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A Christmas Rostrum

December 24, 2012

Hello

And good afternoon.

T’was the night before Christmas and I couldn’t give a rat’s arse.

Anyway, have a nice time.

 

 

 

 

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  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 24, 2012 2:52 pm

    T’was the night before Christmas and I couldn’t give a rat’s arse.

    Season’s Greetings to you too!

  2. el gordo permalink
    December 24, 2012 4:00 pm

    Yeah…all the best.

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2012 4:11 pm

    T’was the night before Christmas and I couldn’t give a rat’s arse.

    G’day, Grinch! Merry Christmas! 😆 ho! 😆 ho! 😆 ho!

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2012 4:15 pm

    There, feel better now … trust yer mates to cheer ya up! Hey? 😛

  5. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 25, 2012 1:28 am

    I’m working, so would like to take this opportunity to wish one and all the very best of seasons greetings, hope you have good company, good food, good drink and good cheer.
    Thanks for being our host and indulging us throughout the year reb!

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 25, 2012 1:38 am

    Just seeing margie’s christmas wishes to us – what’s with that weird and very nasty looking lopsided, contrived ‘grin’ on abbott’s face?

  7. December 25, 2012 6:17 am

    Merry Christmas from the “racist, misogynous, right-wing, tea bag supporting” yank….and a blessed New Year to all.

  8. el gordo permalink
    December 25, 2012 8:59 am

    And what a year its going to be, mining has been supplanted by real estate.

    ‘Canberra has approved more than $170 billion worth of foreign investment in Australia in 2011-12, according to the annual report released by the Foreign Investment Review Board.

    ‘The real estate sector has replaced mining as the magnet for foreign money for the first time in recent history. Treasury gave a tick to $59.1 billion worth of overseas investment into the property sector, with more than two-thirds of that going into commercial property.’

  9. el gordo permalink
    December 25, 2012 8:41 pm

    Chinese very fast rail to open up the country with ‘city clusters’.

    http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-12/25/content_16049201.htm

  10. el gordo permalink
    December 26, 2012 8:09 am

    ‘The critically acclaimed US fantasy drama Game of Thrones has topped the chart for illegal downloads, confirming it is the most popular TV show watched by people who are not watching TV.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/game-of-thrones-crowned-king-of-downloads-20121224-2buay.html#ixzz2G6H4Rdqd

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 26, 2012 10:52 am

    Merry Christmas to all the TDT sparring partners and lurkers!!
    ——-
    Did I happen to mention during the past year that I think Gillard is dishonest and Swan is a bombastic dill?

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    December 26, 2012 11:14 am

    Just so folk don’t think I “forgot” them … I’ve transferred my post on an earlier thread to this one …

    December 24, 2012 11:14 am

    Chuckle … as if any polls are actually objectively neutral …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’ve wished all my “old” friends at CW a Merry Christmas …

    So to all the Trashers … friend and foe (and lurkers) … ☆☆☆ A Very Merry Christmas ☆☆☆ to you and yours, wherever you may be …

  13. J. Random Lurka permalink
    December 26, 2012 12:31 pm

    Happy Boxing Day, TB and etcetera.

  14. el gordo permalink
    December 26, 2012 5:09 pm

    Kitty, this is the front line.

    ‘If you are reading this in Australia, then you are too. Consider the physical impact of the violence and brutality to which women in India are subjected. Imagine the psychological and emotional effects of living in an atmosphere of danger and fear.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/the-beast-in-delhis-belly-20121225-2bv3a.html#ixzz2G8SXI0GW

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    December 26, 2012 7:45 pm

    Kitty, this is the front line.

    … mocking gender inequality only makes you look like a fool, egg …

    India has just stepped onto the ladder … Australia is halfway up … Scandinavia is closer to the top … each country will seek its own destiny … unfortuantely in its own time … Afghanistan, for instance, doesn’t even know the ladder exists!

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    December 26, 2012 7:46 pm

    JRL … Happy Boxing Day too … mmmmm “J”?

  17. el gordo permalink
    December 26, 2012 9:07 pm

    ‘mocking gender inequality only makes you look like a fool, egg …’

    I’m not mocking anyone.

  18. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    December 26, 2012 10:21 pm

    Sparta

    C’mon c’mon

    Some have a vision of a gun toting. God fearing , Republican who has a white hood he brings out once a year with a house encased with video cameras, a life membership of the NRA. Who supports the Miami dolphins but lusts after the Dallas cheer girls ( like all of us) has no idea what a golden duck is but knows how to BBQ with the best in the World .

    But are you married with kids and do you eat
    A bucket of KFC each day and is the potatoe gravy they do as good as ours?

    It’s all that counts really

  19. December 27, 2012 12:22 am

    “Kitty, this is the front line.”

    Where do we find these people…

  20. el gordo permalink
    December 27, 2012 7:57 am

    A long time back Kitty and I agreed that equal pay for equal work should have been on the political agenda, but its hasn’t even been mooted.

    So if joolya isn’t interested, then the monk won’t touch it either. So what’s the problem with concentrating our efforts to bring about a universal revolution?

    Too hard? Not as much fun as practising misandry at home?

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2012 10:46 am

    Where do we find these people…

    Don’t look at me!

    I just have to play with the ones you bring home all the time … 😯 😆

    (I dropped into the, Cayfe, during Christmas and I reckon, egg, may be a bit more careful with comments around here than there …)

  22. el gordo permalink
    December 27, 2012 12:52 pm

    The editor has a scathing wit, which I enjoy immensely except when its directed at me.

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2012 6:54 pm

    Everyone must be in a traffic jam! Wally’s, on his boat or eaten by a shark! KL, will be working … and Toillette … ToM’s retired and gone surfin’ … not even any Farnham sock puppets … astounding …

    Time for a surf meself …

  24. el gordo permalink
    December 27, 2012 6:56 pm

    Good news …Peak Farmland has been reached and now India and China are returning agricultural land back to its natural state.

    http://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2012/12/26/the_farmland_required_to_feed_humanity_has_peaked.html

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 27, 2012 7:18 pm

    Sometimes I have to socialise with left leaning public servant types. I have no idea what they do, but it all sounds terribly important.

    One woman recently commented to another left leaning woman that ‘our girl’ did well in her misogyny speech.

    *Is it common for public servants to call the Prime Minister ‘our girl’?
    *Or is the term limited to other ‘girls’
    *Would it be appropriate to call Abbott ‘our boy’?
    ========
    I think egg’s rhyming slang in funny (I presume that’s what it is).

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 27, 2012 7:23 pm

    Nice surf today TB, thank you. Now for a few reds.

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2012 7:49 pm

    Is it common for public servants to call the Prime Minister ‘our girl’ … Would it be appropriate to call Abbott ‘our boy’

    …. cringeworthy … both … methinks, ToM …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think egg’s rhyming slang in (sic) funny

    Wot fkn rhyming slang?

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2012 7:50 pm

    Now for a few reds.

    I’m now drinking Dirty Granny … *clink*

  29. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    December 27, 2012 10:18 pm

    I don’t own a boat T B

    Its too hard…… Ridiculously hard to manufacture a tax loss out of one these days so I don’t bother. I only get invited for my good humour , conversation and fishing knowledge.

    We caught a 2 metre grey nurse last week. It took 3 of us 40 minutes to get her completely free of the line and free again.

    But as a consolation we caught 14 flatheads between 500mm and 650mm.

    Plus various jewfish and bream ( around 25) in one night.
    All 16 miles out.

  30. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    December 27, 2012 10:22 pm

    I’ve also heard “our girl” from female public servants.

    Quite pathetic .

    If she is some sort of “victory” for the sisterhood it don’t bode well for the future for them.

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 27, 2012 10:35 pm

    It is cringeworthy, but I also think it is indicative of the sense of possession some feel over her. Gillard is a symbol that even mediocre bogans can be successful.

    She is a rallying point for the easily inspired.
    ========
    One of the benefits of summer on the Victorian coast is the abundance of good byos. I’m always more interested in wine than in food.

    This evening I tried a 2004 bin 407, which I consider a great night out in a bottle. The food was quite edible.

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 27, 2012 10:39 pm

    I presumed ‘sharp wit’ was rhyming slang.

  33. el gordo permalink
    December 27, 2012 10:58 pm

    I used ‘scathing’ Tom and apologise to the blogmaster. It should have been ‘razor sharp wit’.

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    December 28, 2012 12:55 pm

    I used ‘scathing’ Tom and apologise to the blogmaster. It should have been ‘razor sharp wit’.

    So, if you use rhyming slang, as, ToM, suggests … you are referring to, sreb, as a “raving twit” ie scathing wit … 🙄

    You lot do know what rhyming slang is … don’t you?

  35. el gordo permalink
    December 28, 2012 1:00 pm

    I certainly don’t. Tom’s the authority.

