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Marginalise the zealots!…again…
Ahhhh….fresh thread.
yeah, fresh thread, same bullshit.
A 2nd `Rubber-Room` has been added to the establishment. Wonderful.
‘same bullshit.’
Hmmm….
For reb’s sake, the models have failed, global warming is unreal.
Here’s another graph which illustrates clearly that CO2 doesn’t cause warming. Admittedly its not the whole world, but its still a reasonable guide to what has been happening in the European theatre.
You will notice that temperatures during the Renaissance were similar to the warming late last century. The other thing is the two degree temperature rise from 1695 to 1730 wasn’t caused by CO2. Just sayin…
‘Of all of the world’s chemical compounds, none has a worse reputation than carbon dioxide. Thanks to the single-minded demonization of this natural and essential atmospheric gas by advocates of government control of energy production, the conventional wisdom about carbon dioxide is that it is a dangerous pollutant. That’s simply not the case. Contrary to what some would have us believe, increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will benefit the increasing population on the planet by increasing agricultural productivity.
‘The cessation of observed global warming for the past decade or so has shown how exaggerated NASA’s and most other computer predictions of human-caused warming have been—and how little correlation warming has with concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide. As many scientists have pointed out, variations in global temperature correlate much better with solar activity and with complicated cycles of the oceans and atmosphere. There isn’t the slightest evidence that more carbon dioxide has caused more extreme weather.’
Harrison, Schmitt and Happer in the Wall Street Journal
A seriously good read if you are interested in politics.
http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/some-thoughts-about-policy-for-the-aftermath-of-the-climate-wars/
Now that the climate wars are coming to a close we could discuss the real cause of increasing temperatures late last century.
I’m happy to report the latest findings on the subject, based on the science and not politics.
It now appears that when our star is active (lots of sunspots) temperatures rise on earth and Mars. When sol is inactive we receive a flux of galactic cosmic rays which increases low cloud cover and makes our world cooler.
They are certain that this galactic bombardment also has a direct impact on the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO), which effects weather.
China Inc. has no understanding of the democratic process.
BEIJING, May 10 (Reuters Point Carbon) – ‘Australia will hold two auctions of carbon permits under the nation’s proposed Emissions Trading Scheme by July 1 2014, a full year before the market starts, according to the scheme’s auctioning regulations that became law Friday.’
guffaw
‘The planet has set a significant – and unwelcome – landmark with the concentration of heat-trapping carbon dioxide in the atmosphere passing 400 parts per million (ppm) for the first time in more than 3 million years.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/global-carbon-dioxide-levels-hit-landmark-high-20130511-2je8u.html#ixzz2SxhPQwOz
Prince Charles was recently king hit by irony after sprouting a medical analogy…. intended to illustrate the importance of the precautionary principle in climate science.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/celebrity/charles-injured-by-heavy-irony-2013051068183
Spud failure in Northern Ireland, due to cool inclement weather.
http://www.u.tv/News/Farmer-claims-no-potatoes-left-in-NI/05d6da60-91df-4c94-9bb9-20d6110259fd
‘The European Union’s flagship program to fight global warming—a regional carbon-emissions trading system—suffered a major blow Tuesday when legislators rejected a proposal aimed at saving the market from collapse.
‘After the European Parliament’s rejection, spooked investors drove the already depressed price of carbon emission permits down by nearly half. Benchmark electricity prices also fell.’
Sean Carney in WSJ
Correction: The story above is a month old, not that anyone here would notice.
Here’s a story you won’t see in the MSM: Arctic ice at its highest level in a decade.
And here’s another one that will slip under the radar … more than 12,000 cool records broken in two months.
http://iceagenow.info/2013/05/12793-snow-cold-records-broken-2-months/
Punting on melting ice.
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/20130516/will-years-nenana-ice-classic-set-record-latest-ice-out-ever
The Argo system monitors the oceans down to 700 meters and it has failed to find the ‘missing heat.’
The models are wrong again.
What a bout all the rain in Brissy, egg?
There is unseasonal rain across the top end and it has nothing to do with CO2.
This is the slow comedown from political and scientific embarrassment, CO2 is not as alarming as previously imagined.
‘TEMPERATURE rises sparked by increased carbon dioxide levels will be lower than previously thought, an international research team has found.
‘The Oxford University-led study found that a doubling of CO2 concentrations was likely to raise global temperatures by 1.3 degrees Celsius, with an upper limit of two degrees.’
John Ross in the Oz
Once upon a time “scientists” blamed tornados on global cooling. Now the usual idiots are dancing on childrens’ graves falling over themselves to blame global warming.
From my reading the tornado activity in the US is unrelated to cooling or warming.
“Now the usual idiots are dancing on children’s graves falling over themselves to blame global warming.”
Yeah
Remember when Andrew Bolt started blogging about whose policy was responsible for the drowning deaths when that refugee boat ran into the rocks on Christmas Island a couple of years ago ?
He was greeted with the usual hissing and gnashing of teeth by the low life scum that still votes for the ALP or Greens. All screaming “too soon”…………..” how dare you”…………”have respect”…………..
Now the boot is on the other foot and they proudly dance upon children’s graves.
They are such lowlife SCUM.
A boat runs into rocks which science can prove do exist.
A tornado rips through Oklahoma and the Left holds up climate “science” that is now proven as believable as a biblical story
A quick glance at the historical record indicates that there is no correlation at all. That doesn’t stop the Chicken Littles trying to score political points from every natural disaster that happens along. These fools are of a kind with creationists, truthers, flat earthers and other mad conspiracy theorists.
‘the Left holds up climate “science” that is now proven as believable as a biblical story’
It requires an enormous amount of faith to believe that CO2 causes warming, when the overwhelming evidence is against the proposition.
The Oxford study says temperatures may rise a couple of degrees over this century, but they are just pissing in the wind…. the models are flawed.
A two degree rise or fall is within the normal range of natural variability, as the earth has experienced over millennia
A few hundred years ago, from 1695 to 1730 in central England, temperatures jumped two degrees and CO2 played no part. So it stands to reason that the warming of late last century, from 1976 to 1998, is also unrelated to CO2.
The null hypothesis is that temperatures are now going to fall and there is nothing we can do about it.
Free Finkers
‘SWINGING voters are more easily swayed on the causes of climate change than their Left or Right counterparts, who are rusted on to their attitudes, according to a US study.
‘And what caused them to swing in the breeze was little more than the previous few days’ or weeks’ weather.’
Brendan O’Keefe in the Oz
Things more along these lines will arse-fcuk mankind well before weather wanking will.
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2013/05/23/chinas-mounting-ecological-disaster-prelude-to-a-water-and-economic-crisis/
China is a filthy factory and hopefully they will clean up the mess over the decade. Domestic spending is now a top priority, otherwise the people will revolt … they have a long history of revolution.
China needs a Carbon Tax, obviously …:roll:
guffaw
‘AUSTRALIA’S one million rooftop solar households could be forced to pay new fixed charges to help recover billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies and make electricity prices fairer for all consumers.
‘A series of electricity industry reports has highlighted the inequity in existing power pricing where customers without solar panels are unfairly subsidising those with them.’
Graham Lloyd in the Oz
Earlier this year the UK almost ran out of gas because of a broken pipe, with little more than six hours left in the tank. Alarm bells are quietly ringing.
‘With continuing cold weather – this spring is expected to be the coldest since 1979 – reserves could be partly empty heading into next winter.
‘This could force energy companies to buy gas on the open market at a higher cost, which would likely be passed on via household bills. With eight of the UK’s coal plants shut down last month to meet EU diktats, the nation will be left relying on wind farms and imported gas for power.
‘Angelos Anastasiou, an independent energy analyst, said: ‘This won’t trigger price rises immediately, but if it causes companies to spend more buying gas over the winter then [energy firms] will definitely recoup their costs later on.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2330260/Gas-reserves-close-running-dry-just-SIX-HOURS-supply-left.html#ixzz2UGrfTYDK
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h1n1 , h7n9 , another strong contender
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2013/05/22/who-chief-warns-the-world-is-unprepared-for-a-massive-virus-outbreak/
(Things more along these lines will arse-fcuk mankind well before weather wanking will.)
One of those four horsemen, methinks. Shouldn’t this be on the Jesus thread?
Here’s one for 7.30.
‘Outspoken Liberal MPs plan to defy publicly the official party line by attending a Tea Party-style anti-wind-farm rally at Parliament House, widening the rift in Coalition ranks over renewable energy targets.
‘The Canberra rally on June 18 is being promoted through a clandestine group using a website called stopthesethings.com, which conceals the identity of many of its supporters.
‘Broadcaster Alan Jones is named on the site as master of ceremonies for the event, which is being touted as the ”Wind Power Fraud” rally.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/libs-defy-party-on-wind-farms-20130525-2n3rn.html#ixzz2ULRedKnV
I miss the days when TomR would harangue me for saying CO2 isn’t a pollutant. The matter will be settled in the US courts.
‘On Thursday, May 23, 2013, 11 scientists submitted an Amicus brief to the Supreme Court in support of the Southeastern Legal Foundation ( SLF) et al’s Petition for a writ of certiorari.
‘SLF’s petition is the only petition to the Supreme Court that includes a purely science argument developed to show that EPA’s CO2 Endangerment Finding (EF) should be Vacated. Other Petitioners argue that such a decision is in order but make purely legal or process arguments.’
Story at Icecap
“The fact that German electricity prices are among the highest in Europe, must serve as a warning signal,” said the IEA. “The transition to low-carbon energy requires public acceptance, and therefore retail electricity prices to remain at an affordable level.”
‘Germany’s so called “Energiewende” aims to raise the share of electricity from renewables to 50pc by 2030 and 80pc by the midcentury, a huge challenge for a country with an energy-hungry industrial base.’
Ambrose Evans Pritchard
Did I mention that Abbott’s a dill? Here’s proof in Parliament today, answering a question from Oakshott on gorebull worming.
“The Coalition believes that it should be dealt with by direct action measures, more trees, better soils, smarter technology.
“That will actually reduce our emissions … the government’s carbon tax will not.”
A total fkn idiot.
egg, I think the end is nigh … it is pissin’ down in Brissy has been for too long now and expected till the weekend …
The sunshine State has only got two seasons … wet and dry … well now its just one I s’ppose …
Still, you’ll be pleased to hear that my 15 yo g/son is not convinced either, “we’ve been having climate changes forever” …
“we’ve been having climate changes forever” …
Indeed we have. And to think that changing a few lightbulbs or planting a few trees is going to make a difference is the height of human arrogance.
In saying that, taking steps to make the world a better place for future generations can’t do any harm…
‘In saying that, taking steps to make the world a better place for future generations can’t do any harm…’
Entirely appropriate sentiments, but let’s not waste time and money on folly for no useful purpose. Because of Abbott’s profound ignorance on this issue I cannot vote for either party … its a disgrace and he will feel our heat in the run up to the election.
Also the Bolter is suffering from wilful blindness, playing down what Abbott’s saying on CC, leaving some of his slavish followers in uproar.
Meanwhile the Guardian makes shit up about climate change.
‘Dead dolphins and rotting fish could become a frequent feature on South Australian beaches due to warming seas.
‘Record high sea surface temperatures from summer to April caused thousands of small fish to wash up dead in SA gulf waters.
‘It stressed 33 dolphins to the point they succumbed to a virus normally suppressed by immunity.’
Malcolm Sutton in Adelaide
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As for the unseasonal rain throughout northern Australia, its natural variability and has nothing to do with the increase in CO2.
‘Still, you’ll be pleased to hear that my 15 yo g/son is not convinced either’
Sceptics are intelligent, so the youngster has good genes, by comparison Gillard is a cretin from a bygone age.
‘THE Clean Energy Finance Corporation is planning to write up to $800 million in green loans before the election, defying the Coalition’s call for the agency not to sign contracts before September 14 because Tony Abbott has vowed to scrap it.
‘The CEFC has revealed it is in “active discussions” with 50 projects seeking $2 billion and that an additional 119 project proponents have presented proposals that are seeking finance worth $3.3bn. The figures are contained in an email from the CEFC to the opposition pleading its case not to be scrapped if the Coalition wins the election.’
Sid Maher in the Oz
Channeling the Bolter, who has picked up on a guest post from Keegan at Bishop Hill.
The UK Met, IPCC and presumably the CSIRO believe “the temperature rise since about 1880 is statistically significant”.
Its not significant and well within the bounds of natural variability …. climate change happens naturally.
That`s funny egg (your-link)
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/libs-defy-party-on-wind-farms-20130525-2n3rn.html#ixzz2ULRedKnV
the 2gb wind-bag starting an `anti-wind` website , and rally
The Tea Party has formerly arrived.
Tim Yeo 2013:
‘[Telegraph, Matthew Holehouse]: “He (Yeo) insisted such action is “prudent” given the threat climate change poses to living standards worldwide. But, he said, human action is merely a “possible cause”.
‘Asked on Tuesday night whether it was better to take action to mitigate the effects of climate change than to prevent it in the first place, he said: “The first thing to say is it does not represent any threat to the survival of the planet. None at all. The planet has survived much bigger changes than any climate change that is happening now.
‘He went on: “Although I think the evidence that the climate is changing is now overwhelming, the causes are not absolutely clear. There could be natural causes, natural phases that are taking place.”
‘Remember, this is what 90% certainty looks like. It looks like skeptics are winning.
‘This is not just any old politician shifting gears. Yeo was named “Politician of the Year” at the inaugural 2011 Green Business Awards…’
‘European Union carbon price expectations through 2020 have fallen 47 percent since last year, the International Emissions Trading Association said.’
Mathew Carr / Bloomberg
Nova really enjoys Watts hockey stick
Amazing coincidence, as CO2 continues to rise the number of murders in the US have declined significantly.
http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0192aa634e68970d-pi
The lower US murder rate is obviously due to gun control legislation. Oh wait, they haven’t done any gun control.
#curiouserandcuriouser
Young Kitty up at front desk has a way with words…
‘Not sure I even understand the question and it’s inference, but feel no wish to go into the basement where the crazy man runs amok…’
Hmmm….
There’s a new academic paper which suggests CFCs have been causing the warming and not CO2 as previously thought. As you can imagine there is a lot of scepticism about, which provides plenty of humour amongst my comrades.
Real world observations against alarmist Hansen… the models are flawed.
The UK has the longest record of temperature variations and this graph illustrates how the ‘tipping point’ is now.
As I have the floor, this UK spring was the coldest since 1891.
Just sayin’….
Newcastle’s iconic wind turbine up for sale.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1539563/kooragang-wind-turbine-future-in-spin/
‘The most telling argument against greenhouse gases has come from a recent study by NASA, which declared that when the upper atmosphere, or “thermosphere,” heats up, molecules of carbon dioxide and nitric oxide push the heat back into space. So the villains in the greenhouse drama are natural thermostats that protect the Earth.
‘CO2 and NO are good.
‘This is an embarrassment by proponents of the greenhouse gas theory. However, they may not accept the notions that greenhouse gases act like gigantic air conditioners to save us from harm.’
