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A Question for Julia Gillard…

June 4, 2013

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So how’s that whole “Labor has lost its way” thing working out for you..?

When Julia Gillard and her Union cronies unceremoniously knifed sitting Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, Ms Gillard declared that it was because Labor was “a party that had lost its way.”

Fast forward to the eve of the 2013 election and Julia Gillard and her sidekick Wayne Swan are staring down the barrel of electoral oblivion.

Not only have they singlehandedly led the party to this point, but along the journey they have completely destroyed everything that Labor once stood for.

Not so long ago, Labor was a party that stood up for the rights of the marginalised and disenfranchised. It championed the rights of minority groups, from asylum seekers to the LGBT community, to racial minorities and low paid workers.

Today, thanks to Julia Gillard’s iron-fisted leadership, Labor subscribes to the same hate-filled ideology that seeps through the veins of the Coalition dispensing callous parodies of Coalition mantra when it comes to human rights issues (asylum seekers) and equal rights (marriage equality).

And now with all the polls signalling an election loss that will not only see Gillard ousted from office in a landslide rejection of everything she stands for, but quite possibly decimate the Labor party as a political force for the next decade, perhaps Julia and Wayne can quietly reflect on whatever it is they think that they have actually achieved.

One thing’s for sure. Whatever they think they have accomplished will be completely at odds with the views of “the rest of Australia” (with the exception of a few rusted-on Gillard apologist blogs), but then that’s always been Gillard’s leadership style – completely detached from reality.

 

 

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  1. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 4, 2013 8:58 am

    The nutters on those other blogs are now claiming some optimism due to the number of “Undecideds”.

    ROFLMAO

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2013 9:17 am

    The last poll before Rudd was knifed had the ALP in front 52/48. But the ALP had ‘lost its way’

    Gillard has lost 10%.

    Free fall is the new direction.

  3. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 4, 2013 10:25 am

    One poster at another Blog posted this about polls in general……………..

    “The most obvious and logical explanation for poll results like this is that they’re either rigged, falsely reported or worded very misleadingly”

    Then this came from our favourite Question Time Watching Serial Poster ………….

    “Lee. I have a feeling the polls could be spot on. It is the way they are being interpret, that could be fault.”

    Then more comedy from the serial poster…………………

    “………….There appears to be a huge number of undecided out there that have to get off that fence……… It will be interesting to see which way these people jump, when they turn their attention to the parties, and their leaders.
    One might get a surprise………………”

    ROFLMAO

  4. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 4, 2013 10:26 am

    Not only has the ALP lost it’s way, it will not find its way back from the wilderness any time soon.

    The reason is that political power has become an end in itself. The ALP is now the plaything of middle class careerists who progress from university to unions to parliament. The real decision makers are those that control the votes at the ALP national conference – the union bosses. This is emblematic of the problem.

    The question for Labor is whether the union overlords will relinquish power. Sadly, no amount of soul searching after the inevitable electoral massacre in September will convince them to cede power to the party membership. Recent history is proof enough of this – the sacking of Rudd and the intransigent persistence with Gillard in the face of her abysmal performance show a total commitment to union power over common sense. This will not change.

    The same union bosses that kept the corrupt McDonald in power in NSW (realpolitik as Albanese called it) even when the ALP knew he was a problem, the same union power that is an essential pre-requisite for pre-selection of ALP candidates be it Thomson or Feeney or any other of the loyal faceless freebooters, will not be voluntarily surrendered no matter how massive the defeat in September. The union maggots will keep feasting on the flyblown ALP carcass until there is nothing left to salvage.

  5. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 4, 2013 10:33 am

    “The union maggots will keep feasting on the flyblown ALP carcass until there is nothing left to salvage.”

    And the 2016 election campaign advert for the LNP will feature photos of Gillard………….Swan…………….Thomson…………………Combet………………..and Boats…..etc……with a backing soundtrack of Barbra Streisand singing “Memories”

    Sounds familiar ay…………..!

  6. egg permalink
    June 4, 2013 10:36 am

    There is an undercurrent, what’s with the renewables and wind farms?

    http://essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport

  7. June 4, 2013 11:14 am

    “the sacking of Rudd and the intransigent persistence with Gillard in the face of her abysmal performance show a total commitment to union power over common sense. This will not change.”

    So true.

  8. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 4, 2013 11:19 am

    Interesting, Egg. I assume that the majority still oppose the carbon tax. The ‘target’ is more of an airy-fairy thing, something that would be nice if it didn’t cost so much.

    Obviously people are still confused by the alarmists. Still as the scam unravels, the numbers will change.

  9. egg permalink
    June 4, 2013 11:31 am

    I agree splatter, it will require massive debriefing.

    Imbedded in those numbers we see CU’s undecideds….

  10. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 4, 2013 11:56 am

    The next battle will be getting Abbott to stand down his Green Army.

  11. egg permalink
    June 4, 2013 12:18 pm

    😉

    Abbott’s Green Army maybe of some use in wooing those undecideds.

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2013 12:20 pm

    With Noddy “I Will Never Lie” Newman at the helm in Queensland it seems the the LNP has discovered socialism …

    SOLAR households could lose generous top-up payments provided by power retailers for the energy they produce.

    http://www.news.com.au/national-news/queensland/tariff-reforms-set-to-reduce-solar-attraction-for-householders/story-fnii5v6w-1226656504121

    And here I was thinking that I lived in a capitalist market economy … eg I outlay capital to purchase equipment and labour to put up a solar system … the electricity producer (ie state government) contracts with me to purchase MY electricity at 44c a kWh … those WITHOUT a solar system have nothing to sell … but pay the same as I do for power off the government … so Noddy thinks solar system owners should have to pay more ????

    I think wheat farmers should pay more for bread too then … fish in the shops should be more expensive for fishermen …

    What twisted logic to claim that I’m being subsidised by other power users …

    ANYONE can purchase a solar system and with the PROFIT (ie not having to pay elecricity power bills) pay the fkn thing off …

    I am now researching battery banks and going off grid altogether … I really am sick of fkn amateurs playing with our lives …

    This was the same twerp who promised to reduce the cost of living in households to get elected … and people believed him … he reduced it alright – just put fees and charges on hold for a year and then more than doubled everything … an economic moron …

    A 22.6% electricity rise and its the fault of 92,000 homeowners with solar power … GMAFB!

    Shades of things to come if Abbott & The Accolytes sit in the driver’s seat in Septemeber …

    Shudder …

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2013 12:34 pm

    So the undecided voters are all going to flock back to Gillard. That’s funny.

    Meanwhile, here in reality, I commented a couple of weeks ago that Gillard had to attract 6,000 voters each day, until 14 Sept.

    She’s off to a slow start, and with these numbers, Gillard now needs to attract 11,000 people (2pp) to the ALP each day until 14 Sept, and that’s just to remain in a minority government.

    Is there any sense that 11,000 people are swinging towards her today?

    Gillard is a failure, she should go.

  14. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 4, 2013 12:39 pm

    Newman does have problems left by Labor to deal with

    http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=877155

    Queensland will pay more than $2 billion interest on debt next financial year………….’In 2013-14 alone, more than $2 billion will be spent servicing the Government debt we inherited from Labor,’ he said.”

    Sounds like Beattie/Bligh just kept putting everything on the Mastercard. Seems to be the ALP way.

    Also here in NSW, Solar power is subsidized adding to the cost of electricity.

  15. IPA address permalink
    June 4, 2013 12:50 pm

    You don’t hear much from Paul Howes these days.

  16. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 4, 2013 1:13 pm

    He does do an opinion piece for Fairfax or News on Sundays (Sun Herald or Sunday Telegraph in Sydney). But I stopped reading it as my bacon was getting stuck in my throat due to the constant laughter.

  17. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 4, 2013 1:18 pm

    “………so Noddy thinks solar system owners should have to pay more ????”

    You are still using the same Network to deliver it to other users. Just think of it like a Motorway. Sometimes the toll goes up ……………LOL

    And by the way don’t forget you are also using the same Network as a very expensive “on tap at any time backup” to your Solar Power System.

    So if the “Sun Don’t Shine”………………..

  18. egg permalink
    June 4, 2013 1:31 pm

    ‘I really am sick of fkn amateurs playing with our lives …’

    Sorry to be the one to tell you, but you’ve bought a lemon.

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2013 1:34 pm

    Did you actually “read” my post … Wally (I know the DH from Sydney never does)

    Tell me something I don’t know … I sell power to the grid (non solar owners CAN’t) … did I mention going OFF the grid? (I sure did) … cost about $6000 … and should amortise pretty quickly at the rate of rising power costs … I generate more than enough to store …

    Typical government – make the 92,000 “responsible” for the 22.6% cost rise to 1.5 million … it would STILL go up if no-one had solar power …

    Discrimination anyone … Competition & Consumer laws anyone … these Fuckwits™ will be in breach of so many laws its not funny …

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2013 1:39 pm

    And by the way don’t forget you are also using the same Network as a very expensive “on tap at any time backup” to your Solar Power System.</i.

    I think you miss the point … I supply power BACK through this same grid … the increase is supposedly for power and lines …

    Its Queensland … so they keep sticking 'em up in the air and the cyclones and storms keep knocking them down … its not rocket science put the fkn things UNDERGROUND!!

  21. egg permalink
    June 4, 2013 2:00 pm

    A couple of years ago Barry O’Farrell tried this on and was throughly routed.

    ‘WEEKS of campaigning by the solar energy industry and the threat of a backbench revolt have forced the Premier, Barry O’Farrell, to dump plans to cut the tariff paid to participants in the solar bonus scheme.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/energy-smart/ofarrell-abandons-plan-to-cut-solar-tariff-20110607-1fpmz.html#ixzz2VDUMjkW3

  22. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 4, 2013 2:08 pm

    I don’t miss your point. Go to batteries if you feel soooooooo hard done by.

    But why should the Queensland Government provide you with a “Just In Case” back-up running up your street for free ?

    What if a tree fell on your roof and knocked out your panels and you were left without power ?

    I’m sure you would be the first to SCREEEEEEEEEEEEAM your demands to draw down on the backup grid that sits there at anytime you need it.

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2013 2:41 pm

    I have it on good authority that anyone earning over $150,000 will have to automatically pay a FULL/REAL 50% tax from July 1, 2014 … no deductions …

    I’ll watch you SCREEEEEEEEEEEEAM your demands then, Wally … LOL!

    BTW there is a difference between rights and demands … I do have a contract with the government …

    Note: My point was that Noddy Newman’s lot are just a bunch of kids playing in the bank … they don’t understand the legal, economic or enviromental impacts of their stupid kite-flying …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What if a tree fell on your roof and knocked out your panels and you were left without power ?

    What if … how long have you been reading my posts … my family has three houses within three minutes walking distance of each other … and insurance would take care of the rest … 🙄

  24. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 4, 2013 2:57 pm

    I’d like to see gillard step down and make things interesting again, only trouble is I can’t think of anyone to take her place, I don’t like shorten, conroy and co. they are the union powermongers that need to be reined in. The country can’t tolerate another female, they’ve gone batshit crazy over this one. I want charisma and vision and I’m damned if there’s anyone in the entire parliament that fits such a description. Someone with the guts to reform labor could only come from rudd [a challenge he might relish].

    what people say privately can be different to what they say publicly,” she said.

