Skip to content
Advertisements

Crime and Youth Suicide set to Soar Under the Abbott Govt

May 22, 2014

451027-140224-n-youth-unemployment

The harsh and punitive measures unveiled in the Abbott Government Budget are set to create an underclass of Australian citizens consisting predominantly of those who are already disadvantaged; the elderly who depend on welfare to make ends meet, and the unemployed – especially young people.

The unemployment rate for 15 to 24 year olds is rising rapidly and those on Newstart benefits are on them for longer.

The national average youth unemployment rate 12.5 per cent however the figures vary from State to Sate and paint a more shocking picture.

In Cairns, the youth unemployment rate has jumped 88 per cent in two years.

In Brisbane’s south and west it is more than 60 per cent.

In Sydney’s Hills district it is up 73 per cent and in Melbourne’s east the increase is almost 50 per cent.

Today, one in five young people aged 15 to 24 in west and northwest Tasmania, in Cairns, and northern Adelaide are without a job.

Brotherhood of St Laurence executive director Tony Nicholson says youth unemployment has been climbing disproportionately since the global financial crisis began and is now more than double that of the entire workforce.

“Youth unemployment as high as 21 per cent in some areas of our country is a scandal for our young people, our communities and our economy,” Mr Nicholson said.

“That’s verging on the trainwreck economies of Europe but it’s happening here in a country which has endured relatively less economic turmoil than those countries in the eurozone.

“The plight of our young unemployed in Australia needs to be put in the spotlight because we are at serious risk of letting a generation fall on to the margins of society.”

Contrary to the views of Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Federal Treasurer Joe Hockey, finding work is especially challenging for young people.

When retailers start recruiting shop assistants with university degrees, what hope is there for those who have no formal qualifications?

According to John Mendoza, younger Australians are being actively singled out by the Abbott Government. It is discriminatory, divisive and dangerous.

“The Government’s own figures show that only just over half (53 per cent) of all people under 30 who are on Newstart find a job within the new six-month limit.

More than one in four remain unemployed after 12 months on Newstart, not by choice but simply because the jobs are non-existent.

So the Government knows these young people will have no income at all after six months, except in special circumstances.

Australia already has an unacceptably high rate of youth suicide and self-harm.  Suicide is the leading cause of death for men aged between 15 and 44 is suicide.

For women, nearly one in every three deaths for those aged 16-24 is a suicide.

It is a national tragedy that, every day in Australia, at least seven Australians take their own life and around 200 people will attempt to do so.

Every day more than 85 Australians are admitted to hospital as a result of deliberate self-harm.

Even without mental health problems, long-term unemployment and without access to basic social support, will on the available evidence put many young people at risk of suicide.

Punishing young people in such a harsh and uncaring way is no way for a first world Government to behave.

It’s reprehensible and unacceptable for we, as Australians, with a vested interest in the nation’s future, to stand by and let this Government throw a generation of young people onto the scrap heap and leave them desperate and destitute.

We simply cannot allow this to happen.

 

 

 

 

 

Advertisements
431 Comments leave one →
  1. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 1:11 pm

    Contrary to the views of Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Federal Treasurer Joe Hockey, finding work is especially challenging for young people.

    Something Abbott and Hockey should experience as quickly as possible!

    I just don’t get it … this will be political suicide for the Liberal Party … in the years to come these are the people who will NOT vote for a Liberal government ever …

    Are the Libs so arrogant so tied up in their own importance and ego-tripping that they really believe we are all children and need to be controlled by “the adults in charge” …

    Beggars belief …

    Once again self fulfilling prophecy … Europe’s youth is suffering make our own suffer more …

    I haven’t met anyone who agrees with anything in the budget (apologies one – who earns over $200,000 pa) …

    If the rage dies I’ll be very disappointed in Australians!

  2. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 1:27 pm

    A few interesting angles in this post.

    To avoid the spectacle of young beggars standing outside McDonalds or larrikin gangs mugging decent citizens, my guess is that Abbott intends conscripting them into his Green Army.

  3. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 1:36 pm

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/croakey/2014/05/22/new-deal-or-no-deal-budget2014-and-the-risks-for-younger-australians/

    …John Mendoza looks at the raft of harsh measures it plans to impose on young people – from the unprecedented withdrawal of unemployment benefits through to significantly higher university fees – and argues that “no other group in our community has ever before been so singled out for special attention in a federal budget”…

    It’s just disgusting, these are the people who will wear the costs of climate change too, for someone who spruiks “not fair to leave next generations with an inherited deficit” he doesn’t mind leaving them the costs of a global warming apocalypse.

    Are we ready to rise up yet?

  4. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 1:45 pm

    ‘It’s just disgusting, these are the people who will wear the costs of climate change too’

    It is a disgrace, all those young people fleeing to Cairns away from colder climes.

  5. May 22, 2014 1:49 pm

    “Are we ready to rise up yet?”

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 2:25 pm

    at what point do we claim self defense

    exactly reb, perhaps it is us, the public who have to be the responsible ones and overthrow the lot of them 😉

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 2:33 pm

    my guess is that Abbott intends conscripting them into his Green Army.

    And that would not only cynical, but despicable … !

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    and argues that “no other group in our community has ever before been so singled out for special attention in a federal budget”…

    Apart from the sick, frail and pensioners!

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 2:36 pm

    that’s very creative tomR!

    Sex line grandmother ‘Gloria’ labels PM Tony Abbott’s wink ‘sleazy’ and ‘slimy’:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-22/sex-line-grandmother-says-pms-reaction-sleazy/5469488

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 2:39 pm

    TR! How fkn clever is that! thanks for linking …

  10. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 2:45 pm

    my guess is that Abbott intends conscripting them into his Green Army.
    And that would not only cynical, but despicable … !

    I would be telling them to claim conscientious objector status.

  11. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2014 2:49 pm

    From the anarchist ABC site

    When Symons labelled the incident “a curious thing” ‘Gloria’ replied: “Curious is not the word … sleazy, slimy…” before later labelling the PM “a stupid man”.

    He’s just a running joke now. The difference between him and Gillard, Gillard became a figure of ridicule from repeated prompting form the media (and other vested interests). tabot has done it despite protection from the media.

    The non murdoch (and even some of them) media appear to have abandoned that protection racket now. They know the facade has fallen, and fallen hard.

  12. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 2:51 pm

  13. May 22, 2014 2:56 pm

    He obviously wants some type of Texas Louisiana style prison system… this is so blatantly the work of fuckwits that have utter contempt for people who they consider of lesser monetary worth and social standing…

    Abbott and Pyne should do a door knock in Claymore or Logan to get a feel for the real…. 🙂

  14. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 3:00 pm

    looking at that picture of JOLIAR I can’t stop laughing, but this has quickly soured it:

    Classmates express fury over Tony Abbott’s daughter Frances being awarded $60,000 scholarship to Whitehouse Institute of Design:

    http://mobile.news.com.au/national/classmates-express-fury-over-tony-abbotts-daughter-frances-being-awarded-60000-scholarship-to-whitehouse-institute-of-design/story-fncynjr2-1226926934506

    no way that gift should not have been declared.

  15. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 5:00 pm

    And that would not only (be) cynical, but despicable … !’

    They could enlist in the real army or navy, if the green uniforms and low pay of agricultural work isn’t to their liking.

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 5:15 pm

    They could enlist in the real army or navy, if the green uniforms and low pay of agricultural work isn’t to their liking.

    And that’s typically stupid … and also despicable … sneaky national service?

    Like sneaky attempt at a GST rise …

    … in 1988 … they took 80 out of 860 applicants for army apprentices school … and quantity ain’t changed much …

    And for your edification, egg (you’re obviously in need of it) … ADF members in the 21st Century are very intelligent, very educated and all are specialists in things you would have tropuble understanding … be glad you can sleep safe in your bed at night …

    You know nuthin’, egg …

  17. Tony permalink
    May 22, 2014 5:39 pm

    I knew a Liberal government would energise left-leaning blogs (and twitter, of course), but I had no idea a budget could send them into such a frenzy. 😯

  18. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 6:15 pm

    ‘And that’s typically stupid … and also despicable … sneaky national service?’

    The under 25s need to make a commitment to something and they are offered choices. Their layabout lifestyle and drug dealing make them unsuitable for active service, that’s why the Green Army seemed the best option.

    In the days when Abbott was in charge of the Conservation Volunteers under Howard he noted that the program was rushed and this brought about its demise. He wants to get this up and running in his first term.

    ‘You know nuthin’, egg …’

    My brother served and his daughter too, they seem reasonably bright.

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 6:23 pm

    but I had no idea a budget could send them into such a frenzy

    A typical smug comment, ToSY, it’s not “just” a budget … its a fkn stupid attempt at targeting people who need assistance … and crippling their dignity …

    Obviously you need a LOT of edification … this is Australia … not your mini- USA … you can fly there for about $10k business … must be cheap chips for you!

    You sound like one of Joe Hockey’s sons … or Abbot’s daughters …

  20. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 22, 2014 6:28 pm

    If we seriously want to reduce youth unemployment then we should make it easier for businesses to employ them. For example we could legislate that award conditions, penalty rates, minimum wage rules and the Fair Work Act do not apply to under 25s. Maybe have a few basic safeguards, but that should do it.

    If you don’t want to do this, fine. But don’t whine about youth unemployment.

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 6:29 pm

    The under 25s need to make a commitment to something and they are offered choices.

    And they are?

    Their layabout lifestyle and drug dealing make them unsuitable for active service, that’s why the Green Army seemed the best option.

    Layabout? How many do you know – or is that personal? … drug dealing … expert are you?

    Green Army – you think that name is Tones “thinking outside the box” …

    he noted that the program was rushed and this brought about its demise

    Got BIG news for you superstar!

    My brother served and his daughter too, they seem reasonably bright.

    Yeah, but do they let you talk to them?*

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 6:38 pm

    For example we could legislate that award conditions, penalty rates, minimum wage rules and the Fair Work Act do not apply to under 25s. Maybe have a few basic safeguards, but that should do it.

    If you don’t want to do this, fine. But don’t whine about youth unemployment.

    Shaking head … maybe because I, my kids and my grandkids have been “played” by so many owners and managers dickheads … especially small business or franchisees who don’t know the difference between a debit and a credit and can’t even spell induction or training! They do know how to spell PROFIT!

    do not apply to under 25s

    Thin edge of the wedge! And you espouse that you are not right or left … shakes head again …

    Go and talk to your local McDonalds … they know how to do it properly … why don’t others … ?

    In fact the process is not difficult – if you know how …

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 6:40 pm

    Grr ..

    owners and managers dickheads … especially small business or franchisees who don’t know the difference between a debit and a credit and can’t even spell induction or training! They do know how to spell PROFIT!

  24. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 22, 2014 6:52 pm

    TB, I can see the other side of this but even so, there is always the option I suggested or some less harsh variant of it. The question is what do we really want to achieve? If youth unemployment is the problem then what is the answer if not something like that? Focusing on unemployment benefits is not really solving that problem.

  25. Tony permalink
    May 22, 2014 6:54 pm

    “A typical smug comment, ToSY, it’s not “just” a budget … Obviously you need a LOT of edification … You sound like one of Joe Hockey’s sons … or Abbot’s daughters …”

    Having a good day?

  26. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 22, 2014 7:04 pm

    Minimum wages and youth unemployment.

  27. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 7:05 pm

    ‘And they are?’

    Yeah they go to TAFE, let’s expand the choices. A stint in the bush can’t do any harm and his parents will be relieved.

    ‘Layabout? How many do you know – or is that personal? … drug dealing … expert are you?’

    Being at the bottom of the heap I have some local knowledge.

    ‘Green Army – you think that name is Tones “thinking outside the box” …’

    Maybe, might get scratched by a hostile senate.

  28. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 7:30 pm

    If Abbott fails to do anything constructive then he is stupid, but I suspect he’s given it some thought and wants a popular outcome. The Forbes article is a good read.

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 7:31 pm

    The under 25s need to make a commitment to something and they are offered choices.

    Why don’t you just generalise and tar an entire generation with the same brush? This your biased opinion [or is it bolt’s], not a fact in sight.

    … Their layabout lifestyle and drug dealing make them unsuitable for active service, that’s why the Green Army seemed the best option.

    is this opinion of yours based on anything other than breathtaking, astonishing, bigotry and ignorance?

  30. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 7:36 pm

    I’m reporting from the frontline with direct knowledge.

  31. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 7:52 pm

    ‘Why don’t you just generalise and tar an entire generation with the same brush?’

    No, I’m talking about a subculture who deserve a better chance, they are the hardened scammers who seek out cash jobs. I know a few.

    In a country town many people rely on casual work here and there to bring in enough money to survive. So they try to stay outside the clutches of Centrelink and retain some dignity.

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 7:54 pm

    Having a good day?

    Always … clear conscience and alive …

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    his parents will be relieved.

    Your slip is showing …

    I suspect he’s given it some thought

    LOL!

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 8:02 pm

    I’m reporting from the frontline with direct knowledge.

    Incoming!

  34. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 8:11 pm

    Here’s some recent news on the formation of the Green Army, mobilising in July. I get the feeling this will happen because they are gutting Landcare to pay for it.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-15/landcare-slashed-to-fund-abbott-green-army/5454960

  35. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 8:22 pm

    It was a sleight of hand.

    ‘Among the environmental fallout of the federal budget, Australia’s Landcare program has taken a hit, losing A$484 million. In return, the government’s environmental centrepiece, the Green Army, receives A$525 million.’

    The Conversation

  36. May 22, 2014 9:33 pm

    I’m just back from a very pleasant dinner with four friends at this nice Thai joint.

    The level of vitriol felt towards Abbott and his budget was self-evident.

    Despite the fact that none of us at the table are going to be adversely affected, people were just gobsmacked at the outright attack on the unemployed, young people in general and the elderly.

    It would be fair to say that no one felt that this was fair at all.

    And this is a group of comfortably middle class white folk.

    As I remarked to my better half on the way home, if this is the sentiment amongst people who aren’t even directly affected, imagine what it’s like amongst people who are?

  37. May 22, 2014 9:45 pm

    If you don’t want to do this, fine. But don’t whine about youth unemployment.
    Cool no problem, excellent idea…when they are on starvation wages and have to prostitute themselves and eat in soup kitchens.. can they cam and stay at your place… On second thought they may have to eat there too as they cut funding for the soup kitchens 🙄

    I had no idea a budget could send them into such a frenzy.

    Yes I think we are all unanimous agreement, its patently obvious you have no idea

    I’m reporting deluded from the frontline doing lines with direct knowledge a brain like porridge.

    Your comments sound like a cross between Chester and Sarah Palin .are you filling in for Squeal?

  38. May 22, 2014 9:48 pm

    “I had no idea a budget could send them into such a frenzy.”

    That statement says a lot about you.

  39. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 9:48 pm

    …As I remarked to my better half on the way home, if this is the sentiment amongst people who aren’t even directly affected, imagine what it’s like amongst people who are?

    Did they forget that even people not directly affected will have elderly parents or relatives, perhaps at least one or two chronic illnesses in the family, have teenage or young adult kids who have been to tafe or uni and haven’t been able to get a job.

    It must be terrible to study, working part-time to support yourself so as not to be a burden on the family finances and then languish on the scrap heap while you don’t even get the courtesy of a reply to your job applications.

    I reckon I’d be depressed or a drug addict if that was how the best years of my life ended up.
    We honestly don’t know how it is for young people these days, not knowing if they’ll ever get a decent job or the job they wanted and educated themselves for. We can’t all be tony abbott’s daughter and have an education and career handed to us without any expectation of payment courtesy of daddy’s influence.

    world’s worst employer:

    http://congress2014.ituc-csi.org/live-stream-64

    They look for places that have high unemployment and then it’s slave labour conditions.

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2014 9:52 pm

    I’ve also been out for a nice meal – Italian in Richmond, and Fifi has never been a fan of Abbott, so no news there.

    She did observe (again) that Abbott can’t know much about finances given-
    o He’s been on a parliamentary salary for the best part of 2 decades
    o His wife works
    o He’s in his mid 50s
    o His family is all grown up
    o He hasn’t paid tertiary fees for at least one daughter

    …but…he’s taken out a $½ million mortgage on his house, for living expenses, this isn’t the behaviour of a man that understands living within his means.

  41. May 22, 2014 9:58 pm

    “Did they forget that even people not directly affected will have….”

    No, I think that’s the point. We personally at the table might not be directly affected, but we know friends and family who may well be…

    “I reckon I’d be depressed or a drug addict if that was how the best years of my life ended up.”

    Yep Exactly.

    If Uni grads can’t even get a job these days, what hope is there for those without tertiary qualifications.

    Punishing young people for being unemployed simply because they’re young and unemployed is not the answer.

    And I’m surprised and shocked that there are people who think that it is.

    What utter “grubs” they must be.

  42. May 22, 2014 10:00 pm

    “Italian in Richmond”

    Gasp, I was in Richmond having Thai ToM…!

  43. May 22, 2014 10:02 pm

    “this isn’t the behaviour of a man that understands living within his means.”

    But imagine the money he must be making from the royalties from Battlelines…

    *sarcasm alert.

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2014 10:37 pm

    I think I’ll read Battlelines straight after Julia’s autobiography.

    I’ll pick them up an The Reject Shop, $5 for the 2.

  45. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 10:48 pm

    It’s all happening in sydney

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-22/police-clash-with-student-protesters-at-liberal-party-event/5471868

    …Police have clashed with demonstrators who tried to storm a Liberal Party debate at Sydney University being adjudicated by Education Minister Christopher Pyne.

    Senators George Brandis and Mitch Fifield, along with Human Rights Commissioner Tim Wilson, were on the guest list for the John Howard Debating Cup at the university’s St John’s College…

    i would’ve thought they’d be clamouring to get out of, not into an event with that lot!

  46. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 11:11 pm

    …but…he’s taken out a $½ million mortgage on his house, for living expenses, this isn’t the behaviour of a man that understands living within his means…

    yes, his whole life and career paid for or sponsored in some way by others, and in the last two decades every little indulgence he can get away with, stuck on the the taxpayer tab [and some that shouldn’t be].

    The mortgage was in his ‘wilderness years’ 🙂 when he wasn’t getting a minister’s salary, just an opposition wage, poor thing. He has a wife and 3 daughters who like to wear expensive designer clothing and they are all members of the ‘high society’, nothing is cheap.

    I think I’ll read Battlelines straight after Julia’s autobiography.

    There’s been a number of media commentators pointing out that he seems to have had a few changes of mind since battlelines.

    http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2013/july/1372600800/waleed-aly/inside-tony-abbotts-mind

  47. May 22, 2014 11:32 pm

    I’ll pick them up an The Reject Shop, $5 for the 2.

    I think you are being generous, I do have it on good authority that they both come with a free set of well used knives and a complementary shaft.

    AO.. I honestly believe that this budget is designed to beak peoples resolve in order to make it easier for those of affluence to dictate how and what people do in all aspects of Australia’s social fabric.