UK Guardian
The msm has quickly picked up on the CFC story (typical hate media) which will probably remain a hot potato for our brain dead politicians.
‘BANNED aerosols that caused the ozone hole – not carbon dioxide – were responsible for global warming since the 1970s, according to published research from one of Canada’s leading universities.
‘The research predicts global temperatures will continue to fall for the next 50 to 70 years and sea levels will rise for two decades before starting to retreat.’
Graham Lloyd in the Oz
This is another story that has finally reached the msm, CO2 is of good character.
‘Scientists believe a rise in carbon dioxide levels have increased the amount of vegetation in some parts of the world.
‘After studying satellite images taken between 1982 and 2010, researchers found there has been a dramatic rise in plant growth in the world’s most driest regions including parts of Africa, North America, the Middle East and the Australian outback.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334723/Dramatic-rise-plant-growth-worlds-deserts-rising-C02-levels.html#ixzz2V6J6aftS
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New research findings:“Qing-Bin Lu, a professor of physics and astronomy, shows how CFCs – compounds once widely used as refrigerants – and cosmic rays – energy particles originating in outer space – are mostly to blame for climate change, rather than carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions. His paper, derived from observations of satellite, ground-based and balloon measurements as well as an innovative use of an established mechanism, was published online in the prestigious journal Physics Reports.”
Typical response from alarmists:
There is much amusement in the Denialati camp.
http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/worlds-biggest-coal-company-turns-to-solar-to-save-energy-costs-31634
Good, if its economical viable, go for it.
‘But the most striking aspect of the decision is the company’s own recognition that fossil fuels are depleting’
Nothing to worry about, we have a shitload to sell before fusion steps in and spoils the party. Did I mention that the increase in CO2 has done wonders for our outback?
‘In an interview with Guardian Australia, Milne said the Liberal leader’s personal politics were threatening the planet. “Tony Abbott has been so irresponsible in terms of addressing global warming,” she said. “He has chosen to jeopardise the future of children, of generations henceforth, of species, by putting his own political perspective ahead of actually addressing global warming.
“I would argue nobody is fit for leadership if they choose to politically exploit an issue which jeopardises the wellbeing of the whole community and the environment into the future,” she added. “That is something for which they have to take personal responsibility.”
‘The Greens will appeal to voters to deliver them the balance of power in the Senate as a check on an Abbott government.’
Lenore Taylor
Hmmm….
A graph for Dianne …. apparently CO2 doesn’t cause global warming after all.
http://nextgrandminimum.wordpress.com/2013/06/05/epic-fail-73-climate-models-vs-observations/cmip5-73-models-vs-obs-20n-20s-mt/
If graphs are too difficult to understand, here’s a Canadian perspective.
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/wherersquos-the-warming/2451913929001
The impact of CO2 on earth’s temperature appears insignificant…. its not a pollutant.
http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c01901d26f85e970b-pi
‘CLIMATE change sceptics outnumber believers, according to an OECD study that shows how the debate has sharply divided Australians
‘The study into household attitudes towards the environment shows Australians are more sceptical than any of the other 10 nations examined, with the exception of The Netherlands.’
David Uren in the Oz
TB mentioned the unseasonal wet in Brisbane.
BoM said ENSO is neutral, neither Nina or Nino, while at the same time the eastern part of the Indian Ocean has been warmer. As a consequence there has been unseasonal humidity dragged across the continent … here is a recent example.
US temperatures have dropped 1.45 C degrees in just a decade, global warming is a mirage.
http://news.heartland.org/editorial/2013/06/05/cooling-looms-earths-true-climate-calamity
Interesting perspective from an Australian climate scientist.
Australian scientist stuns the world … human induced CO2 does not cause gorebull worming.
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/climate-scientist-dr-murry-salby.html
Damn … you beat me to it.
In other good local nooze…
‘The Coalition will impose new noise monitoring rules on windfarms that the multibillion dollar industry says will inflict crippling costs, provide no useful information and represent another victory for an anti-noise campaign by concerned citizens backed in part by the climate sceptic lobby.’
Lenore Taylor in the Guardian
Worst floods in Europe since the Middle Ages….solar activity remains low.
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/article.html?entrynum=2432
More productive green jobs:
We won’t need green warmist strategists in a cooling world… its not looking too hot.
“Nearly a third of the world’s technically recoverable natural gas and 10 percent of its oil can be found in shale formations, according to a new report by the Energy Information Administration. Thanks to fracking and horizontal drilling, there’s a bounty of oil and gas available to countries around the world .”
The World Is Swimming in Shale Oil
The World is Swimming in Shale Oil ?
Great that means we have a lot left to burn
Yes. “[I]t’s clear that there’s a lot more oil and gas out there than the peak oil Chicken Littles were predicting just ten years ago. And as drilling technology continues to expand, the shale boom will become a more global phenomenon than it already is. In the meantime, America can continue to enjoy its newfound energy bounty. There is a lot more hope for the 21st century than the Malthusians would have you believe.”
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Its a Renaissance.
‘The chairman of Tony Abbott’s proposed business advisory council, Maurice Newman, has called for the renewable energy target (RET) to be scrapped because he believes the scientific evidence for global warming and the economic case for renewable energy no longer stack up.’
Taylor in the Guardian
“……the economic case for renewable energy no longer stack up.”
Meaning it initially seemed cheap in theory according to Green propaganda but building it blew everyone’s budgets out by trillions
From AAP today
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US oil output soaring on shale boom: BP
13/06/2013 03:40AM AEST
The United States enjoyed a record surge in oil and gas production last year, boosted by a shale energy revolution, British energy giant BP says.
“On the supply side, the most noticeable phenomenon remains the American shale revolution,” said BP Chief Executive Bob Dudley in an introduction to the group’s global outlook report.
“In 2012, the US recorded the largest oil and natural gas production increases in the world, and saw the largest gain in oil production in its history.”
American oil output increased by 1.0 million barrels per day (bpd) last year, which helped it slash net oil imports by 930,000 bpd, BP added in its Statistical Review of World Energy 2013.
At the same time, gas output in the US jumped by 4.7 per cent to record the largest increase and retain its place as the world’s top gas producer.
BP added that world energy consumption growth eased to 1.8 per cent in 2012, down from 2.4 per cent the previous year, as demand was hit by the global economic slowdown and increased efficiency.
“The year 2012 saw a slowdown in the growth of energy consumption globally, partly as a result of the economic slowdown but also because individuals and businesses have responded to high prices by becoming more efficient in their use of energy,” added Dudley.
“At the same time, the review shows that the supply of energy is coming from an increasing diversity of sources as the world’s energy market continues to adapt, innovate and evolve.”
BP said emerging economies established themselves as the main source of energy demand growth, with China and India alone accounting for almost 90 per cent of the increase.
“Just 20 years ago, the emerging economies accounted for only 42 per cent of global consumption; now that figure is 56 per cent.”
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Burn Baby Burn……………………..!
‘Meaning it initially seemed cheap in theory …’
Energy directly from our star appeared inexhaustible…except at night.
Wind blows stiffly on occasions, but is know to be fairly irregular.
Summarising the past two weeks, we have discovered that only 4 percent of CO2 in the atmosphere is human induced and Maurice Newman thinks the science for AGW is not sound.
Murry Salby would make a perfect Climate Commissioner, with Maurice playing a pivotal role in getting the message out.
One of the differences between fracking in the US and here is that Americans own what’s beneath their land, so profit personally. In OZ it’s a different story, so landholders get on the Alan Jones anti-fracking bandwagon.
‘The Coalition would reduce the $20 billion a year funding on carbon madness by a half to two-thirds. Not a bad start to ridding us forever of the cruel and pernicious impost introduced at the behest of green guerillas, well-funded business lobbyists, gullible politicians and public servants creating career options.’
Alan Moran at Catallaxy Files
Its all true, but the incoming government has no right to spend any money on folly. Global warming is a fraud.
Did I mention that Greg Hunt is a fkn idiot?
‘After summer floods and droughts, freezing winters and even widespread snow in May this year, something is clearly wrong with Britain’s weather.
‘Concerns about the extreme conditions the UK consistently suffers have increased to such an extent that the Met Office has called a meeting next week to talk about it.
‘Leading meteorologists and scientists will discuss one key issue: is Britain’s often terrible weather down to climate change, or just typical?’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2341484/Floods-droughts-snow-May-Britains-weather-got-bad-Met-Office-worried.html#ixzz2WBzcNZIc
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“It takes Robert Stone’s controversial new documentary Pandora’s Promise 30 minutes and five apostate environmentalists, but it finally gets to the point: Nuclear power, the energy source many people fear most, is the best and currently only way to satisfy the world’s voracious demand for electricity without producing carbon dioxide and other emissions that contribute to climate change.”
Read more: Pandora’s Promise: When Greens Embrace Nuclear – Popular Mechanics
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“without producing carbon dioxide and other emissions that contribute to climate change.”
CO2 doesn’t contribute to climate change…. state of the art coal fired power stations are safer than nuke.
Saturday Funny
http://xkcd.com/1225/
Antarctic ice melt caused by warm water and not warm air.
‘I speak to many groups of people through the year using my powerPoint presentations about weather to educate and entertain. Inevitably, at the end of a program, questions about global warming come up. The first thing I say is that there has been no measured surface temperature warming since 1998. This always comes as a shock to everyone in the room.
‘However, as “The Pause” continues it appears more people are beginning to take note. President Obama is not one of them. In a press conference after his re-election he said “What we do know is the temperature around the globe is increasing faster than was predicted even 10 years ago.’
Art Horn
The Climate Commissioners want us to stop digging up coal for the good of the planet, based primarily on the extreme weather we are experiencing.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/australia-climate-change-report2
This article is worthy of serious attention and discussion:
The carbon tax has done much less to increase electricity prices than the Renewable Energy Target. Big Wind companies and funds enter into long term contracts to provide very expensive energy to the grid. The extra cost is reflected in electricity prices. The companies that build the wind turbines and the banks who arrange the transactions are the big winners. Everyone else loses. Neither side seems keen to do anything about it. At the very least the government should make the wind farms accountable for the environmental damage they cause. And if there was ever a case for a super-profits tax this is it.
Delingpole is good value.
As I’ve been sayin’, the fraud began when they started calling CO2 a pollutant.
The carbon footprint as original sin…
‘There are at least two ecologies: one rational, the other nonsensical; one that broadens our outlook while the other narrows it; one democratic, the other totalitarian. The first wants to tell us about the damage done by industrial civilization; the second infers from this the human species’ guilt. For the latter, nature is only a stick to be used to beat human beings.
‘Just as third-worldism was the shame of colonial history, and repentance was contrition with regard to the present, catastrophism constitutes the anticipated remorse of the future: The meaning of history having evaporated, every change is a potential collapse that augurs nothing good.’
Pascal Bruckner in The Chronicle Review
Wow, now we have an Admiral telling us what to do. Climate Change people are bring out the big guns now.
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3782914.htm
“Admiral Chris Barrie is the former defence chief. He agrees there is an urgency.
CHRIS BARRIE: The way I see this is really I put up a picture of my granddaughter who’s four years of age, and to say this is her life we are talking about; these are the sorts of issues she’s going to have to deal with, and I’m not sure we are doing enough, as The Critical Decade reports point out.
We only have this little period of 10 years in which to adjust human behaviour to give us a more acceptable outcome for the rest of the century.”
Does an Admiral know more about Climate Change which used to be global warming which used to be global cooling than anyone else???
Is Admiral Barrie the stupidest person on the planet?
They seem to think putting an admiral on the commission gives it more kudos, but the electorate aren’t stupid and will see his sacking in due course.
In Canberra today, pick the brainwashed group who will need debriefing after the election.
Let’s not forget, CO2 does not cause global warming.
Resistance to stupidity has to start somewhere. Good on those who went to protest.
Yep, heroes of the revolution.
But we are still stuck with the problem of how to quickly deprogram the masses. Few on this blog come out the back to discuss this vital issue, which is a pity.
Defence Force chief Admiral Chris Barrie releasing the Climate Commission’s latest report:
“There’s a one in two chance that by 2100 there’ll be no human beings left on this planet. The planet will exist, but it’s just that my granddaughter won’t be part of it. And I think that’s a pretty alarming statistic, probability, one in two chance if we don’t correct our behaviours.”
…guffaw….
From the Australian
HOLDEN boss Mike Devereux says the carbon tax has placed an unwanted additional burden on the company as it struggles to keep its Australian operations going.
A day after he asked workers to take a pay cut, Mr Devereux suggested the company wouldn’t be considering such action if the carbon tax had been axed.
Does this mean Paul Howes will no longer back Gillard/ labor ?
‘Does this mean Paul Howes will no longer back Gillard/ labor ?’
To give a definitive answer, ToM is more qualified than me,
‘We are proud that we have priced carbon, and taken action against dangerous climate change.’
Wayne Swan in parliament today.
Indeed. He’s the type of guy to give each of his precious turds a little kiss before they are flushed away down the S-bend.
Swan is not very bright, as ToM will agree, but my anger is directed at Gary Gray for recanting on CC to worm his way onto the big table. REALPOLITIK
David Archibald predicts a serious tipping point in 2015…
Meanwhile, in Exeter…. much hilarity.
‘The national forecasters called a summit to discuss the strange seasons in the UK after the freezing winter in 2010, followed by the soggy summer 2012 and this year’s cold spring.
‘The high level meeting concluded that climate change is a major factor in colder winters.
‘A new pattern identified by the University of Reading was blamed for making wet summers more likely.
‘The meteorolgists noticed a warming of the North Atlantic Ocean in recent years.’
Louise Gray in UK Telegraph
This is the Holocene interglacial and global warming is over.
Holy Holocene, Batman. We had better start massively burning fossil fuels so we don’t get frozen back to the stone age!
[Hans Von] Storch [IPCC lead author]: If things continue as they have been, in five years, at the latest, we will need to acknowledge that something is fundamentally wrong with our climate models. A 20-year pause in global warming does not occur in a single modeled scenario. But even today, we are finding it very difficult to reconcile actual temperature trends with our expectations.
SPIEGEL: What could be wrong with the models?
Storch: There are two conceivable explanations — and neither is very pleasant for us. The first possibility is that less global warming is occurring than expected because greenhouse gases, especially CO2, have less of an effect than we have assumed. This wouldn’t mean that there is no man-made greenhouse effect, but simply that our effect on climate events is not as great as we have believed. The other possibility is that, in our simulations, we have underestimated how much the climate fluctuates owing to natural causes.
Splatter is correct in thinking we should pump out more CO2, it will be a boon to agriculture in the approaching mini ice age.
http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c019103a15765970c-pi
At this point we are only back to the early 1970s … you will remember at the time there was fear of global cooling.
Then we experienced the great climate shift of 1976 and we morphed into global warming caused by humans. Now that cooling is taking place, even as CO2 continues to rise at extraordinary rates, its clear that CO2 doesn’t have much of an impact on climate.