    That’s coalition politics and policies 101, a match made in heaven, phony tony taking the credit and talking out of both sides of his mouth while behind the scenes people are paid to sabatoge boats and bribes are paid to a third world country full of corrupt politicians and police. Never underestimate what abbott will do to achieve his ambitions and place in history [as long as he can keep the backroom brawlers happy and repay the favours the IPA mob].

    The reason is that political power has become an end in itself. The ALP is now the plaything of middle class careerists who progress from university to unions to parliament.

    Plenty of those in the coalition too, it has become the career path for modern political players, uni, union/staffer then given a seat as reward. Not very democratic really is it? The mug voters don’t get a lot of choice in representative – but then, who listens to them anyway?

    The question for Labor is whether the union overlords will relinquish power.

    Not willingly, it’ll have to be forced from them and it will be an ugly blood-letting battle. Watch the real power mongers come out from under [debruyn etc]. I understand the original ties and the history of labor representing workers [the same as I do for the libs representing business interests], it’s always been a class warfare. But, the times have changed and we’ve all been corporatised in a silent takeover of government, the aspirationals/battlers couldn’t give a shit about those who fall into the cracks of capitalism, we’re all slaves to the market and the horizontal violence between oppressed groups is a symptom of market dominance. If labor want to be a party for all people, they have to accept the public in all their decision making processes.

    Both parties need to stop pandering to the lobbyists and unions [both labor and corporate/professional], this is the biggest blight on our supposed democracy.

    Time for another social democratic party perhaps, give this corrupt two party system a shake-up.

    What twisted logic to claim that I’m being subsidised by other power users …

    It’s noddy’s politics, he wants the $ from the increased charges but doesn’t want the fallout from breaking his promises. So tell a lie, blame the people that his big industry mates are ideologically opposed to, keep blaming the old labor govt for everything he’s doing and get them all fighting amongst each other – divide and conquer!
    Besides, Qlders believe any guff he tells ’em, they are ignorant because they’ve historically lacked a decent education, bibles and ignorant bigotry haven’t died out yet!

    I can’t count the numerous times that I ask the question at work “do you identify as Abor or TSI” Only to be told with a very firm, almost defiant, “no, I’m orstraylian thank you”.
    I’m professional thank you, I just mentally shake my head.

  25. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 4, 2013 2:57 pm

    TB, you do get that the whole idea of the state paying ridiculous prices to households for solar electricity was just a nasty little scam designed to transfer wealth to those who invested in solar panels?

    As someone who has to subsidise those who could afford to cash in (including Kristina Keneally) I am not all that disturbed by government action to curtail the rort.

    This is one of the many reasons Labor is so hated in NSW:

    Ms Keneally ordered a solar system for her Sydney home on August 29 despite serious concern among bureaucrats and industry experts that public funds were being drained at an alarming rate by the Solar Bonus Scheme.

    On August 24, after a series of internal warnings that the scheme — one of the world’s most generous — was unsustainable because of its burden on the public purse, NSW Energy Minister Paul Lynch announced a review.

    The review led to Ms Keneally and Mr Lynch announcing on Wednesday that the scheme’s generous provisions would end with the cutting of the bonus for owners of solar systems from 60 cents to 20c per kilowatt hour.

  26. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 4, 2013 3:03 pm

    The country can’t tolerate another female cynical, incompetent, duplicitous union stooge as PM they’ve gone batshit crazy over this one.”

    There, fixed it for you.

  27. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 4, 2013 3:19 pm

    Renewable energy is not cheap.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/barry-ofarrell-caves-in-on-the-470-million-solar-rebate-cut/story-e6freuzi-1226070510114

    BARRY O’Farrell has caved in to public and political pressure and dumped changes to the Solar Bonus Scheme, breaking a promise to save taxpayers $470 million. The Premier will now not slash the solar subsidy from 60c per kilowatt hour to 40c………….But the Premier claimed last night new figures showed the solar bonus scheme would cost $1.44 billion, not the $1.9 billion foreshadowed in the Duffy-Parry report on electricity last year.”

    Everybody has to pay higher electricity prices because of the solar rebate scheme.

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2013 4:11 pm

    TB, you do get that the whole idea of the state paying ridiculous prices to households for solar electricity was just a nasty little scam designed to transfer wealth to those who invested in solar panels?

    No … I installed mine in good faith …

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2013 4:19 pm

    As someone who has to subsidise those who could afford to cash in …

    Solar is affordable to anyone … the returns alone (simply not having to pay bills will do it) will pay off the capital investment … there are many solar installation companies who offer no deposit loan schemes …

    … ask the resident accountant to check the numbers … its really quite a simple investment proposition …

    Just check out this page …

    http://www.google.com.au/#newwindow=1&sclient=psy-ab&q=solar+system+payment+scheme&oq=solar+system+payment+scheme&gs_l=hp.12..33i29i30.34130.37529.1.39331.14.14.0.0.0.2.861.4737.2-10j0j2j1j1.14.0…0.0…1c.1.15.psy-ab.9lVhl67sGgM&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47244034,d.aGc&fp=4c0685a2367d057e&biw=1628&bih=911

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2013 4:25 pm

    ‘I’d like to see gillard step down and make things interesting again, only trouble is I can’t think of anyone to take her place, I don’t like shorten, conroy and co.’

    I’m with you. Swan can f**k off too.

    I still think Rudd could put up a respectable show. But it’s probably too late for him to win, so why would he bother?

  31. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 4, 2013 4:28 pm

    TB, even if it was highly profitable I couldn’t bring myself to do it! This will come as no surprise to you, but I’m the village idiot who turns on all the lights for Earth Hour. I am not going to take the King’s Shilling now.

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2013 4:29 pm

    Good post, KL … about where I stand too …

    I’m professional thank you, I just mentally shake my head.

    Y’know what erks (you just reminded me) forms that ask what city I was born in or what country … even though I’ve just filled in – Nationality: Australian …

    I took umbrage when i read this … (as I should be ing a parochial Queenslander and very proud Aussie) …

    Besides, Qlders believe any guff he tells ‘em, they are ignorant because they’ve historically lacked a decent education, bibles and ignorant bigotry haven’t died out yet!

    BUT!

    I’m inclined to agree with you … non of the adults in my family tolerate fools gladly but there has been a lot of comments about them recently … (politics included)

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2013 4:41 pm

    I am not going to take the King’s Shilling now. </i.

    And I took the plunge to become as independent as possible from govenment control over my lifestyle … FYI the government "encouraged" people to connect to the grid rather than go completely independent … and as a SFR/pensioner I also need to watch my pennies …

    Also FYI I had researched an independent solar power system long before I retired in 2005 but to fund it was around $24,000 with a "life" of seven years on the panels … not a good investment (and with lower reates than now) … however that system is half the investment … with twice the "life" … so it makes good business sense …

    Our power "usage" is about 9kWh per day (and we are home most days) … the state average for homes is about 15kWh per day … today we generated about 12kWh … (it will rise in summer to over 24kWh …

    The Minister for War, Water, Power & Fun … takes her second and third portfolios very seriously …

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2013 4:42 pm

    Nah … Kevin Kustard is a no show … my son reckons he’s still popular, out in the real world … (where I no longer dwell — apparently)

  35. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 4, 2013 5:02 pm

    Philip Adams on Gillard:

    September won’t be so much an election as an exorcism. It wouldn’t help if the Prime Minister guaranteed eternal life. No one’s listening. Remember the last days of John Howard?

    …… But Gillard’s not for moving. Having led Labor to the edge of the abyss at the previous election, she’s now doing a Thelma, with Wayne Swan as Louise, and pressing on the accelerator.

    The MPs in the back seat know they’re doomed but are gutless and fatalistic. Knowing that the post-election caucus could number in the low 20s, they’re preparing escape routes. A lucky few can return to jobs in the right-wing unions. The rest? To oblivion and anonymity. And it wasn’t much fun while it lasted.

    …….. Despite the sense of entitlement that had him conspiring with John Kerr, and his landslide win, Fraser would end his time in office tormented by self-doubt. Which explains much of his ongoing efforts to rehabilitate and reform his reputation. I don’t think Gillard will feel like that. This is not a self-reflective person. She’s still deluded that she can win. It’s not a delusion that anyone shares.

  36. June 4, 2013 5:38 pm

    And when Tony Abbott goes overseas, we’ll have “acting Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce”.

    We’ll be the laughing stock of the developed world… *sigh*

  37. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 4, 2013 5:47 pm

    “Solar is affordable to anyone …”

    Oh Yes………that same old line……..snigger………..unless you are German and living in Germany

    That’s right……………….its so affordable that Germany have commissioned or are having constructed 12 New Coal Fired Power Stations

    LOL

  38. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 4, 2013 5:47 pm

    You won’t need to wait for Abbott to go overseas for that to happen!

  39. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 4, 2013 5:49 pm

    “I’m the village idiot who turns on all the lights for Earth Hour. ”

    So do I.

    Absolutely everything goes on.

    Mrs Walrus reckons the joint looks so blindingly bright its like the final scenes out of Close Encounters of the Third Kind

  40. June 4, 2013 5:50 pm

    LOL @ Walrus…!

    That’s hilarious…..!!! 🙂

  41. June 4, 2013 6:01 pm

    You really do come out with some comedy gems Walrus… 🙂

    It reminds me of the time when we all switched over from those old fashioned light bulbs to those new so-called “energy saving” stark white ones..

    My partner went about swapping them all over in our house.

    When I came home from work and switched on the light in the walk in wardrobe it was like walking into Wembley fkn stadium.

    I thought I was going to die from the radiation.

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2013 6:15 pm

    We’ll be the laughing stock of the developed world… *sigh*

    er … we already are …

    Remember all the headlines in India about Aussies being racist? Well Indians are our biggest group of immigrants @ over 300, 000 … they just beat the Chinese apparaently …

    I see no-one here eally “gets” alternative energy … still …

  43. June 4, 2013 6:17 pm

    Do you honestly think I’m going to watch a Glen Campbell YouseTube clip….??

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2013 6:40 pm

    Hehehe …

    Ach sa sorry, Jummy … fa’e ye …

  45. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 4, 2013 6:42 pm

    “I see no-one here eally “gets” alternative energy … still … ”

    Ya dont need expensive alternatives when you have a shitload of cheap coal

  46. June 4, 2013 7:08 pm

    So even Gillard’s own backbenchers are now openly mocking their dire circumstances on national television.

    Aside from Howard, she’ll go down as Australia’s most obstinate and narcissistic PM ever..

  47. egg permalink
    June 4, 2013 7:14 pm

    ‘Ya dont need expensive alternatives when you have a shitload of cheap coal’

    ….and burning fossil fuels makes things greener.

