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MORRISON LIED OVER RIOT CLAIMS!

February 23, 2014

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The  Minister for Stopping Immigration Scott Morrison,  has contradicted his own version of accounts about the riots that took place at Manus Island last week.

Last week Morrison insisted that the riots took place outside the Manus Island processing centre, asserting that the death of one asylum seeker would not have occurred had he remained inside the compound.

However, last night Morrison was forced to backtrack from his previous statements, revealing that the “majority of the events” took place outside the the perimeter of the centre.

“As advised on the afternoon of Tuesday February 18, I indicated that I had received further information which meant that I could no longer confirm that the deceased man sustained his injuries outside the centre. The further information I have now received casts further doubt on the initial advice that his injuries were sustained outside the centre.”

Protests at the Manus centre escalated last Sunday night, leading to violence involving guards, local contractors and asylum seekers. One asylum seeker was killed during the disturbance and several were seriously injured.

THE ARROGANCE SHOWS NO BOUNDS

At media briefings during the week Morrison berated journalists for raising reports that contradicted his version of events over the location of riots.

Morrison even emphasised the increased risk to asylum seekers who intentionally left the perimeter of the facility and the fact that the Australian government could not guarantee the safety of those who chose to go outside.

The revised account also casts serious doubt on the accuracy of information from the service provider G4S.

In its statement on Tuesday G4S described claims that asylum seekers had breached the perimeter only to flee attacks by local residents who had entered the compound as “unfounded.”

“A number of [so-called] transferees were injured after they breached the perimeter fence and the matter became a law enforcement issue for PNG authorities.”

In a further remarkable development, G4S appeared to have been unaware of Morrison’s statement.

A G4S spokesman asked The Gutter Trash to forward a copy to the company on Sunday morning. G4S said it was preparing a statement in response to Morrison’s new remarks.

HE HAS NO IDEA 

The opposition immigration spokesman, Richard Marles, said Morrison appeared to have no understanding of the facts on Manus.

“Earlier in the week Scott Morrison did not speak on advice, he spoke personally and emphatically when he gave an assurance that the tragic events that did so last week occurred outside the Manus Island dentition facility,” Marles said.

“This is a man who has no idea of what the facts are. This is a man who is not in charge of the Manus Island detention facility and it raises enormous questions about his ability to manage this issue.

“He now needs to hold himself accountable to the Australian people … this goes to the safety that is being provided to asylum seekers within an Australian-run detention facility.”

The Greens leader, Christine Milne, called on Tony Abbott to sack Morrison over his handling of the situation.

“The prime minister must sack the minister and close his cruel refugee prisons immediately,” she said.

“Tony Abbott must take personal responsibility for the failure of the morally bankrupt and cruel offshore processing regime that was started by Labor and embraced by his government.

“Tony Abbott had a direct line of duty of care to Reza Berati and he is now dead. He must take personal responsibility. Blaming the victims of this tragedy is cowardice.”

The Labor frontbencher and former immigration minister Chris Bowen said the developments were “deeply concerning”.

“We’ve had a death, which is a tragedy, and we’ve got a minister who frankly treats the public, the parliament and the media with contempt and drip-feeds out information – and now we see that information is wrong as often as it is right,” Bowen told The Gutter Trash earlier today.

“If he thinks a written statement at 9 o’clock on a Saturday night is being transparent then he is sadly mistaken. He should explain not only what went on here but also when he was told that the information he had previously released was wrong.”

Bowen said Morrison was “very certain of his facts last week”.

“He was lecturing the Australian people and journalists and the shadow minister and everybody to be clear of their facts. Now we know he was the one that was wrong and he’s got a lot of explaining to do.”

Bowen said the Manus Island centre was an important part of Australia’s immigration policies but Morrison must ensure it was being run in a way that did “not unduly endanger human life”.

At a media conference about the unrest on Tuesday, Morrison said: “The deceased person involved a head injury and that person passed away on transfer to the Lorengau Hospital. The injury was sustained outside the centre.”

On Friday Morrison identified the dead asylum seeker as Reza Berati, a 23-year-old from Iran. Berati had arrived in Australia on 24 July, 2013, and was sent to Manus Island.

It is not yet clear whether the PNG coroner will also conduct an inquiry into Berati’s death. Coronial inquests must be approved by the PNG National Executive Council. It has yet to issue any approval in Berati’s case.

Morrison initially appeared certain about the accuracy of the information he was receiving about the riots, but he has gradually retreated from his original statement.

In Tuesday’s media conference he emphasised the limited protection Australia could offer asylum seekers who had escaped the perimeter compound.

“If people chose to remove themselves from that centre then they are obviously putting themselves at a place of much greater risk and in an environment like that where there is violent behaviour on the part of those who are breaching the perimeter fence and going out of the centre then this is a disorderly environment in which there is always great risk.”

 

 

 

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374 Comments leave one →
  1. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2014 1:18 pm

    Didn’t we say all this last week? 🙄

    Could someone please tell me what that last paragraph actually means, tho’?

    Morrison initially appeared certain about the accuracy of the information he was receiving about the riots, but he has gradually retreated from his original statement.

    Will this also apply to the incompetent officers of the RAN who can’t read a GPS and maps when they are seven kilometres of course?

    Fkn ‘ell, even my Hyundai Elite’s GPS is more accurate than that!

    Let’s hope we never go to war with korea … 🙄

  2. February 23, 2014 1:24 pm

    “Morrison initially appeared certain”

    He didn’t “appear certain,” he was adamant that his version of events was accurate and correct and that any other reports were just rumour.

  3. February 23, 2014 1:41 pm
  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 23, 2014 2:12 pm

    It would be quite hilarious is he’s forced to resign (in tears)

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2014 3:23 pm

    Morrison should be deported … Manus sounds noice … 😆

  6. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 23, 2014 3:45 pm

    Is this what they meant when they said “Australia is Open for Business”?

    Manus could close: Investigation finds Immigration department failings on Nauru

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/manus-could-close-investigation-finds-immigration-department-failings-on-nauru/story-fni0cx12-1226834680809

  7. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2014 3:53 pm

    It should be noted that the 1,300 on Manus Island were locked up by the ALP and the people who voted for them.

    AS usual the ALP hands the Coalition a shit sandwich and then expects the Coalition to clean up the mess.

    I must admit i find it a little ghoulish the glee which ALP supporters proclaim the truth that a human being died under a Coalition govt.

  8. February 23, 2014 4:09 pm

    Actually Neil the number of asylum seekers on Manus has gone from 300 to 1300 people since the election.

  9. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2014 4:12 pm

    I find that hard to believe.

    We have had no boats for 9 weeks so the people in detention should be stable or decreasing

  10. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 23, 2014 4:49 pm

    We have had no boats for 9 weeks

    Who told you that? The same person who insisted that the riots took place outside the Manus Island processing centre?

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2014 5:34 pm

    I must admit i find it a little ghoulish the glee which ALP supporters proclaim the truth that a human being died under a Coalition govt.

    And I find that comment insulting to all Australians whatever their politics … I have seen no “glee” concerning the death on Manus Island nor anywhere else for that matter …

    This thread relates to the knumbskull Morrison’s poor handling of the Immigration portfolio since he gained it …

    As I keep being informed – but he stopped the boats, that’s what they promised … but blind faith is ignoring the international and diplomatic cost to ALL Australia …

    Short sighted to say the least …

  12. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2014 7:12 pm

    It should be noted that the 1,300 on Manus Island were locked up by the ALP and the people who voted for them.

    but they didn’t kill them, they may have locked them up and driven them insane, to the point of suicide, but no, they didn’t kill them. Remember how long those AS stayed up on the rooftops after an uprising at christmas island, no, no-one died.

    I find that hard to believe.

    so you won’t, just keep wearing the blinkers, easier to live with yourself, no dead and injured people on your conscience.

    Morrison also lied about the refugee database being easily obtainable and accessed on the net.

    How does he feel about having 10,000 asylum seekers being accepted now because he’s compromised their [and their families] personal safety.

    The minister responsible for a massive increase in AS numbers!

  13. February 23, 2014 7:13 pm

    Reblogged this on lmrh5.

  14. February 23, 2014 7:17 pm

    I believe the ALP wanted to send them to Malaysia and it is Manus Island that the LNP told ALP to send them there.

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2014 7:26 pm

    … and it is Manus Island that the LNP told ALP to send them there.

    😯 🙄

    I’d like to see evidence of that!

    OT

    Yvette D’Arth has got her snout in the trough again winning Redcliffe for the ALP by a massive 16%

    news.com.au are running a feature story on the front page here:

    http://www.news.com.au/

    The ALP has now gained five seats since Noddy Newman & The Nitwits took to the stage:

    Just jokin’ – the story is hidden way down here:

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/redcliffe-residents-head-to-polling-booths/story-fnii5v6w-1226834634185

  16. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2014 7:26 pm

    that’s right lmrh5
    Didn’t the coalition say they couldn’t go to malaysia? too brutal, hockey cried in parliament at the thought of a child over there and the whipping punishments carried out by malaysia. Now we’re stuck with the ‘final’ solution.

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2014 7:29 pm

    Kl, but “the LNP TOLD the ALP to go there?” 🙄 as if?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    lmrh5, you do know that your gravatar looks like your in jail? Or waiting for a train?

    Welcome … 😉

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2014 7:30 pm

    ooops … “”you’re” …. blog police are evreewur …

  19. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 23, 2014 8:38 pm

    Didn’t the coalition say they couldn’t go to malaysia?

    Yes, because they had now signed the refugee convention (?)

    We have signed it, yet we are breaking pretty much every item within it.

    At least in Malaysia they would have been able to have the oversight from the UNHCR, and the beginning of a regional framework. In other words, progress.

    Show us your tears now Hockey.

  20. February 23, 2014 8:46 pm

    ”””He didn’t “appear certain,” he was adamant that his version””’

    Absolutely agree reb. TV footage would only display him as `adamant`.
    .
    .
    ””””””””’Will this also apply to the incompetent officers of the RAN who can’t read a GPS and maps when they are seven kilometres of course?””””””’

    That is/will be the one to watch, TB. Will be interesting when/if it comes up.
    .
    .
    ”””””even my Hyundai Elite’s GPS is more accurate than that!”””

    Yeah, so is your iproduct /mobile `streetview`/map/gps thingy.
    .
    .
    ””””””Let’s hope we never go to war with korea””””””

    our politicians would `never` make that mistake

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2014 8:56 pm

    Yep, tBag … call me a fool and have a giggle but never ever treat me like one!

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2014 8:57 pm

    JJ, the Malaysian Plan was frought with inhumanities … it was akin to trading in human beings …

    I really shudder as an Australian at what we’ve become …

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2014 8:58 pm

    Bugger … fraught …

  24. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 24, 2014 6:05 am

    the Malaysian Plan was frought with inhumanities … it was akin to trading in human beings …

    I’m not saying it was good, but it was a far sight better than what is on offer now. At least then we would at least have been “trading” people. Now, we are just smuggling them back to another country without even UNHCR oversight and without any sort of safe guard. In fact, in some cases, we are simply sending them back to their deaths.

    Hockey bawled and cried about the Malaysian people swap deal, yet sits idly by as his party implements something far more barbaric.

    Just hi-lighting the hypocrisy, and wondering aloud if the Malaysian deal was voted down for moral purposes, or political ones?

  25. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2014 9:24 am

    The funny thing is that the “refugee” flow is now back from Indonesia to Malaysia. Such are the exigencies of economic migration.

  26. February 24, 2014 9:35 am

    I find that hard to believe.
    We have had no boats for 9 weeks so the people in detention should be stable or decreasing

    Kneel its Muppets like you that elected these Liars like this sad excuse for a human. The consistent litany of lies just keep coming like a Barrage of bullshit, yet you still maintain the myth that the boats have stopped and Mission is accomplished.

    He didn’t “appear certain,” he was adamant that his version of events was accurate and correct and that any other reports were just rumour.

    Fiberals greatest hits, where the appear arrogant certain
    Watch Rieth , I did’nt have an opinion…. (Now a lobbyist on the virtues of CSG)

    Kneels Hero the immoral Prime miniature and his lying henchmen politisising for maximum impact….Morrisons mentors.

    Morrison should be deported … Manus sounds noice … 😆

    😆

    It would be quite hilarious is he’s forced to resign (in tears)

    Anyone with any decency would but its Morrison Tom

  27. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 24, 2014 9:46 am

    We have had no boats for 9 weeks

    Apparitions perhaps?

    NAVAL and Customs patrol vessels have turned or towed at least three asylum-seeker vessels back towards Indonesia in the past fortnight.

    The Weekend Australian understands that the third boat was being dealt with in the past 24 hours.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/three-boats-turned-back-in-two-weeks/story-fn9hm1gu-1226834211741#

    Do you enjoy being treated like a mushroom?

  28. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 24, 2014 11:31 am

    Scott Morrison once appeared quite distressed by the idea that asylum seekers might be caned or beaten.

    But that was just something Prime Minister Tony Abbott later called playing “politics pretty hard”, not soft-heartedness.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/three-years-ago-scott-morrison-feared-labors-malaysian-solution-would-see-refugees-beaten-now-worse-is-happening/story-fncynjr2-1226831526574

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 24, 2014 12:32 pm

    Labor lying = unforgivable breach of trust
    Liberal lying = business as usual

  30. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 24, 2014 12:42 pm

    Factcheck, that unaustralian and treasonous abc program

    Liberal MP Kelly O’Dwyer incorrect on Australia’s refugee intake:

    …Ms O’Dwyer replied: “I would actually point out the fact that we have one of the highest per capita intakes in the world. If we’re not currently the highest we’re probably the second highest…

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-24/liberal-mp-kelly-odwyer-incorrect-on-australias-refugee-intake/5270252

    Refugees resettled: Australia ranks 2nd in terms of the number of refugees it takes through the UN humanitarian program.

    Refugees recognised: Australia ranks 32nd in terms of the number of people who are found to be refugees after arriving in Australia seeking asylum.

    Total intake: Australia ranks 22nd in terms of its total refugee intake.

  31. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 24, 2014 12:58 pm

    guardian’s live politics:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/24/scott-morrison-faces-questions-over-manus-island-politics-live

    …Good morning wimps. Sorry, but how can you resist joining in the prime minister’s efforts to portray complex public policy as a spaghetti western? It really is compelling. (Yes, that was irony.)…

    …Abbott:
    “You don’t want a wimp running border protection, you want someone who is strong, who is decent and Scott Morrison is both strong and decent.”

    As I said, stirring stuff.

    While Tony jangled his spurs and stood by his man, many Australians gathered last night at vigils to protest the plight of people in offshore detention…

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2014 1:03 pm

    KL,

    Do you think I should forward the governmnet’s own numbers to her office?

    http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/AsylumFacts#_Toc348096475

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    BTW, I keep on correcting this statement … it should read …

    “… you want someone who is strong, who is dented and Scott Morrison is both strong and dented.”

  33. February 24, 2014 1:11 pm

    Exactly KL.

    Australia only takes 2% of the world’s refugees, and 90% of those turn out to be genuine asylum seekers.

    The demonisation of these desperate people has to stop, not escalate further.

  34. Walrus permalink
    February 24, 2014 1:25 pm

    “While Tony jangled his spurs and stood by his man, many Australians gathered last night at vigils to protest the plight of people in offshore detention…”

    Perhaps……………..but it wont really resonate amongst voters.

    Most voters only see “Boat People” in terms of Border Security and if that is finally non-porous (no boats arriving) then the LNP have for the most part ticked off one of their election promises.

    People locked up is a seperate issue and the attitude will be ” well if they dont want to be locked up they can always go home”.

    That is not my own feelings on the issue just an opinion on how the matter is seen.

  35. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2014 1:56 pm

    “many Australians gathered last night at vigils to protest the plight of people in offshore detention…”

    How many candles did they light for the thousand plus who drowned? Oh wait, that would have embarrassed the Labor/Green coalition government.

  36. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 24, 2014 1:59 pm

    And how many gathered when people in detention died from 2007-2013??

    I don’t think anybody was murdered but there were many suicides.

  37. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 24, 2014 2:23 pm

    sorry sb, I don’t buy the crocodile tears of the “we only care about deaths at sea” brigade. That meme conveniently came about when the refugee hating racism in ‘stop the boats’ became apparent.

    We have a duty of care to the people we have locked up under our off shore detention policy.

    I think you’ll find that the people with the candles feel for all humanity, it matters not to them the method of the loss. Only an apologist would try to defend the indefensible by making a distinction between 1200 lost at sea and lives lost/injured under our detention system. All are reprehensible.

  38. February 24, 2014 2:40 pm

    How many candles did they light for the thousand plus who drowned “the truth ” ?

    Lots its a literal bushfire of bullshit 🙄

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/scott-morrison-should-be-put-in-the-dock-20140223-33alm.html#ixzz2uCrC9nmF

  39. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2014 2:45 pm

    “We have a duty of care to the people we have locked up under our off shore detention policy.”