This is a serious matter and there are political and philosophical consequences.
THE planet has been building up temperatures at the rate of four Hiroshima bombs of heat every second, and it’s all our fault, say climate scientists.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/earth8217s-temperature-building-at-rate-of-four-hiroshima-atomic-bombs/story-fncynjr2-1226668001612#ixzz2WvjypsLP
You may be aware that John Cook is a cartoonist and everything he says is amusing.
Mass delusion is an extraordinary phenomenon and in many respects its why history repeats itself.
‘Fewer voters want to see the carbon tax removed now than before it took effect on July 1 last year. Nearly half, or 48 per cent, wanted the tax scrapped a year ago.
But a poll of 1009 people, conducted by JWS Research for the Climate Institute, found just 37 per cent of them now supported the Coalition’s intention to wind the tax back in favour of its ”Direct Action”….
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-carbon-tax-mantra-blunted-20130622-2opjp.html#ixzz2Wz7LQW62
‘US President Barack Obama will give a major speech on climate change on Tuesday (Wednesday AEST) in which he is expected to propose executive action to cut carbon pollution.
“I’ll lay out my vision for where I believe we need to go – a national plan to reduce carbon pollution, prepare our country for the impacts of climate change, and lead global efforts to fight it,” he said in a statement.’
AAP
On the other thread ToM suggested Reb put together a book of his best posts, the idea has merit…the blogmasta has a sharp wit.
But I think his talents might best be used writing science fiction.
Just sayin’
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/22/prescient-fallen-angels-a1991-satire-of-climate-alarmism/#more-88559
The background of John Cook.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2012/03/truth-about-skeptical-science.html
Sceptical Science is run like a cafe.
“The Arctic boom reminds us that global warming, like most every macro phenomenon, has good and bad effects. The pace of warming has slowed down in recent years and it’s uncertain what the long term effects of climate change will be. But even if we grant that some of the greens’ fears will be realized, there are still countervailing benefits to consider. It looks to us as if the affects of climate change are much more complex and harder to predict than green publicists claim; the earth’s climate system has surprised us before and is likely to surprise us again as the interactions and interrelations of different factors lead to unexpected changes in the world around us … Greens, many impelled by emotional overreactions or a deep inner belief that unfettered capitalism is a terrible thing, have tried to simplify the discussion about the earth’s changing climate into a morality pla … Zealots are rarely the best guides when it comes to difficult issues like climate change”
Indeed … zealots are simplistic and should never be taken too seriously.
“I’m not worried about disagreeing with Obama about this publicly. I’ve been saying the same thing about globalwarmingclimatechange in phone and e-mail conversations for years, so he knows my opinion already.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/24/global-warming-is-just-like-sputnik-when-you-dont-think-about-it/#ixzz2XCwMP5NO
A must read new book ….
Meanwhile, even in the warmist fantasy freakshow this is patently absurd:
This demonstrates the idiocy of our patent system and the creativity brought forth by the opportunity to cash in on fairy tale science.
Flat Earth Society believes in global warming.
http://www.salon.com/2013/06/25/flat_earth_society_believes_in_climate_change/
Bob Carter’s new book was well received…. the climatariat play hard ball.
‘ONE of Australia’s most prominent climate change sceptics believes he has been dumped by James Cook University because of his outspoken views.
‘Professor Bob Carter, who argues global warming stopped 17 years ago, has been given his marching orders after 32 years at the university.’
David Sparkes / Townsville Bulletin
The left can’t tolerate dissent. They always prefer to shut people up than argue with them.
A lot of science jobs are on the line and they are shit scared.
Carter should survive in the midst of revolution.
‘The climate change authority includes former reserve bank head Bernie Fraser, Prof Ian Chubb and former Australian Industry Group head Heather Ridout.
‘As well as assessing international action against which Australia’s efforts should be compared, it will look at the costs of the impacts of climate change that Australia is already feeling.
‘The Coalition would abolish the authority and repeal the carbon tax. Unless it wins a majority in the Senate, that is also likely to run into problems in the upper house.’
Lenore Taylor/Guardian
‘The problem for Kevin Rudd is just how low to go with the carbon price. The recession in Europe means less industrial output, that means less pollution, companies have been buying fewer carbon permits so the price over there has dived dramatically to around just $6 a tonne.
‘So the suggestion that with the stroke of a pen the carbon price would just switch to be in line with the floating European scheme might be good news for industry and consumers, but it could put a hole in the Government’s revenue forecasts – perhaps as much as $15 billion. And the Coalition says this would blow another black hole into the budget.’
Peter Ryan, business editor of the ABC
———
‘Remember, the money we are talking about is not so much a “$15b hole in the government budget”, as $15b drawn out of the productive economy toward misdirected, ineffective ends and unproductive jobs. In that sense, the government would save Australians much more than $15 billion if they chopped the whole scheme up and sequestered it in a large unused mineshaft.’
Jo Nova
At last… Jim Spigelman takes the dissemination of propaganda seriously.
‘THE ABC will establish an external panel to oversee science coverage as the pilot for oversight of journalists in a range of specialist fields.
‘According to ABC board chair James Spigelman, the panel will establish indicators “against which the ABC can evaluate science content delivered across its platforms”.
Stephen Matchett on the Oz
Lord Christopher is taking the IPCC to court for fraud.
For years the Climatariat has been telling us that the Arctic is the canary in a coal mine, it now appears they may have been right after all. Harry Ambler thinks we are watching a tipping point, but I think he’s flying kites.
http://talkingabouttheweather.wordpress.com/2013/06/27/did-that-canary-just-flutter-its-wings/
“Professor Bob Carter, who argues global warming stopped 17 years ago, has been given his marching orders after 32 years at the university.”
Isn’t academic tenure supposed to guard against that kind of thing?
Not when it comes to marginal zealots!
Heretics are not easily understood.
Carter for Climate Commissioner.
Especially when it comes to marginal zealots. Academic institutions are supposed to encourage free thought, and after a time academics are given tenure so they can express controversial ideas without fearing for their livelihoods.
Carter has crossed the line too many times and now his new book on ‘Taxing Air’ is the last straw.
Five hundred years ago he would have been given the stake (slow burn 30 minutes), but not these days.
And for ToSY… Britain has the largest reserves of shale gas in the world.
http://www.publicserviceeurope.com/article/3654/huge-uk-shale-reserves-lets-get-fracking
adjunct professor
noun
a professor employed by a college or university for a specific purpose or length of time and often part-time.
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2013/06/28/384514_news.html
Yeah, that’s all very well JCU, but I believe Carter has been black balled because of his views.
For the uninitiated JCU is James Cook University. Anyhow, here’s JoNova’s perspective of a true hero of the people and not, as toilet implies, a marginal zealot.
‘In years to come when everyone admits that the Great Global Warming Scare was hyped, JCU could have been seen as one of the rare beacons of academic honour and principle. Instead, apparently, it’s as spineless as any other bureucratic collective.
‘The irony for JCU, is that Bob Carter has been working there for 31 years, and they only had to put up with him for a little bit longer in order to claim their glory (albeit post hoc) and then pretend that really they had supported him all along.
‘The dominant meme is collapsing, thousands of respected scientists are speaking out and skeptic blogs are storming the awards. The evidence has turned, the carbon market has sunk to junk status, and assertive daring articles are appearing in mainstream media in places they would never have been seen a few years ago, like the New York Times, and the Economist.
‘The climate scientists themselves are admitting they don’t know why the world isn’t warming. But the man who was right about that all along is persona non-grata.’
Hilarious, the marginal zealot’s tenure expired…but the doctrine of marginal zealotry dictates that tinfoil hats are required! 😆
JoNova, one of Andrew Bolt’s favourite poodles.
Toilet forget the politics and take the science seriously. Here’s Marohasy on Carter’s new book.
http://jennifermarohasy.com/2013/06/taxing-air-facts-fallacies-about-climate-change/
Rudd’s Brown Out
”He has backflipped on climate so much I don’t think people will really trust him to actually respond to the science,” Christine Milne told ABC Radio on Friday.
”He will be much more interested into caving into business and caving into the big miners than responding to the climate crisis.
”The concern here is the extent to which Kevin Rudd will ”brown down” carbon pricing and the effort on climate change.”
UK Climate Change Act Moribund
‘Who could doubt that the Almighty has a sense of humour when, on the very day headlines were filled with warnings that our electricity system is now in such a parlous state that we can soon expect power cuts and electricity “rationing”, we were also told that Britain is now sitting on what has been called “by far the biggest shale gas basin in the world”.
Christopher Booker/UK Tele
Global Cooling Roundup
It may come as a shock to many of my colleagues here that the temperature ‘pause’ of the past decade is now being referred to as ‘cooling’. This is not the script we were given by the Klimatariat, even though there were numerous clues along the way which indicated climate was acting naturally.
Its hubris to believe humans had anything to do with the warming of last century.
http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/06/15/forget-the-temperature-plateau-earth-undergoing-global-cooling-since-2002-climate-scientist-dr-judith-curry-attention-in-the-public-debate-seems-to-be-moving-away-from/
If anyone followed the Yamal/Polar Urals attempt to create another hockey stick (including relying on one tree for an important part of the analysis), the denouement is reported here.
The Hockey Team have, after considerable criticism from McIntyre and others, published a new paper using all of the available data rather than the cherry-picked data used in their original paper, ended up with a flat-line graph which is strikingly similar to the one proposed by Steve McIntyre in 2009.
It was McIntyre who exposed the shoddy science in the first hockey stick which was discredited in the Wegman report in 2005. There followed desperate attempts by the hockey team to create other hockey stick graphs. These have failed too – in this case by selective use of proxies. In other cases by ‘hiding the decline’.
The trouble with all of this is that ‘climate science’ generally isn’t science so much as political advocacy. This much was obvious from the beginning when the climate ‘scientists’ would not release details of their data and modelling so that their work could be checked. Wegman, in an appendix to his report, wondering how MAnn and his hockey team could have got the original hockey stick so wrong, identified a group of 42 ‘scientists’ who formed a tight-knit group co-authoring many papers and then reviewing each others’ work.
This is the natural conclusion of post-modernist arguments about the nature of science. In the end the political consequences are more important than getting to the truth, which in their view is a very elastic concept.
Along with Lysenkoism, the great global warming scare will go down in history as a prime example of what goes wrong when science is corrupted in pursuit of fame, funding and political goals.
In Australia last year Gergis and Karoly tried to create a down under hockey stick, but they were forced to withdraw it.
http://australianclimatemadness.com/2012/10/19/gergis-hockey-stick-withdrawn/
The Klimatariat was once all powerful, but now we have them on the run.
They won’t go down without a fight, egg. Their reputations and funding depend on their lies being accepted. Putting Carter out to pasture is symptom of their desperation.
The fact that global warming has stopped, as CO2 continues to rise, is a story the ABC should run.
Bob Carter is a great Australian and will be vindicated.
“…………….”The concern here is the extent to which Kevin Rudd will ”brown down” carbon pricing and the effort on climate change.”……………..”
I suppose “Greatest Moral Challenges” tend to change over time and depending on the electoral circumstances
“The influence of mankind on climate is trivially true and numerically insignificant.”
Richard Lindzen
‘AUSTRALIA can meet its emissions reduction targets under a Coalition government, Wentworth federal Liberal MP Malcolm Turnbull says.’
Grogan / Daily Terror
Talcum is an idiot and should stay within his portfolio.
This thread seems to be pretty much your private salon Egg. I believe in climate change. Well I trust the science. Now I am going to duck and head for the hills.
The editor, in his infinite wisdom, allows this thread to exist.
Maybe he feels it is good for your ‘ealth.
Yes, I believe he’s in that line of work… sumthin to do with mental health.
‘I believe in climate change. Well I trust the science.’
Me too, Russian and now Japanese scientists agree there will be a tipping point in 2015.
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/social_affairs/AJ201306300011
The Klimatariat has a propaganda arm….aunty.
http://joannenova.com.au/2013/07/witchcraft-on-catalyst-scary-weather-is-coming-its-all-our-fault-be-afraid/
This is instructive…
‘Professor Jennifer Francis , from the Institute of Marine and Coastal Sciences, Rutgers University, explained that the rapidly warming Arctic has created a ‘gentler’ atmospheric temperature gradient between the Tropics and the Poles. This leads to weaker, more variable, jet stream winds, which then ‘meander’ north and south more.
‘This allows frigid polar air to penetrate further towards the tropics, and hot tropical air to penetrate further towards the poles. Also, because the wavy jet stream is moving more slowly, this causes weather systems to persist for longer.
Ken Stewart via Nova
In 1990 the IPCC said there would be 50 million climate change refugees in 2010, but it failed to eventuate.
It was an epic fail, but people have short memories, apparently. In 2011 another shadowy group (AAAS) repeated the claim anew, even using the same figures. Have they no shame?
‘Fifty million “environmental refugees” will flood into the global north by 2020, fleeing food shortages sparked by climate change, experts warned at a major science conference that ended here Monday.
“In 2020, the UN has projected that we will have 50 million environmental refugees,” Cristina Tirado, a professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, said at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS).
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/50-million-environmental-refugees-by-2020-experts-say-20110222-1b31i.html#ixzz2YEi6fI5N
‘A person’s view on whether climate change is real or not can be swayed by something as simple as what date they are asked and if the weather is expected for that time of year, a scientist has claimed.
‘Professor Nick Chater, from Warwick Business School, claims that if someone is questioned about climate change on a day in June when it is colder than expected, or raining, they will be more sceptical.
‘Alternatively, if they are asked on a winter’s day when the sun is shining they’re more likely to believe the phenomenon exists.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2354889/Does-climate-change-exist-It-depends-date-ask-raining-time-claims-scientist.html#ixzz2YF19DUw1
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Egg
Got a question for you. Is there any scientific evidence that CO2 is causing global warming??
A lot of people say the science is in and we have to believe in AGW.
WE know that CO2 concentration is always going up because we are burning coal. But it seems to be assumed that because CO2 is going up this will mean temperature will go up.
Is there a study showing a direct link between increasing CO2 and world temperature??
The sceptics say CO2 causes a little warming, but the Klimatariat has overstated its effect in relation to natural variability.
It was no coincidence that temperatures rose at the end of last century, our star was very active and in a warmer world more CO2 is released from the oceans. The alarmists made us think the end of the world was nigh and whole species, including humanity, was going to hell.
Working out who is telling the truth on the science is not easy, so in every instance you must use critical judgement.
For example, you may have heard that the polar bear was going extinct because of global warming, but this is a lie ….they are thriving.
“Annual primary production in the Arctic has increased yearly … Should these trends continue, additional loss of ice during Arctic spring could boost productivity >3-fold above 1998–2002 levels”
Dr. Kevin Arrigo, Stanford University
Thanks Egg
The evidence does look slim. It almost like people believe in AGW like a religion and then go around looking for evidence to support their beliefs.
But it seems to me that people just assume because CO2 is going up this has to mean temperature will go up. But nobody has shown any link between increasing CO2 and increasing temperature. It is just assumed.
