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Let the Ultimate Humiliation of Scott Morrison Begin!

July 8, 2014

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The following article is by Michael Gordon from Fairfax….

 

Scott Morrison is now a victim of his own triumphalism.

Having used every opportunity to trumpet the success of his hardline approach to stopping the boats, the Immigration Minister alone has determined that any arrival, under any circumstances, for any duration, will be viewed as a sign of policy failure.

So, rather than risk being accused of weakness, the minister is prepared to hand asylum seekers back to the very authorities they say forced them to flee their homelands after what appears to be the most superficial assessment of their claims.

“Enhanced screening” of claims for refugee status is an imperfect mechanism at best when applied to asylum seekers who have been taken ashore – and quite possibly in breach of Australia’s obligations under the refugee convention.

As the United Nations refugee agency has made plain, claims for protection should be determined through a ”substantive and fair” process to establish whether they may be at risk of persecution or other human rights violations.

Asking a few questions and making a decision on the basis of top-of-the-head responses hardly fits that description. But enhanced screening is far more controversial, and far more problematic, when applied on the high seas to asylum seekers who are stressed, anxious and fearful.

In a sense, it is even more radical than turning back boats that have set off from a transit country, because the asylum seekers face return to the country from which they fled – the country in which they say they face persecution.

Had Morrison not used every question time in Parliament to taunt the Labor Party over its policy failures, invariably giving the latest tally of how many days since a boat arrived (it was 200 days on Monday), it would have been unremarkable for him to have the claims of Sri Lankan asylum seekers assessed on Christmas Island.

But he has raised the bar so high that anything remotely nuanced seems to be off limits.

Had he not chosen to withhold information, on the grounds that operations could be compromised, it would be far easier to establish if Australia is honouring its obligations.

The minister’s response is to say ”trust us”, but that is not the way the system works, especially where people’s lives are involved. Transparency, accountability and checks and balance are all essential, even where those in charge have earned the trust of those they are supposed to serve.

 

 

 

 

 

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101 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2014 11:43 am

    And this is the best the pm can come up with?

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2014 11:54 am

    It’s healthy for politicians to be humiliated, and few are more deserving than Morrison.

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2014 12:59 pm

    It’s healthy for politicians to be humiliated, and few are more deserving than Morrison.

    The problem is, ToM, the scumbags running my country aren’t humiliated … and that’s very disturbing … no conscience, no remorse, cruel in the extreme … but I bet they all enjoy their church on Sundays … and there’s the irony …

    The difference between communists and fascists … one lot of aresholes believes in dog … the other doesn’t …

    This government does NOT represent the Australian people at all … we should hang our heads in shame …

  4. July 8, 2014 2:12 pm

    The international reaction to Australia’s return of the first boat of asylum seekers directly to Sri Lanka has been fierce. The UNHCR issued a rare statement and were highly critical of Australia’s policies:

    “International law prescribes that no individual can be returned involuntarily to a country in which he or she has a well-founded fear of persecution.”

    “When boats presumed to be carrying asylum seekers are intercepted, UNHCR’s position is that requests for international protection should be considered within the territory of the intercepting state, consistent with fundamental refugee protection principles.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/03/un-profound-concern-at-australias-handling-of-tamil-asylum-seekers

  5. July 8, 2014 3:33 pm

    How Did We Let This Terror Happen?

    An excellent article by Ben Eltham….

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/08/how-did-we-let-terror-happen

  6. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2014 3:43 pm

    How Did We Let This Terror Happen?

    Asshole libs, Pissweak Labor, Dumbass Greens

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2014 4:11 pm

    Heavens Tom R says something with a degree of sense.
    —————
    I quite like Ben Elton, I always read his books, but he does have a bit of a theme going which is starting to wear thin.

    There is also some evidence of his poor judgement- he left London to live in Perth.

    Good balanced article though.

  8. July 8, 2014 4:13 pm

    “he left London to live in Perth.”

    Questionable judgement indeed ToM.

    What was he thinking?

  9. July 8, 2014 4:24 pm

    ””””The minister’s response is to say ”trust us”,””””

    #not.on.your.fcuking.nelly

    ______

    ””””””’the scumbags running my country aren’t humiliated … and that’s very disturbing … no conscience, no remorse, cruel in the extreme”””””’ whether it is `boat`people and their treatment at sea or killed and attacked in off-shore gulags, or aussie citizens tortured in off-shore gulags (gitmo,habib,hicks) or holed-up in an embassy (assange) it is clear they in canberra do not represent many of us in Australia, just their own and their masters interest.

