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Coalition in Crisis as Case against Peter Slipper Crumbles!

December 12, 2012
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James Ashby: Not a happy camper

  • Ashby harassment case thrown out of court!
  • Ashby blames “conspiracy” determined to ruin him…!!
  • Libs in crisis as Govt hints at public investigation…!!

The Coalition is today enduring yet another Godwin Gretch moment with the Federal Court today tossing the sexual harassment case launched against former speaker Peter Slipper out of court.

Judge Rares ordered that the application by plaintiff Mr James Ashby contained “scandalous” allegations that would be “manifestly unfair” to Mr Slipper and that some of the claims were done to “injure” his reputation.

“Mr Ashby’s predominant purpose in bringing the proceedings was not a proper one,” Judge Rares said.

“A party cannot be allowed to misuse the court’s process by including scandalous and damaging allegations.”

“I have reached the conclusion that Mr Ashby’s predominant purpose for bringing these proceedings was to pursue a political attack against Mr Slipper.”

Judge Rares found that Ashby secretly began actively working against Mr Slipper while remaining employed.

He found that Ashby acted in combination with fellow staffer Karen Doane and the former federal minister Mal Brough, and now the Liberal National Party candidate for Slipper’s seat of Fisher, to “advance the interests of the LNP and Mr Brough”.

“I have reached the firm conclusion that Mr Ashby’s predominant purpose for bringing these proceedings was to pursue a political attack against Mr Slipper and not to vindicate any legal claim he may have,” Rares said.

Mr Ashby began planning the attack at least by the beginning of February 2012.

“To allow these proceedings to remain in the court would bring the administration of justice into disrepute among right-thinking people and would be manifestly unfair to Mr Slipper.”

Read the full judgement here.

Mr Ashby, who has been ordered to pay Mr Slipper’s legal costs, said today he intended to appeal the judgement and told reporters that there had been a “determined campaign” to hurt to him and his family.

“We first filed my sexual harassment claim against Mr Slipper back on April 20. That’s almost eight months ago,” Mr Ashby told reporters in Sydney.

“And since that date no evidence at all has been heard of my substantive complaint against the former Speaker, that he sexually harassed me” he said.

“There has been a determined campaign to try and prevent the substantive allegations being heard and judged in open court, and to put me to the maximum cost of pursuing justice.”

However, Mr Ashby’s lawyer, Michael Harmer later released a statement saying “Neither myself, nor this firm, are part of any conspiracy.”

The government is currently considering a public investigation into the role of the Coalition in assisting Mr Ashby with his case against Peter Slipper, and specifically Mal Brough, George Brandis, Christopher Pyne and Tony Abbott.

Both Mal Brough and Christopher Pyne have been less than honest about their contact with James Ashby in the past.

The Coalition’s very own Keystone Cop Senator George Brandis said it was inappropriate for Nicole Roxon to comment on a case that was “before the courts” while commenting on a case that was before the courts.

 

 

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  1. December 12, 2012 2:31 pm

    This is outrageous!

    Some old fart sends a dirty-worded text message to a workmate who gets the shits about it, and lets everyone know he received a dirty message, and we can’t work up the gumption to throw him in jail for 40 years and murder his children and stone his dog to death by way of justice?

    Oh, the shame. Oh, cry my beloved country, for we are a broken country and we are all going to die.

    What a load of fucking crap about fuck-all.

  2. Tom R permalink
    December 12, 2012 2:55 pm

    Interesting that some get all worked up about some dirty text messages in a private conversation, but appear to be unfazed by an abuse of process aimed to remove someone from the highest parliamentary office in Australia.

    Prudes aint what they used to be

  3. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2012 3:07 pm

    I’ll reply to AO here…

    AO – ” The subordinate was sending sexually suggestive texts to a trusting boss, a case of entrapment. Ashby was playing Slipper, reeling him in, creating a case that was planned in advance. Slipper is guilty of thinking Ashby was a trusted friend.

    Slipper held a powerful position. He was the most senior person in the house of Representatives, plus on his vote the government swung.

    There is hardly a more powerful combination of forces outside the “ruling hack/powerbroker class”.

    If Slipper was a company executive, who was played by the attractive lass in executive support, who thought it was a great way to get ahead, the company executive would still be hammered, perhaps relieved of his duties.

    If it was a senior public servant who was besotted and sending the explicit texts, they would also get plenty of bad press.

    Slipper got the job because Gillard needed to walk away from her written agreement with Wilkie. The entire affair has been sleazy and laden with dishonesty.

  4. December 12, 2012 3:08 pm

    I hope there is a public investigation on the role of the Coalition in this cesspit of a smear and innuendo campaign and also that Slipper sues Ashby for damages — hefty ones!

    Phoney Tony and his NO Coalition had hoped they’d be the government before this disgusting campaign ended up being thrown out of the courts — what a bugger, eh?

    They’ll now have to think about another bit of scandalous muck raking, sewage spraying, vitriol vomiting garbage to discredit Labor. I know! I know! What about some scandalous innuendo and muck smearing about Julia Gillard, her ex boyfriend and the AWU?

    TA not fit 2B PM!

  5. Tom R permalink
    December 12, 2012 3:22 pm

    The entire affair has been sleazy and laden with dishonesty.

    Precisely. But, I think you need to turn around to see who is driving the sleaze and dishonesty yomm 😉

  6. Tom R permalink
    December 12, 2012 3:34 pm

    In his judgement, Justice Rares said he had “reached the firm conclusion that Mr Ashby’s predominant purpose for bringing these proceedings was to pursue a political attack”

    But some want to pretend it is all about some personal texts.

    This is much more far reaching than that. This was a deliberate attempt to remove the highest position in the Parliament. And it has the libs DNA all over it.

    But yea, slippers a grubby character, let’s just ignore the elephant lol

  7. Toot Toot Dilmah Moments permalink
    December 12, 2012 3:41 pm

    The Teabag Tony I know
    ‘ is today enduring yet another Godwin Gretch moment with the Federal Court today tossing the sexual harassment case launched against former speaker Peter Slipper out of court.’
    What a shame! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

  8. December 12, 2012 3:56 pm

    Gee, the Opposition sure are all over the media today…..

    *tumbleweeds*

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2012 3:58 pm

    It doesn’t bother me to have the Liberals exposed in playing the grubby game. It’s all just grist for the mill in consolidating our cynicism in political behaviour.

    …but the key points (in my view) are-
    • Gillard only put the sleazy Slipper into the job to get out of her written commitment to Wilkie (you know the one that delivered the Lodge to her and Hyacinth the Hairdresser)
    • Slipper was the most senior person in the HoR.
    • He had more power than just about anyone in parliament, having the deciding vote in a hung parliament, being an independent and holding the Speakership.
    • It is always up to the organisational superior to set the tone and standard of behaviour in their dealings with a subordinate.
    • Slipper had a sleazy reputation.
    • Gillard was counselled by her colleagues against the appointment of Slipper.
    • He still faces investigation on other rorts.
    • Gillard has proven to be a dishonest Prime Minister.

  10. December 12, 2012 3:59 pm

    Correction…

    George Brandis has issued a statement on not giving a statement:

  11. Toot Toot Dilmah Moments permalink
    December 12, 2012 4:00 pm

    The Teabag Tony I know
    is not bright enough to realize this Dilmah_Moment will be another club the ‘left’ can use to beat him about the head with.

  12. Toot Toot Dilmah Moments permalink
    December 12, 2012 4:07 pm

    ‘ George Brandis has issued a statement on not giving a statement ‘
    ******************
    That’s quality tea-bagging! 🙂 🙂 🙂

  13. TeaTowel of Boltsville permalink
    December 12, 2012 4:38 pm

    It doesn’t bother me to have the teabags exposed in playing the grubby game. It’s all just Tea for the Pot in consolidating our nonsense in teabag behavior.

    *

    but the key points (in my view) are-
    • Tony was the most senior teabag in the HoR.
    • He had more power than any teabag in parliament,
    • Ashby is sleazy
    • Teabags chose to listen to Ashby and Gretch.
    • Abbott has proven to be a dishonest Minister.

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 12, 2012 4:47 pm

    The sock puppets are proving to be experts in the ‘search and replace’ discipline, but lacking in actual thinking ability.

    Still, they make a great contribution to the political discourse.

  15. TeaTowel of Boltsville permalink
    December 12, 2012 4:51 pm

    The Teabag are proving to be experts in the ‘search and replace’ discipline, but lacking in actual thinking ability.

    They don’t make any contribution to the political discourse or factual information.

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    December 12, 2012 5:13 pm

    He had more power than just about anyone in parliament, having the deciding vote in a hung parliament, being an independent and holding the Speakership.

    The prime reason to get Slipper in any way possible … secondary reason to get Brough in …

    I see no-one here has mentioned a possible “contempt of court” against “Mr” Ashby?

    I see James Farnham is “enjoying” his “hidden” status … LOL!

  17. Tom R permalink
    December 12, 2012 5:14 pm

    It doesn’t bother me to have the Liberals exposed in playing the grubby game.

    And there we have it

  18. December 12, 2012 6:10 pm

    “Roxon v Brandis on Ashby v Slipper: Fight Club – Drive with Rafael Epstein”

    http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2012/12/12/3653230.htm

  19. TeaTowel of Boltsville permalink
    December 12, 2012 6:17 pm

    the judge was ‘very critical of Mr Ashby working with other liberal party members with the clear intent of trying to harm mr slipper and also harm the government’.

    .
    http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2012/12/12/3653230.htm
    .
    This pretty much sums it up for me reb, (by the way great post, very funny.)

  20. TeaTowel of Boltsville permalink
    December 12, 2012 6:23 pm

    ‘ Brandis took aim at Roxon and her ethics.’
    ‘ “It is equally inappropriate for her (Roxon) to be running a commentary on the case”
    =====================
    Quite a fine example of teabag style Pot_Kettle_Black coming out of Brandis

  21. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 12, 2012 10:05 pm

    I hardly think the Coalition is suddenly in a Crisis.

    The Public sees Slipper as owned by Gillard.

    The” lovely”female SMS messages are public and the taxpayer has already paid Ashby $50000 to go away on a case that fell apart.

    The taxpayer awaits the Cabcharge investigation .

  22. Toot Toot Palm Professor permalink
    December 12, 2012 10:23 pm

    ” taxpayer has already paid Ashby $50000 “
    **************************************
    It will be interesting to see if Ashby gets to keep it. There may be a fraud/blackmail claim against Ashby to recover that. The Judge indicated strongly about Ashby in the role he played.
    http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2012/12/12/3653230.htm

  23. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    December 12, 2012 11:19 pm

    We do such story’s make the news down there? This is just called “politics” here…

  24. Even Tide permalink
    December 12, 2012 11:22 pm

    Seems to me if you can’t run an effective ‘scandal’ you can’t run an effective government. How many legal/political ‘strike outs’ do you need before the ‘mercy rule’ is applied?

    For example, (and they are only selective examples) the LNP ran with Grech ‘allegations’. Thanks Erica. LOL. And then there were the Jackson allegations which were sold at the time as being the ‘nail in the coffin’. Now widely believed to be a nail in her coffin. And then Ralph Blewitt who Gillard shouldn’t have associated with in the past because of his now known ‘grubby character’, but now accepted as a character that Bishop should correctly associate with.

    Please.

    Then we have Ashby. In receipt of MSM support, writ large, while anyone with half an (unbiassed) eye could see was a ‘shonk’. BTW, why don’t we have the MSM with cheque books open-wide chasing down the under age lads who Ashby ‘screwed’?

    The noalition are (should be) in disarray. But probably not.

  25. Even Tide permalink
    December 12, 2012 11:45 pm

    such story’s

    What’s (translated as ‘what is’) with these yanks. Why use an apostrophe with ‘story’s”. No evidence of the ‘possessive’ aka know as ‘ownership’. No evidence of abbreviations as in “don’t we”.

    But never mind. Here in Australia we have caught the same illogicalities with nouns such as the 1990’s (sic) or the1880’s (sic) and the like. And we now have ‘it’s’ (meaning ‘it is)’ instead of the ownership/possessive ‘its’ (natural possessive) when it comes to ‘its tail’ or whatever. Soon it will be hi’s head. It’s their’s. And her’s. LOL.

  26. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    December 13, 2012 1:16 am

    LOL…I often wonder the same thing..when people refer to their “maths” or “sums” when talking about mathematics…Whatever, cultural….

  27. el gordo permalink
    December 13, 2012 7:14 am

    The thing is ETits only a silly season story and those who take it seriously are intellectually stunted.

  28. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2012 8:14 am

    lol

    A deliberate abuse of the legal system in order to try and overthrow a Government is merely a silly season story

    You should work in the media grodo. That’s their line too 😉

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2012 9:16 am

    A deliberate abuse of the legal system in order to try and overthrow a Government is merely a silly season story

    And I have never been really convinced of the News Ltd collusion with the Liberal Party (Right Wing) in Australian politics – (I don’t know about other countries) …

    … until today …

    … my first port of call in the morning is news.com.au … and I expected the biggest scandal of this year to be writ large across the country …

    … nothing, not a word (a linked article in the Courier Mail at the bottom of the webpage) …

    … all the Liberal Ministers gone to ground and the Leader of the Opposition, Tony Abbott, conveniently visiting the ADF in Afghanistan …

    … the separation of powers is a major platform in the way our society operates … for politicians (Ashby is but a dumb pawn) and more particularly a major political party to engage in conspiracy of this nature politicising the nations courts is not only damaging but exceedingly dangerous …

    … what was attempted by the Liberal Party was no less than a bloodless coup …

    … what was attempted by the Liberal Party was no less than a bloodless coup …

    … just to be sure …

    … what was attempted by the Liberal Party was no less than a bloodless coup …

    … it seems our much vaunted apathy in the way our country conducts politics is obviously true …

    … a century ago these people would already be arrested … a couple of centuries ago they would be hanging from a tree …

    … what would they do if weapons were available?

    … these people cannot even wait until the next election!

    … the ruthlessness demonstrated here is sickening … like some Shakespearean, Roman Senate drama … its 2012 – Australia FFS!

    Politics I can understand … political intrigue based upon spurious charges and involving the legal system should not be tolerated by anyone with any understanding at all of how the legal and political sytems operate within this country …

    … Malcolm Turnbull may want start his own party … to keep the bastards honest!!

  30. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2012 9:18 am

    … until today …

    Come over to the dark side TB 😉

    Politics I can understand … political intrigue based upon spurious charges and involving the legal system should not be tolerated by anyone with any understanding at all of how the legal and political sytems operate within this country …

    Well put. Let’s hope yomm both reads, and comprehends.

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 13, 2012 9:36 am

    Context is always important.particularly in this tawdry affair-

    1. Gillard makes a written agreement with an ethical Andrew Wilkie to win government
    2. Gillard walks away from her agreement
    3. Rather than face the consequences of her breach of the agreement, Gillard recruits Liberal Slipper to become Speaker
    4. Gillard keeps her numbers
    5. Colleagues counsel Gillard not to appoint Slipper – reputation
    6. Slipper continues with his snout in the trough behaviour
    7. Ashby, in cahoots with the Liberals, launches an harassment claim
    8. Slipper found to be a sleaze, and unfit to be Speaker, as anticipated in 5 – above
    9. Judgment goes against Ashby and is highly critical of the Liberals
    10. ALP barrackers forget to mention points 1 to 6 when claiming the moral high ground

  32. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2012 9:44 am

    lol @ yomm

    The libs are caught out attempting to corrupt our legal process to try and get their grubby hands on the Treasury, and it is all about ‘Gillard’

    ROFL

    That’s not ‘context’ yomm, that’s an unhealthy obsession with a ranga.

  33. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2012 10:08 am

    … a century ago these people would already be arrested … a couple of centuries ago they would be hanging from a tree …

    Glad you stopped there and didn’t keep going back 😯

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronikos_I_Komnenos#Death

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2012 10:42 am

    Yer a lost soul, ToM … your brain is obsessed, nay diseased … logic has escaped you … what the Liberals have done here is try to bring down the government ILLEGALLY … heads MUST roll … once the general public are made aware of the seriousness of this sorry saga (you obviously don’t see it) … I would expect a tide of disrespect to wash over the Oppposition … a JUDGE has tarred and feathered them for trying to USE his court to further political ends …

    … is Abbott now in Afghanistan trying to stir up the troops to his cause? Can the Liberal Party be trusted to govern for everyone or just for their own sleazy bank accounts … Noddy Newman may not lie (sic!) but that just means he keeps “mum” about the dealings going on in behind the scenes …

    This story is sick, sick, sick!

    Worse than the Whitlam Affair … god save the country ’cause no-one can save Abbott, now …

    Just unfortunate that its almost Christmas and no-one will care … most of the population has become so self centred and ignorant of the running of the nation unscrupulous politicians and their lackeys can simply run wild …

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2012 10:47 am

    The judge said some of Mr Ashby’s text messages were “redolent of Mr Ashby having a purely political intention to use his text exchanges with Mr Slipper to damage him and assist his political opponents, rather than of Mr Ashby being in any way emotionally traumatised or even upset”.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/newman-ministers-role-in-ashby-case-emerges-20121212-2b9v5.html

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2012 10:51 am

    Queensland Premier Campbell Newman was reluctant to comment on the judgment.

