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January 31, 2014

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  1. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2014 8:16 pm

    Kung Hei Fat Choy! (Year of the horse.)

    Drinks and jokes, you say? I might have my first drink since New Years Eve. (Don’t ask!) Then I’ll rate the jokes.

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2014 8:25 pm

    Noice of junior “journos” to highlight the importants bits for us, hey? Good onya , Danny, ya DH …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/senior-labor-politicians-jay-weatherill-and-don-farrell-in-worlds-most-awkward-abc-interview/story-fncynjr2-1226814829669

    Oi! ToSY, WT & soda three ice blocks (its a bit warmish) *clink*

    (Confession: These days … drinks on Fridays/Saturdays – and special occasions …)

  3. Tony permalink
    January 31, 2014 8:34 pm

    *Clink* TB. Vodka, lemon, soda, large glass, four ice cubes.

  4. January 31, 2014 8:41 pm

    tweedle-dum and tweedle-dee

    .
    `was` one of those memorable moments TB,

  5. egg permalink
    January 31, 2014 8:49 pm

    I’ll join the party with JW and water… ** clink **

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2014 8:54 pm

    *Clink* TB. Vodka, lemon, soda, large glass, four ice cubes.

    Large glass! Why didn’t I think of that? Oh, wait! 😉

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    `was` one of those memorable moments TB,

    More sad than memorable, VFT … for the nation!

    *clink* egg …

    I hope that JW is not red label? 😉

  7. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 31, 2014 8:55 pm

    This is interesting

    http://www.citizenship.gov.au/events/65_anniversary/

    “On 26 January 1949 the Nationality and Citizenship Act 1948 came into effect creating the new status of Australian citizen. Prior to this, most people living in Australia were known as British subjects. This important piece of legislation meant that for the first time we could truly call ourselves Australians.”

    So we were not Australian citizens until 1949. Before that we were British subjects.

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2014 8:58 pm

    BTW, egg, JW Red is the most imbibed scotch in the world … if you want a good “cheap” scotch go for Grants – they make Glenfiddich (used to be my preferred single – and been to the distilley) … best blended – Chivas Regal, for years I thought it was a single …

    These other wankers blurb about wine – real folk drink spirits – we are closer to the gods … 😆

  9. egg permalink
    January 31, 2014 9:00 pm

    ‘I hope that JW is not red label?’

    chuckle

    Talking of which.

    PHILIP MUNDAY: So, what we’ve looked at is a thing called the critical flicker fusion rate, and this tends to be correlated with the activity level and the environment that an animal lives in. So if they live in a very bright environment, they’re very active, they have a high critical flicker fusion rate. If they’re more sluggish or live in a dim environment, they have a much lower one.

    ABC / PM

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2014 9:00 pm

    So we were not Australian citizens until 1949. Before that we were British subjects

    Mmmm … sort of … I was British when was called up … had all sorts of bother becoming an Aussie four years after I was discharged … wot a funny werld …

  11. egg permalink
    January 31, 2014 9:03 pm

    Red label has always been my preferred option, I got this one as a Xmas present and should keep me going until my birthday in June.

  12. egg permalink
    January 31, 2014 10:25 pm

    ‘Australian PM threatens to deport asylum seekers if they are irritating, spit or swear in public’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2548681/Australian-PM-Scott-Morrison-threatens-deport-asylum-seekers-irritating-spit-swear-public.html#ixzz2ryTDpVnQ
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  13. TB Queensland permalink
    January 31, 2014 10:51 pm

    ‘Australian PM threatens to deport asylum seekers if they are irritating, spit or swear in public’

    So … different standards for government ministers and asylum seekers … that figures …:roll:

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 31, 2014 11:50 pm

    Restaurant Review

    Just back from a local restaurant, some food was accompanied by a Katnook Odyssey Cab Sav 2006. Fifi had the 2003 Charles Heidsieck.

    The drinking was outstanding. The food was consumed.
    ====
    Funny reading by David Sedaris.

  15. February 1, 2014 1:46 am

    Bombay Safirre and grey goose vodka tonight, my mate is off to yankieville to sell handmade Aussie engineering to rich yanks..Gotta try and block the sale of our local art deco bolo to the tykes by a local developer who infiltrated the board. War meeting and warchest in play…Ya blink and these ass wipes sell the farm..of course they all are in the local branch of the fiberal party broomstick brigade.

  16. February 1, 2014 6:58 am

    “These other wankers blurb about wine – real folk drink spirits – we are closer to the gods”

    Indeed TB! Have you tried JW Double Black or any of their “Explorer” line? Very good…

  17. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 1, 2014 3:40 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/undersize-tiger-shark-found-dead-on-drum-line-at-perth-beach/story-fnii5thn-1226815535789

    I have no problem with culling some of the sharks around popular beaches. Along the surf coast this summer there were beaches were cleared a couple of times because of sharks. I can’t recall that ever happening in the past.

    I’d prefer to have a few sharks killed to my daughter, who probably spends a dozen hours surfing each week.

  18. February 1, 2014 5:01 pm

    The odds of your daughter being taken are infinitesimally ridiculous, YomM.

    My daughter spends at least as much time surfing…& you’ll have to trust me when I say that there are plenty of gigantic white pointers in this part of the world. It’s just not something we worry about, wet ourselves or fret over.

    Indiscriminate killing of animals in their natural habitat is disgusting, fruitless & will not eradicate the threat anyway.
    If you think that killing them at ‘popular’ beaches will somehow mitigate carnivorous encounters, then I have a bridge to sell you.
    The policy is ill advised, kneejerk politics aimed at placating those who are so much the centre of their universe that they’re sure it will be them! who is going to be devoured if we don’t murder scary beasts, dammit! 🙄

    It’s the mentality of people who’ve never spent much time outside of the 80km zone, where man isn’t always Lord of His Dominion.

    I’m officially barracking for more shark on human ingestion, as of…now.

    People need to get used to the idea that they can’t own, dominate or tame everything/place/animal which they survey. If they don’t like it, they should stay safe & secure in their house, on dry land.

  19. February 1, 2014 5:07 pm

    The death of the undersize tigershark is just proof that the drumlines are indiscriminate.

    Humans are fucked up, not sharks.

  20. February 1, 2014 5:09 pm

    “Along the surf coast this summer there were beaches were cleared a couple of times because of sharks. I can’t recall that ever happening in the past.”

    Pantswetting is at a historical high!

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 1, 2014 5:28 pm

    I don’t think so, and it is anyone else’s child I’m concerned about.

    If there was one person attacked by a shark along the surf coast, it would deeply effect the surf culture of the region.

    Plenty of kids would just stay on the sand.

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 1, 2014 5:35 pm

    Culling sharks that are near popular beaches is a no brainer.

  23. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 1, 2014 5:49 pm

    So now killing sharks in their own environment will save aussie culture!

    Why not agitate en masse to save the oceans from global warming, you might find the sharks returning to their previous behaviours and habitat. 🙄

  24. February 1, 2014 5:52 pm

    Yes, it is a no-brained response.

    I couldn’t give a fuck about popular beaches or larger saturations of humans in the water (arguably, most surfers wouldn’t see that as a net positive anyway).

    Fuck the Surf Coast.

    At the end of the day, people that love surfing, or the ocean in general, will go & do what they do in spite of the fear frenzy. Let’s face it, I’ve been doing it for decades & I don’t waste a second worrying about impending devourment, and I know I’m not alone.
    Those too paralysed by their own fear & self preservation instinct may be better suited to macramé or scrapbooking.

    The fun far outweighs the risk & that’s the way it should be viewed. Laying waste to magnificent creatures because they pose a statistically irrelevant threat to the odd person is sickening.

    I share & accommodate many of your opinions, Tom, but on this there is a gaping chasm between us.

    I know you surf, so inherently you are no coward…but your stance makes you look easily spooked & prone to rash judgement when fear overrides good judgement.

    Go Sharks!!!

  25. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 1, 2014 5:58 pm

    Perhaps we will only be happy when the globe is chockers with wall to wall people in their concrete jungles, having destroying every other species, plant and animal, on this earth. The sea dying of toxic pollution, unable to sustain a living creature, good surfing for the little darlings then!

  26. February 1, 2014 6:03 pm

    There is certainly something to be said for living in a relatively unpopulated area.

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2014 6:15 pm

    Indeed TB! Have you tried JW Double Black or any of their “Explorer” line?

    I have and their “blue”, “green” and “gold” … but these days I drink bourbon … (ex-Glenfiddich as mentioned earlier … and I like Chivas Regal)

    Wild Turkey is my main brew, with a Gentleman Jack for a treat and I generally bring back a couple of special WTs from overseas – I luv Tradition …

    Soda (dash -don’t kill the spirit!) two ice blocks … some nice chamber music … soft lights …hard to beat …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The conversation and, KL’s, closing remarks reminded me immediately of the principle behind Elysium …

    Sharks were here before humans … I don’t hit the beach much these days macrame takes so much of my time 🙂 … however back in the day I wouldn’t even try to surf because of my fear of sharks … but hey its their home not mine … I certainly never begrudged the shark’s right to life … as long as it wasn’t mine … I’ve only got one left …

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 1, 2014 6:25 pm

    The surf coast is hardly full of “globe chokers”
    ————
    Obviously I like surfing, and I’m no wave snob, I like to watch plenty of kids catch waves on a shore break, and I’m also happy to drive for an hour if I don’t want to share a wave with a dozen others.

    I’d like the activity to be even more accessible and popular. It is about the healthiest and most family oriented sport around.

    I’m no more inclined to accommodate sharks in the water than I am willing to be happy about bluebottles.

  29. February 1, 2014 6:36 pm

    Humans are waaaaay more dangerous than sharks or bluebottles.

    You know this.

    Your fears are caveman.

  30. February 1, 2014 6:37 pm

    Not many people get masticated by gigantic fish in the washing machine shorebreak.

    You also know this…

  31. February 1, 2014 6:42 pm

    Anything that you see unexpectedly while you’re flailing around in the ocean in water well over your height will cause you alarm or momentary panic, whether that be a seal, a dolphin or a humpback.

    Thing about big sharks is…you aren’t gonna see it anyway, there’s fuck all you can do about it…and unless you’re fkn superman it will all be over before you have (much) time to think about it.

    Leave the sharks the fuck alone! they leave us alone…99.99999% of the time we’re in the water.

  32. February 1, 2014 6:43 pm

    This opinion of mine is longstanding & didn’t just materialise when Colin Barnett decided to be a populist, pantswetting fucktard in the last month or so.

  33. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 1, 2014 6:51 pm

    I certainly never begrudged the shark’s right to life … as long as it wasn’t mine … I’ve only got one left …

    Me too TB, we have a choice to enter the sea [or not if afraid of what it contains] the shark doesn’t.

    surfs up!

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2014 7:12 pm

    Re Lifeboat …

    That is just wrong, KL! And plain silly in 2014!

    I do hope the Courier Mail has got their facts right … its the only State newspaper we’ve got in Qld (as I’m sure you know …) … and even that is owned by you know who!

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 1, 2014 7:39 pm

    Three people died while crossing a river in the jungle.

    The navy are forcing people to their deaths, I don’t know how that fits with maritime law.

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 1, 2014 7:46 pm

    I’m not interested in culling sharks to the point of extinction. It is simply that there have been more attacks during the past few years.

    Get their numbers back to the point that attacks are a rarity rather than a regular event.

  37. egg permalink
    February 1, 2014 7:47 pm

    Those life boats are very safe and a walled silence on the matter by our politicians indicates its one of ours.

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2014 8:12 pm

    Those life boats are very safe and a walled silence on the matter by our politicians indicates its one of ours.

    Waffle! What about being a human instead of Another Abbott Acolyte …

    A WARNING TO ALL ABBOTT FOLLOWERS … his actions internationally are going to affect you and your family in a very negative way if you travel … and probably in ways I can’t think of right now … wait till the international news services (other than News Ltd troglodytes ..) get a whiff of this …

    Laugh at your own peril … as some did here NINE years ago (on other blogs) when I warned of the impending GFC … Abbott has a disaster unfolding overseas … unions will be the least of his worries …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Sharks … just told The Minister, the essence of the comments here … she said, ” Well killing the sharks will teach ’em won’t it” … 😆

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2014 8:13 pm

    BTW, WTF is walled silence … ?

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2014 8:17 pm

    The navy are forcing people to their deaths …

    Unfortunately the RAN is following orders … wait for the strike mutiny … they’ve done it before – HMAS Perth or HMAS Australia … not sure, I read both books in tandem …

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 1, 2014 8:33 pm

    The navy are forcing people to their deaths

    Really?? I thought they were saving lives. How many people drowned under Rudd/Gillard?? maybe 1,000- 2,000 people.

    What gets me about ALP supporters is that you don’t care about the people who we used to take from UNHCR camps that could not make it under Rudd Gillard.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/boatpeople-keep-other-asylum-seekers-at-bay/story-e6frg6z6-1225961715172

    SALVATION Army senior soldier Simon Hartley struggles with the consequences of asylum policy every day in Altona, in Melbourne’s southwest, in the heart of Prime Minister Julie Gillard’s electorate.

    He does not deal with asylum-seekers who arrive on boats. He helps the families of refugees suffering overseas who have been crowded out, denied a place in Australia because it has been taken by someone who originally came illegally.”

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2014 8:43 pm

    I started watching the David Sesaris vid at the head of this fred … and my first thoughts were … sReb and ToM PAID for this “autobiography” … then DS lost me with the child should have been “slapped across the face” … DS presaged that with “I don’t have children but …”

    Well I do – two of ’em and five grandkids … a smack is fine on the bum but never, never, never on the face … the “power psychology” of slapping a child across the face is horrendous … and lingers for life …

    Now don’t get me wrong … compared to the generations before them, today’s parents are generally a bunch of ignorant nongs … and the urban myth of not smacking a child is rife … after the second warning its a no-brainer …

    … so what happens to these softly treated – all rights, no responsibility/respect children …

    … they become alcohol/drug/steroid sucking 19 – 20 something zombies … killing innocent people with a single coward punch – usually those who did get a smack after the second warning … !

    Its not the kids who need the “good hiding” as I was promised when I got home from school after I’d stuffed up …

    .. its the fkn ignoramuses that bred the little bastards …

    And the sooner they get rid of that vicious cage fighting the better … they banned boxing … then put on a human dog fight … astounding …

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2014 8:46 pm

    You do have a twisted view of life, Kneel … asylum seekers are refugees no matter how they arrive … if you have a problem target the people who can afford a flight here … or do I have to put the statistics up again …

    Have you done statistics at school yet?

