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Good Government started the Day Before Yesterday

February 11, 2015

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Citizens rejoice!  In what can only be perceived as a massive win for our precious democracy, the Prime Minister of Australia (Tony Abbott) has announced that “Good Government” started on Monday.

What’s good for government is good for Australia and despite enjoying a popularity of negative 46 per cent, and a backbench that hates him, Mr Abbott reaffirmed his commitment to ruling Australia with three word slogans during an exclusive video clip filmed by Channel Nine.

Despite growing scepticism, the Prime Minister insists that he has changed following mounting criticism of his authoritarian leadership style and knack for inept decision making which he likes to call ”Captain’s Calls.”

A mere 17 months into his first stint as PM, Mr Abbott insists that he will be more “consultative” (ie talk at people more), and “collegial” (friendly).

This was demonstrated today when members of the Liberal Party walked out in protest during Bill Shorten’s address at the Closing the Gap report launch.

Mr Abbott claimed that the findings detailed in the report were “profoundly disappointing” yet it was the Abbott that took the razor to Aboriginal support programs in last year’s budget.

Funding for Indigenous affairs was slashed by more than half a billion dollars in last year’s budget, yet today Mr Abbott seemed surprised by the results.

In response to the dire findings, Mr Abbott promised to spend a week in a remote indigenous community at some point this year.

That’ll be nice, won’t it.

 

 

 

 

 

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  1. February 11, 2015 12:35 pm

  2. February 11, 2015 3:37 pm

    They say they have listened and learnt, and will change their ways. But will they?
    Or will it just be light weight changes, whilst leaving the heavy lifting to those who can least afford it.
    Who can we believe when there are so many conflicting facts(?) being pushed by various politicians?
    But it’ll be good, looking forward every day to changes, even if it is only the name of the day which changes.

    My cartoon on the promised changes . . . .

    https://cartoonmick.wordpress.com/editorial-political/#jp-carousel-937

    Cheers
    Mick

  3. February 11, 2015 3:45 pm

    Nice one Mick 🙂

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2015 4:01 pm

    Liberal moderate Russell Broadbent said he had walked out because “Bill should be above the fray at times like that”.

    Mr Broadbent said Mr Shorten had referred to “cuts” which were in fact forward outlays to “a peak body organisation” which were not delivered.

    “Leaders should be above the fray on times when speeches are being delivered at times like that,” Mr Broadbent told news.com.au.

    “In fact I think the nation is crying out for leaders who would be above the fray at times like that.”

    The CEO of the Aboriginal Family Violence Prevention and Legal Service Antoinette Braybrook acknowledged it was her organisation affected by the funding changes.

    Ms Braybrook supported the “positive recognition” of family violence by Mr Shorten and was encouraged by it.

    Mr Broadbent obviously voted for the Good Government Godbotherer, The Mad Abbott, see what I mean about catliks? And christian charity … hypocrites all … the only people politicising the plight of Aboriginal women and kids is the Tories … as usual …

    Good Government my arse!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/opposition-leaders-reference-to-cuts-in-funding-of-indigenous-family-violence-programs-sparks-pathetic-snub/story-fncynjr2-1227215927945

    And the High Court is now waking up to Morriscum too …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/refugee-wins-high-court-challenge-against-immigration-minister/story-fncynjr2-1227215799840

  5. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 11, 2015 4:03 pm

    “whilst leaving the heavy lifting to those who can least afford it.”

    Any solutions for the problems facing us??

    Labor supporters tell me because we are sovereign in our currency we can print money to pay off the debt Rudd/Gillard caused.

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2015 4:13 pm

    Mick, great stuff, mate … I confess to just reading and reading and reading … !

    ===========================================

    “whilst leaving the heavy lifting to those who can least afford it.”

    Any solutions for the problems facing us??

    Couldn’t find a pair of tits in a brothel! Thick as …

  7. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 11, 2015 4:27 pm

    “And the High Court is now waking up to Morriscum too

    Morriscom??

    Morrison is the refugees only hope.

    Maybe 10 , 20 or 30 thousand refugees from UNHCR camps have been denied places in Australia because of your vote in 2007.

    The only scum are people like you TB who do nothing but destroy the lives of people.

    Furthermore we have spent $12B housing all the country shoppers who came here because of YOUR vote in 2007.

    Your only purpose in life is to destroy the lives of people.

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2015 4:57 pm

    Day 2

    These were noted six months ago … wonder if they are now gone? Shakes head …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/for-a-coffee-table-your-tax-dollars-hard-at-work/story-e6frflo9-1227013551395

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2015 5:00 pm

    Day 3

    These will go too I hope Mr Jockey? More no-brainers …

    http://ciswastewatch.org.au/

  10. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 11, 2015 5:09 pm

    Day 4

    Hopefully TB has a conscience and realises his vote in 2007 destroyed the lives of 30,000 people and cost Australia $12B housing 50,000 country shoppers.

    $12B?? And TB is worried about coffee tables not what the damage HIS vote caused in 2007.

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2015 5:13 pm

    Day 2 … Day 3 … does it really make any difference because the BS we got on Monday and since was just so much waffle!

    And I bet The Mad Abbott’s job that it will continue!

    My one hope is that the journalists will regain their ethics (and balls! Yes, you too madam!) and start finding all the real government waste …

    Nothing has ever happened before with any government I’ve ever seen in this country … but if Jockey thinks he’s got the “right stuff” … now’s the time to prove it … get rid of the waste …

    He can then work on negative gearing, family trusts, post pollie perqs, a wage freeze on pollies and fatcat PS salaries …

    If that isn’t enough then they can reduce the Comcar fleet and drive themselves to work …

    Pollies in NSW, NSW and Victoria can train to work … any pollies who live more than 500 kls from Canberra can fly economy class …

    Any frequent flyer points gained by pollies can be held in trust by the ADF for any emergency flights by ADF families …

    Jockey can then look seriously at personal income tax and business tax …

  12. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 11, 2015 5:16 pm

    “…Leaders should be above the fray on times when speeches are being delivered at times like that,” Mr Broadbent told news.com.au…”

    Just like Abbott was at the G20 and how he has been with every speech he ever made!

  13. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 11, 2015 5:28 pm

    “…This was demonstrated today when members of the Liberal Party walked out in protest during Bill Shorten’s address at the Closing the Gap report launch…”

    Just as they walked out and turned their backs on the national apology. Some things never change.

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2015 5:34 pm

    Just as they walked out and turned their backs on the national apology. Some things never change.

    And were never going to change especially with a “Good Government (what an oxymoron that is!) … you could never describe the Libnits a progressive – renowned in fact for being regressive recidivists … like many of their followers …

  15. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 11, 2015 5:53 pm

    Day 5

    TB ignores the lives of 1-2,000 people who drowned after Labor abolished the Pacific Solution. Most probably 4 times that number because who knows how many drowned.

    Does not care about the poor people in UNHCR camps who were denied places in Australia because of his vote in 2007.

    Does not care about the $12B housing 50,000 boat people who were encouraged to come here by the ALP. Most boat people were country shoppers like Raza Berati who could not get a job in Iran.

  16. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2015 5:57 pm

    Any solutions for the problems facing us??

    You mean like all those ones I keep putting up ignoramus

    TB ignores the lives of 1-2,000 people who drowned after Labor abolished the Pacific Solution.

    nIl ignores the fact that drownings in the area have increased dramatically since the libs started towing boats back.

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2015 5:57 pm

    Day 2 Good Government Adults in Charge … The Mad Abbott …

    Tony Abbott has claimed the Labor opposition wants Russia or North Korea to build Australia’s next fleet of submarines and that it objects to Japanese involvement because of “antediluvian xenophobia” dating to the second world war.

    The prime minister’s outburst during parliamentary question time on Wednesday followed days of confusion about the process the Coalition government would follow to decide on the submarine acquisition.

    Abbott said the government would not pursue an open tender because that would allow anyone – including Russia or North Korea – to bid to be involved in the project.

    “They don’t understand the difference between an open tender and an evaluation process – a competitive evaluation process,” he said in response to a question from the opposition leader, Bill Shorten.

    “Do you know about an open tender? Anyone can compete. What the leader of the opposition wants – he wants anyone to be able to compete to provide Australia’s next generation of submarines. He might want the Russians to compete; the Putin-class subs is what we will get from the leader of the opposition.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/11/tony-abbott-open-tender-means-navy-risks-buying-vladimir-putin-submarines

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2015 6:03 pm

    Day 2 Good Governent … Department of Treasury & Finance wrong … The Mad Abbott and Jockey contradict each other again …

    Meanwhile, Joe Hockey – who spent much of the day explaining why he should keep his job as treasurer after another round of unhelpful anonymous media speculation – said on radio the pre-election fiscal outlook (Pefo) report was “wrong”.

    Pefo is the independent financial report produced by the departments of finance and treasury during election campaigns, under the charter of budget honesty, to make sure the country votes with the full knowledge of the budget position that is totally correct.

    It forecast deficits over the next two years of $28.7bn, compared with the currently forecast $72bn, which is inconvenient given the government’s argument that the “debt and deficit disaster” is all the fault of Labor.

    Part of this change, as Hockey pointed out, was because he chose to give $8.8bn to the Reserve Bank to replenish its reserves. Whatever the reasons for that decision, it still doesn’t make the Pefo incorrect.

    And then both Abbott and Hockey kept saying quite contradictory things about the budget – Abbott indicating that the measures from last year’s budget stalled in the Senate were unlikely to proceed, and Hockey that they must proceed because that is the only way Australia can ever return to budget surplus.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/11/tony-abbott-submarines-take-good-government-down-to-the-depths

    Kids at play …

  19. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 11, 2015 6:03 pm

    “You mean like all those ones I keep putting up ignoramus”

    They were not solutions but proposals. And ALP proposals do not work.

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2015 6:07 pm

    I’ll leave you two, too it …

  21. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2015 6:12 pm

    They were not solutions but proposals.

    The Carbon Price was a “proposal: ❓ 😯

  22. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2015 6:14 pm

    From the subs article

    In fact he suggested Labor might want a bid from Kim Jong-il, who is, of course, dead – but we presume that was a mistake.

    lol. A mistake indicates he had a clue before he started speaking. I think that is being a bit presumptuous TB 😉

  23. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2015 6:15 pm

    I’ll leave you two, too it …

    I’ll leave nIl to keep posting inanities to himself then 🙂

  24. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2015 6:19 pm

    It appears that ‘Good grubmint” means continuing to lie to Parliament

    of course, being able to point out lies is being stamped out by our patrons of “free speech”

  25. Tom R permalink
    February 11, 2015 6:20 pm

  26. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 11, 2015 6:24 pm

    “The Carbon Price was a “proposal”

    I thought the carbon tax was supposed to stop CO2 pollution.

    Now you are telling me it was supposed to help the budget.

  27. February 11, 2015 6:25 pm

    Fucking monotonous ass hat

    Cant you just feel the insincerity of his faux contrition? Abbott and these dysfunctional fuckwits that our resident liar so worships and defends cant even state coherently just exactly

    (A) What they actually are doing
    (B) What they stand for
    (C) what their made up shit actually means…
    (D) What their policy vision is

    over their rhetorical press slogainsm an bullshit laden lies… This mob is on the nose and will be judged as the worst dysfunctionally incompetent government in Australia’s history run by an utter fool.

    The thing about lies is you get caught out as you must have an impeccable memory…..
    I remember just how incompetent these fuckwits were before the Mk3 makeover…
    18 moths down the track they are still trying to figure out that they are in government and not in opposition…

  28. February 11, 2015 6:28 pm

    Tom R.. stop feeding the troll..(were down to one)
    You cannot have a logical exchange with an imbecile…

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 11, 2015 6:38 pm

    “were down to one”

    I think you mean ‘we’re down to one’

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2015 7:14 pm

    I think you mean ‘we’re down to one’

    Back to two … I see …

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2015 7:42 pm

    Day 2 Good Government – Bronwyn The Mad Bishop …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/mrs-bishop-has-now-kicked-out-309-mps-304-from-labor-in-15-months/story-fncynjr2-1227216299822

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2015 7:45 pm

    Day 2 Good Government – The Mad Medicare Mislead …

    CONFUSION over the fate of the government’s unpopular $5 GP fee continues to dog the government with the Prime Minister’s Parliamentary secretary telling radio listeners it has been scrapped.

    Not so, says the Health Minister Sussan Ley.

    Discontent with the $5 cut to the Medicare rebate that will bring an end to bulk billing for general patients and push up the cost of seeing some doctors to $65 was central to this week’s challenge to Tony Abbott’s leadership.

    MPs demanded the Prime Minister scrap the charge which their voters are opposed to in order to turn around the government’s poor polling.

    There was also much breast beating about the failure of the government to communicate its policies better to the electorate.

    Despite the protests, the government is sticking with the contentious $5 fee.

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/is-the-5-gp-fee-on-or-off-the-prime-ministers-own-parliamentary-secretary-doesnt-seem-to-know/story-fneuz9ev-1227216426229

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    February 11, 2015 7:46 pm

    Hey, sreb, thanks for the fred … 🙄

  34. February 11, 2015 8:13 pm

    Welcomes TB…

  35. February 11, 2015 8:42 pm

    ”””””””’Mrs Bishop kicked out Labor frontbenchers Anthony Albanese and Mark Dreyfus today, to reach a total of 309 MPs removed since she became Speaker on November 12, 2013. Of that total, 304 were Labor MPs and five were from the Coalition.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/mrs-bishop-has-now-kicked-out-309-mps-304-from-labor-in-15-months/story-fncynjr2-1227216299822 ”””””””””””’

    #at least the old crone is unbiased, 🙂

  36. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 11, 2015 10:38 pm

    Well the report has come out on the people who locked up more men, women and children in Australian history. It was the Rudd/Gillard govt who did this but guess who gets the blame? Morrison

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/children-in-detention-report-findings/story-e6frfku9-1227216563588

    I like this bit

    ” Children held on Christmas Island have been denied the right to education for more than a year”

    It was Gillard who denied children an education. When Morrison found out about this he introduced education facilities

    THE AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY IS A CORRUPT AND IMMORAL POLITICAL PARTY ELECTED BY CORRUPT AND IMMORAL PEOPLE

  37. February 11, 2015 10:50 pm

  38. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 11, 2015 11:08 pm

    Well after Rudd/Gillard locked up more people than any govt in Australian history they did not allow the kids to go to school

    Morrison changed that

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-24/christmas-island-children-asylum-seekerswetting-bed-flashbacks/5620202

    There is one hope, according to Professor Triggs – the children will soon be able to go to school.

    Professor Triggs says the Government has responded to her request for education for the children.”

    What a bunch of deadbeats were Rudd/Gillard.

    Wonderful Scott Morrison started up school facilities and let kids go to school which the ALP banned

  39. February 12, 2015 1:40 am


  40. February 12, 2015 7:32 am

    US think tank calls Tony Abbott “”the most incompetent leader of any industrialised democracy””

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/us-think-tank-asks-is-tony-abbott-the-most-incompetent-leader-of-any-industrialised-democracy-20150211-13cda6.html

  41. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 8:30 am

    I think they forgot to add “ever” to that story reb.

    First they’ll let the Ruskies, then the North Koreans. If it gets any crazier, they might even let the Australians tender 😯

  42. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 9:07 am

    Well done to Shorten for highlighting the grubminsts startling hypocrisy of the “clsong the gap” fig leafs

    Then Shorten got up and suggested that since the report was so damning, how’s about the government think about reversing the half a billion in cuts that had been made to things like Aboriginal housing, legal aid, education, training, addiction recovery, health services and a bunch of other things that relate directly to poverty and poor health?

    “Right now, a host of vital organisations don’t know whether their funding will be continued or withdrawn. When people fleeing family violence need a safe place to stay, cuts mean that shelters close. When having a lawyer can determine whether a first-time offender gets a second chance or a prison sentence, these cuts will rob Indigenous Australians of legal aid.”

    And that’s when a group of government MPs got up and walked out, because they are very, very cool and awesome.

    Those MPs included Russell Broadbent, Andrew Nikolic, Angus Taylor, John Cobb, Ken O’Dowd and Melissa Price, in a move that’s definitely not at best childish and at worst offensively dismissive of one of Australia’s most shameful and inexcusable problems.

    Say, why not drop them a line letting them know what you think of elected members of Parliament flouncing out when they have a job to do? They’d probably really appreciate it!

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/view-from-the-street/view-from-the-street-classy-mps-walk-out-on-discussion-of-indigenous-health-20150211-13c52j.html

  43. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 9:14 am

    I’m assuming this can only mean one thing

    A Royal Commission!

    There is “no direct evidence” that windfarms affect health in humans, a report by the National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) has found.