  10. egg permalink
    July 8, 2014 5:04 pm

    ‘it is clear they in canberra do not represent many of us in Australia,’

    Lets not forget the silent majority.

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2014 5:08 pm

    An excellent article by Ben Eltham….

    Agree, sreb! What kept popping into my mind as I read the article was … if they can so easily break these laws, both national and international, what else are they capable of?

    Its the same mindset as Sir Noddy’s Nitwits … manipulation of the power invested in them to their own sordid ends …

    I’m glad no-one has attempted to defend their actions here … I’m sure some have on other forums …

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2014 5:10 pm

    Lets not forget the silent majority.

    Yeah, egg, we’ll just ignore the reality of the polls just lately …

    “”I’m glad no-one has attempted to defend their actions here …””

    Obviously posted my comment to soon …

  13. July 8, 2014 5:13 pm

    “Lets not forget the silent majority.”

    The thing about the phallacy (sic) of the so-called “silent majority” is that when you dig a little deeper they tend to be just a noisy little not-so-silent minority.

  14. egg permalink
    July 8, 2014 5:18 pm

    Only the swinging voters have shifted, the rusted ons from left and right are still in place.

  15. July 8, 2014 5:18 pm

    “what else are they capable of?”

    I understand that they are also planning to make boycotts of consumer goods and companies illegal.

    So you know, when activists call for a boycott of say Barilla Pasta due to homophobic statements published by the company’s senior executives those activists could face prosecution.

    Naturally, the executives don’t face prosecution for vilification because that’s just “free speech…”

  16. July 8, 2014 5:24 pm

    phobic pasta with bigot sauce,

    mmmmm, my favorite 😦 #corporate-teabags

  17. July 8, 2014 5:27 pm

    even Limited-News seems to indicate quite a bit of #teabag-regret in voterland dumpty

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2014 5:30 pm

    Only the swinging voters have shifted, the rusted ons from left and right are still in place

    I think you’ll find quite a few rusted on rights are starting to flake off, egg, if the polls in QLD (can’t speak for others) and nationally are anything to go by … and the discussions I have around the traps … support for all politicians is zero or below …

    Could you name one you like or trust?

    Naturally, the executives don’t face prosecution for vilification … or anything else it would seem …

    But I agree and have for some time (as my comments – despite, Kneel’s childish attempts at proving otherwise) that BOTH major parties are in the pockets of big business … the union thieves are unique to the union … but then so are the maverick businesses unique to the Liberals …

  19. July 8, 2014 5:37 pm

    ””””when activists call for a boycott””””’

    it seems to me the day of the `boycott` is near dead, consider clothing and footwear for instance, we would all be pretty much stuffed trying to buy footwear or clothes that don`t have slave or sweatshop inputs in their production

  20. July 8, 2014 5:40 pm

    despite `our` teabags””””childish attempts at proving otherwise) that BOTH major parties are in the pockets of big business””””to the detriment of Aust-biz and Aust-people

  21. July 8, 2014 5:45 pm

    “we would all be pretty much stuffed trying to buy footwear or clothes that don`t have slave or sweatshop inputs in their production”

    This is true, but it’s occasionally politically and sociologically convenient for the masses to feign outrage over some perceived injustice.

  22. egg permalink
    July 8, 2014 6:05 pm

    ‘Could you name one you like or trust?’

    Dennis Jensen.

  23. July 8, 2014 6:13 pm

    l hear what you`re saying reb and somewhat agree, l would point out the lobbist-talkinghead-media circle-jerk is always trying/feigning to whip-up outrage, the masses/public don`t always go along.

    lt would be wrong to assume the public/masses agree or disagree, as often the public end-up suffering from various `fatigues`.

    eg. do you remember a few years back qld banana crops were flattened by cyclone, an island of indonesia was hit by a sunami and there was a couple of other `disasters`,

    what charities started reporting was the `donating`public were `fatigued` towards charities (ie._`oh_not_again!`),

    there is a similar marketing research trial/test which was done on `choice`, which concluded that giving consumers too-much choice resulted in `choice-fatigue`,

    eg consumer is buying peanut-butter, if there is only a small selection(say_6) the consumer will happily look at most, if not all 6 types of peanut-butter, and buy,

    if the consumer is faced with 30 choices, many tend to keep walking, don`t want the hassle of sorting thru 30 choices,

    getting back to `outrage`, l would strongly suspect, particularly time-poor people, could be suffering `outrage/boycott/etc`fatigue