    Strongly agree, KL. Which is why, on the other thread I said:

    “It is a national disgrace and the failure of the government to explain what happened is also a disgrace.”

    and

    “Hopefully the Human Rights Commission will be all over this. At least they are demanding that the inquiry be independent.

    At the moment we are just getting a wall of silence.”

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2014 4:07 pm

    then the LNP have for the most part ticked off one of their election promises.

    More like tricked the electorate …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    All are reprehensible.

    Hear! Hear!

    As is politicising it … that seems to be some sort of competition/game around here too …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    From the same song book …

    How many candles did they light for the thousand plus who drowned? Oh wait, that would have embarrassed the Labor/Green coalition government.

    =============================

    And how many gathered when people in detention died from 2007-2013??

    I’m not quite sure that these comments can be aimed at commenters here either …

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 24, 2014 4:24 pm

    “Kneel its Muppets like you that elected these Liars like this sad excuse for a human”

    Actually Scott Morrison is the refugees true hope. I doubt if the people we get by boat are refugees. They are almost certainly economic immigrants. They are here for a better life for their family. That is OK. We have immigration programs for people who want to come here for a better life.

  42. February 24, 2014 4:43 pm

    Actually Scott Morrison is the refugees true hope

    Kind of speaks for itself really

    Scotty is a real Gem, met him and he is beyond doubt a complete deadshit and a bully who thinks he’s better than everyone else

    http://archiearchive.wordpress.com/2013/12/19/the-public-life-of-scott-morrison/

  43. February 24, 2014 4:44 pm

    Totally concur TB and Splatter

  44. Australia's Shame permalink
    February 24, 2014 5:36 pm

    How many candles did they light for the thousand plus who drowned?

    DECEMBER 20, 2011:
    “A CANDLELIGHT vigil will be held in Sydney to mourn the sinking of an asylum seeker boat off the coast of Indonesia.

    Rescuers are searching for up to 200 asylum seekers feared dead after their overcrowded ship, headed for Australia, sank off Java over the weekend.

    Refugee advocate Ian Rintoul says the vigil will be held in Sydney’s city centre tonight.”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/sydney-vigil-for-indonesian-boat-victims/story-fn3dxity-1226226715343

    Fri 4 Oct 2013:
    “Italy has declared a national day of mourning after a boat packed with African migrants caught fire and sank off the island of Lampedusa, killing at least 130 people.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-04/italy-delcares-national–mourning-migrant-boat-sinking-lampedusa/4997856

  45. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 24, 2014 6:15 pm

    “A CANDLELIGHT vigil will be held in Sydney to mourn the sinking of an asylum seeker boat off the coast of Indonesia.”

    I was wrong. I apologise for my misplaced cynicism, especially to Ian Rintoul and those who attended to the vigil.

  46. February 24, 2014 6:35 pm

    “I was wrong. “

    If only we heard those words a little more often ’round these parts….

  47. February 24, 2014 7:07 pm

    I was wrong. I apologise for my misplaced cynicism

    Splatter it is understandable considering the rhetorical opportunism wrapped around this issue, shameful in both camps. It seems to be a racism magnet.
    .
    The march in Sydney was very partisan with a mix of ages and politics, not unlike the Sorry march.

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2014 7:26 pm

    If only we heard those words a little more often ’round these parts….

    Hear! Hear! Well done, sb! Debate improves with honesty and truthfullness …

    (if I sound patronising ’tis not intended …)

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2014 7:42 pm

    And in the same spirit … has anyone else been following this story? Magic!

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/airport-workers-touching-note-to-passenger/story-e6frfq80-1226836106942

    Delta once flew me from Atlanta to San Francisco (my connecting flight to LA had been delayed) to catch a QANTAS flight – Q no longer flew from SF! Bunch of dicks … its almost six hours to SF and then two to LA (I flew SF to LA the following morning) …

    I can understand the bloke in the story losing his cool …

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2014 8:57 pm

    was it something I said … ? 😯

  51. egg permalink
    February 24, 2014 9:18 pm

    You are too sensitive, its just a lull.

  52. egg permalink
    February 24, 2014 9:25 pm

    This will cheer you up, the Business Council of Australia wants Hockey to be hard on old middle class people.

    ‘The BCA says savings should include tightening family benefits, the age and asset requirements for the aged pension and the entitlement of people with large superannuation balances to seniors health cards.’

    Uren / Oz

  53. Empty Cells permalink
    February 24, 2014 9:36 pm

    Via Blair, via Jimmy Fallon, the News (W)rap.

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2014 9:39 pm

    LOL!

    The Business Council of Oz is a bunch of liberal wankers … anyway my super ain’t that super … did they say that when The Robber Barons fk up (ie 2008) that the rules should help the poor sods who lose half their savings, not the pricks that caused it?* No I thought not … bunch of fkn hypocrites … and wannabe Robber Barons – or paid by ’em … some folk just don’t get the centuries old conspiracy against the hard workers of society …

    Why do you think the next BS will be about increasing the cost of university education? Only the elite should be educated … 🙄

    *For the newcomers , no I didn’t, fo 12 month a fellow commenter (John McPhilbin) and I were laughed at for telling people the “end was nigh” … luckily, I took my own advice …

  55. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 24, 2014 9:44 pm

    Q&A – Albo waffles on asylum seeker policy.

  56. egg permalink
    February 24, 2014 10:10 pm

    ‘Only the elite should be educated … ‘

    They are not that narrow, these days its all about user pays. What they want to stop are those Australians who in the past have enjoyed a university education, but failed to get a worthwhile job and cannot pay the government back.

    The children of the upper middle class will have a dream run if they are bright and well connected.

  57. February 24, 2014 11:05 pm

    ””””””””””’they want to stop are those Australians who in the past have enjoyed a university education, but failed to get a worthwhile job and cannot pay the government back.””””””””””

    Shows how stupid they are then.

    No amount of `education`, `training` or what-ever,

    will create `worthwhile`/good jobs as fast as the `good` jobs are currently being trashed under `free-trade`, dumping, out-saucing, and the rest of the crap going on under the current `de-skilling` regime.

    #Dreaming

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 24, 2014 11:35 pm

    Poor old Scott Morrison having to clean up a Labor Party mess

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/04/17/asylum-seekers-the-facts-in-figures/

    Total number of persons in immigration detention in Australia as of 12 September 2008: 274  —  HREOC
    Number of these detained people who were unauthorized boat arrivals: 6
     —  HREOC”

    So there were only 6 boat people in detention around the time the Pacific Solution was abolished.

  59. February 25, 2014 8:57 am

    Poor old Scott Morrison

  60. February 25, 2014 9:12 am

    Poor old Scott Morrison

  61. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 25, 2014 9:16 am

    Border Protection Minister Scott Morrison has confirmed he knew a week ago his initial statements about a fatal brawl at the immigration detention facility on Manus Island were likely to have been wrong but has refused to say why he waited to correct the record until Saturday night.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/scott-morrison-knew-he-was-wrong-on-brawl-death-20140224-33d5f.html#ixzz2uHR0J1jM

    Yes, we should just trust them?

    Who will go first, Nash or Morrison?

  62. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2014 9:22 am

    JJ

    And how many died in detention from 2007-2013. And i don’t think Manus Island was so great under Labor.

  63. February 25, 2014 9:28 am

    How many asylum seekers were murdered under Labor Neil?

  64. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 25, 2014 10:05 am

    Neil

    Labor were pathetic on this issue. They showed no backbone and no compassion whatsoever.

    They followed the Liberals down the path of xenophobia, which led to cruelty to asylum seekers under their watch.

    But they followed, they did not lead, and they never sank to the point where their nastiness resulted in killing somebody. Three times now.

    Their continuing reluctance to revert from their previous position continues to disappoint, immensely. They have a different team now, they are in a position to adjust their policy, take this opportunity, and make it the compassionate one. Even though the majority of Australians prefer the way it is now it seems. Lead by example. Change the argument, and the country might just go along.

  65. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 25, 2014 10:11 am

    I recall one of the arguments against the Malaysian solution was what happens when the 800 positions were filled.

    What happens when we run out of life boats?

    Another orange lifeboat carrying asylum seekers arrives on Indonesia’s Java coast: military source

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-25/another-orange-lifeboat-carrying-asylum-seekers-arrives-in-indo/5281484

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2014 10:44 am

    What they want to stop are those Australians who in the past have enjoyed a university education, but failed to get a worthwhile job and cannot pay the government back.

    But many do … unlike our “elite” sportspeople …

  67. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 25, 2014 10:48 am

    What they want to stop are those Australians who in the past have enjoyed a university education, but failed to get a worthwhile job and cannot pay the government back.

    How are they going about discerning just who is in which category?

  68. Walrus permalink
    February 25, 2014 10:54 am

    “Border Protection Minister Scott Morrison has confirmed he knew a week ago his initial statements about a fatal brawl at the immigration detention facility on Manus Island were likely to have been wrong……..”

    Yep………and he actually said there was some doubt over his initial statements in an interview given last Tuesday afternoon only hours after his initial statement.

    But Fairfax doesn’t bother with such trivialities

  69. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 25, 2014 11:19 am

    and he actually said there was some doubt over his initial statements in an interview given last Tuesday afternoon

    That would be interesting to see, because, for a week, any stories that didn’t gel with his were simply “unsubstantiated” ones.

  70. February 25, 2014 11:20 am

    “he actually said there was some doubt over his initial statements in an interview given last Tuesday afternoon only hours after his initial statement.”

    So why didn’t he wait until he was certain of the facts, rather than just peddle some bullshit that suited his own “blame the asylum seekers” narrative?

    But the Liberals don’t bother with such trivialities..

  71. Walrus permalink
    February 25, 2014 11:24 am

    And the company put in charge of security on Manus by Prime-Grub Gillard and her cohort of morons is now part of a criminal probe in the UK.

    Why the f**k would Prime-Grub Gillard & Co put the same security firm that f**ked up security at the London Olympics in charge of part of our Border Protection.

    F**king idiots

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/manus-island-security-group-g4s-facing-criminal-probe-in-britain-20140225-33dpl.html

  72. February 25, 2014 11:31 am

    “he actually said there was some doubt over his initial statements in an interview given last Tuesday afternoon only hours after his initial statement.”

    His initial statement – where he was adamant of the facts and berated journalists who mentioned conflicting reports – was issued on Saturday.

    His follow up statement was issued on Tuesday – not quite a matter of “hours” apart as you suggest Walrus.

    You might be entitled to your own misguided opinion Walrus, but you’re not entitled to your own facts….. 🙄

  73. Walrus permalink
    February 25, 2014 11:38 am

    What are you on about ?

    He had TWO press conferences last Tuesday. At the second one he conceded he had started receiving conflicting information to that he had disclosed in the morning PC.

    In was only by Saturday that investigations had convinced him to completely put the record straight.

    Perhaps he should just stop reporting anything.

  74. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 25, 2014 11:45 am

    Perhaps he should just stop reporting anything.

    Perhaps he should stop bagging any reports that don’t gel with his own, and pretending his “unsubstantiated” version is the gospel truth.

    He stated a version, and berated the asylum seekers under the assumption of that version. When he was presented by a different version, he said wtte these other versions are all “unsubstantiated”

    Well, his version was too, he just went with it, and blamed the asylum seekers because of it. He should be sacked

  75. February 25, 2014 11:52 am

    “What are you on about ?”

    His first statement was issued on Saturday night…. His correction was issued on Tuesday.

  76. Walrus permalink
    February 25, 2014 12:00 pm

    The riot was on Monday night. He corrected himself on Saturday night

    “The riot on Monday night saw a 23-year-old male Iranian asylum seeker killed and a confirmed 62 people injured many with head wounds, during the violence. ”

    http://www.dailyexaminer.com.au/news/deadly-riot-manus-island-under-investigation/2177483/

    and

    http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/sm/2014/sm211891.htm

  77. Walrus permalink
    February 25, 2014 12:01 pm

    He had 2 press conferences on Tuesday within hours of the riot

  78. Meta permalink
    February 25, 2014 12:04 pm

    (Perhaps Morrison’s ‘talk first, ask questions later’ approach on very serious matters is emblematic of his decision-making ‘style; which might be a big problem if decision-making is a KPI of a responsible minister?)

  79. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 25, 2014 12:05 pm

    The riot was on Monday night. He corrected himself on Saturday night”

    That doesn’t seem to help his case?

  80. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 25, 2014 12:10 pm

    Much of Morrison’s trouble stems from his habit of releasing as little information as possible. What little credibility he had was lost when he had to change his story whether that was one or more days later.

    He needs to provide more information and appropriately qualify it if he isn’t sure of his sources. He should not be afraid of telling us stuff. Politically, secrecy is a bad tactic. It only encourages speculation. Better to tell us what he knows instead of waiting for an opportunity to spin.

  81. Walrus permalink
    February 25, 2014 12:10 pm

    “That doesn’t seem to help his case?”

    All I’m saying is that he conceded he might have wrong info as early as the Tuesday afternoon.

    He should not have had the first press conference or should not have given out info as to where the detaine died if it was not certain.

    Perhaps he’s feeling some pressure to be more forthcoming and at first attempt “stumbled”

    Hardly reason to sack him.

    I think Fiona Nash might have more problems in that regard but we’ll wait and see

  82. Walrus permalink
    February 25, 2014 12:16 pm

    “Much of Morrison’s trouble stems from his habit of releasing as little information as possible.”

    Well it is an ADF operation in relation to “Stopping the Boats” so in that regard why should anyone be so surprised.

    Having said that once they are in detention then more info should be forthcoming.

    But I agree on the need for the ADF to basically set the policy on boat arrivals or turning them back. That policy being “Silence”

  83. February 25, 2014 12:17 pm

    I do apologise – I got my days mixed up..

  84. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2014 12:25 pm

    But they followed, they did not lead, and they never sank to the point where their nastiness resulted in killing somebody.

    There were many suicides in detention from 2007-2013. I am not sure what your point is.

    Furthermore the Coalition was handed this mess. It will take many years to clean up.

  85. Walrus permalink
    February 25, 2014 12:31 pm

    “I do apologise – I got my days mixed up..” = Jet Lag

    By the way despite a few grenades going off in tourist areas did you find Bangkok still OK/Safe.

    Thinking of popping over there in July and staying on the River 2 days then off to a resort and back to BKK for a couple more days

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2014 12:40 pm

    But I agree on the need for the ADF to basically set the policy on boat arrivals or turning them back. That policy being “Silence”

    Only if you believe we are at war with unarmed refugees …

    I’ll keep repeating the ADF does not carry out its own agenda it must follow orders from the government of the day … the POLICY and STRATEGY comes from the Abbott Government and is tactically carried out by the RAN …

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2014 12:41 pm

    Midnight flight for us, Wally …

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2014 12:43 pm

    Why the f**k would Prime-Grub Gillard & Co put the same security firm that f**ked up security at the London Olympics in charge of part of our Border Protection.

    Indeed!

    But the qustion also begs why has the Abbott Government continued to retain their services … after so long in government …

  89. Walrus permalink
    February 25, 2014 12:50 pm

    “But the qustion also begs why has the Abbott Government continued to retain their services … after so long in government …”

    The contract runs out this Friday coming

  90. February 25, 2014 12:51 pm

    “By the way despite a few grenades going off in tourist areas did you find Bangkok still OK/Safe.”

    Yeah – perfectly safe Walrus (and TB)…

    The easiest way to get around is via the sky train (avoid the traffic at all costs)..

    Have you booked a hotel yet…?

    We generally always stay at the Chatrium (on the riverside), it’s inexpensive and the service is excellent… It’s also convenient to the sky train…

    http://chatrium.com/chatrium_hotel/

    But being a big spender you might like to treat Mrs Walrus to The Peninsula which is just gorgeous…

    http://www.peninsula.com/Bangkok/en/default.aspx

    It’s also walking distance to Asiatique – which has taken over from the old Suan Lum night market. Mrs Walrus and Mrs TB will probably like it. It’s the place to buy all your silk stuff…

    http://www.thaiasiatique.com/index.php/en

    Also – the MBK shopping mall – levels 3 and 6.

    MBK is my favourite mall in BKK although Paragon is popular too..

  91. Walrus permalink
    February 25, 2014 12:51 pm

    “Midnight flight for us, Wally …”

    When again ?

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2014 12:58 pm

    Our first trip to SE Asia so wer’e grouping it with APT …

  93. Walrus permalink
    February 25, 2014 12:58 pm

    Thanks for the tips.

    Mrs Walrus would be very interested in the Peninsula especially as it has balconies.

    I must say I like the odd Tuk Tuk death ride myself. Might just have to take an umbrella to shelter from any grenades tossed in our direction

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2014 12:59 pm

    “”When again ?”””

