No Evidence: Peter Dutton Savaged over baseless “Rampant Child Sex Abuse” claim!
IN A QUESTIONABLE CLAIM eerily similar to one he made four years ago that “Melbournians were too scared to go out to restaurants” due to “African gang violence,” Federal Opposition Leader Peter “Boofhead” Dutton (also known as the “Leader of the Leftovers), says that residents in Alice Springs are “too scared” to go out at night due to “lawlessness” and has called the AFP to intervene.
Apparently, he reckons people are “barricading themselves” in their homes at night.
“You can’t have a situation where people have fear and a lot of people have spoken to us about this sort of self imposed curfew where they get home and lock themselves in their homes,’’ he said.
Desperate for a distraction from woeful polling, and a party in bitter freefall over its “Just Vote No” stance on the Federal Government’s forthcoming Indigenous Voice to Parliament referendum, the former cop from Queensland fell to pieces when asked to provide supporting evidence behind his claim that child sex abuse was “rampant” in the community.
A local ABC journalist asked the opposition leader whether claims of “rampant child sexual abuse” were accurate, and why some peak bodies rejected his calls for a royal commission into the rate of abuse.
Dutton: “I mean, with respect, that’s such an ABC question. Do you live locally? I mean, do you speak to people on the street? Do you hear what it is they’re saying to you?”
Reporter: “I live locally.”
Dutton: “You live locally and you don’t believe there’s any problem here?”
Reporter: “No I’m asking you what evidence you have.”
Dutton then responded by saying he had spoken “”extensively”” to social workers, police and others.
He said he was “”unaware”” what bureaucrats and academics believed, and argued the ABC would be abrogating its duty if it ignored the story.
Dutton: “If the ABC and others don’t see fit to report that then frankly I think it reflects more on the ABC than it does on the locals here. And I don’t think you’re doing your job if you’re denying the reality of the circumstances on the ground,” he said.
Reporter: “I’m not denying the reality. I’m asking you what data you’re using to support your claims here.”
Dutton: “I’ve answered that question so if there’s a more sensible one I’d be happy to take it.”
One would expect an individual making wild assertions about “rampant sex abuse” would have the data to back up those claims at their fingertips, particularly if you’re going on national television to broadcast those claims with the intention of gaining some political advantage.
But once again, as he has done so many times before, Dutton proves himself to be a rank amateur. Full of froth and bluster on the surface with an intellect-free zone occupying the space underneath. A complete and utter waste of space.
To quote one of Australia’s most popular State Premiers, he’s not a leader, he’s just a liberal.
theguttertrash.com 
Does Dutton live locally? Nope. But he spoke to a couple of shoppers at a shopping mall so that’s enough “evidence” for a Royal Commission, apparently. 🙄
reb! That is gross (see what I did there?)
Dutton needs to look at his own electorate … teenagers running wild …
That is gross (see what I did there?)
Times have been tough since Fifi and Lulu had to shut down the dance studio due to Covid.
I love the way the one in red just swans in looking all sultry like and then sets down her glass of wine on the piano without so much as finding a coaster first. That’s the real travesty.
Ahhh, Fifi and Lulu, hope they both well and still living in sin … and how is travesty these days? Coastering along I hope
And in breaking news!
Here’s your data
“In 2020-21, 14,600 (1 in 23, or a rate of 43 per 1,000) Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children were the subject of a child protection substantiation – approximately 5 times the rate of non-Indigenous children (8.8 per 1,000). Indigenous children had a lower percentage of substantiations for sexual abuse than non-Indigenous children nationally (AIHW, 2022).
Between 2016-17 and 2020-21, the number of Indigenous children who were the subject of a child protection substantiation increased by 6.2%; from approximately 13,700 to 14,600 children (AIHW, 2022).
In 2019, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children were 5.3 times more likely to be reported to child protection, 9.4 times more likely to be subject to a protection order, and 9.7 times more likely to be living in out-of-home care than non-Indigenous children (Family Matters, 2020).
A study of reporting rates in Australian Indigenous communities showed that the reporting rate for child sexual abuse of Indigenous children was between two and four times that of non-Indigenous children.”
But Yes the Left is just continually in denial
https://bravehearts.org.au/research-lobbying/stats-facts/prevalance-of-child-sexual-abuse/#:~:text=Survey%20studies&text=According%20to%20the%20most%20recent,the%20age%20of%2015%20years.
Well, Fifi obtained her Diploma of Surgical Enhancement (online) from Volgograd Technical Institute and now provides comprehensive procedures for improvement in self esteem! Liposuction, Botox, silicone…
Why be satisfied with what nature provided!! …is the catchy business promotion tag!
Lulu provides services related to restraint and applies the Betadine.
Does Dutton live locally?
Does dutton live? Does he cast a reflection?
What he is attempting is shameful, disgusting, and … not even new
Everything racist is new again 😦
https://newmatilda.com/2017/06/28/a-decade-on-the-fraud-of-the-nt-intervention-is-exposed/
“[Dutton’s] claims were immediately rebutted and called into question by the federal government, the NT government, and the peak body for Aboriginal and Islander Children, the Secretariat of Aboriginal and Islander Child Care (SNAICC).”
SNAICC chief executive Catherine Liddle is an Arrente woman who has lived most of her life in Alice Springs.
“What we definitively have not seen in the evidence and the data is an increase in child abuse or, in particular, in child sexual abuse. It is not reflected in any of the data sets,” Liddle said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-15/alice-springs-peter-dutton-abuse-claims/102225374
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Dutton, like Trump, Scotty and Boris stay around because of the “Enablers”.
And let’s not forget Lukey Howarth whose electorate is next door to Potato Head’s … another head down, do nothing, collect the money and support me mate next door.
Dutton’s voting NO because he can’t afford to lose his ‘right wing’ (read the Nationals) who will surely vote NO in the majority. At least in Queensland, Western Australia.
Worth looking at the exact wording.
“A referendum is only passed if it is approved by a majority of voters across the nation and a majority of voters in a majority of states—this is known as a double majority. Territory voters are only counted in the national majority.
If a referendum is successful, the change is made to the Constitution.”
Besides – he’s a Conservative – and saying NO comes naturally.
What should be an easy win – won’t be.
Besides – he’s a Conservative – and saying NO comes naturally.
In the Coalitions first May 2014 budget Labor said NO to any attempt to get the budget back into surplus.
Now we have $1T of debt. In 2007 the budget was a $20B surplus and govt debt was zero.
Labor said NO to any attempt to get the budget back into surplus.
Perhaps they should have considered how they were going to pay for things while they were running around getting rid of things like the MRRT and Carbon Price.
And let’s not forget, a large chunk of that is by using ‘stimulus’ payments to grift money to rich corporations, which has helped fuel our current inflation woes.
Perhaps Macron could have a word to Albo?
Or maybe we’re too comfortable with the ‘cultural cringe’?
https://johnmenadue.com/aukus-as-cultural-cringe/
Macron-
* Leads a country that is committed to go to war if any single one of 30 other countries is invaded
* Visits China and mouths some diplomatic platitudes to assist the French sale of hundreds of aircraft
But MN thinks he’s showing some independence!!
More evidence of willful ignorance
ToM – at least Macron is selling. Australia is forever buying. And on the never, never. Accruing debts to support a foreign nation.
Your ambition to be a vassal to the American Empire is never more evident.
Why won’t you try to be a proud, independent Australian rather that saddling your offspring with a mountain of debt that is designed in vain pursuit of a unipolar world?
Hilarious
You laud the leader of a country for independence, even though they’re obligated to go to war if any of their neighbours, or their neighbour’s neighy… or their neighbour’s neighbour’s neighbours… goes to war
Do you endorse Macron’s foreign and defence policies?
Australian made (in Queensland!) …
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/03/23/germany-plans-to-buy-australian-made-combat-vehicles/
I can and should be done here … the more independent we are the safer we will be … Australia couldn’t build a war plane in WW2 until 1944!
Click to access WP12-The-Australian-Aviation-Industry.pdf
Think of all the expertise and infrastructure lost when the car manufacturers were told to piss off.
And contrary to rumour the Collins submarines put the US Navy to shame on excises … they were due for upgrading not scrapping … and now there’s discussion of drone subs … remember I wrote about that about four years ago … even then it was a topic of interest in the Navy’s mess. Not in Canberra.
So what to make of Wong:
“The Foreign Minister argued Australia wanted a situation where “no country dominates and no country is dominated” and emphasised the need to develop “guardrails” in the region.
“The guardrails that were developed in the wake of the Cuban missile crisis serve as a guide,” she said.