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    December 28, 2012 4:03 pm

    Tom’s the authority

    You should look up “oxymoron”, egg ….

  37. el gordo permalink
    December 28, 2012 4:39 pm

    This place is dead without the sock puppets.

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 28, 2012 6:38 pm

    Sock pupets need a holiday too. It’s slow because most people who actuallly earn a living are having a holiday.

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    December 28, 2012 6:59 pm

    … most people who actuallly earn a living are having a holiday.

    Wish I could …

    Definition: Retirement … work without pay or holidays …

  40. el gordo permalink
    December 28, 2012 7:15 pm

    What’s needed is an outlandish headline to woo those fickle sock puppets back.

  41. el gordo permalink
    December 28, 2012 7:17 pm

    Definition: Retirement (part time workers and VSBs) work without pay or holidays …

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    December 28, 2012 8:08 pm

    What’s needed is an outlandish headline to woo those fickle sock puppets back.

    SOCK PUPPETS FK ‘EM ALL!

    Cowardly Pricks Who Can’t Stand Tall!

    Story: egg

  43. el gordo permalink
    December 28, 2012 9:13 pm

    On the blogosphere its not uncommon to find sock puppets, although to be fair nobody is ever sure if they really are sock puppets.

    Some of these cowardly pricks may in fact be women.

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    December 28, 2012 9:15 pm

    Some of these cowardly pricks may in fact be women.</I.

    Well spotted, egg …

    SOCK PUPPETS FK ‘EM ALL!

    Cowardly Bastards Who Can’t Stand Tall!

  45. Sock Puppets Fk 'Em All! permalink
    December 28, 2012 9:44 pm

    el gordo is starting its own blog then? It’s so good at telling blogmastas how it’s done. Put up ot shut up biatch!

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 28, 2012 10:01 pm

    I think it is up to people to participate on blogs however they like. Sock puppets can add some value by sparking contention.

    I can also understand their need for some intelligent discourse (here) given the quality that is evident on some blogs these days.

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 28, 2012 10:03 pm

    As a matter of interest, this evening I have enjoyed a bottle of 07 Jaraman Shiraz. The food was incidental to the enjoyment of the wine.

  48. el gordo permalink
    December 29, 2012 6:58 am

    Over the silly season I have made the occasional foray onto alien blogs and have offered advise on the direction of the new media. This has not always been well received, even though most of last century I was involved in the msm and may have a clue.

    ‘Put up ot shut up biatch!’

    Sock puppets are free radicals, beyond trolls.

  49. el gordo permalink
    December 29, 2012 7:30 am

    ”When it comes to the political debate, it’s been a real race to the bottom,” said John Hewson.

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    December 29, 2012 10:11 am

    BEWARE ALL BEARS!

    Especially the Russian species …

    (Reuters) – President Vladimir Putin signed a law on Friday that bans Americans from adopting Russian children and imposes other sanctions in retaliation for a new U.S. human rights law that he says is poisoning relations.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/12/28/uk-russia-usa-adoptions-ban-idUKBRE8BR05620121228

    Putin is dangerous, very dangerous …

  51. el gordo permalink
    December 29, 2012 4:51 pm

    Putin is moderately dangerous, he runs a quasi police state. The days of Russian adventurism are over, Afghanistan was the straw that broke the camel’s back and there will be none of that on Putin’s watch.

  52. el gordo permalink
    December 29, 2012 5:02 pm

    “However it is important to state that both Gina and I believe that the lifeblood of Fairfax is the integrity and accuracy of its journalism.

    “This in no way would be compromised if Hancock Prospecting and Gutenberg Investments had a significant say in the future of Fairfax,” said John Singleton

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/rupert-or-gina-no-thanks-say-greens-20121229-2c03o.html#ixzz2GPyYSjkD

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 29, 2012 6:49 pm

    KL, will be working…

    yep, still working, one more night shift then 4 x days off! I plan to ring in the new year with a bottle of moet, bruschetta and nibblies. I’ll be toasting loved ones near and far and those now departed from us. This year I’ll add a toast to TDT contributors, my ‘other family’ I like dysfunctional families!

    Sock pupets need a holiday too. It’s slow because most people who actuallly earn a living are having a holiday.

    The 2004 bin 407 went down well then? 😆

    Well, those that work business hours anyway. Unfortunately these people are the ones that want others ‘earning a living’ like shift workers, hospitality workers and those who provide essential services to receive no penalty pay for their unsocial hours worked. They make out that public holidays and weekends are just ordinary hours.

    If that is what business wants, I expect business to operate outside of business hours, I want banks, councils, govt services, accounting firms etc to be all open on weekends, A/H and public holidays too. Lets have some equality of working hours – good for some, good for all.

    India has just stepped onto the ladder … Australia is halfway up … Scandinavia is closer to the top … each country will seek its own destiny …

    Indian women and men are demanding their voices be heard and demanding change, the govt is hastily trying to placate.

    Of course all women deplore violence against other women anywhere in the world. It is sickening to see what an entrenched system of patriarchy delivers for women in a society where no justice is forthcoming and no punishment given to offenders who are protected within that society.

    Too hard? Not as much fun as practising misandry at home?

    That comment is quite offensive. Why do you feel that women must be the ones responsible for male behaviour, violence and attitudes? Why are aussie men like you not equally outraged and protesting in the streets? This is not simply a ‘women’s’ issue, it is one for society.

    just shows there is still much work to be done here!

  54. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 29, 2012 7:12 pm

    The medical student could not survive such a brutal pack rape, physical attack with iron rods and being tossed out of a moving bus as if she were a bag of garbage. Her male friend’s injuries must have been very severe too. It is truly shocking to know that males individually and collectively are capable of such inhumanity.

    misandry at home el gordo? good grief, what is wrong with you?

    For Anonymous:

    http://nilanjanaroy.com/2012/12/29/for-anonymous/

    …The first was: enough. Let there be an end to this epidemic of violence, this culture where if we can’t kill off our girls before they are born, we ensure that they live these lives of constant fear…

    …She had a name of her own–it was not Amanat, Damini or Nirbhaya, names the media gratuitously gave her, as though after the rape, she had been issued a new identity. I don’t need to know her name now, especially if her family doesn’t want to share their lives and their grief with us. I think of all the other anonymous women whose stories don’t make it to the front pages, when I think of this woman; I think of the courage that is forced on them, the way their lives are warped in a different direction from the one they had meant to take. Don’t tell me her name; I don’t need to know it, to cry for her…

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    December 29, 2012 7:23 pm

    I’ll be toasting loved ones near and far and those now departed from us

    Nice to see you here, KL …

    It will be a very sad year for us … we already know … this years NYE party will include the ADF major, responsible for looking after funeral arrangements and families in, Brisbane for those diggers who were killed in Afghanistan this year … he’s just be told that his wife, of two months, has one to two weeks to live (cancer) … that was a week ago … we’ll also have a half colonel and his family turning up … and a couple of ex non-coms (one my son) and a nasho 😉 … hope its not too dreary!

    We’ve been organising some games and a trivia quiz … this years theme is The Outback, my nine year old g/son will be attending as a “mirror image” Aboriginal …

    I thought about going as a fly – wings and big sunglasses – easy … but looks like its the blue singlet and shorts – shearer … and the Eureka flag draped upon the wall …

    We too always toast absent friends, KL, (usually our dear friend the major does that for me … maybe too hard this year …) I follow with John Lennon’s, “Imagine” – the most appropriate song I know for every NY …

    Indian women and men are demanding their voices be heard and demanding change, the govt is hastily trying to placate.

    And now the poor woman has died …

    (whatever happened with the news about the nurse from India and the King Edward VII hospital? Intervention by The Firm?)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Pleased about this news …**

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health-fitness/sandgate-holds-key-to-long-life-as-research-reveals-australias-health-hotspots/story-fneuz9ev-1226544791204

    I bet I know someone else around here is too … 😉

    ** The Minister and I grew up in the Sandgate area …

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    December 29, 2012 7:29 pm

    … if we can’t kill off our girls before they are born, we ensure that they live these lives of constant fear…

    I lived in fear for a long time, while growing up … and can empathise with the “constancy” of fear … all your life, every once in a while, it tries to creeps up on you …

  57. el gordo permalink
    December 29, 2012 7:59 pm

    ‘That comment is quite offensive.’

    I apologise unreservedly.

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 29, 2012 9:10 pm

    It isn’t just the debate that is the race to the bottom.

    • Low grade, dumb, dishonest leaders
    • The dumbest treasurer on record, and a slovenly shadow who is probably marginally more intelligent but who is out of his depth.
    • Policies designed to appeal to rednecks
    • A choice of devious hacks,, dumb time servers and manipulative powerbrokers.
    • The least active and most stupid backbenchers in history
    —————————
    Good surf today on the marvelous Victoria coast. Now scoffing an 06 bin 28.