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2014 6:19 pm

    … getting back to `outrage`, l would strongly suspect, particularly time-poor people, could be suffering `outrage/boycott/etc`fatigue …

    WOW! That “could be” the best “scientific” suspicion I’ve heard recently if ever there was one …

    C’mon, Tbag, you live next door to, egg, really? Don’t you?

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2014 6:21 pm

    The Australian Liberal MP Dennis Jensen agrees with many of the things Christopher Monckton says. But which things?

    Chortle! Jensen looks like Monckton’s love child … hawhaw ….

  26. July 8, 2014 6:39 pm

    ””””C’mon, Tbag, you live next door to, egg””””

    # l can see l have to spank my grandpa, yet again 🙂

    Well TB, l don`t have `evidence` as such, so l say `suspect`, as it does seem to align with other `fatigues`, which have been researched/studied,

    have you noticed over the years, advertising has continually got `bigger`, `louder` and `more-shrill`, thats because the public developed `advertising-fatigue`/immunity,

    #yes, that`s been researched by advertising agents/marketers too

  27. July 8, 2014 6:46 pm

    charity fatigue

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donor_fatigue

    #handing.grandpa.his.own.arse 🙂 part-1

  28. July 8, 2014 6:49 pm

    Slightly off topic: If someone was to stab Michael Buble to death I wouldn’t be disappointed.

  29. July 8, 2014 6:49 pm

    choice fatigue

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_fatigue

    #part-2 (yeah, l realize the terminology is slightly different)

  30. July 8, 2014 6:51 pm

    Do we `really` need to antagonize Canadia `again` this year reb.?

  31. July 8, 2014 6:52 pm

    Carpet bombing him & Bieber on the same round trip seems like a mission worth crowd-funding.

  32. July 8, 2014 6:56 pm

    “Canadia”

    😆

  33. July 8, 2014 7:05 pm

    You know, when I set up the Gutter Trash I wanted it to be a parody of the pseudo sensationalist news shit that is ramped up to eleventy in our local news media….

    Not once did i think that our local news outlets would consider this some sort of challenge, but it appears that they have:

    “This is Australia’s bravest cat”

    ‘Why aren’t you crying?’

    “The professor who lives in a dumpster”

    “How a paperclip led to boy’s polar bear death”

    “You’ll never guess who Sofia Vergara is dating now”

    http://www.news.com.au

    How is a shoe-string budget “newspaper” like The Gutter Trash meant to compete with the intellectual rigour of investigative journalism like this…???

  34. July 8, 2014 7:07 pm

    Oh I know…

    SEND ME ALL YOUR MONEY NOW!

    reb@reb.com.au

  35. July 8, 2014 7:13 pm

    I’ve just been called “A perfectly formed lil’ tosser”

    I’ll take that as a compilment.

  36. July 8, 2014 7:15 pm

    armed drones are heading to sa as we speak

  37. July 8, 2014 7:17 pm

    Yes, but when will they have “Is Joe Hockey Just A Fat Cnut?” as a headline?

    You’ve always been lightyears ahead of the pack! 😉

  38. July 8, 2014 7:24 pm

    Thank you boss that made me smile…. 🙂

  39. July 8, 2014 7:25 pm

    ”””just been called “A perfectly formed lil’ tosser”””

    so where do`ya collect your abuse from nowadays.?

  40. July 8, 2014 7:27 pm

    Facebook. And that was from my so called “friends”.

    In saying that, I know where they live.

    How should they die Teababz…?

    I’m open to suggestions….

  41. egg permalink
    July 8, 2014 7:56 pm

    ‘Chortle! Jensen looks like Monckton’s love child … hawhaw ….’

    That’s cherry picking.

  42. egg permalink
    July 8, 2014 8:00 pm

    ‘a parody of the pseudo sensationalist news ‘

    Life imitates art, Trash is leading the charge, where to from here?