“President Biden has made overtures to China toward agreeing to guardrails. It is in all the world’s interests that his overtures are met. ”
Dear oh dear. How does that fit with the American Empire’s stated ambition to contain China? Clearly, Wong is having a lend.
And she has the cheek to cite Cuba.
Very clever! (But the deep point will probably be missed.)
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/penny-wong-responds-to-paul-keatings-personal-criticism-of-her-tenure-as-foreign-minister/news-story/2d299d69a5d791b0752997a1b958ba62
TB – Who actually owns the Company that makes the vehicles?
The clue’s in the company name, MN … Rheinmetall … Dusseldorf company … ironic (germanic?) in a way … but they are earning for Australia … and they employ a lot of ex RAEME personnel in the manufacturing plant. They also manufacture the Boxer Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle in Ipswich. The value is in having facilities to manufacture defence equipment and trained personnel to build them … and they do benefit the Australian economy.
Lot of benefits.
Yes there’s been any number of articles.
“Eleven of these top 15 Australian defence contractors are foreign-owned (73%) – highlighted red on the right side. If we take out the three Australian companies that are not arms manufacturers – they work on expanding and maintaining defence bases and infrastructure, catering, other services – there is only one Australian arms manufacturer in the 12 listed, ASC – formerly Australian Submarine Corporation, in South Australia”
https://johnmenadue.com/undue-influence-of-the-arms-industry-in-australia/
Think of all the expertise and infrastructure lost when the car manufacturers were told to piss off.
Except it never happened. This is the reason car manufacturers left. This was published in 2013 talking about 2012
Autocar has summed up the sales woes of the Commodore in words:
Holdens failure to sell enough cars in its home market is its ultimate downfall. In 2002, Holden sold 80,000 Commodores (its staple large saloon, built locally). Last year it sold just 30,000. With a break-even figure of 40,000, this has been a long time coming.
Consumers wanted SUVs but Holden was making Commodores so people purchased imports. You cannot force people to buy sedans if they don’t want them.
When Ford announced they were leaving when Gillard was PM the industry was dead.
When NATO doesn’t want to go to war, it chooses NOT to investigate.
Anyone remember the NORD stream?
Hilarious! But I suppose it’s all in the language.
And when did NATO last act as a collective defense? (And not as an aggressor?)
I’m confident Walrus will have something to say about this…
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Dan Andrews is certainly fortunate that the Liberals are such a rabble
In other circumstances a damning report on operatives of his government would cause immense damage. But unfortunately, Dan will sail through with a few disingenuous and glib comments
“In the NT, you are required by law to report concerns if you believe a child is being, or has been, abused.”
If the NT Labor government actually enforced that law against perps and enablers then some good might come of it. Using it against people fighting for the victims is about what you would expect from the Party of Paedophiles.
For example these mongrels gave their 14 year old granddaughter to Kumanjayi Walker:
“My grandmother and grandfather told him, ‘you gotta live with us and we gotta give you my granddaughter’.
Hugh White focuses on a real issue that seems to have escaped the MSM. (And not for the first time.)
The American Empire’s made clear it wants a Unipolar World with power sharing (with China in the Pacific) an absolute no-no. Yet Wong seems to want it both ways in some of her speeches. (Good!)
White says:
“That means Australia’s best chance of shaping the new order in Asia is to influence America’s approach to it. But we cannot do that as long as our unconditional support for US policy sends the unmistakable message that we are perfectly happy as it is. Wong’s cautiously-phrased talk of multipolarity this week will be quite inaudible to American ears attuned to the AUKUS hoopla.
So, to influence America, Wong needs to speak in a straightforward fashion, and a lot louder. She needs to explain in words of one syllable that Australia’s objectives in Asia differ from America’s, and why, and urge America to change course and aim for outcomes that suit our interests. Of course, the pessimists will say that there is no point: how can we influence the United States on such a big question? But Wong keeps saying how important it is for us to take the big steps needed. To shape the world in our favour. That is the Evatt way, after all.
This would entail a big choice, though, and Wong doesn’t like choices. In her speech she castigated those “commentators and strategists” who advocate “simple, clear choices. Black and white.” She likes to evade these choices by walking both sides of the street.
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/hugh-white-choice-facing-penny-wong
Come on Wong be an independent Australian (using diplomatic language of course.)
For example these mongrels gave their 14 year old granddaughter to Kumanjayi Walker:
WTF you ranting about this time splats? Is it this guy? A 15 year old going out with a 14 year old?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kumanjayi_Walker
MN
To shape the world in our favour.
That’s the important sentence.
Indian PM Modi … used to annoy me … but I do see occasional glimpses of his modus operandi (pun intended). He’s seems to be playing all the power players … and why not.
Australia is a baby in the world scheme of things and it may be more beneficial to be “neutral” rather than locked in to the American Way. New Zealand seems to have grasped that concept.
And yet, let’s all celebrate the coronation of (y)our king … Charles has never been a “lucky” name for the head of state … 😈
“WTF you ranting about this time splats?”
Just sayin’ that a bloke who thinks he has the right to give his 14 year old granddaughter to someone else is a mongrel. Maybe he should have reported the child abuse he enabled. Violating that law is just one of the crimes he should be charged with.
TB – there’s a new world on our doorstep.
We didn’t have to be so closely aligned with the USA. Time we grew up but it’s probably too late.
“A sleight of hand is at work. Great power rivalry between the US and China is driving our policies and those of our regional neighbours. But it is taking Australia in a different direction from our regional neighbours. This is the uncomfortable truth that the foreign minister is keen to avoid, and that Keating has sought to highlight.”
https://johnmenadue.com/penny-wong-and-paul-keating-need-to-have-this-vital-debate/
On the other hand, there’s Vietnam. which has been in conflict with China for generations, and yet Vietnam refuses to allow foreign bases on its soil and refuses to join alliances.
Further –
“Macron said Europe must preserve its “strategic autonomy” and that it would be dangerous to follow Washington’s belligerent lead over Taiwan; otherwise, European states would all become no more than US “vassals”.
And from the Asian side of the world.
“As sure as night follows day, the editorial knives are out for democratic leaders who have gone off script from the narratives of empire. The Anglo-American press has exploded in a paroxysm of rage over recent remarks made …
… The dollar’s global dominance is the linchpin of the US empire. That’s why Washington is furious as an increasing number of countries, not just autocratic but democratic ones as well, are using their own currencies in bilateral or trilateral trade,
https://www.scmp.com/comment/adingwer
(Not that dividing the world into “democracies” and “autocracies” is a “useful” conceptual framework.”
Just sayin’ that a bloke who thinks
Do you have a link to this rambling, because, all I could find was, the story of two teenagers, which, when you take out the horrifying backstory, is just two kids
This article, Tom R. Here are some excerpts:
I guess when you are 14 and your grandfather gives you to a violent thug you might blame yourself and put up with that shit. The grandfather is hardly going to help you.
And all Labor can do is to play political games with a law that should be used in this case to lock up the mongrel who ought to have been protecting his grandaughter instead of watching her being beaten to a pulp for years.
lol, the lolstrayan, pulease
Hey, have you heard about the Dominion lawsuit. we can safely ignore ANYTHING from murdochs stables going forward, just like I’ve been telling you for years 😉
Thanks, Tom R. I’ll just leave your utter failure to address the substantive issue right there.
News Flash!
80 TEAR OLD MAN HAS 80 YEAR OLD OPINIONS
I think Barry Humphries was funnier in his mid career, but I find all the qualifications about his legacy is little odd.
He was an 85 year old satirist and made satirical comments about trans gender people
“YEAR”
TomR
Did you read this
Holdens failure to sell enough cars in its home market is its ultimate downfall. In 2002, Holden sold 80,000 Commodores (its staple large saloon, built locally). Last year it sold just 30,000. With a break-even figure of 40,000, this has been a long time coming.
Do you still think Holden left because Hockey insulted Holden in Parliament? In fact there was no insult, Hockey just wanted to know what Holdens plans were.
So Holden sold 30,000 Commodores in 2012. They needed to sell 40,000 to break even. People wanted SUVs but Holden and Ford were making sedans so people purchased imports.
I’ll just leave your utter failure to address the substantive issue right there.
You mean, to address comments made in an outlet infamous for lying? What exactly is there to address in that case?
Hockey just wanted to know what Holdens plans were
yea, just ‘asking questions’, right
”Are you seeing this question time attack on Holden?” read the text message, sent by a company insider. ”Taunting [Holden] to leave. It’s extraordinary.”
