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  1. Tony permalink
    July 4, 2012 2:04 pm

    ‘America’s carbon emissions may drop back close to 1990 levels this year. That result would have been thought impossible, even at the end of 2011. But the shale gas revolution makes a reality of many things recently thought impossible. Shale gas production has slashed carbon emissions and saved consumers more than $100 billion per year. Truly astonishing!’

    http://johnhanger.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/shale-gas-causes-first-quarter-2012-us.html

  2. July 4, 2012 3:34 pm

    Hahaha…marginalise the zealots, again.

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    July 4, 2012 3:55 pm

    LOL! Just dropped in to read the bullshit and there’s no-one here! LOL!

  4. July 4, 2012 4:10 pm

    GO QUEENSLANDER!!!

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    July 4, 2012 4:15 pm

    GO MAROONS!

    QUEENSLANDER!

  6. July 4, 2012 5:10 pm

    I like that the blue cnuts think that they have a chance. Funny.

    Those NSW lepers never win the boredomfest!

  7. el gordo permalink
    July 4, 2012 5:13 pm

    Blues to win!

  8. JAWS permalink
    July 4, 2012 5:17 pm

    Did anyone else hear the speech Gillard gave that likened the introduction of the Carbon Tax to the start of the Snowy Mountains Scheme.

    How the fuck can you compare a tax to a massive piece of engineering.

    The woman has just completely lost the plot.

    Mr Rudd please cut down her stinking political carcass

    Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese do it soon

  9. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 4, 2012 5:32 pm

    The crazy thing about comparing the carbon tax to the SMS is that the Snowy scheme built lots of dams. The ALP/Greens don’t do dams.

    In fact Bob Brown would have been lying in front of the bulldozer to stop the scheme being built.

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    July 4, 2012 6:00 pm

    … and I agree, Noddy … 😯

  11. JAWS permalink
    July 4, 2012 6:04 pm

    “… and I agree, Noddy …”

    TB

    If ya dont mind me askin’

    Have you recently changed your medication or somethin’ ?

    LOL

  12. July 4, 2012 6:21 pm

    I love the irony of a CO2 thread devolving into unrelated gibberish!

  13. el gordo permalink
    July 4, 2012 6:30 pm

    ‘unrelated gibberish!’

    Entirely appropriate.

  14. JAWS permalink
    July 4, 2012 6:37 pm

    “I love the irony of a CO2 thread devolving into unrelated gibberish!”

    LOL……………ya mean

    “I like that the blue cnuts think that they have a chance. Funny.

    Those NSW lepers never win the boredomfest!”

  15. JAWS permalink
    July 4, 2012 6:38 pm

    GO BLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUES

  16. el gordo permalink
    July 4, 2012 7:11 pm

    To watch teh the game I’ll have to go to the corner pub, rubbing shoulders with the miners and townies. BLUES TO WIN!

  17. el gordo permalink
    July 4, 2012 7:32 pm

    Channelling the Bolter…the PM leaves me speechless, such ignorance, the people will punish her for blatant lying.

    ‘Our world faces real and urgent threats from climate change like rising sea levels.

    ‘A one metre rise would see a million people in our region on the move.

    ‘Our country faces very direct threats too: worse bushfire conditions and droughts, more days of extreme heat, increased cyclone intensity, bleaching of coral reefs…’

  18. July 4, 2012 7:38 pm

    GO THE TBz!!!

  19. Tony permalink
    July 4, 2012 9:46 pm

    ‘As he took the stage for his turn, [Nobel Laureate, Ivar] Gieavar’s immediate remark was, “I am happy I’m allowed to speak for myself.” He derided the Nobel committees for awarding Al Gore and R.K. Pachauri a peace prize, and called agreement with the evidence of climate change a “religion.” In contrast to Crutzen and Molina, Gieavar found the measurement of the global average temperature rise of 0.8 degrees over 150 years remarkably unlikely to be accurate, because of the difficulties with precision for such measurements—and small enough not to matter in any case: “What does it mean that the temperature has gone up 0.8 degrees? Probably nothing.” He disagreed that carbon dioxide was involved and showed several charts that asserted, among other things, that climate had even cooled. “I pick and choose when I give this talk just the way the previous speaker picked and chose when he gave his talk,” he added. He finished with a pronouncement: “Is climate change pseudoscience? If I’m going to answer the question, the answer is: absolutely.”’

    http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/07/02/lindau-nobel-laureate-meeting-from-the-big-bang-to-the-big-controversy-a-k-a-climate-change/

  20. el gordo permalink
    July 4, 2012 10:01 pm

    The publican at the local is an ex copper and shouted me a beer, we discussed drug law reform.

    The blues have lost again, but not by too much.

    What struck me most is that most of the local lads are apprentices and youngsters from the nearby private christian school.

    We laffed and laffed even though we were losing… such hilarity.

  21. el gordo permalink
    July 4, 2012 10:13 pm

    CC is pseudo science and once our colleagues here see this reality, the irony, they will take full advantage.

    Happy days!

  22. JAWS permalink
    July 4, 2012 10:36 pm

    Oh well el Gordo we lost again and congrats to the qlds like tb and Bacchus.

    Our halves are just not upto it

    I feel sorry for Jamie Soward who got dropped for not much in the end last year. Yet Carney did fuck all except choke yet again. Mitchel Pearce kicking was also a joke. Jarrod Hayne is just perpetually confused playing fb for club then wing for state. Faaaaaaaaaaaaark

    Why the fuck do we also give away one of our rotating 2 games to Melbourne every 2 years as well & Qld not do same.

    What a joke

    But Qld did very well

  23. July 4, 2012 10:56 pm

    Ivar Gieavar – nobel laureate of 1973

    http://www.desmogblog.com/ivar-giaever

    Affiliations
    •Heartland Institute — “Global warming Expert.” [5]
    •Cato Institute — Endorser of Cato Institute’s global warming advertisement.

    Publications

    According to Rensselaer Polytechnical Institute, the University of Oslo and Google Scholar, Dr. Giaever has not published any work in the area of climate science.

    Giaever’s climate science resume is limited to serving on a climate change discussion panel at the 51st convention of Nobel laureates in physics, chemistry, physiology and medicine. At the convention, Giaever stated he is skeptical of the importance of the issue of global warming…

    …The Cato Institute has received $125,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998, and lists Phillip Morris as one of its “national allies.” They have also received undisclosed amounts of funding from the American Petroleum Institute (API) and Koch Family Foundations…

    just sayin’

  24. July 4, 2012 11:21 pm

    Is a misleading climate change op-ed in The Wall Street Journal really news?

    Dr Ivar Giaever, 82 😆

    So confident was The Australian about the “facts” contained in the editorial, they didn’t bother to get a single response from an actual working Australian climate scientist. So let’s do a quick fact check for ourselves…

    …So not only is Giaever a non-expert when it comes to climate change science, he’s not even part of an unproven “growing number” that the contrarians say are out there (but can’t provide evidence for)…

    …The coup de grâce for this intrepid but self-contradictory bunch of commentators, comes when they suggest the reason scientists are out to convince the world that global warming is real is that they’re “follow(ing) the money”.

    Now this is a popular theme for neo-conservative think tanks, an issue I wrote about in a blog for DeSmogBlog last week.

    But if we were to follow the money on the one single piece of peer-reviewed evidence which they offered from 2003, where would this get us?

    The lead author of the paper was Willie Soon, who acknowledged at the end of that paper the contribution from the “American Petroleum Institute” in providing funds for the research.

    I leave you with the intro to this story in The Guardian from last year, which pointed out that Soon “has admitted to being paid more than $1m in the past decade by major US oil and coal companies.”

    Follow the money?

  25. July 5, 2012 9:53 am

    I think analysing and rebutting what people actually say is more productive than focusing on motives or funding. But if that’s the kind of argument being put, its only fair to use the same kind of argument in response . . .

    On motives . .

    http://www.populartechnology.net/2011/04/truth-about-desmogblog.html

    And funding . . .

    http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/massive-climate-funding-exposed/

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2012 10:31 am

    What a beautiful morning in QUEENSLAND! The sun is shining (light brisk winter breeze tho’) and everyone is humming, whistling, smiling and just being more friendly than usual (if that’s possible with Queenslanders) …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Wally,

    Have you recently changed your medication or somethin’ ?

    If the lad gets it right occasionally, I’ll say so … (positive reinforcement) …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Speaking of Wallys,

    … did anyone watch Clivey’s Comedy Hour on Lateline last night? What a perfomance … and who was “directing” his “comments” off to the right of my TV screen … “angelic” Abbott FFS … and “a big wave to Mr Abbott” … why did I get the impression that Clivey’s had the heavies put on him by the Backroom Boys … unions may influence ALP pollies but the Liberal Lads can fix the multibillionaires! LOL!

  27. el gordo permalink
    July 5, 2012 1:07 pm

    Gosford Council has backed down on sea level rise.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-news/tide-turns-on-council-sea-level-risk-clause/story-e6freuzi-1226417165548

    This is a victory for commonsense (sic) and a blow to the zealots.

  28. el gordo permalink
    July 5, 2012 1:33 pm

    The practical application of Higgs boson.

    ‘If, and it’s a BIG IF, it is the real deal, AND if it can be controlled and subsequently rolled into Engineering it COULD result in the control of inertia. Which would be a very big deal indeed. Remember all those stories of UFO’s zipping around at monstrous accelerations? Control of inertia would permit that. 0 to light speed in nothing flat.’

    Anthony Watts

  29. July 5, 2012 1:57 pm

    unions may influence ALP pollies but the Liberal Lads can fix the multibillionaires! LOL!

    yeah, just a couple more votes and they are paying lots more tax

    backscratchers united

    but why not put clivey in charge, make australia’s corporocracy transparent and official, cut out the huge payroll of “middle men” taking their cut for following orders [abbott & gillard & co].

  30. el gordo permalink
    July 5, 2012 3:08 pm

    From Kitty’s link.

    ‘…weather is not the same as climate, and single events are not the same as trends.”

    A decade of cool wet summers and freezing winters in the UK is a trend to global cooling.

  31. JAWS permalink
    July 5, 2012 3:50 pm

    Eg

    That Gosford Council link is outrageous. What will Tanya make of this…………

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/if-the-mayor-says-the-seas-are-rising-thats-all-right-with-me-im-just-a-minister/story-fn72xczz-1226106213676

  32. el gordo permalink
    July 5, 2012 4:12 pm

    The battle against the Klimatariat will be fought on the beaches and Tanya (along with the other watermelons) face humiliation.

    There is no doubt Labor is heading for a massive defeat.

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2012 4:14 pm

    There is no doubt Labor is heading for a massive defeat.

    Yep!

    But don’t expect Stalin to be any better than Churchill …

  34. el gordo permalink
    July 5, 2012 4:29 pm

    Tabit’s team can’t do worse than Julia’s coalition of convenience. What we see here is unstable minority government…a different beast altogether.

  35. July 5, 2012 7:44 pm

    “A decade of cool wet summers and freezing winters in the UK is a trend to global cooling.”

    The UK is global now is it? I always thought that it was just a few mediocre islands in the Northern Hemisphere.

    “Tabit’s team can’t do worse than Julia’s coalition of convenience.”

    Of course it can.

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2012 7:48 pm

    Of course it can. LOL! Platinum, Sunshine! Platinum! 😆

    BTW did I mention that the MAROONS won last night … and the Blues are still whinging about the referees … 🙄

  37. JAWS permalink
    July 5, 2012 11:10 pm

    Anyone watching the Tour De France at the moment. They just rode past a stack of wind turbines.

    Only problem was every single one of them was stationery due to lack of wind in one of the windiest areas of France.

    What a joke they are

  38. el gordo permalink
    July 6, 2012 8:38 am

    ‘The UK is global now is it?’

    Thanx for the dorothy dix….their historical and scientific records on this subject go back hundreds of years. We know that cool wet summers and freezing winters in that part of the world meant starvation for large numbers.

    And I repeat, it would be impossible for Abbot’s team to do worse than this useless guvmint.

  39. el gordo permalink
    July 6, 2012 8:50 am

    ‘Last month was the wettest June since records began, with double the average rain falling during the month.

    ‘Provisional figures from the Met Office showed the UK received 145.3mm (5.7 inches) in June, beating the previous record of 136.2mm (5.4 inches) in June 2007.

    ‘It was the second month this year to see record-breaking amounts of rain, after this April became the wettest in the records dating back more than a century to 1910.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2169330/UK-weather-forecast-Washout-summer-vengeance.html#ixzz1zn7LzIEH

  40. July 6, 2012 10:02 am

    “it would be impossible for Abbot’s team to do worse than this useless guvmint.”

    Absolute bullshit! Anything is possible, nothing is absolute.

    And, the UK isn’t the rest of the world, I’d have thought that that was glaringly obvious. I could give a fuck about the extent of their historical record.
    It amuses me to no end that you anti-zealots pick & choose what you consider to be credible scientific data when it gels with your stance…just like the other lot. Two sides of the same coin.

  41. el gordo permalink
    July 6, 2012 11:16 am

    ‘I could give a fuck about the extent of their historical record.’

    Hmmm…

  42. July 6, 2012 11:30 am

    Hmmmm, nothing.

    What makes your sources credible & everything to the contrary bunk?

    Why is one isolated section of the planet (the UK) somehow the barometer for climate on a global scale? There’s just as much doubt in that as anything proposed by the agw adherents.
    Just cherry picking supportive segments.

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2012 12:02 pm

    GO! Toilette! 😉

  44. July 6, 2012 12:07 pm

    “I could give a fuck”

    Without wishing to appear pedantic, I think what you really mean is:

    “I couldn’t give a fuck”

    Allow me to explain.

    When you say that you “could give a fuck,” this suggests that “you could” (give a fuck) whereas what I think you’re really meaning to convey is that “you couldn’t”…

    Just sayin.

    No don’t thank me.

  45. el gordo permalink
    July 6, 2012 12:08 pm

    ‘Why is one isolated section of the planet (the UK) somehow the barometer for climate on a global scale?’

    When CO2 began to increase rapidly and temperatures in tandem, the cry went up…post hoc ergo propter hoc. The computer models became the guide to what we could expect if this continued and the ‘precautionary principle’ came into play.

    The travesty is that global warming has stopped and the Modern Climate Optimum is finished, even as CO2 continues to rise. So we should scrap the models and look back to see what is coming …the UK is the best place to see climate change in action.

  46. July 6, 2012 1:16 pm

    Weather does not = climate
    Climate is measured over the long term.

    Simple really [for some].

    Meanwhile, the US just had it’s fourth warmest winter on record

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/2012/2

  47. el gordo permalink
    July 6, 2012 1:25 pm

    It has to do with the jet stream, Kitty, we need to concentrate on longer trends.

    (Roy Spencer believes CO2 causes global warming, so he’s no sceptic.)

  48. July 6, 2012 1:30 pm

    Cold temperatures are just weather. Hot temperatures are climate (change).

  49. July 6, 2012 1:54 pm

    Cold temperatures are just weather. Hot temperatures are climate (change).

    Unfortunately [for you lot] the earth is still warming.

    Are the world’s wet regions becoming wetter and dry regions becoming drier?

    …Multiple assessments of long-term ocean temperatures have independently come to the conclusion that the oceans, both at the surface and subsurface, have been constantly warming throughout the period of observational coverage. As these numerous studies have checked and re-checked the numbers, inconsistencies have uncovered biases with the data. But once these biases have been corrected (using many different techniques, generated from many independent groups), yep, it’s still been warming at an even more steady and faster pace than the previous estimates suggested…

    Which data source is right?

    Whenever our observed world and climate models disagree, the tendency among non-experts is to blame the models…
    …Patterns of salinity change agree with independent satellite estimates of both rainfall and evaporation changes over tropical regions since 1980. These studies also say that the rates of change captured by models are conservative, when compared to observations…

  50. July 6, 2012 1:59 pm

    “I think you’re really meaning to convey is that “you couldn’t”…”

    You’re right, I couldn’t!…give a fuck.

    As far as I’m concerned, definitive statements like “global warming has stopped” or “the UK is the best place to see climate change in action” , should be taken with a cup of salt. That stuff is just wishful opinionating.

    Statements like this “Cold temperatures are just weather. Hot temperatures are climate (change)” are just a pisstake, designed to make people forget that the anti-zealots are prone to confuse climate for weather in exactly the same way when it suits their purpose.

  51. el gordo permalink
    July 6, 2012 2:28 pm

    The UK Met believe CO2 causes global warming and you can see in this chart the Modern Climate Optimum.

  52. el gordo permalink
    July 6, 2012 2:38 pm

    This is an update and you may wish to take it with a glass of salinity.

  53. July 6, 2012 2:54 pm

    I’m not meaning to come across like a cnut, el gordo. 😉

    I am genuinely frustrated by the way that each side frames the debate. I am open to being persuaded either way, but I find it tremendously difficult to filter through the muddy waters of AGW rhetoric & reasoning.

    Below the surface, it just seems to me that either camp is waging a PR battle.

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2012 3:27 pm

    Pesonally … I could … or couldn’t give a fuck!

  55. July 6, 2012 4:07 pm

    Yeah, TB. Either way, it’s out of my hands!

    And yeah, life on this planet is fucken awesome…if a little fleeting.

    but I hate Luis Armstrong & all of that other crap music from a bygone era when the world got irreparably damaged by the greed generation

  56. el gordo permalink
    July 6, 2012 4:11 pm

    That’s ok boss, I don’t take offence. The issue should have remained an academic exercise, but when the IPCC introduced the ‘precautionary principle’ it became political.

    This is unfortunate, my family and friends consider me a heretic, a denier of the first order…my son is a hardened zealot.

    Lovely song TB.

  57. July 6, 2012 4:17 pm

    I think it’s healthy that the whole juggernaut isn’t just taken at face value. Due to the politicised nature of the argument, it’s hard to see any workable cooperative arrangement to tackle the issue (if indeed it is an issue).

    It may just be a function of where I live & work, but most people I encounter around here are extremely sceptical about AGW. Then again, they buy the whole asylum seeker dog whistling hook line & sinker too.

    You couldn’t be more wrong about the song. 🙂

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2012 4:34 pm

    Toillette, perhaps you could post a song with simmilar “feelings” about our beautiful planet?

  59. el gordo permalink
    July 6, 2012 4:42 pm

    I’m a sentimentalist on the music score, but the old stuff they play at the cafe is so last century.

    In Australia the politics of climate change will be settled first by the electorate. Keep in mind these people have children and grandchildren, so we shouldn’t ignore their scepticism about rising sea levels or an overheated planet.

    The zealots will blame Bolt and hate media for brainwashing them, but in reality they have just used their own intelligence to work out what is happening. The ABC, SBS and Fairfax are supporting the government line, while the Murdocracy presents a different hue.

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2012 4:55 pm

    I’m a sentimentalist on the music score, but the old stuff they play at the cafe is so last century.

    er, is that an each way bet .. or what?

    The zealots will blame Bolt and hate media for brainwashing them, but in reality they have just used their own intelligence to work out what is happening

    LOL! Where would I start with that sentence? 😆

  61. July 6, 2012 5:26 pm

    Just for you, TB.

    This about captures the wonder of humanity…

  62. July 6, 2012 5:28 pm

    Apologies to Neil for the Russian alphabet, which may or may not have derived from Russian Scientists.

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    July 6, 2012 5:50 pm

    😯

  64. el gordo permalink
    July 6, 2012 6:11 pm

    ‘LOL! Where would I start with that sentence?’

    Never underestimate the people’s intelligence to see through a scam.

  65. el gordo permalink
    July 6, 2012 6:14 pm

    This is more my style.

  66. el gordo permalink
    July 7, 2012 6:21 pm

    ‘One of the main reasons the Gillard government is so unsuccessful in selling its carbon tax is that its overall narrative is so utterly dishonest.’

    Sheridan in the Oz

  67. el gordo permalink
    July 8, 2012 3:45 pm

    Senior UK Conservative MP John Redwood on institutional bias at the BBC.

    ‘The BBC takes the view that the “science is settled”. Any intelligent person should know that by definition the science is never settled. Newtonian physics was a great breakthrough, which settled the view of the heavens. In the twentieth century it was challenged and improved.

    ‘Many intelligent people have many different reasons for disagreeing with pure climate change theory and more importantly with the policy conclusions that flow from it in the debate. The BBC does all too little to give these dissenting voices decent airtime, to explore their disagreements and to allow viewers and listeners to make up their own minds.

    ‘If the conventional theory is as all conquering as the BBC says, it should be able to handle grown up examination of its alleged shortcomings from its critics. Tackling fuel poverty and promoting more industry in the UK, two popular causes even with the BBC, are difficult to combine with carbon puritanism.’

  68. el gordo permalink
    July 8, 2012 4:05 pm

    Assistant Treasurer David Bradbury:

    “The values of the Australian Labor Party are very different to the values of the Australian Greens party.”

    And Paul Howes:

    …’make no mistake; the Greens pose as much of a threat to working people as Tony Abbott. They just hide it better.’

  69. July 9, 2012 12:00 am

    Sarah Hanson-Young (twitter)

    “One thing I agree with the faceless men of the ALP on is that our values are different – the Greens have values, and the ALP doesn’t

  70. el gordo permalink
    July 9, 2012 7:27 am

    ‘The Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, said the stoush was confected.

    ”Frankly it’s as choreographed as world championship wrestling,” he said. ”If she’s fair dinkum about tearing up the deal with the Greens, she’s got to get rid of the carbon tax and the border protection policies that don’t work as well.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/labor-split-over-rights-attack-on-greens-votes-20120708-21pkr.html#ixzz204JCoOkI

    Abbott is wrong about it being confected.

  71. el gordo permalink
    July 9, 2012 7:42 am

    ‘THE Labor Party thinks that the Greens are “extremists” and “loonies”. The Greens think that the Labor Party “doesn’t stand for anything” and are “diseased”.

    ‘This from parties that are supposed to have a formal signed alliance. Why would either side want to maintain such a dysfunctional situation after the war of words over the weekend?’

    Peter van Onselen in the Oz.

  72. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 9, 2012 8:36 am

    ‘THE Labor Party thinks that the Greens are “extremists” and “loonies”. The Greens think that the Labor Party “doesn’t stand for anything” and are “diseased”.

    Clearly they are both right!

  73. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2012 8:42 am

    It’s desperate times for the ALP when they engage in such trenchant criticism of their partner.

    But they still miss the point, I don’t think people particularly care about the carbon tax, but they care about political honesty. Even if the effect of the carbon tax is relatively benign, they won’t forgive Gillard for lying.

  74. Tony permalink
    July 10, 2012 1:21 am

    ‘While the chattering classes yammered on about American decline and peak oil, a quite different future is taking shape. A world energy revolution is underway and it will be shaping the realities of the 21st century when the Crash of 2008 and the Great Stagnation that followed only interest historians. A new age of abundance for fossil fuels is upon us. And the center of gravity of the global energy picture is shifting from the Middle East to… North America.

    ‘The two biggest winners look to be Canada and the United States. Canada, with something like two trillion barrels worth of conventional oil in its tar sands, and the United States with about a trillion barrels of shale oil, are the planet’s new super giant energy powers. Throw in natural gas and coal, and the United States is better supplied with fossil fuels than any other country on earth. Canada and the United States are each richer in oil than Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia combined.’

    http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/07/08/the-energy-revolution-part-one-the-biggest-losers/

  75. el gordo permalink
    July 10, 2012 8:23 am

    This might be how the Americans eventually pay off their debts.

  76. el gordo permalink
    July 10, 2012 8:32 am

    Gerard Henderson gets it right.

    ‘The two issues hurting the ALP are the carbon tax and border protection. Item six of the Labor-Greens agreement of September 2010 requires the introduction of “a price on carbon”. This led to Gillard’s announcement in February last year that there would be a carbon tax, under the government she led.

    ‘Gillard’s breaking of her commitment not to introduce a carbon tax is particularly hurting Labor in the outer suburbs and regional centres. There, voters on modest incomes face rapidly increasing power bills in a climate of job insecurity.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/old-hatreds-resurface-in-party-afraid-of-a-hiding-20120709-21rnt.html#ixzz20AQiSL2o

  77. July 10, 2012 10:41 am

    Yay for hegemoniacal superpower! 🙄

  78. el gordo permalink
    July 11, 2012 7:51 am

    Global cooling appears real when seen through the eyes of dead trees.

  79. Tony permalink
    July 11, 2012 8:38 am

    “This is my long-run forecast in brief,” Julian Simon once said. “The material conditions of life will continue to get better for most people, in most countries, most of the time, indefinitely. Within a century or two, all nations and most of humanity will be at or above today’s Western living standards. I also speculate, however, that many people will continue to think and say that the conditions of life are getting worse.”

    ‘His keystone work was “The Ultimate Resource,” published in 1981 and updated in 1996 as “The Ultimate Resource 2” (Princeton University Press). Its central point is clear: Supplies of natural resources are not finite in any serious way; they are created by the intellect of man, an always renewable resource. Coal, oil and uranium were not resources at all until mixed well with human intellect.’

  80. Tony permalink
    July 11, 2012 8:40 am

    ‘For decades now, the energy-narrative of North America, particularly the United States has been one of energy scarcity. We’ve been told, repeatedly, that the U.S. has surpassed “peak oil,” and 6 years ago, people were so worried about natural gas supplies that we were talking about importing liquified natural gas from abroad. But the narrative of energy scarcity in North America is a fiction: We are not only energy-wealthy, we are energy-wealthy beyond most people’s comprehension.’

    http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/07/north-americas-energy-wealth/

  81. Tony permalink
    July 11, 2012 8:42 am

    ‘The United States, Canada, and Mexico are awash in hydrocarbon resources: oil, natural gas, and coal. The total North American hydrocarbon resource base is more than four times greater than all the resources extant in the Middle East. And the United States alone is now the fastest-growing producer of oil and natural gas in the world.’

    http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/pgi_01.htm

  82. Tony permalink
    July 11, 2012 8:43 am

    ‘One of the more remarkable things happening in the world at the moment is the revolution being brought about in the US energy market by cheap shale gas. In four years this has halved the cost of gas, saving US energy users an estimated $100 billion. Thanks to the growing switch from coal to less carbon-intensive gas, US “carbon emissions”, for what it’s worth, have also plummeted to their lowest level in 20 years. In Britain, thanks to the utter incompetence of those in charge of our energy policy, the opposite has happened. The rising cost of imported gas has led our electricity companies to switch back to coal, which in the past two weeks has been contributing up to 40 per cent or more of our power. More than once, however, the contribution from all our 3,500 wind turbines put together has been as little as 0.2 per cent, with coal-fired power stations contributing 200 times as much. As for that shale gas, of which we also have huge reserves, our Government seems to do all it can to discourage it.’