  43. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2014 8:31 pm

    ”You know, when I set up the Gutter Trash I wanted it to be a parody of the pseudo sensationalist news shit that is ramped up to eleventy in our local news media….

    What do you mean “a parody”? Now I’m concerned that I’ve been hanging around here for years and years (and years) under a false assumption. I thought this was a blog for serious people.

  44. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2014 9:06 pm

    I quite like Ben Elton

    I don’t mind him either. Ben Eltham is also good 😯

  45. July 8, 2014 9:33 pm

    Long, slow and drawn-out as they`re on dumb-fcukbook,

    _____

    Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
    Zuck: Just ask
    Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS
    [Redacted Friend’s Name]: What? How’d you manage that one?
    Zuck: People just submitted it.
    Zuck: I don’t know why.
    Zuck: They “trust me”
    Zuck: Dumb fucks

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg

  46. July 9, 2014 9:01 am

    “Prime Minister Tony Abbott says his government will not give in to “moral blackmail” following reported suicide attempts by asylum seekers on Christmas Island.”

    Moral blackmail…??

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-says-government-will-not-give-in-to-moral-blackmail-over-asylum-seeker-suicide-attempts-20140709-3blh3.html#ixzz36vAIc0Mb

  47. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2014 10:24 am

    I don’t mind him either. Ben Eltham is also good 😯

    hehe, I thought that was a parody and not serious!

    I’m confused now 😕

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2014 10:28 am

    #handing.grandpa.his.own.arse

    More wishful ageistthinking

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    SEND ME ALL YOUR MONEY NOW!

    You’re just another WCP, sreb!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    How should they die Teababz…?

    I’m open to suggestions….

    Buy a drone a scare ’em to death?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I thought this was a blog for serious people.

    Depends what you mean by “serious”, ToM, “inflation” can mean many things too … 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I don’t mind him either. Ben Eltham is also good

    Bitch! I left that alone, TR, and just offered a hint in my reply to, sreb … 😆

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “Prime Minister Tony Abbott says his government will not give in to “moral blackmail”

    Dickwit™! … I hope the electorate let’s him know we won’t give in to his immoral blackmail!

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2014 10:31 am

    Moral blackmail…??

    ‘over a moral barrel’ even, where do you find those ❓

  50. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2014 10:37 am

    hehe, I thought that was a parody and not serious!

    It was yomm, who is a parody 😉

    Bitch! I left that alone

    I probably should have too, but really wanted to be sure.

  51. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2014 10:40 am

    The 37 Sinhalese and four Tamils, including some women and children

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/asylum-seekers-face-court-in-sri-lanka-20140708-3bkrg.html

    Weren’t we told by our minister for not telling us anything that it was 41 men?

    Didn’t hockey cry about sending children back to be victimised?

    Is he still crying, or is that just because of the cigar smoke in his eyes?

  52. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2014 10:43 am

    The Prime Minister says the Government will not be held “over a moral barrel”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-09/mothers-self-harm-wont-influence-coalition-asylum-policy/5583170

    I really don’t think there is any danger of that happening. Morals were abandoned long ago by this mob.

  53. July 9, 2014 10:45 am

    I think what Tony means is that they’re not going to give in to “decency”..

  54. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2014 11:05 am

    they never had any decency, never will.

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2014 11:07 am

    Not sure Abbott & The Acolytes understand the meaning of “decency” … mouthing the words maybe but walking the talk is a lot different …

    Just where is Joe Hockey?

    Even Abbott’s “own” right leaning international pollies don’t seem to like him much (Emma sounds as if she does tho’ – so much for the ABC bias) …

    And Tones would be upset … this is a Pommie LORD bagging the shite out of him … LOL!

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4042037.htm

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2014 11:39 am

    The entire policy is a cruel debacle. It’s a shameful race to appeal to the most xenophobic emotions.

    It’s difficult to know how to return to a level of rationality**

    (**queue a reply suggesting that rationality isn’t my strong point anyway)
    =======
    (Ben Eltham- how embarrassing)

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2014 12:03 pm

    (Ben Eltham- how embarrassing)

    I thought his article was very good.

    (Sorry, ToM … TR made me do it) 🙂

  58. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2014 12:12 pm

    It’s a shameful race to appeal to the most xenophobic emotions.

    Why labor even join in is beyond me. Not with the cheer squad the libs have available to them.