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/taunts-in-parliament-and-text-brought-about-general-motors-holdens-exit-from-australia-20131211-2z6i6.html
Guess wot nil, due to this little thing called a GFC, car sales, world wide, were down. And yes, Holden were slow, but were moving to a smaller, hybrid model. Of course, we’ve been over this, countless times, but you just keep resetting your little mind to whatever the proven fraud and liar murdoch sets it back to
little mind to whatever the proven fraud and liar murdoch sets it back to
?? What has Murdoch to do with sales of Commodores crashing from 80,000/year to only 30,000 by 2012?? Holden needed to sell 40,000 to break even. I got those numbers from this link not Murdoch
https://www.ausmotive.com/2013/12/12/commodore-and-falcon-decline-tells-the-real-story.html
I don’t think car sales were down. People stopped buying sedans because they wanted SUVs. Blame management for making cars nobody wanted to drive.
As usual you suppress the truth for some reason.
I don’t think car sales were down
That’s because lying murdoch keeps resetting your little mind
https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/was-the-government-bailout-of-car-financers-necessary
TomR
That is a USA article. What about Australia??
https://www.ausmotive.com/2013/12/12/commodore-and-falcon-decline-tells-the-real-story.html
Whatever you believe to be the cause, the effect of dramatically declining sales for the Commodore and Falcon paints the true picture. Couple that with a new car sales market in Australia that is otherwise quite healthy and the decision for the two US auto giants to abandon ship was a bit of a no-brainer.
It still sucks, though.
There was no drop in new car sales in Australia according to the above quote. It was actually healthy in 2013 when the article was written. Maybe a slight dip during the GFC. Ford left when Gillard was PM because they were making sedans and nobody wanted them. Holden soon followed for the same reason.
( “What about Australia??”
Good question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OzCar )
Good question
Shhh, nils still not sure what the G in GFC means 😉
TomR
So now you are saying the GFC destroyed the car industry? Your excuses keep changing. I found this
https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/total-vehicle-sales
There was a small dip during the GFC in new car sales to 2000 levels but sales had recovered by 2010.
Whatever you believe to be the cause, the effect of dramatically declining sales for the Commodore and Falcon paints the true picture. Couple that with a new car sales market in Australia that is otherwise quite healthy and the decision for the two US auto giants to abandon ship was a bit of a no-brainer.
It still sucks, though.
was a bit of a no-brainer.
It was quite obviously not ‘a bit of a no-brainer’, considering that management had put together a plan to get them through the slump. But, as is clearly shown, hockey etal basically told them to FO. It is in Hansard
At least you finally admitted that car sales fell through the GFC, so baby steps.
Of course, this will all be forgotten by tomorrow, and around we will go.
TomR
Ford announced they were leaving in 2012 when they were getting all the subsidy money they wanted.
As usual you suppress the truth. Holden/Ford were making cars nobody wanted.
There was no slump after 2010. New car sales were strong in 2010, 2011,2012,2013 etc. However people purchased imports.
WOW!
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/apr/26/dennis-barnes-louisiana-scholarships-college
Do yourself a favour and read ALL of this article … two very special people.
WOW!
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/apr/26/dennis-barnes-louisiana-scholarships-college
Do yourself a favour and read ALL the article above.
TomR
Same with Falcon sales. Ford Falcon went from 70,000 sales/year in 2002 to only 15,000 by 2012. That is even worse than Holden Commodores figures.
When are you going to admit that management got it wrong? Aussies wanted SUVs but Holden and Ford were making sedans.
It is people like you that is the reason why we no longer have a auto industry.
Just in case you needed any further evidence that Tim Wilson is a complete and utter cunt.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2023/04/26/tim-wilson-wreathgate-anzac/
Didn’t need any, reb … read this morning.
I’m sick of local pollies trying pretend they are not using Anzc Day to promote themselves …
The Minister has been making Anzac biscuits far longer than Lukey Howarth and his dumb recipe – lest we forget. And whoever puts desiccated coconut in them doesn’t realize when and where they originated. Awful stuff.
Ahh … the rich and infamous …
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/27/former-partner-of-lord-ashcroft-son-pleads-guilty-in-belize-over-shooting-of-police-officer
Did I mention cowardly, and hiding profits from business dealings and possibly evading tax while the peasants in the UK reach poverty levels of a third world country … bit like here, and the USofA, and France ad nauseam …
The “system”* has broke AGAIN!
Reb
I clicked on your twitter account and you mentioned you had ear trouble. i would have posted something but Twitter has banned me.
I have to get my ears flushed out every 3-4 years because they fill up with wax. I go to the medical Center and they flush out my ears with some water syringe. Then i can hear properly.
last time i went they did not bulk bill so i had to pay something
https://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/60269/earclear-cleansing-spray-100ml-%E2%80%93-prevents-ear-wax-build-up-keeps-ears-clean
Seriously. Playing drums, singing, firing weapons, throwing grenades and maintaining and driving armoured vehicles – without hearing protection means I now wear hearing aids … and wax buildup is a problem …
My audiologist recommends an oil based wax softener too.
Best of luck … my sympathies. Seriously! 😎
I deny any involvement in this! In fact I’m considering copyright and defamation legal action against the Chinese Government!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/28/chinese-tb-001-combat-drone-flies-around-taiwan-says-islands-military
So Fauci lied to congress and likely funded the creation of the SARS-CoV-2 virus:
TomR
Are you still trying to say that Hockey said BOO in 2014 and Holden and Ford up and left??
Ford Falcon went from 70,000 sales/year in 2002 to only 15,000 by 2012.
Management got it wrong. Holden and Ford were making sedans
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/australian-car-market-car-sales-statistics-and-figures-70982
But you only need to look at the top selling cars in Australia to find out where the mainstream growth lies. Of our top-10 models in 2018, not one was a full-size sedan (unthinkable, even a decade ago), and just three passenger cars in total. We have now entered the era of light-commercial vehicles and SUVs. The passenger car is, if not dead, then dying.
Interesting context
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-the-history-behind-russias-claim-that-nato-promised-not-to-expand-to-the-east-177085
Are you still trying to say that Hockey said BOO in 2014 and Holden and Ford up and left?
Where did you get the Ford bit from. Oh, it’s a new day, so nils single neuron has reset itself.
Only in Danistan:
“Both his parents insist they never engaged Slater & Gordon, a Labor-aligned law firm, to represent their son after the crash, and the firm has refused to reveal how it came to be involved.”
The victim’s mistake is to believe that the law firm was acting for him!
I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.”
Chuckle … so help my dog … once was enough … will we have to stand in cinemas and sporting grounds and sing God Save the King again? (I used to stay firmly seated as a teenager!)
‘Tis the 21st Century FFS! Not the 12th …
Maybe you’re really a Scot, TB:
I’ll be doing the Glasgow version.
ToM, I think Gorbachev was right:
From a Russian point of view, having the Baltic states join NATO was not nearly as provocative as the US acting to replace a pro-Russian government in Ukraine with a pro-Western government and the threat that posed to Russia’s naval base at Sevastopol.
1. The expansion of NATO occured because non of Russia’s former Warsaw Pact allies wanted to remain in Russia’s sphere of influence. Russia isn’t a benign overlord, it is a coloniser, and a brutal one.
2. The pro Russian government was removed about a decade ago due to a mass,. popular uprising. Viktor Yanukovych had previously committed to seeking membership of the EU. He reneged and sought to join the Russian trade zone. The public didn’t wish to return to being a Russian colony. That is the fundamental reason for his removal, not the involvement of the US
Where did you get the Ford bit from. Oh, it’s a new day, so nils single neuron has reset itself.
OK i made a mistake. Do you still believe that Holden left because Hockey said something in Parliament? Holden Commodore sales went from 80,000/year in 2002 to only 30,000 by 2012. Holden needed to sell 40,000 to break even.
Same thing happened with Ford but worse. Ford Falcon sales went from 70,000/year in 2002 to only 15,000 by 2012. No wonder Ford left.
For some reason you want to suppress the truth as to why we lost our auto industry.
Do you still believe that Holden left because Hockey said something in Parliament?
I’ll just refer you back to the initial link ffs 😦
TomR
Holden left for the same reason Ford announced they were leaving when Gillard was PM in 2012.
Trouble is you come from the side of politics that misleads people.. Ford and Holden left because aussies stopped buying their products and purchased imports.
I’ll just refer you back to the initial link ffs 😦
Welcome to my world – a decade ago!
BTW … Happy Coronation! TR … ehehehe.