The world is a complicated place with lots of unknowns. The arrogance of some scientists is amazing.
They used models, which have now been discredited. Wander back up the thread and check out the graphs, the models have failed to show real world significance.
Mass delusion is a dangerous thing … picture a combo of science, media and politics… its a heady mix.
The Klimatariat will be weeded out in due course, as the climate continues to cool.
“as the climate continues to cool.”
Big call to make. Perhaps you are being as arrogant as the scientists who believe in AGW.
But it would be funny and also embarrassing for the scientists if the planet cools. It would also be bad for science as people will distrust what a scientist says.
‘Big call to make. Perhaps you are being as arrogant as the scientists who believe in AGW.’
Yeah, the denialati are prone to exaggerate, pushing the boundaries beyond where sceptics fear to tread… David Archibald is a good example. Whenever he gets a guest post at Watts he’s roasted by the sceptics.
For me its a comical device, as atmospheric science is still in its infancy and nobody knows what the future holds. It may just be a gradual tilt in temperatures worldwide, which picks up again in 20 years and begins to climb again.
Weird when I read in the tabloids that this past decade has been the hottest in history, its like being on another planet.
“They used models”
If that is the case they are insane. Everybody knows with computers that garbage in equals garbage out. And anybody who thinks a computer could model climate is insane.
So it looks like there is no evidence of a link between rising CO2 and increasing temperature. Just assumptions since CO2 is a greenhouse gas and computer modelling.
That is not science. It is wishful thinking. And I mean wishful thinking. It looks like a bunch of scientists in this area want AGW to be true. So they hunt around looking for evidence, meaning that any evidence against the theory is overlooked.
That’s about the size of it and it has cost us a lot of taxpayer dollars and will no doubt go down in the histories as the greatest fraud of the modern era.
“will no doubt go down in the histories as the greatest fraud of the modern era”
Peak oil would run a close second. It looks like peak oil blogs have passed their peak, though. 😉
Example
‘But it would be funny and also embarrassing for the scientists if the planet cools.’
It is cooling slightly and on sceptical blogs there is robust debate over where it goes from now … as CO2 doesn’t cause global warming.
In the absence of an energetic sun it might be prudent to consider our future, where we are in the scheme of things, at the end of the Holocene interglacial.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greenland_Gisp2_Temperature.svg
And CFCs cause ozone depletion was also big (as frauds go) but gorebull worming must be the most expensive scam.
Paul Collits in Quadrant…..
‘The age of global warming is over. I refer, not to any warming of the planet that may or may not be occurring, but to the world’s apparently serious and broadly shared belief in dangerous, man-made global warming and of equally serious attempts to implement policies of enforced decarbonisation to deal with it.
‘Of course, the denouement will take time. There are too many vested interests involved for it all to simply die overnight. The architecture built by the warmists is quite grand, literally in the case of the ghastly and divisive wind farms. The architecture is both global and local. Think of all those grant recipients whose careers have been built on global warming, all those folks who work in Centres of Sustainability and the like. They won’t give up without a fight. But, in my view, their party is over.’
The other strange thing about AGW is that most Coalition supporters are suspicious of AGW whereas most Labor supporters think the science is settled.
Seems to show some difference in the way Coalition supporters think compared to labor supporters.
Climate change has become politicised, the rusted ons from both sides support their team’s position without understanding the science.
Most of my family and friends are left wing and believe CO2 is a pollutant, they have been severely brainwashed and there is nought I can do about it.
Three cheers to Andrew Bolt, for making a valiant effort to debrief the masses.
“without understanding the science.”
Is it possible for layman to understand the science. ALP supporters say that most scientists agree with AGW and i guess they are right. As a politician you have to go with expert advice. And if the CSIRO says AGW is real what is a politician to say??
Best Neilcomment ever ! 😯
‘ALP supporters say that most scientists agree with AGW and i guess they are right.’
You may have heard that 97% of scientists believe in global warming, its a blatant propaganda lie which has been used successfully over the years to close the sceptic argument down.
‘And if the CSIRO says AGW is real what is a politician to say??’
Essentially we need to sack Flannery as Climate Commissioner and replace him with Bob Carter and Maurice Newman could take the place of Admiral Chris Barrie. This is only the start …..
The CSIRO and BoM also needs a broom through the place, because they are full of enlightened self interested scientists. But most importantly, before any of this can happen, Jim Spigelman needs to find balance in the ABC newsroom.
Propaganda is insidious, even though the science clearly shows that global warming stopped last century the people are not told the truth.
And toilet, with all due respect, you have been conned. Take an interest in the scientific argument and you will discover the planet is safe for our children and grandchildren….
The Clean Energy Finance Corporation has begun throwing money around, even though Abbott told them to desist until after the election.
This is Labor’s soft underbelly in a cooling world.
‘Last week a friend chided me for not agreeing with the scientific consensus that climate change is likely to be dangerous. I responded that, according to polls, the “consensus” about climate change only extends to the propositions that it has been happening and is partly man-made, both of which I readily agree with. Forecasts show huge uncertainty.
‘Besides, science does not respect consensus. There was once widespread agreement about phlogiston (a nonexistent element said to be a crucial part of combustion), eugenics, the impossibility of continental drift, the idea that genes were made of protein (not DNA) and stomach ulcers were caused by stress, and so forth—all of which proved false. Science, Richard Feyman once said, is “the belief in the ignorance of experts.”
‘My friend objected that I seemed to follow the herd on matters like the reality of evolution and the safety of genetically modified crops, so why not on climate change? Ah, said I, but I don’t. I agree with the majority view on evolution, not because it is a majority view but because I have looked at evidence. It’s the data that convince me, not the existence of a consensus.’
Matt Ridley, WSJ.
The first question is whether or not we are talking about science at all. The essence of science is the verification of theories. If the theory explains more and more things each time it is tested then we can have more confidence in it. It only takes one failure to refute it.
Sadly much of what passes for climate science is not science at all. If the ‘scientists’ expect governments to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on the basis of their findings then they should make their data and calculations available for testing by other scientists. If they will not have their ‘science’ subject to such verification they should be derided and ignored.
When asked for his data Prof. Phil Jones (head of the Climate Research Unit at Uni of East Anglia) replied that he would not do so: “Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it.”
When the US House appointed a committee to examine the famous ‘Hockey Stick’ graph, the authors would not provide the data for checking and had to be subpoenaed to produce it. The model was then promptly discredited as being defective.
We also need to keep in mind the politicisation of this issue. Stephen Schneider, Professor of Climatology at Stanford University and IPCC lead author said:
In all of these circumstances I am not willing to surrender my common sense. All I can say is that there are differing views about global warming, that the key proponents have much to gain from advancing the theory, that they do not behave like scientists and that their theories have produced many failed predictions.
What I can see is the detrimental effects of the politicisation of science. HL Mencken was on point with this comment:
The CSIRO admits excessive CO2 has an upside.
http://www.csiro.au/Portals/Media/Deserts-greening-from-rising-CO2.aspx
‘The evidence does look slim. It almost like people believe in AGW like a religion and then go around looking for evidence to support their beliefs.’
Its adversarial and both sides adopt that practice, but I grant you it has a religious zeal about it. Here is Maurice Newman (Dec 2012) in the Oz.
‘LAST month in this newspaper, I wrote an irreverent piece, “Losing Their Religion As Evidence Cools Off”, illustrating how the global warming establishment was like a religion, replete with the structure, scripture and financial resources required to promote a faith-based movement and how it is losing disciples as the truth wears off.
‘I don’t know about other readers, but at the ABC, for those with the religion it hit a nerve.’
‘Labor is using the independent Climate Change Authority to assess what the rest of the world is doing and whether Australia’s target needs to be tougher. If it does, the “cap” on emissions under the emissions trading scheme will be adjusted.
‘The Coalition will abolish the authority. It says its 2015 review will assess Australia’s targets.’
Lenore Taylor in the Guardian
Following on from Bob Carter getting the sack from JCU, Murry Salby has now been blackballed by Macquarie Uni.
The Klimatariat is all powerful and is known to purge heretics. They are heroes of the revolution and deserve seats on the CCA.
Matt Ridley, WSJ.
Hard to argue with that…
“WHENEVER the temperatures rise above average the ABC and Fairfax press freak-out in a frenzy of global warming hysteria. Yet when a record low hits the nation, there is silence.”
Siddle Siddle Siddle
Akerman Akerman Akerman
Energy Work Power
The Salby Affair really is a disgrace and I declare a pox on MU.
Weather is climate, at least in the popular imagination, so we get jumping the shark.
See the power of propaganda, groupthink and mass delusion. US Networks blind in one eye.
‘Recent years’ slowdown in global warming completely ignored by networks 92 climate change stories in 2013.
‘Stories citing experts or the latest studies promoting alarmism get covered more than 8 times as often as critical experts and studies.
‘Although many scientists say no, ABC, CBS and NBC continue to link weather events like tornadoes, hurricanes, heat waves and more to climate change nearly one-fourth of the time.’
Julia Seymour / WSJ
Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead
By WALTER SULLIVAN
New York Times
‘The world’s climate is changing. Of that scientists are firmly convinced. But in what direction why are subjects of deepening debate.
‘There are specialists who say that a new ice age is on the way-the inevitable consequence of a natural cyclic process, or as a result of man-made pollution of the atmosphere. And there are those who say that such pollution may actually head off an ice age.
‘Sooner or later a major cooling of the climate is widely considered inevitable. Hints that it may already have begun are evident. The drop in mean temperatures since 1950 in the Northern Hemisphere has been sufficient, for example, to shorten Britain’s growing season for crops by two weeks.’
Forgot to add…
[Original article published May 21,1975]
Salby was up to his old tricks, he has form, no surpises although the denier industry is seeing some kind of censorship/free speech issue [as they do whenever they are disciplined or even criticised for spreading lies and misrepresentations].
Climate Sceptic Professor Sacked From Australian University Was Banned By National Science Foundation For “Deceptive Conduct”
http://www.desmogblog.com/2013/07/12/murry-salby-sacked-australian-university–banned-national-science-foundation
A CLIMATE sceptic professor fired from his Australian university for alleged policy breaches had previously been banned for three years from accessing US taxpayer-funded science research money.
Crikey [paywalled]
scroll past if not interested in lengthy cut & paste, I can only link to the paywalled content.
Censorship? Climate sceptics culled from universities:
Two darlings of Australia’s climate sceptic movement have been dumped by their universities, sparking charges of academic censorship from the blogosphere.
The cull makes it harder for the sceptic movement to use academics to push its case by appearing at parliamentary hearings, speaking at events and writing opinion pieces for newspapers.
Australia’s climate sceptic movement — from Andrew Bolt and Alan Jones to the Sydney Institute and the Coalition’s sceptic rump — has relied on a small pool of academics who cast doubt on the science of anthropogenic global warming (i.e. climate change caused by humanity’s greenhouse gas emissions). These academics are usually male, usually older, are often geologists and are sometimes semi-retired. Some have published little on climate in peer-reviewed academic publications.
Now that pool is two men smaller. Professor Murry Salby has been controversially terminated by Macquarie University, and Professor Bob Carter, who was an adjunct research fellow at James Cook University, has also been axed (the university says his term expired).
Both universities say the terminations had nothing to do with the men’s outspoken views that humanity’s emissions are not affecting the climate in any serious way. Both men have indicated they think their climate views were in part behind the decisions (read Salby’s claims here and Carter’s here).
Sceptic HQ is outraged. News Corp writer Andrew Bolt says Salby has been punished and persecuted for challenging “the global warming faith”. Blogger JoNova says Carter has been “blackballed … because he speaks outside the permitted doctrine”. The popular blog Wattsupwiththat says “I’m beginning to think Australia is ground zero for AGW [anthropogenic global warming] crackpottery”, and the Salby case “illustrates the disturbing lengths a university will go to suppress ideas they don’t agree with”.
The Australian ran a sympathetic story by Graham Lloyd on page 5 today linking Salby’s sacking to his research on global warming and airing views by Salby’s supporters that the situation “raised questions about the culture of climate science and the difficulty many had accepting alternative views”.
The Australian misspelt his name as Murray Salby (it’s Murry) and described him as “the chair of Macquarie University’s Climate Department”. Macquarie University does not have a climate department. His title was Professor of Climate Risk.
The case of Salby is an interesting one that Crikey has monitored for some months. So what happened to him? Macquarie University says it terminated him because he refused to teach as required and breached the university’s travel rules. He claims he was treated poorly and denied resources, and links this to his research on greenhouse gas emissions. Salby, who has spoken twice at the Sydney Institute, hints his sacking might have been something to do with this op-ed in The Australian in April (he notes that some senior staff on the Climate Commission, which he criticises in the op ed, are also employed at Macquarie)
Crikey looked into this piece at the time because it makes some bold claims. The piece challenges a report by the government-funded Climate Commission that had said Australia’s 2012-2013 summer was hot and “angry” due in part to climate change. Salby claims temperature data from the Bureau of Meteorology is not robust, and he makes serious claims that the BOM’s temperature records are “routinely readjusted” in a manner that is opaque and “discretionary”. This claim, which could be interpreted to indicate the BOM is faking temperature data, incensed the bureau, which said this (read BOM’s seven-page response to Crikey’s enquiry here):
“The Bureau stands by its climate analysis that portrays the last Australian summer as exceptional. So many temperature records were broken over such a wide area of the continent during this summer past, that it is absurd to argue otherwise. The Bureau rejects assertions that surface based climate observations made and analysed by the Bureau of Meteorology are somehow fatally flawed.”
Salby presents his own graphs, which appear to show Australia’s summertime temperatures have not warmed in the last 30 years (see above). Crikey was interested in these graphs and contacted Salby and Macquarie University repeatedly by phone and email over a six-week period in April and May to find out where the data came from. Salby never responded — he was overseas on a lecture tour — and the university was not able to answer the question.
Crikey tracked the data to academic John Christy from the Atmospheric Science University of Alabama. Christy told Crikey:
“I’m fairly certain this chart was derived from our satellite data … The satellite measures a deep layer, about surface to 10km altitude, so it is a rather robust measurement of atmospheric temperature … The traditional surface temperatures don’t always align with the deep atmosphere above, but over long periods (i.e. annual averages or so) they look quite similar.”
So Salby’s op-ed for The Australian, which claims to show that the climate is not warming insofar as Australian summers are not getting hotter, is based on records taken up to 10 kilometres above the earth’s surface, which “don’t always align” with temperatures on the earth’s surface.
So astronauts have no need to worry about climate change, then.
‘So astronauts have no need to worry about climate change, then.’
That’s cute … let’s start with the basics and I’ll get around to the politics later.
‘The stratosphere is the second major layer of Earth’s atmosphere, just above the troposphere, and below the mesosphere. It is stratified in temperature, with warmer layers higher up and cooler layers farther down. This is in contrast to the troposphere near the Earth’s surface, which is cooler higher up and warmer farther down.’