  59. July 9, 2014 12:15 pm

    Climate change, Equality Free speech, Refugee’s, The Economy, Social Justice and equality, Native title, Workplace relations.. I think its fair to say that the Fiberals under the control of the neo con religious right (who have hijacked true liberalism) have failed the great moral challenge and dragged labor, debate and Australia into their immoral empathetic void.

  60. July 9, 2014 12:36 pm

    that unempathetic… meglomaniac narcissists are devoid of empathy…

  61. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2014 12:44 pm

    The entire policy is a cruel debacle. It’s a shameful race to appeal to the most xenophobic emotions.

    That is the conservative political MO, has been for decades. The thing that gets me tomM is that they have no compunction about playing the race card at any time and over any issue. It’s not only refugees they do it with, it’s aboriginal people all the time, muslims at the moment, not long ago it was asians. If they’re not white and western or aligned with white western ‘values’ they’ll be attacked and a problem manufactured for which they have the solution. Pathetic and shameless and it should be voted out of existence. Same for labor if they want to emulate the policies.

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2014 1:39 pm

    Same for labor if they want to emulate the policies.

    Absolutely, KL … the White Australia Policy is alive and well and being a white Australian it angers me … black, white, yellow, red, brown, blue, brindle, I don’t fkn care if you are a nice person (and 90% of people are!) then I don’t care what your and strange as it may sound to some here … your creed (just live by it!) …

    If you watch (or read the transcript) of the Lord Deben interview I linked from Lateline … one of the phrases that really grates is “and Australia is an English speaking country” … typical old conservative) …

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2014 2:02 pm

    “Australia is an English speaking country”

    I was in the US some time ago and someone told me that I “spoke American real well”

    There are also some genuine f**kwits in the USA

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2014 2:35 pm

    There are also some genuine f**kwits in the USA

    On that we can agree, ToM … and strangely they are really noice hosts …

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2014 2:40 pm

    Gets a bit thick, RP, when the Septic Tanks start criticising Herr Morrison and the Refugee SS … hey?

  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2014 3:50 pm

    Child locked in cell for two days in Karratha, ‘We can’t send her anywhere’ WA police say
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-09/child-locked-in-police-cell-for-2-days-in-karratha/5584402

    …An 11-year-old girl spent two days locked in a jail cell in Western Australia’s north, according to local police.
    Karratha police have confirmed the girl was put in the lockup after she breached bail conditions last month when she was staying at a hostel while in state care…

    11 yo breached bail conditions? What is happening to us?

  67. July 9, 2014 6:41 pm

    TB even as an atheist I can see that this rabbles low ban is in Hell itself, they just choose to manifest it here in Australia…

    My point is if even the septics cannot believe what these inhumane “christians” are up to. Scott Morrison can only be described as fucking evil.

  68. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2014 8:59 pm

    by calling these acts of human desperation “moral blackmail”, Tony Abbott has once again painted asylum seekers as the bad guys. As people who follow a different moral code. As people who are different to you and I. As ‘queue-jumpers’. As law breakers. As ‘illegals’.

    http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/tony-abbott-on-asylum-seeker-suicide-attempts/

    “We will decide who self-harms and the manner in which they will do it” ❓ 😯

    Their starting to make howards dog whistles sound quite soothing.

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2014 9:41 pm

    ”The thing that gets me tomM is that they have no compunction about playing the race card at any time and over any issue.

    It’s repulsive.

    As I’ve said before, if boatloads of Scandinavian backpackers were arriving unannounced, we’d set up a nice hostel and a singles bar on Christmas Island. Then we’d welcome them to our cities and give them free drinks at nightclubs.

    I’m also really embarrassed about the international reporting, friends overseas used to think we were civilized here.

    Were we so offended when white Rhodesians bailed out?

  70. July 9, 2014 10:31 pm

    ”””””””””military is implicated in allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity,” the report said.