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/9383356/Britains-only-EU-hope-lies-hidden-in-Lisbon.html

  83. Tony permalink
    July 11, 2012 8:50 am

    “Mr. Dettweiler has now turned from recovering lost treasures to prospecting for natural ones that litter the seabed: craggy deposits rich in gold and silver, copper and cobalt, lead and zinc. A new understanding of marine geology has led to the discovery of hundreds of these unexpected ore bodies, known as massive sulfides because of their sulfurous nature. These finds are fueling a gold rush as nations, companies and entrepreneurs race to stake claims to the sulfide-rich areas, which dot the volcanic springs of the frigid seabed. The prospectors — motivated by dwindling resources on land as well as record prices for gold and other metals — are busy hauling up samples and assessing deposits valued at trillions of dollars.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/10/science/vast-deposits-of-gold-and-other-ores-lure-seabed-miners.html

  84. Sean permalink
    July 11, 2012 9:01 am

    Gillard at her Community Forum last night said………

    “Shaping the future sometimes means we have to do some pretty controversial things as well, like the carbon tax, and some of you might like to ask about that,”

    Hang on………………………….did she say “Carbon Tax”

    Well fuck that…………………………….its a “Carbon Price” !

    There fixed it for her

  85. JAWS permalink
    July 11, 2012 9:01 am

    Oooops !

  86. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 11, 2012 9:26 am

    Tony this is good news for the people of the world, particularly the poor and destitute. Expect the lefties to fight it tooth and nail. If there is one thing that upsets “progressives” it is the thought of humankind making progress.

  87. el gordo permalink
    July 11, 2012 9:38 am

    ‘US “carbon emissions”, for what it’s worth, have also plummeted to their lowest level in 20 years.’

    Damn…and they did it without a tax. Why is the rest of the world laughing at us?

  88. JAWS permalink
    July 11, 2012 5:27 pm

  89. July 11, 2012 7:37 pm

    Marginal Zealots.

  90. Teh Invisible Handjob permalink
    July 11, 2012 9:05 pm

    ‘Americans sweltering in the recent record-breaking heatwave may not believe it – but it seems that our ancestors suffered through much hotter summers in times gone by, several of them within the last 2,000 years. A new study measuring temperatures over the past two millennia has concluded that in fact the temperatures seen in the last decade are far from being the hottest in history.’

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/10/global_warming_undermined_by_study_of_climate_change/

  91. Simple: Simon! permalink
    July 11, 2012 9:09 pm

    ‘The world is expected to harvest the largest ever crop of cereals in 2012-13 according to an estimate released by the UN affiliated Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) recently. It is estimated that this year’s world cereal production will be a record 2371 million tonnes, marking a 1 percent, or 27 million tonnes increase over 2011.’

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Largest-ever-cereal-harvest-predicted-this-year/articleshow/14055085.cms

  92. el gordo permalink
    July 12, 2012 8:38 am

    We, the rednecks, are unafrayd.

    ‘The report identified climate change scepticism in country towns as one of the hurdles which needed overcoming to assure their future. ”Without accepting there is fundamental change and it is human-induced, the measures they are likely to introduce are not going to be as effective as they could be”, Professor Beer said’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/rural-towns-face-final-frontier-as-climate-change-looms-20120711-21wak.html#ixzz20M9MfIRY

  93. July 12, 2012 12:58 pm

    ‘Planetary Resources, Inc., the asteroid mining company, announced today an agreement with Virgin Galactic, LLC that will enable multiple launch opportunities for its series of spacecraft, including the Arkyd-100 low-Earth orbit (LEO) space telescopes.

    ‘Continuous, low-cost launch services for small spacecraft to LEO assists in accelerating Planetary Resources’ vision to make valuable space resources from Near-Earth Asteroids (NEAs) available to humanity. “While the Arkyd spacecraft line itself radically reduces the traditional cost of exploring the NEAs, the less expensive the cost to launch an Arkyd spacecraft to LEO, the more spacecraft the company will launch. The more spacecraft that the company launches, the faster it will create a future where access to asteroid resources results in a vast network of propellant depots throughout space and a future where once precious and rare materials are abundant for all. This will enable humanity’s prosperity to continue for centuries to come,” said Eric Anderson, Co-Founder & Co-Chairman of Planetary Resources, Inc.

    ‘Of the nearly 10,000 known NEAs, there are more than 1,500 that are energetically as easy to reach as the Moon. In the next few years, constellations of Arkyd-100 Series space telescopes will help fulfill the company’s early objective of identifying additional energetically-optimal, highly-valuable NEAs which will then be added to the detailed list of the company’s prospecting targets and pursued for future potential resource extraction . . .’

    http://www.planetaryresources.com/2012/07/planetary-resources-inc-announces-contract-with-virgin-galactic-for-payload-services/

  94. el gordo permalink
    July 12, 2012 1:32 pm

    “…a vast network of propellant depots throughout space and a future where once precious and rare materials are abundant for all. This will enable humanity’s prosperity to continue for centuries to come,”

    It’s wonderful stuff, ToSY…and your positive view on all these matters lifts my spirits.

    In case some of you missed it earlier up the thread, the practical application of Higgs boson should provide clarity to what’s coming…in regards to outer space resources.

    ‘If, and it’s a BIG IF, it is the real deal, AND if it can be controlled and subsequently rolled into Engineering it COULD result in the control of inertia. Which would be a very big deal indeed. Remember all those stories of UFO’s zipping around at monstrous accelerations? Control of inertia would permit that. 0 to light speed in nothing flat.’

    Anthony Watts

  95. el gordo permalink
    July 12, 2012 2:11 pm

    The ABC suffers from the sin of omission, failing to report the importance of natural variability.

    http://abcnewswatch.blogspot.com.au/

    This is why we need to dismantle the organisation, they do the Australian people a great disservice.

  96. July 12, 2012 5:00 pm

    George Monbiot: We were wrong about peak oil: there’s enough in the ground to deep-fry the planet.

    http://www.monbiot.com/2012/07/02/false-summit/

  97. el gordo permalink
    July 13, 2012 2:24 pm

    From commenter “Climate Weenie” over at Watts.

    Remember ‘Global Warming is killing the frogs?’ – turned out to be fungus spread by biologists.
    ‘Global Warming is killing the bees!’ – parasites
    ‘Global Warming is killing the bats!’ – fungus
    Now, ‘Global Warming is killing the coral!’ – virus.

  98. el gordo permalink
    July 13, 2012 2:28 pm

    Moonbat Recants…at least he’s man enough to admit he was wrong.

  99. el gordo permalink
    July 14, 2012 7:58 am

  100. el gordo permalink
    July 14, 2012 4:52 pm

    Channeling Jennifer Marohasy

    There was a stream of propaganda spilling out from the GBR scientists at the 12th International Coral Reef Symposium held in Qld recently.

    AGW is ‘already having a catastrophic impact on the Great Barrier Reef and the most spectacular of our coral reef fish will disappear.’ Australian Institute of Marine Science research director Peter Doherty said there has been an “alarming and unsustainable decline” in coral over large sections of the GBR in 30 years.

    Damn CO2 or maybe not. ‘Climate change and bleaching’ was a major theme of the talkfest and the scientists were eagerly looking for funding.

    We all know there has been bleaching over the past 15 years, but most of the GBR has not bleached and those sections that did so are close to full recovery.

    The reality is that strong El Nino conditions caused the bleaching and there is no evidence to link those spectacular events with AGW. The only coral under stress is in Moreton Bay, which is sometimes effected by cooler waters.

    In Papua New Guinea, where the waters are 2 degrees warmer, all the endangered species are there in abundance so there is no need to panic. Anyway, due to the fall in sea level over the past 5000 years the coral would increase in spectacular fashion if the sea happened to rise…recolonisation. Sadly that is not going to happen.

    ‘Scientists at the Australian Institute of Marine Science (AIMS) and various universities depend upon generous government funding to study the supposed threats of climate change and coral bleaching. But rather than reporting their research findings in a scientifically meaningful way they behave as political activists and propagandists and talk nonsense. Shame,’ says Jennifer Marohasy.

  101. el gordo permalink
    July 15, 2012 10:43 am

    Larvatus Prodeo is dead and I’m not unhappy about that because they were never the intellectual giants they made out to be. I was snipped many times for no good reason, other than having a different point of view and it seems I wasn’t the only one.

    Jennifer Marohasy is still smarting.

    ‘In the discussion that ensued at Scepticlawyer it became apparent that not only had I been banned from LP, but that any comment that referenced me, or my weblog, in any way, were also automatically filtered out – censored.

    ‘Yet most Australian intellectuals assumed that LP was a place of robust debate where all were welcome and that discussions on topics such as climate change would not have automatically excluded a “noted Australian climate change sceptic” – to quote from an article in popular press.’

    Yep…embarrassing stuff.

    ———–
    Just left a few kind words at Deltoid, congratulating Lambert on the robust quality of the debate on his blog…wondering if someone will scream troll and snip me.

  102. el gordo permalink
    July 15, 2012 11:16 am

    No need to read this article, Roger Bradbury makes shit up and the New York Times prints it.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/14/opinion/a-world-without-coral-reefs.html?_r=2&ref=global-home

  103. el gordo permalink
    July 15, 2012 2:41 pm

    “…remarkable connections to the long-term histories of life and the carbon cycle have shown up unbidden. Biodiversity, CO2 and the carbon-13 (δ13C) isotope (a proxy for photosynthesis) all appear so highly sensitive to supernovae in our galactic neighbourhood that the biosphere seems to contain a reflection of the sky.”

    Henrik Svensmark

  104. el gordo permalink
    July 15, 2012 3:48 pm

    This is a recent NASA tracking of a large storm mass, but its what’s going on above the clouds that’s of more interest. Around 1.23 minutes in we see the sudden appearance of the mothership…;-)

  105. Roquette, man. permalink
    July 15, 2012 9:06 pm

    Space X: ‘Reusability is key to the dramatic cost savings that will enable advancements in human exploration of space. The Dragon spacecraft is fully reusable and SpaceX is working toward the goal of delivering the world’s first fully reusable launch vehicle.’

    Video here.

  106. Roquette, man. permalink
    July 15, 2012 11:14 pm

    ‘The big growth in oil extracted from shale rock means the US will not need to import any crude within two decades, the former boss of BP has said.

    ‘Lord Browne told a conference in Oxford the US would be “completely independent of imported oil, probably by 2030”.

    ‘He also said the amount of shale gas in the US was “effectively infinite”.’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18828714

  107. Tony permalink
    July 16, 2012 7:20 am

    ‘Around the turn of the twenty-first century, a paradigm shift in our thinking took place: we decided that the era of revolutions was over and that the era of catastrophes had begun. The former had involved expectation, the hope that the human race would proceed toward some goal. But once the end of history was announced, the Communist enemy vanquished, and, more recently, the War on Terror all but won, the idea of progress lay moribund. What replaced the world’s human future was the future of the world as a material entity. The long list of emblematic victims—Jews, blacks, slaves, proletarians, colonized peoples—was likewise replaced, little by little, with the Planet, the new paragon of all misery. No longer were we summoned to participate in a particular community; rather, we were invited to identify ourselves with the spatial vessel that carried us, groaning.

    ‘How did this change happen? Over the last half-century, leftist intellectuals have identified two great scapegoats for the world’s woes. First, Marxism designated capitalism as responsible for human misery. Second, “Third World” ideology, disappointed by the bourgeois indulgences of the working class, targeted the West, supposedly the inventor of slavery, colonialism, and imperialism. The guilty party that environmentalism now accuses—mankind itself, in its will to dominate the planet—is essentially a composite of the previous two, a capitalism invented by a West that oppresses peoples and destroys the earth. Indeed, environmentalism sees itself as the fulfillment of all earlier critiques. “There are only two solutions,” Bolivian president Evo Morales declared in 2009. “Either capitalism dies, or Mother Earth dies.”’

    http://www.city-journal.org/2012/22_2_apocalyptic-daze.html

  108. el gordo permalink
    July 16, 2012 9:41 am

    Good catch ToSY…Pascal Bruckner is amazingly insightful and fully aware of our predicament.

  109. el gordo permalink
    July 16, 2012 11:40 am

    From Benson and Lewis in the Daily Terror

    ‘John Brent, chairman of lobby group AUSVEG, said vegetable and potato growers will face difficulties absorbing the impact of the carbon tax.

    “This is just sheer fallacy when I hear the (government) saying that these costs filter down the system,” he said.

    “What Coles and Woolworths have said is, ‘we will not be passing on the increase’ which puts pressure on growers and they have nowhere to go.”

    ‘He believes the impact of the carbon tax will make it “more attractive” for produce to be imported from Southeast Asia.’

  110. July 16, 2012 5:49 pm

    “‘How did this change happen? Over the last half-century, leftist intellectuals have identified two great scapegoats for the world’s woes. First, Marxism designated capitalism as responsible for human misery. Second, “Third World” ideology, disappointed by the bourgeois indulgences of the working class, targeted the West, supposedly the inventor of slavery, colonialism, and imperialism. The guilty party that environmentalism now accuses—mankind itself, in its will to dominate the planet—is essentially a composite of the previous two, a capitalism invented by a West that oppresses peoples and destroys the earth.”

    G U F F A W !

    Again with teh leftists debasing the world. 🙄

  111. el gordo permalink
    July 16, 2012 7:59 pm

    Quote by Club of Rome:

    “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill….All these dangers are caused by human intervention….and thus the “real enemy, then, is humanity itself….believe humanity requires a common motivation, namely a common adversary in order to realize world government. It does not matter if this common enemy is “a real one or….one invented for the purpose.”

  112. B Positive permalink
    July 16, 2012 8:05 pm

    Well why don’t youse leftoids stop with the doom and gloom, then? 😉

  113. B Positive permalink
    July 16, 2012 8:08 pm

    (Above comment in reply to toiletstench)

  114. el gordo permalink
    July 16, 2012 8:32 pm

    Quote by UK’s Keith Farnish, environmental writer, philosopher and activist:

    “The only way to prevent global ecological collapse and thus ensure the survival of humanity is to rid the world of Industrial Civilization…Unloading essentially means the removal of an existing burden: for instance, removing grazing domesticated animals, razing cities to the ground, blowing up dams and switching off the greenhouse gas emissions machine.”

  115. B Positive permalink
    July 16, 2012 8:47 pm

    ‘The ideological brand of so-called progress that we call “collectivism” relies heavily on the notion that the values of the past are inadequate to the requirements of the future. We are taught by the peddlers of collectivist propaganda that our beliefs and our principles must evolve along with the perceived growth of our species as a whole. They see themselves as visionaries and prophets foretelling a grand reinvention of the world that we laymen are unequipped to imagine or understand. We cling to the old ways because we are “afraid of change”, or too ignorant to fathom the beauty of their Utopian beyond …

    ‘A distaste or hatred of heritage is very common at the onset of any collectivist restructuring. These restructurings usually target principles of individual liberty and self governance while masquerading as a fight against oppression or corruption. The old principles are either presented as too outdated and insufficient to deal with the new problems of a culture, or, they are presented as the actual SOURCE of the problems of that culture. In either case, the elites wielding the collectivist machine inevitably call for a purge of all bygone ideals.

    ‘In Communist China, Mao instituted the Cultural Revolution, which encouraged the mindlessly mesmerized collectivists in the Chinese populace to destroy everything which represented the past. Artwork, buildings, historical artifacts, books; even teachers and proponents of any brand of pre-communist heritage were targeted.

    ‘In Fascist Germany, the Nazis destroyed countless books and manuscripts, rewrote German history, censored and removed thousands of artworks, instituting state designated artforms that depicted the collectivist vision of the new society.

    ‘In Russia, the Communists focused intently not only on liquidating manuscripts extolling the methods of different eras, but also the people who wrote them. Under Lenin and Stalin, the goal was to annihilate the memory of the world before, even if it meant annihilating the masses along with it …’

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-collectivist-war-against-cultural-heritage

  116. B Positive permalink
    July 16, 2012 9:07 pm

    ‘Almost all European countries have some shale gas deposits. If hydraulic fracturing can be used on a commercial scale in Europe, the price of natural gas there will plummet. It could force Russia to start working for a living and would have radical political repercussions. The challenge facing Gazprom is to convince nations – that pay it exorbitant sums of foreign currency – to forgo a technology that can save them a lot of money, create local jobs and support their political independence. This time, the mobilizing ideology is not anti-capitalism but environmentalism. Russia’s Mr. Putin has become a great champion of other countries’ environments. Gazprom and Russia pay directly or indirectly, through public-relations firms and environmentalist groups, for the creation of grand coalitions with authentic environmentalist groups.’

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/13/new-cold-war-over-shale-gas-russia-inflames-enviro/

  117. It's a gas permalink
    July 16, 2012 9:17 pm

    ‘Here’s a tester for you. Which raft of energy policies gets proven ‘greener’ results? Is it the anti-fossil fuel, cap-and-trade regulatory regimes of socialist Europe? Or is it the path of technological innovation set by the ‘evil’ capitalists in the Kyoto-eschewing Bush White House? In what has to be the irony of ironies, Europe’s consumption of coal grew by 3.3 percent in 2011. Over in the United States in 2012, however, coal burning to generate power continued to decline, primarily due to America’s switch to shale gas. U.S. levels of carbon emission are currently plummeting; a feat Europe has no chance of matching, not least as coal use is on the increase. It’s a situation that ought to bring the whole raft of EU market-interfering policies geared to reducing carbon emissions into sharper focus. Policies that can only be characterize by three S’s: sheer synchronized stupidity.’

    http://www.energytribune.com/articles.cfm/11160/Irony-of-Ironies-Europe-Switches-to-Coal-as-US-Gas-Glut-Reduces-Emissions

  118. Meta permalink
    July 17, 2012 6:20 am

    (It’s always Lucky 7s with Project Aurora.)

  119. Meta permalink
    July 17, 2012 7:30 am

    (About 2.5 million years ago, humans first used tools to make other tools then to make tools assembled from different parts to make a unit with particular qualities, such as wooden spears with stone spearheads (ca. 200,000-300,000 years ago.) The bow and arrow and other complementary tool sets made it possible for prehistoric humans to greatly increase the flexibility of their reactions.There are many basic complementary tool sets: needle and thread, fishing rod and line, hammer and chisel. The bow and arrow are a particularly complex example. The reconstruction of the technique shows that no less than ten different tools are needed to manufacture a simple bow and arrows with foreshafts. It takes 22 raw materials and three semi-finished goods (binding materials, multi-component glue) and five production phases to make a bow, and further steps to make the arrows to go with it. The study was able to show a high level of complexity in the use of tools at an early stage in the history of homo sapiens.)

  120. el gordo permalink
    July 17, 2012 7:35 am

    Quote by Paul Watson, a founder of Greenpeace: “It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”

  121. el gordo permalink
    July 17, 2012 7:59 am

    Scientists are discovering new evidence everyday which supports the theory that a massive star at the center of our solar system may be causing gorebull worming.

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/scientists-trace-heat-wave-to-massive-star-at-cent,21088/

  122. el gordo permalink
    July 17, 2012 9:25 am

    If you have an idle moment you might like to answer a few questions…Tom Harris needs Australian input.

    http://climatescienceinternational.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=699

  123. el gordo permalink
    July 17, 2012 8:57 pm

    We are paying $23 a ton for ‘pollution’ and the Europeans are paying $4 for the same…can’t imagine what Julia is thinking.

  124. Tony permalink
    July 18, 2012 10:39 pm

    ‘The most underreported recent environmental story has been the dramatic decline in energy-related carbon emissions — nearly back to mid-1990s levels and falling.

    ‘Maybe it’s because that story just doesn’t fit the left’s mantra that traditional energy sources are destroying the environment.’

    http://news.investors.com/article/618435/201207171745/steep-drop-in-co2-is-due-to-industry-shift-to-natural-gas.htm?src=IBDDAE

  125. el gordo permalink
    July 22, 2012 9:08 pm

    20 July: Reuters Point Carbon: Kathy Chen and Stian Reklev: China keen to avoid CO2 rollercoaster ride

    ‘European permits have lost 80 percent of their value since mid-2008 and 50 percent in the last twelve months, spurring claims that the carbon market is becoming irrelevant in the EU’s efforts to cut emissions.

    “China will consider introducing both a price ceiling and a price floor to prevent the dramatic price fluctuation seen in the EU ETS,” said Chen Jianpeng with the State Council’s Development Research Centre, which is involved in studying the impact of a future Chinese ETS.

    ‘China, which accounts for almost a third of global CO2 emissions, plans to use the experiences from its pilot schemes to set up a national CO2 market later this decade.

    “The market is not ready to have carbon derivatives, green bonds and green funds in the pilot phase,” said Shi Minjun, deputy director at the China Academy of Science’s Research Center on Fictitious Economy and Data Science.

    http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/20/us-china-carbon-trade-idINBRE86J0BA20120720

    Fictitious Economy? That’s funny.

  126. el gordo permalink
    July 23, 2012 8:01 am

    Google trends in the US indicate that ‘global warming’ has slipped off the radar, even with a recent hot spell in the weather.

    http://tomnelson.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/google-trends-in-us-some-warm-weather.html

    This suggests the people don’t believe the propaganda.

  127. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 25, 2012 7:00 pm

    A leftist take on global warming. And didn’t he get burnt at the stake by the frothing lunatics of the left?

  128. Meta permalink
    July 25, 2012 7:09 pm

    (He might be right: Ideology clouds how we perceive the temperatures.)

  129. July 25, 2012 7:47 pm

    Haha.

    Of course it’s all the fault of da left. They ruin everything!

    If it was left entirely up to the right, jeebus would have come back ages ago & fixed everything. It’s so obvious. 🙄

  130. Jesus is a wingnut permalink
    July 25, 2012 8:01 pm

    Teh Left has been wrong about everything else for the last hundred years so you can bet they’re (it’s?) wrong about global warming climate change dangerous climate change (Klimatewetterz).

  131. July 25, 2012 8:03 pm

    That sounds a bit like a potentially regrettable gross generalisation about the last century. 😉

    If jeebus wasn’t a wingnut he’d be revolted by some of the shit that they justify in his name.

  132. el gordo permalink
    July 25, 2012 8:08 pm

    ‘jeebus would have come back ages ago’…but no, good catlick countries are goin’ down the gurgler and I blame a certain celestial initiator intent on making us heathens depressed. This is serious, I demand a second coming.

    ‘In a sign that Europe’s debt crisis is deepening, Italy’s borrowing costs edged higher, Greece was facing a 1930s-style depression and its austerity measures were said to be faltering.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2177563/Eurozone-crisis-Spain-edges-closer-disaster-euro-crisis-spreads.html#ixzz21cv3Baee

  133. July 25, 2012 8:09 pm

    On a more serious note. I started my co-gen training today.

    Since July1, the spot market price has virtually doubled for electricity at my place of employment. This is a substantial imposition given that they’re in the top ten evil polluters in the state.

    Needless to say, the race is on to get the gas fired turbine & boiler commissioned & operational, post haste.

    Interesting times.

  134. Gulags R Us permalink
    July 25, 2012 8:16 pm

    A generalisation, but mostly correct. The left, in their noble quest to make everyone equal, have had to to force people to comply with state policies, under threat of imprisonment, even death. Jesus would not have condoned that.

  135. July 25, 2012 8:25 pm

    Who is this so called “Jeebus” that you speak of …?

  136. Old boilers permalink
    July 25, 2012 8:26 pm

    “Needless to say, the race is on to get the gas fired turbine & boiler commissioned & operational, post haste.”

    What happened to the US “training” junket?

  137. July 25, 2012 8:44 pm

    Canned! 😦

    Cheaper to bring the techsperts here apparently. We thought we were getting a junket to Melbourne too, but not even a sniff of that either. Haven’t even had to leave town for it.

    As for…”A generalisation, but mostly correct.”…well that depends upon your point of reference, I suppose. And you wingnutz cheat by relabelling half of the murderous crackpots of the last century as being exclusively leftist…but that’s a circular PJmedia argument. 😉

  138. July 25, 2012 8:46 pm

    “Who is this so called “Jeebus” that you speak of …?”

    If you’ve ever read Harry Potter, it’s pretty much the same sort of shit, just set in the desert of yesteryear.

  139. el gordo permalink
    July 28, 2012 10:35 am

    Channeling cohenite…

    Gavin Schmidt said:

    “Any single realisation can be thought of as being made up of two components – a forced signal and a random realisation of the internal variability (‘noise’). By definition the random component will uncorrelated across different realisations and when you average together many examples you get the forced component (i.e. the ensemble mean).”

    A wit on another blog commented he may as well have said:

    “So, one more time. The remastat kiloquad capacity is a function: square-root the intermix ratio times the sum of the plasma injector quotion”

  140. el gordo permalink
    July 28, 2012 11:09 am

    The correct translation is that natural variability outweighs anything humans can produce.

    Gavin Schmidt is head of propaganda at RealClimate, so what he says in DoubleSpeak is important.

  141. el gordo permalink
    July 28, 2012 12:55 pm

    This is a breakthrough for Fairfax, global warming is not mentioned in this article on the big US drought.