    “It’s got nothing to do with me,” he said.

    “I don’t know the guy [Mr Ashby].”

    Asked whether he had spoken to Mr McArdle about his role in advising Mr Ashby, Mr Newman said: “Not at all. I don’t intend to. It’s got nothing to do with me or the state government.”

    Nah, Noddy don’t lie … 🙄

  37. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2012 10:57 am

    blame the Feds ROFL

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2012 10:58 am

    In a scathing and unexpected judgment, Justice Steven Rares found the sexual harassment case was an ”abuse of process” carried out for the ”purpose of causing significant public, reputational and political damage to Mr Slipper” and advancing the interests of the Liberal National Party.

    Labor frontbencher Mark Dreyfus said the judgment – which named the former Howard government minister Mal Brough and senior Queensland LNP figures – showed the Coalition had been involved in an ”attempt to overthrow the government by sinister anti-democratic means”.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/slipper-ruling-sparks-labor-bid-for-revenge-20121212-2ba2g.html

  39. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2012 11:23 am

    lol, so it’s not about an abuse of process, it’s about Labor stamping their little feet and going for revenge.

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2012 11:36 am

    Meanwhile a good government story – hidden away of course …

    NOT many 11-year-olds have received a tweet from the Prime Minister.

    But when Aitken Creek Primary student Campbell Walsh used his class twitter account to question the point of NAPLAN, the PM tweeted back that he would get an answer shortly from School Education Minister Peter Garrett.

    Campbell’s original tweet: @JuliaGillard Why do I have to wait for so long for my NAPLAN results? What’s the point? CW (Grade 5) was published in Fairfax newspapers on Saturday as an example of innovative ways social media is being used in the classroom.

    Read more about twitter in the classroom here.

    Advertisement

    By Monday, Campbell had his answer.

    ”Hi Grade 5/6,” Mr Garrett tweeted to the Aitken Creek Primary class account @ACPS456.

    ”NAPLAN takes a few months because around a million students sit the tests every year. That’s a lot of marking! But we’re working on making NAPLAN an online test, which will mean you will get your results back quicker. PG.”

    His response got a tick of approval from the budding education policy critic, who tweeted to this reporter that if the computer can do it quicker ”the computer idea would be great”.

    Campbell also tweeted his thanks. ”Thank you for getting Peter Garrett to answer me. I really appreciate it,” he tweeted to the PM.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/education/pm-responds-to-schoolboys-critical-tweet-20121205-2avnx.html

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2012 11:41 am

    ALL QUIET ON THE RIGHT WING FRONT

    Very quiet here this morning … all the RWNJs are waiting for instructions from Liberal party HQ … just like the LibNit pollies … must make sure that, Tony Abbott & The Thumsukkers, are singing from the same song sheet!

    Not often you see, ToM, speechless … or Wally, or egg, even the sock puppets are quiet, hey, James and ToSY?

    And of course Sparta wouldn’t have clue what’s going on …

  42. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2012 11:42 am

    Not often you see, ToM, speechless

    senseless yes, speechless, no

  43. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2012 11:45 am

    Emo has a way, and, he is forcing it back onto the front page

    “This is a conspiracy of enormous proportions, and Mr Abbott will hope that it simply blows away and then he can get on to his next smear campaign,” Labor frontbencher Craig Emerson told AM.

    “Mr Abbott will probably want to continue circling the earth and not land and answer these basic questions: What did he know about this? What does he mean by ‘no specific knowledge’?”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-13/labor-ramps-up-attack-on-slipper-conspiracy/4425520

  44. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2012 12:08 pm

    😆

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2012 12:13 pm

    From your link, TomR …

    Victorian-based MP Bruce Billson says there is no suggestion in the court’s decision that any senior Coalition figure was involved in the case.

    “The Government’s trying to, in this shrill sort of hysterical way, trying to make it out to be some enormous conspiracy to change a government,” he said.

    I sometimes wonder whether politicians are just dumb or simply lie to suit their own ends …

    From Judge Rares Conclusions

    CONCLUSION

    196 Having read all of the text messages on Mr Ashby’s mobile phone, as Mr Ashby’s senior counsel invited me to do, as well as the other evidence, I have reached the firm conclusion that Mr Ashby’s predominant purpose for bringing these proceedings was to pursue a political attack against Mr Slipper and not to vindicate any legal claim he may have for which the right to bring proceedings exists. Mr Ashby began planning that attack at least by the beginning of February 2012. As Mr Ashby and Ms Doane agreed in their texts of 30 March 2012 what they were doing “will tip the govt to Mal’s [Brough] and the LNP’s advantage”: [66]. It may be a coincidence that Mr Ashby suggested to Mr Slipper the idea of becoming Speaker just as Mr Brough began to move towards challenging Mr Slipper for LNP pre-selection for his seat and Mr Ashby ended up in an alliance in late March 2012 with Mr Brough to bring down Mr Slipper after he became Speaker. It is not necessary to make any finding about this or about whether Mr Slipper did sexually harass Mr Ashby in any of the ways alleged. It is also not necessary to consider whether these proceedings are “vexatious proceedings” within the meaning of r 6.02 or if that expression has a different meaning in r 26.01(1)(b) under which the Court can give summary judgment if “the proceeding is frivolous or vexatious”.

    197 For the reasons above, I am satisfied that these proceedings are an abuse of the process of the Court. The originating application was used by Mr Ashby for the predominant purpose of causing significant public, reputational and political damage to Mr Slipper. It contained the scandalous and irrelevant 2003 allegations and assertion that Mr Ashby intended to report to the police Cabcharge allegations. To allow these proceedings to remain in the Court would bring the administration of justice into disrepute among right-thinking people and would be manifestly unfair to Mr Slipper: Jeffery & Katauskas 239 CLR at 93 [28]. Even though Mr Ashby has now abandoned the 2003 and all the Cabcharge allegations, the features that I have criticised did the harm to Mr Slipper that Mr Ashby and Mr Harmer intended when those allegations were included in the originating application. A party cannot be allowed to misuse the Court’s process by including scandalous, irrelevant or damaging allegations knowing that they would receive very significant media coverage and then seek to regularise his, her or its pleading by subsequently abandoning those claims.

    198 Sexual harassment of anyone, including an employee such as Mr Ashby, is a violation of the person’s human dignity and rights. The Court must always be available for the hearing and determination of bona fide proceedings to vindicate and protect those rights. But for the reasons I have given, Mr Ashby’s pre-dominant purpose in bringing the proceedings was not a proper one.

    199 Even though I have not found that the combination was as wide as Mr Slipper alleged in his points of claim, the evidence established that there was a combination involving Mr Ashby, Ms Doane and Mr Brough of that kind. Mr Ashby acted in combination with Ms Doane and Mr Brough when commencing the proceedings in order to advance the interests of the LNP and Mr Brough. Mr Ashby and Ms Doane set out to use the proceedings as part of their means to enhance or promote their prospects of advancement or preferment by the LNP, including by using Mr Brough to assist them in doing so. And the evidence also established that the proceedings were an abuse of the process of the Court for the reasons I have given. Accordingly, I am satisfied that the exceptional situation that enlivens the Court’s power to dismiss (or stay) proceedings as an abuse has been proved to the heavy standard required: Williams 174 CLR at 529. The duty and power of the Court to protect its own processes require that I give effect to the findings I have made by dismissing the proceedings under r 26.01.

    McCardle gets a mention earlier …

  46. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 13, 2012 12:15 pm

    Shane Bazzi ‏@bazarazzi
    Talk about burying a story @dailytelegraph. Page 17, really? Not even a rat cartoon this time #slipper #ashby pic.twitter.com/mBFphwHo

    margo kingston ‏@margokingston1
    @CraigEmersonMP But wasn’t their reporter referred to in the case? That enhances duty to fully inform readers. See pic.twitter.com/puJwbt5R

    margo kingston ‏@margokingston1
    @CraigEmersonMP Didn’t The Tele go hard page 1 with the Ashby writ? Their scoop? Hardly fair to readers to downplay the result.

    26m Craig Emerson MP ‏@CraigEmersonMP
    .@margokingston1 Any further back in today’s Telegraph and the Brough-Ashby-LNP scandal would have made the sports section. #auspol

    margo kingston
    ‏@margokingston1
    @CraigEmersonMP In my opinion that is verging on corrupt and I would not consider the editor to be a journalist.

  47. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 13, 2012 12:20 pm

    Sign the petition

    To:
    Attorney General, Parliament House, Canberra.
    Inquiry into people involved with James Ashby acting against Peter Slipper
    Sincerely,
    [Your name]

  48. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 13, 2012 12:40 pm

    Joe Hockey has performed some pretty awful press conferences, but todays effort [not sure where to put the apostrophe eventide best to go with TB and refuse to use them] must rank as his worst.

    Phoney Tony has gone to ground, once more MIA when he should be held accountable for illegal plotting and character assassinations. Now trying to fool voters by reflected glory of appearing with aussie soldiers in Afghanistan. An evil and dangerous man who should never become PM.

  49. December 13, 2012 1:15 pm

    “most of the population has become so self centred and ignorant of the running of the nation unscrupulous politicians and their lackeys can simply run wild …”

    People I know don’t care anymore coz they’re sick to death of the whole sorry charade..

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2012 1:15 pm

    An evil and dangerous man who should never become PM.

    Absobloodylutely, KL!

    Love to chat but taking, The Minister, out for her b/day lunch … back this arvo … 🙂

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 13, 2012 1:18 pm

    Inquire away.

    It’s* all just grist for the cynicism mill.

    I’d also like to see an inquiry into how/why Gillard provided Wilkie with such iron clad guarantees when she was in no position to meet them.

    Was she lying or just dishonest?

    *Nice to have grammar police back on the job.

  52. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2012 1:33 pm

    I sometimes wonder whether politicians are just dumb or simply lie to suit their own ends …

    well, our media are just as dumb

    ulman gave the entire liberal party a free pass last night, reasoning (lol) that if ashby’s texts didn’t lead there, they are in the clear.

    CHRIS UHLMANN: … which means that if there was a trail that lead back to Mr Abbott, it would have been found.

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3653327.htm

    It’s like a big protection racket being run just for the LNP

  53. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2012 1:39 pm

    lol, abuse of process in order to try and overturn a Government is “It’s* all just grist for the cynicism mill.”

    ROFL

    Yea, I’m cynical, cynical about a political party that would deliberately abuse a legal process to achieve their ends, and cynicism of a media who have to be bitch slapped to wake up to what is going on around them on their watch.

    I’m not overly cynical about machinations of political parties on each other, as is what happened when Labor chose Slipper, it’s just political maneuvering. What bothers me is the integrity of a party (and their cheer squad) who appear to hold our legal process in such contempt.

  54. December 13, 2012 1:55 pm

    “What bothers me is the integrity of a party (and their cheer squad) who appear to hold our legal process in such contempt.”

    Hear hear!

    And what also bothers me is the way in which the media (inc ABC) have dropped this scandal 24 hours later in favour of editorials about “Gangham style means it’s the end of the world” or Anne Hathaway’s “wardrobe malfunction”

    It’s a fkn disgrace!

  55. Tom R permalink
    December 13, 2012 2:02 pm

    In theirABC’s defense, they still have Emo’s rant up there reb. Not exactly an analysis of what’s going on, more he said she said, but still it is there.

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 13, 2012 2:14 pm

    …and cynicism of a media who have to be bitch slapped to wake up to what is going on around them on their watch.

    They know what’s going on, they are complicit in it [steve lewis]. Yes, Abbott’s mates run a protection racket and refuse to report the facts and truth, it is corruption and collusion with LNP politicians to advance a political outcome [coalition winning an election].

  57. December 13, 2012 2:36 pm

    “People I know don’t care anymore coz they’re sick to death of the whole sorry charade..”

    Amen, to that!

  58. December 13, 2012 2:44 pm

    Well, whodathunk that the Opposition would be flailing in every direction to create furore enough to topple the government!?

    At times like these, I like to reflect on the histrionics of those who’ve claimed with certainty that “Gillard has really done it now! she’ll be gone by February…June…Xmas…etc.”. They get too caught up in the wishful thinking of Boltian projection.
    Hilarious, to see Herr Bolt close his blog doors for another calender year with his most earnest predictions once again unfulfilled…despite all of his screeching & pantswetting & clamoured indignance from those who take their lead from him. 😆

    That’s not to say that the ALP should be puffing out its chest. As near as I can tell, they’re still on track for a catastrophic electoral defeat; thus gifting an imbalance of power to the arsehats…who will, in turn, overreach & remind the voting population what mendacious, power serving shits that they are.

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 13, 2012 3:07 pm

    many happy returns to the minister of the TB house, hope you have a lovely day!

  60. TeaTowel of Boltsville permalink
    December 13, 2012 3:59 pm

    The Teabag Tony I know
    is not liked by the demographic known as AU ‘Women’
    (even News-Corp Poll verifies this)
    .
    The Ashby bullshit will damage the teabags standing with
    1. The AU ‘Gay’ demographic, and
    2. The AU ‘Religious’ demographic

  61. TeaTowel of Boltsville permalink
    December 13, 2012 4:03 pm

    The Teabag Tony I know
    is in Afghanistan today trying to prop up the ‘military’ demographic, that is more likely to vote ‘teabag’

  62. TeaTowel of Boltsville permalink
    December 13, 2012 4:18 pm

    Yes @ TomR, our teabag-media are just as stupid, ignorant, corrupt and willful as the teabag-party they worship, re-echo and megaphone.

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2012 6:12 pm

    many happy returns to the minister of the TB house, hope you have a lovely day!

    Many thanks, KL, went past Even Tide’s old place … over the bridge … 😉

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just had a quick flick around the newsblogs and the deafening silence is astounding! (Actually very frightening given the circumstances!)

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2012 8:09 pm

    James Ashby: Not a happy camper (Photo caption above)

    LOL!

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    December 13, 2012 9:28 pm

    I’m beginning to think that the Asby Affair is going to explode … the lack of comment from both sides of politics (even tho’ ’tis Christmas) may be more telling than we realise …

    … a lot of strategy going on behind the scenes at both the ALP AND the LibNit camps … Who did and who will? What if? When will they? How can they?

    LOL!

  66. Even Tide permalink
    December 13, 2012 11:43 pm

    Worth a read!

    http://doonesbury.slate.com/strip/archive/2012/12/13

  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 14, 2012 1:03 am

    Some laffs there with dick emery, love those silly walks!

    I’m evenstarting to wonder about the trustworthiness of newspoll and anything that comes out of the oz. If newsltd journos will manipulate the ‘news/opinion’ so that the coalition is always advantaged, why wouldn’t they manipulate the poll that they own?

    Can they be trusted to tell the truth on anything?

  68. News Corp Poll permalink
    December 14, 2012 1:28 am

    Here at News-Corp Poll we conduct the most intensive polling around the nation. We regularly poll The North Shore, Toorak and Liberal Party State Headquarters with quality questions in a sample size that reflects Murdoch opinion. Often, we rarely need to leave number two Holt Street.

  69. Dilmah Moments permalink
    December 14, 2012 3:48 am

    The Daily Trash Presents!
    (in conjunction with, the Teabag Party and Afghan War)
    .
    The Tony Abbott I know

    Abbott complained he was taken out of context, yet when asked to explain the context out of which he was taken, Abbott froze everything save his nodding head, and said nothing for 24 seconds.

    .
    http://www.smh.com.au/action/printArticle?id=2176066
    .
    Shit Happens, another Dilmah Moment

  70. Tom R permalink
    December 14, 2012 6:34 am

    metatabot

    The metadata of the media release on the Ashby matter sent by Mr Abbott’s office to media outlets indicates it was “created” at 11.08pm on Friday, April 20, 2012 – before News Limited published its exclusive story on the Saturday.

    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/abbotts-office-defends-slipper-response-20121213-2bca7.html

    He’s blaming the servers. Should be pretty easy to verify 😉

  71. December 14, 2012 7:02 am

    Julia says she has no knowledge of the AWU scandal and the rusted on LNP supporters scream she is a LIAR.

    Tony says he has no knowledge of the Peter Slipper scandal and the rusted on ALP supporters scream LIAR.

    Naive people believe them both.

    Idiots believe the press, whose bias is as evident as bulls balls.

    People able to think for themselves and do a bit of investigation and are actually swinging voters know that there are lies and half truths in all of this. These people also accept an independent ruling from a judge rather than rumours and lies from the ringside seats.