    However the chairman of the NHMRC wind farms and health reference group, the Sydney University Emeritus Professor Bruce Armstrong, said the available studies on the subject were of too poor a quality to confidently rule out any link.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/11/wind-farm-study-finds-no-direct-evidence-they-affect-health

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 12, 2015 9:23 am

    The integrity of the vote that installed Bill Shorten as federal Labor leader is under scrutiny after an ALP tribunal found the mailing addresses for dozens of ballot papers were altered at the request of a staff member of senator Sam Dastyari.

    That’s quite funny!

    http://www.theage.com.au/nsw/bill-shortens-leadership-ballot-under-scrutiny-after-sam-dastyaris-office-redirected-papers-20150211-13bvlo.html

  45. February 12, 2015 9:28 am

  46. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 9:28 am

    yabots solution is “more cops, less help”. Dickhead.

  47. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 9:43 am

    I wonder if our ‘xtian’ leaders will do anything about this atrocity?

    The report, The Forgotten Children, has also called for all children to be released from mainland detention and from the detention centre on Nauru after examining hundreds cases of assault against children, including and more than 30 incidences of sexual assault.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/hundreds-of-children-abused-in-detention-report-20150211-13b10a.html

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 12, 2015 9:51 am

    This needs to be stated again.

    According to Triggs there were no educational facilities for the record number of children in the detenton centers under Rudd/Gillard.

    Morrison corrected that wrong.

  49. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 9:53 am

    I heard something about Labor chasing this in QT? Not sure if that was someones wish or a fact? But the TPP really needs to be looked at closer

    According to leaked documents, the proposed trade deal, which I like to call the Southern Hemisphere Asian Free Trade Agreement – SHAFTA – would extend patent protections for drugs made by Big Pharma to prevent rival companies from making generic version of those same drugs.

    This a huge deal.

    http://economyincrisis.org/content/what-the-corporate-media-arent-telling-you-about-the-tpp

  50. February 12, 2015 10:05 am

    Good Government Day 4:

    Tony Abbott calls the children in detention report “a blatantly political exercise”

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/12/tony-abbott-rejects-report-children-detention-blatantly-political?CMP=soc_568

  51. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 10:05 am

    What’s the saying ?

    “fool me once………..”?

  52. February 12, 2015 10:06 am

    Meanwhile: “Peter Dutton links Sydney terrorism suspect to Labor’s migration policies”

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/12/peter-dutton-links-sydney-terrorism-suspect-labor-migration-policy

  53. February 12, 2015 10:08 am

    Tony Abbott when asked if he feels ‘any guilt’ over treatment of children in detention centres: ‘None whatsoever’

  54. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 10:12 am

    Tony Abbott calls the children in detention report “a blatantly political exercise”

    Perhaps he meant to say “a report on a blatantly political exercise” ? 😉

  55. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 12, 2015 10:15 am

    “Tony Abbott calls the children in detention report “a blatantly political exercise””

    It was. How else an you explain that no investigation took place when Labor had more then 2,000 kids in detention?

    They have one now when the Coalition is in power the boats have stopped and there are less than 200 kids in detention and rapidly decreasing.

  56. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 10:16 am

    Tony Abbott when asked if he feels ‘any guilt’ over treatment of children in detention centres: ‘None whatsoever’

    ► Tony Abbott when asked if he feels ‘any guilt’ over making a secret deal with Japan over subs: ‘None whatsoever’

    ► Tony Abbott when asked if he feels ‘any guilt’ over ripping millions from indigenous programs and then crying crocodile tears about it: ‘None whatsoever’

    ► Tony Abbott when asked if he feels ‘any guilt’ over making promises before an election and breaking pretty much all of them: ‘None whatsoever’

    ► Tony Abbott when asked if he feels ‘any guilt’ over making hockey treasurer: ‘None whatsoever’

  57. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 10:16 am

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 12, 2015 10:23 am

    And of course Labor supporters who locked up all these children and handed the problem to the Coalition govt feel no guilt.

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 12, 2015 10:42 am

    …It was. How else an you explain that no investigation took place when Labor had more then 2,000 kids in detention?
    They have one now when the Coalition is in power the boats have stopped and there are less than 200 kids in detention and rapidly decreasing…

    The difference neil is that labor was transparent and open about detention. The media knew about things andthe public was informed. Don’t you recall the coalition shrieking about another boat arriving, making a running tally and crowing to the rooftops about any issue in detention? The papers would have huge headlines and the unlucky minister would have to get up and advise the public about whatever had happened. I don’t think anyone died under labor’s watch [I could be wrong].

    This govt has had all operations shrouded in total secrecy, no-one knows what’s been going on in those gulags. Seems to me the govt. is very frightened of a light being shone on their detention policies.

  60. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 10:44 am

    Ooh, careful AO, replying to dimwits is frowned on here (apparently)

    I’ve been trying to ignore this morning, but the level of stoopid sometimes just seems to force a response.

    Which is, I assume, the plan 😦

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    February 12, 2015 10:57 am

    Seems to me the govt. is very frightened of a light being shone on their detention policies.

    And some of us have always argued against off-shore detention … its irresponsible, uncaring and uncharitable to say the least …

    The Rudd/Gillard governments (and the public servants who advised them) demonstrated their ignorance by putting Muslims on Manus Island — PNG is a very, very Christian country, add to that the volatile nature of many PNG Nationals and you are heading for trouble … stupid incompetence …

  62. February 12, 2015 11:04 am

  63. February 12, 2015 11:04 am

    *This needs to be stated again.
    According to Triggs there were no educational facilities for the record number of children in the detenton centers under Rudd/Gillard.

    *And of course Labor supporters who locked up all these children and handed the problem to the Coalition govt feel no guilt.

    * They have one now when the Coalition is in power the boats have stopped and there are less than 200 kids in detention and rapidly decreasing.

    Just look at the type of people that support these disgracefully immoral ass hats. Anything they don’t like they divide as leftist and inconveniently incorrecty

    Perhaps he meant to say “a report on a blatantly political exercise” ?

    Spot on mate 🙂

    Meanwhile: “Peter Dutton links Sydney terrorism suspect to Labor’s migration policies”

    Of course..fear factor to deflect the failings of a dysfunctional and incompetent government in crisis from patent dishonesty.

    Tony Abbott when asked if he feels ‘any guilt’ over treatment of children in detention centres: ‘None whatsoever’

    “should Give Scotty a letter of conflagrations”.. “they should be ashamed of themselves”…..

    What a fucking grub….Megalomaniac devoid of empathy trying to save his own ass. Will go down in history as the worst.. makse Rudd look like a genius. 🙄

  64. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 12, 2015 11:04 am

    The coalition have done their very best to sling mud at triggs and discredit the work of her organisation and concerned medical professionals, that tells us how politically embarrassing the report is and why morrison would want another ministry.

    Triggs: at the highest level of arrivals, the children were only held for a short time and then released, that has changed.
    Totally reject any claim of political exercise, many still in indefinite detention.

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 12, 2015 11:05 am

    Rudd/Gillard/Rudd/Abbott – they’re all c**ts on this issue.

  66. February 12, 2015 11:09 am

    Hands up who’s actually read the report.. Nils put your hand down..

  67. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 11:11 am

    Andrew Elder highlights both the actual story, and how the press seem to miss it, again.

    Tony Abbott is not, and never was, entitled to be taken at his word. Abbott professes concern but his actions belie them, which diminish our ability to take him at his word. The press gallery has been culpable over the past five years of doing exactly that: taking a politician at his word.

    ……..

    Shorten was right not to focus on the organisations, because ongoing funding implies that the problems will be ongoing and not closed. Instead, he gave concrete examples – people fleeing family violence, first-time offenders before the dock – that are so rare but so important when discussing policy. Any fool can ladle on the pleasantries and plenty more fools can simply quote them, but getting down to practical examples is the very stuff that both Parliament and press gallery exist to scrutinise.

    ……….

    Shorten didn’t call them liars or impugn them personally. He didn’t even blame them for ongoing Indigenous disadvantage. He gave concrete examples of consequences that follow from their own actions.

    …..

    Simple question, indispensable to this article and the issues arising from it: did the government cut $500 million from programs contributing to Close the Gap outcomes, or not? Ability to answer that question should be what separates press gallery professionals from sensationalist blow-ins.

    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2015/02/the-gap.html

  68. February 12, 2015 11:12 am

    Rudd/Gillard/Rudd/Abbott – they’re all c**ts on this issue.

    Absolutely ..a point lot on partisan asshats who put their mindless cheering before their morality,

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 12, 2015 11:14 am

    Over 30% of children in detention have serious mental health disorders.

    Just think about that for a moment.

    How is that not a human rights issue?

    What about the UN conventions and the rights of the child?

    Suddenly on my abc24, we have a defence briefing. Amazing how as soon as we have any criticism or scrutiny of govt actions, we get the defence finding a need to speak to the public about things that they can’t speak about for security reasons and terrorists have been found!

    🙄

    Only the rusted ons will find that propaganda exercise credible.

  70. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 11:18 am

    Only the rusted ons will find that propaganda exercise credible

    In one, two , three ….

  71. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 12, 2015 11:22 am

  72. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 12, 2015 11:30 am

    Sev Ozdowski also thinks it is political

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/gillian-triggs-call-on-children-in-detention-rejected/story-fn9hm1gu-1227216614569

    Former human rights commissioner Sev Ozdowski, whose 2004 report was instrumental in securing the release of children from detention under the Howard government, said he was concerned the work of the commission had been politicised. He said he was “quite surprised when the situation was really bad, when we had enormous number of children in immigration detention under the Rudd and Gillard governments, basically the commission was doing very little’’.

    Dr Ozdowski, who spoke before the tabling of the report, said: “What’s happened … undermines the good name of the commission, undermines the nature of human rights commission inquiries because it politicises it — it is very regrettable.’’

    The commission announced its inquiry last February, four months after the election of the Coalition — and after people-smuggling boats started to abate.

    More than 800 boats, 51,000 asylum-seekers and 8400 children had arrived in the six years under Labor. An estimated 1200 people perished at sea

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    February 12, 2015 11:33 am

    … that tells us how politically embarrassing the report is and why morrison would want another ministry.

    Was thinking that this morning … and Dutton is the perfect dopey, scapegoat …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And the shooter was a rabid atheist! (Thank God for that!)

    I keep thinking about the ten pollie walk-out yesterday … spontaneous? coincidental? My arse … you organise a group of ten … two maybe spontaneous or three … four at a pinch … but TEN?

    The theatrics are what is annoying the shit out of the electorate … call me a fool by all means – but never, ever treat me like one …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Day 3 of Good Government

    And Micallef’s back! Yes!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/shaun-micallef-returns-in-overnight-top-10/story-e6frfku9-1227216877012

  74. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 11:37 am

    Being in the lolstralian, the ellipses are what is probably the real story there

    What’s happened undermines

    Of course, far be it for me to accuse the lolstralian of “cherry picking” 😉

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 12, 2015 11:41 am

    …I keep thinking about the ten pollie walk-out yesterday … spontaneous? coincidental? My arse … you organise a group of ten … two maybe spontaneous or three … four at a pinch … but TEN?…

    Yes, protecting the PM.

    Who is the minister for aboriginals?

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 12, 2015 11:42 am

  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 12, 2015 11:43 am

  78. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 11:48 am

    I have been hearing hockey crowing about “number of jobs created” being far higher than under Labor.

    Yet Unemployment continues to rise, and the average hours worked continues to fall. Just what IS he crowing about?

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    February 12, 2015 12:05 pm

    Day 3 of the Good Governmnet Playschool Week 1…

    Also strange the sudden attack on Bill Shorten’s leadership … timing is everything …

  80. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 12:08 pm

    Yea TB, we must naval gaze at Labor’s leadershit to take attention away from the libs

    Although, I have noticed that fairfax is running a few “sauces” stories about the libs leadershit as well. It’s like they’re stuck in a rutt

  81. February 12, 2015 12:09 pm

    I love how Nil is right out out of the blocks with Abbott and all the other immoral cunts castigating the report he has not read as political…and blatantly partisan.

    As Trigs says “the report speaks for itself and I reject that criticism totally”

    Its obvious that Like Nil, Abbott has not read the report otherwise they would be spinning it in their favour…
    The fact is its a National shame.. I urge everyone to read it and weep.its above politics and very inconvenient information to those who falsely claim to be libertarian whist orerously destroying peoples human rights.

  82. February 12, 2015 12:09 pm

    “”And Micallef’s back! Yes!”””

    That was GOLD last night…. best comedy on TV! (Well that and QT)

  83. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 12, 2015 12:14 pm

    that tells us how politically embarrassing the report is and why morrison would want another ministry.

    The only people who should be embarrassed by this report is the people who locked up all these children

    That is TB, Toilet, AO, TomR, REb who sat by and did nothing when Labor locked up all these children.

    But Labor supporters have no shame.

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    February 12, 2015 12:17 pm

    Day 3 of Good Government …

    THE unemployment rate rose to 6.4 per cent in January from 6.1 per cent in December, a larger than expected increase.

    THE number of people with jobs fell 12,200 to 11.669 million in January, weaker than the 7,500 jobs increase economists had expected.

    Full-time employment fell 28,100 in January and part-time employment was up 15,900, the Australian Bureau of Statistics said on Thursday.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Indeedy! Sreb!

    Reminder … s02e01 The Dr Blake Mysteries starts Friday 13th …

    Gallipoli looks like it might shape up too … having read the book(s) 🙂

    I now have … s01e01 of The Knick too … might watch that today …

  85. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 12, 2015 12:23 pm

    Vultures circle Joe as he lashes out at Treasury:
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/02/11/vultures-circle-joe-as-he-lashes-out-at-treasury/

    …In late 2013, Hockey gave the Reserve Bank nearly $9 billion to increase its Reserve Fund, which had been reduced in value because of low interest rates and the strong Australian dollar had eroded the value of the bank’s US dollar holdings. Hockey blamed his predecessor Wayne Swan for not making the payment, but it was subsequently revealed that Treasury had not recommended that such a payment be made and the Reserve Bank had not requested it.

    PEFO is particularly problematic for Hockey, given it was prepared independently of any political interference and represents senior officials’ best guess about future deficits. Hockey’s own deficit figures for 2013-14, this year and the next two years have more than doubled since PEFO, as this chart shows…

  86. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 12, 2015 12:24 pm

    Too Funny

    Tb is concerned about unemployment at 6.4% but voted for keating when unemployment was at 11%!!!

  87. February 12, 2015 1:15 pm

    Oh the comparison is glaring…because this government is transforming the econoy… into shit… Go away you fucking imbecile go make yourself useful, educate yourseld and read that report with some fucking humility

  88. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 12, 2015 1:19 pm

    “More than 800 boats, 51,000 asylum-seekers and 8400 children had arrived in the six years under Labor. An estimated 1200 people perished at sea

    And this is Abbotts fault?

    No it is TB’s, Toilet, AO, REbs fault and anybody else who voted Labor in 2007

  89. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 1:39 pm

    How many extra people have died at sea since we started turning boats back I wonder?

  90. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 2:00 pm

    Hopefully Labor will get onto the front foot with this as they have done with the ‘closing the gap’ crap from the libs

  91. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 2:05 pm

    He really is an obnoxious little fuckwit

    But their questions did not meet Education Minister Christopher Pyne’s dress standards.

    “I don’t talk to people in t-shirts and shorts,” he told Matt before sailing off into the night.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/the-pulse-live/politics-live-february-12-2015-20150212-13cgme.html

    Asked if he felt he was being picked on, he retorted: “I just think it’s remarkable that every Wednesday you manage to get a listener through who always manages to criticises me on your program. It’s remarkable that there’s never one who asks Mark Butler (Federal Labor MP) a question … it must be just a coincidence.”

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/christopher-pynes-incredibly-awkward-moment-on-abc-radio-in-adelaide/story-fni6uo1m-1227215940897

    poor widdle witch boy

  92. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 2:18 pm

    wow, yabot just denied promising SA subs in QT

  93. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 12, 2015 2:26 pm

    “How many extra people have died at sea since we started turning boats back I wonder?”

    What a response.

    This whole disaster is your fault TomR because you voted for Rudd in 2007.

  94. February 12, 2015 2:30 pm

  95. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 2:31 pm

  96. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 2:31 pm

    What a response.

    😯

  97. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 12, 2015 2:37 pm

    It is not only the several thousand people who drowned under Labor nor the thousands who were locked up.

    It was the tens of thousands of people in UNHCR camps who were denied places in Australia because Rudd abolished the Pacific Solution that is the great crime.

    And TB, TomR, Toilet, Reb do not care about the thousands of lives they have destroyed.

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    February 12, 2015 2:43 pm

    Day Three of Good Government

    Abbott declares there was a “Holocaust of jobs” under Labor and then says “I’m sorry and I withdraw”

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    February 12, 2015 2:48 pm

    I now have … s01e01 of The Knick too … might watch that today …

    And of course I put it on as we started lunch … and promptly turned it off 3 minutes later … as a pregnant woman was sliced open by a 19th Century “surgeon” …

    The Minister is looking forward to watching it! She watches the show with the cadavers being carved up … I won’t … maybe its the memory thing from being a H&S officer and later manager … I can deal (have) with real bloody emergencies but I just hate watching graphic detail!

