Good Government started the Day Before Yesterday

Any solutions for the problems facing us??

You mean like all those ones I keep putting up ignoramus

TB ignores the lives of 1-2,000 people who drowned after Labor abolished the Pacific Solution.

nIl ignores the fact that drownings in the area have increased dramatically since the libs started towing boats back.

From the subs article

In fact he suggested Labor might want a bid from Kim Jong-il, who is, of course, dead – but we presume that was a mistake.

lol. A mistake indicates he had a clue before he started speaking. I think that is being a bit presumptuous TB 😉

It appears that ‘Good grubmint” means continuing to lie to Parliament

of course, being able to point out lies is being stamped out by our patrons of “free speech”

“The Carbon Price was a “proposal”

I thought the carbon tax was supposed to stop CO2 pollution.

Now you are telling me it was supposed to help the budget.

Well the report has come out on the people who locked up more men, women and children in Australian history. It was the Rudd/Gillard govt who did this but guess who gets the blame? Morrison

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/children-in-detention-report-findings/story-e6frfku9-1227216563588

I like this bit

” Children held on Christmas Island have been denied the right to education for more than a year”

It was Gillard who denied children an education. When Morrison found out about this he introduced education facilities

THE AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY IS A CORRUPT AND IMMORAL POLITICAL PARTY ELECTED BY CORRUPT AND IMMORAL PEOPLE

I think they forgot to add “ever” to that story reb.

First they’ll let the Ruskies, then the North Koreans. If it gets any crazier, they might even let the Australians tender 😯

I’m assuming this can only mean one thing

A Royal Commission!

There is “no direct evidence” that windfarms affect health in humans, a report by the National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) has found.

However the chairman of the NHMRC wind farms and health reference group, the Sydney University Emeritus Professor Bruce Armstrong, said the available studies on the subject were of too poor a quality to confidently rule out any link.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/11/wind-farm-study-finds-no-direct-evidence-they-affect-health

I wonder if our ‘xtian’ leaders will do anything about this atrocity?

The report, The Forgotten Children, has also called for all children to be released from mainland detention and from the detention centre on Nauru after examining hundreds cases of assault against children, including and more than 30 incidences of sexual assault.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/hundreds-of-children-abused-in-detention-report-20150211-13b10a.html

This needs to be stated again.

According to Triggs there were no educational facilities for the record number of children in the detenton centers under Rudd/Gillard.

Morrison corrected that wrong.

Tony Abbott calls the children in detention report “a blatantly political exercise”

Perhaps he meant to say “a report on a blatantly political exercise” ? 😉

Tony Abbott when asked if he feels ‘any guilt’ over treatment of children in detention centres: ‘None whatsoever’

► Tony Abbott when asked if he feels ‘any guilt’ over making a secret deal with Japan over subs: ‘None whatsoever’

► Tony Abbott when asked if he feels ‘any guilt’ over ripping millions from indigenous programs and then crying crocodile tears about it: ‘None whatsoever’

► Tony Abbott when asked if he feels ‘any guilt’ over making promises before an election and breaking pretty much all of them: ‘None whatsoever’

► Tony Abbott when asked if he feels ‘any guilt’ over making hockey treasurer: ‘None whatsoever’

And of course Labor supporters who locked up all these children and handed the problem to the Coalition govt feel no guilt.

Ooh, careful AO, replying to dimwits is frowned on here (apparently)

I’ve been trying to ignore this morning, but the level of stoopid sometimes just seems to force a response.

Which is, I assume, the plan 😦

Only the rusted ons will find that propaganda exercise credible

In one, two , three ….

Sev Ozdowski also thinks it is political

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/gillian-triggs-call-on-children-in-detention-rejected/story-fn9hm1gu-1227216614569

“Former human rights commissioner Sev Ozdowski, whose 2004 report was instrumental in securing the release of children from detention under the Howard government, said he was concerned the work of the commission had been politicised. He said he was “quite surprised when the situation was really bad, when we had enormous number of children in immigration detention under the Rudd and Gillard governments, basically the commission was doing very little’’.