    The problem I have is an opposition has attempted to destabilise a legally elected government by underhanded and manipulative actions and this has been detected and exposed by a Judge. In addition our current Opposition Leader had his own slush fund to try and destroy Pauline Hanson, another political personality legally elected by Australian citizens (for better or worse) and nothing happens and it is all covered up. It seems destruction of anyone not a member of the LNP is the way of the Opposition Leader these days. Now isn’t that a great example of our democracy being set by Tony Abbott. You can vote for who you like, but if an LNP member is not elected we will do all in our power to destroy the MP, by any means possible, fair or foul, legal or not ( we just hope not to get caught) rather than at the ballot box.

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 14, 2012 9:27 am

    Studies in the UK about 10 years ago found a direct correlation between voting behaviour and IQ.

    The most intelligent people voted Green, followed closely by Liberal Democrats. This group was significantly above average intelligence.

    Quite a way behind the Greens and LibDems were the Conservatives, then Labour – who were behind the intelligence of Conservatives but not by a huge margin. Interestingly supporters of both the major parties were a long way behind the IQ of the Greens and LibDems.

    Quite a way behind the intelligence of Conservatives and Labour voters were the supporters of the various nationalist parties.

    This pattern seems to be replicated in Australia, with the quality of debate dumbed down between the ALP and the Liberals and their barrackers.

    More independently minded people offer more intelligent, sharper discourse

  73. Tom R permalink
    December 14, 2012 9:43 am

    More independently minded people offer more intelligent, sharper discourse

    More independently minded people appear to not care that a current political party is abusing the legal process for their own ends, but has tantrums over 20 year old smear campaigns

    Independently minded ❓ 😯

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2012 9:55 am

    More independently minded people offer more intelligent, sharper discourse

    Well, that would count you out, ToM, as an obvious Liberal Party supporter extraoridinaire …

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 14, 2012 10:45 am

    Not at all. I think the Liberals have been dishonest and I have no problem with this being pointed out repeatedly.

    I also think Slipper is a sleaze, and should never have been appointed Speaker, just as various people told Gillard.

    And Gillard did the grubby deal because she knifed Wilkie and had would do anything to retain power.

    Have I got any of the issues here wrong?

  76. el gordo permalink
    December 14, 2012 11:06 am

    ‘…would do anything to retain power.’

    And went to bed with the Greens, a sordid and expensive business.

  77. Tom R permalink
    December 14, 2012 11:19 am

    I think the Liberals have been dishonest and I have no problem with this being pointed out repeatedly.

    10. ALP barrackers forget to mention points 1 to 6 when claiming the moral high ground

    The sock puppets are proving to be experts in the ‘search and replace’ discipline, but lacking in actual thinking ability.

    😯

    I’d hate to see it if you had a problem 😉

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2012 11:23 am

    I’d hate to see it if you had a problem

    That’s a very generous statement to make, TomR … must be the silly season 😉

  79. Tom R permalink
    December 14, 2012 11:45 am

    Tis’ the season to be silly TB 🙂

  80. December 14, 2012 1:31 pm

    Remarkable. Joe Hockey has just told the media that everyone should just drop the James Ashby scandal “because it’s Christmas…”

  81. Tom R permalink
    December 14, 2012 1:45 pm

    Sortius isn’t 😉

    http://sortius-is-a-geek.com/?p=2626

  82. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 14, 2012 1:58 pm

    Remarkable. Joe Hockey has just told the media that everyone should just drop the James Ashby scandal “because it’s Christmas…”

    Nice one uncle joe, cover it all up with a smile and a jolly little quip.
    Lucky the media never bothers to perform any investigative journalism on your party. Doesn’t work for Labor though, the sleazebag cartel insists on headlines in the media for two years and more, alleging crime where none exists and no evidence to be found, works well for them!

    These filthmongers get paid by the taxpayer to bring the whole political system into disrepute.

    This is where our supposed ‘democracy’ doesn’t exist – brough should not be up for election, but the libs have endorsed him, they give voters the middle finger and say “up yours, we decide who will be the MP in a safe seat”.

    Abbott is not worthy of the PMs office, just on his behaviour, dishonesty, criminal operations, and dirtbag tricks alone, but the rusted ons don’t seem to think that his character is a problem – why?

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2012 1:58 pm

    The Ashby Affair … and the deathly silence … really highlights the ALP’s incompetence in handling the media … this has been a problem since Rudd took office … they simply don’t know how to communicate … especially with the public …

    This story should be everywhere … tampering with democratic process is worse than criminal its treason … happy christmas to you, happy christmas to you … “winding down” doesn’t mean everything stops … FFS!

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2012 2:09 pm

    But … KL, “up yours, we decide who will be the MP in a safe seat”. … is frightening too … what sort of electorate would vote for a sleaze like Brough?

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2012 2:10 pm

    I wonder if Pickering has drawn a cartoon of Ashby, Abbott, Payne, Slipper & Brough yet?

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2012 2:11 pm

    One thing I keep forgetting to mention, how good is that judge to see through the BS …

  87. el gordo permalink
    December 14, 2012 2:21 pm

    Abuse of process is a fair assessment.

  88. December 14, 2012 2:41 pm

    “… they simply don’t know how to communicate … especially with the public …”

    Agreed!

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2012 3:38 pm

    Still in Penang, sreb?

  90. Tom R permalink
    December 14, 2012 3:41 pm

    lol

    The media not being able to notice a watergate style story wafting by underneath their noses is all Labors fault, even when ministers are coming out saying “THIS IS LIKE WATERGATE!!”

    ROFL

  91. reb of Penang permalink
    December 14, 2012 4:58 pm

    Yes TB still in Penang . Will be here until Jan 3.

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 14, 2012 6:22 pm

    Australia and Nauru could be in breach of their international obligations to protect refugees over the running of the detention centre on Nauru, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees has found.

    In an unusually strong report for the agency, the UNHCR said Australia’s ”no-advantage” policy, in which boat people who arrive in Australia after August 13 face transfer to Nauru or Manus Island, is ”inconsistent” with both countries’ responsibility to protect the rights of refugees

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/unhcr-takes-aim-at-australia-over-nauru-detainees-20121214-2be9u.html#ixzz2F0aYvt5R

    The ALP government has really lived up to expectations.

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    December 14, 2012 6:49 pm

    The ALP government has really lived up to expectations

    And the previous Liberal National Coalition … duh! One patch one eye …

  94. Even Tide permalink
    December 14, 2012 10:50 pm

    Reb while you are in Penang have a chicken ‘feast’ at the Song River Cafe. But I bet you know that.

    http://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Restaurant_Review-g660694-d1554659-Reviews-Song_River-Penang_Island_Penang.html

    Yes, or the uninformed, there is the possibility that rats and mice will be in abundance and one should never mind the cockroaches and other vermin. But the ‘street food’ is superb.

    As or the ALP and its inability to communicate, or to be more concsie, as to how’ to construct a reality’, I just shake my head.

    Here we have a clear case of a political party ‘attempting’ to use the judicial system for political purposes. That’s why the judge, being mindful of democratic ‘conventions’, had no option other than to kill the ‘case’ dead in its tracks.

    I note that the case originates from QLD – a state whose former Premier simply had no idea re the ‘seperation of powers’..

    Now the obscenity repeats …

  95. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 15, 2012 1:15 am

    the ‘nixon’ of australian politics

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    December 15, 2012 12:13 pm

    ANOTHER ALP OWN GOAL!

    PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has dismissed a call from one of her senior MPs to give up on Labor’s commitment to a budget surplus.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/pm-julia-gillard-dismisses-chief-government-whip-joel-fitzgibbons-forget-surplus-claim/story-fndo48ca-1226536543633

    Just when the ALP should have the LibNits on the ropes someone drops their guard with a “look at me” … WALLOP!

    These turkeys couldn’t manage a fkn school fete (apologies to all P&Cs) …

    Fitzgibbons may be right … but why go to the media FFS? Its an internal issue … discussed in caucus …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    As for the latest US massacre … what drives a twenty year old to murder his mother … and especially 20 (?) small children?

    A total of 27 people all told …

    I know the weapons argument will arise again … but weapons control in Oz hasn’t reduced weapon attacks in public (just given more power to criminals – now they know most of us don’t have a weapon in the home – thus the increase in home invasions …) and if a madwoman/man (aren’t they mostly men) was contemplating “mass murder” nothing would stop them getting a weapon …

    Are some American citizens so frustrated with their lives that others (small, innocent children) must suffer with them …? How did this latest event occur if they had just increased “security”?

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 15, 2012 12:19 pm

    1. Gillard made a written agreement with Wilkie to win government
    2. Gillard must have known that the commitment was unconditional and she could not guarantee the commitments she made.
    3. Gillard walked away from the agreement without even bringing the support of her own party to the vote.
    4. Rather than deal with the consequences of this dishonesty she appointed Slipper to Speaker
    5. Many of her colleagues warned her not to do this.
    6. Slipper was already a proven rorter
    7. Slipper continued his rorting and sleazy behaviour.
    8. Slipper proved himself to be unfit for Speaker
    9. The Liberals used dishonest tactics to demonstrate his sleazy behaviour
    10. The Liberals can be legitimately criticised for point 9.

    That’s my view of this episode, so I’m not quite sure why Gillard is trying to take some form of moral high ground.

  98. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 15, 2012 1:36 pm

    tomm, your dot points and numbers add up to chauvinism.

    4,5,6,7,8,9,10 – slipper was in parliament for 20 yrs as an endorsed and supposedly valued LNP candidate, gillard used him to her own advantage

    1,2,3, newsflash to tomM – it’s called politics, they’ve all gone back on agreements, backstabbed and betrayed one another [remember mal coulston?] You impose a higher standard on gillard than any other australian policitician. You judge her on sexist male views because she’s female [can’t be trusted, dishonest, cheating] rather than simply as another politician.

    When it comes to deviousness, dishonesty and lying, tony abbott has it all over gillard. What do you call someone who has lied about his knowledge of the slipper affair? Someone who has blamed a ‘computer glitch’ when computer experts say what abbott claims is impossible and is an outright lie [not forgetting all his other lies].

    10 HOURS OF BULLSHIT

    …If you work in IT, you know that setting a clock even 1hr out your network will fall over, the tolerances for Windows Server is 5 minutes difference in time. Even if you set a different timezone, Windows Server will not accept login credentials from a client computer if the time is more than 5 minutes out.

    This, however, is not what Abbott is claiming. He is claiming that the SERVER was out by 10 hours, which means the WHOLE of the APH network should have been out by 10hrs. This is obviously not the case, otherwise this massive IT failure would have cause chaos during April 2012 in APH…

    …UP TO HIS EYEBALLS

    Abbott’s attempt to use technical excuses in the Ashby/Brough affair shows that he is not only heavily involved, but it’s clear he is trying to cover up his involvement in a conspiracy to bring down a sitting member of parliament, & the legitimate government of Australia.

    Seeing as there are no journalists willing to run forensics on these files, I have requested to see the PDFs, documents & emails from said journos…

    …[UPDATE3]: The PDF created by the same user (mcdulingg) submitted from the day before clearly shows “+10’00′” (AEST) time zone. So that’s that, the date has been modified on the 23/04/12 to attempt to show the time zone as UTC…

    Abbott has been a practised and accomplished political liar and has been prepared to act unethically and immorally throughout his career. He plots & schemes non-stop to overthrow a legitimate government, but to some sexists, gillard is a liar who should not be tolerated for a minute! Gobsmacking hypocrisy and sexism on display.

  99. Tom R permalink
    December 15, 2012 2:33 pm

    AO, let’s hope Emo chases this one up

  100. el gordo permalink
    December 15, 2012 2:40 pm

    ‘Fitzgibbons may be right … but why go to the media FFS?’

    He’s white anting.

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 15, 2012 5:37 pm

    There is no legitimate view that my criticism of Gillard is “misogynist”. My criticism of her is all based on the clear evidence of her dishonesty.

    Howard lost government because he was seen as dishonest, putting partisan interests in front of his public responsibilities. Though the attacks on his wife had more than a whiff of “misogyny” about them.

    If Abbott had done the deal with Wilkie to deliver gambling, and walked away from it, and made a deal with a disgruntled ALP MP to avoid the consequences… I think the screeching from ALP barrackers would be deafening…and their complaints would be legitimate.

    The fact is that Gillard is carrying so much baggage as a result of her dishonesty stretching back a couple of decades, she is not to be trusted, and that has nothing to do with her gender.

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 15, 2012 5:55 pm

    These are the factors that didn’t help Howard-
    • A strong economy
    • Politicisation of asylum seekers
    • Putting partisan interests in front of public responsibilities
    • A budget surplus
    • Getting all cosy with a US President
    • Lowering interest rates

    There is no reason to suggest that the same factors should rescue Gillard.

  103. December 15, 2012 6:27 pm

    “I know the weapons argument will arise again …”

    🙄

    It seems passing strange to me, that there is any rearguard defence lamenting our lack of firearms proliferation here in OZ.
    More weapons equals more opportunities for some deranged tnuc to shoot primary school kids & teachers…not the other way around.
    The shooter wasn’t a part of the underworld. He was, apparently, a 20yo who snapped for whatever reason. If he hadn’t been able to put his hands on three of his mother’s firearms in the home it’s likely that he would never have been able to carry out such a slaughter.

    There is no reasonable argument which justifies every adult citizen amassing an arsenal, that isn’t rooted in an irrational phobia of defending oneself/family from overstated boogeymanlike threats in the community.

    More guns in the community= greater potential for multiple killing…

    * sorry, TB.

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    December 15, 2012 7:29 pm

    * sorry, TB. Never needed,Ser Tee … we see eye to eye om most issues … but I would be disappointed if we agreed on all (actually, I’d be suspicious!!)

    As an aside …

    I assume you visited Port Arthur on your recent trip … and I am more convinced than ever after seeing the place (such an awful history but so so beautiful and calm when we were there) that the deaths of 36 people, in so short a time, were not carried out by one person …

    Every home in Switzerland had a weapon until recently … all men served in national service and kept their weapon … nothing like the USA (or other places has ever happened there) …

    Your argument means that we should remove vehicles from our streets … people kill not weapons …

    … just what makes American cotizens into mass murderers?

    I know you like research and reading …

    http://www.military-sf.com/Killing.htm

  105. TeaGun of Phoenix permalink
    December 15, 2012 8:56 pm

    Manufacturing Bullets is a legitimate american business, and our weapons industry has the absolute right to make a profit, including the machine-gun and small-arms makers.
    .
    Who says a few “home-boys” shooting themselves or a few small children count ?

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    December 15, 2012 9:45 pm

    Who says a few “home-boys” shooting themselves or a few small children count ?

    Me for one … that is very insensitive comment under present circumstances!

    If you have children I fear for their safety with that sort of insensitivity …

  107. December 15, 2012 9:52 pm

    Thanks for the recommendation Even Tide… 🙂

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 15, 2012 10:29 pm

    These are the factors that didn’t help Howard-

    no mention of workchoices, tampa, children overboard, awb, solon, hicks, alvarez, illegal war based on false evidence, brother stan, cronyism, nepotism, defunding not for profits and community groups that were critical of his government, racism and politics of hate?

    You are just like rupert’s journos when it comes to the libs tomM – understate the deals, the dirt and the nastiness, overstate anything decent to be found.

    More guns in the community= greater potential for multiple killing…
    * sorry, TB.

    Me too, guns being freely available makes it so easy for enraged people to take many innocents with them on their mission for others to share their pain.

    Australia’s 1996 gun law reforms: faster falls in firearm deaths, firearm suicides, and a decade without mass shootings

    …I assume you visited Port Arthur on your recent trip … and I am more convinced than ever after seeing the place (such an awful history but so so beautiful and calm when we were there) that the deaths of 36 people, in so short a time, were not carried out by one person…

    Feels completely different for me, my sister lives in hobart and I visit often. I have been to pt arthur numerous times and the memorial site to me is the ugliest looking and feeling public ‘garden’ I have ever been in. I only walked inside it the once, I now bypass it because of the depressed feeling it gives off. To me, it’s like looking at a garden of weeds, it gives a feeling of sadness, despair, neglect and ruin rather than contemplation or remembrance.

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 16, 2012 12:07 am

    Not at all AO.

    Howard was booted out half a decade ago. I’m only pointing out that this government shouldn’t take too much comfort from the factors that didn’t help his government.

    Workchoices particularly demonstrates that no future government is likely to put its hard ideology too far ahead of the political tolerance of the electorate.

    But the fact is that Gillard gets favourable treatment because she is a woman. No man could use the “young & naïve” excuse for transgressions that occurred in their mid 30s. They’d be ridiculed out of office. No man could get out of difficult questioning with the giggling, girly response that Gillard lapses into.

    The ”…but, but, but …I’m a girl…” behaviour is wearing thin.