  100. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 2:48 pm

    You find some funny comments following the #qt hashtag 🙂

  101. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 12, 2015 2:50 pm

    I think neil’s head is having issues. Rusted on libs not good at dynamically changing politics. Especially when team is declared hopelessly incompetent throughout the world!

  102. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 3:01 pm

    Personally, I think Labor can comply with this request

  103. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 3:06 pm

    And yabot lies AGAIN about $30 Billion and PEFO 😯

  104. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 3:10 pm

  105. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 3:36 pm

    Hypocrisy TB, it’s in almost everything they do and say

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    February 12, 2015 3:44 pm

    This Good Government reminds quite a lot about the Bad Government, TR …

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    February 12, 2015 4:19 pm

    Day Three of Good Government

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/pm-will-lie-low-during-nsw-poll-greiner/story-e6frfku9-1227217445074

    Chuckle …

  108. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 12, 2015 4:20 pm

    “This Good Government reminds quite a lot about the Bad Government, TR …”

    Very funny but pathetically true. In fact I think it has only gotten worse.

  109. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 12, 2015 4:40 pm

    tomr and sb
    😆

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    February 12, 2015 4:52 pm

    “Very funny but pathetically true” or, pathetically funny but very true … 😆

  111. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 12, 2015 4:54 pm

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-12/fair-work-australia-revives-civil-case-against-craig-thomson/6087300

    Never give up!
    Would this have anything to do with kathy jackson camp retribution for jackson fraud?

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    February 12, 2015 5:11 pm

    KL, while I thoroughly detest the man … two bites at the same cherry usually results in nothing … this is really “hounding and harassing” … double jeopardy … fuckwit lawyers I’d say …

  113. February 12, 2015 5:23 pm

    Pyne had all troops out attacking Labor on education…
    You know he’s losing when he is both making shit up and has 4 back benches telling porkies.. oh the industry supports it…
    Meanwhile wasting money to sell a policy with television ads?

    And TB, TomR, Toilet, Reb do not care about the thousands of lives they have destroyed.

    Seriously Reb ..what sort of cunt writes that sort of maliciously antagonistic stupidity.
    No wonder he barracks for Morrison and this lot.. they are the malicious lying asshole’s poster boys pick…

    And he wonders why he he’s banned rom Blogs writing this low intellect filth? fucking..pond scum…

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    February 12, 2015 5:29 pm

    So … this is the Good Government today that looks so much like the Bad Government we had yesterday which is the Netherworld Government we look like getting tomorrow …

    … and we don’t want any of ’em …

    What a dogsfknbreakfastofshambolicshitforbrainsofagovernment … absfknolutely astounding … will it never end? Ever?

  115. February 12, 2015 6:23 pm

    Well done Tony, your comments in Parliament today could see these guys acquitted..

    “”A prominent Australian barrister says statements made by the Prime Minister about two men accused of a terror plot could prejudice a future trial.””

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-12/pm-says-men-planned-to-stab-necks/6087256

  116. February 12, 2015 6:26 pm

    “”Seriously Reb ..what sort of cunt writes that sort of maliciously antagonistic stupidity.””

    The mind boggles, it really does…

  117. February 12, 2015 6:31 pm

    “In Parliament today, Tony Abbott managed what no national leader before him as ever achieved.

    He’s somehow managed to offend every single sector of the Australian community, with the possible exception of bogans. That’s no mean feat.”

    https://newmatilda.com/2015/02/12/abbott-compares-drop-defence-job-numbers-holocaust

  118. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 12, 2015 6:34 pm

    Nobody cared about kids in detention until the Coalition got into power.

    Labor had locked up record numbers of men, women and children and not much was said from 2007-2013 when the locking up was going on.

  119. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 12, 2015 7:21 pm

    So you’ve said neil, ad nauseum 🙄

  120. February 12, 2015 7:23 pm

    “when the locking up was going on”

    #AdultsinCharge

    #GoodGovernment

  121. February 12, 2015 7:27 pm

    “”Nobody cared about kids in detention until the Coalition got into power.””

    Actually we did.

    But I guess you missed that chapter to suit your own narrative..

    #fuckwit

  122. Tom R permalink
    February 12, 2015 7:36 pm

    Wow reb, I thought yabot lying about the subs, then lying about the budget, then the Holocaust, would be the worst things he did today, but that one about the tewwa “suspects” just boggles.

    “I know that it’s a long way down the track, but someone in a responsible position needs to be able to consider the fact that they should watch what they say, especially when, for a blatant political purpose, they are disclosing information that ought not at this stage be disclosed.”

    Maybe I shouldn’t have been cheering for him to stay on as leader 😦

    I watched the bit from the news where he made the Holocaust barb, and the two women behind him were just horrified. I wonder where their vote had gone?

    Of course, the dimwit reporter just passed it off as a yabot “slip of the tongue’ ffs, these people are fucking deranged.

  123. February 12, 2015 7:57 pm

    “these people are fucking deranged.”

    True dat. Which makes you wonder what sort of people would still vote for them…?

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    February 12, 2015 7:58 pm

    This is an interesting article (apart from the childish, nay, patronising approach that everyone is a primary school kid … “oranges at half time” … Sharwood is a twit of the most stupid kind and I doubt this basic compilation is his own work anyway … he’s just added half time oranges and other (opinion) shit … that’s OUR job …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/we-explain-whats-going-on-with-the-submarines-why-theyll-probably-be-built-in-japan/story-fncynjr2-1227216945097

    And why are these pricks so slow on the uptake?

    20. Is it totally ludicrous to think that a submarine-building deal in Japanese shipyards was a secret part of the JAEPA package? As Nick Bisely, professor if International Relations at La Trobe University told The Conversation, Mr Abbott “seemed to be in a hurry to strengthen and deepen ties between the two countries”, adding there is a “prospect that Japan will be closely involved in the development of Australia’s next-generation submarines.”

  125. February 12, 2015 8:02 pm

    Nils is incapable considering that anyone could disagree with a party they vote for ‘s position..this is the way of rusted on trolls that cannot think for themselves..

    I was asked by the ALP to help in the State election and I have declined and staed my reason to them as no clear position on CSG.

    I have subsequently decided to help some greens candidates.

    I have a few friends and my niece that are running as Greens candidates. All are super intelligent, switched on with lots of commercial and pragmatic life experience, which is more than I can say for the cavalcade of fuckwits stepping up for the majors.

    I cannot with any concious as a member of Lock the gate vote for either party on CSG alone. Both the major parties are rife with former Pollies on both sides (liberal are the worst) lobbying for Santos and AGL

  126. February 12, 2015 8:37 pm

    ””””””’vote that installed Bill Shorten as federal Labor leader is under scrutiny after an ALP tribunal found the mailing addresses for dozens of ballot papers””””””’

    # ohhhh team-cheerer, it looks like blib is throw`in mr-rabbit a life-line

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    February 12, 2015 8:40 pm

    Timing? tbagz …

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    February 12, 2015 9:01 pm

    Good Government must be so much easier without shows like Lateline … sadly missed in this household …

    Dog forbid they get rid of ABC News 24 …

  129. February 12, 2015 9:34 pm

    The Shortman thing was rigged from the start… they sent a ballot paper to my old address and I had to go into head office to cast my vote personally after much tubthumping…
    Fucking Chris Bowen should be in the LNP

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4179072.htm

    Is there nobody in the country that has the vision and talent of PJK? Gillard was a modern visionary in a Pariah pit.

  130. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 12, 2015 9:52 pm

    I quite like Chris Bowen

  131. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 12, 2015 11:42 pm

    …How many extra people have died at sea since we started turning boats back I wonder?…

    750

    Children in detention doubly forgotten, as politicians respond with pointless bickering:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/12/suffer-the-little-children-in-detention-for-they-are-in-political-limbo

    …Australia is an island nation that shares no land borders, and is a long way away from the world’s conflicts.

    The boats have not stopped.

    They are being stopped – 15 turn-backs that are known of in the past 18 months – and the vessels continue their sorry carriage around the region, in various states of seaworthiness. Last year, 63,000 people boarded boats across southeast Asia, seeking sanctuary in another country. Most headed south from the Bay of Bengal. Most ended up in Malaysia and Thailand or Indonesia. Several hundred were turned back from getting to Australia. About 750 died or drowned along the way…

  132. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 13, 2015 5:09 am

    Everybody knows Howard released all children in detention following the 2004 report.

    Why then did the so-called party of compassion lock up record numbers of children and nobody said anything about it?

  133. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 6:31 am

    Is it totally ludicrous to think that a submarine-building deal in Japanese shipyards was a secret part of the JAEPA package?

    It’s at the point where its ludicrous NOT to think that a submarine-building deal in Japanese shipyards was a secret part of the JAEPA package?

    and nobody said anything about it?

    reb already pointed out some hard truths for you which you have totally ignored. Even I, a rusted on, was critical of what happened after the Malaysian solution, and some before.

  134. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 6:54 am

    I’m absolutely disgusted at the personal and political attacks on the human rights commissioner.

    Shining a light on the filth that is our asylum seeker policy seems to cause mass hysteria within the coalition.

    There is much to be ashamed of I think.

  135. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 7:11 am

    I’m absolutely disgusted at the personal and political attacks on the human rights commissioner.

    And who was at the heart of all of them

    murdor of course, with his typical misrepresentation of events that gets his more pliable readers foaming with indignation, until reality can break through. Well, for those where reality still has a foothold anyway

  136. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 13, 2015 8:06 am

    “I’m absolutely disgusted at the personal and political attacks on the human rights commissioner.”

    I am not.

    She should have had this enquiry when Labor/Greens were in power.

  137. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 8:27 am

    She should have had this enquiry when Labor/Greens were in power.

    She didn’t need to. she was given access to everything she needed, so launching an enquiry wasn’t deemed necessary to get to the bottom, they could see it themselves.

  138. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 9:24 am

    And as she explained, she held off til after the election, which sounds quite reasonable to me, since things were so rabid at the time.

    She was probably hoping for good and adult government

  139. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 13, 2015 9:25 am

    No one should bother even reading the report. Trigg, appointed by the ALP, has so politicised the Human Rights Commission it has no credibility.

    Apart from that, the only reason there is a problem at all is because of the ALP’s disastrous policies. There were virtually no children in detention before they took office. As well as luring over a thousand people, including children to their deaths they put 2,000 children into detention. Their apologists will never forgive Morrison for ending the drownings and reducing the number of children in detention by 80%. Trigg may have some credibility now if she had shown any spine when the ALP/Green coalition was locking up children.

    The tragedy is that the ALP did not have to do anything. There was no problem to solve when they took office. The only reason they started luring people to their deaths was their own vanity. It made them feel good about themselves. The deaths? Just shrug and say “tragedies happen.” In fact tragedies did happen and it was because of the narcissism of the progressives.

    We do need a Royal Commission into ALP appointments. All government funded organisations controlled by leftist apparatchiks should be closed down, starting with the ABC. And Trigg should resign in shame. She is a disgrace.

  140. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 13, 2015 9:29 am

    “she held off til after the election, which sounds quite reasonable to me”

    I think that sounds like a dreadful and partisan excuse, if the organisation is supposed to be a fierce protector of human rights, and independent of government.

  141. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 9:39 am

    politicised the Human Rights Commission

    Are you able to perhaps show how?

  142. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 13, 2015 9:46 am

    “She didn’t need to. she was given access to everything she needed, so launching an enquiry wasn’t deemed necessary to get to the bottom”

    Sounds like a partisian comment to me.

    So this enquiry is only being held because it was not necessary when 2,000 kids were locked up under ALP/Greens?

    ” There were virtually no children in detention before they took office.

    Actually there were no children in detention in 2007 and only 6 boat people in detention. I guess those 6 people could not get a security clearance for some reason. Could be Republican Guard type people.

  143. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 13, 2015 9:55 am

    Tom R, I have a similar concerns to Sev Ozdowski:

    Between 2002 and 2004 I as the Australian Human Rights Commissioner have conducted the first inquiry that resulted in a report ‘A Last Resort? National Inquiry into Children in Immigration Detention’ tabled in Parliament on the Budget day 2004. This report found that the mandatory immigration detention of children was fundamentally inconsistent with Australia’s international human rights obligations and that detention for long periods created a high risk of serious mental harm. In response the Howard Government released all children and their families from immigration detention few months later.

    Certainly the repetition of my inquiry is the highest form of flattery but [the] timing is very odd. When the boats were arriving in large numbers and Labor was at its peak of cruelty towards the boat arrivals AHRC almost did not see the problem and the newly appointed Children Rights Commissioner was proclaiming that her jurisdiction is limited to domestic matters.

    It would be interesting to learn what AHRC jurisdiction is over Manus and Nauru. Also, how its findings will add to the 2004 report’s findings and recommendations. Let’s hope the inquiry is not only a political exercise in consciousness raising but that it will bring a permanent end to the long term immigration detention of children.

    Trigg has been less than convincing in justifying her inaction when the ALP was in power and admits that this inquiry is 2-3 years too late.

    Look, I have a share of the blame, having voted for the ALP in 2007. But at least I can admit the disastrous consequences of his change to refugee policy.

  144. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 9:56 am

    http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/family-speaks-after-courtney-topic-shot-dead-at-hungry-jacks-20150212-13d2om.html

    This seems a bit weird, according to the police she was threatening self harm and was trying to run onto the road.
    They shot her to prevent her harming herself?

  145. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:02 am

    AHRC almost did not see the problem

    Funny, because back at the time there was no call for an inquiry because the access was allowed by the department for the commissioner and other.

    It was only when the libs stopped that access that an inquiry was mooted, as they no longer could see what was happening.

    You can cherry pick statements till the cows come home to suit your agenda, but that is the simple fact of the matter.

  146. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:09 am

    “Funny, because back at the time there was no call for an inquiry because the access was allowed by the department for the commissioner and other.”

    Then why did Trigg say that the inquiry came 2 or 3 years too late?

  147. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:10 am

    ..Trigg, appointed by the ALP, has so politicised the Human Rights Commission it has no credibility…”

    Does that mean that anytime any govt appoints anyone to do something the public should take no notice because it’s not their particular team who has appointed the person?
    So nothing Abbott has done since coming to office has any relevance to people who don’t vote for him, it’s all partisan nonsense?

    Not the best way to run a govt for all is it? Never mind besmirching a hard earned professional reputation of a good woman.

  148. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:14 am

    Then why did Trigg say that the inquiry came 2 or 3 years too late?

    Is that precisely what she said?

  149. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:15 am

    Never mind besmirching a hard earned professional reputation of a good woman.”

    She’d have a better reputation and more credibility if she hadn’t farmed out her own disabled daughter to be raised by another family.

  150. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:16 am

    Perhaps the complaints of medical people and the deaths in detention plus png govt condoned sadism and torture of people locked up required some looking into?

  151. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:20 am

    lol, just saw it, and she blamed her predecessor

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/child-detention-study-two-years-too-late-says-gillian-triggs/story-fn9hm1gu-1226817109064

    Which obviously makes her partisan ROFL

    Simple fact, while access was allowed, the need wasn’t as dire. It’s pretty simple really, I’m not surprised for the confusion then 😆

    Ms Branson told The Australian she did not launch an official inquiry, despite protests from advocates and political parties against Labor’s detention policies, because the commission was receiving appropriate information from the then Department of Immigration and Citizenship.

    “We were constantly monitoring the treatment of children in detention and I always found the department to be very responsive and cooperative in helping us do that,” Ms Branson said.

  152. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:22 am

    if she hadn’t farmed out her own disabled daughter to be raised by another family.

    Wow. Let the ad-hominems fly

    You recall the red faeces that were received when the lolstralian ran their attack abot Triggs “releasing a killer” or some such rot.

    Do you have your sauce for that piece of gutter trash?

  153. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:24 am

    This isn’t about access. It is about a report into the conditions of detention. the HRC has gone after the Libs who have got 1.650 children out of detention while keeping schtum while the ALP put 2,000 children in detention. One of her excuses was that there was an election in the offing. Sounds political to me. Not the words of a fearless champion of children’s rights.

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:25 am

    Day Four of Good Government …

    … and another gaffe … (technically yesterday I know) but there will be others today – have no doubt)

    PRIME Minister Tony Abbott is under fire for revealing the contents of a video connected to an alleged terrorist plot still to be aired in court.

