Coalition in Crisis as Case against Peter Slipper Crumbles!

I’ll reply to AO here…

AO – ” The subordinate was sending sexually suggestive texts to a trusting boss, a case of entrapment. Ashby was playing Slipper, reeling him in, creating a case that was planned in advance. Slipper is guilty of thinking Ashby was a trusted friend.”

Slipper held a powerful position. He was the most senior person in the house of Representatives, plus on his vote the government swung.

There is hardly a more powerful combination of forces outside the “ruling hack/powerbroker class”.

If Slipper was a company executive, who was played by the attractive lass in executive support, who thought it was a great way to get ahead, the company executive would still be hammered, perhaps relieved of his duties.

If it was a senior public servant who was besotted and sending the explicit texts, they would also get plenty of bad press.

Slipper got the job because Gillard needed to walk away from her written agreement with Wilkie. The entire affair has been sleazy and laden with dishonesty.

The entire affair has been sleazy and laden with dishonesty.

Precisely. But, I think you need to turn around to see who is driving the sleaze and dishonesty yomm 😉

The Teabag Tony I know
‘ is today enduring yet another Godwin Gretch moment with the Federal Court today tossing the sexual harassment case launched against former speaker Peter Slipper out of court.’
What a shame! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

It doesn’t bother me to have the Liberals exposed in playing the grubby game. It’s all just grist for the mill in consolidating our cynicism in political behaviour.

…but the key points (in my view) are-
• Gillard only put the sleazy Slipper into the job to get out of her written commitment to Wilkie (you know the one that delivered the Lodge to her and Hyacinth the Hairdresser)
• Slipper was the most senior person in the HoR.
• He had more power than just about anyone in parliament, having the deciding vote in a hung parliament, being an independent and holding the Speakership.
• It is always up to the organisational superior to set the tone and standard of behaviour in their dealings with a subordinate.
• Slipper had a sleazy reputation.
• Gillard was counselled by her colleagues against the appointment of Slipper.
• He still faces investigation on other rorts.
• Gillard has proven to be a dishonest Prime Minister.

The Teabag Tony I know
is not bright enough to realize this Dilmah_Moment will be another club the ‘left’ can use to beat him about the head with.

It doesn’t bother me to have the teabags exposed in playing the grubby game. It’s all just Tea for the Pot in consolidating our nonsense in teabag behavior.

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but the key points (in my view) are-
• Tony was the most senior teabag in the HoR.
• He had more power than any teabag in parliament,
• Ashby is sleazy
• Teabags chose to listen to Ashby and Gretch.
• Abbott has proven to be a dishonest Minister.

The Teabag are proving to be experts in the ‘search and replace’ discipline, but lacking in actual thinking ability.

They don’t make any contribution to the political discourse or factual information.

It doesn’t bother me to have the Liberals exposed in playing the grubby game.

And there we have it

the judge was ‘very critical of Mr Ashby working with other liberal party members with the clear intent of trying to harm mr slipper and also harm the government’.

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http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2012/12/12/3653230.htm
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This pretty much sums it up for me reb, (by the way great post, very funny.)

I hardly think the Coalition is suddenly in a Crisis.

The Public sees Slipper as owned by Gillard.

The” lovely”female SMS messages are public and the taxpayer has already paid Ashby $50000 to go away on a case that fell apart.

The taxpayer awaits the Cabcharge investigation .

We do such story’s make the news down there? This is just called “politics” here…

such story’s

What’s (translated as ‘what is’) with these yanks. Why use an apostrophe with ‘story’s”. No evidence of the ‘possessive’ aka know as ‘ownership’. No evidence of abbreviations as in “don’t we”.

But never mind. Here in Australia we have caught the same illogicalities with nouns such as the 1990’s (sic) or the1880’s (sic) and the like. And we now have ‘it’s’ (meaning ‘it is)’ instead of the ownership/possessive ‘its’ (natural possessive) when it comes to ‘its tail’ or whatever. Soon it will be hi’s head. It’s their’s. And her’s. LOL.

The thing is ETits only a silly season story and those who take it seriously are intellectually stunted.

Context is always important.particularly in this tawdry affair-

1. Gillard makes a written agreement with an ethical Andrew Wilkie to win government
2. Gillard walks away from her agreement
3. Rather than face the consequences of her breach of the agreement, Gillard recruits Liberal Slipper to become Speaker
4. Gillard keeps her numbers
5. Colleagues counsel Gillard not to appoint Slipper – reputation
6. Slipper continues with his snout in the trough behaviour
7. Ashby, in cahoots with the Liberals, launches an harassment claim
8. Slipper found to be a sleaze, and unfit to be Speaker, as anticipated in 5 – above
9. Judgment goes against Ashby and is highly critical of the Liberals
10. ALP barrackers forget to mention points 1 to 6 when claiming the moral high ground

… a century ago these people would already be arrested … a couple of centuries ago they would be hanging from a tree …

Glad you stopped there and didn’t keep going back 😯

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronikos_I_Komnenos#Death

blame the Feds ROFL

lol, so it’s not about an abuse of process, it’s about Labor stamping their little feet and going for revenge.

Emo has a way, and, he is forcing it back onto the front page

“This is a conspiracy of enormous proportions, and Mr Abbott will hope that it simply blows away and then he can get on to his next smear campaign,” Labor frontbencher Craig Emerson told AM.

“Mr Abbott will probably want to continue circling the earth and not land and answer these basic questions: What did he know about this? What does he mean by ‘no specific knowledge’?”