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 16, 2012 12:17 am

    Based on Ashbygate, if Watergate happened in Australia, Nixon would need to confess before our old media would report the scandal. Victoria Rollison comments.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/politics/overlooking-australias-watergate/

    …I wonder if Taylor has ever considered that Watergate may actually not rival Ashbygate? Nixon was, after all, gathering dirt on his rivals who were in opposition…

    …He was not conspiring to bring down a government. So which conspiracy is more serious? Only one of these scandals threatened the stability of a nation’s democratically elected government?/a>

  111. Tea_Gun of Phoenix permalink
    December 16, 2012 9:52 am

    High minded australian do gooders continually miss the point. Our beloved amendments give americans rights that were hard earned by warfare. Our ancestors had to ‘fight’ for those rights and we americans will not give those rights away.
    .
    We have the right to bear arms, that’s law and most americans will not stand for changing it.
    .
    We have the right to pursue happiness. Profit brings many of us happiness, while shooting people brings others happiness.
    .
    We in america will retain these rights and we understand that some small incidents will occur occasionally that may challenge these rights. It also helps if we have both major parties on the payroll.

  112. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 16, 2012 2:25 pm

    But the fact is that Gillard gets favourable treatment because she is a woman.

    If the last couple of years has been favourable treatment, I’d hate to see what she would have got if the media and opposition weren’t making stuff up!

  113. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 16, 2012 2:38 pm

    No man could use the “young & naïve” excuse for transgressions that occurred in their mid 30s.

    Oh? I thought tony abbott’s aggressive, threatening, intimidating and physically violent behaviour as a student was written off as just that. What about the ‘clean slate’ he declared for himself when he became born again as leader of the opposition. Why did he need to do that do you think?

    You think his wink, nods and knowing smirks for the cameras doesn’t show him up as the hypocrite he is when he preaches the very opposite of what he practices?

    Everyone knows that boys will be boys and he’s just a big naughty boy, doing what all aussie boys do when they belong to a gang of bullies eh?

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 16, 2012 3:39 pm

    Abbott was a teenager, an age that anyone can claim youth and naivete.

    Gillard was 30odd.

    Gillard has routinely used her gender as an excuse and I don’t consider it sexist or misogynist to outline her long history of untrustworthiness.

    I have a very intelligent, strongly willed daughter, and I hope she finds strong role models. But I also hope she doesn’t find one in Gillard.

    Gillard deserves every bit of scrutiny she gets.

    I’m also happy for the Liberals to get plenty. It’s about time politicians felt severe .to live up to the standards they promise.

  115. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 16, 2012 4:03 pm

    ‘severe pressure’

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    December 16, 2012 4:43 pm

    “self inflicted” 😉

  117. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 16, 2012 5:35 pm

    Abbott was a teenager, an age that anyone can claim youth and naivete.

    He behaves the same way today – why do you think he’s been called out on the misogyny and sexism, never mind the illegal activities? [slipper/ashby]

    I’m also happy for the Liberals to get plenty.

    Except they don’t, that’s an enormous advantage given to them thanks to the murdochracy. They are protected from scrutiny, the most obvious example being the non-reporting of the slipper/ashby judgement, yet newsltd can keep 17 yr old unsupported trash in the headlines for years re gillard. If ashbygate did get reported it was on the back page with a slant endeavouring to put the coalition in the best possible light. The embedded newsltd stenographers/reporters write their articles exactly as handed to them by the liberal party or do their best to spin a positive for the coalition. Abbott’s foot-in-mouth offences are under reported and he is made out to be some kind of statesman when he is totally unsuitable for high office and an embarrassment in his own country let alone on the world stage.

    Then there is the rest of them, teabag central [see link below] or jolly joe’s jesterings [how to make light of serious subject matters or off you go now nothing to bother yourselves about – remember gillard = bad].

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/politics/to-the-extreme-with-hard-cory-bernardi/

  118. Tea_Gun of Phoenix permalink
    December 16, 2012 6:38 pm

    ” I fear for their safety “
    ************************
    You don’t need to. They are fully trained and prepared for home defense.
    .
    A few of these keep the bad guts away.
    http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/91401

  119. Tea_Gun of Phoenix permalink
    December 16, 2012 6:50 pm

    Ooopz A few of these keep the bad guys away.
    http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/91401

  120. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 16, 2012 9:40 pm

    The Liberal Party doesn’t care who they drive to suicide with their sleaze and filth – they are incapable of human compassion. I think they should be held accountable to the public for their brutal character assassinations? Of course nothing would ever appear in the media about the rights at work of non coalition politicians or coalition aligned public servants [kirby] right to a safe workplace. Yet coalition aligned fabricators get off scot free [grech] and even get to write an opinion in a national paper.

    The sinister conspiracies against Slipper and Thomson

    …Two days ago, a similar story was told. Four grown men, Ashby, Abbott, Brough and Pyne, tried to drive to suicide a vulnerable man and nearly succeeded — and they did it deliberately…

    …Two of the same men ‒ Abbott and Pyne ‒ tried as well to drive another man, Craig Thomson, to suicide, and a doctor, Mal Washer, warned them they were doing so…

    …These comparisons have not thus far been made; because it common practice for the Liberals to accuse opponents of being slime-balls and harass them in the chamber and on television. One of them, Nick Sherry, attempted suicide — apparently as the result of Peter Costello’s incessant slurs. Another, Greg Wilton, succeeded, and is dead now and will not be alive again.

    And Abbott, a few hours ago, did not say sorry, or weep, or offer money or contrition. He defiantly asked if the ruined man would be Speaker again. He knew full well that his mob had used the court to publish letters that would never otherwise have come to light; which made restoration politically, and diplomatically, impossible…

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 16, 2012 10:38 pm

    It is hardly unusual for politicians to get a sense of guilt, after the event, particularly when they pretend to –

    • Be a pillar of the community Active in their church
    • Have religious convictions and moral strength

    …but in reality they’re leading a double life. What makes them think they can get away with it?

    Slipper would have known he was carrying plenty of baggage, but despite this he continued to engage in the same behaviour.

    AO – can you tell me why we’re supposed to go easy on him?

  122. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 16, 2012 11:02 pm

    “The sinister conspiracies against Slipper and Thomson”

    Thomson?? What conspiracy?? Someone used the HSU credit card for prostitutes. Surely you are not saying it was Abbott who used the card. Furthermore it is FWA that is prosecuting him.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-15/fair-work-begins-federal-court-proceedings-against-craig-thomson/4313948

    “Fair Work Australia has laid civil charges against independent MP Craig Thomson over allegations he misused funds when he was national secretary of the Health Services Union.”

    And it was Robert McClelland who brought up the AWU issue in Parliament. And it is Labor people doing the leaking about Gillards past behaviour.

    And Abbott did not send the text messages to Ashby. It was Slipper who sent the text messages to Ashby.

  123. Even Tide permalink
    December 16, 2012 11:37 pm

    Yes Slipper is a lowlife. To be despised. A rank politician. Ought to be dismissed at the next election. And in all likelihood that would be the outcome. A mere cypher in the history books.

    He is a disgrace But still within the bounds of the political to and fro.

    And then there are those who ‘conspired’ to bring down a legitimte government, including Pyne, Brough, Abbott, Bishop, et al. They attempted to attack the very basis of our democracy. Concepts like seperation of powers were completely disregarded in their lust for power. Presumably those who comment have read the judgement.

    Conservatives? My arse. Liberals? Please. Radicals? Yep. Completely unprincipled.

    Oh and I forget, Gillard has red hair. Shakes head.

  124. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 17, 2012 1:29 am

    …Er, Tony…. Tony…. Tony…. Peter Slipper WAS YOUR FRIEND…. for many many many years… He was even the casting vote for you becoming the leader of the muckopposition… ONE VOTE which you did accept… Did you know he was not fit to be YOUR friend — or your supporter?…Oh I see “I knew Peter Slipper was “suspect” for many years…” Says the two-faced Tonimucker… That is why he, Tonybullcrap, was at Peter Slipper’s wedding as a mate…

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248794/Tragic-suicide-note-DJs-written-nurse-royal-hoax-I-hold-responsible.html#ixzz2FE0rrali

    …The nurse who committed suicide after the royal hoax phone call left a note telling the two DJs behind the prank they were responsible for her death, according to sources close to the family…

    …The Mail on Sunday has also been informed that in another, one-page letter, Ms Saldanha criticised ‘aspects of the hospital staff’, and singled out two individuals for blame.

  125. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 17, 2012 2:42 am

    http://media.theage.com.au/news/national-news/abbotts-popularity-hits-new-low-3895514.html

    …Mr Abbott’s disapproval has risen three points to 63 per cent – the second highest for an opposition leader in the poll’s 40-year history – while nearly two-thirds of those aware of the issue were critical of how he handled the slush fund affair.

    Labor’s two-party vote has increased a point to 48 per cent since mid-November but the Coalition, on 52 per cent (down a point), would still win an election held now…

  126. Dilmah Moments permalink
    December 17, 2012 6:51 am

    Happy Christmas Trashers!
    An Early Christmas Present!

    The Tony Abbott I know

    Mr Abbott’s disapproval rate climbing to 63 per cent, a record for him and the second highest in Nielsen poll history.

    http://www.theage.com.au/action/printArticle?id=3895289

    PERSONAL BEST’S, another Dilmah Moment

  127. el gordo permalink
    December 17, 2012 7:22 am

    Yep, its been a bit tawdry, but the monk’s popularity should improve next year when he comes out with better policy ideas than the government.

  128. TeaSpoon of Boltsville permalink
    December 17, 2012 7:30 am

    These are the facts that won’t help
    The Tony Abbott I know
    • A strong economy
    • Politicisation of asylum seekers
    • Putting teabag interests in front of everything else
    • Understanding a budget
    • Getting all cosy with Gina
    • Lowering intelligence
    .
    There is no reason these factors should rescue him.

  129. Tea Egg of Global Cooling permalink
    December 17, 2012 7:42 am

    ‘ the monk’s popularity should improve next year ‘
    that aint gonna happen.
    ‘ when he comes out with ANY policy ideas ‘
    and neither is that

  130. December 17, 2012 8:02 am

    Slipper ‘scandal’ exposed as conspiracy, awaiting Labor to launch investigation in order to see if that wakes our press from their slumber. 10 hours tony, 10 hours 😉

    Will another conspiracy be exposed? We know jackson was getting pretty tight with the liberal mob.

    A receipt of documents signed by a detective-sergeant on November 12 and seen by Fairfax Media shows police took the folders and 10 boxes of records ”for their investigation purposes”.
    Advertisement

    The documents are believed to relate to spending by the union’s No. 3 branch during the period its state secretary was Kathy Jackson.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/health-union-papers-seized-amid-rancorous-poll-20121216-2bhkj.html#ixzz2FFbHjnlD

    Mind you, this is all months old, to the the New Media anyway, thanks Wixxy

  131. Tea Egg of Global Cooling permalink
    December 17, 2012 8:15 am

    ‘ this is all months old, to the the New Media anyway,’
    ****************************************
    You’re not suggesting teabag media are biased and don’t really know much about anything are you TomR?

  132. December 17, 2012 8:16 am

    You’re not suggesting teabag media are biased and don’t really know much about anything are you TomR?

    Who? Me! 🙂

  133. Tea Egg of Global Cooling permalink
    December 17, 2012 8:28 am

    There is more to Jacksonville than what Fairfox is telling us TomR.

    Whats got me stuck is why Fairfox is doing what Junk-News-Corp would do. I can always understand Junk-News-Corp doing the denial routine and Junk-Facts, but I can’t remember when Fairfox was so stubborn.

  134. December 17, 2012 8:33 am

    Too many years of playing the same field as rupert. That, and all of the journos there know, play to rupe, or your career prospects in Oz is nil

    I have been whinging for years about the media bias in our papers.

    First, there was no bias

    Then, there was, but so what, what is wrong with that (one of my arguments was that you end up passing on too much rubbish, so people stop listening)

    Now, the Old Media is dying, cos people have stopped listening. 😯

    Suck Sit I say. That’s what they get for abusing the power they had.

  135. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 17, 2012 9:37 am

    “….because it common practice for the Liberals to accuse opponents of being slime-balls and harass them in the chamber and on television. One of them, Nick Sherry, attempted suicide — apparently as the result of Peter Costello’s incessant slurs. Another, Greg Wilton, succeeded, and is dead now and will not be alive again….”

    Yet again the Left regurgitates one of its more disgusting lies by trying to capitalise politically upon the death of one of its own.

    Why am I not surprised ?

    “Mark Latham has made much of the suicide of Greg Wilton, using it as an
    example of the treachery and poison in the ALP. It was obviously an
    event that affected him deeply, as it did many people in the ALP at
    that time. But Latham, like the media retelling his side of the story,
    is not telling you the full story………..”

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2005/09/16/the-real-story-of-greg-wiltons-suicide/

  136. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 17, 2012 9:41 am

    “Now, the Old Media is dying, cos people have stopped listening.”

    Perhaps so but it appears that the Left friendly Fairfax is the one suffering the most.

    You only need to look at its List of Most Influential Women in Australia from last week to realise what a laughing stock it has now become. You’d struggle to know more than 5 of the women on that list.

  137. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 17, 2012 10:21 am

    Yes Slipper is a lowlife. To be despised. A rank politician

    And it was Gillard who wanted him as Speaker when she knew the Coalition was trying to get rid of him. Says all i need to know about Gillards judgement.

  138. December 17, 2012 10:42 am

    And it was Gillard who wanted him as Speaker

    And he turned out to be one of the best speakers we have had in recent times. Perhaps it takes a rank politician to keep all the other rank politicians in line?

    Of course, brough doesn’t seem any better

    The occasion was a social cricket match Brough ruined for many by disputing an umpire’s decision in a manner which would have seen him suspended if not expelled from any decent sporting club.

    I was the abused umpire and witnesses to Brough’s inelegant behavior—it went on for hours. I have been reminded of it by last week’s Federal Court decision to dismiss James Ashby’s action against Peter Slipper as an abuse of legal process. Brough was deeply involved in that case.

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/mal-brough-and-the-art-of-losing-gracefully/

  139. el gordo permalink
    December 17, 2012 10:46 am

    ‘Perhaps it takes a rank politician to keep all the other rank politicians in line?’

    That’s one perspective. How about an individual with integrity?

  140. December 17, 2012 10:53 am

    How about an individual with integrity?

    Sorry, I thought we were discussing politicians here?

  141. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 17, 2012 11:11 am

    So Jackson is being investigated. That’s fine.

    I don’t recalled her being in parliament, or Gillard saying she had “complete confidence” in her or Gillard relying on her for the survival of the government.

    Last I recall, Jackson was a union official.
    ———————-
    When a pillar of the community is revealed as a compulsive sleaze and rorter, they may be inclined to suffer a sense of guilt. But I still can’t understand why the public is supposed to feel sorry for a rank hypocrite.

  142. December 17, 2012 11:26 am

    When a pillar of the community is revealed as a compulsive sleaze and rorter

    To whom are you referring there yomm? 😯

  143. December 17, 2012 11:27 am

    Maybe this one?

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    December 17, 2012 11:30 am

    It is hardly unusual for politicians to get a sense of guilt, after the event, particularly when they pretend to –

    • Be a pillar of the community Active in their church
    • Have religious convictions and moral strength

    …but in reality they’re leading a double life. What makes them think they can get away with it?

    We are talking about Abbott here? Aren’t we?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    when he comes out with better policy ideas than the government.

    Guffaw!

  145. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 17, 2012 2:15 pm

    2h Non-Specific Geek ‏@geeksrulz
    Abbott supports “heroic” HSU ex secretary Kathy Jackson http://youtu.be/KyaBSauZY2s Fraud Squad raids her office seizing 100’s docs #auspol

    Confirmation that Abbott has misled the Australian public – oh well, when it’s only the public or the ABC it doesn’t matter if you lie your head off, only counts in parliament.

    3h William Jones ‏@william7424
    @latingle @GeorgeBludger Comformation that Abbott has mislead the Australian public!
    http://bit.ly/XjaWEL #auspol #alp pic.twitter.com/3K5R55X1

    And yet another illegal activity from the protected one who never has to fear uncomfortable questions about character.

    http://tabvpolitics.weebly.com/1/post/2012/11/damage-control-at-high-alert.html

    …In her article Samantha Maiden alleges that in the run up to the 2010 election, Mr Abbott made overtures to a Liberal MP named Alex Somlyay, offering him a foreign post, if he became Prime Minister, but only if he agreed to quit politics and vacate his Queensland seat to allow former Howard minister Mal Brough to contest his seat on behalf of the opposition…

    …Abbott made him this offer in exchange for his co-operation and he is alleged to have repeated the claim as recently as 2 weeks ago. If true, the offer conflicts with section 326 (2) of the Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918. Under our constitution, it is an offense to offer incentives that affect an individuals decision to stand as a candidate at an election. It is considered ‘a bribe’ and is punishable by time in prison or a hefty fine. AS I said, had this story related to a member of the Gillard government, or the Independents, or Greens – the right leaning media would have been all over it like a rash…

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 17, 2012 2:45 pm

    Recently I was browsing the blogs, and I noticed someone contributing under their own name, a former official of a union who made a very significant contribution to their union and who had beneficial impact on the lives of the union members.