And just to evoke some ageism from splats … I sat in a street party in the UK for QE11 wondering WTF is this ? Once in a lifetime experience my arse … how long has this German mob plated the farce as “rulers” … ’tis a massive joke on the overworked and weary peasants … oh, oh, back to the future!
I blame Kneel!
plated – even I had trouble – ah, typo PLAYED! … to the people! Get over the fucking nonsense!
Tom R
If i can trust the author of the article Hockey/Coalition said this
In a seemingly calculated performance – one designed to flush out GM’s intentions and back the car maker into a corner – the Treasurer said it was time for Holden to ”come clean” and be ”fair dinkum” with the Australian people over its future in the country. ”Either you’re here or you’re not,” Mr Hockey said.
Mr Truss chimed in by saying: ”They owe it to the workers of General Motors not to go into the Christmas period without making a clear commitment to manufacturing in this country.”
What is wrong with that? Ford announced they were leaving under Gillard and Hockey wanted to know Holdens plans. Fair enough because they had received million in subsidies with millions more to come.
I cannot see where Hockeys questions would cause Holden to leave.
Fact is you are playing the usual game. Putting up a smokescreen to cover the truth.
I cannot see where Hockeys questions would cause Holden to leave.
That’s because you are not a General Manager of an international automotive company. These people are not idiots
Mr Devereux informed GM headquarters of the events in Australia. The decision was swift. Detroit pulled the pin.
TomR
Labor Journalists have an agenda. One is misleading people. I find this believable
https://www.news.com.au/meet-the-executive-who-shut-holdens-factory-stefan-jacoby/news-story/51ddb0f3d6e977903faedef879896c5f
THE newly appointed head of General Motors international operations, Stefan Jacoby, has admitted it was he who pulled the trigger on Holden’s factory closures – and that no amount of government money was going to save them, even the so-called “blank cheque” offered by the Labor Government in the final days of the last Federal election.
Mr Jacoby also said the highly publicised outburst from Federal Treasurer Joe Hockey during Question Time, calling on Holden to “come clean” with its decision, had no impact on the outcome – because the phone conference to decide Holden’s fate was happening at the same time.
“I proposed the decision and … the final approval came from the board,” Mr Jacoby told Australian media at the Detroit motor show.
Mocking Charles is fun but I’m a monarchist at heart. Our constitutional monarchy has served us well, particularly in letting Whitlam suffer the judgement of the people when his government had devolved into a corrupt racist farce and couldn’t even guarantee supply.
Nevertheless, ToM, Gorbachev was correct.
The Russian invasion and the massive death and destruction inflicted on Ukraine was and continues to be evil. The responsibility for this is entirely Putin’s.
Also, there was a lot NATO might have done to ease the tensions that led to the current forever war, the main beneficiary of which is the military industrial complex.
I see Alan Joyce has announced his departure, in November.
The left hate him because he had the courage to take on the unions and win.
The right don’t approve of him being openly gay.
But he has successfully secured the future of Qanto.
Joyce is one of the world’s most highly regarded airlines CEOs
“The right don’t approve of him being openly gay.”
Ridiculous statement. Probably Tim Wilson’s influence!
Over 100 French police officers hurt with some set ON FIRE in protests
Now that is an insurrection:
But he has successfully secured the future of Qanto.
And its looking pretty grim …
Not so for the Irish Leprechaun … multi millionaire for fucking thousands of lives up (worker, passengers and their families) and ruining an Australian icon … literally daylight robbery …
I’m a monarchist at heart Obviously not a Democrat … enjoy yer pledging …
Yeah RB, he must have ruined that icon
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2023/01/03/ranked-the-20-safest-airlines-in-the-world/?sh=6f303b739f54
Our constitutional monarchy has served us well, particularly in letting Whitlam suffer the judgement of the people when his government had devolved into a corrupt racist farce and couldn’t even guarantee supply.
As for the shite above … look closer to (your political) home … as for “letting Whitlam suffer the judgement of the people” … secret letters back and forth between the palace and government house are now the “voice of the people”?
And Fraser in the background manipulating the truth and his mates … my word even when exposed the history is twisted! And the people voted against Australia’s first real reformer BECAUSE – the Queen kicked Whitlam out … with the Liberal Party’s scheming and connivance … needs a bit of tautology one word ain’t enough!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/may/02/scott-morrisons-reported-links-to-uk-defence-job-shows-lobbying-reforms-needed-integrity-experts-say
Finally.
https://republic.org.au/media/2023/4/26/australians-dont-want-a-king-or-charles
The Head of State of a Democracy, who lives 5oookm away in another country – is bizarre. And medieval …
CORRECTION
The Head of State of a Democracy, who lives 15oookm away in another country – is bizarre. And medieval …
Even 5000km is bizarre …
‘They can survive just fine’: Bernie Sanders says income over $1bn should be taxed at 100%
Onya Bernie!
The Queen saw a constitutional crisis and put the matter back to the Australian people. This is the very definition of democracy. The Australian people, quite rightly, gave Whitlam the boot.
TomR
Why do you think Ford announced they were leaving when Gillard was PM in 2012?
Do you think it had something to do with Ford Falcon sales went from 70,000/year in 2002 to only 15,000/year by 2012?
The Queen … gave Whitlam the boot. !!
QEII was the Head of the Church of England, from a family from Germany, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
And forced an election! In a “”Royalist”” nation- at that time. That’s political meddling … not democracy. A monarchy is no different to a dictatorship.
How many Australians can give the GG the boot?
But then, you are a, Trump, devotee – limited understanding of actual democracy …
If you think that King Charles II won’t dabble, more than his mum, you are delude … something about the name.
Apart from all the above … Chuck … really is a mean, nasty, spoilt brat.
Enjoy your pledge … 😎
The GG put in a care-taker – that back-stabbing mongrel Fraser – pending the election. At the election Whitless suffered the judgement of the masses. The people worked out what was going on and decided that they did not want any more ALP incompetence. So they gave that odious egomaniac, Blessed St Gogh, the arse.
( “The people worked out what was going on and decided”….
….after being lined up, and literally put on the spot, to spontaneously, and to enthusiastically, enounce in unison: “I honour my God; I serve my Queen; I salute my flag”; followed by a stirring rendition of ‘God Save The Queen’; and, of ‘The British Grenadiers’, as they dispersed; or, did they? )
In Victoria there is lots of controversy about “drag queens” reading stories to children in public libraries.
It’s probably controversial in other states too
I’m genuinely interested…
Maybe someone can explain why we are attempting to encourage society to be less judgemental about “beauty” and the natural shape of women’s bodies. Women should be encouraged to have a positive body image, avoid surgical enhancement and shun heavy makeup.
…but we are seeking to embrace males who do all that?
Re – “why we attempting to encourage society to be less judgmental …”
And who might be the “we” referred to above? The Few (such as the powerful – those born with gold in their hearts) or the Many (those born with lead in their hearts) to use an analogy from Plato.
Don’t think the average person cares and only really notices when it’s brought to their attention by those who have the power to do just that.
Absolutely no doubt, however, that the American Empire pursues “hegemonic” influence and control and one their pet mantras is “Freedom”.
You – become ‘free’ – when you do as we do; believe what we believe; become just like us (Land of the Free) and all will be great.
(But don’t pull that apart too seriously. After all it’s in the category of a religious belief.)
I’m genuinely interested……but we are seeking to embrace males who do all that?
Coupla questions here, ToM, are you “genuinely interested”? That perspective doesn’t quite fit your online persona … and do you mean, “we are seeking”, or … are we seeking to embrace males who do all that?
Or do I detect a touch of a tease … BTW I do embrace males – of all persuasion if I am good friends and they embrace me.
MN
… “the American Christian Empire”
And … “Land of the White Christian Free”
Christianity in the USofA is not far removed from Islam … (for obvious reasons I suppose) …
ivi … my take too – just like the sneaky question by the Lying Rodent, in the Republic Referendum
I’m genuinely interested in dichotomy between our (understandable) encouragement for women to be positive about their natural beauty, the size of their breasts, their shape, the length of their eyelashes….
But we seem reluctant to say to men- be positive about your natural man shape and body.
Instead we’re telling some to be positive about their heavy makeup and their artificial breasts.
I don’t quite understand the message
( “I’m genuinely interested in dichotomy between our (understandable)….I don’t quite understand the message”
Dichotomy(ies)? )
Re ;_ ” positive about their natural beauty, the size of their breasts, their shape, the length of their eyelashes…”
What’s the ‘natural size of breasts’? And whose ‘opinion’ ought to prevail? The fashionistas? The owners of same? Men? Women? etc?