    When’s midnight again? 😉

  95. February 25, 2014 1:00 pm

    “I must say I like the odd Tuk Tuk death ride myself. “

    Me too… It’s one sure way to sober up after a boozy dinner.

  96. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 25, 2014 1:00 pm

    Looks like Manus Island should really be closed.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-23/whistleblower-claims-manus-island-detainees-raped/4839198

    A whistleblower who worked at the Manus Island immigration detention centre in Papua New Guinea claims detainees have been raped and abused with the full knowledge of staff….He says attempted suicides and self-harm are now an “almost daily” occurrence at the centre………….The ABC understands Immigration Minister Tony Burke planned to speak to the whistleblower after the SBS program aired.”

  97. Walrus permalink
    February 25, 2014 1:03 pm

    “Our first trip to SE Asia so wer’e grouping it with APT …”

    Oh………………..obviously you missed out on your earlier tour group courtesy of the RAAF.

    When are you going ?

  98. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 25, 2014 1:03 pm

    For some history

    When G4S began running detention centres in 2003, critics claimed it introduced a punitive regime, including solitary confinement.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/labor-breaks-detention-promise-20090119-7ku5.html#ixzz2uILumo00

    Labor should have kept their pledge and moved it back under the public sector. Like I said, they are complicit in this also

  99. Walrus permalink
    February 25, 2014 1:04 pm

    What you are off tonight ?

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2014 1:35 pm

    Yep … housesitter is on the way …

    obviously you missed out on your earlier tour group courtesy of the RAAF.

    Luckily – less “heavy” pollution in the air and underground than in 1970, based on some mates’ experiences!

    Long Tan will be interesting … (there’s a very good doco by Animex Films … the radio messaging is chilling) …

  101. February 25, 2014 10:12 pm

    ”””””””””the POLICY and STRATEGY comes from the Abbott Government and is tactically carried out by the RAN””””””””
    .
    that is exactly how l see it too TB,
    the`ran` aint just gonna go off on some half-cocked witch-hunt all by`em selves

  102. February 25, 2014 10:19 pm

    ””””””””””””””Yep………and he actually said there was some doubt over his initial statements in an interview given last Tuesday afternoon only hours after his initial statement.””””””””””
    .
    Which translates to, `our` teabags spent a lot of time blubbering their `anti`boat-people`, pro-Lib nonsense, based on bullshit-info from the morrison magot.

    #AsPerUsual

  103. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2014 11:40 pm

    manus whistleblower:

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/02/25/i-was-told-lie-manus-island-staffer

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2014 11:45 pm

    Asher Wolf reveals Ex-Queensland Member for Chatsworth Steve Kilburn was working as a Safety and Security Officer for G4S at Manus Island during last week’s violent incident:
    View story at Medium.com

  105. egg permalink
    February 26, 2014 7:36 am

    THE government has demanded Bill Shorten discipline frontbencher Stephen Conroy for breaking with convention in a “cowardly”, “unprovoked” and “outrageous” attack on a senior serving army officer.

    Coalition senator Ian Macdonald shut down a Senate estimates hearing after Senator Conroy, Labor’s defence spokesman, launched an extraordinary attack on the head of the government’s border protection operation, Lieutenant General Angus Campbell, accusing him of being involved in a political cover-up.

    Nicholson and Wilson / Oz

  106. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 26, 2014 7:48 am

    Coalition senator Ian Macdonald shut down a Senate estimates hearing after Senator Conroy…….accusing him of being involved in a political cover-up.

    So, they covered up accusations of a cover up?

  107. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 26, 2014 7:50 am

    armchair opinionator, if these claims are true, then this has turned into a complete and absolute farce, and Senator Conroy is quite right to try and get to bottom of it all.

    REPORTER: So the government can say the interviews have begun, which they been criticized internationally for.

    LIZ THOMPSON: That’s right, the interviews have begun, everything is happening. What’s not happening is any clarification about where they’ll end up. There is no process. The process does not lead anywhere except to indefinite detention.

    REPORTER: They’ll stay there forever.

    LIZ THOMPSON: Yes.

    REPORTER: So rather than alleviating the tension, the interviews have exacerbated it.

    LIZ THOMPSON: Absolutely.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story/transcript/id/601814/n/Manus-Insider

  108. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 26, 2014 7:53 am

    Is Labor FINALLY getting serious about this very serious matter

  109. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2014 9:14 am

    Conroy really is a prize fuckwit, emblematic of the boorish thuggish Labor Right.

    And he is stinking hypocrite. If anyone can’t handle the truth it is Conroy, which is why he wanted government censorship of the press.

  110. Walrus permalink
    February 26, 2014 9:14 am

    “So, they covered up accusations of a cover up?”

    If Scumbag Relevance Deprived Conroy really thought he was onto something then

    ………………………..Why did he later apologise ?

  111. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 26, 2014 1:20 pm

    Why did he later apologise ?

    Did he?

    Senator Conroy withdrew the allegation after the committee had to be adjourned, but has refused to apologise for what Prime Minister Tony Abbott has this morning labelled “a brain snap”.

    “The people who should apologise is the Australian Government for the secrecy and the deliberate misleading of (the) public,” Senator Conroy told a media pack in Parliament House.

    “In a week in which someone in the care of the Australian Government has been murdered, someone has been shot, 70 people have been injured and the minister misled the Australian public for nearly a week, it is the government that should be apologising,” he added before getting in a lift.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/stephen-conroy-resists-calls-to-apologise-to-lt-general-angus-campbell-over-asylum-coverup-claim/story-fncynjr2-1226837928940

  112. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2014 1:58 pm

    Correct. Conroy withdrew the statement because it was a stupid baseless accusation. But scum like Conroy don’t have the good grace to apologise.

    In Unionland heavyweight bovver boys don’t say sorry. Conroy is like a great rancid turd on your kitchen table. He is just wrong, he stinks to high heaven, everybody knows it but he won’t apologise for his vulgar display. He is just a fact on the ground pointing to a greater truth – in Unionland power is everything, truth is irrelevant.

    Channeling Tom Cruise is not Conroy’s forte. he should stick to wearing underpants on his head.

  113. February 26, 2014 1:59 pm

    In an interview with SBS’s Dateline, a migration agent who worked on Manus Island claims she was told to lie to inmates and labelled the government’s processing system ‘fake’….

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/02/25/i-was-told-lie-manus-island-staffer

  114. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2014 2:17 pm

    On the other side you have Morrison spinning, ducking and weaving and providing as little information as possible. Someone is dead on his watch, someone he had a duty to care for. Any chance of an apology from him? Didn’t think so. If he thinks the heat will go out of this by his delaying tactics he is greatly mistaken.

  115. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 26, 2014 2:18 pm

    Conroy withdrew the statement because it was a stupid baseless accusation.

    Yet it appears to have hit home. What else would you call it?

    And where are all of the “free press” warriors now? The Finkelstein enquiry had them screaming with outrage, even though, when examined, there was no real subjugation of the free press to be found within it. But now, when the press is being deliberately lied to and having photographs taken from them, there is a remarkable silence

  116. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2014 2:26 pm

    “The Finkelstein enquiry had them screaming with outrage,” Rightly so! “even though, when examined, there was no real subjugation of the free press to be found within it.” Utter bullshit

    Finkelfuckwit even wanted to regulate blogs!! Including this one!!!!

  117. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2014 2:53 pm

    From reb’s link:

    “That’s what Manus Island is, it’s the active creation of horror in order to secure deterrence. And that’s why I say again, Reza Barati’s death is not some kind of crisis for the department, it’s an opportunity to extend that logic, one step further – to say ‘This happens, but deterrence continues, Operation Sovereign Borders continues.”

    This one sounds like she has an agenda.

  118. Walrus permalink
    February 26, 2014 3:50 pm

    “Did he?’

    For once you appear to be correct.

    And I’m very happy to be wrong as Conroy is getting pilloried in EVERY corner of the Media this afternoon even on ABC Radio.

    Fairfax and Macquarie Networks are giving it to him and the ALP look like the idiots they are.

    Conroy = The Ugly Face of the Rudd/Gillard reign

  119. Walrus permalink
    February 26, 2014 3:50 pm

    Even Andrew Wilkie has had a go at him

  120. Walrus permalink
    February 26, 2014 4:19 pm

    “If he thinks the heat will go out of this by his delaying tactics he is greatly mistaken.”

    Perhaps

    But even Graham Richardson conceded last night that the Manus Island riot probably wont really matter to the broader electorate as they are simply looking at Boat Arrivals .

    Like I said a couple of days ago. There are 2 aspects to all this. Boat Arrivals and Detainees in Custody. People care a lot about the former but not as much about the latter.

    Conroy opened fire on the wrong target as the Electorate will be quite happy with the work of the ADF. The politics of Detainees in Custody is entirely another matter which the broader electorate cares about……..not too much.

  121. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 26, 2014 4:35 pm

    Finkelfuckwit even wanted to regulate blogs

    It’s not like they can’t be now. But what Finkelstein actually proposed was not an attack on free speech, it was just ensuring that news ltd corrected itself in a meaningful way, unlike now

    The controversial aspect of the Finkelstein proposal is that these inherent weaknesses of the Press Council mean there is a need for government involvement. This produces a reflex response among many that either censorship or corruption must follow. It should be remembered that all Australian TV and radio stations are publicly licensed but are obviously vigorous and independent, while the public broadcaster, the ABC, consistently ranks as the most trusted media organisation in the country.

    The sharpest conflict comes because, under the new proposal, publishers would not be able to opt out as they choose, but instead would have to publish the council’s findings. Also, the idea is that they would publish them in a regular agreed place in the paper so that adverse findings would not be buried.

    So two centuries of Western thought comes down to this – the right of editors to withhold from their readers the knowledge of an unwelcome adjudication on one of their stories by their peers and public according to standards they all profess to hold.

    The proposal is an attempt to make the media more accountable to their readers and those covered in the news. It does not increase the power of government to censor or restrict the media in any way. It seeks to conciliate and resolve disputes about news coverage in ways that further the free flow and exchange of information rather than restricting it.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/finkelstein-gets-a-bad-press-20120313-1uyac.html#ixzz2uP4fzhwE

  122. Meta permalink
    February 26, 2014 4:56 pm

    (It’s kinda neat how the ‘we’re ready govern’, ‘we have a Plan’, it’s all ‘fully costed and budgeted’ Abbott Government needs to rerereview and rerereflect persistently; what were they doing for 6 years in Opposition, beyond ignoring the unsustainability of things, without expanding the tax base as noted in the Henry Review and the Intergenerational Report, and otherwise wish-thinking their way into into growing a possible, unsustainable future of their own default creation?)

  123. Tony permalink
    February 26, 2014 5:05 pm

    “But what Finkelstein actually proposed was not an attack on free speech, it was just ensuring that news ltd corrected itself in a meaningful way, unlike now.”

    Guffaw!

  124. Meta permalink
    February 26, 2014 5:13 pm

    (No doubt OSB commander Lieutenant General Angus Campbell, in a joint and several (?) relationship enunciated by his direct boss, will be relieved to discover that his orderly outings with Immigration and Border Control Minister Scott Morrison to sundry offshore detention camps to deliver fine words, or none, have directly or indirectly received the big thumbs-up from international peers and observers: UN condemns ‘Australia’s Guantanamo Bay’.)

  125. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2014 5:19 pm

    “It’s not like they can’t be now. “

    Right now there isn’t a government star chamber overseeing blogs, which is what Finkelfuckwit proposed.

    I have zero tolerance for government appointed poltroons making decisions about the correctness or otherwise of what is published.

    I take it you published Tiffin’s opinion piece as some type of sad joke. That mongrel should be drummed out of the academy. He has no business there if he does not even understand the need for a free press.

    Take this stupid statement: “The proposal is an attempt to make the media more accountable to their readers and those covered in the news.”

    That drongo apparently does not understand that media are accountable to their readers who at any time can stop buying what they sell. It is the ABC that is not accountable which it is far and away the most consistently biased news source in the country. What the proposals would do is make the media more accountable to leftist dross like Tiffin or Ricketson or Finkelfuckwit.

    What this was all about was making news organisations more like the dumb leftist ABC/Crikey/Guardian/Fairfax monoculture. It was all about arse-clown Bob Brown being upset that News dared to publish articles by climate sceptics. It was about Conroy and Labor not getting the same brown-tongue treatment from News that it got from the left-dominated media.

    So bovver boy Conroy got a little committee of proto-totalitarians together to tell him how best to smack down media that he thought needed to be reined in. Funnily enough this all emerged when the worst government in living memory was being pilloried in the press. There are no coincidences in Unionland. That whole episode was nothing other than a cynical attack on democracy.

    FMD, isn’t it enough that the left have dominated academia for a generation as well as the arts and the schools? And the pretentious upper middle classes are right up their arses. But that is not good enough, apparently. Now they want to shut their critics up, maybe allow a few house-poodles to dissent, but only if they are polite about it.

    Freedom of speech and a free press are essential in any democracy. Any limitation, and there is no denying that Finkelfuckwit’s proposals were an attempt to limit free speech and press freedom, must be resisted at all costs.

    Conroy’s ham-fisted attempt to go down that road illustrates perfectly the argument for second amendment rights!

  126. Walrus permalink
    February 26, 2014 5:19 pm

    Ha…Hah….Ha

    Conroy’s ego in not apologizing has had the effect of leaving Bill Short-Term hung out to dry this afternoon.

    Who actually runs the Opposition these days ?

    Short-Term certainly doesn’t as he should have told Conroy to apologise this morning. Instead the issue of an apology has consumed the entire day.

    There is now only one way out for Short-Term.

    Short-Term has to turn the attack back onto Abbott and demand a National Apology Day for the General

  127. Meta permalink
    February 26, 2014 5:26 pm

    (Freedom of information is indeed necessary in a marketplace of ideas; but what of misinformation, or quality of information; does that add to or detract from a well-functioning democracy; and does the public have a right to know when its information supply is being adulterated, say, by evil Leftists or benign lobbyist toadies?)

  128. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2014 5:44 pm

    One thing is certain – government-appointed pious poltroons are the last people who should be allowed to decide whether something is “misinformation” or “quality information”. We have enough finger-wagging professional scolds as it is.

    Ordinary people are quite capable of deciding what media they wish to consume. They are much smarter than dumb leftists could ever comprehend precisely because they are not part of the intelligentsia. Thus they don’t spend their days with their heads up their arses strutting their exquisite consciences for all to see.

  129. February 26, 2014 6:03 pm

    What IvIeta said @ 5:26pm…

    Splitting hairs is their thing though, much to the detriment of all of us underlings…

  130. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 26, 2014 6:05 pm

    and does the public have a right to know when its information supply is being adulterated

    Summed up Finkelstein perfectly right their. Unlike the rubbish about a “star chamber” Truly tin foil hat stuff there.

  131. February 26, 2014 6:06 pm

    I think it’s perfectly reasonable for Conroy to assert that General Campbell is involved in a cover up. If anything, it’s the Libs who are using the military for political purposes.

    Campbell has simply become Morrison’s bitch.

    For the Libs to demand an apology simply reeks of RANK HYPOCRISY!!

  132. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2014 6:40 pm

    I think it’s perfectly reasonable for Conroy to assert that General Campbell is involved in a cover up.”

    Either Conroy has evidence to back this claim, or not. If he has evidence he should say what it is. If not he should apologise and go back to his kennel, stand in front of his mirror and work on his awful Tom Cruise impersonation.

    I don’t have much time for dumb spiteful cowards like Conroy.

  133. February 26, 2014 6:44 pm

    Bottom, the fact that Morrison refuses to divulge any information about Manus Island and insists on Campbell’s compliance demonstrates that there is a cover up.

    What is the health status of those who were injured during the recent riots?

    Who do we ask to find out the answers??

  134. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 26, 2014 6:47 pm

    I agree completely about Morrison. I don’t like public servants being slurred in committees where they have no real way of defending themselves from scum like Conroy.

  135. February 26, 2014 6:53 pm

    Hey Splatter I have read the Finkelstein paper can you show me anywhere in the report that states anything other than media outlets , should be factual?.. In light of Murdoch’s attack on our democracy from the propaganda unit of the Fiberal party bunker at Newscorps would you not consider that a rather biased point of view? Ya think Maybe? I will wait with baited breath for your staunched defense of Rupert the Red china Commo book peddling phone hacker…he’s a real defender of Syndicated free speech ROTFPML . Fuck me the rhetorical nonsense around this “free speech” oh no sorry we’re “entertainment”, no whoopsie sorry “opinion”… merrygoround of bullshit, is such a fucking hypocritical farce.

    The Labor party may have come from the Union movement but the Liberals come from the over lords of the IPA, a dark sinister bunch of orrible deadshits.

  136. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 26, 2014 7:03 pm

    Either Conroy has evidence to back this claim, or not.

    Do we have any information from this guy, or is it all “operational matters”?

    Because the lack of information IS the evidence

  137. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 26, 2014 7:05 pm

    where they have no real way of defending themselves from scum like Conroy.