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-13/labor-ramps-up-attack-on-slipper-conspiracy/4425520

Sign the petition

To:
Attorney General, Parliament House, Canberra.
Inquiry into people involved with James Ashby acting against Peter Slipper
Sincerely,
[Your name]

Inquire away.

It’s* all just grist for the cynicism mill.

I’d also like to see an inquiry into how/why Gillard provided Wilkie with such iron clad guarantees when she was in no position to meet them.

Was she lying or just dishonest?

*Nice to have grammar police back on the job.

lol, abuse of process in order to try and overturn a Government is “It’s* all just grist for the cynicism mill.”

ROFL

Yea, I’m cynical, cynical about a political party that would deliberately abuse a legal process to achieve their ends, and cynicism of a media who have to be bitch slapped to wake up to what is going on around them on their watch.

I’m not overly cynical about machinations of political parties on each other, as is what happened when Labor chose Slipper, it’s just political maneuvering. What bothers me is the integrity of a party (and their cheer squad) who appear to hold our legal process in such contempt.

In theirABC’s defense, they still have Emo’s rant up there reb. Not exactly an analysis of what’s going on, more he said she said, but still it is there.

“People I know don’t care anymore coz they’re sick to death of the whole sorry charade..”

Amen, to that!

many happy returns to the minister of the TB house, hope you have a lovely day!

The Teabag Tony I know
is in Afghanistan today trying to prop up the ‘military’ demographic, that is more likely to vote ‘teabag’

Some laffs there with dick emery, love those silly walks!

I’m evenstarting to wonder about the trustworthiness of newspoll and anything that comes out of the oz. If newsltd journos will manipulate the ‘news/opinion’ so that the coalition is always advantaged, why wouldn’t they manipulate the poll that they own?

Can they be trusted to tell the truth on anything?

The Daily Trash Presents!
(in conjunction with, the Teabag Party and Afghan War)
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The Tony Abbott I know

Abbott complained he was taken out of context, yet when asked to explain the context out of which he was taken, Abbott froze everything save his nodding head, and said nothing for 24 seconds.

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http://www.smh.com.au/action/printArticle?id=2176066
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Shit Happens, another Dilmah Moment

Julia says she has no knowledge of the AWU scandal and the rusted on LNP supporters scream she is a LIAR.

Tony says he has no knowledge of the Peter Slipper scandal and the rusted on ALP supporters scream LIAR.

Naive people believe them both.

Idiots believe the press, whose bias is as evident as bulls balls.

People able to think for themselves and do a bit of investigation and are actually swinging voters know that there are lies and half truths in all of this. These people also accept an independent ruling from a judge rather than rumours and lies from the ringside seats.

The problem I have is an opposition has attempted to destabilise a legally elected government by underhanded and manipulative actions and this has been detected and exposed by a Judge. In addition our current Opposition Leader had his own slush fund to try and destroy Pauline Hanson, another political personality legally elected by Australian citizens (for better or worse) and nothing happens and it is all covered up. It seems destruction of anyone not a member of the LNP is the way of the Opposition Leader these days. Now isn’t that a great example of our democracy being set by Tony Abbott. You can vote for who you like, but if an LNP member is not elected we will do all in our power to destroy the MP, by any means possible, fair or foul, legal or not ( we just hope not to get caught) rather than at the ballot box.

More independently minded people offer more intelligent, sharper discourse

More independently minded people appear to not care that a current political party is abusing the legal process for their own ends, but has tantrums over 20 year old smear campaigns

Independently minded ❓ 😯

Not at all. I think the Liberals have been dishonest and I have no problem with this being pointed out repeatedly.

I also think Slipper is a sleaze, and should never have been appointed Speaker, just as various people told Gillard.

And Gillard did the grubby deal because she knifed Wilkie and had would do anything to retain power.

Have I got any of the issues here wrong?

I think the Liberals have been dishonest and I have no problem with this being pointed out repeatedly.

😯

I’d hate to see it if you had a problem 😉

Tis’ the season to be silly TB 🙂

Sortius isn’t 😉

http://sortius-is-a-geek.com/?p=2626

Abuse of process is a fair assessment.

Yes TB still in Penang . Will be here until Jan 3.

the ‘nixon’ of australian politics

1. Gillard made a written agreement with Wilkie to win government
2. Gillard must have known that the commitment was unconditional and she could not guarantee the commitments she made.
3. Gillard walked away from the agreement without even bringing the support of her own party to the vote.
4. Rather than deal with the consequences of this dishonesty she appointed Slipper to Speaker
5. Many of her colleagues warned her not to do this.
6. Slipper was already a proven rorter
7. Slipper continued his rorting and sleazy behaviour.
8. Slipper proved himself to be unfit for Speaker
9. The Liberals used dishonest tactics to demonstrate his sleazy behaviour
10. The Liberals can be legitimately criticised for point 9.

That’s my view of this episode, so I’m not quite sure why Gillard is trying to take some form of moral high ground.

AO, let’s hope Emo chases this one up

There is no legitimate view that my criticism of Gillard is “misogynist”. My criticism of her is all based on the clear evidence of her dishonesty.

Howard lost government because he was seen as dishonest, putting partisan interests in front of his public responsibilities. Though the attacks on his wife had more than a whiff of “misogyny” about them.

If Abbott had done the deal with Wilkie to deliver gambling, and walked away from it, and made a deal with a disgruntled ALP MP to avoid the consequences… I think the screeching from ALP barrackers would be deafening…and their complaints would be legitimate.

The fact is that Gillard is carrying so much baggage as a result of her dishonesty stretching back a couple of decades, she is not to be trusted, and that has nothing to do with her gender.