More than 800 boats, 51,000 asylum-seekers and 8400 children had arrived in the six years under Labor. An estimated 1200 people perished at sea

Being in the lolstralian, the ellipses are what is probably the real story there

What’s happened … undermines

Of course, far be it for me to accuse the lolstralian of “cherry picking” 😉

I have been hearing hockey crowing about “number of jobs created” being far higher than under Labor.

Yet Unemployment continues to rise, and the average hours worked continues to fall. Just what IS he crowing about?

Yea TB, we must naval gaze at Labor’s leadershit to take attention away from the libs

Although, I have noticed that fairfax is running a few “sauces” stories about the libs leadershit as well. It’s like they’re stuck in a rutt

Too Funny

Tb is concerned about unemployment at 6.4% but voted for keating when unemployment was at 11%!!!

“More than 800 boats, 51,000 asylum-seekers and 8400 children had arrived in the six years under Labor. An estimated 1200 people perished at sea”

And this is Abbotts fault?

No it is TB’s, Toilet, AO, REbs fault and anybody else who voted Labor in 2007

Hopefully Labor will get onto the front foot with this as they have done with the ‘closing the gap’ crap from the libs

wow, yabot just denied promising SA subs in QT

What a response.

😯

You find some funny comments following the #qt hashtag 🙂

Personally, I think Labor can comply with this request

Hypocrisy TB, it’s in almost everything they do and say

…How many extra people have died at sea since we started turning boats back I wonder?…

750

Children in detention doubly forgotten, as politicians respond with pointless bickering:
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/12/suffer-the-little-children-in-detention-for-they-are-in-political-limbo

…Australia is an island nation that shares no land borders, and is a long way away from the world’s conflicts.

They are being stopped – 15 turn-backs that are known of in the past 18 months – and the vessels continue their sorry carriage around the region, in various states of seaworthiness. Last year, 63,000 people boarded boats across southeast Asia, seeking sanctuary in another country. Most headed south from the Bay of Bengal. Most ended up in Malaysia and Thailand or Indonesia. Several hundred were turned back from getting to Australia. About 750 died or drowned along the way…

Is it totally ludicrous to think that a submarine-building deal in Japanese shipyards was a secret part of the JAEPA package?

It’s at the point where its ludicrous NOT to think that a submarine-building deal in Japanese shipyards was a secret part of the JAEPA package?

and nobody said anything about it?

reb already pointed out some hard truths for you which you have totally ignored. Even I, a rusted on, was critical of what happened after the Malaysian solution, and some before.

I’m absolutely disgusted at the personal and political attacks on the human rights commissioner.

And who was at the heart of all of them

murdor of course, with his typical misrepresentation of events that gets his more pliable readers foaming with indignation, until reality can break through. Well, for those where reality still has a foothold anyway

She should have had this enquiry when Labor/Greens were in power.

She didn’t need to. she was given access to everything she needed, so launching an enquiry wasn’t deemed necessary to get to the bottom, they could see it themselves.

politicised the Human Rights Commission

Are you able to perhaps show how?

AHRC almost did not see the problem

Funny, because back at the time there was no call for an inquiry because the access was allowed by the department for the commissioner and other.

It was only when the libs stopped that access that an inquiry was mooted, as they no longer could see what was happening.

You can cherry pick statements till the cows come home to suit your agenda, but that is the simple fact of the matter.

lol, just saw it, and she blamed her predecessor

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/child-detention-study-two-years-too-late-says-gillian-triggs/story-fn9hm1gu-1226817109064

Which obviously makes her partisan ROFL

Simple fact, while access was allowed, the need wasn’t as dire. It’s pretty simple really, I’m not surprised for the confusion then 😆

Ms Branson told The Australian she did not launch an official inquiry, despite protests from advocates and political parties against Labor’s detention policies, because the commission was receiving appropriate information from the then Department of Immigration and Citizenship.