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 29, 2012 10:00 pm

    The rape in India is shocking, but we shouldn’t forget the violence against women that is so common here.

    The recent rapes and murders are usual by repeat offenders. As I’ve suggested, it’s time to get serious about repeat, violent offenders. Anyone convicted of sexual violence against women gets the right to wear a tracking device for a decade.

    Many women would still be alive if these people were under surveillance.

    —————–
    The 407 was great AO, the pleasures of the annual holiday – red of an evening and surf during the day.

  60. el gordo permalink
    December 30, 2012 7:34 am

    ‘As British women struggle for equality in the workplace, many complain that the pay gap between the genders is still gaping.

    ‘Some blame it on a cliquish attitude that favours men, while others point to employers penalising them for taking time out to have children and raise them.

    ‘But now, a study claims to have discovered who is at fault for the rift in salaries – women.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2254506/Female-Pay-Why-women-receive-lower-wages-men.html#ixzz2GTW1N7Ir
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2012 10:32 am

    Hear! Hear! ToM (December 29, 2012 10:00 pm) … well said, ser!

  62. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    December 30, 2012 10:51 am

    Tom,

    The problem in morally equivocating here is not “rape” itself which is found in all cultures but the “culture” in India which simply sees it as a “misunderstanding”. I was shocked to find that often the rapist is convinced or advised to marry his victim; as if this admonishes him of his crime…Ass backward culture…..

  63. el gordo permalink
    December 30, 2012 12:10 pm

    India is a Medieval culture.

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2012 1:27 pm

    I’m just sitting here shaking my head … should I or shouldn’t I?

  65. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    December 30, 2012 2:15 pm

    TB,

    Its not a tough sell dude…If you have trouble seeing the differences between the two here I am afraid your living in OZ…

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2012 5:00 pm

    What do you think I was shaking my head about, Sparta?

  67. el gordo permalink
    December 30, 2012 6:22 pm

    India is a Medieval society because they have ‘untouchables’.

  68. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 30, 2012 6:30 pm

    The problem in morally equivocating here is not “rape” itself which is found in all cultures but the “culture” in India which simply sees it as a “misunderstanding”.

    I think the moral problem in all cultures is the rape itself – certainly for women.

    Because rape exists in all cultures, doesn’t make how it is viewed or how it is excused, in any way acceptable. That seems to me to be a ‘look over there, they are worser’ argument, where western society gives itself better marks for something that remains inherent and endemic in it’s own culture and society.

    There are no morals to be found in rape IMO.

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2012 8:00 pm

    I really don’t think “they” get it, KL … I really don’t … and that’s why I didn’t post my original thoughts … I sat here shaking my head at the ignorance (in the true sense of the word) and then obviously saved it – awaiting a reply to my last post (in all fairness it’s 1:55 am in Phoenix) …

    … here’s what I origally wrote …

    … morally equivocating …

    WTF!

    Six blokes attack a couple beat them up … rape the woman and she dies … is a “misunderstanding” …

    … there is no “moral equivocation” (the correct use of the phrase BTW) in ToM’s post …

    Capital punishment is a legal but rarely carried out sentence in India. Imposition of the penalty is not always followed by execution (even when it is upheld on appeal), because of the possibility of commutation to life imprisonment.[1] Since 1995 it has been used only three times, on Auto Shankar in 1995, Dhananjoy Chatterjee in 2004, and Ajmal Kasab in 2012.</i.

    What's the bet the Indian courts are about to see this as the fourth time … politically expedient … and true justice if I was the girls family …

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2012 8:01 pm

    CORRECTION – forgot to close the “blockquote” …

    What’s the bet the Indian courts are about to see this as the fourth time … politically expedient … and true justice if I was the girls family …

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 30, 2012 8:40 pm

    Respect for law and order is certainly a characteristic of culture. Any culture that lacks respect for minority groups, asylum seekers, the disposed or women (or which sees them as fair game) are a few rungs down on civility.

  72. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    December 30, 2012 11:03 pm

    Just back in range after being out at sea for 2 days.

    Dumbstruck because…..

    Wtf Tony Grieg has died ..

    He was a fantastic guy , he and I sat together and conversesd for around 90 minutes on 4 occasions at various dinners. Obviously that does not make for lifelong buddies but he recognised me from the first time 1 year before and each year returned to have a chat at my table at a function.

    He was a true gentleman and a bloody great guy.

    Sorely missed

  73. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    December 30, 2012 11:05 pm

    Oh fuck I see

    Usual subjects under discussion….

    I might swim out to sea and fish .

  74. December 31, 2012 12:31 am

    “I might swim out to sea ”

    We live in hope.

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 31, 2012 1:32 am

    WTF!
    Six blokes attack a couple beat them up … rape the woman and she dies … is a “misunderstanding” …

    Yes TB.
    I can’t see any misunderstanding at all, it is women being viewed and treated as sexual objects same as it is in western culture.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/29/clash-cultures-india-women?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

    …Few among the overwhelmingly youthful protesters had much confidence in their leaders. Many asked why they should trust political parties who in the last five years have fielded candidates for state elections that included 27 charged with rape and scores more under investigation for harassment and assault…

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/30/india-gang-rape-victim-cremated

    …On the night of the attack, the woman and a male friend, who also has not been identified, were on a bus after watching a film when they were attacked by six men who raped her. The men beat the couple and inserted an iron rod into the woman’s body, resulting in severe organ damage. Both were then stripped and thrown off the bus, according to police…

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    December 31, 2012 9:47 am

    “I might swim out to sea ”

    We live in hope.

    How far can a walrus swim I wonder …

    Usual subjects under discussion…. Yep, I can see why the death of a cricket commentator would be more important than an Indian woman being raped and murdered … 🙄

    One point I’d like to make, particularly to all the misogyinsts that post (and I suspect lurk) here) … rape is not about sex … it is about power and control …

  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 31, 2012 12:56 pm

    … rape is not about sex … it is about power and control …

    exactly TB.
    And this idea that men are not responsible for their own actions, apparently the mere sight of a woman unleashes powerful and uncontrollable urges in many men. Of course it is the woman’s fault, the way she dresses, looks, talks, acts, etc. If she dares to be out alone and after dark, whatever her circumstances, she is ‘fair game’ and even if she does nothing at all, if he imagines it to be, then it is.

    A couple of quotes which to me reflect one modern male’s version of patriarchy, power and control.

    …5. ‘I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons’

    6. ‘I think there does need to be give and take on both sides, and this idea that sex is kind of a woman’s right to absolutely withhold, just as the idea that sex is a man’s right to demand I think they are both they both need to be moderated, so to speak’…

    And if she is overpowered and ‘legitimately’ raped, if her magical female body hasn’t managed to ‘shut the whole process down’ and she becomes pregnant as a result of her attack, she should welcome her attacker’s violent ‘gift’ to her:

    Wake up: It’s not just Akin:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/21/opinion/granderson-gop-rape-abortion/index.html

    Can you tell me sparta, is the republican party’s attitudes and legislations affecting female fertility any different to male attitudes and beliefs in India?

  78. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    December 31, 2012 2:47 pm

    “Because rape exists in all cultures, doesn’t make how it is viewed or how it is excused, in any way acceptable.”

    I never implied otherwise Kitty…But I think it is fair to say that in “western” culture it is simply an abomination! The fact that in some cultures like the one in question it is seen as a minor indiscretion says it all! We pray tell do you think I am always on about feminism having a role in other places! My wife and I have a special place in our hearts for women around the world. Have you any knowledge of the “Pink Saris”? Perhaps you should…

    “That seems to me to be a ‘look over there, they are worser’ argument, where western
    society gives itself better marks for something that remains inherent and endemic in it’s own culture and society.”

    Hardly…Simply stating the obvious…In one culture it is seen as a minor transgression and in another a completely despicable act that should be condemned on all fronts; prosecuted with the full powers of the law. Here, no country wide demonstrations needed, get the point? Hopefully you can tell which one is which! To deny there are differences is to have your head in the sand and the fact I am having to explain myself here is a bit pathetic…

  79. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    December 31, 2012 2:55 pm

    “What’s the bet the Indian courts are about to see this as the fourth time … politically expedient … and true justice if I was the girls family …”

    The country is ass backwards, my father in-law says as much hence why he moved his family to Canada…It is rather disappointing. I have a profound respect for the Indian “people” and their rich history but my god, talk about a country struggling to let go of its past and join the modern world

  80. el gordo permalink
    December 31, 2012 3:18 pm

    India is a Medieval society in the Modern Age.

    While you’re there Sparta, what’s your take on the fiscal cliff?

  81. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 31, 2012 4:05 pm

    Hardly…Simply stating the obvious…In one culture it is seen as a minor transgression and in another a completely despicable act that should be condemned on all fronts; prosecuted with the full powers of the law. Here, no country wide demonstrations needed, get the point?