    ‘At least two-thirds of the area of the mainland US is experiencing moderate to exceptional drought, says the US Department of Agriculture’s Drought Monitor. Hot, dry conditions have caused significant damage to corn, soybeans, pastures and rangeland from California to upstate New York, the department said.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/water-issues/us-reels-from-worst-drought-in-50-years-20120727-22znh.html#ixzz21skQOiXB

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2012 6:03 pm

    A generalisation, but mostly correct. The left, in their noble quest to make everyone equal, have had to to force people to comply with state policies, under threat of imprisonment, even death. Jesus would not have condoned that.

    How did I miss this crock of shite!

    A generalisation (particularly such a fkn great WIDE one!) can never be “mostly correct” …

    … my own Generalisation, is that most right wing voters are devout godbotherers (more than likely Micks), “network” at churches to fleece those who cannot see the light, have families who are dysfunvctional because the kids have been taught that they “know the light” … do everything that JC would NOT have done and then blame everyone but themselves …

    The left does not have a “noble quest to make everyone ‘equal'” … in fact those of us on the left KNOW that everyone isn’t equal … some do very well because of a certain talent, learned skill and knowledge, aptitude that raises them above average and high achievers in many fields … you would be surprosed at how many “lefties” are managers and/or owners of their own businesses … talent is not exclusive to the brethren! And some of them are practising Christians … because … lefties may be more practical and society minded … when they do well they choose to share that wealth with others less fortunate … rightwhingers tend to hoard the gold … and that is what is reflected in the rightwing propoganda that Labor is not a good economic manager … they share … they are compassionate

    … when most ALP governments come to power there is usually a need to build, rebuild and maintain major infrastructure … rather than hord the gold …

    The left, in their noble quest to make everyone equal, have had to to force people to comply with state policies, under threat of imprisonment, even death.

    What utter BS! The right’s obsession with death again! The NAZI’s were RIGHT WING …

    It was a right wing LIBERAL government that went to war in Vietnam … I was called up as a National Serviceman in 1970 under the threat of jail if I refused … and not even an Australian Citizen … a wife and child … let me repeat … a LIBERAL GOVERNMENT WENT TO WAR IN VIETNAM … a Labor government pulled us out …

    The left in Australia are not communists … however we do believe in social justice …

    As for the last … “Jesus would not have condoned that” … firstly, how the fk would you know what JC would do …?

    JC may not have but by Christ his “churches” did … Crusades, Inquisitions, Witch Hunts, Money Laundering for the enemy (WWII The Vatican) … and I might remind you that most of this was during monarchist periods … always a den of right whingers if ever I saw one …

    I agree with one statement … Jesus (if he existed) would not have condoned all the hatred and vitriol from ignorant people … (I just remembered a woman saying to my wife that if our children were not Baptised then they could not be accepted into Heaven … my wife replied, “Didn’t Jesus, say, “Suffer the little children to come unto me”? The woman then said, ” But he meant only Christian children” … The Minister (my wife – ‘scuse the pun) , replied … “Then my children wouldn’t want to go to a heaven that so judged other innocent children” …

    Talk about mangle your history … ToSY … and you were allowed to get away with it … astounding …

    … and the “oh I was only joking”, doesn’t wash this time … A generalisation, but mostly correct … mostly correct? By whose slipp’ry standards? Yours? The RIGHT? Who are invariably wrong … leaving the LEFT to clean up the crap …

    … of course .. just jokin’ …

    PS The left don’t have a “noble quest”, to my knowledge, Jesus C did and in fact he was considered to be the first socialist and I quote … “All men are born equal” … but thanks for the compliment …

    Ask yourself … if JC was born again … would he vote Labor or LibNats? (Remember the moneylender verses before you answer … 😈

  143. Tony permalink
    July 28, 2012 7:18 pm

    A couple of points . . .

    TB: “The left does not have a “noble quest to make everyone ‘equal’” … in fact those of us on the left KNOW that everyone isn’t equal”

    Wikipedia: “In politics, the Left, left-wing and leftists are people or views which generally support social change to create a more egalitarian society. They usually involve a concern for those in society who are disadvantaged relative to others and an assumption that there are unjustified inequalities (which right-wing politics views as natural or traditional) that should be reduced or abolished. Left-wing positions vary from centre-left, which believes in promoting more social equality through equal opportunity and opposes a large concentration of wealth in the hands of a small percentage of the population; and the far-left, which believes in complete social equality in society and an end to all forms of social hierarchy.”

    TB: “a LIBERAL GOVERNMENT WENT TO WAR IN VIETNAM … a Labor government pulled us out”

    Wiki: “21 September, 1971 — the Battle of Nui Le takes place in Phuoc Tuy Province. A tactically inconclusive encounter between troops from the 4th Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment and the NVA 33rd Regiment north of Nui Dat, it proved to be the last major battle fought by Australian forces in the war. Five Australians are killed and 30 wounded.
    16 October, 1971 — Australian forces hand over control of the Australian base at Nui Dat to South Vietnamese forces.
    9 December, 1971 — 4 RAR, the last Australian infantry battalion in South Vietnam, sails for Australia on board HMAS Sydney.”

    But hang on a minute. The Whitlam Government wasn’t elected until the 2nd of December, 1972. 😯

    TB: “The NAZI’s were RIGHT WING …”

    That was answered in 1944 by Friedrich Von Hayek: The Socialist Roots of Naziism.

    In fairness, though, Wikipedia says maybe:

    ‘A majority of scholars identify Nazism in practice as a form of far-right politics. Far right themes in Nazism include the argument that superior people have a right to dominate over others and purge society of supposed inferior elements. Adolf Hitler and other proponents officially portrayed Nazism as being neither left- nor right-wing, but syncretic. Hitler in Mein Kampf directly attacked both left-wing and right-wing politics in Germany, saying: “Today our left-wing politicians in particular are constantly insisting that their craven-hearted and obsequious foreign policy necessarily results from the disarmament of Germany, whereas the truth is that this is the policy of traitors […] But the politicians of the Right deserve exactly the same reproach. It was through their miserable cowardice that those ruffians of Jews who came into power in 1918 were able to rob the nation of its arms.”

    ‘Hitler, when asked whether he supported the “bourgeois right-wing”, claimed that Nazism was not exclusively for any class, and indicated that it favoured neither the left nor the right, but preserved “pure” elements from both “camps”, stating: “From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism”.’

    Or, you could have a look at a very thorough exposition here: Hitler Was A Socialist.

    Enjoy. 🙂

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2012 7:23 pm

    Busy at the mment, ToSY, Hitler believed in GOD … what a Fuckwit!

  145. July 29, 2012 10:43 am

    “In fairness, though…”

    Better late than never.

    A late, begrudging concession.

    Only PJmediaphiles genuinely walk around thinking that Hitler was a leftist. It’s mainly due to the successful campaign of social marxism conducted by such rightwing luminaries as that smug prick (can’t remember his name) who is regularly linked in PJmedia vids, rewriting history to disown one of the greatest rightwing monsters of all time.

    It takes a big man to admit in print when he’s been lead up the garden path. Bravo.

    ROFLMAO

  146. July 29, 2012 11:00 am

    tsodhpotha: “It takes a big man to admit in print when he’s been lead up the garden path.”

    😯 I think that’s called verballing.

    “Wikipedia says maybe” is hardly a mea culpa. I quoted them “in fairness” because I’d used them as a reference for the two previous points. You’ll note I also provided two dissenting references.

  147. July 29, 2012 12:10 pm

    😆

    Yes, those ‘dissenting references’ are fine old chestnuts.

    There’s no need to be embarrassed. It is a true sign of a man’s character to acknowledge that their doctrinal programming has lead them astray in the past.
    Well done sir!

    Verballing? what even is that?!

    😉

    * wikipedia probably has a niche page asserting that Anders Breivik wasn’t ‘of the right’ either.

  148. July 29, 2012 12:12 pm

    having a bit of a lend, obviously

  149. July 29, 2012 12:48 pm

    (Yeah, I wasn’t sure if you were joking. 😉 )

    Another chestnut:

    “Why Are We Socialists?

    We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

    Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the fatherland!

    The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.

    The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In its place will come the class of productive workers, the working class, that has been up until today oppressed. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. The battle began in the economic realm; it will finish in the political. It is not merely a matter of wages, not only a matter of the number of hours worked in a day — though we may never forget that these are an essential, perhaps even the most significant part of the socialist platform — but it is much more a matter of incorporating a powerful and responsible class in the state, perhaps even to make it the dominant force in the future politics of the fatherland. The bourgeoisie does not want to recognize the strength of the working class. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. While the working class gradually disintegrates in the Marxist front, bleeding itself dry, the bourgeoisie and Marxism have agreed on the general lines of capitalism, and see their task now to protect and defend it in various ways, often concealed.

    We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces. We have no intention of begging for that right. Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation. The question is larger than the eight-hour day. It is a matter of forming a new state consciousness that includes every productive citizen. Since the political powers of the day are neither willing nor able to create such a situation, socialism must be fought for. It is a fighting slogan both inwardly and outwardly. It is aimed domestically at the bourgeois parties and Marxism at the same time, because both are sworn enemies of the coming workers’ state. It is directed abroad at all powers that threaten our national existence and thereby the possibility of the coming socialist national state.

    Socialism is possible only in a state that is united domestically and free internationally. The bourgeoisie and Marxism are responsible for failing to reach both goals, domestic unity and international freedom. No matter how national and social these two forces present themselves, they are the sworn enemies of a socialist national state.

    We must therefore break both groups politically. The lines of German socialism are sharp, and our path is clear.

    We are against the political bourgeoisie, and for genuine nationalism!

    We are against Marxism, but for true socialism!

    We are for the first German national state of a socialist nature!

    We are for the National Socialist German Workers Party!”

    From ‘Those Damned Nazis’ by Joseph Goebbels

    http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/haken32.htm

  150. July 29, 2012 1:00 pm

    And another . . .

    Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian

    http://mises.org/daily/1937

  151. el gordo permalink
    July 29, 2012 1:38 pm

    We have to give the ACCC some teeth…

    ‘THE Australian Competition and Consumer Commission does not have the power to force businesses to lower their prices if the carbon tax is removed by a Coalition government, even though Tony Abbott says the body will be in charge of ensuring prices fall.’

    Sue Dunlevy in the Oz

  152. el gordo permalink
    July 29, 2012 4:33 pm

    The ACCC is powerless and ineffective, thinking of the dairy farmers battle with Woolies and Coles earlier this year, so if they now tell Abbott they can’t force power prices lower….he will need to give them some teeth in advance or risk losing the election.

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2012 5:53 pm

    Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian

    You really do miss the point, ToSY … just because I believe in social justice doesn’t mean I want to go and kill people who don’t … the thrust of my reply was to make you realise the labelling that you and other posters here play at … anyone can do it and there is plenty of farnham bear material (ie cut & paste) that will “make” any labelling sound reasonable … to unreasonable people …

    Goebbels was expert at labelling all sorts of people the Jews, Slavs, gays, disabled and mentally ill, … and “reasonable”, “intelligent” people went along with the sham while others believed because they wanted to believe, they weren’t under the spotlight …

    It seems that as soon as one the left leaning posters here makes a case for something opposite to the LibNats propaganda, out come the communist, socialist, killing and death slurs … we do not live in a communist or socialist country, nor is anyone here a communist or socialist …

    … as a member of one of the best “democratic” countries in the world I find those tactics childish to say the least …

    And at the risk of sounding patronising (or pompous) I am disappointed that you would follow that line of thinking …

    FYI, as an adult, I have only voluntarily been a member of two organisations (outside of professional institutes) … a model railway club and the local library … I suppose that makes me a card carrying member of the library?

    At least you can’t burn ebooks?

    Crap! My ereaders’s smokin’!!! What have you done!

  154. el gordo permalink
    July 29, 2012 7:25 pm

    Christopher Booker in the UK Telegraph

    Greenland’s ice cap was on the brink of melting… for a few hours

    ‘Nothing could have better demonstrated the desperate straits to which global warmists have been driven as they try to keep their scare going than two satellite pictures in last Tuesday’s Guardian, showing a change that had come over the Greenland ice cap. One showed, in white, the second-largest mass of land ice on the planet, seemingly intact. The other, taken a few days later, showed in pink a seemingly ubiquitous melting. These Nasa pictures, we were told, showed alarmingly that, for the first time in history, the surface ice was melting right across Greenland. It took only hours for this scare story to be blown apart.

    ‘A tiny rise in air temperatures had momentarily taken them just above freezing, enough to melt a few inches of surface ice. But the ice below it, up to two miles deep, had been unaffected. This had happened before, in 1889. Ice cores show that it happens every 150 years or so. Within hours, as even the BBC admitted, the ice had frozen again. The shortest scare in history was over.’

  155. el gordo permalink
    July 30, 2012 12:27 pm

    Channelling the Bolter..

    ‘Writing exclusively in The Australian Financial Review today, economist and former Reserve Bank of ­Australia board member Warwick McKibbin warns that the high dollar, the carbon tax and high labour costs are driving rapid adjustment pressures on manufacturing that require Productivity Commission scrutiny….’

  156. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 30, 2012 2:57 pm

    Hitler Is Not A Liberal Despite Conservative Attempts To Rewrite History:
    http://www.themidnightreview.com/2010/04/hitler-is-not-liberal-despite.html#!/2010/04/hitler-is-not-liberal-despite.html

    …Conservatives need to go to school and take some history courses, because as they are fond of saying that history repeats itself, they are fitting right into that mold, and that mold is none other then Adolf Hitler’s…

    Anyone can see the same methods and politics that Hitler employed being repeated in the politics and policies of conservatism today.

    Myth: Hitler was a leftist.

    Fact: Nearly all of Hitler’s beliefs placed him on the far right.

    Power politics and militarism over pacifism:

    …Allan Bullock, probably the world’s greatest Hitler historian, sums up Hitler’s political method in one sentence:

    “Stripped of their romantic trimmings, all Hitler’s ideas can be reduced to a simple claim for power which recognizes only one relationship, that of domination, and only one argument, that of force.” (21)…

    Sounds much like Tony Abbott’s asylum seeker argument doesn’t it?

    “Defence will do as they are told”

    Capitalism over Marxism:

    “…Bullock writes of Hitler’s views on Marxism:
    “While Hitler’s attitude towards liberalism was one of contempt, towards Marxism he showed an implacable hostility…

    …As Hitler himself would write:
    “The German state is gravely attacked by Marxism.” (34)
    “In the years 1913 and 1914, I… expressed the conviction that the question of the future of the German nation was the question of destroying Marxism.” (35)…”

    “Individualism over collectivism.
    Racism or racial segregation over racial tolerance.
    Eugenics over freedom of reproduction.
    Merit over equality.
    Competition over cooperation.
    Power politics and militarism over pacifism.
    One-person rule or self-rule over democracy.
    Capitalism over Marxism.
    Realism over idealism.
    Nationalism over internationalism.
    Exclusiveness over inclusiveness.
    Meat-eating over vegetarianism.
    Gun ownership over gun control
    Common sense over theory or science.
    Pragmatism over principle.
    Religion over secularism

    …It doesn’t take a genius to correlate these right wing tenets and the rhetoric heard coming from the Tea Party and advantageous Republicans who are playing their base (much like Hitler did). Think of recent news – the tolerance of right wing racism among tea party ranks, the stress of merit over equality (like the Republican push to pass merit pay for teachers in Florida, but in all fairness, this is similar to the Presidents plan as well), support of military while labeling Democrats as weak, placing capitalism on a pedestal, extreme national pride (remember attacks against a certain American flag pin?), constant attacks against environmentalists and vegetarians, and the best for last, the constant push to create America into a Christian nation…”

    “The commies are coming, the commies are coming”

    ‘scuse me, gotta run to the toilet, I just lost control of both my bladder and bowels! 😆

  157. public toilet permalink
    July 30, 2012 3:11 pm

    * squirt, squirt…

  158. el gordo permalink
    July 30, 2012 3:13 pm

    ‘Pragmatism over principle.’

    Realpolitik.

  159. July 30, 2012 4:28 pm

    Mises and Hayek were not “rewriting history”. They wrote their respective critiques of Nazi(i)sm while Hitler was still in power.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotent_Government

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_to_Serfdom

  160. el gordo permalink
    July 30, 2012 5:04 pm

    Our energy prices sitting just below Denmark and Germany.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/power-prices-to-be-highest-in-the-world/story-e6frea83-1226305741810

  161. el gordo permalink
    August 2, 2012 8:03 pm

    ‘IN THE theory of man-made climate change, two-thirds of the predicted warming comes from changes in humidity and clouds, and only one-third comes directly from the extra carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases.

    ‘The theory assumes humidity and clouds amplify the warming directly due to CO2 by a factor of three: extra CO2 warms the ocean surface, causing more evaporation and extra humidity. Water vapour, or humidity, is the main greenhouse gas, so this causes even more surface warming.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/climate-change-science-is-a-load-of-hot-air-and-warmists-are-wrong-20120801-23fdv.html#ixzz22NiozMnK

  162. el gordo permalink
    August 3, 2012 8:06 pm

    I put this up at RTB, but as the centre left has imploded…I’ll drop it here.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/02/earths-co2-sinks-increasing-their-uptake/

  163. el gordo permalink
    August 3, 2012 8:08 pm

    “What we are seeing is that the Earth continues to do the heavy lifting by taking up huge amounts of carbon dioxide, even while humans have done very little to reduce carbon emissions,” said Ballantyne. “How long this will continue, we don’t know.”

    Gaia Lives!

  164. el gordo permalink
    August 3, 2012 8:31 pm

    In the land of the long white cloud the Klimatariat is being routed by the Sceptics.

    http://johnosullivan.wordpress.com/

  165. el gordo permalink
    August 3, 2012 8:34 pm

    ‘At a stroke this case may affirm that up to one quarter of our planet’s climate records have been fraudulently audited. As such this provides compelling legal ammunition to other pending/ongoing lawsuits that have arisen in the aftermath of the Climategate scandal.’

  166. el gordo permalink
    August 4, 2012 2:14 pm

    A good season coming up…food security.

    ‘Climate models suggest weak El Niño conditions are likely to be reached some time in late winter or spring. No climate models suggest a return to La Niña conditions.’

    From BoM

  167. el gordo permalink
    August 5, 2012 1:59 pm

    Jo Nova takes on Robert Manne…

    ‘And as for “orthodox” and organized – any random group of a hundred skeptics would argue 120 different positions. Go on ask them: What’s the most powerful flaw in the man-made warming scare? Is it the economics, the failure of renewables, the irrational need to ignore nuclear energy, or perhaps the thing that really bugs them is the fake nature of the so called “free market solution” — where everything that matters is fixed by the bureaucrats rather than the market?

    ‘Could the most silly thing about the climate debate be the fact that temperatures have been flat for a decade; the ocean isn’t warming much; the hot spot is missing; the thermometers are next to heat sinks; the ice cores show CO2 rises after the temperature (not before); the thermometer results were always adjusted up and the alarmists hide declines and results, reviews, codes or datasets or all of the above; alarmists also bully and call people names (denier) — boy that’s a red flag for some skeptics.

    ‘For others ,in the end, even if we behave as obedient pussies and do everything the Gods of science tell us too, we all know that in a hundred years the world will cool by 0C and the seas will fall by no centimeters. (Yes, I’m rounding, but do you really want to fight over those details?)’

  168. el gordo permalink
    August 7, 2012 9:13 pm

    ‘To secure cheap energy alternatives requires innovation — technological, but also institutional and social. Nuclear power offers the promise of large scale carbon-free energy, but is currently expensive and controversial.

    ‘Carbon capture from coal and gas, large-scale wind, and solar each offer tantalizing possibilities, but remain technologically immature and expensive, especially when compared to gas. The innovation challenge is enormous, but so is the scale of the problem.

    ‘A focus on innovation — not on debates over climate science or a mythical high carbon price — is where we’ll make [progress].’

    Roger Pielke Jr

  169. el gordo permalink
    August 8, 2012 8:21 am

    This is a month old, but it may be of some interest to TB.

    ‘It seems that the teaching of climate change ideology & propaganda is about to be removed from Queensland schools:

    ‘A BODY representing nearly 70,000 Australian scientists has criticised a Queensland Liberal National Party resolution calling for mainstream climate science to be cut from the state’s school curriculum.

    ‘LNP delegates at the party’s state conference passed a motion yesterday calling on Education Minister John-Paul Langbroek to stop the teaching of ”environmental propaganda material, in particular post-normal science about climate change”.

    ‘The mover of the motion, Noosa LNP member Richard Pearson, attacked ”false prophets who would poison the minds of our children in our schools”.

    ”Few people understand that the so-called science of climate change is really what can be defined as post-normal science,” he said, arguing it went beyond traditional understanding of science. The motion was passed with overwhelming support…..’

  170. el gordo permalink
    August 12, 2012 4:00 pm

    The new republican vp Paul Ryan is a climate change sceptic….this from 2009 on Climategate.

    ‘At issue …are published e-mail exchanges from the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU). These e-mails from leading climatologists make clear efforts to use statistical tricks to distort their findings and intentionally mislead the public on the issue of climate change.

    ‘The CRU e-mail scandal reveals a perversion of the scientific method, where data were manipulated to support a predetermined conclusion. The e-mail scandal has not only forced the resignation of a number of discredited scientists, but it also marks a major step back on the need to preserve the integrity of the scientific community.

    ‘While interests on both sides of the issue will debate the relevance of the manipulated or otherwise omitted data, these revelations undermine confidence in the scientific data driving the climate change debates.’

  171. el gordo permalink
    August 13, 2012 1:24 pm

    Raw Data

  172. el gordo permalink
    August 16, 2012 2:58 pm

    Civilisation is a double edged sword.

  173. el gordo permalink
    August 20, 2012 2:58 pm

    Our worst fears are about to be realised, small to very small businesses to suffer. My laundry has already put up their prices by 8% which I’ll have difficulty passing on.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/carbon-pain-registers-for-businesses/story-e6freuy9-1226453653623

  174. el gordo permalink
    August 24, 2012 8:02 pm

    The sun is the main driver of our earthly weather.

    WASHINGTON – ‘Scientists have long suspected that the Sun’s 11-year cycle influences climate of certain regions on Earth. Yet records of average, seasonal temperatures do not date back far enough to confirm any patterns. Now, armed with a unique proxy, an international team of researchers show that unusually cold winters in Central Europe are related to low solar activity – when sunspot numbers are minimal. The freezing of Germany’s largest river, the Rhine, is the key.’

    From the American Geophysical Union

  175. el gordo permalink
    August 26, 2012 7:07 pm

    James Delingpole in the UK Telegraph…

    “I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep
    them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!”

    ‘Phil Jones to Michael Mann, Climategate emails, July 8th 2004.

    ‘If you can’t spot what’s wrong with this email, don’t worry you’re in great company. Among the numerous luminaries who can’t are environmental activist and filmmaker Rupert Murray, celebrity mathematician Simon Singh, celebrity Nobel Prizewinner Sir Paul Nurse and celebrity Guardian doctor Ben Goldacre to name but four. To each one of them I have tried on occasion to explain why the corruption of “peer-review” is the issue that matters above all else in the Climategate emails. But none of them, sadly, was bright enough to get it.

    ‘Sigh’.

  176. el gordo permalink
    August 28, 2012 8:38 pm

    Wonder what the electorate will make of this?

    ‘After weeks of secretive talks between the Gillard government and the Greens, Climate Change Minister Greg Combet has announced Labor will scrap the planned $15 floor price on carbon permits in a major overhaul of the carbon pricing scheme.

    ‘Following intense lobbying from business and threats by the independent MP Rob Oakeshott to block the floor price, the government will ditch the mechanism and instead restrict the purchase of cheap overseas permits from developing countries.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/government-to-scrap-carbon-floor-price-20120828-24xuo.html#ixzz24ptRAOYR

  177. el gordo permalink
    August 28, 2012 9:54 pm

    A black hole has just formed…

    ‘THE Gillard government faces a multi-billion dollar budget hit following its announcement today that it will axe its carbon floor price from 2015 under a deal with the European Union to link the Australian and EU carbon trading schemes.

    Ben Packham and Dennis Shanahan in the Oz.

  178. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    August 29, 2012 1:31 am

    el gordo,

    I have always been troubled by the assertion of AGW on many levels but most importantly by the idea that we humans understand such a complex system without the employment of things like say, the “Scientific Method” and then that thing called “history” being excluded…The whole thing just stinks…

  179. el gordo permalink
    August 29, 2012 7:07 am

    Yep…the CO2 is a pollutant meme is a fraud and our joolya is a fkn ignorant prick. Thanks for asking Sparta.

  180. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2012 9:16 am

    True el gordo

    When the government lied about the carbon tax, the rational for the fixed price was to provide certainty. Gillard, Wong, Combet, Swan all argued that a fixed price was required to provide certainty, for business and planning as well as consumers.

    Not now, we have a new range of arguments to support moving to a variable price.

    How does a variable price support investment in alternative energy? It doesn’t- is the short answer.

    All those convoluted self serving arguments to support a lie are now replaced by new self serving arguments – to support the same lie.

    This is a government with no direction, it just makes it up on the run.

  181. JAWS permalink
    August 29, 2012 9:28 am

    Why is the current European price the corect price in 3 years time but not now ?

  182. Airstrip One permalink
    August 29, 2012 9:30 am

    It’s okay. Tom R will be here shortly to explain how we’ve always been at war with Eastasia.

  183. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2012 9:37 am

    Apparently the price in Europe is $10. But Combet is certain that it will be $29 in 3 years.

    He’ll also have to nominate the value of the $A in 3 years. Will it be the same, higher, lower? $0.90, or $0.80 or $1.10?

    Combet is a genius, he is certain of the carbon price, and therefore the currency price in 3 years.

  184. JAWS permalink
    August 29, 2012 9:53 am

    “…….Combet is a genius, he is certain of the carbon price, and therefore the currency price in 3 years.”

    Well I feel better now that he’s a genius.

    Without the $29 per tonne we were looking at Fed Govt revenue shortfalls of $20B each years for 4 years.

    That would be an $80 BILLION DOLLAR BLACKHOLE…..ya know

  185. JAWS permalink
    August 29, 2012 9:55 am

    Still cant work out why is floating EU price is the correct price to use in 3 years but not now ?