    They are not taking a backward step in the ideology of what they are trying to do. This is Abbots vision for Australia, a Darwinian free market jungle devoid of any sense of empathy or social responsibility. I
    Its all there:
    * Breaking down of protection from racism
    * Christian religion in school
    * Tax breaks for the affluent
    * Work till you die
    * Defending public broadcasting, ABC and SBS
    * Destroying the NBN
    * Abolishing climate change action and destroying clean energy sector
    * Shady trade deals
    * Economic oppression
    * Racist immigration and Gulags*
    * Extreme economic rationalism and less regulated free market monopolies
    * Radicalisation of free market education
    * Attacks on universal healthcare
    The list goes on… and on

    Because these fuckwits sailed in to government on a lie, they feel they can try it all on as they have contempt for working class because they think that everyone has swallowed the lie.. that’s why the language is so strong..mandate, necessary measures, emergency, you will thank us…ect…

    It’ the intent behind the ideology of it all that is of real concern. Virtually every aspect of the social order of things is assaulted and affected as if they are trying to implement social engineering based upon a wish list of disconnected elitist assumptions. What they think is good and moral.. I wish that I was being dramatic about the consequence their actions but it is all there in Black and white preempted by the Commission of Audit.

    Anyone who knew anything about Abbott pre election knew he was a liar and incapable of governing for the majority….

  48. May 22, 2014 11:36 pm

    “Virtually every aspect of the social order of things is assaulted and affected as if they are trying to implement social engineering based upon a wish list of disconnected elitist assumptions. “

    Yep that’s it precisely.

  49. May 22, 2014 11:42 pm

    “these fuckwits sailed in to government on a lie, they feel they can try it all on as they have contempt for working class because they think that everyone has swallowed the lie.. that’s why the language is so strong..mandate, necessary measures, emergency, you will thank us…”

    So fkn true, and we won’t “thank them” cos there is no fkn “emergency”..

  50. May 22, 2014 11:50 pm

    Reb the only “emergency” is this megalomaniac sociopath and his radical ideologues have the keys to the lodge.

  51. Tony permalink
    May 22, 2014 11:53 pm

    “That statement says a lot about you.”

    Does it? Let me guess: It says I’m an uncompassionate wingnut who has no compassion?

  52. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 12:46 am

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 12:57 am

  54. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 1:15 am

  55. egg permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:37 am

    ‘…. doing lines with a brain like porridge.’

    Only the middle class can afford such luxury, mainly its just weed and pills.

  56. egg permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:41 am

    ‘EVERYONE needs to calm down. This budget is not tough; arguably, it is too soft.

    ‘The explanation for the hostile reaction to — and misinformation about — the budget largely revolves around the slight reduction in entitlements to various groups, which are no longer sustainable given the fall in the terms of trade and our ongoing sluggish productivity performance.’

    Sloan / Oz

  57. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:51 am

    AO Makes a bottle of grange look pretty trivial

  58. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:53 am

    the outright attack on the unemployed, young people in general and the elderly.

    Don’t forget families on middle to low income reb. We have been smashed with this piece of shit. And that isn’t taking into account the additional burden of extra support we need to provide for young adults (of which we have two living at home). They are attempting to save, but, this will hit them very hard, which in turn hits us harder in order to help support them.

    And I’m surprised and shocked that there are people who think that it is.

    One thing this budget has done is exposed the extremely narrow and self indulgent view many Australians have. Luckily, this budget is so braod, in that the it only really misses out on the high income bracket, that many of those people mentioned above have also been hit. It was interesting to say the least to hear them telling us to HTFU (we all have to pay) Didn’t that change once they worked out THEY have to pay too.

    And, to fix it, all we have to do is re-introduce the Carbon Price and Mining Tax, as that is all this budget is covering the cost of.

  59. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:59 am

    The explanation for the hostile reaction to — and misinformation about — the budget largely revolves around the fact that every time a coalition member makes a statement about it, it turns out to be WRONG!

    Oh, that and the other minor detail that it RIPS THE GUTS OUT OF OUR SOCIAL STRUCTURE!

  60. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2014 8:02 am

    It’s almost like reading a murdoch paper, çept in reverse

    This is unprecedented, surely. It’s hard to write about in balanced terms; how else do you describe a rotund sack of excrement like Joe Hockey without calling him a rotund sack of excrement? Fuck, it’s biased to describe him as anything else.

    http://anthonybieniak.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/ruminations-on-balanced-journalism.html

  61. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2014 9:04 am

    Our national embarassment has gone viral 😦

    How Australia’s winking Tony Abbott became one of the world’s most unpopular prime ministers

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/05/22/how-australias-winking-tony-abbott-became-one-of-the-worlds-most-unpopular-prime-ministers/

  62. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2014 9:17 am

    “like reading a murdoch paper, çept in reverse”

    The public already pays for that approach via the ABC and SBS.

    “demonstrators who tried to storm a Liberal Party debate at Sydney University “

    What is it with the left and violence? Whenever someone says something they don’t like a mob of thugs turns out to shut them up. Fucking fascist goons – to dumb to make a logical argument, they resort to violence instead.

  63. egg permalink
    May 23, 2014 9:24 am

    I’ll put on the popcorn.

  64. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2014 9:28 am

    The public already pays for that approach via the ABC and SBS

    Really? An outfit that is continuously begging forgiveness from the Governemnt every time they print something a little bit challenging to tabot and his cohorts. What a joke SB. This old chestnut about the abc being “lefties”is so outdated, and obviously wrong

    ulman, fran kelly, and the new guy for media watch (who actually does run it pretty much down the line)

    yea, a hotbed of lefties ROFL

    Just because it’s not Far Right Wingnuttery doesn’t mean it’s lefty

    Maybe they are Anarchists? Oh, that’s right, Anarchists aren’t RWDB, therefore, they are Lefties 😯

  65. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2014 9:33 am

    I’ll put on the popcorn.

    egg finds his niche

  66. Meta permalink
    May 23, 2014 9:35 am

    (Terrible stuff, SB; especially the rampaging mob of clap-happy sheilas threatening the phalanx of police.)

  67. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2014 9:40 am

    Nah, the ABC is consistently left. Fran Kelly isn’t even a journalist:

    She came late to journalism, at 29, and cheerily admits to having had no training, apart from volunteering at the community radio station Triple R. “What I am really am is an activist,” she says.”

    Being an activist is obviously more important than being a journalist at the ABC – exactly what you would expect from the progeny of Ashbolt’s Kindergarten.

    And now the ABC is acting exactly like a corporate monolith in the Kenny case – threatening to bankrupt him with the cost of litgation. Anything to defend their target audience of dogfuckers, I guess.

  68. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2014 9:50 am

    St John’s College is a venerable institution, Meta.

    There was a young man from St John’s
    Who hankered to bugger the swans.
    Said the gracious night porter:
    “Sir, take my daughter.
    The swans are reserved for the dons!”

  69. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2014 9:55 am

    Fran Kelly isn’t even a journalist:

    I AGREE! 😉

    And now the ABC is acting exactly like a corporate monolith in the Kenny case

    Didn’t they apologise to him, publicly? Personally, I think they should apologise to the dog, but meh

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2014 10:50 am

    They are not taking a backward step in the ideology of what they are trying to do. This is Abbots vision for Australia, a Darwinian free market jungle devoid of any sense of empathy or social responsibility

    Well dot pointed, ToM, highlights what many of us have believed for some time!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What is it with the left and violence? Whenever someone says something they don’t like a mob of thugs turns out to shut them up. Fucking fascist goons …

    I’m trying to come to terms with these terms .. “the left and violence” … “Fucking fascist goons” …

    Does “fascist” refer to the cops? Who seemed to be “over-reactive” to say the least …

    ♬♫♪♫ ♪ Ya can’t have one without the o-o-ther ♫♪♪♬

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I PREFER TO THRIVE IN A SOCIETY THAN SURVIVE IN AN ECONOMY!

  71. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2014 11:05 am

    Yes what is it with the left and violence?? Looks like ALP supporters believe they are right in everything and will not tolerate opposing views.

    “So fkn true, and we won’t “thank them” cos there is no fkn “emergency”
    .

    There is an emergency. We cannot continue to run $40B deficits unless you believe printing money is the solution to debt.

  72. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 11:06 am

    “What I am really am is an activist,” she says.”

    an activist for what? Doesn’t appear to be politics.

    And now the ABC is acting exactly like a corporate monolith in the Kenny case

    so they should, even kenny’s own son said he deserved it and described him as “an unrelenting apologist for the Liberal Party who participates in “bully campaigns”. There would not be anyone but rusted on liberals who think kenny is genuine in his outrage, it was all designed to be a political attack on the ABC.

    Talking of legal bullying, how is joliar’s libel case going?

    abbott & co are doing some stand up now, trying to erase people’s memories with blah, blah, blah. The cough is a giveaway when questioned, we then get the “families should be off limit” mantra, especially when we’re caught out in graft. Love how he always knows and declares what the australian public want, and it’s always the same as what he wants.

  73. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 11:21 am

    What is it with the left and violence? Whenever someone says something they don’t like a mob of thugs turns out to shut them up. Fucking fascist goons …

    They don’t try to shut them up, they just try to let these protected elites know how they feel about it. They are passionate about their education and their careers – good to see, and they will be paying for it all themselves won’t be given freebies because daddy is as corrupt as a mafia boss.

    In a proper democracy where a government has the power to make policy affecting real people’s lives and livelihoods, such robust interest should be appreciated and valued, not stifled.

  74. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 11:38 am

    There is an emergency. We cannot continue to run $40B deficits unless you believe printing money is the solution to debt.

    if there really was an emergency, they wouldn’t have brought down a budget that doesn’t affect the deficit at all.

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 11:48 am

    An Open Letter to Frances Abbott:
    http://theaimn.com/2014/05/22/an-open-letter-to-frances-abbott/

    exactly

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 11:58 am

    what don’t they understand about private business?

    …In the federal budget, the government announced that from 2016 it would for the first time extend direct government funding to private colleges.
    The changes, which also extend support for TAFEs, and diploma and associate degree courses, will cost $820 million over three years…

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-friend-linked-to-60000-scholarship-for-frances-abbott-at-private-college-20140521-38olh.html#ixzz32V2X1Fjd

  77. egg permalink
    May 23, 2014 11:59 am

    Yes … but … back to the Green Army.

    http://www.environment.gov.au/cleaner-environment/clean-land/green-army

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2014 12:10 pm

    NO, egg … we’ll stay on topic … Arsehole Abbott (seeing as how ToSY objects to Adolf) …

    Tony Abbott has been a parliamentarian since 1994.

    This means he is a privileged member of the old Commonwealth defined benefit superannuation scheme.

    Only politicians elected on, or after, the federal election of 2004 are subjected to the less-generous contributory scheme introduced in haste by Prime Minister John Howard (at the goading of then Opposition leader Mark Latham), which is similar to most schemes available to Australian workers, though the annual contribution amount has grown from nine per cent to 15 per cent.

    It is interesting to note, neither men’s pension arrangements were affected, not a whit, by the legislative fiddling.

    Mr Abbott, as prime minister, currently receives an annual salary of around $503,000.

    Current parliamentary pension rules state that a rate of 75 per cent of salary payable to the highest office a person has attained is the annual pension.

    That would mean Abbott’s putative pension would be about $377,000 a year.

    However, legislation has capped the top payable rate at around $200,000 a year (before tax), which is approximately the pension former prime ministers Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd receive now they are no longer in parliament.

    As things stand, Tony Abbott the pensioner of the future can expect at least $200,000 a year, an office, up to four staff and a car, plus generous travel arrangements – a perk denied to lesser MPs.

    Recent history shows Mr Abbott is unusually sensitive to changes to his fiscal position.

    In 2007, when the Howard government lost power and he was relegated to an opposition backbencher’s salary – an income cut of about 40 per cent – Abbott was forced to take out a $700,000 mortgage on his northern beaches home.

    Mr Abbott made it perfectly clear it was a situation to his disliking.

    “What’s it called? Mortgage stress? The advent of the Rudd Government has caused serious mortgage stress for a section of the Australian community, i.e. former Howard government ministers,” he said at the time.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/prime-minister-tony-abbotts-finances-if-not-political-future-are-secure-20140521-38oe5.html

  79. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2014 12:29 pm

    We cannot continue to run $40B deficits

    We weren’t

  80. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 12:38 pm

    “Don’t hate the playa, hate the game.”
    Read more at http://www.mamamia.com.au/social/frances-abbott-whitehouse/#jvuEdrs3TXoT7d67.99

    …The richest citizens in this country exist in tight-knit circles of nepotism. From a very young age, they’re trussed together at private schools; at expensive extra curricular programmes, at university. All of these institutions function as networking events.
    Then, in adulthood, these connections begin to pay off. Someone wins a place at someone else’s brother’s law firm. Someone’s old school chum knows about a terrific investment opportunity. Someone’s dad’s mate is sitting on the board of a fancy private design school

    …This isn’t about one rich young woman; it’s about a system that rewards the haves over the have-nots each and every time…

  81. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 12:43 pm

    oh wait, there’s more

    Whitehouse Staff Register Reveals No Role For Frances Abbott:
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/05/23/whitehouse-staff-register-reveals-no-role-frances-Abbott

    …First it was a secret scholarship. Now it appears to be a job with no role. Chris Graham brings you the latest on ‘Whitehousegate’

    Growing community anger over the awarding of a secret scholarship worth $60,000 to Frances Abbott is unlikely to abate amid fresh revelations that the daughter of the Prime Minister appears to have been employed by the college in a job with no defined role…

    just an aside, I’m really pleased to see chris graham at NM, I admired his work at NIT.

  82. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2014 12:57 pm

    Tom R

    You are totally insane. Anybody who believes anything published while Wayne Swan was Treasurer needs help.

    This is Wayne Swan from his 2012-13 budget speech.

    The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies.

    You people think we should keep running $40B deficits every year so we can eat drink and be merry.

  83. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2014 1:05 pm

    it’s about a system that rewards the haves over the have-nots each and every time

    Mind you, for politicians especially, there are (supposedly) safe guards to help protect them from themselves.

    tabot is a habitual rorter of the system. It is beyond time that he was held up to the standards he expected of others.

    I do feel sorry for his daughter for having been brought into this. It must be hard enough already having such an embarrassment for a father figure.

  84. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2014 1:07 pm

    You are totally insane. Anybody who believes anything published while Wayne Swan was Treasurer needs help.

    Does that count for anything published by new corpse? 😆

    Sorry nil, the boat has well and truly left on that. The budget dodge by hockey has been exposed, even many murdoch writers are accepting it now. Time for you to accept it as well perhaps? (ok, that last wasn’t really serious)

  85. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2014 1:18 pm

    TomR

    This is Swan from 2012

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2012-13/content/myefo/html/03_part_3-01.htm

    Table 3.6 shows surpluses for the next four years.

    Like i said. Anything published while Swan was Treasurer is not to be trusted.

  86. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2014 1:43 pm

    “The richest citizens in this country exist in tight-knit circles of nepotism.”

    I know exactly what you mean – class reproduction among the ruling elite.

  87. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2014 1:50 pm

    Anything published while Swan was Treasurer is not to be trusted.

    published by the same people as now. The ones who an’t be trusted are those that say this is Labors debt, when a cursory examination shows that not to be true

    the gig is up nil, welcome back to reality

  88. May 23, 2014 1:53 pm

    Yes what is it with the left and violence?? Looks like ALP supporters believe they are right in everything and will not tolerate opposing views…..b

    There is an emergency. We cannot continue to run $40B deficits unless you believe printing money is the solution to debt.

    Well well will you look at this aye? detailed retort defending his team?
    Predictably No… Just more of the same vitriolic generalisation that personifies this government that is entrenched in this manifesto of social engineering masquerading as an economic plan. An archetypal fiberal low intellect, parroting lemming mindlessly accepting the lies verbatim mesmerized in the fiberal equivalent of Stockholm syndrome. A prime example of one of those lemming you see marching mindlessly proud under the propaganda banners of despot dictators.

    Violence? All the marches I have attended were very peaceful and filled with middle class fiberal voters who are angry at the outright lies and deceptive break of trust.

    Right in everything? No critical thinking employs analysis not compliance. It is every major credible economist in the known universal and Squeals hero John Winston that think it is wrong…

    Emergency? So every credible economist in the universe is incorrect and you,an economic simpleton armed with the lobotomised auto reactive “deficit bad” idiocy are right?

    Well we know who is “insane” 🙄

    SQUEALS INDEFENSIBLY FAILS

  89. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 2:18 pm

    …tabot is a habitual rorter of the system. It is beyond time that he was held up to the standards he expected of others…

    he is doing what he was brought up to do, have a privileged life, born to rule mentality and get ahead through favours and sucking up to the powerful and influential. Also no personal responsibility or consequences for any bad behaviour or rorts.

    I do feel sorry for his daughter for having been brought into this. It must be hard enough already having such an embarrassment for a father figure…

    As this conservative commenter says:
    http://opiniondominion.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/the-scholarship-story-in-more-anonymous.html
    …Tony, the question is more about whether anyone else got a chance to put their “academic potential” to the College. And stop crapping on about how you “leave your family out of it”. Frances couldn’t be pried off your side during the last election campaign, you user…

    …Yoo – hoo, Andrew Bolt, won’t you do a post on this?

  90. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2014 2:31 pm

    and you,an economic simpleton armed with the lobotomised auto reactive “deficit bad” idiocy are right?

    Absolutely.

  91. egg permalink
    May 23, 2014 2:41 pm

    ‘NO, egg … we’ll stay on topic …’

    I’m the only one on topic, what to do about youth unemployment?

  92. May 23, 2014 2:44 pm

    Absolutely.

    I “absolutely” rest my case.. he is indeed a fucking half wit who obviously adicted to stupidity and comes here for some type of kinko humiliation. therapy.

  93. May 23, 2014 2:46 pm

    Hey Egg just finished “the bridge” bloody awesome.. about to start Fargo.. loving Silicone valley. thanks for the heads up.. 🙂

  94. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 23, 2014 2:46 pm

    More Liberal grubbiness.

  95. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2014 2:46 pm

    published by the same people as now.

    And what they published was always wrong under Swan or hadn’t you noticed??

    When they said we would get a surplus we got a deficit. When they predicted a deficit we got one but it was usually twice as big as predicted.

    Rude as always you people. Drop a mess on the floor and then condemn when it is not immediately cleaned up.

    The Treasurer must have more power than i thought. Swan totally corrupted Treasury. I believes the figures under Hockey.

  96. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 2:51 pm

    The Treasurer must have more power than i thought. Swan totally corrupted Treasury. I believes the figures under Hockey…

    But treasurer hockey couldn’t corrupt the treasury? [there’s that cognitive dissonance again] 😛

  97. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 2:58 pm

    I “absolutely” rest my case.. he is indeed a fucking half wit who obviously adicted to stupidity and comes here for some type of kinko humiliation. therapy.

    He is one of those S & M loving, self flagellating conservatives, can’t you hear the crack of the cat o’ nine tails? and we surely witness the chanting and the climax ourselves, it’s here in comments every day He’s not called ‘squeals’ for nothing 😉

  98. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2014 2:59 pm

    “But treasurer hockey couldn’t corrupt the treasury?

    I guess he could.

    But Swans predictions were ludicrous. Anybody with a brain new that. Swan should be in jail for making false claims to the Australian people.

    The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies.”

    Wayne Swan 2012-13

  99. egg permalink
    May 23, 2014 2:59 pm

    ‘…thanks for the heads up.. ‘

    That’s alright.

    ———-

    “In the tourism, hospitality, retail space, the feedback we get from our members is that they could employ more people tomorrow if they weren’t paying significant penalty rates on weekends and public holidays.

