Those Russian Beaver Fuckers are Gonna Beaver Fuck Us All!
Say what you will about Vladimir Putin, but he’s a cunt.
A complete and unadulterated one, and a lying one to boot. In these not-so-progressive ‘cancel culture’ times when conservative traditionalists (ie “Tories”) and right wing nut jobs whinge, endlessly it seems, about being “silenced” thanks to the aforementioned so-called “cancel culture” decrying their erstwhile enemy the “woke mob,” or simply those who don’t subscribe to their delusional “victimhood mentality,” they yell from the roof tops of any AM talkback radio show that will have them.
Thankfully, Australasia’s pre-eminent delusional and narcissistic self-satisfied cunt Scott Morrison has shuffled off the scene thanks to being unceremoniously shafted at the last election by a majority of Australians fed up with his cosplay antics and freaky religious beliefs.
But to more pressing things. We’re currently being invaded by aliens and no one – and I mean no one – seems to give a rat’s. How many so-called “balloons” in a myriad of shapes are we going to contend with before someone says enough is enough?
Frankly, I’ve had a guts full, as have others of the Toorak Concerned Citizens’ Association.
You lazy fuckers just sit idly by, while diligent upstanding local residents – like myself, and if I may humbly add, Tom of Melbourne (a lifetime paid-up member of the local Toorak Neighbourhood Watch group, incidentally) – have to to take up the slack due to YOUR resounding apathy.
That’s why WE CAN’T have nice things, and you and your nieces and nephews are getting all up in arms – offended and all the rest of it – because an almond latte decafe flat white now costs $12…! Well, cry me a fucking river.
I was standing outside my local barista (‘Starbucks’ for those in Queensland) the other day, when this young 20 something – millennial or whatever generation we’re talking about these days – rocks up and orders this skinny almond milk decafe latte, and pausing for a moment in disbelief, the barista simply replied “NO.”
That’s what I’m talking about. Enough is e-fucking-nuff. Get fucked.
theguttertrash.com 
I really can’t get rid of you lot can I.
You’re right about Putin, but I live by the Yarra in Hawthorn.
Toorak is full of new money
Are you really, reb? You write like splatterbum … here a fuck, there a fuck everywhere a fuck! Fuck! 😝
As for barista, luckily we have TWO working baristas in our family. Mention starshits attempt at coffee making here and the conversation stops, it goes completely silent, the air begins to chill! Before the laughter.
The Yanks cannot make coffee! Drip, drip … personally I prefer my Dolce Gusto Americano to anything dished up in a coffee shop.
Is this the Yarra you’re talking about? 😧
https://yarrariver.org.au/yarra/river-issues/water-quality-and-pollution/
Your should visit Brisbane
https://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/clean-and-green/natural-environment-and-water/creeks-and-waterways 😎
The world is full of religious fools!
https://www.news.com.au/world/africa/pastor-dies-trying-to-fast-for-40-days-to-imitate-jesus/news-story/416e4d7f02394b987354d84650fd41de
Re: Religion
The Minister & I, are locked into 448 Netflix Episodes over five seasons of this show! Based on the Islamic history of the establishment of the Türkiye nation … Turks agin Turks, Turks agin Mongols, Turks agin Christians … spies and traitors everywhere!
The production is top class and the close combat battles are brilliant as is the intrigues and history … we have begun skipping the long, “the Prophet said”, indulgences – after four seasons we feel entitled!
Highly recommended! 12 Century history at its best!
We are about to finish Season 4 … Season 5 has been pulled by Netflix because someone in production declared their gay status! Boofheads.
VPN’s are a wonderful addition to anyone’s internet security HideMe is very good!
Note: It is (obviously) subtitled – and they can be quite funny on occasion!
“The Minister & I, are locked into 448 Netflix Episodes over five seasons of this show!”
What show..?
What show…?
Diriliş: Ertuğrul. Basically Turkish government propaganda:
I watched a couple of episodes on TB’s recommendation. The plot moved along quite well. The thing that annoyed me most was that the lead character looked like he just stepped out of a hair salon. Plus the GoT sex scenes are much better.
Also, I see that the mean girls look after their own with a $3 million pay-out from the public purse for someone willing to advance the ALP agenda.
That’s the problem with the ALP – whenever they are not fiddling kiddies they have their hands in the till.
The good thing is that we can all agree that Putin is a cunt. And not a warm moist harbinger of heaven, wafting arousing aromas which promise paradise – that deep romantic chasm where Alph the sacred river ran.
No, Putin is the opposite. He is a sulphurous chasm of despond threating to engulf the world with his unbridled adventurism. Sauron Putin has made Moscow Mordor.
“… your fucking days being long over, old man.”
Got news for you, arsehole.
Now I realise why I don’t hang around here that much any more.
You need to rein in the personal abuse splatter bottom. Seriously.
TB: “Are you really, reb? You write like splatterbum … here a fuck, there a fuck everywhere a fuck! Fuck!”
reb: “You need to rein in the personal abuse splatter bottom.”
But, but reb … he started it, sir. Although on sober reflection I now realise his comment about me was highly complimentary – he was suggesting that you adopted my literary stylings.
Anyway, I like TB and he knows it. It would be bad form if I just ignored his provocations. He likes a little tickle-up every now and then.
“Got news for you, arsehole.”
I’m glad to hear it and also glad you spared us the details.
Give it rest
OK.
Baloons have rights too reb
Re Putin and – “he’s a cunt”.
Now that’s a mantra the American Empire loves to hear. So let’s all shout it from the rooftops and show our support for a Nation that thrives (and depends) on both internal and external violence.
Historically, when the Hegemon lost the media contest during the course of the American War in Vietnam, they vowed never to repeat that failing. And by and large that endeavor’s been remarkably successful.
So the list of the demonized include(d) Bashar al-Assad, Saddam Hussain, Putin, Xi Jinping etc etc.
On the other hand, there are those whose power base include Nazis admirers but that’s somewhat ignored. Indeed they are lionised in some circles.
There ARE reasons why the American Empire is unrivalled in the historical annals and their ability to construct particular narratives is certainly to the fore.
lol splats, still listening to asshats I see
Now I realise why I don’t hang around here that much any more.
I don’t come here much any more because you all shit me to tears.
Okay, I was enticed by ‘hide my email’. But not any more.
You almost had us fooled there Tony 😉
Yes MN.
The proof is that Putin is a cunt. That’s no longer in doubt
I suppose you’ll dismiss the report of the High Commission for Human Rights, that documented the rape of women and girls aged between 4 and 82 by the Russian military.
I wonder why the mean girl didn’t want to know about the fact that Reynolds had done everything reasonable to assist the alleged victim. I wonder why she threatened Reynolds with having to pay her own costs if she didn’t shut up.
“So the list of the demonized include(d) Bashar al-Assad, Saddam Hussain, Putin, Xi Jinping etc etc.”
Sounds spot on. Good to see the Yanks doing something right for a change.
Reynolds had done everything reasonable to assist the alleged victim
Yes, getting the crime scene dry cleaned is so reasonable [facepalm]
I wonder why she threatened Reynolds with having to pay her own costs if she didn’t shut up.
Is it because reynolds is full of $#it?
(btw, where did she ‘threaten’ this?)
OK. So it was Drongo Dreyfus not the mean girl:
Labor Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus used his powers to muzzle Reynolds, instructing her not to attend the mediation in return for the commonwealth paying her legal fees.
Of course they didn’t want to know what actual assistance was given to the alleged victim so they could maximise the reward she received for denigrating the government.
Note to MN
I see that Silvio Berlusconi is providing support to Putin.
1. Demented old fascists have plenty in common with Putin
2. You’re known by the company you keep
OK. So it was Drongo Dreyfus not the mean girl:
lol, so when it turns out it wasn’t the first lot, make up something else 😆
No, I can’t read the article, I don’t need to, the url tells me it’s made up 😉
Chuckle … U2 (are still in service?) spy plane and Chinese spy balloon … 21st Century spooks or spoofs? …
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/incredible-closeup-photo-of-chinese-spy-balloon/news-story/5c67defc94f3d43c2456c6484ff85f7b
Hahahahaa…
Goodbye Parrot features you’re finished.
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/politics/nsw-government-to-shut-down-parliament-early/news-story/5af544ca6b08627f34b3ff6b41ea8763
Goodbye Parrot features you’re finished.
God’s will … nah! Democracy works sometimes … I hope.
Apparently a YouTube video from the Hindustan Times is MN’s new authoritative source.
Speaking of youtube videos, this isn’t one, but it is from an authoritative source.
Re the Robo Debt fiasco and the failures of the public service to provide “frank and fearless” advice as claimed.
Should not be forgotten that Morrison was emphatic that public servants were there to ‘implement’ government decisions and not there to advise on policy.
Was a ‘courageous’ assertion way back then and led to ridiculous outcomes.
Then there was the redefinition of the generalised role of public servants.
Morrison et al argued that public servants were not there to serve the public directly BUT to serve the public THROUGH the Minister.
That is, the Minister (not the public) had primacy.
Be interesting to see how that issue will be resolved (or ignored).
Re the Robo Debt fiasco and the failures of the public service to provide “frank and fearless” advice as claimed.
Robodebt was started by Shorten/ALP in 2011. That is when computers started sending out debt notices.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/24/un-tells-russia-to-leave-ukraine-how-did-countries-vote
Something for MN to think about.
