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Rostrum: No Particular Reason Edition!

October 23, 2015

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Hello you miserable lot.  It’s been a very long time since we had a “Rostrum,”  our increasingly infrequent open discussion forum where you can talk about whatever you like.

 

 

 

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  1. October 23, 2015 6:32 pm

    Rostrum””No Particular Reason Edition!””#celebrating the `mission-statement` of mr-rabbits government.

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 23, 2015 6:45 pm

    Looks like Fifi’s mum with Andrew Peacock

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    October 23, 2015 7:04 pm

    Notice Andrew is the only one gleaming into the camera lens?

    Andrew was to be PM … once …

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    October 23, 2015 7:08 pm

    As Opposition Leader, Peacock faced an uphill battle against the hugely popular Hawke. At the 1984 election he was given little chance of winning, but he performed better than expected by reducing Hawke’s majority. In 1985, as Labor’s position in opinion polls improved, Peacock’s popularity sank and Howard’s profile rose, keeping leadership speculation alive. Peacock said he would no longer accept Howard as deputy unless he offered assurances that he would not challenge for the leadership. Following Howard’s refusal to offer such an assurance, in September 1985 Peacock sought to replace him with John Moore as Deputy Leader.[4] The party room re-elected Howard as Deputy, contrary to Peacock’s wishes. Despite possessing greater support in the parliamentary party than Howard,[5] Peacock unexpectedly resigned, concluding the situation was untenable. Howard was comfortably elected Opposition Leader on 5 September,[6] and appointed Peacock Shadow Foreign Minister.

    Howard lost the 1987 election to Hawke, largely due to the Nationals pulling out of the Coalition in support of Queensland Premier Joh Bjelke-Petersen’s quixotic bid to become Prime Minister. After the election, Peacock was elected Deputy Leader in a show of party unity. But Peacock’s supporters began to plot against Howard, and in May 1989 they mounted a party room coup which returned Peacock to the leadership. Peacock, now 50, cultivated a new mature image, enhanced by a second marriage to Margaret St George. He also renewed the Coalition with the Nationals.

    On 18 March 1990, Peacock was interviewed by Laurie Oakes on the television program Sunday, regarding his stance on the Multifunction Polis (MFP), a proposal to build a Japanese funded technology city in Australia.[7] Peacock attacked the MFP concept, saying it would become an Asian “enclave”.[8] According to Roy Morgan Research, Peacock’s attack on the MFP did not help him politically, and the Labor Party used the issue to highlight division within the Liberal Party, as John Elliott and others supported the MFP.[7] The following day, The Australian newspaper ran a headline titled Peacock a ‘danger in the Lodge’.'[7]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Peacock

  5. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 23, 2015 8:36 pm

    He needs to go OS, he can’t give his insights away here.

    death cult, death cult, death cult, death cult, coming to get us, be very afraid!

    No moonlighting please, we pay abbott to sit on the back bench not to double dip.

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 23, 2015 8:38 pm

  7. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 23, 2015 8:44 pm

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 23, 2015 8:48 pm

  9. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 23, 2015 9:05 pm

    Hockey the fantasy economist may as well have farewelled Middle-earth
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2015/oct/22/hockey-the-fantasy-economist-may-as-well-have-farewelled-middle-earth

  10. October 23, 2015 9:29 pm

    1.”””Gawd! He is an appalling orator. Absolutely incapable of engaging his audience. The most expensive sedative on the market.

    Commenter eyeroll Location Sydney Date and time October 23, 2015, 11:59AM””””””””

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/offers-over-40000-tony-abbott-joins-the-international-speakers-circuit-20151022-gkgjd8.html

    2.””’Surely the fee should be halved as you always hear the same thing twice?

    Wow – I’d pay to shut him up.

    Commenter davemac Location Melbourne Date and time October 23, 2015, 11:55AM”””””””””””’

  11. October 23, 2015 9:41 pm

    Tony”””Abbott

    Prime Minister of Australia (2013–2015)

    An engaging, decisive leader during one of the most turbulent times in Australian politics, Tony Abbott provides timely and candid analysis of the most complex and critical issues facing our world today.”””

    http://www.washingtonspeakers.com/speakers/speaker.cfm?SpeakerID=22685

    #not.really

  12. October 23, 2015 9:49 pm

    monkey see, monkey do,

    the rabbit spent so much time trying to mimic john-w, even after getting the bullet, look what l found,

    ”””’John Howard

    Prime Minister of Australia (1996-2007)

    A visionary leader who believes that national strength abroad begins at home, John Howard provides a vision for the economic future and a look at global leadership in turbulent times.”””’

    #so fcuking `visionary` he flogged-off the national telco at the dawn of the internet-age

    http://www.washingtonspeakers.com/speakers/speaker.cfm?SpeakerID=6132

    #l also love the way those that wish to inflict `nightmares` on others like to claim they`re `visionary`

  13. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 24, 2015 8:44 am

    The damage Joe Hockey did in just 2 years

    Yeah and when Wayne Swan became Treasurer in 2007 govt debt was ZERO and unemployment was 4.3%.

    Kids in detention in 2007 = zero
    Kids in detention in 2013 = 2,000
    asylum seekers in detention in 2007 = 6
    asylum seekers in detention in 2013 = thousands
    money spent housing 6 asylum seekers in 2007 = not much
    money spent housing 50,000 boat people that Rudd/Gillard let in = $11B and rising

    The damage that Rudd/Gillard did in just 6 years.

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2015 11:48 am

    “””An engaging, decisive leader … “””

    An engaging and divisive bleeder … !

    Abbott speech … er ($500) … um ($500) … ar ($500) … urm ($500) … well, look ($1000) … er ($500) … shit ($1000) … ahh ($500) … happens ($2000)* …

    *two syllables (in case you were wondering) 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The damage that Rudd/Gillard did in just 6 years.

    You always miss the point … they were ousted … so was Hockey …

  15. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 24, 2015 8:44 pm

    You always miss the point … they were ousted … so was Hockey …

    But Hockey did not do any damage. He did fail to clean up the mess that Swan left but things are more or less the same economically when Labor lost govt.

    The budget deficit is similar and unemployment has gone up a little bit but nothing like the huge increases that happened under Swan.

    And the Coalition did not drown 1,200 people.