    “Similarly for youth wages, this is not about trying to screw young people. It’s about having a system where businesses can afford to employ them,” Ms Carnell said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/small-business/trends/acci-prioritises-youth-unemployment-20140521-38naz.html#ixzz32VmBkql5

  100. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 3:12 pm

    Similarly for youth wages, this is not about trying to screw young people. It’s about having a system where businesses can afford to employ them,” Ms Carnell said.

    BS, it’s about implementing the wish list of all those business donors to the IPA and the liberal party. The youth will be exploited like never seen before!

  101. egg permalink
    May 23, 2014 3:40 pm

    ‘The youth will be exploited like never seen before!’

    If we can’t devise a system to help give them a start, then everything will remain the same.

    You see everything through political blinkers, leading to a distorted view of reality.

  102. May 23, 2014 3:52 pm

    But Swans predictions were ludicrous. Anybody with a brain new that. .

    Well that rules you out sunshine 🙄

    Swan Rabbit and Joliar should be in jail for making false claims to the Australian people.

    Oh behold and trumpet the dawning of a new stratospheric high bar hypocritical irony… did you buy a large bridge like structure that resembles a coat hanger Sydney by any chance?
    🙂

  103. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 4:25 pm

    If we can’t devise a system to help give them a start, then everything will remain the same.

    Why should our youth be thrown on the altar of exploitation so predatory business can make more profits? Of course unscrupulous business will be setting up shop all over the place, it’ll be the home insulation scheme all over again!

    Business get quite enough tax breaks and taxpayer subsidies, if they can’t make it without exploiting the young, perhaps they should get out.

    australians need to be aware of what is coming for them:

    http://www.salon.com/2014/02/23/worse_than_wal_mart_amazons_sick_brutality_and_secret_history_of_ruthlessly_intimidating_workers/

    http://www.ituc-csi.org/amazon-s-jeff-bezos-wins-ituc-s

    why don’t we do something about the way the way the privileged get their own stupid offspring [and i don’t specifically mean the abbott daughter] into jobs? how about we stop funding private corporations through taxpayer funded largesse? Now you want the government to introduce legislation to further enrich people at the expense of young people, we should be taxing these people more not giving in to their greed.

    This is what privilege looks like:

    http://cheeseburgergothic.com/show/5924

  104. Uncompassionate Wingnut permalink
    May 23, 2014 4:33 pm

    “The House of Commons starts its proceedings with a prayer. The chaplain looks at the assembled members with their varied intelligence and then prays for the country.” ~ Lord Denning

  105. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2014 4:37 pm

    I’m the only one on topic, what to do about youth unemployment?

    You forgot the part about suicide then. Or does that not concern you?

    If we can’t devise a system to help give them a start, then everything will remain the same.

    We have a system that is already so weighted towards the young that, once they reach a certain age, they are no longer employed. Going further down the wage scale is not going to fix this. Forcing unemployed young people to search out alternative forms of income instead of the dole, when there are no legally paying jobs available, will give them a start, in crime though. Reducing the penalty rates for weekends will see only the pay rates for workers go down, and profits for business go up. A corresponding rise in employment is not going to happen. They already have those needed working. You think a cafe will put on more people just because it is cheaper? Laughable. Offering incentives to employers to employ older people is not devising a system to help youths get a start, it is working against them. And most poignantly, destroying the YOUTH transition to employment services is the completely opposite to devising a system to help give them a start. It is the polar opposite, and it is a clear indication about what the purpose of this budget is, not to help people, but to make things cheaper for business and Government, at the expense of everyone else.

  106. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2014 4:41 pm

    That’s fucking disgusting AO, another daughter suddenly rising on “merit”

    And tabot has the temerity to say this

    “I think families should be left out of it,” he said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dfat-anger-over-louise-abbotts-foreign-affairs-job-20140523-zrloo.html#ixzz32WCIVWS5

    I can imagine the “merit based” process she went through.

  107. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 5:12 pm

    That’s fucking disgusting AO, another daughter suddenly rising on “merit”

    yes, all on merit, like the libs and female MP representation, “based on merit and not gender”

    heavens I just realised that more abbott daughters have been given jobs on merit than in his own cabinet. No wonder he’s really into his PPL/nanny scheme, would it benefit any family members? *wink*

    “I think families should be left out of it,” he said.

    like this:

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 5:29 pm

    hahaha, another $3000 gift!

  109. egg permalink
    May 23, 2014 5:32 pm

    ‘You forgot the part about suicide then. Or does that not concern you?’

    It’s a complex issue, young people kill themselves for different reasons and not necessarily because they can’t find a good job.

    ‘You think a cafe will put on more people just because it is cheaper? Laughable.’

    Its not a matter of putting on more people, more a case of whether to open or stay closed.

    ‘Offering incentives to employers to employ older people is not devising a system to help youths get a start, it is working against them.’

    Refreshing argument, but its chalk and cheese, the old codger may have useful skills and the young person might not. The employer has to decide which is best.

  110. May 23, 2014 5:39 pm

    “the purpose of this budget is, not to help people, but to make things cheaper for business and Government, at the expense of everyone else.”

    Exactly right.

    The next step will be to abolish the minimum wage.

  111. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 5:40 pm

    Not news to me. Couldn’t the journos have done some work on this before the election?

  112. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 5:55 pm

    last one before I have to go out

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2014 6:05 pm

    I do feel sorry for his daughter for having been brought into this.

    DON”T!

    It was the wife and daughters of Abbott who “decided” to prove that he isn’t a misogynist (and failed miserably – it continues today) … they chose to become part of the “circus” …

  114. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 6:05 pm

    All Tony Abbott wants is everything Tony Abbott wants:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/23/all-tony-abbott-wants-is-everything-tony-abbott-wants

    The Coalition has struggled to convince Australia that their budget is the only way to reform the nation. What does the prime minister want now? Mostly for his critics to leave him alone

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2014 6:10 pm

    “and you,an economic simpleton armed with the lobotomised auto reactive “deficit bad” idiocy are right?” Absolutely.

    So you are an economic simpleton … and lobotomised … and an idiot …

    Kneel, some advise … this is NOT Café Whispers!

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2014 6:11 pm

    advice

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2014 6:12 pm

    I’m the only one on topic, what to do about youth unemployment?

    And that is to get rid of the zombies running the fkn country!

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2014 6:15 pm

    More Liberal grubbiness.

    Does this get any worse … no wonder fkn Howard wanted to disarm the public!

  119. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2014 6:20 pm

    “And that is to get rid of the zombies running the fkn country!

    We did. That happened last year.

    These zombies racked up $250B of debt in just 6 years with nothing to show for it. We are now paying $12B/year paying interest on this debt and the budget has been trashed.

    Even worse, we sold our humanitarian places for $10,000 instead of giving these places to people from UNHCR camps.

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2014 6:26 pm

    But Swans predictions were ludicrous.

    Probably were BUT didn’t include:

    A $9 billion handout to the RBA (an organisation – contrary to popular belief – that is dedicated to ensuring that banks don’t fail) that should have been GIVEN by the banks not the PEOPLE!

    An ADDITIONAL surprise purchase of 58 F35’s that can’t even fly properly! We had ordered 12! The Addition – $12 billion …

    TOTAL $21 Billion .. of additional funds required … so pensioners, students and sick people are pillaged to buy weapons … welcome to the 16th Century Australia!

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 23, 2014 6:29 pm

    Yes, families are legitimate targets in the pursuit of political advantage.

    Remember Julia’s step daughter posing in a bikini, showing her extensive ‘art work’ – though some considered her off limits. Even Tim was too.

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2014 6:30 pm

    Does Ms Carnell work on weekends … how simple are the questions, a serious well-trained, objective journalist would ask?

    What does she earn …

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2014 6:31 pm

    You see everything through political blinkers, leading to a distorted view of reality.

    LOL!!!!!!!

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2014 6:37 pm

    Its not a matter of putting on more people, more a case of whether to open or stay closed.
    Its called “the market economy” … if the business can’t operate in the kitchen?

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2014 6:40 pm

    ‘Offering incentives to employers to employ older people is not devising a system to help youths get a start, it is working against them.’

    Do get the contradictions in this budget … everything that has been suggested by the budget is actually contraire to building the economy … some of us know why … others don’t .. but sub-consciously they know its WRONG!

  126. Tom of Melboune permalink
    May 23, 2014 6:53 pm

    It’s not much use complaining about the limited employment opportunities for >50s, and also complaining about programs that seek to change the willingness of employers to employ them.

  127. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2014 6:55 pm

    “An ADDITIONAL surprise purchase of 58 F35′s that can’t even fly properly! We had ordered 12! The Addition – $12 billion

    Surprise purchase??? We were actually going to order 100!!! Fifty eight is about half of what we were going to buy.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/pms-push-for-missile-supremacy/story-e6frg6n6-1225706315281

    The RAAF will get about 100 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters starting with three squadrons of up to 72 planes as well as eight new long-range surveillance aircraft, expected to be the P-8 Poseidon, to replace the ageing AP-3C Orion fleet.”

    This was from a White Paper published by your lord and master Kevin Rudd.

    And you lefties wonder why i do not believe ANYTHING you say.

  128. egg permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:10 pm

    ‘And that is to get rid of the zombies running the fkn country!’

    You may get your chance in a couple of months and a possible return to the Third Way.

  129. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:13 pm

    MORE EVIDENCE THAT TB OF QUEENSLAND GIVES FALSE INFORMATION

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/kevin-rudd-signs-off-on-purchase-of-14-f-35-joint-strike-fighters/story-e6frg8yo-1225803790418

    THE Rudd government has given the green light to Australia’s largest ever defence purchase, approving a buy of 14 F-35 joint strike fighters at a cost of $3.2 billion.

    Cabinet’s national security committee has backed the RAAF’s plan to buy at least 72 of the fifth generation fighters at a projected cost of at least $12bn but Australia’s F-35’s will be bought in batches with the first aircraft expected to be delivered in 2014.

    Defence minister, John Faulkner, announced yesterday government approval for the the first batch of F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) aircraft as foreshadowed in the 2009 Defence White Paper with approval for further acquisitions to be considered in 2012″

  130. egg permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:19 pm

    ‘Its called “the market economy” … if the business can’t operate in the kitchen?’

    Cafes and restaurants can be risky ventures, dependent on through traffic to remain viable. Reducing the rates slightly on Sunday will not encourage them to open, so I don’t see this as an attack on the minimum wage.

  131. egg permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:22 pm

    Good catch Neil.

  132. egg permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:26 pm

    ‘… no wonder fkn Howard wanted to disarm the public!’

    Funny, I always thought it was because of some ratbag in Taswegia.

  133. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:27 pm

    Couldn’t the journos have done some work on this before the election?

    I read an article by waleed Aly the other day where he wondered this, but kind of forgot to mention that he was part of that media scrum that got lost up it’s own fundament. I rate Aly fairly well, but, perhaps it is the sheer enormity of our media inability that holds even talented ones back. or perhaps he’s just not that good. Andrew Elder spotted it too

    Now the popular focus is on how we got ourselves done over by this dickhead whom the media said wouldn’t be this bad. Now the popular focus is on how we reverse the doing-over; there are opportunities here for Labor and for Clive Palmer, but not Bob Katter nor Malcolm Turnbull nor even Christine Milne. Whether Tony Abbott lives or dies is of no importance but to the press gallery, whose assurances gave Abbott’s the weight they would have otherwise lacked.

    he then challenges Aly’s (and most “conventional” wisdom) about Labors “Chaos”. He gets it in one

    Labor couldn’t win a game where the rules of consultation and evidence-based policy counted for nothing, or only ever counted against them, which explains why they didn’t.

    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/looking-for-second-chance.html

    I find it passing strange )to say the least) that so many commentators are saying that at least this budget accepts the fact that we have a budgetary problem, even if it fails to address it. I am guessing they were too busy during the Labor years ranting about “Class Warfare” and LIES that they missed all those attempts to wind back howards profligacy.

    In this, Abbott was assisted by journalists who were (and are) ill-equipped to deal with policy issues. Their experience of policy was (and is) long, earnest and dull tomes written by public servants. They have no training or interest in policy issues, and do not engage with stakeholders except to extract “grabs” (quotations), which they do not examine but which acts as filler for their output.

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:30 pm

    Surprise purchase??? We were actually going to order 100!!!

    WRONG AGAIN! That’s what the fkn RAAF WANTED ..

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:40 pm

    MORE EVIDENCE THAT TB OF QUEENSLAND GIVES FALSE INFORMATION

    Cabinet’s national security committee has backed the RAAF’s plan to buy at least 72 of the fifth generation fighters at a projected cost of at least $12bn but Australia’s F-35′s will be bought in batches with the first aircraft expected to be delivered in 2014.

    AND MORE EVIDENCE THAT KNEEL IS A LIBERAL PONCE

    Analyse the above … “has backed” … not approved … “the RAAF’s plan” … no government approval … “but Australia’s F-35′s will be bought in batches” … not 58 at one hit!

    We have a national budget EMERGENCY! As you keep screaming .. we can’t afford to buy the F35 lemons … I bet you drive a Jeep!

    So why screw the young, old, weak and fragile to pay for aeroplanes that don’t function properly for an Australian Defence Force!

    Screw the POLITICIANS! And screw the BILLIONAIRES … dickwit!

  136. egg permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:46 pm

    ‘Now the popular focus is on how we reverse the doing-over’

    It was amusing seeing the Murdocracy change their critique of the Budget. Its felt like Rupert made a phone call, but I have no proof.

  137. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:47 pm

    Get stuffed TB. So we were going to have an airforce of 12 planes??

    The Hornets are getting old and need to be replaced. They were going to be replaced by 100 F35’s. The F35’s were having development problems so Brendan Nelson ordered a new Hornett called a Super Hornet as an interim plane until the F35’s were on the production line.

    Cabinet’s national security committee has backed the RAAF’s plan to buy at least 72 of the fifth generation fighters at a projected cost of at least $12bn but Australia’s F-35′s will be bought in batches with the first aircraft expected to be delivered in 2014.

    Defence minister, John Faulkner, announced yesterday government approval for the the first batch of F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF”

    You do know that John Faulkner is a member of the ALP.

    Just admit you were wrong. We were always going to order a large number of F35’s.

    Your statement “An ADDITIONAL surprise purchase of 58 F35′s that can’t even fly properly! We had ordered 12!” is a load of crap.

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:47 pm

    Cafes and restaurants can be risky ventures

    I rest my case !

    Funny, I always thought it was because of some ratbag in Taswegia.

    As do most folk who’ve never had weapons training …

    ====================================

    I read an article by waleed Aly

    I remember how you and I clicked from the start, TR, you’ve really transformed GT in a couple of days … stick around!

    I’me sure KL will agree …

    … and Toillette will be here soon I suspect!

  139. Uncompassionate Wingnut permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:49 pm

    Some here seem a bit tense this evening.

  140. egg permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:50 pm

    ‘… stick around!’

    I second the motion.

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:50 pm

    Get stuffed TB

    Always a good start to a comment to encourage people to read what you are attempting to say …

    So – get stuffed KNEEL!

    Just admit you were wrong. We were always going to order a large number of F35′s

    Only IF they were successful (and they are NOT!)… Abbott has shown once again his ignorance and amateurism

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:52 pm

    Some here seem a bit tense this evening.

    I do hope you don’t have a problem, ToSy?

  143. Compassion Bypass permalink
    May 23, 2014 7:57 pm

    I’m cool. 😉

  144. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2014 8:03 pm

    “Only IF they were successful (and they are NOT!)… Abbott has shown once again his ignorance and amateurism

    Well at least a small admission that you were wrong. This plan was made years ago

    THE Rudd government has given the green light to Australia’s largest ever defence purchase, approving a buy of 14 F-35 joint strike fighters at a cost of $3.2 billion.

    Cabinet’s national security committee has backed the RAAF’s plan to buy at least 72 of the fifth generation fighters

    Are you saying we should have no army, navy or airforce is we have a budget emergency??

  145. egg permalink
    May 23, 2014 8:33 pm

    It appears that the government has increased Defence by around $10 billion, claiming that Labor had cut back on Defence and they have to get the ship back into trim. Something to do with a White Paper.

    http://www.minister.defence.gov.au/2014/05/13/minister-for-defence-budget-2014-15-defence-budget-overview/

  146. VRWC permalink
    May 23, 2014 8:39 pm

    “A society that does not recognize that each individual has values of his own which he is entitled to follow can have no respect for the dignity of the individual and cannot really know freedom.” ~ Friedrich von Hayek

  147. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2014 9:54 pm

    It’s not much use complaining about the limited employment opportunities for >50s, and also complaining about programs that seek to change the willingness of employers to employ them.

    And as TB pointed out, and I mentioned, when you look at them in isolation, there might be sense, but as a total, what cacophony of confusion.

    Make people work till they are older, bribe employers to hire them. Sounds good (not really, but not terrible)

    At the same time, remove all help for younger people seeking to enter the workforce. Remove any sort of safety net for if they cannot. THEN, to add insult to injury, bribe employers with incentives to hire another demographic t the wound, make sure your own offspring are well set up

    What kind of Despicable Me character came up with this ❓ 😯

  148. Tom R permalink
    May 23, 2014 9:57 pm

    It appears that the government has increased Defence by around $10 billion, claiming that Labor had cut back on Defence and they have to get the ship back into trim. Something to do with a White Paper.

    Precisely what I said above.

    We are apparently in a BUDGET EMERGENCY!! SLASH, BURN, CUT (unless you are well off 😉 )

    BUT WAIT! WE NEED PLANES!!

    But Labor cut defense! WHY would they do that? It’s not like we have a budget problem, is it???

    Bugger it, we need planes, just buy ém. The kids can pay with 6 months living expenses each. ❓ 😯

    Fckn evil bastards

  149. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2014 10:04 pm

    Fckn evil bastards

    Well that is your opinion but it is not my opinion. Do you know we have spent $11B more over the last 6 years housing asylum seekers while the real refugees are in UNHCR camps??

    Apparently Morrison is now starting to take refugees from UNHCR camps like we used to but could not because illegal boat people were taking the places.

    We are now spending $12B/year on interest on the debt you lot racked up.

    Fucking wasteful bastards is the ALP and its supporters.

    And fucking evil bastards is the ALP giving our humanitarian places to people with $10,000.

  150. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 23, 2014 10:26 pm

    “Fckn evil bastards”

    We should also mention the 1,500 or so boat people who drowned during the Rudd/Gillard govt. This trade had been stopped under Howard but was started again by the ALP and its supporters.

  151. Robo Barren permalink
    May 23, 2014 10:35 pm

    “Capitalism has created the highest standard of living ever known on earth. The evidence is incontrovertible. The contrast between West and East Berlin is the latest demonstration, like a laboratory experiment for all to see. Yet those who are loudest in proclaiming their desire to eliminate poverty are loudest in denouncing capitalism. Man’s well-being is not their goal.” ~ Ayn Rand

  152. Rubber Baron permalink
    May 23, 2014 10:38 pm

    “Mankind does not drink alcohol because there are breweries, distilleries, and vineyards; men brew beer, distill spirits, and grow grapes because of the demand for alcoholic drinks.” ~ Ludwig von Mises

  153. public toilet permalink
    May 23, 2014 10:44 pm

    Nom-nomnomnom…

  154. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 11:19 pm

    not much dignity or freedom in slavery. you have the freedom to starve.

    “it’s a bittersweet symphony that’s life
    you’re a slave to the money then you die”

    – verve

    “Do not waste your time on Social Questions.
    What is the matter with the poor is Poverty
    what is the matter with the rich is Uselessness.”