The most recent vote of the United Nations General Assembly, voted 141 to 7 against Russia.
But MN uses the opinions of a failed Trump nominee and a convicted child sex offender to claim credibility
Robodebt was started by Shorten/ALP in 2011
LINK!
It’s interesting that Laveov’s explanation gets the same reaction as MN’s…
TomR
“”Media Release:
New data matching to recover millions in welfare dollars
29 June 2011
A new data matching initiative between Centrelink and the Australian Taxation Office is expected to claw back millions of dollars from welfare recipients who have debts with the Australian Government.
Minister for Human Services Tanya Plibersek and Assistant Treasurer Bill Shorten today said the new initiative will enhance Centrelink’s debt recovery ability and is expected to recover more than $71 million over four years.
Beginning on July 1 this year, Centrelink and the ATO will automatically match data on a daily basis as a way of cross-checking former welfare recipients who have a debt with the Commonwealth.
Those who are identified as having debts and who haven’t made repayment arrangements with Centrelink may have their tax refunds garnisheed when they lodge their income tax return.
“The Government prefers to work with people and provide them with flexible debt repayment options, rather than having to garnishee their tax refunds,” said Ms Plibersek.
“But if people fail to come to an arrangement to settle their debts, the Government has a responsibility to taxpayers to recover that money.”
Ms Plibersek said Centrelink customers sometimes incurred a debt with the Commonwealth because they either inadvertently or intentionally claimed a benefit they were not entitled to.
Mr Shorten said the tax garnishee process had been carried out manually once a year for the past 15 years and involved a significant amount time on the part of the departmental officers.
“The automation of this process will free up resources and result in more people being referred to the tax garnishee process, retrieving more outstanding debt on behalf of taxpayers,” he said.
He said more than $27.5 million was recovered from over 43,000 former Centrelink customers’ tax refunds in the 2009/10 financial year through the tax garnishee process.
“The new data matching link is expected to increase the number of former customers identified for this process by an additional 65,000, above current detection levels, over the four years.”
Spot the difference nil
“The Government prefers to work with people and provide them with flexible debt repayment options, rather than having to garnishee their tax refunds,” said Ms Plibersek.
Data matching had been going on for decades. The Government in 2011 automated the data matching process, so that PEOPLE were better able to focus on possible cases of over payment. morrison cut out the PEOPLE, and then, turned the onus on the social security recipients. Try watching just a little of the #robodebtrc it ‘may’ illuminate. 😉
TR, don’t bother, the fog is well established and too deeply embedded. probably believes the election was rigged!
TomR
Computers started sending out debt notices in 2011. That is when Robodebt started.
What the Coalition did in 2016 was bring in a new computer method to determine income called income averaging. It was a disaster and illegal for some reason.
(Compare:…”Beginning on July 1 this year [ie 2011], Centrelink and the ATO will automatically match data on a daily basis as a way of cross-checking former welfare recipients who have a debt with the Commonwealth.”
….and….
Contrast:…”The robodebt scheme ran from 2015 to 2019 and used income averaging of tax office data to calculate and raise debts”.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/08/department-withheld-key-documents-from-watchdog-that-flagged-potential-illegality-of-robodebt )
Again! Morrison called all his senior public servants to a special meeting where he made very clear that the role of the public service was to IMPLEMENT and NOT to advise.
At the time, the MSM was somewhat silent. Yet most of those learned folk would agree that: “The role of the press to be a “watchdog” and monitor a government’s actions has been one of the fundamental components of a democratic society.”
Perhaps the apology was in the mail?
Or maybe the issue is (and was) beyond the voters’ understanding?
I highly doubt this income averaging idea was a Coalition idea. It would have been thought up by some guru in the Public Service
Anyway Robodebt started in 2011. That is when computers started sending out debt notices
Re – “doubt this income averaging idea was a Coalition idea”.
Why? Is the concept of “central tendency” (read mean, median or mode) beyond the coalition? Or might there be a moral restraint?
Again – WHY? Over to you.
Did you know – “More than 10,000 jobs will be created from Australia’s acquisition of nuclear-powered submarines under the defence pact, according to the country’s navy.
Speaking ahead of his visit, the admiral who headed the AUKUS taskforce said thousands of jobs would be created from Australia’s biggest defence project.”
https://www.9news.com.au/world/aukus-update-nuclear-powered-submarines-deal-to-create-ten-thousands-jobs/f2b65469-d7ca-468b-938b-e67c131a3aaa
And we need those subs to protect the trade routes from Chinese aggression.
Even though China has trade pacts with 149 Nations. None of whom live in fear of a Chinese takeover.
Too ridiculous for words. Australia has given away its independence.
Will America defend its Empire till the death of the last Australian?
It was a disaster and illegal for some reason.
Finally! Now look up the “reason” It was illegal!
Will America defend its Empire till the death of the last Australian?
We never learn! It’s bad enough being King Charles III vassals … 😌
“More than 10,000 jobs will be created from Australia’s acquisition of nuclear-powered submarines … ” where have I heard that nonsense before? Over and over … what happened to a nuclear free Pacific?
Why? Is the concept of “central tendency” (read mean, median or mode) beyond the coalition? Or might there be a moral restraint?
Not sure what your point is. My point is i doubt using computers to average someones income would not have been an idea from a govt Minister. It would have been an idea of some guru from the Public Service. It was just a continuation of labors Robodebt scheme started in 2011 to a fully automated scheme
That is when computers started sending out debt notices
Where in that statement does it say a ‘computer sent out debt notices’, or wtte? All it says is it automated their process. It means INTERNALLY
As for morrison MN, he is the one who started it, allowed it through as treasurer, and then let it rip beyond all imagining, because of his destruction of our PS
“The public service is meant to be an enabler of government policy and not an obstacle.”
Yea, nah, it is supposed to implement, not enable ffs. The Government is not supposed to be a dictatorship. Yet morrison made it one. In almost all respects
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2023/03/07/paul-bongiorno-robodebt-royal-commission/
Where in that statement does it say a ‘computer sent out debt notices’
OK 2011 was when computers created the debt notice. That is when Robodebt started.
What the Coalition did in 2016 was bring in a new computer method to determine income called income averaging. It was a disaster and illegal for some reason. Also i doubt it was the idea of a govt Minister. I suspect it was just a continuation of Labors Robodebt scheme started in 2011 to a fully automated system
What the Coalition did in 2016 was bring in a new computer method to determine income called income averaging.
No, income averaging had been used for years. What they did what use that solely to create a debt, when all it was was a method to determine who MIGHT have a debt.
You really are slow nil
TomR
I don’t understand what you are saying.
My understanding is that computer income averaging was used to determine income from 2016. It had not been used for years. Before that fortnightly paper statements were used to determine income.
No, income averaging had been used for years. What they did what use that solely to create a debt, when all it was was a method to determine who MIGHT have a debt.
If someone could translate this into English for me i would be grateful.
Neil, averaging is useful to identify cases where there is a possibility that money should be repaid to the government. But, equally there might not be.
So averaging can be used as a means of determining who should get asked further questions to se if in fact a debt was owed.
But the stupid mongrel Liberals decided to claim that a debt was owed before they worked out that it was in fact owed.
So, if you earned $26k per year, but earned it all in vacation time and earned nothing in semester time you would be entitled to claim benefits for that time you were engaged in full time study but did not, in the relevant fortnightly period, earn any money.
In this case it might be reasonable to use the average fortnightly income ($1k) as a reason to check whether money was earned in the weeks where benefits were claimed. That is what reasonable people would do.
But your vile Liberal mates thought that they could get more money if they didn’t bother to check.
They just sent out letters of demand stating that you had a few weeks to pay thousands of dollars (which you did not owe) to the government. If you want to argue the toss, that is a separate matter and you could do that after you paid the cunts the money you didn’t owe them in the first place.
But your vile Liberal mates thought that they could get more money if they didn’t bother to check.
And they KNEW what they were doing was wrong. It was simply a means to get money from the disadvantaged to try and fill their black hole. They need to be put in jail, the ministers involved, and the public servants too timid, or too greedy, to do the right thing
Ten days later, the then Human Services minister, Marise Payne, in a meeting with Campbell, made an entry in her notebook that indicated they had discussed this welfare crackdown. Her notes record a decisive observation: “What can we do w/o having to legislate?”
This, perhaps, is the original sin of the debt recovery program known as robo-debt. The desire to go after welfare recipients for “easy” budget savings was to be done without new laws and this absence of new laws would mean the fundamental welfare assessment changes in what would become robo-debt could never be legal.
https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/law-crime/2023/03/11/robo-debt-final-week-it-served-them-right-did-it#mtr
btw, to ALL our gormless, corrupted, sphincter licking media
(I know, I’ve been blaming them for years yaaawn)
But your vile Liberal mates thought that they could get more money if they didn’t bother to check.
Perhaps. But i doubt this idea was thought up by a govt Minister. Do you really think Morrison had this new beaut idea to use computer averaging to determine income rather than using fortnightly paper statements? I have no evidence but i suspect it was thought up by some guru in the Public Service and the govt went along with it.
But computers started printing out debt notices in 2011. I suspect that was the beginning of a fully automated scheme and what happened in 2016 may have happened whoever was in govt.
suspect it was thought up by some guru in the Public Service
Yes. morrison is too stupid to think of things like that. But, he asked a bunch of sycophantic fools how he can get money out of people, and this idea was floated. When they were told they would need to to change legislation, quite obviously, the word went out to hide that piece of information, and push on regardless of the cost, legally, or morally. Which is what the royal commission has shown all the way through.