    THERE are also concerns Mr Abbott’s description, under parliamentary privilege, of the recording as “monstrous extremism”, could have legal consequences and potentially prejudice any trial.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/pm-defends-terrorist-video-disclosure/story-e6frfku9-1227218038680

    Who was it that made this Fuckwit® a PM? >>>> The LIBERAL PARTY … cowards and weaklings …

  155. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:27 am

    “…She’d have a better reputation and more credibility if she hadn’t farmed out her own disabled daughter to be raised by another family…”

    How very piers of you!
    Her professional behaviour can be judged, not her private and personal actions at a distressing time. Much like condemning someone for having an abortion – not your right at all!

  156. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:28 am

    This isn’t about access. It is about a report into the conditions of detention.

    How do you reconcile that statement with Ms Branson’s?

    btw, you really are a fucking low life piece of dirt at times. Bringing up her daughter, that is fucking pathetic, yet true to form.

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:28 am

    Its always somebody else’s fault …

    Mr Abbott’s office defended his disclosures to parliament.

    “The prime minister quoted the translation with the prior consent of the commissioner of the AFP, Andrew Colvin,” a spokesman told AAP.

  158. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:29 am

    not your right at all!

    It’s every blue tie wearing wankers right apparently AO

  159. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:30 am

    the prior consent

    I can see the discussion now

    “You wanna keep ya fucken job, let me say wot I want!”

  160. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:37 am

    See here:

    Triggs explains: “… the doctors kept saying ‘Just leave her in the corner and she”ll die.’ So, it sounds terrible, but I’d look at Victoria and think ‘Well, you’re going to die, so I’m not going to invest too much in you.’ But she didn’t die. She had this inner rod of determination, and she simply refused to die.’

    Eventually Triggs took Victoria home and found a family who took over her primary care. When asked if this arrangement bothered her, she said: “Yes, because you have a child and you expect to look after her. But in the end I simply made the judgement that I would rather put my time into my other children and family, because I also never believed she would live to that age.”

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:37 am

    Mmmm … is it too early for popcorn?

  162. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:42 am

    Popcorn – I’m doing my best TB. It was getting boring agreeing with everyone!

  163. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:44 am

    “Ms Branson told The Australian she did not launch an official inquiry, “

    Branson and Triggs are both lying and they both have form.

    Triggs told a Senate committee that there were armed guards at Christmas Island. There are no armed guards at Christmas Island.

    Triggs is an immoral human being.

    And the way she treated her child is relevant. How you treat your closest is an insight into your moral conduct.

    Triggs is an immoral fraud.

  164. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:45 am

    popcorn doesn’t come close to whats required when someone sinks to the depths plunged by the splattered asshole

    What fucken right do you have to sit in judgement of of someone like that you ignorant, arrogant fuckwit!

    You know NOTHING of what transpired, yet choose to use it for mere political point scoring

    What is it with Right Wing FUCKWITS and their total lack of human values?

  165. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:46 am

    I think it’s reasonable to point out that Triggs –
    • Sat on her hands while the number of children in detention skyrocketed under an ALP government
    • Said she wouldn’t conduct an inquiry under the previous ALP government for political reasons

    It is reasonable to say that she is hardly a fearless defender to the rights of children in detention. Those that head inquiries and write the reports should have credibility, Triggs doesn’t have much.

  166. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:48 am

    nIl knows less, yet chooses to add his fraction of useless point to a disgusting debate.

    Simple, access was allowed, no inquiry was deemed necessary until access was refused, and sb and nIl are at the lowest point a human can get.

    So argue amongst your filthy selves or what is already apparent.

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:50 am

    Look, I have a share of the blame, having voted for the ALP in 2007.

    Mmmm … Kneel is a Dickhead your know?

    Blame? … both governments are/were at fault … our treatment of refugees and asylum seekers is barbaric … our assessment processes are pathetic if not incompetent …

    I vote and I don’t accept blame … I do feel ashamed – for Australia … that we have such arseholes running pretending to run the country …

  168. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:51 am

    “no inquiry was deemed necessary until access was refused

    Then why did Triggs say that she decided not to hold an inquiry for political reasons?

  169. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:58 am

    The faux outrage is charming Tom R.

    Trigg’s character was raised when KL praised her as a “good woman”. That deserved a response. I didn’t raise it till then.

    Besides, given her public pronouncements on children and their welfare the comment is material.

  170. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 11:22 am

    “…“The prime minister quoted the translation with the prior consent of the commissioner of the AFP, Andrew Colvin,” a spokesman told AAP…”

    Sure it was. The ALP seem to be extraordinarily chummy with lib party don’t they? Did Abbott have a nice chat and milo in his pj’s before he went to bed snug and warm in AFP coccoon/quarters.

    A very cosy relationship!

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    February 13, 2015 11:26 am

    Day Four of Good Government … good summary by Malcolm Farr

    The “good government starts today” had a quality of wishful thinking designed to quieten challenges to Mr Abbott authority. It had little to do with actual government.

    And it didn’t do much to eliminate those challenges.

    Mr Abbott had to fend off claims he wanted to replace Treasurer Hockey, and his chief of staff Peta Credlin, becoming increasingly snappy as he did so through the week.

    His tirade against the Humans Rights Commission also was unseemly and possibly an indicator of the week’s pressure on him.

    If there is to be another leadership spill motion it will come from an accumulation of missteps by Mr Abbott, and those missteps began this week.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/good-government-week-one-6-things-that-went-horribly-wrong/story-fncynjr2-1227218239449

  172. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 11:26 am

    That deserved a response.

    by ad-hominen

    Like I said, you have NO idea of the circumstances, but choose to use the phrase “farmed out”

    It has no bearing on her professional conduct. Yet you still raised it, with language that lent itself to feel as if the child was abandoned. You cannot defend the argument you have, as the timeline has shown that partisanship wasn’t a factor, so you go the personal attack.

    given her public pronouncements on children and their welfare the comment is material.

    How so? In what way did this “advance” the debate?

    Then why did Triggs say that she decided not to hold an inquiry for political reasons?

    Because in the shadow of an election, many decisions are held off, as in 6 months time, things could be different. It happens in many departments yomm. I thought someone with your alleged knowledge would be aware of that?

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    February 13, 2015 11:27 am

    The ALP seem to be extraordinarily chummy with lib party

    Freudian, KL … 🙂

  174. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 11:28 am

    Trigg’s character was raised when KL praised her as a “good woman”.

    Can you elaborate on how someone making the decision that supporting a severely handicapped child is beyond their ability (or for whatever reason) somehow doesn’t them a “good woman”?

    Hike ya’ blue tie up and go for it.

  175. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 13, 2015 11:42 am

    “Like I said, you have NO idea of the circumstances, but choose to use the phrase “farmed out””

    I used facts Trigg chose to put out there in the public domain in a puff piece with Fairfax. It is not as though I was using something she wished to remain confidential.

    Given her explanation, “farmed out” is a fairly neutral term. Triggs didn’t say her primary motivation was the best interests of the child. She said it was so she could divert her energies to her other children and family.

    “It has no bearing on her professional conduct. “

    I was responding to an assertion that she was a “good woman”. I quoted an incident, which Triggs had publicised, which was pertinent to that assertion.

    “How so?”

    Given her public responsibilities extend to the welfare and treatment of children, her private conduct in relation to her own children is material. It is like outing a public figure whose private life is inconsistent with their public persona. The extent of the inconsistency may be a matter of debate but I don’t see why I should not give my view.

  176. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 11:46 am

    but I don’t see why I should not give my view.

    Because you said it it somehow refuted the statement about her being a “good woman”, which in turn somehow impacts on her ability to perform her professional duties.

    You need to explain how, not just your “view”, which to be honest, means shit.

  177. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 11:51 am

    Freudian, KL …

    Scarily so, in light of the article AO put up about the ALP’s imminent implosion on metadata retention.

    Perhaps if they stop folding like a cheap deck chair anytime yabot goes the full monty on “death cults” he wouldn’t be so eager to do it next time?

  178. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 13, 2015 11:54 am

    How you treat you closest is important.

    Triggs farmed out her disabled child to someone else.

    Hawke got rid of Hazel when she was no longer needed.

    Keating got rid of Anita when she was no longer needed.

  179. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 13, 2015 11:58 am

    “the decision that supporting a severely handicapped child is beyond their ability “

    She didn’t say that. She said:

    I’d look at Victoria and think, ‘Well, you’re going to die, so I’m not going to invest too much in you.’

    Personally, I find that statement abhorrent.

  180. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 13, 2015 11:59 am

    How fearlessly you deal with the government is the critical issue.

    Triggs has a questionable track record.

  181. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 12:13 pm

    Personally, I find that statement abhorrent.

    Personally, I find that statement abhorrent, and you know why, because it is taking the revelation of a person explaining their inner turmoil and implying it was their position.

    It is fucking disgraceful to imply that, and you full well know it.

  182. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 12:14 pm

    Triggs has a questionable track record.

    How many years was Triggs commissioner while Labor were in power?

  183. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 12:20 pm

    Perhaps those relegating themselves to ad-hominen after failing to prosecute their case should read this, and reflect on the moral standards that blue ties appear to engender

    As shocking as her story and her method of telling it is, she deserves our empathy, not our judgment

    http://therebuttal2.com/2013/04/30/opinion/

  184. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 12:20 pm

    “…Trigg’s character was raised when KL praised her as a “good woman”. That deserved a response. I didn’t raise it till then…”

    And you didn’t need to raise it at all. Her choice may not have been yours but it doesn’t make her a bad person. Did she do anything illegal? Has she funded the care of the child or neglected her needs?

  185. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 12:25 pm

    Years ago kids were put in institutions if the parents wished. They were never considered the scum of the earth for it. Many of them were people of good education, character and employment.

    Their decision for their own reasons, no one else’s business.

  186. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 12:26 pm

    Did she do anything illegal? Has she funded the care of the child or neglected her needs?

    The blue ties refuse to address the core issue, preferring to make sniveling comments about “farming” out children, and leaving that hanging there, as their “proof”? that she is or is not a “good woman”

    it’s as fucking pathetic as it is disgusting.

  187. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 13, 2015 12:26 pm

    Obviously my view is different to yours. The only reason you are so het up about it is that you know many people would think that Triggs’ behaviour in relation to her daughter was not “good”.

    If Triggs wants to do a puff piece interview to burnish her reputation she can’t expect everyone to lap it up. I am entitled to my view and I’m pretty sure she would not expect everyone to agree with her.

    Contra Nietzsche we humans have not moved beyond good and evil. Such concepts are still relevant. Hence the assertion that Triggs was a “good” woman. I disagree with that interpretation and I gave my reasons. And you disagree with me. Good.

  188. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 13, 2015 12:26 pm

    “How many years was Triggs commissioner while Labor were in power?

    What? Triggs had well over a year to do something/anything. She said she didn’t take action under the ALP government for political reasons. That is partisan behaviour.

    She is hardly a fearless defender of the rights of children in detention.

  189. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 12:32 pm

    Obviously my view is different to yours.

    Obviously your “view” is different.

    Your “view” doesn’t change facts though.

    well over a year

    Just over 1 year, and, yes, she didn’t launch an inquiry then, in part for political reasons, but not for partisan political reasons. It was because an election was coming up. I did explain earlier before the blue ties went into meltdown on ad-hominem

  190. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 12:37 pm

    And many parents would still be putting kids in institutions now except they have forced them to care for their disabled at home to great personal, emotional and financial burden.

    There may be circumstances that you dont know about and no one knows how they will cope until faced with the same situation.

  191. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 12:39 pm

    and no one knows how they will cope until faced with the same situation.

    Unless you wear a blue tie, then you know how all people SHOULD act.
    fucken hypocrits

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    February 13, 2015 12:42 pm

    TR … I just read your link … with two kids and five g/kids I find Triggs comments very cold and calculating … having said that I believe that may be the sort of mind necessary to do the job she does …

    Children bring out emotions in people rather than objectivity …

    I’ve been called callous for terminating someone’s employment because they have a family to support … it’s never easy but I would not have been doing my job – nearly all had at least three warnings … (some immediate but that was for sexual harassment or stealing or disobeying a lawful instruction) … luckily not as often as it appears in 30 years as a line/staff manager …

    Emotions in reports fog the real issues … just as politicising or characterising the report writer(s) …

    When the report came out … who it was written by is really irrelevant …

    … locking children up is really un-Australian (a term I do not use lightly) … the dilemma is that children have adult parents … who have neither skills nor wealth to survive in a first world country … and arrive with no identification … nor records neither medical, personal or political …

    It took my own parents over six months to be assessed in the UK in 1960 to come here and both were WWII vets …

    The whole point is that we do need a bipartisan approach to this issue …

  193. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 12:44 pm

    The whole point is that we do need a bipartisan approach to this issue …

    I AGREE!

    Unfortunately, they only get bi-partisan on this issue now when it means treating people like shit.

    Labor have a loooong way to come back from. The libs, I don’t see them turning at all

  194. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 12:46 pm

    Because state sponsored physical and sexual abuse of children, treating them like Jews in the Holocaust is so “good” it needs defending.

  195. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 13, 2015 12:50 pm

    KL, I found those words “I’d look at Victoria and think, ‘Well, you’re going to die, so I’m not going to invest too much in you.’” utterly chilling.

    Anyway, what evidence to you have to support the view that she is “good”? Maybe we should leave that issue alone.

    The basic issue is that Triggs behaved in a way that you would expect a partisan political hack to behave – saying little while the ALP/Green coalition locked up 2,000 children and then hammering the Libs even though they have not added to the number and in fact got 1,650 out of detention.

    I have concerns about the treatment of children in detention but I would not believe that any report proffered by Triggs was reasonable or accurate.

  196. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 12:59 pm

    I can be objective. I can look at the report and the known facts without being prejudiced by partisan politics and guttersnipe personal attacks.

    No one has mentioned how unworthy of office tony Abbott is because he had a child of his (he thought) adopted out.

  197. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 13, 2015 1:22 pm

    Triggs said the report was 2 or 3 years late

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/child-detention-study-two-years-too-late-says-gillian-triggs/story-fn9hm1gu-1226817109064

    THE Australian Human Rights Commission should have considered an inquiry into asylum-seeker children in detention under the former Labor government when numbers were actually rising, the commission’s president has admitted.

    Gillian Triggs said she accepted criticism that the timing of the commission’s current inquiry, announced yesterday, was off by about “two or three years” — but blamed her predecessor and the election year for the delay.

  198. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 1:23 pm

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 13, 2015 1:24 pm

    The words of Triggs are certainly abhorrent to me.

    * I can’t be bothered looking after my child because they’re disabled and will die.

    Heavens!

  200. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 1:28 pm

  201. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 1:44 pm

    Maybe we should leave that issue alone.

    Perhaps you shouldn’t have sent the discussion into the (sorry reb) gutter

    saying little while the ALP/Green coalition locked up

    She was in hte job for just over one year. AND, Labor had a policy where the locations were open to them to examine the treatment of the Children.

    I can’t be bothered looking after my child because they’re disabled and will die.

    So, after sb runs, yomm sinks further. Ad-hominem AND misrepresentation (actually, that’s exactly what sb tried on)

  202. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 13, 2015 2:02 pm

    Hardly a misrepresentation, she said – “I’d look at Victoria and think, ‘Well, you’re going to die, so I’m not going to invest too much in you.’”

    She was a 38 year old worldly professional, it was the mid 80s. Not some 18 year old unmarried destitute in the 1940s.

  203. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 13, 2015 2:05 pm

    …and the critical element is that Triggs had well over a year to do something/anything about the detention of children under the ALP government, but chose not to for political reasons.

  204. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 2:06 pm

    Hardly a misrepresentation

    Except for the parts you misrepresented, sure.

    And, try some context, she was revealing her inner turmoil. Yet you misrepresent it as her position.

  205. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 2:08 pm

    but chose not to for political reasons.

    That “political” reason being an upcoming election. Like I said, political, but not partisan political, which you are implying.

    Unfortunately, much of what is done is political. It is if they are partisan which is the issue.

    Your comments are partisan, her actions were not.

  206. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 2:08 pm

    “…The words of Triggs are certainly abhorrent to me.

    * I can’t be bothered looking after my child because they’re disabled and will die….”

    Is that a direct quote?
    Did she say that?
    Or is that your judgement talking?

  207. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 13, 2015 2:09 pm

    “Imagine the calibre of human we’re talking about: “Kids are committing suicide and getting raped? “

    Yeah so lets hold off the enquiry until the Coalition is in power.

  208. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 2:13 pm

    Or is that your judgement talking?

    BAZINGA!

    Yeah so lets hold off the enquiry until the Coalition is in power.

    Because, as has been explained, laboriously, is that IF this was happening under Labor, the relevant people were able to see if it was or not. It was an open process. The libs closed it. Then cried about someone investigating them.

  209. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 2:15 pm

    When did Triggs say that and to whom?

  210. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 13, 2015 2:17 pm

    That “political” reason being an upcoming election.

    “upcoming”???

    Now you can remind me – what was the date of her appointment, and what was the date of the election???