    Their contribution went unnoticed (it appeared), and others seemed to simply miss the depth of experience and capability that was provided in the brief commentary.

    I find it odd when blog contributors get so caught up with the immediacy of the exchange they miss the opportunity to hear from someone who might offer a little more insight to some of the political and industrial shenanigans.

  147. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 17, 2012 2:54 pm

    well, Im interested to check it out tomM

    who is it? link please.

  148. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 17, 2012 3:56 pm

    “Under our constitution, it is an offense to offer incentives that affect an individuals decision to stand as a candidate at an election”

    Even if true the problem is he was already elected so there was no “decision to stand” involve.

    And that’s if its true which it probably isn’t. Just “unnamed sources” I’ll bet

    “…..had this story related to a member of the Gillard government, or the Independents, or Greens – the right leaning media would have been all over it like a rash…”

    Here we jump into that special fantasy zone occupied by the Left where an allegation is concocted then great outrage follows that had it been “their team” the much fantasized bias of the Media towards a story that might not even be true would have been again proven.

    ROFLMAO

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    December 17, 2012 4:33 pm

    Even if true the problem is he was already elected so there was no “decision to stand” involve.

    It was well known in Queensland at the time … and each sitting member has to vacate his/her seat for the next election … on polling day there are no “sitting” members …

    Just “unnamed sources” I’ll bet So your “betting” but from a high horse FMD! …

  150. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 17, 2012 4:37 pm

    I thinks it’s probably best if I just let it pass.

  151. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 17, 2012 4:40 pm

    …and just to change the subject… I think the attack on Kathy Jackson has had far more misogyny about it than the scrutiny of Gillard.

  152. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 17, 2012 4:50 pm

    “Just “unnamed sources” I’ll bet So your “betting” but from a high horse FMD! …”

    The NSW Constitution has the same provisions yet the former ALP Deputy Premier of NSW John Watkins resigned from Parliament in 2008 when he was offered the position of Chief Executive Officer of Alzheimer’s Australia.

    That’s a fact as stated by him at the time unlike the unsubstantiated rubbish the Left throws up all the time in order to smear Abbott.

    What hypocrisy !

    Then of course there was Bob Car resigning to join Macquarie Bank immediately.

    But they are on the “Left Team” so we dare not mention them

  153. Tom R permalink
    December 17, 2012 6:00 pm

    I thinks it’s probably best if I just let it pass.

    Why not, we all do with all of your other posts 😉

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    December 17, 2012 6:54 pm

    But they are on the “Left Team” so we dare not mention them

    Er, you just did …

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    December 17, 2012 8:39 pm

    Quiet here, so I nipped over for a coffee …

    … most clients are really noice but I see that they still have the earthmovers call in and drop $#!t all over the floor … not a place I’d like to post at … waltzing through the muck all over the floor … still they might get the insecticide in 2013 …

    Sleep tight … etc

  156. el gordo permalink
    December 17, 2012 8:47 pm

    ‘not a place I’d like to post at …’

    Pity, a head to head with Treeman would be great sport.

  157. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 17, 2012 10:27 pm

    “…If you work in IT, you know that setting a clock even 1hr out your network will fall over, the tolerances for Windows Server is 5 minutes difference in time. Even if you set a different timezone, Windows Server will not accept login credentials from a client computer if the time is more than 5 minutes out.”

    Thanks for that earlier piece of comedy from your self titled “computer expert” AO.

    The person you so enthusiastically linked to claimed vast experience in IT ( it must have been putting the foam in the packing boxes I’d say) LOL

    It appears that the noggins running the Parliaments computers have today confirmed that Abbotts office is absolutely correct.

    Poor old Lefties caught out lying and smearing yet again.

    Roll On Floor Laughing My Arse Off

  158. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 17, 2012 10:36 pm

    “…….”But they are on the “Left Team” so we dare not mention them””

    “Er, you just did …”

    Wow I would have thought the “we” was referring to the Left.

    I’ll try and put it really simply next time so those North of the Border can understand.

  159. Even Tide permalink
    December 17, 2012 11:18 pm

    It appears that the noggins running the Parliaments (sic) computers have today confirmed that Abbotts (sic) office is absolutely correct

    Got a link for that? Or are you relying on a spokesperson from Abbott’s office?

    I notice that you have built a political ‘back door’ by using ‘appears’. But then again I’d expect nothing less from a TAFE graduate (perhaps)..

  160. Even Tide permalink
    December 17, 2012 11:30 pm

    I’ll try and put it really simply next time so those North of the Border can understand.

    Well I suspect you will ‘try’ but if any of your efforts to date are typical then you will fail. So those ‘North of the border’ will again brush you off with much merriment.

  161. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 18, 2012 2:05 am

    And that’s if its true which it probably isn’t. Just “unnamed sources” I’ll bet

    you’d bet wrong …again. Alex Somlyay was the MP and he made it public. There was an unnamed source, but it was a liberal party stooge.

    http://www.vexnews.com/2012/11/the-criminalisation-of-politics-are-our-political-leaders-pm-gillard-and-tony-abbott-crooks/

    It appears that the noggins running the Parliaments computers have today confirmed that Abbotts office is absolutely correct.

    I expect they confirmed that there is a computer date problem. Did they confirm how it arose? They also said it’s the first they’ve heard about it.

    sortius ‏@sortius
    @davrosz @TonyIKnow The email sent from DPS actually raises more questions than it answers: original PDF doesn’t suffer “z date” problems.

    7h sortius ‏@sortius
    @mrsrockoyster @independentaus @BernardKeane indeed, especially since DPS explanation really doesn’t fit with what the original PDF shows

    5h Victoria Rollison ‏@Vic_Rollison
    @sortius so the media release was written on a computer outside of Abbott’s office network that had incorrect time stamp or Abbott is lying?

    5h sortius ‏@sortius
    @Vic_Rollison I’ve had it confirmed that it was made by a Lib staffer, but the original PDF doesn’t exhibit symptoms the DPS email claims

    Intrepid Fear ‏@intrepidfear
    @sortius the ‘modified’ one has different xref tables and looks generally speking, significantly modified. Not just a simple date change

    sortius ‏@sortius
    @Brad2428 I think the worst of this is that everyone seems to be ignoring that Entsch has confirmed that they did know beforehand.

    Judythe Riley ‏@muso1947
    @sortius Are the Australian`s claims correct, or is this more evidence of media coverup?

    8h sortius ‏@sortius
    @muso1947 DPS’s claims that the problem was with “z dates” is wrong as the original has no “z date”

    8h Time Stamp Observer ‏@BarossaObserver
    @woolkebb @sortius @eleanorbloom @hoboviews It is interesting – and instructive – that the response of every tech-head was “bullshit”.

    sortius ‏@sortius
    @hoboviews @z3n_digital @eleanorbloom for govt accountability timing is vital, having such a glaring problem for 8 mths just doesn’t add up

  162. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 18, 2012 2:25 am

    http://sortius-is-a-geek.com/?p=2626

    chinda63 14/12/2012 at 11:12 · Reply →
    Take a look at the PDFs linked above. Very interesting “created” dates/times … and also very interesting “modified” dates/times.

    When Abbott first came out with his statement, many Twitterers commented on how quickly he seemed to have prepared a fully-fledged response, considering he claimed to have heard about it first by reading the morning’s paper.

    It was a Saturday morning, remember. Not a normal work day, so it’s not like his staff would have been already sitting in the office in front of a computer and able to quickly knock up a statement. Some “assemblage” would have been required. It all seemed far too quick and well-prepared for many.

    Now, note also the modifications were done within an hour of getting to work on the Monday.

    I reckon over the course of the weekend they realsed they might have to do a bit of arse-covering and made some amendments to the original documents.

    The question is what did they change and why?

    The Masked Crusader 14/12/2012 at 12:35 · Reply →
    Abbott & his Staffers have form regarding altering historical documents. The online transcripts of Tony Abbott’s media interviews are altered to delete “mistakes” using the E&OE (errors & omissions edited) as a disclaimer on all of his online transcripts. What is missing in the online transcripts is any reference or notation as to where any of the documents have been altered.This was reluctantly & frostily confirmed by a female staffer in Tony Abbott’s office when I rang his Canberra office to question why an interview I had recorded differed from the online transcript as noted on Mr Abbott’s website. It was related to Mr Abbott’s outrageous & false claims regarding the cost impact on power prices of the so called “carbon tax” in Western Sydney. Will post more info & supporting evidence on this shortly.

  163. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 18, 2012 2:53 am

    The Tony Abbott prophecy

  164. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 18, 2012 8:48 am

    “I expect they confirmed that there is a computer date problem. Did they confirm how it arose? They also said it’s the first they’ve heard about it.”

    Here you go KL. And do note that all computers attached to the DPS network are for security reasons supplied by the DPS itself

    http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/abbotts-office-has-computer-problem-dept-20121217-2bj4m.html

  165. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 18, 2012 8:52 am

    “Sortius” whoever he is is a pretty pathetic geek it would seem LOL.

    Like I said I think his 10 years of “expertise” is in foam packing of computers rather than complicated networks themselves as the DPS has confirmed basically everything he said was impossible.

  166. December 18, 2012 8:55 am

    from the age article

    “In this case, the local time information was replaced by a ‘z’.

    From Sortius
    http://sortius-is-a-geek.com/?p=2626

    I’ve seen the email, & posted the timestamps for the original document, it seems that this explanation is incorrect as the original document does not use “z date” format.

  167. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 18, 2012 9:13 am

    Oh I see………….So now the DPS is controlled by the Hate Media

  168. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2012 9:32 am

    So…does all this prove Craig didn’t spend a few thousand of his members cash on prostitutes?

  169. December 18, 2012 9:39 am

    So now the DPS is controlled by the Hate Media

    Not at all. I would assume the DPS is going on the information they have at hand. The problem might lay there?

    It certainly appears that there is a discrepancy between the document the DPS is talking about, and the one supplied to Sortius

    I think it proves that there are certainly ‘questions to answer’ 😉

  170. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 18, 2012 9:45 am

    “………there is a discrepancy between the document the DPS is talking about, and the one supplied to Sortius” that he is wildly speculating about

    There ya go………….. In the true spirit of Christmas I fixed that up for you for free.

  171. December 18, 2012 9:49 am

    that he is wildly speculating about

    err, no speculating. He is an IT admin expert, who knows what he is talking about. Verify it for yourself if you wish.

    Although, considering the past year of wild speculation which has emerged to be a grubby conspiracy to bring down a Government, then it is really the journos who should be asking this question, not people with jobs of their own.

  172. December 18, 2012 9:56 am

    It could all turn out to be nothing, but, at least someone is asking

  173. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 18, 2012 10:03 am

    “He is an IT admin expert, who knows what he is talking about.”

    He has absolutely no access to the DPS hardware or software which means he is sitting on the sidelines speculating
    ******************************************************************

    “I have emailed DPS in regard to the inconsistencies with” ……..my particular views

    Fixed it again TomR

  174. December 18, 2012 10:10 am

    Keep fixing it 2d, but I’ll be interested in how this plays out. Of course, I don’t expect to hear a whole lot, unless of course tabot has done nothing wrong. Then we’ll certainly hear about it.

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    December 18, 2012 11:15 am

    Wow I would have thought the “we” was referring to the Left.

    Firstly, if you’re going to play silly buggers with your sock puppets, answer the comments you made with the “original” sock puppet … I know who you are but have a thought for the lurkers … I know you think it makes it look like someone is agreeing with, you ‘couse nobody else does but it just makes you look like a Wally … and talking to yourself can be dangerous and habit forming … maybe try ibogaine? 😛

    Secondly … what you “think” is usually widely apart from what I think, (not being a member of the farnham Family Trust) so why would you “assume” that I can read your mind FFS (ie .. the “we” was 🙄 ) … I know communication is not your strong point but please take the receiver into consideration when sending your “message” …

    I don’t have a Liberal party Crack’d Crystal Ball either …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So…does all this prove Craig didn’t spend a few thousand of his members cash on prostitutes?

    Loook over THERE!

  176. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 18, 2012 11:27 am

    “…please take the receiver into consideration when sending your “message” ..”

    But…………But…………..But……….I will…………I had already promised in future to take into account those “North of the Border”.

  177. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2012 11:48 am

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/campbell-newman-canvasses-business-for-break-from-federal-ir-law/story-fn59noo3-1226538690172

    THE Queensland government is seeking business support for a contentious proposal to withdraw up to 380,000 small business employees from the federal industrial relations system and re-employ them under state awards.

    Queensland Attorney-General Jarrod Bleijie will today release an issues paper that highlights business concern with the federal workplace laws, and calls for submissions on whether the state’s referral of industrial relations powers to the commonwealth in 2009 should be terminated or maintained.

    Go Queenslander!

  178. December 18, 2012 11:52 am

    Go Queenslander!

    Spoken like a vociferous supporter 😆

  179. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2012 12:07 pm

    Even former ACTU President Martin Ferguson says the wages settlements in the resources sector are unsustainable.

    It is time to begin dismantling the stifling, union friendly legal structure this government has imposed.

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    December 18, 2012 12:50 pm

    Go Queenslander!

    Actually, Noddy Newman, was born in Canberra … his hero JBP was a Kiwi … back to the fkn future … Noddy is not popular in Queensland – out of the frying pan into the fire – some folk are waking up to the fact that it might be more of the same voting for Abbott&The Thumsukkers too …

    We do actually live in the COMMONwealth of Australia … time we got rid of all state politicians and governors and became a country with the same laws … this state for state crap has the most negative impact on our economy … and costs – how much do the state governors cost I wonder …

  181. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 18, 2012 1:00 pm

    Current Federal Retail Award…………

    Minimum Weekly Wages

    Retail Employee Level 1 $666.10
    Retail Employee Level 2 $682.00
    Retail Employee Level 3 $692.60
    Retail Employee Level 4 $706.10
    Retail Employee Level 5 $735.20
    Retail Employee Level 6 $745.80
    Retail Employee Level 7 $783.10
    Retail Employee Level 8 $815.00

    29.2 Overtime
    (a) Hours worked in excess of the ordinary hours of work, outside the span of hours (excluding shiftwork), or roster conditions prescribed in clauses 27 and 28 are to be paid at time and a half for the first three hours and double time thereafter.

    (b) Hours worked by part-time employees in excess of the agreed hours in clause 12.2 or as varied under clause 12.3 will be paid at time and a half for the first three hours and double time thereafter.

    (c) The rate of overtime on a Sunday is double time, and on a public holiday is double time and a half.

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2012 1:11 pm

    People are finally waking up that industrial relations is only a political football because of union affiliation with the ALP.

    The unions fund the political enemies of the Liberals and the Libs try to undermine the source of the funds.

    Get rid of the affiliation and we can start pushing the politics out of employment regulation.

  183. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 18, 2012 1:16 pm

    TomR
    How do you manage to get images in the comment box? I’ve tried and it never works for me.

  184. December 18, 2012 1:31 pm

    The only ‘images’ I can put up AO are actually twitter links. If you click on the time in the time stamp on a twits post, and then copy the url from that page, it generally appears in wordpress blogs as an ‘image’ (actually, it’s a blockquote that wordpress appear to have a specific class of display for)

  185. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2012 1:52 pm

    ”ONE of Australia’s biggest builders, Lend Lease, is to be banned from Victorian government work for up to four years after it breached the state’s tough new rules on union-friendly deals.

    The move could cost the company billions of dollars of work. Sources said the ban would last for the length of its four-year agreement with the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union, unless it revamps the deal.

    The move will have significant ramifications for the building industry, with Lend Lease one of its biggest players alongside Leighton Holdings.

    The ban is an attempt by the Baillieu government to transform Victoria’s industrial relations culture and weaken the power of the state’s aggressive building unions in a bid to drive down costs.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/baillieu-slaps-ban-on-lend-lease-20121217-2bjre.html#ixzz2FMrpBEif

    So Lend Lease has taken a punt that the Liberals won’t win the federal election, or if they do, there won’t be much spending.

    Melbourne’s construction costs are about 25% higher than Sydney’s, and it is mainly due to chain dragging work practices.

    Daniel Grollo looks well placed to pick up a slab of work.

    Will other conservative states impose similar rules? Will an Abbott government?

  186. December 18, 2012 1:56 pm

    The real question in the Ashby-Brough scandal is simple. Does Tony Abbott take the integrity of our democratic institutions seriously – as he claims – or doesn’t he

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    Actually, I think he meant it as a serious question 😯

    http://newmatilda.com/2012/12/18/abbott-must-sack-brough-over-ashby

  187. December 18, 2012 1:59 pm

    The ban is an attempt by the Baillieu government to transform Victoria’s industrial relations culture and weaken the power of the state’s aggressive building unions in a bid to drive down costs.