  44. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 1, 2014 8:56 pm

    ” asylum seekers are refugees no matter how they arrive

    So what. It means that the people we used to take from UNHCR camps we can no longer take. But you do not care.

    And i suspect boat people are just economic immigrants, military types, shysters who are told by the smugglers what to say to milk the system. But once again you do not care.

    You don’t care do you??

    if you have a problem target the people who can afford a flight here

    Not that plane people BS diversion again. I suspect that almost no asylum seekers come by plane. We have 200,000 overseas students here on 487 visas. Just before their visa expires they claim asylum because they like it here so much.

  45. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 1, 2014 9:40 pm

    Who cares what neil suspects, his racism has been obvious throughout his posts, the big pretence of saving lives by dumping ignorant, defenceless and vulnerable people at sea. Crocodile tears.

    …if you have a problem target the people who can afford a flight here …

    And target the smugglers, not the poor human flotsam and jetsam of the sea who are desperate to get to a safe haven. These people have committed no crimes, yet are imprisoned like hardened criminals without even the benefit of a trial other than trial by politics and fear. Driven mostly by the good ‘christian’ soldier/warriors who can’t bear the thought of muslims in australia. You call yourself a caring human being neil, not in my eyes, more like tough hate!

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    February 1, 2014 9:47 pm

    So what. 🙄

    And i suspect boat people are just economic immigrants, military types, shysters 🙄

    Not that plane people BS diversion again. 🙄

    I suspect that almost no asylum seekers come by plane 🙄

    We have 200,000 overseas students here on 487 visas. Just before their visa expires they claim asylum because they like it here so much. 🙄

    Have you any idea how silly you sound?

    I actually feel sorry for you … do you really want me to rip your statements apart? 🙄

    Had you been a German national living in Germany in 1938 you would have believed that the Jews were responsible for WWI …and the plight Germany was in after WWI … a problem caused primarily by the bitterness of France and Great Britain (as they chose to call themselves then – Empire and all that)…

    … even though the Jews fought with distinction in the trenches ( and Hitler knew it) …

    … you would have crucified the Jews because of the same approach to propoganda employed by Herr Goebbels … and here by Abbott and Morrison …

    You see, to pull the gullible you have to have a “common enemy” … Hitler chose the Jews … Abbott has chosen the “boat people” …

    And FYI I do care … about ALL people not just those the Abbott government tells me to care for … or … more particularly … NOT TO CARE FOR … as you obviously do …

  47. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 1, 2014 9:48 pm

    So what. It means that the people we used to take from UNHCR camps we can no longer take. But you do not care.

    Get a fkn clue neil. The only reason that the refugee camps have less people taken is because australia sets a quota system. They can take any amount of boat refugees over and above the set in concrete quota of ALL refugees if they like, they choose not to. They insist of a system of one from here must reduce one from there.

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 1, 2014 9:49 pm

    “And target the smugglers, not the poor human flotsam and jetsam of the sea who are desperate to get to a safe haven.

    They have safe haven in Indonesia.

    “You call yourself a caring human being neil, not in my eyes, more like tough hate!

    O.K. put a number on how many refugees we should take. Should we take all 40 million or have a quota system??

  49. egg permalink
    February 1, 2014 9:54 pm

    ‘BTW, WTF is walled silence … ?’

    I meant wall of silence.

  50. egg permalink
    February 1, 2014 9:56 pm

    ‘asylum seekers are refugees no matter how they arrive …’

    Illegal guest workers are asylum seekers no matter how they arrive.

  51. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 1, 2014 10:00 pm

    If they were white Zimbabweans, white colonial/boer sth africans or white supremacists from anywhere, they would be invited to come here with outstretched arms, not even necessary to go through any test of legitimate refugee status. That happened under howard if you recall.

  52. egg permalink
    February 1, 2014 10:08 pm

    Genuine refugees usually go to the nearest safe haven from the place of conflict and imminent danger. The Syrian refugees are camped next door.

    If Abbott stops the boats coming to Xmas Island then the illegal guest workers will return home, leaving only genuine refugees or crooks who cannot go home.

    In due course they will find their safe haven in the destination of their dreams, or they’ll live out the rest of their lives in Java.

  53. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 1, 2014 10:11 pm

    “If they were white Zimbabweans, white colonial/boer sth africans or white supremacists from anywhere, they would be invited to come here with outstretched arms”

    Typical leftoid diversion.

    How many refugees do you think we should take?? All 40 million or perhaps we should have quota system.

  54. egg permalink
    February 1, 2014 10:13 pm

    Australian immigration is not prejudiced, we take Somalis and settle them in the bush. Outstanding human beings.

    A white Zimbabwean would fly in on a visitor’s visa and then seek asylum.

  55. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 1, 2014 10:16 pm

    They have safe haven in Indonesia.

    Indonesia is so safe, I’m assuming you would be happy to live there as an AS?

    Illegal guest workers are asylum seekers no matter how they arrive

    Illegal workers and visa overstayers are illegal, seeking asylum is not.

    O.K. put a number on how many refugees we should take. Should we take all 40 million or have a quota system??

    We can well afford to take more than we do now. They will work and become good tax paying citizens. Just give them a helping hand when they need it most and they will be as productive as the boat people and migrants from years past have done.

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 1, 2014 10:18 pm

    A white Zimbabwean would fly in on a visitor’s visa and then seek asylum.

    Which would be granted immediately, no need to be locked up on or off shore.

  57. egg permalink
    February 1, 2014 10:30 pm

    If he overstays and they catch him, he will have to make his case. On the other hand if he speaks to the authorities before his visa expires, telling them of the danger if he returns home, then they will check it out. Importantly this asylum seeker has papers to verify he’s not a cunning devil.

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 1, 2014 10:31 pm

    “Which would be granted immediately, no need to be locked up on or off shore.”

    Why would you want to lock up people legally here on a visa??

    I work with overseas students who are legally here on 487 visas. A lot of them apply for asylum before their visa expires because they like it here. Also under new rules introduced by Gillard these 487 visa people are now allowed to stay and work in Australia for 4 years after they get their degree. They usually apply for asylum during this period of time.

    “We can well afford to take more than we do now. They will work and become good tax paying citizens

    I have no problem with that. In fact i would prefer refugees than skilled immigrants.

    But you sidestepped the question. Should we have a quota system???

  59. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 1, 2014 11:02 pm

    Sorry i meant 485 visas.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/work-rules-relaxed-for-foreign-students/story-fncynjr2-1226598601904

    THOUSANDS more foreign students will get the green light to compete for Australian jobs next week, when the Government expands a work visa scheme………….The scheme’s expansion has angered unions and prompted warnings from within Ms Gillard’s own party that foreign students will snatch jobs from local graduates.

    But Immigration Minister Brendan O’Connor said the change was “intended to make Australia a more attractive destination for high quality overseas students”.

    Lots of these students apply for asylum after they fly in not because they are in danger at home but because they like to live here.

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 1, 2014 11:09 pm

    Why would you want to lock up people legally here on a visa??

    Why would you want to lock up people legally seeking asylum??

    But you sidestepped the question. Should we have a quota system???

    I didn’t sidestep it at all, we should continue to have an increased quota which include boat arrivals within it. the boat arrivals should not be treated differently to plane arrivals who seek asylum.

    Importantly this asylum seeker has papers to verify he’s not a cunning devil.

    What a simplistic and bigoted view of people who suffer real hardships.

    Only people without papers are cunning devils, that would mean all the jews escaping hitler would not be accepted here, nor anyone who comes from a country where you can’t apply for papers without giving yourself away and putting your family at risk. Too bad if you are a known government dissenter etc [life and death for them ].

  61. February 1, 2014 11:13 pm

    ””””’I’d prefer to have a few sharks killed”””’

    Dipshit.

    Teh sharks are migratory, (lines are baited and ATTRACT sharks),

    and they need to keep moving, any bites that HAVE happened, it is too late, they have gone already,

    l don`t mind sharks nibbling a few bogan flavored snacks.

  62. February 1, 2014 11:21 pm

    ya`daughter has fcuk-all chance of being nibbled,

    do you let her cross the road.? or ride in a car.?

  63. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 1, 2014 11:38 pm

    “I didn’t sidestep it at all, we should continue to have an increased quota which include boat arrivals within it.

    Well we have a quota system and boat arrivals were taking all the places. Tens of thousands of people we used to take from UNHCR camps have been denied places because of boat people.

    You say we should have a quota system but you have not put a number on it. 20,000, 40,000, 80,000 or whatever???

    Why would you want to lock up people legally seeking asylum??

    Well if i washed up on some beach i would expect to be locked up until the authorities verified who i was.

  64. February 1, 2014 11:38 pm

    This is the first close-up look at one of the 11 lifeboats that the Abbott Government has sourced out of Singapore in its uncompromising fight to stop the boats – a fight that it appears to be winning.
    .
    The fully enclosed and submersible 8.5m x 3.2m survival capsule, fitted with safety belts, navigational equipment, life jackets, food, water and an inboard diesel motor, came ashore in remote Cikepuh, in West Java, on the afternoon of January 15.
    .

    l think these things cost us 49K$ a piece. #Yay.Bonfire.Time
    Story said it was `parked` on reef somewhere.
    .
    ””””Abbott Government has sourced out of Singapore”””’
    #Yay.for.buying.Aussie.made

  65. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 2, 2014 12:05 am

    “#Yay.for.buying.Aussie.made

    We don’t make anything in Australia anymore. I remember many years ago we had a violent thunderstorm in Sydney. I think it was in 2001. Many roofs were destroyed but nothing could be done until the temporary tarpaulins were flown in from China.

  66. February 2, 2014 12:06 am

    ””’if i washed up on some beach i would expect to be locked up””’

    wish granted. when ya`goin.?

  67. February 2, 2014 12:12 am

    ”””We don’t make anything in Australia anymore.””’

    ”””the temporary tarpaulins were flown in from China.””

    and you see nothing wrong with `free-trade` dumping

    #LockStepping

  68. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 2, 2014 12:12 am

    I am not going anywhere. But do you agree with AO when she said this

    “Why would you want to lock up people legally seeking asylum??

    So a bunch of people come in by boat and we let them walk around without checking who they are??

  69. February 2, 2014 1:12 am

    We should stop being hypocrites and tear-up the `human-rights` charters we have signed so our politicians can stop `international-grandstanding` and we can run around dressed in our bed-sheets.

  70. February 2, 2014 1:14 am

    Somebody is Lock stepping as usual.

  71. egg permalink
    February 2, 2014 9:27 am

    ‘What a simplistic and bigoted view of people who suffer real hardships.’

    There are criminals amongst them.

  72. egg permalink
    February 2, 2014 9:31 am

    ‘that would mean all the jews escaping hitler would not be accepted here’

    After crystal night Hitler encouraged jews to get a visitor’s visa to other countries and not to come back. They had papers.

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2014 10:40 am

    There are criminals amongst them.

    Bugger … they seem to be everywhere these days … 😯

    ==============================================

    After crystal night Hitler encouraged jews to get a visitor’s visa to other countries and not to come back. They had papers.

    D’ja reckon? Off the cuff opinions of history don’t cut it, egg … although there is a tendency to rewrite it from those right leaners …

    BTW, these were German citizens …

    (My bold)

    Kristallnacht (German pronunciation: [kʁɪsˈtalnaχt]; English: “Crystal Night”), also referred to as the Night of Broken Glass, or Reichskristallnacht [ˌʁaɪçs.kʁɪsˈtalnaχt], Pogromnacht [poˈɡʁoːmnaχt] ( listen), and November pogrome [noˈvɛmbɐpoɡʁoːmə] ( listen), was a pogrom (a series of coordinated attacks) against Jews throughout Nazi Germany and parts of Austria on 9–10 November 1938, carried out by SA paramilitary forces and non-Jewish civilians. German authorities looked on without intervening.[1] The name Kristallnacht comes from the shards of broken glass that littered the streets after Jewish-owned stores, buildings, and synagogues had their windows smashed.[2]

    At least 91 Jews were killed in the attacks, and 30,000 were arrested and incarcerated in concentration camps.[2] Jewish homes, hospitals, and schools were ransacked, as the attackers demolished buildings with sledgehammers.[3] Over 1,000 synagogues were burned (95 in Vienna alone) and over 7,000 Jewish businesses destroyed or damaged.[4][5] Martin Gilbert writes that no event in the history of German Jews between 1933 and 1945 was so widely reported as it was happening, and the accounts from the foreign journalists working in Germany sent shock waves around the world.[3] The Times wrote at the time: “No foreign propagandist bent upon blackening Germany before the world could outdo the tale of burnings and beatings, of blackguardly assaults on defenseless and innocent people, which disgraced that country yesterday.”[6]

    The pretext for the attacks was the assassination of the German diplomat Ernst vom Rath by Herschel Grynszpan, a German-born Polish Jew resident in Paris. Kristallnacht was followed by additional economic and political persecution of Jews, and is viewed by historians as part of Nazi Germany’s broader racial policy, and the beginning of the Final Solution and The Holocaust.[7]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht

  74. February 2, 2014 11:04 am

    then DS lost me with the child should have been “slapped across the face” … DS presaged that with “I don’t have children but …”

    It’s not meant to be taken too literally TB….

    🙄

  75. February 2, 2014 11:09 am

    there is nothing like a good child beating, amen

  76. egg permalink
    February 2, 2014 11:23 am

    ‘Off the cuff opinions of history don’t cut it, egg … ‘

    It wasn’t off the cuff, the German Jews had time to get out up until the mid 1930s, but they continued to suffer deprivation because the idea of emigration was unacceptable. Then it became too late.

    Scroll down to the relevant part ….

    http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1309

  77. egg permalink
    February 2, 2014 11:34 am

    Here’s a little more on the subject.

    ‘Jewish emigration surged from the beginning of 1938, but the authorities impeded these efforts and continued with the systematic expropriation of property – a process known as “Aryanization”.

    ‘Overall, of the half a million Jews who had been living in Germany when Hitler took power, about 300,000 managed to emigrate before the “Final Solution of the Jewish Question” began.’

  78. egg permalink
    February 2, 2014 12:15 pm

    ‘THE great energy price rip-off looks set to come to an end after three major energy companies locked in price drops over the next five years.’

    Bashan / Daily Terror

  79. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 2, 2014 12:20 pm

    “‘that would mean all the jews escaping hitler would not be accepted here’

    Apparently they would not be accepted here. Speaking of plane people, apparently people who fly in by plane have to sign a document saying they will not seek asylum after they arrive. I have seen this written many times so it appears to be true.

    If so, i think that is wrong. People should be allowed to fly here and claim asylum but apparently if they want to they have to lie. Plane people have to sign a document saying they will not seek asylum after the arrive.

    That is one rule which should be changed.

  80. egg permalink
    February 2, 2014 12:36 pm

    Its probably just a legal formality. This story s a few years old, but it gives a glimpse of the situation.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-1226200568050

  81. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 2, 2014 1:04 pm

    “l don`t mind sharks nibbling a few bogan flavored snacks.”

    No danger to teabag, he’d never go anywhere near any water (or land) based activity.

  82. February 2, 2014 1:06 pm

    Refugee Council of Australia chief executive officer Paul Power said the figures helped put boat arrivals into context.

    “The impact of boat arrivals on Australia’s migration program is very small,” he said.

    “Political leaders continue to add to public fears about people arriving by boat but they make little or no effort to put the small number of asylum seekers entering Australia into any global context. Little attention is paid to the fact that so many asylum seekers who arrive by boat are found to have well-founded fears of persecution.”
    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-1226200568050

    l agree.
    .
    ””””’it gives a glimpse of the situation”””’

    l agree, nice find dumpty.

  83. egg permalink
    February 2, 2014 1:07 pm

    Ta

  84. February 2, 2014 1:13 pm

    ””””No danger to teabag””””

    l agree, wrong flavor.

  85. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 2, 2014 1:24 pm

    I must admit Sunday may not be the day to talk about this but i don’t get ALP supporters re: asylum seekers

    ““The impact of boat arrivals on Australia’s migration program is very small,” he said
    .”

    Based on the monthly figures just before Rudd lost office boat arrivals were numbering 40,000/year which is a significant number and a large % of our total immigration (~200,000). And they may not effect you lot but it means we now take no refugees from UNHCR camps.

    But you don’t care do you.

  86. February 2, 2014 1:42 pm

    ””we now take no refugees from UNHCR camps.””

    ”””But you don’t care do you.””””’

    ls that my Grand Dragon l hear calling me.

  87. public toilet permalink
    February 2, 2014 2:17 pm

    Ambient air temp here just hit 44.3c. Pretty sure that’s a record high for this part of the world.

    The turbine measures T1, the temp of the air it draws, so it is a very accurate indicator.

  88. February 2, 2014 2:41 pm

    Sounds like another round of `frost-bite` for the South-East Dunny.

  89. egg permalink
    February 2, 2014 3:38 pm

    Jet streams acting naturally, due to a quiet sun.

  90. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 2, 2014 3:49 pm

    I know it is Sunday but why are lefties infatuated about AGW?? They are drawn to it like a moth to a flame.

    My only explanation is that when a falsehood is presented lefties flock to it. The bigger the lie the more lefties join in.

  91. February 2, 2014 4:18 pm

    I was merely commenting on a record high temperature where I am, Neil.

    I made no inference to AGW whatsoever.

  92. February 2, 2014 4:21 pm

    ””””My only explanation is””””

    you don`t know `any` explanations

  93. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 2, 2014 4:33 pm

    “My only explanation is that when a falsehood is presented lefties flock to it. The bigger the lie the more lefties join in.”

    You are definitely onto something here, Neil. The climate models have failed utterly, the “scientists” have been exposed as unscientific political hacks and they have resorted to beclowning themselves with shameless publicity stunts gone wrong like the Ship of Fools fiasco. Yet the leftists are doubling down in one final attempt to bluster through with bullshit.

    Or take the dead-enders who oppose having a close look at Unionland corruption and the unions’ (perfectly natural) alliance with organised crime – they obviously care not for their own credibility. They are out in droves, so full of shit it is gushing from every orifice, trying to convince us that the Unionland cesspit smells like roses. It probably does to them, so disconnected from reality they are.

    Or look at the utterly insane ranting because the boats have stopped coming and people have stopped drowning. This is driving them completely nuts. Imagine if Abbott and Morrison actually get this right? Little malformed lefty heads are exploding all over the place.

    It is sad to watch people you would normally respect become blathering idiots as their moral cretinism is flaunted for all to see.

  94. February 2, 2014 4:36 pm

    Of course, moral cretinism is not exclusive to the left.

    And, I said NO FUCKING THING about AGW.

  95. February 2, 2014 4:37 pm

    Now, speaking of moral cretinism from arch moralising petals…

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/02/adelaide-fringe-blasphemous-come-heckle-christ

  96. February 2, 2014 4:53 pm

    “Get their numbers back to the point that attacks are a rarity rather than a regular event.”

    Ho hum.

    Less than 10 people per year out of a (growing) population of 25+million is a rare occurrence. 🙄

  97. February 2, 2014 4:56 pm

    It’s the caveman fear of devourment which has, normally balanced & intelligent, people overreacting so.

    It’s innate & it must be resisted.

  98. February 2, 2014 5:10 pm

    I can’t help but feel some of the rage is somewhat manufactured, pre-processed and inauthentic,
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/02/adelaide-fringe-blasphemous-come-heckle-christ

    at least we stay in character

  99. February 2, 2014 5:18 pm

    ””’It’s the caveman fear of devourment”””’

    and the silly bunts insist on dressing-up as shark food,
    and wear the black suits that make`en look like a seal

  100. egg permalink
    February 2, 2014 5:33 pm

    ‘And, I said NO FUCKING THING about AGW.’

    True and by coincidence its been the hottest weekend in Adelaide since records began.

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 2, 2014 5:37 pm

    Less than 10 people per year out of a (growing) population of 25+million is a rare occurrence.

    In that case so is death due to king hit

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2014 6:42 pm

    but they continued to suffer deprivation because the idea of emigration was unacceptable. Then it became too late.

    They were German citizens — I think you might have missed that point … imagine if people strated smashing eggs, just becaue they were eggs … Australian eggs but eggs … where to go, egg?

    You must also realise that Jews were not popular ANYWHERE in the Christian nations … as I said where to go …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Little Gem

    Imagine if Abbott and Morrison actually get this right?

    Imagine the world really is flat … imagine the moon is made of cheese … imagine there’s no heaven – imagine there’s no hell … imagine …

    “Imagine”

    Imagine there’s no heaven
    It’s easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today…

    Imagine there’s no countries
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace…

    You may say I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will be as one

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world…

    You may say I’m a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one
    I hope someday you’ll join us
    And the world will live as one

    Yep! I’m a dreamer … just not a zombie believer …

  103. egg permalink
    February 2, 2014 7:06 pm

    ‘There was even a moral objection against emigrating. I remember that as a child I sometimes caught the phrase: “Der musste nach Amerika” — that is, “So-and-so had to go to America.” This was said of someone who, perhaps generations ago, emigrated to avoid army service, to evade the police, to escape creditors, or someone who just could not make a living at home.

    ‘In short, the association with emigration was negative; a person “in good standing” did not emigrate. We had been brought up on the precept Bleibe im Lande und nähre dich redlich: “Stay in the land and make an honest living.”

    ‘Ironically, most of us had no idea that this so typically German proverb was nothing but Luther’s translation of a verse from the Hebrew Psalms (37:3). In some families this prejudice against emigration in any form went back to emigrants after the political upheavals of 1815 and 1848, to the very scions of “our crowd” in this country.’

    German Jew

  104. egg permalink
    February 2, 2014 7:17 pm

    ‘where to go, egg?’

    ‘Following World War I, another stream of Jewish immigrants came, and when the Nazis took power in Germany in 1933, many German Jews came to Australia. The Australian government was initially hesitant in permitting entry to the many Jews who wanted to come, but in 1938, it allotted 15,000 visas for “victims of oppression”. Some 7,000 Jews took advantage of the visas before the outbreak of World War II.’

    Wiki

  105. egg permalink
    February 2, 2014 7:23 pm

    ‘Britain was not particularly receptive to Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazi regime in Germany, and the other fascist states of Europe. Approximately 40,000 Jews from Austria and Germany were eventually allowed to settle in Britain before the War, in addition to 50,000 Jews from Italy, Poland, and elsewhere in Eastern Europe.

    ‘Despite the increasingly dire warnings coming from Germany, at the Evian Conference of 1938, Britain refused to allow further Jewish refugees into the country.

    ‘The notable exception allowed by Parliament was the Kindertransport, an effort on the eve of war to transport Jewish children (their parents were not given visas) from Germany to Britain. Around 10,000 children were saved by the Kindertransport, out of a plan to rescue five times that number.’

    Wiki

  106. February 2, 2014 7:26 pm

    lmagine there`s no Teabags.

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 2, 2014 7:27 pm

    5 hours ago….

    Swimmers fled for their lives after a shark alarm forced the evacuation of hundreds of beach-goers from a popular Victorian beach following the sighting of a four-metre shark only 200 metres from the shore.

    Local surf lifesavers said it was more than 20 years since Lorne beach had been evacuated because of a shark.

    Too many of them around at the moment.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/second-shark-sighted-near-anglesea-20140202-31up1.html#ixzz2s9RCEye1

  108. egg permalink
    February 2, 2014 7:27 pm

    ‘In the years before and during World War II the United States Congress, the Roosevelt Administration, and public opinion expressed concern about the fate of Jews in Europe but consistently refused to permit large-scale immigration of Jewish refugees.

    ‘In a report issued by the State Department, Undersecretary of State Stuart Eizenstat noted that the United States accepted only 21,000 refugees from Europe and did not significantly raise or even fill its restrictive quotas, accepting far fewer Jews per capita than many of the neutral European countries and fewer in absolute terms than Switzerland.

    According to David Wyman, “The United States and its Allies were willing to attempt almost nothing to save the Jews.”

    Wiki

  109. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2014 7:38 pm

    Thanks, egg … I rest my case …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Too many of them around at the moment.

    I agree, ToM, on both land and in the sea …

    Personally I avoid the habitat of either …

  110. egg permalink
    February 2, 2014 8:25 pm

    ‘Thanks, egg … I rest my case …’

    Yep, UNHCR was built on the back of collective guilt.

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 2, 2014 8:31 pm

    Second shark sighted near Anglesea

    Swimmers fled for their lives after a shark alarm forced the evacuation of hundreds of beach-goers from a popular Victorian beach following the sighting of a four-metre shark only 200 metres from the shore.

    Only hours after the Lorne sighting, a member of the public reported another shark, this time off the coast of an unpatrolled beach near Anglesea.

    …so that’s 2 in the day, the first headed towards Apollo Bay. Anglesea is in the opposite direction, about 20 kms away.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/second-shark-sighted-near-anglesea-20140202-31up1.html#ixzz2s9gykrcf

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2014 8:37 pm

    Yep, UNHCR was built on the back of collective guilt.

    Do you think that is a problem?

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    February 2, 2014 8:40 pm

    …so that’s 2 in the day, the first headed towards Apollo Bay. Anglesea is in the opposite direction, about 20 kms away.

    Don’t panic, Mr Mannering … don’t panic!

  114. egg permalink
    February 2, 2014 9:11 pm

    ‘Do you think that is a problem?’

    When you think of our failures in Cambodia, Rwanda and Bosnia, (to name a few) it would be better if we reevaluate for the 21st century.

  115. February 2, 2014 9:32 pm

    “In that case so is death due to king hit”

    Yes, that’s right.

    Now, sentience wise, would there be a benefit in implementing punitive measures against a human, who comprehends notions of ‘law’ & ‘deterence’…as opposed to say, a very large carnivorous fish, who probably doesn’t know shit from clay (in regard to such notions, but knows how to snaffle cumbersome bipeds on the very rare occasion which it encounters them in its natural environment).
    In which scenario is a punitive campaign likely to have impact?

    aybe we should kill every drunk fuckwit who goes out on the weekend evenings who happens to be over 6ft2 & weighs more than 100kg? That’ll work…

  116. February 2, 2014 9:41 pm

    “Swimmers fled for their lives ”

    Swimmers need to grow a pair (and a backbone)…

    Like The SHARK!!! was pursuing every one of them with serious intent to maim!!! .

    It was probably a fkn dolphin.

    I just got out of the sea, not an hour ago. While I was in it, I remember thinking how awesome it was, how cool I felt & how it made me feel alive & aware. Not spent treading water shitting myself coz da bad fish might dismember me & my family…or the plebians further down the (unpopulated) beach (where no one would give a fuck about having shark patrols even if a dozen of us got munched up…coz we aren’t a population centre).

    That story is dilute hyperbole, sorry YomM. It says more about the ‘fleeing swimmers’ than any overblown ‘threat’ in the water.
    You hear about ‘sightings’ more now because of social media & media saturation in general. The ‘threat’ is no worse than it ever was, it just gets drummed up more across a wider population because it makes good copy… 🙄

  117. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 2, 2014 10:06 pm

    I think the purpose of measures against the increasing prevalence of the king hit is pubic safety.

    I doubt whether the objective is punishment for it’s own sake.

    It is simply a matter of balance and public safety.
    ========
    I was discussing this issue with a selection of surfer types from the surf coast recently.

    Most were against culling, but I think they’re the types who are very happy to see fewer surfers in the water.

    A shaper (he made 2 of my boards) and has been making them for almost 40 years, preferred fewer sharks.

    I agree with him.

  118. egg permalink
    February 3, 2014 8:00 am

    ‘A majority of people believe the Labor Party should distance itself from the union movement, poll reveals.’

    SMH

  119. egg permalink
    February 3, 2014 8:23 am

    US Drug Law Reform

    ‘…the country that for decades led the world in a war on drugs, often punishing countries that didn’t follow its draconian enforcement policies, is now leading in the opposite direction. The war on drugs is seen as a failure and the cannabis business is beginning to bloom over its grave. Grassroots activism is pushing the U.S. into a new era of tolerance.

    ‘The payoff is big. Colorado estimates it earned about $1.8 million U.S. in taxes in the first week of retail sales and predicts at least $70 million U.S. in tax revenue this year. Consider the additional savings in law enforcement and prosecutions (the U.S. arrests one pot smoker every 37 seconds, according to FBI statistics) plus the steep annual licence fees, and it is no wonder 14 other states, plus Washington, D.C., are contemplating similar legalization laws.’

    News

  120. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 3, 2014 9:23 am

    The Age – ”A majority of people believe the Labor Party should distance itself from the union movement, according to an exclusive national poll.

    Many people in and out of the ALP have had this view for 20 years or more. Unions (or more particularly – the officials who run then) are now a drag on the ALP, the shady dealings of those involved in construction and mining, and to a lesser extent, manufacturing, bring their practices to internal politics. It poisons the alignment and ethics of the party.

    Effectively, the only mechanism to obtain preselection these days is thorough the union club, and that club has a hopelessly narrow focus, its orientation is combative and its leadership is now compromised and tainted.

    Proof that the unions now hinder the electoral chances of the ALP is Bill Shorten.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/alps-union-ties-under-fire-20140202-31vap.html#ixzz2sCnPhhJX

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 3, 2014 9:25 am

    …and the headline could equally have been “Only 1 in 4 still think the ALP should retain union links”

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2014 11:01 am

    TRUTH! JUSTICE! AND YOUTUBE!

    TONY Abbott may claim he’s “delivered on his promise”, but over the weekend a glitch on video site YouTube meant his message was taken down for ‘deceptive content’.

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/youtube-suspends-prime-minister-tony-abbotts-youtube-account/story-fn5j66db-1226816451591

  123. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 3, 2014 12:24 pm

    “Of course, moral cretinism is not exclusive to the left.

    And, I said NO FUCKING THING about AGW.”

    Clearly my comments weren’t directed at you TBoss. Clearly you are not a leftist as you usually think for yourself and don’t appear to be afraid where that might lead.

    “A majority of people believe the Labor Party should distance itself from the union movement, poll reveals.”

    Not going to happen while the Unions control the ALP, egg. That is precisely why Gillard was able to stab Rudd and while that sleazy buffoon Shorten is now leader. It is just business as usual in Unionland.

  124. egg permalink
    February 3, 2014 1:45 pm

    ‘Not going to happen while the Unions control the ALP’

    Then they are rooned. A decade in the wilderness should bring the party to its senses.

    AlboAlboAlbo

  125. February 3, 2014 1:45 pm

    ””””””’so is death due to king hit””””””

    yeah, sharks are nibbling AND `king-hitting`

    #suckitup.princess

  126. February 3, 2014 1:51 pm

    #Mr-Rabbit #YouTube

    ”””’taken down for ‘deceptive content’.”””””’

    that`s fcuking hilarious TB,

    also a bit surprised Limited-news is running it, as it doesn`t show their-boy in the best possible light

    (the reddit blog had some funny comments too)

  127. February 3, 2014 2:12 pm

    ””””’Only hours after the Lorne sighting,”””””’
    teabag panic,
    .
    ””””’reported another shark,””””Anglesea.”””’
    more teabag panic,
    .
    victorias teabag-media seem to be whipping-up a bit of `unsubstantial` panic among the bogans,

    number of victorias bogans nibbled #zero

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 3, 2014 2:29 pm

    For an indolent, fat layabout, you’ve certainly got plenty of opinions about the leisure and sporting activities of others.

  129. February 3, 2014 2:30 pm

    Wow. After reviewing the whole thread,

    somebody is doing considerable panty-wetting over `toothed-fish`,

    Somebody should grow a couple.

  130. egg permalink
    February 3, 2014 2:37 pm

    They should also lift the ban on killing crocs near swimming holes and I don’t care if they have been in this country millions of years before humans.

  131. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 3, 2014 2:44 pm

    Wow. After reviewing the whole thread… you still don’t have any informed opinions or rational contribution to make.

    Perhaps try your other activity…sitting on the couch with your best friend – the remote control.

  132. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 3, 2014 3:13 pm

    The story is the boats, not the ABC:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-03/sunderland-the-story-is-the-boats-not-the-abc/5233954

  133. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 3, 2014 3:18 pm

    They should also lift the ban on killing crocs near swimming holes and I don’t care if they have been in this country millions of years before humans.

    Why not stay at home and feel safe, don’t venture out into the big scary unknown.
    Or, there’s always the local swimming pools, they are perfectly suited to people who are afraid of encounters with creatures in their natural environments.

  134. egg permalink
    February 3, 2014 3:21 pm

    Aboriginal kids have always swum in waterholes, it seems only right that they should be protected from these prehistoric beasts.

  135. egg permalink
    February 3, 2014 3:24 pm

    And aunty should be broken-up and sold off, or merged with SBS to cut costs. Wally’s earlier comment that the regional wings should be retained is a reasonable suggestion.

  136. February 3, 2014 4:10 pm

    Alpo: — 03 Feb 2014 11:02:23am —
    What’s the “bias” John? What’s the “crap”?… What’s your definition of journalism in a Democracy, John?… Abbott is perfectly entitled to lie, hide information, manipulate if he wishes, the ABC has a duty to seek, probe, ask and get answers… that’s why we, the taxpayers, pay them!
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-03/sunderland-the-story-is-the-boats-not-the-abc/5233954

    the mouth-breathers are everywhere l guess armchair,
    .
    ”””””””””””’And aunty should be broken-up and sold off, or merged with SBS to cut costs.””””

    it must be true coz bolts mindless dills always chant it

  137. egg permalink
    February 3, 2014 4:18 pm

    Yeah, well they would. Honest, its just a coincidence.

  138. Walrus permalink
    February 3, 2014 4:18 pm

    “Wally’s earlier comment that the regional wings should be retained is a reasonable suggestion.”

    Actually Egg I think the Regional Wings should be strengthened.

    There’s too much content directed to the latte sipping Inner City Luvvies .

    The ABC is obsessed with Climate Change, Gay Marriage and Child Molestation.

    Power prices, agricultural, drought news etc never gets mentioned

  139. Walrus permalink
    February 3, 2014 4:22 pm

    “………the ABC has a duty to seek, probe, ask and get answers…”

    No one denies that.

    But it would be good to see that applied to the ABC as it seeks a response from the Navy before running what turns out to be a reporter’s bullshit

  140. egg permalink
    February 3, 2014 4:22 pm

    Could be right about strengthening the rural wings, but then I’m biased.

    What’s happening at Fairfax?

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/turnback-policy-will-stop-the-boats-says-people-smuggler-20140203-31wjk.html#ixzz2sEM5oVkm

  141. February 3, 2014 4:27 pm

    ”””””””’Power prices, agricultural, drought news etc never gets mentioned””””””’

    Absolutely WRONG.

    ls that teh-ipa/bolt/ Mr-Rabbit/teabag talk-point this week.?

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 3, 2014 5:23 pm

    But it would be good to see that applied to the ABC as it seeks a response from the Navy before running what turns out to be a reporter’s bullshit

    From the same article:

    …The ABC reported the allegations after first seeking a response. Then, when the response came, we reported those denials prominently and for some time the matter rested there. Then, some weeks later, video evidence emerged. This too was reported.

    Behind the scenes, the ABC’s journalists kept probing. Our contacts on the ground in Indonesia were strong, and we worked them relentlessly. We travelled to where the asylum seekers were and sought as many different accounts as we could. We reached out to all of our contacts in Australia, including among the armed forces, to get information from as many sources as possible. And at every possible opportunity we sought official information on the details of precisely what happened…

    Sounds like they went to great lengths to get at the truth to me.

    If you have an official silence from your own navy and government, you have to investigate to get to the truth.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-22/australian-navy-accused-of-beating-burning-asylum-seekers/5211996

    “…Earlier this month, Mr Morrison confirmed Australian sailors were no longer personally liable for what is done under Operation Sovereign Borders…”

  143. Walrus permalink
    February 3, 2014 6:13 pm

    “Sounds like they went to great lengths to get at the truth to me.”

    Crap……………….they didn’t wait for a Navy response they just reported it immediately.

    “Our contacts on the ground in Indonesia were strong, and we worked them relentlessly”

    Like who ?

    The Indo military, the pissed off asylum seekers who have just blown their $10K ?

    Oh yeah really impartial NOT

  144. February 3, 2014 6:18 pm

    ””Sounds like they went to great lengths to get at the truth””’

    yeah me too armchair, but that`s never good enough if it doesn`t match the chanting our dills prefer, who needs those annoying things like `facts` or `truth`, and how dare anybody present anything to the public that doesn`t totally benefit some billionaire cnut

  145. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 3, 2014 6:32 pm

    Well it didn’t take long (4 months) After years of locking up record numbers of asylum seekers and record numbers of children we now are to have an investigation now the Coalition is in power.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australian-human-rights-commission-orders-inquiry-into-children-in-detention-20140203-31vni.html

    Australia’s Human Rights Commission has launched a national inquiry into children in detention, following concerns about the health and wellbeing of ”unprecedented” numbers of children ”living behind the wire”.

    Where was Gillian Triggs when the ALP was locking up record numbers of people?????

  146. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 3, 2014 7:27 pm

    Where was Gillian Triggs when the ALP was locking up record numbers of people?????

    This might go some way to explain this Neil of Sydney

    Professor Triggs also said that in recent months, the commission had only had ”minimal co-operation (from the immigration department) in relation to the kinds of details that I need to know, particularly mental health and self harm, and the processes for assessing those that are transferred”.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australian-human-rights-commission-orders-inquiry-into-children-in-detention-20140203-31vni.html#ixzz2sFHeXERE

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2014 7:45 pm

    TREASURER Joe Hockey has warned that the age of entitlement is over and it was time for all Australians to do their fair share of heavy lifting.

    Making clear taxpayer hand-outs are now under tough restrictions, Mr Hockey told ABC Radio that the age of personal responsibility has begun.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/joe-hockey-warns-australians-the-age-of-entitlement-is-over/story-e6frflo9-1226816598949

    I do hope that Mr Hockey also considers the taxpayer handouts to past (and present) politicians … particularly the extremely generous superannuation payments, the gold pass travel cards … the silly “study tours” trips overseas …

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/full-list-of-federal-mps-entitlements-20090521-bh0v.html

    Greed is good … for some …

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    February 3, 2014 7:49 pm

    Ooops … forgot the … Parental Leave Scheme …

    http://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2013/08/18/tony-abbott-coalitions-paid-parental-leave-scheme

    Mum’s just have to pull their weight too (‘scuse the pun) just like all the generations before the X Gen …

    Hockey and the Libs want Back to the Future but they’ve never been there …

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 3, 2014 8:20 pm

    I haven’t followed the politics of Thailand at all, but I’d be interested in the layperson’s opinion of-

    • Sympathetic reporting here by news agencies of a group that is disrupting an (apparently) democratic election
    • Why there doesn’t seem to be much condemnation of the group that is trying to force a military takeover
    • Why some people in Bangkok feel their vote is more important than those in regional areas

    Is there an explanation?

  150. February 3, 2014 8:23 pm

    ””’like all the generations before the X Gen””’

    that`s an impoverished statement TB,

    especially as the `me` generation is clearly the boomers,
    take a look at the likes of John-W, got all the benefits of `public`university to help him climb the economic ladder, then pulled the ladder up after him so the younger generations can`t follow, under user-pays teabagery,

    of course x-gens in power, just like boomers in power, are doing all the trough-snouting they can get away with, but you should remember most of `any` generation has little-to-zero power

  151. February 3, 2014 8:32 pm

    ”””(apparently) democratic election”””’
    but aren`t they all yomm,
    .
    ””’some people in Bangkok North-Shore feel their vote is more important than””’
    .
    so-called `democracy` is only any good when it delivers `equitably` to `all` citizens, we only need to recall the amount of folks that didn`t even bother to enroll in the 2013/Fed election, who can blame`em,

  152. egg permalink
    February 3, 2014 8:35 pm

    This might explain the fundamentals.

    ‘Yingluck’s Pheu Thai Party won office after winning a landslide victory in 2011. The crushing victory was accomplished on the backs of rural and working-class voters drawn to the party’s largely successful populist policies of the past. The resurgence of the Shinawatra political machine has incensed the opposition — an elite mix of establishment politicians, aristocrats and old-guard tycoons — which claims that Pheu Thai is the latest in a series of proxy parties actually run by Thaksin and which rely on a rigged system to stay in power.

    ‘With little possibility of winning at the polls, Suthep and PDRC have eschewed elections and instead promoted a radical agenda of boycotting the ballot box in favor of a “people’s council” that would oversee reforms to purge corruption before any elections take place. Suthep’s strategy has rallied Bangkok’s upper and middle classes, who feel their traditional control of the country is slipping. But the obstruction of the democratic process has angered the many rural and working-class voters who support Pheu Thai and the electoral process as whole.’

    Read more: Elections Expose an Increasingly Bitter Divide in Thailand | TIME.com http://world.time.com/2014/02/02/elections-expose-an-increasingly-bitter-divide-in-thailand/#ixzz2sFYmfgrR

  153. February 3, 2014 9:48 pm

    Sawadee Kap Mother fuckers!

    I’m at Bangkok airport waiting for a connecting flight to Penang.

    I’ll be back in Bangkok next week for a few nights…

    People are saying, with their feeble little blubbering lower lips “oh but aren’t you worried about the riots and all that violence and the instability and all that…?””

    To my mind, these people haven’t lived.

    Let’s face it. Only a few people have been shot dead so far, and with 17 million people in Bangkok at any given time is it any wonder that some of them are going to have a close encounter with a stray bullet at some point in time?

    Oddly enough, I don’t have any plans to do anything outlandish on this trip. Which makes a change from my younger days when I’d be game to drink snake’s blood and basically any other concoction that was put in front of me.

    My partner, on the other hand is determined to eat barbecued insects on this trip.

    I think he got the idea from a recent Rick Stein episode.

    Frankly I think he’s lost the plot.

    WTF would you eat a grilled grasshopper when there’s a perfectly good grilled chicken or better still skewered barracuda on a stick?

  154. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 3, 2014 10:15 pm

    I haven’t followed the politics of Thailand at all, but I’d be interested in the layperson’s opinion of-

    I found it confusing at first too tomM.

    It seemed to be explained better when I heard that the ‘red shirts’ are the ones who want the existing democratically elected Yingluck Shinawatra govt to continue, she was elected in a landslide a couple of years ago following army coup and rule.

    The middle class of bangkok and the southern region don’t like that the govt gives money [low interest loans] and implements policies to assist the poorer regional majority. They say that Yingluck Shinawatra is just a puppet for her exiled brother, the former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra who was also very popular.

    These city elite have been raging violent demonstrations against the govt, who they refuse to accept. They are aligned with the army and have now forced the govt into this new election.

    I have read that Yingluck Shinawatra’s support is rock solid and she is expected to win the new election, so there will likely be more ructions to come and another army coup is possible.

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/world/a/21086837/thai-red-shirt-heartland-backs-government-despite-rice-fiasco/

    The red shirts say they will not allow the army to seize power, they will divide the country if necessary.

    Have fun reb!

  155. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 3, 2014 10:24 pm

    Thanks AO.

    That’s kind of how I understood it, and I struggle with the lack of media scrutiny of protesters who are aligned with the military, who seek to oust a democratic government.

    There is little reporting of their actual agenda.
    ——–
    Have fun reb! Are you going to wear a red or yellow shirt?

  156. egg permalink
    February 3, 2014 10:31 pm

    If the farmers join the middle class its curtains for democracy. Enjoy your stay Reb.

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 3, 2014 11:39 pm

  158. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 3, 2014 11:47 pm

    Senior nun decries way Catholic church views women
    http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2061401/senior-nun-decries-way-catholic-church-views-women/

  159. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2014 6:29 am

    “This might go some way to explain this Neil of Sydney

    Really?? Have a read of this

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/child-detention-study-two-years-too-late-says-gillian-triggs/story-fn9hm1gu-1226817109064#

    “But Professor Triggs said the agency had only “limited resources” and Ms Branson had decided a report into Indonesian people-smugglers who had been imprisoned as minors should be commissioned.

    That report was released in July 2012 but then, according to Professor Triggs, she decided not to pursue a formal inquiry into children in detention because the nation was heading into an election year, even though she considered the PNG solution and the no-advantage asylum policies egregious breaches of our human rights obligations.

    The usual suspects only come out when the Coalition is in power. Not when the ALP was locking up record numbers of asylum seekers.

  160. egg permalink
    February 4, 2014 7:13 am

    ‘BILL Shorten has closed ranks with the union movement in the political brawl over industry assistance, dismissing fears that high pay rates are putting manufacturers at risk as he accuses Tony Abbott of plotting a “witch-hunt” against construction unions. Demanding federal aid for troubled fruit processor SPC Ardmona, the Opposition Leader backed the company’s controversial workplace deal in the face of government warnings at the “astounding” concessions offered to workers.’

    Oz

  161. egg permalink
    February 4, 2014 7:20 am

    Labor will no doubt spend a decade in the wilderness.

    ‘THE nation’s conservative premiers are backing an unprecedented trade drive into Asia as Tony Abbott prepares for the first time to showcase to the international community the economic benefits of wall-to-wall Coalition governments. The Abbott government has set a timetable for the nation’s premiers to attend a trade mission, headed by the Prime Minister, to China, Japan and South Korea in April.’

    Oz

    The free trade agreement is happening in a hurry.

  162. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 4, 2014 8:43 am

    “The usual suspects only come out when the Coalition is in power. Not when the ALP was locking up record numbers of asylum seekers.”

    This typifies the leftist hardball approach to politics, colonising supposedly independent publicly funded institutions and politicising them in the service of their totalitarian agenda. No wonder politics is becoming so divisive. It is time to flush these intellectual pygmies down the sewer of history.

  163. Walrus permalink
    February 4, 2014 9:08 am

    It’s reported in the Oz yesterday that SPC workers get 9 weeks annual leave per year plus 5 days off during Melbourne Cup week, and 104 weeks redundancy pay.

    And the hand is out for $25M

    Coca Cola Amatil and the SPC workers themselves can go and get well and truly fucked.

    If Management and Unions want to sign joint suicide notes written into an EBA then so be it.

    SPC can just go back to being a farmers cooperative like Murray Goulburn Dairy is

  164. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 4, 2014 10:16 am

    Walrus family: Father, musical daughter and <golfing son.

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2014 10:27 am

    Cracks in the wall …

    GOVERNMENT backbencher Sharman Stone has accused the Prime Minister and Employment Minister of misrepresenting the troubles at struggling fruit canner SPC Ardmona.

    She says the problems have nothing to do with generous employment conditions.

    Senior government figures, including Tony Abbott, Eric Abetz and Treasurer Joe Hockey, have hit out at “astounding” workers’ conditions at SPC, which reportedly include nine weeks of paid leave including a five-day Melbourne Cup long weekend.

    The government has cited the company’s overgenerous enterprise agreement with workers as one reason for turning down a request for $25 million to help upgrade facilities at its regional Victorian plant.

    But Dr Stone, the local Liberal MP, lashed out at claims the enterprise agreement was responsible for SPC’s woes, saying it had already undergone a “massive” restructuring.

    Asked if Mr Abbott and Mr Abetz were lying about their reasons for refusing the assistance she said: “You could use the words you like”.

    “But what they explained as the reason for not supporting SPCA – which was basically awards and conditions – was about focusing on unions, it wasn’t about the realities of the last standing fruit-preserving industry,” the Murray MP told ABC Radio.

    Ms Stone said SPC would soon publish details of the 2012 enterprise agreement.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbott-eric-abetz-misrepresenting-spc-ardmona-says-liberal-mp-sharman-stone/story-fncynjr2-1226817309652

    I reckong Abbott should have a weekly Confessional with the nation just to get the lying and cheating and deciet off his chest … rather than talking to one priest!

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2014 10:33 am

    Sawadee Kap Mother fuckers!

    Enjoy …

    Hang on for a few weeks and we’ll buy ya a beer!

    I reckon the BBQ crickets cam from Luke Ngyen’s show Ricky was in India looking for the perfect currrrrrie …

  167. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2014 10:47 am

    From Sev Ozdowski

    Yesterday the Australian Human Rights Commission has announced the second inquiry into the human rights of children in immigration detention……………………Between 2002 and 2004 I as the Australian Human Rights Commissioner have conducted the first inquiry…………..In response the Howard Government released all children and their families from immigration detention few months later.
    Certainly the repetition of my inquiry is the highest form of flattery but timing is very odd. When the boats were arriving in large numbers and Labor was at its peak of cruelty towards the boat arrivals AHRC almost did not see the problem and the newly appointed Children Rights Commissioner was proclaiming that her jurisdiction is limited to domestic matters
    .”

  168. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 4, 2014 11:05 am

    The colonisation of public institutions by the left and their use to pursue their idiot political agenda is a serious assault on the democratic process. Time to get out the Ratsak.

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2014 11:44 am

    Funny that I recall Rudd being castigated by his own for leaving alone a decade of Howard Liberal loading of senior public servant slots for a decade …

    And this from the let’s leave everything in the ’50’s brigade … long live the empire and all that … wot!

    Chuckle …

  170. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 4, 2014 11:49 am

    “Funny that I recall Rudd being castigated by his own for leaving alone a decade of Howard Liberal loading of senior public servant slots not stacking the public service with even more Unionland hacks …”

    There. Fixed it for ya.

    I guess they were well satisfied with the job the did with Fair Work Australia and abolishing the ABCC.

  171. Meta permalink
    February 4, 2014 12:30 pm

    (Even a brewskie is political in the Land of Smiles, apparently: Singha Beer Is for Condescending Urban Elitists, Say Thai Boycotters. Although, one can only guess now at a suitable replacement for washing down regional food fares which have made their ways to the sidestreets of the bigsmoke frequented by underdocumented, underpaid, under-cosmetically-whitened yokels from same or similar NE region.)

  172. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 4, 2014 2:19 pm

    It’s reported in the Oz yesterday

    I think calling it “reporting” is a misnomer

    SPC Ardmona employees get 20 days annual leave, not nine weeks.

  173. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2014 2:25 pm

    A good read and says a lot about australians today

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/04/the-politics-of-class-warfare-from-sydney-to-washington-the-gulf-is-deepening?CMP=twt_gu

    …In reality, the affluent rail against a cost of living-really-well-crisis: the cost of owning a house, a negatively geared investment property and funding three kids in private schools. Take for example politician Joel Fitzgibbon, who last year issued an impassioned cri de coeur on behalf of the “battlers” of his electorate earning $250,000 per annum. Oh, and he is a Labor politician…

  174. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2014 2:31 pm

    The oz will never miss a chance to sink the slipper into a unionised workforce.

    You know what I’d love to see?

    The workers using their entitlements [if they get any] to part own the enterprise, run it themselves and share the profits.

    I’s like to see that in all businesses though.

  175. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 4, 2014 2:35 pm

    “The workers using their entitlements [if they get any] to part own the enterprise, run it themselves and share the profits.”

    We’d all like to see them put their money on the line and take the same risk as other shareholders. They might think twice then about driving businesses into the ground with blatantly extortionate demands and standover tactics.

  176. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2014 2:39 pm

    yeah, whatever, don’t you bother your mind with anything other than unions = baddies, business = goodies.

  177. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 4, 2014 2:52 pm

    with blatantly extortionate demands and standover tactics.

    Like nine weeks leave?

  178. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 4, 2014 2:52 pm

    Yeah, whatever – All you can think is to turn a blind eye to the Unionland alliance with organised crime. You are so terrified that any serious investigation will play better for Abbott than for the crooks that you have lost all sense of decency.

    We have already seen that corruption in Unioland goes all the way to the top, with a recent President of the ALP awaiting sentencing for corruption. Someone needs to shine a light into this vile cesspit – and you want to keep us all in the dark!!! At least you are on the same page as the Bandidos with this one.

  179. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2014 3:09 pm

    Get your hand off it, I’m not terrified at all sb, what have I got to be terrified about?
    I’m not involved in any illegal activities. Do you really think that I spend my day worried about political shit fights? It’s just more of the same with these two major parties. I want a change from all of that, I want to see the end of the shenanigans of both labor and liberal. They are two sides of the same coin, both corrupt. I would like to see their demise.

    I say, come what may, but the RC should be balanced and fair, looking at the players on both sides, so far, I can’t see that it will be.

  180. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 4, 2014 3:13 pm

    what have I got to be terrified about?

    Why are you hysterically shrieking about a Royal Commission when the terms of reference have not been released and where the government has said it will look at both sides?

  181. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2014 3:29 pm

    Tony Abbott says grant was only for re-establishing chocolate tour – contradicting a pre-election Liberal party press release

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/feb/03/cadbury-cash-radically-different-to-spc-ardmona-funding-request-says-pm

    Is that another *cough…lie?
    Not that the reporter would be so rude as to point it out, best say a contradiction lest she be accused of being unaustralian.

    And lib supporters don’t want to be confronted with any hyprocrisy about LIES and LYING LIARS do they? or the consequences of FTAs and neoliberal economics.

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/feb/03/pm-is-blaming-the-bloke-on-the-forklift-for-spcs-woes-shorten-says

    [sharman stone] “The government is scapegoating the company … denigrating a good company … and trying to link it to a witch-hunt against the unions rather than face up to the real problems which are the continuing high dollar, the failure of our anti-dumping regime and the failure to properly safety test competing products that come in from overseas.”…

  182. February 4, 2014 4:43 pm

    Coca-Cola Amatil, which owns SPC Ardmona, was an “incredibly successful” and “profitable” company but “even by their own admission they haven’t run it properly”.

    .

    The bottom line for us is they were asking the taxpayers for $50m to buy new plant and equipment … so Coca-Cola Amatil could make a larger profit,” Hockey said,
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/feb/03/pm-is-blaming-the-bloke-on-the-forklift-for-spcs-woes-shorten-says

    .
    this is how l feel about coke`s bludging

  183. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2014 4:55 pm

    Why do the lefties always link to a pommy newspaper???

  184. February 4, 2014 4:56 pm

    Sawadee Kap back at`ya Mother fucker!

    Enjoy ya`trip to Penang reb,

    by the time you read this you will have left the Bangkok airport,

    after eating the chicken, drinking some wine and eventually eating the grasshopper.

    Before ya`leave you may have found that democracy can be fun with fire-power, but keep ya`bloody head down.

  185. February 4, 2014 5:49 pm

    ””””””””””’It’s reported in the Oz yesterday that SPC workers get 9 weeks annual leave per year plus 5 days off during Melbourne Cup week, and 104 weeks redundancy pay.”””””

    These platinum-plated fruit manglers are on $300 an hour and go onto double-time after 7am, other juiced-up benefits they receive also includes trips to interstate whore-houses on the coca-cola credit card.

  186. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2014 6:00 pm

    Essential: Importance of unions

    http://essentialvision.com.au/importance-of-unions-5

    …The majority of respondents regarded unions to be important for Australian working people today (61%), whilst 30% believe that they were not important. These results represent an increase in importance of unions since this question was asked in December – from net +23 to +31…

  187. February 4, 2014 7:27 pm

    By the way we flew Qantas from Melbourne to Sydney with a connecting Qantas to Bangkok.

    Can we check in our bags all the way to Bangkok?

    Why yes sir of course, no problem.

    And then when we arrived in Bangkok, guess what only one of our suitcases made it on to the Sydney to Bangkok flight.

    And then of course, we had a connecting flight from Bangkok to Penang on Thai airways.

    So it looks like Qantas has totally fucked us.

  188. egg permalink
    February 4, 2014 8:17 pm

    Not a good start.

  189. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 4, 2014 8:25 pm

    Why do the lefties always link to a pommy newspaper?

    Because the Australian ones can’t get simple facts correct perhaps?

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/01/31/rostrum-friday-drinks-and-jokes-edition/#comment-43731

    this is how l feel about coke`s bludging

    You’re still basing your assumption on what the PM has said? Really? Even after his lies have been so easily exposed. Perhaps seek the truth first, then form an opinion

    This package, as would have been the Holden assistance package, been more likened to an investment than a handout. It is a clear case of Penny Wise but Pound foolish, and of ideology over-riding the good of the country

    Is that, in itself, a reason to give SPCA’s parent Coca-Cola Amatil a $25 million free kick? In theory no, but in practice the welfare, retraining and lost tax revenue of those workers quickly makes it a cost to the federal budget bottom line, not a saving.

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/1/31/agribusiness/rogue-liberal-spills-beans-spca?utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=570271&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt

  190. February 4, 2014 8:41 pm

    Not quite JJ, coke is saying upgrade,
    meaning more robotic/automation which will more than likely remove 2/3rds of the jobs anyhow. Billion dollar bludgers can go jump.

  191. February 4, 2014 8:55 pm

    ”””’it looks like Qantas has totally fucked us”””’

    When l see the prick running the joint, this doesn`t surprise me.

    Hope you end up getting important (if-any) bags back minimum, don`t want to lose `irreplacable` stuff, not that losing anything is good. Maybe you can twist their nuts for future free flight for fcuking you guys about.

  192. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 4, 2014 9:05 pm

    which will more than likely remove 2/3rds of the jobs anyhow

    Of direct factory workers, maybe, perhaps, or not

    But what about all of the other workers and farmers?

  193. February 4, 2014 9:09 pm

    ”””””’But what about all of the other workers and farmers?””””””’

    none of that is cokes responsibility, neither here nor there

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2014 9:11 pm

    I jave always admired consistent leadership in both business (including unions) and politics …

    IT’S the election campaign chockie indulgence which has come back to bite the Government’s attempts to put Australians on a spending diet.

    And it’s a story which shows that the end of the “age of entitlement” announced yesterday by the Government is conditional on whether votes are being pursued.

    In late August last year the then Opposition Leader Tony Abbott promised $16 million for the overhaul of a Cadbury chocolates factory in Tasmania.

    “Occasionally, I think it is necessary to offer help and let’s not forget that this money is going to result in $50 million of private investment, a significant expansion in production, a significant expansion in exports and a very significant expansion in employment,” said the man who soon would change his tune when he became Prime Minister.

    At the time shadow treasurer Joe Hockey was asked at the National Press Club: “How can voters believe that we’re in these perilous economic times, when we have to be tough on what we spend, when you guys are out there pork barrelling so merrily?”

    Mr Hockey replied: “I want to make a confession to the Australian people today: I’m a sucker for chocolate, right? And even you journos are a sucker for chocolate.

    “The thing about the Cadbury’s factory is, it’s been a tourism icon in Hobart and it was effectively closed down, as I understand it, because of problems with occupational health and safety.

    This mob shuffle from one fkn foot to the other … and constantly trip themselves up … WHER IS THE PLAN promised before the non-policy election …

    All we need now is a leadership spill by Turnbull and we are back to 19010 oops 2010 …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/pm-tony-abbott-pressed-to-explain-why-money-to-save-cadbury-jobs-denied-to-spc-ardmona/story-e6frflo9-1226817435691

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    We’d all like to see them put their money on the line and take the same risk as other shareholders.

    sb, I know you aren’t stupid so why the silly Unions BOO! statements all the time?

    Employees risk their livelihood everyday … often based on management decisions … the workforce and management work as a team in many successful organisations … companies are managed by managers – NOT employees or unions … although in Germany the inclusion of elected workforce members to company boards has been a huge success for decades now … Harley Davidson is also a classic “ask the guys on the floor” success turnaround … you may know that it almost failed some years ago … but it needs qualified, trained, experienced management teams to facilitate the turn around … and involvemnet of workforce ideas and suggestions …

    Most start up businesses fail in the first 12 months (50%) last time I checked … then another 50% the next year … and the next … a business cannot call itself “established” until its been around for seven years … and most fail because the owners are good at their “special skill’ but have no management nor administrative expertise …

    Medium and large business suffer the same shortage of management and admin expertise … and it costs to engage outside experts … so they don’t … and … fail … I guess they have to balame something … the awards and the unions are always a good start …

    Unions ensure that employees get their correct entitlements … I’ve now been involved in three cases of family members being cheated by their employees … one from each generation of my family …

    When we talk or greed, corruption and stealing in business none of us side with the perpetrators … to “blame” the general employee populations and hardworking union reps for the awful crimes of greedy union leaders is wrong …

    Its like saying all pollies are crooks

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2014 9:15 pm

    So it looks like Qantas has totally fucked us.

    Those fkn unions, sreb!

    I’d call Mr Joyce … is he still there?

    Enjoy … regards to whatsisname … 🙂 “cricket” ? 😯

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2014 9:26 pm

    SPECIAL DELIVERY – SPLATTERBUM

    ABC admits mistakes were made in its reporting of claims that asylum seekers were mistreated by Australian Navy personnel

    http://www.news.com.au/national/abc-admits-mistakes-were-made-in-its-reporting-of-claims-that-asylum-seekers-were-mistreated-by-australian-navy-personnel/story-fncynjr2-1226817935984

    You’ll only need one sleeping pill tonight, sb … 🙂

  197. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 4, 2014 9:31 pm

    coke is saying upgrade

    I thought they were re-tooling for different packaging, which might reduce or might increase the workforce?

    none of that is cokes responsibility, neither here nor there

    But the people who may or may not lose their job is the Governments responsibilty, whether they like it or not

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2014 9:31 pm

    What a bunch of hypocrites anyone would think the catliks were running the country … 🙄

    STRUGGLING fruit canner SPC Ardmona today undermined the Government’s blistering attack on its apparently generous working conditions.

    Senior government officials had claimed the workforce had nine weeks’ leave a year. The company said the actual figure was 20 days.

    The Government said the workers were paid a loading on top of overtime. The company said almost zero overtime is paid. An agreement for cashing in sick leave ended in 2012.

    According to the Government the workers received a generous wet allowance. In fact, no wet allowance was paid in 2012.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/spc-ardmona-rejects-abbott-governments-blistering-attack-on-working-conditions/story-fncynjr2-1226817781267

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2014 9:35 pm

    More Abbott & The Acolyts hidden secrecy …

    Former minister Stephen Conroy says contractor Visionstream was invited to speak in-camera to the committee but declined because of its contract with NBN Co.

    “What we’re seeing is an increased level of secrecy from Mr Turnbull,” Senator Conroy told reporters in Hobart, where a committee hearing was taking place on Tuesday.

    “Malcolm Turnbull can release Visionstream from that contractual promise.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/turnbull-denies-gagging-nbn-contractor/story-e6frfku9-1226817803060

    I keep waiting for Tony Abbott’s version of Mein Kampf in the mail …

  200. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2014 9:49 pm

    “I keep waiting for Tony Abbott’s version of Mein Kampf in the mail …”

    Didn’t take long did it.

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2014 9:52 pm

    Didn’t take long did it.

    Have you got yours alrady, Kneel …

    Of course the Young Liberals would get a signed copy from der Fuhrer … 🙄

  202. February 4, 2014 10:14 pm

    ”””’I thought they were re-tooling”””’

    same thing, `retool`=`upgrade`
    .
    ”””might reduce or might increase the workforce?””

    very highly likely `will-reduce-workforce`
    .
    ”””’their job is the Governments responsibilty,””’

    bullshit, govts of both flavor have flogged off `gold-medal` assets `we` owned, chanting govt shouldn`t be in business,

    cadbury/coke/bludgers are private business, nothing to do with govt,

  203. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 4, 2014 10:29 pm

    “Senior government officials had claimed the workforce had nine weeks’ leave a year. The company said the actual figure was 20 days.

    Is it not possible for both statements to be true?? SPC workers may only get 20 days of annual leave which is normal but if you add up annual leave, RDO’s, Public Holidays, Food Preservers Picnic Day, Five Day Melbourne Cup Weekend they may get 9 weeks paid leave.

    If it was me i would give SPC the $25M since it is such a small amount of money and then tell them no more.

  204. February 4, 2014 10:33 pm

    The wording around the ABC’s initial reporting needed to be more precise on that point. We regret if our reporting led anyone to mistakenly assume that the ABC supported the asylum seekers’ claims. The ABC has always presented the allegations as just that – claims worthy of further investigation.
    http://about.abc.net.au/press-releases/abc-statement/

    .
    Glad my ABC finally came to their senses and stopped sounding like Limited-News.

  205. February 4, 2014 10:52 pm

    Look what l found.

  206. February 4, 2014 11:49 pm

    Hey Kneel..Not even his own party believes this fairy tale of propaganda from the new directorate of fascists… http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-mp-sharman-stone-accuses-tony-abbott-and-joe-hockey-of-lying-over-spc-ardmonas-workplace-agreement-20140204-31y52.html

  207. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 5, 2014 12:20 am

    SPC workers may only get 20 days of annual leave which is normal but if you add up annual leave, RDO’s, Public Holidays, Food Preservers Picnic Day, Five Day Melbourne Cup Weekend they may get 9 weeks paid leave.

    How do you get 9 weeks out of a monthly RDO and some public holidays? A long weekend is not an extra week.

    Everybody else in the population gets public holidays and picnic day and melbourne cup day is a vic public holiday isn’t it? Do you expect these people to have less conditions than other aussie workers?

    RDOs are for extra hours worked, only one per month and it is because they work 40hrs per week instead of the normal 38 hr week. It is not an extra day paid to them for nothing, it is a day they’ve already earned by working an extra 2 hrs/week and not claimed as overtime.

    These workers don’t seem to be enjoying any more days off than anyone else.

  208. February 5, 2014 12:34 am

    Our savior Mr-Rabbit who only gets about $8000 a week reckons those can-stuffers should not be allowed to gross $1000 a week coz `downward`jealousy is `core` to being a teabag, so we must chant this mindlessly. Cue Dumpty.

  209. egg permalink
    February 5, 2014 7:48 am

    ‘THE ABC has backed down in the controversy over its reporting of claims that navy personnel tortured asylum seekers, apologising “if our reporting led anyone to mistakenly assume that the ABC supported the asylum seekers’ claims”.

    Tim Blair / Daily Terror

  210. February 5, 2014 10:48 am

    By the way, the so called “new” Qantas cabin crew uniforms has the men wearing white short sleeved business shirts.

    I guess they wanted to make a nation of public servants and Queensland accountants feel at home.

    #theresjustnoexcuseforshortsleevebusinessshirts

  211. February 5, 2014 10:55 am

    Qantas say that our luggage is in Tel Aviv.

    That’s nice to know..

  212. February 5, 2014 11:14 am

    This second link is the better one. Originally, it was the same on News.com, but within a qtr hour it had been significantly ‘revised’ to the one above which reads less like a negative for the Government. I had to go looking to find it again…

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/abbott-government-could-cut-penalty-rates-under-fair-work-commission-review/story-fni6ulvf-1226818271202

    I wonder how long this one will last?

    If true, it’s a great way for Abbott & the IR ideologues to seriously spook the working population (whom, generally, aren’t as naïve or ignorant when their conditions come under attack as Abbott seems to think).

  213. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 5, 2014 11:14 am

    And it would be interesting to see if only those companies in marginal seats are getting assistance

    Line in sand washed away by ocean of obfuscation over seafoods grant

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/line-in-sand-washed-away-by-ocean-of-obfuscation-over-seafoods-grant-20140204-31zfm.html#ixzz2sOy2BLky

    Wishy washy springs to mind

  214. February 5, 2014 11:16 am

    Cynical political opportunism springs to mind…

  215. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2014 11:26 am

    Tel Aviv is probably nice at this time of year!
    —————
    Short sleeved business shirts are for public servants, accountants, and Queenslanders who shop at Lowes.

  216. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2014 11:55 am

    ‘Wishy washy springs to mind”

    There is always a tussle between big-spending populist conservatives and those with a grasp on economic reality resulting in inconsistent decisions. In the case of the Libs, the decision often goes the way of big party donors as was the case with Manildra.

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    February 5, 2014 12:18 pm

    Short sleeved business shirts are for public servants, accountants, and Queenslanders who shop at Lowes.

    Jesus, ToM, even I have my limits … never owned a short sleeved business shirt in my life!

    I do wear short sleeved shirts over my shorts … and jeans on chilly days in the middle of winter … noice being retired!

  218. February 7, 2014 12:55 am

    On average, once a year, Andrew ‘Herr’ Bolt, and myself agree on something. It’s worth noting, both for its rarity & its historical significance to me brainbox…

    I am repulsed by stupidity and arrogance venerated as celebrity…

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/a_party_at_the_corby_joint/

    Most of the rest of Cpt. Predictable’s output on 6/2/14 was utter polemic garbage to assuage the rash he gets from the admiring screeches of his winged monkeys.

  219. February 7, 2014 1:05 am

    I have no issue whatsoever with the Corbys (Corbies? cawbeez? COREBz?) or their (*cough) ‘legal representation’…a bit o reefer never made anyone inhuman, in mpderation…but those dumb enough to arrogantly intrude into another country whose will & laws have been made perfectly clear prior to entry deserve to reap their whirlwind when they chance their arm.

    I went to a Catholic Boarding School ,as an avowed anti-theist, and one thing I got told that I took on board (that was reasonable, to me) was, “if’n you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime”…Great Stuff!
    They also frequently lied to hundreds of us about the nature of the universe, supported Disneylike versions of reality (as found in the GNB) & made us get out of bed on Sunday morning for mass; so fuck them, but they’re onto something with dumb opportunists deserving their just desserts.

  220. Meta permalink
    February 7, 2014 6:44 am

    (One ‘material support for bikies’ charge coming right up: http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/campbell-newman-says-lawyers-for-bikies-are-part-of-criminal-gang-machine/story-fnii5v6w-1226819588317

    Although, hardened criminal outlawyers do have this golly-gosh for Premier Newman…

    Prominent criminal defence lawyer Michael Bosscher said Mr Newman’s comments were “political dribbling at its best”.

    “A year 10 student undertaking legal studies at school would have a greater understanding of the various elements of the justice system than the Premier has expressed in these comments,” he said.

    “His comments are disgraceful, ignorant, indefensible and embarrassing

    “Queensland’s reputation has already been tarnished – nationally and internationally – by the premier’s stance on these laws and a premier of a state making comments such as these will further damage that reputation and hold this state up to ridicule.

    “Clearly he has no understanding whatsoever of the role of a criminal defence lawyer in the justice system, what the onus of proof means and the fact that every person who is charged with an offence is entitled to be properly defended and is presumed innocent until proven guilty.”

    )

  221. egg permalink
    February 7, 2014 7:35 am

    ‘FEDERAL MP Clive Palmer has launched an extraordinary attack on China’s biggest conglomerate, declaring he would not stand by and watch Australian interests be “raped and disrespected by foreign-owned companies”. In a dramatic escalation of the tensions between Mr Palmer and the state-controlled Citic Pacific over the newly built $8 billion Sino iron ore project in Western Australia, Mr Palmer accused the Chinese company of trying to take Australian resources without paying full consideration.’

    Fitzgerald and Burrell in the Oz

  222. egg permalink
    February 7, 2014 8:46 am

    Martian View

  223. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2014 9:07 am

    Just to demonstrate how childish and naive Noddy Newman is … and his misunderstanding of our legal/justice system and separation of powers …

    Mr Newman made the comment after lawyers for alleged bikies said they were advising some of their clients not to attend court if other bikies were there.

    Hannay Lawyers issued the advice this week, fearing their clients could be charged under new anti-association laws, which make it illegal for three or more bikies to gather in public.

    Mr Newman attacked that advice, and accused those defence lawyers of being disingenuous.

    “These people are hired guns. They take money from people who sell drugs to our teenagers and young people,” he said.

    “Yes, everybody’s got a right to be defended under the law but you’ve got to see it for what it is: they are part of the machine, part of the criminal gang machine and they will see, say and do anything to defend their clients, and try and get them off and indeed progress … their dishonest case.”

    Mr Newman described defence lawyers as people “paid by criminal gangs” when challenged on his assertion.

    The Queensland Law Society, the state’s peak body for solicitors, has also called on Mr Newman to reconsider his comments, saying the comments undermine the legal assumption people are innocent until proven guilty.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/bar-association-rounds-on-newman/story-e6frfku9-1226820239454

    And Noddy is cut from the same cloth as his Federal cousins …

    Some of us lived through this tainting/twisting of the law during the reign of Joh Bjelke Peterson!

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2014 9:10 am

    Oops, apologies, M … I guess we saw the same thing … real time in Queensland … 😉

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    February 7, 2014 9:14 am

    Ser T,

    I have no issue whatsoever with the Corbys (Corbies? cawbeez? COREBz?) or their (*cough) ‘legal representation’…a bit o reefer never made anyone inhuman, in mpderation…

    The Corby’s are saying that the lawyer in qustion didn’t work for them … more amateur reporting, maybe … ?

    And as one who has never smoked pot but watched as others dropped off the planet from using it … the “moderation” rarely happens … the “let’s try something else” is the problem …

  226. February 7, 2014 12:13 pm

    Sounds like that may be more of a self control issue than a black mark against pot to me, TB. 🙂

  227. February 7, 2014 12:43 pm

    l`m sick to death of Fcuking hearing about Schappel`s lot, and l aint goin`ta watch their bullshit TV movie/episode either, l agree with Dunny on the arrogance of tryin`to smuggle, Yes, somebody in `her` group was smugglin`it.

    l don`t share the cia-founded `war-on-drugs` panic/bullshit either, while l don`t like/use choof myself, l don`t subscribe to the panic either, Colorado seems to be on correct track.

    The photo-genic, pretty, Schappelle has the attention of teabag-media, but the `plain-Jane` from the `Bali-9` won`t receive the same attention, to be sure.

  228. Meta permalink
    February 7, 2014 2:31 pm

    (Just FYI, your link has been ‘updated’, TB: ‘No need’ for Newman apology to lawyers, February 07, 2014 1:26PM: http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/bar-association-rounds-on-newman/story-e6frfku9-1226820239454; but, then again. so has mine, without acknowledgement anywhere on the piece. I guess it’s as easy as ABC123 to rewrite news/history.)

  229. egg permalink
    February 7, 2014 3:27 pm

    ‘By this time next year, we will be executing the earliest phases of our Pluto system encounter. Closest approach is now just 17 months away! That may seem like a while to you, but after almost 97 months in flight, it’s just around the corner to us.

    ‘Most people may not appreciate it, but 2014 is the last year, forever, that Pluto and its moons will be known only as points of light or smudgy images to humankind.’

    http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/overview/piPerspective.php

  230. Walrus permalink
    February 7, 2014 4:15 pm

    “And as one who has never smoked pot but watched as others dropped off the planet from using it … the “moderation” rarely happens … the “let’s try something else” is the problem …”

    I happen to know someone who smoked some pot back in the early 1980s when they had just left Uni. They had a cone with a few friends then went to a disco which with Devo playing in the background was projecting Alfred Hitchcock’s “The Birds” onto a huge wall.

    The person I know got a bit freaked out because his friends claimed he said something was “pecking at him, and he left said disco ”( “Archies” in Bondi Junction) and got completely lost driving on Cleveland Street Surry Hills at 2am.

    Then he had to wait an hour in a sidestreet because he could not determine whether his car was traveling in a forwards motion or whether it was just the residences out the window actually traveling in a backwards motion.

    Apparently he stayed away from the stuff after that…………LOL

  231. egg permalink
    February 7, 2014 4:24 pm

    The war on drugs in the US is crumbling and there are financial incentives for doing so. Apart from the tax revenue gained, the gaol population will diminish.

  232. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 8, 2014 3:29 pm

    Abbott surfing –

    The surf is solid, the big ones overhead, and the exception is the wave that doesn’t close out. Abbott is amiably pensive, sitting on his 10-foot board out the back. ”I’m just sitting here working up my courage,” he muses.

    Soon enough, he commits, kamikaze-style, makes the drop and is lost in the close-out of a wave that demands respect.

    Abbott uses a 10 foot board at Manly on a beach break? With Overhead waves??

    Abbott proves to be a dill. He needs to cut 3 feet off the board, or wait until the swell is about half the size.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott–a-man-of-fire-and-water-20140207-3278y.html#ixzz2shXxPn3f

  233. egg permalink
    February 9, 2014 7:53 am

    ‘THE Abbott government has dumped its top infrastructure adviser in a brutal decision to clear the way for its new agenda on road and rail investment amid a political row over the scrutiny of billions of dollars in new spending.

    ‘Infrastructure Australia head Michael Deegan was told to go on paid leave ahead of the formal abolition of his position under changes to be fought over when federal parliament resumes on Tuesday.’

    Crowe / Oz

  234. egg permalink
    February 9, 2014 12:41 pm

    ‘ACTU president Ged Kearney also questioned the likely cost of the inquiry, coming days after the Government rejected a $25 million rescue package for the Shepparton, Victoria-based food processor SPC Ardmona.

    “This is $100 million of taxpayers’ money being wasted, wasted on nothing but a political inquiry for Tony Abbott when just last week he could have put $25 million into saving 3,000 jobs and perhaps an entire rural community,” she told a news conference this morning.

    ABC

  235. egg permalink
    February 10, 2014 7:22 am

    ‘LABOR’s hopes of using the Griffith by-election as a justification for its attacks on the Abbott government have been undermined after the Liberal National Party secured the first swing to a government in a by-election for nearly 20 years.’

    Fraser / Oz

  236. egg permalink
    February 10, 2014 7:26 am

    ‘AUSTRALIA does not have the infrastructure to seize the full potential of the Asian century, Ken Henry, a former Treasury secretary and current NAB and ASX director, has warned as he called for “more creative, innovative thinking” about the nation’s infrastructure needs.’

    Hepworth / Oz

  237. Tony permalink
    February 10, 2014 8:53 am

    “ACTU president Ged Kearney also questioned the likely cost of the inquiry”

    When Labor, the unions, or the Greens question a policy based on its cost, you know they can’t think of a logical argument against it.

  238. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 10, 2014 11:23 am

    When Labor, the unions, or the Greens question a policy based on its cost, you know they can’t think of a logical argument against it.

    The illogical thing is having an expensive RC when we are supposedly broke and being told everyone has to tighten their belts, the age of entitlement being over [except for an ideological attack by the entitled upon the only mob who stand in the way of big capital taking over]. No more snarling rottweilers on wharves or farmers having combat training overseas [not a good look and very unpopular], so we just have a very one sided RC.

    sb, tell me again where the govt has said they will look at both sides.

    Seems that to some, anything labor does is just too expensive for the common riff raff to have and a waste of money [gonski, nbn.] Yet there is no expense spared for grand ‘go get em’ schemes to hobble their political opponents. Hypocrisy = LNP.

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    February 10, 2014 1:40 pm

    M. thanks … and yes …I agree …

    I guess it’s as easy as ABC123 to rewrite news/history.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Apparently he stayed away from the stuff after that…………LOL

    What a sensible person you he/she must have been … Wally … 😉

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Hypocrisy = LNP.

    As always, KL …

    And I recall an RC into certain members of a previous LNP government and its dealings with a country we were at war with … seems no-one at the time could remember anything though …

    Round and round the hurdy gurdy goes and everybody gets gets richer … at the expense of those who actually work for a living!

  240. Walrus permalink
    February 10, 2014 1:52 pm

    “…..except for an ideological attack by the entitled upon the only mob who stand in the way of big capital taking over”

    Since you see them as guardians of the rights of the industrial weak I suppose we will soon see “Vote 1 Comancheros” on the next Senate ticket.

    Imagine the Parliamentary ALP being replaced by a Coalition of Comancheros and Bandidos……..?

    Probably more effective I must say

  241. Walrus permalink
    February 10, 2014 1:53 pm

    And the parliamentary carpark would be quite a noisy sight each morning parliament sat

  242. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 10, 2014 2:22 pm

    Since you see them as guardians of the rights of the industrial weak I suppose we will soon see “Vote 1 Comancheros” on the next Senate ticket

    Yep, there are some unions who don’t have much sway in anything, female dominated unions and those whose work is more social or community minded than the brawn dominated ones.

    We may as well have the comancheros, they can’t cause more harm than the 4WD nuts, the huntin’, fishin’ & shootin’ party and the sports party, or, the religious right who insist on infiltrating every election!

    Perhaps we could see some political action from their legal reps:

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/bar-association-hits-back-after-premier-campbell-newmans-criminal-gang-machine-comment-20140207-325dp.html

  243. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 10, 2014 2:31 pm

    “sb, tell me again where the govt has said they will look at both sides.”

    Abetz said it in an ABC interview:

    TONY EASTLEY: Alright, and do you accept any inquiry, whatever form it takes, would it cover the examination of both unions, contractors and employers, because they’re all in it together.

    ERIC ABETZ: The findings of the Cole Royal Commission way back in the early 2000s found that, and you’re absolutely right, that there were big unions in cahoots with the business and that is what allowed corruption and the stand-over tactics, the illegality, the thuggery, to flourish and that is something we as a Coalition want to stamp out.

    That is why we want the ABCC and indeed that is why we have announced that there will be a judicial inquiry and the full extent and details of that will be revealed in due course.

    He said much the same thing on Insiders.

    Ultimately they have to look at business (the victims of extortion) as well as the stand-over men.

    Ian Cambridge, one of the few honest men in the AWU at the time and who was prepared to take on the crooks, asked for a Royal Commission in the 90s. He says he is now prepared to co-operate and give evidence. If I were Bill Shorten I would be nervous too. And I would be opposing a Royal Commission with all my might – no matter how stupid it makes me look – and guess what – that is exactly what Shorten is doing!

    Ian Cambridge is the very definition of an honest unionist and the complete opposite of the ethically challenged cretins now fighting tooth and nail to stop the Royal Commission.

    But even more ridiculous than those with an obvious personal interest in the matter like Shorten are the rusted-ons who supported Labor pissing billions against the wall and driving the country deep into debt, but now can’t find the small change for a Royal Commission. Because they know that once a light is shined into the Unionland sewer the whole country (except for those toadies) will be sickened.

    The real fear, the reason so many people are willing to cover for organised crime involvement in Unionland, is that the words of the State Secretary of the AWU at the time, Bob Smith, will prove prophetic:

    As we have discussed, you know as well as I do that if Cambridge is not stopped we are all history.

  244. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 10, 2014 2:52 pm

    Most of the ABCC investigators came from a policing background, that’s what the unions (and corrupt businesses) didn’t like – people who had the singular objective of ensuring lawful behaviour on construction sites.

    Those with the habit of delivering on their plans through bullying and intimidation don’t cope with the lawful framework. Without the ability to intimidate, they have no advantage.

  245. egg permalink
    February 10, 2014 4:06 pm

    “there’s always going to be a debate about the ABC . . . (Australians) love the institution at its best, but they hate some of its political correctness and so on, and like every other viewer of the ABC I think sometimes ‘isn’t this a fantastic program’; other times I want to throw something at the television set, so I think this is always the way,” Tony Abbott said.

  246. February 10, 2014 4:16 pm

    I love how Tony Arsehat takes it upon himself to speak the mind of all ‘Australians’. 🙄

  247. egg permalink
    February 10, 2014 4:21 pm

    Rake is a fantastic program, aired on ABC, produced by Essential Media and Entertainment.

    For Ricky’s sake, here’s a little on the shooting.

    ‘Locals should look out for new locations this season, including Surry Hills restaurant Porteno, the swanky Victoria Room in Darlinghurst and the suburb’s Pocket Bar ”which we used for a few fun and games and vodka shots and Cleaver getting back into his wild ways again”.

    ‘The Hollywood Hotel in Surry Hills also makes an appearance and is, Collie said, ”quite a good one for a more sleazy, hard-drinking sort of place”.

    ”There’s quite a lot of different venues which I’m sure people will notice and probably smile in recognition,” he said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/sydney-stars-in-abc-legal-hit-rake-20140209-329v4.html#ixzz2stRQg6NM

  248. egg permalink
    February 10, 2014 4:23 pm

    Piers has been sacked from Insiders.

  249. egg permalink
    February 10, 2014 4:28 pm

    A multinational produced Rake.

    ‘Essential Media and Entertainment is one of Australia’s leading independent television producers of high quality content for both local and international audiences with offices in Sydney, Los Angeles and Toronto. Broadcast partners outside Australia include BBC, National Geographic, PBS, Discovery, Sundance, History Channel, Arte, and RTE Ireland.

    ‘Recent successes from its diverse slate include the landmark natural history series Australia: The Time Traveller’s Guide (ABC, UKTV, PBS Nova, Arte), standout lifestyle hit Gourmet Farmer (SBS), and award-winning drama series Rake (ABC, Sundance Europe, Audience Channel USA).’

  250. egg permalink
    February 10, 2014 4:34 pm

    ‘INDUSTRY leaders are backing the Abbott government’s royal commission into corrupt dealings between unions and business, claiming companies have been “forced” into criminal activity by crooked union representatives.

    ‘Tony Abbott will this afternoon formally announce the high-profile inquiry, headed by retired High Court judge Dyson Heydon, which he said would shine a spotlight on the “dark corners” of national life.’

    Oz

  251. egg permalink
    February 10, 2014 4:43 pm

    Just over a century ago they hanged gang rapists in Sydney, but I suspect cultural misunderstanding will weigh heavily on the magistrate in this case.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/10/girl-14-gang-raped-sydney-park

  252. Walrus permalink
    February 10, 2014 4:50 pm

    “Piers has been sacked from Insiders.”

    LOL

    In that case it looks like Barrie Cassidy is “upping the ante” so to speak

    Who are they replacing him with ?………….. Bob Ellis or Mike Carlton ?

  253. Walrus permalink
    February 10, 2014 4:51 pm

    “…….but I suspect cultural misunderstanding ”

    Yes…….otherwise you are a bigot if you dare criticise

  254. egg permalink
    February 10, 2014 6:09 pm

    The Bolter is naturally putting the boot into aunty and Fairfax for omitting the culprits are a gang of Africans.

  255. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 10, 2014 6:14 pm

    The ABC certainly did mention that the perps were of African appearance.

  256. egg permalink
    February 10, 2014 6:20 pm

    Channelling the Bolter

    ‘The auto-play clip embedded in the online article describes the men as ‘African’ in appearance. I caught readers also sledging the ABC for omitting ‘African’ from descriptions elsewhere on this blog. The ABC reports I caught (ABC online and ABC News Breakfast program) did not do this.’

  257. February 10, 2014 6:52 pm

    ”””””’Piers has been sacked from Insiders.””””’

    l suppose that`s the `blowback` of the Sattler/`is-Tim-gay` bullshit, Dumpty.?

  258. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 10, 2014 7:01 pm

    I love how Tony Arsehat takes it upon himself to speak the mind of all ‘Australians’…

    exactly, he is every australian, forget the indulgent, cosseted life of privilege and toadying up to influence, he is one of us, in spirit, I suppose.

    Not long ago he wanted it to be the Abbott Broadcasting Commission.

    Commenting on the car losses today he quickly glossed over the jobs impact and slimed on with… “but, the important thing to remember is…there’ll be other jobs”

  259. egg permalink
    February 10, 2014 7:03 pm

    ‘is-Tim-gay` bullshit, Dumpty.?’

    Apparently.

  260. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 10, 2014 7:09 pm

    Nah – it is just the leftist pricks cementing their hegemony.

    The ABC needs some adult supervision. It thinks dog-fucking represents the core values of its target audience and given the unrelenting leftist slant of the joint, it is hard to disagree.

  261. egg permalink
    February 10, 2014 7:27 pm

    ‘he is every australian, forget the indulgent, cosseted life of privilege’

    Tony Arsehat is a real Australian and I’m surprised you don’t recognise a revolutionary leader, a man of the people who (with the aid of the Ji) will transform the country.

  262. February 10, 2014 7:31 pm

    ”””’will transform the country””””

    to a more Detroit-like state of affairs

  263. egg permalink
    February 10, 2014 7:34 pm

    Major infrastructure to open up the country for millions of new immigrants.

  264. egg permalink
    February 10, 2014 7:59 pm

    ‘Last year Australia’s population grew 1.8 per cent, or 407,000, compared with 0.7 per cent for the United States, 0.5 per cent for Europe and China, and minus 0.1 per cent for Japan.

    ‘The extra 400,000 or so people a year is the reason Australia has not had a recession for 23 years and it’s why GDP growth is now around 2.5 per cent. On a per capita basis, Australia’s economic growth is among the weakest in the world, and per capita consumption growth is zero.

    ‘In other words, population growth is the only reason it looks like the economy is growing.

    ‘One obvious consequence of Australia’s population boom, apart from disguising a fundamentally weak economy, is rising house prices because not enough houses are being built as a result of restrictive planning laws and high construction costs.

    ‘Not enough infrastructure is being built either, to the point where a national emergency is approaching.’

    Alan Kohler

  265. egg permalink
    February 11, 2014 7:43 am

    ‘BILL Shorten’s personal standing has slumped and Labor’s primary vote has fallen during a Christmas parliamentary break dominated by corporate closures, job losses, union corruption and controversy over the Coalition’s handling of industry aid and asylum-seekers.

    ‘For the first time since mid-October, voter satisfaction with the Opposition Leader and his party has stopped rising and has reversed, with satisfaction with Mr Shorten down 9 percentage points last weekend to 35 per cent as Labor’s primary vote dropped three points to 35 per cent.’

    Shannahan / Oz

    AlboAlboAlbo

  266. egg permalink
    February 11, 2014 7:50 am

    ‘MOST voters believe the ABC is “fair and balanced” but one in five believe it is biased against the Coalition and one in three Liberal voters believe the national broadcaster is biased towards the Labor Party and against the Coalition.

    ‘Just on half of all voters believe the ABC’s treatment of different political parties is fair and balanced and another quarter of the electorate is “uncommitted” on the issue.’

    Shannahan / Oz

  267. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 11, 2014 8:20 am

    Yes, Labor leads in what should be a new Governments honeymoon, and it is all bad news for the Labor party.

    Shannahan / Oz / GG

  268. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 11, 2014 8:24 am

    MOST voters believe the ABC is “fair and balanced”

    Guess they didn’t see another muppet trying to put words in Bill Shortens mouth last night on 7.30


    BILL SHORTEN: We would’ve worked on a transition which would’ve seen this bad news avoided. And even if it wasn’t possible in the long term to avoid it, there’s a big difference between Labor and Liberal. We won’t stop fighting for people’s jobs until we’ve turned over every rock and we’ve tried every trick …

    SARAH FERGUSON: But you concede you were – you would be delaying the inevitable?

    BILL SHORTEN: I’m conceding that with a Labor government you’ll get someone who’ll stand up for Australian jobs. The Abbott Government thinks manufacturing’s too hard. They’ve given up the ghost. They won’t fight – do you know there’s been a thousand manufacturing jobs lost every month the Abbott Government’s been in power? Imagine if before the election, Labor had run a scare campaign and said, “Once Tony Abbott gets elected, there’ll be no car industry within five months.” People would’ve accused us of exaggerating and we didn’t say it.

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3941885.htm

    Let’s see if this one will interrupt, talk over and misrepresent words when talking to Tony Abbott. They haven’t in hte past, yet they continue to do it with Labor, repeatedly. They are, and have been for while now, as biased as many other outlets.

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2014 11:28 am

    As a nation, we’re growing older and living longer, according to a recent report from the Australian Government’s Productivity Commission.

    Titled ‘An Ageing Australia: Preparing for the Future’, the report predicts Australia’s population will increase while also growing older, a result reflecting the improved life expectancy rates in the country. A female born in 2012 is estimated to live for an average of 94.4 years, while the average male life expectancy is not too far behind at 91.6 years.

    Anyone else see a problem here?

  270. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2014 11:39 am

    It thinks dog-fucking represents the core values of its target audience

    Nah, yer mixing that up with religion … as in, “them catliks and dog-fuckers …” 😆

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ‘One obvious consequence of Australia’s population boom, apart from disguising a fundamentally weak economy, is rising house prices because not enough houses are being built as a result of restrictive planning laws and high construction costs.

    ‘Not enough infrastructure is being built either, to the point where a national emergency is approaching.’

    But, but that means its governments and builders … ToM says its all the unions BOO! fault?

    No wonder people get confused …:roll:

  271. Walrus permalink
    February 11, 2014 11:44 am

    “Guess they didn’t see another muppet trying to put words in Bill Shortens mouth…..”

    Ummmmmmmmmmmm………………..like where ?

  272. Walrus permalink
    February 11, 2014 11:46 am

    “I’m conceding that with a Labor government you’ll get someone who’ll stand up for Australian jobs.”

    I dont like seeing the ALP doing all this “standing up” as it tends to be the taxpayer being bent over whilst the ALP stands behind them.

  273. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 11, 2014 11:50 am

    “Nah, yer mixing that up with religion “

    Wasn’t me. I was just quoting the ABC’s defence of the Hamster Boys. Seems on the money, though.

  274. Walrus permalink
    February 11, 2014 12:04 pm

    Yeah……………..solar energy in SA is so fantastic LOL

    “HOUSEHOLDERS will pay an extra $90 a year for the next three years on their power bills to pay for the State Government’s generous solar rebate scheme.

    Retailers are bracing for a late rush on solar systems as the scheme enters its final month for new customers to sign up, which could inflate the cost of the scheme even further.

    SA Power Networks (formerly ETSA) estimates the scheme will cost $1.53 billion over 20 years – and every South Australian is paying for it via their electricity bill.

    It has forecast the average amount recovered from residential customers to subsidise the solar rebates will be $90 a year for the next three years, before dropping to $72 from July 1, 2016, when the 16c scheme closes.”

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/as-utilities-bills-soar-south-australians-to-pay-90-extra-a-year-to-account-for-solar-rebate/story-fni6uo1m-1226689871240

  275. Walrus permalink
    February 11, 2014 12:05 pm

    Oooops wrong Thread

  276. Walrus permalink
    February 11, 2014 12:18 pm

    A report on news.com.au……………..

    “MERCEDES Corby reportedly broke up with her Balinese husband before her sister Schapelle was released from jail.”

    I think it’s supposed to say………

    “………before her sister Schapelle’s interview money was released to Mercedes bank account”

  277. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 11, 2014 2:51 pm

    Shame this doesn’t happen more often.

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2014 3:00 pm

    “HOUSEHOLDERS will pay an extra $90 a year for the next three years

    There is a simple answer … everyone put solar on their home … there are many payment options … eg some companies offer an interest free loan for the first twelve months … then with the savings of not having to pay a power bill (and any extra it generates) it pays itself off and after three or four years is paid off and generates for free PLUS!

    Simple, Market Economics 101, the power generator in Queensland announced that the 90, 000 solar system in the state averted serious problems during the last heatwave here …

    The economics are so simple I can’t understand your constant attack of modern technology, Wally – or maybe I can … you do vote Liberal … 😆

  279. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 11, 2014 3:10 pm

    TB, re the solar panels, good article linked to here

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/02/05/workchoices-dead-buried-resurrected/#comment-44745

  280. February 11, 2014 5:46 pm

    Proud to have been gouging the non-solar households for the last few months (finally).

  281. Walrus permalink
    February 11, 2014 5:53 pm

    “Wally – or maybe I can … you do vote Liberal …”

    Not always……………………….but I must confess to owning a shitload of BHP and Rio Tinto plus Santos and Woodside in my SMSF

    🙂

  282. egg permalink
    February 11, 2014 6:44 pm

    Sarah Ferguson is refreshing, I’m sure 7.30 would agree.

    Also, apparently Q & A was balanced last night, both panel and audience, while leftoids Trioli and her sidekick on the morning show are a national disgrace.

  283. February 11, 2014 6:46 pm

    You`re the muppet misrepresenting the transcript JJ,

    this comes way before your snippet,

    ********************************

    SARAH FERGUSON: Alright. Well let’s move on to Toyota because obviously it’s a very important subject you’re going to want to address.

    BILL SHORTEN: It is.

    SARAH FERGUSON: Notwithstanding the terrible blow that that decision is to the workers today, wasn’t that decision inevitable?

    *****************************************

    shortmen is wrong, and JJ is wrong,
    and sarah is correct to `press` shortmen on the `inevitable` point,

    the auto-making-welfare-recipients have been in the death-throes for decades,

  284. egg permalink
    February 11, 2014 7:02 pm

    Yes.

  285. February 11, 2014 7:05 pm

    ”””Titled ‘An Ageing Australia: Preparing for the Future’,”””’

    ”””’Anyone else see a problem here?”””’

    Wrongly Titled.

    An Aging Queenslander, Prepared for Uncle TB.?

  286. February 11, 2014 7:08 pm

    ”””’Anyone else see a problem here?”””’

    in all seriousness TB, the list is `end-less`

  287. egg permalink
    February 11, 2014 7:19 pm

    ‘Anyone else see a problem here?’

    I sensed an oxymoron (eg. deafening silence) the population is growing rapidly through mass immigration, so unlike Japan we’ll have a natural balance of old and young.

  288. Reggie Ledoux permalink
    February 11, 2014 7:24 pm

    “the auto-making-welfare-recipients have been in the death-throes for decades”

    Correct. If something can’t go on forever, it won’t.

  289. Tony permalink
    February 11, 2014 7:37 pm

    “Australia has the highest rate of budgetary assistance to the automotive industry at $US1885 per vehicle, with the next closest Sweden at $297 per vehicle. In point of fact, the figure for the US came in at only $166 per vehicle and Germany at $206 per vehicle.”

  290. egg permalink
    February 11, 2014 7:38 pm

    Exactly, which brings me back to infrastructure and the very fast train.

    https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/rail/inland/

    We need to make widgets and quick.

  291. Tony permalink
    February 11, 2014 7:56 pm

    By the way, most workers can’t be certain they’ll have a job next week. Toyota workers have a job for three years, and Holden and Ford workers are in a similar boat. Many employees would love that kind of certainty.

  292. February 11, 2014 8:09 pm

    ””’Correct. If something can’t go on forever, it won’t.””’

    Well said scales`osy.

    ”””””””””””most workers can’t be certain they’ll have a job next week. Toyota workers have a job for three years, and Holden and Ford workers are in a similar boat. Many employees would love that kind of certainty.””””””””””’

    you don`t find this type of logic somewhat `sinister/retarded`, scales`osy.? l aint sayin`ya wrong by the way, but corporate `certainty` seems so highly expensive.

  293. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 11, 2014 8:10 pm

    And i think they get a further two years severance pay. Which means they have money for the next 5 years.

    Actually having so much severance pay is bad because some workers would hope the company fails so they can take the money and run.

  294. egg permalink
    February 11, 2014 8:15 pm

    The point I’m trying to make is that former deputy John Anderson is going to build a freight rail corridor between Melbourne and Brisbane, leaving out Sydney and Canberra.

    The land corridor will be cheap and wide enough for very fast trains, so this is clearly their intention.

    Brilliant.

  295. egg permalink
    February 11, 2014 9:06 pm

    Noddy Newman also supports the concept.

    “The ARA also welcomes the Newman government’s ongoing support for the Inland Rail, a project that will take seven hours off transit times from Melbourne to Brisbane, remove trucks from the Pacific, Newell and Hume Highways and boost regional development along the entire 1,700km route.”

  296. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 12, 2014 5:29 pm

    Marie-Antoinette Obama’s message to the poor of America:

    Let them eat dogfood!

  297. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 12, 2014 5:32 pm

    Love in the Time of Obama – the new aristocracy.

  298. egg permalink
    February 13, 2014 4:44 pm

    Our princess comes good.

    Washington, D.C. – ‘February 10, 2014. The Global Partnership for Education (GPE), the only multilateral partnership devoted to getting all children in the world’s poorest countries into school for a quality education, has appointed former Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard to be the new Chair of its Board of Directors.’

  299. Walrus permalink
    February 13, 2014 5:27 pm

    “…….the only multilateral partnership devoted to getting all children in the world’s poorest countries into school”

    Well they’ll soon have something in common with the schools they are trying to help.

    They’ll soon be the poorest multilateral partnership in the world

  300. egg permalink
    February 14, 2014 10:42 am

    No boats in 8 weeks, Sri Lankans aim for NZ.

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