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    June 4, 2013 7:44 pm

    Ya dont need expensive alternatives when you have a shitload of cheap coal …

    … and burning fossil fuels makes things greener

    I rest my case … 🙄

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2013 7:46 pm

    Chris Uhlmenn is a Catholic, so naturally he likes Abbott and hates Our Julia, he’s persuaded Leith Sales to hate her too.

    What chance does Gillard have when there are so many Gillard hating Catholics in this country? Should they all be allowed to vote?

    Is Catholicism a subversive culture against our Country?

  50. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 4, 2013 7:46 pm

    I see Wayne Swan has been claiming the current low interest rates are due to his economic genius. However low interest rates are bad for older people since they live off their interest in the bank.

    However the budget deficit is not Swans fault apparently. This is due to world economic conditions.

  51. egg permalink
    June 4, 2013 7:59 pm

    Wayne’s exit strategy has been well thought out …. President of the new Republic.

  52. June 4, 2013 8:08 pm

    apparently kevin07 will be the last man standing in qld for the alp

  53. egg permalink
    June 4, 2013 8:17 pm

    Kev will wander into the party room after the massacre and the surviving 20 will elect him Opposition leader by acclimation.

    The Greens are losing support …. time for celebration.

  54. June 4, 2013 8:46 pm

    ” I’m sure you would be the first to SCREEEEEEEEEEEEAM your demands to draw down on the backup grid that sits there at anytime you need it. “
    we want to go solar too walrus, only we are going to ditch the grid, not interested in profiteering, just want to be self-sufficient and no longer gouged

  55. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2013 8:51 pm

    Gillard and Swan shold wander out of the party room.

  56. June 4, 2013 9:11 pm

    hey TB , can you post your inverter and solar-cell details please

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 4, 2013 9:20 pm

    …… But Gillard’s not for moving. Having led Labor to the edge of the abyss at the previous election, she’s now doing a Thelma, with Wayne Swan as Louise, and pressing on the accelerator.

    Yes, they can’t admit they were wrong, an internal coup against a first term PM who was popular just because he didn’t toe the union line and allow them to run the show. They are locked in and will all go down with the ship and then spend their time leaking to the press and shoring up their numbers against any reform/threat. Actually, when you think about it, the whole rudd coup was in reality a battle over the reform of labor [kevin wanting to do things differently, refusing to play by their rules, so they all hated him] and the union powermongers won, it was brutal and ruthless, voters shown that labor leaders must toe the line.

    And when Tony Abbott goes overseas, we’ll have “acting Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce”

    I can see abbott taking his victory lap, a trip around the globe to tell everyone that we are under new management and rules. Isn’t warren truss the leader of the nationals [not that anyone would know due to barnyard’s ‘lookatmelookatme antics – will there be a leadership spill coup in the nats?

    “I’m the village idiot who turns on all the lights for Earth Hour. ”
    So do I.

    Conservative style protesting – from the comfort of your own homes!

    Ya dont need expensive alternatives when you have a shitload of cheap coal

    If only we could send 12 yo kids in to mine the stuff, gina/IPA/Nicholls society would be so happy, talk about productivity – c’mon australia stop holding back progress, we need to become a third world country to compete with them! 😉

    Is Catholicism a subversive culture against our Country?

    It is. It’s a mafia organisation that has infiltrated the political parties and all public service at the highest levels. A criminal and corrupt organisation whose tentacles reach everywhere thanks to its forced taxpayer funding of activities. Why don’t they just be open and honest with the voters and form their own political party, at least then the public can actually have a choice about living under the catholic-rules-of-life.
    They are a subversive culture against freedom from religion.

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2013 9:32 pm

    I suppose Rudd could cause Abbott to be a one term PM.

    12 months of rigorous internal reform, sidelining the hacks, then 12 months of policy review and campaign hard for another 12 months.

  59. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 4, 2013 10:02 pm

    “I suppose Rudd could cause Abbott to be a one term PM.”

    You know you could be right. However it beats me what people see in the ALP. I think it is an expectation of something great. However the greatness never seems to happen.

    Howard should have won in 2007 based on his record. However he got thrown out and furthermore don’t come back until you have learnt your lesson.

    Same when Keating won the unwinnable election. We had 30 months of double digit unemployment and Keating won an election in the middle of that. That is something the Coalition could never do.

    The ALP always leaves a mess to clean up every time they are in power but they are soon back once the mess is cleaned up.

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2013 10:22 pm

    This seems to nail it-

  61. Disgustingly Evil Walrus permalink
    June 4, 2013 10:26 pm

    “Aside from Howard, she’ll go down as Australia’s most obstinate and narcissistic PM ever..”

    Agreed

    Only a totally Self centred self serving and selfish egotist would not resign at this point in history.

    The rank and file ALP owes her nothing but disgust

  62. egg permalink
    June 4, 2013 10:26 pm

    ‘I suppose Rudd could cause Abbott to be a one term PM.’

    Highly unlikely, the monk will do all in his power to remain popular. He has ambition to become one of Australia’s longest serving PMs.

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 4, 2013 10:31 pm

    AO, Catholics are among the most loyal ALP voters, even allowing for the DLP.

    For example-

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/God-at-the-ballot-box-how-your-faith-affects-your-vote/

  64. Disgustingly Evil Walrus permalink
    June 4, 2013 10:32 pm

    That’s very funny ToM

  65. Disgustingly Evil Walrus permalink
    June 4, 2013 10:52 pm

    Joel Fitzgibbon probably cemented his own seat today by showing some personality.

  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 4, 2013 11:18 pm

    AO, Catholics are among the most loyal ALP voters, even allowing for the DLP.

    I think religion should be a private affair, quietly practised at home and in church. I consider politicians who expect to have a conscience vote on public policy to be carrying out a dereliction of their duty, their personal religious belief should be of no concern to other people, they are supposed to represent all community views. I consider politicians who wish to control others through legislation to be religious activists.

    If they don’t give us their religious affiliations and inform us about their voting intentions on controversial issues before an election [so that we can make an informed choice] they shouldn’t be allowed a conscience vote. Since white male christians are over represented in parliament, there is a distortion and a religious bloc to some socially progressive legislation getting passed. The parliament is not representing the people, just themselves.

  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 4, 2013 11:47 pm

    ,i>Do you honestly think I’m going to watch a Glen Campbell YouseTube clip….??

    what about our very own rinehart cowboy?

    https://twitter.com/Pennysdrpped/status/333846642077859840

    or barnyard:

    Like a Rinehart Cowboy...

  68. outlander permalink
    June 4, 2013 11:48 pm

    Bout ready for another spill then.
    Come on Kev you can do it.

  69. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 5:46 am

    I am a genuine conservative. Most of you would call me a lefty. I vote informally and I respect Julia Gillard. She has been under attack from the first moment and yet she is still standing. There was an attempt to render that fortitude as a fault a while back. She is too tough howled some. In other words she is a harridan, a scold, a harpy. Give her a break. She is a very competent politician who has to juggle competing forces to stay in power. And she has. Politics is the art of compromise. She is an able exponent of that art. She has been white-anted constantly from within her own party. She is still there. Abbott has worn himself out trying to tip her out. She is still there. If she were John Howard you would all be genuflecting. What a warrior!!! If she loses she can walk out with that red head held high. I am ashamed of the way this country has treated Julia Gillard. I have sympathy for most politicians actually, having to deal with an electorate which wants more and more but never wants to pay for anything. We are too tough on those people and particularly Julia Gillard.

  70. egg permalink
    June 5, 2013 7:16 am

    ‘….fortitude as a fault …. ‘

    Get off the grass Dianne, the PM is delusional.

  71. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 7:18 am

    Please explain Egg

  72. June 5, 2013 7:55 am

    ” If she were John Howard you would all be genuflecting. What a warrior!!! “

    Not really. Many of us on this blog couldn’t wait to see that back of Howard.

    Many of us were thrilled when Rudd was swept into power in 2007.

    What I don’t like is the way in which the Union hacks with Julia as their puppet unceremoniously knifed Kevin Rudd.

    Gillard’s been an illegitimate leader since day one. The fact that she is going to take Labor to certain oblivion in 3 months time highlights her arrogance.

  73. egg permalink
    June 5, 2013 7:57 am

    Gillard should not have formed a minority government, it was the beginning of her woes and she has singlehandedly rooned my party.

    She is delusional in thinking an open border policy and a tax on a harmless trace gas would bring her victory at the polls.

  74. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 5, 2013 8:05 am

    Not only is Gillard deluded but her supporters are as well.

    Apparently Gillard is this great and wonderful leader.

    “Many of us on this blog couldn’t wait to see that back of Howard
    .”

    Not me. I still cannot work out the hatred people had for Howard. Perhaps one day i will see the light. We threw out a good govt in 2007. A whole generation of Australians had grown up not knowing what 4% unemployment looked like until Howard/Costello came along.

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2013 9:20 am

    Dianne, Gillard lost her credibility when she knifed Rudd. She said the government had ‘lost its way’ over asylum seekers, MRRT and carbon policy.

    On each of the 3 policies she nominated, she’s been a failure. Dishonest too.

    People think Gillard deserves the treatment that she gave Rudd. That seems fair.

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2013 9:45 am

    However low interest rates are bad for older people since they live off their interest in the bank.</i.

    I'm glad you noticed, Kneel, but we older folk don't just have money invested in the bank … and all of them are tumbling … what we are doing in fact is paying off other people's mortgages for them … or buying new TV's …

    I still cannot work out the hatred people had for Howard.

    Just how old are you, Kneel? 🙄

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Diane, I have voted for Labor for over 40 years … not this time … the last straw was shuffling support for unis to fund schoolchildren … it is a “system” of education and training not a piecemeal “industry” … my support dwindled from the day Paul Howes gloated on TV – just before the coup aginst Rudd – stupid … it finally faded watching a once proud party bicker like school children in a playground while the school burnt down …

    What, Julia Gillard, and her supportes have done is irreparable … we’ll be lucky to see a Labor Party exist within the next decade …

    My big issue is that the alternative is absolutely no better … both our houses in Parliament are peopled by self centred nincompoops, non of whom I would allow to drive my car, let alone run a fabulous country like Australia …

    Anyone who wants to be a politician should be forced to undergo as a minimum, a competency based Diploma in Politics … if qualifications are good enough for the rest of us the demonstrate our skill and knowledge to gain employment … why not people employed in the most important jobs in the country …

  77. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 5, 2013 9:49 am

    Some of Dianne’s terminology seems somewhat familiar

    Blog Hopper perhaps ?

  78. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 5, 2013 9:53 am

    “I’m glad you noticed, Kneel, but we older folk don’t just have money invested in the bank

    Telstra shares have been going up in price. They have gone from $2.70 to $4.70 in the last couple of years. Some idiot in the Future Fund sold a lot of them when they were going for $2.70. The govt lost a lot of money.

    However i suspect the rise in Telstra’s share value has very little to do with the improved value of the company. Telstra pays a wonderful dividend. I suspect many older people are buying Telstra shares just for the good dividend. Fully franked you must be getting 8% on your money. Wish i had bought some when they were going for $2.70

  79. IPAddress permalink
    June 5, 2013 9:59 am

    Hello Dianne,

    “She is a very competent politician who has to juggle competing forces to stay in power. And she has. Politics is the art of compromise. She is an able exponent of that art.”