    So, they are willing (for others) to lose billions in order to pay people less? 😯

    Yea, libs, friends of business :lol 😆

  188. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 18, 2012 2:05 pm

    Thanks tomR [I await confirmation from 2dt shock jock as to whether abbott’s office says it is possible]

    You have to wonder about a mindset that would dismiss expert, informed opinion as mere ‘speculation’ yet is happy to believe any old political stitch up, nonsensical ‘sceptic’ and vested opinion and any excuse uttered on behalf of their ‘team’ no matter how incredible sounding or motivation querying it is!

    Just proves that there is no genuine thought involved, simply team barracking. How do these people function in daily life – just do as they’re told, ask no questions and suckhole big time? Life with head stuck up someone else’s arse, they are the walking dead, the zombies for rent/hire!

    Anyway, let’s talk about unions=BOO!

    2DT Shock Jock PERMALINK
    December 18, 2012 1:00 pm
    Current Federal Retail Award…………

    Now, how about putting up your wage rate? and do you even bother to work week-ends or after business hours?

    testing…

    The real question in the Ashby-Brough scandal is simple. Does Tony Abbott take the integrity of our democratic institutions seriously – as he claims – or doesn’t he

    He takes them seriously, he invests heavily in his moles and works hard to ensure that the liberal party mafia have infiltrated every democratic institution in the country.

  189. December 18, 2012 2:17 pm

    But AO, isn’t blewitt an expert?

  190. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 18, 2012 2:29 pm

    an expert in grubbery, sleaze and illegal activities, that is a highly valued qualification in lib HQ, some like tony abbott have advanced practitioner status.

  191. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 18, 2012 2:43 pm

    http://www.therefinedgeek.com.au/index.php/2012/12/18/a-tale-of-woe-and-pdf-creators-or-dig-up-abbott-dig-up/

    …Reporters have since been granted access to the PC and shown similar files which seem to suffer the same Zulu time zone problem that apparently plagues the press release in question. What wasn’t investigated was whether or not files created in the way that Sortius has shown suffer from the same issue, I.E. is there an on-going technical issue with that particular computer or are those files the result of the same kind of tampering that the press release appears to have undergone. That would go some way to explaining what’s going on here but it doesn’t explain why the time stamp shows a Zulu time zone which Microsoft word isn’t capable of producing…

    Now this doesn’t necessarily mean that Abbott was aware of this information but it does implicate that someone working for him did. In attempting to track down just who it was who created the PDF I came across 2 probable people (one person who I think works at DPS and a Brisbane based ghost writer) but I wasn’t able to verify it was actually one or the other. Whoever did write it would be able to provide some insights into this whole thing but it’s unlikely that they’ll ever come forward, especially considering the fact that they would’ve been working for Abbott at the time (and may still be).

    Qld liberals, as TB says, have no regard for the separation of powers.

    Tony Abbott was in qld at the time too.

    Democratic nations call a conspiracy to bring down a democratically elected government, treason, sedition or a bloodless coup, but in australia it is liberal party business as usual.

  192. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2012 3:08 pm

    …and we now have the government giving $400mill back to itself.

    In its desperation for a surplus, the government has plundered the foreign aid budget and is allocating the money to domestic programs.

    It’s all fine with this government.

  193. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 18, 2012 3:26 pm

    I’ve listened to Wilkie and Xenephon lately. They seem to share a political orientation that seems balanced and reasonable.

    They should consider a formal agreement and a political alliance/party.

  194. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 18, 2012 3:42 pm

    “You have to wonder about a mindset that would dismiss expert, informed opinion as mere ‘speculation’ yet is happy to believe any old political stitch up,…”

    That’s interesting

    So the Department of Parliamentary Services does not have a clue according to Kitty Litter since that’s whom I’m relying upon.

    Or perhaps they really are controlled by the Hate Media.

    Sortius claims he’s an expert and that’s all.

    At this stage I’d prefer to rely on the DPS as the experts. They have access to the hardware and software in question.

    Sortius is just brain farting speculation.

    But that’s the type of expert you have come to rely upon.

    Afterall there’s a conspiracy under every rock according to the Crazy Left

  195. December 18, 2012 3:45 pm

    So the Department of Parliamentary Services does not have a clue according to Kitty Litter since that’s whom I’m relying upon.

    Or perhaps they really are controlled by the Hate Media.

    Or perhaps it is simply a case of what I referred to above. 😉

  196. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 18, 2012 3:56 pm

    “Now, how about putting up your wage rate? and do you even bother to work week-ends or after business hours?”

    Wage Rate ?

    I don’t get paid an hourly wage. I get paid to do a job. Roughly $XXX per hour (Yes its 3 numerals) is my charge out but you gotta realize I’m saving up for a residential Kone Lift and supporting an American Express a Diners Club and a Visa card

    Weekends ?

    Not so much now but plenty in peak times past.

    After Business Hours ?

    Thousands of hours over the last 30 years and NOT EVER at any penalty rate

  197. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 18, 2012 3:58 pm

    “………In attempting to track down just who it was who created the PDF I came across 2 probable people ”

    LOL ……………I bet someone will next say……….

    “They shared the same Office”

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    December 18, 2012 4:25 pm

    Get rid of the affiliation and we can start pushing the politics out of employment regulation.

    The ignorance (in the true sense of the word) of IR astounds me …

  199. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 18, 2012 4:41 pm

    On a completely different subject

    The Second Amendment
    “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

    Definition of Militia
    “An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers. A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.”

    You gotta wonder why it is that the US courts don’t require gun owners to undertake military training (“well regulated”)and “be subject to call for service in an emergency.”

    I wonder how many would then want to own a gun if they :

    a) Had to give up burgers, fries and Krispy Kremes in order to get down to an acceptable Army Reserve weight.

    b) Could end up in the back blocks of Afghanistan ?

  200. Tom R permalink
    December 18, 2012 5:08 pm

    a) Had to give up burgers, fries and Krispy Kremes in order to get down to an acceptable Army Reserve weight.

    I’m Out! 😯

  201. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2012 12:54 am

    Roughly $XXX per hour (Yes its 3 numerals) is my charge out…
    …Thousands of hours over the last 30 years and NOT EVER at any penalty rate

    I guess you don’t need to when your hourly rate is a three figure sum.

    A lot more than the $20 per hour highest [level 8] retail wage that you posted above.

    And yet you somehow begrudge them any penalties 🙄

    unfknblvble

  202. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 8:26 am

    ‘Japan’s incoming leader Shinzo Abe has vowed to ram through full-blown reflation policies to pull his country out of slump and drive down the yen, warning Japan’s central bank not to defy the will of the people.’

    Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

  203. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 19, 2012 9:00 am

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/prima-facie-case-to-answer-on-awu/story-e6frgd0x-1226539989208

    By Terry O’Connor QC – former head of Western Australia’s Anti-Corruption Commission.

    THERE has been considerable recent media discussion about the 1992 incorporation of the Australian Workers Union Workplace Reform Association Inc and the involvement of Julia Gillard in its incorporation.
    In particular there has been conjecture as to whether or not Gillard has committed any offence in her role in the incorporation of the association.
    Before discussing that question, it is necessary to establish the facts. While some of the facts surrounding the incorporation are uncertain, there is sufficient on the public record to reach a view on what might be the legal position of those involved.
    In 1992 Gillard, then a salaried partner in the law firm Slater & Gordon, advised her partner, one Bruce Wilson, then an AWU official, and another official, Ralph Blewitt, on the incorporation of an association under the Associations Incorporations Act WA.
    In 1995 Gillard was interviewed by Slater & Gordon’s then senior partner Peter Gordon. It is implicit in what she said in that interview that Wilson and Blewitt, who were senior officers in the AWU, came to her seeking advice on how to deal with funds to be raised by them to pay the cost of their campaign for re-election to their branch executive.
    It would appear that her advice was to incorporate the association, which would open a bank account to hold the funds. In the interview with Gordon, she said that, “thinking behind the forming of the association (was that) it was better to have an incorporated association that was the holder of the account” to avoid disputes between officials as to who was entitled to the funds. Gillard prepared the necessary documents for the incorporation of the association.
    Section 4 of the act sets out the limited objects for which an association can be incorporated. If the purpose of the association does not meet the requirements of section 4, incorporation will be refused.
    The Corporate Affairs commissioner has a discretion to refuse incorporation in certain other circumstances. For these reasons it is important he is not misled as to the objects of any proposed association.
    Section 5 of the act requires that application for incorporation be made on the prescribed form, accompanied by the rules of the association and a certificate verifying that certain requirements of the act have been met.
    Gillard drafted the rules of the association. As drafted they set out a number of general objects for the association including things such as securing benefits for and, contributing to the safety and training of, workers. Significantly, as required by schedule 1 of the act paragraph 3(2) of the objects provides “no part of the property or income may be paid or otherwise distributed, directly or indirectly, to members”.
    In the formal application for incorporation, which was in the name of Blewitt, the main purpose of the association was described as being “development of changes to work to achieve a safe workplace”. The application also certified that the association was not formed for the purpose of providing a pecuniary benefit to members.
    Importantly, nowhere in either the rules of the association or the application for incorporation is the real purpose of the association set out, namely to raise funds to pay for officials’ re-election campaign. Indeed as noted above paragraph 3(2) of the rules expressly prohibits that.
    There has been no explanation from those involved as to why the real object or purpose of the association was not set out in the documents. In the absence of such explanation it appears that the proponents may have believed that, if the real object was disclosed the association would not have been incorporated because of subsection 4(2) of the act which prevents the incorporation of an association where the members receive a pecuniary benefit from the activities of the association. Whatever the reason for the failure to disclose the real object, the fact remains it was not disclosed, as required by the act.
    The association was duly incorporated.
    Section 170 of the Criminal Code WA provides that “any person who, being required under a written law to give information to another person, knowingly gives information to the other person, that is false in a material particular is guilty of a crime and is liable to imprisonment for three years”.
    Section 43 of the Associations Incorporations Act also makes it an offence for a person to lodge a document with the commissioner which the person knows is false or misleading in any material respect.
    In this case the rules lodged did not state the real object of the association. The application, which certified compliance with the act, falsely certified that the association was eligible for incorporation under subsection 4(1e) of the act as an association of more than five members formed for political purposes when in fact it had only two members – Blewitt and Wilson.
    Under either of these provisions Blewitt, as the person who made the application for incorporation, in my view could have been charged with knowingly giving false information to the commissioner as he was aware that the objects set out in the rules were not the real objects of the association and that the certification in the formal application was false.
    Section 7(b) of the Criminal Code provides that where an offence has been committed, a person who does or omits to do any act for the purpose of enabling or aiding another person to commit an offence, is also guilty of the same offence and is liable to the same punishment as if he or she had committed the offence. A lawyer who advises a client to do something that would constitute an offence would be caught by this provision.
    Gillard advised Blewitt on the incorporation of the association and prepared the rules of the association and, following a query from the commissioner, wrote arguing for the incorporation of the association.
    The letter has not been disclosed so it is impossible to draw any conclusions about it. Gillard has maintained that she did nothing wrong but has not explained why she says that.
    However, without some explanation from her as to what occurred, there is, in my opinion, a prima facie case that she could have been charged along with Blewitt as she drafted the rules of the association for Blewitt knowing that the rules did not disclose the purpose for which the association was being incorporated.

  204. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 19, 2012 9:31 am

    “I guess you don’t need to when your hourly rate is a three figure sum.”

    Yes it was soooooooooooo stupid of me to go to fulltime University for so long then do a gruelling entry year into the ICAA.

    I should have just gone to the Beach rather than studied.
    I should have gone to the Cricket in Summer rather than study.
    I should have gone to the Football in Winter rather than studied.
    I should have gone to the Pub each night rather than studied.

    Then I could have got a job in retail rather than end up in my current financial mess LOL

    “And yet you somehow begrudge them any penalties

    unfknblvble”

    Obviously you dont bother talking to small retailers in your area as to how business is going.

    I’m constantly amazed at why the Left insists on all this money being thrown at Education and then when someone actually puts in the effort and as a result earns quite a deal of money from that effort they become an “ideological enemy” LOL.

  205. December 19, 2012 9:47 am

    she could have been charged

    But she wasn’t Bwahahhhaa sob And never will (cos wanting it doesn’t make it so)

    Gillard has maintained that she did nothing wrong but has not explained why she says that.

    😯

    Do these bozzos understand that you have to prove someone guilty, they don’t have to prove themselves innocent?

    Meanwhile, tabot hasn’t even read the judges findings, and still finds it incumbent upon himself to declare Slipper guilty and brough all clear

    Asked why he hadn’t read the December 12 judgment dismissing sexual harassment allegations against Mr Slipper, Mr Abbott said: “Because I am doing very important things for the people of Australia here in this country right now.”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/in-depth/tony-abbott-admits-he-hasnt-read-court-judgment-in-peter-slipper-case/story-fndckad0-1226540122139

    him leaving the country is important for us, I’ll agree. One wonders why a journalist didn’t think to ask why he continues to make claims in direct contrast to the judges findings. Does he hold the judge in contempt?

    So many questions, so little ink. Yet they find ink with which to ruminate on what could have been if only Gillard had actually done some thing wrong.

    muppets.

  206. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 10:31 am

    ‘Obviously you dont bother talking to small retailers in your area as to how business is going.’

    “How’s business?”

    This is the question on everyone’s lips in my town … its not looking good.

  207. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 19, 2012 11:10 am

    “This is the question on everyone’s lips in my town … its not looking good.”

    Yes Eg

    There has been a vast shift in consumer confidence and purchasing post 2008 and not all can be attributed to the GFC or On-line Shopping as the Lefties would like us to think.

    Small business is on its knees.

    People don’t trust this government as to who it will hit next and their pursuit of this “was never going to happen Surplus” means that people are wary about being whacked again to get to Surplus.

    Only an election can offer any new hope even if it’s Abbott.

  208. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 19, 2012 11:19 am

    Well, I think it is great to have someone here again who improves the quality of the grammar of contributors. Standards of spelling have also been in decline for months.

    It is just a pity that those who also used to tell us what we thought have self selected out.
    —————–
    I find the notion of an hourly rate a little like piece work. I prefer the HUGE daily rate and retainers.
    —————–
    ”The ignorance (in the true sense of the word) of IR astounds me …”

    Out of the mouths of ignorants innocents…

  209. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 19, 2012 11:36 am

    Yes I too find it amusing to be lectured on grammar by self important Lefties who cant spell.

    Talk about shoot yourself in the foot whilst its wedged down ya throat.

    Or perhaps……………. “Egg allow me to introduce you to Face”

    LOL

    If we spent all out our time correcting each other’s grammar and spelling none of the World’s problems would be solved. And we only have until Friday the 21st to do so.

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2012 11:59 am

    I’m constantly amazed at why the Left insists on all this money being thrown at Education and then when someone actually puts in the effort and as a result earns quite a deal of money from that effort they become an “ideological enemy” LOL.

    Well this Lefty finished primary school at 14, completed motor/m trade at 21, graduated at 42 (BBus.), I also have a few other quals … couple of years in the ADF, income went from $140 pw to $80 PF …

    Line/staff management and consultant background …

    … small business owner for 16 years and retired at 59 … never took holidays (I’d move jobs and just take the money), 15 hour days … brought up two kids … my old man was a painter and decorator … not many luxuries or money when I was growing up …

    I still get asked for advise by people who want to start a business … many of them expect to be millionaires and retired in five years … most have good trade or professional skills … most have no management qualifications or skills … 99% don’t understand budgets, planning or decision making … let alone the IR laws …

    So … I don’t think kids and desperate people should be paid a pittance to satisfy some incompetent “small business” owner’s wannabe, Robber Baron, dreams … in classless society (chuckle) people have either skills, knowledge and/or experience to offer those who want to “make a mark” in the world … or simply want to spend Mum’s inheritance* …

    (How to make a small fortune – start with a large one!)

    Personally I simply wanted to get away from the wankers running the businesses I’d worked for … I ended up advising them and being paid three to four times more than when I was an employee …!

    You’ll find that small business (ANY BUSINESS) run by competent people who know how to “hire & fire” and understand the value of training, supervision and motivation and have the right resources, don’t give a shit about your idealogical free labour market (ie I can only pay a $1 an hour but ask the customers to tip you) … competent employers simply understand the fairness of paying a decent wage for a decent days work …

    When I was studying management I was told that only 30% of the population is “upwardly mobile” … I said thank goodness for the other 70% … but that doesn’t mean I’m better than them … I’m just lucky enough be able to do what I can do …

    There are many things that I can’t do (many that seem simple)… but I admire the skill and knowledge that people demonstrate daily in the workplace … and good management is demonstrated by its people …

    The idealogical enemy is arrogance …

    *SA

  211. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 19, 2012 12:36 pm

    I scrolled up to try and find where someone was arguing for a $1 per hour wage but just cant seem to find it so I don’t know where that little “herring” came from.

    However should someone who works in retail and only on Saturdays and Sundays be paid a penalty rate ?

    Penalties should only be paid where someone has exceeded 7.6 hours (38 hours per week) on any specific day

  212. December 19, 2012 12:37 pm

    Good afternoon…

    Have I missed anything…?