    I do sparta, a crime without a lot of convictions.

    If it really were seen as despicable act, there wouldn’t be any rapes in the US or Australia would there? I don’t think reality quite matches your rosy view of a much more civilised country eg women not being covered by health insurance for rape, rape kits not funded, police not prosecuting the crime.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/09/cbsnews_investigates/main5590118.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

    …Rape in this country is surprisingly easy to get away with. The arrest rate last year was just 25 percent – a fraction of the rate for murder – 79 percent, and aggravated assault – 51 percent. ..

    …The suspect’s attorney told police his client never had sex with Valerie. Yet an exam revealed “evidence of forced sexual penetration.” Semen found on her underwear. Nurses took a rape kit- a collection of swabs and clothing that provide DNA evidence. The suspect provided a sample. But the DNA was never tested.

    “Testing the kit is one way to affirm a victim’s story,” Tofte said, “and discredit the suspect’s story.”

    A five month CBS News Investigation has found a staggering number of rape kits — that could contain incriminating DNA evidence — have never been sent to crime labs for testing.

    At least 20,000 untested kits: 5,600 in Detroit. 3,800 in Houston. 5,100 in San Antonio, 1,100 in Albuquerque….

    …Police departments told us rape kits don’t get tested due to cost – up to $1,500 a kit — a decision not to prosecute, and victims who recant or are unwilling to move forward with a case.

    Psychologist David Lisak from the University of Massachusetts has spent twenty years studying the minds of rapists.

    “Somehow all we can do is take the statement from the victim. Take the statement from the alleged perpetrator and then throw up our hands because they are saying conflicting things,” he said. “That’s not how we investigate other crimes.”…

    So, not nearly prosecuted to the full extent of the law, almost as much non-reporting of rape as there are rapes because the victims don’t want to be traumatised all over again by the legal process. How she looks, dresses, behaves and her past sexual history is paraded publicly. Where the homelife, lifestyle and pesonal choices of the victim are poured over and she is viewed as either a ‘good girl’ or a ‘bad girl’.

    In US in 2008 there were:

    Nearly 90,000 rapes
    Another 75,000 not reported
    Arrest rate of 25%
    89,000 rapes & 22,584 arrests

    Better than India no doubt, but hardly what you claim as seen as a despicable act and prosecuted to the full extent of the law or even condemned on all fronts.

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    December 31, 2012 6:05 pm

    Just to lighten the topic, as its very close to the start time, for our NYE festivities ….

    A HAPPY & PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR to everyone here from, The Minister for War, Water, Power, Finance & Fun (we’re an eco family) 😛 and myself … I look forward to more debates in 2013 …

    Posting here is one of the important things in my life, I believe it keeps my mind active and, I confess sometimes my emotions and passions high!

    many thanks to you all — especially the, Farnham Family …

  83. el gordo permalink
    December 31, 2012 6:30 pm

    Likewise…and a very happy new year to my absent friends ToSY and James.

  84. el gordo permalink
    December 31, 2012 6:50 pm

    What’s this fiscal cliff?

    ‘Generally speaking, functioning societies make good-faith efforts to raise what they spend, subject to fluctuations in economic fortune: Government spending in Australia is 33.1 percent of GDP, and tax revenues are 27.1 percent. Likewise, government spending in Norway is 46.4 percent and revenues are 41 percent — a shortfall but in the ballpark. Government spending in the United States is 42.2 percent, but revenues are 24 percent — the widest spending/taxing gulf in any major economy.’

    Mark Steyn

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    December 31, 2012 7:00 pm

    What’s this fiscal cliff?

    That’s the “foundation” data. egg … but

    … the Republicans (read Liberals) want to reduce spending on “welfare” projects (and in detail welfare payments are a sad tale in the USA) … but refuse any increase in tax for those earning over $400,000 …

    The Democrats (read Labor) want to continue with welfare projects and increase taxes on anyone earning over $400,000 …

    Remember how the Republicans blocked health care for the poor and needy … and mooted reduced tax for those who had health insurance … the USA (land of opportunity and plenty) has the worst health system in the WORLD!

  86. el gordo permalink
    December 31, 2012 7:16 pm

    It must be a hell of a place to live, but I’ll reserve further comment until I hear from Sparta.

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 31, 2012 7:32 pm

    Happy New Year to all!!… including lurkers, adversaries and self-excluded nongs.

    I’m off for an overdose of red.

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    January 1, 2013 7:59 pm

    What an incompetent nincompoop!

    A MINISTER’S answer that she could live on the dole has been marked as “inaudible” in the official transcript from her office, despite the crystal-clear video … A person living on the dole receives $246 a week.
    As a Cabinet Minister, Ms Macklin earns $6321 a week.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/i-could-live-on-the-dole-says-families-minister-jenny-macklin/story-fndo4dzn-1226546184170

  89. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    January 1, 2013 9:48 pm

    “TB Queensland PERMALINK
    December 28, 2012 6:59 pm
    … most people who actuallly earn a living are having a holiday.
    Wish I could …
    Definition: Retirement … work without pay or holidays …”

    Perhaps you should not have been so self confident to think you could retire sooooo early

    All we hear now is how tough you find it

    Get me a violin

  90. el gordo permalink
    January 1, 2013 9:49 pm

    Sack Macklin.

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    January 1, 2013 10:26 pm

    All we hear now is how tough you find it

    You really are a Wally, Wally, as I’ve pointed out before you just don’t get sarcasm, satire or just ordinary humour …

    … if I got you a violin all you would do … is look for the notes inside it …

    I can assure you early retirement was one of my better life choices … of course the new car helps … 🙄 😛

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Sack Macklin.

    Did I forget to say … “arrogant”?

    And wot dick decided to put “inaudible” on the transcript … thick as two planks … (I recorded The Plank the other night – looking forward to the “experiment in slapstick” when I show my younger g/kids tomorrow … will it last longer than 30 seconds??

  92. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    January 1, 2013 10:27 pm

    Mackin is an idiot

    I agree Eg

    By the way I stumbled upon a great app called “flipboard”

    Fantastic on iPads and I suppose other tablets .

    Awesome reading for news and magazine type articles from around the world.

  93. el gordo permalink
    January 2, 2013 6:25 am

    In this straw poll 84% said they couldn’t live on $246 a week.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/the-great-vanishing-act-macklins-dole-comment-disappears-20130101-2c3yw.html#poll

    After falling into a black hole recently I went cap in hand to Centrelink and they doubled my pension to $200 a week.

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 2, 2013 8:50 am

    Jenny Mackin is a disgrace, so is the hack who tried to conceal her incompetence.

    What use is this government?

    What is the area of their policy success?

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    January 2, 2013 10:32 am

    After falling into a black hole recently I went cap in hand to Centrelink and they doubled my pension to $200 a week.

    Be careful, egg, … Wally et al, will tell you that’s only for Marxists …

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 2, 2013 12:21 pm

    I pay more in tax than I ever thought I would earn, and I really don’t object. Though like anyone, if I had the choice, I’d prefer to pay less.

    I don’t object to paying to support pensions, unemployment benefits, education…

    But I do object to paying tax, which is then spent on stuff like home insulation, then more tax to have the home insulation removed. I’m not appreciate of having my taxes spent on things like performing arts centres for schools that charge $20,000 a year in fees.

    I also object to big spending on imitation European arts, when indigenous artists get about zilch.

    It’s the credibility and shocking waste of the tax revenue that bugs me.

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    January 2, 2013 1:02 pm

    It’s the credibility and shocking waste of the tax revenue that bugs me.

    And the hypocrisy … we are talking about all politicians and councillors here, aren’t we?

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    January 2, 2013 1:20 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/greens-deputy-leader-adam-bandt-to-live-on-dole-for-a-week/story-fncynjr2-1226546531719

    Wasn’t this stunt done once before? Fuckwits™ all …

    Proves nothing, gains nothing for those living on the dole … but Brandt gets his ugly face in the news … hypocrite …

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    BTW, ToM, while I’m all for helping our Aboriginal citizens … dot paintings are becoming a bit boring for me … but then the price paid for Blue Poles still has me shaking my head …

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    January 2, 2013 1:27 pm

    West Australian Greens Senator Rachel Siewert spent a week living off the allowance last year and said she found it impossible.

    As I thought …

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    January 2, 2013 1:31 pm

    Come in suckers …

    Opposition Families spokesman Jamie Briggs said the government should focus on balancing its own books rather than lecturing single mothers.

    “After five years of delivering record debt and deficits, the last thing the Gillard Labor Government should be doing is lecturing single mums on how to live within their means,” Mr Briggs said in a statement.

    “The Gillard Labor government is incompetent and untrustworthy – it can’t even be trusted to get a ministerial transcript right.