    Yes, Ms Gillard’s retained “power” – at all costs. I prefer to think a government is in office, not in power, and the purpose they are in office is to carry out the will of those who put them there, we the people. They are not there to retain power for power’s sake.

    “I have sympathy for most politicians actually, having to deal with an electorate which wants more and more but never wants to pay for anything. We are too tough on those people and particularly Julia Gillard.”

    It’s so unfair. Why can’t the government have a more pliable electorate, one that complies with the will of the government? 🙄

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2013 9:59 am

    Forgot …

    QUEENSLANDER!

  81. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2013 10:00 am

    “Many of us on this blog couldn’t wait to see that back of Howard.”

    I’m no Gillard supporter, but it has to be acknowledged that in many ways Howard was much worse than Gillard. His role in Children Overboard cannot be forgiven or forgotten. And he was an old-school racist, wanting to add race as a criterion for immigration. Gillard has not sunk that low.

  82. egg permalink
    June 5, 2013 10:04 am

    ‘His role in Children Overboard’

    Yes indeed and Tampa was not a good look either.

  83. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2013 10:04 am

    “In other words she is a harridan, a scold, a harpy.”

    Bracingly robust language but you are definitively on the right track with this.

  84. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 5, 2013 10:05 am

    As Peter Van Onsolen points out in the Oz today one of the ALPs biggest challenges with such a toxic PM is what to do with her in an election campaign ?

    You cant let her visit any seats you think are marginal. They will need to use Rudd to campaign and leave Gillard completely out of it. Send her overseas perhaps ?

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2013 10:08 am

    Just arrived in my inbox (John Clark Bryan Dawes) :

    [Scene: A car yard. BRYAN is perusing the stock. He is approached by JOHN]

    John: Morning! Looking for a new car?

    Bryan: Nope. New Prime Minister, actually.

    John: You’re the third one this morning. Anything in mind?

    Bryan: You know…… nothing fancy, reliable, economical family model. Something to get the country from A to B.

    John: You mean like a Howard?

    Bryan: Yeah…a little Johnny. Nothing flash, does the job. Low maintenance, economical, sensible. Runs for years, no troubles.

    John: So…. you used to have one?

    Bryan: Yeah. About 10 years. Great little model – don’t know why I got rid of him — biggest mistake I’ve ever made.

    John: What happened?

    Bryan: Traded him in for a Kevin 07.

    John: Big mistake.

    Bryan: Lot of people bought it. Good political mileage.

    John: How was the Kevin 07?

    Bryan: Came with a $900 factory rebate – that was good.

    John: Anything else?

    Bryan: Not much. Sounded nice but nothing under the bonnet. It was a lemon.

    John: Didn’t stick around for long did it?

    Bryan: Nah – had a factory recall. Shipped overseas and was never seen again.

    John: What was the problem?

    Bryan: Lots. But the final straw was the navigation system. Plug it in and it automatically loses its own way.

    John: Whatcha got now?

    Bryan: It’s a Gillard-Brown.

    John: The hybrid?

    Bryan: Yeah. The Eco-drive system – not a good idea. An engine that can’t deliver hooked up to a transmission stuck in permanent reverse.

    John: Green paintwork with a red interior. And steering that always lurches to the left for no apparent reason – that’s the one?

    Bryan: The Fustercluck model.

    John: The only one they made, Bryan . Not the vehicle of choice for the road to recovery – but did they finish up fixing the navigation system?

    Bryan: Made it worse. Turn it on and it does a press release, heads off in all directions and goes nowhere.

    John: So that’s why you’re here?

    Bryan: That’s right. I’m stuck with a car that’s wasteful, expensive, ineffective and past its use by date. I don’t suppose you’ve heard of the “Cash for Clunkers” scheme?

    John: Join the queue brother.

    I had the pleasure of meeting John Clark, at Channel Nine, in Brisbane one night … I was just having a sandwich before editing a OH&S film I was making … very funny man …

  86. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2013 10:44 am

    TB that skit started life as a take-off of Clarke and Dawes in a comment at Jo Nova’s blog. It is indeed better than the real thing.

  87. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 5, 2013 11:37 am

    I was once playing golf at Cowes on Phillip Island and heard that very distinctive John Clarke voice from a neighbouring fairway. The raucus laughter confirmed it was him.

    I have changed my position on the Labor leadership. For years I have advocated switching to a steady hand like Crean. Since before Rudd was knifed I’ve been saying it. Fck ’em. If that group of so called representatives have so little courage that they couldn’t fix what has been such an obvious problem for so long, they deserve the electoral oblivion awaiting them. It’s not like they haven’t been told. They have. By their own commissioned reviews. But their heads are jammed so far up their collective arses they can’t even hear themselves. Fck me they’re still trotting out fkn Craig Emerson!!

    Abbott may be a poor PM, he may be a good one. It’s beside the point. Hopefully the result of an electoral wipeout will be a rebirth of centre left politics which may not share my own economic outlook but can at least govern this nation with a degree of grace and wisdom. And this country can go back to watching sport to satisfy its thirst for blood and Monty Python for a giggle.

    The ALP is a golf ball and the electorate a golfer on the first tee. The next hundred days the golfer will be adjusting the tee, adjusting his/her pants, wiggling his/her bum, getting his/her feet positioned just right, selecting the Callaway Big Bertha, licking his/her finger and testing the wind strength and direction, rechecking all of the aforesaid, then lining up for one almighty drive on September 14. And I don’t think they’ll miss. And the ALP, and their Union heavies, corrupt officials, and enablers on certain blogs will well and truly fcking deserve it. And for a while they’ll blame Murdoch, the right wing ABC, and an “ignorant” electorate, but eventually, hopefully, someone with half a testicle might venture the bold opinion….”maybe it’s us?”

    One can only hope.

  88. egg permalink
    June 5, 2013 11:43 am

    O/T

    The good news story of the day… Sydney airport says we don’t need a second airport, with some restructuring around Mascot they can accommodate aircraft up to 2033.

    This will solve Barry O’Farrell’s problem and the electorate will be pleased, it also offers tantalising opportunities for infrastructure spending elsewhere.

    The Japanese are working on a state of the art Maglev, but that’s another story.

  89. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2013 11:46 am

    “Diane, I have voted for Labor for over 40 years … not this time … “ FMD!

  90. egg permalink
    June 5, 2013 12:01 pm

    “Diane, I have voted for Labor for over 40 years … not this time … “

    The cafe crowd will take this badly.

  91. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2013 12:17 pm

    “One can only hope.”

    James here is a piece on ALP structural problems:

    At the December 2011 ALP National Conference, if the question had been asked, and an honest answer given: “Hands up all of you who are here because you work for the Party, work in the offices of affiliated trade unions, or as staffers for MPs, Senators and Ministers”, more than 80 per cent of the hands would have gone up. Of course, there was never any possibility that the question would be asked.

    Delegates to conferences are not shop assistants, builders’ labourers or sheet metal workers, but officials of the appropriate unions, often with degrees, not part of the workforce that they ostensibly work for, looking eagerly for the possibility of political advancement.

    The development of national factions constitutes, in effect, the privatisation of the party, with factional warlords engaged in carving up the assets, rewarding factional loyalty and promoting an almost feudal code of allegiance. Factions are essentially executive placement agencies. …………..

    I’m not holding my breath. The people who currently own the party won’t divest themselves of their power – and voters can lump it.

    .

    The problems won’t go away because those in power will not give it up. If they had that much common sense, Gillard would not now be PM. In fact they are still, as the last few days have shown, parachuting faction parasites into safe seats.

  92. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 5, 2013 12:24 pm

    Just been talking to my Labor friend at work. he was trying to tell me Costello should not have given tax cuts. Should have spent the money on education or something like that. I asked him why he did not condemn the Swan tax cuts. Said he did not know about them. So I pointed this out to him.

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2013-14/content/overview/html/overview_41.htm

    The Government has delivered $47 billion of tax cuts in our first four years since coming to office. In addition, we have provided further tax cuts as assistance for the cost of living impact of the carbon price from 2012‑13. Even after accounting for the small increase in the Medicare levy in 2014‑15 we will be delivering total tax cuts of around $20 billion a year over the next four years compared to the 2007‑08 tax scales.”

    See that is why i am so anti-Labor. labor supporters will condemn Costello tax cuts but don’t even know Wayne Swan has also been cutting income tax.

  93. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2013 12:26 pm

    Egg, I am seriously impressed with TB. Kicking a 40 year habit is no small thing. I have rellies who are still loyal to the Party even now. I don’t think they can change because it is so much part of their life and identity. My cousin feels it would dishonour her late father, a coal miner all his life. She wants change from within, but as an mere branch member she has no real say.

  94. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2013 12:29 pm

    ABC news:

    One of Kevin Rudd’s key supporters has likened the Labor Party’s electoral woes to the final moments of the Titanic.

    The MP has denied there is any chance of a comeback by the former prime minister, and has attributed recent criticism of Julia Gillard to general “crankiness” within the party.

    “It’s like the Titanic – we’re in the final scenes,” the backbencher told ABC News Online.

    “Third class has realised the doors are locked and they’re not getting out.

    “And first class are running around looking for a dress to put on.”

  95. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 5, 2013 12:46 pm

    DOW JONES
    05/06/2013 11:38AM AEST

    SYDNEY–Australia’s resource-rich economy expanded in the first quarter as years of heavy investment in the country’s mining and gas industries translates into an export surge as production ramps up.

    Government figures Wednesday showed gross domestic product grew by 0.6% in the first quarter from the preceding three months, and 2.5% from a year earlier. The increase extends 21 years of uninterrupted annual growth for the country, a large exporter of raw materials to China and other parts of industrializing Asia.

    Economists were expecting a 0.7% on-quarter rise and a 2.7% on-year increase. The government’s statistic bureau held its fourth-quarter growth figure at 0.6%.
    The world’s 12th-largest economy faces the difficult task of transitioning away from an intensive mining-investment boom that has powered growth for the past decade, but is easing off as building work approaches completion.

    Still, the nation is expected to benefit from increasing coal and iron-ore exports as years of strong investment yield higher production rates.

    Copyright (c) 2013 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.

    *******************************************************************
    So despite every hinderence Gillard and Swan and their Union buddies have thrown at it the mining/resource industry is still getting us out of trouble. The years of massive investment are now gradually starting to fade and the income/payoff years are now increasingly upon us..

    With Rio, BHP Billiton, Alumina and Woodside holding pretty much only Tier 1 assets on the very lowest points of the cost curve shareholders and the taxman will finally start to see some benefits

  96. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 5, 2013 12:53 pm

    The only problem with the ALP being likened to the Titanic is that the captain will survive the sinking, she’ll say it was because the previous captain allowed the leaking to occur, possibly front an internal enquiry into why it happened, then resign on a nice big fat lifetime pension.