    – George Bernard Shaw

  155. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 23, 2014 11:39 pm

    http://crookedtimber.org/2012/07/01/let-it-bleed-libertarianism-and-the-workplace/

    …Libertarianism is a philosophy of individual freedom. Or so its adherents claim. But with their single-minded defense of the rights of property and contract, libertarians cannot come to grips with the systemic denial of freedom in private regimes of power, particularly the workplace. When they do try to address that unfreedom, as a group of academic libertarians calling themselves “Bleeding Heart Libertarians” have done in recent months, they wind up travelling down one of two paths: Either they give up their exclusive focus on the state and become something like garden-variety liberals or they reveal that they are not the defenders of freedom they claim to be…

  156. May 24, 2014 12:31 am

    Tony Abbott international laughing stock
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/05/22/how-australias-winking-tony-abbott-became-one-of-the-worlds-most-unpopular-prime-ministers/?tid=pm_pop

    Libertarians….= most people I have met that call themselves Libertarians are far from Liberty as you can get, they are usually tax avoiding self serving selfish ass hat teabaggs

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2014 12:48 am

    Whitehouse Denies Lobbying, PM Can’t Recall, and 400 People Saw It
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/05/23/whitehouse-denies-lobbying-pm-cant-recall-and-400-people-saw-it

    ‘Whitehousegate’ just got a whole lot messier. The design school denies lobbying, and the PM can’t recall. But lots of other people can, writes Chris Graham.

  158. May 24, 2014 12:49 am

    Squeal just wears out the same 3 points over and over again… Its like watching your lawn grow

    squeals greatest hits
    1 deficit
    2 Uncr camps economic refugees
    3 Under labor, love Howard

    repeat Ad infinitum till everyone is bored to death….

    Squeal broken record

  159. May 24, 2014 1:20 am

    I’m (a[n]) Atheist-Libertarian-quasiSocialist-Sarcastic-periodicallyConservative-imaginativeProfanitist…and fucking proud of it…

  160. May 24, 2014 1:21 am

    Neil doesn’t do objective analysis is a very useful, reliable cog.

  161. May 24, 2014 2:36 am

    Neil doesn’t do objective analysis is a very use ful less reliable co g ck

  162. egg permalink
    May 24, 2014 7:38 am

    ‘What kind of Despicable Me character came up with this?’

    It has the feel of policy on the run and I don’t think they have thought this through.

  163. egg permalink
    May 24, 2014 7:59 am

    ‘The federal government is fighting back against fears of savage cuts to family tax benefits as it confronts a bruising debate over the fairness of more than $7 billion in budget savings.

    ‘Countering claims of a $6000 hit to households each year, a new Treasury analysis shows that families will suffer far less than Labor asserts.’

    Crowe / Oz

    Its political madness to increase Defence spending while cutting back on lower middle class welfare.

  164. egg permalink
    May 24, 2014 8:34 am

    ‘Queensland Premier Campbell Newman has come under fire for calling the people in the electorate of Logan, south of Brisbane, ‘bogans’.

    ‘The comment was made during a sitting of parliament on Wednesday, with Mr Newman interrupting a speech from one of his colleagues to refer to the people from Logan by the offensive term.

    ‘The premier took to the floor again today to say that he had been taken out of context, insisting he did not think that ‘the people of Queensland, in any electorate, are bogans.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2637044/Queensland-premier-calls-people-Logan-bogans.html#ixzz32a4XNFGa
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  165. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 24, 2014 8:51 am

    Neil keeps asking what we have for how to make things better and every day someone tells him, this he completely ignores and keeps asking the same questions again. Robot is not programmed for thought.

    Abbott’s tax strategy lacks conviction and logic:
    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/abbotts-tax-strategy-lacks-conviction-and-logic-20140523-zrlwx.html

    NBN chief executive faces legal action over US utility disasters
    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/23/nbn-executive-legal-action-disasters

    If we health and medical researchers do not stand up now, we will be left with the moral blight of having silently colluded in the destruction of universal healthcare:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/23/joe-hockeys-medical-research-fund-is-nothing-more-than-a-distraction

  166. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2014 9:51 am

    nil likes to talk a lot about people who drowned without any interaction from Labor at all, but remains silent about three people who have died AFTER coming in contact with Australian officials who were operating under liberal directives.

  167. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2014 9:54 am

    I also note he doesn’t appear to want to mention the incongruities within this budget

    Forcing older people back to work. Offering bribes to employers to get them back there. This makes it harder for younger people to get work, who have had their safety net removed if they cannot find work.

    Watch our prisons fill as young kids search for a loaf of bread. Off to Van Diemen’s Land?

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 10:12 am

    Once and for all, Kneel …

    Well at least a small admission that you were wrong. This plan was made years ago

    “THE Rudd government has given the green light to Australia’s largest ever defence purchase, approving a buy of 14 F-35 joint strike fighters at a cost of $3.2 billion.

    Cabinet’s national security committee has backed the RAAF’s plan to buy at least 72 of the fifth generation fighters”

    Read the quote above 14 F35’s were approved (they actually ordered 12 I believe) … the committee backed the RAAF (amidst heavy criticism from specialists in the field) … BUT the cruncher is that …

    … the purchase of 58 ADDITIONAL F35s was not brought up during the election … AND …

    … if we have a “budget emergency” why spend $21 billion now … is the USA planning another war for us to “help” them with …

    Any idea how much 12 years in Afghanistan has cost us and will continue to cost us over the next 50 years … any idea how much 10 years in Vietnam cost us and is still costing us … any idea how much East Timor cost … or Bougainville … or Desert Shield … or Desert Storm?

    So who pays for these 70 dodgy planes … people who are struggling to make ends meet kids at school, uni students, pensioners, the sick and the frail and the weakest in our society …

    If we have a budget emergency (and I have not seen evidence yet) …

    … why spend $21 billion as soon as you become the government?

    Why advocate reverse welfare to the richer end of town with a PPL … if you earn more you get more … means testing gone stupid!

    Why spend money of chaplains in secular public schools …

    Why give business a 1.5% tax break …

    Why take money from schools and health …

    The ideological hypocrisy is writ large in this government’s every move …

    BY the way there is no such thing as a “small” admission … just as there is no such thing as a “small” apology …

    I wasn’t going to address this stupid statement …

    Are you saying we should have no army, navy or airforce is we have a budget emergency??

    I’m an ex member of the defence force, as is my son and both my parents, grandparents five uncles and one aunt … all but one volunteers … and all but one seeing action (my mother and aunt were in the same AAA battery in London during WWII) … I probably have a different perspective to you …

    I have a lot of respect for the Green Machine (I’m part of the family) but I do object to the way (Liberal in particular) governments go off to war at the mention of WMD or gas … and see the young men and women off with a handshake and a smile and then when its over they seem to be too much trouble to deal with … ask any VNV …

    But the point is …

    … if you had a budget crisis at home and you’d been looking at a new car for a couple of years … cause your old car was now 25 years old …

    would you buy a vehicle that has been given all the ticks by the experts, wasn’t too expensive and got the job done and is built in Korea …

    … or would you buy an expensive car that’s rubbished by the experts ’cause its made in Germany …

    … but the brakes only work sometimes, the lights tend to fail at night, fuel consumption is ten times more than the Korean car, and the wheels occasionally fall off …

    Oh, and not tell your wife when you get a special deal and buy three of them!

  169. egg permalink
    May 24, 2014 10:13 am

    ‘Off to Van Diemen’s Land?’

    ** chuckle

  170. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 24, 2014 10:28 am

    “but remains silent about three people who have died AFTER coming in contact with Australian officials who were operating under liberal directives.”

    And how many people died in detention from 2008-2013 under Rudd/Gillard?? I read somewhere there were 25 suicides under Gillard. Nobody cared until Abbott was elected.

    TB

    Give it up mate. These planes were on the drawing board for years/decades. Our Mirages were replaced by Hornets. And now our Hornets are going to be replaced by F35’s

    Are you saying we should have an airforce of 12 F35’s?? We were always going to buy up to 100 F35’s. The final number depending on the final cost of each plane and what the budget can afford. Looks like 58 is well down on the number we were going to buy.

  171. egg permalink
    May 24, 2014 10:28 am

    ‘Forcing older people back to work. Offering bribes to employers to get them back there. This makes it harder for younger people to get work, who have had their safety net removed if they cannot find work.’

    Allowing people to work into old age is not a bad thing in itself, its common in the Third World, but offering incentives to employers to hire them is wrong headed.

    Removing the dole for the Under 25s is fraught with danger, still I’m confident the government has the right strategy if they get a chance to see it through.

  172. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2014 11:06 am

    Allowing people to work into old age is not a bad thing in itself

    Who is “allowing”. This is FORCING!

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 11:15 am

    Do you know we have spent $11B more over the last 6 years housing asylum seekers while the real refugees are in UNHCR camps??

    WTF! “Real” refugees … twisted minds …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yet those who are loudest in proclaiming their desire to eliminate poverty are loudest in denouncing capitalism. Man’s well-being is not their goal.”

    Being a capitalist myself … I must disagree … I don’t denounce capitalism and I want to eliminate poverty … I do denounce Uber Kapitalism (as its become) and the Robber Barons that seek to control it, me and mine …

    The present situation in Australian politics/economy/society are prime examples of capitalism NOT being utilised to eliminate poverty but being used to control and manipulate those near to or in a poverty state …

    BTW ToSY … when you quote someone … your usual modus operandi it would be far more useful to tell us if you agree disagree r just commented to fill in your time …

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 11:34 am

    Give it up mate.

    Not yer mate …

    Are you saying we should have an airforce of 12 F35′s??

    We do actually have other aircraft … and we don’t have to buy ’em now (budget emergency – remember – you keep prattling about it) … its not hard to find this stuff out …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_Royal_Australian_Air_Force_aircraft

    We were always going to buy up to 100 F35′s.

    No, the RAAF wanted/proposed 100 … and the committee agreed … (doesn’t mean the RAAF would get them) the government of the day didn’t agree and chose to test the waters … the JSF development is not going well … we are in fact paying for R&D on a warplane … that doesn’t fly correctly … (I’m sure the Navy would like more ships and the Army more helicopters …)

    The final number depending on the final cost of each plane and what the budget can afford. Looks like 58 is well down on the number we were going to buy.

    Exactly my point THE BUDGET CAN”T AFFORD … we have an EMERGENCY … remember?

    If we can afford to buy warplanes … then we can afford to create jobs, educate children, train and develop people’s skills, treat the sick, look after the unemployed, and nurture our pensioners …

    Thick or what?

    Once again the wall in my office is bloody!

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 11:55 am

    One church is still busy getting itself out of the shit!

    THE United Nations has censured the Vatican’s handling of child sex abuse cases for the second time in three months.

    The Catholic Church’s reputation has been seriously tarnished by worldwide revelations about pedophile priests, and by allegations that for decades its senior officials failed to punish them, or even covered up their crimes.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/un-torture-panel-criticises-vatican/story-e6frfkui-1226930000908

  176. egg permalink
    May 24, 2014 12:02 pm

    ‘Who is “allowing”. This is FORCING!’

    If the old fella is buggered and there is no work, all he requires is a doctor’s certificate. Pity those who are as fit as a fiddle and destined to die with their boots on.

    When the new regime finally kicks in, malingering will be seen as a form of protest against this iniquitous system. There might be an outbreak of dementia, which will be swiftly crushed.

  177. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 24, 2014 12:06 pm

    Rudd ordered the first batch of 14 F35’s in 2009. These will enter service in 2020. The others will follow latter.

    It is now 2014 so i guess payment is a long way off.

    I am not in favor of not having an airforce like you lefties would like. The Hornets are old and due to be retired in 2020.

  178. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 24, 2014 12:29 pm

    Older people who don’t have the capacity to work should get a disability pension.

    The notion that all 65 year olds are past it, is stupid and discriminatory. There is no rational reason to suggest that fit middle aged people should be encouraged to opt out of active employment, on the contrary programs should encourage them to remain in the workforce.

  179. egg permalink
    May 24, 2014 12:32 pm

    ‘It is now 2014 so i guess payment is a long way off.’

    Yep.

  180. egg permalink
    May 24, 2014 12:34 pm

    And I agree with ToM.

  181. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 24, 2014 12:49 pm

    “Yep.”

    Actually when i made that statement i have no idea when the F35’s are paid for.

    Rudd ordered 14 F35’s in 2009 for delivery in 2020. I assume we pay for them when they arrive but i do not know.

    We have ordered a further a further 58 for delivery after 2020. I assume we pay for them when they arrive but i do not know.

    What i do know is that lefties like TB of Queensland tell falsehoods. So i believe nothing TB says until i check it out.

    Also i notice that lefties always want to disarm the country for some reason.

  182. May 24, 2014 1:00 pm

    No comment on the blatant, well documented inefficiencies of the F-35 programme, Neil?

    I wonder why not.

    I’m sure you would’ve been an NBN squirter…y’know, inefficiencies & cost overruns.

    Staying away from a bad deal, at risk of offending an opportunist, leeching superpower, is hardly the same as ‘disarming’ the country. Knob.

    And, it’s a bad deal, whether it’s enacted/supported by either side of politics here. Only people like you could turn it into a partisan pissing contest.

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 1:01 pm

    What i do know is that lefties like TB of Queensland tell falsehoods. So i believe nothing TB says until i check it out.

    Kneel, your comprehension is as limited as your vocabulary, intelligence and obviously a lack of education, you present as a self-centred, narrow minded, with limited life experience and little compassion for your fellow human being.

    You prefer to defend the purchase of warplanes rather than defend pensioners, childrens’ futures, the unemployed, sick and injured …

    I see no reason to continue explaining things over and over to a person who refuses to research and comment coherently … or even understands the basics of how Australians live and die … and a twisted understanding of our politics and particularly human rights responsibilities …

    A pointless exercise … whatever, Kneel, writes in future I shall ignore …

    Enough …

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 1:02 pm

    Just in front of me I see, Toillette …

  185. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 24, 2014 1:12 pm

    “No comment on the blatant, well documented inefficiencies of the F-35 programme, Neil?

    Well my knowledge of the F35 is close to zero. What i do know is that lefties said the same thing about the F111.

    We have about 70 Hornets and they are getting old and need to be replaced. I guess you think we should buy Russian planes instead of American planes.

    As you know i hate the Russians.

    PS. TB OF QUEENSLAND TELLS FALSEHOODS.

  186. Meta permalink
    May 24, 2014 1:22 pm

    (Re Ludovico Van Diemen’s lovely, lovely doubleplay, ‘earn, learn, or leavealmost seems to be a distinct possibility?)

  187. May 24, 2014 1:23 pm

    ” What i do know is that lefties said the same thing about the F111.”

    And I suppose we are to (incorrectly) assume that the other countries (also allies of the same taxpayer exploiting superpower) running away from the F-35 programme as quick as they can escape are ‘lefties’ too?
    Or perhaps they’re just a little more shrewd about how they waste their own taxpayers money?

    ” I guess you think we should buy Russian planes instead of American planes.”

    I don’t think we should be throwing money into a bottomless pit. Especially as we currently seem to be getting lectured about taking more ‘personal responsibility’ for things like health & social security.

    “As you know i hate the Russians.”

    I don’t hate large groups of people based upon where chance had them being born. I save my contempt for individuals who repeatedly demonstrate contemptible characteristics.

  188. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 24, 2014 1:34 pm

    Toilet

    The F35 has bipartisan support. Just google Joel Fitzgibbon and F35’s

    Our current Hornets purchased a long time ago are getting old and need to be replaced.

    What do you think we should replace them with??

  189. May 24, 2014 1:39 pm

    I already stated that whether or not it has bipartisan support (and yes, I know it has) it is still an inefficient deal; a blank cheque for the US military industrialists we are assuming the position for.

    Maybe you need to google the responses of some of the other countries who don’t seem to have their heads quite as inextricably jammed up the arse of Uncle Sam’s arms dealership?

  190. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 24, 2014 1:44 pm

    OK our Hornets are getting old. Purchased a long time ago.

    What should we replace them with??

    Maybe we should replace them with nothing and disarm the country??

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 2:38 pm

    Ignorance is bliss …

    The F/A-18F Super Hornet achieved Final Operational Capability in December 2012.

    Final Operational Capability (FOC)

    Final Operational Capability is declared when the entire capability can be deployed on operations. FOC considers the personnel, training, major systems, supplies, facilities and training areas, logistics, support, command and management required to deliver the full capability required.

    Really fkn old …

  192. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2014 2:39 pm

    The notion that all 65 year olds are past it, is stupid and discriminatory.

    Who has ever said that. Talk about misrepresentation. There is nothing stopping people over 65 working now. They can if they want. What is being offered up is no choice. Oh, unless you are so rooted you are invalid. But, that is currently available. I know I don’t want to keep working until either I’m 70 or invalided. I’d rather be stopping before that happens. This government apparently wants us to work until we are crippled

    Or, if you are young, to find any means of supporting yourself, just not Government means. I can think of two. Employment, or crime.

    fkn bastards!

  193. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2014 2:39 pm

    What should we replace them with?

    Holdens 🙂

  194. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 24, 2014 2:59 pm

    “Ignorance is bliss … “

    Fuck off TB. Stop spreading ignorance.

    Our Mirages were getting old so they were replaced by F/A18 Hornets. Deliveries started in 1984.

    1984 was 30 years ago you fucking deadbeat.

    They were going to be replaced by the F35. Because of F35 problems and a capability gap Brendan Nelson ordered a new plane called a Super Hornet which was a new upgraded Hornet developed in the 1990’s.

    The plane you mentioned was not even around until the 1990’s. The Super Hornet is not just an upgraded F/A 18 Hornet but is a new plane.

    Just fuck off TB and stop posting crap.

    WE currently have an air force of 70 FA/18 Hornets and a new plane called a Super Hornet. We have ordered 24 of those.

  195. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 24, 2014 2:59 pm

    Tom R – I know I don’t want to keep working until either I’m 70 or invalided.

    Fine, then save up. I don’t think taxpayers owe mature people welfare if they’re fit enough to work.

    Personally I’d be quite comfortable with the elimination of all welfare related to age. I’m more attracted to the notion that pension/welfare should only apply to capacity to work or lack of opportunity to find work.

    If a (former) construction worker has a bad back from the years of toil, they should be entitled to the pension benefit. But if a bookkeeper remains healthy at 70, why encourage them to become a burden on taxpayers?

  196. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 24, 2014 3:29 pm

    By the way i forgot to mention

    TB OF QUEENSLAND TELLS FALSEHOODS.

    If TB tells a fact is it an aeration.

    1. we have an airforce of 70 FA/18 Hornets developed in the 1970’s and delivered in the 1980’s. They are 30 years old and will start falling out of the sky if not replaced.

    2. they are going to be replaced by the F35

    3. Because of F35 development problems Brendon Nelson ordered an interim plane called a Super Hornet. This is a new plane not an upgraded Hornet. We have ordered 24 of those.

    TB STOP TELLING FALSEHOODS

  197. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 3:59 pm

    The Super Hornet is not just an upgraded F/A 18 Hornet but is a new plane.

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 4:00 pm

    TB Queensland permalink

    May 24, 2014 2:38 pm

    Ignorance is bliss …

  199. egg permalink
    May 24, 2014 4:01 pm

    ‘Maybe you need to google the responses of some of the other countries who don’t seem to have their heads quite as inextricably jammed up the arse of Uncle Sam’s arms dealership?’