  186. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 29, 2012 10:11 am

  187. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2012 10:12 am

    I think you mean… $80 BILLION DOLLAR BLACKHOLE!!!!!!!!!

  188. el gordo permalink
    August 29, 2012 10:49 am

    ‘Still cant work out why is floating EU price is the correct price to use in 3 years but not now ?’

    The bubble would burst, with monstrous ramifications.

  189. JAWS permalink
    August 29, 2012 12:27 pm

    Really Eg……………………………..now who woulda thunk that ?

  190. el gordo permalink
    August 29, 2012 5:10 pm

    To be honest I’m not sure what would happen, but with 23 new coal-fired power plants under construction in Germany, you might be excused for thinking the honeymoon is over.

    It appears this coal renaissance is due to the collapsing price of carbon in Europe.

  191. el gordo permalink
    August 31, 2012 8:54 am

    The CO2 debacle…

    ‘First it has abandoned the intent of the carbon tax, which as the Government appears to have forgotten, is an 80 per cent reduction in Australian emissions by 2050. Achieving such a level would be impossible at $23 per tonne (a tax that has raised the wholesale price of electricity by 40 per cent).

    ‘To achieve its 80 per cent emission reduction objective would require a tax of over $150 per tonne… Linking the price to the European floor means it falls to $10, a level that will mean hardly an iota of emission reduction but imposes price rises to consumers and industry that will still drive many firms offshore and shrink the number of the most productive jobs.

    ‘Secondly, the fact that the existing and future spending requires a carbon tax of $23 per tonne escalating year by year has been abandoned leaves a massive hole in the budget… Dropping the price to $10 means tax collections halve from the $8 billion or so a year anticipated by the government. And if emitters fulfil all their requirements in emission credits from the EU then the Government will gain no tax…. If 100 million tonnes of carbon dioxide credits are bought in this way that means gifting the EU some $1 billion a year.’

    Alan Moran

  192. Why no link? permalink
    August 31, 2012 9:38 am

    Alan Moran is the Director of Deregulation unit at the right-wing think tank the Institute of Public Affairs. He works to end most government regulation and he is a climate change skeptic, opposing the Kyoto Protocol on climate change.

    In September 2005, Moran endorsed the concept of Australia establishing a dump for global nuclear waste. “It poses no threat, there have been no mishaps since 1944, but Australia could provide a permanent solution to other countries’ problems,” he said
    🙄

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Alan_Moran

    IPA – who wooda thunk it?
    http://www.ipa.org.au/publications/2080/be-like-gough:-75-radical-ideas-to-transform-australia

  193. King Coal permalink
    August 31, 2012 9:45 am

    ‘The world’s most abundant fossil fuel could be tapped without moving mountains, delivered without trucks or trains and burned without greenhouse-gas emissions.

    ‘The technology to make this possible has been around for decades. Underground coal gasification was pioneered by Sir William Siemens in the 1860s to light London’s streets. Vladimir Lenin hailed the method in a 1913 article in Pravda for its potential to rescue Russians from hazards of underground mines.

    ‘Despite its early boosters, the technology never caught on in the U.S., mostly for cost reasons. Now the improvements in seismic mapping and drilling that lit a fire under the U.S. fracking boom may also spur development of a domestic coal gas industry, proponents said.’

    ‘“The shale gas revolution is opening doors for the coal gas revolution,” said Richard Morse, director of coal and carbon research at Stanford University in Palo Alto, California. “We knew it was there but couldn’t get it out in a cost- effective way.”’

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-28/coal-greens-love-buoyed-by-shale-gas-hydrualic-fracking.html

  194. Carbon permitted permalink
    August 31, 2012 10:09 am

    ‘Germany’s largest utilities are shunning cleaner-burning natural gas because it’s more costly, while the collapsing cost of carbon permits means there’s little penalty for burning coal. European Union carbon emissions may rise 43 million metric tons this year because of increased coal burning at power stations.

    ‘Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government says RWE AG (RWE)’s new power plant that can supply 3.4 million homes aids her plan to exit nuclear energy and switch to cleaner forms of generation. It’s fired with coal.’

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-19/merkel-s-green-shift-forces-germany-to-burn-more-coal-energy.html

  195. el gordo permalink
    August 31, 2012 10:10 am

    Moran’s nuclear dump idea fits in very nicely with that Fabian Bob Hawke, but I’m against the idea.

  196. el gordo permalink
    August 31, 2012 10:27 am

    The IPA link makes some good points and the list goes well beyond my portfolio, but I’m definitely in favour of repealing the tax on a harmless trace gas.

    My guess is that Abbott will drop the direct action plan before the election and with a Green Army help save his environmental credentials …and watermelon votes.

  197. August 31, 2012 10:53 am

    The rest of the world can stick its nuclear waste up its proverbial!
    I have naught but contempt for anyone, especially if they are Australian, suggesting that it should be stored here!

    That SuperTrawler currently in SA waters also shits me.

  198. August 31, 2012 10:55 am

    Not too many watermelons are stupid enough to vote for Abbott & his dubious ‘Green Credentials’, I reckon.
    Those types are predisposed to be supremely cynical about any silver tongued crap from him regarding the environment.

  199. el gordo permalink
    August 31, 2012 11:14 am

    Abbott’s 15,000 strong green army is a vote catcher, but you’re right boss, the watermelons are the wrong demographic.

    He will sway the undecided on CC with a ‘look over there’ moment…..by convincing them that taxpayers money would be better spent in repairing and preventing environmental damage.

    More importantly, he will attempt to pass legislation to give the states power over their own environment.

  200. Power politix permalink
    September 1, 2012 8:30 pm

    This is just more of the same green madness in Europe. Austria, for example, has a policy of no nuclear energy. So they buy much of their electricity from neighbouring Czech Republic, generated by — wait for it — nuclear power stations!

    ‘European countries may soon have to import shale gas from Russia if the green energy lobby has its way. The prospect of even deeper reliance on Russian gas together with a new rush to coal burning may be the unintended yet inevitable consequence of the ongoing opposition by green campaigners and policy-makers to domestic European shale development. As a result, Europe has failed to join the shale revolution that has swept the US. Instead of benefiting from cheap shale gas, lower CO2 emissions, new industries and hundreds of thousands of new jobs, Europe is constraining itself with self-imposed green limits to growth.’

    http://www.publicserviceeurope.com/article/2376/europe-dithering-over-joining-shale-gas-revolution

  201. el gordo permalink
    September 1, 2012 9:12 pm

    More from Tony’s link…this makes a mockery of European carbon pricing and our attachment to it.

    ‘As gas is displacing coal for electricity generation in the US, the shale revolution has led to a dramatic reduction in CO2 emissions – down to 1992 levels. According to government officials, the main reason is that cheap and abundant shale gas has led power plant operators to switch from coal to natural gas.

    ‘The shale boom has caused the price of gas to plummet from $12 per unit about five years ago to less than $3, making natural gas much cheaper to burn than coal.’

  202. el gordo permalink
    September 2, 2012 2:04 pm

    A smart politician, on either side of the house, could stand up and say let’s follow the American model and reduce our carbon footprint to 1990 levels. This would allow them to immediately drop the tax.

    ‘Nobody knows the extent of the shale gas resource in Australia but the potential is big, perhaps big enough to reduce coal seam gas to a sideshow.

    ‘The US shale revolution, spurred by the advent of horizontal drilling and fracture stimulation (or fracking) technology, transformed world energy markets in five years.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/why-shale-gas-is-still-the-next-big-thing-20120518-1yvx2.html#ixzz25HVvGYVr

  203. Fracking oath permalink
    September 2, 2012 2:15 pm

    ‘A smart politician, on either side of the house, could stand up and say let’s follow the American model and reduce our carbon footprint to 1990 levels. This would allow them to immediately drop the tax.’

    That would be the perfectly sensible solution to the CO2 “problem”, el gordo. But what’s more likely to happen here is that dark green groups will lobby so ferociously that fracking will be regulated and taxed into unfeasibility.

  204. el gordo permalink
    September 2, 2012 2:48 pm

    From the link above…

    ‘Australia’s shale gas reserves are not located under prime agricultural country but in the middle of the desert, and there is a gas pipeline nearby at Moomba. Shale gas wells are deeper – generally well below aquifers – and typically recover more gas per well, meaning fewer wells need to be drilled.’

    The ‘dark green groups’ have no part to play and I suspect even Barnaby will come on board.

  205. el gordo permalink
    September 2, 2012 3:04 pm

    ‘China is estimated to have the world’s largest shale gas reserves’ and I was wondering if this might have a negative impact on Australian export of natural gas?

  206. el gordo permalink
    September 2, 2012 3:15 pm

    You heard it here first, our exports of natural gas and coal are likely to evaporate.

    ‘The fuel also could help move China, the world’s biggest carbon emitter, toward cleaner energy. Shale gasproduces about one-third the carbon dioxide of coal, which supplies 70% of China’s energy needs today, notes Noam Lior, a professor of mechanical engineering and applied mechanics at the University of Pennsylvania.

    ‘Also, “making gasoline or liquid fuels from coal is costly and energy consuming,” he says. “But gas [which can be converted to liquid more readily] can be used for heating, power generation and industrial processes.”

    ‘Moreover, “if done properly, shale gas could reduce carbon dioxide as a transition away from coal, hopefully to something better, like renewable energy,” adds Sung. The trick is to adopt responsible fracking practices that reduce the leakage of methane, which is more than 20 times more harmful that carbon dioxide, he says.’

    Strategic Management

  207. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 2, 2012 3:23 pm

    I have no problem with Lomborg’s (I think) idea. Give the Unis some money and tell them to make renewables, especially solar, reliable and affordable. Baseload solar is undoubtedly a better option because it’s endless.

    But the CO2 debate has never been about the environment. It has always been about wealth redistribution.

  208. el gordo permalink
    September 2, 2012 3:42 pm

    ‘Baseload solar is undoubtedly a better option because it’s endless.’

    Yes…possibly for a medium sized town, but for large cities the concept is wrong headed. The renewable bandwagon will soon appear as antiquated junk science, built on a theory that CO2 alters temperature.

  209. el gordo permalink
    September 2, 2012 3:49 pm

    ‘It has always been about wealth redistribution.’

    For sure…the Klimatariat ran a masterly campaign, cloaked in the ‘precautionary principle’, its too bad for them that its all gone belly up.

    I still want my pound of flesh…

  210. el gordo permalink
    September 3, 2012 6:49 pm

    The Bolter is against spending money in the Pacific on CC, but its good policy if you consider the imminent danger of global cooling.

    http://www.pm.gov.au/press-office/adapting-climate-change-pacific

  211. el gordo permalink
    September 4, 2012 6:03 pm

    While you’re there minipig, southern hemisphere sea surface temperatures continue to fall.

    Global cooling gathers pace.

  212. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 7:30 am

    ‘AUSTRALIA’S highest-emitting brown coal electricity generators are between $400 million and $1 billion better off than they would have been if there were no carbon tax, new modelling shows.

    ‘The brown coal generators’ stronger-than-expected financial position yesterday forced the
    Gillard government to abandon its attempts to pay some of them to close down by 2020, infuriating environmental groups and the Greens.

    ‘Giving up on the negotiations frees at least $1 billion in the budget from 2013-14.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/carbon-tax-leaves-big-polluters-better-off-20120905-25exz.html#ixzz25dJGeQgg

    guffaw

  213. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 7:46 am

    Three cheers for Martin Ferguson and this sensible Labor government strategy. Wonder what the cafe mob will make of it?

    ‘PLANS to replace heavily polluting coal-fired power stations with “cleaner” electricity are in turmoil and a new rift has opened between Labor and the Greens after the government scuttled a key plank of its carbon policy yesterday.

    ‘Energy Minister Martin Ferguson yesterday abandoned talks to pay for the closure of some coal power stations – including Australia’s dirtiest facility, Hazelwood in Victoria’s Latrobe Valley – saying there was a “material gap” between what the generators wanted and what the government was prepared to pay, particularly with forecasts for lower energy demand.’

    Annabel Hepworth in the Oz.

  214. el gordo permalink
    September 6, 2012 8:12 pm

    A recent coronial mass ejection (CME).

  215. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 12:37 pm

    In overseas news…Delingpole to run in Corby against wind farms.

    http://order-order.com/2012/09/06/wind-of-change-in-corby/

  216. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 12:47 pm

    Solar radiation has a big impact on our earthly environment.

    http://media.washtimes.com/media/image/2012/09/06/radiation_s640x466.jpg?4180073ee5adc95ed997f421cfad488a40196023

    Anthony Watts (WUWT) has also discovered that the sun influences Martian landscapes.

  217. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 4:10 pm

    http://kzoo.co/VfEZvW

  218. el gordo permalink
    September 7, 2012 8:45 pm

    Further to that vid …its rumoured that ‘a few green groups have been buying big grazing properties recently, cheap, that have been on the market for years, run-down and virtually unsaleable. They have also received fed govt assistance with the purchase.

    ‘With the profits they can go on a buying spree.’

  219. el gordo permalink
    September 8, 2012 12:30 pm

  220. el gordo permalink
    September 8, 2012 4:04 pm

    ‘A courtroom format in Orkney next week will tackle the question of climate change.

    ‘For many years the debate has raged in newspaper columns and internet blogs – Is the climate really changing? And are we the cause?

    ‘Now as part of the Orkney International Science Festival the courtroom method is bring applied. The aim is to get at the truth by bringing the two sides together, gathering the evidence from each, and subjecting it to examination and cross-examination.’

  221. el gordo permalink
    September 21, 2012 10:32 am

    I’ll just drop this here for later reference…

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-food-prices-solar-cycle

  222. Ol' Sancty permalink
    September 21, 2012 11:39 am

    Rumour has it the next IPCC report will be somewhat lukewarm on the certainty re climate change being manmade. Something like “it may be natural, it may be anthropogenic, we’re not sure”.

  223. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 21, 2012 1:57 pm

    This is worth a read. Looks to me like a classic case of how ignorance, prejudice and bad statistics still pass the peer review process:

    1. Desperate psychologist pines for relevance in the climate change industry.
    2. Devises deeply flawed survey designed to reinforce his prejudices and mock “deniers”.
    3. Gets the statistical analysis horribly wrong.
    4. Coincidentally, the statistical errors are very similar to those in other flawed alarmist studies eg Mann’s hockey stick paper.
    5. Paper passes peer review, indicating serious defects in the peer review system when it comes to climate change.
    6. Lewandowsky and UWA have a severe credibility problem.

  224. el gordo permalink
    September 22, 2012 3:05 pm

    You may have heard that the sea ice all but disappeared in the Arctic this northern summer….because of global warming.

    There is now talk that a tipping point will be reached in 2015 and that the escape of methane will be the beginning of the end.

    Stop laffing, this is serious.

    The sceptics have been working very hard to try and disprove this end of world theory and have come up with a mechanism which made the ice disappear.

    http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index.html?media_id=152489941

    Of course AGW may have caused the cyclone, but I doubt it.

  225. el gordo permalink
    September 23, 2012 9:26 am

    Recently I returned to Deltoid and with Tim not well I managed to stay for a couple of weeks before being thrown overboard.

    Its weird the way he snipped everything I said, as if it didn’t happen, yet everyone is abusing me as if I’m there. Not a Clayton’s troll….just a ghost…

  226. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2012 12:43 pm

    just a troll dopey, your comments/flames are still there.

  227. el gordo permalink
    September 23, 2012 3:22 pm

    You mean their comments on their own make me look like a dopey troll?

    Lambert is not well and after the Lew Affair the blog is on its last legs, but it was fun to witness the end of deltoid. Post normal science wins.

    The good news is that krill have returned in vast numbers, so the food chain is operating normally and no mass extinction is expected any time soon.

  228. el gordo permalink
    September 23, 2012 4:04 pm

    Feathered flight.

  229. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2012 4:08 pm

    You mean their comments on their own make me look like a dopey troll?

    No, your comments on their own make you look like a dopey troll? The ones scattered across the blog, in a most un-ghostly fashion

  230. el gordo permalink
    September 23, 2012 5:54 pm

    The krill story….

    ‘Back at the bottom of the world, Dr. Bernard was thinking much more about krill health than human health on a recent morning as she plunged an echo sounder from her rubber Zodiac boat into the Southern Ocean, its water just 31 degrees Fahrenheit.

    ‘The reading looked good. “There was a massive influx!” she wrote by e-mail. “I had never seen so much krill on the echogram before.”

    ‘She collected nearly 1,000 krill in a plankton net. A whale nearby was ready to grab the ones Dr. Bernard missed; it can eat four tons of krill each day.

    ‘Dr. Bernard attributed the abundance to a healthy buildup of sea ice last winter. But the long-term trend is less certain, she said, and that does not bode well for krill or the larger creatures that depend on them.

    ‘On a good day just a year earlier, she noted, she had caught a mere 10 lonely krill.’

    Susan Moran NY Times March 12, 2012

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2012 6:15 pm

    Trolls don’t exist here – that’s the unintelligent reply often used on other sites.

  232. el gordo permalink
    September 23, 2012 6:15 pm

    Deltoid’s in its death throes, with only half a dozen regular grumpy old men agreeing with each other.

    I was joined by others in debating the locals and we made a fist of it….. they were all deleted as well. If you ban contrarian views, its just a chat room.

    I enjoyed mopping up.

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2012 6:29 pm

    Deltoid’s in its death throes, with only half a dozen regular grumpy old men agreeing with each other.

    A familiar “description” I recall from my ancient past …

  234. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2012 8:50 pm

    ”If you ban contrarian views, its just a chat room.

    Or a café with tame opponents.

  235. el gordo permalink
    September 24, 2012 6:41 am

    Jo Nova’s website has yet again been taken down by a hacking DDoS attack.

  236. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 8:31 am

    Does that mean that she is now a ‘Ghost’ also 😯

  237. el gordo permalink
    September 24, 2012 8:48 am

    She needs better security.

  238. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 8:56 am

    Actually, it says the account has been suspended grodo. Not a normal message for a DDoS attack? Perhaps that means she really is a ‘ghost’ in your own image? Or has it gone the way you wish Deltoid would go?

  239. el gordo permalink
    September 24, 2012 9:11 am

    Its generally believed Nova has been hacked.

    Here is something more on the Arctic ice melt.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444450004578002500275382408.html

  240. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 9:34 am

    Its generally believed

    Hang on, I thought you were all about getting ALL the facts, you know, cos thousands of peer-reviewed papers on AGW aren’t enough, but someone said something about a possible hack? Sounds legit :shock:;)

  241. el gordo permalink
    September 24, 2012 9:48 am

    ‘Sounds legit’

    The interwebys is not my area of expertise…Jo will be back soon.

  242. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 9:49 am

    The interwebys is not my area of expertise

    Add it to the list 🙂

  243. el gordo permalink
    September 24, 2012 9:50 am

    From the WSJ article…

    ‘If warming is supposed to be “global,” shouldn’t sea ice retreat at both ends of the world?’

  244. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2012 10:15 am

    ‘If warming is supposed to be “global,” shouldn’t sea ice retreat at both ends of the world?’

    facepalm

  245. el gordo permalink
    September 24, 2012 1:23 pm

    You have all the qualities of a clayton’s troll.

    ‘If warming is supposed to be “global,” shouldn’t sea ice retreat at both ends of the world?’

    The answer of course is yes.

  246. el gordo permalink
    September 25, 2012 5:04 pm

    ‘The only place anthropogenic global warming definitely exists is in climate models. They must be FORCED by greenhouse gases in order to make the simulated oceans and atmosphere warm. The instrument temperature record shows the oceans and surface temperatures have warmed, but those records cannot be used to prove manmade global warming exists.

    ‘On the other hand, as I have been showing for more that 3 ½ years, the instrument temperature record can be used to show that most if not all of the warming was caused by natural variables, and as a result, the observational data can be used to invalidate the climate models. If you’re not familiar with my work, refer to my recent post titled A Blog Memo to Kevin Trenberth – NCAR.’

    Bob Tisdale (guest post at Watts)

  247. el gordo permalink
    September 26, 2012 1:15 pm

    guffaw

    http://climaterealityproject.org/24hours/

  248. el gordo permalink
    September 26, 2012 3:50 pm

    Huffpo story finds Fox fibs on CC….LOL….the troof is out there.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/25/news-corp-climate-change-coverage_n_1912896.html

  249. el gordo permalink
    September 27, 2012 8:08 am

    The modern climate optimum doesn’t look so hot.

    http://www.nipccreport.org/articles/2012/aug/1aug2012a1.html

  250. el gordo permalink
    September 28, 2012 11:14 am

    Lew backs down on ‘deniers’.

    http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/lewandowsky-to-remove-all-blog-based-references/

  251. el gordo permalink
    September 30, 2012 10:26 am

    Highest ever Antarctic sea ice in the satellite record.

  252. el gordo permalink
    September 30, 2012 3:04 pm

    Greek electricity system near collapse.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/29/greek-electricity-system-faces-collapse/

  253. el gordo permalink
    October 1, 2012 7:31 am

    ‘POWER company bosses and state governments, quietly drawing annual dividends from their utilities, have done well from rising electricity prices in recent years. But the other big winners have been foreign multinationals.

    ‘A BusinessDay investigation into executive remuneration found that frontline pay at the likes of foreign-owned SP AusNet and Spark Infrastructure has been modest when compared with the dazzling salaries at energy retailers AGL and Origin Energy.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/foreign-multinationals-happily-plugged-into-our-energy-grid-20120930-26tjc.html#ixzz27zVJqfhU

  254. el gordo permalink
    October 1, 2012 8:14 am

    ‘In many places in Australia, temperature rises about sixteen degrees from dawn to mid-afternoon – over say eight hours, or two degrees per hour. So people who can cope with a daily warming of 16 degrees over 8 hours are supposed to panic about a fudged forecast of two degrees over a century – about the warming we feel in just one hour every morning. Even less “frightening” is the less than one degree of warming that has occurred over the last 200 years.

    ‘Why worry about warming anyhow?’

    Viv Forbes at Watts

  255. October 1, 2012 5:57 pm

    New Essential Poll Carbon Tax: Support 38 (+3) Oppose 48 (-6)

  256. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 2, 2012 12:23 pm

    Half of Barrier Reef has disappeared: report

    A sobering study released today shows more than half of Australia’s Great Barrier Reef has disappeared over the past 27 years…

    …But scientist John Gunn says the future of the ecosystem could be under threat if the loss of coral is not stopped.

    “Accumulative impacts of storms and crown-of-thorns and two bleaching events have had a quite devastating effect over the last three decades,” he said.

    “We’re very concerned that this is a bit of a crossroads for the reef and this data is very authoritative…

  257. el gordo permalink
    October 2, 2012 10:31 pm

    Bipolar seesaw. Are we there yet?

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/02/can-we-predict-the-duration-of-an-interglacial/#more-71806

  258. el gordo permalink
    October 2, 2012 10:36 pm

    Kitty the crown of thorns appears to be the main culprit, its formative years encouraged by nutrient rich water from agricultural runoff.

  259. Tom R permalink
    October 3, 2012 8:03 am

    The Carbon Price Octupussy ❓

    Power price cut for some in SA

    The Greens hailed the price cut, which MP Mark Parnell said was driven by the rise in renewable energy, including wind and solar.

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/power-price-cut-for-some-in-sa/story-e6frfku9-1226486526056#ixzz28BKTxmEj

  260. el gordo permalink
    October 4, 2012 6:28 pm

    The Romans were responsible for global warming…revisionism is good for a laugh.

    http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2012/10/what-have-the-romans-ever-done-for-us/comment-page-1/

  261. el gordo permalink
    October 6, 2012 7:42 am

    ‘ANTARCTIC sea ice has expanded to cover the largest area recorded since satellite mapping began more than three decades ago, in stark contrast to this year’s record melt on the northern pole.

    ‘The expansion continues a trend of increasing Antarctic sea ice cover of about 1 per cent a decade and is at odds with predictions of climate change models that continue to forecast a long-term decline.’

    Graham Lloyd in the Oz

  262. el gordo permalink
    October 6, 2012 1:36 pm

    ‘Britain risks running out of energy generating capacity in the winter of 2015-16, according to the energy regulator Ofgem.

    ‘Its report predicted that the amount of spare capacity could fall from 14% now to only 4% in three years.

    ‘Ofgem said this would leave Britain relying more on imported gas, which would make price rises more likely.

    ‘The government said that its forthcoming Energy Bill would ensure that there was secure supply.’

    Channelling Bishop Hill

    guffaw

  263. el gordo permalink
    October 7, 2012 1:02 pm

    David Archibald in a guest post at WUWT explains why the price of natural gas in the US is set to rise.

    ‘Most of potential US shale gas production is uneconomic at the current price. So why are shale gas wells still being drilled? A lot of acreage is “held by production” in which a well on the lease has to be brought into production in a certain period or otherwise it goes back to the mineral lease owner. The number of rigs drilling for gas is now down to one third of what it was at the peak four years ago.’

    The free market in action.

  264. el gordo permalink
    October 9, 2012 12:44 pm

    Winter is coming.

  265. el gordo permalink
    October 9, 2012 1:24 pm

    ‘Two weeks ago I described one of this year’s A-level General Studies papers which asked candidates to discuss various “source materials” on climate change. Drawn from propaganda documents wholly biased in favour of climate alarmism, these contained a plethora of scientific errors. I suggested that, if any clued-up students tore these “sources” apart as they deserved, they might have been given a “fail”.

    ‘Sure enough, an email from the mother of just such a student confirmed my fears. Her son is “an excellent scientist” who got “straight As” on his other science papers, but he is also “very knowledgeable about climate change and very sceptical about man-made global warming”.

    ‘His questioning of the sources earned an “E”, the lowest possible score. His mother then paid £60 for his paper to be re-marked. It was judged to be “articulate, well-structured” and clearly well-informed, but again he was marked down with “E” for fail.

    ‘This young man’s experience speaks volumes about the way the official global-warming religion has so corrupted our education system that it has parted company with proper scientific principles. In his efforts to reform our dysfunctional exam system, Michael Gove should ask for this bizarre episode to be investigated.’