Our history is an example of NOT accepting what is ‘natural’? That applies to ‘health’ for example.. Not ‘natural’ to have the ‘lifespan’ we have etc.
Another Rat dives off the good ship, Liberalflop!
MN
Our history is an example of NOT accepting what is ‘natural’? That applies to ‘health’ for example.. Not ‘natural’ to have the ‘lifespan’ we have etc.
Way too “deep” for our, ToM …
My breasts are very comfortable BTW … 🥨
This probably needs more discussion than the size of bums and tits!
But typical, ToMMy, play silly buggers to avoid some real issues …
Next we’ll be justifying the value of the monarchy compared to the Vatican upkeep (although that too never seems to be a problem, or short of peasant funding)
Anybody watching the Coronation?
Is this an issue?
Said on many occasions, the American Empire has been sold to the highest bidder. No chance of ‘peace’ while this continues.
TB – very difficult to understand (for some) what is “natural” and what is “constructed”. That’s why Plato used the analogy of The Cave (and why some find it so difficult to see beyond the “shadows”.
“Instead we’re telling some to be positive about their heavy makeup and their artificial breasts.”
Oh FFS.
You do realise drag queens are just having a bit of laff… *
*I guess not.
But why the obsession with performing in front of children?
Did you know that the The Proud Boys are on a recruitment drive?
‘The next frontier for the Proud Boys is patroling anti-LGBTQ drag queen brunches and story hour protests.’
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/05/proud-boys-lgbtq-trial-sedition/?utm_source=mj-newsletters&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily-newsletter-05-05-2023
Perhaps it’s a sly dig at the recent ‘enthronement’ of Charles the Turd (Irish translation)? More men in frocks (on the streets and the TV) than usual.
Not in the best democratic tradition.
With the greatest of respect, the objectives seem to be a little more than “fun” for drag queens.
“The program strives to “capture the imagination and play of gender fluidity of childhood and gives kids glamorous, positive, and unabashedly queer role models”
Glamorous roles models? Does that mean heavy make up, false eyelashes and artificial breasts?
I don’t care whether males have artificial breasts, but it is regarded as progressive
On the other hand it is shunned for women
Why isn’t the message more along the lines of- “all shapes and sizes are sensational, you don’t need artificial enhancement”
“Obsession..?”
Are you saying that only certain “types” of people should be able to read books t0 children…?
Unless the reader has been convicted of a crime that involves kids I fail to see what the problem is.
Furthermore you do realise that men dressing up as female characters to read books to children has been a tradition in the UK for generations…??
“Does that mean heavy make up, false eyelashes and artificial breasts?”
You do realise it’s not compulsory YoM…?
If it’s not something you’re into, you don’t have to go.
It’s not that difficult a concept to understand… 🙄
I realise that, and I’m not in the target audience of 3 to 11 years. So I’ll probably not bother.
Isn’t a more positive message for pre school children, something like- nature is sensational, and it’s so diverse! You don’t need artificial enhancement
… you do realise that men dressing up as female characters to read books to children has been a tradition in the UK for generations…??
Oh, yeah, at pantomime season in the village it was hard to tell your uncle from aunty as they constantly role changed … as for Dame Edna … well possums …
( “You don’t need artificial enhancement”
Excellent; in our newfound zeal for all/select things natur(al)ism, contra behavioural modernity ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_modernity ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_ornamentation ), can we also abandon symbolic (sub)culture, and just be done with the readin’, and, erm, the writin’; or is that not exactly what an otherwise un(-self-and-other-)aware, naked, neotenous ape playing with/in its own poop had in mind? )
The real question is why there is a sudden massive world-wide push to foist drag queens on kids?
Same goes with the push to transify kids.
It
queersfucks up society. And it suits the pedos who love getting children into sex asap.( “The real question is….”
Is it, though?
You write as if you don’t know that ‘society’ consists of all sorts, and always has; that you don’t have any actual experience of the extended human family: the extra aunts and uncles, and, indeed, nephews and nieces, and etcetera, that are also of the village which raises the child, just as they, too, were once children raised in that village.
In short, it seems you missed out.
And maybe that’s a good enough reason, in and of itself, for some persons of goodwill to offer additional opportunities for broader participations and inclusions in everyday social activities to (deprived cisgender, heteronormative, and etcetera (sub))communities (if not necessarily to those festering some really, really quite fucked- up and seriously antisocial projections, at best, and (re)actions, at worst, about (not) their fellow human beings)? )
Someone might explain why having a bloke with artificial breasts, make up applied with a trowel, a blonde wig and false eyelashes is a positive role model for 3 year olds.
But not women similarly “enhanced”
( Someone also might explain the fundamental(s) of the ‘body(ies) positivity’ movement to the logician supreme still trying to apply their own peculiar sense of aesthetic(s) to others’ bodies and/or misconstruing ‘positive role model’; because, concisely, kids don’t really mind what others – comfortable in their own bodies, however they happen to be, while not feeling limited by social perceptions about those bodies while doing things that they want do – look like until someone ever-so-naturally provides them with a ‘negative’ stereotype, of one kind or another. Bueller? )
I see
So a positive body image means blokes dressing up like on duty strippers to read stories to 3 year olds
So a positive body image means … You’re the one calling it a “positive” image … ’tis just person dressed – up, to kids … kids do it all the time …
Are you concerned, perhaps, about your own body image?
I confess to attending a cross dress party … I was flattered to find out I have, “gorgeous legs in fishnets …”, quite exhilarating … I just didn’t like the look of his mustache! 🥰 😍
“On duty strippers”
This is as about as far removed from “sexualisation” as you could possibly get, but YoM if this has you reaching for a box of tissues who am I to protest.
Or maybe you’d prefer this…
https://www.afr.com/rear-window/how-low-will-alan-joyce-go-20230508-p5d6sd?&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn:twi-14omn0055-optim-nnn:nonpaid-27/06/2014-social_traffic-all-organicpost-nnn-afr-o&campaign_code=nocode&promote_channel=social_twitter
Ok, sometimes they dress as off duty strippers
(While we’re, apparently, still busy drag-queen-(body-(decoration-)shaming as our naturally well-considered (inter-)relational) contribution(s) to a(n all-inclusive) body positivity movement and/or celebrating the Coronation, here’s a bit of random right-royal trivia: https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Most-Noble-Order-of-the-Garter .)
“really quite fucked- up and seriously antisocial projections”
Like child mutilation based on an anti-scientific view of gender:
If drag queens are so innocent why are they so afraid of laws protecting children from indecency?
Yes, You’re Right, splatterbum …
Anyone surprised?
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/navy-s-troubled-frigate-project-suffers-further-cost-blowout-20230510-p5d7a4.html?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=gnews&utm_campaign=CDAQ-J2Vy4q29468ARiZ5sfrxtOap48BKhAIACoHCAowxqmICzDg_IYD&utm_content=rundown&gaa_at=g&gaa_n=AXv4zM1Bk9r1uF392mEO6XVsXLZiGcCP6az_Hi7NN_DKcH4PDQkk9jUrX7O7rMDUnoVgLt7Pqqq9KX0K7OtkMPzjfXLkAqIT38Sw5g%3D%3D&gaa_ts=645b738b&gaa_sig=HYIotZprKi9LZstzuuWL2FfB4Krs7rL4VHGSzYaUNSF012bZCHnk4l2K96fpPzdlIRF8Y-SexCsxR3-gNxgczA%3D%3D
And it’s just the beginning.
The nuclear age (for Australia) hasn’t yet begun.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/may/11/state-governments-forced-to-indemnify-church-bodies-for-child-abuse-due-to-insurance-market-failure
So just how far does this funding for religious hypocrites go!
“Yes, You’re Right, splatterbum …”
I know! 🙂
Yes, you is …
If anyone wants a laugh watch this video of two Kangaroos fighting
Looks like the Youtube clip is blocked. Hope this works. If not i give up
“”””https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyojp-C_3jc”””””””
RE:
“Anyone with a fondness for air travel, workers’ rights or their luggage should be happy to see this guy go. He’s been an unashamed union-buster, ruthlessly attacking the pay and conditions of his workers, sacking, outsourcing, offshoring and casualising jobs all over the joint (sometimes unlawfully), and even threatening to bring in scab workers during industrial disputes.”
To whom does this refer?
Or is this an example of a “way of life” that we will go to war for?
How very unAustralian.
If not i give up
Please!
How very unAustralian.
Droll, MN … but maybe too subtle for those of the Make USofA Grat Again cult.