    “Plainly, it would be tough to live on the dole but the question to be answered today is why did Minister Macklin try to hide her answer?”

    If only we could trust another bunch to do it ant better …

    ——————————————-

    oh, what a tangled web we weave – when first we practice to decieve …

    The sensitivity of Ms Macklin’s dole remark became clear when a ministerial transcript issued just hours after yesterday’s media conference described as “inaudible” the reporter’s question and the crucial first part of Ms Macklin’s reply.

    Last night, her office claimed its recording had been affected by a revving car …

    A spokeswoman for Ms Macklin yesterday accepted full responsibility for the transcript omission.

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 2, 2013 1:57 pm

    Bandt needs to start with the $246 then-

    • Make sure his cupboard, fridge and car are all empty
    • Put aside 2% of his annual rent or mortgage payment and rates
    • 2% of his car registration
    • 2% of his home and vehicle insurance
    • 2% of any school fees
    • Buy a weekly public transport ticket

    …then see how hungry he’s going to get over the course of the week.

    Macklin might try this too.

  102. el gordo permalink
    January 2, 2013 3:58 pm

    Starting from scratch, vegetable curries are affordable and keep me slim.

  103. el gordo permalink
    January 2, 2013 4:19 pm

    Reb will be back in the office by the end of the week, a changed man.

    I await his first post with breathless anticipation.

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    January 2, 2013 4:24 pm

    … The Minister, and I, once lived off army ration packs for two weeks … so we could pay our electricity and rates bill and the HP on the fridge … the only time I was out of work I mowed over our last dollar … still got it …

    If you’ve really been “there”, playing at it for week only makes real people angry …

  105. el gordo permalink
    January 2, 2013 4:40 pm

    Yeah…

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    January 2, 2013 5:42 pm

    … yeah, yeah,yeah …

  107. January 2, 2013 5:47 pm

    At Uni in the early 90’s, living on spit…we used to make $4 chips last for three days & keep reheating a few at a time. A bottle of Black & Gold tomato sauce & the nutritional requirements were complete!
    Of course, this was so that we had enough ca$h over, after paying bills, that we could afford a few 12ltr casks.

    Happy Days… 😯

  108. January 2, 2013 5:52 pm

    Yeah, yeah, yeah………Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

  109. January 2, 2013 5:53 pm

    WTF, that was NOT the vid I posted!

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    January 2, 2013 7:33 pm

    Yeah, yeah …

  111. reb of Penang permalink
    January 2, 2013 8:01 pm

    “Reb will be back in the office by the end of the week, a changed man.”

    Indeed I shall..

    Look out….!!

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    January 2, 2013 8:19 pm

    Look out….!!

    LOL! Like the sunglasses …

  113. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    January 2, 2013 10:39 pm

    “I pay more in tax than I ever thought I would earn, and I really don’t object. Though like anyone, if I had the choice, I’d prefer to pay less.”

    I have that ” preference ” this financial year and on current trend won’t be paying any thanks to Wayne Swan.

    Thanks Wayne for raising the tthreshold to $20k. That means $40k for 2 of us plus $25k each in super ie $50k

    Oh look $90k and sofar no tax

    Thanks for the accelerated I pay more in tax than I ever thought I would earn, and I really don’t object. Though like anyone, if I had the choice, I’d prefer to pay less.

    Wayne that’s another $10k goe off the income. Thanks for 2 cars Wayne that’s another $30k in expenses

    And thanks for the negative gearing on our 3 investment properties one of which we bought 2 months ago and are renting out before we move in in 8 years time after Wayne has paid for it.

    And finally thanks for the negative gearing on our share portfolio .

    That sucks up the rest

    Thanks Wayne

  114. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    January 2, 2013 10:42 pm

    Accelerated depreciation got deleted somehow from above post and toms comment was repeated.

  115. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    January 2, 2013 10:45 pm

    And thanks for allowing me to prepay so many expenses on 30 June that you have already been told to put a stop to.

    That’s another $65k at current estimates

    Thanks Wayne.

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 3, 2013 10:25 am

    FAMILIES Minister Jenny Macklin’s office is declining to hand over its press conference recording on which an incomplete transcript was based, omitting her claim she could survive on the dole.

    After Ms Macklin stated she could live on the benefit – which is about $35 a day – her office issued a transcript to the media that left out the journalist’s question and the relevant part of the minister’s answer.

    What a pathetic loser Macklin is. Deceitful spin about a government policy that specifically and deliberately reduced the income and living standards of tens of thousands of people.

    The deviousness of this government is endemic, it starts at the top and pollutes the entire government.

    Personally, I’m a little tired of people saying politics is all about policy. That’s crap.

    Politics is all about building public confidence in public institutions, and on that yardstick, this government is a dismal failure.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/office-withholds-recording-20130102-2c5mv.html#ixzz2Graul1Ok

  117. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 3, 2013 11:30 am

    “…The deviousness of this government is endemic, it starts at the top and pollutes the entire government. ”

    The fact that they wont release their own recording is quite damniing of the lie originally told that her reply was “inaudible”.

    It was anything but “inaudible”

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    January 3, 2013 11:38 am

    Politics is all about building public confidence in public institutions, and on that yardstick, this government is a dismal failure.

    I’m inclined to agree … Noddy Newman’s Lot are just as stupid … because the dams are now 90% full they’ve removed the water restrictions … according to at least one minister – so that people will use more water ie the government will get more money … can you see me shaking my head … el nino, anyone?

    After reading Wally’s gloating and then Macklin’s stupid statement … it’s difficult not to be cynical … the one law I really detest is negative gearing … the rich get richer and the poor pay for it!

    … politics really has been highjacked by the rich and Fuckwits™ …

  119. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 3, 2013 12:17 pm

    “After reading Wally’s gloating………….”

    Not “gloating”

    Just thanking Wayne

    The real good news is I have a close nephew who has saved up and taken a year off to hike around SE Asia.

    He will likely qualify for the full tax fre threshold so I might just gift him $1,000 in exchange for use of his tax free threshold this year. That’ll save me 30% (Company rate) x $20K = $6K less $1K gift.

    So another $5K saved

    Thanks Wayne

    Now I’m wondering about the girlfriend travelling with him ………………Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    January 3, 2013 12:30 pm

    Now I’m wondering about the girlfriend travelling with him ………………Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    You dirty old man! 😯

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 3, 2013 12:57 pm

    Heat wave over the next couple of days, people will flock to the beach. Many will drink too much and get into trouble beyond the break.

    Surf lifesavers will swim out and rescue them, they’ll be wearing ‘budgie smugglers’.

    At another beach, drunks will be hanging it on the lifesavers for wearing ‘budgie smugglers’.

  122. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 3, 2013 1:33 pm

    There’s a hidden message there I think ………………….?

  123. el gordo permalink
    January 3, 2013 2:18 pm

    Alcohol and water don’t mix.

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    January 3, 2013 2:18 pm

    ToM, doesn’t have “hidden” messages … but he does repeat the one’s he has, ad nauseum …

  125. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 3, 2013 2:37 pm

    The “hidden message’ is – the following groups use the term “budgie smugglers” as a form of disparagement –

    • Bogans who get drunk at the beach
    • People who probably can’t swim a lap of their local pool, let alone swim in the ocean
    • Latte drinking types who wouldn’t volunteer for any form of community service
    • ALP barrackers who can’t stand the notion that Abbott participates in a surf lifesaving club

  126. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 3, 2013 3:51 pm

    “Alcohol and water don’t mix.”

    Scotch & Ice anyone ?

  127. el gordo permalink
    January 3, 2013 4:49 pm

    Yum, I was given some Black Label for Xmas, a fancy small bottle. Nice thought, but a large Red Label would have been better…. under the circumstances.

  128. el gordo permalink
    January 3, 2013 4:58 pm

    No its ok, superior taste and smell…not to mention the euphoric state of mind after only a small glass.

  129. el gordo permalink
    January 3, 2013 5:18 pm

    Al Jazeera acquires Gore TV

    The irony burns.

  130. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 3, 2013 5:30 pm

    I can understand why people are sick of paying tax.

    What with the BER and Pink Batts, World Cup bids, NBN blowouts, SetTop Box fiasco, Boat People blowout, Internet Filter waste, Green Loans debacle.

    Then you have people who retire early from the workforce so they can sleep in until 11 in the morning and as soon as they can off they trot off down to their local Centrelink in their old Army uniform with their hand out. They should have worked longer and become fully self funded.

    That’s why I’ve decided to take a year off from paying any tax at all.

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    January 3, 2013 5:55 pm

    … but a large Red Label would have been better … you really must be joking … are your drains blocked or somefink?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … That’s why I’ve decided to take a year off from paying any tax at all.