    ”Torture and mistreatment including the rape of men and women, is reportedly widespread in”””””””””custody

    #this could be sri-lanka ricky, or equally gitmo, Aust and teh-usa really arse-fcuked itself going down the `gitmo` road and basically neutered itself when it comes to trying to hold anybody else to account,

    the door of injustice is wide open now, whether its sri-lanka, israel/palestine, russia/ukraine, syria, pakistan/india/kashmir, or the afghan/iraq fcuk-up we created

  71. July 9, 2014 10:36 pm

    quite frankly ricky, these hague/nurumberg type things should be scrapped, when we can`t hold our own to account, we have no business trying to hold others to account, otherwise it smells like colonialism, and only poor/weak/black nations will be punished

  72. July 10, 2014 1:53 am

    Well we’ve come along way as aspirant Gulag proprietors ot only do we have a few in despot countries but we now have floating ones with speedy video processing thanks to Tones and Scotty 🙂

  73. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2014 11:06 am

    Were we so offended when white Rhodesians bailed out?

    not at all, IIRC howard hastily bypassed immigration rules to make it easier for them to get in, seeing they were such good white folks in a spot of bother.

    do we have a few in despot countries but we now have floating ones with speedy video processing thanks to Tones and Scotty…

    yep, four questions and you’re on your way back. No wonder morrison wants out of that portfolio, he must be nearly unelectable. I can’t even understand why the rusted ons would continue to vote for our piracy on the high seas. Come to think of it, neil has been absent since all this shit began, must be busy looking the other way or trying hard to find any excuse to defend the libs [perhaps bolt will assist] 👿

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2014 11:43 am

    Come to think of it, neil has been absent since all this shit began

    Yeah, and a few others if you look closely … however … that’s a good sign … there were occasions when I wouldn’t defend the last lot of amateurs either … although we did comment at our distaste of some of the things they did … the single mum’s pay reduction springs to mind and there were others I know – the carers got short shrift too and we ranted …

    Seems to be the difference … we tend to criticise the left and the right … the right side just disappear …

  75. July 10, 2014 11:07 pm

    yeah agree TB, `our` teabags seem to go to ground when their `team` becomes too despotic or we give`em a thrashing 🙂

  76. July 11, 2014 1:01 am

    ”””””””’defend the libs [perhaps bolt will assist] :evil:”””””””

    as we speak, bolt paces the hallways of the ipa, waiting with abated breath for the final word from the despot in charge, on just how to spin the latest impoverished brain-fart from the teabag-in-chief of floating and off-shore gulags,

    the furrows in bolts brow deepens, as he considers just how he will be able to sell the current situation to his minions, in a way that not only pleases his pay-masters, but also in a way that will not drastically reduce the numbers of useful idiots that provide him his power and influence via his blog and tv show,

    suddenly a decrepit figure appears in the hallway, startling bolt for an instant, but then bolt recognizes the figure, it is a loyal and trusted friend, a bold and brave truth-teller, a voice of reason, its hendo,

    we`ve got it, we`ve got it, the problem is solved, squeaks a somewhat tired and excited hendo, we know how to sell to the public, `who we have to blame for our floating off-shore gulags`,

    hendo slips bolt a folded sheet of paper and tells bolt, `this has all the answers` and scuttles off down the hallway, and a much relieved bolt pockets the folded sheet of paper and heads back to the office to carry-out his work-order and begin instructing his minions,

    as bolt arrives at his office, he takes the folded paper hendo gave him and glances at the solution, bolt arrives at his desk, sits down at an already on computer, there is no environmental reason to turn them off, and begins typing,

    lt is all the fault of the government funded national broadcaster . . .

  77. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2014 7:33 am

    we tend to criticise the left and the right … the right side just disappear …

    Well, to be completely honest, I criticise the right a lot more vociferously than I criticize the left. But, considering the left get so much extra, mostly unwarranted, “criticism” from the media anyway, I consider my personal reduction in “outrage” to be more than compensated for. 😉

    Generally, I just voice my disapproval and move on for most god awful decisions made by Labor, although, as I have have seen, it goes unnoticed by the missing anyway

    Besides, their bad decisions are far outweighed by the good imo, and, I do not look for perfection, I look for the best outcome within the narrow band of choices we have.

    Is why I liked Peter Garrets personal choice of Labor over the Greens so much

    50% of something is far better than 100% of nothing.

    And, who’d have thought, we might even get something out of the ets all because of a mining magnate. Oh the irony

  78. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2014 4:00 pm

    “It’s healthy for politicians to be humiliated, and few are more deserving than Morrison.”

    What to say?? Unless we want to have open borders we should have a quota system.

    Under Labor economic immigrants could buy their way to Australia while refugees were stuck in UNCHR camps.

    Scott Morrirson is the only hope for people in UNHCR camps.

