal fired power stations rather than transition to renewables. The States with the cheapest electricity are those with the smallest percentage of renewables. Nothing to do with privatization.

  216. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 26, 2022 8:06 pm

    TB

    Re you earlier East Timor comments i got this from Wikipedia

    In September 1974, Whitlam met with President Suharto in Indonesia and indicated that he would support Indonesia if it annexed East Timor.[137] At the height of the Cold War, and in the context of the American retreat from Indo-China, he felt that incorporation of East Timor into Indonesia would enhance the stability of the region, and reduce the risk of the East Timorese FRETILIN movement, which many feared was communist, coming to power

    i know you are so proud of Gough Whitlam. Because he is just like you.

    Thank goodness for the great John Howard who sent in the troops and got East Timor their independence.

  217. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 27, 2022 10:12 am

    “food grace ??”

    You should always say grace before meals, TB.

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2022 1:09 pm

    Ahhhh … thanks, splats … 😶

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2022 1:11 pm

    Thank goodness for the great John Howard who sent in the troops and got East Timor their independence.

    Then stole their gas …

  220. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 28, 2022 7:33 pm

    Then stole their gas …

    How did Howard steal East Timor’s gas?

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2022 8:07 pm

    Kneel, are you American?

  222. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 28, 2022 8:28 pm

    TB

    Over the years i have seen lots of allegations against Howard. They are usually wrong.

    The allegation you seem to be making is that Howard got East Timor their independence from Indonesia because he wanted to steal their gas. Seems a little far-fetched.

  223. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2022 11:42 am

    About bloody time someone was caught at it …

    A Victorian restaurant faces a potential fine of more than $1m and jail time for its owner, in an Australian-first wage theft case brought over allegations it underpaid workers by thousands of dollars.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/nov/29/restaurant-faces-1m-fine-for-allegedly-shortchanging-young-staff-in-australia-first-wage-theft-case

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2022 11:51 am

    The allegation you seem to be making is that Howard got East Timor their independence from Indonesia because he wanted to steal their gas. Seems a little far-fetched.

    Not my allegations … but FACT …

    More edification for you, Kneel … the people you seem to worship are nothing but crooked Robber Barons … its lackeys like you who enable the lies, deceit and theft by these nasty people that make it difficult for the majority of Australians AND people in other countries … our supposed friends in particular …

    https://www.voanews.com/a/east-timor-takes-maritime-dispute-with-australia-in-un-court/3528236.html

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-ordered-to-cease-spying-on-east-timor-by-international-court-of-justice-20140304-hvfya.html

  225. Walrus permalink
    November 29, 2022 1:36 pm

    “Good news … thanks to Cannon-Brookes and 50 year old gas fired turbines …”

    And I guess in 2026 we will still be blaming Putin for the lack of electricity and it’s price

  226. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2022 4:44 pm

    TB

    Howard did not get East Timor their independence because he wanted their gas. If East Timor was still part of Indonesia we would still have the same border dispute, it would just be with Indonesia.

    With you lefties you cannot give Howard credit for anything. There is always a but.

    Unemployment fell under Howard BUT he fudged the figures.
    Debt fell under Howard BUT he had a mining boom
    Howard got East Timor their independence BUT he wanted their gas

    Fact is if labor was in power in 1999, East Timor would still be part of Indonesia.

  227. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2022 8:33 pm

    And I guess in 2026 we will still be blaming Putin for the lack of electricity and it’s price

    And I guess you’re still firing the same as a 50+ year old power plant, Wally 😍

  228. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2022 8:35 pm

    Fact is if labor was in power in 1999, East Timor would still be part of Indonesia.

    Fact is you know sweet fuck all about anything! Blind as the mice …

  229. November 30, 2022 9:55 am

    Morrison’s speech was very well written and the delivery was great as well.

    Certainly, that effort did him no harm.

  230. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 30, 2022 12:16 pm

    Fact is you know sweet fuck all about anything! Blind as the mice …
    TB

    You come from the side of politics that misleads and deceives people. So i just assume everything you say is wrong. I found this

    In 1989, when East Timor was still part of Indonesia, the governments of Australia and Indonesia signed what became known as the Timor Gap Treaty,
    which allowed both countries to share in the wealth of the Timor Gap equally.

    So we already had 50%. So you say Howard wanted East Timor independent, so we could get more? you just make stuff up.

    Fact is labor would never have sent in the troops and East Timor would still be part of Indonesia

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2022 6:20 pm

    Howard did not get East Timor their independence because he wanted their gas.

    There is always a but. Ahhh but there always is …

    I suggest you read … and comprehend … the following link … ALL of it …

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/02/cabinet-documents-reveal-australias-interest-in-oil-and-gas-before-timor-leste-bugging

    Fact is labor would never have sent in the troops and East Timor would still be part of Indonesia

    Its not a “Fact” because it never happened … nor does Fairyland …

  232. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 30, 2022 7:37 pm

    TB

    I read your link. It said this

    The documents, still heavily redacted, show cabinet was concerned that Timor-Leste’s independence process may disrupt access to the oil and gas reserves in the Timor Sea, because Australia’s prior agreement with Indonesia for a 50:50 revenue split would be void.

    Like i said earlier we already had a 50:50 split with Indonesia. Your link says the exact OPPOSITE of your point. Cabinet was worried that East Timors independence, “””may disrupt access to the oil and gas”

    So Howard did not send in the troops to get ET’s gas. We already had 50%. ET’s independence may have meant we lost our 50%

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2022 8:12 pm

    Wheeeew! So why the International court case? Which Australia lost. And why the spying on East Timor … beacuase we were cheating a third world nation out of its property … and we are still (with the help of multinationals … doing it!)

    You are the epitomy of Australia becoming a greedy USA!

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2022 8:13 pm

    I read your link.

    But did you comprehend it, Kneel!

  235. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 30, 2022 8:27 pm

    TB

    Your link said we already had a 50:50 split with Indonesia for gas. Cabinet was worried that if East Timor got their independence the ratio may change to 80:20 or 90:10 or even 100% in favor of East Timor.

    Cabinet was worried that East Timors freedom may mean we lose access to the Timor gas fields.

    THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF YOUR POINT

  236. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2022 3:21 pm

    Cabinet was worried that if East Timor got their independence the ratio may change to 80:20 or 90:10 or even 100% in favor of East Timor.

    Because of the new Border … 😠

    I did say read and comprehend!

  237. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 1, 2022 3:54 pm

    TB

    You said Howard sent in the troops to steal East Timors gas. We already had 50%. Cabinet was worried if we sent in the troops and East Timor became independent, we may lose that 50%

    Read and comprehend!

  238. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 1, 2022 7:15 pm

    Because of the new Border … 😠

    Exactly. What language do you speak TB? It cannot be English

    Before ET independence we had 50% of the Timor Sea gas. After ET independence there would have been a new border so we may have lost some of that 50%

    So that is proof that Howard did not send in the troops to steel East Timors gas. It may have meant we lost our 50%.

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    December 2, 2022 10:42 am

    It may have meant we lost our 50%.

    But Howard wanted MORE!

  240. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 2, 2022 8:58 pm

    But Howard wanted MORE!

    You have any proof for that? The link you gave said Australia was worried that East Timor may get 80% or 90% if ET got their independence. The exact OPPOSITE of your point.

    TB, you come from the side of politics that misleads people. How about giving Howard some credit for sending in the troops, something Labor never would have done.

    In fact it was Whitlam/ALP who did nothing to stop Indonesia taking over East Timor. Whitam/ALP sat back and did nothing when thousands of East Timorese were killed plus some Australian journalists.

    As usual you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG

  241. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2022 1:04 pm

    Kneel, you really are a Howard acolyte … and obviously one of John Howard’s Private School Bullies …

  242. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2022 2:40 pm

    TB

    You come from a Party that misleads and deceives people. But your comments show another attribute- STUPIDITY. Did you read the Guardian article you posted? It said this

    The documents, still heavily redacted, show cabinet was concerned that Timor-Leste’s independence process may disrupt access to the oil and gas reserves in the Timor Sea, because Australia’s prior agreement with Indonesia for a 50:50 revenue split would be void.

    So, from your article we had

    1. we had a 50:50 agreement with Indonesia for Timor Sea gas

    2. Cabinet was worried that if we sent in the troops and East Timor became independent there may be a new border and East Timor may get 80%, 90% or even 100% of the gas.

    I am interested in the truth. Not some twisting of the truth you seem to be an expert at.

    TB- i no longer believe anything people like you say because i am sick of doing research and finding out your statements are false.

  243. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 9, 2022 9:13 pm

    TB you said this

    “”Aw FFS! How much evidence do you need!

    I have a vested interest as a relative spent 10 months in E Timor from the first day of the “invasion” …“”

    You just make stuff up. Plus you tell lies.

    Firstly it was your heroes, Gough Whitlam and LABOR who gave away East Timor to Indonesia. Whitlam did not believe East Timor was big enough to be a separate country. So he gave it away.

    To sooth your conscience you tell lies about why Howard sent troops in to get East Timor their independence.

    Your own link said that was wrong.

    Cabinet was worried if we sent in the troops and got East Timor their independence we may lose the Timor Sea gas.

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