“We were constantly monitoring the treatment of children in detention and I always found the department to be very responsive and cooperative in helping us do that,” Ms Branson said.

the prior consent

I can see the discussion now

“You wanna keep ya fucken job, let me say wot I want!”

“Ms Branson told The Australian she did not launch an official inquiry, “

Branson and Triggs are both lying and they both have form.

Triggs told a Senate committee that there were armed guards at Christmas Island. There are no armed guards at Christmas Island.

Triggs is an immoral human being.

And the way she treated her child is relevant. How you treat your closest is an insight into your moral conduct.

Triggs is an immoral fraud.

I think it’s reasonable to point out that Triggs –
• Sat on her hands while the number of children in detention skyrocketed under an ALP government
• Said she wouldn’t conduct an inquiry under the previous ALP government for political reasons

It is reasonable to say that she is hardly a fearless defender to the rights of children in detention. Those that head inquiries and write the reports should have credibility, Triggs doesn’t have much.

Freudian, KL …

Scarily so, in light of the article AO put up about the ALP’s imminent implosion on metadata retention.

Perhaps if they stop folding like a cheap deck chair anytime yabot goes the full monty on “death cults” he wouldn’t be so eager to do it next time?

Personally, I find that statement abhorrent.

Personally, I find that statement abhorrent, and you know why, because it is taking the revelation of a person explaining their inner turmoil and implying it was their position.

It is fucking disgraceful to imply that, and you full well know it.

Perhaps those relegating themselves to ad-hominen after failing to prosecute their case should read this, and reflect on the moral standards that blue ties appear to engender

As shocking as her story and her method of telling it is, she deserves our empathy, not our judgment

http://therebuttal2.com/2013/04/30/opinion/

Obviously my view is different to yours.

Obviously your “view” is different.

Your “view” doesn’t change facts though.

well over a year

Just over 1 year, and, yes, she didn’t launch an inquiry then, in part for political reasons, but not for partisan political reasons. It was because an election was coming up. I did explain earlier before the blue ties went into meltdown on ad-hominem

and no one knows how they will cope until faced with the same situation.

Unless you wear a blue tie, then you know how all people SHOULD act.
fucken hypocrits

The whole point is that we do need a bipartisan approach to this issue …

I AGREE!

Unfortunately, they only get bi-partisan on this issue now when it means treating people like shit.

Labor have a loooong way to come back from. The libs, I don’t see them turning at all

Triggs said the report was 2 or 3 years late

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/child-detention-study-two-years-too-late-says-gillian-triggs/story-fn9hm1gu-1226817109064

“THE Australian Human Rights Commission should have considered an inquiry into asylum-seeker children in detention under the former Labor government when numbers were actually rising, the commission’s president has admitted.

Gillian Triggs said she accepted criticism that the timing of the commission’s current inquiry, announced yesterday, was off by about “two or three years” — but blamed her predecessor and the election year for the delay.

The words of Triggs are certainly abhorrent to me.

* I can’t be bothered looking after my child because they’re disabled and will die.

Heavens!

Maybe we should leave that issue alone.

Perhaps you shouldn’t have sent the discussion into the (sorry reb) gutter

saying little while the ALP/Green coalition locked up

She was in hte job for just over one year. AND, Labor had a policy where the locations were open to them to examine the treatment of the Children.

I can’t be bothered looking after my child because they’re disabled and will die.

So, after sb runs, yomm sinks further. Ad-hominem AND misrepresentation (actually, that’s exactly what sb tried on)

…and the critical element is that Triggs had well over a year to do something/anything about the detention of children under the ALP government, but chose not to for political reasons.

but chose not to for political reasons.

That “political” reason being an upcoming election. Like I said, political, but not partisan political, which you are implying.

Unfortunately, much of what is done is political. It is if they are partisan which is the issue.

Your comments are partisan, her actions were not.

“Imagine the calibre of human we’re talking about: “Kids are committing suicide and getting raped? “

Yeah so lets hold off the enquiry until the Coalition is in power.

“Because, as has been explained, laboriously, is that IF this was happening under Labor, the relevant people were able to see if it was or not. ”

So no suicides or rapes happened from 2007-2013?

They only started from September 2013?

Triggs herself stated the report was years late and her predecessor did nothing and she did nothing for one year because there was an election coming up.

“Y’know not many of of the comments above are really concerned about the plight of the kids”

And nobody cared about the kids until the Coalition got into power.

“Even tho the author triggs, belted both teams soundly over disgusting treatment

The Coalition is releasing them from 2,000 under Labor to under 200. It Labor was still in power there would be 4,000 kids locked up.

From 2007-2013 all Labor did was lock up more and more people. And if re-elected in 2013 would have continued the practise. A leopard cannot change its spots

your `team` of cruel cnuts is better than `their` team of cruel cnuts #yay.team

Absolutely.

And until someone has a better idea i will continue to say that.

she neglected to get all concerned about children in detention for well over a year.

What may be a series of fair recommendations are tainted by her partisan behaviour.

Team blue tie should read more widely.

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/asylum-seekers-refugees-and-human-rights-snapshot-report

In particular section 2.2 Children in detention
There are particular challenges relating to the situation of children in immigration detention. The Commission has repeatedly raised concerns about the mandatory detention of children, the number of children in immigration detention and the prolonged periods for which some children are detained.41 As at 5 September 2013, there were 1,428 children in closed immigration detention.42 The average age of children in closed detention facilities was 10 years old

RBA governor Glenn Stevens denies warning cabinet over budget impasse

This morning, the campaign hit a new low with Piers Akerman’s attack on Triggs for the arrangements she made to care for her severely disabled child

Wow, now I see what you mean when you called sb piers AO. Bad enough a blogger in a backwater blog, but in the major msm? They have no fucken moral ground let really, do they. And yes, that is their game. We saw it today here. Any talk of the actual report lost in an descent into maelstrom. Again, in a backwater blog, it doesn’t really matter, but in a majore newspaper attempting to pervert debate with lies and slander.

And then murdor has the fucken ballls to whinge with shit like this. You wonder why we end up with a country so fucked? Don’t blame yabot, he’s just a bit player. The source of our troubles lie behind him. I put this up on hte other thread, but it has become quite pertinent here I think.

partisan Barrackers on both sides

Care to highlight from the side I play on Ricky?

Speaking of playing politics- that is my opinion of all Labor supporters do.

If Labor won the 2013 election there would still be 2,000 kids locked up.

Labor supporters use asylum seekers for political use. However they found out when in power it is a difficult issue.

Unless we are willing to take all 40 million refugees we have to have a quota system.

Until i see better, Howards Pacific Solution was OK and Labor does not have a better solution.

Don’t feed the trolls

What about trolls who use a sick attack on a persons personal life in order to cloud debate and basically ad-hom a person. I’ll admit, m initial response was just outrage (feigned or otherwise)

But, considering ltdnews is pushing this shit in order to do just what the trolls yesterday did, what can you do.

You cannot ignore them. They are load and pervasive. Ignoring the sheets of shit doesn’t make it go away. Once the likes of sb has ad-homed(?) the likes of Griggs, and to the extent they have, it BECOMES part of the debate.

imo, exposing these attacks for the cowardly diversions they are only strengthens the statement made by those being attacked. We now know that ltdnews and their cronies are scared witless of Griggs and her report. Their reaction only proves it. And, the exposure of their gutless personal slanderings just weakens any further defense they might attempt to mount.

It is clear that Griggs has acted professionally and without bias, and has attempted to explain that only to be misrepresented time and again by murdor.

It would be great if we could just have a debate on the central issue. But ignoring these ‘trolls’ like akerman etal will not make their abhorrent claims go away.

It is the price we pay for having a monopoly media intent on stifling debate rather than furthering it.

Anyone who reads larry pickering’s porn and bile needs to have their brain washed out and their eyes skewered.

I will say it again because everybody missed it.

Bob Brown, Sarah hanson-young/ Greens supporters/ALP locked up more children than any govt in Australian history.

The first thing Triggs should have done in July 2012 is hold an enquiry into why The Greens/ALP locked up so many people.

But Triggs was playing politics. Triggs waited until the Coalition was in power.

#gotobaccoindustry!

I’m sure I speak for everyone.

We really miss the good old days when cigarettes could be accurately portrayed!!

Why oh why doesn’t nanny roxon allow our celebrities and statesmen (and stateswomen) to freely endorse the products they sincerely enjoy?

#yay.team

So true. Since people like nanny Roxon have been in charge our teams have struggled without the generosity of those altruistic tobacco companies!!

#yay.tobacco!

#verballingbagz

Yes, bagz should stop verbawling itself

Please bagz, explain how the presence of illegal smokes renders Nanny McRoxons plain packaging laws moot. In Eenglish would be preferable.

Remember, the aim was to stop the take up of Smoking amongst younger people due to the flashy packaging reminiscent of those ads yomm is handily putting up.

Please … Explain 🙂

I don’t even know why there is an argument about tobacco

Cos teambaggerz bagz teams. It’s just wot it does, no reason nor rhyme

claiming `falling-sales` equals `military-grade` packaging victory

You’ll have to highlight those comments brainbagger, as the argument , from NannyMcRoxon “cheersquad”,was always that it was too early to tell, even thought ltdnews claimed to have (industry supplied) figures that proved it wasn’t working.

While you are highlighting those comments, you could also answer my question above, instead of carping on with bullshit about what was or wasnt’ ( 🙂 ) said

l Said, 1. bullshit, too early to tell

So, what was your “counting packets” sojurn all about? Just spinning shit to confuse the issue?

Please bagz, explain how the presence of illegal smokes renders Nanny McRoxons plain packaging laws moot. In Eenglish would be preferable.

Sooner than later if at all possible.

woman I used statements she put on the public record as evidence to the contrary.

Yes, but you did so with the “assumption” that doing that made her a bad woman. When pressed on just HOW, you shut up, and still haven’t provided details on just HOW letting somebody else raise her severely disabled child made her a bad” woman. Because, when the actual events are examined, it can be seen that no judgement either way can be made as a result of this decision.

The fact that you continue to push this can only mean one thing.

When in doubt, attack them personally.

Nanny-roxon`s tax hikes, along with `others` tax hikes will push more consumers from white-market, to black-market.

That is purely an opinion, as you noted, unable to be measured accurately as yet. And it is probably correct, illegal cigarettes MIGHT gain a few customers. But, along the way, others will give up all together. So, just because an unspecified number get their death sticks elsewhere, should we abandon the program altogether?

Anything that reduces the overall number of smokers is good. It is hard to argue against that, as less people will die. It is even harder when you make no cojent sense, as is your wont.

nanny roxon just wouldn’t understand

#yayteambagsandlungcancer
#wereallgoingtodieanywaysowemightaswellenjoytheglamourofsmoking

Lots of questions for me bagger, but no answer forthcoming I note.

I’m happy with the way we are measuring things, because trying to “measure” a black market is impossible. The hint comes from the meaning of “black” in “black market”. Think “black box” if you like.

The issue started because the lolstralian presented figures, from the tobacco industry, which claimed to ‘prove” that Nanny McRoxons quest to rule the world plain packaging WASN’T working.

I simply called bullshit, along with a lot of others. In fact, all the evidence to hand showed smoking rates continue to drop. The reason, hard to pin, but it completely refuted the lolstralians “evidence”

Funny thing, their “evidence” was far more compelling than your box counting endeavour, and their was abysmally lacking to the point of being completely made up bullshit.

Not sure where that leaves coloured box counts for future Uni Grads?

l`m more on the `enhanced-program` side, with removing a couple of thousand carcinagens.