    Her actions excused the ALP government from scrutiny, she neglected to get all concerned about children in detention for well over a year.

    Now she considers the issue important enough to call for a Royal Commission.

    What may be a series of fair recommendations are tainted by her partisan behaviour.

  211. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 2:27 pm

    I see that as the worst of bullying and intimidation.
    “If you don’t roll over and quit you job so that we can discredit the report, we are going to crucify you through every means possible”

  212. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 13, 2015 2:34 pm

    ‘Well, you’re going to die, so I’m not going to invest too much in you.’”

    Is a direct quote from a 38 year old worldly professional in the mid 1980s

  213. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 13, 2015 2:35 pm

    “Because, as has been explained, laboriously, is that IF this was happening under Labor, the relevant people were able to see if it was or not.

    So no suicides or rapes happened from 2007-2013?

    They only started from September 2013?

    Triggs herself stated the report was years late and her predecessor did nothing and she did nothing for one year because there was an election coming up.

  214. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 13, 2015 2:41 pm

    I’ll pop around and see my elderly mother tomorrow and tell her that she’s going to die soon so I’ll stop wasting my time on her.

    I’m sure she’ll understand

  215. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 13, 2015 2:46 pm

    “Her actions excused the ALP government from scrutiny, she neglected to get all concerned about children in detention for well over a year. “

    Only a partisan hack would do that.

    Tom R keeps rabbiting on about no need for an inquiry because “the commission was receiving appropriate information from the then Department of Immigration and Citizenship.”

    So if the HRC had access to all of the information and said nothing then it must have been happy with the way the ALP was keeping 2,000 kids in detention and decided not to raise the issue.

    But why then did Triggs say the timing of the study was off by 2 or 3 years? Her excuses that it was her predecessor or the impending elections what done it are completely inconsistent with the “no inquiry necessary” defence. But that won’t stop the true believers.

  216. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 13, 2015 3:01 pm

    “I’m sure she’ll understand”

    You shouldn’t be surprised at the attitudes of some people, ToM. Peter Singer, darling philosopher of progressives and co-author with Bob Brown of “The Greens” takes the view that:

    killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person. Very often it is not wrong at all.

    Oddly enough, not everyone appreciates his wisdom.

  217. February 13, 2015 3:05 pm

    Tom R: “Because, as has been explained, laboriously, is that IF this was happening under Labor, the relevant people were able to see if it was or not.”

    Splatter: “So if the HRC had access to all of the information and said nothing then it must have been happy with the way the ALP was keeping 2,000 kids in detention and decided not to raise the issue. ”

    Exactly. What could possibly have happened in the meantime to bring about such a change of heart?

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    February 13, 2015 3:07 pm

    What may be a series of fair recommendations are tainted by her partisan behaviour.

    Y’know not many of of the comments above are really concerned about the plight of the kids … just the plight of the commissioner and the politics they favour … get over it FFS!

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    The All Ords are up over 2% one massive rally (that’s 132.2 points!)

  219. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 3:15 pm

    “…I’ll pop around and see my elderly mother tomorrow and tell her that she’s going to die soon so I’ll stop wasting my time on her.

    I’m sure she’ll understand…”

    And what would that have to do with child sexual and physical assault and suicidal behaviour in detention centres?

    Fkn unblvable! How easily you people are distracted. You are a propagandists dream demographic.

  220. February 13, 2015 3:27 pm

    “The All Ords are up over 2% one massive rally (that’s 132.2 points!)”

    Must be all that good government.

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    February 13, 2015 3:40 pm

    LOL! @ ToSY …

    If governments think they really have anything much to do with economies they really do live in lalalalala-land …

    As I suspect you already know … I hope 😯

  222. February 13, 2015 4:12 pm

    l must say, it is interesting to see the bi-polar humanity on display (by the usual suspects), entirely unhinged that a couple of convicted drug-runners will be executed, while ignoring the 50-plus `others` due to be executed too. When a boat-children report says being imprisoned makes psychological damage, and cases of physical/sexual abuse may be occurring, witnessing violence is stressful etc, the usual suspects can`t do any better than ad-hom #triggs. Even tho the author triggs, belted both teams soundly over disgusting treatment of boat-children/people at the presser to `release` thew report, as did greens/sh-young and a few others. #teabags

  223. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 13, 2015 4:42 pm

    “Y’know not many of of the comments above are really concerned about the plight of the kids”

    And nobody cared about the kids until the Coalition got into power.

    “Even tho the author triggs, belted both teams soundly over disgusting treatment

    The Coalition is releasing them from 2,000 under Labor to under 200. It Labor was still in power there would be 4,000 kids locked up.

    From 2007-2013 all Labor did was lock up more and more people. And if re-elected in 2013 would have continued the practise. A leopard cannot change its spots

  224. February 13, 2015 4:54 pm

    your `team` of cruel cnuts is better than `their` team of cruel cnuts #yay.team

  225. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 13, 2015 5:00 pm

    your `team` of cruel cnuts is better than `their` team of cruel cnuts #yay.team

    Absolutely.

    And until someone has a better idea i will continue to say that.

  226. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 5:06 pm

    “…Oddly enough, not everyone appreciates his wisdom…”

    Oddly enough, these are debates in the medical community.
    What about the cost of keeping very premmy babies alive? And the ongoing costs of their medical needs throughout life? Are those costs justified when there are so many other areas in public health that go begging?

    Why can’t we let people die anymore?

    These are valid debates.

  227. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 5:17 pm

    “…And nobody cared about the kids until the Coalition got into power…”

    Fuck off neil, if you bothered to debate issues rather than troll, you would know that statement is untrue. Stop putting your words in other peoples mouths. Stop making shit up.

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 13, 2015 5:26 pm

    Stop putting your words in other peoples mouths. 
    He’s not on his own

  229. TB Queensland permalink
    February 13, 2015 5:27 pm

    These are valid debates.

    Agree …

    Stop making shit up.

    Agree …

  230. TB Queensland permalink
    February 13, 2015 5:28 pm

    He’s not on his own

    Well you should stop doing it too then … 😆

  231. Team Pink Ties permalink
    February 13, 2015 6:26 pm

    she neglected to get all concerned about children in detention for well over a year.

    Now she considers the issue important enough to call for a Royal Commission.

    What may be a series of fair recommendations are tainted by her partisan behaviour.

    Team blue tie should read more widely.

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/asylum-seekers-refugees-and-human-rights-snapshot-report

    In particular section 2.2 Children in detention
    There are particular challenges relating to the situation of children in immigration detention. The Commission has repeatedly raised concerns about the mandatory detention of children, the number of children in immigration detention and the prolonged periods for which some children are detained.41 As at 5 September 2013, there were 1,428 children in closed immigration detention.42 The average age of children in closed detention facilities was 10 years old

  232. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 13, 2015 6:33 pm

    “These are valid debates.”

    Agree completely.

    “Why can’t we let people die anymore?”

    Good question. When my time comes I hope they let me die in peace, with some classy pain relief if required. I have real trouble with the idea of actually killing people a la Peter Singer but I also have trouble with using extraordinary means to keep people alive when there is practically no hope of any sentient existence thereafter.

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    February 13, 2015 6:42 pm

    Day Four of Good Governmnet (nicked from the other fred) …

    Now poor old Phillip Ruddock gets necked. If this keeps up, Abbott will soon be staging neo-Stalinist show trials with faked confessions…

    Not so sure about “poor old Peter” … more like “old zombie Pete” …

  234. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 7:21 pm

    I’ll pop around and see my elderly mother tomorrow and tell her that she’s going to die soon so I’ll stop wasting my time on her.

    I’m sure that should the time comes and you are required to provide fulltime support for your elderly mother you might have a period where you question yourself and say to yourself “I cannot invest too much time now, considering I have others needing my attention too” (assuming you do) as you struggle with the decision of what to do.

    A far cry from “couldn’t be bothered”. I’m sure you’ll understand 😉

    then it must have been happy with the way the ALP was keeping 2,000 kids in detention and decided not to raise the issue.

    No one said they were happy, just that an inquiry wasn’t equired as case by case issues were being dealt with, under the constant gaze and reminder of the media.

    What could possibly have happened in the meantime to bring about such a change of heart?

    Let me think. Could it be that access to centers were denied and that reports of abuse began filtering out?

    You know, “in the meantime” 😯

    He’s not on his own

    ROFL … wait :shock:. King of the “couldn’t be bothered” …. ROFL

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/11/good-government-started-the-day-before-yesterday/#comment-95394

  235. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 13, 2015 7:29 pm

    When my time comes I hope they let me die in peace, with some classy pain relief if required.

    me too sb, and I want a time of my choosing, when I decide I’ve had enough.

    Case against Abbott Government builds at The Hague:
    http://www.andrewwilkie.org/content/index.php/awmp/home_news_extended/case_against_abbott_government_builds_at_the_hague#.VNz_tTo2ExU.twitter-Perhaps

    [long cut & paste, scroll on by if you like – paywall]
    Crikey says: attacking Gillian Triggs shameful and low:
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/02/13/crikey-says-attacking-gillian-triggs-shameful-and-low/

    …The head of the Australian Human Rights Commission, Gillian Triggs, has been declared an enemy by the Abbott government and its diminished and demoralised supporters at News Corp.

    This co-ordinated assault on Triggs has one purpose only: to crush critical thinking, truth-telling and dissent, by isolating a prominent figure and applying a force of enormously destructive power to her or him. It works because collectively we can be slow to recognise its occurrence — and for murkier reasons, a sense of relief that someone else is getting it, not us.

    This morning, the campaign hit a new low with Piers Akerman’s attack on Triggs for the arrangements she made to care for her severely disabled child — this is not merely an attack on Triggs the public figure, but an attempt to wound her personally.

    Well, it cannot be allowed to happen this time.

    Triggs has put on the agenda the torture of children by Australian governments of both parties. The Coalition and News Corp want to use Triggs as a case of exemplary punishment, to send the message to public officials across the country that demonisation can and will happen to anyone who does their job in a way that is perceived as threatening to the government.

    This campaign of personal vilification of her by the most powerful elements of Australian political culture must be highlighted and defeated, even as the torture, sexual assault and neglect of children in the care of Australia must be addressed…

  236. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 13, 2015 7:36 pm

    “Let me think. Could it be that access to centers were denied and that reports of abuse began filtering out?”

    Could it be that is a load of crap?

    Triggs never said that. Triggs said her predecessor did nothing and she did nothing because there was an election coming up. Her predecessor may have said something like that but maybe she was lying?

    So rapes and murders only started in September 2013?

    You are total slime TomR.

    How you can justify what Labor did is beyond me.

  237. February 13, 2015 8:23 pm

    ””””The head of the Australian Human Rights Commission, Gillian Triggs, has been declared an enemy by the Abbott government and its diminished and demoralised supporters at News Corp. This co-ordinated assault on Triggs has one purpose only: to crush critical thinking, truth-telling and dissent””””

    #kind of says it all really armchair, with that small paragraph of what limited-news and team-imbecile are doing, tells us where the unethical stand.

  238. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 10:33 pm

    This morning, the campaign hit a new low with Piers Akerman’s attack on Triggs for the arrangements she made to care for her severely disabled child

    Wow, now I see what you mean when you called sb piers AO. Bad enough a blogger in a backwater blog, but in the major msm? They have no fucken moral ground let really, do they. And yes, that is their game. We saw it today here. Any talk of the actual report lost in an descent into maelstrom. Again, in a backwater blog, it doesn’t really matter, but in a majore newspaper attempting to pervert debate with lies and slander.

    And then murdor has the fucken ballls to whinge with shit like this. You wonder why we end up with a country so fucked? Don’t blame yabot, he’s just a bit player. The source of our troubles lie behind him. I put this up on hte other thread, but it has become quite pertinent here I think.

  239. February 13, 2015 11:06 pm

    My heart sinks reading some of the comments in this thread…as far as I am concerned this is an apolitical disgrace that has been used for political football by partisan Barrackers on both sides.. A real race to the bottom…
    .
    Who did the worst?..who’s at fault?
    Simple…They are all guilty as fuck.. its our national shame…
    Anyone who thinks Morrison is a hero should take a good hard look at themselves…

    Nil this just confirms you are a nasty little cunt…You want to hope you never have the misfortune to meet me in the flesh sunshine, you’re an abdominal disgrace.who would never have the intestinal fortitude to repeat such vindictive bile outside the safety of an anonymous blog….

    Stop the boats?
    The term “shoot the messenger” comes to mind…

    This government has to go.. an abject failure, dysfunctional and incapible of governing for all Australians.. At least Howard attempted to.

  240. Tom R permalink
    February 13, 2015 11:14 pm

    partisan Barrackers on both sides

    Care to highlight from the side I play on Ricky?

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2015 12:00 am

    “Care to highlight from the side I play on Ricky?

    The partisan, self interested, trolling (but possibly humorous) side, possibly.

    Apparently

  242. February 14, 2015 12:12 am

    Care to highlight from the side I play on Ricky?

    Well the side of compassion I would hope…

    Tom R your point is clear and we agree on many aspects of this mess as do most people with any semblance of humanity…my point..is both parties are equally as guilty on this issue…gutless cunts like Nils on their moral high horse make me sick

    I’m sure you know where I stand on this issue, and I reiterate, its a national disgrace that has no easy answer…Its geographical, economic, cultural, geopolitical, logistical, criminal all rolled into the a three word slogan…both parties have no traction on this one I’m afraid and the left of the Labor party has been alimented on this issue and equally on CSG to pander for self interest.

    This shoot the messenger and character assassination of Professor Trigs is just typical immoral Fiberal tactics…Morrison should be congratulated says Abbott….fuck me, good government right?

    The boats have not stopped any more than the rhetoric and lies….

  243. February 14, 2015 12:28 am

    In my humble opinion, Andrew Bolt is much more credible in person (on TV at least, on a spot he’s not convening at least) than he comes across in print.

    Kudos for his measured, reasonable responses to the (in my humble opinion) quasi-hostile (he has a long running history of rubbishing Waleed Aly, for one) ‘panel’.
    He has far more nous in front of the camera than Abbott, apparently. Does he also behave this way on The Oreilly Factor Bolt Report?…I have an uneasy feeling that wouldn’t ‘work’ for his demographic; I’m thinking more talking over opposing ‘guests’ & being strident, like his ‘columns’.

    Still, credit where it’s due.

    https://amp.twimg.com/v/84992dfb-0d5a-4228-b424-1335daadb8eb

  244. February 14, 2015 12:36 am

    “Fuck off neil, if you bothered to debate issues rather than troll, you would know that statement is untrue. Stop putting your words in other peoples mouths.”

    Strongly Agree

    Even in my absence, Neil persists in naming me as a part of his backwardsarsed nomenclature. I can only conclude he is actually purely trolling to get a rise out of me; mainly because the points he’s attempting to make on the back of my name are monocular, dubious & generally no more than partisan arsehattery.

  245. February 14, 2015 12:45 am

    On the record.

    I abhor AbbottCorp.’s carry on about the HRC.

    It’s patently obvious that such an institution goes against its grain & it wants to disband it, currently released report or not.
    They’re seeing leftist puppet masters under the bed again; as is their penchant.

    More fool them, says I.

  246. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 14, 2015 6:56 am

    Speaking of playing politics- that is my opinion of all Labor supporters do.

    If Labor won the 2013 election there would still be 2,000 kids locked up.

    Labor supporters use asylum seekers for political use. However they found out when in power it is a difficult issue.

    Unless we are willing to take all 40 million refugees we have to have a quota system.

    Until i see better, Howards Pacific Solution was OK and Labor does not have a better solution.

  247. February 14, 2015 7:37 am

    Nils is not only an irreverently vindictive immoral cunt, he is obviously completely illiterate and brain dead… have a look at that comment…. must have repeated that shit a thousand times… Reb wipe this dirt ass, not interested in discourse…make him go and pay for therapy….

  248. February 14, 2015 8:16 am

    “”make him go and pay for therapy….””

    It’s funny you should mention that.

  249. February 14, 2015 9:44 am

    It’s funny you should mention that.

  250. Tom R permalink
    February 14, 2015 10:34 am

    Don’t feed the trolls

    What about trolls who use a sick attack on a persons personal life in order to cloud debate and basically ad-hom a person. I’ll admit, m initial response was just outrage (feigned or otherwise)

    But, considering ltdnews is pushing this shit in order to do just what the trolls yesterday did, what can you do.

    You cannot ignore them. They are load and pervasive. Ignoring the sheets of shit doesn’t make it go away. Once the likes of sb has ad-homed(?) the likes of Griggs, and to the extent they have, it BECOMES part of the debate.

    imo, exposing these attacks for the cowardly diversions they are only strengthens the statement made by those being attacked. We now know that ltdnews and their cronies are scared witless of Griggs and her report. Their reaction only proves it. And, the exposure of their gutless personal slanderings just weakens any further defense they might attempt to mount.