“I know the weapons argument will arise again …”

🙄

It seems passing strange to me, that there is any rearguard defence lamenting our lack of firearms proliferation here in OZ.
More weapons equals more opportunities for some deranged tnuc to shoot primary school kids & teachers…not the other way around.
The shooter wasn’t a part of the underworld. He was, apparently, a 20yo who snapped for whatever reason. If he hadn’t been able to put his hands on three of his mother’s firearms in the home it’s likely that he would never have been able to carry out such a slaughter.

There is no reasonable argument which justifies every adult citizen amassing an arsenal, that isn’t rooted in an irrational phobia of defending oneself/family from overstated boogeymanlike threats in the community.

More guns in the community= greater potential for multiple killing…

* sorry, TB.

Manufacturing Bullets is a legitimate american business, and our weapons industry has the absolute right to make a profit, including the machine-gun and small-arms makers.
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Who says a few “home-boys” shooting themselves or a few small children count ?

Not at all AO.

Howard was booted out half a decade ago. I’m only pointing out that this government shouldn’t take too much comfort from the factors that didn’t help his government.

Workchoices particularly demonstrates that no future government is likely to put its hard ideology too far ahead of the political tolerance of the electorate.

But the fact is that Gillard gets favourable treatment because she is a woman. No man could use the “young & naïve” excuse for transgressions that occurred in their mid 30s. They’d be ridiculed out of office. No man could get out of difficult questioning with the giggling, girly response that Gillard lapses into.

The ”…but, but, but …I’m a girl…” behaviour is wearing thin.

High minded australian do gooders continually miss the point. Our beloved amendments give americans rights that were hard earned by warfare. Our ancestors had to ‘fight’ for those rights and we americans will not give those rights away.
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We have the right to bear arms, that’s law and most americans will not stand for changing it.
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We have the right to pursue happiness. Profit brings many of us happiness, while shooting people brings others happiness.
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We in america will retain these rights and we understand that some small incidents will occur occasionally that may challenge these rights. It also helps if we have both major parties on the payroll.

No man could use the “young & naïve” excuse for transgressions that occurred in their mid 30s.

Oh? I thought tony abbott’s aggressive, threatening, intimidating and physically violent behaviour as a student was written off as just that. What about the ‘clean slate’ he declared for himself when he became born again as leader of the opposition. Why did he need to do that do you think?

You think his wink, nods and knowing smirks for the cameras doesn’t show him up as the hypocrite he is when he preaches the very opposite of what he practices?

Everyone knows that boys will be boys and he’s just a big naughty boy, doing what all aussie boys do when they belong to a gang of bullies eh?

‘severe pressure’

Abbott was a teenager, an age that anyone can claim youth and naivete.

He behaves the same way today – why do you think he’s been called out on the misogyny and sexism, never mind the illegal activities? [slipper/ashby]

I’m also happy for the Liberals to get plenty.

Except they don’t, that’s an enormous advantage given to them thanks to the murdochracy. They are protected from scrutiny, the most obvious example being the non-reporting of the slipper/ashby judgement, yet newsltd can keep 17 yr old unsupported trash in the headlines for years re gillard. If ashbygate did get reported it was on the back page with a slant endeavouring to put the coalition in the best possible light. The embedded newsltd stenographers/reporters write their articles exactly as handed to them by the liberal party or do their best to spin a positive for the coalition. Abbott’s foot-in-mouth offences are under reported and he is made out to be some kind of statesman when he is totally unsuitable for high office and an embarrassment in his own country let alone on the world stage.

Then there is the rest of them, teabag central [see link below] or jolly joe’s jesterings [how to make light of serious subject matters or off you go now nothing to bother yourselves about – remember gillard = bad].

http://www.independentaustralia.net/2012/politics/to-the-extreme-with-hard-cory-bernardi/

Ooopz A few of these keep the bad guys away.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/91401

It is hardly unusual for politicians to get a sense of guilt, after the event, particularly when they pretend to –

• Be a pillar of the community Active in their church
• Have religious convictions and moral strength

…but in reality they’re leading a double life. What makes them think they can get away with it?

Slipper would have known he was carrying plenty of baggage, but despite this he continued to engage in the same behaviour.

AO – can you tell me why we’re supposed to go easy on him?

Yes Slipper is a lowlife. To be despised. A rank politician. Ought to be dismissed at the next election. And in all likelihood that would be the outcome. A mere cypher in the history books.

He is a disgrace But still within the bounds of the political to and fro.

And then there are those who ‘conspired’ to bring down a legitimte government, including Pyne, Brough, Abbott, Bishop, et al. They attempted to attack the very basis of our democracy. Concepts like seperation of powers were completely disregarded in their lust for power. Presumably those who comment have read the judgement.

Conservatives? My arse. Liberals? Please. Radicals? Yep. Completely unprincipled.

Oh and I forget, Gillard has red hair. Shakes head.

http://media.theage.com.au/news/national-news/abbotts-popularity-hits-new-low-3895514.html

…Mr Abbott’s disapproval has risen three points to 63 per cent – the second highest for an opposition leader in the poll’s 40-year history – while nearly two-thirds of those aware of the issue were critical of how he handled the slush fund affair.

Labor’s two-party vote has increased a point to 48 per cent since mid-November but the Coalition, on 52 per cent (down a point), would still win an election held now…

Yep, its been a bit tawdry, but the monk’s popularity should improve next year when he comes out with better policy ideas than the government.

‘ the monk’s popularity should improve next year ‘
that aint gonna happen.
‘ when he comes out with ANY policy ideas ‘
and neither is that

‘ this is all months old, to the the New Media anyway,’
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You’re not suggesting teabag media are biased and don’t really know much about anything are you TomR?