  97. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 12:55 pm

    Thanks everyone who responded to my comment. All prevailing views. What I can’t understand is that Gillard is treated so much more harshly than other leaders. For example she is not the first leader to topple a leader. keating took on Hawke, Rudd ousted Beazley, Abbott won by one vote over Turnbull. The party could not work with Rudd. I don’t agree with lots of things: asylum seeker policy, removal of funds from universities being two. BUT I repeat the non stop vitriol dished out to Gillard is vile and belittling to all of us. And Neil I agree I do not support tax cuts by either party. I also believe the Howard years were wasted domestically. I think we live in a time of great upheaval and fragmentation. I think a lot of things are out of control of any government. I just wish we could have a proper discussion about difficult areas like asylum seeker policy without all the dog whistling. I would appreciate too if some politician were brave enough to outline the difficulties the Australian economy is about to face when the mining boom shudders to a complete stop. We don’t get that in part because we behave like two year olds expecting one person The Leader to save us.

  98. June 5, 2013 1:09 pm

    I just had a very interesting meeting with a former ABC journalist who now runs his own public relations firm. The conversation veered onto the Federal election, and unsurprisingly he was adamant that the Gillard government is already gone.

    There is no way they can recover from where they are now (as our own ToM has been saying for the past couple of weeks), however what I did find interesting was his analysis about the scale of the defeat. As the numbers currently stand he believes that this will be the worst election defeat in 85 years.

  99. June 5, 2013 1:19 pm

    “For example she is not the first leader to topple a leader.”

    True, but the difference is that Rudd was popular.

    Also, Gillard couldn’t even give the public a rationale explanation as to why Rudd had to go.

    All she said was that Labor had “lost its way.”

    Do you think that under Gillard Labor found its way…?

  100. egg permalink
    June 5, 2013 1:19 pm

    ‘For example she is not the first leader to topple a leader’

    True, that’s why it didn’t concern me at the time, but in hindsight it was a huge mistake. Going to bed with the Greens has been a disaster for Labor, from which they may never recover.

  101. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 5, 2013 1:27 pm

    “What I can’t understand is that Gillard is treated so much more harshly than other leaders. For example she is not the first leader to topple a leader. keating took on Hawke, Rudd ousted Beazley, Abbott won by one vote over Turnbull.”

    Short answer…………………….

    Rudd and Abbott were in Opposition.The “public” have no feeling of “ownership” over Leaders of the Opp. They only feel “ownership” towards a PM.

    As far as Keating toppling Hawke and “getting away with it” but not Gillard that answer is easy.

    Gillard is NO Paul Keating

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2013 1:28 pm

    Keating challenged Hawke, and won. Hawke had been PM for about 8 or 9 years, he was getting tired, he’d won 3 elections. Hawke had made an agreement with Keating to retire, and he broke it.

    Dianne, the Keating challenge looks nothing like Gillard’s knifing.

    Rudd didn’t even get a chance to recontest the election, even though he had the ALP in front 52/48.

    People continued to like Rudd, and now they dislike Gillard and the union hacks who installed her.

    Overlaying this are all the examples of her proven dishonesty.

  103. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 1:30 pm

    I think they will recover Egg and you are probably right about the Greens. It is not going to be easy driving for any government in coming years. I am sure the A L P will pick themselves up. People need an alternative. It is not as if they are in love with the Libs. Wait until the hidden right wing agenda kicks in. And Reb it can’t be the 1928 election the PR man was referring to. The incumbent Bruce won that. Nine seats changed hands. Don’t know more. scullin won next election for labor and several after that.

  104. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 1:34 pm

    Honestly Rudd was a nightmare to work with it seems. Why blame the poor woman. She wasn’t the only one in the party to want a change. Why are people so obsessed with Rudd? I can’t understand it. I learnt my lesson when I voted for Latham.

  105. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 1:38 pm

    T of M – dishonesty in a politicians. Who would have thunk it. Again why should she struggle under a placard emblazoned with LIAR without the same discourtesy being extended to Abbott. Fairness does not abound in this country. Now I am going outside to hang out the washing.

  106. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 5, 2013 1:40 pm

    Dianne I think you’ll find that 1931 was not a great triumph for the ALP. So OK…………………82 years not 85 as reb said

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_federal_election,_1931

  107. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 1:46 pm

    Depression. Never a help. Thanks Evil WLrus. Don’t I love the names. I saw a blog written by a person called Noodle the other day!

  108. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 5, 2013 1:54 pm

    “I saw a blog written by a person called Noodle the other day!”

    Perhaps you should introduce our Egg to Noodle………………..LOL

  109. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 1:57 pm

    Lol as well evil one

  110. June 5, 2013 2:00 pm

    I know a Noodle. I wonder if it’s the same one……?

  111. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 2:06 pm

    Fair chance Reb.

  112. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 2:19 pm

    Btw who are you formerly rusted on ALP voters going to tick the box for? Are you going to join me in voting for Ms Informal. Eek. Surely not Abbott!!! If you are would you be brave enough to explain yourself?

  113. June 5, 2013 2:33 pm

    ” you formerly rusted on ALP voters ”
    careful Dianne, browse back thru the blog, you may discover some un-rusting going on

  114. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 2:40 pm

    I will approach carefully. Thanks for warning.

  115. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2013 2:43 pm

    “What I can’t understand is that Gillard is treated so much more harshly than other leaders.”

    Let me help you there – she isn’t. To one prominent journalist Howard was an ‘unflushable turd’. Tell me where Gillard has been called anything like that in the national press? And to one of his own backbench Howard was a ‘lying rodent’. To the leader of the opposition he was an ‘arselicker’. The worst Abbott has done to Gillard is to look at his watch!

    Howard was frequently referred to as ‘George Bush’s Bitch’. Imagine the hypocritical squealing if even one looney protester dared call Gillard ‘Bob Brown’s Bitch’. And here is a tribute album the music industry types made for Howard. D’ya think they will make one for Gillard, or use that kind of language to describe her? I haven’t heard anyone sing ‘Julia Gillard is a Filthy Slut’ much less make a recording of it. Have you? Didn’t think so.

    Do you think the Age will print a column starting ‘Ding Dong the Witch is Dead’ when Gillard is finally turfed from office? Neither do I. And surely you remember Jonathon Green, now of the ABC, hosting a party at which a John Howard Piñata was smashed by his guests. The femonazis didn’t have much to say then, funnily enough but I’m betting they will come for me when I have my Gillard Piñata party, eh?

    And then we have the incomparable Keating on Howard:

    • “What we have got is a dead carcass, swinging in the breeze, but nobody will cut it down to replace him.”
    • “…the brain-damaged Leader of the Opposition…”
    • “But I will never get to the stage of wanting to lead the nation standing in front of the mirror each morning clipping the eyebrows here and clipping the eyebrows there with Janette and the kids: It’s like ‘Spot the eyebrows’.”
    • “I am not like the Leader of the Opposition. I did not slither out of the Cabinet room like a mangy maggot…”

    Howard deserved all of that and more. Politics is a contact sport. People are passionate about it. The fact is that Gillard has been let off relatively lightly considering what a rotten PM she has been.

  116. June 5, 2013 3:01 pm

    splatter , the one thing Joolya has got , that John-W didn`t , (or other pm`s as far as l can tell is), the full 3-years campaign against her, the embedded media have run a continuous Anti-Joolya campaign since Joolya and her muppets knifed kevin07

  117. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:09 pm

    It started before Howard was PM:

    In 1991, Derek Parker argued in The Courtesans: The Press Gallery in the Hawke Era: “No other figure has drawn as much acrimony from the Press Gallery as John Howard during his period as leader of the Liberal Party.” He detailed how most political journalists set out to destroy Howard’s Opposition leadership from 1985 to 1989 in a savage and sustained manner. Howard, in demeanour, attitude and background, was definitely not “one of us”; which is to say not one of them. “The members of the Gallery,” he argued, “simply knew that they disliked Howard, his agenda and his party, without ever really understanding why.” Per­haps, Parker argued, such attitudes had a lot to do with his sub­urban conservatism which clashed with the Gallery’s more left-leaning liberalism. In any case, Howard has long drawn acri­mony at a personal and philosophical level from the Canberra press gallery.

    During his nearly twelve years in power, that widespread enmity among the progressive classes prevailed. Perhaps nowhere was this hostility more evident than in the many anti-Howard screeds that were published during this period. From Clive Hamilton and Sarah Maddison’s (edited) Silencing Dissent: How the Australian Government is Controlling Public Opinion and Stifling Debate and Robert Manne’s The Barren Years: John Howard and Australian Political Culture and Margo Kingson’s Not Happy, John to Marion Maddox’s God Under Howard, Mungo MacCal­lum’s Run, Johnny, Run and the endless array of Quarterly Essays, the message was the same. In the words of Hamilton and Mad­dison, the Howard government, in cahoots with a “right-wing syndicate” of media commentators, “systematically targeted independent, critical and dissenting voices” in order “to ensure that its values are the only values heard in public debate”.

  118. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:10 pm

    You know do you think it is just possible that Gillard is incompetent?? We went from 6 asylum seekers in detention to 6,000. We went from there will be no carbon tax to having a tax. After 6 years where is the NBN?? How long do we have to wait?? We got a mining tax that raises no tax but does scare off business most probably reducing tax income.

    We are now getting 30,000 boat people/year meaning no refugees from camps can get in.

    Mate i know they say love is blind but ALP supporters take the cake.

  119. IPAddress permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:11 pm

    Hello again Dianne, I hope it’s a good drying day where you are. 😉

    “And Neil I agree I do not support tax cuts by either party.”

    You’ll forgive me if I don’t join in the leftoid chorus calling for even more money to be given to a wasteful government. Any dollar kept from the grubby hands of government – to piss up against the wall on some “program” or other someone dreamt up overnight – is a dollar well spent.

  120. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:13 pm

    True Howard was treated pretty fiercely by many and yet that was balanced by near adulation. Why? He was lucky enough to govern at a time of unprecedented prosperity. Money just sat in piles until he bundled it up and gave it away. My lord how he gave it away! Howard was a lucky man as well as a brilliant politician. I don’t think he deserved any of the puerile remarks about his eyebrows etc. I do think and still think he should be called to account over Iraq. Anything Julia Gillard has done and I rate her government’s treatment of refugees very low, pales beside Howard frog marching this country off to a brutal foreign war. And yet that is mostly forgotten. Maybe it is because I am female but I see all that contact sport stuff as extremely boring. At least Keating made you forget your principles because he was so funny. Most of today’s mob are not captivating or witty speakers. Gillard can be very amusing and so can Turnbull. I always think that is a sign of intelligence.

  121. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:19 pm

    iPA – no it is not a good drying day. I will have to get the clothes horse out. Us lefties don’t like to use the clothes dryer. On the subject of small govt. how is it that your mob like big govt when it comes to foreign escapades like Iraq and bulging defense budgets.

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:21 pm

    Egg, I am seriously impressed with TB

    Most people are when they “really” get to know me, sb … 😉 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why are people so obsessed with Rudd?

    Diane, because he actually DID bring the ALP out of the wilderness and he actually DID challenge the union hold over the Party … the electorate oare not dumb (maybe not well educated in some places) but they “know” that the unions took control of the Government … if the Australian Indusry Group or the Chamber of Commerce did the same with one of their candidates I’d be very angry!