TB
You should have a look. Just copy and paste the link. It is two kangaroos fighting. The funny bit is at the end.
TB – actually I am an admirer of the USA (and therefore one of its greatest critics). Or at least admire some aspects of the greatest Empire that’s ever existed.. But I am NOT a ‘barracker’.
The USA was home to John Dewey – one of the greatest educational philosophers of all time. He, along with Plato, set the parameters of the educational debate and it continues.
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As I’ve said, the left hate Joyce for having the courage to successfully take on a couple of unions. But international airline rankings tell a different story. https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-google&source=android-browser&q=international+airline+rankings
TB – actually I am an admirer of the USA
I’m not, I’ve worked there. And a little known fray called, The American War, in Vietnam, had a personal cost … just another Christian Crusade …
We all have our philosophers (or experiences) to bear … 😉
But international airline rankings tell a different story.
WGAF about international rankings … as an ex-Platinum Member I’m glad I switched.
Try the real world “rankings” …
https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/qantas
Its the “enablers” who make it easy for the Alan Joyces and the Donald Trumps to survive … stop giving rich wankers air to continue!
And politicians …
TB – never been to the USA even though I had countless opportunities. Never felt the need to go there because American Culture is everywhere. And in many ways it’s suffocating.
Much preferred ‘places’ and ‘cultures’ anew where I couldn’t speak the language and didn’t understand the ‘common sense’. Out of the ‘comfort zone’.
Safest airline in the world ✓
Top 5 airline overall in the world ✓
Employs thousands of Australians ✓
The biggest employer of apprentices ✓
… Qantas is a genuine Australian success story
Re: “Qantas is a genuine Australian success story”
Correction: “Qantas WAS a genuine Australian success story”.
Now an unabashed leech on the public purse. Have no shame. Just sayin …
It’s stupid that some would have Australia’s airline industry go the way of the motor vehicle manufacturing industry
Qantas is probably Australia’s largest employer of technical skills.
American Culture is everywhere … let’s just say it’s growing like a cancer … particularly the scramble for profit via greed and distortion.
As for ‘places’ and ‘cultures’ anew where I couldn’t speak the language
I’ve lived in three countries and travelled to 30+, on every continent except Antarctica … what fascinates me is the similarities in the needs of people everywhere … a safe home, the means to earn a living, health, children educated and with a future and generally a peaceful existence in the society they are part of … and that always seems to be buggered up by a handful of power mad despots driven by religion, control, fear, greed, corporate monoliths and enablers …
I can assure you, Australia is not yet like the USofA but its getting there … quickly … hence my saying, welcome to the 51st State.
So – “A Chinese naval flotilla led by a powerful destroyer has been on a 12-day circumnavigation of Japan’s main islands in a display of military power as tensions simmer over Taiwan”
Isn’t that to be expected? After all, the Chinese are just exercising “freedom of navigation”. The same rationale that the American Empire employs when it and its vassals (including Australia) sails between Taiwan and the Chinese mainland (a recognised one, single Nation).
Perhaps we might get to see a Chinese fleet sail across Bass Strait?
And who started all this?
https://www.9news.com.au/world/chinese-warships-sail-around-japan-as-tensions-rise-ahead-of-g7-summit/7d2b59b8-2efe-4692-9580-4b8032c5db10
No doubt followers of geo-politics noted the current Leader of the KMT (Kuomintang), the main opposition party, expressed a desire to be eventually reunited with the mainland.
And the KMT is favorite to be re-elected in the next term.
Will the American Empire allow that?
Looks like nobody has watched my Kangaroo fighting link. I want to post it again just for practise. I think this may be easier to cut and paste. I hope this works. I think it is really funny. I want to see if it works with a space between the commas
“”” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyojp-C_3jc “””
MN, current Leader of the KMT (Kuomintang), the main opposition party, expressed a desire to be eventually reunited with the mainland.
Do you have a link to that?
I know there has been a lot of faction disputes in the KMT over the years but not to that extent.
Isn’t the KMT the Nationalist Party? Bitter enemies of the Communist Party?
++++++++++++++
And yep, no good thinking the, “The West”, doesn’t flap its wings and squawk any less than the Communists … (I now include Russia – again – in that cartel)
Speaking of Communist countries, Vietnam, for all its third world status is very pleasant to visit. As is Laos …
TB – my source on these matters is (or probably was) THE DIPLOMAT.
https://thediplomat.com/2023/01/why-taiwans-main-opposition-party-cant-shake-its-pro-china-stance/
I think the “key word” is “eventually”. Happened with Hong Kong and now that Territory seems happily settled as part of the mainland (with lots of articles to that effect.)
Chinese people in Australia, for example, are very proud of their heritage/ethnicity which persists for some generations as the Liberals found with Aston.
https://johnmenadue.com/chinese-australians-political-awakening-was-a-big-factor-in-labors-win-in-aston/
And aa any visitor to China will attest the “Century of Humiliation” is at the forefront of many minds, particularly in the developed areas,
Thanks MN – I’ll follow that up … interesting
This is a good article.
“As far as Sino-US relations are concerned, although China has no intention to compete with the US for global hegemony, the US firmly believes that China is deliberately trying to “usurp” it. Therefore, the US regards China as a “heinous”, “implacable” and “incorrigible” foe. In the view of American adviser Kori Schake, “a peaceful transition from American to Chinese hegemony is highly unlikely. ”
https://www.chinadailyhk.com/article/328548
Will Australians be the (forefront) meat in the sandwich between China and the USA?
Unfortunately, we seems to be chaffing at the bit. The Ukraine of the South.
So Don’s looking after our security –
“Australia has pushed back firmly on China’s calls for greater foreign investment access, with Trade Minister Don Farrell defending blocking purchases on national security grounds”.
Yes we can’t have technology companies like Huawei et al too involved in Australia when it comes to ‘security’. Spying ‘chips’ etc. On the other hand he’s:
” moving quickly to resolve biosecurity bottlenecks delaying electric vehicle imports by Chinese firms.”
Perhaps he doesn’t realise that electric vehicles contain something like 5 000 ‘chips’. Each could be tuned to spy across the country. Hid! Hide! Hide!
Or maybe it’s because Chinese carmaker MG is now the main sponsor for Albo’s Rabbits RL Team?
When will Australia stop doing America’s bidding and have them (USA) compete in an open market rather than a ‘contained’ market? Open markets enabled America to become ‘great’, so why are they changing the rules?
Or maybe it’s because Chinese carmaker MG is now the main sponsor for Albo’s Rabbits RL Team?
Yep, been warning here … and elsewhere about the silent Chinese invasion …
I recently got caught – buying a Hyundai Power Station – found the tiny print after it failed dismally and found a a PCB crudely “repaired” by hand and a circuit deliberately cut by a knife, only when we stripped the unit down (it was 12 months out of warranty) 3 months later I’m finally waiting for a new, free, PCB after having to explain the two breaches of the ACL twice. Won’t hold my breath.
Chinese vehicles sold in Australia include Volvo, Tesla, VW see below …
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/the-chinese-cars-you-didnt-know-were-chinese-86952
I think this narrative of “end the US hegemony” is wilfully ignorant about the options.
If the EU was an international power, I’d be entirely happy with it providing the balance. But it isn’t.
At present, the only option is greater influence of autocratic regimes, and I can’t see any reason that expansion of their spheres of influence is in Australia’s interests.
In my opinion, only myopic hard left types and pro Trump weirdos seek a rebalancing of international relations towards the Putin and CCP regimes
Care to define “autocratic regimes”?
(And please don’t say those that aren’t “democratic” – without providing some “necessary” conditions needed to qualify for each label?)
New (relatively) journal = The Cradle = which has interesting perspectives on the Middle East.
“The collective west appears to lack a decisive leader, with the Hegemon currently being “led” by a senile president who is remote-controlled by a pack of polished-faced warmongers.
The situation has devolved to the point where the much-hyped “Ukrainian counter-offensive” may actually be the prelude to a NATO humiliation that will make Afghanistan look like Disneyland in the Hindu Kush.” (Pepe Escobar).
Further, the crucial US tactical victory has already been conclusive:
“Russia sanctioned, demonized and separated from Europe, and the EU cemented as a de-industrialized, inconsequential lowly vassal.
… Erdogan badly needs Russian military and energy cooperation. There are no illusions in Moscow about “the Sultan,” or about where Turkiye is leading. If Ankara’s geopolitical turn is hostile, it’s the Turks that will end up losing prime seats in the Eurasian high-speed train – from BRICS+ to the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) and all spaces in between.
https://thecradle.co/article-view/24623/bold-gambits-on-the-west-asian-chessboard
Counties shaded green are welcome to expand their influence and compete for an increased sphere of influence
https://thegeopolitics.com/democracy-index-2023-understanding-the-global-scenarios/
ToM
“Counties”? “welcome”? …
Did you actually read the article (not skim it) … or just look at the coloured pictures?