    Tom of Melbourne- you are the hero for people with $$$$10,000 who can can buy their way into Australia.

  79. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 11, 2014 4:25 pm

    Neil, do you really think we’d be so bothered if the people arriving were blond?

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2014 4:32 pm

    OK TOm- I don’t know.

    Under Howard we had a quota system where we took 13,750 people from UNHCR camps. Under Rudd/Gillard we took people with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$10,000.

    The black people in Melbourne causing trouble from a country i cannot remember came here under John Howards refugee program. They now cannot get into Australia because they have no money to travel Indonesia. No money to pay a smuggler and no money to do anything.

    Under John Howard we took people with NO money.

  81. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2014 4:51 pm

    …lt is all the fault of the government funded national broadcaster . .

    I do like a good yarn, that could be some of your finest work teabagz!
    I could visualise the hunched over shadowy, evil figure of hendo creeping along the hallway like some kind of miniature quasimodo.

    With the appointments of planet janet and and that other anti ABC crony to the board, that scenario could be played out whenever the ABC reports anything about the coalition. The libs do like to nobble every public body under govt. control, no possibility of ‘without fear of favour’ when they take over the joint and control the funding.

    What to say?? Unless we want to have open borders we should have a quota system.

    Maybe we shouldn’t participate in wars that cause global instability, divided nations and displaced peoples if we don’t want to shoulder our share of the fallout?

    I do hope that tony abbott is not going to do deals with any minor parties, remember his vow? Remember how he pilloried JG for any compromise position or deals with the indies or greens. Remember when she lied re carbon tax after forming minority govt, I do hope tony abbott will keep to his word, every one of them, not the ‘four main commitments’ we are now expected to swallow.

    Apparently the senate disarray and lack of legislation is all ‘situation normal’ in a minority govt, says TA, no biggie. Didn’t he think very differently when labor was in minority govt, weren’t they incompetent and everything was all gillard’s fault? His effortless lies and constant doublespeak has no bounds or equal and abbott is saying “don’t stereotype me” WTF, he’s amazing with the brazen chutzpah isn’t he? Telling us what to think and not to think, because we just can’t do it for ourselves!

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-11/situation-normal-in-senate-tony-abbott/5589628

  82. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2014 4:59 pm

    “Maybe we shouldn’t participate in wars that cause global instability, divided nations and displaced peoples if we don’t want to shoulder our share of the fallout?”

    The people in the news are from Sri Lanka. News to me that we took part in a Sri Lankan war.

    The fact is under Labor/greens/palmer/whatever we took people with money.

    Under John Howard we took the poorest of the poor from UNHCR camps.

    Red, yellow, black or white we took them under Howard.

  83. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2014 5:14 pm

    The people in the news are from Sri Lanka. News to me that we took part in a Sri Lankan war.

    is it news to you that the tamils are persecuted in sri lanka? Is it news to you that australia has opposed a UN war crimes inquiry when the british are seriously condemning the human rights violations?

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-opposes-un-resolution-to-conduct-war-crimes-inquiry-in-sri-lanka-20140328-35moj.html

    In a report in March, the Human Rights Law Centre said Australia had formed a ”dangerously close” relationship with Sri-Lanka’s military to gain its co-operation in implementing asylum seeker policies.

    ”The Sri Lankan military is implicated in allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity,” the report said.

    ”Torture and mistreatment including the rape of men and women, is reportedly widespread in police custody.”…

    …”A culture of impunity encourages commonplace torture, enforced disappearances and sexual violence,” the letter said…

    enforced disappearances? where are the 153 disappeared neil? Are they on a lovely luxury holiday somewhere?

  84. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2014 5:24 pm

    No. It is news to me that we took part in a war causing instability in Sri lanka.

  85. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2014 5:25 pm

    Under John Howard we took the poorest of the poor from UNHCR camps.
    Red, yellow, black or white we took them under Howard.

    BS, we took a few and it was capped, if any AS came along by boat there numbers were taken from the total number of allocated refugees. Which is why you spout the rubbish re jumping queues and taking from genuine refugees in the camps. Why can’t we commit to the number from the camps and also take others who arrive by boat? Is that too much for your closed little mind to accommodate? They are all in need neil, there are no genuine and illegals when it comes to refuge seeking asylum. Anyone taking a perilous journey where their lives may be lost are not doing it for fun and recreation purposes. they will make good and decent, productive australian citizens.