    The US military industrial complex sold the alliance members a bit of a lemon, but they promise they’ll get it working perfectly in due course.

    Italy is having financial difficulties and has let it be known they’ll only be picking up half their order of F35s. There is no foreseeable threat that warrants these sophisticated arms, but as part of the alliance we are duty bound to offer tribute.

    The arms race would end if all counties became nonaligned, moving away from 20th century ideas of left and right.

    China will probably play a pivotal part in any changing of the guard.

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 4:09 pm

    There is no foreseeable threat that warrants these sophisticated arms, but as part of the alliance we are duty bound to offer tribute.

    Maybe the “duty” to the USA should be redirected to education, health, job creation, pensioners, students and pensioners …

    That’s the hub of this Abbott government stupidity …

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 4:25 pm

    Mr Abbott also said job seekers on unemployment benefits have no right to reject work just because they can’t find their dream job.

    *sarc alert

    Mr Abbott also said that, in fairness, his own daughters had to take on any job they could and couldn’t expect a helping hand to get their dream jobs … that would be discriminatory …

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 4:29 pm

    Defence spending will be UP by $9.6 billion to $122.7 billion over four years …

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 4:42 pm

    How fkn cruel are these zombies in government …

    Doctors have been sending out text messages to regular patients telling them a visit won’t cost more for at least 14 months.

    “We are hearing a number of things and there is a fair bit of confusion. We’ve actually got some patients thinking it’s already come in,’’ Dr Hambleton said on Sky News.

    “We’ve got practices where there’s less presentations right now. And some of those practices have actually had to resort to actually letting the patients know it doesn’t start until July next year.’’

    Light the fire and then blame somebody else … Nero was an arsonist too …

    Liberal senator Zed Seselja on Sky blamed a Labor Party “fear campaign” for the mix-up.

    “There’s been a lot of commentary about the Budget and much of it from the Labor Party and others has been deliberately misleading,” he said.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/desperate-doctors-text-patients-about-7-medicare-copayment-introduced-in-the-federal-budget-2014/story-fn84fgcm-1226927165342

    Footnote:

    In 64 AD, most of Rome was destroyed in the Great Fire of Rome, which many Romans believed Nero himself had started in order to clear land for his planned palatial complex, the Domus Aurea. In 68, the rebellion of Vindex in Gaul and later the acclamation of Galba in Hispania drove Nero from the throne. Facing assassination, he committed suicide on 9 June 68 (the first Roman emperor to do so).

    There’s always hope …

  204. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 24, 2014 4:53 pm

    “How fkn cruel are these zombies in government …”

    It would be a big help if your socialist mates did not trash the budget EVERY time they are in govt.

  205. egg permalink
    May 24, 2014 5:25 pm

    ‘Maybe the “duty” to the USA should be redirected to education, health, job creation, pensioners, students and pensioners …’

    In a perfect world that would be so, but in the meantime we must defend ourselves according to the Defence White Paper.

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 5:53 pm

    From the 2013 whitepaper …

    •The ongoing adverse effects of the Global Financial Crisis, which have continued to have a significant impact on the global economy.

    Don’t tell the LNP cretins who comment her … they’ll explode … on second thoughts …

    According to British legal stature, an idiot is an individual with an IQ of less than 20, an imbecile has an IQ of between 20 and 49, and a moron an IQ between 50 and 69. Cretins are specifically persons with a deformity or mental retardation caused by a thyroid deficiency; cretinism is now more commonly called hyperthyroidism. Idiot is derived from the Greek for “private person” (as in idiosyncrasy); moron is from the Greek for “foolish”; imbecile is a construction from a Latin phrase meaning “without a stick”; cretin comes, via the French, from the word “Christian” and implies a holy person – God’s fool” as it were.

  207. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 5:55 pm

    In a perfect world that would be so, but in the meantime we must defend ourselves according to the Defence White Paper.

    … education, health, job creation, pensioners, students and pensioners …

    I used to live in a perfect world until the Transformers attacked last week … 🙄

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 5:56 pm

    ME …
    … education, health, job creation, pensioners, students and pensioners …

    I used to live in a perfect world until the Transformers attacked last week …

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 5:57 pm

    I just realised who I’m trying to communicate with … shakes head … wipes blood off wall …

  210. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2014 5:59 pm

    Fine, then save up.

    Wow, what a genius idea. Why don’t we have some kind of policy that forces people do this 😯

    If a (former) construction worker has a bad back from the years of toil, they should be entitled to the pension benefit. But if a bookkeeper remains healthy at 70, why encourage them to become a burden on taxpayers?

    Yea, cripple ’em all!

    It would be a big help if your socialist mates did not trash the budget EVERY time they are in govt.

    I know you don’t agree with the rest of the world, who wishes like hell they had our economy (before tabot got hold of it), but they didn’t.

  211. egg permalink
    May 24, 2014 6:13 pm

    ‘I just realised who I’m trying to communicate with … shakes head … wipes blood off wall …’

    Ha ha

    The bipartisan white paper wants government to get Defence spending back to 2 percent of GDP, under Labor it fell to 1.6 per cent of GDP, the lowest level since World War 2.

  212. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2014 6:17 pm

    under Labor it fell to 1.6 per cent of GDP, the lowest level since World War 2.

    Ge, you’d almost think that they were trying to balance a budget without hitting the poorest hey.

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 6:19 pm

    About 20 Liberal donors were charged $2,500 a plate at the intimate dinner, which was briefly attended by Prime Minister Tony Abbott, The Sunday Telegraph understands …. Mrs Bishop’s office said it had not breached any electoral laws and all food and drink consumed was charged to her private account to be paid for by the Liberal Party …

    Her large parliamentary suite includes a formal dining room that opens on to a parliamentary courtyard. As Speaker, she also collects a taxpayer funded salary of $341,477 a year.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/speakers-50000-fundraiser-sparks-calls-to-resign/story-e6frfkp9-1226930252986

    What they fail to say is that she is the most biased and incompetent Speaker this country has ever seen …

    The bipartisan white paper wants government to get Defence spending back to 2 percent of GDP, under Labor it fell to 1.6 per cent of GDP, the lowest level since World War 2

    Well that’s great …

    But you still don’t GET IT!

    … education, health, job creation, pensioners, students and pensioners …

    are PAYING!

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 6:20 pm

    … education, health, job creation, pensioners, students and pensioners …

    Apologies …

    … … education, health, job creation, families, students and pensioners …

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 6:46 pm

    I apologise to all objective thinkers …

    the former Queensland science teacher said. Grrrrrr .. my kids in danger!

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/australian-ken-ham-to-unveil-a-dinosaur-fossil-that-proves-humans-lived-alongside-humans/story-fn5fsgyc-1226930162755

    Fuckwit™

  216. egg permalink
    May 24, 2014 7:01 pm

    ‘Ge, you’d almost think that they were trying to balance a budget without hitting the poorest hey.’

    The Budget has the appearance of being ideologically driven, Defence is happier.

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    May 24, 2014 7:46 pm

    The Budget has the appearance of being ideologically driven, Defence is happier.

    Well bully for fkn Defence …

    I bet the Diggers aren’t!

  218. Tom R permalink
    May 24, 2014 8:00 pm

    Defence is happier.

    That in itself is a worry

    We oil the jaws of the war machine and feed it with our babies.

  219. May 24, 2014 9:23 pm

    defense is happier
    i thought defending the indefensible is Squeals job as is saying the same shit over and over again,

    TB Smashed Squeal
    Squeal fiberal troll
    Squeal broken record

  220. egg permalink
    May 24, 2014 9:52 pm

    Labor reduced the Defence budget for ideological reasons and the Coalition brings it back to 2% of GDP for ideological reasons.

    Personally I don’t care if they disband the armed forces altogether, I have nothing to lose but my freedom.

  221. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 24, 2014 11:29 pm

    Looks like the lefties think having an Army, Navy and Airforce is a waste of money and should be disbanded.

    I agree it is a waste of money.

    Maybe we should try it and see what happens??

  222. May 25, 2014 12:06 am

    I agree it is I am a waste of money oxygen

    Absolutely

    Maybe we should try it I should disappear up my own asshole and see what happens?? who cares ?

    Nobody here I suspect

    Meanwhile the effect of the budget on youth with disability is morally reprehensible and like most measures in the social engineering doctrine disguised as an economic document, an indefensible on the very fabric of our social structure.

    Squeal fiberal troll
    Squeal broken record
    Nobody cares Squeal
    Fuck off Squeal

  223. Meta permalink
    May 25, 2014 4:38 am

    (Neil, just by-the-by, there does seem to be some little residual confusion/equivocation about the (un)timely and (in)efficient expenditure of that part of Australia’s up-to-2%-of-GDP on preemptive-defensive capabilities, as observed routinely by your good self and some few others: Assessing the G-20 Stimulus Plans: A Deeper Look.)

  224. egg permalink
    May 25, 2014 8:30 am

    ‘Thousands of unemployed people under 30 will be forced to work for the dole from 2015 under the government’s new budget measures.

    ‘They will also be required to wait at least six months before getting welfare.

    ‘Mr Abbott said jobseekers should not have the option of rejecting available jobs, because the alternative would be a life on welfare.’

    AAP

  225. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2014 9:08 am

    This is interesting, M , from your link … ’tis 2009 tho’ …

    http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Research/Files/Articles/2009/3/g20%20stimulus%20prasad/03_g20_stimulus_prasad_table.PDF

  226. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 25, 2014 1:48 pm

    I agree with Malcolm Turnbull

    http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/may-enews-budget-edition

    “The melancholy truth of the matter is that Labor ran up larger and larger deficits and thus higher and higher debt in the midst of the biggest mining boom in our nation’s history. According to the IMF, the rate of increase of Australian Government spending between 2012 and 2018 was forecast to be the highest in the developed world ……………Mr Shorten simply complains – he doesn’t like any of the cuts in expenditure or any of the increases in tax or charges either. Is he in denial? Refusing to accept what is obvious to everyone else, namely that something has to be done. What sort of la-la land is he inhabiting? Are we just to keep on spending more than we receive, borrowing more and more billions, kicking the fiscal can further down the road in the expectation that somebody else will deal with it
    ?

  227. May 25, 2014 3:04 pm

    Ho Ho Ho.. wait till next week in parliament….. the coalition is trying to force the hand of Labor… It will be the Axis of justice ..Labor..Pup and the Greens… stopping these totalitarian, ideological, social engineering sycophants dead…

    Sweal refuses to address the topic knowing full well the heartless social fallout of ideological social engineering will have of the most vulnerable in the country, Youth with disability….

    This lobotomous bore prefers to cut and paste his predictive drivel.. blah deficit…yes we get it fuckwit, just shut the fuck up…you are embarrassing yourself and frankly starting to look a little crazy as you don’t actually engage here at all…we are not your therapists…toddle off and join Inanes Blog…you would be more at home there…

    Squeal brings Nothing
    Squeal Adds Nothing
    Squeal is Nothing
    Squeal is boring

  228. F35 Rocket Surgeon permalink
    May 25, 2014 3:24 pm

    😯 😆

  229. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 25, 2014 3:47 pm

    And people wonder why i do not support the ALP

  230. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2014 4:55 pm

    The prime minister said the government’s tough budget was “absolutely necessary” to rein in the country’s debt and deficit.

    “We need to take action now or an even greater burden will fall on our kids’ generation,” Mr Abbott said in a brief statement.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/treasurer-rules-out-compromise-on-gp-fee/story-e6frfku9-1226930708861

    It may already have … especially if they are between 16 and 30 and unemployed … or you are going to uni (or expect to) … or get sick … or need prescription medicines …

    If the budget was in crisis then the wrong people are paying … those who can least afford to … students, unemployed, families, low income households, schools, hospitals, pensioners …

    This is Abbott’s “let them eat cake” moment … he will be remembered as the meanest most cruel, uncompassionate, self-centred and ideologically driven PM in Australia’s history …

    It does prove that a Rhodes scholar doesn’t have to be intelligent just well connected …

    And he even had the stupidity to bring up the 1975 dismissal of Gough Whitlam …

  231. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2014 4:57 pm

    I agree with Malcolm Turnbull

    surprised much

    talcum appears to have forgotten something called the GFC. Funny that.

    he will be remembered as the meanest most cruel, uncompassionate, self-centred and ideologically driven PM in Australia’s history …

    It’s a title he has worked hard at, to be sure.

  232. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 25, 2014 5:28 pm

    Like i said

    And people wonder why i support the ALP.

  233. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 25, 2014 5:32 pm

    Well i totally lost it.

    And people wonder why i do not support the ALP.

    I want to make my beliefs clear.

    THE AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY IS A CORRUPT AND IMMORAL POLITICAL PARTY ELECTED BY CORRUPT AND IMMORAL PEOPLE

  234. egg permalink
    May 25, 2014 5:33 pm

    ‘talcum appears to have forgotten something called the GFC. Funny that.’

    Yeah, politicians are renown for selective memory.

  235. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 25, 2014 5:39 pm

    “talcum appears to have forgotten something called the GFC. Funny that.”

    Right. Turnbull never heard about the GFC

  236. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2014 6:22 pm

    Well i totally lost it.

    We have become accustomed to that nil, no need to explain 😉

    Turnbull never heard about the GFC

    If you read REALLY carefully nil, you’ll note that is NOT what I said. Even egg understands better than you. And we all know what awaits there 😉

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2014 6:52 pm

    If you read REALLY carefully nil, you’ll note that is NOT what I said.

    ‘Tis hard work ain’t it …

  238. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2014 7:04 pm

    ‘Tis hard work ain’t it …

    Truly. Time to strike to double our pay I reckon 🙂

  239. May 25, 2014 7:06 pm

    Well i have totally lost it.
    And people wonder why i do not support the LNP.
    I want to make my beliefs clear.
    I’m a Complete fucking idiot
    THIS VIDEO SAYS IT ALL REALLY

    TRUTH HERE SQUEALS
    ECONOMIC INCOMPETENTS SQUEAL

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2014 7:44 pm

    Truly. Time to strike to double our pay I reckon

    Yeah! sreb, still owes me for my special report on Tangalooma that helicopter pad was a lonely place …

    Typical WCP of a Robber Baron … he makes a fkn fortune overseas with this blog … just check out the map!

    Why else would he put up with the wankers that comment here … present company etc … 🙂

  241. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2014 7:52 pm

    ECONOMIC INCOMPETENTS SQUEAL

    Let’s hope that the crossbenches in the Senate have as much backbone as Windsor, Oakeshott and Wilkie!

  242. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2014 8:11 pm

    All I can say is that Dutton is a Dickhead … only True Liberal Believers would believe this …

    Typical Liberal mindset — “We target families why shouldn’t they?”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/margie-abbott-accused-over-charity-work/story-e6frfku9-1226930659160

    And Dickson’s “track record” as a loser …

    In 2008, when new Prime Minister Kevin Rudd apologised to the Stolen Generations, Dutton was the only coalition front bencher to abstain. [3]

    In 2009, the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) proposed to alter Dutton’s electorate of Dickson in a way that would tip the political balance of the seat towards the Labor Party. Wary of losing his place in the House of Representatives, Dutton sought endorsement for the safe Liberal seat of McPherson. Despite the support of Liberal leader Malcolm Turnbull, the retiring member for McPherson Margaret May, and several other party luminaries including former Prime Minister John Howard,[4] Dutton was defeated by rival candidate Karen Andrews.[5] The AEC’s final redistribution cemented the erosion of the Liberal Party’s position in Dickson, albeit less adversely than originally proposed.[6] With no better option available to him, Dutton opted to recontest Dickson at the next election.[7]

    Wary of losing his place in the House of Representatives,

    Typical … what about “serving the people”?

  243. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2014 8:14 pm

    And for the record … this is bad form and quite frankly – stupid and unhelpful!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/former-first-bloke-tim-mathiesons-bizarre-attack-on-margie-abbott-over-charity-work/story-fncynjr2-1226930687030

  244. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 25, 2014 8:42 pm

    Malcolm Turnbull makes sense

    “The melancholy truth of the matter is that Labor ran up larger and larger deficits and thus higher and higher debt in the midst of the biggest mining boom in our nation’s history. According to the IMF, the rate of increase of Australian Government spending between 2012 and 2018 was forecast to be the highest in the developed world …”

    Lefties live i leftist la la land where debt and deficits do not matter.

    Lefties only care about themselves and their really big stomachs.

    Fill my stomach up proclaim lefties and the country can go to hell.

  245. Tom R permalink
    May 25, 2014 9:23 pm

    Malcolm Turnbull makes sense

    How do you spell GFC nil?

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    May 25, 2014 10:39 pm

    Starve people and the nation will survive … 🙄

  247. May 25, 2014 11:03 pm

    Lefties live i leftist la la land where debt and deficits do not matter.
    Lefties only care about themselves and their really big stomachs.
    Fill my stomach up proclaim lefties and the country can go to hell.

    Yep them there’s the words of a nutter, recon he’s in Inanes sandpit in a dirty diaper , complete with bonnet and dummy painting himself in his own shit 🙄

    SQUEALS EATS SHIT
    TAKE YOUR LITHIUM

  248. egg permalink
    May 26, 2014 7:29 am

    Chinese Co-op to soak up unemployment.

    ‘Elders in the region have grown disappointed that the stations many of them grew up on do not have the ability to employ larger numbers of young Aboriginal people.’

    Taylor / Oz

  249. May 26, 2014 7:32 am

    on the upside, the teabags are chasing the `young` vote away from them 🙂

  250. May 26, 2014 7:42 am

    while there has been much bleating from the tinfoil cubicle when l have mentioned `un/employment` previously, l will also predict that the youth un/employment `hot-spots` will rapidly turn into `crime`hot-spots, once mr-rabbits `welfare-cutting` is in action

    #over to you yomm

  251. May 26, 2014 7:57 am

    ”””””””””””’Another of Frances’ classmates, who asked not for her name to be published, said she was “disgusted” about Frances’ apparent “free ride”.

    “To give it to someone who is as entitled as Fran doesn’t sit well with me,” she said.

    The 22-year-old student, who comes from a low-income background and who has lived much of her life with support from the Smith Family, finished the course with a high distinction average.

    “To see that (scholarship) go to someone not as deserving really annoys me,” she said.

    Frances, 22, the Prime Minister’s middle daughter, now works for Whitehouse in Melbourne as a teacher’s aide.
    http://mobile.news.com.au/national/classmates-express-fury-over-tony-abbotts-daughter-frances-being-awarded-60000-scholarship-to-whitehouse-institute-of-design/story-fncynjr2-1226926934506
    ””””””””””””’

    l noticed Leanne `awards` these so-called scholarships in a random, ad-hoc fashion, my bet is they are all to the kids of teabags, and other assorted influences.

  252. May 26, 2014 8:00 am

    #so much for TB`s belief in `merit`

  253. egg permalink
    May 26, 2014 8:15 am

    ‘will also predict that the youth un/employment `hot-spots` will rapidly turn into `crime`hot-spots, once mr-rabbits `welfare-cutting` is in action’

    Doubtful, for example the young unemployed in Logan will be forced to take up useful employment further west. Any unemployed young person who comes before the court for a minor offence may have to serve a stint in the Green Army.

    This would be better than sending them to TAFE, which won’t change their misbehaviour.

  254. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2014 9:13 am

    #over to you yomm

    Do you know what you’re talking about? Certainly I don’t, just more f**kwitery.