    The ALP has also become Liberal Lite … controlled by union leaders, business leaders, church leaders … no longer a voice of the workers, small business owners and tradies …

    … too many lawyers, silver spoons and shiny arses (on both sides) … not only do most people feel abandoned, they feel betrayed …

    In this country we don’t go in for street marches and protest much (its serious business if we do) … so we clobber them at the elections … blind Freddy can see that the ALP deserves a clobbering … Abbott will get the next I reckon … if he actually survives a full term himself …

  123. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:26 pm

    Neil in Sydney – I have no ‘love’ for labor party but you should be grateful to those who do unless you are advocating a one party state. Now that would be something to look forward to.

  124. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:30 pm

    Gillard has not shown any signs of intelligence whatsoever – quite the opposite: ‘hyperbowl’, ‘high dungeon’, ‘tenants’ of belief, ‘talibands’. On what line Thomson actually crossed: ”I don’t think this is a chemical formula about one molecule plus another molecule gives you an answer.”

  125. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:31 pm

    Agree TB although I think Howard’s time was up. Rudd was the beneficiary. As for the unions, the Libs have their own corporate controllers. It is just the way it is. If Abbott wins he is going to be beholden to powerful people. Will he last? Who knows. Interesting to see how they get rid of him.

  126. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:32 pm

    “The ALP has also become Liberal Lite

    No they have not. They are just incompetent. In Opposition it looked like Howard/Costello had it easy. It never crossed the stupid minds of the ALP that just maybe Howard/Costello knew what they were doing.

    You know maybe money was rolling in because of good govt. How much of a productivity increase did we get with reform at the waterfront?? And this is what it took to get the budget back into surplus.

  127. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:32 pm

    Dianne: “I am a genuine conservative.” ….. “Us lefties don’t like to use the clothes dryer.”

  128. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:33 pm

    Harsh words Splatter. Won’t go on in case I make a spelling mistake.

  129. IPAddress permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:34 pm

    “your mob”

    Guffaw.

  130. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:35 pm

    See here for what an intelligent lefty thinks of Gillard.

  131. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:35 pm

    Ping. I was acknowledging that many of you would consider me to be a lefty. In my opinion I am a genuine conservative.

  132. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:37 pm

    “Harsh words Splatter. “

    I don’t like Gillard any more than I liked Howard. The only politician in recent memory that I have real respect for was the genuinely intelligent Lindsay Tanner.

  133. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:39 pm

    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck…….

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:42 pm

    Politics is a contact sport

    And it shouldn’t be … the nation deserves better …

    One thing this ALP government HAS achieved in recent months is transparency … even the backbenchers are spilling the beans …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Meanwhile in the LNP … Joh will be turning in his grave (I hope) …

    THE son of long-serving premier Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen has quit the LNP in disgust at the Newman Government’s treatment of regional Queensland …

    LNP state director Brad Henderson said Mr Bjelke-Petersen’s resignation would do the party no harm.

    “Not at all,” said Mr Henderson before the State Budget lunch at the Brisbane Convention Centre.

    “He’s taken his decision and that’s his prerogative.

    “We’re focussed on changing the government in Canberra and we’re focussed on rebuilding the economy, we’re focussing on fixing the neglect and destruction that the Gillard Government has caused in regional Queensland.”

    Mmmm … “focussed on changing the government in Camberra” … what about running my fkn state!

  135. June 5, 2013 3:42 pm

    Wise words from Philip Adams SB…

    “September won’t be so much an election as an exorcism. It wouldn’t help if the Prime Minister guaranteed eternal life. No one’s listening…””

    chuckle… 🙂

  136. June 5, 2013 3:43 pm

    Dianne the right/left/conservative thing doesn`t really exist at this point in time.

  137. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:44 pm

    No they have not.

    I bet you still stamp your feet, Kneel 😆

    YES THEY HAVE! 😈

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:47 pm

    I have real respect for was the genuinely intelligent Lindsay Tanner.

    Hear! Hear!

    Even Turnbull looked stupid last night trying to “blame” Shorten for the Telstra asbestos legacy …

  139. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:47 pm

    There you go splatter. In your eyes I am a lefty. I said as much. Signing off now to play with a four year old and a soon to be three year old who have never heard of Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott.

  140. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:48 pm

    No TB

    The ALP is nothing like the Coalition. I don’t see the Coalition being dominated by Unions. You are just trying to make yourself feel better by saying a load of crap.

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:49 pm

    Dianne the right/left/conservative thing doesn`t really exist at this point in time.

    oo7, that’s exactly right … just one big mess … the rusted on rights (we have a regular here thinks Howard was a saint) just see their “side” getting in … and that will be a disaster too …

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:53 pm

    The ALP is nothing like the Coalition. I don’t see the Coalition being dominated by Unions. You are just trying to make yourself feel better by saying a load of crap.

    1. I have no need to say a load of crap to feel better … another childish outburst …

    2. The Liberal Party is controlled by business unions and christian unions …

    3. Your problem is the narrow focus you have on life …

    4. A question … how far are your eyes from your nose?

  143. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:53 pm

    Last comment. Agree 7.30 but we all still use labels as shorthand.

  144. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2013 3:58 pm

    “And it shouldn’t be … the nation deserves better …”

    There should at least be an exemption for the truly funny sledge -I’m not prepared to sell Keating down the river of good manners.

  145. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 5, 2013 4:00 pm

    I wonder if Dianne has ever visited Darling Harbour……

  146. June 5, 2013 4:05 pm

    Dianne, my neighbors, friends, family who consider themselves `conservative` (to various degrees) most of them reckon Abbott`s lot are teaparty-looney and the Libz were taken there by Howard, and the alp followed em.
    .
    what is blasted at the public by the embedded media is the teaparty-looney stuff, (which has alienated both parties by the way) and leaves me pretty skeptical about Mr-Rabbits `un-loseable` election. l`ve heard that before.

  147. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 5, 2013 4:10 pm

    Doogie Cameron thinks it’s time for another real Julia:

    “outspoken Senator Doug Cameron became the latest government figure to offer advice to the prime minister, saying it was time to dump the spin merchants feeding her prepared lines.

    “She’s a talented, effective politician, she’s just got to be herself,” Senator Cameron said.”

    I don’t know how many ‘Real Julias’ I can take. I’ve lost count of them so one more won’t make any difference. Put them all together and you’d have a plague of zombies lunging through the land.

  148. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 5, 2013 4:11 pm

    The great Unhingeing continues.

    Check out Senator Mark Bishop in an estimates hearing today.

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/the-pulse-live/politics-live-5-june-2013-20130605-2np2i.html

  149. June 5, 2013 4:18 pm

    “I wonder if Dianne has ever visited Darling Harbour……”

    Whatever happened to Pip?

  150. June 5, 2013 4:25 pm

    Doogie is correct splatter.
    All the pollies would be better off dumping their spin-doctors and actually representing something, instead of just the slogan chanting.

  151. IPAddress permalink
    June 5, 2013 4:46 pm

    Of course Doug Cameron is right, but why can’t these morons our political class work that out for themselves?

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2013 4:54 pm

    Its certainly a “class”, PIA , but not exactly the way you’ve presented it …

  153. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2013 4:57 pm

    The ‘real Julia’ could become Mother Theresa, it wouldn’t make any difference. No one listens, no one believes her. No one cares about her legacy.

    The electorate is weary of her crap, they are so desperate to give her the arse, that they’re willing to vote for Abbott.

  154. egg permalink
    June 5, 2013 4:57 pm

    Politicians should drop the spin, the electorate can see through it.

  155. June 5, 2013 5:06 pm

    “I still cannot work out the hatred people had for Howard.”

    What do you mean HAD ? 😯

  156. June 5, 2013 5:07 pm

    Dianne, seems nice.

  157. egg permalink
    June 5, 2013 5:18 pm

    Dianne is impressed by our funny names.

  158. June 5, 2013 5:20 pm

    ” they’re willing to vote for Abbott “
    the public will do this if they can go to the ballot and maintain a belief that Mr-Rabbit has all the answers, even tho he has not told them what they are. There will need to be an en-mass retainment of faith without regret, an abdication of stomach ulcers, and the acceptance that politicians and media never lie. lf this national event can be stage managed in Sep-2013, then there is no doubt Mr-Rabbit will be the next Prime`Meddler. If the majority of the nations voters can`t swallow this, hook, line and sinker, then Mr-Rabbit is doomed.

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2013 5:21 pm

    G’day tj, how’s the hols?

    Dianne does seem noice … but aren’t all the posters pleasant these days?

    They think Abbott will win … Red Wedding anyone? LOL!

    The Minister were joking this afternoon that we are both reluctant to watch Episode 9 and 10 of Season 2 — ’cause then its over – until we get Season 3 … 🙂

    And that’ll be months for us … 😦

  160. June 5, 2013 5:28 pm

    Holidays are going great, TB.

    Just back from Adelaide after JCSS last night & folllowing a week of debauchment (down here) with a mate who I hadn’t seen for a while.

    Speaking of The Red Wedding! That ep aired on Monday. Much anticipated is the understatement of the century so far!
    I had the pleasure of watching it with a non-book reader (my mate, just watches the HBO series) & got to gauge their horror! 😯 PRICELESS!
    It was as shocking as in the book, with the odd twist (which made it even more shocking) & a level of unsurpassed brutality which only the visual medium (when done well) can bring!

    Can’t wait for Season 3 finale next week. I know that they decapitate the man & the beast & sew their respective heads upon their opposite bodies, just to add insult to injury; so that will provide further unrest for the innocent unprepared! *evil laugh…

  161. June 5, 2013 5:30 pm

    Season 3 is available right now, TB.

    Depending upon your ‘boundaries’.

  162. June 5, 2013 5:31 pm

    Meanwhile down at teh cafe, their parallel universe commentary has entered the realms of hysterical nonsensical ranting!!

    It’s hilarious!! LOL…

    Chief gigolo, miraculously cured from his death bed, is also (once again) issuing idle threats of legal action against this blog for some perceived slight that someone might’ve told third-hand because he insists he never visits this place anymore..

    I guess he must be feeling flush since he’s on that six figure salary as Julia Gillard’s personally annointed “social media” consultant …

    Oh how we shat ourselves laughing!!! 🙂

  163. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 5, 2013 5:33 pm

    “What do you mean HAD ?

    I have learn’t from blogs ALP supporters are good haters. There is a difference between ALP supporters and Coalition supporters. Hatred seems to be a characteristic of ALP supporters. I suspect it would not matter who leads the Coalition at least 45% of the population would hate him even if he solved cancer.

    Nope, still do not understand the hatred people have for Howard. I remember he was blamed for the 300 asylum seekers who drowned when SIEVX went down. We had plays written, memorials set up and constant condemnation. We have had more than 1,000 asylum seekers drowned since 2007 and those same people are silent.

  164. June 5, 2013 5:36 pm

    I think those realms of nonsense were entered long ago.