    Christopher Booker in the UK Telegraph

  266. el gordo permalink
    October 12, 2012 7:41 am

    They have found an ‘expert’ who says the buildup of snow and ice in Antarctica (at 1% a decade) is due to human induced global warming.

    http://news.yahoo.com/experts-global-warming-means-more-antarctic-ice-194009890.html

  267. el gordo permalink
    October 12, 2012 11:23 am

    Ship’s exhausts useful in reducing global warming.

    Scientists are now searching for ways to make clouds brighter and more reflective.

  268. el gordo permalink
    October 12, 2012 11:31 am

    A golden age of coal in Europe.

    http://www.coalguru.com/other_region/coal_to_displace_gas_in_europe_through_2017_iea/4283

    Where does that leave our tax?

  269. el gordo permalink
    October 12, 2012 12:38 pm

    That should be ships exhausts….

    In my next lecture we’ll be discussing ‘breaking points’ in climate change…come prepared I’ll be talking off the top of my head.

  270. el gordo permalink
    October 13, 2012 11:46 am

    Climate change is not easy to predict, because of the variables involved, nevertheless ENSO is a prime mover and can be used to illustrate what to expect in the coming months.

    Disappointment for the watermelons …..no el nino this year.

    http://iri.columbia.edu/climate/ENSO/currentinfo/ENSO_Quick_Look.pdf

  271. el gordo permalink
    October 13, 2012 4:56 pm

    Likewise, ‘tipping points’ are not easy to predict, yet the authors of this paper say there is a ‘slowing down’ just before abrupt climate change.

    http://www.pnas.org/content/105/38/14308.short

  272. el gordo permalink
    October 14, 2012 7:26 pm

    ‘The world stopped getting warmer almost 16 years ago, according to new data released last week.

    ‘The figures, which have triggered debate among climate scientists, reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012, there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures.

    ‘This means that the ‘plateau’ or ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996. Before that, temperatures had been stable or declining for about 40 years.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz29GAxoPDC
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  273. el gordo permalink
    October 14, 2012 8:02 pm

    Roger Pielke Jr says the msm is behaving badly…extreme weather events because of AGW is a fiction. There is no scientific evidence to support the notion that the world is getting warmer or that weather is becoming more extreme.

    http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_21752735/climate-spin-is-rampant

  274. el gordo permalink
    October 16, 2012 9:00 am

    “…The current period of reduced warming is not unprecedented…”

    UK Met ….. guffaw

  275. el gordo permalink
    October 16, 2012 9:07 pm

    There are rumours that we can expect a super La Nina very soon.

    http://hidethedecline.eu/pages/posts/is-a-historic-super-la-nina-is-just-few-months-ahead-243.php

  276. TB Queensland permalink
    October 16, 2012 9:11 pm

    Extraodinary thread … JK Rowling, eat yer heart out!

  277. el gordo permalink
    October 16, 2012 9:56 pm

    The previous link is a fiction.

  278. el gordo permalink
    October 18, 2012 10:13 am

    It now appears that CO2 is not responsible for global warming and the sun doesn’t get a look in….apparently its all the fault of the AMO.

    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JAS-D-12-0208.1

  279. el gordo permalink
    October 23, 2012 6:31 pm

    The theory that CO2 causes global warming has been debunked…

    http://johnosullivan.wordpress.com/2012/10/22/industry-radiation-experts-call-it-greenhouse-gas-theory-debunked/

  280. el gordo permalink
    October 24, 2012 10:44 pm

    ENSO neutral is the general consensus.

  281. el gordo permalink
    October 26, 2012 5:25 pm

    ‘The radiative Greenhouse Effect is continually overridden as a result of the size of the constant interlinked changes in both the solar energy input to the oceans and the oceanic heat inputs to the atmosphere. It is wholly swamped by those far more powerful influences acting via a variable speed for the water cycle which acts via changes in the surface pressure distribution and a shifting to and fro of the climate zones.

    ‘The radiative Greenhouse Effect is a flea on the back of an oceanic elephant and the influence of CO2 but a microbe on the back of the flea and the influence of anthropogenic CO2 but a molecule on the back of the microbe.’

    Stephen Wilde

  282. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 29, 2012 2:41 pm

    Michael Mann sues Mark Seyn for libel. Steyn responds:

    On the one hand, Michael Mann’s own web page:

    He shared the Nobel Peace Prize with other IPCC authors in 2007.

    On the other, the Nobel committee:

    Only persons named explicitly in the citation may claim to share a Nobel Prize.

    So we’re being sued for loss of reputation by a fake Nobel laureate. Hilarious.

  283. el gordo permalink
    October 29, 2012 5:00 pm

    I’m looking forward to see one of the Klimatariat’s leading lights publicly humiliated.

  284. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 29, 2012 5:10 pm

    The discovery process should be interesting. I doubt Mann will submit himself to that.

  285. el gordo permalink
    October 29, 2012 6:20 pm

    The man’s in deep shite and cannae be polished.

  286. el gordo permalink
    October 31, 2012 5:40 pm

    Wind farm expansion in the UK is unnecessary, according to the new energy minister.

    ‘The relentless march of onshore wind farms is at an end, a minister declared last night.
    Insisting ‘enough is enough’, John Hayes said turbines had been ‘peppered around the country’ with little or no regard for local opinion.

    ‘He said existing sites and those in the pipeline would be enough to meet green commitments with no need for more.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225531/Minister-signals-end-wind-farm-We-pepper-turbines-country–declares-energy-minister.html#ixzz2Ar7vcfZv
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  287. scrambled egg permalink
    November 5, 2012 12:45 pm

    If carbon dioxide was real, we could see it

  288. el gordo permalink
    November 5, 2012 12:59 pm

    tru dat

  289. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2012 1:07 pm

    If carbon dioxide was real, we could see it

    Obviously, James Talk … so oxygen isn’t real?

    AND

    tru dat

    … talking to one’s self demonstrates emotional and psychological issues … “unfknblvble” …

  290. November 5, 2012 1:26 pm

    We don`t need a better world, this one`s just fine

  291. el gordo permalink
    November 5, 2012 2:08 pm

    ‘demonstrates emotional and psychological issues’

    Possibly true, its difficult to know, but on this issue you are definitely out of touch with reality.

  292. el gordo permalink
    November 5, 2012 2:37 pm

    Still no weakening of the Walker Circulation, its another travesty.

    http://landshape.org/enm/still-no-weakening-of-the-walker-circulation/

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2012 2:59 pm

    We don`t need a better world, this one`s just fine scrambled egg …

    …..mmmmmmm

    … and on the Weekend Fred ……

    we didn’t need a $70bn stimulus, the yanks are just fine Teapot of Boltsville ….

    …..mmmmmmmmm

    I, for one, don’t believe in coincidence …. someones scrambling the teapot, methinks ….

    … wouldn’t mind if it wasn’t just meaningless rhetoric ….

  294. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 5, 2012 3:27 pm

    If carbon dioxide was real, we could see it

    if god[s] were real, we could see them.

    If global warming was real we could see it…oh wait, the scientists can, they can quantify it and measure it…shit, what is this thing called research!

  295. November 5, 2012 7:10 pm

    he was fed at the kaf, el gordo`s not hungry

  296. el gordo permalink
    November 5, 2012 7:31 pm

    I think we have a troll attack from the kaf….much amusement and harmless.

  297. November 6, 2012 2:35 pm

    carbon dioxide is a communist plot

  298. scrambled egg permalink
    November 9, 2012 10:19 pm

    I ate chilli for dinner …. HOT

  299. scrambled egg permalink
    November 10, 2012 10:26 pm

    global warming hoax, created by carbon dioxide mafia

  300. scrambled egg permalink
    November 10, 2012 10:45 pm

    the plateau of man made global cooling has now lasted since the hyper evaporation of ozone across the tropical zones

  301. scrambled egg permalink
    November 11, 2012 6:58 pm

    weakening of the Walker Circulation, another travesty
    http://uknowispeaksense.wordpress.com/2012/11/10/denier-comment-of-the-day-november-10-2012/oil-and-centrifugal-force/

  302. el gordo permalink
    November 14, 2012 6:08 pm

    ‘So now the BBC has yet another big problem on it’s hands. It turns out it has lied to the public who pay for it about the makeup of the group which has determined it’s climate reporting policy. This is no small matter considering the billions of pounds involved in the Green energy industry.

    ‘Additional carbon taxation has directly led to fuel poverty for hundreds of thousands. The excess cold related deaths in the UK have shot up in the last few years. We hear stories of pensioners buying secondhand books by the yard and burning them to keep warm.’

    Rog Tallbloke

  303. el gordo permalink
    November 19, 2012 8:50 pm

    Connect4climate helped put the report together and they apparently also work for the World Bank. A conflict of interest, perhaps.

    http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/connect4climate.org

  304. el gordo permalink
    November 25, 2012 11:06 am

    ‘Nate Silver has begun turning his attention to climate science and global climate change. If he thinks it got hot in the kitchen during a presidential campaign between two men who agreed much more than they disagreed, wait until he enters the wilds of an environmental conflict that is more in the nature of a religious civil war and starts presenting us with likely outcomes.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/it-will-count-when-numbers-man-takes-on-climate-change-20121123-29zg5.html#ixzz2DBic4Nve

  305. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    November 26, 2012 12:53 am

    I think this pretty much says it all….

    “More population leads to more deforestation,”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/world/americas/swallowing-rain-forest-brazilian-cities-surge-in-amazon.html?pagewanted=1&hp

    Of interest…So

    http://www.unfpa.org/pds/climate/docs/climate_change_unfpa.pdf

    So…Perhaps those advocating for “no borders” in terms of migration, illegal immigration and population dynamics, those interested in “Climate Change” in general will wake up to the fact that a lot of their policies and positions are actually counterproductive/hypocritical to many of their stated goals or causes…

    COME ONE COME ALL ANY WAY YOU CAN…We have the power grid, water and a rate of consumption to die for…But wait, once you get here (Australia, US, EU) you can own a car (driven on imported resources), give birth to many more consumers, eat and drink more etc, it is your right! Hey, look at the bright side, least you can contribute to the safety net ponzi that all retirees depend on…We (modern politicians) don’t really care about the long term consequences of such policies, we will be gone…Just don’t mess with our entitlements…We leave you all to work out the rest…

    Advocate more people in the name of “rights” (refugee, uncontrolled immigration) you indirectly advocate more consumption and environmental degradation…Hmm…Anybody getting this?

  306. el gordo permalink
    November 29, 2012 10:01 pm

    I hear your angst, but can’t offer any advice.

    Fortunately we are a large desert island in the southern ocean and most of our illegals fly in.

    Abbott says he will create a million jobs over five years, which in simple terms means skilled migrant intake from the old civilisations.

    ——————-

    CO2 does not cause global warming and there are no tipping points in sight.

  307. el gordo permalink
    December 2, 2012 11:31 am

  308. el gordo permalink
    December 2, 2012 2:55 pm

    Record breaking snow predicted for Mt Shastra.

    http://www.weather.com/news/weather-winter/mount-shasta-snow-extreme-20121129

  309. el gordo permalink
    December 2, 2012 3:11 pm

    The Climate Gabfest

    ‘IPeCaC’s official prediction in its First Assessment Report in 1990 was that the world would warm at a rate equivalent to 0.3 Cº/decade, or more than 0.6 Cº by now.

    ‘But the real-world, measured outturn was 0.14 Cº/decade, and just 0.3 Cº in the quarter of a century since 1990: less than half of what the “consensus” had over-predicted.

    In 2008, the world’s “consensus” climate modelers wrote a paper saying ten years without global warming was to be expected (though their billion-dollar brains had somehow failed to predict it). They added that 15 years or more without global warming would establish a discrepancy between real-world observation and their X-boxes’ predictions. You will find their paper in NOAA’s State of the Climate Report for 2008.

    ‘By the modelers’ own criterion, then, HAL has failed its most basic test – trying to predict how much global warming will happen.

    ‘Yet Ms. Christina Figurehead, chief executive of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, says “centralization” of global governing power (in her hands, natch) is the solution. Solution to what?

    ‘And what solution? Even if the world were to warm by 2.2 Cº this century (for IPeCaC will implicitly cut its central estimate from 2.8 Cº in the previous Assessment Report six years ago), it would be at least ten times cheaper and more cost-effective to adapt to warming’s consequences the day after tomorrow than to try to prevent it today.

    ‘It is the do-nothing option that is scientifically sound and economically right. And nothing is precisely what 17 previous annual climate yatteramas have done. Zilch. Nada. Zip. Bupkis.’

    Christopher Monckton

  310. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2012 10:16 am


    New Scientist debunks the skeptic myths (via Desmogblog)

    Hi, New Scientist? Yes, I would like to order 300 million copies of your Climate Change: Guide for the perplexed. Yes, and please send about 200 copies to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20500. New Scientist’s upcoming issue will include what is by far the most comprehensive debunking…


     

  311. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2012 10:21 am

    New Scientist debunks the skeptic myths

    …Hi, New Scientist? Yes, I would like to order 300 million copies of your Climate Change: Guide for the perplexed. Yes, and please send about 200 copies to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20500.
    New Scientist’s upcoming issue will include what is by far the most comprehensive debunking of the global warming myths, continuously used by the small handful of so-called “experts” who say either: a) global warming isn’t happening; (b) humans are not too blame, and anything in between.

    Ever wondered about “medieval warming?” “The Little Ice Age?” “Cosmic Rays?” And of the other denier messages? Check out the New Scientist here, save them to the hard drive and get the message out.

    Here’s links to each thorough debunking:

    Human CO2 emissions are too tiny to matter

    We can’t do anything about climate change

    The ‘hockey stick’ graph has been proven wrong

    Chaotic systems are not predictable

    We can’t trust computer models of climate

    They predicted global cooling in the 1970s

    It’s been far warmer in the past, what’s the big deal?

    It’s too cold where I live – warming will be great

    Global warming is down to the Sun, not humans

    It’s all down to cosmic rays

    CO2 isn’t the most important greenhouse gas

    The lower atmosphere is cooling, not warming

    Antarctica is getting cooler, not warmer, disproving global warming

    The oceans are cooling

    The cooling after 1940 shows CO2 does not cause warming

    It was warmer during the Medieval period, with vineyards in England

    We are simply recovering from the Little Ice Age

    Warming will cause an ice age in Europe

    Ice cores show CO2 increases lag behind temperature rises, disproving the link to global warming

    Ice cores show CO2 rising as temperatures fell

    Mars and Pluto are warming too

    Many leading scientists question climate change

    It’s all a conspiracy

    Hurricane Katrina was caused by global warming

    Higher CO2 levels will boost plant growth and food production

    Polar bear numbers are increasing

    Desmogblog (http://s.tt/199KP)

  312. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2012 10:38 am

    So…Perhaps those advocating for “no borders” in terms of migration, illegal immigration and population dynamics, those interested in “Climate Change” in general will wake up to the fact that a lot of their policies and positions are actually counterproductive/hypocritical to many of their stated goals or causes…

    Exactly sparta, population control seems to be the ‘great unspoken’ about climate change, no-one wants to say the obvious, that people should be having less children. Birth control should be encouraged in third world countries where women have little choice regarding their fertility options. The western, first world nations are already having smaller families due to ‘wage/career wealth aspirations’ but they are heavily invested in over production and consumerism – wanting bigger, better and newer, bright and shiny things.

    It’s not attractive to many, the religious, the pro market/capitalist economy ideologues and their need to feed ‘perpetual growth’ for perpetual profits. Government, being the lackey of big business and religious groups won’t say anything about the obvious.

    Living small should be the message now, smaller houses, smaller consumption, smaller families, smaller environmental footprint.

  313. el gordo permalink
    December 5, 2012 10:51 am

    Small is beautiful.

  314. el gordo permalink
    December 5, 2012 12:56 pm

    The Holocene may have reached its ‘used by date’ so I imagine terraforming Mars is a worthwhile option.

    The theory goes that a large mirror in space will melt the frozen CO2 at the poles and the released gas will create global warming.

    haha

  315. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 6, 2012 10:58 am

    It seems even the Young are waking up to the CO2 bullshit

    AAP Reports

    Money stress outranks climate for youth
    05/12/2012 07:27AM AEST

    Money is the number one concern among young Australians, overtaking the environment, according to a new report.

    A Mission Australia survey of more than 15,000 people aged 15 to 19 found almost one third (30.8 per cent) nominated the economy and financial matters as the most important issue in Australia today.

    Population issues (27.6 per cent) and alcohol and drugs (21.8 per cent) were the next most pressing issues, according to the young people who responded to the questionnaire.

    The environment plunged from the most important issue in 2011 to the sixth most important issue behind equity and discrimination (20.2 per cent) and politics and societal values (20.6 per cent).

    In 2011 almost four out of 10 young Aussies (37.4 per cent) said the environment was the most important issue in Australia.

    In 2012, only 17.5 per cent still ranked it as the top concern.

    Mission Australia’s Victorian State Director, Dr Emma Cassar, said young people’s heightened anxiety around financial matters was a serious concern.

    “There’s no question that young people are increasingly anxious about the economy and its impact on them and their families,” Dr Cassar said.

  316. el gordo permalink
    December 6, 2012 11:24 am

    Noice to see the young darlings finally get real.

  317. el gordo permalink
    December 9, 2012 7:49 am

    Down at the kaf they say I’m obsessed and should seek help, so here I am.

    http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/coldest-autumn-in-uk-since-1993/

  318. el gordo permalink
    December 9, 2012 6:04 pm

    There has been a slight increase in northern hemisphere winter snow. This is not an indication that global cooling is imminent.

  319. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 9, 2012 8:06 pm

    This is the reason that I have always favoured a straight out tax on polluters rather than a ‘market solution’ of an emissions trading scheme.

    reveals US bribes help stop climate action

    It is beyond doubt now that any progress at the multilateral level will require two things: first, a further crash of the emissions trading experiment, so as to finally end the fiction that a market run by international bankers can solve a problem of planet-threatening pollution caused by unregulated markets; and second, a banning of delegations from Washington — the US government and Bretton Woods Institutions — since that’s the city most influenced by climate denialists.

    Hence every move from the US State Department amounts to sabotage…

    …Even public consciousness has shifted quickly, as a result of extreme weather in the most backward regions of the world, like the north-eastern US. I feel that if more people know these stories, they would lose their despondency and take action against both their local polluters and crony-corporate governments…

  320. Tea Egg of Global Cooling permalink
    December 11, 2012 11:15 pm

    what has the el gordo effect had
    http://cafewhispers.wordpress.com/2012/12/09/the-el-gordo-effect/

  321. el gordo permalink
    December 12, 2012 6:17 pm

    The kaf boasts that its a satirical blog, so I says to the editor why not do a post on the weather. Headlining… El Gordo’s Dirty Weather or What’s up with the weather.

    My amusing suggestions were rejected.

    Anyhoo….

    http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/datapages/naoi.htm

  322. Tea Egg of Global Cooling permalink
    December 12, 2012 7:01 pm

    Seems to have back-fired el’gordo. You’re copping quite a pasting.

  323. el gordo permalink
    December 12, 2012 7:52 pm

    Doesn’t concern me and I’m learning a lot about human nature.

  324. Tea Egg of Global Cooling permalink
    December 12, 2012 8:16 pm

    human nature?
    I thought your specialties were tea flavoring and global cooling!

  325. el gordo permalink
    December 12, 2012 9:57 pm

    ‘human nature?’

    The human condition, group think and the like.

    Dilmah strong is my favourite tea and looking for global cooling tipping points is a past time.

  326. Even Tide permalink
    December 12, 2012 10:55 pm

    learning a lot about human nature.

    The evidence is el gordo that you haven’t the intellectual skills to deal with general, abstract ‘concepts’ let alone (or as scaper would say little lone) with very complicated concepts such as ‘human nature’ which ranks as probably the most difficult concept in the social sciences. But never mind. The strength of democracies is all about the ALL having the right to express and opinion and also the right to vote.

    As for ‘science’ the tests for credibility are more stringent, and as far as I can see, you aren’t even in the ball park.

    Sorry for the brutallity. And yes I know it won’t make any difference.

    Perhaps you might go to Queensland where ‘nutters’ reign supreme. Lots of ‘safe seats’ up for grabs.

  327. el gordo permalink
    December 13, 2012 7:09 am

    Humanity is not complicated, just glorified apes.

    Did you know that in evolutionary terms homo sapiens were once sea dogs?

  328. el gordo permalink
    December 13, 2012 7:56 pm

    Creating artificial warming.

    http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/massive-data-manipulation-at-nasa-warms.html

  329. el gordo permalink
    December 13, 2012 8:21 pm

    The models are badly flawed, its a monstrous joke.

  330. el gordo permalink
    December 14, 2012 6:50 pm

    ‘A new phase of drilling for shale gas, which the Government hopes will revolutionise Britain’s energy supply, was given the go-ahead yesterday.

    ‘The controversial technique of extracting the gas from subterranean rock – known as fracking – was suspended last year after it was believed to have caused two small earthquakes in Lancashire.

    ‘Energy Secretary Ed Davey said new conditions had now been imposed to minimise the risk of seismic activity.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2247421/Ban-fracking-lifted-Government-Controversial-technique-mining-shale-gas-given-ahead-ministers-calm-fears-pollution.html#ixzz2F0i0WQy7
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  331. el gordo permalink
    December 16, 2012 8:35 pm

    ‘Climate-change skeptics might be regarded as modern-day witches because they think that global warming comes from natural forces. However, it’s superstitious alarmists, who believe that extreme weather originates in our CO2 emissions and who have a dread of impending disaster, who are really the witches.’

    Ralph B. Alexander is a physicist and the author of “Global Warming False Alarm.”

  332. el gordo permalink
    December 17, 2012 6:34 pm

    Canada pulls out of Kyoto and this has the potential for a domino effect.

    http://www.vancouversun.com/business/official+Harper+government+withdraws+from+Kyoto+climate/7701593/story.html

  333. el gordo permalink
    December 21, 2012 3:08 pm

    This is global warming writ large.

    http://rt.com/news/russia-freeze-cold-temperature-379/

    Russia freezes while UK punters lose their cash on a snowy Xmas …its not going to happen.

  334. el gordo permalink
    December 21, 2012 6:23 pm

    No lecture today, here’s a vid which you should watch.

    http://www.smh.com.au/tv/documentary/2012–an-awakening-4221412.html

  335. December 23, 2012 11:29 pm

    “Losing their religion as evidence cools off”

    No wonder this piece caused so much controversy….Pretty much nailed it…

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/losing-their-religion-as-evidence-cools-off/story-e6frgd0x-1226510184533

    “It was a compelling message. Convert and enjoy everlasting life in the hereafter. The advantage the missionaries had was that the religion they taught had no hypotheses that could be tested. Death – “the undiscovered country from whose bourn no traveller returns” – meant that the afterlife could be neither proved nor disproved. Faith was the only thing needed.

    Climate science is a bit like that – push the rewards and the catastrophes far enough into the future, and have faith that the prophecies will come true. However, unlike heaven, which we may reach at any time, climate prophecies need to be distant enough to make them hard to challenge yet sufficiently close to generate urgent action.”

  336. el gordo permalink
    January 5, 2013 6:56 pm

    Might follow this up…both can’t be right. Perhaps both are correct because they are different constituents, joolya sheltered the rank and file and ignored small business in framing her CO2 tax.

    ‘Internal Coalition polling shows it is still very much alive as a cost-of-living issue for voters (according to a source within the Opposition Leader’s office) but newspaper polling and anecdotal reports from Labor MPs spoken to for this article indicate voters’ concerns on the issue have relaxed.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/the-10-issues-that-will-decide-the-election-20130104-2c93p.html#ixzz2H5LrexGh

  337. el gordo permalink
    January 6, 2013 4:18 pm

    This is an easy read, take five minutes….

    http://a-sceptical-mind.com/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-hockey-stick

  338. January 8, 2013 10:23 am

    Perhaps today would be a good day for the climate change septics to prosecute their case?

  339. el gordo permalink
    January 8, 2013 10:28 am

    Hmmm….

    The sceptics have been saying for some time that nothing unusual is happening, which does appear to be the case.

  340. January 8, 2013 10:31 am

    “nothing unusual”

    Is that like “nothing to see here move along….”

    The James Ashby response?

  341. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 8, 2013 11:02 am

    “Perhaps today would be a good day for the climate change septics to prosecute their case?”

    Only a few deny the climate is changing. It always has and always will.

    If you are implying its all man made then I might well ask whatever happened to the ancient ice bridge that existed between England and Scandinavia. Why did that melt ?

    Or what of the land bridge between Australia and New Guinea? Why was that inundated ?

    Except for a few camp fires how did man manage such climate change with so little environmental impact.

  342. January 8, 2013 11:09 am

    “If you are implying…..”

    Enter Walrus/Jaws/2DT Fantasyland.

  343. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 8, 2013 11:22 am

    King Rat ?

  344. January 8, 2013 11:34 am

    oh yes, sorry I forgot about KR….. 🙂

  345. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 8, 2013 12:09 pm

    I bet the f**king Scandinavians are glad there’s no bridge between them and the UK.

    …and personally I’m happy that there is no land bridge between here and PNG, or Tasmania for that matter. The notion of the Tasmanians just wandering over a bridge to get to Melbourne is disturbing.

  346. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 8, 2013 12:13 pm

    If sea levels rise is there any chance of inundation of WA? Or at least flooding the desert and making that place of barren land and minds into an island?

  347. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2013 1:15 pm

    The notion of the Tasmanians just wandering over a bridge to get to Melbourne is disturbing

    They obviously don’t need one, didn’t the webmasta(s) recently emigrate …?

  348. el gordo permalink
    January 8, 2013 1:20 pm

    Nothing unusual is happening with our earthly climate, its hubris to suggest humans are somehow responsible for the global warming at the end of last century.

  349. Meta permalink
    January 8, 2013 2:09 pm

    Plan B++, apparently…

    Suncorp said that while much of the country braces for extreme fire weather, policymakers shouldn’t let slide integrated planning to limit disaster risks.