  255. May 26, 2014 9:36 am

    ””’Doubtful, for example the young unemployed””’Bullshit,

    all your blather for mr-rabbit will not prevent crime/riot/drugs/problems dumpty

  256. egg permalink
    May 26, 2014 9:41 am

    Combined with drug law reform it should work.

  257. May 26, 2014 9:49 am

    “Any unemployed young person who comes before the court for a minor offence may have to serve a stint in the Green Army. This would be better than sending them to TAFE, which won’t change their misbehaviour.”

    Planting trees will be more beneficial than a trade qualification??

    Are you deliberately pretending to ignorant just to get a response, or are you really just that thick? 😯

  258. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2014 10:34 am

    Are you deliberately pretending to ignorant just to get a response, or are you really just that thick?

    It’s a question for the ages.

    Or is it?

  259. May 26, 2014 10:54 am

    Any unemployed young person who comes before the court for a minor offence may have to serve a stint in the Green Army.

    ROLFL Now Eggs a fucking Commo 🙄

    Are you deliberately pretending to ignorant just to get a response, or are you really just that thick? 😯

    Obviously both 🙄

    Bleats like Squeals

  260. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 26, 2014 11:15 am

    Malcolm Turnbull makes sense

    Mr Shorten simply complains – he doesn’t like any of the cuts in expenditure or any of the increases in tax or charges either. Is he in denial? Refusing to accept what is obvious to everyone else, namely that something has to be done. What sort of la-la land is he inhabiting? Are we just to keep on spending more than we receive, borrowing more and more billions, kicking the fiscal can further down the road in the expectation that somebody else will deal with it?”

    Yep, lefties live in leftoid la la land.

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2014 11:32 am

    #so much for TB`s belief in `merit`

    WTF does that mean?

  262. May 26, 2014 11:32 am

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    We Don’t care
    Consistently irrelevant bore
    No Topic Comment
    indefensible on topic
    Squealy teabag asshat

  263. egg permalink
    May 26, 2014 11:54 am

    ‘Planting trees will be more beneficial than a trade qualification??

    ‘Are you deliberately pretending to (be) ignorant just to get a response, or are you really just that thick? :shock:’

    Not all young unemployed have a desire to go to TAFE, so lifting them out of the welfare underclass with agricultural work is not a bad thing. Australia is set to become the food bowl for a burgeoning middle class in Asia, the Green Army is merely the first step in a long process.

  264. egg permalink
    May 26, 2014 11:58 am

    ‘ROLFL Now Eggs a fucking Commo’

    It was an early flirtation, but I gave it up for the Third Way, now I’m waiting for the Middle Kingdom to woo me back.

  265. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2014 12:04 pm

    Well i totally lost it.

    You never had it.

  266. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2014 12:07 pm

    It appears that the pension cuts will take effect as early as july 1 this year.

    http://www.cpsa.org.au/income/income-media-releases/1055-state-territory-pensioner-concessions-face-the-chop-come-1-july

  267. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2014 12:23 pm

  268. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2014 12:42 pm

    Deficit levy will hit CEOs, managers, surgeons and, above all, men:

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2014/may/26/deficit-levy-will-hit-ceos-managers-surgeons-and-above-all-men

  269. Tomlof Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2014 12:46 pm

    Debt is a problem, and it is simply unfair on the next generation to allow it to continue to mount.

    It should be the objective of government to balance the budget within 4 years, and maintain this for a generation.

    There are a number of budget measures that appear to be driven by philosophy rather than prudence, others are reasonable.

    It’s time for the ALP, Greens etc and their supporters to advise how they propose to achieve a balanced budget…or own up that they don’t consider it necessary.

  270. egg permalink
    May 26, 2014 1:00 pm

    ToM is correct, also our triple A rating is only secure for a couple of years, so the government needs to give the appearance that we are doing something to rectify the imbalance.

    Abbott is taking a prudent course and fully intends to grow the country over the coming decade. Cashed up new immigrants and overseas funds should take the burden off the taxpayers to build infrastructure.

  271. May 26, 2014 1:06 pm

    So YoM, are you advocating that Labor should’ve just let the country slide into recession immediately post GFC?

  272. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2014 1:30 pm

    As I recall, my economic forecast was more accurate than Swan’s. He based the stimulus on 10.5% unemployment. It was never been anywhere near that.

    Much of the debt fuelled activity was inefficient and Swan continued it even when it was clear that unemployment would peak at about 4% lower than he forecast.

    It’s now time to start paying the bills

  273. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2014 1:33 pm

    i never get a useful [meaning non-fried egg] answer when i ask why those concerned about saddling the next generation with financial debt are not equally concerned about saddling them with the much greater financial debt burden of a climate change reality.

  274. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2014 1:34 pm

    “Never going anywhere near that”

  275. May 26, 2014 1:39 pm

    “i never get a useful ….”

    Similarly, the usual RWNJs never seem to have a sensible explanation as to why punishing the unemployed by making them homeless and destitute somehow solves unemployment?

  276. May 26, 2014 1:40 pm

    “It’s now time to start paying the bills”

    Fair enough, but why is the burden falling on the already disadvantaged ?

  277. egg permalink
    May 26, 2014 1:42 pm

    ‘… saddling them with the much greater financial debt burden of a climate change reality.’

    The man is taking a sledgehammer to the whole box and dice, in the belief that trying to stop the climate from changing is a futile exercise.

  278. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2014 1:44 pm

    Anyone else noticed a government in crisis mode have retreated to their happy place eg morrison suddenly giving some info spinning on asylum seekers? 😉

    Not sure if we have looked at the stats here. better add a few more to the count after that nutter killed a few more because no females would grant his male human rights have sex with him.

  279. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2014 1:51 pm

    “Never going anywhere near that”

    well, it’s now way past time time to start paying the bills!

  280. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2014 1:55 pm

    I’d try a few different policy options. For example a variation of HECS for unemployment benefits – where they could start to repay a portion of the benefit once they reach average wage (say 2% once they reach $50k per annum). That way it wouldn’t affect them until they’re in reasonably well paid employment.

    This type of policy is far more reasonable than having the unemployed wait for 6 months for some income support. The approach could probably be applied to some health costs too.

    But it is time for ALP, Greens & non aligned to say exactly how they’d shift the burden away from the next generation and back to the current one.

  281. egg permalink
    May 26, 2014 2:01 pm

    Bill’s speech in reply to the Budget said nothing on the matter, it was mostly rhetoric.

  282. May 26, 2014 2:32 pm

    Oh, egg you really are a complete fuckwit.

  283. May 26, 2014 2:33 pm

    Abbott'[s latest gaffe: “We are asking to sacrifice people… I mean asking people to make sacrifices.”

    I think he was being truthful in the first instance.

  284. Tom ofMelbourne permalink
    May 26, 2014 2:40 pm

    …and while I’m at it, I’ll also say HECS should be abolished, and replaced with a ‘graduate tax’

    The tax rate would increase with the length of the course (which usually equates to income). Graduates would fund their successors rather than just pay off a debt.

  285. egg permalink
    May 26, 2014 2:47 pm

    Bill didn’t mention the deficit levy, because he naturally agrees with taxing the upper middle class, but he had no detail on how Labor was going to pay for the increased funding going forward, without massive deficits.

    His speech was directed towards the leftoid heartland and lacked substance.

  286. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2014 3:32 pm

    He based the stimulus on 10.5% unemployment. It was never been anywhere near that.

    BECAUSE of the stimulus …

    … and yes it was too much in some cases … and hindsight is a wonderful thing.

    Debt is a problem, and it is simply unfair on the next generation to allow it to continue to mount.

    But its OK to attack (let’s face it is an attack) education, health, families, pensioners, the frail and the weak …

    And who says debt is a problem … as bank CEOs keep saying there is good debt a nd bad debt … what this government needs to do is create jobs … and claiming the high ground with infrastructure is short term …

    Giving the RBA $9 billion and spending an ADDITIONAL $12 billion on warplanes and then asking the poorer members of our society to buy them is criminally cruel!

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2014 3:38 pm

    Graduates would fund their successors rather than just pay off a debt.

    Time for the sports professionals to repay some of the taxpayers “investment” in them too!

    Leave HECS alone – it works!

  288. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 26, 2014 4:06 pm

    ““We are asking to sacrifice people…”

    Surely this gem should be the by-line for a little while.

  289. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 26, 2014 4:13 pm

    “and spending an ADDITIONAL $12 billion on warplanes

    We have been through this before. We have a fleet of 70 F/A 18’s which arrived in the 1980’s and due for retirement in 2015.

    They were always going to be replaced by a similar number of F35’s. Rudd ordered 14 F35’s due for delivery in 2020 and another 58 have been ordered due for delivery some time latter.

    I assume we pay for them when they arrive which is some time away.

    Surely you are not saying we should not have an Army, Navy or airforce??

    Lots of other stuff is on order as well.

    Better not to get into debt and we would be saving the $12B/year in interest we are now paying. And better not to trash the budget like Labor always does.

  290. egg permalink
    May 26, 2014 4:16 pm

    ‘what this government needs to do is create jobs … and claiming the high ground with infrastructure is short term …’

    Bullet trains and satellite cities will require a committed workforce, this is a long term goal.

  291. May 26, 2014 4:38 pm

    “satellite cities”

    What, like CRAPPERVILLE!! LOL!

    Egg is our new rockshifter… 😆

  292. egg permalink
    May 26, 2014 5:00 pm

    I fancy the Japanese model.

  293. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2014 5:08 pm

    TB, HECS doesn’t work, it is a disgrace.

    Young people have to declare it as debt in seeking a mortgage or a loan, it provides a sense of high debt, it promotes those with well-off parents in front of those of lower income.

    It is far more sustainable and egalitarian to simply have a tax surcharge on all graduates and leave the fees to foreign students.

  294. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2014 5:13 pm

    Satellite cities serviced by bullet trains – I may have heard of that before!

    Let’s build high cost rail to dusty, dry, hot, fly infested spots in the middle of no where, that no one would want to live, unless they’re on the run from the law or family court payments.

    A city in the middle of no where, full of misfits – an original idea…still Perth seems to work for some people.

  295. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2014 5:24 pm

    It is far more sustainable and egalitarian to simply have a tax surcharge on all graduates and leave the fees to foreign students.

    OK … please explain … where and when is a “tax surcharge” applied?

  296. egg permalink
    May 26, 2014 5:49 pm

    ‘Perth seems to work for some people.’

    * chuckle *

    In the first instance it will be Victoria, NSW and Queensland, not the great outback beyond the Never Never.

  297. egg permalink
    May 26, 2014 5:54 pm

    With growing satellite cites dotted along the line.

    https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/rail/inland/

  298. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2014 6:02 pm

    “When you’ve got to play the person, you’ve really lost the debate and … I couldn’t work within that sort of culture.”

    I can relate to that statement … 👿

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/lnps-culture-woes-start-at-the-top-ex-mp/story-e6frfku9-1226931526467

  299. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2014 7:11 pm

    ”Time for the sports professionals to repay some of the taxpayers “investment” in them too!

    No argument from me. So called “artists” too! Get them off the public teat.

    ”BECAUSE of the stimulus …

    If Swan had got his forecast right in the first place the stimulus would have been far more moderate, our debt would be lower.

    But that complete imbecile Swan maintained his spending even when it was clear that it was clearly unnecessary. He later admitted that he maintained it for political reasons. He put his political interests above our economic interests.

    Swan was a disgrace.

  300. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2014 7:17 pm

    So what about my earlier question re “tax surcharge” … ?

  301. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2014 7:25 pm

    He later admitted that he maintained it for political reasons.

    Yep, I know but if all the mick schools around here had got an extension to their school hall and the state school my g/kids have attended didn’t get anything – I would have been pissed off even more with the ALP … see what he means …

    Being fair can be bloody hard … unless your name is:

    Abbott
    Hockey
    Morrison
    Truss
    Bishop (what nasty genes that family must have)
    Abetz
    Brandis
    Joyce
    Pyne
    Andrews
    Turnbull
    Dutton
    Corman
    Hunt

    A quick check would reveal most as catliks and most with a privileged backgrounds … and not one qualified to be a minister …

  302. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2014 7:30 pm

    Simple TB, on the tax declaration or tax return –

    Do you have a tertiary or post secondary qualification?….

    Name of institution(s) attended….

    Number of units…

    I’d suggest 2% tax surcharge per 3 years.

  303. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2014 7:55 pm

    TB, HECS doesn’t work, it is a disgrace.

    I’ll fix it for ya yomm

    HECS worked, it was great

    HELP is a poorer cousin. Now they want to bastardise it more It’s what happens when great social ideas get “liberalised” 😉

  304. Tom R permalink
    May 26, 2014 7:56 pm

    Do you have a tertiary or post secondary qualification?….

    Cos peeps are so truthful with their tax returns 😉

  305. Catlick Bigot permalink
    May 26, 2014 8:09 pm

    “A quick check would reveal most as catliks”

    Yes, terrible, isn’t it …

    “Today, the Catholic education system is the second biggest sector after government schools, with more than 650,000 students (and around 21 per cent of all secondary school enrolments) … There are two Catholic Universities in Australia, Australian Catholic University opened in 1991 following the amalgamation of four Catholic tertiary institutions in eastern Australia and the University of Notre Dame Australia which is based in Perth … Catholic Social Services Australia’s 63 member organisations help more than a million Australians every year … Religious orders founded many of Australia’s hospitals, such as St Vincent’s Hospital, Sydney, which was opened as a free hospital in 1857 by the Sisters of Charity and is now Australia’s largest not-for-profit health provider and has trained prominent Australian surgeons such as Victor Chang.”

  306. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2014 8:31 pm

    Simple TB, on the tax declaration or tax return –

    I paid upfront and studied for five (part time) years … does that mean I pay for three years or six … or … yep that’s simple, ToM …

    What does “per 3 years” mean … for every three years studied, or worked or what?

    Still, I’m one of those silly people who think education benefits the individual AND the country …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yes, terrible, isn’t it …

    You don’t really want to go down this path … do you, ToSY?

    Y’know – comparing your impressions of the history of the catlik “church” … and my experience of the reality?

    Ready when you are …

    My current complaint is actually against the support by the Federal bishopry of school chaplains particularly in secular state primary schools …

    I have experienced their influence at my local state school (by BOTH chaplains)… TWO?

    Want religion? Go to a religious school or Sunday school … plenty of them – as pointed out above.

    You believe in small government, ToSY … I believe in even smaller organised religious influence on the young and malleable … an insidious incursion into a child’s development …

    Belief in a deity is an adult concept and should be kept there …

  307. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 26, 2014 8:36 pm

    You’d pay the tax permanently, and it is based on the number of units required to meet the qualification.

    As for cheating by not declaring the qualification, that would be an interesting dilemma for those that put the degree on their CV to get the job, then deny it on their employment documentation.

  308. May 26, 2014 8:40 pm

  309. May 26, 2014 9:30 pm

    I just wanna go on record that Squeals had not written one letter on the topic
    He can’t defend the position so he go’s to his greatest hits with the silent S

    Like egg its all fighter planes and bullet trains

  310. Bring It permalink
    May 26, 2014 9:30 pm

    “You don’t really want to go down this path … do you, ToSY?”

    Yes, I think I do.

  311. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2014 10:52 pm

    Off you go then …

  312. May 26, 2014 11:02 pm

    ”””””””””””Debt is a problem, and it is simply unfair on the next generation to allow it to continue to mount.”””””””””’

    #removing `funded` education from next-gen, by those who received `funded` education is `some-how` not unfair, (medical_ditto)

    #as armchair points out, `some-how` not unfair to pass on `environment` problems #teabags

    .

    ””””””””’It should be the objective of government to balance the budget within 4 years, and maintain this for a generation.”””””””

    #Says Who. And Why. #tinfoil

    .

    ””””””””There are a number of budget measures that appear to be driven by philosophy rather than prudence,”””””””

    #Glad you acknowledge that.

    #Hard on the bottom and soft on the top.

    .

    ”””’others are reasonable.”””’ #such as.?

    .

    ”””””””””””’It’s time for the ALP, Greens etc and their supporters to advise how they propose to achieve a balanced budget…or own up that they don’t consider it necessary.””””””””’

    #Stupid comment yomm. There was clearly NO `budget_emergency` before the teabags doubled the debt. Of course the credit-card needs to be paid off, just not by burning down the house to collect the insurance.

    .

    ”””’it was clear that unemployment would peak at about 4% lower than he forecast.”””

    #Factored in the 80,000 jobs slated to be lost in last 7-8 months.?-Nope.

    .

    ””””It’s now time to start paying the bills””””

    #Which would have been a lot easier if the revenue slashing had not occurred during the `golden_howard-regime_boom_era` (not to mention trotting off into expensive war-disasters with teh-usa, and expensive off-shore gulags)

  313. May 27, 2014 12:31 am

    P

  314. May 27, 2014 12:32 am

    op

  315. May 27, 2014 12:32 am

    C

  316. May 27, 2014 12:33 am

    or

  317. May 27, 2014 12:40 am

    n

    im Stuhl gegrillt, statt Butter

    helfen die Kinder über den Himmel Assistenten lernen

    gewohnheitsmäßig zu unterstützen, um den ranzigen Geruch von Kindesmissbrauch zu verstecken, während er vorgab, eine moralische Instanz zu sein ..

  318. May 27, 2014 12:43 am

    Not to mention expensive flying single-use trash-cans.

  319. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 6:31 am

    ohoh toiletcantankerousnightsoil , looks like the bastards just hit me again 😦

    Here we were wondering if the uni changes would affect our kids already enrolled in Uni (it does, of course), I hadn’t even considered if it would affect my hecs debt (appears that it does, of course) 😦

  320. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 6:37 am

    Tim Dunlop nails it again.

    It is a powerful reminder that the mainstream media do not simply report, they create. For all their pretence of objectivity, they are part of a mediation process that filters and chooses and spins information. Then spits it out on daily basis, in what amounts to a blancmange, not just of facts, but of opinions, angles, nuances, views, truths, half-truths, quarter-truths and outright lies from which we, the citizen public, are expected to make sense.

    The quote from Bernard Keane is also relevant, and incisive. How does Labor combat rwdbs (read, liberals??) who have abandoned truth and reason, and a media that allows their reality to be presented unchallenged?

    http://www.kingstribune.com/index.php/weekly-email/item/2002-the-ashes-of-egalitarian-australia

  321. egg permalink
    May 27, 2014 7:54 am

    ‘Like egg its all fighter planes and bullet trains’

    The post is about youth unemployment and how its going to get worse under Abbott because of his ideological intent. Its quite clear that if he took the dole away from the under 25s and forced the under 30s to wait six months for their welfare, then we have to expect scenes of starving gangs causing mayhem throughout society.

    This will not happen

  322. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 8:01 am

    This will not happen

    I AGREE!!

    They won’t be starving. That will be the Pensioners.

    Labor wants Australia to have the world’s best retirement savings system.

    This Prime Minister wants Australia to have the world’s oldest retirement age.

    And in this Budget the Government continues to target the retirement savings of all Australians.

    The Abbott Government has cut superannuation– another broken promise.

    It means more Australians will be reliant on a pension in the future.

    Hitting the most vulnerable, instead of empowering them.

  323. egg permalink
    May 27, 2014 8:47 am

    The baby boomer bubble is politically aware and will vote according to their needs at the next election. Do not be afrayd.

  324. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 8:57 am

    In regards to the libs pre-election promise that they could return the budget to surplus without raising taxes, Andrew Elders has this to say. It was pretty evident to many before the election, who railed futilely about how bereft our media landscape was of anything resembling competence.