    Well, in order to defend himself, all he had to do was answer questions. After all, that is what the senate is for?

  138. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 26, 2014 7:05 pm

    Free Speech

  139. February 26, 2014 7:37 pm

    Oh shit! I forgot…. It’s ok that people seeking our help were murdered cos right now I’m watching a TV show where arguing over the quality of the breakfast dish is more important….

  140. February 26, 2014 8:07 pm

    The Cone of wilful indifference silence will wear thin pretty quickly if AbbottCorp. keep using it as a SOP for dealing with inconvenient political trends.

    With all but the tragic bootlicking adherents, that is…

  141. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 26, 2014 8:10 pm

    Shorten is backing his man, even though the news just said Labor had basically hung him out to dry. Guess they didn’t watch QT

  142. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 26, 2014 8:12 pm

    Free Speech Liberal style

  143. February 26, 2014 8:12 pm

    I’m not sure that the government realises how patronising & repellent their apparent strategy of ‘We Know What You Need To Know’ is.

    In my humble opinion, it does indeed fly in the face of ‘healthy’ democracy.

    Keep us uninformed, divide us & conquer us.

    I would hate for this to become standard procedure for future Australian governments; irrespective of alignment.
    Sadly, if it is efficient, it will be contemporarily adopted.

  144. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 26, 2014 8:13 pm

    The soldier heading “Operation Sovereign Borders” is indeed engaged in a political cover-up. Other bureaucrats aren’t quite so skilled. Crikey compares some key hearings in Canberra yesterday.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/02/26/cant-handle-the-truth-on-the-front-line-in-the-coalitions-war-on-scrutiny/

  145. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 26, 2014 8:17 pm

    Interesting point in Keanes article

    Campbell’s no Colonel Jessup, invoked by Conroy in a reference to A Few Good Men, because Campbell is now a bureaucrat. It pays to read the transcript, because part of it is a process whereby Conroy — who is now a veteran shit-stirrer from both sides of the table in Senate committees — asks Campbell to explain exactly the nature of his role: is it military or is it civilian? Campbell seemed to say that when he’s directing non-military activities, he’s not military — that makes him a civilian, presumably — and only when he’s directing military activities is acting as a military officer, but he agreed that Operation Sovereign Borders was not a military operation but a “joint agency taskforce”.
    …………..
    So the Coalition’s outrage about Conroy’s decidedly anodyne description of Campbell participating in a “political cover-up” — to which Campbell professed to take great offence and at which point the hearing was simply shut down by the chair — is even stranger given Campbell’s role. This is the Coalition that routinely attacked then-treasury secretary Ken Henry as a partisan figure, but then feigns high dudgeon at the Martyrdom of St Angus. Perhaps the government thinks that, because of his military status, Campbell should be immune from criticism or scrutiny, which would be handy — the government could put military officers in charge of every portfolio and let all that well-polished brass deflect efforts to shine a light into the workings of government.

  146. February 26, 2014 8:20 pm

    It sickens me that we seem to be heading down the path of politicising our attack Defence Forces coz assisting a superpower in foreign invasion & occupation definitely isn’t offensive…no sir! .

    The perfect scapegoats, with no appreciable right of dissent.

    Of course, all of this could be short circuited by a forthcoming Immigration Minister.

    Operational Reasons is a farcical cop out.

  147. February 26, 2014 8:22 pm

    “Perhaps the government thinks that, because of his military status, Campbell should be immune from criticism or scrutiny, which would be handy — the government could put military officers in charge of every portfolio and let all that well-polished brass deflect efforts to shine a light into the workings of government.”

    Precisely!

    Dangerous precedent.

    Fuck sacred cows, jingoistic paternalism & martial reverence.

  148. February 26, 2014 8:24 pm

    ”””””””””””
    There is no process, the process doesn’t lead anywhere except indefinite detention.
    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/02/25/i-was-told-lie-manus-island-staffer
    ”””””””””””’

    and there it is rusted-on`s,

    both sides of the canberra duopoly are depots

    #nice.find.armchair

  149. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 26, 2014 8:53 pm

    Dangerous precedent.

    Which is why Labor are correct to challenge this.

  150. February 26, 2014 8:58 pm

    ”””’We Know What You Need To Know’ is.””””

    ””””””’In my humble opinion, it does indeed fly in the face of ‘healthy’ democracy.”””

    ”’healthy democracy””’ after the last federal election, l aint that sure we really even have a so-called `democracy`, to call it `healthy` would go way too far 🙂

  151. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 26, 2014 9:10 pm

    I guess they call it “democracy”

    Really? A man has been killed and we are talking about Senator Conroy?: Bandt

    http://www.adambandt.com/really_a_man_has_been_killed_and_we_are_talking_about_senator_conroy_bandt

    In this poisoned environment, it is how the debate moves.

  152. February 26, 2014 9:34 pm

    ”””””””””””””Parliament has yet again missed the point,” said Mr Bandt.
    http://www.adambandt.com/really_a_man_has_been_killed_and_we_are_talking_about_senator_conroy_bandt
    ””””””””””””””””””

    That post smacks of Melbourne based Leftism Jagged, some here would suggest you stay away from it. _ #Latte

  153. egg permalink
    February 26, 2014 9:38 pm

    ‘Shorten makes his powerless against Conroy even more obvious. He lets it be known to the ABC that he told Conroy the military deserves his respect – which is an acknowledgement that Conroy crossed a line.

    ‘But Shorten didn’t ask Conroy to take the obvious next step and apologise – which is acknowledgement that Conroy is behind his control and won’t.

    ‘Shorten’s lack of power is in fact not surprising. What is surprising is that Conroy is so prepared to rub that powerlessness in his face. Conroy has put his pride before his party.’

    Andrew Bolt

  154. February 26, 2014 10:00 pm

    ”””””””””””””””””””Morrison refuses to divulge any information about Manus Island and insists on Campbell’s compliance demonstrates that there is a cover up.

    What is the health status of those who were injured during the recent riots?

    Who do we ask to find out the answers??(reb)”””””””””””””””””
    .
    .
    #
    ””””””””””””””””’RIP Reza Berati.. but honestly, this event is the reaper face of a corporatist state which allows refugees to be treated like prisoners, in camps run by corporations which make money operating private prisons. Abbott, Morrison and all Liberal voters have blood on their hands. On the same note the ALP in this case are simply lucky to now be in opposition, but their corporatist approach to running the Australian state (and not less than the facility at Manus Island) is no better. Shame on all involved in setting up Manus Island the way it is, for their filthy discompassionate treatment of some of the planet’s most vulnerable human beings.(@Tara_Moss) February 24, 2014 at 11:18 am
    http://leesalittle.com/2014/02/24/tara-moss-reveals-disturbing-details-about-the-murder-on-manus/#comment-1038
    ”””””””””””””””””’
    .
    .
    then read the post teabags

  155. February 26, 2014 10:07 pm

    Mountain cats will come, to drag away your bones…

  156. Walrus permalink
    February 26, 2014 10:50 pm

    So according to most of you Andrew Wilkie is now a misguided LNP apologist.

    How funny

  157. Meta permalink
    February 26, 2014 11:28 pm

    (Disturbing is an understatement for Moss’s detailed recounting; and placing human beings (back) into that (psychological) environment, now with even more business-as-usual and extra-security to bolster a sense of surreal normality, almost beggars belief. Yet, the show goes on: “I would not go back because there is no process, nothing for me to do, no process to assist people with – it’s fake,” she said.”It’s not designed as a processing facility, it’s designed as an experiment in the active creation of horror to deter people from trying in the first place.”)

  158. Meta permalink
    February 27, 2014 1:03 am

    (Maybe Johnson, Abbott and Pyne were just praising military officers when initially asserting that deadly circumstance in Afghanistan was something other than just a ‘shit happens’ occasion; and perhaps ‘manning up’ still ain’t what was required, then or now; at least if Wilkie’s caveat is to be given any credence.)

  159. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 27, 2014 6:37 am

    ”It’s not designed as a processing facility, it’s designed as an experiment in the active creation of horror to deter people from trying in the first place.”

    It’s clear that she does have an agenda. Shining a light appears to be that agenda. And, if the Government weren’t trying to hide behind their three star, then the “agenda” would not be needed.

    Well done to Conroy and Shorten for standing up for the light (finally). How bolt can come up with “Shorten has no power” after Shorten eviscerated the Government over this in QT is not surprising at all.

    It is 1 hr 13 mins in

    “They say that patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels”

  160. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2014 8:46 am

    Bed Pann, here is The Fuckwit’s plan to regulate blogs:

    If a publisher distributes more than 3000 copies of print per issue or a news internet site has a minimum of 15 000 hits per annum it should be subject to the jurisdiction of the News Media Council, but not otherwise.

  161. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2014 8:52 am

    Well done to Conroy and Shorten for standing up for the light (finally).

    Decent parliamentarians like Andrew Wilkie get it even if the lockstep lickspittle dross don’t.

    Shorten’s position is understandable – he is loyal to the Unionland heavyweight who installed him as leader and is quite prepared to beclown himself as he dances to the tune of his puppet-master. At least we now have a clear picture as to who is Boss Bovver Boy in the Shortcon faction.

  162. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2014 9:04 am

    Jiggy Jherk it is already quite obvious where you take your marching orders from without you saturating the place with the Crikey version of Cuntology 101.

    Why not take a moment from your unctuous regurgitation of Unionland talking points and have a chuckle at this:

    Oh The Horror, The Horror.

  163. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 27, 2014 10:01 am

    and have a chuckle at this:

    Turnbull lecturing on “truth and facts”?

    How much did their biased and weighted appraisal of Labors NBN actually come to? And how much did they tell the voters it said?

  164. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2014 10:13 am

    Aw c’mon Jiggy. That was far funnier and much, much less offensive than Conroy’s cretinous attempt.

  165. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 27, 2014 10:19 am

    That was far funnier

    Yes, it is all fun isn’t it, the armed forces being used to cover for Government policies that have led to the killing of someone under their care.

    Conroy may have gone over the top, but, he is correct. And, journalists are FINALLY looking at what is an obvious abuse of our military.

    The Labor leader, Bill Shorten, has accused the government of engaging in “kindergarten, flag waving, faux patriotism” as parliament descended into uproar over claims about the conduct of the military commander of the operation to stop asylum seeker boat arrivals.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/26/shorten-accuses-faux-patriotism-campbell-cover-up-

  166. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 27, 2014 10:20 am

    Stephen Conroy over-reached when he accused Lieutenant-General Angus Campbell of a ”political cover-up” during his ill-judged intervention at a Senate hearing on Tuesday that should have been focused on what led to the chaos and carnage on Manus Island last week.

    But the Abbott government’s over-reaction on Wednesday exposed the hypocrisy of Immigration Minister Scott Morrison, and may have provided a turning point for Opposition Leader Bill Shorten.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/coalition-stumbles-on-high-moral-ground-20140226-33ihq.html#ixzz2uTO5rSQB

  167. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2014 10:26 am

    “The Labor leader, Bill Shorten, has accused the government of engaging in “kindergarten, flag waving, faux patriotism” “

    While doing exactly the same thing to cover up for a grimy colleague! The comparisons with Gillard’s misogyny rant are most apt.

  168. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 27, 2014 10:34 am

    The comparisons with Gillard’s misogyny rant are most apt.

    Yes, because, again, the murdoch media prefer to ignore the message and focus instead on the out of context “context”

  169. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2014 10:40 am

    The “message” is that when your do shameless hypocrisy for political advantage, shrill platitudes will gain you plaudits from the brainless left. Emotional wanking trumps logic every time with that lot.

  170. February 27, 2014 10:45 am

    The comparisons with Gillard’s misogyny rant are most apt.

    Maybe you should ask the special minister for women’s affairs 🙄

    What an interesting perspective you have 🙄

    That is exactly how this bunch of dictators got elected, not unlike the Nazi’s; xenophobic flag waving nationalistic propaganda complete with concentration camps.

  171. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2014 10:55 am

    “……not unlike the Nazi’s; xenophobic flag waving nationalistic propaganda complete with concentration camps.”

    Whenever the Left knows its lost the argument it turns to comparisons with the Nazis……………Always

  172. February 27, 2014 10:58 am

  173. February 27, 2014 11:06 am

    Whenever the Left knows its lost the argument it turns to comparisons with the Nazis……………Always

    What with the xenophobia, misogyny, lies, non disclosure of intentions, persecution, castigation of academics, rewriting of history, obliteration of conditions, the attempt’s to legalise discrimination, control of information and installation of extreme right win thinking?,

  174. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2014 11:16 am

    Always!

  175. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 27, 2014 11:22 am

    when your do shameless hypocrisy for political advantage

    Yes, that is what the Liberals are doing, and Conroy has highlighted it for our shameless media. Of course they will try and spin it away, but it is obvious for all watching what is going on.

    The fact that the Australian is out in full force force in indignation mode is enough to tell anyone that Conroy hit the nerve where it is most painful, the truth

  176. February 27, 2014 11:28 am

    and always the parallels are astonishing

  177. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2014 11:46 am

    Face facts-

    • Conroy’s ill-disciplined comment was outrageous and typical of a bitter, has-been hack who is used to throwing his factional numbers around to get compliance
    • When this doesn’t work, like the hack he is, he angrily insults people
    • When his anger subsides, he doesn’t apologies for his bullying behaviour
    • Conroy is a cnut

  178. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 27, 2014 11:51 am

    When this doesn’t work, like the hack he is, he angrily insults people
    …..
    Conroy is a cnut

    ?

  179. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 27, 2014 11:51 am

    ?

  180. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2014 12:22 pm

    “The fact that the Australian is out in full force force in indignation mode is enough to tell anyone that Conroy hit the nerve where it is most painful is a dumb Unionland bovver boy”

  181. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2014 12:23 pm

    Spot on, ToM

  182. February 27, 2014 12:30 pm

    No argument from me Conroy is a knob..but is it so outrageous and an attack on the military that he states the bleatingly obvious… its a monumental political cover up.

    There ya go again splatter with that union bad diarrhea again. Conroy was never in the labor movement.

  183. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2014 12:49 pm

    Ricky – ” Conroy was never in the labor movement.”

    Now I’m not really pedantic Ricky but the ALP bio on Conroy says “Stephen moved to Melbourne and worked at the Transport Workers’ Union”

    http://www.alp.org.au/stephen_conroy

  184. February 27, 2014 12:59 pm

    I sorry I stand corrected.. He was the Superannuation officer for the TWU

  185. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2014 1:07 pm

    “Conroy was never in the labor movement.”

    WTF???

    Conroy is the archetypal Unionland careerist. From uni to ALP staffer to the TWU to politician. Conroy is emblematic of the real problem the ALP has. It is no longer a party of workers – it is a party of ambitious unprincipled hustlers.

    Conroy became a senator by age 33, without having worked in the real world. To get there he no doubt utilised his skills in pure and applied thuggery imbibed from his patron the disgusting Robert Ray.

  186. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2014 1:10 pm

    “I stand corrected…”

    Decent of you. Now try to start thinking and please try to keep standing. What ever you do don’t resume your former posture – bending over for the Unionland cartel

  187. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 27, 2014 1:26 pm

    20 years ago, superannuation officer was the key non elected position in unions. Super was emerging as the new recruitment tool and a new souce of benefits for union officials.

    Those appointments were among the most influential in unions, it wasn’t a clerks job.

  188. February 27, 2014 1:29 pm

    Try thinking, ? That Hilarious coming from a bloke who at every given opportunity, spouts obsessive mindless hatred for unions. Get you’re hand off it Splatter you’ll go blind.

    He is still correct though..its a monumental political cover up and in typical Liberal form. they are diverting the fact that he has “hit the nail on the head”, the essence of exactly what is happening by twisting it to be some type of attack on the military… Typical..look over there, fiberal high moral ground, hypocritical, nationalism bullshit..

  189. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2014 2:26 pm

    Ricky I am as critical of the government as anyone else on this thread. I am also critical of Conroy’s asinine arrogance.

    He has created a perfect diversion for the government and his puppet Shorten has exacerbated the situation by so obviously dancing to Conroy’s tune.

    If you cared less about the ALP winning every little point and more about Manus issue you would also be angry at the Conroy/Shorten antics. Andrew Wilkie did and he his no Lib stooge. This issue is not hard to comprehend if you actually think about it instead of reflexively backing Underpants Conroy. Conroy is emblematic of the problem of union domination of the ALP.

    I am certainly not going to shut about the unions until they clean up their act:

    • Endemic corruption has been exposed at the top levels of the ALP and the unions.
    • A union leader and recent ALP president has pleaded guilty to criminal charges.
    • Thomson has been convicted (the deranged pleading by Wixxy notwithstanding).
    • Major unions are in partnership with organised crime gangs.
    • The police are still investigating a former ALP PM.
    • ICAC has just identified ALP/union corruption on a massive scale

    And you want people to lay off the unions?????????????