Perhaps you could try explaining that with real Eengleesh, while you are answering the still unanswered question?

I used to smoke Kents actually.

And he never complained?

Thats slummin it compared to an orcy bottle and some garden hose…

Wow Ricky, at least you get garden hose. This was our style of slummin’

what question.?

Truly, really truly 😯

Please bagz, explain how the presence of illegal smokes renders Nanny McRoxons plain packaging laws moot. In Eenglish would be preferable.

For the THIRD fucken time.

did l say that.? link.? as l don`t remember it, or the context.

what else can you be saying by constantly attacking a perfectly good policy with meaninless crap about illegal cigarettes first floated by newscorpse and now barracked by you. If there is another interpretation, enlighten us, else you are just another murdor magnet obfiscating good policy with garbage for no reason except to attack.

and the team-nanny-roxons polar-opposite bleating is too

Links, with context.

about a `claim`/`question` which would be gladly answered

Yet, I note, isn’t. All you have done is claim that is not “precisely” your postion. Yet you still make no claim about a position, except that everyone else is wrong, and you are right. However, finding out just what is “right” is impossible with somebody who refuses to state their position on a matter

WillOtheWisp. You can never be wrong, because you hold no position.

The problem with that is, every position you have appeared, however fleetingly, to hold, has been a ridiculous one.

Ponder that on your next ColouredCartonCountin’ stroll.

And sb reverts immediately to the gutter trawling ad-homs.

Unsurprisement really. When ya’ got nothing, fling shit.

Please, sb, I’ve asked numerous times, how does that revelation of conflicting emotions within Triggs at a time of what would have been extreme distress make her a “bad woman”

I’m not going to be patient waiting this time. All you need to do is explain WHY?

Surely that is high parody TB. This one gave me the best laugh

One respected commentator last week based his widely read column predicting the imminent demise of Abbott on – wait for it – two other columnists in the same newspaper predicting the end of Abbott based on – wait for it – gossip and backroom tattle from a couple of anonymous sources. Hello? Sniffing blood in the water, “experts” from all sides are desperate to predict the end of Abbott in what may well become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Except he seems to forget that the spill was brought on by people going public (you know, names to the comments), unlike the Gillard leadershit, which had years of “imminent” spills and challengers with no attribution whatever, up until the point it became a “a self-fulfilling prophecy” to use a phrase 😉

Might want to check that sentence out a bit more, sb …

Apparently it is my level of “vociferousness” that is his real problem, rather than his guttural attempt to besmirch someone who is, on all evidence, a “good” woman.

In my view the statement Triggs made was inconsistent with that assertion.

A statement made by a woman who has been given devastating news, that her baby will not survive life and never function as a normal human being, makes her a ‘bad’ woman. She said nothing that other parents in the same situation have not said and she has done nothing that others in the same situation have not done before.

If we are going to judge and condemn people for having their family in care, I’m assuming that you will also find all those people who continue to work while placing their elderly parents and relatives into a nursing home as very ‘bad’ people?

I can point to the work that she has done [and continues to do] as evidence that she is a ‘good’ woman. Can you give me the evidence to prove that she is ‘bad’?

Can you tell me what evidence you have that she has mistreated or neglected her daughter, how she has physically, sexually or emotionally abused her.

All i can say is that you must have a very jaundiced view of women in general [we already know about piers akerman’s history of sexism and sexual harassment].

So teambagger without a clue, have you been able to actually formulate a position yet, or are you still just trolling and perpetuating murdors lies for them?

””””’So teambagger without a clue,””””’
#l`m not the one tap-dancin in circles team-cheerer

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””””have you been able to actually formulate a position yet,””””
#there`s that `team` thing gettin in ya`way again, my `position` is stated several times, its not my fault you don`t accept it .. .. or read it #team.cheering

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”””’or are you still just trolling and perpetuating murdors(#WTF) lies for them?”””

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#l`ve gotta couple more links `team-nanny-roxon` won`t like. #play.with.ya.later 🙂