Howard’s Liberal successors in the Lodge after 2013 began by cutting $8 billion in savings from the APS and in their first two terms they slashed 19,000 jobs.
….
But one now-retired senior mandarin who served under Liberal and Labor prime ministers says against this background, Morrison’s laying down of the law to the APS after his surprise 2019 election win was a cultural wrecking ball.
……..
Morrison said: “It’s about telling governments how things can be done, not just the risks of doing them, or saying why they shouldn’t. The public service is meant to be an enabler of government policy and not an obstacle.”
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2023/03/07/paul-bongiorno-robodebt-royal-commission/
Yes. morrison is too stupid to think of things like that.
I sort of agree but stupid is not the right word. i would think only somebody with expertise in computers would come up with using computers to determine income.
I suspect with no evidence that this idea was from some Public Service guru and the govt went along with it.
It was just a continuation of labors Robodebt scheme started in 2011 to a fully automated system. This world is being run by computers more and more. Who knows what is next? AI is around the corner
Perhaps. But i doubt this idea was thought up by a govt Minister.
Perhaps! i (sic) doubt that …
Stop defending Liberal Party Arseholes … either you know they are guilty or you just part of the “team” to rip off the poor, sick, weak and disadvantaged and make their situation worse … people suffered and are suffering because the Liberal (liberal my arse) Party butchered a scheme that was working … typical modus operandi!
They should all go to jail … or at least not pick up millions of dollars in retirement perks!
I suspect with no evidence that this idea was from some Public Service guru and the govt went along with it.
Since when did the PS run the government!
AI is around the corner
And its got your WordPress details! 😈
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/11/robodebt-five-years-of-lies-mistakes-and-failures-that-caused-a-18bn-scandal
Read this —- and get angry! This is Australia – We are One …
Also linked to the Liberal Party …
Australian Catholic order accused of waiting for paedophile to die and using death to shield it from abuse claims
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/11/australian-catholic-order-accused-of-waiting-for-paedophile-to-die-and-using-death-to-shield-it-from-abuse-claims
Since when did the PS run the government!
Since 2007.
BTW Robodebt was started by Shorten/ALP in 2011
And so it happened. Australia is going full vassal.
““Australia has an urgent security problem. These confronting ideas can help solve it,” and it is the most incendiary of the bunch. The “experts” suggest rolling out mandatory national service to prepare Australians for war with China, as well as “basing US long-range missiles armed with nuclear weapons on Australian territory.”
https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/they-work-so-hard-to-manufacture?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=82124&post_id=107401978&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
And when did Australia citizens get to vote on this nonsense?
When Albo and Dutton are rowing in the same boat – be afraid – be very afraid!
BTW Robodebt was started by Shorten/ALP in 2011.
What the ALP did was not robodebt because the “debt” was not automatically generated by a machine algorithim.
Robodebt refers to the illegal system of generating a debt on the basis of an algorithm without actually knowing whether there was in fact a debt. That system is purely a creation of your Libmongrel mates.
The difference to individuals was that under the ALP system you got a letter asking for payslips and other records to enable a human to determine whether you need to repay any money.
Under the Lib’s system you got a letter of demand requiring the payment of thousands of dollars you did not owe, to be paid in 21 days as a debt due to the Commonwealth. This did a lot of psychological damage to people, some of which I saw first-hand.
I saw one young woman get a letter of demand during her exam period. She was trying to be independent of her parents and show her family she could succeed on her own terms. The letter caused extreme emotional distress as she had been at pains to ensure her claims were correct. Luckily, she had a few family friends who could help.
This arbitrary, illegal and immoral infliction of pain and distress on young people is the difference between what the ALP did and what the Liberals did. And you enjoy that don’t you.
Me just mentioning the pain of others has no doubt triggered in you a perfervid pummelling of your penis – such are the fantasies that drive the fascist mind.
Robodebt refers to the illegal system of generating a debt on the basis of an algorithm without actually knowing whether there was in fact a debt. That system is purely a creation of your Libmongrel mates.
OK thanks. Trouble is i have been told so many false things over the years by ALP/Greens supporters i no longer believe anything they say.
Even on this issue people were telling me that 2,030 people took their lives because of the stress they were under. No wonder people hated the program.
But it turns out over a two year period there were 900,000 debt notices sent and there were 2,030 deaths. A natural death rate for a population that size.
But i suspect 2011 was the beginning of a fully automated system. I also suspect that it was the idea of some guru in the Public Service
But i suspect 2011 was the beginning of a fully automated system. I also suspect that it was the idea of some guru in the Public Service
Jesus fucking Christ!
splats! Well written explanation … (join the club 😎)
MN … whose — The “experts” suggest rolling out mandatory national service … ?
MN … just found it … fkn Abbott! Will he be invited to the Coronation? Just another misguided Pommie immigrant … should be on Manus Island!
In a tumultuous world, where autocratic regimes have expansionist objectives, I think democratic nations should have alliances to ensure invasion is a most unappealing option
Re: – ” regimes have expansionist objectives”.
Do try to keep. No organisation has expanded more than NATO. No Nation has expanded more than the American Empire in the military sense – now with something like 800 plus military bases across 80 Nations.
Wars in Styria, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iraq, Iran, let alone any number of South American coups. etc etc.
The gang of five:
“According to The Age and SMH the five experts they have engaged are “respected” which is, of course, generally in the eye of the beholder. There is no empirical standard.
These experts are, in turn,Macquarie University criminologist (since when did the study of criminal behaviour make you a defence policy expert?) and ‘strategic studies’ scholar, Lavina Lee, former chief scientist of Australia Alan Finkel, National Institute of Strategic Resilience chair Lesley Seebeck who is also labelled an independent consultant by ASPI and a retired Army major general Mick Ryan who uses the twitter handle ‘Warinthefuture’.
And they are all foreign funded
“ASPI receives funding from well known defence companies Lockheed Martin and Thales. The Department of Defence contributes one third of its funding. Similarly the CSIS receives defence corporates funds and money from governments such as the US, Taiwan and Japan.
https://johnmenadue.com/who-are-the-gang-of-five-pushing-australia-to-war/
ToM – you should be embarrassed. The ignorance is appalling.
MN, I have to say, your posts are stupid. It’s time to state that as a fact.
Can you advise which country NATO has territorial claims on?
Expansion has been willing and justified by the threat of the expansionist autocratic regimes.
None of the former Warsaw Pact countries now support Putin. They chose to look west for a more prosperous and participative society.
They didn’t see their future with the largely impoverished Russia.
Grow up
During the past year you have-
* Favourably used the convicted child sex offender, Scott Ritter ( who is on the payroll of Russian state media) as a valuable resource.
* Routinely quoted failed Trump nominee, Douglas MacGregor ( one of about 8000 current and former colonels, a middle manager and on the payroll of Russian state media)
* Used dull articles by junior, former Australian military personnel as experts
* Promoted weird, marginal conspiracy theories
* Adopted the “don’t resist a nuclear power” nonsense
* Neglected to deal with (when challenged) the High Commission for Human Rights report on the rape of Ukrainian women (aged between 4 and 82) by the Russian military
* Excused Putin’s brutality
* Used false equivalence and “look over there” tactics.
You’re a wordy f**kwit
“Even on this issue people were telling me that 2,030 people took their lives because of the stress they were under. No wonder people hated the program.
But it turns out over a two year period there were 900,000 debt notices sent and there were 2,030 deaths. A natural death rate for a population that size.”
Typical lies from you, Neil.
First of all, the death rate among young Australians is about 41 per 100,000 which equals 369 per 900,000. In case you didn’t notice, that number is less than 2,030. By a long way.
But then, why are you comparing the death rate of the general population with the suicide rate of young people?
The suicide rate for young Australians in 2021 was about 13 per 100,000. For a population of 900,000 that would be 117 deaths. This is also less than the number you quoted. By orders of magnitude.
“Trouble is i have been told so many false things over the years by ALP/Greens supporters i no longer believe anything they say.”
1. You are in no position to complain about false things others say given the number of lies you tell here.
2. The answer to your problem is to check what you are told and work it out for yourself. But based on the above you are either too dishonest or too stupid to do that.
em>The suicide rate for young Australians in 2021 was about 13 per 100,000. For a population of 900,000 that would be 117 deaths
I was told there were 2,030 suicides.
What was published was that out of a population of 900,000 there were 2,030 deaths over two years. That is a natural death rate for a population of 900,000. On the internet it became an urban myth that there were 2,000 suicides. The aussie death rate is 500 per 100,000 people. i am not sure why you brought up the 15-24 year old death rate
Some of those 2,030 deaths were aged pensioners who died of old age. Some died of cancer, stroke, car accidents etc
There were not 2,030 suicides. It became an urban myth that those 2,030 died because they received a debt notice.
So you are saying those 900,000 people on Centrelink money were aged 15-24? Many would have been aged pensioners
But then, why are you comparing the death rate of the general population with the suicide rate of young people?
Are you saying nobody over the age of 24 is on Centrelink benefits?
Neil, I’m sorry but I can’t help you any more. If you are not willing to admit that the robodebt scheme under the Libmongrels was illegal, vicious, callous and caused harm to people then there is not much I can do for you.
As to the stats, the youth suicide rate (13 per 100,000) is actually slightly higher than the overall rate (12 per 100,000). If you think that this distinction somehow supports your case then you are demented.