    … another fkn hypocrite … (They should have worked longer and become fully self funded.) … your not the only one to utilise the system … yer, Wally …

    BTW, I paid much higher taxes between 1964 and 1992 than you ever will … to pay for my fkn pension, ya Wally … in 1992 I started my own business … now, when did compusory super come in again? And you must know that no government has ever been a friend to small business owners … although the tax laws for small business owner’s super were relaxed in 2005 – but, guess when we retired …

    It’s never as simple as it looks …

    … and no-one fussed much when my income went from $140 a WEEK to $80 a FORTNIGHT, for two years, when my jungle greens were nicely new and starched … (and I had two budding career paths buggered up)

    Some payback would be noice, occasionally … life’s like snakes and ladders, hey?

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    January 3, 2013 5:56 pm

    Fk!

    Bold was only on … “to pay for my fkn pension”

  133. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 3, 2013 6:20 pm

    “BTW, I paid much higher taxes between 1964 and 1992 than you ever will … ”

    Silly you then

    By the way…………….all that money was spent long ago. Its no excuse to retire early and now suck on the taxpayers teat when you could have been a fully funded retiree.

    Excuses excuses.

    That’s the reason for my Tax Vacation.

    Currently checking brochures on some good International Tax Conferences in the more stressful areas of the World.

    No not New York or London or Paris……………………….

    Other joints like Palm Beach Florida, Puerto Rico and the Canary Islands. The real stress capitals of the World .The personal assistant might need to come along as well.

    Thanks Wayne

  134. January 3, 2013 6:37 pm

    “Alcohol and water don’t mix.”

    Tumbler full of 15yo Dimple on ice…

    just sayin’

  135. el gordo permalink
    January 3, 2013 8:18 pm

    Johnny Walker is luvly. Had a couple of Italian beer on Xmas Eve and woke up the next morning dry retching.

    Can’t talk now, off to eat cake.

  136. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    January 3, 2013 10:05 pm

    Italian Beer ?

    An imported beer ?

    That’s an absolute disgrace

    All I can afford is Aussie James Squire

  137. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 4, 2013 1:31 pm

    Boo !

  138. el gordo permalink
    January 4, 2013 2:58 pm

    bump

  139. el gordo permalink
    January 4, 2013 3:27 pm

    ‘An imported beer ?’

    Peroni …Nastro Azzurro

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2013 7:36 pm

    A new global survey has ranked Australia the second best country to be born in, in 2013, only behind the chocolate-loving, watch-making Switzerland.

    Essentially a ”lottery of life” league table, the index found babies born in landlocked Switzerland the ”luckiest”, narrowly ahead of Australia, Norway, Sweden and Denmark.

    Eighty countries were ranked against 11 statistical indicators from national wealth, life expectancy, crime rates, weather, family ties and political freedom to what today’s newborns can hope to earn in 2030 to compile a where-to-be-born index.

    WEATHER! But in fairness – low crime rates in Switzerland would stuff our score in weather … you can’t appreciate the weather if some dick has stabbed you invading your hom, or shot you because they didn’t like the way you drove …

    … then again some people prefer freezing their balls off for three months rather than frying …

    … I guess its personal choice …

  141. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    January 4, 2013 11:24 pm

    Mmmmmmmmmmm……..

    Switzerland ya reckon

    The joint was only set up to make chocolate , watches, anonymous bank accounts, cows with bells around their necks, tax evaders. Gorgeous women and some silly looking woman singing about The Hills Are Alive with the Von Crap Family.

    I like their attitude to tax

    But since I don’t pay any this year I won’t migrate this year.

    And they import beer from Italy which I hear makes one dry retch

    Does Wayne brew italian beer now ?

  142. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2013 8:07 am

    Fairfax today has an article discussing 10 issues that will decide the election.

    Maybe, but I think people will vote for the politicians they believe they can trust, regardless of the policies they announce.

  143. January 5, 2013 8:48 am

    😯

  144. el gordo permalink
    January 5, 2013 11:05 am

    Putin’s anti-corruption push is odd behaviour, yet understandable.

    ‘Given that Putin is widely considered immensely corrupt and that he has tolerated ballooning corruption for years, it is somewhat surprising that he himself has started this campaign.

    ‘Some argue corruption has reached a point at which the state no longer can be managed. Others suspect Putin has lost control and that his top aides are pursuing personal vendettas. His own words suggest that he is planning a purge of the government.

    ‘The families of thousands of top officials and businessmen are already abroad and many senior people are preparing their own departure.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/putin-loses-grip-but-forlorn-russians-see-no-alternative-20130104-2c8sh.html#ixzz2H3RZKwuA

  145. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2013 2:44 pm

    Maybe, but I think people will vote for the politicians they believe they can trust, regardless of the policies they announce.

    Well that would mean a 100% informal vote, just turn up and get your name crossed off, because there is no-one in australian politics who can be trusted to serve the needs and wishes of the public in a system of complete political enslavement to neoliberal corporocracy.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/campbell-hanging-chads-newmans-excellent-adventure/

    …USUALLY, when the tories are in trouble, they change the rules of the game — or that’s what they do in Australia anyway…

  146. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2013 2:49 pm

    Living on Bullshit Mountain

  147. el gordo permalink
    January 6, 2013 7:45 am

    ‘Behind the healthy and wealthy facade of the northern beaches lies a secret problem: alcohol.

    ‘For the second year in a row, a Fairfax Media analysis of health statistics has found residents of some of the northern suburbs are the healthiest when it comes to everything but alcohol use.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/data-point/citys-poor-get-sick-the-rich-get-drunk-20130105-2c9uj.html#ixzz2H8UeVqxd

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 6, 2013 10:53 am

    Yes TB, Australia is a great place to be born. Melbourne, the most livable city, and nearby some of the best surfing in the world!

    What a life. It’s just a pity we have a treasurer with such determination to screw up everything.
    =========
    AO, I think it would be great to have a huge informal vote.

    It might encourage more people like Wilkie and Xenephon, but hopefully not more like Oakeshott and Windsor.

    I happened to be in Port Macquarie and Coffs Harbour recently.

    The sentiment against Oakeshott continues to reflect common sense- that is, people loathe him. But for some reason the attitude towards Windsor was more positive. Maybe it’s because he isn’t as stupid.

  149. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 6, 2013 2:25 pm

    This article was copied form The Daily Derp on 6 January, 2013 at 02:40. You can read the original article here: http://thedailyderp.net/2013/01/06/peta-credlin-and-the-streisand-effect/

    Peta Credlin And The Streisand Effect

    …So Australian voters, do your part and help Peta fulfill her ambition of becoming a mother by making sure her boss gets utterly wiped out at this year’s election.

    She’ll thank you all for it…

    https://twitter.com/MattDonovanAU/status/287720870032601089

    @eddietqldRT @daveyk317: What a load of crap: where is the analysis of #LNPConspiracy #AshbyGate ? Instead we get this: http://t.co/lPcwUCkM what …

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    January 6, 2013 6:06 pm

    “… common sense …”

    “commonsense” ain’t so common …

    Didn’t we have a discussion about that stupid word years ago … people can only rely on learned behaviour and knowledge … you don’t pop out at the beginning with, “common-sense” … don’t exist, ser …

  151. el gordo permalink
    January 6, 2013 9:12 pm

    I certainly stopped using the word once it was pointed out to me.

  152. el gordo permalink
    January 7, 2013 6:51 am

    ‘GOOD looks matter for men – far more than previously believed.

    ‘The first Australian study of the financial return for physical attractiveness finds it is worth an astounding $32,150 in annual salary, with men of above-average looks typically commanding $81,750 compared with $49,600 for men with below-average looks.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/good-looks-bring-a-handsome-return–32000-a-year-20130106-2cb65.html#ixzz2HE6yalfB

  153. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2013 10:15 am

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/broadcast/abc-fights-to-keep-top-staff-pay-secret/story-fna045gd-1226548580475

    ”THE ABC could be forced to disclose details of the pay packets of its top broadcasters and producers at programs such as Media Watch, Four Corners and Mornings with Jon Faine after it lost two appeals to block access to the information.
    The national broadcaster received $1 billion in government funding in the last financial year and spent $486 million on wages and superannuation.
    A further $25m went to “consultants and contractors”.
    But the ABC does not want to provide a breakdown of who its biggest earners are.
    According to the ABC’s annual report for the 2012 financial year, 401 employees earned more than $150,000 each – an increase from 312 the previous year. The ABC employs the equivalent of 4603 full-time employees.”

    Incredible! About 1 in 10 people in the ABC earn over $150K. The proportion earning this has risen by almost a third.

    What is it about the public sector that gets that putting their snout in the (taxpayer funded) trough?

    What possible reason is there that the expenditure should be withheld from the public? Why shouldn’t it be fully disclosed?

    The public sector just leaks cash; the public then has to keep topping it up.