Doing a quick search it does appear the lower stratosphere is cooling.
ftp://ftp.ssmi.com/msu/graphics/tls/plots/rss_ts_channel_tls_global_land_and_sea_v03_3.png
where is that quote from egg?
wiki
Doing a quick search it does appear the lower stratosphere is cooling.
Yes, as predicted. Nice cherry pick, don’t mention the upper stratosphere! Change in lower stratosphere is mostly ozone depletion and with upper stratosphere it is CO2 related. You are a true denier, practising the same methods as your discredited sources – deliberate lies, distortions, cherry picking and misrepresentation of the facts.
Why does the stratosphere cool?
http://www.atmosphere.mpg.de/enid/20c.html
There are several reasons why the stratosphere is cooling. The two best understood are:
1) depletion of stratospheric ozone
2) increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/11/the-sky-is-falling/
…Laštovička et al point out that cooling trends are exactly as predicted by increasing greenhouse gas trends, and that the increase in density that this implies is causing various ionspheric layers to ‘fall’. This was highlighted a few years back by Jarvis et al (1998) and in New Scientist in 1999 (and I apologise for stealing their headline!).
The changes in the figure are related to the cooling seen in the lower stratospheric MSU-4 records (UAH or RSS), but the changes there (~ 15-20 km) are predominantly due to ozone depletion. The higher up one goes, the more important the CO2 related cooling is. It’s interesting to note that significant solar forcing would have exactly the opposite effect (it would cause a warming) – yet another reason to doubt that solar forcing is a significant factor in recent decades.
Stratospheric cooling is supposedly the evil twin of tropospheric warming, caused by humans depleting the ozone.
Anyway, climate is not weather and measuring from ‘the surface to 10km altitude is a rather robust measurement of atmospheric temperature …’
Sounds reasonable.
Just a bit on the politics, which has all the hallmarks of a conspiracy.
‘Salby, who has spoken twice at the Sydney Institute, hints his sacking might have been something to do with this op-ed in The Australian in April (he notes that some senior staff on the Climate Commission, which he criticises in the op ed, are also employed at Macquarie)’
‘You are a true denier,’
Thanks, noice to get a heads up in despatches. I’ll see Denialati HQ hears about it, leaving out this tripe…
‘practising the same methods as your discredited sources – deliberate lies, distortions, cherry picking and misrepresentation of the facts.’
You are hugely mistaken.
The thing is kitty, human induced CO2 didn’t cause the warming of last century. Graham Lloyd covers the conspiratorial line.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/climate-chair-left-high-and-dry-by-uni/story-e6frgcjx-1226677907258
Sounds like he was moonlighting and up to his old tricks of “Deceptive Conduct” which is why he was banned from the national science federation, probably shouldn’t have got a gig here in the first place. Wonder if anyone checked on his history?
Or, was he asked to apply here by the deniers, to deliberately cause academic mischief?
“We conclude that the Subject (Dr Salby) has engaged in a long-running course of deceptive conduct involving both his University and NSF. His conduct reflects a consistent willingness to violate rules and regulations, whether federal or local, for his personal benefit. This supports a finding that the Subject is not presently responsible, and we recommend that he be debarred for five years” [deSmogblog]
Graham Lloyd covers his misconduct, I think the uni is justified.
He doesn’t cover your false claim that “human induced CO2 didn’t cause the warming of last century” at all.
Yeah, I meant Lloyd covers the political aspect.
I’m going on what Salby said in Hamburg, it was nothing new. Essentially he said CO2 rises in response to increased temperatures and not, as your lot would have us believe, that increasing CO2 is leading to higher temperatures.
On the conspiracy theory I cannot say who to believe.
‘Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is reportedly set to announce plans to scrap the carbon tax as he prepares for an election.’
AAP
Abbott may have to go further than this lame response.
”This is just an election trick from the Prime Minister, who has always wanted families to pay the carbon tax.
”Only the Coalition will do the right thing by families to reduce their cost of living by scrapping the carbon tax, lock, stock and barrel.”
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/rudd-dumps-gillards-carbon-tax-20130713-2pxi3.html#ixzz2YxzWR8dz
And let’s not forget the high moral ground of our supreme leader.
The Climate Commission is a taxpayer-funded environmental activist group and needs to be dismantled.
This is the reason I’m soiling my ballot…. gorebull worming hysteria. A pox on both their houses.
“It is likely that for most if not all of the bipartisan-backed 2020 range of pollution reductions from 5 to 25%, our pollution permit price will be shaped by the European price,” Climate Institute chief executive John Connor said.
Guardian
What to do about kev’s ETS?
‘The best thing Abbot could do in response would be to scrap his proposed Direction Action Plan and come up with a proper plan to address the very real climate-related risks as detailed in Professor Carter’s new book.
‘After all, the Direction Action Plan was never about addressing climate change it was always just a plan to waste an awful lot of money on feel-good things like planting trees, that would never really address the issue of global warming, that no one was convinced Mr Abbot really believed in.
‘As long as the Australian public had a carbon tax to hate, Mr Abbott could perhaps hide behind this fig leaf of a policy. Now, given Mr Rudd’s plans to scrap the tax, the fig leaf is likely to become a liability.’
Jennifer Marohasy
‘Three out of five Australians don’t want to scrap the carbon tax if doing so damages government revenue, according to polling undertaken exclusively for Fairfax Media.’
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/most-want-to-keep-carbon-tax-poll-20130713-2px4d.html#ixzz2Z4Luiieb
‘So companies within Australia’s Carbon Tax net face $23/t-plus prices for only one year and then a significant reduction.
‘Added to that, we have a Coalition political opposition which has consistently pledged to scrap the carbon tax if elected.
‘Faced with that outlook, there is far from an adequate incentive to make the long term commitment in the necessary equipment to reduce greenhouse gas emissions at an industrial factory or plant in Australia.
‘In other words, we have the worst of all worlds – a complex and ineffective policy imposed by a minority political party.’
Phillip Hutchings (WUWT)
sreb, that twitter should be in the mainstream threads … not in egg’s backwater … just saying’ …
“why are the Liberals pledging $3.2b to abate it by the same amount as Labor is doing?”
Why indeed! (The real answer is politics, of course).
I like Latika, good question.
This is the reason I’m soiling my ballot…. gorebull worming hysteria. A pox on both their houses.
What are you so frightened of egg?
Linking to all the denier blogs that you can think of won’t change the established science and global consensus. Why are you so against people looking after our shared planet and not depleting it’s finite [and finely balanced] resources just for the profits for a wealthy few?
It’s just good housekeeping really, keeping the place clean and tidy and not cashing in all your resources for a quick and greedy profit and then being left with nothing.
Ah… CO2 doesn’t cause global warming and its my melancholy duty to inform you.
After the election someone should write a book …
The Illogic of Liberal
Leadership…I like how Abbott shits the anti-AGW zealots with his complicity in giving credence to that which they dismiss outright.
They don’t have a credible denier with actual, credible skin in the political game. Just fringe lunatics who also get on their soapboxes about abortion & other social conservative pet fetish issues along with their ClimateChangePhobia; like the Climate Sceptics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_Sceptics_Party
Hilariously, they list themselves as politically centrist! An absolute crock, that be.
‘I like how Abbott shits the anti-AGW zealots with his complicity in giving credence to that which they dismiss outright.’
It has been difficult, but hopefully he’ll come to his senses before the election.
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This from Jo Nova
‘We were told we needed a price on carbon specifically to increase our electricity prices, reduce emissions, and to cool global temperatures by zero degrees. Now, apparently the cost of living is too high — even though that was entirely predictable and indeed a mark of the tax’s “success”.
‘Instead of admitting it was a mistake, we’re “moving forward” and now we need to copy a trading scheme that hasn’t worked, and which is called “free” but is fixed by EU bureaucrats that neither we nor even Europeans can vote for. The New Zealanders are ahead of us.’
‘…pet fetish issues along with their ClimateChangePhobia; like the Climate Sceptics.’
I grant you Greg Hunt is a total fkn idiot, along with Malcolm.
Anyway it doesn’t matter, all those on the wrong side of history are in for a shock.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sun-s-bizarre-activity-may-trigger-another-ice-age-1.1460937
The LA Times covered the same story and had a footnote…
[For the Record, 10:43 a.m. PDT, July 12: An earlier version of this online post said the American Astrological Society had asked solar scientists to discuss the solar maximum. It was the American Astronomical Society.]
Journalism has gone to pot on the west coast.
Did anyone understand a word Greg Hunt uttered on Lateline last night?
Did Greg Hunt understand a word he uttered on Lateline last night?
‘A former correspondent for Australian Associated Press based in Port Moresby wrote this week of his observations of the “cowboys” who flocked to Papua New Guinea in pursuit of carbon credit riches.
‘He detailed the first arrival in 2009 of “carbon cowboys” offering villagers “sky money” for the right to use their land in international carbon trading schemes.
‘This led to alleged corruption of local officials who also stood to gain from these get-rich quick schemes.’
Julie Bishop (SMH)
‘The Climate Institute says a growing number of Australians reject the argument the carbon tax is based on false science and agree the impost should be given a go.
‘Attitudes about climate change were emerging from the shadows of the perceived “carbon tax lie”, institute CEO John Connor said.
“There is a sentiment of give carbon pricing a go,” he said in a statement.
The research found that two-thirds of Australians accept climate change science, with a majority believing it was having an impact.
“Opposition to carbon pricing has dropped significantly but that’s not to say the policy is popular or understood,” Mr Connor said.
AAP
‘The pain in Spain cannot be sustained. That’s the conclusion of the Spanish government, which is slashing its subsidies for wind power and other renewable energy as part of a deficit-fighting move.
‘Spain is the latest European country to cut subsidies for clean energy — following similar moves in the U.K., Germany and Italy — because they’re driving up costs for consumers.’
Forbes
Transcript of the Neil/Davey bout.
https://sites.google.com/site/mytranscriptbox/home/20130714_sp
Egg might enjoy this. Faster fast trains from someone who has a record of getting “extreme” ideas to market.
Thanks IPA, the future is now.
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Luv this stuff….. squash the watermelons with gusto.
‘LABOR has unleashed a political assault on the Greens over their vow to vote down a cut in the carbon price as Kevin Rudd seeks an election mandate for the reform in the hope of shoring up his party’s vote at the expense of its one-time alliance partner.
‘The Prime Minister’s top ministers turned on the Greens yesterday for opposing the plan to cut the cost of living, seeing it as proof of an “intransigence” that should be rejected at the ballot box. Climate Change Minister Mark Butler instructed his department this week to begin drafting the legislation to replace the carbon tax with an emissions trading scheme, in a show of Labor’s intent to win the election and enact the changes.’
David Crowe in the Oz
Its all coming together in the nick of time… found this on Yahoo.
‘If the Hyperloop or Evacuated Tube Transport was built and succeeded, it could make California’s current high-speed rail project obsolete. With a budgeted cost of $70 billion, the high-speed system currently under development would take passengers from San Francisco to L.A. in three hours, potentially six times slower than the Hyperloop.’
Does Tony Abbott know about this? Should somebody tell him?
“Evacuated Tube Transport”
I think I’ve got one of those in the bathroom.
Anyone had a look at Deltoid lately? It’s degenerated into a shit-flinging room of the lowest order. “Science Blogs” indeed! 🙄
LOL splatter
Had a look IPA and it does appear that Karen has taken over the place, she has accomplished what I could only dream of.
Victory Will Be Ours!
Good thing you pointed me in the direction of Deltoid, found the ship unmanned with a beautiful female at the helm.
I’ve been wandering about, expecting to be thrown overboard any minute, but its practically empty… except for Karen and me, a professor and a guy named Mike who was also surprised to find himself on Deltoid’s deck.
Mike and I agree that the professor (Jeff Harvey) is probably using us as guinea pigs in an experiment. This seems entirely plausible.
Quote by Nigel Lawson, former Chancellor of the Exchequer of UK: “In Europe, where climate change absolutism is at its strongest, the quasi-religion of greenery in general and the climate change issue in particular have filled the vacuum of organised religion, with reasoned questioning of its mantras regarded as a form of blasphemy.”
‘Why does our own Parliament not give sceptical or luke-warmist scientists at least a hearing before spending billions we don’t have on programs that don’t make a difference to a warming that’s actually paused and which probably wouldn’t be a problem anyway?’
Andrew Bolt
‘The science journal Nature said only last week that the global temperature standstill “is one of the biggest mysteries in climate science.”
‘So many climate modelers have been waiting, with apparently increasing frustration, for the upward trend to recur. It’s in their models you see. The very ones they find very hard to tweek to reproduce a 15-year hiatus. The exercise is an important one, for it demonstrates, or undermines, faith in climate models. Can they reproduce the standstill, and predict its end?’
David Whitehouse
Here is a perspective on global warming which may give a better idea of our predicament.
The British Brainwashing Corporation searches for answers for the hiatus.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23409404
Price of coffee to go up because of a cold air outbreak (CAO) in Brazil.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-23/arabica-coffee-gains-before-brazil-cold-weather-cocoa-advances.html
You may hear a lot over the coming months that the missing heat is to been found in the deep oceans. Honestly…
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/science/article3822911.ece
This time last year the North Pole began to melt and a large pond developed. At the moment it isn’t happening…
This is not an indication that global warming has stopped.
…and here’s a pic of home.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/multimedia/pia17171.html#.UfHKC458d5g
I see you are in here again muttering to yourself Egg. Preaching to the converted. Would you like a cup of tea?
Yeah, this thread is dead.
Elsewhere on the blogosphere I’m recognised as a second class satirist, with my global cooling meme, but don’t get many laffs around here
egg
you are strange. A Labor supporter who thinks CO2 does not cause global warming.
What make you different from other Labor supporters??
Most Conservatives are suspicious of AGW.
I’m sitting on the fence nils and intend voting informal, until a politician tells the truth on CC.
I remember that question from my days at Sunday School. Did not Pilate ask that question, What is truth??
How do you know that AGW is wrong?? A lot of people believe in it.
And it will be bad for science if it is proved wrong.
I suspect that most labor supporters go into science to prove AGW correct. Therefore it can never be proved wrong since the people doing the research are believers.
” Yeah, this thread is dead. ”
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that`s coz the issue is egg,
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did you see Dick Smith on the telly this week.?
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if you did, you may have noticed that 2/3 of the coal we did up goes off-shore, which loops back into what l was saying about `political`will and Asia will be making any future decisions in this area
egg_ your link off rostrum-13
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‘ ‘ Either way, the monk will have your lad for lunch. ‘ ‘
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-02/climate-change-authority-wants-increase-in-carbon-target/4860276
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to read that this shallow report helps either Mr-Rabbit or Kevin07 misses the point,
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we export 2/3`s of the coal we dig up, none of any Aus-Govts fiddle at the fringes will have any effect on the majority 2/3`s of that coal,
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do you see what l mean when when l say, the decision is out of Aus hands, and now in the hands of Asia.?
When I said the monk will have Rudd for lunch, I was speaking tongue in cheek and ToM replied that the Ruddster is not his lad. My bad, but he did seem enthusiastic and I assumed he had money on ‘the lad’.