    Typically, the Unions and their creature Shorten are working desperately to stop the Royal Commission into union fraud. What a fucking joke!

  190. February 27, 2014 3:29 pm

    Splatter I would hardly call a few instances that have been seized upon by the ideology impresarios of evil unionism, the fiberals atypical of an epidemic of union corruption. Like you, I deplore “endemic” corruption whether in unions or a ministerial lobbyist staffer closing down a health website due to undisclosed interests as a peddler of junk food (the anti health industry).

    Unions are not above criticism, my father was a prominent trade unionist, devoting his life to the cause of safety and fair pay. He would want Thomson skinned alive and rightfully so. Lets not pretend that Brandis is doing nothing more than being a complete lowlife in regard to retribution assisted by the propaganda unit at Newscorp. Anything that deviated from this propaganda is leftist propaganda, what a crock. They have thrown everything at Gillard and have proven nothing, nada zip…

    The Hypocrisy of this government knows no bounds…oh we are broke, crisis they say, but we have plenty for a royal commission into unions and sticking Rudd or Garret on the stand to try and cement public opinion wrapped in puerile political opportunism. Its quite transparently pathetic

    As unsavory as Conroy’s delivery may have been, he is 100% correct this is a political cover up. Not that we will ever know because its “operational” the new code word for subterfuge. This “how dare you” faux nationalistic outrage, especially coming from Morrison supported by Murdoch, a man of highly questionable morality veiled in “christian” and a man not fit to run a business in the UK is mournfully despicable and a national disgrace.

  191. egg permalink
    February 27, 2014 3:39 pm

    ‘They have thrown everything at Gillard and have proven nothing, nada zip…’

    We need a little more time and a Royal Commission to sort her out.

  192. February 27, 2014 4:01 pm

    By the way Spaltter a “News site” is not a blog. They are talking about Crikey and Matilda which are registered Incorporated companies, not Gutter Trash and AIMN. Subscription sites and sites that sell stuff. Most definantly not the Blogashere

  193. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 27, 2014 4:06 pm

    We need a little more time and a Royal Commission to sort her out.

    Don’t you mean so news limited can smear her a bit more?

  194. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2014 4:14 pm

    “………..Murdoch, a man of highly questionable morality veiled in “christian” and a man not fit to run a business in the UK is mournfully despicable and a national disgrace.”

    Who the fuck will you Lefties have left to blame once Murdoch finally drops off his perch…………….?

  195. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2014 4:18 pm

    “They are talking about Crikey and Matilda which are registered Incorporated companies,…………………..”

    And where that is distinction made as it seems a rather unusual way to distinguish something on the basis of simply whether its a “corporate”

  196. February 27, 2014 4:35 pm

    Walrus as always , you are highly irrational… It was not me who decided he was not a fit person to won a business in the UK and it wasn’t the lefties who were peddling commo propaganda on a book tour…

    Walrus you are monumentally stupid sometimes.. Commercial sites that are registered domains in the country of origin most of which have staff that are paid to write..dickhead.

  197. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2014 4:46 pm

    “Walrus you are monumentally stupid sometimes..”

    Perhaps I am stooooooopid* as I glance at my almost 360 degree view at sodden grey skies over the Tasman and Broken Bay from my ivory tower here in Palm Beach.

    But I’ll repeat my fucking stupid question anyway.

    Where is the clause making that distinction ?

    * Note to self to tell bank manager tomorrow that he is having lunch with one fucked up useless stupid CA.

    Ya know Ricky…………….I feel so hurt everytime you speak to me like that

    So where is that distinction made ?

  198. February 27, 2014 4:50 pm

    Pfft why do I bother 🙄

  199. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2014 4:56 pm

    “By the way Spaltter a “News site” is not a blog.”

    As usual, Bed Pann, you are hopelessly, irredeemably wrong. I refer you to paragraph 11.67 of The Fuckwit’s report, part of which I quoted earlier in this thread. The full paragraph makes plain that The Fuckwit is targeting, inter alia, blogs:

    The second change arises from the fact that there are many newsletter publishers and bloggers, although no longer part of the ‘lonely pamphleteer’ tradition, who offer up-to-date reflections on current affairs. Quite a number have a very small audience. There are practical reasons for excluding from the definition of ‘news media’ publishers who do not have a sufficiently large audience. If a publisher distributes more than 3000 copies of print per issue or a news internet site has a minimum of 15 000 hits per annum it should be subject to the jurisdiction of the News Media Council, but not otherwise. These numbers are arbitrary, but a line must be drawn somewhere.

  200. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2014 5:02 pm

    “Pfft why do I bother”

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…………………..I kinda thought you might say that.

    Afterall there is only so much bullshit per day that even you can make up on the run.

    Or perhaps I underestimate your ability ???????????????? LOL

  201. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2014 5:06 pm

    “………If a publisher distributes more than 3000 copies of print per issue or a news internet site has a minimum of 15 000 hits per annum……….”

    = on average 41 hits per day

    Looks like your blog is rock solid safe Ricky…………..LOL

  202. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2014 5:24 pm

    Jibbering Jerker put up a post at 11:51am purportedly of the front page of the Telegraph which seemed to get the Generals’ names arse about.

    I just opened the Telegraph to that page (ours is delivered in the morning so would I imagine be amongst first off the presses) and there is no error in the caption on mine.

    What I do find a bit strange is the way the bottom corner of that photo is completely cutoff plus the rough bit in that corner at the very bottom of the page.

    Kinda interesting I think

  203. February 27, 2014 5:26 pm

    ”””””””””The full paragraph makes plain that The Fuckwit is targeting, inter alia, blogs:”””””””’

    l tend to agree splatter, the fcukwit(conroy.?) has no hope in hell of policing `all` the other platforms, which are all based in teh-usa, and then try and whittle out `aussies` to prosecute, the whole thing is unworkable. lt also desn`t seem to cover the `reblog` `retweet` and `share` functions across platforms. Extending it beyond `major` orgs is totally fool-hardy.

  204. egg permalink
    February 27, 2014 5:28 pm

    ‘Don’t you mean so news limited can smear her a bit more?’

    No, they are doing their job in a fair and balanced way. Jools has history and the electorate needs to know the gos.

  205. February 27, 2014 5:42 pm

    Conroy was always a cunt, near as I can remember.

    Paternalist Censorial Arch-moralistic Conservative Liberty-raping Internet filter? anyone…

    That’s not to say that there weren’t seeds of merit in his highlighting the insipid ‘operational reasons’ façade.
    Witness the way the government have gone in hard with the martial flagsturbation diversionary tactics.
    None of it would be necessary, had they not pursued a policy of information strangulation…

    I say, fuck him & fuck them…bothways, with a clawhammer (claw end first, obviously)…

  206. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2014 5:46 pm

    I was with you up to the last four words, TBoss.

    If they want claw end first they should have to pay extra like everyone else.

  207. February 27, 2014 5:52 pm

    “He has created a perfect diversion for the government and his puppet Shorten has exacerbated the situation by so obviously dancing to Conroy’s tune.”

    Sadly, yes.

    The slop bucket runeth over…

  208. Walrus permalink
    February 27, 2014 5:57 pm

    No this is funny…………….

    Over at the Cafe Catching Up has broken her own record with (I count) 36 consecutive posts on one Thread.

    There is not a single post interupting her endless flow of crap

    ROLL ON FLOOR LAUGHING MY ARSE OFF BIG TIME

  209. February 27, 2014 5:59 pm

    The irony of Bolt using Wilkie, someone he despicably set out to cynically assassinate the integrity of with his disproportionate public soapbox, as a source of political point scoring, shouldn’t be overlooked.

  210. February 27, 2014 6:02 pm

    You may like to look up the word arbitrary as in “These numbers are arbitrary, but a line must be drawn somewhere”
    arbitrary

    adjective
    1.
    based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.

    The point was to have the news organisations subject to some semblance of accountability. There is currently no regulation other than the law at the country of origin. If your server and domain registration is OS it is impossible to enforce any accountability. Also News.com.au is not subject to the same accountability as its print version. If the moved the servers to Manus island they could essentially do whatever they want.
    But of course we see all the time how self regulation works so well.

  211. February 27, 2014 6:11 pm

    Fuck, I haven’t looked over there for quite a while. It’s timeless in its partisan consistency. Boring as batshit.

    A short dead end alley off of the puerile wankfest thoroughfare of uber-alignment & softleft agonising which is AIMN.
    Strangely, the little one birthed the big one. Still, the genetics are stark & invite eugenocide.

  212. February 27, 2014 6:12 pm

    Toilet Bolt would skin his granny and drink his own jizz for self promoting brand blabbing masquerading as jounalism, the irony is just another affirmation of his gargantuan hypocracy

  213. February 27, 2014 6:24 pm

    Indeed. Yes, I believe he would.

    His indignation is selective in the extreme.

    By such duality, we know him for what he is.

    His premature reactions & blog commentary, the day Anders Behring Breivik carried out his heinous atrocities, stand as immemorial testament to his (Bolt’s) professional obscurantist tendencies.

  214. egg permalink
    February 27, 2014 6:46 pm

    ‘self promoting brand blabbing masquerading as jounalism’ (sic)

    You are exaggerating.

  215. February 27, 2014 6:48 pm

    No, you are swallowing & willingly assimilating; presumably because he croons your sympathetic anti-AGW siren song.

  216. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2014 6:49 pm

    “The point was to have the news organisations subject to some semblance of accountability.”

    That highlights the basis of our difference on this issue. News organisations should be accountable only to their readers. The government has no business policing news organisations. If and to the extent it does, the press is not free.

  217. February 27, 2014 6:50 pm

    Don’t mistake Bolt for a seer.

    He is Partisan Arsehattery writ large.

    He is the Pied Piper of Rightwing Simpleton Polemics in our country.

  218. egg permalink
    February 27, 2014 6:52 pm

    ‘No, you are swallowing & willingly assimilating’

    With respect, Toilet, its not my style.

  219. February 27, 2014 6:55 pm

    “The government has no business policing news organisations.”

    I agree, but ‘news’ is a debauched term, which monopolists disguise as partisan opinion in recent times.

    True ‘News’ is a public essential. The battle is to mislead the uninformed with polemic misinformation, spin, reinterpretation, revisionism & ‘alternative analysis’ (read, apologetics).

  220. egg permalink
    February 27, 2014 6:55 pm

    ‘He is the Pied Piper of Rightwing Simpleton Polemics in our country.’

    Bolt is a rightwing opinion leader NTTIAWWT.

  221. February 27, 2014 6:56 pm

    Fai enough, el gorod…and I must say, I know you don’t always concur with Bolt’s stances which have nothing to do with AGW; to your credit.

    I apologise for the blunt, incorrect generality.

  222. February 27, 2014 6:57 pm

    “Bolt is a rightwing opinion leader NTTIAWWT.”

    Yes, there is a well defined niche for that, but his ‘output’ should be recognised as such.

  223. egg permalink
    February 27, 2014 7:07 pm

    ‘The battle is to mislead the uninformed with polemic misinformation, spin, reinterpretation, revisionism…’

    The battle is between opposing political viewpoints in a democracy, there is news and opinion. Fairfax have their opinionated individuals as does News, leaving the electorate to make up their own mind.

  224. egg permalink
    February 27, 2014 7:09 pm

    ‘I apologise for the blunt, incorrect generality.’

    That’s OK boss, I’m sitting on the fence these days and its a fabulous view.

  225. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2014 7:16 pm

    Bolt is remarkable for the amount he produces. He, like most journos, should be read with his frame of reference in mind. In amongst it all he makes a lot of very good points as well as quite a lot I disagree with.

    His success is in large part due to him being a different voice in a media landscape dominated by a leftist monoculture. He is a good starting point if you want to step off the reservation and hear something other than the same politically correct ABC/Fairfax/Guardian/Crikey approved leftist view of the world jammed down your throat by the plethora like-minded hacks employed by those organisations.

    That is why the left is so desperate to shut him up. Not content with totally dominating the media landscape they now want to shut down all dissenting voices.

  226. February 27, 2014 7:25 pm

    I’m not for shutting him up at all.

    Monocular dickheads like him are their own best/worst promulgators of making the crap they regurgitate (in Bolt’s case, a lot of it is fertilised with misplaced [for Australian audiences] US conservative memes & indignations) reflect all of the colours of the rainbow of intellectual defecation.

    Let him talk/spruce shit on TV/squeal on radio…for every limpetlike rightwing arselicker he attracts he’ll repel two more moderates with his transparent rubbish.

  227. February 27, 2014 7:26 pm

    * spruce shit…

  228. February 27, 2014 7:39 pm

    ””””’I’m sitting on the fence these days””””””’

    Bullshit Dumpty. You regularly swallow the bolt-borg jizz, sometimes even guzzle it. When it comes to the bolt-borg `gas` you always inhale deeply as you `have` been assimilated.

    Dumpty, your resistance is futile. ` 😆 ` 😆 ` 😆 ` 😆

  229. February 27, 2014 7:47 pm

    ””””””desperate to shut him up.”””””””’
    #bolt #splatter
    .
    disagree fully, bolt is the canary in the coal-mine,

    always pointing in the wrong direction, and because of this, we always understand the correct information is in the opposite direction bolt points, l hope he stays a long time, he makes researching a lot easier

  230. Tony permalink
    February 27, 2014 7:51 pm

    Bolt’s blog is a daily must-read for me. The topics are usually interesting, and his take on them thought-provoking. Non-wingnuts love to hate him. Witness the rants above.

  231. February 27, 2014 7:53 pm

    His success is in large part due to him being a WELL FUNDED IPA voice in AN SUB-STANDARD media landscape dominated by a TRIVIAL AND CORPOculture.

    #bolt #splatter

  232. February 27, 2014 7:56 pm

    That highlights the basis of our difference on this issue. News organisations should be accountable only to their readers.

    Why stop there advertising? Hospitals? So are you saying that there should be no accountability to tell the truth, differentiate opinion from news or paid opinion or endorsed opinion?
    Fair cop that is ridiculous Splatter. We had a complete network show the most disgraceful bias ever perpetrated, Bias I can cop…thats your option. If you listen t Hadley and Bolt thats fine, but Lies, chaff bag misogyny, racism and pure vindication is not acceptable in any democracy. Like Bolt blurting out oh this is a sad day for free speech when his article was designed to vindicate people on the basis of race for nothing more than promotion. Or a network paying a drug smuggler 2 mill for an interview. You want free speech at least have people accountable to the truth FFS.

  233. February 27, 2014 8:00 pm

    ””””’Non-wingnuts love to hate him.”””””
    #bolt #scales`osy
    .
    as a non-wingnut, l don`t hate bolt scales`osy, what l think non-wingnuts DO HATE, is the wingnuts and trolls that splatter the interwebs with his bullshit, trying to derail threads

    #not.all.sources.are.equal

  234. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 27, 2014 8:04 pm

    Fairfax have their opinionated individuals as does News, leaving the electorate to make up their own mind.

    Opinionators can opinionate their was if they want. Yes, Fairfax have their far left rant squad like Harcher and Kenny (sic), but it is the news sections that are letting down the readership. murdochs rags news sections reek of partisan barracking and wilful disinformation of its readership. The market is NOT deciding, because the Australian, the trendsetter for the news cycle, which the ABC slops along behind, runs at a monumental loss. That is not the market deciding, that is an owner of a media outlet prepared to take hit in one arm of his empire in order to try and manipulate events for the benefit of the rest of his empire.

    News Limited fails repeatedly to offer up anything resembling news. It is a formulated advertising campaign intended to sway its readership in order to further its ownership. You’ve been had.

    Here is the adjudication, followed by the documentation I am allowed to publish, since I thought readers and media practitioners, academics and journalism students may be interested in the process. The No Fibs archive of our pursuit of accountability in the Ashby saga is here. – See more at: http://nofibs.com.au/2014/02/27/press-council-upholds-margokingston1-complaint-dailytelegraph-ashbygate/#sthash.j6Jwkpdq.323d97T6.dpuf

  235. Tony permalink
    February 27, 2014 8:09 pm

    It would be nice if one of you actually explained the deficiencies in his arguments for a change. You know, address what he actually says, then rebut it with reasoned argument, instead of explaining what a terrible person he is. If his arguments are so wrong, it shouldn’t be that hard.

  236. February 27, 2014 8:11 pm

    “Bolt’s blog is a daily must-read for me. The topics are usually interesting, and his take on them thought-provoking. Non-wingnuts love to hate him. Witness the rants above.”

    What a revelation. 🙄

    The topics are always predictable & serve only to reinforce the preconceived ideas of the ideologically beholden.
    When somebody points these truisms out, the typical diversion is to proclaim it to be a rant.

    Unwittingly, some of his daily adherents occasionally inadvertently out themselves as wingnuts, rather than masquerading as voices of reason, as is their want.

    guffaw

  237. February 27, 2014 8:14 pm

    He is a clearing house for rightwing memes.