    The best option is to contract out the ABC, no need to sell it. Broadcasting contractors would provide a far better and more efficient service.

  154. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2013 12:24 pm

    Has the ABC upset the Liberals again?

    Is there something wrong with ABC staff earning what seems to be a not unusual professional male wage these days? Wonder how much andy bolt, dennis shenanigan and similar private media employees earn? somehow I think it would be considerably more.

    The best option is to contract out the ABC, no need to sell it. Broadcasting contractors would provide a far better and more efficient service.

    Why would that be the best option? Private enterprise does not always provide services better or cheaper.

    I’m so tired of the neoliberal mantra of privatise and control everything we see hear and read and do in this country, there’s plenty of outlets for that already. This idea that the public should be constantly drip fed neoliberal inspired propaganda and the usual wealthy elite must be able to rip people off and profiteer from the good name and work of others.

    Some of us think that the ABC is the only media of any quality in the country. It’s already been bastardised to a shadow of its former self by the the ltdnews agenda, the IPA clowns and fact balanced with rubbish reporting. Why would you want to reduce it to the billionaire funded crap media such as we get on free to air and fox now.

  155. el gordo permalink
    January 7, 2013 12:36 pm

    ‘The best option is to contract out the ABC, no need to sell it. Broadcasting contractors would provide a far better and more efficient service.’

    Agreed.

  156. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2013 12:45 pm

    ‘The best option is to contract out the ABC, no need to sell it. Broadcasting contractors would provide a far better and more efficient service.’

    bullshit, if they could, we would be seeing it already – and we don’t.

  157. January 7, 2013 1:38 pm

    Hey Trashers, Happy New Year,
    I hope you are all had a happy and safe new year and christmas.
    Here is something to think about during 2013.
    http://730reportland.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/project-distortion/

  158. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2013 1:46 pm

    The ABC isn’t an organisation that struggles to recruit people. There is no need for it to pay a premium, but it’s paying 1 in 10 over $150,000.

    There is no hardship in working at the ABC. It’s an example of public sector malaise.

    Break it up into a dozen contracts – let production and media companies bid for some radio slots, news & current affairs, some drama production etc. Have the ABC board oversee the compliance of the service providers/contractors with the ABC charter. They can run the rebidding of the contracts every few years.

    There’s no doubt that we’d get a better, more balanced product at a lower cost.

    The ABC is tired and costly, it is self interested, introspective. I’m not in favour of selling it, but it needs to be kicked in the a**e.

    Contestability is a good way to do it.

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2013 2:56 pm

    The ABC is tired and costly, it is self interested, introspective. I’m not in favour of selling it, but it needs to be kicked in the a**e.

    You could then have a good look at the ADF! Why not Parliament itself … simply engage specialist consultants in ministerial roles and people with social management qualifications in the backbench seats … no need for elections and the consultants would simply hire organisations or individuals to get things done …

    Great idea, ToM, in fact it could work with schools, beautifully … it would mean that every child got a private school education! Bloody brilliant!

  160. el gordo permalink
    January 7, 2013 3:00 pm

    Tom’s correct, maintain the structure and ‘break it up into a dozen contracts’.

    The Charter is in place, it will be a better ABC and Mark Latham won’t be getting his axe.

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2013 3:37 pm

    “specialist consultants in ministerial roles”

    To a degree this is how the US system operates, the president chooses the executive and it is then approved by Congress.

    I didn’t used to like the US system, but I’ve become a convert. The Westminster System is tired and limits the gene pool to time serving hacks, sprinkled with a few celebrities. The US system would produce far better political leaders in this country. It would produce a contest between Turnbull & Rudd, people like Peter Beatty or even Paul Keating could be appointed to a cabinet post.

    Our system of government is tired and introspective, it needs a kick up the a**e.

    ————-
    But it is the ABC that needs the knife, and putting out a series of contracts for services, where contractors have to specifically deliver in accordance with the charter would provide balance.

  162. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 7, 2013 3:40 pm

    ‘For the second year in a row, a Fairfax Media analysis of health statistics has found residents of some of the northern suburbs are the healthiest when it comes to everything but alcohol use.’

    Now that concerned me so much I had to reach for the brandy bottle to cope with the shock

  163. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 7, 2013 3:42 pm

    “The Charter is in place, it will be a better ABC and Mark Latham won’t be getting his axe.”

    Just sell the brand name”ABC”

    No one wants its lazy overpaid employees.

  164. el gordo permalink
    January 7, 2013 4:41 pm

    ‘Just sell the brand name”ABC”

    It is a good brand, but if you intend selling the whole box and dice…only the Chinese could afford it.

  165. el gordo permalink
    January 7, 2013 4:42 pm

    My business partner once worked at Gore Hill and I gained the distinct impression that it was a sheltered workshop.

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2013 5:13 pm

    This’ll bring all you privateers down to earth!

  167. el gordo permalink
    January 7, 2013 5:17 pm

    The Australian Brainwashing Corporation is simply beyond the pale, I’m furious. Where’s Latham?

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4455022.html

  168. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2013 6:13 pm

    I didn’t used to like the US system, but I’ve become a convert.

    Since rubbing shoulders with all those tea party imports?

    How to ruin a successful workplace or business:

    Bring in an over paid, over blown and self important consultant who will set themselves up in an isolated ivory tower or work from home without even bothering to get out of their pyjamas. They will then reckon they know how any workplace should operate…and it’s always the same ruthless but uninspired and unimaginative strategy. Budget cuts through the coalface. Get rid of most of the workforce, make everyone else work harder and faster with less. They are then happiest when the workplace is a miserable cesspit full of stressed out people bitching all day [the actual workers, not management who seem to have nothing to do but sit in their offices and network, having numerous coffee/lunch breaks with very little productivity achieved and blind/deaf to all rumblings]. The previously productive [and quite happy workers] are soon overworked and overstressed, hate the atmosphere of the place and get out as soon as they can.

    Result = toxic workplace full of toxic management who can’t and won’t manage [too risky, they think management is simply kiss up and kick down], can’t and won’t work [that’s for others, not them] they do backstab, lie and take the glory for the achievements of their underlings. They then wonder why there are unhappy clients who are paying for a pathetic service from don’t care staff [must be the lazy workers!].

    The ABC has already been privatised, corrupted and commercialised by stealth. Haven’t you noticed the IPA mobsters, the murdoch megaphones and moonlighters, ex liberal mouthpieces throughout and the farcical Q & A / the Drum shows? The board should be personally held responsible for the brand damage and destruction.

    To a degree this is how the US system operates, the president chooses the executive and it is then approved by Congress.

    At least the executive are publicly accountable for criminal acts and wrongdoing whilst in office [until getting a useful presidential pardon when he leaves office] unlike here where staffers wield enormous power with impunity.

  169. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 7, 2013 6:13 pm

    “…only the Chinese could afford it.”

    The Chinese can have the “Red” bits. There are plenty of those

  170. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 7, 2013 6:17 pm

    As we enter a new year the world is sadly marked by hotbeds of tension and conflict caused by growing instances of inequality between rich and poor, by the prevalence of a selfish and individualistic mindset which also finds expression in an unregulated financial capitalism, as well as by various forms of terrorism and crime.

  171. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2013 6:31 pm

    Yes, the wonderful capitalist system and privatisation:

    White Paper on Privatization

    http://www.corporations.org/privatization.html

    Governments are broke because public services and tax dollars have been mismanaged:

    One important reason governments have been struggling with deficits during the past few years is that they have lost major sources of revenue. One important source of lost revenues has been ever lower tax rates on those who earn the most and on corporations…
    …Nowadays, corporations think they have the right to demand huge subsidies to remain in or come to a city, county, or state. Governments feel they have no choice but to pay when corporations threaten to move if they aren’t given subsidies. The amounts of tax dollars being handed over to corporations is no trivial sum…

    Government spending is full of incompetence, waste and fraud. Privatizing would eliminate this problem:

    First, this argument assumes that the private sector is free from these problems. Ask whether this belief is based on a private sector which is uniquely competent, thrifty, and honest or one that has managed to escape scrutiny. If the same standards of judgment were used, it is obvious that the private sector does not escape problems of waste and fraud. The past decade has seen many corporate leaders sent off to prison for corruption and misusing their positions…

    …Yes, there are a few well-known examples of government overspending…
    …These examples are notorious but do not paint an accurate picture of government spending. In any case, the public sector has a long way to go to catch up with the private sector in terms of misused funds…

    Market forces and competition ensure that the private sector delivers a higher quality service at a lower cost than the public sector:

    First, all of us over the last 15 years have had a chance to see the impact relying on market forces have. These are the forces which have led to the devastation of our cities and the failure of the S&Ls. Given their performance, we can’t assume their results are always benign…

    …It’s a popular myth that the private sector can feed multitudes with a few loaves and fish. Simple logic should tell us it’s impossible for the private sector to deliver the same service for less and make a profit as well. In fact, there is less of miracles done with loaves and fish and more of magic acts done with smoke and mirrors.
    Most of seem to forget that private companies owe a legal responsibility to make a profit for their investors. Even if they are providing a service to the public they only are doing it as a way to make money for their investors. This means that when a public service is privatized, there is you have to subtract the investors’ profit from the money available to provide the service. 2 plus 2 will still be 4 whether or not it’s the private or public sector that does the addition. Given this simple math, how can a private company pay a profit and still provide the same level of service and at less cost than the public sector?