‘to read that this shallow report helps either Mr-Rabbit or Kevin07 misses the point,’
No, that’s why I’m voting informal, because Canberra is full of political hypocrites.
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/books/one-side-of-a-hot-issue-20130802-2r4ey.html
Just noticed your questions nils.
‘How do you know that AGW is wrong?? A lot of people believe in it.’
This pause in global warming as CO2 continues to rise is a fair indication, but obviously its going to require a revolution in ideas to change peoples mindset.
Mass delusion is widespread, among blue collar workers and professionals alike, with public servants most prone.
‘And it will be bad for science if it is proved wrong.’
Only climate scientists who aided and abetted mass delusion, the Klimatariat should face court for scaring the living daylights out of a couple of generations of young people. Fuck them!
Most atmospheric scientists should avoid sanction and only the hierarchy will be academically humiliated …. their careers finished. The scientific foot solders will be needed to record the global cooling tipping within a few years.
‘I suspect that most labor supporters go into science to prove AGW correct. Therefore it can never be proved wrong since the people doing the research are believers.’
The whole peer review system has broken down, which is why we have Post Normal Science on the blogosphere.
People from all political persuasions have been brainwashed, to one degree or another.
well done egg, nice find
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/books/one-side-of-a-hot-issue-20130802-2r4ey.html
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it is a good example of what l am talking about,
the junk-science book is correctly filed in `entertainment` (notice_the_URL)
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actually l`m surprised the FairFox lot are bright enough to have worked this out
Yes, much amusement amongst the subs.
“Mass delusion is widespread, among blue collar workers and professionals alike, with public servants most prone.”
I think you are right. It is almost like a lot of people actually want to believe in AGW. It has all the hallmarks of religion rather than science.
And the usual suspects believe in it. If “The Left” believes in it this can only mean it is false because most of what they believe turns out to be wrong. I suspect Abbott says “the right” things because he does not want to lose votes. And it looks like Hunt actually believes in AGW. But Hunt has policies that even if they do not reduce CO2 will be good for the environment anyway.
The Carbon Farming Initiative is plain dumb.
‘A University of Melbourne survey of hundreds of Australian studies going back three decades found that using the country’s soils to offset a significant proportion of national greenhouse gases ‘is technically limited and economically unviable at the present time.
‘Published in the journal Nature Scientific Reports, it suggests farmers would lose out through soil-carbon projects at carbon prices backed by both the government and the opposition…
‘At the current carbon price – $24.15 per tonne – farmers would stand to lose at least $12 per tonne for carbon farming under normal soil conditions, the researchers found.
‘The shortfall under the government’s plan would be even greater if its decision to move to a floating carbon price from next July is implemented. At Tuesday’s announcement of the plan to shift from a fixed to a floating carbon price a year earlier than scheduled, the government estimated the price would drop to as low as $6 a tonne…
‘Sequestering carbon would likely be restricted to the top 10 centimetres of soil, and be limited by low-nutrient levels and water scarcity. Application of fertiliser would boost the sink capacity of soils but at a rising cost to farmers,’ Professor Roush said.
‘Carbon is slow to accumulate in the soil, and the agricultural methods mostly likely to encourage it, such as no-till farming, are already widely used.’
Rick Roush, Dean of the Melbourne School of Land and Environment in The Land newspaper.
‘Two minor parties, Family First and the Liberal Democratic Party, which have outlined their positions on climate change measures, oppose all such expenditure. Many in the Coalition also favour this approach, given the uncertainty about any damage done by climate change and the trivial effect Australia might have on this. Such views are consistent with those of Danish economist Bjorn Lomborg who, referring to Germany’s climate policies, in an estimate nobody has contested, says $100bn of costs would delay the amount of global warming, should this be taking place, by just 37 minutes.
‘Even for true believers in human-induced climate change the injurious effects appear to be receding. The Economist has published draft material from the next report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change which appears to halve the 3C warming forecast of the 2007 report. This comes after 16 years of no global temperature change and is closer to the forecast by the world’s leading atmospheric physicist, Richard Lindzen, of 1C human induced warming (most of which he estimates has already taken place). A 1C change is little different from the temperature oscillations over the centuries.’
Alan Moran / Oz
‘In a letter to CEFC chair Jillian Broadbent, Mr Abbott on Monday reiterated the coalition’s policy in regards to the corporation.
“As you are aware, the coalition does not support the CEFC or the expenditure of $10 billion of borrowed money on projects which the private sector has deemed too risky to invest in,” Mr Abbott wrote.
“As is normal practice under caretaker provisions, I request that the CEFC (as a Commonwealth authority) immediately ceases to assess or make any further approvals or payments.”
‘If elected, the coalition on day one would suspend the CEFC and prepare legislation to shut it down permanently.’
AAP
…‘I suspect that most labor supporters go into science to prove AGW correct. Therefore it can never be proved wrong since the people doing the research are believers.’..
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getting all the excuses and conspiracies ready for when left with egg on face? “I still don’t believe it, it’s a worldwide political conspiracy by labor leaning scientists” 😆
gross ignorance of science, scientific endeavour and the research process.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Alan_Moran
The Deregulation Unit of the IPA
This unit of the IPA was set up in Melbourne, Victoria, with funding by the Australian tobacco company WD & HO Wills, which is a subsidiary of British-American Tobacco…
…In a talk given in Australia on 20 February 2006, Clive Hamiliton (director of The Australia Institute) identifies Alan Moran as one of Australia’s climate change “dirty dozen”…
The Dirty Politics of Climate Change:
Click to access WP84.pdf
This is shaping-up as something that will arse-fcuk the cranks long before anything their junk-science identifies.
Get with the times egg. The cranks need to start denying the existence of poultry.
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‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ The case of a father and daughter in China who both became infected with H7N9 bird flu provides the strongest evidence yet that the virus can transmit from person to person, experts say. The father, a 60-year-old living in the Jiangsu province of eastern China, fell ill about five to six days after he visited a live poultry market in March, according to a new report that details the case today (Aug. 6) in the British Medical Journal. The man’s 32-year-old daughter, who became ill about two weeks later, did not visit poultry markets, but did spend several days caring for her sick father before he was admitted to the hospital. Both patients became severely ill, developing fevers and pneumonia, and later died from the disease. Genetic testing revealed that the patients were infected with nearly identical strains of H7N9. The most likely explanation for these cases is that the father became infected with H7N9 from a poultry market (or the poultry he purchased there), and then he passed the virus directly to his daughter,’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/china-reports-first-case-on-h7n9-human-to-human-transmission/
Take your fkn poultry story elsewhere and stop trying to derail the serious discussion on ‘carbon polllution’.
‘gross ignorance of science, scientific endeavour and the research process.’
Yeah, you got it bad.
‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Take your fkn poultry story elsewhere ‘ ‘ ‘
last week, you were crying coz your thread is dead,
and l have been trying to show you working examples of how and why your `topic` and thread are largely dead among the majority of the population,
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‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ and stop trying to derail ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
l`m not, that`s your job Dumpty 🙂
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‘ ‘ ‘ the serious discussion on ‘carbon polllution’. ‘ ‘ ‘
guffaw! ., . this aint it
‘and l have been trying to show you working examples of how and why your `topic` and thread are largely dead among the majority of the population’
Abbott should win comfortably, then rip down the tax and green machine because the ‘science is crap’. A majority of Australians have not be brainwashed.
‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ (Go!)Abbott should win comfortably,’ ‘ ‘ ‘
he won`t
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‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ then rip down the tax and green machine because the ‘science is crap’. ‘ ‘ ‘
won`t be possible
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‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ A majority of Australians have not be brainwashed.’ ‘ ‘ ‘
the majority have moved on, junk-science is only scaring frightened politicians, keeping un-intelligent media chattering, and supplying an enemy for the fringe-green-types. The fringe-green verses junk-science battles now only amuse themselves. The junk-science crowd are now ignored by the industries that will determine aspects of our lives. lt has little to nothing to do with the-tax, or even politicians as it has now been removed from their hands.
The tax will be dismantled along with the clean energy future… the financial savings will be humungous.
You are out of your depth dickhead, go back to poles and wires.
The Climate models are no more scientific than Lysenko’s theories were, and they serve the same purpose – corrupting science to accord with the wishes of leftists politicians. And they will occupy a similar place in the history of science.
Retardland is sadly typical of those who are only to happy with the political consequences of climate “science” to bother to think for themselves about it (assuming they have that capacity).
Yes, totally agree.
‘ ‘ stop trying to derail ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ the serious discussion ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ”
‘ ‘ ‘ You are out of your depth ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘dickhead, go back to ‘ ‘ ” ‘ ‘ ‘
and you wonder why the junk-science topic and your thread is dead *shrill* *go_abbott* *unhinged*
You are in the back room at Trash, a political science thread, do you have a question?
Wattsy is amongst the top five on WordPress. Just sayin’
ln the race to destroy the planet junk-science is not pulling it`s weight.
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Fukushima can show you how.
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‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ An estimated 300 tonnes of contaminated water is spilling daily into the ocean. How come Tepco insists the leaks still pose no big threat ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
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‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ The Japanese authorities have been covering up the true depth of the disaster because they don`t want to embarrass themselves and the global nuclear industry and they are trying to open up another nuclear plant in Japan. When the Japanese people now find out that the accident is worse than we thought and they have been leaking many tons of radioactive water into the Pacific Ocean for almost two and a half years, this is a catastrophe. Tokyo Electric has no idea how to control this accident. This is absolutely terrifying after two and a half years. To find out that these reactors have been out of control, now that they can`t control this they don`t know what`s going on.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/water-leaks-at-fukushima-nuclear-plant-could-contaminate-entire-pacific-ocean/
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Yay for unbridled corporate profits.
Hmmm…..
Hate media gives the Monk a leg up in time for the first debate.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/europe-pulls-the-plug-on-its-green-future/story-e6frg8y6-1226694405337
More ammunition for the Abbott camp … I’ll just borrow ToM’s dot points for this exercise.
* Coldest summer on record at the North Pole
* Highest August Arctic ice extent since 2006
* Record high August Antarctic ice extent
* No major hurricane strikes for eight years
* Slowest tornado season on record
* No global warming for 17 years
* Second slowest fire season on record
* Four of the five snowiest northern hemisphere winters have occurred since 2008
Post Normal Science (PNS)
Bending over for Junk-science will never wipe-out mankind. lt is just Sexually Transmitted Stupidity.
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Junk-science needs to lift it`s game.
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‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Doctors are warning that a drug-resistant strain of gonorrhea could be more deadly than AIDS, and are urging members of US Congress to spend $54 million for the development of a drug that would fight it. This might be a lot worse than AIDS in the short run because the bacteria is more aggressive and will affect more people quickly, ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
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‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ The new strain of gonorrhea, H041, was first discovered in 2009 after a sex worker fell victim to the superbug in Japan. Medical officials reported that the medication-resilient ”sex superbug” was discovered in Hawaii in May 2011, and has since spread to California and Norway,’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
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‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Getting gonorrhea from this strain might put someone into septic shock and death in a matter of days, ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
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http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/worse-than-aids-sex-superbug-called-disaster-waiting-to-happen/
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Yay bend over for Junk-science. Go abbott!
Will they ever lift the quality of Junk-science.?
More ammunition for the Monk…. a South Sea Bubble.
* Germany is a green basket case
* Two weeks ago the Czech Government decided to end all subsidies.
* Spain owes €126bn to renewable energy investors.
* In Spain more than 5,000 solar entrepreneurs face bankruptcy without the subsidies.
* EU leaders now officially list affordable energy as being more important than greenhouse emissions.
Channelling Nova
“Will they ever lift the quality of Junk-science.?”
Maybe you should address that to the junk scientists of Hockey Team. Ask them when they are going to publish their data and calculations so we can check them before wasting hundreds of billions of dollars.
Trouble is there is too much moral hazard for these fools ever to admit even doubt – the funding, the celebrity, the government sinecures. Just because you say that sea levels will rise doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t have a house by the water – just ask Flannery.
For so long as science is politicised it will tend towards junk. All you have top do is scare the crap out of the populace and then ask for protection money. As HL Mencken said:
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
Once you eliminate the junk you are left with the null hypothesis – natural variation.
Have you ever considered publishing an e-book or guest authoring on other
blogs? I have a blog based upon on the same ideas you
discuss and would love to have you share some stories/information.
I know my viewers would enjoy your work. If you’re even remotely interested, feel free to shoot me an e-mail.
‘Once you eliminate the junk you are left with the null hypothesis – natural variation.’
Yes… and the possibility of global cooling within a few years.
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
l thought that was the lraq, Korea, Vietnam invasion plan.
Retardland, negative politics still dominates the Australian election campaign. Esentially because it works. It is therefore no surprise to see the kooky climate carpet-baggers cashing in on it.
As to your other examples, the desire of North Vietnam to impose communism on the South was in fact very real, and with the help of its Western stooges in the anti-war movement, it was able to achieve it. The people of South Vietnam have had 30 years of poverty, misery and death as a result. At least South Korea was spared the communist dystopia that still infects the North. No doubt the anti-war activists would be much happier if all Korea was united in praise of the Dear Leader.
I invited the Deltoid mob over to the back room and this was one wit’s reply.
‘Now, you are not dealing here with the kind of drooling halfwits who infest the other blogs you frequent – here your complete absence of intellectual rigour can only be interpreted as either incurable ignorance or compulsive dishonesty.’
Luv the biff.
Just paid a visit to Deltoid. It is just a bunch of open threads. No posts. Has Lambert lost his job??
He lost his mind long ago, but in climate science that doesn’t stop you keeping your job.
Not sure what happened to Timmy, except that it appears to be a family matter.
Anyhoo, the ship is open to pillage, lots of colourful abuse and my straight man gig has the crowd laffing.
A poster at Catallaxy said Lambert had lost his job.
It appears that AGW is not a big issue at this election. I think people are sick of paying higher power bills because of all these green schemes.
What i can’t work out is that inflation is low but power, insurance, rent and all kinds of stuff have increased in price considerably. But they say inflation is low. makes no sense.
‘A poster at Catallaxy said Lambert had lost his job.’
OK ta.
‘What i can’t work out is that inflation is low but power, insurance, rent and all kinds of stuff have increased in price considerably. But they say inflation is low. makes no sense.’
It might be stagflation.
This is a good read.
http://www.thegwpf.org/study-modern-climate-alarms-resemble-pre-modern-ideas-divine-punishment/
A good analysis of these old testament prophets of doom and gloom and their ridiculous millenarianism , egg.
Meanwhile it appears that the new religion is losing traction somewhat.
Millenarian fever has taken root in Western democracies, with the aid of the state and sophisticated propaganda.
I wonder if these charlatans will ever admit their mistake? Politicised science is a cancer on common sense and rational thinking but the promoters of it have been rewarded with fame and fortune and will do everything possible to deny their mistakes. It will probably take a generation for science to clean its house.