There is more to Jacksonville than what Fairfox is telling us TomR.

Whats got me stuck is why Fairfox is doing what Junk-News-Corp would do. I can always understand Junk-News-Corp doing the denial routine and Junk-Facts, but I can’t remember when Fairfox was so stubborn.

“….because it common practice for the Liberals to accuse opponents of being slime-balls and harass them in the chamber and on television. One of them, Nick Sherry, attempted suicide — apparently as the result of Peter Costello’s incessant slurs. Another, Greg Wilton, succeeded, and is dead now and will not be alive again….”

Yet again the Left regurgitates one of its more disgusting lies by trying to capitalise politically upon the death of one of its own.

Why am I not surprised ?

“Mark Latham has made much of the suicide of Greg Wilton, using it as an
example of the treachery and poison in the ALP. It was obviously an
event that affected him deeply, as it did many people in the ALP at
that time. But Latham, like the media retelling his side of the story,
is not telling you the full story………..”

http://www.crikey.com.au/2005/09/16/the-real-story-of-greg-wiltons-suicide/

“Yes Slipper is a lowlife. To be despised. A rank politician”

And it was Gillard who wanted him as Speaker when she knew the Coalition was trying to get rid of him. Says all i need to know about Gillards judgement.

‘Perhaps it takes a rank politician to keep all the other rank politicians in line?’

That’s one perspective. How about an individual with integrity?

So Jackson is being investigated. That’s fine.

I don’t recalled her being in parliament, or Gillard saying she had “complete confidence” in her or Gillard relying on her for the survival of the government.

Last I recall, Jackson was a union official.
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When a pillar of the community is revealed as a compulsive sleaze and rorter, they may be inclined to suffer a sense of guilt. But I still can’t understand why the public is supposed to feel sorry for a rank hypocrite.

Maybe this one?

2h Non-Specific Geek ‏@geeksrulz
Abbott supports “heroic” HSU ex secretary Kathy Jackson http://youtu.be/KyaBSauZY2s Fraud Squad raids her office seizing 100’s docs #auspol

Confirmation that Abbott has misled the Australian public – oh well, when it’s only the public or the ABC it doesn’t matter if you lie your head off, only counts in parliament.

3h William Jones ‏@william7424
@latingle @GeorgeBludger Comformation that Abbott has mislead the Australian public!
http://bit.ly/XjaWEL #auspol #alp pic.twitter.com/3K5R55X1

And yet another illegal activity from the protected one who never has to fear uncomfortable questions about character.

http://tabvpolitics.weebly.com/1/post/2012/11/damage-control-at-high-alert.html

…In her article Samantha Maiden alleges that in the run up to the 2010 election, Mr Abbott made overtures to a Liberal MP named Alex Somlyay, offering him a foreign post, if he became Prime Minister, but only if he agreed to quit politics and vacate his Queensland seat to allow former Howard minister Mal Brough to contest his seat on behalf of the opposition…

…Abbott made him this offer in exchange for his co-operation and he is alleged to have repeated the claim as recently as 2 weeks ago. If true, the offer conflicts with section 326 (2) of the Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918. Under our constitution, it is an offense to offer incentives that affect an individuals decision to stand as a candidate at an election. It is considered ‘a bribe’ and is punishable by time in prison or a hefty fine. AS I said, had this story related to a member of the Gillard government, or the Independents, or Greens – the right leaning media would have been all over it like a rash…

well, Im interested to check it out tomM

who is it? link please.

…and just to change the subject… I think the attack on Kathy Jackson has had far more misogyny about it than the scrutiny of Gillard.

I thinks it’s probably best if I just let it pass.

Why not, we all do with all of your other posts 😉

“…If you work in IT, you know that setting a clock even 1hr out your network will fall over, the tolerances for Windows Server is 5 minutes difference in time. Even if you set a different timezone, Windows Server will not accept login credentials from a client computer if the time is more than 5 minutes out.”

Thanks for that earlier piece of comedy from your self titled “computer expert” AO.

The person you so enthusiastically linked to claimed vast experience in IT ( it must have been putting the foam in the packing boxes I’d say) LOL

It appears that the noggins running the Parliaments computers have today confirmed that Abbotts office is absolutely correct.

Poor old Lefties caught out lying and smearing yet again.

Roll On Floor Laughing My Arse Off

It appears that the noggins running the Parliaments (sic) computers have today confirmed that Abbotts (sic) office is absolutely correct

Got a link for that? Or are you relying on a spokesperson from Abbott’s office?

I notice that you have built a political ‘back door’ by using ‘appears’. But then again I’d expect nothing less from a TAFE graduate (perhaps)..

And that’s if its true which it probably isn’t. Just “unnamed sources” I’ll bet

you’d bet wrong …again. Alex Somlyay was the MP and he made it public. There was an unnamed source, but it was a liberal party stooge.

http://www.vexnews.com/2012/11/the-criminalisation-of-politics-are-our-political-leaders-pm-gillard-and-tony-abbott-crooks/

It appears that the noggins running the Parliaments computers have today confirmed that Abbotts office is absolutely correct.

I expect they confirmed that there is a computer date problem. Did they confirm how it arose? They also said it’s the first they’ve heard about it.

sortius ‏@sortius
@davrosz @TonyIKnow The email sent from DPS actually raises more questions than it answers: original PDF doesn’t suffer “z date” problems.

sortius ‏@sortius
@hoboviews @z3n_digital @eleanorbloom for govt accountability timing is vital, having such a glaring problem for 8 mths just doesn’t add up

The Tony Abbott prophecy

“Sortius” whoever he is is a pretty pathetic geek it would seem LOL.