    Don’t make me look, then come back here & jeer from the sidelines. 😉

    Note, their pet scaper fucktard definitely lurks here, as evidenced by its ‘liking’ of some of your (excellent) posts. You must be stoked. 😆

    So, a big FUCK YOU to one of the interwebz biggest self aggrandising, name dropping, semi-literate, acumen-deficient fools.

  165. June 5, 2013 5:37 pm

    Some of us don’t blindly support any of them, Neil. 🙄

  166. June 5, 2013 5:39 pm

    For the fool…

    a·cu·men
    [uh-kyoo-muhn, ak-yuh-] Show IPA

    noun
    keen insight; shrewdness: remarkable acumen in business matters.

    acumen (ˈækjʊˌmɛn, əˈkjuːmən)

    — n

    the ability to judge well; keen discernment; insight

  167. IPAddress permalink
    June 5, 2013 5:40 pm

    “and those same people are silent”

    Yes Neil, it’s almost as if those people were supporting a side, rather than a principle.

  168. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2013 5:41 pm

    I was in your part of the world a couple of days ago TJ. Very pleasant too.

  169. June 5, 2013 5:43 pm

    Just so it’s known…

    I agree with Neil’s criticism of the current government. I always have, regarding asylum footballs.
    However, he displays, better than most, “it’s almost as if those people were supporting a side, rather than a principle”, with regard to his deification of Howard (or, rather, willful blindness) on the same issue.

  170. June 5, 2013 5:49 pm

    Onya, Tom!

    I spent the weekend at our house on the coast, nearby. My mate is an avid surfer, who I used to surf with regularly around the mid & Sth Coasts up Adelaide way.
    Unfortunately, it was pretty drizzly (not really a problem, surfwise) & the swell was down; so we didn’t go out.
    I was able to show him most of the awesome ‘unknown’ spots down here though.

    I wonder what you were up to over here. [rhetorical question- I respect your anonymity…but you’d be more than welcome to the inside info & some good red (yes, I do drink it, on occasion) if I knew you were about]. 🙂

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2013 5:52 pm

    Depending upon your ‘boundaries’.

    Yes, I know (been having fun with your recommendation – Vuze) but we patiently wait for the BD version … people need something to look forward to … 😉

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yes Neil, it’s almost as if those people were supporting a side, rather than a principle

    I agree … as if the numbers make a difference … if you steal a dollar is that less a crime than stealing $1 million? You are still a thief …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    tj, that might be a bit adult/complex for, Kneel, he’ll think you agree with his posts …

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2013 5:54 pm

    … with regard to his deification of Howard …

    Just so you and, Kneel, know where, Kneel, comes from … 🙂

  173. June 5, 2013 6:11 pm

    VUZE does the bluray thing too, TB.

    But, yes, it is definitely something to look forward to. They’ve done a great job translating excellent source material to the screen. Danaerys’ plotline, in particular this season, is very strong. Daario & Selmy etc. You’ll void yourself in recognition.

    It would be very exciting to be a non-book-reading-watcher. As a reader, it is more a sense of anticipation…but the books add many layers of complexity, impossible in a finite TV series.

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    June 5, 2013 6:21 pm

    … but the books add many layers of complexity, impossible in a finite TV series …

    We’ve always known that, tj, but from the opening titles (that add cities very subtley), the script (admittedly a lot from the books), the casting that is just brilliant, the actors delivery … I see what’s in the book and as an amateur video maker the professionalism just blows me away … they have delved into my mind to create what i see as a reader and i suspect yours too … how clever is that?

    I confess to sometimes watching The Minister – knowing (within a reasonable time) what is about to happen …

  175. June 5, 2013 6:38 pm

    “Whatever happened to Pip?”

    Where, oh where, did our Pip go,
    After her tryst with that sly old gigolo?
    When she left he was begging
    For another good pegging,
    All gaping and covered in Jello.

  176. Crazy Ivan permalink
    June 5, 2013 6:39 pm

    “is also (once again) issuing idle threats of legal action against this blog for some perceived slight”

    ‘musing comin’ from ‘im since clearly breached his own blog third party privacy guarantee by publishing the real names of others on this blog. He’d want to be pretty careful with his threats. Noted too a post of his t’other week mention’d he’d just got ‘ome from work. Back at pubic servos as a part time contract maybe and registered for possible future good use

  177. June 5, 2013 7:00 pm

    “‘musing comin’ from ‘im since clearly breached his own blog third party privacy guarantee by publishing the real names of others on this blog”

    Indeed Crazy Ivan. I’ve kept a record of that as well as the other personal insults he’s levelled at me on his own bog.

  178. June 5, 2013 7:08 pm

    Will the real minipiglo please stand up.

    😯

  179. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 7:17 pm

    7.30 I agree with much of what you have written just above. Lot of zealotry out there now. A mild soul like myself can’t relate to it at all. I resent being a consumer in a market economy. I would rather be part of a society which focuses on nation building and the common good. I consider that conservative. I think the materialism which defines everything now is destroying us. People become cogs. I think we are heading in that direction. Abbott’s mentor, B A Santamaria was on the money when he said unshackled capitalism was the greatest threat to the health of society. I think politicians sound like automatons because they are always droning on about bottom lines, deficits and moving forward.

  180. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 7:27 pm

    PS 7.30 I share your view that Tony Abbott is not a shoe in.

  181. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 5, 2013 7:32 pm

    “Yes Neil, it’s almost as if those people were supporting a side, rather than a principle

    Yep you got it in one sentence why i am so anti ALP. ALP supporters have no principle.

    Condemning the Costello tax cuts is another example. They go back more than 6 years trying to blame Costello for the state of the budget but say nothing about the tax cuts that Swan introduced.

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2013-14/content/overview/html/overview_41.htm

    The Government has delivered $47 billion of tax cuts in our first four years since coming to office. In addition, we have provided further tax cuts as assistance for the cost of living impact of the carbon price from 2012‑13. Even after accounting for the small increase in the Medicare levy in 2014‑15 we will be delivering total tax cuts of around $20 billion a year over the next four years compared to the 2007‑08 tax scales.”

  182. June 5, 2013 7:48 pm

    Hmmmm, Neil.

    How about some serious examination of why a majority loathed Howard by 2007 (is it really that fkn long ago!).

    You are just as one sided as those you claim to abhor.

    Wake the fuck up.

  183. June 5, 2013 7:58 pm

    For the record.

    I think the Gillard government is careening towards the kind of electoral disembowelment previously unheralded in this country.

    Unfortunately, that likely means a terrible skewing in the balance of power; which is a bad thing for all citizens who prefer moderation.

    I almost feel sorry for those who can’t see the wood for the damnable trees…then I remember that they are generally arrogant, partisan, myopic & boring. Fuck them.

  184. short black permalink
    June 5, 2013 8:20 pm

    So where’s Michael Taylor to provide an objective viewpoint on the success of the Gillard government when you need him….??

  185. June 5, 2013 8:28 pm

    Dianne, you may like this explainer of Mr-Rabbits `truck-stunt`
    http://pbxmastragics.com/2013/03/20/trucks-transport-and-tony/
    stayed in motels along the way, at taxpayers’ expense.

    There was no freight either. The truck was empty.

    He also apparently spent a lot of the time in the limo following the truck down the highway. As you would, if you were an imposter.

    All this information is from eye witnesses. The media were eye witnesses too, but declined to report the truth.

  186. egg permalink
    June 5, 2013 8:30 pm

    ‘So where’s Michael Taylor to provide an objective viewpoint’

    Not much chance of that.

  187. Dianne permalink
    June 5, 2013 9:13 pm

    Thanks for that 7.30. Not surprised. I don’t know why they think the orange jackets, hard hats and hideous hairnets impress voters. I think people were more impressed when Kevin upstaged Howard with that little speech in Mandarin. It is accepted wisdom that politicians have to pretend to be one of the crowd. I think most of us would prefer to believe the nation’s leader was smart and sophisticated. I do but what would I know! Good night all.

  188. Disgustingly Evil Walrus permalink
    June 5, 2013 10:38 pm

    Apparently scraper is upset !

    The thing about teeth was a denture fitting too far .

    He’s making threats too.

    Are we not all scared ?

    Get the mop !

    LOL

  189. Disgustingly Evil Walrus permalink
    June 5, 2013 10:52 pm

    Crazy Ivan where did he say he was back at work ?

  190. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2013 11:30 pm

    Interesting that Miglo (at TPS) recently said I’d commented from Indonesia, Melbourne, Brisbane…Is this stalking?

    That probably covers the spectrum of places I commented at CW for about a week about this time last year, just before he banned me for discussing asylum seeker policy.

    It’s hilarious that Min and him were pontificating about this policy while I was commenting from Java.

  191. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 5, 2013 11:57 pm

    …and just to clarify, Min was arguing that campaigns about the dangers of people trafficking to the locals were pointless because they are so uneducated and illiterate, I happened to be in the specific region observing that they weren’t.

  192. egg permalink
    June 6, 2013 7:27 am

    Rod Cameron breaks his silence.

    ”When they reaffirmed Julia Gillard’s leadership, they really were turkeys voting for Christmas – and what a Christmas it will be. It will be a total wipeout in the outer suburbs of all the capital cities and the regional and rural areas to boot.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/exlabor-pollster-tips-epic-disaster-20130605-2nqlb.html#ixzz2VNaMaPdH

  193. egg permalink
    June 6, 2013 7:42 am

    CW is troll free according to Taylor.

  194. Ol' Sancty permalink
    June 6, 2013 8:41 am

    Tom, the only reason the trade in people continues is that the monsoon season has been delayed…..by two years. I heard that from someone with inside info.

  195. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2013 8:47 am

    “Interesting that Miglo (at TPS) recently said I’d commented from Indonesia, Melbourne, Brisbane…Is this stalking? ”

    From what I’ve read about it it sure is.

    Besides if someone in the general public knows you are out of the Country and some low life cnut publishes your name and they already have an idea about where you live chances are you could come back to a home emptied of your valuables.

    Its like when people “tag” you as being with them at a certain time on their “Facebook” page. You have no idea what their own privacy settings are at the time.

    Its another reason not to go anywhere near Facebook as far as I’m concerned

  196. June 6, 2013 9:23 am

    “CW is troll free according to Taylor.”

    That depends on your perspective. Any objective individual would reasonably conclude that it’s overrun with pro-Gillard trolls to the exclusion of all others.

  197. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2013 9:36 am

    “Any objective individual would reasonably conclude that it’s overrun with pro-Gillard trolls”

    “Trolls” or “Zombies” ?

  198. June 6, 2013 9:43 am

    Good point. It’s practically the closest thing Australia’s blogging community has to a nursing home or above ground cemetery so “Zombies”may well be more appropriate….

  199. June 6, 2013 9:59 am

    That’s just rightist propaganda, from the ABC.

    Julia is going to win and win BIG !

  200. June 6, 2013 10:19 am

    It’s Fairfax conspiracy too…

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/mps-start-packing-as-election-loss-looms-20130606-2nrfd.html

    The thing that shits me, is that before Gillard took over Labor was a great party.. With the likes of Craig Emerson, Wayne Swan and Peter Garrett she has managed to not-so-single handedly completely destroy it..