  16. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 24, 2015 9:23 pm

    someone threatened to sue or libs applying pressure to ABC? [again]

  17. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 24, 2015 10:12 pm

    And the Coalition did not drown 1,200 people.

    Sorry i made a mistake there. Rudd/Gillard drowned 1,200 people that we can record but there were most probably 4 or 5 times that number.

    The sad thing about that is that Howard after much trial and error put a stop to things like that.

    But the ALP restarted the drownings.

  18. October 24, 2015 11:26 pm

    er ($500) .. um ($500) .. ar ($500) .. urm ($500) .. death($1000) .. cult($1000) .. death($1000) .. cult($1000) .. death($1000) .. cult($1000) .. #ka.ching

    #and four minutes glaring and nodding in silence at network-7 .. #priceless:-)

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    October 25, 2015 12:45 pm

    Do we get penalty rates for commenting on Saturday and Sunday?

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 25, 2015 1:08 pm

    We should get penalty rates every day that we have to read -“I want to live in a society…”

    In my not so humble opinion, if you wish to live in a society, you should move out of Queensland!

  21. October 25, 2015 7:01 pm

    Deep-throating in cubicles and squirting over sea-creatures isn`t helping `society` either. #pot.kettle

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    October 26, 2015 12:04 am

    We should get penalty rates every day that we have to read -“I want to live in a society…”

    So you agree with penalty rates … but you don’t want to live in a society … explains quite a lot about your psyche …

    In my not so humble opinion, if you wish to live in a society, you should move out of Queensland

    Probably a good job that you deleted “not so” … saves me the trouble … and I certainbly won’t move out of the Sunshine state so that your* Mexican rabble can rampage over the border … thank Christ (why does it automatically put a fkn cap C on Christ?) for NSW … the one thing that separates Vic from Qld! 🙂

    WTF does the comment under yours even mean?

  23. October 26, 2015 1:08 am

    Freedom boys november round-table just looks like another airy-fairy talkfest that will produce zero as far as l`m concerned armchair. l neither see it resulting in dog-clubs paying tax (and facing proper prosecution of pedo-members) or, giving atheist`s tax-free status too.

    #another.cash.bonfire

  24. October 26, 2015 1:21 am

    oops sorry,

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-22/harris-freedom-of-belief,-not-religious-freedom/6875620

    ,..Religious freedom` is often just a Trojan horse for religious privilege. That’s why we should instead be promoting the freedom of all beliefs, including atheistic ones ..

    #freedom`from`religion.much.mor.important

  25. Tom R permalink
    October 26, 2015 8:44 am

    Isn’t yabot still a sitting member of parliament? What is he doing moonlighting on tax payer dollars? He is also talking about “the second yabot grubmint” (or wtte)

    I also see hockey has been asked not to “double dip” on his pension. This could be fun.

  26. Tom R permalink
    October 26, 2015 9:10 am

    I get the feeling the #alltalk hashtag will be getting a workout.

  27. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 26, 2015 9:24 am

    It’s great to see my personal troll returning after their suspension. Let’s all hope that the quality of the trolling shows some improvement and that lessons have been learned!

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 26, 2015 9:32 am

    This is why that COMPLETE C**T FRASER should never be rehabilitated. Fraser was only able to maintain his blocking of the budget by reassuring wavering Senators that it would be over in a week. Several senators were about to fold.

    John Kerr decided to remove Gough Whitlam in the week before the Dismissal and was in secret discussion about this with Malcolm Fraser.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/new-revelations-about-the-dismissal-continue-to-emerge-after-40-years-20151023-gkhb1a.html#ixzz3pca8GtR4

  29. Tom R permalink
    October 26, 2015 10:00 am

  30. Tom R permalink
    October 26, 2015 10:04 am

    lol

  31. Tom R permalink
    October 26, 2015 10:14 am

    I see #turc has added ANOTHER week onto its witch hunt. Into November now without any real explanation. Will they still finish this year, or will this be dragged through to the election?

    Yes, the Unions should have taken it to the high court. They really had nothing to lose (except more of their member money)

    A couple of quotes from #turc re “side deals. One in particular was to “service” non union members (eg, training). So the Union is looking after not just Union members, but non union also, for the company.

    A. Yes. Look, and I’ll say again, whilst I don’t recall
    sending the letter but I’ll offer you this comment: the
    service was to provide service for all Cleanevent employees
    who are covered by the MOU and the enterprise agreements
    and there was no discrimination against members,
    non-members, casuals, permanents, and the AWU has,
    particularly the Victorian Branch, put enormous resources
    into servicing that workplace, along with delegates.
    That’s basically what actually happened in reality, and
    that’s basically it.

    And the reality of “bettor of”

    A. No, no. Members would – members or employees of
    Cleanevent, if we’d have gone to the Modern Award, they
    would be worse off because there’s a transitional
    arrangement in part of the Modern Award where there’s a
    difference between a 20 per cent casual loading,
    for example, and 25 per cent that would be phased in over
    three years, 1 July 2010 to 1 July 2014, and the same thing
    for the penalty rates. So if you then did a comparison
    between the MOU, the Enterprise Agreement and that Award,
    whether it’s the Cleaning Services Award or the Amusement
    Award which currently now applies to the workers by
    Cleanevent, as the agreement was terminated in June this
    year, the workers at Cleanevent will be worse off, and
    I have done a calculation on that recently and I can
    actually demonstrate that to you. They will be worse off,
    not better off.

    http://www.tradeunionroyalcommission.gov.au/Hearings/Pages/Hearings/2015/22-October-2015-Public-hearing.aspx

    Just for a hint of things you won’t read about in the msm 😉

    (that last one confused the hell out of the commish etal, which was quite amusing considering how hard the commission were trying to trip Melhem up)

  32. Tom R permalink
    October 26, 2015 1:17 pm

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 26, 2015 3:47 pm

    The TURC does a good job in hunting up union thuggery, union corruption and unions selling out their members.

    The fact that unions didn’t bother to go to the High Court with their allegation of bias is proof that there is no bias.

  34. Tom R permalink
    October 26, 2015 5:54 pm

    The TURC does a good job in hunting up union thuggery, union corruption and unions selling out their members.

    Nice to say, harder to prove. An example would be nice, if you can.