Splatterbum- The media published an article with this title
Over 2000 people died after receiving Centrelink robodebt
notice, figures reveal
The implications are obvious. Down the bottom of the article it gave the full story.
The article examines a two-year period where 900,000 debt notices were sent and there were 2,030 deaths. A normal death rate for a population that size. Many of those 900,000 were old age pensioners on a pension and most probably died of old age.
The media tried to make out those 2,030 people died because they received a debt notice.
Why did you bring up 15-24 year olds? Many of those 900,000 were old age pensioners.
For Tom R…
Neil, when you are willing to admit that the robodebt scheme under the Libmongrels was illegal, vicious, callous and caused harm to people then I will argue the toss on statistics with you.
Neil, when you are willing to admit that the robodebt scheme under the Libmongrels was illegal, vicious, callous and caused harm to people then I will argue the toss on statistics with you
OK it caused harm to people.
But there are people on the internet saying 2,000 people killed themselves because of Coalition policy.
Nope. 2,030 people died of old age, cancer, heart disease, car accidents etc plus some people took their lives. It was a natural death rate for a population of 900,000 people.
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Agreed TB!
What sort of people would say that 2,030 people killed themselves because of govt policy when those 2,030 people died of natural causes? ie heart disease, old age, cancer plus some who took their life.
It shows that ALP/Greens supporters do not care about truth.
The ABC published an article with this title. I wonder if the title would be the same if the ALP was in power and did the same thing?
Over 2000 people died after receiving Centrelink robodebt
notice, figures reveal
( “It shows that….supporters do not care about truth.”
https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/2030-people-have-died-after-receiving-centrelink-robodebt-notice/10821272 )
Ivi
That article started the urban myth that 2,030 people who received debt notices killed themselves.
Down the bottom it gave the full details. Over two years 900,000 people received notices and there were 2,030 deaths.
“The department sent more than 900,000 debt letters to individuals during the period 1 July 2016 to 31 October 2018. A total of 2030 of those individuals died during the same period, which represents 0.21 per cent.”
This was more than ten times lower than the overall death rate for all of the department’s customers during the same period, which was 3.64 per cent.”
It’s important to note here that the figures provided by the spokesperson include deaths of people who receive a pension payment, which by definition puts them in the older age bracket.
The aussie death rate is 500 per 100,000 people. So you would expect 4,500 deaths in a population of 900,000.
I wouldn’t “expect” any deaths from any cohort … your problem is the same as the LNP Coalition … statistically confused in life and politics … which then translates to attacking the the weak, the old, the sick and the poor … a model that has failed through hundreds of thousands of years … eventually WE the real people rise up!
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=the+French+guillotine&ei=ozYQZNaCMZ-32roPoaKO8AE&ved=0ahUKEwiW4POthtv9AhWfm1YBHSGRAx4Q4dUDCA4&oq=the+French+guillotine&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQDDIGCAAQBxAeMgYIABAHEB4yBwgAEA0QgAQyBAgAEB4yCAgAEAUQBxAeMggIABAFEAcQHjIICAAQBRAHEB4yCAgAEAUQBxAeMgYIABAFEB4yCAgAEAUQBxAeOgoIABBHENYEELADOgQIABBDOgUIABCABDoLCC4QgAQQxwEQrwE6BQguEIAEOgsILhCvARDHARCABEoECEEYAFDGFFjZMmCXRmgCcAF4AIABxQWIAeUSkgEJMC43LjIuNi0xmAEAoAEByAEIwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
Actually, Kneel, this is wrong!
The Halifax Guillotine was the first of its kind!
As any Yorkshire born person will “happily” tell you!
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=the+Halifax+guillotine&ei=szYQZLqvO4el2roP2Nm5UA&ved=0ahUKEwj61M61htv9AhWHklYBHdhsDgoQ4dUDCA4&oq=the+Halifax+guillotine&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQDDIECAAQHjIFCAAQhgMyBQgAEIYDMgUIABCGAzoKCAAQRxDWBBCwAzoHCAAQHhCiBDoFCAAQogQ6BggAEB4QDToGCAAQBxAeSgQIQRgAUJ8PWO5UYINfaAJwAXgAgAH6AYgBwQ-SAQUwLjcuM5gBAKABAcgBCMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
Ain’t research wonderful … thank goodness for Google and Wikepedia and not Kneel!
Ivi
What was your motive in posting that ABC article? To support my point or to disagree with my point? That was the one i was talking about. This was the title
Over 2000 people died after receiving Centrelink robodebt
notice, figures reveal
The ABC was trying to make out that 2,000 people died due to Coalition policy. Quite a shocking allegation. The facts are 900,000 notices were sent and 2,030 died. A normal death rate.
Many of those who died would have been old age pensioners who died of old age. The ABC was trying to make out they died due to Coalition policy
OK it caused harm to people.
OK then 😦
“”OK then””
Illegal as well. How the hell did the Public Service allow the govt to bring in something that was illegal? And why was it illegal? I can see why income averaging was a bad idea but why was it illegal?
How the hell did the Public Service allow the govt to bring in something that was illegal?
Hard to pinpoint really
Morrison said: “It’s about telling governments how things can be done, not just the risks of doing them, or saying why they shouldn’t. The public service is meant to be an enabler of government policy and not an obstacle.”
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2023/03/07/paul-bongiorno-robodebt-royal-commission/
TomR
I don’t believe anything someone from your side of politics says. It is designed to mislead and deceive.
On this particular topic i was told 2,030 people committed suicide because they received a debt notice.
Nope. 2,030 people died of old age, cancer, heart disease, car accidents etc plus some people took their life. It was just a normal death rate for a population of 900,000 people.
Keating has lost the plot. It’s one thing to express a view about foreign policy** it’s another to personally attack Penny Wong.
He appears unbalanced.
**Is there a financial interest Keating should disclose?
(Ah, yes, poor Penny; an unwise minister, once universally-lauded for being almost-perpetually on tour on ‘consular’ business among Our Pacific Family; whilst a most unwise (prime(d) minister proceeded with the real work of (un)sett(l)ing Australia(n Labor)’s foreign policy, and, indeed, (in)directly, all Australian policy(ies), (dis)allowing for opportunity(ies) cost(s), for a (past-as-)future-remainder of a post-(British-)colonialist), post-American, post-Asia-Pacific, pro-(North-)Atlanto(-Australo(-Indo(-Asia(-Pacific) Century (not to be confused, per Penny, with neo-colonialism, mind; more a beneficent reminder to the kiddies that ‘all your (economic) base are (still) belong to US’, because ‘interests’ and a (do-as-we-say(-not-as-we-do)) (over)’rules’-based ‘order’; perhaps).
Re Dutton and this particular comment :-
“should be taking the advice of the military and intelligence chiefs”
Right there in that statement is a classic example of what is wrong with our system of government. (One of many by the way.)
Politicians are not there to TAKE advice but simply to LISTEN to advice offered. In the final analysis, it’s the “Minister” who must decide. It’s the Minister who must make the decision. And if a Minister won’t (or can’t) do that then that Minister should step aside or be removed.
That Keating is in furious disagreement with ‘sell-outs’ like Albo, Dutton, Wong et al can only be applauded. That Australia is supporting the American Empire which has been at war almost constantly since it’s arrival (something like 95%) and claiming that China is the enemy is laughable. China hasn’t fired a serious shot in anger since the end of WWII while the USA has been at peace for only two years in the same period.
And yet some boast that Australia is a ‘democracy’. Laughable.
“Australians have been denied knowledge and debate on existential matters, by Labor in cahoots with the LNP. The questions put by the press gallery afterwards revealed a uniformly barren mentality. The matter of nuclear submarines is really a distraction from the bipartisan political capitulation to America’s interests.”
Yes – all bow to our over-lords.
They gave us Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq etc but still we follow wagging our tails.
https://johnmenadue.com/keating-exposes-ministerial-incompetence-in-albanese-government/
Australia will fight the Chinese to our last ‘digger’ just as Ukraine will sacrifice its youth and all in the name of maintaining a ‘hegemony’.
Where is the ‘active and informed citizenship’?
https://johnmenadue.com/keating-exposes-ministerial-incompetence-in-albanese-government/
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-17/un-backed-inquiry-accuses-russia-of-war-crimes-in-ukraine/102108806?utm_medium=social&utm_content=sf265123165&utm_campaign=abc_news&utm_source=m.facebook.com&sf265123165=1
There is probably a convicted child sex offender that will argue that this is falsified
ToM? Your comments along with that twit Kneel are the reason I rarely comment here … and a lot of others … well done for being a right wing wanker!
What a ridiculous comment TB, that post was about the United Nations report on Russian war crimes.
If you think that’s “right wing” you’re FITH
No doubt TB & MN will think the ICC are “right wing wankers”
Situation in Ukraine: ICC judges issue arrest warrants against Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin and Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova
https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and
For those who can’t keep up. (Or choose who not to. And elect to remain woefully ignorant of how the geo-political world really works.)
“The court has more than 120 member nations. But countries that are not members include the United States, China, India, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Qatar and Israel.
The U.S. signed the treaty during the Clinton administration, but Congress did not ratify it.
President George W. Bush’s administration later opposed the court, saying it could bring politically motivated investigations and prosecutions of Americans, such as military officials. Russia signed the treaty in 2000, but like the United States, did not ratify it.”