  201. egg permalink
    June 6, 2013 10:25 am

    ‘above ground cemetery’

    classic

  202. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2013 10:35 am

    ” before Gillard took over Labor was a great party

    No, the structure of the ALP has been corrupt for 15 years. It was the self interest of factions and unions that screwed the Keating government. Keating was still trying to reform, but the hacks stymied his efforts and made that government look ineffectual.

    A particular case point was Keating’s efforts to reform the waterfront. At every step the unions blocked his efforts. So that government lost credibility, lost the election and gave Reith the excuse for his heavy handed reform.

    The hacks must be pleased that they rejected the more reasonable approach of the Keating government.

    Therefore, the only way forward for the ALP is a complete clean out, rebuild the branch structure and return the ownership of the party to the people who actually volunteer their time and money to support it, (ie get rid of union affiliation).

  203. June 6, 2013 10:53 am

    From Australia’s funniest political cartoonist:

    “We should all rally around the Prime Minister, and not necessarily in a palliative care kind of way…”

  204. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2013 10:57 am

    Whether Labor was ‘great’ is beside the point. You know it is in terminal decline when a straight-shooter like Faulkner says he is “no longer angry, just ashamed”. There are only a deluded few who have a different view.

  205. June 6, 2013 11:03 am

    “no longer angry, just ashamed”.

    The writing was on the wall when Tanner quit.

    Was that shortly after the ascension of Gillard?

  206. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2013 11:15 am

    Yep. Tanner was smart enough to understand the rot overtaking the party and get out of the way.

  207. egg permalink
    June 6, 2013 11:22 am

    Anyway, these days Tanner is into fast rail.

    http://www.brw.com.au/p/business/high_speed_rail_think_lindsay_tanner_rEMImWnEg67ACd9pYpXddJ

  208. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2013 12:04 pm

    Tanner is very bright. Penny Wong is now doing the job, she’s smart (certainly more than Swan), but nowhere near Tanner.

    Then add Rudd, Crean, Bowen, Ferguson, Fitzgibbon, Cameron… all on the back bench, the best talent in the ALP won’t serve under Gillard.

    If the smartest people in the ALP don’t want her, why would the rest of us?

  209. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2013 12:52 pm

    “If the smartest people in the ALP don’t want her, why would the rest of us?

    And the ALP is still getting 45% of the 2PP. Just imagine what they would be getting if they had a half decent leader??

    Australians like the ALP. For the majority it is the Party of expectations. If elected the ALP might stop world hunger, solve global warming, stop the seas from rising and solve poverty. People think they are doing something good by voting for the ALP. The Conservatives are looked at only caring for themselves and making money.

    All a load of rubbish of course. When Labor gets in it usually ends in disaster.

  210. June 6, 2013 1:05 pm

    “The Conservatives are looked at only caring for themselves and making money.”

    That’s because they do.

    An even keel would be nice.

    Neither side offers that.

  211. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2013 1:41 pm

    “People think they are doing something good by voting for the ALP.”

    And such people are far, far worse than people who act out of self interest.

    CS Lewis on the tyranny of good intentions:

    “Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

    It all goes back to understanding human nature – harnessing self-interest is always more effective than having government make economic decisions. It matters not how high-minded the government is, it will inevitably and in short order devolve from its lofty ideals to Animal Farm. It takes a monumental ego and a minuscule mind to ignore the lessons of history and clamour for an ever-expanding role for government.

  212. June 6, 2013 1:49 pm

    Kevin Rudd is going to be on the 730 report tonight…

    #Ruddmentum?

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2013 2:23 pm

    Big fan of CS Lewis … The Hornblower series, The Cruel Sea (he served on destroyers during WWII) my old man introdcued me to him many, many years ago …

    … tickled that he knew about Robber Barons … and long before me … cupidity – a new word in my vocabulary too …

  214. June 6, 2013 2:24 pm

    I’m all for a non-expanding government.

    But, I revile powerful corporate or institutional monopolies being disproportionately represented through gross lobbying & deceptive input into lawmaking.

  215. June 6, 2013 2:25 pm

    I am very allergic to Nanny-Statism.

  216. June 6, 2013 2:32 pm

    A good read over at New Matilda…

    “For Labor, doom is more imminent. The party looks set to be reduced to a rump of perhaps 30 or 40 lower house MPs. They will be an odd assortment of union hacks, time servers and factional players, plus at least two former prime ministers in the form of Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd. The left of the party will probably be strengthened, because left-faction figures like Tanya Plibersek and Anthony Albanese will probably retain their inner-city seats, while much of the right in suburban seats will be swept away in a blue Coalition tide. A lot of talent will depart the parliamentary party, including right faction hopefuls like Chris Bowen, often spoken about as a future leader.”

    http://newmatilda.com/2013/06/06/where-now-progressive-politics

  217. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2013 2:35 pm

    I thought you would appreciate the Robber Barons reference TB.

    “#Ruddmentum?”

    The ALP has gone from Ruddslide to shitslide and unfortunately we are deep in it. But come September the turds will be flushed away.

  218. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2013 3:01 pm

    From the New Matilda article: “The Greens are running, sensibly, on a “keep the bastards honest” platform”

    Hilarious hypocrisy from the lot that forced Gillard to break her promise on the Carbon Tax!

    And ain’t this the truth:

    That will leave an ALP reduced to its true base; a party representing institutional trade union power – a rump that, without substantial internal reform, will be fundamentally unelectable in the medium-term. The union bosses appear in no hurry to reform themselves out of a job. Given the likely decision to parachute right-faction “faceless man” David Feeney into Martin Ferguson’s safe Melbourne seat of Batman, internal reform appears as far away as ever.”

  219. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2013 3:05 pm

    I was out last night with a group of business types, just selling some snake oil.

    It’s amazing that no one liked Abbott, they were completely underwhelmed, there was little respect for his intellect (how the f**k did he ever become a Rhodes Scholar?) No one thinks he will be a huge success.

    But they just can’t stand Gillard, and her dishonesty.

  220. egg permalink
    June 6, 2013 3:24 pm

    Anthony Albanese may not retain his safe seat, which he holds comfortably. The Greens will be mounting a strong challenge.

  221. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2013 3:36 pm

    I’d prefer Albo – he’s such great entertainment. Who knows, the ALP remnants may even make that fat spluttering fucker Leader of the Opposition.

  222. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2013 3:45 pm

    What the fuck are all those bogan’s in Western Sydney complaining about the NBN for ?

    Once it’s laid in their street and into their homes they’ll be able to Google “Deadly Asbestos Diseases” 10 times faster

  223. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2013 3:48 pm

    They should be grateful. There will be a lot more jobs once the NBN comes in. And they will be able to work from home (assuming the are prepared to move to India).

  224. Evil Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2013 4:04 pm

    “…………It matters not how high-minded the government is, it will inevitably and in short order devolve from its lofty ideals to Animal Farm.”

    Edward R. Murrow – “A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”

  225. egg permalink
    June 6, 2013 4:19 pm

    ‘I’d prefer Albo ..’

    Its a two horse race between Hall Greenland and Albo and, because of the changing demographics in the area, its a fair bet the watermelon will trump the incumbent.

    Greenland I know from the old days, we were political associates in the ALP… he’s a political animal.

    Here’s a little more on the seat.

    ‘Grayndler is a Labor marginal seat, and the seat with the second-highest Greens vote in the country. The result will not be decided by the dynamics of the race between Labor and the Coalition.’

    The Tally Room

  226. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2013 4:21 pm

    Loved the comment i saw on another blog. We knew Conroy wanted to give us fiber to the home we just did not know it would be asbestos fibers.

  227. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2013 4:39 pm

    “Hall Greenland. The Great Leap Forward.”

    Oh great. The Greens roll out another dessicated old commo!

  228. egg permalink
    June 6, 2013 4:40 pm

    Hall is a watermelon first class.

  229. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2013 4:45 pm

    Who will the Libs preference? Hopefully they have given up preferencing Greens. I f they preference Albo, he should win.

  230. egg permalink
    June 6, 2013 5:07 pm

    They would be smart giving it to Albo.

  231. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 6, 2013 5:19 pm

    Maybe Clover should run for Sydney to give Pliberserk something to worry about.

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2013 5:29 pm

    It’s amazing that no one liked Abbott, they were completely underwhelmed, there was little respect for his intellect (how the f**k did he ever become a Rhodes Scholar?) No one thinks he will be a huge success.

    But they just can’t stand Gillard, and her dishonesty.

    I think that is the dilemma for any thinking person at the moment, ToM

    I’m getting similar reports to yours … my son is an ops manager in automotive (operates nationally) and my son/in/law is a project manager (international company) in the mining industry …

  233. egg permalink
    June 6, 2013 5:33 pm

    Yeah, don’t know how that would go.

    The gentrification of Grayndler is happening quite fast, young professionals have pushed out the working class.

  234. June 6, 2013 5:45 pm

    The whole asbestos pits thing is a massive beat-up.

    Fkn City People. They are genuinely what’s wrong with the fkn planet.

    They have NFI.

  235. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2013 6:05 pm

    Turnbull lost points with me on his crap about asbestos cement on Lateline … he is either ill-informed, incompetent or now playing stupid at Abbott’s behest …

    Might remind you I live in the city and explained the issues here before it was politicised by the Opposition …

    I really dislke politicians who deliberately set out to frighten people, just to become lord of the fkn manor …

    If the NBN is not completed then the country will suffer in the future … ignorance abounds when it comes to actually “doing stuff” in this country … we’ve become more tory (sit on your arse types) than the pommie tories … Abbott’s lot will be one step forward and two steps back …

    As my neighbour told me this evening … his country of birth was once a democracy …

  236. June 6, 2013 6:08 pm

    * Ne’er hath there been a more off topic comment…

    You were warned.

    This is to my Sith Yirra nigga, PIAOSY.

    I was just buzzing & slamming to some toonz which I would otherwise never have encountered.

    * Die Antwoord

    * Fkd up mollyjizz

    It provides backscuttling, downtempo relief from my preferred slamming brutality.

    I’d like to credit u wit da, Greydon Square, too, dat shit be tweaked. But, I fear, it’s outside of your zone. 😉
    Who posted that, btw? I love greydon. He is a social conservatives worst nightmare.

  237. June 6, 2013 6:11 pm

    Sorry, TB, my comment about city filth was the worst kind of generalising…but I’m on holz, I’m sozzled…&, no shit, I have low tolerance for plastic people who’ve rarely been outside of their 80k sign>

    Beatups shit me.

    Too much of that shit goes on.

    The facts always get lost in the fucken noise.

  238. June 6, 2013 6:13 pm

    I promise to be good now…

    😯

  239. June 6, 2013 6:23 pm

    I meant to post The Compton Effect…

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2013 6:55 pm

    LOL! 😆

    Enjoy … Toillette! 🙂

  241. PIAOSY permalink
    June 6, 2013 9:05 pm

    “* Die Antwoord

    * Fkd up mollyjizz”

    😉

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