    “If fires occur, policymakers shouldn’t forget about floods, and if floods occur they shouldn’t forget about fires and other natural disasters,” Mr Newlan said.

  350. el gordo permalink
    January 8, 2013 2:26 pm

    Greetings comrade Meta and Mr Newlan is correct, let’s not forget the natural cycles.

    Adaptation is the key to the future.

  351. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2013 3:21 pm

    G’day Meta!

    And don’t forget about floods on hills according to many insurance companies (including Suncorp)! We’re with APIA, live on a hill and have compulsory flood coverage … as do most I believe …

  352. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2013 3:23 pm

    Nothing unusual is happening with our earthly climate, its hubris to suggest humans are somehow responsible for the global warming at the end of last century.

    hahaha that’s the laugh of the day!
    Who cares when the deniers won’t be around to have to worry about it or take any responsibility eh? As long as nothing changes for them right now, progress, knowledge and change, just too scary to think about!

    Adaptation is the key to the future.

    Yes, let’s adapt to extreme events and disasters, anyone would think that human adaptation happens overnight! hahahaha.

  353. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2013 4:11 pm

    Australia has made it into Pharyngula:

    http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/01/07/the-australian-heat-wave/

    …Australia is experiencing a heat spell. The Climate Information Services of the Australian Bureau of Meteorology has issued a special statement (I’ll provide some details below). This is not unexpected, since over the last few years global warming due to the human release of large amounts of fossil Carbon into the atmosphere has been heating everything up. In fact, a paper that came out mid (southern) winter 2008 predicted that by the end of the century, extreme high temperatures in Australia would reach 50 degrees or more.

    …So, when you reach 50C … well, there are recipes that are called “cooking” that use temperatures in that range…

  354. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 8, 2013 4:21 pm

    “…..Yes, let’s adapt to extreme events and disasters, anyone would think that human adaptation happens overnight! hahahaha……”

    Extreme events and disasters are hardly new.

    And there once was a man called Noah who managed to adapt pretty quickly.

    Queenslanders whinged when they got rained upon for a few days causing a flood 2 years ago.

    Noah, the poor sod, had to put up with it for 40 days and nights.

  355. el gordo permalink
    January 8, 2013 4:57 pm

    ‘…hahaha that’s the laugh of the day!’

    The laughs on you, global warming is plateauing and shows no signs of recovery.

  356. el gordo permalink
    January 8, 2013 5:07 pm

    ‘Who cares when the deniers won’t be around to have to worry about it or take any responsibility eh?’

    That’s crazy, the Denialati believe global cooling is a serious threat and will cause economic disruption.

    In this election year we want to see the Climate Commissioner sacked and publicly humiliated. Encouraging ignorant pollies to build desal plants costs taxpayers plenty and four have already been mothballed.

  357. el gordo permalink
    January 8, 2013 5:47 pm

    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1997/plot/rss/from:1997/trend

    Temperatures have plateaued and may pick up again, but I don’t believe CO2 caused the warming of late last century.

  358. el gordo permalink
    January 8, 2013 5:54 pm

    Climate change (the natural variety) has a rhythm to it.

  359. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2013 6:25 pm

    That’s crazy, the Denialati believe global cooling is a serious threat and will cause economic disruption.

    hahaha

    yeah? they believe do they? what a shame belief isn’t fact, bit like believing in all those one and only true gods without a shred of evidence for any. It’s real if you believe it, say mummy & daddy as they comfort their frightened little children 🙂

    I might believe I’m the christian god, but whenever I tell people that i’m more likely to be committed to a mental health facility than have the world bow to my commands.

    The denialati see economic destruction anywhere that doesn’t profit them and in anything that isn’t the status quo.

  360. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2013 7:36 pm

    You have never understood the basic weather vs climate, short vs long term thing have you eg?

    http://skepticalscience.com/global-cooling-january-2007-to-january-2008-intermediate.htm

    Did global warming stop in 1998, 1995, 2002, 2007, 2010?

  361. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2013 7:38 pm

    In fact, a paper that came out mid (southern) winter 2008 predicted that by the end of the century, extreme high temperatures in Australia would reach 50 degrees or more.

    I’ll restate my agnostic position now …

    … but this is the beginning of the century not the end … and I do recall people posting that you can’t predict the future of climate change because of a blip in the weather …

    … seriously, you really can’t have an each way bet …

    What bothers me is that the same people who can predict the climate when my grandchildren are my age – can’t predict the weather next month …

  362. el gordo permalink
    January 8, 2013 7:53 pm

    The Modern Climate Optimum reached its summit in 1998.

    The difference between weather and climate is approximately 30 years, but there has been talk of reducing this to a decadal trend.

  363. el gordo permalink
    January 8, 2013 7:58 pm

    ‘can’t predict the weather next month …’

    And they’re poor at seasonal prediction too.

    ‘you can’t predict the future of climate change because of a blip in the weather … ‘

    That’s true, we search for trends of a decade or more. Did you know Alaska has dramatically cooled over the past decade?

  364. el gordo permalink
    January 8, 2013 8:50 pm

    ‘The denialati see economic destruction anywhere that doesn’t profit them and in anything that isn’t the status quo.’

    Actually no, you must be confusing us with some other group. We are primarily interested in climate and weather.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/02/climate_deniers_are_giving_us_skeptics_a_bad_name.html

  365. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    January 8, 2013 10:26 pm

    Last time I looked the common saying around here was “Winter is Coming”.

    The problem now is the same people are shitting themselves because “Summer is Here”

    The usual irrational Lefties abound and pants wet and worse at every new dawn.

  366. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2013 11:10 pm

    You really are a Wally, Wally … keep it up and we’ll have to rename you JKR …

    Guess who … and sreb will have a C&W Greatest Hits CD for you – still in its cellophane wrapper … 😉

  367. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2013 11:22 pm

    That’s true, we search for trends of a decade or more.

    Don’t be misled TB.

    Oh, the bare-faced lies and distortions of the deniers! You now try to shift the goal posts, and reduce the time frame of debate toward something that might look more favourable upon a denier argument where weather = climate!

    Try decades – plural, at least 30 years to millions of years. Who is we? Are you a climate scientist, or just reminding us of how the denial industry goes about it’s muddying of the waters?

    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n/climate/climate_weather.html

  368. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2013 11:24 pm

    Actually no, you must be confusing us with some other group. We are primarily interested in climate and weather.

    Unfortunately you can’t tell the difference.

  369. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2013 11:30 pm

    I’ll restate my agnostic position now …
    … but this is the beginning of the century not the end … and I do recall people posting that you can’t predict the future of climate change because of a blip in the weather …

    Tell me if I read you wrong there TB

    The paper came out in 2008, the research spanned 100 yrs [I think]

    http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/files/2013/01/sterl_extreme_grl_2008.pdf

  370. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2013 11:39 pm

    The problem now is the same people are shitting themselves because “Summer is Here”
    The usual irrational Lefties abound and pants wet and worse at every new dawn.

    More and more extreme weather events, catastrophes and disasters, just as the scientists predicted all those years ago.

    The same people shit themselves because they might be asked to pay a few bucks toward fixing the problem so that generations to come might enjoy a good life too without paying hugely because of the neglectful non-action of this current one. The only generation to leave the next worse-off, well done greedsters!

  371. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2013 11:44 pm

    oops, sorry TB, if you look carefully you’ll find a rogue apostrophe in one of my posts – i’m not saying where 🙂
    [If I’m lucky, N5 won’t see]

  372. el gordo permalink
    January 9, 2013 6:47 am

    I’m fishing for the hearts and minds of agnostics.

  373. el gordo permalink
    January 9, 2013 6:58 am

    ‘Who is we?’

    Kitty if you read the American Thinker article it will clarify the situation as to my true identity.

    ‘Try decades – plural, at least 30 years to millions of years.’

    Thirty years is climate (officially) but a decade trend in Alaska is important. When it was rapidly warming up in the last decade of the 20th century the klimatariat said it was a clear indication the tipping point had been reached. Now that its been cooling for a decade its only weather, apparently.

  374. el gordo permalink
    January 9, 2013 7:06 am

    The Sterl et al paper is crap, they only mention warmer temps. What about the extreme cold weather events?

  375. el gordo permalink
    January 9, 2013 7:12 am

    The northern hemisphere received more snow in December than any time in recorded history.

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/northern-hemisphere-snow-extent-was-greatest-on-record-in-december/

    TB the watermelons have it wrong… spread the word.

  376. el gordo permalink
    January 9, 2013 7:17 am

    ‘More and more extreme weather events, catastrophes and disasters, just as the scientists predicted all those years ago.’

    Hurricane Sandy was natural and unrelated to AGW and for those wondering what happened to the Arctic ice last summer…. a Great Arctic Cyclone blew the ice away but it refroze at record breaking speed once Autumn set in.

  377. el gordo permalink
    January 9, 2013 7:28 am

    There is plenty on this cyclone, some Australian researchers are mentioned in this report.

    http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/12/great-arctic-cyclone-of-2012-really-was-impressive/

    The point is TB that nothing unusual is happening with weather or climate and human induced global warming is an invalid concoction invented by the Klimatariat and dispersed by the warminista.

  378. Tom R permalink
    January 9, 2013 7:33 am

    The point is TB that nothing unusual is happening with weather or climate

    Then why this 😯

    Australian Bureau of Meteorology adds two entirely new colours – deep purple and pink – to show the new extreme range on its interactive weather maps

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/purple-alert-australian-heatwave-forces-climate-experts-to-use-new-colour-to-represent-extreme-temperatures-8443297.html

    You really are a special class of stoopid grodo

  379. el gordo permalink
    January 9, 2013 7:44 am

    Its over Lake Eyre, Tommo.

  380. Tom R permalink
    January 9, 2013 7:48 am

    You really just keep on showing off you special class, don’t you

  381. el gordo permalink
    January 9, 2013 9:37 am

    Concern Troll First Class?

  382. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 9, 2013 11:15 am

    Seems like TomR might need to put his coloured pencils away. And since it was only a forecast were they needed in the first place.

    Besides 50C + is not uncommon in the very heart of an Australian desert. TomR likes to make out its a new phenomenon.

    TomR’s a pantzwetter !

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/now-you-see-it-now-you-dont-weather-bureau-backtracks-from-50plus-forecast-20130109-2cfm5.html

  383. el gordo permalink
    January 9, 2013 12:05 pm

    TomR ridiculed me at the cafe the other day for suggesting the ‘Weather Wars’ had begun in the MSM.

    The warminista will lose this debate too, because climate change is moving in the opposite direction to what has been predicted by models.

  384. TB Queensland permalink
    January 9, 2013 12:26 pm

    The warminista will lose this debate too, because climate change is moving in the opposite direction to what has been predicted by models.

    And you know this because? You really should read some of your posts, egg …

    I’m still on the fence but you could make me fall off — laughing … 😆

  385. el gordo permalink
    January 9, 2013 12:30 pm

    Real world temperatures have remained flat for a decade, the models are flawed.

    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1997/plot/rss/from:1997/trend

  386. Tom R permalink
    January 9, 2013 1:53 pm

    TomR likes to make out its a new phenomenon.

    Actually, if you read really closely (a challenge for some, I’ll admit), it is the Australian Bureau of Meteorology who are adding in the new category.

    Which is really funny, cos they did it the day before some clown claimed “that nothing unusual is happening with weather”

    Priceless 😆

  387. Meta permalink
    January 9, 2013 2:08 pm

    (G’day, TB, btw.)

  388. Tom R permalink
    January 9, 2013 3:11 pm

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  389. Fwits R Us permalink
    January 9, 2013 3:16 pm

    Deniers’ games
    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1901/plot/rss/from:1901/trend

    The difference between weather and climate is approximately 30 years

    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1983/plot/rss/from:1983/trend

  390. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 9, 2013 3:38 pm

    Excellent strategy by Milne and Rhiannon. It should certainly guarantee wholesale alienation of a great portion of their potential voters who actually still respect the Law

    “…….On Tuesday, Senator Milne described Mr Moylan’s hoax as being ”part of a long and proud history of civil disobedience, potentially breaking the law, to highlight something wrong”.

    Her comments followed a tweet by her colleague Senator Rhiannon, who wrote: ”Congrats to Jonathan Moylan, Frontline Action on Coal, for exposing ANZ investment in coalmines.”……..”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abetz-slams-greens-for-backing-hoax-20130108-2cerk.html#ixzz2HRu7NPIO

    Where’s that lying grub of a prime minister of ours to condemn the Milne / Rhiannon statements ?

    Of course she’s nowhere to be seen.

    Gillard is a disgrace and is easily the biggest lying grub to ever occupy the Lodge.

  391. Tom R permalink
    January 9, 2013 3:59 pm

  392. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 9, 2013 4:20 pm

    Wow

    TomR quotes an exstaffer/”economic advisor” to Rudd

    I’m sold…………………LOL

  393. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 9, 2013 4:27 pm

    This is what I supported when I was a youthful protester, actions that I participated in-

    • Shouting at the Prime Minister
    • Tomato and egg throwing at the Prime Minister
    • Speaking of the Prime Minister is the most derogatory of terms
    • Sitting down in the street
    • Carrying signs (with correct spelling)
    • Yelling at the police
    • Being arrested by the police
    • Getting in the way of citizens who were going about their own business
    • Having long hair

    Among the activities that I would not have endorsed-

    • Threatening the livelihood of people
    • Taking action to reduce the savings of people
    • Trying to ruin a business
    • Making false and misleading statements to the public

    This is where the Greens have a problem with decent people. Decent people don’t object to civil disobedience, they object to dishonesty.

  394. Tom R permalink
    January 9, 2013 5:39 pm

    TomR quotes an exstaffer/”economic advisor” to Rudd</i?

    Which one are you referring to, Emerson, MegaGeorge??

  395. Tom R permalink
    January 9, 2013 5:43 pm

    Of course, if it was the Emo tweet, on closer reading (what is it with reading around here?) he is in turn simply quoting from the Bureau of Meteorology

    But I guess they don’t sell ya either 😉

  396. el gordo permalink
    January 9, 2013 7:01 pm

    BoM needs to be purged of alarmists.

  397. Tom R permalink
    January 9, 2013 7:24 pm

    BoM needs to be purged of alarmists.

    You mean all of that biased equipment that is measuring all of these unusual temperatures? 😯

  398. TB Queensland permalink
    January 9, 2013 7:51 pm

    Where’s that lying grub of a prime minister of ours to condemn the Milne / Rhiannon statements ?

    You have a really good grasp of insulting language the English language, Wally …

    … I do hope you keep it up … if you ever do say anything that makes any sense, no-one will see it … 😉

  399. el gordo permalink
    January 9, 2013 7:56 pm

    ‘You mean all of that biased equipment ‘

    No, the biased viewpoint of the klimatariat is highly alarming. Or is it all the media’s fault?

  400. Tom R permalink
    January 9, 2013 8:34 pm

    the biased viewpoint of the klimatariat is highly alarming

    Actually, the extreme temperatures are what are alarming, as well as ‘unusual’ 😉

  401. el gordo permalink
    January 9, 2013 9:10 pm

    Much amusement.

  402. el gordo permalink
    January 9, 2013 9:40 pm

    I’m shocked, but not surprised…..wanker!

    http://dailycurrant.com/2013/01/08/john-howard-apologizes-global-warming-denial/

  403. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 9, 2013 10:42 pm

    That’s true, we search for trends of a decade or more.

    Do you admit telling a deliberate untruth?

    John Howard Apologizes For Global Warming Denial

    http://dailycurrant.com/2013/01/08/john-howard-apologizes-global-warming-denial/

    hehe, let’s see australia’s media put that up on the front page [won’t hold breath], JWH apologises!!!, straight out, not even a weasel “sincerely regret” through his grisly, spittled lips.
    Oh and BTW, the reason for the apology – must have decided shelving and binning megaloads of reports, research, predictions and conclusions of global warming scientists was not very responsible of him, but easily done when you are busy being feted, wined, dined and greased up to the hilt by miners & industry.

    Guess it was meant for his NZ audience only, no worries john, newsltd will keep your [and abbott’s] secrets.

  404. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 9, 2013 10:47 pm

    G’day meta, nice to see you!

  405. el gordo permalink
    January 10, 2013 8:11 am

    ‘Do you admit telling a deliberate untruth?’

    Is that question aimed at me?

    Over in the UK the drought they had a couple of years ago was caused by AGW and now the floods are also caused by global warming.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/09/uk-rainfall-2012-the-report-the-met-office-should-have-produced/

  406. el gordo permalink
    January 10, 2013 1:48 pm

    General rounds…

    Climate scientists might be open to the charge of ignoring the potential impact of natural variability during the warming at the end of last century.

    Brian Hoskins of Imperial College London says natural cycles played a big role in the fast warming of the 1990s.

    A case to answer?

  407. The Full Story permalink
    January 10, 2013 3:14 pm

    What’s the outlook?
    Scary. If oceanic cycles do what the Met Office and others expect, then global average air temperatures will stay fairly stable – though still hotter than they have been in the past – until later this decade. The cycles will then flip into a new phase and the oceans will probably start releasing heat instead of soaking it up. Combined with continued accumulation of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, that could mean that sometime round 2020, warming will start to race away again as the atmosphere makes up for lost time.

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23060-has-global-warming-ground-to-a-halt.html

  408. el gordo permalink
    January 16, 2013 6:41 pm

    ‘The cycles will then flip into a new phase and the oceans will probably start releasing heat instead of soaking it up.’

    guffaw

    ‘Posting a message on Facebook, police from the Neighbourhood Police Team in the town of Crook said: ‘Crook Beat Team are aware that it has been snowing and that people are going to have fun in it, however if anyone is caught throwing snowballs at vehicles or on to the road, they could be arrested.

    ‘Likewise, if anyone throws snowballs at persons’ homes or at people who do not want to be involved in the snow games, they could be arrested and it will be classed as anti-social behaviour.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2262616/UK-weather-White-UK-Satellite-map-shows-Britain-covered-snow-30-minute-storm-hits-Norfolk-causing-spate-accidents.html#ixzz2I7bOhl89
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  409. el gordo permalink
    January 18, 2013 8:52 pm

    ‘A member of staff at another supermarket in Newbury, Berkshire, described scenes that were ‘busier than just before Christmas’. ‘It’s almost a sort of mass hysteria,’ she said.

    ‘People are rushing in and blindly grabbing what they can see, frightened there will be nothing left.

    ‘The shelves are emptying as fast as we can fill them – they’re after bread, milk, dairy produce, fruit, vegetables and lots of people seem to be stocking up on the tinned stuff, like soup.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2264363/UK-weather-Heavy-snow-sweeps-Wales-West-Country-FOOT-way.html#ixzz2IJr5rjAt
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  410. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 21, 2013 12:09 pm

    Breaking: Obama EPA Shut Down Weatherford, TX Shale Gas Water Contamination Study

    …The Associated Press has a breaking investigative story out today revealing that the Obama Administration’s Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) censored a smoking gun scientific report in March 2012 that it had contracted out to a scientist who conducted field data on 32 water samples in Weatherford, TX…

  411. el gordo permalink
    January 30, 2013 8:30 pm

    Apparently an active sun was responsible for the warming late last century.

    http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/paper-finds-solar-activity-at-end-of.html

  412. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2013 9:56 pm

    You’ll like this , egg … I did

  413. el gordo permalink
    February 6, 2013 6:11 pm

    This is important …

    ‘Occam’s Razor and the null hypothesis. William of Occam (1285-1347) was an English Franciscan monk and philosopher to whom is attributed the saying ‘Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate’, which translates as ‘Plurality should not be posited without necessity.’

    ‘The phrase ‘Occam’s Razor’ is now generally used as shorthand to represent the fundamental scientific assumption of simplicity. To explain any given set of observations of the natural world, scientific method proceeds by erecting, first, the simplest possible explanation (hypothesis) that can explain the known facts. This simple explanation, termed the null hypothesis, then becomes the assumed interpretation until additional facts emerge that require modification of the initial hypothesis, or perhaps even invalidate it altogether.

    ‘Given the great natural variability exhibited by climate records, and the failure to date to compartmentalize or identify a human signal within them, the proper null hypothesis – because it is the simplest consistent with the known facts – is that global climate changes are presumed to be natural, unless and until specific evidence is forthcoming for human causation.

    ‘It is one of the more extraordinary facts about the IPCC that the research studies it favours mostly proceed using an (unjustified) inversion of the null hypothesis – namely that global climate changes are presumed to be due to human-related carbon dioxide emissions, unless and until specific evidence indicates otherwise.’

    Bob Carter

  414. el gordo permalink
    February 7, 2013 11:56 am

    Science education in schools, there’s always a heretic or two.

  415. el gordo permalink
    February 8, 2013 4:19 pm

    The recent heavy snow in Moscow (worst in 100 years) was thought to have been caused by global warming, but a new paper out refutes this theory.

    Its official, warmer temperatures produce less snow and cooler temps create more snow.

    http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/new-paper-finds-warming-causes-less-snow.html

  416. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 8, 2013 4:52 pm

    The real significance of the great global warming scare will probably be as a case study of the way science is degraded when it is used as a tool support the personal advancement and political agendas of the moral and intellectual imbeciles otherwise known as leftists. If the teaching of the modern academy is that truth is merely relative and power is everything it should come as no surprise that rigorous scientific inquiry is discounted in favour politicised science.

  417. el gordo permalink
    February 8, 2013 5:23 pm

    Agreed.

  418. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 8, 2013 5:33 pm

    Scientists seem to be coming in for a bit of flack at the moment!

    Sports scientists haven’t really improved the reputation of scientists.

  419. el gordo permalink
    February 8, 2013 7:56 pm

    The scientists responsible for spreading lies and distortions over thirty years needs be addressed, but its still going to be a long drawn out battle to debrief the populace.

    In the meantime we must arm ourselves with facts to counter blind faith.

    http://www.c3headlines.com/2013/02/ipcc-confirms-co2-is-not-a-thermostat-global-warming-is-not-dangerous.html

  420. TB Queensland permalink
    February 8, 2013 8:07 pm

    In the meantime we must arm ourselves with facts to counter blind faith.

    Like the ones @ 11:56 am above? 🙄

  421. el gordo permalink
    February 8, 2013 8:40 pm

    A generation has been lost.

  422. Sick Poppet permalink
    February 8, 2013 9:43 pm

    Meanwhile, in the real world, the science is settled. Global warming is crap.

  423. el gordo permalink
    February 8, 2013 9:57 pm

    Sad, but true.

  424. el gordo permalink
    February 9, 2013 6:56 pm

    Here’s solar max, lowest number since 1906.

  425. el gordo permalink
    February 10, 2013 4:31 pm

    ‘The WA Greens have labelled the Opposition Leader Mark McGowan a dinosaur after he revealed he does not support the Federal Government’s Carbon Tax.

    ‘The Premier Colin Barnett had been calling on Mr McGowan to declare whether he supported the tax or not but the Labor leader refused to be drawn saying it was a federal issue.

    ‘However yesterday Mr McGowan finally revealed he does not support the tax.

    ‘Greens MP Robin Chapple says that is disappointing.

    “We as the state of Western Australia are the largest emitters per capita anywhere in the world of CO2,” he said.

    ABC

  426. el gordo permalink
    February 11, 2013 10:35 am

    Huffpo won the Bloggies three years in a row (political section).

  427. February 11, 2013 6:35 pm

    …marginal zeal…

  428. el gordo permalink
    February 12, 2013 8:00 am

    Now that global warming has stopped we can look back and laff…

    http://www.welldonestuff.com/2012/10/polar-bear-ice-cube-molds.html

  429. el gordo permalink
    February 12, 2013 3:27 pm

    British Brainwashing Corporation Snips Sir David’s African Yarn

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/9861908/BBC-backs-down-on-David-Attenboroughs-climate-change-statistics.html

  430. el gordo permalink
    February 13, 2013 7:04 am

    The refreeze in the Arctic has been extraordinary, ‘only the third winter in history when more than 10 million km of new ice has formed.’

  431. el gordo permalink
    February 13, 2013 12:58 pm

    The leaked AR5 admits our star maybe having a bigger impact on climate than first projected.

    “[Results] do suggest the possibility of a much larger impact of solar variations on the stratosphere than previously thought, and some studies have suggested that this may lead to significant regional impacts on climate,” reads a draft copy of a major, upcoming report from the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

    (channeling Watts)

  432. el gordo permalink
    February 20, 2013 7:15 pm

    ‘I do hope Abbott follows thru and sacks every single one of those useless cnuts once he gets into Office.’

    Well said … Abbott will sack the Klimatariat and dismantle the green machine.

  433. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 7:28 pm

    Thought you might be providing a pertinent link for me, should have known better

  434. el gordo permalink
    February 20, 2013 7:37 pm

    Don’t go, you just got here. What about the cool trend in Germany?

  435. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 8:08 pm

    What about your link?

  436. el gordo permalink
    February 20, 2013 8:17 pm

    I’m having a little trouble finding it, will Nova do?

    http://joannenova.com.au/2013/01/skeptic-win-uk-met-office-quietly-drops-prediction-by-20-hopes-no-one-notices/

  437. el gordo permalink
    February 20, 2013 8:21 pm

    And here’s a moving chart illustrating the phenomenon.

  438. Tom R permalink
    February 20, 2013 8:24 pm

    things are not going to warm as fast as they thought isn’t really saying that things are cooling now, is it. And that’s even if a fruit loop like nova is not distorting things … again.

    I get the feeling that you will be having LOTS of trouble finding that article grodo 😉

  439. el gordo permalink
    February 20, 2013 8:30 pm

    Yeah, the UK Klimatariat is slippery, but thankfully Abbott will put the boot into our lot.

  440. el gordo permalink
    February 22, 2013 7:09 am

    Its alright Tommo, Pachauri admits there has been a pause in rising temperatures, but insists its too early to hear the fat lady sing. The man’s a fkn ratbag.