The biggest problem we have is trying to convert the masses, particularly the young, away from the idea that CO2 causes global warming.
This harmless and beneficial trace gas has been much maligned in recent times and many scientists have benefitted. You may be correct , splatter, it could take a generation to purge the science establishment. It depends on what Tony does with the Klimatariat.
Here’s von Storch, a respected scientist, on the lack of warming.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-hans-von-storch-on-problems-with-climate-change-models-a-906721.html
MIT paper on
global warmingclimate changeglobal climate disruption:‘Climate Change Policy: What Do the Models Tell Us?
‘Very little. A plethora of integrated assessment models (IAMs) have been constructed and used to estimate the social cost of carbon (SCC) and evaluate alternative abatement policies. These models have crucial flaws that make them close to useless as tools for policy analysis: certain inputs (e.g. the discount rate) are arbitrary, but have huge effects on the SCC estimates the models produce; the models’ descriptions of the impact of climate change are completely ad hoc, with no theoretical or empirical foundation; and the models can tell us nothing about the most important driver of the SCC, the possibility of a catastrophic climate outcome. IAM-based analyses of climate policy create a perception of knowledge and precision, but that perception is illusory and misleading.’
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The trajectory of this scam is now in its downward phase. It’s almost crash and burn time.
It began in the 90s with an attempt to bum-rush the public – the science was in. Fat Albert Gore made a fortune out of peddling lies, while refusing every offer to debate the issues. At first few people spoke up against this mad theory. The silence was filled by the prognostications of the Hockey Team claiming 99% confidence and agreement from all credible scientists. The hockey stick graph (1999) looked damning. By 2005 this was exposed as worthless, being based on fudged statistics.
By Copenhagen (2010) we were told that that was the last chance for the world to take action. But now, three years later, the time has passed and you would think that, the time for action having passed, we should be looking at mitigation strategies if and when the temperatures actually start going up alarmingly. Instead the shrill hypocrites who have profited most from this scam are doubling down, ensuring their names will be forever associated with this episode of scientific debasement.
My vote for hero of this saga goes to Steve McIntyre, a gifted amateur with a much greater knowledge of statistics than the actual tenured professors involved in the scam. It was delicious to read, in the climategate emails, their admissions that they didn’t even understand the points McIntyre was making. Phil Jones admitted great difficulty in using Excel. ln short order McIntyre demolished the hockey stick graph, identified the hide-the-decline ‘trick’, pointed out that the fools had used upside-down graphs from the Tjander data series, exposed the errors Steig’s study which purported to show Antarctic warming and identified the selective use of data in the Yamal studies.
A lot of what McIntyre achieved was by virtue having the skills to reverse-engineer the models since the ‘scientists’ would not allow their data and methods to be checked, even while they were demanding we bet the planet on their wretched theories.
The real challenge is to ensure that science is not politicised like this again.
“New Zealand scaled back its target for reducing carbon emissions today, saying the move was an interim step ahead of a new United Nations pact from 2020.
The government said it would commit to cutting greenhouse gas emissions to 5 per cent below 1990 levels by 2020. It had previously indicated that it would look at a cut of 10 per cent to 20 per cent.
“In deciding this target, the government has carefully balanced the cost to New Zealand households and businesses against taking ambitious action to tackle climate change,” Climate Change Minister Tim Groser said in a statement.
Last November, New Zealand said it would commit to an emmissions reduction target under the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, which is not a legal treaty, rather than sign up to second deal under the Kyoto Protocol.
It had previously said its target would be influenced by global progress in tackling emissions, particularly in major developing economies such as China and India.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets-live/markets-live-anz-slump-weighs-20130816-2s0g4.html#ixzz2c6rqFXCE
egg_ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ” ‘ ‘ The biggest problem we have is trying to convert the masses, particularly the young, away from the idea that CO2 causes global warming.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
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lt is a hard job egg, as l pointed out above, since the Copenhagen collapse, the world`s population has moved-on, and Junk-science won`t gain much more traction, or recruit many new cranks. The crank population will go into freefall.
Not sure what you are actually saying 2.30 …. can you elucidate?
What measures is Junk-science taking to ensure Junk-science Cranks do not become extinct.?
Imagine we are standing in a room having a quiet chat. What exactly are you trying to say?
‘While some in the blogosphere are arguing that the recent pause or stagnation is coming close to ‘falsifying’ the climate models, this is an incorrect interpretion of these results. The issue is the fitness-for-purpose of the climate models for climate change detection and attribution on decadal to multi-decadal timescales.
‘In view of the climate model underestimation of natural internal variability on multi-decadal time scales and failure to simulate the recent 15+ years ‘pause’, the issue of fitness for purpose of climate models for detection and attribution on these time scales should be seriously questioned. And these deficiencies should be included in the ‘expert judgment’ on the confidence levels associated with the IPCC’s statements on attribution.’
Judith Curry
‘Cast your mind back five years or so, and it’s obvious why all the politicians jumped on the global warming bandwagon. Climate hysteria was at a peak and if you believed the mainstream media, all the people appeared to be clamouring for government action to prevent a global disaster. The politicians all fought each other to claim the distinction of being the one who could save the planet the most, because quite simply it got them votes and any other position would have lost them votes. No other reason.
‘For a few of them, the solutions being offered to avert the catastrophe, such as the all-powerful centralised state, redistribution of wealth, anti-capitalism and anti-globalisation, appealed to what can only be termed their basic neo-luddite Marxist tendencies. There was also a certain element of wag the dog, since a predominantly left-wing mainstream media subscribed to many of those same noble sentiments and to swim against a tide that strong would attract a lot of negative coverage. Politicians know better than to go against such a tide and anyway, they also know tides have a habit of turning.
‘They all became greener than green. The only exceptions were the leaders of the essentially non-democratic countries, who did nothing at all to combat the illusory threat of global warming, which they rightly perceived as a transient but perhaps profitable aberration of the decadent democracies.’
Pointman
Even the smallest bug like this is storming across the planet killing the occasional person and slaughtering chooks in the tens of thousands.
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Codling, Watts and their Junk-science will never achieve the destruction of mankind. Have they even managed to kill just one chook.?
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‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Half a million chickens are to be culled in a district on the outskirts of Nepal’s capital Kathmandu, as efforts to combat a major outbreak of bird flu are stepped up. Tens of thousands of birds have already been killed in what government officials have described as one of the country’s worst outbreaks of avian flu.’ ‘ ‘ ‘
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‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘ Nepal’s first outbreak of bird flu was in January 2009. H5N1, a common strain of bird flu, has killed 377 people globally between 2003 until July 5 this year, according to the World Health Organization. No human deaths from bird flu have been reported in Nepal.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ ‘
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2013/08/17/nepal-to-cull-500000-chickens-near-kathmandu-to-combat-major-bird-flu-outbreak-declares-emergency-zone/
Give up the KoolAid, you are rambling incoherently on everything but CO2.
The c02-Junk-science is just not an effective weapon these days, the rest of world have moved-on.
Listen short arse, the junk science is what comes out of the Klimatariat … the Department of Climate Change and IPCC.
You may take some comfort in the knowledge that millions of Australians think like you.
The Junk-science is the Nova, Watts, Post-Reality-Science-free stuff you peddle egg.
You know nothing.
This might help getting you started.
http://www.climatedebatedaily.com/
More in your line of thinking 1.20, after October 13, 2011 there was a steep fall in discussion about climate change on the blogosphere. Would you like to hazard a guess on the catalyst.
l`m sure your co-cranks will find something `mystical` about Oct-2011, which is well after the copenhagen collapse. l don`t understand the `graphing` of random blogs either, as the paid/corp blogs, like bolt, piers, janet, devine just have a `dance`list which they hammer away at, in a regular cycle.
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Trying to `chart` unpaid/citizen blogs would be as meaningful as nailing Jelly to the wall.
Further proof that global warming is bad for the economy!
Understanding Sock Puppetry…. BJ to Karen at Deltoid.
‘I notice that you did not actually deny your sock-puppetry.
‘For Fatso’s information, KarenMackSunspot also shared idiosyncratic ellipsis incapacity with socks Sunspot and Mack, and also a peculiar overlap of posting session times when the socks first emerged. They all post(ed) links to abstracts that don’t mean what they think they mean. They all use the same language style, and the same way of referencing me. They all hate my guts with the same spiteful venom because I have pointed out innumerable errors on the puppeteer’s part. Sunspot especially was eviscerated on countless occasions and couldn’t handle the fact and forgot to turn off his peculiar brand of spite when he put on subsequent socks…
‘Further, one sock always appeared when another had been soundly whipped, and in the case of “Mack” when Sunspot was first confined to a dump thread. For a while whenever one sock needed some moral support another would chip in with astonishingly vapid praise, completely divorced from any grounding in logic, science or basic mathematical understanding.
‘I documented other tells but I’ll be stuffed if I can be bothered to find the original post. It’s sufficient to say that Karen is Mack and Sunspot, and he has never once put forward a counter to the professionally-produced science of climate change that has withstood more than 30 seconds scrutiny.’
Science is a morality play.
http://www.nature.com/news/just-thinking-about-science-triggers-moral-behavior-1.13616
The scribe who usually resides in this back room has now removed himself to Deltoid, a robust environment, yet lacking in humour.
Egg
It is really hot right now. And it is still officially winter Do you think this is due to global warming or just natural variability??
Natural variability.
Mate all the snow is melting. I hope you are right about global cooling. I hate the heat. The cold I can deal with.
I think the hot winter has arrived just in time for all the research scientists to put the information into their research proposals. They just say we need to do something otherwise Threbo will have no snow. Send more money.
The alarmists will be out in force, Killer Summer Looms … they will make shit up. My guess it will be a average to below average spring because the Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) is negative and should produce rain over the south east.
ENSO is still neutral and Australia is surrounded from Perth to Sydney with warm water… and the ants are behaving as if we are in for a big wet.
Just checked out Doltoid. Luke is most amusing.
The Deltoidians severely bullied me for awhile, then my old mate Luke turned up and put the boot into them. Luke Walker is a better swearer and can be amusing at times.
Several years ago on Tim Dunlop’s blog (’06 or ’07, I think) I had a rolling debate with Lotharsson, during which I queried how many years pause would see him renounce his warmenism. 15 years would do it, he said, but he’s probably moved on from that.
Marginally zealous!
‘…but he’s probably moved on from that.’
He said that even a hiatus of 30 years wouldn’t change his mind. Loth is brainwashed.
“Loth is brainwashed.”
He’s got too much baggage.
He’s like a rocking-chair-sitting shotgun-toting hillbillly, refusing to believe every young buck in the district has removed his daughter’s knickers.
Just as a historical aside and curiosity, here’s one of the threads in question. Lotharsson stars as himself, with yours truly as Tony of South Yarra. A few other names you might recognise are scaper, Adrian of Nowra (Mobius Ecko), James of Elwood (Ol’ Sancty), Tom of Melbourne, TB Queensland, Min, reb of bangkok(!), and Meta (in various guises, including ‘Discovery, invention, and storytelling’, ‘On the Science of Climate Change’, ‘Chillies Are Hot’, ‘ 1492…’, and ‘Hypothetically Speaking’).
Thanks for that IPA, its a small world.
I think Climate Change is something the so-called intelligent people are supposed to believe in.
The topic seems to attract the people who believe they are morally superior to anyone else. That is Labor supporters and Greens
It’s remarkable that so many of them who continue lurk here are
too weak willedshy about expressing their opinions.What I find at Deltoid is plenty of biff.
A trip down memory lane.
Witness the rockshifter’s unfulfilled fantasies of yore. Much like his fantasies of today.
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Just as a historical aside and curiosity
And I haven’t changed my stance one bit, ToSY … the only difference is that I now own a 1Kw and a 3.3Kw solar system and generate more than enough power to sustain our daily consumption (24 hours if I need to go all the way with a storage system)… I have solar powered security lights, solar powered shed lights and solar powered pond aeration, solar charger for my AA, AAA and 9v batteries …
I do believe in walking the talk … 😉
Deltoid is under a DOS attack and is as slow as treacle … so I’m doing a Farnham until the problem is rectified over there.
A new paper out suggests ENSO is a major player in climate change and has caused the hiatus in temperatures over the past 15 years. Naturally those with a sceptical mind automatically jump to the conclusion that the warming of late last century, to a great degree, was also caused by ENSO.
There is more to this story, but I’ll leave it there.
“We only achieve an 80 per cent cut in emissions by purchasing in that year alone over $150 billion worth – that’s right, $150bn – of carbon credits from abroad,” Mr Abbott said.
“This is by far the biggest wealth transfer from Australians to foreigners that’s ever been contemplated.
“The carbon tax hits households, threatens jobs and damages the economy without, it turns out, ever significantly reducing Australia’s domestic emissions,” Mr Abbott said.
More to the point…
‘Deltoid is under a DOS attack and is as slow as treacle …’
‘In computing, a denial-of-service attack (DoS attack) or distributed denial-of-service attack (DDoS attack) is an attempt to make a machine or network resource unavailable to its intended users. Although the means to carry out, motives for, and targets of a DoS attack may vary, it generally consists of efforts to temporarily or indefinitely interrupt or suspend services of a host connected to the Internet.’
Wiki
I am surprised this hasn’t been mentioned during the election.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/australia-has-warmest-year-on-record-bom/story-fn3dxiwe-1226710010303
“The Bureau of Meteorology (BoM) announced on Tuesday that Australians have experienced the hottest 12-months on record, with a host of historical highs toppled.”
The whole msm is running with it Nils, but its only weather. More importantly, another paper has come out pointing to ENSO as one of the main drivers of world temperatures.
‘All other things being equal, a period dominated by a high frequency of El Niño-like conditions will result in global warming, whereas a period dominated by a high frequency of La Niña-like conditions will result in global cooling.
‘Overall, the results imply that natural climate forcing associated with ENSO is a major contributor to temperature variability and perhaps a major control knob governing Earth’s temperature.’
de Freitas and McLean 2013
Kneel`s link is a great example of what l have been saying egg.
The Junk-science `show` is just about over,
even teh-oz is happy run straight aap/wires without distorting it into a culture-war/propaganda-promotion, that`s a real bad sign for junk-science addicts.
You know nothing.
Here is another new paper that links angular momentum with the two gas giants and our star’s activity.
http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=36513&#reference
What do you think 1.20?
People forget how new modern science is. How long has it been since we could get accurate temperature measurements of the whole world??
I think temperature is cyclical. If modern science arrived during a cyclical downturn people would be saying different things.
What I find amazing is how normally intelligent and careful people are so quick to come to a conclusion.
Good points Nils.
Its a little known fact that James Cook and botanist Banks thought Botany Bay was an ideal place to set up camp, with fast flowing streams and tall grass … it was a La Nina year. Banks (ignorant of ENSO) told the Admiralty that it was a good spot to start a convict colony, but when they arrived El Nino was just about to make a big impact.
It was a close run thing at Port jackson, they almost perished because of the severe dryness and crop failure.