From the article …
This bit reflects the past ten years of LNP “governance” in Australia …
The point I’m making TB, is that you and MN constantly whine about US hegemony, without seeming to comprehend the outcome of the US vacating the field.
The significant beneficiaries of this are the autocratic regimes of Putin and the CCP
Does there have to be a ‘hegemon’? In a ‘unipolar’ world?
For my part, I would like to see a multipolar world. Where power (in as many dimensions as possible) is shared. Where competition is the norm.
Hello Adam Smith.
The whole idea of an American Advance – resulting from the ‘containment’ of other nations – is abhorrent. And eventually counter-productive. Look what happened to China and Japan, for example, when they closed their doors.
Closed, non-competitive Nations invariably fall behind.
(Had a long post but it disappeared.)
While ToM’s link is useful and ought to be read, it proceeds on the assumption that ‘democracy’ (a means to an end) is THE end in itself. (Might not be for me..)
You’re being disingenuous MN, all you ever post is anti US/western democracy bullsh*t
I’ve said on many occasions – “I’d prefer that we didn’t have superpowers, but since we have them, I’m glad one is a (flawed) western democracy.”
The only countries that will step into a US (vacate the field) vacuum, are China and Russia.
Your basic (FITH) position is to promote the expansion of regimes that are the antithesis of the system Australia enjoys with other democratic nations.
ToM, I’ve always been entertained by your discussion techniques to get people to agree with you … a classic example …
TB, is that you and MN constantly whine about US hegemony
Awwwww, ToM!
What we both point out, in different ways, is the parallel need for extreme nationalism by either – the religious, stars and stripes, god and country democracy (debatable) mob, or the autocratic red and yellow wannabe atheists strangely believe that the island close to their mainland are part of their nation … its a good job that Canada doesn’t think that about the 50th State … or Tasmania wants to leave the Commonwealth.
The only countries that will step into a US (vacate the field) vacuum, are China and Russia.
India? Turkey? Saudi Arabia?
Remember tiny Japan took on Russia and won, and later, overran China. And let’s not forget the British Empire – a couple of tiny islands ruled half the world!
History certainly rhymes …
You’re so sure all the time … ToM … like any autocratic monarchist … 😎
What a wonderful democracy the USofA is …. so much better than those nasty Communist countries … who’d want to live there (or introduce their crap in Australia? Oh, wait!)
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/16/florida-ron-desantis-bigotry-doctors-gay-people
The significant beneficiaries of this are the autocratic regimes of Putin and the CCP
Yes it is easy to criticize the US. I did when i worked in the USA and was surprised i was not assaulted. But ALP supporters like countries like Russia and China
“I did when i worked in the USA and was surprised i was not assaulted.”
Please explain..
Chinese vehicles sold in Australia include Volvo, Tesla, VW see below …
TB why don’t you blame auto management in Australia for the death of our car industry?
Holden Commodores went from 80,000 sales/year in 2002 to only 30,000 by 2012. Holden needed to sell 40,000 to break even.
Ford Falco9n sales went from 70,000 sales/year in 2002 to only 15,000 by 2012.
People wanted SUVs but Ford and Holden were making Sedans. So people purchased imports.
Reb
I told the Americans i would have been a Loyalist during the Revolutionary War against Britain.
From the link:
” because interacting with gay people goes against their personal beliefs.”
And how does one determine that?. According to the link:
“look a potential .. up and down .. ”
Dear oh dear. Perhaps it’s a (subjective) “principle” that can be universalised? So therefore – “Please Mr Policeman – I’m not going to interact with you because you look … whatever.”
Suspect it will be overturned by the Court when (and if it gets that far) in X years time. But with the current makeup of the Court who knows.
Until then there’s a presidential nomination to be won.
So Joe’s not coming to Australia.
“President Joe Biden’s trip to Australia next week will not go ahead.”
And why should it. After all the American Empire has already scammed us for $360 billion for some promised second-hand subs so there’s probably not a lot left in the kitty.
Needless to say the Australian PM gets a State visit as a reward. Bit like a Koala Stamp for doing his homework.
Could this be true? Carr being less than helpful?
“The former NSW premier says the US President’s age will prevent him from attending international forums and leave the country in the ‘unsteady hand’ of Kamala Harris.”
If Trump gets to the top again, Carr might get a State visit as well.
Youse all get one guess! Who?
‘Tis a religion now … 👿 … apparently.
“‘Tis a religion now …”
Indeed. The world is full of stupid – Gaia worship being a fine example. The Climate Cult has all the trappings – and if you are rich enough you can pay indulgences in the form of carbon credits and shit on the rest of the world from the comfort of your private jet. St Greta please deliver us from evil!
TB
Holden Commodore sales went from 80,000 sales /year in 2002 to only 30,000 by 2012. Holden need to sell 40,000 to break even.
Ford Falcon went from 70,000 sales/year in 2002 to only 15,000 by 2012.
Do you think it is possible that Management got it wrong by not making cars aussies wanted to drive?
Kneel, you have been writing BS for so long I’ve almost become immune to your crap.
I had a taste of your nasty side five years ago … some things I never forget …
Neil of Sydney permalink
June 3, 2017 1:21 pm
50 Admin Appeals Tribunal contracts will not be renewed thanks to Dopey Dutton claiming their legal decisions on refugees are “ideologically” driven
I noticed you have not responded.These people went back to Iran for a holiday or to get married. They came here because their lives were in danger or so they say.
Personally TB i wish you would just rollover and die.
TB
What has your comment got to do with my question?
Do you think it is possible that Management got it wrong by not making cars aussies wanted to drive?
I don’t write BS, you do Yes over the years i have regretted things i have said. But i still agree with the tone of my comment which i cannot remember from 2017.
Nasty? It was said in anger because you do not believe in borders and locked up 50,000 boat people from 2007-2013. Of those 8,469 were children.
LABOR wants one world govt ruled by the UN and does not believe in borders.
The new reality:
“Australia has done well out of US primacy. It has underpinned our security and the security of our region since World War II. It created the strategic breathing space which enabled the Asian growth story including the spectacular economic growth of China.”
But the times, they are a’changing.
“The largest risk is that the US will come to believe that preserving its primacy requires it to thwart China’s rise, rather than manage China’s rise.”
Thwarting China only plays to China’s visceral resentment of what it sees as a century of humiliation. It will exacerbate tensions when the US and China need to find ways of better managing tensions.”
If Australia doesn’t grow up it will render impossible the construction of guard rails for the relationship. A US-China relationship which moves in this direction is a recipe for geostrategic instability.
Where to from here? Bury our heads in the sand?
Can America still govern itself? Some the locals think not:
“What can you say about a week in American politics when the major breakthrough was that the two parties agreed to stop talking about talking, in order to actually start talking? In Washington, where, for months, President Biden and congressional Republicans have been hurtling toward a confrontation over the G.O.P.’s refusal to raise the debt ceiling without major concessions from Democrats on federal spending, the beginning of formal negotiations aimed at averting a disastrous government default counted as big news.
For the rest of the world, it was merely a sign of the capital’s extreme dysfunction, and a reminder that America’s messed-up politics constitutes a geopolitical crisis as well as a domestic one.”
While it’s not new, it’s farcical.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-bidens-washington/debt-limit-terror-is-no-way-to-run-a-superpower
“In Australia, Biden’s decision was seen as a significant political embarrassment for the Prime Minister, …
The change in Biden’s plans did not go over well. Papua New Guinea had scheduled a national holiday for this coming Monday to celebrate the first time a sitting American President would visit the suddenly strategic island nation. Oops. Party cancelled. ”
But they are only vassals. Perhaps we could send some beads, mirrors and the lik.
I had a taste of your nasty side five years ago
TB
I get angry/nasty when people like you say things that are not true. If you say something that is false, what should i do?
BTW. Locally made cars went from 25% of the market in 2006 to only 10% by 2013. Do you think it is possible MANAGEMENT made cars nobody wanted??
Let’s all thank Dan for the highest state debt in the country and the new taxes!
Not fully appreciated:
“In the year 2000, the U.S. government debt was $3.5 trillion, equal to 35% of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP). By 2022, the debt was $24 trillion, equal to 95% of GDP. … Military-Industrial Complex long ago adopted a winning political strategy by ensuring that the military budget reaches into every Congressional district.