    It is clear that Griggs has acted professionally and without bias, and has attempted to explain that only to be misrepresented time and again by murdor.

    It would be great if we could just have a debate on the central issue. But ignoring these ‘trolls’ like akerman etal will not make their abhorrent claims go away.

    It is the price we pay for having a monopoly media intent on stifling debate rather than furthering it.

  251. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 14, 2015 10:55 am

    I agree with larry Pickering

    https://pickeringpost.com/story/-just-leave-her-in-the-corner-and-she-ll-die-/4531

    Without a good supply of Mylanta handy it’s difficult to write about a politically biased woman using innocent children in detention to further her own vile agenda. Abbott’s unprecedented rage over this despicable Human Rights Commissioner is fully justified and the ABC’s defence of her is to be expected.

    Labor does this all the time. It uses the poor, needy, children in detention and whatever for political purposes.

    The ALP is a vile and immoral political party that does nothing but destroy the lives of people.

    In a burst of moral vanity Rudd abolished the Pacific Solution and created all this trouble.

  252. February 14, 2015 11:18 am

    ””””In my humble opinion, Andrew Bolt is much more credible in person””””’

    + 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

  253. February 14, 2015 11:27 am

    ””””””’The Independent Member for Denison, Andrew Wilkie, and human rights advocate and lawyer Greg Barns have taken the next step in their formal request for the Prosecutor at the International Criminal Court (ICC) to investigate crimes against asylum seekers by members of the Abbott Government.

    http://www.andrewwilkie.org/content/index.php/awmp/home_news_extended/case_against_abbott_government_builds_at_the_hague

    ”””””””””””””””””’

    ””””””””In October last year Mr Wilkie requested the Prosecutor at the ICC initiate an investigation, in accordance with Article 15(1) of the Rome Statute. In the latest development Mr Wilkie has provided the Prosecutor with a comprehensive brief on this matter.””””””””

    ””””””””’Mr Wilkie said the damning report from the Human Rights Commissioner, Gillian Triggs, tabled in the Senate last night calling for a Royal Commission into children in detention just added more weight to his request for an investigation.

    ”Article 7 of the Rome Statute defines ‘crimes against humanity’ to mean acts such as deportation, imprisonment or other severe deprivation of liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law, and torture and other similar acts that are committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population,” Mr Wilkie said.

    ”Actions such as forced transfers to other countries, detention without trial, detention of children and conditions of detention clearly constitute breaches of Article 7.

    ”The actions of the Prime Minister and members of his Government against asylum seekers are criminal and I remain hopeful that the Prosecutor will initiate a proprio motu investigation.””””””””””””’

    #go.wilkie

  254. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 14, 2015 11:30 am

    Anyone who reads larry pickering’s porn and bile needs to have their brain washed out and their eyes skewered.

  255. TB Queensland permalink
    February 14, 2015 11:37 am

    KL, they wouldn’t have the former so the latter would be unnecessary …

    I do agree tho’ …

    (I was going to say “I get your point” but that might have been misconskewered) 🙂

  256. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 14, 2015 11:40 am

  257. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 14, 2015 12:05 pm

    “Anyone who reads larry pickering’s porn and bile needs to have their brain washed out and their eyes skewered.

    Too bad what Pickering says is true.

    Triggs is a vile women. And therefore i know which party she votes for. Vile people vote for vile parties.

    All these men, women and children were locked up under Rudd/Gillard/Greens.

    Its funny, the Greens locked up more children than any govt in Australian history

  258. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 14, 2015 12:09 pm

    Joe Hockey: 19 points behind ‘Don’t Know’
    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2015/02/14/joe-hockey-19-points-behind-dont-know/14238324001486#.VN6dcebQqSo

    …While leaked government speakers’ notes advise Labor should be blamed for the worst budget mess in history, the facts are very different. He has been hit by massive revenue write-downs he himself did not forecast in his budget or midyear review. A total of $56 billion failed to materialise in the 10 months since the budget. This is the same horrible reality he refused to acknowledge contributed to his predecessor’s problems. But Hockey himself has been the architect of much of the fiscal fix he’s in. Unasked, he handed over to the Reserve Bank $9 billion. Then he’s handed back $12 billion in tax revenue to wealthy retirees and big mining and power companies. He’s now promising to give companies running small businesses a tax cut. He is refusing to dip into the $27 billion available by being less generous with superannuation tax concessions…

  259. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 14, 2015 1:25 pm

  260. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 14, 2015 1:29 pm

  261. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 14, 2015 1:31 pm

  262. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 14, 2015 1:33 pm

  263. February 14, 2015 3:16 pm

  264. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 14, 2015 4:09 pm

    I will say it again because everybody missed it.

    Bob Brown, Sarah hanson-young/ Greens supporters/ALP locked up more children than any govt in Australian history.

    The first thing Triggs should have done in July 2012 is hold an enquiry into why The Greens/ALP locked up so many people.

    But Triggs was playing politics. Triggs waited until the Coalition was in power.

  265. February 14, 2015 4:13 pm

    you might have noticed there was/is a tweeter @PigsAkerman armchair, no surprise another so-called conservative is a drug-addled, sexist bully and rupert likes him. Speaks volumes. #teabags

    +

    Likewise, there is usually foxtard bleating when a repug is caught engaging in homosexual sex in airport dunnys, and similar, the limited-news machinery is such a hypocritical outfit.

  266. February 14, 2015 4:23 pm

    l notice that cunt gina is trying to interfere with network-9`s hancock series.

  267. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 14, 2015 4:50 pm

    No one missed it we’re just ignoring it. The report criticises both sides you know.
    The report has been called accurate by none other than the oz’s attack opinioniser sharri markson. No one has a criticism about the contents of the report, it’s bad.

    Abbott’s mob would rather attack any public official who dares to scrutinise and criticise their operations and policies.

    Labor is criticised too, are they attacking the commissions findings or worse, the commissioner herself?

  268. February 14, 2015 8:00 pm

    What about trolls who use a sick attack on a persons personal life

    Well here is your answer to that….

    *I agree with larry Pickering
    *Too bad what Pickering says is true.
    *Triggs is a vile women. And therefore i know which party she votes for.
    *Vile people vote for vile parties.

    How can you reason with someone who follows the loathsome bile of that cockroach Pickering? Does that not go to to an illustrative character descriptor of the type of immorality you are trying to reason with?

    The guy is unhinged.. The Greens to their credit have been the only sane voice in the whole debate, vehemently opposed to offshore processing, a point lost on this fucking lowlife…

    Don’t worry too much mate I feel that judging by Rebs earlier comment Nil and his disgraceful repetitive vomit will be a temporary problem….

  269. February 14, 2015 8:14 pm

    I will say it again because everybody missed it.

    Fuck off asshole

  270. February 14, 2015 8:27 pm

    Piers Ackerman posturing and moralising, lecturing people on morality is fucking rich…what a cunt…

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2001/08/26/sunday-age-akerman-profile-and-nudist-mp-attacks/

    Morrison suffers from the same delusions as Abbott and Hockey. He, like them, forgets he’s in government and the acid test is on all of them.

    They can’t keep scoffing at Labor for failing to deliver surpluses and going deeper into debt when that’s exactly what they are doing and will be doing for the foreseeable future.

    Not one economist sees the May budget doing anything else but pushing out a return to surplus beyond this term of government.

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2015/02/14/joe-hockey-19-points-behind-dont-know/14238324001486#.VN8RHOaUd8F

  271. February 14, 2015 9:16 pm

    hey teabags, good thing we are nothing like teh-usa

    http://www.people.com/article/parents-kristiana-coignard-speak-out-fatally-shot

  272. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 14, 2015 10:06 pm

    http://johnquiggin.com/2015/02/13/tax-dodgers-project-alarming-revenue-shortfall-newscorpfail/

    “…The same issues are regularly examined by the Commonwealth Treasury in its Intergenerational Report. The 2015 report was legally required to be published on 3 February but has not appeared. Now instead of the IGR, the government’s media arm comes out with this piece of tripe. Was the IGR not alarmist enough for Hockey?

    Update My point about the IGR was pure conjecture when I wrote it. But on TV last night I saw Hockey pushing the PwC “report” (still vaporware, AFAICT), even though he is supposedly too busy to fulfil his legal obligation to release the IGR…”

  273. February 14, 2015 11:54 pm

    so team-cheerers that mock `colored` packets, and team-nanny-roxon photoshop finger-painters,

    +

    ””””””””’The shop does a roaring trade. It’s terrible stuff but the punters can’t resist the price. He’ll sell 50 packs a day and make a fortune.”

    Industry experts say the traders in Newington are ”the tip of the iceberg”, buying tobacco from gangs of smugglers for around £4 a pack. The mark-up is far higher than with real tobacco.

    A tobacco industry source said: ”Dozens of shops sell counterfeit tobacco in Edinburgh. Organised crime gangs are behind this.”

    A police spokeswoman said: ”Police Scotland continues to support Trading Standards and HMRC in tackling the sale of counterfeit cigarettes.”

    It is estimated smuggled cigarettes have cost the Treasury £34billion over the past decade.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fake-tobacco-sale-just-yards-5045401

    ””””””””””””””’

  274. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 15, 2015 10:05 am

    #gotobaccoindustry!

  275. February 15, 2015 10:08 am

    * Industry experts say the…..
    * A tobacco industry source said:…..
    * It is estimated….

    What a genius…congratulations 🙄

  276. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 15, 2015 10:09 am

    I’m sure I speak for everyone.

    We really miss the good old days when cigarettes could be accurately portrayed!!

  277. February 15, 2015 10:14 am

    * Industry experts say the…..
    * A tobacco industry source said:…..
    * It is estimated….

    What a genius…congratulations 🙄

    #gotobaccoindustry!

    I always turn to the mirror for the facts Tom their advertising rate card is very competitive with a similar circulation amongst the patently stupid ust like the terrorgraph 🙂

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2015 10:32 am

    Day Six of Good Government …

    Well, I’m beginning to understand now just who IS running the country … or trying to …

    PRIME Minister Tony Abbott and his powerful chief of staff Peta Credlin brushed aside deep concerns within Cabinet’s Budget razor gang that a six-month waiting period for school leavers to claim the dole was “too harsh’’.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/peta-credlins-power-trip-over-dole-policy/story-fncynjr2-1227220063210

    Just looking at Credlin, I know I would would clash with her … the set of the mouth and the eyes …

    Cronyism at its best …

  279. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2015 11:15 am

    Wow commonsensebagger, that’s in the same league of AGW denialists claiming that the world has always warmed.

    You’re getting into rarified territory now. Go for another walk and get a re-count is my recommendation, cos I think you’ve hit peak stupid.

  280. February 15, 2015 11:22 am

    ””””””’TRIAD gangsters are flooding Scotland with tons of illegal tobacco – in tens of thousands of parcels from China.

    The trade is worth more than £10million a year to the Chinese crooks and cheats the taxman out of millions in duty.””””””

    +later .. ..

    ”””””Joe Hendry, a senior investigator at HMRC, admitted: ”We’re awash with it. We’re seizing about half of what’s being brought in.

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/revealed-triads-raking-in-10m-as-they-flood-1382863

    ”””””””””””””””””

    #gotobaccoindustry! #go.team.nanny.roxon #go.ignorance #as.usual

    #of.course.it`s.not.going.on.here

  281. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2015 11:40 am

    #of.course.it`s.not.going.on.here

    Of course it’s “ALWAYS” gone on here. Just like the climate has always changed

    You numpty fucken idiot.

    The plain packaging is not aimed at people who are buying illegal tobacco. One would have thought the price signals would have moved them away already.

    Try to think, instead of just react.

  282. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 15, 2015 11:49 am

    Why oh why doesn’t nanny roxon allow our celebrities and statesmen (and stateswomen) to freely endorse the products they sincerely enjoy?

  283. February 15, 2015 11:49 am

    (hypothetically team-cheering-denier, hypothetically discovered recently, hypothetically under two years ago, hypothetical `colorful` packs, hypothetically priced, hypothetically 3-for-1, from hypothetical `off-line` source, hypothetically, that is) #yay.team

  284. February 15, 2015 11:55 am

    ””””’the price signals would have moved them away already”””””

    #which.has.always.been.part.of.my.argument

    #wonder.where.they.`moved`.to

  285. February 15, 2015 12:01 pm

    I am so utterly uninterested in your paid for tabloid big tobacco propaganda yawnfest … That ship has sailed..enjoy vivid pictures of the reality of your trip to the mortuary via a hospital ward as opposed to the Nordic fjords via the open plains of Arizona depicted by criminally negligent and immoral lying corporate skidmarks..

    thread relevance police arrest that man.

    Priceless stuff as the #abbottmovie twitter handle goes off..

  286. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 15, 2015 12:03 pm

    #yay.team

    So true. Since people like nanny Roxon have been in charge our teams have struggled without the generosity of those altruistic tobacco companies!!

    #yay.tobacco!

  287. February 15, 2015 12:14 pm

    These guys are off the scale funny

  288. February 15, 2015 12:38 pm

    tb””””would clash with her .. the set of the mouth and the eyes””””#guffaw

    ”””””””senior ministers have revealed Ms Credlin pushed hard for the six-month waiting period, stunning observers by citing the example of her late father Len, a farmer, and others of his generation, who did not have access to the welfare `largesse` of today when they encountered difficulties””””””

    #l find it quite sick/perverted how often language like `largesse` is used among the political-teabag-media-class, such as referring to less than 300-bucks/week as `largess` in so-called `modern` Aust. They were all more than happy to receive said `largesse` in various forms(#uni), as they climbed their way thru society ranks, and now demand it is torn down so that other fellow citizens can`t follow them.

    #the blame for having the amazon-chief in cabnet meetings and in `committees` belongs with mr-rabbit, who should be instructing her what to not/attend.

  289. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2015 12:51 pm

    #which.has.always.been.part.of.my.argument

    If it was, you have completely ignored other comments explaining to you the aim of the plain packaging legislation.

    I’m going with ignoring, because you’re too busy typing your next nihilist screed before doing anything resembling analytical thinking

  290. February 15, 2015 1:23 pm

    “Nanny Roxon”

    I couldn’t agree more!!

    While lowering the number of people smoking, or reducing the number of people taking up the habit, may have seemed like a good idea at the time, all these so-called “plain packs” have achieved has been to effectively removed the glamour and sophistication of an otherwise harmless and fun filled pastime enjoyed by many thousands of Australians.

    Let’s face it, a life of adventure and excitement is simply beyond the reach of many people, and as a young twenty something I for one discovered that the crisp, clean mountain air one gets when skiing in Aspen, or the thrill of the ocean breeze while sailing in the Caribbean could easily be found in a ten dollar pack of Alpine Menthols.

    It’s just so typical of the Labor “party” to take the party out of everything for the sake of satisfying their Greenie sympathising left wing credentials.

    Left unchecked I have no doubts that Roxon would’ve gone even further – possibly even adding toxic chemicals into cigarettes just to make them seem even more unpalatable..

    IT’S A DISGRACE….!!

  291. February 15, 2015 1:28 pm

    ”””””””ignored other comments explaining to you the aim of the plain packaging legislation””””

    #Wrong. l was well ahead of both Limited-news and team-nanny-roxon, and did understand what was/is going on. Go back and read `my` comments, on the original thread, you will find you probably got sucked in by you-know-who claiming `bagz said this` and `bagz said that`, which was bullshit, and will nearly always mean you get handed your arse.

    #You also fell for this on the `auto` thread too, l made many comments which included the word `boardroom`, but somehow you only saw `worker` and started bleating.

  292. February 15, 2015 1:38 pm

    `bagz said this` and `bagz said that`

    #verballingbagz

    It’s just not right.

  293. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 15, 2015 1:39 pm

    And why should the enjoyment of smoking be confined to older people?

    Youth should be encouraged to enjoy the pleasure too!

    Nanny Roxon just doesn’t seem to get it.

    #lungcancerreallyinstthatbad

  294. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2015 1:52 pm

    #verballingbagz

    Yes, bagz should stop verbawling itself

    Please bagz, explain how the presence of illegal smokes renders Nanny McRoxons plain packaging laws moot. In Eenglish would be preferable.

    Remember, the aim was to stop the take up of Smoking amongst younger people due to the flashy packaging reminiscent of those ads yomm is handily putting up.

    Please … Explain 🙂

  295. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 15, 2015 2:06 pm

    And that’s it isn’t it? Who cares where they go or what happens to them, as long as they don’t come here.

    Samantha Maiden: No chance Liberal anger at PM Tony Abbott will ever Peta out:
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/samantha-maiden-no-chance-liberal-anger-at-pm-tony-abbott-will-ever-peta-out/story-fni0cwl5-1227219846705?nk=3ec03772fe2add520a737cdd789ad84e

    …Credlin has been a huge flashpoint. But it for now, it appears that the Prime Minister has decided he needs her now more than ever.