    The answer is that most often it isn’t happening. Either it will provide a different service or it will provide the service in a way that makes us uncomfortable or it is given subsidies of public money or services that are not counted in the total of amounts spent…

  172. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 7, 2013 6:42 pm

    As we enter a new year the world is sadly marked by hotbeds of tension and conflict caused by growing instances of inequality between rich and poor, by the prevalence of a selfish and individualistic mindset which also finds expression in an unregulated financial capitalism, as well as by various forms of terrorism and crime.

    Sounds like a good description of ‘teh market’, and libertarian/neoliberal belief.

    As long as they can escape to their compounds razor wired, gated communities, panic room and underground survival shelters 😉

    Time to storm the barricades!

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2013 7:40 pm

    As we enter a new year the world is sadly marked by hotbeds of tension and conflict caused by growing instances of inequality between rich and poor, by the prevalence of a selfish and individualistic mindset which also finds expression in an unregulated financial capitalism, as well as by various forms of terrorism and crime.

    I was going to complement you on that post, Wally …

    But then realised that you have never been that articulate … and that you probably disagree with the comment … I just shook my head …

    I’ll now read KL’s post – longer … but I suspect makes more sense …

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2013 7:45 pm

    From KL’s post …

    Most of seem to forget that private companies owe a legal responsibility to make a profit for their investors.

    The MAIN reason power costs has been increasing exponentially … the “infrastructure” maintenance argument doesn’t cut it!

  175. el gordo permalink
    January 7, 2013 8:18 pm

    The Asian Tigers have dumped the Euro, which dashes their hopes of one day toppling the US dollar.

    Meanwhile, China is chasing after the thorium dream… safe nuclear power.

  176. January 7, 2013 9:15 pm

    ”contractors would provide a far better and more efficient service.”

    ahh yes, private media is soooo profitable 10, 9, Fairfoxed, teh-australian

    nice to find some right wing derp to brighten my day

  177. el gordo permalink
    January 7, 2013 9:35 pm

    Nine is profitable, its only the financiers at the top who have foolishly paid too much.

    China is buying media assets in Africa at a rapid pace and they have expansion plans for the US as well. There is resistance in the US because the Chinese are so corrupt… clamping down on freedom of the press at home.

    If the Chinese can’t have the ABC they could buy Nine for a song.

  178. Truly Evil Walrus @ Palm Bitch permalink
    January 7, 2013 9:54 pm

    “Sounds like a good description of ‘teh market’, and libertarian/neoliberal belief.”

    “I was going to complement you on that post, Wally …”

    I just wanted a few of you to agree with Pope Benedict .

    It was extracted from his NYE address.

    And yes I disagree with him

  179. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2013 10:10 pm

    I just wanted a few of you to agree with Pope Benedict .

    It was extracted from his NYE address.

    And yes I disagree with him

    Christmas was last month, Wally, hohohohohohohohohoho!

    How could anyone so rich and famous as you not be afollower of Vatican …

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    January 7, 2013 10:21 pm

    BANKS MAKE FOOLS OF REGULATORS AGAIN

    And So It Continues

    Round
    Like a circle in a spiral
    Like a wheel within a wheel
    Never ending or beginning
    On an ever spinning reel
    Like a snowball down a mountain
    Or a carnival balloon
    Like a carousel that’s turning
    Running rings around the moon

    Regulators ease key bank rule to spur credit

    (Reuters) – Global regulators gave banks four more years and greater flexibility on Sunday to build up cash buffers so they can use some of their reserves to help struggling economies grow.

    The pull-back from a draconian earlier draft of new global bank liquidity rules, which aim to help prevent another financial crisis, went further than banks had expected by allowing them a broader range of eligible assets.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/01/07/uk-banks-regulation-liquidity-idUKBRE9050A820130107

    When will they ever learn …

  181. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 7, 2013 10:39 pm

    How many large organisations, employing it’s workforce in capital cities, ie not in hardship locations, pay 1 in 10 over $150k pa?

    It’s a disgrace. The ABC is a self interested cobal, largely unaccountable.

    I agree with AO, storm the barricades…and start at the ABC.

  182. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2013 1:30 am

    Andrew Elder agrees with you on contractors tomM!

    Andrew Elder5/1/13 7:51 PM
    I reckon they should cut the press gallery by at least 90%, and hand much of the reporting to policy specialists. That said, journalists will have to decide whether credibility will save them or whether they just wait for the PM to fall over or something…

    How many $150, 000 earners would be in that useless lot tomM?

    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com/2013/01/reasons-to-be-cheerful-part-2013.html?showComment=1357375869740#c4694030832793235105

  183. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 8, 2013 9:00 am

    From the “Allah the Most Merciful Files”

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/raped-girl-15-faces-flogging-for-sex-20130108-2cdd2.html

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/saudi-bride-15-escapes-from-husband-90-20130108-2cdff.html

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/mother-kills-son-who-failed-to-learn-koran-20130108-2cdfm.html

    And yet the Left embrace radical Islam and despise the Christian and Jewish faiths.

    You lot make me laugh.

  184. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 8, 2013 9:01 am

    “How many $150, 000 earners would be in that useless lot tomM?”

    Kitty misses or more likely chooses to ignore the point.

    The taxpayer is not paying for non ABC journalists

  185. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 8, 2013 9:27 am

    I do hope this creature gets the full 10 year jail sentence that is available in any prosecution by ASIC.

    He needs to be made an example of just as an inside trader is from time to time.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/rogue-trader-hoax-triggers-314m-fall-20130107-2cd11.html

  186. el gordo permalink
    January 8, 2013 10:24 am

    Mooslims still have a Medieval way of thinking about women.

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    January 8, 2013 1:12 pm

    And yet the Left embrace radical Islam and despise the Christian and Jewish faiths

    What a crock – this Leftie doesn’t support any adult fiction believers …

    He needs to be made an example of just as an inside trader is from time to time.

    Made a similar comment @ news.com.au … fraud if ever there was …

  188. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2013 3:39 pm

    Mooslims still have a Medieval way of thinking about women.

    much like catholics and fundy christians

    All religions have a medieval way of thinking about women.

    The taxpayer is not paying for non ABC journalists

    No subsidies, no government legislation to protect interests?

    Then I expect that only ABC journalists should be admitted to the Canberra Press Gallery then, wouldn’t want commercial interests to be sucking off that taxpayer funded teat!
    And why are all those IPA, Newsltd, ex LNP pollies [already superannuated and highly paid as lobbyists] people doing on the ABC then, if it’s not the taxpayer subsidising private enterprise?

    Since newsltd is the political propaganda wing of the Coalition, I would suggest that taxpayer $ are heavily invested 🙂

  189. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2013 3:47 pm

    “…I do hope this creature gets the full 10 year jail sentence that is available in any prosecution by ASIC….”

    “…Made a similar comment @ news.com.au … fraud if ever there was …”

    TDT is like the funny pages today, or is it just me?

    Ever heard that people shouldn’t believe everything they see on the internet?

    It’s like there’s a double standard or something – whenever a consumer gets ripped off, all they get in recompense is glib “buyer beware” statements and the onus on self to research and check up about products.

  190. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 8, 2013 4:25 pm

    “Ever heard that people shouldn’t believe everything they see on the internet?”

    So you believe its quite OK to forge a letter from the ANZ Bank and pass it off as a legitimate document.

    You have a very strange belief system.

  191. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 8, 2013 4:28 pm

    “……..whenever a consumer gets ripped off, all they get in recompense is glib “buyer beware” statements and the onus on self to research and check up about products.”

    So if you get ripped off by an overseas or domestic shopping website its someone elses fault is it ?

  192. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 8, 2013 5:27 pm

    No, not if it’s their genuine website 2DT.

    If it’s a fake site though – do people get compensated from the nigerian and other scammers?
    I know a work colleague who foolishly paid a ‘techie’ some money [via credit card] to ‘fix’ her computer problem after he had hacked into it. She didn’t get any compensation. Then she had to pay a real tech company to wipe her hard drive and start again. Also had to get new credit/bank cards as the guy had accessed all her personal info.

  193. el gordo permalink
    January 8, 2013 6:27 pm

    ‘TDT is like the funny pages today, or is it just me?’

    The old spark is coming back.

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