    But by turcmedia standards (and presumably yours), that would mean that the Unions sold out the workers at Port Kembla just recently then?

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 26, 2015 6:35 pm

    What’s the point of being a Liberal party member if you can’t have some say in who your candidate is going to be?
    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/liberal-party-members-should-rage-against-the-party-machine-20151024-gkhmuq.html#ixzz3pemg7Ps4

    …There will be a contest for pre-selection, but the outcome is pre-ordained. The machine wants Trent Zimmerman to replace Hockey.
    Zimmerman is a former political staffer for Hockey. He was in Hockey’s office for seven years. He is also the acting president of the NSW Liberals, and has nominated for election as state president…

    …But the machine is leaving little to chance.
    Last Wednesday, during a teleconference of members of the state executive, it was proposed that rank-and-file Liberal members in North Sydney be almost completely shut out of the pre-selection process.

    The proposal was to invoke emergency powers – even though there is clearly no emergency…

  36. October 26, 2015 7:42 pm

    tune in teebz, solar panel story on reportland .. #suck.it.up.teabags:-)

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 26, 2015 8:10 pm

    “Unions sold out the workers at Port Kembla just recently then?

    No, that was all transparent. Employees were fully briefed on the changes required.

    The difference with the agreement applying to Eastlink (etc) was that there was an additional, undisclosed exchange of consideration. That type of transaction, when undisclosed, can bel seen as corruption.

  38. October 26, 2015 8:31 pm

    boo””type of transaction, when undisclosed, can bel seen as corruption””

    #yet when boardrooms do it you see no problem

    #type of transaction(#passenger-tickets), when undisclosed(#flightpath-over-hot-battlefield), can bel seen as corruption.

    #still.lack.ethics.beyond.the.fetish

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 26, 2015 8:34 pm

    Hooray!!

    My personal (but semi literate) troll is making an effort.

    D+

  40. Tom R permalink
    October 26, 2015 8:57 pm

    can bel seen as corruption.

    Of course it “can” be seen, if you frame it as such without looking at what actually occurred. But, as Turc showed, it wasn’t. It was simply payments for services, such as training for non-union workers.

    there was an additional, undisclosed exchange of consideration.

    You mean, except for all the receipts on their public register?

  41. October 26, 2015 8:59 pm

    Hooray!!!!

    Still can`t mount a rational, fact-based and ethical argument, but reduced to discussing avatar `color` and `spleling`.

    #F–

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 26, 2015 9:29 pm

    AWU sold beneficial agreements for commercial gain, without specifically drawing the total commercial package to the members covered by the agreement.
    ——-
    Please don’t interpret my (re)acceptance of you as my personal troll (ie butler/jester) be interpreted as a decline in my standards and expectations.
    D-

  43. October 27, 2015 6:23 am

    The ghost of `kevin-07` still haunts the team

    ””””Malcolm Turnbull has widened already huge margins over Bill Shorten on satisfaction and better prime minister ratings while the Coalition has pulled ahead to lead 52-48% on the two-party vote, in Newspoll.

    Turnbull has a 67-point lead over Shorten in net satisfaction .. he is on plus 35 to Shorten`s minus 32. On the better prime minister rating, Turnbull is ahead 63%-17%. The results will put further pressure on the opposition leader as he struggles to position Labor to try to deal with the government’s new, more positive tone and the public’s enthusiasm for it.””””

    http://theconversation.com/newspoll-brings-more-bad-news-for-bill-shorten-49769

    #no-sir-ee, caucus shafting the membership never did any damage

    #yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.blib

  44. October 27, 2015 6:47 am

    Oh Nanny, my Nanny

    my abc”””””’12 charged, cocaine and $700,000 seized after multi-million-dollar cigarette-smuggling operation busted in Sydney

    Updated 30 Sep 2015

    Police expect to make more arrests after disrupting a multi-million-dollar cigarette-smuggling operation in Sydney, involving corrupt waterfront officials, officers say.

    Officers from the Polaris Joint Waterfront Taskforce, which comprises the Australian Federal Police (AFP), NSW Police Force, Australian Border Force, and the Australian Crime Commission, charged 12 people following raids on properties in Sydney yesterday morning.

    Police said they expected to charge another person today.

    Those arrested were aged between 21 and 65, and have been charged with a range of offences, including smuggling and dealing with the proceeds of crime.

    Police said the group helped smuggle large quantities of illegal cigarettes and tobacco into Australia, including a shipment of 9 million ‘Manchester’ branded cigarettes from the United Arab Emirates, which arrived at Port Botany this month.

    The cigarettes had a black market value of about $5.4 million.

    It is alleged employees attached to Customs brokerage companies and freight-forwarding firms were paid tens of thousands of dollars to create false declarations and shipping documents to enable the importation.

    AFP Acting Deputy Commissioner Operations Ian McCartney said the shipments of illegal cigarettes and tobacco had been collected by a local syndicate and was bound for the black market in Sydney.

    “The key aspect for us is the tax not being paid to the Commonwealth Government,” he said. Video: Police arrest tobacco smugglers in Sydney (ABC News)

    The syndicate had avoided more than $9.1 million in Customs duties.

    The syndicate was also allegedly involved in the supply of commercial quantities of cocaine.

    About 270 grams of cocaine was seized during the investigation, with a street value of about $184,000.

    Detectives also seized more than $700,000 in cash during the investigation.

    Deputy Commissioner McCartney said the AFP had been working with its partner agencies to restrain $2 million in assets, including personal and business bank accounts as well as houses owned by individuals charged with involvement in the syndicate.

    Polaris Waterfront Task Force Commander Detective Superintendent Nick Bingham said the arrests were part of a long-term investigation into Sydney’s waterfront.

    “This operation has shut down a significant syndicate allegedly involved in facilitating the importation of illicit goods into the country and distributing those goods into the community, as well as trafficking in commercial amounts of prohibited drugs,” Detective Superintendent Bingham said.

    Deputy Commissioner McCartney said police expect to make further arrests.

    “This is a sophisticated syndicate. Obviously with tentacles here plus overseas, so there’s a lot of overseas inquiries ongoing in relation to this matter,” he said.

    Three men are due to face court today on drugs and smuggling charges. The rest of the alleged syndicate will face court next month.””””””’