But of course this statement above is NOT a “politically motivated investigation”.
Democracy MAY work but certainly not with ill informed. And we don’t know because we haven’t tried it yet.
(Look above.)
The hilarious thing is that Putin had planned to attend the BRICS summit in South Africa, in August.
As a signatory, South African authorities would be required to arrest him.
Vlad will have to do it by zoom.
Vlad will have to do it by zoom.
Owned and controlled by his mates … the CCP … how droll!
Oh, the rightwing irony!
“The idea of indicting a former president of the United States is deeply troubling to me, as it is to tens of millions of Americans,” said former vice-president Mike Pence, who is widely expected to launch a campaign for the Republican nomination in the coming weeks.
USofA Presidents (ex or otherwise) are not Gods … they are usually disgustingly rich and connected buffoons!
We are getting closer to being the 51st State … by the second!
Now the left has taken over the institutions of society in the US, and now that Soros has installed his crime-promoting DA’s, the new regime is mimicking its antecedents:
Meanwhile, Antifa, the paramilitary wing of the Democrat party, in silencing enemies of the regime, is reminding us of theirs:
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in silencing enemies of the regime
How were they doing this again? mass manipulation of media, social media?
Its Antifa’s MO. Anyone want to hold a peaceful protest espousing view the elites don’t like is liable to have Antifa SS goons show up to disrupt the speech they don’t like:
Not a peaceful protest at all’: Elon Musk condemns Antifa goons who smashed windows and brawled at UC Davis, after conservative star Charlie Kirk was invited to speak on campus
RE – ” getting closer to being the 51st State … ”
Beg to disagree. In the USA, States’ Rights have some significance. On the other hand, Australia is a mere Vassal. Just a payer of tribute.
Now forced to pay an ongoing level to The American Empire – supposedly to defend us against our strongest trading partner which is China.
https://johnmenadue.com/aukus-submarines-on-the-never-never-or-castles-in-the-sky/
Re POTUS and “usually disgustingly rich”.
If not on the way into Office, then certainly on the way out. (Spoils of Office?)
And that ‘truism’ isn’t confined to the Executive Branch as a cursory glance to Congress will attest.
Surely ‘their way of life’ isn’t what we aspire to? What with the violence – both internally and externally. Surely we can do better than that?
Yesterday I listened to Richard Marles discuss the need for us (as an island country/continent) to have a capacity to protect our trade routes.
It seemed rational, but those that think diplomacy is a euphemism for brown nosing probably don’t get that.
So, angry uni students are the paramilitary wing of the Democrats?
You’ve gone down nils rabbit hole splats. They’re just angry kids sick of abuse from scumbags
to have a capacity to protect our trade routes.
Isn’t our biggest trading partner China. If they wanted to ‘block’ our trade routes, wouldn’t they just … not trade with us?
Did you notice that about 70% of Australia’s trade isn’t with China? And we’re seeking to be even less reliant on them.
We seem to be trying to increase trade with countries that have patchy relations with China, such as India.
But maybe let Richard Marles know that you think he’s wiring for thinking we should have a capacity to protect our trade routes
They’re just
angry kids sick of abuse fromscumbags in black block who can’t bear the thought that someone might disagree with them. Their SS instincts drive them to violence to shut people up. Diversity in everything but ideas!But they are not very diverse – mainly white morons from privileged backgrounds:
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TomR – did you know that the PRC has negotiated trade deals with 149 Nations? Did you know, that China has 6 ‘foreign ports’ (most of which are used to combat piracy off the African Coast) while the USA has something in the order of 180.
Did you know the the American Empire spends more on weapons of war than the next highest 9 (including Russia, China etc)? And that doesn’t include what it spends on its veterans.
Shouldn’t be surprised, because since 1990, when the USA became the only Uni-Polar Nation (now under economic threat from China), the American Empire is now even more determined to maintain that sole status.
The USA can certainly pursue that goal. There is no umpire who can rule against them. Might is right. All all major geo-political players understand that. So America can, and will, do what it wants.
But that doesn’t mean Australia has to join USA chorus line. Increasingly, in the last 70 years, our foreign policy has been a disaster.
Who wants to sacrifice their offspring to maintain America’s “unipolarity”. Not for me! None of my offspring!
I prefer a multipolar world. Besides, it’s inevitable. Let the Americans fight to the death of the last American and leave us alone.
(Erratum) – Try 850+ foreign military bases. Mustn’t underestimate their (USA) power. The most powerful the Empire the world has ever seen.
MN, you are so right. Like Bleating Keating I welcome our new communist overlords! We are part of Asia now and we should pay homage to that great Asian power, the source of so much of our wealth. Vassalage is a small price to pay.
We should immediately apologise to Emperor Xi for ignoring his 14 points of righteous anger and immediately cave on all of them.
Then, after formal recognition of CCP police stations on our soil, we can be a peaceful and free nation knowing that those not acting in China’s best interests (and therefore Australia’s) will be appropriately punished for their treason in the manner of the Uighurs. China is good at re-education. Dan Andrews has learned much in this regard since signing on to Belt and Road. The rest of Australia needs to get with the program.
Of course our political leaders will need to submit any public statements which touch on China’s interests for Chinese approval, Richard Marles style.
The Chinese paid too much for the Biden crime family and realise that with the help of Bleating Keating they may not have to pay for Australia’s political class at all.
All hail our new leader:
SB – why can’t we be non-aligned? Be independent? Be sovereign? Able to play the field? Take the best deal on offer? Encourage to multipolar world?
Seems like Saudi Arabia, India, Vietnam (to name just a few), do just that. But not Australia. Although, we are now beginning to abandon the petro-dollar and do deals with China using their currency. Be interesting to see whtat currency(s) emerge because there’s a hole in the currency dyke. (Here’s a serious article from a serious magazine.)
https://thecradle.co/article-view/22167/the-valdai-meeting-where-west-asia-meets-multipolarity
Lots of good deals on the go at the moment. Why, even China, India and others are making a fortune buying (sanctioned lol) Russian Oil and then reselling to the highest bidder. And the queue is long. Selling even to those Europeans who were silly enough to impose sanctions; who haven’t found otherwise how to avoid them; or are doing mid-ocean trades. (Perhaps you would prefer a list to an essay.)
The American Empire is now charging the Europeans at least 4 times the the price of Gas (prior sanctions). The irony is the USA destroyed the very pipeline that delivered it. And with virtually no protest. Apparently one explanation is that it was done by some men who rocked up and hired a boat. Had some scuba gear as well. LOL.
Now that’s what the most powerful Empire on Earth can do. Shit in a hat and then make their victims eat it. Without protest. And ask for more. Now that’s power. Further, sell submarines unsuited to protecting domestic trade routes but eminently appropriate from harrassing American opponents. Sell the Vassals the used ones are vastly inflated prices and them laugh and laugh as they justify their own stupidity. (Monty Python would reject such a script be being implausible.)
As for the Inflation Reducation Act. And the reaction of Biden to Macron’s grovelling. French farce writ large.
Of course all this humiliation is justified by a reading of Leo Strauss who justifies a uni-polar world. No friends. No contenders. Even allies. Only INTERESTS. It’s as though Australian can’t read. Or the ones who can aren’t being listened to.
As for these ‘police stations’ on our soil. Yest there are far, too many of those – particularly those who disregard our laws, attitudes, values (particularly the ‘democratic’ ones).
So Christian Churches will have to go – particularly the Catholics who even ‘police’ matters such as ‘abortion’ in confessionals on every day of the week. To find your nearest one, just look around. Or are they just ‘religious’ police? More interested in ‘training’ the mind of the young? But one doesn’t have to end with Catholics. Again look around. Why we even give them ‘tax breaks’ so they can better do their God’s’s work.
Always easy to look at ‘the’ generalised other and critize but somewhat harder to rise above the thickness of one’s own cultural soup and look at on’s own common sense. Try it some time. They even have a name for it – ETHNOCENTRICISM.
Not sure we need a foreign leader of any type. Perhaps if we grew up. Vietnam did. And now it is not a member of any military alliance not is it a military base for any ‘other’. Perhaps it’s why they beat us when we last came caaling
“why can’t we be non-aligned? Be independent? Be sovereign? Able to play the field? Take the best deal on offer? Encourage to multipolar world?”
We can. All we need to do is to develop nukes, a delivery system that covers the globe and second strike capability. Until we do that we are better off with an alliance with a country capable of providing protection and with a track record of having done so in the past.
Otherwise we can be like Vietnam, as you suggest. China has gone to war against Vietnam and has ignored its interests in its expansion in the South China Sea.
All we need to do is to develop nukes
Why?
China has gone to war against Vietnam
So did ‘merica
SB – you seem to proceed on the assumption that China is bent on territorial expansion (of the physical kind). Where is the evidence – apart from a few rocks in the China Sea which they reclaimed. The evidence suggests that they are into ‘trade’ in a big way. (Much to America’s chagrin and failed attempts to date of countering same – as well as using dodgy statistics.)
Take Sri Lanka as an example. In the West there is much, much talk about China and its “debt trap”. But not confined only to the western media. It’s spread elsewhere. The locals including many of the guides also speak in those terms as I can personally attest.
Yet the hard cold evidence is absent. Indeed, it’s otherwise. Sri Lanka’s biggest debtor is in fact India. But there’s rarely mention of that unless, you have go looking for it.
The American Empire not only makes valiant efforts to win physical wars but also the “propaganda” wars and there it’s very, very successful.