    ‘THE UN’s climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri, has acknowledged a 17-year pause in global temperature rises, confirmed recently by Britain’s Met Office, but said it would need to last “30 to 40 years at least” to break the long-term global warming trend.

    ‘Dr Pachauri, the chairman of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, said that open discussion about controversial science and politically incorrect views was an essential part of tackling climate change.’

    Graham Lloyd in the Oz

  441. Tom R permalink
    February 22, 2013 7:17 am

    Graham Lloyd in the Oz

    Funny you should mention fkn ratbags 😉

    Another anti-wind power article in The Australian has led scientists to denounce the paper’s continuing use of junk science to discredit renewables, says Cam Walker.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/business/media-2/more-hot-wind-from-the-australians-graham-lloyd/

    Are you ready to admit that you ‘lost’ that reference you were looking for about it getting colder?

  442. el gordo permalink
    February 22, 2013 7:56 pm

    ‘Are you ready to admit that you ‘lost’ that reference you were looking for about it getting colder?’

    It appears to have been erased, but when the IPCC chief says temperatures haven’t increased then I’ll accept that. Of course in Germany winter temperatures show a downward trend.

    ——-

    Taking the piss.

    (Phys.org)—Researchers from Montpelier University in France have discovered a novel way to trace climate change over the past several thousand years—by analyzing layers of urine deposited by generations of the rock hyrax in the mountains of South Africa. The small, guinea pig-sized animal lives among the rocks and crags and tends to urinate in the same spot every time it goes, creating layer after layer of material that is chock full of evidence of climatic change.

    Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-02-hyrax-urine-layers-climate.html#jCp

  443. el gordo permalink
    February 22, 2013 9:31 pm

    The cooling trend in Germany is undeniable and poses a serious problem for climate science.

    http://notrickszone.com/2013/02/17/meteorologist-dominik-jung-turns-skeptical-after-germany-sets-record-5-consecutive-colder-than-normal-winters/

  444. el gordo permalink
    February 24, 2013 8:38 pm

    Sixty percent of mainland USA covered in snow … this is no coincidence.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/23/over-650-snow-records-set-in-usa-this-week-another-wonky-surface-station-located/

  445. el gordo permalink
    February 24, 2013 8:57 pm

    Helen Caldicott says Monckton has “thyrotoxicosis and bilateral exophthalmos” and the Lord says she should be deregistered. Monckton has Graves Disease.

    Clearly her intention was to defame.

  446. el gordo permalink
    February 25, 2013 3:44 pm

    Flannery should resign as Climate Commissioner, because his projections have been totally wrong and has cost the taxpayers dearly. I expect Kevin will take care of him?

    More importantly the insidious practice of brainwashing our children has got to stop.

    http://www.ambitgambit.com/2013/02/24/5963/

  447. el gordo permalink
    February 25, 2013 3:48 pm

    From that link…

    ‘I was prompted to write this post by the daughter of a friend who confidently assured me that global warming was causing more droughts, and this was a double problem because the world also faced huge population pressures.

    ‘When presented with the empirical evidence that, at least in Australia, this was wrong, I was told that “Ms P (her teacher) had done a lot of study in this area, so must be right…” and that she didn’t want to be confused for her exam and lose marks.’

  448. el gordo permalink
    February 26, 2013 7:41 am

    ‘The Coalition will consider compensating big companies that are part-way through expensive refits to reduce their carbon price liability when the carbon tax is abolished.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/big-firms-may-get-carbon-cash-20130225-2f259.html#ixzz2Lwg20r9w

  449. el gordo permalink
    February 26, 2013 12:34 pm

    ‘This research of more than 1000 people shows that 15 per cent of the population believes the ABC’s coverage of the climate change debate leans in favor of climate change believers, a figure higher among Coalition voters of whom 29 per cent believe the ABC is biased on this issue.’

    Nick Leys in the Oz

  450. el gordo permalink
    February 26, 2013 9:54 pm

    Gillard begins dismantling the Klimatariat before the Abbott push?

    The funding for this lot dries up in June, with the loss of 100 jobs.

    http://www.nccarf.edu.au/

    No wonder the Greens are pissed.

  451. el gordo permalink
    February 27, 2013 7:51 am

    The MDBA is also being whittled down.

    ‘THE head of the Murray-Darling Basin Authority will write to state ministers warning them that potential budget cuts will see environmental programs for the rivers axed and maintenance work threatened.

    ‘The authority – the independent body that oversees the Murray-Darling system – says if the Victorian government follows recently announced budget cuts to the body by New South Wales and South Australia it will have to further slash its operations.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/state-funding-cuts-to-slash-murraydarling-work-20130226-2f47v.html#ixzz2M2XWLzyz

  452. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2013 5:28 pm

    People have had it with the Chicken Littles of the world. They now see this scam for what it is – a grab for money, power and prestige by a bunch of halfwits unable to achieve those things by hard work and intelligence. Instead they progress in the usual leftist way by putting their snouts in the trough – leaping to the top of the queue for research grants, being commissioned to write papers and proposals for scheming politicians who think there might be a vote in this, lecture fees, book royalties, ABC docos, well paid government appointments, corporate directorships, conferences in exotic locations and the warm satisfaction that comes from sharing the love in a circle jerk with like-minded looney lefties.

    It is high time we adopted the Chinese model – building coal fired power stations for ourselves while selling wind turbines to gullible westerners.

  453. el gordo permalink
    March 1, 2013 7:42 pm

    Four out of the past five UK winters have been cooler than average, but there is no need for alarm.

    The UK Met says its normal.

  454. el gordo permalink
    March 2, 2013 7:27 am

    Hooray!

    ‘LABOR is considering dissolving the $218 million-a-year Climate Change Department as part of a cost-saving restructure that could see it merged with another government bureaucracy.

    ‘The department is part of a $1.6 billion-a-year climate change behemoth in place to administer the government’s carbon tax. It also includes the Clean Energy Regulator, the Climate Change Authority and the Office of the Renewable Energy Regulator.’

    Joe Kelly in the Oz

  455. el gordo permalink
    March 2, 2013 12:42 pm

    ‘People have had it with the Chicken Littles of the world.’

    The problem before us is immense, to debrief a population on global warming…. the bureaucratic structure will not give way easily.

    ‘A forthcoming paper proposes the latest hair-brained geoengineering scheme to allegedly offset global warming. The authors suggest that transporting, at a minimum, 1 trillion kilograms of dust into space to form a “Sun-pointing elliptical Earth ring” will shield the Earth from solar radiation. The paper joins other geoengineering schemes including using a pipe to an airship to spew sulfuric acid into the upper atmosphere to “fix” the non-existent problem of man-made global warming.’

    The Hockey Schtick

  456. el gordo permalink
    March 2, 2013 1:30 pm

    The propaganda has been intense and continues before our very eyes.

    http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/2013/02/27/hot-planet-great-free-bbc-documentary-on-what-a-3-degree-world-may-look-like/

  457. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 3, 2013 8:16 pm

    Just saw this on Tim Blair

  458. el gordo permalink
    March 3, 2013 8:24 pm

    BoM said it was the hottest summer on record, but the sceptics say they have adjusted (tortured) the data to get the correct outcome…. global warming is a real and present danger.

    Here is an example of the Klimatariat’s handy work. They have no shame.

  459. el gordo permalink
    March 3, 2013 8:27 pm

    There is a better than even chance that Flummery will be sacked when the Coalition grabs the Treasury benches

  460. el gordo permalink
    March 5, 2013 8:26 pm

    LEIGH SALES: We know that, say, if you look back over the past 50 years there’s clear evidence of global warming… But there were figured released I think late last year that showed that there’d been a plateau for about the past 15 or so years…

    TIM FLANNERY: Look, in a sense what you’re saying is correct, Leigh.. but there has been no plateau…. 90 per cent of the heat that is trapped by the greenhouse gases goes into the ocean, and you look at the whole of the Earth, we’re seeing a very strong warming trend….

    He lies without shame.

  461. el gordo permalink
    March 5, 2013 8:31 pm

    The heat has not gone into the ocean because the SST has pretty much stalled.

  462. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 5, 2013 8:37 pm

    Gordo, you seem to think Flannery’s game involves telling people the facts. If you want to understand his idiotic words, follow the money!

  463. el gordo permalink
    March 5, 2013 8:57 pm

    Not sure its only the money, Flummery maybe a pathological liar…. the sceptics loathe him.

    http://www.theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/can-climate-commission-ever-get-it-right.html

  464. el gordo permalink
    March 5, 2013 9:05 pm

    Its not just the money, there is also kudos and power beyond measure. Put simply, I believe Flummery is a pathological liar and should be sacked.

  465. el gordo permalink
    March 5, 2013 9:42 pm

    Steady as you go, no tipping points in sight.

  466. el gordo permalink
    March 6, 2013 10:32 pm

    ‘U.K. stores of natural gas, pushed to record lows by a dearth of tanker imports, will be exhausted in about two weeks unless temperatures rise, reducing demand for the heating fuel.

    ‘The CHART OF THE DAY shows inventories at Rough, the U.K.’s largest gas-storage facility, are at the lowest level on record for the time of year. There were 6,490 gigawatt-hours of gas in storage yesterday, which will be depleted in 15 days if the average rate of withdrawal over the past two weeks continues, according to National Grid Plc (NG/) data.’

    Bishop Hill

  467. el gordo permalink
    March 7, 2013 4:52 pm

    There is now a growing consensus that the world stopped warming 17 years ago, even as CO2 continued to rise at a frantic pace.

    The recognition that carbon dioxide has no case to answer, will have a political impact. Abbott said global warming ‘is crap’ and meant it, leaving Malcolm, Joolya and Kev with egg on their faces for all time. History will not be kind.

    At the moment ENSO is neutral and looks like staying that way for quite some time, so there is no relief for the warmista there.

    Not sure if Abbott has the bottle to tell the people, but if he’s determined to secure both house in one fell swoop, it maybe a necessity.

  468. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 7, 2013 5:31 pm

    “Not sure if Abbott has the bottle to tell the people”

    This is the problem with Abbott. Wilkie was no doubt right about Abbott being willing to sell his arse for power. Abbott is as expedient as any other politician on the make. The Libs are committed to belief in AGW and he may see it as damaging to do an about face on that issue now. The trouble is that the longer he lives the lie the harder it will be to admit the truth in future.

  469. el gordo permalink
    March 7, 2013 6:11 pm

    ‘The trouble is that the longer he lives the lie the harder it will be to admit the truth in future.’

    Yep, but he’s our only hope. Assuming he gains both houses Abbott will abolish the tax and presumably the klimatariat, which sends a strong message even if he’s not prepared to spell it out.

    I’m hoping that Minchin will become Liberal Party president and drum some sense into them.

  470. el gordo permalink
    March 7, 2013 7:48 pm

    Sack Flummery Now

    “Over the past 50 years southern Australia has lost about 20 per cent of its rainfall, and one cause is almost certainly global warming,” Tim Flannery claimed in 2007.

    “Even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems.”

  471. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 7, 2013 7:59 pm

    ““Even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems

    Flannery should have a look at this.

    http://www.sca.nsw.gov.au/dams-and-water/weekly-storage-and-supply-reports/2016/7-March-2013

    Warragamba Dam is at 99.8% and some dams in Sydney’s water supply are overflowing.

    But because of Flannery we got a desal plant built costing us who knows what. I wonder what they are doing with it at the moment??

  472. el gordo permalink
    March 7, 2013 9:14 pm

    As a rough guide the Victorian desal plant will cost the taxpayers $20 billion over the next three decades. So the others built at the same time must be about the same.

    Where was the due diligence?

  473. el gordo permalink
    March 7, 2013 9:24 pm

    One of the major tenets of AGW is that there would be an increase in water vapour, but the latest scientific evidence says there is a decrease taking place.

    How much longer before the msm get off their arses?

  474. el gordo permalink
    March 8, 2013 6:55 pm

    Business and industry want the government to scrap the tax and bring in an ETS to replace it, starting in July 2013, but Labor and the Greens have rejected the notion.

    Meanwhile, the NSW government is turning its back on this gorebull worming nonsense.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-08/nsw-climate-minister-accused-of-snubbing-council/4560230

  475. el gordo permalink
    March 8, 2013 7:42 pm

    Here’s an educational piece from NASA on what’s happening with sol?

    They are hopeful its going to be a ‘double peak’, decided by a ‘simple majority’.

    The presenter’s voice is otherworldly.

  476. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 9, 2013 12:37 am

    Earth on track to be hottest in human history: study

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-08/climate-study/4561164?section=australianetworknews

    Earth is on track to becoming the hottest it has been at any time in the past 11.3 millennia, a period spanning the history of human civilisation, a new study says.

    Based on fossil samples and other data collected from 73 sites around the world, scientists have been able to reconstruct the history of the planet’s temperature from the end of the last Ice Age around 11,000 years ago to the present.

    They have determined the past 10 years have been hotter than 80 per cent of the past 11,300 years.

  477. el gordo permalink
    March 9, 2013 7:30 am

    Kitty your ABC is telling lies, spreading disinformation and propaganda, the earth is about to slide into an ice age.

    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Greenland_Gisp2_Temperature.svg

    The ABC needs to be dismantled.

  478. el gordo permalink
    March 9, 2013 7:42 am

    While I’m at it, the ‘related stories’ in kitty’s link prove beyond doubt that aunty is nothing but a propaganda slut.

    Hockey will have to take his axe to the bitch.

  479. el gordo permalink
    March 9, 2013 2:38 pm

    Andrew Bolt wants the Abbott government to set up an inquiry with both sceptics and warmists to settle the following questions:

    – How much is man heating the world really? What does the 16-year pause in warming mean?

    – Is the expected warming, if any, good for Australia or bad?

    – What difference would cuts in Australia’s emissions make to the global temperature and to our climate?

    – Is the cost of cutting our emissions worth the net gain from any change to the climate?

    – What is cheaper: to deal with whatever a warming climate may one day bring or to try to “stop” that warming?

  480. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 9, 2013 2:41 pm

    This whole global warming stuff pushed by the left is just crap.

    If Labor really believed that CO2 was destroying the planet they would ban coal exports.

  481. el gordo permalink
    March 9, 2013 2:45 pm

    ‘This whole global warming stuff pushed by the left is just crap.’

    Indeed it is, but you have to admire the propaganda, its state of the art.

  482. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 9, 2013 2:49 pm

    And if the Australian Labor Party really believed that CO2 was destroying the planet they would ban exports of this as well.

    http://bigpondnews.com/articles/Finance/2013/03/09/Aust_is_Japans_biggest_LNG_supplier_852744.html

    Australia is now the largest supplier of LNG to Japan, overtaking Qatar after the start up of Woodside’s Pluto gas project in the nation’s north west.

    LNG does not produce as much CO2 as coal but it still produces CO2.

  483. el gordo permalink
    March 9, 2013 2:55 pm

    Neil do you see any merit in the Bolter’s list?

  484. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 9, 2013 3:09 pm

    bolts list is interesting

    – Is the expected warming, if any, good for Australia or bad?”

    That statement is interesting. If global warming really is occurring it is always assumed that it is bad for humans. It may be better for us, especially in Australia. Anything that causes an increase in rainfall is good for Australia.

    But the whole thing makes no sense to me. To believe that humans can control the climate makes no sense to me.

  485. el gordo permalink
    March 9, 2013 3:17 pm

    And it makes no sense to the electorate at large.

  486. el gordo permalink
    March 9, 2013 3:42 pm

    ‘While the Direct Action Plan outline has been removed from the Coalition website, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott and the shadow Minister for Climate Action, Environment and Heritage, Greg Hunt, continue to state the plan is their climate initiative.’

    Tim Lubcke (Monash University)

    Something is happening and I don’t know what it is…..

  487. Nat King permalink
    March 9, 2013 10:13 pm

    “Our civilization, pace Chesterton, is founded on coal, more completely than one realizes until one stops to think about it. The machines that keep us alive, and the machines that make machines, are all directly or indirectly dependent upon coal. In the metabolism of the Western world the coal-miner is second in importance only to the man who ploughs the soil. He is a sort of caryatid upon whose shoulders nearly everything that is not grimy is supported.”

    http://orwell.ru/library/novels/The_Road_to_Wigan_Pier/english/e_rtwp

  488. el gordo permalink
    March 11, 2013 2:17 pm

    Mr Cole makes a lot of sense and so does Lawrence Solomon.

    http://opinion.financialpost.com/2013/02/28/lawrence-solomon-not-easy-being-green/

    The people of the world don’t regard global warming as a problem and that’s why joolya has lost the September election.

  489. el gordo permalink
    March 15, 2013 12:26 pm

    There has been another flood of emails (Climategate) which couldn’t have come at a more appropriate time. Here’s a few words from the mysterious hacker….

    ‘I don’t expect these remaining emails to hold big surprises. Yet it’s possible that the most important pieces are among them. Nobody on the planet has held the archive in plaintext since CG2.

    ‘That’s right; no conspiracy, no paid hackers, no Big Oil. The Republicans didn’t plot this. USA politics is alien to me, neither am I from the UK. There is life outside the Anglo-American sphere.

    ‘If someone is still wondering why anyone would take these risks, or sees only a breach of privacy here, a few words…

    ‘The first glimpses I got behind the scenes did little to garner my trust in the state of climate science — on the contrary. I found myself in front of a choice that just might have a global impact.

    ‘Briefly put, when I had to balance the interests of my own safety, privacy\career of a few scientists, and the well-being of billions of people living in the coming several decades, the first two weren’t the decisive concern.’

  490. The grass is greener permalink
    March 15, 2013 12:55 pm

    The earth is getting greener (Matt Ridley)

  491. el gordo permalink
    March 15, 2013 1:36 pm

    Good vid.

  492. el gordo permalink
    March 16, 2013 10:45 am

    James Delingpole on the FOIA hacker.

    ‘I hope one day that FOIA’s true identity can be revealed so that he can be properly applauded and rewarded for his signal service to mankind. He is a true hero, who deserves to go on the same roll of honour as Norman Borlaug, Julian Simon and Steve McIntyre: people who put truth, integrity and the human race first and ideology second. Unlike the misanthropic greenies who do exactly the opposite.’

  493. el gordo permalink
    March 16, 2013 1:25 pm

    ‘Blog sites are moving targets, issues change from day to day. We can’t do science this way.’

    Phil Jones

  494. el gordo permalink
    March 16, 2013 2:29 pm

    ‘A new report written by Dr David Whitehouse and published today by the Global Warming Policy Foundation concludes that there has been no statistically significant increase in annual global temperatures since 1997.

    ‘After reviewing the scientific literature the reports concludes that the standstill is an empirical fact and a reality that challenges current climate models. During the time that the Earth’s global temperature has remained static the atmospheric composition of carbon dioxide has increased from 370 to 390 ppm.’

    David Whitehouse

  495. el gordo permalink
    March 16, 2013 4:29 pm

    The latest gossip is that FOIA is an IT contractor who had the CRU emails fall right into his lap.

    That is, he’s not a hacker, nor is he a citizen of the US or UK. This narrows the field considerably.

  496. el gordo permalink
    March 16, 2013 10:32 pm

    ‘Calculations based on ensembles of climate models suggest prolonged standstills of about ten years can occur once every eight decades. Standstills of 15 years are much more difficult to explain.

    ‘This report shows, that if we have not passed it already, we are on the threshold of global observations becoming incompatible with the consensus theory of climate change.’

    David Whitehouse

  497. el gordo permalink
    March 17, 2013 11:08 am

    The NSW Treasurer said ‘consumers, who have been stung with energy bill increases of 52 per cent in the past three years, were already contributing $580 million to the federal government this year. And in what he described as a “double hit,” new Treasury modelling revealed the state-owned electricity generators would also forgo $355 million in revenue to the federal government.

    ‘Mr Baird said the cost would ultimately be passed on to energy consumers and reduce the state budget bottom line by $237 million. He said to make matters worse, the tax had forced a $1.3 billion reduction in the value of state-owned generator assets.The assets are expected to be sold to finance big infrastructure projects, including the WestConnex tollway. “The carbon tax is already having a very real impact on NSW at a time when we can least afford it,” Mr Baird said.

    Crawford in the Tele

  498. el gordo permalink
    March 17, 2013 8:27 pm

    A split is developing among the German Greens, which could find its way to Australia.

    Essentially, between those who hate nuclear power and the destruction of natural environments and the others obsessed with global warming.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-renewable-energy-policy-takes-toll-on-nature-conservation-a-888094.html

  499. el gordo permalink
    March 19, 2013 1:25 pm

    Breaking News

    ‘The Mail on Sunday today presents irrefutable evidence that official predictions of global climate warming have been catastrophically flawed.

    ‘The graph on this page blows apart the ‘scientific basis’ for Britain reshaping its entire economy and spending billions in taxes and subsidies in order to cut emissions of greenhouse gases. These moves have already added £100 a year to household energy bills.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294560/The-great-green-1-The-hard-proof-finally-shows-global-warming-forecasts-costing-billions-WRONG-along.html#ixzz2NwrwJgLZ
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  500. el gordo permalink
    March 19, 2013 4:14 pm

    There is a growing realisation that propaganda in schools does not benefit anyone.

    ‘Debate about climate change has been cut out of the national curriculum for children under 14, prompting claims of political interference in the syllabus by the government that has failed “our duty to future generations”.

    ‘The latest draft guidelines for children in key stages 1 to 3 have no mention of climate change under geography teaching and a single reference to how carbon dioxide produced by humans impacts on the climate in the chemistry section. There is also no reference to sustainable development, only to the “efficacy of recycling”, again as a chemistry subject.

    ‘The move has caused alarm among climate campaigners and scientists who say teaching about climate change in schools has helped mobilise young people to be the most vociferous advocates of action by governments, business and society to tackle the issue. ‘

    Juliette Jowit, The Guardian, 18 March 2013

  501. Biblical proportionism permalink
    March 21, 2013 11:07 pm

    “Global warming activists have a long history of linking climate and weather events to God’s punishment.”

  502. Incomensurable ambivalence permalink
    March 21, 2013 11:27 pm

    Do they?

  503. el gordo permalink
    March 22, 2013 7:21 am

    Being sinful makes me feel human.

  504. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 22, 2013 10:10 am

    With Earth hour coming up we should warmly applaud North Korea’s efforts. A quick glance at the night picture of NK from space shows that they have permanently embraced earth hour and are a shining example to the rest of the world. And they have barely any carbon footprint at all.

    We are indeed fortunate to have a government so committed to the destruction of the Australian economy that we will soon join North Korea in leading the world in the fight against global warming. We could all benefit from the adoption of a simpler lifestyle, and we are all too tall anyway. Where would the world be without visionary leftist states like North Korea demonstrating the way forward for humanity?

  505. el gordo permalink
    March 22, 2013 7:22 pm

    Climate Change Disruption

    ‘Britain is facing severe disruption today as the country is hit by heavy snow, flooding and blizzards – with snow set to continue for up to 48 hours.

    ‘Emergency services have seen a massive surge in weather-related call-outs, as officials issue a string of warnings urging the public to drive carefully.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2297343/Communities-flooded-following-heavy-rainfall-Environment-Agency-issues-80-flood-alerts-warns-flooding-today.html#ixzz2OFrJqdEP
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  506. el gordo permalink
    March 22, 2013 8:34 pm

    On the political front our minister for foreign affairs was in Kiribati recently, talking up global warming and rising sea levels. Neither of which are happening and straight away you see political expediency.

    This from Dr John Happs in Quadrant

    ‘No global warming and related sea-level alarm would mean no compensation claims from island nations.

    ‘Bob Carr also is smart enough to know that no global warming or sea-level alarm would mean that the Gillard government has no justification for its pointless carbon (dioxide) tax.’

  507. el gordo permalink
    March 24, 2013 6:03 pm

    Thankyou peek all, it certainly appears that the game is up for the doomsayers.

    The klimatariat has also run out of room to move, now that the warming has stopped.

    LOL

    “The risk of snowfall over the UK is related to the occurrence of cold winter weather. As probabilities favour for this year a colder season than last year’s, the risk of snowfall is enhanced.”

    UK Met

  508. el gordo permalink
    March 24, 2013 6:20 pm

    Germany and the UK are reporting a coolness in the air.

    There is no need for concern over the approach of a mini ice age, humanity will survive with flying colours.

  509. el gordo permalink
    March 24, 2013 9:27 pm

    ‘Freezing Britain’s unusually harsh winter could have cost thousands of pensioners their lives.

    ‘This month is on track to be the coldest March for 50 years – and as the bitter Arctic conditions caused blackouts and traffic chaos yesterday, experts warned of an ‘horrendous’ death toll among the elderly.

    ‘About 2,000 extra deaths were registered in just the first two weeks of March compared with the average for the same period over the past five years.

    ‘Meanwhile, power cuts and travel disruption will continue to blight Britain today, as more snow falls across the country on another bitterly cold day.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2298246/UKs-coldest-spring-1963-claims-5-000-lives-Pensioners-worst-affected–experts-say-final-toll-horrendous.html#ixzz2OS2jyMME
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  510. el gordo permalink
    March 27, 2013 1:36 pm

    ‘As the snow of the coldest March since 1963 continues to fall, we learn that we have barely 48 hours’ worth of stored gas left to keep us warm, and that the head of our second-largest electricity company, SSE, has warned that our generating capacity has fallen so low that we can expect power cuts to begin at any time. It seems the perfect storm is upon us.’

    Christopher Booker in UK Telegraph

  511. el gordo permalink
    March 28, 2013 7:38 am

    ‘Where ever you be let your wind blow free, for woe it was the death of me.’

    ‘CLIMATE commissioner Tim Flannery has dismissed concerns about possible health effects from wind farm noise, saying illness may be caused by stress or residents being “sick with envy” at not getting payment for turbines on their properties.

    ‘Speaking at a nurses’ forum yesterday about the relationship between climate change and health, Professor Flannery fended off a question from a regional Victorian nurse who said she supported wind energy but was seeing many patients with health problems attributed to a nearby wind farm.’