Like I said I think his 10 years of “expertise” is in foam packing of computers rather than complicated networks themselves as the DPS has confirmed basically everything he said was impossible.

Oh I see………….So now the DPS is controlled by the Hate Media

So now the DPS is controlled by the Hate Media

Not at all. I would assume the DPS is going on the information they have at hand. The problem might lay there?

It certainly appears that there is a discrepancy between the document the DPS is talking about, and the one supplied to Sortius

I think it proves that there are certainly ‘questions to answer’ 😉

that he is wildly speculating about

err, no speculating. He is an IT admin expert, who knows what he is talking about. Verify it for yourself if you wish.

Although, considering the past year of wild speculation which has emerged to be a grubby conspiracy to bring down a Government, then it is really the journos who should be asking this question, not people with jobs of their own.

“He is an IT admin expert, who knows what he is talking about.”

He has absolutely no access to the DPS hardware or software which means he is sitting on the sidelines speculating
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“I have emailed DPS in regard to the inconsistencies with” ……..my particular views

Fixed it again TomR

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/campbell-newman-canvasses-business-for-break-from-federal-ir-law/story-fn59noo3-1226538690172

THE Queensland government is seeking business support for a contentious proposal to withdraw up to 380,000 small business employees from the federal industrial relations system and re-employ them under state awards.

Queensland Attorney-General Jarrod Bleijie will today release an issues paper that highlights business concern with the federal workplace laws, and calls for submissions on whether the state’s referral of industrial relations powers to the commonwealth in 2009 should be terminated or maintained.

Go Queenslander!

Even former ACTU President Martin Ferguson says the wages settlements in the resources sector are unsustainable.

It is time to begin dismantling the stifling, union friendly legal structure this government has imposed.

Current Federal Retail Award…………

Minimum Weekly Wages

Retail Employee Level 1 $666.10
Retail Employee Level 2 $682.00
Retail Employee Level 3 $692.60
Retail Employee Level 4 $706.10
Retail Employee Level 5 $735.20
Retail Employee Level 6 $745.80
Retail Employee Level 7 $783.10
Retail Employee Level 8 $815.00

29.2 Overtime
(a) Hours worked in excess of the ordinary hours of work, outside the span of hours (excluding shiftwork), or roster conditions prescribed in clauses 27 and 28 are to be paid at time and a half for the first three hours and double time thereafter.

(b) Hours worked by part-time employees in excess of the agreed hours in clause 12.2 or as varied under clause 12.3 will be paid at time and a half for the first three hours and double time thereafter.

(c) The rate of overtime on a Sunday is double time, and on a public holiday is double time and a half.

TomR
How do you manage to get images in the comment box? I’ve tried and it never works for me.

”ONE of Australia’s biggest builders, Lend Lease, is to be banned from Victorian government work for up to four years after it breached the state’s tough new rules on union-friendly deals.

The ban is an attempt by the Baillieu government to transform Victoria’s industrial relations culture and weaken the power of the state’s aggressive building unions in a bid to drive down costs.”

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/baillieu-slaps-ban-on-lend-lease-20121217-2bjre.html#ixzz2FMrpBEif

So Lend Lease has taken a punt that the Liberals won’t win the federal election, or if they do, there won’t be much spending.

Melbourne’s construction costs are about 25% higher than Sydney’s, and it is mainly due to chain dragging work practices.

Daniel Grollo looks well placed to pick up a slab of work.

Will other conservative states impose similar rules? Will an Abbott government?

The ban is an attempt by the Baillieu government to transform Victoria’s industrial relations culture and weaken the power of the state’s aggressive building unions in a bid to drive down costs.

So, they are willing (for others) to lose billions in order to pay people less? 😯

Yea, libs, friends of business :lol 😆

But AO, isn’t blewitt an expert?

http://www.therefinedgeek.com.au/index.php/2012/12/18/a-tale-of-woe-and-pdf-creators-or-dig-up-abbott-dig-up/

…Reporters have since been granted access to the PC and shown similar files which seem to suffer the same Zulu time zone problem that apparently plagues the press release in question. What wasn’t investigated was whether or not files created in the way that Sortius has shown suffer from the same issue, I.E. is there an on-going technical issue with that particular computer or are those files the result of the same kind of tampering that the press release appears to have undergone. That would go some way to explaining what’s going on here but it doesn’t explain why the time stamp shows a Zulu time zone which Microsoft word isn’t capable of producing…

Now this doesn’t necessarily mean that Abbott was aware of this information but it does implicate that someone working for him did. In attempting to track down just who it was who created the PDF I came across 2 probable people (one person who I think works at DPS and a Brisbane based ghost writer) but I wasn’t able to verify it was actually one or the other. Whoever did write it would be able to provide some insights into this whole thing but it’s unlikely that they’ll ever come forward, especially considering the fact that they would’ve been working for Abbott at the time (and may still be).

Qld liberals, as TB says, have no regard for the separation of powers.

Tony Abbott was in qld at the time too.

Democratic nations call a conspiracy to bring down a democratically elected government, treason, sedition or a bloodless coup, but in australia it is liberal party business as usual.

I’ve listened to Wilkie and Xenephon lately. They seem to share a political orientation that seems balanced and reasonable.

They should consider a formal agreement and a political alliance/party.

So the Department of Parliamentary Services does not have a clue according to Kitty Litter since that’s whom I’m relying upon.

Or perhaps they really are controlled by the Hate Media.

Or perhaps it is simply a case of what I referred to above. 😉

“………In attempting to track down just who it was who created the PDF I came across 2 probable people ”

LOL ……………I bet someone will next say……….

“They shared the same Office”

On a completely different subject

The Second Amendment
“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

Definition of Militia
“An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers. A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.”

You gotta wonder why it is that the US courts don’t require gun owners to undertake military training (“well regulated”)and “be subject to call for service in an emergency.”

I wonder how many would then want to own a gun if they :

a) Had to give up burgers, fries and Krispy Kremes in order to get down to an acceptable Army Reserve weight.

b) Could end up in the back blocks of Afghanistan ?

Roughly $XXX per hour (Yes its 3 numerals) is my charge out…
…Thousands of hours over the last 30 years and NOT EVER at any penalty rate

I guess you don’t need to when your hourly rate is a three figure sum.

A lot more than the $20 per hour highest [level 8] retail wage that you posted above.

And yet you somehow begrudge them any penalties 🙄

unfknblvble

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/prima-facie-case-to-answer-on-awu/story-e6frgd0x-1226539989208

By Terry O’Connor QC – former head of Western Australia’s Anti-Corruption Commission.

THERE has been considerable recent media discussion about the 1992 incorporation of the Australian Workers Union Workplace Reform Association Inc and the involvement of Julia Gillard in its incorporation.
In particular there has been conjecture as to whether or not Gillard has committed any offence in her role in the incorporation of the association.
Before discussing that question, it is necessary to establish the facts. While some of the facts surrounding the incorporation are uncertain, there is sufficient on the public record to reach a view on what might be the legal position of those involved.
In 1992 Gillard, then a salaried partner in the law firm Slater & Gordon, advised her partner, one Bruce Wilson, then an AWU official, and another official, Ralph Blewitt, on the incorporation of an association under the Associations Incorporations Act WA.
In 1995 Gillard was interviewed by Slater & Gordon’s then senior partner Peter Gordon. It is implicit in what she said in that interview that Wilson and Blewitt, who were senior officers in the AWU, came to her seeking advice on how to deal with funds to be raised by them to pay the cost of their campaign for re-election to their branch executive.
It would appear that her advice was to incorporate the association, which would open a bank account to hold the funds. In the interview with Gordon, she said that, “thinking behind the forming of the association (was that) it was better to have an incorporated association that was the holder of the account” to avoid disputes between officials as to who was entitled to the funds. Gillard prepared the necessary documents for the incorporation of the association.
Section 4 of the act sets out the limited objects for which an association can be incorporated. If the purpose of the association does not meet the requirements of section 4, incorporation will be refused.
The Corporate Affairs commissioner has a discretion to refuse incorporation in certain other circumstances. For these reasons it is important he is not misled as to the objects of any proposed association.
Section 5 of the act requires that application for incorporation be made on the prescribed form, accompanied by the rules of the association and a certificate verifying that certain requirements of the act have been met.
Gillard drafted the rules of the association. As drafted they set out a number of general objects for the association including things such as securing benefits for and, contributing to the safety and training of, workers. Significantly, as required by schedule 1 of the act paragraph 3(2) of the objects provides “no part of the property or income may be paid or otherwise distributed, directly or indirectly, to members”.
In the formal application for incorporation, which was in the name of Blewitt, the main purpose of the association was described as being “development of changes to work to achieve a safe workplace”. The application also certified that the association was not formed for the purpose of providing a pecuniary benefit to members.
Importantly, nowhere in either the rules of the association or the application for incorporation is the real purpose of the association set out, namely to raise funds to pay for officials’ re-election campaign. Indeed as noted above paragraph 3(2) of the rules expressly prohibits that.
There has been no explanation from those involved as to why the real object or purpose of the association was not set out in the documents. In the absence of such explanation it appears that the proponents may have believed that, if the real object was disclosed the association would not have been incorporated because of subsection 4(2) of the act which prevents the incorporation of an association where the members receive a pecuniary benefit from the activities of the association. Whatever the reason for the failure to disclose the real object, the fact remains it was not disclosed, as required by the act.
The association was duly incorporated.
Section 170 of the Criminal Code WA provides that “any person who, being required under a written law to give information to another person, knowingly gives information to the other person, that is false in a material particular is guilty of a crime and is liable to imprisonment for three years”.
Section 43 of the Associations Incorporations Act also makes it an offence for a person to lodge a document with the commissioner which the person knows is false or misleading in any material respect.
In this case the rules lodged did not state the real object of the association. The application, which certified compliance with the act, falsely certified that the association was eligible for incorporation under subsection 4(1e) of the act as an association of more than five members formed for political purposes when in fact it had only two members – Blewitt and Wilson.
Under either of these provisions Blewitt, as the person who made the application for incorporation, in my view could have been charged with knowingly giving false information to the commissioner as he was aware that the objects set out in the rules were not the real objects of the association and that the certification in the formal application was false.
Section 7(b) of the Criminal Code provides that where an offence has been committed, a person who does or omits to do any act for the purpose of enabling or aiding another person to commit an offence, is also guilty of the same offence and is liable to the same punishment as if he or she had committed the offence. A lawyer who advises a client to do something that would constitute an offence would be caught by this provision.
Gillard advised Blewitt on the incorporation of the association and prepared the rules of the association and, following a query from the commissioner, wrote arguing for the incorporation of the association.
The letter has not been disclosed so it is impossible to draw any conclusions about it. Gillard has maintained that she did nothing wrong but has not explained why she says that.
However, without some explanation from her as to what occurred, there is, in my opinion, a prima facie case that she could have been charged along with Blewitt as she drafted the rules of the association for Blewitt knowing that the rules did not disclose the purpose for which the association was being incorporated.

she could have been charged

But she wasn’t Bwahahhhaa sob And never will (cos wanting it doesn’t make it so)

Gillard has maintained that she did nothing wrong but has not explained why she says that.

😯

Do these bozzos understand that you have to prove someone guilty, they don’t have to prove themselves innocent?

Meanwhile, tabot hasn’t even read the judges findings, and still finds it incumbent upon himself to declare Slipper guilty and brough all clear

Asked why he hadn’t read the December 12 judgment dismissing sexual harassment allegations against Mr Slipper, Mr Abbott said: “Because I am doing very important things for the people of Australia here in this country right now.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/in-depth/tony-abbott-admits-he-hasnt-read-court-judgment-in-peter-slipper-case/story-fndckad0-1226540122139

him leaving the country is important for us, I’ll agree. One wonders why a journalist didn’t think to ask why he continues to make claims in direct contrast to the judges findings. Does he hold the judge in contempt?

So many questions, so little ink. Yet they find ink with which to ruminate on what could have been if only Gillard had actually done some thing wrong.

muppets.

“This is the question on everyone’s lips in my town … its not looking good.”

Yes Eg

There has been a vast shift in consumer confidence and purchasing post 2008 and not all can be attributed to the GFC or On-line Shopping as the Lefties would like us to think.

Small business is on its knees.

People don’t trust this government as to who it will hit next and their pursuit of this “was never going to happen Surplus” means that people are wary about being whacked again to get to Surplus.

Only an election can offer any new hope even if it’s Abbott.

Yes I too find it amusing to be lectured on grammar by self important Lefties who cant spell.

Talk about shoot yourself in the foot whilst its wedged down ya throat.

Or perhaps……………. “Egg allow me to introduce you to Face”

LOL

If we spent all out our time correcting each other’s grammar and spelling none of the World’s problems would be solved. And we only have until Friday the 21st to do so.

I scrolled up to try and find where someone was arguing for a $1 per hour wage but just cant seem to find it so I don’t know where that little “herring” came from.

However should someone who works in retail and only on Saturdays and Sundays be paid a penalty rate ?

Penalties should only be paid where someone has exceeded 7.6 hours (38 hours per week) on any specific day

Not really…………

We are about to have a shit fight over IR

I’m a bit tired of AWU and HSU

So trying to stir the pot a bit

‘Only an election can offer any new hope even if it’s Abbott.’

My sentiments exactly.

Morgan has labor in front…. it may have something to do with joolya getting sympathy.

‘In mid December support for the ALP is 52.5% (up 5%) cf. L-NP 47.5% (down 5%) on a two-party preferred basis according to the latest face-to-face Morgan Poll conducted over the last two weekends, December 8/9 & 15/16, 2012.

‘This is largest lead the Gillard Government has held since holding the same advantage more than two years ago on November 20/21 & 27/28, 2010: ALP 52.5% cf. L-NP 47.5%.’

Excellent Poll Result..

I do hope she rushes off to Government House immediately ………….LOL

“What makes you think that your qualifications and choice of occupation makes you superior to others…”

I dont

It’s the Law of Supply and Demand.

Morgan has labor in front…. it may have something to do with joolya getting sympathy.

Sympathy for being bullied, abused, discriminated against and defamed? Why should she?

Could be that her government is actually getting things done behind the scenes rather than chicken little frothing and foaming that people can easily see are lies and fearmongering. Flinging mud, sleaze and filth each day and acts of treason upon the democratically elected and legitimate government just don’t cut it as an alternative.

When the abbott can’t be bothered reading the documents that are the result of his own filthmongering, apparently ‘too busy’ on his publicly funded holiday. Won’t do the work that he is being paid to do, but happy to fabricate, plot and scheme scandal after scandal.

Everyone else has their work performance, diligence and conscientiousness measured and evaluated, if they don’t put in the effort, don’t contribute to the betterment of the place they are tossed out.

hehe, the old supply and demand is the reason you feel you are superior to others?

BS, capitalist twaddle to justify greed and profiteering off the backs of others.

In that were true, nurses and teachers should be paid more than CEO’s!

The word on Twitter street is that Slipper is today commencing action against Ashby…

Might we find out who is funding ashby?
Whatever happened about ashby and the underage sex thing, where did that go?

where?

roundabout

Holidays over are they reb?

And, dear journos, it got better: http://t.co/Wnr12FXz—
eleanor bloom (@eleanorbloom) December 19, 2012

thanks visitor
if the minors don’t press charges or refuse to co-operate, can the police bring charges anyway, since it’s against the law? [as they can do in cases of DV]

Hard at is for some elitists to understand, but some people find themselves working 10 hours a day 6 days a week just to get by.

Yeah, some of them stay with their pregnant girlfriends, becoming stuck in the daily grind, sacrificing their own career ambitions and aspirations by ‘doing the right thing’ for others.
Guess it’s a morals and values thing, when people of character step up to shared responsibilities.

‘where?’

November unemployment sees a jump of 0.3% and according to Morgan we have a record number of Australians unemployed or under employed.

Psssssssssst…………………..Ever heard of contraception

Psssssssssst…………………..Ever heard of fucking of and leaving her to fend for herself

Maybe they should try harder might be a start

One of your more ignorant posts, which is a effort in itself

“Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans.”
― John Lennon

“One of your more ignorant posts,”

Yeah whatever

Unless someone has a disability or is a carer there is no reason to not self educate.

Pssst …………….Ever heard of a thing called a “book”

You can find lots of them in a Council Library

Anyway, why should the workers be the ones forced to sacrifice their wages and conditions because the employer is not profiteering as much as he would like?

Why would capitalists expect that an unprofitable business should be artificially propped up? Following the laws of supply and demand shouldn’t the business be allowed to go bust allowing the owner to get out and work on wages for someone else who does it better?

So that circumstance would all be someone elses fault ?

lol 2d. Think tabot you goose

The “child” was put up for adoption by both “parents”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Abbott

I suggest you visit a library to lift yourself out of your ignorance. They have books you could read.

Then again I think you might want to start in the Childrens section and work your way up.

But then I’d say in your case ignorance is hardwired into your DNA

‘Following the laws of supply and demand shouldn’t the business be allowed to go bust allowing the owner to get out and work on wages for someone else who does it better?`

Ahh… I’m about to go bust, totally at the mercy of the system. Your viewpoint is narrow and misguided because there are no jobs for any of us.

“So you just accept your “lot in life” do you ?”

So you just assume that social hierachy is determined by effort or lack thereof, do you?

Go read some children’s books yourself you elitist fuckwit.

Robustness has returned … popcorn time.

‘So you just assume that social hierachy is determined by effort or lack thereof, do you?’

In Australia, at the beginning of the 21st century, definitely yes.

My money is on 2d.

My money is on 2d.

That fits in neatly with your 100% record of backing losers then.

“My money is on 2d.”

You are obligated to pump up one of your bandmasters, I suppose. *shrug*

So you just accept your “lot in life” do you ?
You dont even try to improve your situation ?

But like you, I’ve been to uni [twice] and have post grad qualifications and work extremely hard. I’m in an area of great demand and under supply. Why am I not worthy of being paid as well as you?

I haven’t heard of a world wide shortage of accountants.
Who determines your lot in life vs “my lot”? Nothing to do with accepting ‘my lot’ I’ve done as much as you to better myself, it’s equality and equity we’re talking now aren’t we? [and basic humanity vs the arrogant elitism of capitalist ideologues].

Half the population’s “lot” in life [no matter how hard they work to improve]:

“I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons”

‘In November 2012 an estimated 1.229 million Australians (10.0% of the workforce, up 0.3% in a month) were unemployed…’

Roy Morgan

I’m on a pension of $100 a week, my income from the business over the years has been a third of the minimum wage and for over a month there has been no money for wages.

Its Xmas and I have $9 to my name and carrying debt, but we remain philosophical.

“Hang in there, egg, one door closes and another one opens … ”

Copy that!

I take no pleasure in someone losing their job. We’re all closer to the ruthless edge of the razor than we’d care to anticipate.

Good luck, eg. 🙂

Thanx boss, it’ll be fine.

Yeah, she’ll be right Reb.

Free enterprise is a wonderful system when a safety net is in place.

“It makes more sense now…(& apologies for the epithets, I mistook you for an unknown, callous arsehole ) ”

As opposed to a “known callous arsehole” ?

Thanks for the support Toilet

I think you are the only one to take the bait then spit it out.

LOL

+ faaaaark!…bit slow on the uptake: me. Haven’t been around much lately.

Thanks professor, this is the recession we have to have, apparently.

“There are many things that I can’t do (many that seem simple)… but I admire the skill and knowledge that people demonstrate daily in the workplace … and good management is demonstrated by its people … ”

Captured my professional mindset right there, TB.

Any prick can laugh as they watch the new guy , on his/her first day, perform the same task they’ve been doing for the last 25 years.

We all had a day one…many of us forget how that felt; and that we weren’t born proficient into anything.

I acknowledge hard work, diligence, punctuality, acumen & an even kee. Lose your job next week & you will be advancing towards day one again, for the nth time.
Hard cnuts absorb the impact & get on with it. The only alternative is forfeiting self respect & embracing mindless entitlement.
As always, the birth lottery defines your position on the ladder of social imbalance…

Something just washed up

Wally, use the toilet. Or perhaps your dingy isn’t equipped?

As for ‘grammar lessons’. LOL. Surely you had those at the TAFE and you clearly failed. Which explains why you now work alone, Just sayin ..

Don’t worry Wally I don’t have to ‘enjoy myself’ on a blog. My sexual activities produced a number of offspring. While your ‘hands on activity’ produced?. Perhaps confined to ‘wet spots’ on sheets? But only on the odd occassions, according to your admissions.

No wonder you go offshore hoping for the fishy taste.

Just sayin ..

I didn’t have time to do nuance; generally it matters.

I’m a big believer in self. When all else is stripped away, it’s what’s left of our conscious biomass. 😉

So, yes, this…”As always, the birth lottery defines your position on the ladder of social imbalance”..is derivative & fallible.

Credit to those with a bit of luck & intestinal fortitude who claw themselves higher (particularly the rare few who are able to do that without walking on the heads of their peers).

Still, I think we’re occupying the same headroom.

As you say (& what I inferred)…”But it’s generally true that if one is ‘kick started’, it’s an advantage.”

‘You Right Wing Rusted on Retard’

🙂

Kitty go back to uni and become an accountant… a sex change won’t be necessary.

Shock Horror

Swan has finally walked away from his Surplus.

Now who could have foreseen that I ask ?

“But only on the odd occassions, according to your admissions”

Spellcheck ?

Shakes Head

‘Will China head the same way?’

Not sure, but if the US sells Alaska to China they might avoid the fiscal cliff.

Its not my dinghy.

Now you see him

Now you don’t

We seek him here

We seek him where ?

OK

So how did Wi Fi do that ?

It’s all Geece to me 😯

“Wally’s, become a bit more precious than usual just lately …”

F**K OFF

🙂

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