    I don’t know if he’s a horrible person. I’d need to encounter him personally to deduce that; several times.

    His arguments are self defeating because they are (generally) shallow (AGW aside) generalist & utterly polemic. They rarely represent anything other than supremely one-sided opinion & regularly ignore any non-assimilant information by default.

  238. February 27, 2014 8:15 pm

    I have been able to detect the smell of his opinion on the breath of you & snacty for many years.

  239. February 27, 2014 8:16 pm

    ””’It would be nice if one of you actually explained”””

    that`s easy scales`osy,

    1-behind the Limited-News paywall, there `may` be the `possibility` to be exposed to be exposed to `facts`,

    2-outside the paywall, content is `blurt` paid for by corporate sponsors

  240. February 27, 2014 8:25 pm

    ”””””””””””When somebody points these truisms out, the typical diversion is to proclaim it to be a rant.””””””””””’

    most of`em don`t make it past `moderation` dunny

  241. February 27, 2014 8:31 pm

    it is a sad day for democracy when bolt can no longer dulux color chart `white` aboriginals for the enrichment of the Limited-News troll farms ricky.?

  242. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 27, 2014 8:50 pm

    It would be nice if one of you actually explained the deficiencies in his arguments for a change

    I thought I’ll go there and take up the challenge.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/of_course_the_leave_scheme_is_too_costly/

    If the Government does back down, it will want to do so later in its term to avoid for as long as possible the taint of promise-breaking.

    Well, the glaring deficiency there is the monumental hypocrisy of someone who was leading the cheer squad of “She Lied” over the Carbon Price, and now actually telling his golden boy to deliberately break his promise, and also egging him on to try and hide it.

    Deficient AND deviant

  243. February 27, 2014 9:20 pm

    challenge wasted jaggey 🙂

  244. egg permalink
    February 27, 2014 9:59 pm

    ‘Bullshit Dumpty. You regularly swallow the bolt-borg jizz’

    Splatter’s last comment up the thread is how I see the Bolter and I have nothing further to add.

  245. February 27, 2014 10:26 pm

    Bolt is remarkable for the amount he produces

    He has 10 people working on brand Bolt.
    There is no way on theis earth that he would have his own show if Gina did not under “right” the whole thing. He approached Fox 10 years before to be Australia’s poor mans Bill Oriely. He is not a remarkable journalist at all, where are his great Journalistic works? Arguing with professors armed with hearsay to create controversy is not great journalism its sensationalism.

  246. February 27, 2014 10:42 pm

    it is a sad day for democracy when bolt can no longer dulux color chart `white` aboriginals for the enrichment of the Limited-News troll farms ricky.?

    Jesus mate I nearly pissed myself ROTFPML 🙂

    .

    You are exaggerating

    No I leave that to Bolt

  247. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 7:48 am

    Who knows, maybe the press gallery will start taking notice, although, I’ll assume that, being wimps themselves, they will continue to cover for their mate.

    A wimp claims that unarmed women, children and men who have been tortured in their home country need to be fended off by the military. Deep down, even a wimp knows that sending frigates to apprehend leaky fishing boats and calling it a “war” is lame.
    …………
    Cowards hide the truth. Morrison knew that Reza Berati was beaten to death inside the detention centre’s walls and he waited to tell the public he knew this until 9pm on a Saturday night.
    ………….
    Lying is cowardly. Calling asylum seekers ‘illegal’ or ‘unlawful’ is lying. It is never illegal or unlawful to seek asylum.
    …………..
    Morrison is no hero. He is a pathetic, gutless embarrassment to Australia and he should be sacked. In fact, the whole bloody lot of them need to be sacked. Both the LNP and the ALP are gutless.

    http://thehoopla.com.au/wimp-coward-bully/

  248. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 7:54 am

    Is General Angus Campbell involved in a political cover-up as part of Operation Sovereign Borders? Absolutely – that’s what happens when you militarise public policy
    …………
    But if you read the transcript of the Estimates hearing, Conroy’s claims look justified. As the Estimates testimony makes clear, whatever his personal merits, Campbell continues to use the charade of “operational security” as a cloak with which to refuse comment on pressing issues of public policy.
    …………
    In other words: no, we can’t handle the truth.

    Public information, Campbell freely admits, is being managed – in other words, withheld. And it is being withheld by a military officer who is acting in a civilian capacity, as Campbell also admitted.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/02/27/operational-security-charade

  249. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 7:56 am

    put up a post at 11:51am purportedly of the front page of the Telegraph

    Not sure why assumed it was the front page. If you click on the link there, the comment thread from the twit(?) 🙂 actually states it is page 5.

  250. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 28, 2014 9:03 am

    He has 10 people working on brand Bolt.”

    I find that hard to believe. I think he does his blog and newspaper articles all by himself. The only help he would get would be moderators screening his blog comments for publication.

    He obviously has people producing his television show but that is relatively recent.

  251. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2014 9:51 am

    ” If you listen t Hadley and Bolt thats fine, but Lies, chaff bag misogyny, racism and pure vindication is not acceptable in any democracy.”

    That is a matter for the audience to work out. Having government stooges deciding what will be categorised as unacceptable and liable to be censored is no democracy at all.

    The far left has always been big on censorship, at least when it suited them. Their monstrous ideas are anathema to anyone with a brain, and hence not very popular. To explain this they rely on the idea of false consciousness, and demand the right to censor anything considered counter-revolutionary.

    Today’s dumb leftists are much the same. Despite having a billion dollars a year of public money spent on the ABC to shove the leftist bullshit version of the world down our throats, despite the left having colonised the universities, schools, the arts and a lot of the private media, despite all this, they are not universally loved. In fact quite a lot of people see the world quite differently.

    So what do these benighted buffoons do? They scream for censorship.

    Here is a clue, Bed Pann. Just as the divine right of kings has passed into history, so too has the divine right of leftists which went out with the fall of communism.

    The reason the US has the second amendment is so that if their democracy is threatened by their politicians the people can take up arms against them. Limiting press freedom is exactly the case where that would be warranted.

    “Like Bolt blurting out oh this is a sad day for free speech when his article was designed to vindicate people on the basis of race for nothing more than promotion.”

    The prosecution of Bolt was an abomination. The hypersensitive mongrels who brought the action should grow up and get over themselves. At some point we need to understand that hurt feelings are not a legitimate basis of legal sanctions.

    “You want free speech at least have people accountable to the truth FFS.”

    Want? Do I want free speech??? Are you serious?

    Free speech is not for you or anyone else to give, you fucking arrogant prick. It is a basic human right.

    Who is going to hold people accountable? Who is going to decide what “truth” is? The Minister of Truth? No doubt our leftist overlords will appoint some dumb flunky of the Finkelfuckwit ilk to tell us what the truth is.

    Yo are utterly wrong. Wrong on every count.

  252. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 9:58 am

    A Week Later, Confidential Asylum Seeker Details Are Still Available, Cached Online

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/a-week-later-confidential-asylum-seeker-details-are-still-available-cached-online-2014-2

    It appears the Morrison has lied to us again.

  253. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2014 10:00 am

    The success of Bolt can be easily measured by the irrational venom he attracts. Rarely do you see any balanced assessment of his output. In fact most of the hate he attracts is in the form of cliched juvenile name-calling, some of it barely literate, like this specimen:

    “Toilet Bolt would skin his granny and drink his own jizz for self promoting brand blabbing masquerading as jounalism, the irony is just another affirmation of his gargantuan hypocracy”

  254. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 10:00 am

    Having government stooges deciding what will be categorised as unacceptable and liable to be censored is no democracy at all.

    So true Splatterbottom

    This is a civilian operation, and this government is allowing a stain to hang over service personnel by refusing to allow a full accounting and rebuttal of accusations that are being made against service personnel.

    The majority of Australians do not support the secrecy with which this operation is being ordered to be conducted by the government. Most importantly of all, no Australian wants to see the politicisation of our armed services. And this government is continuing to run this operation and hide behind the military. It should give a full accounting to this Senate committee and to other Senate committees and the Parliament of Australia and the Australian public. With the tragic circumstances arising on Manus Island as a result of the government’s actions, there needs to be a full account.

    http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;db=COMMITTEES;id=committees%2Festimate%2Ffac1c338-fff5-4097-ab19-643e2f78ece9%2F0001;query=Id%3A%22committees%2Festimate%2Ffac1c338-fff5-4097-ab19-643e2f78ece9%2F0000%22

  255. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 10:07 am

    The prosecution of Bolt was an abomination.

    Actually, it was a judges decision. Or is it a case of innocent until you become a lefty?

  256. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2014 10:11 am

    Indeed Jiggy. The longer the government drags this out the worse it gets for them. They have no business keeping information from the public.

    “stain to hang over service personnel”

    There is no “stain” hanging over service personnel. That is just political wishful thinking.

    “Most importantly of all, no Australian wants to see the politicisation of our armed services.”

    The armed forces exist to give effect to the policies of the government of the day. The ALP chose to use the navy as a water taxi service. Stupid as that was, it was neither a stain on the armed forces nor a politicisation of them. The real problems arise where the armed forces think they should not have to follow the directives of an elected government.

  257. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 10:36 am

    There is no “stain” hanging over service personnel.

    There are still unanswered questions over the hand burning incident, then our transgressions into Indonesian territories. The Navy has been thoroughly stained

    Stupid as that was, it was neither a stain on the armed forces nor a politicisation of them.

    That is because it was all done in the open, which the media and the opposition played havoc with, but Labor did not revert to secret squirrel rubbish, and use a 3* General to hide behind, in a civilian operation, and claim it was “operational ” secrecy.

    Public information, Campbell freely admits, is being managed – in other words, withheld. And it is being withheld by a military officer who is acting in a civilian capacity, as Campbell also admitted.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/02/27/operational-security-charade

    And this secrecy has brought the “stains” onto our defense force.

  258. Tony permalink
    February 28, 2014 10:45 am

    ‘And this secrecy has brought the “stains” onto our defense force.’

    This secrecy has played a role in “stopping the boats” for 70 days now, by, according to General Campbell, depriving people smugglers of information. Stopping The Boats and Stopping The Evil People Smuggling Trade, by the way, were things both major parties signed up to before the election (the Manus Island ‘solution’ was a Rudd initiative, remember).

  259. egg permalink
    February 28, 2014 10:51 am

    Stopping the boats is a bipartisan agreement between the major parties, but the Greens are not particularly happy.

  260. February 28, 2014 11:02 am

    A libertarian who is happy to accede the constriction of information, presumably because their favoured side is in power, with little or no suspicion that those claiming it’s for the public’s good may in fact be using it more as a dubious tool to fortify their ‘own good’.
    Granting paternalist license which begs abuse by the decision makers when it is extended into areas of public policy which are politically prickly.

  261. February 28, 2014 11:03 am

    Unexpectedly naive.

  262. Tony permalink
    February 28, 2014 11:13 am

    “A libertarian who is happy to accede the constriction of information”

    I haven’t said whether I condone it, but I can’t think of anything I need to know that I’m not being told. It could have more a case of sour grapes from those who said the boats couldn’t be stopped.

  263. Tony permalink
    February 28, 2014 11:14 am

    *It could be

  264. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2014 11:15 am

    There is a significant difference between the tactics necessary to stop the boats and the pathetic lack of information about the recent Manus Island riots and death.

  265. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 11:25 am

    There is a significant difference between the tactics necessary to stop the boats and the pathetic lack of information about the recent Manus Island riots and death.

    Exactly.

    Also, the information is still coming out in Indonesia. It is not the secrecy stopping the boats. The secrecy is purely for domestic purposes. What is “stopping the boats” from actually arriving in Australia is our Navy performing the role of People Smugglers themselves. And, since they are still doing this, then they are not “Stopping the Boats” What happens when we run out of lifeboats?

    And, this “secrecy” is being actively protected by our media, who were quite happy to advertise along with the Liberals, for Asylum seekers to come here under Labor with false stories of “red carpets”

  266. Tony permalink
    February 28, 2014 11:26 am

    As for the Manus Island riots, what actually happened will be determined by the official investigations. I can wait for those. There is plenty of conjecture and hearsay going around, including Tara Moss’s tale.

  267. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 28, 2014 11:28 am

    Unexpectedly naive.

    And completely hypocritical. If it was the labor party there would be much criticism re government control.
    What does it say about so-called ‘libertarians’ that they are in complete lockstep with the fascist right and the christian fundies.

    This secrecy has played a role in “stopping the boats” for 70 days now, by, according to General Campbell, depriving people smugglers of information…

    This secrecy has all to do with the australian public not knowing the depths of government and defence depravity, just what they are doing behind the scenes to ‘stop the boats’.

    “If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place.” [can’t remember author]

  268. February 28, 2014 11:29 am

    “The secrecy is purely for domestic purposes.”

    My point exactly.

    It’s not hard to imagine the reactions from proponents if the shoe was on the other governmental foot.

  269. Tony permalink
    February 28, 2014 11:33 am

    ‘This secrecy has all to do with the australian public not knowing the depths of government and defence depravity

    Bollocks.

  270. February 28, 2014 11:33 am

    That is a matter for the audience to work out. Having government stooges deciding what will be categorised as unacceptable and liable to be censored is no democracy at all.The far left has always been big on censorship…blah de blah de blah….

    We already have, I have to adhere to the broadcasting act, my employee’s did as I have to adhere to common law… whats your point. I ran and owned a news service (we sold it 5 years ago) Its simple, you cannot peddle lies and flip flop between calling it opinion and entertainment as is the case at 2GB. They use calculated risk and call Hadley and Jones “Opinion entertainment”. They tell lies, the know they are lies because they have staff who check then they look at how much advertising they have and how much litigation costs. Ask yourself why the ABC never gets sued under the broadcast act and Hadley and Jones have a revolving door at ACMA. If you work for the ABC it is a condition that you adhere to their charter, equality charter and the Broadcasting act. There are a few levels of check before it gets broadcast. I could not or would not run a news service that was bias, 1 I could not afford to as it limits your audience and is very risky (I don’t have a team of lawyers) 2. Its morally reprehensible in a small market.

    The greatest problem with journalists nowadays is they wanna be rockstars more interested in opinion. They have forgotten what it is to be a reporter. Its actually got the point as with the ABC that the truth is Leftist propaganda. What bullshit.

    If Murdoch is such a great success why is he even worried about the ABC? Why? One is sensationalist agenda based reporting and the other is Journalism. I dislike Bolt because he is a fake and a Shiite Journalist. He has never written anything of great standing. he’s not a pimple on the likes of Chris masters or Laurie Oaks. He’s a brand hack, a poor mans Bill Orielly . Bolt and any jounalist that plays that game is an abomination. Did you read the article? Castigating people because they are not white enough…what a fuckwit, that again is not journalism its hate writing sensationalism to sell advertising. Are you saying he should have the right to do this?…FFS Are you saying that Hadley and Jones should have the right to defame people and spread lies, to sell soap powder and tell people that its perfectly acceptable? What complete bullshit. What type of regressive thinking would consider such a thing and wrap in in free speech, that is deplorable.

    The great problem in Australia is when The ALP implemented cash for comment disclosure,they screamed censorship eve though they were lying to there audience. The same thing happened when they amended the act for factual reporting… This idea that The ALP is regulating is ridiculous, broadcasting laws need to reflect community standards, common law and disclosure of interest.

  271. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 11:52 am

    but I can’t think of anything I need to know that I’m not being told.

    Were the Navy involved in the asylum seekers having their hands burnt?
    Why did the Navy transgress Indonesia’s sovereign borders?
    Did the mother complain a lot when her baby was plonked on a lifeboat with her and cast adrift at sea?
    Could we have done anything different to help prevent the deaths of asylum seekers we smuggled back to Indonesia and subsequently died traversing a rainforest river?

    Yes, I can think of a few, just of the top of my head.

  272. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2014 11:57 am

    “We already have”

    That is hardly a rebuttal of my point that “having government stooges deciding what will be categorised as unacceptable and liable to be censored is no democracy at all.”

    It only emphasises the urgent need for reform.

    It is pathetic that anti-Semitic loons like Mad Margo can sool the dogs of censorship on to her political opponents as she did recently.

    ” Its actually got the point as with the ABC that the truth is Leftist propaganda. “

    It has actually got to the point that the ABC calls leftist propaganda the truth.

  273. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 12:03 pm

    It only emphasises the urgent need for reform.

    Which is Finkelstein was. It wasn’t “censorship”, it was simply applying the same policy that television broadcast have to abide by. And have for years.

  274. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2014 12:06 pm

    That is exactly the difference between us Jiggy – you think reform is expanding the reach of the tentacles of government whereas real reform is chopping them off.

  275. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 12:07 pm

    Before our eyes, day by day, Scott Morrison becomes the hollow man. His face tightens and twists, his eyes are dead, and his words strangled with jargon.