  213. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 19, 2012 12:50 pm

    Not really…………

    We are about to have a shit fight over IR

    I’m a bit tired of AWU and HSU

    So trying to stir the pot a bit

  214. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 19, 2012 12:53 pm

    Anyway we are all going to be dead in just over 48 hours.

    So I’d cash in your return air tix and go on a food and wine binge if I were you

  215. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 12:59 pm

    ‘Only an election can offer any new hope even if it’s Abbott.’

    My sentiments exactly.

  216. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 1:11 pm

    Our accountants are shocked by what’s happening around town, like this is something seriously new.

    Joolya cannot survive this sudden economic downturn.

  217. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 1:17 pm

    Morgan has labor in front…. it may have something to do with joolya getting sympathy.

    ‘In mid December support for the ALP is 52.5% (up 5%) cf. L-NP 47.5% (down 5%) on a two-party preferred basis according to the latest face-to-face Morgan Poll conducted over the last two weekends, December 8/9 & 15/16, 2012.

    ‘This is largest lead the Gillard Government has held since holding the same advantage more than two years ago on November 20/21 & 27/28, 2010: ALP 52.5% cf. L-NP 47.5%.’

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2012 1:35 pm

    ‘Only an election can offer any new hope even if it’s Abbott.’

    That’s what they thought in Queensland .. ’til they voted in Noddy Newman’s Nailcutters …

    I scrolled up to try and find where someone was arguing for a $1 per hour wage

    It’s a metaphor, yer Wally … still if you don’t understand, humour, sarcasm, satire tc … it would be lost on you … typical accountant … (I know an accountant in his 70’s that can’t figure out why he can’t get any pension … he keeps telling them how much asset he owns – and exaggerating the value 🙄 … he’s income poor and still has a mortgage … and won’t sell anything, in case the market improves … 🙄 )

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Joolya cannot survive this sudden economic downturn.

    Wow! That’s big news, egg … where?

  219. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 19, 2012 1:35 pm

    Excellent Poll Result..

    I do hope she rushes off to Government House immediately ………….LOL

  220. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2012 1:42 pm

    …Yes it was soooooooooooo stupid of me to go to fulltime University for so long then do a gruelling entry year into the ICAA…

    …I’m constantly amazed at why the Left insists on all this money being thrown at Education and then when someone actually puts in the effort and as a result earns quite a deal of money from that effort they become an “ideological enemy” LOL.

    I really don’t care what you are paid, hope you are happy in your counting house.
    My problem is the downward envy that you display, the sense of entitlement and arrogant elitism. You actually believe that your work and worth is better than that of others, that you deserve more than most because of some weird idea that you work harder.
    You might have spent long hours at the workplace, but I very much doubt that sitting at a desk gazing out the window or maintaining the ‘network’ is productive time.

    I went to uni too and have a post grad degree [in my own time and my own money, no employer contributions].
    As a pubic service employee [and a in an industry dominated by female labour] the hourly rate on the top grade [of level 1] does not reach $50/hr, let alone three figure sums and there is little opportunity and job availability for advancement over the years with seniority and experience. There is no way in the world that I think you are more deserving of being paid 10-20 times more than nurses, teachers or even a grant dependent writer or artist. There is no way that I think your contribution to society is greater or you work harder than a manual labourer or a social worker.

    What makes you think that your qualifications and choice of occupation makes you superior to others who may not have had your advantages and opportunities in life?

    I really detest this idea that the elite have that they contribute more and are more valuable than those who they are happy to grind under their boots each day.

  221. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 19, 2012 1:49 pm

    “What makes you think that your qualifications and choice of occupation makes you superior to others…”

    I dont

    It’s the Law of Supply and Demand.

  222. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 19, 2012 1:56 pm

    “Now, how about putting up your wage rate? and do you even bother to work week-ends or after business hours?”

    “I really don’t care what you are paid“

    So why did you ask ?

    LOL

    I’d get that short term memory of yours checked if I were you

  223. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2012 2:08 pm

    Morgan has labor in front…. it may have something to do with joolya getting sympathy.

    Sympathy for being bullied, abused, discriminated against and defamed? Why should she?

    Could be that her government is actually getting things done behind the scenes rather than chicken little frothing and foaming that people can easily see are lies and fearmongering. Flinging mud, sleaze and filth each day and acts of treason upon the democratically elected and legitimate government just don’t cut it as an alternative.

    When the abbott can’t be bothered reading the documents that are the result of his own filthmongering, apparently ‘too busy’ on his publicly funded holiday. Won’t do the work that he is being paid to do, but happy to fabricate, plot and scheme scandal after scandal.

    Everyone else has their work performance, diligence and conscientiousness measured and evaluated, if they don’t put in the effort, don’t contribute to the betterment of the place they are tossed out.

  224. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2012 2:12 pm

    So why did you ask ?

    So I could point out your arrogance, elitism and undeserved sense of entitlement.

  225. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2012 2:18 pm

    hehe, the old supply and demand is the reason you feel you are superior to others?

    BS, capitalist twaddle to justify greed and profiteering off the backs of others.

    In that were true, nurses and teachers should be paid more than CEO’s!

  226. December 19, 2012 2:40 pm

    The word on Twitter street is that Slipper is today commencing action against Ashby…

    I wonder if Ashby is beginning to realise that he’s just been played by the Coalition and will be held out to dry like Godwin Gretch?

  227. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2012 2:49 pm

    The word on Twitter street is that Slipper is today commencing action against Ashby…

    Might we find out who is funding ashby?
    Whatever happened about ashby and the underage sex thing, where did that go?

  228. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2012 2:55 pm

    I wonder if Ashby is beginning to realise that he’s just been played by the Coalition and will be held out to dry like Godwin Gretch?

    Just collateral damage in the quest to secure an abbott victory, no biggie, not as if they are responsible for what happens to him or anything. Don’t ‘individuals’ control their own destiny, make their own opportunities and are held responsible for their own failures?

  229. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 3:00 pm

    where?

    roundabout

  230. December 19, 2012 3:05 pm

    I should have just gone to the Beach rather than studied.
    I should have gone to the Cricket in Summer rather than study.
    I should have gone to the Football in Winter rather than studied.
    I should have gone to the Pub each night rather than studied.

    Hard at is for some elitists to understand, but some people find themselves working 10 hours a day 6 days a week just to get by. That’s a simple fact of life, as some people don’t get the opportunities, luck or even foresight to take another path.

    Blaming people for not earning three figures an hour by being a bogan is so typical of vociferous supporters.

    Not everyone can get that sort of job, so try and understand how it is for those that can’t get that sort of money, instead of working out ways to rip even more off of them.

  231. December 19, 2012 3:06 pm

    Holidays over are they reb?

  232. December 19, 2012 3:10 pm

    journalism tips for todays idiots

  233. December 19, 2012 3:10 pm
  234. Visitor permalink
    December 19, 2012 3:18 pm

    Whatever happened about ashby and the underage sex thing, where did that go?

    The minors involved declined to press charges armchair opinionator.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/queensland-police-confirm-three-month-investigation-into-james-ashby-closed/story-fn59niix-1226492417106

  235. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2012 3:41 pm

    thanks visitor
    if the minors don’t press charges or refuse to co-operate, can the police bring charges anyway, since it’s against the law? [as they can do in cases of DV]

  236. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 19, 2012 3:43 pm

    “Not everyone can get that sort of job, so try and understand how it is for those that can’t get that sort of money, instead of working out ways to rip even more off of them.”

    Maybe they should try harder might be a start

    LOL at The Left and its politics of envy

    “Sympathy for being bullied, abused, discriminated against and defamed? Why should she?”

    Oh Dear…………..Seems there are lots of poor little down trodden Victims around here today

  237. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2012 4:07 pm

    Hard at is for some elitists to understand, but some people find themselves working 10 hours a day 6 days a week just to get by.

    Yeah, some of them stay with their pregnant girlfriends, becoming stuck in the daily grind, sacrificing their own career ambitions and aspirations by ‘doing the right thing’ for others.
    Guess it’s a morals and values thing, when people of character step up to shared responsibilities.

  238. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 19, 2012 4:18 pm

    “Yeah, some of them stay with their pregnant girlfriends…sacrificing their own career ambitions and aspirations by ‘doing the right thing’ for others.”

    Oh the Humanity !

    So that’s not their fault ?

    Psssssssssst…………………..Ever heard of contraception

  239. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 4:22 pm

    ‘where?’

    November unemployment sees a jump of 0.3% and according to Morgan we have a record number of Australians unemployed or under employed.

  240. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2012 4:26 pm

    Psssssssssst…………………..Ever heard of contraception

    There will always be unplanned pregnancies, some conservatives won’t even have contraception or sex taught in schools. What about rape? Who plans for that?

    Slipper seeks costs from Ashby’s lawyers:

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/slipper-seeks-costs-from-ashbys-lawyers-20121219-2bmpa.html

    …The costs awarded by the Federal Court usually amount to between 50 and 70 per cent of the actual proceedings, but costs awarded on an indemnity basis cover the whole cost, and are considered a punitive measure.

    It would be rare for the Federal Court to award costs on an indemnity basis, but some lawyers read the judgment handed down by Justice Steve Rares last week as a coded suggestion for Mr Slipper to seek unusual orders.

    Justice Rares pointed out that the Federal Court was given the discretion to make costs orders if the action was brought “vexatiously or without reasonable cause”.
    “Mr Ashby instituted the proceedings without reasonable cause because they were and are an abuse of the process of the court,” Justice Rares said…

  241. December 19, 2012 4:26 pm

    Psssssssssst…………………..Ever heard of contraception

    Psssssssssst…………………..Ever heard of fucking of and leaving her to fend for herself

    Maybe they should try harder might be a start

    One of your more ignorant posts, which is a effort in itself

  242. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 4:32 pm

    ‘The former parliamentary speaker, Peter Slipper, has taken the extraordinary step of making a costs application against the solicitors of the man who brought a sexual harassment lawsuit against him.

    ‘Mr Slipper applied to the Federal Court on Wednesday for Harmers Workplace Lawyers and James Ashby, the staffer who accused him of sexual harassment, to pay for the costs of his legal proceedings on an indemnity basis.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/slipper-seeks-costs-from-ashbys-lawyers-20121219-2bmpa.html#ixzz2FTNtbXC8

  243. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2012 4:32 pm

    “Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans.”
    ― John Lennon

  244. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 19, 2012 4:32 pm

    “Psssssssssst…………………..Ever heard of fucking of and leaving her to fend for herself”

    So that circumstance would all be someone elses fault ?

    What bizarre logic you Lefties believe in.

    Like I said…………….ever heard of contraception ?

  245. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 19, 2012 4:35 pm

    “One of your more ignorant posts,”

    Yeah whatever

    Unless someone has a disability or is a carer there is no reason to not self educate.

    Pssst …………….Ever heard of a thing called a “book”

    You can find lots of them in a Council Library

  246. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2012 4:40 pm

    “…Maybe they should try harder might be a start…”

    One of your more ignorant posts, which is a effort in itself

    More than ignorant, total disconnect from reality and human beings, common in those who sit in ivory towers counting $ all day.

  247. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2012 4:48 pm

    Anyway, why should the workers be the ones forced to sacrifice their wages and conditions because the employer is not profiteering as much as he would like?

    Why would capitalists expect that an unprofitable business should be artificially propped up? Following the laws of supply and demand shouldn’t the business be allowed to go bust allowing the owner to get out and work on wages for someone else who does it better?

  248. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 19, 2012 5:05 pm

    “More than ignorant, total disconnect from reality and human beings, ………”

    Keep those “victims” and “excuses” for accepting disadvantage coming……..

    I love reading all those “Economic Victim Impact Statements”

  249. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2012 6:01 pm

    So that circumstance would all be someone elses fault ?

    lol 2d. Think tabot you goose

  250. December 19, 2012 6:10 pm

    “Maybe they should try harder might be a start”

    What an ignorant, arrogant load of shit…

  251. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 19, 2012 6:18 pm

    The “child” was put up for adoption by both “parents”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Abbott

    I suggest you visit a library to lift yourself out of your ignorance. They have books you could read.

    Then again I think you might want to start in the Childrens section and work your way up.

    But then I’d say in your case ignorance is hardwired into your DNA

  252. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 19, 2012 6:22 pm

    “What an ignorant, arrogant load of shit…”

    So you just accept your “lot in life” do you ?

    You dont even try to improve your situation ?

    Just accept it all and rot at the bottom of the socio-economic morass.

    To that I’d say………….What an ignorant, arrogant load of shit…

  253. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 6:40 pm

    ‘Following the laws of supply and demand shouldn’t the business be allowed to go bust allowing the owner to get out and work on wages for someone else who does it better?`

    Ahh… I’m about to go bust, totally at the mercy of the system. Your viewpoint is narrow and misguided because there are no jobs for any of us.

  254. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 6:50 pm

    And in a deflationary spiral there is no business to sell.

  255. December 19, 2012 7:00 pm

    “So you just accept your “lot in life” do you ?”

    So you just assume that social hierachy is determined by effort or lack thereof, do you?

    Go read some children’s books yourself you elitist fuckwit.

  256. December 19, 2012 7:03 pm

    If everyone started on a level playing field you may have a valid point…but most of us live in the real world, so you are just as ideologically biased and blind as any staunch leftist I’ve ever encountered.
    Keep up with the condescension though. It becomes you.

  257. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 7:17 pm

    Robustness has returned … popcorn time.

    ‘So you just assume that social hierachy is determined by effort or lack thereof, do you?’

    In Australia, at the beginning of the 21st century, definitely yes.

    My money is on 2d.

  258. Tom R permalink
    December 19, 2012 7:27 pm

    You dont even try to improve your situation ?

    For someone who lectures others on reading, you don’t do a lot yourself do you 😯

  259. Road Runner permalink
    December 19, 2012 7:41 pm

    My money is on 2d.

    That fits in neatly with your 100% record of backing losers then.

  260. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2012 7:50 pm

    Ahh… I’m about to go bust, totally at the mercy of the system. Your viewpoint is narrow and misguided because there are no jobs for any of us.

    But, according to 2DT it’s the laws of supply and demand that determines why some people become wealthy arrogant elitists who think no-one else works hard.

    I do note that there was no reply or defence to my argument of what must be market failure.

    If that were true, nurses and teachers should be paid more than CEO’s!

    It seems to work for mine workers and some other male dominated occupations but fails nurses and teachers. They are in huge demand and there is a world wide shortage. So what has gone wrong, where does supply & demand fail?

  261. December 19, 2012 7:52 pm

    “My money is on 2d.”

    You are obligated to pump up one of your bandmasters, I suppose. *shrug*

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2012 7:59 pm

    I wonder if Ashby is beginning to realise that he’s just been played by the Coalition and will be held out to dry like Godwin Gretch?

    Didn’t that get a mention here by quite a few of us … early in the saga?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    roundabout

    … no wonder you support Abbott and his Acolytes here … all “roundabout” and no fact … (Why do I bother?)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Maybe they should try harder might be a start

    LOL at The Left and its politics of envy

    You really are Fuckwit™, Wally … no-one here is envious of you … in fact your posts indicate that you know nothing of compassion and care little for you fellow human being … ’tis all about look at me, me, me … and I can assure you, can’t buy happiness you’ll only rent it … eventually you have to give or its taken back …

    As I write, my daughter is packing hampers with my youngest g/kids to take to the Salvos … she reckons she’s rich – they just paid off their mortgage! … her husband spent almost 18 months in Saudi …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    November unemployment sees a jump of 0.3% and according to Morgan we have a record number of Australians unemployed or under employed.

    A “jump”?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Like I said…………….ever heard of contraception ?

    You always judge with no obvious knowledge … in fact the more I read the tripe above the more you remind me of Toad of Toad Hall* … rich, silly, stupid, self-centred, selfish, self-rightous and in need a of a few lessons in life … so which private school were you whelped in? Have you finished high school yet?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Your viewpoint is narrow and misguided because there are no jobs for any of us.

    Some of the unemployed … (5.5% I believe – meaning 94.5% employed – why DO we concentrate on the “unemployment figure?) … are unemployable … but Toad has a solution …

    … So you just accept your “lot in life” do you ?

    You dont even try to improve your situation ?

    Just accept it all and rot at the bottom of the socio-economic morass.

    To that I’d say………….What an ignorant, arrogant load of shit…

    There ya go, egg, welcome to the Liberal Party solution to you problem …

    … if you’re interested, egg, there are some Lefties here who may have some practical help … but I know how you love to lean right … sad ..

    And in a deflationary spiral there is no business to sell.

    What fkn deflationary spiral – do you live in Spain?

    In Australia, at the beginning of the 21st century, definitely yes.

    My money is on 2d.

    And you wonder why your going bust and you won’t get a job? (BTW, you told me you were on a pension) … fkn fiction writer … makes sense now …

    * Wind in the Willows – I read the books not just the titles. :p

  263. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2012 8:01 pm

    So you just accept your “lot in life” do you ?
    You dont even try to improve your situation ?