    Pia Akerman in the Oz

  512. el gordo permalink
    March 28, 2013 9:36 am

    The Economist, always a staunch supporter of AGW theory, has finally come out and admitted CO2 appears insensitive to climate change.

    http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21574461-climate-may-be-heating-up-less-response-greenhouse-gas-emissions

  513. el gordo permalink
    March 28, 2013 10:10 pm

    Myles Allen speaking on behalf of the Oxford Model School… just need a little more time, we know the heat is there.

    “I think it’s interesting because so many people think that recent years have been unexpectedly cool. In fact, what we found was that a few years around the turn of the millennium were slightly warmer than forecast, and that temperatures have now reverted to what we were predicting back in the 1990s.”

    “Of course, we should expect fluctuations around the overall warming trend in global mean temperatures (and even more so in British weather!), but the success of these early forecasts suggests the basic understanding of human-induced climate change on which they were based is supported by subsequent observations.”

    Source: Guardian

  514. Sonny Daze permalink
    March 29, 2013 12:11 pm

    The UK’s lead G8 negotiator rejected moves from Germany and France to make climate change a key talking point. Officials from the two countries are said to be disappointed their suggestions were rebuffed. There appears to be a view within Whitehall that a limited agenda has a better chance of success, and that focusing on the economy amidst an increasingly bleak financial landscape is a sensible ambition. Blocking climate change from the main agenda appears an odd move given the profile it has had at previous meetings. –Ed King, The Guardian, 26 March 2013

  515. Sonny Daze permalink
    March 29, 2013 12:23 pm

    Hotter, colder, what’s the difference? The cure‘s still the same.

  516. el gordo permalink
    March 29, 2013 2:25 pm

    A sceptical view of climate change is healthy, when you recognise the world hasn’t warmed in 17 years.

    The Denialati are a bunch of clowns with their global cooling meme, but obviously I’m not in a position to criticise them.

  517. March 29, 2013 5:46 pm

    Oh look, pajama zealotry!

    It’s worse than atheism.

  518. el gordo permalink
    March 29, 2013 5:56 pm

    In search of the missing heat the Australian Climate Commission (ACC) says its in the ocean, but this is only an assumption, a matter of faith.

    The Ocean Heat Content (OHC) down to 700 meters shows no warming since 2003, measured by the ARGO float project, so the warmists are liars playing bait and switch to save their necks.

    Sack Flannery.

  519. el gordo permalink
    March 30, 2013 4:57 pm

    Australia is tied into the European carbon market and if it goes over the edge then joolya will have egg on her face.

    ‘Europe’s emissions market is likely to be left all but broken should the region’s parliament fail to agree next month on combating the surplus of carbon permits, after the biggest quarterly slide in prices since 2011.

    ‘Allowances, which have plunged 28 percent this year to 4.81 euros ($6.20) a metric ton, will average 5 euros in 2013, according to the median forecast of five analysts surveyed by Bloomberg this week. Prices will probably drop below 2 euros if the European Union doesn’t enact a November plan to delay the sale of some emission rights, according to UBS AG.’

    Bloomberg

  520. el gordo permalink
    March 31, 2013 10:43 pm

    ‘The official watchdog that advises the Government on greenhouse gas emissions targets has launched an astonishing attack on The Mail on Sunday – for accurately reporting that alarming predictions of global warming are wrong.

    ‘We disclosed that although highly influential computer models are still estimating huge rises in world temperatures, there has been no statistically significant increase for more than 16 years.

    ‘Despite our revelation earlier this month, backed up by a scientifically researched graph, the Committee on Climate Change still clings to flawed predictions.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2301757/Governments-climate-watchdog-launches-astonishing-attack-Mail-Sunday–revealing-global-warming-science-wrong.html#ixzz2P7IzSF7d
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  521. el gordo permalink
    April 1, 2013 5:04 pm

    ‘The first principle is that you must not fool yourself … and you are the easiest person to fool. So you have to be very careful about that. After you’ve not fooled yourself, it’s easy not to fool other scientists. You just have to be honest in a conventional way after that.’

    Richard Feynman, Cargo Cult Science, 1974

  522. el gordo permalink
    April 2, 2013 5:07 pm

    Robert Manne, popularly voted Australian intellectual, is from another planet.

    ‘Today, according to Manne, the Left has a new challenge, which is the need to struggle against the injustice of one generation – ours – being perpetrated on generations of humans and other species not yet born.

    “This is the most important struggle human beings have ever faced. What is now at stake is the future of human beings and all life forms, the future of civilization,” Manne said, not being a man for understatement.

    ‘He compares the anti-warming struggle to that of the struggle against slavery, racism and sexual oppression, which all seemed hopeless at times but won through.’

    Tony Thomas in Quadrant

  523. el gordo permalink
    April 3, 2013 9:26 pm

    ‘So how’s that $5.7 billion desalination plant working for you, Victoria? And yours ($1.8 million), South Australia? And yours ($2bn), NSW? And yours ($1.2bn), Queensland? Bet you’re all really glad you took the expert investment advice of Tim Flannery a few years back when he treated you to all those dire warnings about your country’s climate future.’

    James Delingpole in the Oz

  524. TB Queensland permalink
    April 3, 2013 9:45 pm

    egg, this is the land of extremes .. the droughts WILL return … (dryest continent in the world) …

    That media tart, Beattie, had one good idea … instead of fixed desal plants … why not a fleet of smaller desal plants that could be sailed around our CONTINENT’s coast … to areas most in need?

    The other thing we need to consider is The Great Artesian Basin (its there for a fkn reason! Mother Nature is NOT stupid) … we need to utilise its collection, storage and water release in a more SCIENTIFIC/PRACTICAL way … instead of playing around with computers!

    All climate change scientists should be forced to read ALL the Dune books …

    The focus is all wrong … a couple of years ago I was told that you can’t use the immediate weather as an indicator of climate change – now we’re being told that “extremes” in Australia are an indicator or climate change FMD! … based on 100 years (or less!) of Oz records … this smacks of warbling rather than fact …

    I am still agnostic … just sayin’

  525. el gordo permalink
    April 4, 2013 8:39 am

    All I’m sayin’ is that CO2 does not cause warming (except in a laboratory) and that the gig is up. Mass delusion is not a pretty sight and last night on ABC news the propaganda machine was spewing it about as if there was no tomorrow

    In a land of droughts and flooding rains, dams would have been cheaper and more effective.

  526. el gordo permalink
    April 4, 2013 8:54 am

    ‘Mr Abbott has pledged to abolish the Climate Commission – the federal government’s agency for explaining climate science to the public – if elected, along with repealing the carbon price.

    ”When the carbon tax goes, all of those bureaucracies will go and I suspect we might find that the particular position you refer to goes with them,” Mr Abbott told Macquarie Radio on Wednesday.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-to-shoot-messenger-on-climate-20130403-2h776.html#ixzz2PRJaUW29

  527. el gordo permalink
    April 4, 2013 12:06 pm

    ‘CLAIMS from the latest report by the Climate Commission, titled The Angry Summer, have been widely circulated through international media. On the basis of a few sporadic episodes, which in any other era would have been regarded as marginal weather (infrequent but perennial), the Climate Commission has proclaimed that such events are now the norm – the signature of climate change come home to roost.

    ‘This report is but the latest in a series of dire proclamations from this panel. It just happens to buttress the government’s controversial carbon tax, a maladroit policy that will be pivotal in the forthcoming federal election.’

    Murray Salby in the Oz

  528. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 4, 2013 1:49 pm

    Climate change must have been rampant in 1908:

    “A land of droughts and flooding rains – a wilful, lavish land – flood and fire and famine – her pitiless blue sky, When sick at heart, around us, We see the cattle die”.

    They had ‘Angry Summers’ then? Who knew????

  529. el gordo permalink
    April 4, 2013 2:22 pm

    ‘The focus is all wrong … a couple of years ago I was told that you can’t use the immediate weather as an indicator of climate change – now we’re being told that “extremes” in Australia are an indicator or climate change FMD!’

    The klimatariat is clutching at straws, within a year they’ll be looking for jobs.

    In my book we can use the weather as a guide to climate change. Take for example this northern hemisphere winter, which lingers on and makes life a misery.

    The ACC is wrong in thinking something unnatural is happening with the weather, its a beatup, meanwhile a natural global cooling tipping point is just around the corner …they have failed all of us.

  530. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 4, 2013 2:29 pm

    “The ACC is wrong”

    It is not only that they are wrong and embezzlers of public money – these deluded psychopathic oxygen thieves should be put down for the good of humanity!

  531. el gordo permalink
    April 4, 2013 2:31 pm

    A public humiliation and recant will suffice, because we have a generation or two of brainwashed people who need to be debriefed.

    We could put Flummery behind bars for the desal fiasco.

  532. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 4, 2013 2:36 pm

    “We could put Flummery behind bars for the desal fiasco.”

    I would like to know how much that fucker has made from peddling his Chicken Little nonsense – from books, TV appearances, public speaking engagements, advisory fees, directorships and money from the ABC and other government sources. He has been taking the piss for years and doing quite well out of it as well.

  533. el gordo permalink
    April 4, 2013 3:43 pm

    He should be stripped of his ‘Australian of the Year’ title.

  534. el gordo permalink
    April 4, 2013 9:17 pm

    The Australian Climate Commission has just come out with more dire warnings, which was trumpeted loudly by the ABC.

    They really are a disgrace.

    The recent summer was warm, I know the editor of Trash was concerned, but it now appears it wasn’t remarkably warm after all.

    http://australianclimatemadness.com/2013/04/04/summer-not-so-angry-after-all/

  535. el gordo permalink
    April 6, 2013 1:45 pm

    Freeman Dyson on the Fudge Factor

    “I just think they don’t understand the climate, their computer models are full of fudge factors.

    “The models are extremely oversimplified, they don’t represent the clouds in detail at all. They simply use a fudge factor to represent the clouds.”

    This is the crux of the matter, the models are fundamentally flawed because the modellers minimise the importance of natural variability in climate.

    Garbage in, garbage out.

  536. el gordo permalink
    April 7, 2013 9:30 am

  537. el gordo permalink
    April 7, 2013 5:03 pm

    “There will be no carbon tax under the government that I lead”.

    Julia Gillard 2010

  538. el gordo permalink
    April 7, 2013 5:19 pm

    Bob Carter on the Climate Commission’s new report on that Angry Summer, says its unscientific and their “brief from the Government is to provide advice that is friendly to Government policy.

    “So it becomes a matter of spin. But the second part of that important fact is: carbon dioxide emissions have gone up by 8% over those 16 years. Now, those are the two key facts. You have never heard them on the ABC. You’ve never heard them on SBS. And you’ve never read them in the ‘Sydney Morning Herald’.

    “The Climate Commission is just conforming to the conventional political wisdom of the day, and trying to dress it up in all sorts of different reports. The latest one being about angry weather, so-called.”

  539. el gordo permalink
    April 7, 2013 8:26 pm

    Temperatures haven’t risen in 16 years, even though CO2 emissions have risen by 8%.

    ‘I am still agnostic … just sayin’

    That’s very convenient, but in the coming battle you maybe pressured into taking sides.

    In the meantime, Baltic sea ice lingers longer and Scientists are astounded.

    http://www.thelocal.se/47154/20130405/#.UWFFGBneOHk

  540. el gordo permalink
    April 8, 2013 8:26 pm

    James Delingpole attempts satire…. the Americans didn’t understand it and now he’s in hot water.

    ‘The last thing I would want is for Monbiot, Mann, Flannery, Jones, Hansen and the rest of the Climate rogues’ gallery to be granted the mercy of quick release. Publicly humiliated? Yes please. Having all their crappy books remaindered? Definitely. Dragged away from their taxpayer funded troughs and their cushy sinecures, to be replaced by people who actually know what they’re talking about? For sure. But hanging? Hell no. Hanging is far too good for such ineffable toerags.’

  541. el gordo permalink
    April 9, 2013 8:03 am

    Only a third of Americans believe global warming (which ended last century) is a serious problem.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/04/02/the-insiders-voters-are-cool-and-the-planet-is-too/

  542. el gordo permalink
    April 10, 2013 10:16 am

    I’m organizing a ‘flash mob’ if anyone wants to join.

  543. Flying Spaghetti permalink
    April 10, 2013 10:44 am

    Sign me up to play the part of Fudge Factor, please.

  544. el gordo permalink
    April 10, 2013 11:55 am

    We are looking for people with a sense of humor and a way with words.

  545. el gordo permalink
    April 16, 2013 7:24 pm

  546. el gordo permalink
    April 17, 2013 7:52 am

    STRASBOURG/BRUSSELS, April 16 (Reuters) – ‘European Union politicians rejected a plan to prop up the world’s biggest carbon market on Tuesday, sending it plunging to a new record low and raising questions about its survival.’

    Point Carbon

  547. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 17, 2013 10:10 am

    So our world’s best carbon tax/price is now almost 691% more than the European price.

    Remarkable, that the government still factors the high price into its forecast. It will have to find a way to make up the gap, and I suppose this means it will impose more tax on savings and superannuation.

  548. el gordo permalink
    April 17, 2013 10:16 am

    Our princess is remarkably ignorant about science and economics, but she’s great at political cunning and is bound to pull a rabbit out of the hat.

  549. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 17, 2013 11:32 am

    and I suppose this means it will impose more tax on savings and superannuation.”

    This has just recently been mentioned

    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/use-super-to-pay-for-health-care-report/story-e6frfku9-1226622241727

    AT least three per cent of superannuation should be set aside to cover the spiralling costs of health care, a new report recommends.”

  550. el gordo permalink
    April 17, 2013 11:38 am

    ‘Sheldon Whitehouse Says Climate Change Should Be The Next Gay Rights’

    Huffpo

  551. el gordo permalink
    April 17, 2013 5:35 pm

    ‘The price of carbon in the European emissions trading market – the world-leading scheme that will link with the Australian scheme in 2015 – has collapsed after a key vote to shore up the scheme failed overnight.

    ‘European Union parliamentarians voted 334 to 315 to reject a short-term fix to the trading scheme’s woes caused by a surplus of emissions permits, putting into doubt the future of the scheme.

    ‘The vote triggered a 40 per cent crash in the carbon price to around $A3.20 per tonne, before rebounding slightly to $A4 by the close of trading.

    ‘By comparison, Australia’s carbon price is fixed at $23 a tonne, and will rise over the next two years.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/carbon-price-collapse-could-hit-australian-budget-20130417-2hzg1.html#ixzz2QhhQpbUJ

  552. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 17, 2013 6:03 pm

    Funnily enough Swan doesn’t want to comment on the effect of decline in the European carbon credit market on his Budget.

  553. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 17, 2013 6:41 pm

    Listening to PM…

    Great!!

    After coming up with a carbon tax/trading scheme that will deliver a $7BILLION BLACKHOLE to Swan and the government, Ross Garnaut proposes that he fix up the value of our dollar.

    Thanks Ross, don’t call us, we’ll call you.

  554. el gordo permalink
    April 18, 2013 8:05 am

    I don’t understand…

    ‘A new round of tax cuts due in 2015 that were to help Australians cope with what had been expected to be a world carbon price of $29 a tonne will still be paid despite the federal government revising its forecast.

    ‘The compensation will cost $14.9 billion over the first four years of the tax which started on July 1 last year at $23 a tonne.’

    The Daily Terror

  555. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 18, 2013 11:30 am

    A new round of tax cuts due in 2015 …………..will still be paid despite the federal government revising its forecast.”

    Lets just put it on the credit card.

    The structural deficit in the budget must be enormous. But lefties tell me government debt does not matter. We are sovereign in our currency and we can just print more money to cover any problems.

  556. el gordo permalink
    April 18, 2013 4:06 pm

    The game is up, the models are flawed.

  557. el gordo permalink
    April 19, 2013 10:55 am

    They aren’t talking about the science and the Coalition is also out of step with reality on this score. Tony Jones is a nasty piece of work with his ‘carbon pollution’ obsession.

    FrackingFrackingFracking reduces CO2 emissions… its the elephant in the room, but not a word on that.

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3740397.htm

  558. el gordo permalink
    April 19, 2013 6:55 pm

    Kevin Rudd wins prize for being a dill.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/19/kevin-rudd-wins-golden-fleece-award/#more-84496

  559. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    April 20, 2013 5:01 am

    “New ice core research suggests that, while the changes are dramatic, they cannot be attributed with confidence to human-caused global warming, said Eric Steig, a University of Washington professor of Earth and space sciences.”

    Oh dear…Anybody else hear a pin drop? LOL

    http://www.washington.edu/news/2013/04/14/recent-antarctic-climate-glacier-changes-at-the-upper-bound-of-normal/

  560. el gordo permalink
    April 20, 2013 7:39 am

    Here is a graph illustrating what’s happening in Antarctica. When ever the world is warmer Antarctica increases in snow and ice which suggests Gaia has the situation under control.

    Over the past 150 years of global warming mass balance has increased, so there is no biblical flood expected any time soon.

  561. el gordo permalink
    April 21, 2013 10:49 am

    NASA study thinks CO2 is cooling the atmosphere and not warming it… as previously thought.

    http://principia-scientific.org/supportnews/latest-news/163-new-discovery-nasa-study-proves-carbon-dioxide-cools-atmosphere.html#.UVYwRz4bXF4.facebook

  562. el gordo permalink
    April 21, 2013 5:18 pm

    The story above travels close to spoof, but it ain’t, the PS mob are bending the troof. Take it with a grain of salt.

  563. el gordo permalink
    April 22, 2013 3:56 pm

    guffaw

    ‘Whilst the cold March 2013 weather is certainly unusual, it is not unprecedented or outside the expected natural variability of our climate. There is particularly heightened interest in the role of the Arctic on the UK’s weather, given rapid changes in Arctic sea ice, and on the likely changes we may observe given future decline.

    ‘It is worth re-emphasising, however, that while changes in the Arctic are consistent with predisposing the climate system to cold weather in northern Europe, this is only one possible driver among several potential factors which could account for the cold March weather.

    ‘What we have still to understand is the degree to which our changing climate may alter the likelihood and intensity of extreme events. With the rapidly changing Arctic, this is now high on the research agenda.’

    UK Met

  564. egg permalink
    April 25, 2013 11:48 am

    Looking in the rear view mirror it has the appearance of a LIA.

    ‘The Northern Hemisphere is experiencing unusually cold weather. Snow cover last December was the greatest since satellite monitoring began in 1966. The United Kingdom had the coldest March weather in 50 years, and there were more than a thousand record low temperatures in the United States. The Irish meteorological office reported that March “temperatures were the lowest on record nearly everywhere.” Spring snowfall in Europe was also high. In Moscow, the snow depth was the highest in 134 years of observation. In Kiev, authorities had to bring in military vehicles to clear snow from the streets.’

    David Deming in the Washington Times

  565. egg permalink
    April 25, 2013 2:49 pm

    As mentioned above, Germany is building six new coal power stations, but this number is dwarfed by China and India. Around the world there are 1200 coal power stations at the planning stage.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/nov/20/coal-plants-world-resources-institute

  566. egg permalink
    April 25, 2013 4:46 pm

    This thread is becoming a parody of alarmism, there were 3,318 cold records set this week in the U.S.

  567. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    April 27, 2013 4:51 am

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/26/climate-scientists-come-to-terms-with-the-lack-of-global-warming/

    Again, I thought the debate was over? Whoops….LOL

  568. egg permalink
    April 27, 2013 7:26 am

    Forget Kyoto, Japan to build coal fired power stations.

    ‘The Japanese government is moving to speed up the environmental assessment process for new coal-fired power plants as its power sector struggles with a surging energy bill in the wake of the forced idling of much of the country’s nuclear power plants following the Fukushima power plant meltdown in 2011.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/japan-turns-back-to-coalfired-power-plants-20130425-2ihb0.html#ixzz2Rbh4bNU4

  569. egg permalink
    April 28, 2013 7:20 am

    Global warming is good and global cooling is bad.

    ‘The Assessment is woefully ignorant of humanity’s ability to adapt and prosper in response to challenges. The quintessence of this is the truly dreadful chapter on human health and climate change.

    ‘While death, disease, poverty and injustice are all conjured by warming, there is not one mention of the fact that life expectancy in the U.S. is approximately twice what it was in the year 1900, or that per-capita income in real dollars is over ten times what it was then. It emphasizes diseases that will somehow spread because of warming, neglecting the fact that many were largely endemic when it was colder and were eradicated as we warmed a bit.’

    Pat Michaels et al CATO Institute

  570. egg permalink
    April 28, 2013 8:16 am

    This is essentially how a mini ice age begins.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2013/04/22/sk-cold-spring-1304.html

  571. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2013 2:57 pm

    Climate change causes prostitution???

  572. egg permalink
    April 30, 2013 3:52 pm

    “gender-specific frameworks in developing policies to address climate change.”

    Yep… that should be a great help.

  573. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2013 4:00 pm

    Looks like an issue in urgent need of research funding, much like everything else even vaguely connected with AGW. There are many such opportunities for leftist academics riding great gravy train of intellectual dishonesty we now call Climate Change. In fact anyone prepared to adopt the demeanour of Chicken Little can get a first-class ticket.

  574. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 30, 2013 4:16 pm

    I’d rather fund research into some of the issues highlighted in the galleries at the bottom, ahem, of the article.

  575. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2013 4:23 pm

    As you should be aware the galleries as well as the advertisements are often tailored to the browsing profile of the particular viewer. All I see are links to politics and sport!

  576. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 30, 2013 4:37 pm

    Well given it’s a work computer….I’m screwed.

  577. April 30, 2013 4:37 pm

    😆

    Onya, snacty!

  578. April 30, 2013 4:38 pm

    D E V I A N T

  579. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2013 4:40 pm

    This seems like a reasonable explanation:

    Lysenkoism was “politically correct” (a term invented by Lenin) because it was consistent with certain broader Marxist doctrines. Marxists wanted to believe that heredity had a limited role even among humans, and that human characteristics changed by living under socialism would be inherited by subsequent generations of humans. Thus would be created the selfless new Soviet man. …..

    Lysenko was consequently embraced and lionized by the Soviet media propaganda machine. Scientists who promoted Lysenkoism with faked data and destroyed counterevidence were favored with government funding and official recognition and award. Lysenko and his followers and media acolytes responded to critics by impugning their motives, and denouncing them as bourgeois fascists resisting the advance of the new modern Marxism.

    The V.I. Lenin Academy of Agricultural Sciences announced on August 7, 1948 that thenceforth Lysenkoism would be taught as the only correct theory. All Soviet scientists were required to denounce any work that contradicted Lysenkoism. Ultimately, Soviet geneticists resisting Lysenkoism were imprisoned and even executed. Lysenkoism was abandoned for the correct modern science of Mendelian genetics only as late as 1964.

    This same practice of Lysenkoism has long been under way in western science in regard to the politically correct theory of man caused, catastrophic, global warming. That theory serves the political fashions of the day in promoting vastly increased government powers and control over the private economy. Advocates of the theory are lionized in the dominant Democrat party controlled media in the U.S., and in leftist controlled media in other countries. Critics of the theory are denounced as “deniers,” and even still bourgeois fascists, with their motives impugned.

    Those who promote the theory are favored with billions from government grants and neo-Marxist environmentalist largesse, and official recognition and award. Faked and tampered data and evidence has arisen in favor of the politically correct theory. Is not man-caused, catastrophic global warming now the only theory allowed to be taught in schools in the West?

  580. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2013 4:42 pm

    Only joking, James.

  581. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 30, 2013 4:47 pm

    Don’t be concerned, SB, had it been my home computer……you’d have had me petrified!!

  582. April 30, 2013 4:48 pm

    😯

  583. Ol' Sancty permalink
    April 30, 2013 4:49 pm

    D E V I A N T

    Hehe……

  584. April 30, 2013 4:50 pm

    😉

  585. egg permalink
    April 30, 2013 5:20 pm

    Peter Ferrara got it perfectly and I wonder if toilet would care to offer a critique?

  586. April 30, 2013 7:05 pm

    I can certainly see his point.

    Asserting AGW theory is one thing, whitewashing legitimate opposition to it (ie. the scientific method) is definitely not something I support.

    Both sides need to be examined.

  587. egg permalink
    April 30, 2013 7:58 pm

    ‘Both sides need to be examined.’

    But its only the left who have brainwashed the populace through SBS, ABC and Fairfax, the media mouthpieces of the Klimatariat.

    Most of my family and friends still believe in human induced global warming, even as CO2 has failed to produce any warming over the past 16 years. So the task before us to debrief the population is enormous.

    On a daily basis we are bombarded with propaganda on this issue and history will not be kind to these instruments of mass delusion.

  588. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 30, 2013 8:29 pm

    egg

    You are starting to sound more and more like a Coalition supporter. I know it is hard to change religion but it looks like you have had a conversion experience of some description.

    I have not studied AGW but since the usual suspects believe in it I find AGW difficult to believe. Tim Flannery et al always seem to be on the wrong side of truth no matter what the subject. Same goes with the “left” in general. If the Greens believe in AGW, this is enough for me to be suspicious.

    AGW has all the hallmarks of a false religion. They all believe in it at the Cafe.

  589. egg permalink
    April 30, 2013 8:49 pm

    I was ‘rusted on’ until the science became clear, CO2 follows warmer temperatures and not the other way round.

  590. egg permalink
    May 2, 2013 8:32 pm

    Topher Field is making a vid to illustrate its far cheaper to do nothing about climate change and he’s seeking donations.

    http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/50-to-1-project-the-true-cost-of-action-on-climate-change

  591. egg permalink
    May 2, 2013 8:57 pm

    Jo Nova has a post up on Fourier Analysis, which illustrates we have reached a tipping point into a cooler regime.

  592. egg permalink
    May 4, 2013 4:36 pm

    BoM predicts global cooling based on sunspot numbers.

    This is a scoop!

  593. May 5, 2013 5:18 am

    Just how scrambled is your thinking, egg?

  594. egg permalink
    May 5, 2013 7:48 am

    Thanks for that dorothy dix, John.

    Its hard to know if I’m completely mad or only slightly around the bend, but looking at your old blog I would say that you have been caught on the wrong side of history.

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