If Cook and Banks had arrived in an El Nino year its unlikely the Admiralty would have chosen Australia as a convict colony and we may have become a French speaking nation.
‘People forget how new modern science is. How long has it been since we could get accurate temperature measurements of the whole world??’
That’s true, now they can compare ground measurements, balloon and satellite readings, Argo buoys in the oceans, its extraordinary. What they know for certain is that temperatures have remained flat since the end of last century, even as CO2 continues to rise at a phenomenal rate.
‘What I find amazing is how normally intelligent and careful people are so quick to come to a conclusion.’
The propaganda has been insidious, snaring people from all walks of life, professionals and blue collar workers alike. So in this respect it has less to do with intelligence and is more faith based, similar to religion.
guffaw …. Holmes is a fkn idiot.
‘And yet what hasn’t changed is the scientific consensus. As our interest has waned, the scientists’ warnings have become more urgent, not less; the degree of certainty that global warming is happening, and is human-induced, has increased, not diminished.
‘Maybe the scientists are wrong. Maybe, in 20 years, people like me will be shamefacedly admitting we were duped by a conspiracy of greenies; or the scientists themselves will confess they followed the money and not the evidence.
‘But I doubt it. Far more likely, in 20 years’ time, it will be all too obvious that the science was right all along. Global temperatures and sea levels will be remorselessly rising, and it will by then be vastly more difficult and expensive to slow the process, let alone to reverse it.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/from-great-moral-challenge-to-indifference-20130903-2t355.html#ixzz2ds3AFDTI
Consensus Shattered
Less than 1% of scientists believe humans have created global warming and have written papers to support their beliefs.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11191-013-9647-9
So when ever you hear that 97% of scientists agree that AGW is real … its closer to 0.03%.
That should be 0.3%.
“So when ever you hear that 97% of scientists agree that AGW is real”
Do they mean 97% of ALL scientists or 97% of Climate scientists??
Supposedly climate scientists. A Queensland academic came up with the 97% figure, now accepted as flawed by academia, which gives a very clear picture of how propaganda works.
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‘GREENS leader Christine Milne has drawn Tony Abbott’s daughters into the climate change debate, claiming the Opposition Leader “doesn’t care” what happens to them in 2050.
‘In an address to the National Press Club the minor party leader stressed voters needed to ensure the Greens maintained the balance of power in the Senate to “Abbott-proof” the upper house and ensure the Coalition does not have unfettered power to legislate.’
Lauren Wilson/Oz
I guess climate science is a relatively new field. Perhaps some of these people want to bignote themselves by finding something “big”
Back to my point that modern science is relatively new. It should be remembered that personal computers only came into being in a big way in 1983. Before that if you needed to use a computer you would have had to use a mainframe which meant punch cards and a lot of hassle.
But in late 1983 you could buy an Apple 11E. I guess a lot of climate science would not exist without computers.
Another good point Nils, their computer models became the gospels of AGW and they are all flawed. The planet is not coming to a catastrophic end, which should be a time of rejoicing, but the warmists are not happy.
And the Klimatariat continues to find excuses for the lack of warming over the past 15 years.
One problem with all this of AGW is proved wrong. People will not trust scientists.
Most climate scientists will not be blamed for what has happened, only the hierarchy of the Klimatariat deserve to be censured and publicly humiliated.
Its going to take time to debrief the masses, you may have friends, family and work mates who have been brainwashed into thinking CO2 causes global warming. Even if you have a grasp of the science, you still won’t be believed.
On this blog alone we get a fair indication of the problem and the difficulty in debriefing otherwise intelligent people.
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‘This trace gas has almost nothing to do with planetary warming or climate change. But it’s worth noting that the United States has slashed its CO2 emissions more than almost any other country—sending them back to where they were 30 years ago, thanks to the environmentalists’ latest target: fracking! And the daily human contribution of CO2 to our atmosphere is equivalent to a penny out of $1 million!’
Paul Driessen
Climate Change is no longer a political football in Australia and its reasonable to think that its no longer newsworthy. This is certainly the case in the US.
Its not generally known that sunspot activity during most of last century was at a 8000 year high.
It was because of this that the earth had less cloud cover, which made the planet warmer.
http://www.dtu.dk/english/News/Nyhed?id=ABB2F1B4-F5F7-4452-BB39-9818EA7CB8F9
It now appears that CO2 had nothing to do with the warmer temperatures experienced on earth over the 20th Century.
That last link didn’t work, so here is a quote from Svensmark.
‘The result boosts our theory that cosmic rays coming from the Galaxy are directly involved in the Earth’s weather and climate,” says Henrik Svensmark, lead author of the new report. “In experiments over many years, we have shown that ionizing rays help to form small molecular clusters.
‘Critics have argued that the clusters cannot grow large enough to affect cloud formation significantly. But our current research, of which the reported SKY2 experiment forms just one part, contradicts their conventional view. Now we want to close in on the details of the unexpected chemistry occurring in the air, at the end of the long journey that brought the cosmic rays here from exploded stars.’
Its over…..
http://www.thegwpf.org/al-gores-climate-lobby-sinking-fast/
OK, so let me get this right. We were told a few years ago that due to human influence on climate rainfall was going to decline to such a degree that our dams would run dry so we needed to build desal plants in every city in the country.
Now we have had to turn them off because it rained too much
“Human influence on climate could be partially to blame for heavy rainfalls in Australia,”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/human-induced-climate-change-caused-heavy-rains-in-australia-scientists/story-e6frg8y6-1226713025575
They are reckless with the troof, in reality ENSO is a major driver of climate on earth and CO2 plays an insignificant part in raising temperatures. The drought and follow up heavy rains were perfectly natural.
The Klimatariat continues to clutch at straws, even as the game draws to a close. Of more immediate concern, the cooling trend in the UK will eventually reach the MSM and …
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/09/05/temperatures-in-england-plummeting-over-the-last-decade/
The monstrous waste of taxpayer dollar on desal plants deserves a Royal Commission.
““Human influence on climate could be partially to blame for heavy rainfalls in Australia,”
That is insane. Did not Flannery say not to build dams because it would not rain like it used to??
I think we need to introduce floggings for people who tell falsehoods.
I demand a Royal Commission on CC waste, from desal plants to green energy…. Flummery deserves a public humiliation.
‘A chilly Arctic summer has left nearly a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 60 per cent.
‘The rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013.
‘Instead, days before the annual autumn re-freeze is due to begin, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores.’
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Based on the recent results I can safely say to know the truth you listen very carefully what climate scientists are saying and then believe the opposite.
If you hear or read a scientist say humans have caused global warming, then you can automatically assume they are either pig ignorant or telling fibs for financial gain.
In an Australian context, Karoly and Pearman need to be brought down a notch.
“they are either pig ignorant or telling fibs for financial gain.”
Hard to believe but it looks like it is true. Only other reason i can think of is that they are traitors to mankind for some reason.
Looks like Abbott has moved on the carbon tax
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/tony-abbott-to-get-rolling-from-day-one/story-fn9qr68y-1226714557397
“PRIME Minister-elect Tony Abbott has personally instructed his new departmental secretary to make preparations to axe the carbon tax and activate Operation Sovereign Borders to stop asylum boats.”
Labor would be stupid to oppose the axing of the carbon tax in the Senate i think. If Abbott goes to a DD it could be worse for Labor.
They are well intentioned zealots, but have failed to prove that CO2 causes global warming.
The AR5 will become a standing joke, unless the rewrite subs do a makeover.
‘If Abbott goes to a DD it could be worse for Labor.’
Yes.
“They are well intentioned zealots”
But why are they zealots?? For me it looks like there is something else behind all this other than being “pig ignorant or telling fibs for financial gain,”
Only a Royal Commission will unravel how scientists, politicians and media created a monster. Call it enlightened self interest, its cost us all a pretty penny.
Mass delusion, in all its intricacies, is a sight to behold.
On the political front, a Bill Shorten opposition leader means we won’t have a Double D. This from Rob Burgess (Business Spectator)
‘In essence, some strong proponents of climate change action believe Bill Shorten has begun lobbying members of Caucus to abandon carbon pricing as a Labor policy after the next election.
‘The argument follows the precedent set by the Coaltion over WorkChoices – though many in the Liberal and National parties believed it was the right policy, they were required to disown it after the 2007 election so as to avoid spending years in the political wilderness.
‘After the 2013 election, Labor could be tempted to walk away from its own electoral poison – CarbonChoices, if you will.’
You know Egg I used to call Labor/greens supporters conspiracy theory nutjobs. Mainly because they used to say Howard was up to who knows what.
With AGW i have now become a conspiracy theory nutjob myself. There seems to be something behind all this other than financial gain.
Am I mad saying maybe ” world government”, “control of money” and I just don’t know what.
Most scientists are really conservative before they make a statement. The AGW lot expect us to believe what they say based on limited data.
The unholy alliance of media, politicians and scientists has created a monstrous fraud based on faith, the precautionary principle became enshrined at the UN (IPCC).
This is no organised conspiracy, it was just a theory which got out of control. The scientific high priests have lead the masses up the garden path with failed projections and will receive a public humiliation in due course.
Back to the double dizzy, perhaps I was a little hasty, its on again …whether its Shorten or Albo.
‘And both men insisted Labor would vote against the repeal of Labor’s carbon pricing scheme, something Tony Abbott has said would be like “committing political suicide twice”.
“Well, we are absolutely going to defend taking action on climate change,” Albanese said. “I could not – I could not look my son in the eye and walk away from taking action on climate change. Some things are absolutely vital, not just for now, but for future generations. There is a cost to carbon. There is a cost. The question is: do we pass it on to future generations or do we, as this generation, take responsibility? I believe we have to do that. We have supported an emissions trading scheme for a very long time. And certainly I was elected on a mandate again yesterday with a swing to me on the issue of taking action on climate change.”
‘Shorten also said Labor would stick with its core belief that “there should be a price on carbon pollution” and had a “’mandate from its supporters to be true to its values”.
Lenore Taylor in the Guardian
If we are to have a double D, then Abbott would be wise to organise a parliamentary inquiry into the science of climate change. Dr Dennis Jensen could chair the inquiry and Barnaby Joyce would make a great addition.
I herd on the radio that Abbott may not need a DD if he cannot get his legislation to abolish the carbon tax through the senate.
he can just change the tax rate to 0%.
Thanx Nils.
By the way does anyone know if a govt can do something like that??
In this case if they cannot get the abolition of the carbon tax through the Senate the lower house can just change the tax rate to zero without putting that change through the Senate??
Where’s Walrus?
Why did Kevin call an election for September, a time when our winter power bills come in?
Poor strategy.
‘TONY Abbott appears likely to secure the numbers in the new Senate to repeal the carbon tax and mining tax …
‘But he could fail to legislate his $2.8 billion “direct action” plan to cut carbon emissions, according to early objections from those likely to share the balance of power in the upper house… ‘
David Crowe in the Oz
Oh dear! I am absolutely gutted.
Yeah, I manifested a perfect outcome.
‘PUBLIC servants are drawing up plans to collapse 33 climate change schemes run by seven departments and eight agencies into just three bodies run by two departments under a substantial rewrite of the administration of carbon abatement schemes under the Coalition.
‘Coalition climate action spokesman Greg Hunt briefed public servants on the dramatic restructure of the federal climate change bureaucracy before the election was called and yesterday confirmed the Coalition was committed to proceeding with the plan.’
Maher and Wilson in the Oz
Why do we still have three bodies? All we need is one – a criminal investigations unit to prosecute people who profited from scaremongering.
Hear Hear!
I would like to see a parliamentary inquiry into this monstrous scam.
You have to be careful. Public Servants get upset if they lose their jobs. Understandable of course.
But over at the Cafe they claim they should have permanent jobs funded by the taxpayer, unlike everybody else in the private sector.
‘…the science of climate change is crap’.
Tony Abbott
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‘Today, 193 of 194 national heads of state say they believe humans are causing dangerous climate change. The IPCC of the United Nations has been remarkably successful in convincing the majority of the world that greenhouse gas emissions must be drastically curtailed for humanity to prosper.’
Steve Goreham / Washington Times
** guffaw **
‘Ms Lambie told ABC radio. “There still needs to be a carbon tax, but it just needs to be a lot lower than it is.”
‘But Mr Palmer said Ms Lambie had “got confused” and both PUP senators would support the repeal of the carbon scheme. “She was talking about our policy on ethanol pricing, she just got mixed up,” Mr Palmer said.
Fin Review / Priest & Ludlow
My theory is that the micro-party Senators will provide great entertainment and, provided they don’t totally stuff up the legislative process, they may enjoy continuing support from the voters. Having ordinary people in the Senate beats obstructionist po-faced puritanical Greens any day.
I agree splatter.
This week the AR5 is expected to be out on the streets and we know in advance that the IPCC is slowly withdrawing alarmism, but not recanting at this stage.
‘The IPCC’s 2001 Summary for Policymakers Report (TAR) stated: “Most of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations.”
‘The IPCC’s 2007 report (4AR) said: “Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.”
‘And now, a leaked draft of the new 2013 (5AR) is expected to conclude: “It is extremely likely that human influence on climate caused more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010.”
Forbes
The poor fools are trying to salvage some credibility, not realising that they have none, that they are already a laughing stock.
I fully expect Leigh Sales to do a report on the AR5, being newsworthy.
No doubt she will do a report, omitting all mention of any uncertainty and continuing the scaremongering approach. Their ABC is now so totally invested in the scam that they will just double down. They never let the facts get in the way of their leftist worldview.
If the ABC remains mute in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence supporting the hiatus, then they will become a laughing stock.
Back in April the PM was talking to Hadley about Flannery and reading between the lines I would say the Climate Commissioner will soon be looking for other work.
“It does sound like an unnecessary position given the gentlemen in question gives us the benefit of his views without needing taxpayer funding.”
“then they will become a laughing stock”
That has never stopped them before. They are shameless.
I still remember Virginia Trioli abusing Greg Hunt on the ABC. Hunt said the carbon tax was a tax. And Trioli insisted it was not a tax.
She was trying to make out that Gillard did not lie when she said “there will be no carbon tax under the govt I lead”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-15/greg-hunt-attacks-emissions-trading-scheme/4819852
At around the one minute mark and at 4.20 she gets upset that people call the carbon tax a tax.
Why is an ABC presenter running cover for the ALP??
“Why is an ABC presenter running cover for the ALP??”
That is what ALP presenters do, by and large. It would be surprising if she did not. Trioli though is a particularly stupid example of the species.
ALP presenter = ABC presenter. Not that there is any real difference.
Aunty has been a total disgrace in this matter and the whole newsroom should hand in their resignations before they get the sack.
“It does sound like an unnecessary position given the gentlemen in question gives us the benefit of his views without needing taxpayer funding.”
Abbott is on the money with this and hopefully Flannery will soon be out of the money.
Abbott would be wise to sack half of the Climate Commissioners and replace them with contrarian scientists.
Zealous margins…
The ongoing saga continues here….
https://theguttertrash.com/co2-and-you-iii/