Watching Ferguson’s nonsense on 7.30 Report (interviewing the Russian Ambassador) last night was downright embarrassing. Talk about a lack of professionalism. Would be out of place on Sky.
My point is that Australia is better off as part of a more powerful alliance. To be non-aligned is to be weak and at the whim of stronger countries. A proposition Tom R supported with his example of the US going to war with Vietnam.
The only real alternative is to be in a position to defend ourselves without alliance partners.
China’s posture towards Australia is that of the schoolyard bully having a hissy fit and demanding fealty. Keating’s posture is to bend over and beg for it good and hard. He’d be sweating and tingling and febrile as he got off on being subjected to all that strength and power and dominance. Then he’d stick his head back into his rectum to felch himself!
Time to cut our losses and terminate the NBN:
Watching Ferguson’s nonsense on 7.30 Report (interviewing the Russian Ambassador) last night was downright embarrassing
Are you serious??
Ferguson asked the questions that should have been asked.
But speaking of embarassment, let’s just recall who –
* Called the removal of Viktor Yanukovych by a (328 to ZERO) vote of the Ukraine parliament, a “coup”
* Routinely quotes a middle manager military guy, who is a failed Trump nominee, who is on the payroll of Russian state media
* Routinely posts YouTube videos to give airtime to a convicted child sex offender, who is also on the payroll of Russian state media
* Used the wife beaters defense of Russia – “she provoked me”…”she deserved it”…”she wouldn’t do what I told her”
* Uses every opportunity to minimise the culpability of Russia and Putin
* Didn’t bother to deal with ( when challenged to do so) the report of the High Commission for Human Rights that documented the rape of Ukrainian women and girls (aged between 4 and 82) by the Russian military
So please spare us your views on “embarrassment” and “independence”
Re: – “Australia is better off as part of a more powerful alliance.”
Was that the case when we went to Vietnam? Afghanistan? Iraq?
Seems to me that our “friends” can get us into trouble.
“Powerful alliances” have helped us out when?
Must have missed that bit? Or are you talking hypotheticals without a basis for that speculation?
By the way, the evidence suggests that Australia is forever the follower and not the leader. And not confined to foreign Policy either. Try educational policy as a good example.
Sad but true.
Re called – ” Called the removal of Viktor Yanukovych by a (328 to ZERO) vote of the Ukraine parliament, a “coup”.
Perhaps because it was a ‘coup’? (How embarrassing.)
So for the final time. The number of 328 present and voting did not constitute 75% of the required vote. Thus because it didn’t reach the required number constitutionally, it was (and is) a “coup”.
What aspect of the mathematics don’t you understand?
Can’t se how that descriptor will ever change.
But I do accept that ‘creating one’s own reality’ is a penchant for some.
“More to be pitied than scorned” – just about sums up our ToM. Here for the comedic relief of the serious reader.
You still don’t get it.
There was a popular uprising against Yanukovych because he sought to join the Russian trade zone, in breach of his commitment to seek membership of the EU.
He ordered the military and police to shoot civilians protesters.
They wouldn’t.
He lost control of the tools of government because of his own decisions.
The parliament removed him because he would/could not carry out his responsibilities.
That only a “coup” in the opinion of f**kwits
You are an apologist for anything that is anti western democracy.
A verbose (useful) idiot
““Powerful alliances” have helped us out when?”
Battle of the Coral Sea.
Hilarious! Murderous mongrel Xi is feeling a little precious these days:
It won’t be long before Bleating Keating calls for Winnie to be cancelled in Australia out of deference to his lord and master Xi.
Sb – the Battle of the Coral Sea took place well before, and therefore not the result of any alliance with Australia under the ANZUS banner.
The Battle of the Coral Sea was the USA doing its own thing in revenge against Japan in/on 4 May 1942.
The ANZUS alliance/treaty did not come into existence until 1951.
A Definition of a (political) COUP. is – “a sudden, violent, and unlawful seizure of power from a government.”
The Maidan Coup was “sudden”; it was “violent” (deaths in triple figures); and because it was outside constitutional legitimation – it was therefore unlawful.
You really should seek help. And at any number of levels.
Re “criticising designated leaders”.
Perhaps the most “over-the-top” reaction comes from Thailand under their Lèse-majest or lese-majesty rules.
It’s an offence against the dignity of a ruling head of state (traditionally a monarch but now more often a president) or the state itself.
The English name for this crime is a borrowing from the French, where it means “a crime against The Crown.”
So when in Thailand (for example) don’t step on a ‘coin’ or a currency ‘note’. Can mean jail time. And the person(s) likely to report you work behind bars.
Certainly an example of a strong religious belief. Not to be dismissed.
That’s why you’re stupid MN.
There was no “seizure” of government. There was no illegal installation of a new regime.
Yanukovych lost power because he lost control of the apparatus of government. There was a popular uprising against his objective of aligning the country with Russia, contrary to the commitments he made.
Following him losing control of the government, the parliament established a process, including an election, to resolve this.
Ukraine didn’t wish to be a Russian colony (again)
You just hate facts that get it the way of your blinkered anti western democracy bias
Sb – the Battle of the Coral Sea took place well before, and therefore not the result of any alliance with Australia under the ANZUS banner.
The Battle of the Coral Sea was the USA doing its own thing in revenge against Japan in/on 4 May 1942.
So your proposition is that Australia had no alliance with the US before ANZUS. Arrant nonsense of course. Australia and the US were allies in WWI and WWII.
Consider this:
Of course there was an alliance. The US was not acting independently and entirely in its own interests.
The Japanese advance in our area was stopped and we have our allies to thank for that.
Task Force 44
“The force saw action during the Battle of the Coral Sea, in which it helped turn back a Japanese attempt to invade Port Moresby, New Guinea.
At the start of May, the Americans learned of an imminent Japanese invasion of Port Moresby, and HMAS Hobart was sent with HMAS Australia to rendezvous with United States forces in the Coral Sea.[1] At 07:00 on 7 May, Rear Admiral Crace, embarked aboard Australia as commander of Task Force 44, was ordered to take his ships (Australia, Hobart, US cruiser Chicago, and US destroyers Perkins, Walke, and Farragut) to the Jomard Passage, and engage any Japanese ships found en route to Port Moresby, while several US carrier groups engaged a Japanese force headed for the Solomon Islands…….”
Don’t want to yet too picky but as an admitted non-expert myself, I choose to be guided by the language used by those who claim to be.
“The ANZUS Treaty was signed by the parties in San Francisco in 1951 and entered into force in 1952. The ANZUS Treaty underpins the Australia-United States Alliance.”
Until that time there was no formal Alliance between the USA and Australia.
Further – “A decade later, the fate of Curtin’s revision of Australia’s compromised sovereignty was sealed within the terms of the ANZUS treaty. The effect of ANZUS is that any vestige of Australian sovereignty has since been delivered up as a sacrifice …”
https://johnmenadue.com/the-myth-of-australian-sovereignty/
“I choose to be guided by the language used by those who claim to be.”
What you need to do is to stop obfuscating.
The fact that the ANZUS treaty was signed in in 1951 is irrelevant to my point. As is the question of whether or not there was a formalised alliance in place.
When a friendly nation joins the war on our side and we start co-ordinating with them, that is an alliance. It is much more tangible than a piece of paper.
We we allied with the US in both world wars. All the studied ignorance and puerile misdirection you bring to bear on the matter won’t change that.
Re: – “When a friendly nation joins the war on our side and we start co-ordinating with them, that is an alliance.”
Well it maybe an “alliance” (in you view) but that doesn’t make it an “Alliance”. That came in 1951 – as I’m sure historians will attest.
Just as Capital letters added significance (and gravitas) to ANZUS so it is with AUKUS. Presentation matters as does the bringing of documentation into existence.
Re Victoria Nuland and her ‘claim/boast’
” Victoria Nuland told Congress that US advisors serve in 12 Ukrainian ministries, US-trained police operate in 18 Ukrainian cities, the US Treasury helped close 60 Ukrainian banks while protecting depositors, and the US spent $266 million on training Ukrainian”
Nuland would be aghast that the foreign expert from Melbourne is now downgrading her significant achievement(s).
Organising ‘coups’ takes a lot of work and money. Not for the feint hearted.
Also claims some credit for Nord Stream. One of Biden’s favorites. and early resurrections from Trump.
Is admired for her achievements.
You’re making a fool of yourself MN.
The events of 2014 didn’t even meet the definition of a “coup” that you so carefully selected.
You’re part of that ridiculous anti western democracy coalition that comprises Trump supporters, anti vaxers, conspiracy theorists and old fashioned communists.
All weirdos
All weirdos Your forgot strange right wing LNP supporters …
BTW what’s are old fashioned communists. More Nazis around the world at the moment … are they “old fashioned”?
Re: NSW election … if Labor take it … see below
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premiers_and_chief_ministers_of_the_Australian_states_and_territories
Not sure I like the prospect of 99.9% of governments are one Party … sort of defeats the purpose of democracy …
Let’s hope the LNP wake up finally.
Can’t wait for Mr Potatohead to pop his over the trench!
Now you’re just trolling. Even Neil isn’t that stupid.
More from the Biden crime and incest family – this is Hunter in bed with his 14 year old niece. The one he emailed to tell her how much he loved her.