    “There can be no government without her. She is the government,’’ explains a Liberal MP bitterly.

    In the minds of Coalition MPs she remains the nation’s first, female, Liberal Prime Minister — unelected, mind you — that we never knew we had…

  296. February 15, 2015 2:10 pm

    #balls2bagzoring

    ROTFL BTW Rebs…

    Plus when all those backy barons diversify into hospitals and expensive Phara where will they get all their ready made clients….

  297. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 15, 2015 2:14 pm

    I don’t even know why there is an argument about tobacco, it’s a killer and it should be illegal, or at the least, only available on prescription.

    The only people who want it to exist are those who profit from it, but they don’t pay for the medical costs of the people addicted to the stuff though do they? I argue that they should be held legally and financially responsible for health costs of their product, the enormous public health costs should not be socialised to the taxpayers.

  298. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2015 2:25 pm

    I don’t even know why there is an argument about tobacco

    Cos teambaggerz bagz teams. It’s just wot it does, no reason nor rhyme

  299. February 15, 2015 3:02 pm

    When this topic was raised, Limited-news produced a cart-load of horse-shit smacking nanny roxon, and of course, team-nanny-roxon took the 180-degree opposing point, which too, is crap

    ”””””Nanny McRoxons plain packaging laws”””””

    after just one-year, team-nanny-roxon were singing praises, claiming `falling-sales` equals `military-grade` packaging victory

    l Said, 1. bullshit, too early to tell

    2. with 20/20 hindsight, in 20-or-30 years, sure, military grade packaging will be able to `claim` some low, single figure percentage of `quit/never-started` success, 1%, 2%, 3%,etc

    Team-nanny-roxon also argued the `big` achievement military grade packs are/were

    l said, 3. it was small, if nanny-roxon had of outlawed a couple of thousand of the carcinagens too, that would be `big`

  300. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2015 3:21 pm

    Day Six of Good Governmnet and The Mad Monk cassockfronts Indoneisa …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Noice to see TGT sarc alive and well!

  301. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 15, 2015 3:28 pm

    #goteambagstobacco!

    It’s so fresh to inhale tobacco, and almost good for you!!


    ———–
    Yes reb, I don’t think I can holiday in the Caribbean this year, so I’ll just have some smokes instead!

  302. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2015 3:37 pm

    ToM, how I remember those fkn ads … I threw my last fag out of the window of my Bongo Van 🙂 heading over the Haughton Highway … I was 32 … The Minister quit the same day …

  303. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2015 3:42 pm

    Day Six of Good Government … 360 days after this …

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-abbott-government-after-fifty-days,5878

    WHAT THE FUCK HAS CHANGED???????

  304. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2015 3:42 pm

    claiming `falling-sales` equals `military-grade` packaging victory

    You’ll have to highlight those comments brainbagger, as the argument , from NannyMcRoxon “cheersquad”,was always that it was too early to tell, even thought ltdnews claimed to have (industry supplied) figures that proved it wasn’t working.

    While you are highlighting those comments, you could also answer my question above, instead of carping on with bullshit about what was or wasnt’ ( 🙂 ) said

    l Said, 1. bullshit, too early to tell

    So, what was your “counting packets” sojurn all about? Just spinning shit to confuse the issue?

    Please bagz, explain how the presence of illegal smokes renders Nanny McRoxons plain packaging laws moot. In Eenglish would be preferable.

    Sooner than later if at all possible.

  305. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2015 3:45 pm

    WHAT THE FUCK HAS CHANGED???????

    Our debt is bigger

    Our unemployment is higher

    We no longer have an manufacturing sector.

    Aboriginal services have been cut.

    International corporations are paying less tax

    Actually, local corporations are paying less tax

    The average joe is paying more tax to try and cover for the above two

    Actually TB, when you think about it, quite a lot has changed 😉

  306. February 15, 2015 4:08 pm

    ””””illegal smokes renders Nanny McRoxons plain packaging””””

    Nanny-roxon`s tax hikes, along with `others` tax hikes will push more consumers from white-market, to black-market.

    +

    l notice armchairs bleating `illegal`, yeah, that`ll work, just like 40-year war-on-drugs worked and al-capones `prohibition` worked. Perhaps, if other `street-drugs` were `legalized` and `controlled-properly`, we might not have ambo`s jump-starting the same junkies with `narcan` 3-or-4 times a shift, and we mightn`t have 7-donkeys in cold-storage and 2-donkeys on `death-row`, but hey, lets not face all issues comprehensively with fresh ideas, and stick to old favorites that work.:-)

  307. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 15, 2015 4:55 pm

    In response to an assertion that Triggs was a “good” woman I used statements she put on the public record as evidence to the contrary. And then the stinking hypocrites come out wailing about the nastiness and illegitimacy of “personal attacks”. They’d have a little more credibility if they’d spoken up on other occasions, say like when the mewling morons were using a letter from her dad to attack Rinehart as a slothful devious baby elephant.

  308. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 15, 2015 4:58 pm

    If @GillianTriggs should resign due to alleged partisanship why was she told: “some other opportunity” would be available if she resigned?”

    Probably because something more in keeping with her talents has arisen like Bill Shorten’s personal arse-wiper. Anyway, she shouldn’t be worried about being unemployed. In this politically correct age there are plenty of jobs for professional finger-waggers.

  309. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 15, 2015 5:07 pm

    “All this “saving lives at sea” crap re stopping the boats. No less refugees out there, they just drown/die going somewhere else instead.”

    Dumb comment, Drongo van Onselen.

    Australia takes the same amount of refugees either way. The difference is that now, the ones that make it to safety in Indonesia stay there. At least until Labor gets back in and puts the people-smugglers back in business. Then the drownings will start again, the progressives will congratulate each other on their moral virtue and Sarah Hanson-Dungheap will tell us that “tragedies happen”. I guess thousands of drowned refugees is just the price to be paid for progressives to feel good about themselves.

  310. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2015 5:12 pm

    woman I used statements she put on the public record as evidence to the contrary.

    Yes, but you did so with the “assumption” that doing that made her a bad woman. When pressed on just HOW, you shut up, and still haven’t provided details on just HOW letting somebody else raise her severely disabled child made her a bad” woman. Because, when the actual events are examined, it can be seen that no judgement either way can be made as a result of this decision.

    The fact that you continue to push this can only mean one thing.

    When in doubt, attack them personally.

    Nanny-roxon`s tax hikes, along with `others` tax hikes will push more consumers from white-market, to black-market.

    That is purely an opinion, as you noted, unable to be measured accurately as yet. And it is probably correct, illegal cigarettes MIGHT gain a few customers. But, along the way, others will give up all together. So, just because an unspecified number get their death sticks elsewhere, should we abandon the program altogether?

    Anything that reduces the overall number of smokers is good. It is hard to argue against that, as less people will die. It is even harder when you make no cojent sense, as is your wont.

  311. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2015 5:13 pm

    Left unchecked I have no doubts that Roxon would’ve gone even further – possibly even adding toxic chemicals into cigarettes just to make them seem even more unpalatable..

    ROFL 😉

  312. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 15, 2015 5:21 pm

    nanny roxon just wouldn’t understand

    #yayteambagsandlungcancer
    #wereallgoingtodieanywaysowemightaswellenjoytheglamourofsmoking

  313. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2015 5:33 pm

    Yes, but have you been for a walk and countered the number of brightly coloured fascists in the gutter yomm?

    Until you have, that is just a random internet meme…..

  314. February 15, 2015 5:35 pm
  315. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2015 5:41 pm

    lolz Ricky. When he’s not off with the dogs, kenny provides some much needed humour for us plebs 😉

  316. February 15, 2015 6:07 pm

    I used to smoke Kents actually. Specifically for the micronite filter.

    Anything else is a compromise, quite frankly.

  317. February 15, 2015 6:49 pm

    (prohibition and)tax hikes will push more consumers from white-market, to black-market. ”””That is purely an opinion,”””’#fair-enough, until l prove otherwise

    +

    ””””as you noted, unable to be measured accurately as yet. And it is probably correct, illegal cigarettes MIGHT gain a few customers. But, along the way, others will give up all together.”””””

    #so, to varying degrees we agree here, Are you satisfied that Aust Burro of Surveys don`t include black-market estimates from ATO in their calculations, so that more accurate `quit`numbers are reported, as the british have done.? or are you happy with the half-arsed job they currently do.? (like un/employment numbers)

    #2. are you also happy with the non-existent reporting teabag-media have done, unlike the british, which at least `have` interviewed their responsible Dept, obtained estimates of black-market quantities, (both in money and weight measures) and dug-up street info, you know, `doing` journalism.?

    +

    ””””should we abandon the `program` altogether?”””’ #assuming you mean military grade package `program`, you should have noticed, l`m more on the `enhanced-program` side, with removing a couple of thousand carcinagens.

  318. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2015 7:20 pm

    Lots of questions for me bagger, but no answer forthcoming I note.

    I’m happy with the way we are measuring things, because trying to “measure” a black market is impossible. The hint comes from the meaning of “black” in “black market”. Think “black box” if you like.

    The issue started because the lolstralian presented figures, from the tobacco industry, which claimed to ‘prove” that Nanny McRoxons quest to rule the world plain packaging WASN’T working.

    I simply called bullshit, along with a lot of others. In fact, all the evidence to hand showed smoking rates continue to drop. The reason, hard to pin, but it completely refuted the lolstralians “evidence”

    Funny thing, their “evidence” was far more compelling than your box counting endeavour, and their was abysmally lacking to the point of being completely made up bullshit.

    Not sure where that leaves coloured box counts for future Uni Grads?

    l`m more on the `enhanced-program` side, with removing a couple of thousand carcinagens.

    Perhaps you could try explaining that with real Eengleesh, while you are answering the still unanswered question?

    I used to smoke Kents actually.

    And he never complained?

  319. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 15, 2015 7:27 pm

    Perhaps you could try explaining that with real Eengleesh

    There was a time that teambagz posted as “the 7.30 report”, that was when he could spell and use grammar.

    Over the past year or 2 he’s decided to annoy everyone with his affectation.

  320. February 15, 2015 7:29 pm

    All smokers should be locked up and flogged in Gulags subjected to repetitive speeches by Abbott, Pyne Corman and Brandis n a haze of second hand smoke…
    till they give up or die…
    Who gives a fuck about the stupidity of people smoking now the unequivocal medical evidence is in…

    I used to smoke Kents actually. Specifically for the micronite filter.
    Anything else is a compromise, quite frankly.

    Thats slummin it compared to an orcy bottle and some garden hose…

  321. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 15, 2015 7:38 pm

    Here’s a photo of someone else that doesn’t compromise!!

  322. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2015 7:43 pm

    Thats slummin it compared to an orcy bottle and some garden hose…

    Wow Ricky, at least you get garden hose. This was our style of slummin’

  323. February 15, 2015 7:48 pm

    ””””’while you are answering the still unanswered question?””””

    #assuming l can answer it, tomr, what question.?

  324. February 15, 2015 7:48 pm

  325. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2015 7:49 pm

    Here’s a photo of someone else that doesn’t compromise!!

    Thanks yomm. It appears that perhaps I was misunderstanding reb again 😦

  326. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2015 7:51 pm

    what question.?

    Truly, really truly 😯

    Please bagz, explain how the presence of illegal smokes renders Nanny McRoxons plain packaging laws moot. In Eenglish would be preferable.

    For the THIRD fucken time.

  327. February 15, 2015 7:51 pm

    An orcy bottle…? A coke can….??

    Luxury!

    We had to contend with a toilet roll and a bit of aluminium foil in my day!

  328. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2015 7:59 pm

    Day Six of Good Government …

    But Mr Abbott defended the move, saying he should have been more aware of the impending backbench revolt that nearly cost him the top job.

    “Plainly I wasn’t as aware as I should have been of all this,” Mr Abbott told Network Ten. “I never want to find myself in this position ever again.

    “I’m confident that with the whip’s team we’ve got, I will be very much aware of what’s going on inside the party, and let’s face it, if it’s going on in the party, it’s going on in the community.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/if-the-pm-had-concerns-id-expect-to-hear-them-philip-ruddock-hits-back-after-sacking/story-fncynjr2-1227220497189

    erm, so what about Peta Credlin, Mad Abbott?

  329. February 15, 2015 8:02 pm

    did l say that.? link.? as l don`t remember it, or the context.

  330. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2015 8:06 pm

    Kent’s were for poofters! Like them menthol girlie fags Virginia Slims … 😉
    I smoked Stuyvesant or Strand (or rolled my own) …

    In the Army I always kept a packet of rollies in my toolbox and a pack of smokes in my shirt pocket … for dicks who asked if I had a smoke … “yeah there’s a packet in the top of the toolbox …”

  331. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2015 8:12 pm

    This fred obviously identified the need for plain packaging of cigarettes its plain to see (hehe) that imaged packaging polarised so may minority groups and put them at risk of ridicool (sic) …

    And what a fkn stupid topic …

  332. February 15, 2015 9:42 pm

    Toilet rolls? Bloody luxury..
    I had to use my lunch 🙄

  333. February 15, 2015 9:46 pm

    In breaking news Abbott doesn’t lie about lying

  334. Tom R permalink
    February 15, 2015 10:49 pm

    did l say that.? link.? as l don`t remember it, or the context.

    what else can you be saying by constantly attacking a perfectly good policy with meaninless crap about illegal cigarettes first floated by newscorpse and now barracked by you. If there is another interpretation, enlighten us, else you are just another murdor magnet obfiscating good policy with garbage for no reason except to attack.

  335. February 15, 2015 11:33 pm

    ””””’Please bagz, explain how the presence of illegal smokes renders Nanny McRoxons plain packaging laws moot. In Eenglish would be preferable. .. For the THIRD fucken time.””””’

    #ya`see, that`s where `teams` go wrong, gettin`all huffy about a `claim`/`question` which would be gladly answered, but `teams` become unhinged over being simply asked for a link/context, as it is clearly not a full, complete, in-context comment.(if by me at all!) #yay.team

  336. February 15, 2015 11:56 pm

    ”””””’cigarettes first floated by newscorpse and now barracked by you”””’

    #see, there`s that `team` thing getting in the way and blinding you, all along, l`ve `repeatedly` told`ya, Limited-news was clap-trap, and the team-nanny-roxons polar-opposite bleating is too.

  337. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2015 5:28 am

    and the team-nanny-roxons polar-opposite bleating is too.

    See, that’s where yor “argument” breaks down. You keep claiming that the “team” is claiming the evidence is in, no matter how often it is stated it is not. And to add iñsult to idiocy, you continue to put up meaningless links about illegal cigarettes in support of murdor.

    Why? What is the purpose of those links?

  338. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2015 5:34 am

    and the team-nanny-roxons polar-opposite bleating is too

    Links, with context.

  339. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2015 8:05 am

    Gillian Triggs responds. She doesn’t respond to low life scumbags attacking her personally though, although it must be tempting to call them out on their abhorrent behaviour.

    Since the report was provided to the government last October, the commission has been subject to the criticism that it is politically biased. Why, critics have asked, did I as president begin the inquiry in 2014 and not six months earlier in July 2013, when the numbers of children in detention reached a record high. Why, it has been asked, did I not act earlier?

    ………

    So where was I and the commission in 2013? We were using the range of powers and functions available to us to address the longstanding and ongoing concerns about the treatment of asylum-seeker children. We were in detention centres, publishing reports and investigating complaints. Consistently, we were highlighting the collateral damage to children of maintaining a mandatory immigration detention policy.

    ….
    In stark contrast, over the six months after the new government took office, it became clear that children were being held for significant periods and were not being released. While the boats were stopping, the children were being detained for lengthening periods of time. When the inquiry was announced in February, 2014 children had been held on average for seven months and 1006 remained in closed indefinite detention.

    I was deeply troubled by this. As I ask in the report, how had the gains of the Howard government – which had removed all children from detention by mid-2005 – disappeared so quickly?

    The commission had always intended to come back and review what changes had occurred in the 10 years since our landmark 2004 report, A last resort? These worrying developments confirmed that it was appropriate for us to do so come 2014.

    While the report of the inquiry makes for disturbing reading, not only because it documents the damaging conditions in which children have been held, contrary to Australia’s legal obligations, but also because we have known this to be the case for over a decade.
    …………..

    Both sides of politics are responsible for their treatment of children in immigration detention since 1992. The focus should remain on the substance of the report. Please do not shoot the messenger. The commission is doing its job.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/dont-shoot-the-messenger-says-human-rights-commission-president-gillian-triggs-20150215-13evmp.html

  340. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2015 8:15 am

    about a `claim`/`question` which would be gladly answered

    Yet, I note, isn’t. All you have done is claim that is not “precisely” your postion. Yet you still make no claim about a position, except that everyone else is wrong, and you are right. However, finding out just what is “right” is impossible with somebody who refuses to state their position on a matter

    WillOtheWisp. You can never be wrong, because you hold no position.