    It was self-evident nonsense. Yet, if you go to the actual media at the time, you’ll see that journalists didn’t call them on it. They regarded anything and everything that Abbott’s opponents said to be nonsense, while the very fact that he stood in opposition to that government gave his words a credibility that they would otherwise have lacked.
    ………
    Every day Abbott did a stunt for the traditional media – print, radio and TV, commercial to varying degrees – which they all lapped up. See Tony gut fish! See Tony kiss squirming children! Do we wonder why no Opposition Leader in history got such uncritical coverage as Abbott? No – we just report, or in the case of Gillard and Rudd we just sneer. The press gallery, and other journalists covering politics, were so desperate to be rid of the Gillard-Rudd government that they lent Abbott their credibility. Abbott has let them down. He has let us all down really, even those of us who didn’t vote for him.

    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/us-and-them.html

  325. Bigots 'R' Us permalink
    May 27, 2014 9:00 am

    “You don’t really want to go down this path … do you, ToSY? Y’know – comparing your impressions of the history of the catlik “church” … and my experience of the reality? Ready when you are … “

    My “impressions of the history” of the Catholic Church? You mean where I quote actual proven and provable empirical facts? Whereas your “experience of the reality”, by definition, is anecdotal.

  326. May 27, 2014 9:02 am

    “You mean where I quote actual proven and provable empirical facts? ”

    What, about religion….??

    LOL

  327. Tony permalink
    May 27, 2014 9:07 am

    “What, about religion….??”

    No. Facts about the Catholic Church in Australia.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/05/22/crime-and-youth-suicide-set-to-soar-under-abbotts-regime/#comment-58795

  328. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 27, 2014 9:09 am

    I can’t believe the expectation here of a younger generation having to pay more and more just to live and educate themselves when the generation before them wants to pay little for what they already have and earn. Having already advanced themselves through a HECS education that they received themselves.

    So now it’s all US style ‘market rule’ economy to completely change our society so that the same people who exploit others for personal gain will continue to gather even more wealth. Another finger in another plump pie for the same wealthy elite. Always funded by the poorer taxpayers who can’t afford to participate in any of these aspirational goals.

    Only the wealthy should now gain an education in this country and that is quite OK with some here. A bright young person with more potential and brains should just forget any dreams so the snotnosed idiots of the wealthy should continue to play the ‘old school tie’ network of nepotism and corruption.

    shame on you.

    here’s a novel thought, why don’t the middle aged here retire at 55 or 60 and get out of the workforce so the next generation gets a chance at the better wages instead of scrounging for what the BBs who refuse to get out of the way don’t want. Those too intent on their super package and retirement lifestyle too get out of the way. it’s clear by some of the thinking here that they are not interested in contributing to our society, only getting what they can out of it.

    Why not get the fkn money off those wealthy businesses who are earning super profits and those who are maximising tax advantages now? We would have enough to pay for all the stuff that we need as a decent society who cares about it’s own citizens and want to invest in the next generation and leave them some hope instead of despair.

    🙄

  329. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 9:16 am

    armchair opinionator, isn’t it really is the fault of those not talented enough to receive $60,000 uni placements on their own merit?

    As was so eloquently mis-attributed to gina, go out and earn your own inheritance!

  330. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 27, 2014 9:16 am

    “It is a powerful reminder that the mainstream media do not simply report, they create. For all their pretence of objectivity, they are part of a mediation process that filters and chooses and spins information. Then spits it out on daily basis, in what amounts to a blancmange, not just of facts, but of opinions, angles, nuances, views, truths, half-truths, quarter-truths and outright lies from which we, the citizen public, are expected to make sense.”

    Indeed. It is about time the ABC stopped wasting taxpayer billions on pushing the leftist agenda.

  331. Sir Walrus of the Northern Sands permalink
    May 27, 2014 9:23 am

    “The Abbott Government has cut superannuation– another broken promise. ”

    ROFLMAO

    As if a few hundred bucks per year for a worker on a lower income is going to significantly alter their retirenment income. It might alter whether they have a one off holiday for 10 days and get to choose a caravan over a tent in a camping ground at Noosa………………and that’s it. To say otherwise is just such total bullshit. Besides the low income assistance was paid for by a fucking Mining Tax that is so badly designed (if you support one in the first place) that it at last look was creating refunds for companies it was supposed to tax.

    If you want to change your superannuation outcome you need to put tens of thousands of dollars into your super each year not a few hundred. Increasing the SG from 9.25 to 15% would only have a moderate outcome as well.
    .
    And this bullshit about the LNP changing the retirement age is such a f**king lie. They have not changed the preservation rules yet. You can retire anytime you want and access your super partially from 55 years old.

    They have simply increased the age pension eligibility which is something the ALP started but as with the Left they have now done a reverse pike double somersault over.

  332. May 27, 2014 9:46 am

    And this bullshit about the LNP changing the retirement age is such a f**king lie.

    Well Tony has done some heavy Grifting to get the top job..he is a very black little kettle, with a sold sore ass.. that cannot be trusted by virtue of both his words and actions…

    A point I have made in my latest article in AIMN (shameless plug) 🙂

    http://theaimn.com/2014/05/27/the-romance-of-the-retro-pm/.

  333. May 27, 2014 9:47 am

    “They have not changed the preservation rules yet. ”

    Yet.

  334. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 27, 2014 9:50 am

    Besides the low income assistance was paid for by a fucking Mining Tax that is so badly designed (if you support one in the first place) that it at last look was creating refunds for companies it was supposed to tax.”

    According to the lefties is was just about to start generating quadzillions of dollars just before it is about to be abolished.

    From what i have read it is costing almost as much to administer as the tax dollars it gets.

  335. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2014 9:52 am

    #Stupid comment yomm. There was clearly NO `budget_emergency`

    Stupid comment Teabagz. I’ve not suggested there is a “budget emergency”. That’s just you making stuff up again.

    I’ve said the budget deficit needs to be addressed, and should be within 4 years, not 10.

    Your various other comments just reflect your ignorance and laziness. But pop back when you have another piece of crap to peddle.

  336. Sir Walrus of the Northern Sands permalink
    May 27, 2014 9:54 am

    “Yet.”

    Indeed.

    But as with most superannuation changes they will have a long transition/grandfathering phase probably only affection those currently under 45 or 40.

  337. May 27, 2014 9:54 am

    BTW, It’s kind of “nice” to see you back Walrus…

    I think.

  338. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2014 9:57 am

    AO – ”I can’t believe the expectation here of a younger generation having to pay more and more just to live and educate themselves when the generation before them wants to pay little for what they already have and earn.”

    I’d be quite happy to return to the days of “free” tertiary education, I was a beneficiary as were most of the current crop of politicians. Now they’re intent on just screwing students with ever increasing charges.

    Unfortunately I think the “free” system would be portrayed much the same way as Abbott’s parental leave scheme – a huge benefit for (the children of) high income earners. That’s why simply imposing a tax surcharge on all graduates once they reach average income (or say $60k) is reasonable and egalitarian. The well off don’t get the head start by having the debt paid for them.

  339. egg permalink
    May 27, 2014 10:05 am

    ‘BTW, It’s kind of “nice” to see you back Walrus…’

    I’ll second that.

  340. Sir Walrus of the Northern Sands permalink
    May 27, 2014 10:08 am

    ‘BTW, It’s kind of “nice” to see you back Walrus…’

    Was outa internet webby range except once a day and then only lurking………………….a very busy Walrus

  341. May 27, 2014 10:12 am

    So let’s start with the contention that “politicians of the Right have freed themselves from the shackles of consistency and evidence”.

    There’s seem little doubt about this. We see it in regard to everything from climate change to austerity economics to Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction. Ideology trumping evidence. A veritable legion of right-wing commentators and journalists willing to say almost anything in the name of group fealty.

    More bullshit unsustainable assertions fromTim Dunlop. Climate change is not evidence based. The whole thing is based on computer-modelled predictions, predictions that fail to materialise. If anything is “ideology trumping evidence”, it’s belief in catastrophic climate change.

  342. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2014 10:25 am

    a very busy Walrus

    I wonder why … and still enclosed in the ivory tower (thinking) I see …

    As if a few hundred bucks per year for a worker on a lower income is going to significantly alter their retirenment income. It might alter whether they have a one off holiday for 10 days and get to choose a caravan over a tent in a camping ground at Noosa………………and that’s it. To say otherwise is just such total bullshit.

    Q. So how’s the Budget going to affect you, Wally?

    W. Fabulous, I think its great … more panicking pens … customers … and of course the people with Family Trusts are tweaking things here and there … people wanting advice on everything … business is booming for me … fk me even the Treasurer has asked me a few questions and you know how much they pay … by the way would you like to buy a few brown paper bags – only used once?

  343. May 27, 2014 10:26 am

    ””””No. Facts about the Catholic Church””””

    ””””’impressions of the history” of the Catholic Church?”””’

    ”””’proven and provable empirical facts?”””

    ”””experience of the reality”””’

    those burnt at the stake by the inquisitor, killed in the crusades,

    or smuggled to south america on the underground railway

    PROBABLY NOT ””’by definition, is anecdotal.””” #Tinfoil`osy

  344. May 27, 2014 10:27 am

    BTW, It’s kind of “nice” to see you back Walrus…

    I know i’m gonna regret this but Yeah, kind of 🙂

  345. Sir Walrus of the Northern Sands permalink
    May 27, 2014 10:28 am

    “Climate change is not evidence based. The whole thing is based on computer-modelled predictions,”

    Precisely. Such modelling can only ever be used for very short to medium term forecasting i.e. meaning from tomorrow out to 10 years at a stretch.

    Isnt it amusing the the Mad Left expect us to believe their crazy modelling out to 1,000 years but they wont believe in budget economic modelling out to 10 years ?

  346. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2014 10:29 am

    Climate change is not evidence based. The whole thing is based on computer-modelled predictions, predictions that fail to materialise.

    Chuckle … but the catlik inquisitions were evidence based, hey? And don’t forget them catik witch hunts (still happening as I write) …

  347. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 27, 2014 10:34 am

    But Walrus it is a scientific fact that climate change will cause 180,000 more rapes. All climate sceptics are rapists!

  348. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 27, 2014 10:36 am

    “Chuckle … but the catlik inquisitions were evidence based, hey?”

    You have made an important point with your excellent analogy, TB.

  349. May 27, 2014 10:37 am

    ”””shame on you.”””’

    l agree, well said armchair.

    Unfortunately the teabags will never feel any `shame` as the teabags care about `things`, (like institutions, corporations and the economy) not actual `people`, which is why they are always happy and willing to `hammer` people, and run `protection-rackets` for `things`, you only have scan quickly the comments here, and you can see who are `our` teabags, and who our `non-teabags are. 🙂

  350. Which Hunt? permalink
    May 27, 2014 10:43 am

    “catik witch hunts (still happening as I write) …”

    For instance?

  351. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 27, 2014 10:44 am

    as the teabags care about `things`, (like institutions, corporations and the economy) not actual `people

    The only people who care about us are our parents and nearest relatives.

    To try and make out that only leftie political parties care for people makes me laugh.

  352. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 10:50 am

    The whole thing is based on computer-modelled predictions

    Take the denialist bullshit to thread of inconsequence.

  353. Sir Walrus of the Northern Sands permalink
    May 27, 2014 10:55 am

    “Take the denialist bullshit to thread of inconsequence.””

    Indeed…………………..Let’s talk about “Man Made Budget Change” instead

  354. May 27, 2014 10:57 am

    ””””Climate change is not evidence based.””””WRONG

    #Sea-Rise has happened. 17cm since Capt-Cook settled in Aust.

    Rock Carved Tide-Marks exist on both West and East coasts.

    #Ocean-Acid, has been measured, and its effects on shellfish.

    .

    ”””The whole thing is based on computer-modelled predictions,”””WRONG

    Much of it is read from ice-cores and soil-cores samples, measurements and calculations against `known` science.

    Not a fan of the `modeling` myself, but even less of a fan of pollution and stupidity.

  355. May 27, 2014 11:02 am

    ””Take the denialist bullshit to thread of inconsequence.””

    Yep. Sorry Folks. (l got sucked in too.) 😦

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2014 11:07 am

    You have made an important point with your excellent analogy, TB.

    Depends on how hot your fork is, sb … 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Indeed…………………..Let’s talk about “Man Made Bullshit” instead

    Which one? Abbott’s

    Or the Popes?

  357. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2014 11:08 am

    Bugger – a miracle!

  358. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 11:08 am

    And this bullshit about the LNP changing the retirement age is such a f**king lie. They have not changed the preservation rules yet.

    Who said preservation age?? It was retirement age, and the age with which the pension is accessible.

  359. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 11:13 am

    Let’s talk about “Man Made Budget Change” instead

    lol. Now that is based entirely on hockeys wet dream

  360. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2014 11:13 am

    ”since Capt-Cook settled in Aust”

    Captain Cook “settled” here?

    More “facts” from teabagz>

  361. Sir Walrus of the Northern Sands permalink
    May 27, 2014 11:18 am

    “It was retirement age,”

    You can retire at anytime you want. Go live up at Byron or join an ashram thingy.

    You just wont have an income if you have no savings or investments

  362. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2014 11:21 am

    You just wont have an income if you have no savings or investments

    Did you say Byron Bay … lots of ways to “earn” an income there …

  363. May 27, 2014 11:26 am

    For the benefit of the punctuation police,

    #Correction, ””’since Capt-Cook settled Aust””’

  364. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 27, 2014 11:35 am

    Hehe
    Economics is more a ‘social science’ (if you can call it that) and teabag theory is vastly different to any recognised economics. Neoliberal economic ‘theory’ is that credible?
    And you reckon decades of physics ain’t science 😆

  365. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 11:35 am

    You just wont have an income if you have no savings or investments

    Exactly, no pension, which is the issue, and the lie.

    STARVE ‘EM ALL!

  366. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 11:38 am

    And you reckon decades of physics ain’t science

    Post Modern Science AO 😉

  367. Sir Walrus of the Northern Sands permalink
    May 27, 2014 11:41 am

    “Economics is more a ‘social science’ (if you can call it that)”

    Yes and of course that means simple mathematics which kinda impacts on economic modelling is “social science” as well then…………………

    “Sigh””

    Holy Dog Spare Me…………….

  368. Sir Walrus of the Northern Sands permalink
    May 27, 2014 11:52 am

    “”Exactly, no pension, which is the issue””

    Here look for yourself.

    You could hardly call a phased in age of 70 yo all that much out of step with the rest of the World. The trend is upwards.

    Would you like to point out a Western economy where it is decreasing ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement_age

    We could probably lower it again for you down to perhaps 60 yo if we took an entire range of cancer/heart medicines off the PBS to make them completely unaffordable to great swathes of the populace so we can cull those reaching even 65……………………….which would you prefer ?

  369. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 27, 2014 11:57 am

    Spare us the fucktardery.
    Physics is not simple maths but economics is. Don’t forget where economics falls down, it doesn’t measure half of society’s real values just what some self important dick heads think is worthy, the marketing of goods. Doesn’t recognise the depletion of natural resources and non market productivity Or Quality Of production. It needs to serve society not have society serve it.

  370. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 12:05 pm

    Would you like to point out a Western economy where it is decreasing ?

    http://www.brw.com.au/p/business/germans_seven_retirement_age_toil_QHc8rtQ7FfYBx3uvViwZ3K

    Labor wants Australia to have the world’s best retirement savings system.
    This Prime Minister wants Australia to have the world’s oldest retirement age.

    We could probably lower it again for you committed more now to compulsory superannuation.

  371. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2014 12:22 pm

    ” #Correction, ””’since Capt-Cook settled Aust””

    Captain Cook “settled” Australia?

    Still more “facts”. Got a link to show he “settled” here?

    (It’s a remarkable demonstration of ignorance of history on display by teabagz, when the “correction” is an “incorrection”)

  372. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2014 12:26 pm

    I reckon the more time you spend shining office chairs and yer pants the less you should get and longer to retirement … eg CPAs* should fiddle“work” till everybody else’s money has run out … oh, wait! 😯

  373. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2014 12:28 pm

    I’m quite happy to have higher compulsory superannuation contributions, get it to 15% or 20% over a decade. I’m also in favour of attractive tax arrangements to encourage additional contributions.

    That’s not partisan, it is just sensible….and turn the old age pension into a safety net, rather than welfare for fit, active middle aged people.

    Encouraging fit active people out of the workforce so that they become a burden on younger taxpayers, isn’t doing the younger taxpayers a favour.

  374. Sir Walrus of the Northern Sands permalink
    May 27, 2014 12:31 pm

    Good try but still no cigar TomR.

    That article is misleading as it references the gesetzliche Rentenversicherung pension

    Which is similar but not the same as our superannuation compulsory contribution funds via transition to retirement pensions which are actually 55 yo.

    The article is not referring to a pure government provided pension.

    “We could probably lower it again for you committed more now to compulsory superannuation.”

    Rubbish even raising it to 15% would only work for someone now entering the workforce.

    It was the ALP that slashed the non concessional contributions to its now pitiful $25K and $35K

  375. Sir Walrus of the Northern Sands permalink
    May 27, 2014 12:33 pm

    “………CPAs* should fiddle“work” till everybody else’s money has run out …”

    Having just revised my hourly rates I’m doing my best to bring the date forward

  376. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 12:35 pm

    That article is misleading as it references the gesetzliche Rentenversicherung pension

    Seemed pretty clear to me

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s coalition on Monday agreed the final details to cut the retirement age by four years for people who have worked for 45 years.

    But hey, you say Tomato, I say Sauce 😉

    Rubbish even raising it to 15% would only work for someone now entering the workforce.

    So why has the libs held off and pushed it back so many times, for so many years.

  377. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 12:39 pm

    That’s not partisan, it is just sensible….and turn the old age pension into a safety net, rather than welfare for fit, active middle aged people.

    I AGREE!!

    Someone tell the dingbats would they.

    Encouraging fit active people out of the workforce

    You say Encouraging, I say Allowing 😉

  378. Sir Walrus of the Northern Sands permalink
    May 27, 2014 12:48 pm

    “”So why has the libs held off and pushed it back so many times, for so many years.””

    On that we can partially agree. It should be raised but part of it should be raised from future above CPI wage rises.

    And for Dogs Sake when will there be a concerted f**king effort to educate people on their retirement savings budgeting and financial planning.

    It should be an HSC subject

  379. May 27, 2014 12:51 pm

    Man made Budget change… love it too funny 🙂
    Budgie change 🙂

    Lets clear a few thing up

    Byron bay.. full of upper middle class and filthy rich.. not a good example as nobody who earns under a mill a year could afford to like within cooee of Byron now.

    Climate Change… hmmm
    Scientist V Monkton
    Climatologist V Bolt….
    You may as well get Squeals to explain nano physics… same deal. 🙂

    Economics:
    Maths is not economics, thats like calling the sistine chapel roof house painting

    It uses maths as one language in its execution but its a black art…. based on statistical analytical projection, sociological trends, market fluctuations, gambling… and lots of confusing acronyms, much like IT…

    You can do many things with a Pie chart except eat it 🙂

    Retirement age:
    Retirement age and Preservation age are not the same thing.. unless you have a nice stash then technically you can retire to your recliner in your dressing gown and slippers when you like.