Looks like another victory for the New Zealand branch of the SS. Violence is such a turn-on for them:
ivi
You never got back to me. Why did you post that ABC article about Robodebt? Was it to back my point or refute my point? This was the title
Over 2000 people died after receiving Centrelink robodebt
notice, figures reveal
For some reason the ABC felt the need to publish how many people died who received debt notices. I wonder why the ABC did that? That article even published links to Lifeline, Suicide Call Back Service, Beyond Blue etc. The implication of that article was obvious.
Turns out 900,00 people received debt notices and 2,030 died. A natural death rate. Many of those 2,000 died of old age.
Why did the ABC try to make out a Coalition program killed 2,000 people. Has the ABC ever published how many people died after a government program started before. Did the ABC publish how many people died after 2011 when Robodebt started?
Has the ABC ever published how many people died after a government program started before.
They certainly have. Along with other many other organisations.
Oh, yes, Liberals prattle on about communism and then act like any other dictatorship on the globe … ’tis a pattern …
I see it’s now 3 months since MN’s go to experts (failed Trump nominee) Douglas MacGregor, and ( convicted child sex offender) Scott Ritter, predicated the imminent fall of the 56th biggest city in Ukraine, Bakhmut
Apparently Putin sacrifices about 100 military personnel per metre gained.
Is there a “public interest” defence??
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/john-setka-s-estranged-wife-accused-of-plotting-to-kill-him-20230329-p5cwg7.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1680080460
“Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime”
Many of those 2,000 died of old age.
It hadn’t been rolled out to aged pensioners …… yet.
Still want to say it’s a ‘natural death rate’?
Yes. morrison is too stupid to think of things like that. But, he asked a bunch of sycophantic fools how he can get money out of people,
TomR
This is from Labors press release in 2011. Why don’t you say the same thing?
Media Release:
New data matching to recover millions in welfare dollars
29 June 2011
Mr Shorten said the tax garnishee process had been carried out manually once a year for the past 15 years and involved a significant amount time on the part of the departmental officers.
“The automation of this process will free up resources and result in more people being referred to the tax garnishee process, retrieving more outstanding debt on behalf of taxpayers,” he said.
He said more than $27.5 million was recovered from over 43,000 former Centrelink customers’ tax refunds in the 2009/10 financial year through the tax garnishee process.
“The new data matching link is expected to increase the number of former customers identified for this process by an additional 65,000, above current detection levels, over the four years.”
I am sure those additional 65,000 were stressed out as well.
Why didn’t the ABC publish how many people died after 2011 like they did after 2016?
Why didn’t the ABC publish how many people died after 2011 like they did after 2016?
At a guess, because Labor weren’t doing anything illegal or needlessly persecuting innocent people who were simply accessing Social Security payments.
At least greed is still good (and getting better):
TomR
Did you read the last 2 paragraphs from Labors 2011 press release when Robodebt started?
Bill Shorten
He said more than $27.5 million was recovered from over 43,000 former Centrelink customers’ tax refunds in the 2009/10 financial year through the tax garnishee process.
“The new data matching link is expected to increase the number of former customers identified for this process by an additional 65,000, above current detection levels, over the four years.”
I bet you those extra 65,000 may have thought they were being needlessly persecuted.
I bet you those extra 65,000 may have thought they were being needlessly persecuted.
They could have felt how they like. The fact that no court case or dispute was carried out indicates that they were just trying to rip the system off, and caught.
fyi, robodebt didn’t start until well into the Liberals term. You have been informed of this many times, even the Royal Commission proved this. don’t be so obstinately stupid
The fact that no court case or dispute was carried out indicates that they were just trying to rip the system off, and caught.
Maybe so. But the media hates the Coalition. I no longer believe anything a ALP/Greens supporter says. Over the years i have found so many falsehoods. In this case you may be right.
But i bet you there were stressed people in those extra 65,000 that Labor hoped to catch that the media never reported.
Computers started generating debt notices in 2011. That is when Robodebt started. It was the beginning of a fully automated system. This world is being run by computers more and more.
<i?But the media hates the Coalition.
ROFL
You mean the media run by murdoch/costello/stokes and buttrose. Yes, I can see how that would happen lol
Computers started generating debt notices in 2011
Computers were doing it way before then. It only started sending them out without any human oversight when morrison got his way. Go and look at the Royal Commission ffs
It only started sending them out without any human oversight when morrison got his way
OK. It was most probably the next step in a world being run by computers more and more.
But i think computers started sending out debt notices in 2011. Before 2011 it was done manually. Data matching was not computerised until 2011. That is when computers started sending out debt notices.
❌patriotism – Jan 6 took care of that
❌religious faith – BS – contradicts politics … mmmm
❌having children – er, is that why all the (religious) laws against abortion – not enough future believers?
❌community involvement – who the fuck do you trust? Anywhere!
I no longer believe anything a ALP/Greens supporter says.
You never did!
But i bet you there were stressed people in those extra 65,000 that Labor hoped to catch that the media never reported.
That’s your “evidence” … a bet?
This world is being run by computers more and more.
So you’re no longer a Robodebt computer …
That is when computers started sending out debt notices.
And then – along came Sco-o – m – o …
From (a contributor to) the New York Times and Trump –
“Whether one loves or detests Donald Trump, the spectacle of a former president appearing in a Manhattan courtroom to answer to criminal charges is tragic from a historical perspective. It forever tarnishes and diminishes the office of the presidency and, by extension, the nation itself.
It is one thing for a commander in chief to be thought of as incompetent, misguided or overwhelmed. It is quite another to contemplate outright criminality.
As much as I abhor Mr. Trump’s policies and political point of view, I sincerely hope that he did not engage in criminal conduct, despite his less than stellar ethical track record. Such a legal finding would significantly undermine America’s hard-earned moral standing with the rest of the world, from which it may never recover.
Mark Godes
Chelsea, Mass”
While most Americans (and probably Australians too) believe that America has ‘hard-earned moral standing’, that’s not my personal experience.
Far from it!
Nor mine, MN.
But daily, we creep towards becoming the 51st State.
Looks like the lefties in the USA are as nasty as the lefties in Australia.
It is quite another to contemplate outright criminality.
I’m not that involved in ‘merican politics, but even I know about nixon ffs
yes nil, all these right wing politicians do illegal things because …. Lefties
ffsToThePowerOfN!
““Whether one loves or detests Donald Trump, the spectacle of a former president appearing in a Manhattan courtroom to answer to criminal charges is tragic from a historical perspective. It forever tarnishes and diminishes the office of the presidency and, by extension, the nation itself.”
Good to see you’re on board with the “sad day” Democrat talking point, MN.
This is how it works: the narrative is engineered, the talking points go out and the Uniparty stooges in the media sell the narrative:
[video src="https://media.grabien.com/a/streams/1873/Vvzm1R-qPTDKdH8NcsMBrQ/1680783232/1873423.mp4" /]
Dumb Fat Fuck Bragg campaigned for election as DA on the promise to get Trump. That is what is sad – the criminalisation of politics. It is straight out of the Stalin/Beria playbook: “Show me the man and I’ll find the crime.”
In this incident there is no semblance of a crime. Unfortunately the judge (who is a Biden donor who just happens to be prosecuting Biden’s political opponent) can’t get around to hearing the matter until December. Gotta love them Democrats and their commitment to a fair and speedy trial.
It is going to be fun watching the consequences play out as conservatives learn to play by the new rules.
The Democrats decided to abandon the filibuster for judicial nominations. Look at the Supreme Court now. Cause and effect Democrats, cause and effect.
Video of media whores.
Also Google’s curated search results yet again get it wrong in a way that favours the leftist narrative:
You listen to some weird conspiracies splats
https://www.kcra.com/article/fact-check-trump-claims-about-arraignment-indictment/43513091
Sb – My post is NOT about any imagined ‘left’ or ‘right’ side of American politics. Rather it’s about the absence of any overall moral standing at the apex of American political life.
That Biden was the best the Democrats could find and Trump was the best the Republicans could dredge up says much about the state of American political life.
But it matters not!
Pretty well all aspects of the American Empire have been outsourced to interest groups. Whether it be foreign policy, health policy, education policy, or whatever, what actually happens (the ‘lived’ policy) is determined far and away from the supposed halls of power.
As been said on any number of occasions, the behavior of US government is the best that money could buy. It was sold off some time ago.
My main concern is that we (Australia) seem determined to go down that track and it matters not whether which ‘side’ of government occupies the Treasury Benches.
Mere vassals. Sheep. And we had no real say in the matter.
MN
I think Trump had some talent. He was different. A successful businessman. He did a good job as President.
What bad things did Trump do as President?
Obviously, his personal life is not so great. Shows how quickly things change. Fifty years ago a guy like Trump would never be selected.
“The PAC endorsed Bragg, who is Black, on May 8, 2021, pledging to spend over $1 million to help elect him.
On May 12, four days after endorsing Bragg, the California-based PAC registered with the New York State Board of Elections. Two days later, the PAC received a $1 million donation from Soros. The group reported receiving no other contributions for New York’s 2021 campaign cycle.”
But Soros didn’t fund Bragg! Hahaha – on that analysis Trump didn’t pay Stormy.
* Finland joins NATO
* Sweden seeks membership
* All Scandinavian countries support NATO
* Every former Warsaw Pact signatory has joined NATO
…but according to MN, and his “experts” they’re all wrong, and Putin has been “provoked”
What’s wrong with Trump … what’s right with It?
And that’s just one insight into his lying, cheating, disrespect, heartlessness and total stupidity with regard to real human beings.