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-30/thirteen-charged-after-black-market-cigarette-bust-in-sydney/6814976

    #yaaaaay.team.nanny.roxon

    #How much $ does all this policing and prosecuting cost.?

    #Bet this `seizure` is a tip-of-iceberg too.

  45. Tom R permalink
    October 27, 2015 7:55 am

    without specifically drawing the total commercial package to the members covered by the agreement.

    It had nothing to do with the eba yomm. It didn’t affect it in any way. It was a way for the company to have certain costs for training of non-Union (mostly casual) employees covered along with other expenses like advertising in hte Unions mag.

    It wasn’t “secret. It didn’t need to put into the eba because it didn’t affect the eba. It was simply a financial decision from the company that made sense. If the Union is training Union members, might as well get the non-Union members trained at the same time.

    The Union charged for the cost of the service. It’s not like they were making a shitload of money from it. It was to provide a service.

    Yet all we hear is “back room deal”, “dodgy receipts” and similar slurs like yours.

    An $80 million witch hunt that has uncovered no systematic rorting, but exposed not just companies to being antagonistic and bullying to the Unions, but the police also.

    If it was run correctly, this turc would be damning on those two sides of the ledger. But we know they won’t, because it is a witch hunt.

  46. Tom R permalink
    October 27, 2015 8:14 am

    Former ACTU president and cabinet minister Martin Ferguson has warned union influence over the Labor Party is “getting out of control” and the union movement’s control over the selection of ALP candidates is causing Labor MPs to resist changes to the industrial relation system.

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/martin-ferguson-says-union-influence-getting-out-of-control-20151026-gkij30#ixzz3pi6spQJO
    Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook

    If Ferguson is saying that, then it’s easier to believe that @AustralianLabor is heading the right way. #turc

    ALL political parties have an ideology and controlling interest.

    I’ll still stick with the one whose “faceless men” (and women) are rooted in the movement whose primary focus is the protection of Australian workers, as Turc has proven time and time again.

  47. October 27, 2015 8:48 am

    Still clinging to the rc hey team-cheerer. Sure, while the rc has been a witch hunt that only inspects `half` the evidence/story as it ignores the corporo-politico corruption/law-breaking and blind-eye-ing. lt still doesn`t detract that most of the teams problems are `self-inflicted` and had little-to-nothing to do with the teabags, their agents or teabag-media, which you continually chase your tail over.

    Here is some of the self-inflicted damage, 1.knifing kevin07, 2.knifing joolya, 3.albo/blib caucus fcukover of members, 4.single mothers welfare cut 5.nanny roxon baccy tax hikes to ridiculous level, 6.`flexibility` fcukover on jobs, 7.the general me-too teabag-lite routine which cuts across several other topics too like off-shore gulags, 8.joolya claiming she supports gay marriage now, but wouldn`t when she could actually do something about it hasn`t helped.

    #each of those points costs the team votes

    #so, how are those polls

  48. Tom R permalink
    October 27, 2015 9:34 am

    #each of those points costs the team votes

    nanny roxon would only have “cost votes” to fucken imbeciles who spend their time counting coloured carton containers rather than watching what is actually happening in the real world. And ignoring that the libs hit the baccy tax harder than Labor ever did. You also ignore policies such as NBN, NDIC, Carbon Tax and Gonski.

    The polls are bad at the moment, probably going to get a bit worst in the coming weeks too.

    But, one day, talcum will actually have to do something, then we’ll see. It all rests on what he does.

    People are still just glad yabots gone, and all they see is someone who isn’t him. When they start seeing talcum himself, then we’ll know.

    Until then, Labor should just keep on doing what they are doing. Actually leading the policy debate, although you wouldn’t know it from the fawning press. But reality says otherwise.

  49. Tom R permalink
    October 27, 2015 9:39 am
  50. Tom R permalink
    October 27, 2015 9:59 am

    4 thabaggerz

  51. October 27, 2015 10:09 am

    Rest assured my retired wog-mate neighbor doesn`t count the colorful packages (l notice there isn`t as many either, bootleggers probably making military grade too) but did notice the nanny-roxon nanny stateism and price-hikes due to nanny-tax, including the last one a couple of months ago. lt is deeply resented by him (and his mates) that the government won`t leave him alone after working all his life, to enjoy what`s left of his life (which includes his smokes) without his few enjoyments being priced to make life harder. lt is costing the team votes.

    Yes, yes, l know you will follow blib into his valley of death election waving your pom-poms, just as you followed joolya into her valley of death election, but just how many `valley-of-death` elections can the team withstand, before it becomes a decade in the wilderness.?

  52. October 27, 2015 10:15 am

    l suppose merrybong is a rusted-on safe seat blib was parachuted into as well, and voters can`t even look forward to blib being booted out of the seat by the electorate.?

  53. Walrus permalink
    October 27, 2015 10:49 am

    “Loss Making Vanity Pamphlet”

    Yes……………The Left could be expected to attempt to make fun of rape in order to attack a rival.

  54. Tom R permalink
    October 27, 2015 10:56 am

    The Left could be expected to attempt to make fun of rape in order to attack a rival.

    You mean as opposed to manipulatively attempting to use her to push their own political barrow.

    lt is costing the team votes.

    Yes, when you think the actions taken by this grubmint is taking votes off the opposition ………. you really do live in a cardboard box yourself, don’t you.

  55. October 27, 2015 11:18 am

    That`s just plain bullshit team-cheerer, and you know it. The nanny-tax continues to go up at regular intervals, and you now run from the nanny-tax and blame the teabags, your running proves it`s a crap idea.

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 27, 2015 11:21 am

    Tim dunlop tells us why everyone is loving Malcolm right now, we’ve been brutally traumatised.

    The post-traumatic moment in Australian politics
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-26/dunlop-the-post-traumatic-moment-in-australian-politics/6883098

    …There is a simple and much more basic explanation for what is happening: the country is still breathing a huge sigh of relief that Tony Abbott is gone.

    In fact, I think many are severely underestimating just how deep that sigh of relief has needed to be.

    What we are going through is less a honeymoon for Mr Turnbull than the sort of psychic relief that comes from waking up alive in intensive care after a particularly horrific car crash…

    ….The bottom line is this: Malcolm Turnbull is riding the tidal wave of relief that is washing across the country, and at this stage the polls are showing nothing more than the fact that he isn’t Tony Abbott. For things to really improve, we are going to need more fundamental change than that…

    I have to say that I breathed a huge sigh of relief when malcolm emerged the winner, he came in like the eye of a cyclone [my own work, do you like that? 🙂 ]

    Malcolm is the valium we needed.

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 27, 2015 11:25 am

  58. Tom R permalink
    October 27, 2015 11:34 am

    we’ve been brutally traumatised.

    To put it mildy.

    coal export ban ‘would make no difference to emissions’

    I see talcum, but hear yabot.

    Shorten etal is off doing a pit-stop of nations who will be most affected by Climate Change. And talcum is pushing yabots line. We’ll see how long this honeymoon lasts.

    I also note that Labor “will introduce a National Redress Scheme for survivors of institutional sexual abuse. ” Leading from opposition again.

    baggerz, you are going to need some kind of link to support your incoherent blather. ciggie taxes get put up all the time, and they did from a long time before Nicola Roxon did anything, and the libs put them up dramatically just recently.

    Trying to blame all this on Roxon is probably dumber than your ccc escapades. I didn’t thank that was possible, without you being nil.

  59. October 27, 2015 11:45 am

    That`s even more of a worry then if the teabags increased the baccy-tax, my neighbor is fully convinced it`s still part of the nanny-roxon bill/s.

  60. October 27, 2015 11:59 am

    dunlop””””The underlying support for the major parties is weak; globalisation – think the Trans-Pacific Partnership – continues to undermine the ability of parties to formulate policy that reflects the will of the electorate rather than that of an increasingly internationalised business sector and political class”””#agree-well.said

    #l disagree with the `tidal-wave` riding aspect tho, yeah sure most of us are still overdosing on glee with the demise of rabbit, but talkbull has always had reasonable popularity with the public, in comparison to blib anyway, with blib`s numbers in free-fall and still seeking a `bottom` (no reb, not that) at which there will be no `bounce`.

  61. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 27, 2015 12:10 pm

    I have to say that I breathed a huge sigh of relief when malcolm emerged the winner,

    That is all the evidence i need that Malcolm is not to be trusted.

  62. Tom R permalink
    October 27, 2015 12:31 pm

    my neighbor is fully convinced

    Could be cos he’s spent too long talking to a total fruitloop who lives next door to him.

    OR

    Your neighbours a figment of your fevered.

    That is all the evidence i need that Malcolm is not to be trusted.

    Do you live close to baggerz perchance?

  63. Walrus permalink
    October 27, 2015 1:02 pm

    “Still waiting for the Coalition to take real action on climate change. ”

    LOL

    Looks like the Indonesians are taking real notice every single year

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/10/21/asia-pacific/science-health-asia-pacific/carbon-indonesia-fires-exceeds-us-emissions-say-green-groups/#.Vi7bL26PYt8

  64. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 27, 2015 3:41 pm

  65. Walrus permalink
    October 27, 2015 4:10 pm

    “You mean as opposed to manipulatively attempting to use her to push their own political barrow.”

    Link ? or just your usual Lefty opinion created from Zero foundation.

    I still have yet to hear an explanation as to how the woman was able to write a note in perfect English yet she needs an interpreter ??????????????

  66. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 27, 2015 4:45 pm

    This sounds like a better idea to save an industry than subsidies.

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-government-payroll-tax-relief-for-bluescope-steel-helps-save-thousands-of-jobs-20151026-gkid2j.html

    BlueScope Steel’s 4500 workers and thousands of others in the Illawarra won a reprieve after the state government gave the troubled steelmaker $60 million in payroll tax relief.

    The $60 million saving over three years is in addition to the $180 million the company will gain as a result of workers agreeing to pay freezes and the loss of 500 jobs.

  67. October 27, 2015 5:16 pm

    Sounds like talkbull is feeling confident enough over the blib factor he has finkle peddling nukie power. l suppose blib will `me-too` and teabag-lite along with that idea as well.

  68. Tom R permalink
    October 27, 2015 5:20 pm

    Link?

    Well, even Kenny admits it might be because he’s an advocate for the policy

    http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4339385.htm

  69. Walrus permalink
    October 27, 2015 5:41 pm

    “Link?”

    “If my public support for strong border protection measures helped sway Nauru’s decision, so be it’ … – Chris Kenny

    That is not a Link to “manipulation”.

    It’s simply a Link to an account of a woman who cant speak English one minute but who magically has her conversation “interpreted” by Pamela Curr from the Asylum Seeker Resource Centre over a fucking telephone line. And as soon as she is legally challenged as to what was said she goes to water. Perhaps Albyn should have written another note.

    Keep going I’m still her ROFLMAO

  70. Tom R permalink
    October 27, 2015 6:16 pm

    That is not a Link to “manipulation”.

    Well, if you read the story, you would know it was.

    I replied that I could hear her asking him to leave – so go now.

    This is after kenny claimed he was invited in.

    He then makes a big deal about her not reporting to police, but fails to mention that that is only because she was refused a lawyer. Leaving out vital pieces, whilst highlighting others, is pure manipulation.

    But the real story imo is how he got to go there, when nobody else is even considered. Which is why I highlighted the other quote.

    This sounds like a better idea to save an industry than subsidies.

    How is that not a “subsidy”? They are getting preferential tax treatment, at the expense of taxpayers. Call it what you want, but it is effectively a subsidy.

    In the same way that auto manufacturers get tariff protection, that is just another form of subsidy. Here in Australia, we had simply devolved to pure subsidies, which were probably more efficient in the long wrong. Or, would have been had the grubmint not killed them off

  71. Tom R permalink
    October 27, 2015 6:20 pm

    . And as soon as she is legally challenged as to what was said she goes to water.

    How has her story changed?

  72. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 27, 2015 6:26 pm

    This is Cris Kenny’s view of his time on Nauru.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/chris-kenny-the-good-and-bad-of-refugee-life-on-nauru/story-fni6unxq-1227581173481?sv=415523c41fd32c34149e01739780d39c

    On Nauru now, you can be helped in a government office, served in a

    shop or checked by a security guard who is a refugee. Old expectations of refugees being detained in a camp are gone.

    At the local swimming hole – a small harbour patrolled by Nauruan lifeguards – refugees from Myanmar, Afghanistan and Iran swim with islanders and Aussie workers.

  73. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 27, 2015 8:30 pm

    http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/aeu/pages/53/meta_images/original/1185628_621946214517448_567991844_n.jpg?1391047151

  74. October 27, 2015 8:32 pm

    So teabags, how do feel about a pre-xmas election.?

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 27, 2015 8:34 pm

    Tony Abbott going to France with Peta Credlin and Richard Dowdy
    http://www.afr.com/brand/rear-window/tony-abbott-going-to-france-with-peta-credlin-and-richard-dowdy-20151026-gkirce

    …This is going to be pretty hard for some of you to get your heads around, so I guess I better just tell it to you straight:

    So, about that Margaret Thatcher lecture that Tony Abbott is delivering in London on Tuesday night – you know, the privately funded trip which, according to the former PM’s office, he’s being accompanied on with his wife, Margie Abbott?

    If only the travelling party was really so conventional. See, there’s also a villa in France, where, following the big speech, Abbott will be retiring for a period of convalescence with his former chief of staff, Peta Credlin, his C-bombing advancer, Richard Dowdy, (aptly named) and his mysterious press office veteran, Nicole Chant.

    And you thought Credlin joining the then PM (sans wife Margie, but avec daughter Frances Abbott) skiing at Perisher in July was a little unusual!..

  76. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 27, 2015 8:40 pm

    It had nothing to do with the eba yomm. It didn’t affect it in any way. </i?

    Got a link to prove that?

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 27, 2015 8:46 pm

    my neighbor (sic) is fully convinced

    **f**kwits mates

  78. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 27, 2015 10:47 pm

  79. October 28, 2015 2:50 am

    d””””The fact is that the tax take on each cigarette smoked is calculated to be 67 per cent of the cost of purchasing that cigarette. In other words, nearly two-thirds of the cover price of cigarettes sold goes straight into the government’s pocket.

    Who do you think is most addicted to smoking? The government that relies on the revenue perhaps?

    The term nanny state is misleading of itself, but the meaning behind it is the notion of governments thinking that direct government intervention can solve society’s problems – basically (rightly or wrongly) interference in individual lives.””””””

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/where-theres-smoke/story-e6frezz0-1226426102112?nk=1a7af8a27d5c9c36f7cb9a69d3692be5-1445960211

    #team.nanny.roxon

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 28, 2015 3:18 am

    The Guardian
    Free speech champion Biff Bootface in: ‘Mystery on Guano Island’ | First Dog on the Moon

    Tim Blair has a comment on that cartoon

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/they_try_they_fail_they_cry/#commentsmore

    Online leftists – mostly anonymous Twitter types, but also several mainstream media folk – last week attempted to destroy Chris Kenny’s career. Kenny, who isn’t inclined to cop this sort of thing, fought back. Subsequently, leftist site Independent Australia issued this apology: …………………. Now the Guardian‘s cowardly cartoonist has joined in with a masterpiece of dishonesty and slurs. That’s because dishonesty and slurs are all they have. As someone once said, the Left only win when they lie.

    And then they lose.

  81. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 7:15 am

    Got a link to prove that?

    Of course I do. Perhaps you missed it?

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/10/23/rostrum-no-particular-reason-edition/#comment-117773

    But, just for you, I’ll put up even more of the interrogation , just for ‘context’ OK 😉

    Q. Just to be clear, I’m not suggesting the MOU was in
    any way illegal or anything like that.
    A. Thank you.
    Q. You say that the fee of $25,000 was for servicing
    non-members, is that what you say?
    A. That was my understanding, yes.
    Q. I just want to put this to you for your comment.
    There’s nothing about servicing non-members in the
    agreement itself, do you see that?
    A. What, in the actual agreement or the MOU?
    Q. In the – no. In the side – we’re calling it a side
    deal —
    A. Yes.
    Q. — on page 250.
    A. Yes. Look, and I’ll say again, whilst I don’t recall
    sending the letter but I’ll offer you this comment: the
    service was to provide service for all Cleanevent employees
    who are covered by the MOU and the enterprise agreements
    and there was no discrimination against members,
    non-members, casuals, permanents, and the AWU has,
    particularly the Victorian Branch, put enormous resources
    into servicing that workplace, along with delegates.
    That’s basically what actually happened in reality, and
    that’s basically it.

    …………………..

    Q. Could I explore the rationale for this arrangement a
    bit more. You have given some evidence about it this
    morning. Just picking up your last answer, when you
    negotiated the terms of the MOU, you were acting on behalf
    of AWU members, weren’t you?
    A. Yes, and the employees and the enterprise.
    Q. And the employees and the enterprise. All right. In
    seeking to convince Cleanevent to pay $25,000 a year, you
    were looking to get a benefit for the AWU; is that right?
    A. Well, I wouldn’t say a benefit for the AWU because if
    we look at what the AWU would have put in in resources, it
    would far outweigh the $25,000 you might be referring to
    because that would be maybe a portion of what resources we
    were putting in and it’s fees for service, and it’s not
    uncommon. The AWU rules allow for service fee arrangement
    to actually be negotiated and agreed to between parties, so
    the rules do allow for that.

    Of course, following the link I put up earlier would have entailed reading the actual turc transcript, with all it’s associated accusations and agendas. But, in the end, they are all squashed with explanations and, as in this case, public information that any real investigation should/would have known, which I would guess is why so many Union representatives under the witch hunts gaze get very agitated when being seemingly “implicated” for what turn out to be fairly straight forward and open arrangements.

  82. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 7:16 am

    Still embarrassing us on the national stage

  83. October 28, 2015 8:49 am

    Everything seems to be going well for talkbull, the polls are great, eleventy has been disposed of, the rabbit had the good grace to go to the other side of the planet before saying stupid things, and even the alp have given talkbull a lovely xmas-gift, and kept blib in charge.

  84. Walrus permalink
    October 28, 2015 8:58 am

    “Let performance based pay be applied to politicians…………”

    I agree.

    Lets also put whether below average teachers should keep their jobs upto a vote by parents

  85. October 28, 2015 8:59 am

    Jing-le blib, Jing-le blib, Jing-le A-L-P, Oh what fun, it will be, When the Punt-ers have their say, Hey!

  86. Walrus permalink
    October 28, 2015 9:01 am

    “I replied that I could hear her asking him to leave – so go now. ”

    But wait a minute…………she does’nt speak English……………..but she can write a perfect note in English.

    ROFLMAO……………..just who is doing the manipulaing ?

    “…but fails to mention that that is only because she was refused a lawyer. ”

    Really…………link ?

  87. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 9:07 am

    she does’nt speak English……………..but she can write a perfect note in English.

    Perhaps wally hasn’t worked out that writing and speaking are, in fact, two different things.

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 28, 2015 9:11 am

    So now you accept that the statements to the TURC are evidence?

    Great!
    —-
    I’m just finalising my junket, so bon voyage

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 28, 2015 9:14 am

    And one last thing (maybe) . I see a report that union membership in the private sector is now 11%. Yet they still own the ALP

  90. Walrus permalink
    October 28, 2015 9:18 am

    “Still embarrassing us on the national stage…………”

    And he is absolutely right.

    To argue otherwise is totally delusional

  91. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 9:20 am

    perfect note in English.

    Yea, right……………..just who is doing the manipulating ? 😉

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/bc77604c66e80231c11ecc718699462b5f9eeaf3/0_0_953_905/master/953.jpg?w=1920&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=2f80f6c31f55c418c8f4dba7643366e6

  92. October 28, 2015 9:23 am

    boo”””Yet they still own the ALP””’

    #That`s changing, more of the onions will stop backing the team and switch to financing (as adam bandt) other candidates that will actually represent them. l`m predicting the team will lose `about` 8-seats, 3-going to greenz in a pre-xmas election.

  93. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 9:25 am

    So now you accept that the statements to the TURC are evidence?

    Unchallenged. The interrogator did not disagree, unlike the statements about the “sham” invoices, where actual evidence was used to shoot the claims down.

    I also take it that will be the end of your rancid claims about the eba and “side” deal then?

    Yet they still own the ALP

    I’d rather an organization that has 11% of the work force, plus one that benefits the entire workforce, holding a controlling interest in a party over one controlled by 1 American oligarch

  94. Walrus permalink
    October 28, 2015 9:33 am

    “I asked but was not allowed to talk to MY LAWYER”

    Oh……so now she has appointed her own lawyer……………ROFLMAO

    What the f**k does she need a lawyer for in a doctors surgery ?

    She knew why she was there and she decided not to go ahead for physical and mental reasons. That’s her choice.

  95. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 28, 2015 10:11 am

    Ina rare attack of common sense:

    Independent Australia accepts that Mr Kenny acted with integrity and in professional manner.

    I doubt the drooling loons aboard the bash-Kenny bandwagon will be afflicted by such honesty.

  96. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 10:38 am

    Perhaps wally hasn’t worked out that writing and speaking are, in fact, two different things.

    And he’s never known about people writing letters on behalf of others.

  97. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 10:44 am

    Don’t forget the fearmongering.

    If we don’t stop them by force we are all goners!

    Didn’t our military force create the problem?

  98. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 10:57 am

    Bakken oil companies declare bankruptcy:
    http://bismarcktribune.com/bakken/bakken-oil-companies-declare-bankruptcy/article_2d83e3d0-3f4d-5549-b69d-7a2f62fddbd5.html

  99. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 11:00 am

    so now she has appointed her own lawyer

    You were the one claiming it was written in “perfect note in English” You fail to consider, even AFTER seeing it, that perhaps the English aint purrfect?

  100. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 28, 2015 12:29 pm

  101. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 12:39 pm

    From the link AO. The story kenny ‘forgot’ to tell/manipulated.

    OHCHR has been in direct contact with her. Abyan is in a very fragile mental and physical condition and is deeply traumatised by her experiences since the day of the alleged rape. She has refused to give information to the Nauru police about her attacker because she is understandably afraid of reprisals. She does not feel safe, given that her alleged attacker lives on Nauru, which is a very small island State with a population of around 10,000. OHCHR is concerned about reports that the Nauru police have failed to take action against alleged perpetrators of violence against women, particularly when the victims have been asylum seekers and refugees.

    http://hrlc.org.au/ohchr_abyan/

  102. Walrus permalink
    October 28, 2015 12:53 pm

    “OHCHR is concerned about reports that the Nauru police have failed to take action against alleged perpetrators of violence against women”

    Well how the fuck are they supposed to if the “victim” wont give a statement…………..D’uh

  103. Walrus permalink
    October 28, 2015 12:56 pm

    “…………that perhaps the English aint purrfect?”

    It’s good enough. In fact its better than my Italian green grocer. And he he full well understand moi.

    So why does she complain about no interpreter

  104. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 2:02 pm

    if the “victim” wont give a statement

    read the bit about not being able to have a “lawyer” 😉

    So why does she complain about no interpreter

    read the bit about “…………that perhaps the English aint purrfect?”

  105. Tom R permalink
    October 28, 2015 3:37 pm

    PM repels anti-mine push with coal hard facts

    Well, according to the closest things to scientists over at the “Loss Making Vanity Pamphlet” anyway

    The real scientists disagree with the murdoch brainstrust, again

    The Prime Minister was completely and utterly wrong when he argued that “if Australia were to stop all of its coal exports it would not reduce global emissions one iota. In fact, arguably it would increase them because our coal, by and large, is cleaner than the coal in many other countries.”

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/10/28/turnbull-fails-debate-economics-and-science-with-dumb-coal-defence

    But then again, the LMVM hasn’t had a good run with science accuracy in the past. Why should they change now.

    “I don’t understand what happened to the Malcolm Turnbull of 2009 who was willing to stake all on the principle of lowering carbon emissions, on having policies which were sensible on climate change.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/27/shorten-coalition-rightwingers-forcing-australians-to-pledge-loyalty-to-coal

    I do 😉

  106. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 8:21 am

    So, it appears that the grubmints policies are still on the table boys. The fact that the msm have deigned to ignore this just shows that the protection racket is still in full force, it has simply moved to the new leader of the big end of towns mates.

    In the last fortnight’s sitting, the Turnbull Government rammed a bill through the Senate that gutted transparency rules put in place by Labor in 2013. Our laws required the Australian Tax Office to publish information about the income, taxable income and tax paid by companies earning more than $100m. The first report was supposed to be published by the end of the year.

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2015/10/28/tax/turnbulls-backward-step-tax-transparency

    Cayman Islands anyone?

  107. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 8:44 am

    I get the feeling that any review into private health, under this grubmint, will be something along the lines of reducing public health.

    “The reality is that the rising cost of health insurance is hitting all Australians through the swelling cost of the health insurance rebate, now nearing $6 billion a year, its failure to take pressure off public hospitals and the mounting burden on health fund members,” she said.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/private-health-insurance-sector-review-to-ask-public-about-value-for-money-20151028-gkkzil.html#ixzz3ptvMkhue

    I find this difficult to admit, but I may have been wrong. From those numbers, it appears that the private health system is even more of a leaner on tax payers than accountants are.

    And, it puts the millions ‘saved’ from killing the auto industry into perspective. And just how much is that going to cost us down the track (or even already).

    And, speaking of “level playing fields” and “cayman islands”

    A review by Fairfax Media and University of NSW accounting academic Jeff Knapp found that over the past eight years the group’s economic activity in Australia has doubled while its income tax contribution has fallen.

    “The ATO needs to start explaining how this company can double its sales and pay less tax,” says Knapp. “In 2007 it sold 28,000 cars (passenger, commercial vehicles and Skoda) and paid $11.8 million in tax. Last year [2014], it sold 57,000 and paid $9 million in tax.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/vws-tax-payments-need-explanation-20150924-gjuhmh.html#ixzz3ptwVpu6w

    Seems legit, which really is the problems. But, will our “cayman” PM be inclined to do anything about it? Going on my previous post ……………..

  108. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 9:02 am

    And turnbull shows again who is protecting, the big end of town

    The federal government argues any GST increase should be offset by tax cuts elsewhere so there is no net increase in the tax take.

    “It certainly has to be part of a suite of measures. No one’s suggesting doing it in isolation,” Mr Turnbull said.

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/malcolm-turnbull-confirms-gst-increase-flags-nuclear-industry-20151027-gkkapt#ixzz3ptzy6G3W

    What’s the point of a big new tax if you are not increasing the tax take, unless you want to distribute WHERE the tax is coming from.

    And, since the GST hits the lower head of the town disproportionately, it’s not hard to work out who the remainder of the ” suite of measures” will benefit.

  109. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 9:54 am

    Nothing has changed. Still pushing their agenda.

    Helen Rowell, the second most senior official at the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority, admitted at a Senate hearing that APRA officials had briefed the crossbenchers on a bill to change the governance of industry super funds.

    The admission comes just days after Ms Rowell delivered a contentious speech that dismissed as a “fallacy” years of evidence, based on APRA’s own statistics, showing that not-for-profit industry super funds delivered better returns than retail funds run for profit by banks.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-28/apra-briefs-cross-bench-senators-on-superannuation-bill/6893816

    But WHY are they pushing this agenda you might ask?

    For the banks who have long coveted the giant pool of money in default superannuation funds, a recent speech from APRA was manna from heaven. But consumers have reason to be concerned, writes Stephen Long.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-28/long-why-banks-want-a-default-superannuation-free-for-all/6891668

    Yep, so that the big boys can keep making the big bucks. (and then probably siphon the profits of to some tax haven like ….. caymans perhaps?)

  110. Walrus permalink
    October 29, 2015 10:39 am

    “But WHY are they pushing this agenda you might ask?”

    Because employees have the right to choose their own fund and not have one imposed on them by a bunch of Union thugs…………..that’s why.

  111. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 10:49 am

    Because employees have the right to choose their own fund and not have one imposed on them by a bunch of Union thugs

    I actually agree with that, and was surprised that eba’s were still allowed to be drawn up that dictated that a particular fund be used.

    But, we can be sure, that is not where it will end.

  112. Walrus permalink
    October 29, 2015 10:57 am

    “But, we can be sure, that is not where it will end.”

    At some stage employees have to take an interest in their Super. Legislation cannot do it by itself.

    Personal responsibility is required.

  113. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 11:08 am

    Personal responsibility is required.

    Ideally, but, do we live in an ideal world? And, if that is the case, why is there so much talk of the ‘default’ fund?

    But, it is all these things going on around the proposal that is revealing. Purely coincidental of course.

  114. Walrus permalink
    October 29, 2015 11:44 am

    “Ideally, but, do we live in an ideal world?”

    I’ve always found that the World becomes a bit more Ideal as you put more and more effort into making it so.

    But I’m a bit funny like that

  115. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 12:41 pm

    as you put more and more effort into making it so.

    Do you mean for yourself, or for society in general?

  116. Walrus permalink
    October 29, 2015 1:08 pm

    Moi ! 🙂

  117. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2015 1:29 pm

    Moi !

    I get the feeling our new caymans pm would answer in a similar fashion.

  118. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 30, 2015 9:36 am

    An interesting discussion:

    MAAJID NAWAZ: Yeah, see, what I say in my dialogue with Sam in this book is that the Islamists, those who want to impose a version of Islam over society, and the jihadists, those who use force to bring about Islamism, have a plausible reading of scripture. It’s incorrect for we, as Muslims and generally, actually, I’d say, those on the left of centre in this debate, to insist that Islamists and jihadists have nothing to do with Islam. That’s actually an exercise in dishonesty. Of course they have something to do with Islam. I would argue it’s equally incorrect to say that they are Islam per se because of course I’m a Muslim and I’m not ISIS, I’m not an Islamist.

    So, when we’re dealing with the challenge that faces us which I call Islamism, if we get to a situation where the President of the United States of America cannot even bring himself to name this ideology, we cannot even begin to tackle it.

    An honest discussion and nary a bleat about Islamophobia.

    Of course Maajid Nawaz is not respected by the Muslim organisations and spokesmen we usually hear from. They are more interested in pushing the Islamist line and making passive/aggressive claims about Islamophobia.

    Nawaz and Qilliam Foundation offer the prospect of genuine accommodation with Islam. Governments should be engaging with people like this rather than ignorant bigots like the Islamic Council of Victoria and Walid Ali who seems unable to bring himself to say a bad word about the terrorist group (and Muslim Brotherhood subsidiary) Hamas.

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