    We’ve seen this before. Remember Philip Ruddock gradually turning into a stick of chalk, as immigration minister and later attorney-general, while he plodded his way through the ”Pacific solution” and the vilification of David Hicks?

    This is what happens to human beings who believe the ends justify the means. Ends that are wretched will invariably produce bad means.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/welcome-back-to-white-australia-20140227-33m4w.html#ixzz2uWlFkSt9

  276. egg permalink
    February 28, 2014 12:08 pm

    ‘Were the Navy involved in the asylum seekers having their hands burnt?’

    No.

    ‘Why did the Navy transgress Indonesia’s sovereign borders?’

    It was an error of judgement.

    ‘Did the mother complain a lot when her baby was plonked on a lifeboat with her and cast adrift at sea?’

    Can’t be helped, she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    ‘Could we have done anything different to help prevent the deaths of asylum seekers we smuggled back to Indonesia and subsequently died traversing a rainforest river?’

    Hypothetically no.

  277. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 12:10 pm

    <i.you think reform is expanding the reach of the tentacles of government whereas real reform is chopping them off.

    Reform can go both ways Splatterbottom, it depends on each individual case. It is interesting that, while overseas, Abbott said that the GFC was the result of sufficient regulation (which was correct). He claimed the “pink batts” was due to lack of regulation (which was correct)

    Yet all he wants to do is remove regulations?

  278. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 12:11 pm

    bad formatting, first para is supposed to be quoted.

  279. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 12:14 pm

    egg

    No.

    Do you have the proof for that, or just Morrisons (dubious) word?

    It was an error of judgement.

    I thought it was “waves and tides” 😯 Our Navy have very poor skills on those boaty things then.

    Can’t be helped, she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Of course it can be helped. You know, like bring them to Australia under our protection

    Hypothetically no.

    Realistically, yes. You know, like bring them to Australia under our protection

  280. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 28, 2014 12:25 pm

    It is pathetic that anti-Semitic loons like Mad Margo can sool the dogs of censorship on to her political opponents as she did recently.

    It says a lot when a toothless tiger like the APC finds the ‘news’ coverage of a murdoch paper to be so completely unbalanced and biased that even they can’t look away.

    What is pathetic is the murdoch papers refusing to hold abbott to account in the same way that they did the gillard govt.

    http://www.presscouncil.org.au/adjudications-other-outcomes/

    …Given the exceptional circumstances of the case and the newspaper’s extensive coverage of it, the dismissal should have been reported with much greater prominence than occurred. The difference between it and the initial reports was so stark as to be a clear breach of the Council’s Principles on fairness and balance. The complaint was upheld.

    http://nofibs.com.au/2014/02/23/margos-twitter-report-death-injury-manus-island-australias-heart-darkness/

    http://nofibs.com.au/2014/02/05/abbotts-attack-abc-proves-politicians-free-press-chameleons/

  281. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 12:33 pm

    The difference between it and the initial reports was so stark as to be a clear breach of the Council’s Principles on fairness and balance.

    That could just as easily be applied to ALL of new limited “reporting” on

    NBN
    BER
    AGW
    Education
    Unions
    .
    .
    .
    Anything not aligned with their owners world view

  282. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2014 12:42 pm

    I’m sure they have learned their lesson and will now make sure they give great prominence to the fact that Ashby has won his appeal in that matter. If they don’t Mad Margo will be on their case. Not!

  283. February 28, 2014 12:44 pm

    ” I can’t think of anything I need to know that I’m not being told”

    How can you determine that when you don’t know what is being kept from you, or precisely why?

  284. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 28, 2014 12:51 pm

    Anything not aligned with their owners world view

    Luckily the criminal murdoch news organisation is not having their trial reported here, wouldn’t want anyone to think murdoch & sons are not fit & proper people.

    Gender politics of big, swinging dicks?

    Manly men v wimps: what’s behind the macho language in Australian politics? :

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/27/manly-men-v-wimps-whats-behind-the-macho-language-in-australian-politics

  285. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 12:53 pm

    the fact that Ashby has won his appeal in that matter

    Isn’t it that he has won his right to appeal? In other words, we get to see it back on the front page again when/if it goes to trial again. Which would really just confirm Margo’s case

  286. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 12:54 pm

    How can you determine that when you don’t know what is being kept from you, or precisely why?

    bolt will let them know of anything worth worrying about 😉

  287. February 28, 2014 12:57 pm

    Daily, apparently.

    Essential briefings, apparently.

  288. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2014 12:58 pm

    He appealed Justice Rares’ decision to dismiss. He won that appeal and now that decision was overturned. The case can now go forward. The Tele didn’t put it on the front page – I had better make a complaint to the Press Council.

  289. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 12:59 pm

    Gender politics of big, swinging dicks?

    Gillard proven to have been 100% correct. Again. Of course the media lampooned her. Her comments got them right on their big swinging pens.

  290. Tony permalink
    February 28, 2014 1:02 pm

    “Daily, apparently.

    Essential briefings, apparently.”

    That’s correct. The talking-points are delivered by flying monkey.

  291. Tony permalink
    February 28, 2014 1:03 pm

    “How can you determine that when you don’t know what is being kept from you, or precisely why?”

    Mind rays.

  292. February 28, 2014 1:19 pm

    That is hardly a rebuttal

    Well Splatter it is obvious that anything you disagree with is Un true… You have already made up your mind that News should be a free for all and anything goes. You would last about 5 minutes running a news service, as you are so opinionated it of no wonder to me you are a Bolter and love opinion as distinct from news. You obviously have a very narrow field of vision in regard to balance of truth and no fucking idea of how media products areproduced. How you could possibly stick up for Bolt in that instance or insist he is anything but a hack? Speaks volumes about where your head is at. The Finklestien inquiry was necessary because there is no legislation in step with today’s media delivery, I just hope for your sake none of your hero’s of free speech call you a child molester or a terrorist, I guess its free speech so you will just let it slide.

    I’m at a complete loss to see where all this regulation you talk of is? Where he government is enforcing itself upon the people. It is all available in litigation now. I will state Journalism 101 the law is there to to protect people and are subject to the law of the land. Free speech is not a licence to hate or castigate someone based upon your opinion. If you break the law be prepared to defend yourself in a court of law. Opinion is not news its opinion, filed under entertainment.

    Every other journalist in the country seems to operate quite fine under the current racial description legislation except for the infotainment based opinion shock jocks.
    When a news organisation puts nazi uniforms on the front page and has consistent front pages ones of which says throw this government out, its subverting democracy. Its not peoples choice its Murdoch’s choice and no amount of free speech rant changes that FACT.

    I will ask you a very simple question, do you personally think that the racial discrimination act should be changed to allow people to vindicate people based on ethnicity?

  293. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2014 1:52 pm

    I long ago made up my mind that free speech and a free press are fundamental to democracy. I see no reason to change that view because a bunch of thin-skinned losers like arse-clown Bob Brown and Underpants Conroy want to shut up their critics.

    “Free speech is not a licence to hate or castigate someone based upon your opinion.”

    I am free to hate or castigate whoever I please. And to say so. (Actually I don’t do hate, but that is beside the point.) And this is Underpants Conroy’s point – the arrogant fucker doesn’t like to be castigated.

    “When a news organisation puts nazi uniforms on the front page and has consistent front pages ones of which says throw this government out, its subverting democracy. “

    The Tele’s Hogan’s Heroes front page was very funny. It is sad that humourless fuckwits don’t get it and utterly insane that they should want to censor it. You’ll be outlawing laughter next!

    News organisations often take sides in elections and make explicit recommendations at election time. What the fuck is your point? Are you really that clueless about what free speech means?

  294. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2014 1:54 pm

    Thanks for the Miranda link. She makes some good points:

    When 200 asylum seekers drowned off Java in December 2011, what was Greens Senator Sarah Hanson Young’s response? “Tragedies happen. Accidents happen.”

    Imagine if Morrison said that about Manus Island?

  295. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 2:09 pm

    Imagine if Morrison said that about Manus Island?

    Imagine if he had been that compassionate, instead of trying to blame the victim for being outside of the compound, which it turned out he wasn’t, and which is irrelevant anyway.

  296. egg permalink
    February 28, 2014 2:11 pm

    ‘like bring them to Australia under our protection’

    Illegal guest workers are not refugees, no matter what the UNHCR says.

    Don’t think me hard hearted, I’m quite happy to take all who wish to come, illegal guest workers and genuine asylum seekers alike. Process them onshore in Indonesia and open the flood gates for a steady stream of new arrivals.

    The only proviso is that they will then be placed in one large concentration camp at the Ord until fit to join mainstream society.

  297. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 28, 2014 2:19 pm

    tony’s last two replies to toilet exemplify what is wrong with libertarianism, their ideology is a fact free zone and not much of it makes sense. Tony’s libertarianism has him hypocritically advocating here for willfully blind acceptance of government intervention and secrecy! 😯

    At least sb’s arguments show a level of morality and scrutiny/accountability of government actions {I could be wrong but I don’t consider sb to be a libertarian].

    What’s wrong with libertarianism:
    http://www.zompist.com/libertos.html

    Single Vision Ideologies …Despite the intelligence of many of its supporters, libertarianism is an instance of the simplest (and therefore silliest) type of politics: the single-villain ideology. Everything is blamed on the government…
    …The advantage of single-villain ideologies is obvious: in any given situation you never have to think hard to find out the culprit…
    ..It’s a habit of mind that renders libertarianism unfalsifiable, and thus irrelevant to the world. Everything gets blamed on one institution; and because we have no real-world example where that agency is absent, the claims can’t be tested…

    Unacceptable morality…First, the worship of the already successful and the disdain for the powerless is essentially the morality of a thug. Money and property should not be privileged above everything else– love, humanity, justice…

  298. Tony permalink
    February 28, 2014 2:24 pm

    “Tony’s libertarianism has him hypocritically advocating here for willfully blind acceptance of government intervention and secrecy.”

    He did no such thing.

    “Unacceptable morality…First, the worship of the already successful and the disdain for the powerless is essentially the morality of a thug. Money and property should not be privileged above everything else– love, humanity, justice…”

    Also, he won’t be browbeaten by moralising moralisers.

  299. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 28, 2014 2:30 pm

    I long ago made up my mind that free speech and a free press are fundamental to democracy.

    It’s not ‘free’ speech when you use the unequalled and far reaching power and influence of a near monopoly newspaper organisation as a megaphone to racially vilify a people. They do not have an equal opportunity to have their voice heard in reply. They are a sitting duck target of cowardly political opportunists who make $$$ for themselves and get votes for their backers from inciting hatred for an historically oppressed racial minority.

  300. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 2:32 pm

    Illegal guest workers are not refugees,

    True, what is your point, or don’t you have one? Illegal guest workers are not resettled in Australia, never were.

  301. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 28, 2014 2:38 pm

    He did no such thing.

    …”I can’t think of anything I need to know that I’m not being told”… ?

    at least splatter expects some accountability:

    There is a significant difference between the tactics necessary to stop the boats and the pathetic lack of information about the recent Manus Island riots and death.

  302. February 28, 2014 2:43 pm

    What the fuck is your point? Are you really that clueless about what free speech means?

    Well obviously I do Because I got my my final mark back and obtained a HD for my masters in Digital Media and have actually run a news service, maintained my advertising revenue and had not been sued for porky pies 🙂 I do understand that you are confused between news and opinion

    You obviously don’t because you did not answer my question as you are too busy ranting on about how important your version of free speech is, which has fuck all to do with actual current media law. Stick to “reading” the telegraph mate, it becomes you and at a dollar a throw its cheap free syndicated speech right 🙂

  303. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2014 2:52 pm

    I am Libertarian in that I believe that the law should not restrict individual liberty except to the extent that such restrictions are necessary to ensure equal liberty to all. But ….

    Ideological rigidity is bad. Policies should be pragmatic and based on humanist principles. There is no point in ideological purity if that results in avoidable misery.

    Having said that, free speech and press freedom are bedrock principles. Without them democracy is not possible. They should not be compromised lightly.

  304. Tony permalink
    February 28, 2014 2:53 pm

    Then again, maybe I should be laying awake at night, worrying about all the things I’m not being told, but don’t know I’m not being told, because I don’t know about the things I’m not being told about. There could be a massive conspiracy against the people by the government, controlled by the grand puppetmaster MURDOCH(!) and his minions Bolt and Devine. Who knows what evil plans the government-media-military complex might be devising to subjugate we the people?

    Now, where did I put my tinfoil hat …

  305. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 28, 2014 3:09 pm

    Now, where did I put my tinfoil hat …

    interpreted as “how can I evade my ideology colliding with reality” ?

  306. egg permalink
    February 28, 2014 3:25 pm

    ‘Illegal guest workers are not resettled in Australia, never were.’

    We have concentration camps all around Australia and Manus island, none of these people are genuine refugees otherwise they would have been released into society.

  307. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 28, 2014 3:28 pm

    Who knows what evil plans the government-media-military complex might be devising to subjugate we the people?

    But you are against governments aren’t you? Isn’t that what true libertarianism is about?

    They could be trying to subvert the will of the people by taking down a food rating website. I would have thought the individual consumer was paramount in the thinking of a self confessed libertarian, but you rushed in to make an ideological [anti govt] point over that debate IIRC [can’t remember exactly what it was]. It appeared to me that you did not agree with people knowing what fraud the food companies were committing upon the consumer, or that the consumer should have the ability to make an informed and individual choice in their food shopping. The corporate $$$ are more important than the individual’s right to choose [in an easily accessible and understood format] which products they spend their money on.

    Perhaps if the website wasn’t run by govt but food lobbyists or food manufacturers, it would have been more acceptable to you?

  308. February 28, 2014 3:30 pm

    I am Libertarian

    That explains a lot, I shall take that as a “too hard” to repeal of section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act to accommodate Bolters advertising schedule shall I.

    Having said that, free speech and press freedom are bedrock principles…yada yada yada yabba dabba doo

    Well then as a Loony Teebagger sorry Libertarian that should have you rioting in outrage on the streets bearing arms and flapping about with intemperate tax evasion…. but hey lets just let that one slide and Timmy Willing son will fix it with his Free Market syndicated brought to you by uncle George version of free speech, the one us mere mortals cant afford.

    Mind rays. Now, where did I put my tinfoil hat …

    Tony you are crackin me up mate 🙂

  309. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 28, 2014 3:32 pm

    We have concentration camps all around Australia and Manus island, none of these people are genuine refugees otherwise they would have been released into society.

    *cough* explain mandatory detention.

  310. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 4:09 pm

    none of these people are genuine refugees otherwise they would have been released into society.

    None of these have YET been found to be genuine refugees, although, many have been and then been released. The ones that have found not to be are returned to their countries of origin. Just because our system is (deliberatly) slow, doesn’t mean those being processed are genuine or not. Really, you are sounding as unhinged as Tom of Melniborne on the other thread

  311. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2014 4:12 pm

    “Well obviously I do Because I got my my final mark back and obtained a HD for my masters in Digital Media and have actually run a news service, maintained my advertising revenue and had not been sued for porky pies “

    Thank you for demonstrating your ignorance far more clearly than I could do. That answer contains no reason whatsoever to believe you have a clue about of free speech. None. Zip Zilch. Nada. Moreover, your arguments in favour of press censorship are proof positive that you don’t have a clue.

    Well done on the HD.

  312. February 28, 2014 4:13 pm

    I little bird told me this afternoon that there will be some major protests during Biennale this year. I know three acts that are very very pissed off.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-21/sydney-biennale-stands-by-sponsor-transfield-services/5276660

  313. February 28, 2014 4:28 pm

    Did you read anything that I wrote? Where the fuck was I arguing about censorship? I am stating as the rest of the industry are, that legislation is needed, which was the point of the Finklestien enquiry. Regulation is not enforceable due to big digital holes in the Broadcasting act and inability of the current structure to do anything as it is out of step with technology.

    The last line of defence for those of with reputations to defend that don’t have Murdoch behind us is common law such as deformation and the racial discrimination act, which this government want to take away. This is arguably an attempt to destroy recourse and silence those who take great offence to being defamed by the likes of Bolt.

    As I said before, You know fuck all about the law in regard to free speech. Free speech allows dissent, it allows me to express myself. Here is an example of how much I understand and practice free speech… You may notice that I have crafted this to avoid any litigation, unlike Bolt who is a fucking retard.

  314. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 28, 2014 5:14 pm

    “A libertarian who is happy to accede the constriction of information, presumably because their favoured side is in power,

    On another topic a good definition of honesty is if you can hold the same position when your side is in Opposition or in govt.

    I find it a little stage that Labor/Greens when in govt locked up more asylum seeking women and children than any govt in Australia history with very few demonstrations from the people who would have demonstrated if the Coalition had done the locking up.

  315. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 28, 2014 5:35 pm

    I find it a little stage

    The world is but….

    But, to your “point”, I think it was shown above that there were protests. The difference is, the level of outright nastiness now has reached levels undreamed of under the previous Government.