    The problem with that is, every position you have appeared, however fleetingly, to hold, has been a ridiculous one.

    Ponder that on your next ColouredCartonCountin’ stroll.

  341. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 16, 2015 9:29 am

    “Well, you’re going to die, so I’m not going to invest too much in you … in the end I simply made the judgement that I would rather put my time into my other children and family”

  342. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2015 9:35 am

    And sb reverts immediately to the gutter trawling ad-homs.

    Unsurprisement really. When ya’ got nothing, fling shit.

    Please, sb, I’ve asked numerous times, how does that revelation of conflicting emotions within Triggs at a time of what would have been extreme distress make her a “bad woman”

    I’m not going to be patient waiting this time. All you need to do is explain WHY?

  343. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2015 10:27 am

    Day Seven of Good Government … and the battle begins to show that The Mad Abbott is in fact insane but soft and gentle inside …

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/opinion-tony-abbott-trying-to-save-australia-nation-trying-to-destroy-him/story-fnihsr9v-1227220678195

    I see a “Bacchus” commenting there too …

  344. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 16, 2015 10:31 am

    Tom R, I’ve already explained that once. I thought I’d just give Triggs the last word.

    KL said (without evidence) that Triggs was a “good woman”. In my view the statement Triggs made was inconsistent with that assertion.

    I noted that others may have a different view and noted that prominent (especially in progressive circles) philosopher Peter Singer and those who followed is views would see nothing wrong with it.

    I don’t think that just because KL asserts that Triggs is a “good woman” I should lap it up. I see nothing wrong with using words that Triggs put in the public domain herself in this discussion.

    You are a monumental hypocrite, piling on ad hominem abuse while whining about ad hom arguments. And saying very little when “personal attacks” are made on people you disagree with like Rinehart and Credlin. Apparently personal attacks attract your ire only when they are made against a leftist operative you support.

    That is all.

  345. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2015 10:34 am

    And saying very little when “personal attacks” are made on people you disagree with like Rinehart and Credlin

    Might want to check that sentence out a bit more, sb …

    Just suggestin’ …

    That is all.

    Hey! Very John Wayne finish … 🙂

  346. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2015 10:34 am

    Surely that is high parody TB. This one gave me the best laugh

    One respected commentator last week based his widely read column predicting the imminent demise of Abbott on – wait for it – two other columnists in the same newspaper predicting the end of Abbott based on – wait for it – gossip and backroom tattle from a couple of anonymous sources. Hello? Sniffing blood in the water, “experts” from all sides are desperate to predict the end of Abbott in what may well become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Except he seems to forget that the spill was brought on by people going public (you know, names to the comments), unlike the Gillard leadershit, which had years of “imminent” spills and challengers with no attribution whatever, up until the point it became a “a self-fulfilling prophecy” to use a phrase 😉

  347. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2015 10:39 am

    In my view the statement Triggs made was inconsistent with that assertion.

    And, as I said, you “view” means shit without an explanation.

    So, explain WHY does that statement make her a “bad” woman.

    Or is it just “the vibe”?

  348. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2015 10:46 am

    Might want to check that sentence out a bit more, sb …

    Apparently it is my level of “vociferousness” that is his real problem, rather than his guttural attempt to besmirch someone who is, on all evidence, a “good” woman.

  349. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 16, 2015 10:55 am

    “So, explain WHY does that statement make her a “bad” woman.”

    This is you at your trolling best, Tom R. I did not say that that statement made her a “bad” woman, did I? I did say that the statement was pertinent to the question of whether she was a “good” woman, but that is a different thing. Yet you choose instead to argue the point dishonestly.

    I think Triggs’ statement is hideous, contemptible. I can see both sides of this. If you can’t, I can’t help you further.

  350. February 16, 2015 10:59 am

    Sunday is #verbalingbagz day. Monday is #verbalingbottomday

  351. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2015 11:04 am

    did not say that that statement made her a “bad” woman, did I?

    Interesting, because that sounds precisely what this is saying

    In my view the statement Triggs made was inconsistent with that assertion.

    But you perhaps have another interpretation.

    WHY is it inconsistent with that assertion (that Triggs was a “good woman” )?

    I did say that the statement was pertinent to the question of whether she was a “good” woman, but that is a different thing.

    Except of course, as we can see from your above statement, it’s not really a different thing, is it.

    think Triggs’ statement is hideous, contemptible.

    I can see how, when just thrown out, without context, it can be seen that way. I also fully understand that that is precisely the game you want to play. All I have done is asked you to explain how, once the context has been seen, you can still support your assertion, yet you still appear to be throwing it out there randomly, in what appears to be a continuing effort to show how it somehow makes her NOT a “good” woman.

    An explanation is all I’m asking for. I’m sure you are capable of such? I’m just not sure you are as willing as you are capable.

    How does it make her NOT a “good” woman?

    #verbalingbottomday

  352. February 16, 2015 11:12 am

    “”I think Triggs’ statement is hideous, contemptible.””

    Ok this is getting too juicy – it deserves its own thread!

    Ka-Ching!

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/16/abbott-govt-launches-savage-attack-on-human-rights-commission-president/

  353. February 16, 2015 11:18 am

    Who knew?

  354. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 16, 2015 11:21 am

    In my view the statement Triggs made was inconsistent with that assertion.

    A statement made by a woman who has been given devastating news, that her baby will not survive life and never function as a normal human being, makes her a ‘bad’ woman. She said nothing that other parents in the same situation have not said and she has done nothing that others in the same situation have not done before.

    If we are going to judge and condemn people for having their family in care, I’m assuming that you will also find all those people who continue to work while placing their elderly parents and relatives into a nursing home as very ‘bad’ people?

    I can point to the work that she has done [and continues to do] as evidence that she is a ‘good’ woman. Can you give me the evidence to prove that she is ‘bad’?

    Can you tell me what evidence you have that she has mistreated or neglected her daughter, how she has physically, sexually or emotionally abused her.

    All i can say is that you must have a very jaundiced view of women in general [we already know about piers akerman’s history of sexism and sexual harassment].

  355. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2015 11:21 am

    But they’re made in the world

    But how will we know it it’s made by EVIL people or not?

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2015 11:36 am

    Sunday is #verbalingbagz day. Monday is #verbalingbottomday

    Chuckle … 🙂

    Ok this is getting too juicy – it deserves its own thread!

    Thank fkn christ for that! 🙄

  357. February 16, 2015 11:49 am

    Senior Liberals distance themselves from PM’s decision to demote Philip Ruddock http://trib.al/xZN3JXA

    #sevendaysofgoodgovernmentlater

  358. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2015 12:03 pm

    “Well, plainly, I wasn’t as aware as I should have been of all of this,” Abbott told conservative commentator Andrew Bolt.

    So naturally it was someone else’s fault … why can’t people figure these things out for themselves … why does The Mad Abbott have to explain the simplest concepts to everybody … are the public dumb or what?

  359. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2015 12:09 pm

    are the public dumb or what?

    We voted in a Mad Monk.

    I think that should answer that question 😉

  360. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2015 2:53 pm

    Day Seven of Good Government and the lies and deceit keep on tumbling out …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/abbott-encourages-turnbulls-ambition/story-e6frfku9-1227221382209

  361. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2015 3:19 pm

    Day Seven of Good Government … and now the lies upon lies get more difficult for The Mad Abbott …

    Another MP said: “Prime ministers have telephones provided free of charge by the Commonwealth so they have plenty of time to ring plenty of people”.

    Another MP said: “That statement (from Mr Abbott) doesn’t seem at all accurate. I know MPs were telling him about their concerns, and it wasn’t just backbenchers I must say.”

    “The level of backbench angst and anger was continuing to rise 6 months. Those calls we got in January were the first real chat many of us had had with the Prime Minister in the whole time we’ve been in government,” another MP said.

    “You didn’t have to be Nostradamus to see what was coming.”

    Several MPs have told News Corp Australia they have been fielding calls from the Liberal party membership and community leaders who were “particularly antsy” about Mr Ruddock’s sacking.

    “Philip is Mr Multicultural. He is deeply respected and a lot of community leaders are really angry about how he’s been treated,” one MP said.

    Another MP said: “The multicultural community is really upset about this decision. My office has been getting calls about it.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/philip-ruddock-told-tony-abbott-about-backbench-disquiet/story-fncynjr2-1227221344505

    And round and round the little ball goes – where it will stop, nobody knows …

    Watch out for the coming sequel – The Demise of The Mad Abbott

  362. February 16, 2015 4:53 pm

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2015 4:55 pm

    I hope that’s tongue in cheek, sreb … The Mad Abbott is … well … mad but he didn’t really say that, surely?

  364. February 16, 2015 7:23 pm

    team-cheerer, 20,000 results

    search-term, nanny roxon moot (ya`probably squealing about a quote.comment that`s not even mine) #yay.team

    http://www.google.com/search?filter=0&hl=en&num=100&q=Nanny+Roxon+moot

  365. Tom R permalink
    February 16, 2015 7:28 pm

    So teambagger without a clue, have you been able to actually formulate a position yet, or are you still just trolling and perpetuating murdors lies for them?

  366. February 16, 2015 7:47 pm

    Interesting read there Reb Colleen Ryan is a heavy hitter well respected journalist commissioned by the ABC board..

    3 from 76 were identified and of that Sarah Ferguson’s interview of Hokey was up for a Wakley..

    Kind of extinguishes the idea of bias on analysis.. There is lots of talk of bias but very little evidential proof that is: breaches of the ABC charter and ACMA.

  367. February 16, 2015 7:50 pm

    I really enjoyed Sarah Ferguson’s interviews on 730 Ricky. She seemed like a natural successor to Kerry O’Brien rather than the dull and insipid Chris Uhlmann …

  368. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2015 8:38 pm

    But Colleen Ryan, a former editor of The Australian Financial Review, singles out the interview for criticism in an audit of ABC TV’s budget coverage.

    So who commissioned the “audit? (The ABC?)

    And was this just one woman’s interpretation? I see Ryan was a newspaper journalist not a TV or radio interviewer … what are (if any) Ryan’s politics?

  369. February 16, 2015 9:37 pm

    The audit was commissioned by the board. There are also many internal process to enforce the charter stringently. This is pretty normal and goes to good journalistic control.

    TB Colleen Ryans politics are irrelevant as she is professionally partisan, (if they were I would bring it up as you would know) She is highly respected and well qualified to relate to the charter as opposed to the conjecture of opinion that “non journalists” tend to do.

    http://www.womenaustralia.info/biogs/AWE2797b.htm

    He interpretation is one that I personally would hold in high regard.
    What I find astounding is 3 from 76 and those three were only relating to minor specific points.

  370. February 16, 2015 11:47 pm


  371. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2015 10:01 am

    Day Eight of Good Government … and even News Ltd opinion authors are waking up …

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/tony-abbotts-national-security-rhetoric-is-cynical-dog-whistling-and-all-about-his-unpopularity/story-fnihsr9v-1227221694565#itm=newscomau%7Chome%7Cnca-homepage-masthead-feature%7C1%7Cheading%7Chomepage%7Chomepage&itmt=1424127097526

    But wait there’s more!

    CONCERNS about job security and weak wages growth has sent consumer confidence down to a six-month low.

    ANZ/ROY Morgan’s weekly consumer confidence index fell 1.7 per cent to its lowest level since August, leaving the index well below its long-run average.

    ANZ chief economist Warren Hogan said the rise in the January unemployment rate to 6.4 per cent, announced last week, and slower economic growth were the key factors weighing on consumers’ moods.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/consumer-confidence-hits-six-month-low/story-e6frfkur-1227222274303

    And more!

    IF last night’s public appearance was anything to go by, Malcolm Turnbull has come out positively prime ministerial.

    With his signature wit and grin, the Communication Minister’s performance on Q&A had the Twitter world a-twitter with praise, with many asking if Mr Turnbull was, in fact, submitting his job application for the top job on live TV.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/malcolm-turnbull-wows-public-with-almost-perfect-performance/story-fncynjr2-1227222003812

  372. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2015 7:04 pm

    Day Eight of Good Government …

    In a positive for the government, the Liberal Party was seen as significantly more trustworthy to handle national security, the economy, interest rates and asylum seekers.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/liberal-voters-split-over-abbott-future/story-e6frfku9-1227223062647

    Chuckle …

  373. February 17, 2015 10:01 pm

    ””””’So teambagger without a clue,””””’
    #l`m not the one tap-dancin in circles team-cheerer

    +

    ””””have you been able to actually formulate a position yet,””””
    #there`s that `team` thing gettin in ya`way again, my `position` is stated several times, its not my fault you don`t accept it .. .. or read it #team.cheering

    +

    ”””’or are you still just trolling and perpetuating murdors(#WTF) lies for them?”””

    +

    #l`ve gotta couple more links `team-nanny-roxon` won`t like. #play.with.ya.later 🙂

  374. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2015 12:37 pm

    Day Ten of Good Government and another $10 billion added to the “in crisis” budget … hypocrisy or what?

    http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/b-contract-put-up-for-tender-part-of-army-land-400-project/story-fnii5sms-1227225276641

    As for open and honest … Chrissy Pyne needs to get a dictionary … and a few public servants as well …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/christopher-pynes-university-fee-deregulation-what-the-government-doesnt-want-us-to-know/story-fns0jze1-1227224889123

    Nothing has changed … spending big on weapons of destruction … limiting the welfare of the nation … and still playing dodgy communication games with the electorate … !

  375. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2015 12:52 pm

    Day Ten of Good Government for BIG BUSINESS …

    But Tony Abbott has rejected a complete crackdown on food testing and labelling in response to the hepatitis A outbreak from imported berries, saying it was the responsibility of business “not to poison their customers” …

    Tony Abbott says is it the responsibility of businesses ‘not to poison their customers’ after 13 cases linked to frozen berries, and says a crackdown would just add to the cost of food

    Its the responsibility of government to protect the health and safety of its citizens …

    Might prevent someone from dying too! Fucking wanker!

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/18/national-hepatitis-a-response-planned-but-changes-to-food-labelling-rejected?CMP=share_btn_tw

  376. Tom R permalink
    February 19, 2015 1:12 pm

    From the first link at 12.37 TB

    Tender applicants will have to prove the ability to produce 225 armoured vehicles capable of carrying up to 35 tonnes as part of Army Land 400 project.

    Even IF a local company wins the contract (or even a small portion thereof) how is a small business like that going to get the highly skilled workers when the large business that trained, supplied and employed them has just been given it’s marching orders from hockey?

  377. February 23, 2015 10:06 am

    Good Government – Two weeks later:

    An excellent read from Paula Matthewson…

    It is impossible to avoid the conclusion that dysfunction is entrenched in the highest office in the land – and that Abbott and Credlin will survive or crash together.

    Meanwhile Abbott detractors are continuing to leak like an open fire hydrant, providing the News Corp Sunday tabloids with pointedly damaging information about the PM, including that he’d insisted on young unemployed waiting six months for the dole, and had refused to limit the aged pension for wealthy retirees.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-23/matthewson-so-much-for-a-more-consultative-pm/6212010

  378. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2015 8:26 pm

    Good Government was always going to be a joke … how many days now? WGAF!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/prime-minister-tony-abbott-has-lost-confidence-in-human-rights-commission-president-gillian-triggs/story-fncynjr2-1227237091532

    They just keep coming …

    DYSFUNCTION in the federal Liberal Party is causing concern within the NSW branch, with fears the continued leaks against Tony Abbott will hurt Mike Baird’s campaign.

    News Corp Australia has been told from within the Liberal Party that the Prime Minister is unlikely to be a starring figure in Mr Baird’s election campaign because of the continued leadership issues.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/labor-party-aims-to-speak-to-two-million-voters-before-election/story-fncynjr2-1227236846425

    So instead of a quick hanging The Mad Abbott will be hung drawn and quartered … trouble with that for the LNP is that the blood will land on and taint all the “ministers” (lol) and its congregation …

    40 days in the wilderness? Or 40 years?

  379. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2015 8:34 pm

    Fom, sreb’s link above …

    In fact, pretty much very effort Abbott has made to portray himself as the tough guy over the past fortnight has backfired, robbing him of the best opportunity left to turn his approval ratings around.

    And this is The Mad Abbott’s problem … why does he have to be a “tough guy”?

  380. February 24, 2015 8:37 pm

    “In fact, pretty much very effort Abbott has made to portray himself as the tough guy”

    I think she means ‘every’.

  381. February 24, 2015 8:42 pm

    I only mention that in case anyone is thinking of getting her to do some speechifying or some such.

    “I also write for corporate clients – anything from speeches and communication strategies to posts for social media”

    http://dragonistasblog.com/about/

  382. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2015 9:00 pm

    Yer a worry, ToSY … 🙄

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