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=What+bad+things+did+Trump+do+as+President%3F&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Always the Enablers that help the people like, Trump.
Just check some of our own politicians.
And history – long before Hitler and Mussolini.
I was educated at primary school (UK) that Julius Caesar was a “hero” … turns out he was nothing of the kind.
https://www.ipl.org/essay/Julius-Caesar-Hero-Or-Villain-PJMRV4HGYT
Speaking of Hitler … he too went to jail … and later started WW2 … history rhymes …
Their position on the voice will be the death of the Liberal Party.
Dutton sounds like an incoherent bigot when he’s defending their position, and that’s because he is. Moderate liberals need to split and leave the bigots to fend for themselves.
Someone like Zoe Daniel might take a leadership role in a loose alliance of the centre aligned
Hear! Hear! ToM!
TomR
My knowledge of American politics is close to zero. But i like Trump because he was different and annoyed the people who annoyed me. I had a peak at the top 10 things people hated about Trump but i do not know enough to comment. Number 8 was this
8. He ordered the drawdown of nearly all U.S. forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. Trump was apparently talked out of a complete withdrawal, but reducing to 2,500 troops in each country makes no strategic sense. Despite an ongoing terrorist threat, we will have fewer troops in Afghanistan or Iraq than we do in Spain.
What was wrong with that?
Their position on the voice will be the death of the Liberal Party.
Good Lets have LABOR 24/7.
In 2007 the budget was a $20B surplus and govt debt was ZERO.
Then Australia voted Rudd/Swan/ALP and now we have $1T of debt.
Who would have thunk it???
What was wrong with that?
You mean apart from the complete chaos that telegraphed withdrawal enacted, there is also this.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/12/21/1144703393/taliban-begins-to-enforce-education-ban-leaving-afghan-women-with-tears-and-ange
My knowledge of American politics is close to zero.
And just about anything else …
I had a peak at the top 10 …
I think you meant … “peek”
A “peek” isn’t quite the same as reading, absorbing, comprehending the content and then researching other points of view. (Apart from turning up here of course)
If Dutton goes under the political bus, replacement choices from the “liberal” end of the spectrum will include Birmingham, Lesser and very few others. But replacements might also include “conservatives” like Angus Taylor.
Currently, it’s the Conservatives who hold sway in the Liberal Party with many more philosophically aligned “liberals” to be found in Labor Party than is normally the case.
Can’t think of who in the Labor Party one could call a ‘leftie’.
Politics in Australia has lost its ideological force it’s now about ‘popular’ leaders.
You mean apart from the complete chaos that telegraphed withdrawal enacted, there is also this.
TomR
I do not know enough to comment. All i can say that ATM i like Trump because he annoyed the people who annoy me.
But in 2007 the aussie budget was a $20B surplus and govt debt was ZERO. Then Australia voted Rudd/ALP and now we have $1T of debt.
And they vote TR … explains
a loteverything … ‘Tis the meaning of life!TB
In 2007 the budget was a $20B surplus and govt debt was ZERO.
Then you voted Rudd and in 2008 the budget was a $27B deficit. And we have not run a surplus budget since 2007 racking up $1T of debt.
I hope you are happy.
In 2007 the budget was a $20B surplus and govt debt was ZERO.
FFS! Kneel! Get over it! It’s 2023 … life moves on from 2007 … when the GFC hit a Labor Government!
No lies, Kneel, just fact … and economic history in a capitalist society … NO Australian Government controls the World Economic Markets.
Australian Financial Review …
“And that’s just one insight into his lying, cheating, disrespect, heartlessness and total stupidity with regard to real human beings.”
TB, thank you for the above comment. The first point is that the words you use more more accurately describe your behaviour. Each one of those words characterises your decision to sneeringly republish that long-discredited lie.
Of course, there are some on the left who, unlike you, do not have a raging case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. They can think logically and are honest enough to admit their mistakes. Watch and learn, TB – try to develop the honesty to recognise your mistakes and the integrity to admit and correct them:
Take journalist Jason Leopold:
Now is your opportunity to admit that you got it wrong. Of course you won’t. Your elephantine ego won’t let you. You are a lot like Trump in may ways.
MN, much of the corruption at the apex of American political life has been directed at Trump, because he is an outsider and a threat to the Uniparty.
Trump’s greatest achievement is that he has forced the deeps state to show its ugly face. From before he was elected the FBI was lying to a court to get warrants to spy on Trump and his campaign. Those warrants were based on nothing other than lies cobbled together by Clinton stooges and paid for by fraudulently describing them as legal expenses. Unlike Trump, Clinton was not charged with a felony for this campaign finance violation, just a small fine.
In addition Trump was subjected to a baseless two year Special Counsel process premised on the same fraudulent data.
In the particular case you are referring to, MN, it is ridiculous to use the charging documents as evidence of anything other than the criminalisation of US federal politics by a city DA who is using a bizarre and novel theory to charge Trump with a felony.
So, MN, if you care at all about government by the people, you should be outraged by this. But most leftists don’t give a shit. The media now has given up trying to be honest. Honesty seems to be a racist concept these days.
Andrew and Nicola Forrest lose bid to build irrigation project that traditional owners fear could kill sacred serpent
Poetic justice really. Good to see that the snake science is settled!
Pedo Peter has at least this in common with the Dalai Lama:
Sb – the “deep state” is an abstract concept. (But nevertheless a “useful” one I believe.)
As I understand the concept, there is no designated or recognised leader and never has been, For me, the ‘deep state’ can be equated to what might be called the American Empire’s “Common Sense”.
Regardless of which “concrete” party is in power Democract or Republican (regardless of which President is in Office), the “Common Sense” of ‘violence/aggression’ etc continues. America must lead the world. It’s their religion. That’s their “common sense”. That’s their belief. Their religion. An American led “unipolar” world.
But yes Trump promised/attempted to alter that ‘common sense’. He wanted MAGNA but he wanted it on the cheap. Wanted the outcome but not the expenditure.
Watch and learn, TB – try to develop the honesty to recognise your mistakes and the integrity to admit and correct them:
Let me reply in language that you seem to understand … get fucked Trumped moron! Or should I say Siege Heil!
And Take journalist Jason Leopold: You take him … Trump is a danger to everyone on the planet … a club member with Putin, Xi Pin and whoever is running Iran at the moment!
I just missed one war, been alive through five had my family’s life turned upside down with one … I do hope you commemorate, respect and remember all the Diggers on Anzac Day … that gave you the right to write freely …
First you accuse me of being a silly old fool and then you ask me to “watch and learn” … I’ve watched, learned and …… experienced more than you will ever know!
LABOR are running their own ROBODEBT
The data-matching program will target people
GASP! HORROR!
Good on em I say!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/apr/12/australian-tax-office-force-banks-hand-over-landlord-data-investment-property-crackdown
LABOR are running their own ROBODEBT
TomR
Robodebt was started by Labor. Data matching between the ATO and Centrelink was started in the early 1990’s when Grame Richardson was Minister. It was computerised in 2011. This from Labors 2011 Press release
He said more than $27.5 million was recovered from over 43,000 former Centrelink customers’ tax refunds in the 2009/10 financial year through the tax garnishee process.
“The new data matching link is expected to increase the number of former customers identified for this process by an additional 65,000, above current detection levels, over the four years.”
Now if you were told that was a Coalition Press release you would be saying Coalition were hunting 65,000 poor and vulnerable people. But since it was a Bill Shorten Press release you will say Labor was hunting the rorters
“I’ve watched, learned and …… experienced more than you will ever know!”
No one, least of all me, is doubting your achievements or that you are good person, TB. I’m merely trying to get you to the point where you are capable of admitting you are wrong sometimes. It is not something I’ve ever seen you do here.
“get fucked Trumped moron! Or should I say Siege Heil!”
I’m sorry to have disturbed your equanimity, TB. TDS is a hell of a thing!
“Trump is a danger to everyone on the planet”
Unlike every other President in living memory, Trump hasn’t started any wars. Meanwhile, Biden has brought us to the brink of a world war between nuclear armed combatants.
Biden has been bought and paid for by Russian oligarchs, Ukrainian oligarchs and Chinese businessmen. That corrupt rotting bag of oatmeal overrode the advice of his generals which resulted in the chaotic murderous withdrawal from Afghanistan and billions of dollars in arms being supplied to the Taliban. The arms industry loves Biden, not only for Afghanistan but also for the billions spent arming Ukraine.
It is not something I’ve ever seen you do here.
1. ‘Cause you ain’t been here that long.
2. I’ve never seen it from you either.
TDS … you’ve been diagnosed I guess … understandable … no good trying projection … don’t work
TB, now is the perfect time to demonstrate your ability to learn from your mistakes. You posted a lie about Trump which has been widely discredited and used that lie as a basis to attack him. So prove me wrong – acknowledge it!
For the record, I’ve been around her for about ten years and I usually admit it when I’m clearly wrong (as you are here). I recollect that I’ve done that with Toilet, MN, Kneel and with Tom R. Sometimes I’m so embarrassed that I just slink away rather than acknowledge the error.
Usually Tom R just says something like “Didn’t you read the comments on the twitter thread you posted”. I think “Duh” and try harder to check what I post.
Also, Tom R usually admits his errors.
It isn’t that big a deal, really. Everyone gets stuff wrong. The difference is you won’t acknowledge it. You take yourself far too seriously.