    Two or three people died after we abandoned them back to the high seas, and another died directly from retaliatory action from an employee of the Government. To me, both are criminal acts.

  316. egg permalink
    February 28, 2014 5:46 pm

    *cough* explain mandatory detention.’

    I read the Greens policy and they are saying we should only hold ‘refugees’ in detention for 30 days and no longer, then release them into the community. That’s wouldn’t be very popular, except for the bleeding hearts.

    They made a good argument in that it would be much cheaper to release them into the community, which may eventually happen as the boats have stopped coming.

    The Greens are also against detention centres in the desert.

  317. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 28, 2014 7:16 pm

    “Where the fuck was I arguing about censorship? I am stating as the rest of the industry are, that legislation is needed, which was the point of the Finklestien enquiry.”

    FMD. You don’t understand that what Finkelfuckwit proposed was a form of censorship??? Really?

    I know you are stating that legislation is needed. That is the constant cry of leftists the world over. They think legislation can solve any problem, including problems that exist only in their tiny minds. When it comes to free speech the only legislation needed is the repealing kind.

    The point of the Finkelstein inquiry was that Underpants Conroy and arse-clown Bob Brown didn’t like being criticised so they had an inquiry to tell them how to shut their critics up.

  318. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 28, 2014 8:48 pm

    Regulation is not censorship, everything is regulated. Why does the media think they should be the only industry without any regulation? It allows an abuse of power, corruption and collusion eg police, politicians, government & business [there’s a criminal trial going on right now in the UK because the relationships between press and power were too cosy]. Thee industy is supposedly self regulated, but that has proved to be a nonsense.

    We have a campaigning media, one that picks sides and aims to influence public opinion, when it is a near monopoly it becomes a kingmaker, open to corruption, it needs regulation.

  319. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 28, 2014 8:53 pm

    it needs regulation.

    Too funny.

    You actually mean extermination.

  320. egg permalink
    February 28, 2014 8:56 pm

    ‘We have a campaigning media, one that picks sides and aims to influence public opinion, when it is a near monopoly it becomes a kingmaker, open to corruption, it needs regulation.’

    Aunty fits the bill.

  321. February 28, 2014 9:51 pm

    Off topic (slightly)

    Tonight I had dinner with my next door neighbours.

    They only drink Pinot.

    After two bottles of the stuff I felt like throwing up.

    It’s like drinking Ribena.

    How should I tell them that our friendship isn’t going to last…?

  322. February 28, 2014 10:31 pm

    ”””””””’It’s like drinking Ribena.””””””””’

    Don`t guests of `quality` bring a couple of bottles of plonk to dinner invites now`a`days reb.?

    #scoffing 🙂

  323. February 28, 2014 10:41 pm

    ””””””””””””””””’I can’t think of anything I need to know that I’m not being told.”””””””””””’

    Says the tinfoil teabag, while the teabags are in charge, but would never say that when the `others` are in charge. #scales`osy

    You do realize scales`osy, some of us don`t like this crap without limiting it to which pack of Canberra depots are in charge. #so-called`democracy

  324. February 28, 2014 10:43 pm

    correction, pack of Canberra `deSpots`

  325. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 28, 2014 10:56 pm

    It’s like drinking Ribena.

    Pinot noir I presume.

    I’ve just had a nice 2003 cab sav. Quite satisfactory.

  326. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 1, 2014 1:28 am

    “Aunty fits the bill.”

    Exactly.

    People like Piers Akerman, Andrew Bolt, Janet Albrechtsen would get support from about 35% of the population.

    Name me anybody who hosts a program on the ABC who has views similar to them.

    Based on the population, 35% of the hosts of ABC programs should be Conservative?? I believe Amanda Vanstone has a program but that apparently is on only once a week. Other than Amanda that is about it.

  327. egg permalink
    March 1, 2014 8:00 am

    As I’ve mentioned before, only leftoids are to be found in the ABC newsroom.

    http://abcnewswatch.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/a-sit-down-and-chat.html

  328. egg permalink
    March 1, 2014 8:13 am

    ‘JUST days after Iranian man Reza Berati was killed in the Manus Island detention centre, 11 other Iranian asylum-seekers have opted to go home.

    ‘Immigration and Border Protection Minister Scott Morrison said the 11 Iranians were among 17 asylum-seekers who volunteered to return to their home countries in the week up to 9am yesterday.’

    Nicholson and Nadin / Oz

  329. egg permalink
    March 1, 2014 10:50 am

    Aunty should stick to the facts.

    ‘THE art of good reporting is to let the facts speak for themselves. First, however, the facts must be discovered. It is the ABC’s inability to accomplish this most basic task that is compromising the integrity of its news service.

    ‘Recent reports that Australian naval officers tortured asylum-seekers demonstrate how far news reporting has strayed from the fundamental principle that, in the reporter’s reasonable judgment, the facts presented are true.’

    Nick Cater / Oz

  330. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 1, 2014 1:09 pm

    Sounds like the oz is still campaigning for their master.
    Some things never change. No wonder it’s a loss making enterprise.

    Reb
    Just BYO and tell them straight out you can’t stand their plonk choice, you might help to open up their little world to new things!

  331. egg permalink
    March 1, 2014 1:14 pm

    ‘No wonder it’s a loss making enterprise.’

    Fairfax is in the same boat.

  332. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 1, 2014 1:49 pm

    I don’t know why general angus campbell insists on wearing his uniform to work, he appears to be hiding behind the uniform while working in a civilian capacity. Most of us who have to wear uniforms at work relish every opportunity to wear civvies.

    ‘Operational Security’ Is A Charade:
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/02/27/operational-security-charade

  333. Tony permalink
    March 1, 2014 1:59 pm

    Off topic, a lot, but so is everbody else on this thread.

    It’s about time I dropped a couple more of these bombs, just to see if anyone’s paying attention.

  334. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 1, 2014 2:11 pm

    throwing those old discredited chestnuts into the fire again tony? the right wing’s attempts at re-writing history in their favour!

    http://www.oldamericancentury.org/whitepapers/defining/leftwing_or_rightwing.htm

    1…10. The first concentration camp in Germany was Dachau, which opened in 1933. The primary prisoners of the Dachau camp were Communists, Social Democrats, and atheists. The first camps were essentially for “enemies of the State”. Over time Gypsies, homosexuals, and dissenting clergymen were sent to Dachau as well.

    So the American NeoCon Fascists have to rewrite history to hide there ideological identity and affinity to the German Nazi Fascists. Otherwise, who would listen to their propaganda?

  335. egg permalink
    March 1, 2014 2:13 pm

    Fairly convincing proof, Tony, although others here are bound to disagree.

  336. public toilet permalink
    March 1, 2014 2:13 pm

    Pop…fizzzzzzzz…

    They were context deficient duds, from the shonky ‘Hitler Was A Leftist’ arsenal of the Rightwing Revisionist Apologetics Battalion, South Yarra Division.

  337. public toilet permalink
    March 1, 2014 2:15 pm

    Wot KL sed…

  338. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 1, 2014 2:24 pm

    😆

    a couple of comments from the danial hannan blog that tony of sth yarra provided for us

    “…Fascism is only left wing if you are further to the right of it, which is something that most wouldn’t be proud to admit to…”

    my personal favourite:

    “…All of those ideologies take it as a given that society must be
    organized from the top down by a ruling elite that has complete control
    over the masses. For that matter, you can substitute “aristocracy” for
    “elite” and throw Monarchism into the same category. The only
    distinctions are in the details and the methods by which individuals are
    to be subjugated. And perhaps in the Big Idea toward which all
    individuals are coerced or forced to work. These are distinctions
    without differences.

    I believe that society should grow and evolve organically, from the
    bottom up, or from the middle out, or however it happens when people are
    free. I agree with Jefferson that government is only legitimate when
    it exists to guarantee freedom to the individual. All of those other
    ideologies believe that the individual exists to serve the State…

  339. Tony permalink
    March 1, 2014 2:28 pm

    Anyone here who has seen me bring up this topic before knows my primary source is not revisionist, but contemporaneous, being written in 1944, at the height of WWIi. It is the Left, not the Right, that has successfully taken over the institutions and rewritten history.

  340. Tony permalink
    March 1, 2014 2:29 pm

    *WWII

  341. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 1, 2014 2:33 pm

    from the shonky ‘Hitler Was A Leftist’ arsenal of the Rightwing Revisionist Apologetics Battalion, South Yarra Division.

    😆

    da bomb was a fake

    tony of the sth yarra has completely immersed himself in right wing crackpot nutjobbery.

  342. egg permalink
    March 1, 2014 2:34 pm

    Kitty, an illegal guest worker died at Manus. Its sad, he could have made a good life for himself in Oz.

    ‘Mr Barati had graduated as an architect, but like more than 20 per cent of his countrymen, he had been unable to find work in Iran’s sanction-strapped economy, the brother-in-law said. He had set out for Australia hoping to further his architectural studies.’

  343. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 1, 2014 3:07 pm

    your point egg?

    reza barati was an iranian kurd

    “Iranian Kurds are profoundly repressed and have few opportunities for political or cultural expression,” noted Vera Eccarius-Kelly, a researcher on Kurdish Diaspora politics and professor of comparative politics at Siena College in New York state.

    “The Iranian regime tortures and executes Kurdish activists and focuses on eradicating PJAK guerrilla members in particular,” she told Rudaw…

    – See more at: http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iran/23012014#sthash.VselUfqG.dpuf

  344. egg permalink
    March 1, 2014 3:21 pm

    My point is that we should have taken him and the 11 others who have returned to Iran.

    There is no doubt in my mind that they were seeking a future in Australia, but no evidence that they were personally persecuted.

    My sister-in-law is Iranian and has just settled in Melbourne, so I have a little anecdotal knowledge on the situation.

  345. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 1, 2014 3:33 pm

    so being a member of an entirely repressed and persecuted group within a brutal regime is not enough for you, they still need evidence of further personal persecution!

    I guess that is what was being determined in the insane asylum for seekers before he was murdered by our own brutal regime

  346. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 1, 2014 3:37 pm

    My sister-in-law is Iranian and has just settled in Melbourne, so I have a little anecdotal knowledge on the situation.

    Is she a kurd?

    An asylum seeker or on a visa of some type?

  347. egg permalink
    March 1, 2014 3:43 pm

    The reality is that there are over 1000 detainees at Manus living in poor conditions and the annual billion dollars spent to maintain the place is not being used wisely.

    Now if they built a state of the art city in the Simpson Desert and plonked them there, even the Greens would be happy.

  348. egg permalink
    March 1, 2014 3:57 pm

    No, she is a legal guest worker.

    Amnesty International explains the situation on the ground in Iran.

    ‘Despite constitutional guarantees of equality, individuals belonging to minorities in Iran, who are believed to number about half of the population of about 70 millions, are subject to an array of discriminatory laws and practices. These include land and property confiscations, denial of state and para-statal employment under the gozinesh criteria and restrictions on social, cultural, linguistic and religious freedoms which often result in other human rights violations such as the imprisonment of prisoners of conscience, grossly unfair trials of political prisoners before Revolutionary Courts, corporal punishment and use of the death penalty, as well as restrictions on movement and denial of other civil rights.’

  349. public toilet permalink
    March 1, 2014 4:56 pm

    It is the Right reinterpreting history to place distance between itself & history & attempt to strangely conflate Hitler as a Leftist.

    It reminds me of kindy kids taunting eachother with “you are”…”No! You are!!!”…

  350. March 1, 2014 6:23 pm

    ‘It reminds me of kindy kids taunting eachother with “you are”…”No! You are!!!”…’

    Not really. I’ve provided historical references. You’ve provided assertions.

  351. armchair opinionator permalink
    March 1, 2014 7:33 pm

    It reminds me of kindy kids taunting eachother with “you are”…”No! You are!!!”…

    I don’t think so toilet, they are deadly serious, their think tanks are heavily funded and exist purely to spread the propaganda, same with the right wing think tanks here [cory bernardi’s ALEC types, IPA etc] the aim being to change public opinion.

    The Old Fraud that was Freidrich Hayek:
    http://themassesareangry.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/old-fraud-that-was-freidrich-hayek.html

  352. egg permalink
    March 1, 2014 7:49 pm

    ‘I don’t think so toilet, they are deadly serious’

    Not really, its an amusing academic exercise between friendly rivals over something that happened in Germany between the two world wars of last century.

  353. public toilet permalink
    March 1, 2014 7:50 pm

    You’ve provided polemic propaganda…& I can’t do hyperlinks on this device. 😉

    If you are impatient, mayhaps just Google “Hitler isn’t a Leftist”. You’ll probably not be swayed by the numerous rabbit holes it will send you down; but the arguments are just as persuasive as any made by your sources.

    William L. Shirer, lived in the Reich, by the way, and also had great insight into its formative decades. So I’m not sure how you think you have a monopoly on contemporaneous sources. It’s not like there were no printing presses or literacy during the day to mid 1900’s. 🙂

  354. public toilet permalink
    March 1, 2014 7:54 pm

    Also, the contents of Reggie’s cranium are now decorating the ground, I believe.

    The Yellow King is likely to be a biblethumping chameleon; probably.

  355. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 1, 2014 7:55 pm

    Adolf Hitler invented the Volkswagen.

  356. egg permalink
    March 1, 2014 8:31 pm

    Adolf also built the Autobahn.

  357. egg permalink
    March 1, 2014 8:55 pm

    ‘The contractor took notes on what patients told her. One Iranian said: “I did nothing, I wasn’t involved in the protests, I was in my room, being good, trying to sleep. They came in my room … they dragged me out of my bed and beat me. They had huge rocks in their hands and they hit my head and my body with them.”

    ‘An interpreter working for the Immigration Department, Azita Bokan, also said she saw asylum seekers with “massive head injuries” at the makeshift hospital and said she saw one patient with a slashed throat.’

    Oliver Laughland / Guardian

  358. egg permalink
    March 1, 2014 9:15 pm

    First World Problem

    ‘Mass immigration has left Britain an “unrecognisable” country that many people would not want to leave to their children and grandchildren, Nigel Farage has said.

    ‘In one of his strongest attacks on immigration policy, he said the arrival of migrants has some British people feeling that parts of the country are now alien to them.

    ‘The UK Independence Party leader said parts of the country had been “taken over” by foreigners and told how he caught a recent commuter train from London to Kent and had to wait for several stops before he heard English being spoken.’

    UK Tele

  359. Neil of Sydney permalink
    March 1, 2014 9:25 pm

    “and told how he caught a recent commuter train from London to Kent and had to wait for several stops before he heard English being spoken.”

    I guess it is a great complement to the English and English speaking countries that so many people want to live in an English speaking country.

  360. egg permalink
    March 1, 2014 10:04 pm

    😉

  361. public toilet permalink
    March 1, 2014 10:09 pm

    You need to search ‘invented’ on dictionary.com, Neil.

  362. March 1, 2014 10:52 pm

    This
    http://abcnewswatch.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/a-sit-down-and-chat.html seems to source a lot of clap-trap from Limited-News and teh borg-bolt blog.

    lt has a bit in common with this https://theguttertrash.com/co2-and-you-iv/ as both seem to re-echo nonsense. Let`s just hope we don`t lose our valuable teabag commenter`s kneel, dumpty and scales`osy to the abcnewswatch competition.

  363. March 1, 2014 11:16 pm

    l agree armchair, scales`osy is goose stepping to the tune of teabagism, the modern face of fascism, and not bright enough to realize he is doing so,

    it is important to create a `perceived` enemy to scare the masses toward your agenda, whether it be teh-gays, reds-under-beds, explosive-arabs, boat-people, or das-juden,

    use xenophobia to scare the stupid into your arms of protection

  364. March 2, 2014 4:48 pm

    Adolf Hitler invented the Volkswagen.

    Tony invented the FauxVagan

  365. March 2, 2014 10:06 pm

    Sorry Ricky. The office is closed.

    Everybody else is out `parading` in Oxford Street.

    And l am about to go home for dinner.

  366. March 3, 2014 7:58 am

    I wish someone would close Morrison’s orifice

  367. egg permalink
    March 3, 2014 11:13 am

    ‘Perhaps some in the media just can’t stand the fact that the government’s policies are bearing fruit. Quite a few media commentators refused to accept that Labor’s dismantling of the strong border protection policies of the Howard government opened the floodgates. Labor spun out the line that the increased boat arrivals were due to ”push” factors. It was garbage. It was a cruel hoax. Now, with strong policies, a strong minister and a government with some gumption, everyone can see the truth.

    ‘How many journalists let Labor run that stupid, pathetic excuse? Do they now feel guilty, or at least complicit in one of the greatest hoaxes a government has ever tried on?

    Amanda Vanstone

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/media-vultures-circling-immigration-minister-scott-morrison-are-blind-to-facts-20140302-33tsg.html#ixzz2ur0D2G4c

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