… America’s annual military spending is now around $900 billion, roughly 40% of the world’s total, and greater than the next 10 countries combined.
Yet instead of peace through diplomacy, and fiscal responsibility, the MIC regularly scares the American people with a comic-book style depictions of villains whom the U.S. must stop at all costs … The post-2000 list has included Afghanistan’s Taliban, Iraq’s Saddam Hussein, Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, Libya’s Moammar Qaddafi, Russia’s Vladimir Putin, and recently, China’s Xi Jinping. ”
The really sad part is that this list of (supposed) villains resonates in Australia as well. That’s why we we contribute so much treasure to the American Empire. Vassals one and all.
https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/military-spending-debt-crisis
And yet Russia devotes a greater proportion of its economy to the military, and uses it to colonise its neighbours
RIP Tina Turner!
… America’s annual military spending is now around $900 billion, roughly 40% of the world’s total, and greater than the next 10 countries combined.
So why does Australia need to spend billions on a couple of submarines? Isn’t the USofA our “best” ally? (Rhetorical question)
Re: “why does Australia need to spend billions on a couple of submarines?”
Because Australia has become a Vassal and one of the roles of Vassals is to pay tribute. (In this case $360 billion (plus).
Australia could have ten conventional submarines for a much lower price and they would be much more suited to defending our ‘interests’.
But the MIC is a hungry beast and it won’t eat grass.
Hence – pay up, pay up and play the game.
Note that the USA and its allies are sending F-16s (first built in 1975) to Ukraine. By any measure they are ‘old’ stock.
This way, the MIC creates new markets for their latest toys. (Too easy.)
They join a long list of ‘magic’ weapons that have failed to make the big difference. Ukraine is destroyed.
Only China (and the Pope) seem to want an end to this war,
So we will:-
“… pay up to 24 per cent more for their electricity …”
And this is announced as an achievement.
Fact is, it’s Australia’s energy that’s being used – here- and elsewhere at enormous profits. And it happens because of IDEOLOGY. A belief that public ownership must be inefficient and therefore assets must be sold off to the private sector (usually foreign owned).
We did it with GAS now we are doing it to LITHIUM et al.
Look at what Norway did.
Yet there’s not a political party in Australia that’s prepared to rethink.
Who’s winning in the ‘soft power’ stakes?
MN, are you aware that the Russian economy has contracted by about 25% in the past decade? There is a limited opportunity for recovery when 54% of the world’s GDP is trying to make the Russian economy fail.
Someone might explain how that represents a win in the economic war
An interesting study. Sounds like Tom R to me:
Isn’t it time that someone told, The Robber Barons, that capitalism/democracy is supposed to lift people out of poverty – not create poverty and misery for millions of people?
I still prefer to live in a society, rather than survive in an economy!
We need a better system … the present failure is broke …
RE: – “lift people out of poverty ”
For that to happen, one has to want that to happen.
” China has shown significant improvement in reducing poverty after four decades of the journey.
China has lifted 770 million of its citizens out of poverty.
“China’s progress is unprecedented. Thus, a joint report between China’s government, the World Bank, and the China Center for International Knowledge on Development was released. Titled “Four Decades of Poverty Reduction in China: Drivers,
Insights for the World, and the Way Ahead”, it studied the phenomenon to examine the key factors, insights, and lessons learned.”
Not my research – so here’s the link.
https://greennetwork.asia/news/chinas-four-decades-of-journey-lifting-770-million-people-out-of-poverty/#:~:text=After%20four%20decades%20of%20policy,its%20citizens%20out%20of%20poverty.
I’m sure you’re aware that the poverty line in China is $1.90 a day
Not my research – so here’s the link.
I’m more concerned for my own country and ITS people …
I’m sure you’re aware that the poverty line in China is $1.90 a day
See above …
In Australia we generally use 50% of the median income as the poverty line.
It is therefore a fact that as the median income rises , so too will the poverty line, with more people falling below it.
Ours is currently about $500 a week for a single person.
In China the poverty line is $1.90 (US) a day.
The median income is about $16,000 (US) a year. If they used the Australian definition, the poverty line would be about $8000 a year.
They use a definition that pays less than a tenth of that.
It would be like Australia using a poverty line of about $50 a week.
It would be like Australia using a poverty line of about $50 a week.
BTW don’t mix weekly, daily, yearly, median figures randomly … makes a nonsense of your argument.
It’s factual arithmetic
Even you’re probably capable of seeing that getting people to $1.90 a day isn’t such a remarkable achievement
That, in the not too distant past, more than half the population of China (some 770 million people – approximately 20 times the Australian population) earned such miserly sums ($1.90 a day).
Yet now they are part of a Nation that will likely lead the world, economically speaking. That achievement is by any measure unprecedented and somewhat remarkable.
Those that think otherwise reveal a bias of sorts. Perhaps a deep-seated, unconscious one? Australian are racist and Chinese have been a particular historical target.
Of more recent times Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has been returned as President of Turkey. That too is quite significant and remarkable.
In the early 1990s, a US presidential election (Clinton versus Bush) was characterised by the ‘slogan’ – “It’s the economy stupid”. Since that time, it’s become a bit of a truism. Disregard the economy at your peril when an election is underway.
Yet while Erdogan has presided over an economic disaster, he’s been re-elected. Further, even though Turkey’s a member of NATO, the West did not endorse his campaign. Indeed they did much to cause his downfall. But to no avail.
And now it’s all over, parts of the Australian (and American) MSM speak pejoratively of Turkyie in terms of ‘autocracy’. That (live in hope) ‘democracy’ will one day be restored. That the election was rigged. (As an aside, one doesn’t ‘rig’ a election only to win by such a narrow margin (51.8% to 48.2%).
Erdogan and Putin (you know the one who eats babies for breakfast) are not friends but importantly they are not enemies. Erdogan is a pragmatist. He knows the geo-political winds are changing, and more importantly, so does the Middle East (generally speaking). Look at Syria rejoining the Arab League. Who would have thought?
Nevertheless Erdogan is in for a rough ride.
https://thecradle.co/article-view/24454/arab-league-chief-says-syria-on-cusp-of-rejoining-organization
It’s factual arithmetic
Who’s? Yours? Arithmetic? It might be to you but it ain’t mathematics!
Did you evn read the first two lines of my comment?
You: “It would be like Australia using a poverty line of about $50 a week.”
Me: The base rate of jobseeker is $693.10 a fortnight for a single person with no children, or $49.50 a day;
The “cost of living” has an impact on the “poverty line’ … suggestion North Korea!
Australian are racist and Chinese have been a particular historical target.
Ahh! But not all Australian racist … but many China are … why you bother here?
This rich twit is a fkn pain …
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/09/zelenskiy-aide-takes-aim-at-curbs-on-ukraine-use-of-starlink-to-pilot-drones-elon-musk
ESCALATION >>> World War II is rhyming …
This is not a terrorist attack but retaliation … the Russian government
As for Erdogan’s “win” he has already destroyed the economy … he now sets about destroying a country! All because of religion! The cause of so much death, destruction, blood and treasure … god may be great … but the religious believers are insane!
What is remarkable is that Erdogan was able to get only 52% of the vote against a traditionally divided opposition, with the benefit of incumbency and a tame media.
Been said for years that multinational tax advisers are always a few steps ahead of the ATO – now we know why.
“PwC is under fire for using confidential Treasury information on tax laws to benefit its client base … officials insisted it did not have full knowledge of what the concerns were, because of the secrecy provisions which apply to how the ATO carries out its investigations.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-30/treasury-referred-pwc-to-police-after-emails-exposed-by-senate/102409208
Handing the investigation over to police is not the way to go, this matter is the perfect issue with which to launch the new Federal ICAC.
A belief that public ownership must be inefficient and therefore assets must be sold off to the private sector (usually foreign owned).
We did it with GAS
News to me that gas production was government owned. When did this happen??
BTW Howard/Costello were more amazing than i thought. After taking debt to ZERO by 2003 they saved an extra $80B and started the Future Fund.
Did you know that Rudd/Swan raided the Future Fund during the GFC? So what is the point of a wealth fund? lLABOR would just raid it like Rudd/Swan raided the Future Fund during the GFC.
“When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”
This is getting plenty of airplay… Hilarious and so contemporary
MN
You said we privatized our gas industry. When did this happen???
A belief that public ownership must be inefficient and therefore assets must be sold off to the private sector (usually foreign owned).
We did it with GAS now we are doing it to LITHIUM et al.
Oh, dear …