    You are just too shit scared and xenophobic to be of any use, might as well spend your life quivering under your bed.

  86. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2014 5:30 pm

    No. It is news to me that we took part in a war causing instability in Sri lanka.

    there have been a number of wars neil, i wasn’t referring to sri lanka specifically, which you well know. Why do you want to nitpick and focus on a semantics to completely avoid the main argument?

  87. Meta permalink
    July 11, 2014 5:31 pm

    (Who arms the Sri Lankan regime? Just out of interest; ie, is there any ‘duty of care’, or any ‘consequence’, for how arms are used by end-users, or check on ‘material support for state-based terrorism’?)

  88. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2014 5:34 pm

    “BS, we took a few and it was capped”

    Yep and it was capped at 13,750. Labor did the same but capped maybe higher but since people who came under Labor were not refugees the cap was much lower.

    “They are all in need neil”

    Yep and the USA is getting 30,000 of these people/month.

    The lefties i work with think humans are a pest and want the Australian population reduced to 8 million people so i take no notice from greenie people who think we should be taking more refugees.

  89. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2014 5:46 pm

    The lefties i work with think humans are a pest and want the Australian population reduced to 8 million people so i take no notice from greenie people who think we should be taking more refugees…

    oh, back to your “the greens want the australian population to be culled” propaganda, thanks for reminding me, have you got the links for that policy as requested?

    Can you comment on the abbott government and how they are doing, their policy successes etc, or are you still lost in the howard/costello era?

    hi meta, indeed.
    Australia has given the sri lankan navy two retired patrol boats to intercept asylum seekers bound for Australia. Now, that’s not aiding and abetting state based terrorism, torture and human rights abuses of a persecuted minority, is it?

  90. egg permalink
    July 11, 2014 5:58 pm

    ‘Who arms the Sri Lankan regime?’

    They arm themselves, during the war it was on borrowed money. Regime might be a little biased, its a democracy.

    We took no part in the war, but when the Indian PM was murdered by the Tigers it was the last straw. No longer freedom fighters, just terrorists.

  91. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2014 6:05 pm

    “oh, back to your “the greens want the australian population to be culled”

    Absolutely. That is what the greenies i work with want. I have no links. I guess they would not like to put what they tell me in print.

    They tell me humans are a pest on the planet.

  92. July 11, 2014 6:16 pm

    duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh…Neil…

  93. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 11, 2014 6:21 pm

    That is what the greenies i work with want.

    sure they do, i see what you did there neil, you nonce!

    bit like abbott, can’t ever say you’re sorry, admit wrondoing or that you lied/misled, quick, look over there!

    so, the greenies you work with get sick to death of your propaganda and tell you that people like you should be culled from the population.

    natural attrition will probably do just as well 🙂

  94. egg permalink
    July 11, 2014 6:33 pm

    ‘I have no links.’

    Joining the dots and the formation of political culture.

    According to the Club of Rome: “The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”

  95. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 11, 2014 6:49 pm

    Well SA Greens want a stable population

    http://greens.org.au/sa/policies/sustainable-population

    The Greens will:

    Aim to stabilise South Australia’s population within a generation.

  96. Meta permalink
    July 11, 2014 7:00 pm

    (Still not really seeing why the UNHCR would be issuing escalating ‘concern’ memos about patent non-camp, non-quota people legitimately culled on-cue from latentised queue-formation consideration; obviously, on-water ‘enhanced screening’ efficacy would be more or less improved if would-be presumed-economic-refugees-qua-possible-asylum-claimants were given the strong impression that they were more likely than not to be ‘refouled’, and that whatever they said to quasi-militarised ‘migration officials’, before obtaining some measure of procedural and/or substantive ‘safety’, was likely to be shared, even the very fact of who they were or that they might have said anything at all about nothing in particular, and ultimately even their very returnee personhoods, with their new-old ‘enhanced interrogators’ back home, for ‘enhanced verification’, on that or a subsequent occasion.)

  97. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2014 7:44 pm

    That is what the greenies i work with want.

    I have a feeling that if I were to be working with nil all day long I may just have moments where culling might hold some appeal 😉

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2014 5:42 pm

    I suppose Ian Thorpe will have to return all his gold medals now.

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