    But like you, I’ve been to uni [twice] and have post grad qualifications and work extremely hard. I’m in an area of great demand and under supply. Why am I not worthy of being paid as well as you?

    I haven’t heard of a world wide shortage of accountants.
    Who determines your lot in life vs “my lot”? Nothing to do with accepting ‘my lot’ I’ve done as much as you to better myself, it’s equality and equity we’re talking now aren’t we? [and basic humanity vs the arrogant elitism of capitalist ideologues].

  264. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 8:18 pm

    The free enterprise system works well and when the terms of trade move against us we have to be innovative to remain viable. This is particularly true in small business

    Australia has a safety net (unemployment benefits) for those who cannot climb out because nobody wants their product or service. In Communist China they aren’t so lucky.

    I don’t begrudge anyone their wealth, they pay their taxes and have achieved what they have through hard work. By comparison there is a huge under class of permanent welfare recipients who have no future in the workforce.

    I know plenty of scammers.

  265. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 19, 2012 8:20 pm

    Half the population’s “lot” in life [no matter how hard they work to improve]:

    “I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons”

  266. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 8:22 pm

    all “roundabout” and no fact … (Why do I bother)’

    I’m reporting from the front line on the looming recession.

    How’s yer new car feel?

  267. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 8:26 pm

    ‘In November 2012 an estimated 1.229 million Australians (10.0% of the workforce, up 0.3% in a month) were unemployed…’

    Roy Morgan

  268. December 19, 2012 8:31 pm

    “* Wind in the Willows – I read the books not just the titles”

    Amen…

    Have you finished ASOI&F book 5?

  269. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 8:33 pm

    I’m on a pension of $100 a week, my income from the business over the years has been a third of the minimum wage and for over a month there has been no money for wages.

    Its Xmas and I have $9 to my name and carrying debt, but we remain philosophical.

  270. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2012 9:14 pm

    How’s yer new car feel?

    … really good, thank you … never thought I’d actually buy another car – let alone a new one … first fill of fuel today … 500+kl on the clock …

    … I’ve weathered a few recessions … none on my horizon at the moment… who do you get your info from? (In fact I went into business in 1992 – you know, the recession we had to have?

    Its Xmas and I have $9 to my name and carrying debt, but we remain philosophical.

    Hang in there, egg, one door closes and another one opens …

    … I still have the last dollar we had back in 1979 (been unemployed for six weeks) … I mowed over it (its laminated now in my study) … two little kids, a mortgage, and, like you, no income … then the phone rang … changed my life …

    Toad, wouldn’t understand that though … its all your fault – apparently …

    Money won’t make you intelligent, nor will education … it’s what you do with both resources that makes the difference …

  271. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2012 9:19 pm

    Have you finished ASOI&F book 5?

    Still on Book Four, Ser Tee

    About 250 pages to go from memory … and then to Book Five … any news on Six?

    Waiting to get hold of Series Two on BD in January … JBHFI price $65 best so far … expect to do better …

  272. December 19, 2012 9:20 pm

    Aaaah, it’s IATJAWS/Walrus/etc.

    It makes more sense now…(& apologies for the epithets, I mistook you for an unknown, callous arsehole 😉 )

  273. December 19, 2012 9:22 pm

    “Hang in there, egg, one door closes and another one opens … ”

    Copy that!

    I take no pleasure in someone losing their job. We’re all closer to the ruthless edge of the razor than we’d care to anticipate.

    Good luck, eg. 🙂

  274. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 9:23 pm

    ‘Hang in there, egg, one door closes and another one opens …’

    We aren’t too worried, I’m going down to Centrelink early tomorrow (to avoid the crush), clutching my quarterly from the accountant. You won’t believe this, but she hinted that a drop of two-thirds in our profit suggested we were being unscrupulous.

    ‘Historically, Karl Marx predicted that the petite bourgeoisie were to lose in the course of economic development…’

    He got that right.

  275. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 9:25 pm

    Thanx boss, it’ll be fine.

  276. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2012 9:41 pm

    We aren’t too worried ..

    Glad to hear that, egg …

    You won’t believe this, but she hinted that a drop of two-thirds in our profit suggested we were being unscrupulous.

    So all accountants are like, Toad, by the sound of it … its yer own fault … apparently …

    I have seen accountants squeal tho’ when they are cought out … pleasure or pain … 😆

  277. December 19, 2012 9:43 pm

    ” I mistook you for an unknown, callous arsehole ”

    ROFL… 🙂

  278. December 19, 2012 9:46 pm

    Chin up eg…

    One thing I’ve learnt, particularly seeing those less fortunate sleeping here in the streets, is that there will always be someone better off, and someone worse off than ourself.

  279. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 9:51 pm

    Yeah, she’ll be right Reb.

    Free enterprise is a wonderful system when a safety net is in place.

  280. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 19, 2012 10:11 pm

    Yes Toilet

    Read a post to Rebs first post today where I said something about IR and a ” pot”

    I was a bit bored today

    ROFLMAO

  281. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 19, 2012 10:38 pm

    “It makes more sense now…(& apologies for the epithets, I mistook you for an unknown, callous arsehole ) ”

    As opposed to a “known callous arsehole” ?

    Thanks for the support Toilet

    I think you are the only one to take the bait then spit it out.

    LOL

  282. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 19, 2012 10:45 pm

    “You won’t believe this, but she hinted that a drop of two-thirds in our profit suggested we were being unscrupulous.”

    WTF ?

    Or perhaps she fucked up the first quarter ?

    I’ve seen and heard of plenty of negative quarters for September. You are not alone not that it’s any consolation.

    Good luck eg

  283. December 19, 2012 11:15 pm

    + faaaaark!…bit slow on the uptake: me. Haven’t been around much lately.

  284. Even Tide permalink
    December 19, 2012 11:17 pm

    Good luck eg

    Indeed! But surely it’s just not down to ‘luck’? Note Wally’s ‘deep and meaningful’ earlier comments as to what his world view really is.

    So you just accept your “lot in life” do you ?

    You dont (sic) even try to improve your situation ?

    Just accept it all and rot at the bottom of the socio-economic morass

    Nice! And it’s coming from a ‘Professor’. LOL

    Perhaps his model is Sinclair ….

  285. el gordo permalink
    December 19, 2012 11:25 pm

    Thanks professor, this is the recession we have to have, apparently.

  286. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 19, 2012 11:30 pm

    Not quite eg

    It’s the one they refuse to acknowledge.

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    December 19, 2012 11:34 pm

    Thanks professor, this is the recession we have to have, apparently.

    Confused, egg, that one’s been and gone … where were you?

  288. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 19, 2012 11:38 pm

    Oh

    Something just washed up

    Any grammar lessons tonight ?

    Perhaps followed by some spelling lessons ?

    ROFLMAO

    Don’t try too hard as I’m on a boat going out of Broken Bay on a fishing trip so probably won’t see or bother looking for your response.

    Enjoy yourself N5

  289. December 19, 2012 11:49 pm

    “There are many things that I can’t do (many that seem simple)… but I admire the skill and knowledge that people demonstrate daily in the workplace … and good management is demonstrated by its people … ”

    Captured my professional mindset right there, TB.

    Any prick can laugh as they watch the new guy , on his/her first day, perform the same task they’ve been doing for the last 25 years.

    We all had a day one…many of us forget how that felt; and that we weren’t born proficient into anything.

    I acknowledge hard work, diligence, punctuality, acumen & an even kee. Lose your job next week & you will be advancing towards day one again, for the nth time.
    Hard cnuts absorb the impact & get on with it. The only alternative is forfeiting self respect & embracing mindless entitlement.
    As always, the birth lottery defines your position on the ladder of social imbalance…

  290. The Professor of Palm Beach permalink
    December 19, 2012 11:57 pm

    “Hard cnuts absorb the impact & get on with it. The only alternative is forfeiting self respect & embracing mindless entitlement.”

    You Right Wing Rusted on Retard

    LOL

    Enjoy the brickbats coming your way.

    Yup traitor …..LOL

  291. Even Tide permalink
    December 20, 2012 12:00 am

    Something just washed up

    Wally, use the toilet. Or perhaps your dingy isn’t equipped?

    As for ‘grammar lessons’. LOL. Surely you had those at the TAFE and you clearly failed. Which explains why you now work alone, Just sayin ..

    Don’t worry Wally I don’t have to ‘enjoy myself’ on a blog. My sexual activities produced a number of offspring. While your ‘hands on activity’ produced?. Perhaps confined to ‘wet spots’ on sheets? But only on the odd occassions, according to your admissions.

    No wonder you go offshore hoping for the fishy taste.

    Just sayin ..

  292. Even Tide permalink
    December 20, 2012 12:26 am

    As always, the birth lottery defines your position on the ladder of social imbalance

    Not quite. if it was (always) true then the myth of ‘equal opportunity’ as claimed by Wally would collape. All ideogically claims, if they are to be sustainable (and Wally’s is), must rotate around a certain level of ‘truth’.

    As for other ‘constructions of reaity’ and there are any number of possibilities. Perhaps tomorrow.

    But it’s generally true that if one is ‘kick started’, it’s an advantage.

  293. December 20, 2012 12:40 am

    I didn’t have time to do nuance; generally it matters.

    I’m a big believer in self. When all else is stripped away, it’s what’s left of our conscious biomass. 😉

    So, yes, this…”As always, the birth lottery defines your position on the ladder of social imbalance”..is derivative & fallible.

    Credit to those with a bit of luck & intestinal fortitude who claw themselves higher (particularly the rare few who are able to do that without walking on the heads of their peers).

    Still, I think we’re occupying the same headroom.

    As you say (& what I inferred)…”But it’s generally true that if one is ‘kick started’, it’s an advantage.”

  294. Even Tide permalink
    December 20, 2012 1:06 am

    Not really fishing’ for you Toilet, and I don’t disagree with your sentiments. But there are some ‘details’ I would want to explore. Perhaps at another another time?

    As for Wally,

    What can one say? I know that a a few ‘off spring’ and then their ‘off spring’ sort of changed my ‘view of the world’.

    Now I have a strong ‘committment’ to the future. it’s now in their ‘genes’ and mine. And for Wally?

    Yes i know, it’s cruel and unkind. But does Wally care?

  295. el gordo permalink
    December 20, 2012 9:33 am

    ‘You Right Wing Rusted on Retard’

    🙂

  296. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 20, 2012 2:15 pm

    I visited some friends last night and we discussed where I must be going wrong. Despite my education and hard work, being in a high demand and low supply industry, I still can’t earn a three figure sum per hour.

    Surprisingly, my friends agreed with jaws, I am obviously just accepting ‘my lot’ in life and not trying hard enough to get ahead.

    If I was really serious about it, I would have had a sex change operation by now.

    I dunno, it wouldn’t ‘feel’ right to me and besides, do high earning ‘others’ have to do that to get ahead? Why do some have to ‘try harder’ than others just to be equally valued and remunerated?

  297. el gordo permalink
    December 20, 2012 2:56 pm

    Kitty go back to uni and become an accountant… a sex change won’t be necessary.

  298. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 20, 2012 3:35 pm

    AO – society values wealth over health.

    That’s why people like Jaws & I charge unrealistically high fees, and people who merely look after the ill, frail and recovering get very little.

    So I think you need to package up health services and care as some form of a wealth acquisition strategy, then charge about $1500a day to deliver the “strategy”!

    With the right type of marketing with some impressive looking charts and a little scenario planning, you could make some real money. But you’ll have to start talking about wealth creation and value, rather than people and health.

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    December 20, 2012 3:43 pm

    AO – society values wealth over health.

    … and the rest of ToM’s post demonstrates a real issue with Über Kapitalism as we know it …

    Will China head the same way?

  300. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 20, 2012 4:05 pm

    “Wally, use the toilet. Or perhaps your dingy isn’t equipped?”

    Well at 19 metres with 3 bedrooms, 3 toilets ( 2 of them ensuites), 2 showers, a fully equipped galley and a dining room it’s the biggest f**king dinghy I’ve been on you idiot.

    “My sexual activities produced a number of offspring. While your ‘hands on activity’ produced?. ……..No wonder you go offshore hoping for the fishy taste.”

    I might be a Wealth Crazed Prick but you seem to have a language in common with Peter Slipper and his disgusting views on the female body.

    Real noice and really classy. A product of hanging about with schoolboys and their schoolyard humour no doubt.

    You must be a real big hit in mixed company

  301. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 20, 2012 4:06 pm

    Shock Horror

    Swan has finally walked away from his Surplus.

    Now who could have foreseen that I ask ?

  302. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 20, 2012 4:10 pm

    “That’s why people like Jaws & I charge unrealistically high fees, and people who merely look after the ill, frail and recovering get very little.”

    Great strategy ToM.

    Perhaps we could be lead generators for Kitty’s new business venture.

    I know a few people who look rather “ill, frail and recovering get very little” after they get my invoice.

    LOL

  303. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 20, 2012 4:36 pm

    “But only on the odd occassions, according to your admissions”

    Spellcheck ?

    Shakes Head

  304. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 20, 2012 5:44 pm

    So I think you need to package up health services and care as some form of a wealth acquisition strategy, then charge about $1500a day to deliver the “strategy”!
    With the right type of marketing with some impressive looking charts and a little scenario planning, you could make some real money. But you’ll have to start talking about wealth creation and value, rather than people and health.

    hehe, it’s already being done.

    As if the strongest union in the land, the AMA would allow their turf and wealth strategy to be eroded, it would be jackboots immediately to the frontline and heads stomped on at the mere suggestion!

  305. el gordo permalink
    December 20, 2012 6:12 pm

    ‘Will China head the same way?’

    Not sure, but if the US sells Alaska to China they might avoid the fiscal cliff.

  306. TB Queensland permalink
    December 20, 2012 6:37 pm

    Not sure, but if the US sells Alaska to China they might avoid the fiscal cliff.

    I’m sure Russia would like to buy in back … 😆

    biggest f**king dinghy I’ve been on you idiot.

    Even the biggest “dinghy” can run aground … eventually … is your dingy dinghy called Karma … or Titanic? Either would do nicely … 😛

  307. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    December 20, 2012 6:45 pm

    Its not my dinghy.

  308. TB Queensland permalink
    December 25, 2012 5:50 pm

    Read it and weep Abbott….

    Read this yesterday evening … this is going to BLOW UP next year and rightly so …

    As a mentioned when, Judge Rares, brought down his findings … a century ago these buggers would be in jail awaiting trial … two centuries ago they’d be tortured … three centuries ago they’d be hanged …

    There is surely evidence of conspiracy (a criminal offence) by most if not all the people mentioned … a serious enough crime … but then the breaches of Crimes Act, 1914, and Criminal Code, 1995, mentioned in the letter to the AFP will only compound the Liberal National Party’s, conspiracy to bring down a legitimate government of Australia …

    Wonder if the faceless men of the LNP (in Canberra and Brisbane) are merrily munchin their mince pies today …? 😈

  309. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2013 10:19 am

    G’day wifi, welcome … TDT has had a couple of iterations … reb is our hard working Blogmaester … 🙂

  310. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 16, 2013 10:50 am

    Now you see him

    Now you don’t

    We seek him here

    We seek him where ?

    OK

    So how did Wi Fi do that ?

  311. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2013 11:15 am

    I can think of one way … 😆

  312. January 16, 2013 1:18 pm

    “wi-fi” was a spam comment you gooses!

  313. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 16, 2013 1:21 pm

    Geece is the correct terminology for 2

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gooses

  314. January 16, 2013 1:24 pm

    FFS….!

  315. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2013 1:36 pm

    Chuckle … 😉

  316. Tom R permalink
    January 16, 2013 1:38 pm

    It’s all Geece to me 😯

  317. Tom R permalink
    January 16, 2013 1:41 pm

    What made 2dt assume reb was only referring to 2 anyway?

  318. January 16, 2013 1:44 pm

    Good point thank you Tom R, I was of course referring to our many thousands of readers..

  319. Tom R permalink
    January 16, 2013 1:54 pm

    spammers included. All are welcome 🙂

  320. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2013 3:56 pm

    Wally’s, become a bit more precious than usual just lately … very jumpy … thinks everyone is agin’ him …

  321. el gordo permalink
    January 16, 2013 4:48 pm

    ‘thinks everyone is agin’ him …’

    I’m not.

  322. 2DT Shock Jock permalink
    January 16, 2013 5:32 pm

    “Wally’s, become a bit more precious than usual just lately …”

    F**K OFF

    🙂

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2013 6:06 pm

    ‘thinks everyone is agin’ him …’ a general term. egg … not specific … FMD where do you people live?

  324. April 10, 2013 2:07 pm

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  325. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 2:18 pm

    fc3, seems noice …

  326. April 10, 2013 2:42 pm

    A friend of Catching Up perhaps…

  327. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2013 3:10 pm

    A friend of Catching Up perhaps…

    Nah … it mentions ebook and pc – but with full stops? – very old fashioned … sounds Scottish to me. 🙂

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