    Its 65 going up to 70 if the “Heavy Grifters” get their way.
    http://thesmartmoney.com.au/retirement-age-australia/

    The topic sure got forgotten, much like Abbotts contempt for anything after 1950

    As you were…..

  380. May 27, 2014 12:54 pm

    It should be an HSC subject

    Hear Here.. that would be useful..along with ethics the would be more useful than Chaplains

  381. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 12:55 pm

    It should be an HSC subject

    Actually, my son recently did super in year 11 and 12 as part of their core maths (not sure if advanced maths does it, but one would assume if you are doing that….?)

  382. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2014 12:56 pm

    There’s a lot of doublethink going on in Coalition circles right now. In George Orwell’s famous definition, that means “the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them”.

    The doublethink of “I wouldn’t run a company this way” but “I’ll happily run a country this way” is putting Australia’s world-beating stock of human capital on the line, for uncertain gain

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/5/27/politics/weak-logic-beneath-australias-biggest-gamble?utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=768536&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=

  383. Sir Walrus of the Northern Sands permalink
    May 27, 2014 1:02 pm

    “”Retirement age and Preservation age are not the same thing..””

    Agreed

    But some here equate Retirement Age with Pension eligibility age.

  384. May 27, 2014 1:03 pm

    Fkn hilarious!

    Tony Abbott has just told the partyroom:

    “by 2016 voters will know our values”

    I think it’s fair to say that we know their values right now!

  385. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2014 1:03 pm

    You could hardly call a phased in age of 70 yo all that much out of step with the rest of the World. The trend is upwards.

    Oh, that’s a relief the world is full of fuckwit politicians who couldn’t find smell in a fart factory … not just Australia!

    This whole exercise is about squeezing profits … making money at other people’s expense … raiding and raping and pillaging … nothing changes … Robber Barons at play …

    And these pricks probably thought my Norse ancestors were arseholes …

  386. Sir Walrus of the Northern Sands permalink
    May 27, 2014 1:07 pm

    “………..my son recently did super in year 11 and 12 as part of their core maths ”

    That’s a start but not enough. They need to understand various processes that most of us here learnt by experience only.

    Like the process involved in getting a job (CV building)

    How to buy a house, what’s a lease agreement and pitfalls, credit card traps, the power of compound interest, how the tax system works, legal entities, how to sue for a debt (without getting a lawyer involved)…….etc………….etc………..

  387. Sir Walrus of the Northern Sands permalink
    May 27, 2014 1:11 pm

    “This whole exercise is about squeezing profits ”

    Wrong………………..its actually about extended life expectancy with a demographic of increasingly older people outnumbering those who can support them.

    Much like a pyramid being stood on its head.

    Why don’t we just get rid of a few life extenders off the PBS and then ban A Current Affair from reporting those in need ?

  388. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 1:27 pm

    But some here equate Retirement Age with Pension eligibility age.

    I understand how retirement age is different to Preservation age, as that is related to personal superannuation, but how does it differ to the ability to access the aged pension? Isn’t the ability to access the age pension determined by the retirement age?

  389. May 27, 2014 1:36 pm

    ” Isn’t the ability to access the age pension determined by the retirement age?”

    Not really, the term “retirement age”is kind of meaningless.

    There are only two things to consider;

    1. The age that you are entitled to apply for a govt pension (this is the one that Abbott is increasing to age 70), and;

    2. Your preservation age. This is the age (calculated according to your dob) that you can access your own superannuation funds.

    As Walrus mentions, you can retire at any age if you have enough money to sustain your livelihood so the term retirement age is kind of irrelevant…

  390. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2014 1:51 pm

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s coalition on Monday agreed the final details to cut the retirement age by four years for people who have worked for 45 years.

    Now didn’t I hear someone here say that a couple of weeks ago? Thank you …

    … and while we are at it anyone who was press ganged into national service should get an additional two years!

  391. Sir Walrus of the Northern Sands permalink
    May 27, 2014 1:51 pm

    The other Elephant in the Room is that no one in government or opposition has addressed the small problem of most Workers Compensation Insurance not covering people over 65.

    Someone needs to change that forthwith

  392. Sir Walrus of the Northern Sands permalink
    May 27, 2014 1:55 pm

    TB

    Its an entirely different retirement pension system in Germany. You are referring to a kind of transition to retirement scheme/hybrid state pension financed via their superannuation using those terms loosely.

  393. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2014 2:00 pm

    Wrong………………..its actually about extended life expectancy with a demographic of increasingly older people outnumbering those who can support them.

    But, but … that’s just a computer modelling program … there is no guarantee anyone will live to 82 (for men?) 84 (for women?)

    Has it ever struck anyone as odd that in the 60’s 70’s (and before) families lived on one income … now it requires two … its all about PROFITS!

    If it wasn’t the banks wouldn’t be making such disgusting PROFITS for doing nothing but charging fees for things that don’t happen …

  394. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2014 2:03 pm

    Its an entirely different retirement pension system in Germany. You are referring to a kind of transition to retirement scheme/hybrid state pension financed via their superannuation using those terms loosely.

    Similar to the Pommie scheme – I know … but retirees are not thrown to the wolves of the free market to die in the snow … remember 2008?

    The systems in Europe are generally paid for by individuals but managed and guaranteed a return by the state … exactly what we need here …

    Our system makes money for the WRONG people … its all about PROFITS!

  395. May 27, 2014 2:10 pm

    Tony Abbott has just told the partyroom:
    “by 2016 voters will know our values” value

    About 15c in the dollar and dropping , by 2016 you won’t be able to give it away

    I guess thats confirmation of another broken promise of a DD if childish Toney don’t get his Pony and the Arrogance of a delusional narcissistic megalomaniacs fucktardery.

  396. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 2:14 pm

    Not really, the term “retirement age”is kind of meaningless.

    Pedant alert.

    However, when Shorten spoke of Retirement Age, it was obvious that he was referring to age that the Aged Super can be accessed. To pretend otherwise if just ridiculous.

    Its an entirely different retirement pension system in Germany.

    Yes, the age that they can access their aged pension (hereafter as which I will be referring to as retirement age, rather then the age at which I retire ffs) is being lowered.

  397. May 27, 2014 2:19 pm

    “Pedant alert.”

    WTF? I was attempting to clarify the terminology for you…..

    “However, when Shorten spoke of Retirement Age, it was obvious that he was referring to age that the Aged Super can be accessed. To pretend otherwise if just ridiculous.”

    Well that’s fine. It just proves that you’re both confused.

    If you want to continue to confuse retirement age with pension entitlement age then that’s entirely up to you.

    I know two guys in their forties who call themselves “retired,” because they no longer need to work because they’re independently wealthy.

    What would you call them – “unemployed?””

    FFS… 🙄

  398. Three Bagz Full permalink
    May 27, 2014 2:31 pm

    Teabagz should be a financial adviser, because he knows so much about super and stuff.

  399. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 27, 2014 2:44 pm

    KL: “Not sure if we have looked at the stats here. better add a few more to the count after that nutter killed a few more because no females would grant his male human rights have sex with him.

    In this case three of the six people he killed were men. He was clearly very disturbed.

    More important are the stats you provided which point to a more general problem. Male assaults on women should be discussed more often. I think men brush this stuff aside to readily and don’t see it for the massive societal problem it is.

    Most women are assaulted in their lifetime. From my experience of talking to close friends and family this is understating the real level of violence, if anything.

    There needs to be more open discussion about this issue. The public campaigns governments run from time to time are well worth while. It would also be a good idea to spend time teaching school kids of both genders about the statistics and the warning signs. Something like this should be impressed on them – girls so they can recognise danger and boys so that they might realise that they have issues which need addressing:

    SIGNS OF ABUSE

    • Your partner gets extremely angry at the slightest provocation and blames you for everything.

    • Your partner seeks to control every aspect of your life.

    • Your partner hits, slaps, punches, kicks or strangles you.

    • Your partner threatens to harm you or your children.

    • Your partner threatens to commit suicide if you end the relationship.

  400. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2014 2:47 pm

    He also knows all about stuff like history and, and… who “settled ” Australia, and he is an expert at Americanisms… and we need more Americanisms.

  401. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 2:48 pm

    I was attempting to clarify the terminology for you

    I understand that reb. I also understand that when we talk, in this context, about upping the retirement age, it is quite obvious that it is meant to mean the age at which the aged pension is accessed. It is what many media outlets have chosen to run with, rightly or wrongly. Of course, some have chosen to twist it to argue about Preservation age, which completely distracts from the point.

    The Governement has raised the Pension (read, Retirement) Age. Germany has reduced their Pension (Retirement) Age. I don’t give a flying fuck about the Preservation age, the Government hasn’t buggered that up …. yet.

    By raising the Pension (Retirement) Age, tabot has changed the Pension.

    He did promise not to do that from memory.

  402. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 2:55 pm

    btw reb, the “Pedant alert.” was more in exasperation. It is a favourite tactic by some to try and misrepresent what the argument is about, and then argue about irrelevancies.

  403. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 2:57 pm

    Merit by Genetics?

    It was revealed by New Maltida reporter, Mr. Graham, on Channel 10 this morning, the identity of the only other scholarship recipient beside Ms. Abbott was Billy Whitehouse, daughter of the owner

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2014/05/25/seat-of-the-week-canberra-2/?comment_page=37/#comment-1988894

    http://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/studio-10/extra/season-2013/27-may–frances-abbott-scholarship-probe

  404. egg permalink
    May 27, 2014 3:09 pm

    ‘from tomorrow out to 10 years at a stretch.’

    No, they can only see a couple of weeks ahead, beyond that its guesswork.

  405. May 27, 2014 3:13 pm

    “I don’t give a flying fuck about the Preservation age, the Government hasn’t buggered that up …. yet.”

    You should give an FF, cos Hockey has already flagged raising the preservation age as a possibility which is a FKN DISGRACE!

    “By raising the Pension (Retirement) Age, tabot has changed the Pension.
    He did promise not to do that from memory.”

    True.

    But it’s worth noting that even when people do retire, not all of them will apply for the Aged Pension.

    Contrary to popular belief, you don’t automatically get the Aged Pension when you reach the eligibility age (or “retirement age” for argument’s sake). You have to “”apply”” for it at Centrelink and fill out all the necessary forms etc…

    A lot of people simply cant be fucked, especially if they have ample funds in super and have started a transition to retirement plan..

    Fuck me I’m starting to sound like Walrus…..

  406. Tom R permalink
    May 27, 2014 3:33 pm

    which is a FKN DISGRACE!

    I AGREE!

    But it’s worth noting that even when people do retire, not all of them will apply for the Aged Pension.

    These are not the ones who will be worried by the changes then are they?

  407. May 27, 2014 3:46 pm

    “These are not the ones who will be worried by the changes then are they?”

    Not if they’re already in retirement, no.

    So they’re mostly older,wealthy people – I wonder who they’re more inclined to vote for?

  408. May 27, 2014 3:53 pm
  409. May 27, 2014 3:54 pm
  410. May 27, 2014 3:57 pm
  411. ZZZZZZZZZZZ permalink
    May 27, 2014 4:06 pm

    “Fuck me I’m starting to sound like Walrus…..”

    I’m sorry, did you say something?

  412. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2014 5:26 pm

    Not if they’re already in retirement, no.

    So they’re mostly older,wealthy people – I wonder who they’re more inclined to vote for?

    But some of us are twixt and between … The Minister fer instance turns 65 in December and she will need to apply – timing is everything … we “retired” when I was 59 … my preservation age was 60 and I get some pension … we have a better than most super and we monitor it daily but we are not fabulously rich like, say, Wally … and some other WCP around here … 🙂

    Seems our biggest issue at the moment may be loss of the concessions and rising costs that will spiral from the fuel excise (people seems to forget that it adds costs to things like tucker and clobber) … and the changes to PBS … even tho’ I’m retired this place keeps me on BP meds … 🙂

    But what really erks is the fear and uncertainty that I see in other retirees and particularly those people who have nothing but the pension as income … they are really confused and frightened …

    I’ve seen ideology at work before but never like this in Australia … I remember it in the UK when I was a lad – my old man was a union delegate (mum was a big L liberal … LOL! … dinner was always “interesting”)

    Once again I’ll remind all our younger listeners and viewers that my generation were expected to have a combination of super and pension – the governments designed it that way … Hockey is in his mid forties and Abbott his mid 50’s so they should both know this …

    Don’t know about people here but I started planning for my retirement in my early thirties …

    I spent 25 years travelling as a consultant … virtually missed my kids growing up …

    In the last five or six years of my career I would spend four days a week (fly out Thurs pm, Fri, Sat, Sun, Mon, fly back Tues am) away from home working 12 to 15 hour days on mine sites … now missing my five g/children growing up … I decided enough was enough … surely 45 years paying taxes was … seems its the old … but wait there’s more …

    I lost $2000 in income due to government policies in 1970/71 … what would that be worth today I wonder?

    I could sue for compo … mmmmm …

  413. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2014 5:27 pm

    And yet more Abbott lies …

    A senior Australian Federal Police officer has said the agency did not advise Prime Minister Tony Abbott to cancel a visit to a Victorian university amid widespread protest against the Coalition’s budget last week.

    But the Prime Minister’s office has insisted the decision not to visit the Geelong campus of Deakin University was based on risk assessment advice provided by the AFP

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/senior-afp-officer-raises-questions-about-security-advice-given-to-tony-abbott-on-university-visit-20140527-391fh.html

  414. TB Queensland permalink
    May 27, 2014 6:03 pm

    sreb, that’s a bit unfair on Red Dwarf!

  415. May 27, 2014 9:53 pm

    #pedant”””””””””a person who annoys other people by correcting small errors and giving too much attention to minor details
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedant
    ””””””””””””””””””

    .

    (TomR)””””””””’btw reb, the “Pedant alert.” was more in exasperation. It is a favourite tactic by some to try and misrepresent what the argument is about, and then argue about irrelevancies.”””””””’

    #Yes, l agree tomR,

    .

    #and l include this working example for your amusement, provided from the Tinfoil-Cubicle, 🙂 as it is his specialty,

    (yomm)””””””Captain Cook “settled” Australia?”””

    (yomm)”””””’ignorance of history on display by teabagz””””

    #the tinfoil cubicle seems to believe l don`t realize the site/location Cook chose as a settlement was rejected/relocated,

    #and probably also believes l don`t realize Cook was not a Capt, but a lower rank at the time he discovered Aust either #teabags

  416. May 27, 2014 10:20 pm

    (Tinfoil`osy)”””””””””’Teabagz should be a financial adviser, because he knows so much about super and stuff.””””’

    #Tinfoil`osy you would be better served if you directed your `angst` toward those that are actually fcuking up the system,(those-in-power) not the `messengers` that try to show you what IS fcuked,

    #as a working example,

    .

    HALF-TIME EMPLOYMENT = HALF-TIME SUPER

    #salary sacrifice

    (blubbers)””””””””””””””the non concessional contributions to its now pitiful $25K and $35K””””””””

    #for those workers who will need to `boost` super the most, ie-poor, it really doesn`t matter whether this is 25k or 200k, if ya`don`t earn enough, ya`don`t have the `spare/extra` cash to throw into super,

    #employment `consistency` is also a major factor here too Tinfoil`osy

    .

    (blubbers)”””””””””’Rubbish even raising it to 15% would only work for someone now entering the workforce.””””””””’

    #am l correct in assuming the `modeling` for this belief is,

    #full-time employment

    #and `consistent` employment

    #and `pay-rates` high enough to meet increasing living costs and increasing rental/mortgage costs

  417. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2014 10:45 pm

    Teabagz still ignores the estimated 300,000 to 1,000,000 people who had already “settled” here before Cook arrived, and that Cook didn’t do any “settling”

    Teabagz is clearly a fan of terra nullus.

  418. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 27, 2014 10:46 pm

    …and a big fan of Americanisms.

  419. May 27, 2014 11:09 pm

    l see yomm`s still paddling in the shallow end of the `discussion` pool

    #that`s-nice #pedant #teabag

  420. May 28, 2014 12:06 am

    ”””””””””””’You’ll be paying it back as soon as your income hits $50k, considerably less than the current average Australian wage of $74,760.40. Got it? Because this government assumes everyone at University graduates with an above-average wage (serves you right for spending taxpayer money studying a low-paying degree in order to help ordinary Australians, social workers!), it will hit you hard the minute you reach two thirds of the average wage – and if you take a while to get there, don’t worry: your debt will be incurring interest and growing ever more severe with every passing day.

    http://anonymouslefty.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/abbott-government-creates-interest-incurring-personal-debt-for-1-5-million-australians/
    ”””””””””””””””””’

    oh yes dunny, everything l`ve seen (on_telly) on uni/college costs in teh-usa, have had a `damaging` effect on the `variety` of fields of knowledge students will choose to follow.

    The effect is, students are herded away from some `topics`, towards other `topics`, based purely on `corporate-offers` and `earning-potential`, so results in teh-usa having a population of `less-diverse` knowledge,

    which really isn`t good in a nation of dills.

  421. May 28, 2014 12:16 am

    ””””””””””Tony Abbott is on track to be our first post-modern prime minister, describing him as “a leader

    unencumbered by any belief in the value of truth or consistency.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/05/12/ignore-what-the-coalition-says-focus-on-whom-it-helps/
    ””””””””””””’#Guffaw

  422. May 28, 2014 12:29 am

    ”””””””””””
    http://www.kingstribune.com/index.php/weekly-email/item/2002-the-ashes-of-egalitarian-australia

    from The Australian editorial at the top of this piece is a variation on the theme. It’s not just that they have backflipped on the matter of broken promises, and are willing to give Tony Abbott a pass on something they would never have given to Julia Gillard and Labor.””””””’

    #or independents, or greens, or pups, or even hanson back in her day

    .

    ””””””””””””’the mainstream media do not simply report, they create. For all their pretence of objectivity, they are part of a mediation process that filters and chooses and spins information. Then spits it out on daily basis, in what amounts to a blancmange, not just of facts, but of opinions, angles, nuances, views, truths, half-truths, quarter-truths and outright lies from which we, the citizen public, are expected to make sense.”””””””””””

    #it is good to see at least a few so-called journalists are admitting to us, and more importantly, to themselves, the ocean of bullshit they amplify or produce, is drowning the average citizen in useless noise

  423. May 28, 2014 12:45 am

    ””””””””””””””
    http://www.kingstribune.com/index.php/weekly-email/item/2002-the-ashes-of-egalitarian-australia

    Huge amounts of money, often filtered through think tanks, are spent on ensuring that certain ideas(1) not only dominate public discussion but are normalised as common sense.

    In brief, media commentary skews right, and given this, you can just about guarantee that ordinary, everyday journalism will also skew right, pretty much by default.

    Let me unpack that.

    It is not just that there is a right wing media that dominates(2) and is biased.

    It is that the opposite of right wing media isn’t left-wing media, it is sensible(3) journalism.”””””””’

    1-corporate voices, often lies

    2-Limited-News and often overlooked Advertising-agency`s/Lobby-outfits

    3-Truth and Fact based reporting, not what turds like bolt declare as sensible

  424. Tom R permalink
    May 28, 2014 6:00 am

    l see yomm`s still paddling in the shallow end of the `discussion` pool

    Just be glad he’s not getting “vociferous” about it 😉

  425. May 29, 2014 11:36 pm

    He can get as loud as he wants, and l will get as loud right back at him. 🙂

  426. Tom R permalink
    May 30, 2014 6:54 am

    Bring it ON Cry`me`a`Teabag 🙂

Go on say something, you'll feel better...

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: