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It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas.

December 21, 2015

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It’s beginning to look a lot like christmas…

That explains why everything’s so bloody god awful.

I suppose it will come as no surprise that I don’t really have much time for christmas, which is why I typically flee the country for some other far flung land where the custom is non-existent.

It’s not so much the “family thing” that I find objectionable, which I suppose is kind of acceptable, but it’s the rampant consumerism and extravagance that’s just kind of grotesque if you stop to give it some thought.

There are people starving on the other side of the world, yet here we will buy up a truckload of food, eat it for three days and then chuck the rest away.  Even those who can least afford it will be compelled to plunge themselves into debt just to be part of the chaos and frenzy that is apparently, part n parcel of the so-called “festive season.”

Australians are set to splurge more than ever this christmas with the Retailer’s Association expecting some $35 billion will be spent on groceries, grog and gifts in the lead up to christmas.   Much of that will be charged on plastic cards leaving many people lumbered with a post Christmas hangover in the form of a hefty credit card bill.

But here’s a tip; next year why not simply fuck off to some part of the world where it’s not even a thing, and escape the madness and mayhem.   It’s not too late to start planning.

But anyway, that’s just me.  I’m sure that some people genuinely get a thrill out of it all, and god bless their little cotton socks.

As usual The Gutter Trash will remain open throughout the holiday season, thanks to our tireless team of volunteers who work without weekend or public holiday penalty rates.

Whatever you are doing, have a lovely time.

 

Yours

reb

 

 

 

 

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  1. December 21, 2015 5:42 pm

    l share your `consumer-frenzy` sentiment over xmas, can`t afford to do what you do, but we have an aversion to debt/plastic and stay within our means. lt`s good to kick-back for a few days and pretend it is dog`s birthday:-)

  2. Rais permalink
    December 21, 2015 6:32 pm

    No Xmas in Thailand. Probably not in China either. Apart from that you’d probably have to be looking at some of the Middle Eastern countries. Even 85% Muslim Indonesia has Xmas marketing to its 10% odd of Christians and their Muslim friends who might want to buy them a present. Yes, it happens.

  3. December 21, 2015 6:40 pm

    Very true Rais, and welcome by the way… 🙂

    They put up Christmas decorations in the shopping malls in Malaysia, but that’s about it. No one really buys anything and there isn’t the mad hyper shopping that happens here.

  4. Tony permalink
    December 21, 2015 7:05 pm

    To anyone who givesashit about Christmas. The Grinches can please themselves.

    1946 Perry Como – Santa Claus Is Comin’ To Town

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  6. December 21, 2015 7:18 pm

    Welcome back ToSY. Would you like an arts thread?

  7. December 21, 2015 7:24 pm

    Maybe, but I wouldn’t want anyone to think I was trying to slow down your blog. Such a thing hadn’t crossed my mind, but it’s worth remembering for when I want to get all vindictive on your arse.

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2015 7:24 pm

    Please oh please say yes ToSY!

  9. December 21, 2015 7:25 pm

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2015 7:26 pm

    Obviously ToSY has forgotten about the spaminator AND Kamahl … heheheheh

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    December 21, 2015 7:28 pm

    We could call ToSY in the Hole … 🙂

  12. December 21, 2015 7:33 pm

    Still life. I’ll give you a fkn still life…!

  13. December 21, 2015 7:36 pm

  14. December 21, 2015 7:38 pm

  15. December 21, 2015 7:49 pm

    Christmas Flowers and Christmas Belles, Tom Roberts, 1899.

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  17. December 21, 2015 9:04 pm

    So I happened to catch some so-called “christmas carols” on the radio earlier and figured they could do with some re-working. No don’t thank me.

    Here’s the first:

    “”Oh Little town of Bethlehem, why don’t you all just fuck off.”

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 22, 2015 1:10 am

  19. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 22, 2015 8:16 am

    Who hasn’t defiled a Teddy Bear in their time?

  20. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 8:19 am

    “”Oh Little town of Bethlehem, why don’t you all just fuck off.”

    Bugger off ya miserable humbug bastards! If ya can’t get into the real meaning and joy of xmas, then stuff ya! Where would the poor old credit cards companies be without a reason to splurge!

    And after watching that video AO, I’m REALLY looking forward to CatchingUp! with the relativities now!

    Thanks for that! 😯

    Just remember, it’s ALL about the kiddies (the li’l darlings)

    (or is it to celebrate the birth of a dude who was destined to be killed horribly through his own fathers machinations?)

  21. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 22, 2015 8:41 am

    Very revealing vid, Tom R.

  22. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 8:51 am

    Walking ’round In Womens Underwear

    Bears, women’s underwear, has your chrissie masturcelebrations begun a little early this year sb 😉

  23. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 8:52 am

    hmm, too many early eggnogs for me? my strikes didn’t work out.

    Looks like sb aint the only one heading of for a merry xmas early

  24. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 22, 2015 9:48 am

    It’s that time of year Tom R! Forget politics, stop bitching and Frock Up.

  25. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 10:12 am

    Forget politics

    Tell it to the people you want to be serving your lazy fat arse over the break for a pittance!

    They aint ‘gettin over’ politics, cos the pricks in charge are pushing this shit on us NOW!

  26. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 22, 2015 10:24 am

    Tom R, you need to get a broomstick with a big round bed-knob stuck on its end. Repeatedly and rapidly shove it up your arse until you find your G-Spot. It also works as a kill switch for the “perpetually enraged” brain circuit you seem to have stuck in the hyper-drive position.

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2015 10:25 am

    … cos the pricks in charge are pushing this shit on us NOW!

    I think you meant …

    … cos the pricks in charge are pushing this shit on us STILL!

    (Poor grammar I know but it does work)

  28. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 22, 2015 10:25 am

    Then sing along with this:

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2015 10:26 am

    LOL!

    It also works as a kill switch for the “perpetually enraged” brain circuit you seem to have stuck in the hyper-drive position.

    Black, pot, kettle … much?

    Chuckle … 🙂

  30. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 10:29 am

    you need to get a broomstick with a big round bed-knob stuck on its end. Repeatedly and rapidly shove it up your arse until you find your G-Spot.

    Assumptions galore there 😉

    You misunderstand one thing though sb

  31. December 22, 2015 10:32 am

    Happy christmas bitch!

    //giphy.com/embed/26tP5FDLE9oSeES3e

    via GIPHY

  32. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 10:33 am

    I think you meant …

    My bad TB. blaming the eggnog again 😉

  33. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 22, 2015 10:36 am

    Merry Christmas to you, TB. I am the one trying to chill out and spread good cheer. I am certainly not going to let any leftist whining disturb my equanimity.

  34. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 10:42 am

    I am the one trying to chill out and spread good cheer.

    And you woulda got away with it if it weren’t for those pesky kids 🙂

    Merry Christmas reb 😉

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 22, 2015 10:53 am

    Happy christmas bitch!

    Fifi & Lulu in that clip.

  36. December 22, 2015 11:14 am

  37. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 11:16 am

    Some special xmas cheer just for sb, it just seemed to suit

  38. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 11:19 am

    And the poor old turc aint having a good xmas. I heard their report is supposed to be released new years eve. Are they trying to hide it lol I don’t blame them, dickheads that they are, cos this is the kind of shit they based it on.

    Falsified documents were handed to the unions royal commission at the instruction of a Canberra plumbing boss, a lawsuit claims.

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/police-review-claims-a-canberra-plumber-provided-false-documents-to-the-turc-20151218-glqu6n.html#ixzz3v0K2u4wP

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2015 11:38 am

    I am certainly not going to let any leftist whining disturb my equanimity.

    Nor should you at this festive time of the century, sb … 🙂

    Merry Xmas to you too …

    Chilling’s good, sb … keep up the xmas spirit … hic … luv it …

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2015 11:40 am

    Fifi & Lulu in that clip.

    Don’t forget the poor old xmas tree, ToM!

    sreb’s, got the xmas cheer badly this year I see …

    I recommend an overseas trip away from all the glitz and glamour … any suggestions?

  41. December 22, 2015 11:45 am

    reb,,,,Oh Little town of Bethlehem, why don`t you all just fuck off,,,,,,

    #l find some of`em need total `re-working` for the local modern era.

    Deck the place with teabag follie,

    Fa la la la la, la la la la.

    Tis the reason to be dopey,

    Fa la la la la, la la la la.

    ,

    Don we now our Coal apparel,

    Fa la la, la la la, la la la.

    Troll and Media, Fool Wide carol,

    Fa la la la la, la la la la.

    ,

    See the blazing Fool before us,

    Fa la la la la, la la la la.

    Deny the Facts and join the chorus.

    Fa la la la la, la la la la.

    ,

    Follow him in teabag measure,

    Fa la la la la, la la la la.

    While he tells of tea-bag treasure,

    Fa la la la la, la la la la.

    ,

    Fast away the old earth passes,

    Fa la la la la, la la la la.

    Hail the Coal, ye canberra farces,

    Fa la la la la, la la la la.

    ,

    Sing we teabags, all together,

    Fa la la la la, la la la la.

    Needless of science or weather,

    Fa la la la la, la la la la.

    ,

    #merry xmas teabags, drink all you can, but don`t drive!

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2015 11:46 am

    From TR’s turc link above …

    On other occasions, Mr Hooper allegedly swore at and belittled Ms Williams, which included telling her she could “stand up and pee” after refusing to provide appropriate female bathroom equipment.

    It is alleged that Advanced Plumbing and Drains’ negligence and breach of duty caused Ms Williams psychological injury, depression, anxiety, panic attacks, and insomnia.

    Advanced Plumbing and Drains … seems to be a bit over the top … if they can’t provide female toilet facilities …

  43. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 11:48 am

    if they can’t provide female toilet facilities …

    And it’s not like guys don’t get a case of the splatterbottoms either?

    Happy Festivus TB 🙂

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2015 11:48 am

    #merry xmas teabags, drink all you can, but don`t drive!

    Or drive all you like but don’t drink …

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2015 11:49 am

    And it’s not like guys don’t get a case of the splatterbottoms either?

    Chuckle … speak for yourself … 😉

  46. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 12:45 pm

    speak for yourself

    I blame that dastardly P.E. Browne
    “I used to do a little but a little wouldn’t do it so a little got more and more” 🙂

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2015 12:50 pm

    Ho Ho Ho!

    Tribunal rejects Brandis’ diary excuse

    The federal attorney-general’s bid to keep his ministerial diary secret has been rejected by a tribunal.

    The Administrative Appeals Tribunal on Tuesday ruled there was “no practical” reason for George Brandis to refuse a freedom of information request for the diary by shadow attorney-general Mark Dreyfus.

    Senator Brandis had argued consenting to the request would create an “unreasonable burden”, including up to 526 hours consulting with 263 people who had appointments with him to ask if they had any reason to keep their meeting secret.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/tribunal-rejects-brandis-diary-excuse/news-story/2c6593c7e86b2c6ea1acb417c29741ba

    Gotta lot of time for the AAT … been there a few times!

  48. Walrus permalink
    December 22, 2015 1:06 pm

    “They put up Christmas decorations in the shopping malls in Malaysia, but that’s about it.”

    So why are these Malaysians dressing up in their traditional Austrian and Swiss Alp costumes ?

    http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/community/2015/12/18/make-merry-the-eurasian-way-christmas-fiesta-this-weekend-celebrates-communitys-culture-and-contribu/

    And its snowing in Penang

    http://www.thestar.com.my/metro/community/2015/12/19/white-christmas-for-shoppers-snowflakes-and-musical-add-to-festive-mood/

  49. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 1:34 pm

    So why are these Malaysians dressing up in their traditional Austrian and Swiss Alp costumes ?

    Maybe they heard reb was coming?

  50. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 22, 2015 1:37 pm

    Merry Christmas to Youse All! Especially our Blogmaster.

  51. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 1:49 pm

    Merry xmas splatteredass

    Just for you 🙂

    Labor has launched a new booklet outlining 50 practical policies it will take into the 2016 federal election.

    https://www.laborherald.com.au/uncategorised/practical-policies-positive-future-read-all-about-it/

    https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/australianlaborparty/pages/4661/attachments/original/1450673684/practical_policies_that_put_people_first_booklet.pdf?1450673684

  52. December 22, 2015 1:55 pm

    the tribunal has ruled that his secretive approach to my simple request was in breach of the Freedom of Information Act,,,,,,,

    ,,,,,,Brandis had argued consenting to the request would create an `unreasonable burden`,,,,,,

    ,,,,,,,,Brandis clearly thought he was above the rules,,,,,,

    #dog bless the poor teabag having a `burden` placed upon him(didumz) after all the `burden` this particular teabag has wanted to place on others, particularly boaties

    #vile.fcuking.creature

  53. December 22, 2015 2:14 pm

    Thank you rectum.

  54. December 22, 2015 2:14 pm

    50 things that won`t happen after the 2016 election

    https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/australianlaborparty/pages/4661/attachments/original/1450673684/practical_policies_that_put_people_first_booklet.pdf%3F1450673684

    #item `1` needed to be `get-rid` of blib, and it wasn`t

    #therefore the rest don`t matter

  55. December 22, 2015 2:16 pm

    From Walrus’s link:

    “”They are the Poke & Prove dialogue-cum-talk show at the Royale Bintang Hotel in Weld Quay””

    They really should have someone proof read that sort of thing before it gets published.

    I mean seriously “poke & prove” what the hell is that…..??!!

  56. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 22, 2015 2:22 pm

    You are most welcome, reb. You are the besttus blogmaster evah!

    Tom R, I am in sweetness and light mode. No politics for me until New Year. Give it a rest, mate. Even Retardland came up with a nice little ditty. It didn’t make any more sense than usual, but that was somehow appropriate this time.

  57. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 2:23 pm

    “poke & prove” what the hell is that…..??!!

    I’m just guessing, but I reckon sb is the go to guy for that 😉

  58. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 2:26 pm

    No politics for me until New Year.

    So, we must all go politics free, cos sb is having a little holiday lol

    you getting double time for that lazyass?

  59. December 22, 2015 2:42 pm

    somebody would probably be better-off going `politics-free` for the next 12-months

    #instead of the self-abuse #yaay.blib

  60. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 2:47 pm

    fer sb 🙂

    Hows that plain packaging looking for ya teambag?

  61. December 22, 2015 3:04 pm

    Happy christmas from talcum

    http://malcolmturnbull.com.au/seasons-greetings-2015/

  62. December 22, 2015 3:48 pm

    talkbull,,,,,,for many of us it is not so happy. Poverty, loneliness, illness,,,,,,,

    #yet the copper-class-leader still insists on 15%-gst, hacking pay-rates and mangling national-health #deluded.fcuking.teabags

  63. Walrus permalink
    December 22, 2015 4:06 pm

    “When you give up the weekend, you should be compensated. ”

    So then why is Sunday more valuable than Saturday. Is it because all you Bible Bashing Lefties need a holy day ?

  64. December 22, 2015 4:20 pm

    “”So then why is Sunday more valuable than Saturday. “”

    It’s not so much that Sunday is “more valuable,” it’s just that ppl are still being underpaid when they work on Saturdays.

  65. December 22, 2015 4:26 pm

    THE DAILY BLIB

    WHAT IS BLIB?

    It’s reasonable that an opposition leader would have less of a public profile than a prime minister, but it’s absurd that after two years in the position he’s still just a collection of limply expressed contrary positions in a very small suit. Shorten is attempting to make an omelette without breaking any eggs. He is, unsurprisingly, producing zero omelettes.

    Shorten has made a few attempts at showing strength: he introduced that same sex marriage bill, which got nowhere, because it didn’t have bipartisan support. He proposed some excellent emissions targets that will only actually matter in the unlikely event that Labor gets in at the next election.

    He is perceived almost unanimously (except for the 14% of preferred prime minister respondents, I guess) as a bumbling, damp nerd. It’s enough to make you wonder why Labor hasn’t done anything about it. Anthony Albanese is waiting in the wings with comparative buckets of charm, probably champing at the bit to get out there and actually make some policy, but they’re cruising towards an election they seem almost certain to lose, with a leader who might actually eat cardboard.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2015/12/09/what-even-bill-shorten

  66. December 22, 2015 4:49 pm

    blubbering,,,,,,why is Sunday more valuable than Saturday,,,,,,,

    #you might gain some wisdom and make a better critter of ya`self by asking `yourself`

    #why do `you` want the lowest paid (often-struggling) to earn even less?

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2015 4:53 pm

    Happy christmas from talcum

    Certainly a lot better than last year’s PM’s message anyway …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    It’s not so much that Sunday is “more valuable,” it’s just that ppl are still being underpaid when they work on Saturdays.

    Indeed, instead of reducing Sunday penalty rates they should be increasing Saturday’s …

    No trollopping about on the mate’s million dollar fishing boat on the weekend for those on penalty rates …

    … silver spooned, Scroogy, shiny arses have no understanding of how some folk survive in our society nor have a xmassy thought or heart in their soul …

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2015 4:55 pm

    Apologies to sb … for the last comment …

    … but I only had one Guinness with my Hog’s Breathe Hickory Lite Cut Steak for lunch … 🙂

  69. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 22, 2015 5:23 pm

    No need to apologise, TB. None of it is true!

    Guinness: now there is a good idea.

  70. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 5:32 pm

    it’s just that ppl are still being underpaid when they work on Saturdays.

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2015 6:12 pm

    And I don’t even have a facebook or twitter A/C … 🙂

  72. Tom R permalink
    December 22, 2015 6:21 pm

    yet ya still hangin with the kiddies and keepin it real TB 😉

  73. December 22, 2015 6:55 pm

    just saw this on sbs news, an international student (looks`n sounds indian) `Hassan` is dying of cancer and too sick to travel, the teabag-immigration has denied his family an entry visa to be with their dying son/brother, you can`t tell me the teabags don`t have a fcuking cruel aspect to them and don`t enjoy others misery #yaay.teabags

  74. Tony permalink
    December 22, 2015 7:59 pm

    Still glides the stream, and shall for ever glide, Arthur Streeton, 1890.

  75. December 22, 2015 8:02 pm

    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  76. December 22, 2015 8:03 pm

    Jeez, I didn’t mean to do that. 😯

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2015 8:06 pm

    Bankrupt Kathy Jackson has been ordered to pay the Health Services Union almost $1m, meaning she now owes it about $2.4m.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/22/kathy-jackson-ordered-to-pay-health-services-unions-court-costs-of-nearly-1m

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    December 22, 2015 8:07 pm

    Glad I only comment here, ToSY … 😮

  79. December 22, 2015 8:20 pm

    Good evening music lovers. Allow me to share a little christmas cheer… Feel free to join in if you know the words. You’re welcome.

  80. Tony permalink
    December 22, 2015 8:55 pm

    Who could forget this time-honoured classic?

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    December 23, 2015 10:48 am

    Merry Xmas … LUDICROUS!

    A MASSIVE pay rise of 15.6 per cent has been approved for Logan City councillors next year.

    The independent Local Government Remuneration and Discipline Tribunal has approved the pay rises to take effect from July 1, next year. The tribunal also elevated Logan City Council to a new category 7 level alongside Moreton Bay and Sunshine Coast councils.

    For Logan councillors, the pay rise means an extra $17,583 a year.

    For councillors who chair a committee, the pay increase of $19,341 or 15.6 per cent takes their wage to $143,324 a year.

    The deputy mayor’s pay increase is $20,949 or 16.4 per cent while the Mayor’s annual rise is $26,751 or 14.24 per cent.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/logan/a-massive-pay-rise-of-156-per-cent-has-been-approved-for-logan-city-councillors-next-year/news-story/18af74f38d2e5576ecceca1fb9c3afb4#itm=newscomau%7Chome%7Cnca-homepage-topstories%7C5%7Clink%7Chomepage%7Chomepage&itmt=1450827782716

    And our ADF personnel get a 2% pay rise and a reduction in work conditions …

    Robber Barons at work …

  82. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 23, 2015 11:37 am

    The Libs with another ‘public debate’, you know the one where one of them gets the tap on the shoulder and jumps up to say what the country should be doing or offer up some pig ignorant far right extremist view where the rest of them can say ‘that’s not our policy’…until it becomes their policy.

    Funny how they’ve never been able to offer any evidence to prove this job creation myth they keep spruiking.

    Liberal senator Zed Seselja breaks ranks to back cutting Sunday penalty rates
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-23/zed-seselja-backs-cutting-sunday-penalty-rates/7049516

    …A Government senator has broken ranks to push for Sunday penalty rates to be cut for hundreds of thousands of workers in the hospitality, retail and entertainment sectors.

    Key points:

    Senator Seselja says the hospitality industry, in particular, is where reforms should be occurring
    He says level of change should be up for discussion but “it will create jobs”
    Labour movement threatening biggest campaign since WorkChoices

    The Productivity Commission recommended the move in a report released this week.

    Employment Minister Michaelia Cash immediately distanced the Government from the finding, saying penalty rates were a matter for the Fair Work Commission…

    …Current or departed politicians usually concede in their honest moments, that the public usually get it right. The public certainly gets it right on the ABC. The most recent view of the public was captured by Newspoll, which showed 84% of the Australian public believes the ABC represents good or very good value for money. A level of support that must make an old politician (let alone a Channel 9 director and a News Limited columnist) weep…

  83. Tom R permalink
    December 23, 2015 11:50 am

    The Productivity Commission recommended the move in a report released this week.

    Have they been able to explain yet why it is only cafe workers etc and not other services such as nurses and firemen?

  84. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 23, 2015 12:14 pm

    A MASSIVE pay rise of 15.6 per cent has been approved for Logan City councillors next year.

    Wow! Do they work week-ends?

  85. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 23, 2015 12:23 pm

    Have they been able to explain yet why it is only cafe workers etc and not other services such as nurses and firemen?

    Yes, if they think penalties should go it should be for everyone and they should have the courage of their convictions and not pick on the poorest and defenceless in society.

    I think they want that as the starter and then once the door is open they will create a’need’ for emergency services to lose their penalties too.
    I hope the unions ram that point home, the slippery slope aspect where it’s the beginning of the end for all. The only winners being the employers who pocket the cash.

  86. December 23, 2015 12:55 pm

    and ,,,,,it will create jobs,,,,,, is bullshit armchair

    these ,,,,,,hospitality, retail and entertainment sectors,,,,,, have a lot of over-lap in the `tourism` industry, which is `seasonal` and not full-time, which many often use back-packers for 3-or-4 bucks/hour, l wonder if this where the push is coming from (l remember teabags tossing manufacturing to the wind with claims of `wealth` for all from `tourism`)

    #it is interesting that the copper-class-innovation-leader believes those scratching to earn a living will actually have the resources to `innovate`, even if they have access to the cheaper-and-already-outdated nbn

    z+++++++++++++++++

    teebz , on telly l heard the canoe-state premier (teabag?) got a 60k rise

    z++++++++++++++++++

    Pakistani family who have been denied a visit to their dying son in Australia

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-22/man-with-cancer-has-weeks-to-live,-family-denied-visa/7049116

  87. Tom R permalink
    December 23, 2015 12:55 pm

    I think they want that as the starter and then once the door is open they will create a’need’ for emergency services to lose their penalties too.

    Yes, it is pretty obvious what they are doing. But, people need to repeat this often. It is obvious the major media players are also agitating for it (they like their coffees on Sunday too)

    And just where does the line end?

    Pharmacists in Australia have voted to launch industrial action for the first time, starting Christmas Eve, as a national pharmacy chain moves to slash penalty rates.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/workplace-relations/penalty-rate-row-stirs-strife-at-pharmacies-20151222-gltc58#ixzz3v6ZBay5y
    Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    December 23, 2015 1:07 pm

    Employment Minister Michaelia Cash immediately distanced the Government from the finding, saying penalty rates were a matter for the Fair Work Commission…

    If that’s true, then why are the Productivity Commission involved?

    Perhaps we should rename the PC – Workchoices Task Force 2016!

    Productivity Commission working weekends are they?

  89. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 23, 2015 1:23 pm

    What we’re seeing is the libs and industry prosecuting their case for the lowering of wages and conditions through the media to try and soften up the public towards an inevitable outcome. Remember tony abbott calling upon industry to assist the govt in the debate?

    The grubs are out, no coincidence that they also happen to be big donors to the liberal party.

    Where is the media space for the opposing argument from the workers and the unions in this public campaign?

  90. December 23, 2015 1:47 pm

    armchair did you follow thru to this

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-22/government-considering-calls-for-lower-penalty-rates/7047402

    my-abc,,,,,,This government will be taking an IR policy or a workplace relations policy to the next election.`Senator Cash,,,,,,,

    #by my semi-educated-guess`timates, if the teabag slave-choices is successful, about 70% of those being arse-fcuked will be woman

    #but note, the feminista `should` be kicking-heads `and` kicking goals on this one, but as the teabag slave-minister(cash) is female, those talking-head feminista will avoid the issue in case the female slave-minister gets the boot, not defend the hundreds/1000`s of under-class women

    #instead, they will probably make lots of noise over `quotas` and swoon over the copper-class-feminist-leader

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 23, 2015 1:51 pm

    Logan councillors are “Robber Barons”???!!!!

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 23, 2015 1:52 pm

    I had no idea that the threshold for qualifying as a “Robber Baron” was so low!

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    December 23, 2015 1:56 pm

    Dutton noted the diplomatic post in Islamabad would be closed for about six days over Christmas, but he still hoped the matter would be resolved quickly.

    I guess they don’t need penalty rates in Immigration … wonder what Dopey Dutton is doing right now?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Logan councillors are “Robber Barons”???!!!!

    You’re quite right, ToM … Wannabe Robber Barons … its about profiting from the community without actually doing anything … worthwhile … climbing on the backs of others to profit …

    And then paying a pittance to those who protect us …

    Even you can see the logic in that …

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 23, 2015 2:06 pm

    Well TB, what is it about all that you object to?

  95. December 23, 2015 2:17 pm

    w,,,,,,,,,,,,,When pressed by the ABC’s Leigh Sales on how the STEM education package would be distributed, Turnbull was vague, declaring it would simply help fund programs. However, he did certainly acknowledge the importance of including both genders in the ‘ideas boom’: “In a world where human capital is the most valuable asset, why are we not including women?” he told the ABC.,,,,,,,,,,,,

    http://www.womensagenda.com.au/talking-about/top-stories/item/6602-great-ideas-can-only-boom-with-both-genders-the-women-s-perspective-on-malcolm-turnbull-s-innovation-package

    ,,,,,,,,,,She believes Turnbull has covered every aspect of innovation to help create the new ‘ideas boom,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we’re going to look to tap into the $8 million that’s been set aside for accelerators and incubators to see if we can get more female-led businesses funded.

    “Finally, we want the Prime Minister to include more women in the top team advising him on Innovation.,,,,,,,,,,,

    #swoon.baby.swoon (even when he`s vague)

  96. December 23, 2015 3:51 pm

    THE DAILY BLIB

    WHY WOULD CITIZENS VOTE BLIB?

    When it come to citizens making decisions at the ballot box, over recent years it shows they don`t support blib and his team post 2007. The team was dragged kicking and screaming from the wilderness into government by Kevin from Queensland. Since then, they have done all they could to return to the wilderness, which is their rightful place in opposition, where they feel most comfortable.

    It could be argued strongly that voters should vote for blib because he`s not Tony Rabbit, and those arguing it would be correct. Others could argue that voters should vote for blib because he is not SARS, HIV, Tuberculosis or the Black-death. And they too would be correct. We hope.

    Some voters may have observed that since 2007, blib and his team haven`t been able to govern themselves, and therefore you would really need to be nuts to let them govern you. It`s a strong and persuasive argument, with evidence of implosion and wreckage behind it.

    Many have also observed that on so many topics there is no brand differentiation between the two big teams, particularly under blib, who was always willing to play the `small-target` and `teabag-lite` version of the Abbott regime. This tactic became a spectacular failure once the teabags changed zombie to Talkbull.

    Up until here there has been no reason whatsoever to vote for the teabag-lite blib. However, this week the Talkbull zombies have generously thrown blib a bit of a life-line by attacking workers wages in a resurrection of the dead, buried, cremated, zombie Howard regime `Work-choices`. (Ya`gotta love zombies don`t Ya, no matter how often they`re dead, buried, or cremated, you know they will rise again.)

    Now we have to wait and see if blib can actually do something with the zombies wage attack, can blib prove himself worthy of votes, will blib be able to muster-up enough votes to keep plib and albo in their seats, could he even `actually` win, well sports-fans, it may just start getting interesting.

  97. Walrus permalink
    December 23, 2015 4:31 pm

    “Where is the media space for the opposing argument from the workers and the unions in this public campaign?”

    Journalists dont get paid hourly rates they get judged by their output. Journalists are on salaries like many others and some are on quite low salaries and dont get paid extra to work on weekends.

    So why should someone get paid more on a Sunday than a Saturday ?

    In fact why should anyone collect overtime penalties if they have not even worked 38 hours in that week ?

    Why do you lot think the wharves are now run by robots controlled from a single room ?

    Why do mining companies have driverless trains ?

    Why are there self checkouts in supermarkets ?

    Answer : Because human labour became less flexible and more expensive that robotics.

    Hopefully one day soon all those bar staff and kitchen hands will be replaced by robots and the argument over penalty rates will fade into history

  98. Walrus permalink
    December 23, 2015 4:33 pm

    “Innovation” can mean disruptive technology.

  99. Walrus permalink
    December 23, 2015 4:38 pm

    “Have they been able to explain yet why it is only cafe workers etc and not other services such as nurses and firemen?”

    How about a set of skills acquired via technical courses and long traing.

    You dont need a lot of training to pull a beer or carry a tray of coffees over to a table

  100. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 23, 2015 5:36 pm

    Why does it take a public media campaign to get immigration to show some humanity to a dying man and his family?

    …#by my semi-educated-guess`timates, if the teabag slave-choices is successful, about 70% of those being arse-fcuked will be woman
    #but note, the feminista `should` be kicking-heads `and` kicking goals on this one, but as the teabag slave-minister(cash) is female, those talking-head feminista will avoid the issue in case the female slave-minister gets the boot, not defend the hundreds/1000`s of under-class women…

    I don’t think it has much to do with protecting the female minister T-Bagz. I reckon not much criticism is allowed in the media, the journos are having a turnbull love-in. I’m sure there will be a union led campaign about it and I’m equally sure the people who will notice will be the families who will have to support the retail and hospitality workers from their own pockets. Everyone will have to tighten their belts and not spend, the women will pass up, or give up work because they can’t afford child care anymore. Hardly the way to run an economy. You can’t cut your way to prosperity, the real lifters are going to be the students and the low paid casuals while the employers pocket extra cash, money for jam. I hope the gloss wears off once people realise their personal debt is sky-rocketing, they are working longer for less and their kids, wives and daughters are getting royally screwed by this govt. Perhaps the over worked and over stressed [at home and work] women might just make a stand, fire up and get angry at ‘the system’ for once, using them as fodder for an economy that keeps grinding them down while everyone else leans.

  101. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 23, 2015 5:41 pm

    You dont need a lot of training to pull a beer or carry a tray of coffees over to a table

    You don’t need much training to be born into wealth either.

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    December 23, 2015 7:31 pm

    Journalists dont get paid hourly rates they get judged by their output. Journalists are on salaries like many others and some are on quite low salaries and dont get paid extra to work on weekends.

    Do you actually know what “salary” means, Wally?

    Soldiers don’t get paid to work extra on weekends … but they do and don’t whing about others that get penalty rates …

    Build a bridge …

    Why do you lot think the wharves are now run by robots controlled from a single room ?

    Why do mining companies have driverless trains ?

    Why are there self checkouts in supermarkets ?

    Answer : Because human labour became less flexible and more expensive that robotics.

    1. wharves run by robots? DuH who do you think controls any robot.

    2. Driverless trains … driverless trucks … all about greed … won’t last for long … follis fuel is for fossil fools … and BTW both are limited operation … don’t believe everything you read …

    3. Self checkouts … when di you last use one? Need staff to “train shoppers” and most shoppers AVOID them because it costs jobs …

    Why don’t we reduce prices and then wages won’t need to skyrocket … wage increases are at a decade low … employers keep pushing and people will rejoin the unions … stupidly self fulfilling prophecy …

    Elysium may be your answer but it isn’t the majority …

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1535108/

    “Innovation” can mean disruptive technology.

    Innovation will destroy the coal industry!

    There! Fixed it for yer!

    Just what do you think happens to a capitalist economy when no-one earns enough to buy anything?

    The signs are already around you …

    You dont need a lot of training to pull a beer or carry a tray of coffees over to a table

    And that really shows your ignorance (in the true sense of the word) … and lack of respect and understanding for other people and the jobs they perform in and for society …

    … in fact your whole tirade demonstrates an insular and arrogant lifestyle of expectation rather than involvement and development with the environment around you … landed gentry live in the UK …

    Not in Australia … despite you and Tony Abbott …

    It is christmas and I’m sure JC would have a few words about fairness in the world …

    To many, Christ’s teachings seem to fit socialism. First is love toward fellow man. Matthew 19 includes an account of a young man asking Jesus what he must do to receive eternal life. His answer (in italics) could be interpreted as being a socialist principle: “…if you will enter into life, keep the commandments. He said unto Him, Which? Jesus said…You shall love your neighbor as yourself” (vs. 17-19).

    Jesus also instructed, “If you will be perfect, go and sell that you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven: and come and follow Me” (vs. 21).

    Loving one’s neighbor and giving to the poor certainly fit within a socialist model. Think of programs such as Medicare and Social Security, which provide healthcare and financial stability to the elderly and those in need. Next think of labor unions fighting to bring fair wages and to rein in corrupt capitalists. This looks like caring for the poor and needy.

    Throughout His ministry, Christ emphasized the importance of helping people. He continually healed the sick and at least twice (miraculously) provided food for the masses (Matt. 14:15-21, 15:32-38). Jesus stated that He had “compassion on the multitude, because they continue with Me now three days, and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way” (15:32).

    In Matthew 10:42, Jesus said that those who simply give a drink of cold water to a child will not lose their reward: “And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily [truly] I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.”

    (Disclaimer: While I am an agnostic … I was raised in the C of E the bible smothered my early childhood but could never answer my questions – strangely the goodness “principles” of the New Testament stuck … it is a pity that “practising” organised religion krystians seem to have lost the plot … or never understood it)

    =============================================

    You don’t need much training to be born into wealth either.

    How do you make a small fortune?
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    Start with a large one …

  103. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 23, 2015 7:59 pm

    You’re right walrus, the mining companies (for example) continually look for ways to reduce their exposure to expensive and unreliable labour.

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    December 23, 2015 8:38 pm

    You’re right walrus, the mining companies (for example) continually look for ways to reduce their exposure to expensive and unreliable labour.

    Demonstrating the “need for greed” mentality of the Uber Kapital approach to profits over people …

    The world is not just for the super rich …

    History will tell you that eventually people get pissed off with being utilised, played, harnessed, deceived, oppressed and discarded …

    People do fight back in the end … ask the French, the British, the Americans, the Vietnamese, even the Chinese … history WILL itself …

    Society will overcome … !

  105. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 23, 2015 8:58 pm

    YOu’re right TB. We should just stop technology.

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    December 23, 2015 9:02 pm

    What a lovely story … *

    We then deposited enough funds to cover a few months rent, after which Dick and Pip Smith will continue with regular deposits for their accommodation and the girl’s education. Dr Chellani also agreed to oversee the account to ensure the money was spent appropriately.

    At least this story highlights the real difference between the haves and the have nots … the 1% who own 50 % of the wealth … and the 50% who own 1% of the world’s wealth …

    The world is sick … and needs fixing …

    (Disclaimer: Dick Smith really strikes me as a self made (multi?) millionaire … and doesn’t come across as a Robber Baron)

  107. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 23, 2015 9:34 pm

    You’re right walrus, the mining companies (for example) continually look for ways to reduce their exposure to expensive and unreliable labour…

    That’s an easy fix, leave the stuff in the ground, no exposure, you make the world a better place, re-train the workforce in digital technology and you have an added bonus of no labour costs 🙂

    …DECEMBER
    And then December appeared, with the painful realisation that the achievements of Ford, Payne, feminism and, indeed, all women standing up to sexism, drew predictable criticism from male commentators for not being the right sort of feminists…

  108. December 23, 2015 10:07 pm

    the recent blubbering,

    ,,,,,,the wharves are now run by robots controlled from a single room ?,,,,,#wrong

    #it is big `machinery` with `drivers`, and will always need human `eyes` inspecting despite automation, #ditto.airports

    ,,,,,,Why do mining companies have driverless trains ?,,,,,#and.trucks

    #and did you notice `twiggy` has been bleating he can`t make money since he got his robots?

    ,,,,,Why are there self checkouts in supermarkets ?,,,,,,#at.woolie.coles

    #and l`m sure aldi has been enjoying the benefit of those too

    #the bleating pretending this will help the small/mom`n`pop cafes is wrong, this will only be helping the krusty-burger cafes, the mom`n`pops that try this usually lose, as all small-biz does, when they chase away their staff and enter the `re-hiring` tread-mill

    #and armchair is very correct here,

    AO,,,,,,,,,,have to tighten their belts and not spend, the women will pass up, or give up work because they can’t afford child care anymore. Hardly the way to run an economy. You can’t cut your way to prosperity,,,,,,,,,

    #as worker`s re-ASSESS a job with `terms` they didn`t agree to

    #blubbering imbeciles need to realize in most businesses with `dead-wood` in then are managers/owners family and friends, not the un-related hires

    #in some ways, l would like to see the teabags do this, and watch the copper-class-innovation-leader preside over a pile of business go belly-up because the dickheads couldn`t retain their staff, just to see what the bleating would be:-)

  109. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 23, 2015 11:38 pm

    Why John Howard’s IR overreach haunts Malcolm Turnbull
    http://www.afr.com/news/why-john-howards-ir-overreach-haunts-malcolm-turnbull-20151220-gls7xn#ixzz3v973lAUj

    …One irony of the Coalition’s approach is that employers are now having to rely on Fair Work Commission president Iain Ross, a former senior ACTU official, as their sole potential avenue for reducing labour costs before the election.

    Business lobby groups who privately attacked Labor’s appointment of Ross are now standing before him as he leads a Fair Work review into penalty rates. Hearings have been pushed back to April next year…

    …But so gun-shy is the Coalition that Cash is not prepared to have the government make a submission to the Ross review. It also won’t formally submit the Productivity Commission’s findings to Ross, although that will no doubt be done by another party to the proceedings…

    Former ACTU boss Martin Ferguson backs cuts to ‘excessive’ penalties:
    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/former-actu-boss-martin-ferguson-backs-cuts-to-excessive-penalties-20151220-gls8du#ixzz3v98snuB8

    …ACTU secretary Dave Oliver said Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull should make a submission to the Fair Work review, rejecting the recommendations to cut penalty rates.

    “The commission’s recommendations are out of step with Australian values, out of touch with the modern lives of working people, and would compromise future economic and productivity growth,” Mr Oliver said…

  110. December 24, 2015 12:43 am

    afr,,,,,,,,,,,,,,cut through the spin, employers want Sunday penalty rates reduced to lessen their labour costs and improve their profitability,,,,,,,,,,,#that.is.all

    afr,,,,,,,,,,,,,would restaurants, cafes and tourism operators take the benefits from reduced penalties and use them to employ more staff and give existing employees extra hours,(#nope.and.irrelevant) or would they pocket the profits?(#yep),,,,,,,,,,

    #hint, they only give shifts to workers BECAUSE they need them

  111. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 24, 2015 8:49 am

    The thin edge of the wedge argument about Sunday penalty rates for occupations such as nursing doesn’t stack up.

    Nurses are in such short supply that many hospitals come up with all sorts of rostering patterns to attract and retain them. Nurses already opt out of working shifts they don’t like – many opt out of the job all together.

    Many only work nights and weekends because of the penalties. Reduce them and nurses just won’t be available. Therefore the penalties won’t be reduced for occupations like nursing.

    The circumstances for hospitality workers is entirely different.

  112. Walrus permalink
    December 24, 2015 8:53 am

    “……..#it is big `machinery` with `drivers`, and will always need human `eyes` inspecting despite automation, #ditto.airports …………”

    LOL………..next it will be from a control room in India

  113. Walrus permalink
    December 24, 2015 8:55 am

    “………#and did you notice `twiggy` has been bleating he can`t make money since he got his robots? ………”

    Lets see the Link where Twiggy blames Fortescue’s problems on robots

    I’ll just wait here………

  114. Walrus permalink
    December 24, 2015 9:18 am

    “?,,,,,#wrong……#it is big `machinery` with `drivers`, and will always need human `eyes` inspecting despite automation, #ditto.airports ….”

    Seems at least God was on your side last year……….LOL

    “…….The switch to automation will result in Patrick laying off 270 of its 511 workers at the port. Patrick has already made some wharfies redundant over the past year…….”

    Goodbye and get fucked wharfies …………….redundancy could not have happened to a nicer bunch of arseholes………..

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/port-botany-wharfies-jobs-reprieve-after-robot-cranes-damaged-in-storm-20140206-324mb.html

    And Port Botany now…………….

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2015 9:20 am

    LOL………..next it will be from a control room in India

    And you think that’s “funny” …

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2015 9:23 am

    Goodbye and get fucked wharfies …………….redundancy could not have happened to a nicer bunch of arseholes………..

    Have you ever considered what happens when no-one works? Or indeed, has to work …

    What you are saying is that we are heading towards a socialist society …

    Ever considered that solar power systems are “robot” energy producers? Without environmental impact?

  117. Walrus permalink
    December 24, 2015 9:24 am

    No penalty rates here…………………….

    “And you think that’s “funny” …”

    I’m laughing at the stupidity of your arguments

  118. Walrus permalink
    December 24, 2015 9:29 am

    “Ever considered that solar power systems are “robot” energy producers? ”

    What a stupid argument.

    Since when was man made pedal power used to power a City ?

  119. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 24, 2015 9:30 am

    For Christmas, Fifi’s family will come to Casa Del Sol Studio and Dance Club.

    ***Great*** there goes my wine cellar.

    Bring a bottle of Minchinbury but drink Mumm all day.

    Bring a Rawson’s Retreat but drink 4 bottles of Bin 398

    Welcome to Christmas!!

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2015 9:32 am

    toylet if you’re reading … Merry Xmas to you and yours! 😈

  121. Walrus permalink
    December 24, 2015 9:36 am

    “Have you ever considered what happens when no-one works? Or indeed, has to work … ”

    Oh………..you obviously forget………… there are millions of Green jobs for them….

    …….aren’t there ?????????????……….LOL

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2015 9:40 am

    What a stupid argument.

    Since when was man made pedal power used to power a City ?

    Pedal power? WTF? Where do your thoughts come from?

    BHP, Rio quietly exit coal: report
    Staff Reporter |
    3 Dec, 7:27 AM |

    Australia’s largest miners BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto have begun their exit from coal, quietly selling coal mines and appearing unlikely to approve new ones, according to The Australian Financial Review.

    Neither company has publicly stated their position to exit the thermal coal market, but activist outfit 350.org chief executive Blair Palese said: “BHP and Rio have pretty much got out of thermal coal, but most people in Australia, particularly the politicians, have not woken up to this fact,” according to the report.

    The AFR report also cites analysts who say BHP and Rio want to reduce thermal coal investments but don’t want to jeopardise mine sales by signalling they think coal has no future.

    Rio’s thermal coal production has fallen 85 per cent since 2008, while BHP’s has halved.

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/news/2015/12/3/resources-and-energy/bhp-rio-quietly-exit-coal-report

    And the one comment sounds desperately like Wally …

    Michael
    Dec 9, 2015

    Lots of speculations and quotes from the self-interested, but awfully short on factual evidence.

    Of course thermal coal sales have reduced, China has reduced its intake and India hasn’t grown as fast as expected.

    If you don’t keep moving the past will bite you on the bum!

    From water power, to steam power, to sun power …

    Fossil Fools … Death of a Dinosaur …

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2015 9:44 am

    … drink Mumm all day

    Our xmas dinner today … Mumm’s the go here too! (Picked up 2 doz for $36 a bottle!)

    Fk that Bowler’s Run for xmas! 🙂

  124. Walrus permalink
    December 24, 2015 9:50 am

    Well that’s news to Rio……….

    “………Mr Jacques would not discuss whether Rio was planning an exit from the troubled commodity, but stressed the long-term fundamentals and demand for the troubled commodity still looked good.

    “Is coal part of Rio Tinto today? The answer is yes,……..”

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/mining/coal/no-coal-price-recovery-for-a-long-long-time-says-rio-tinto-20150509-ggy3m0#ixzz3vBfLdxsb
    Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook

    “There is no doubt that the world needs more energy, and big chunk of it will come from thermal coal. The big question is , where does Australia fit in this?”

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/business/mining/coal/no-coal-price-recovery-for-a-long-long-time-says-rio-tinto-20150509-ggy3m0#ixzz3vBf3105x
    Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook

    http://www.afr.com/business/mining/coal/no-coal-price-recovery-for-a-long-long-time-says-rio-tinto-20150509-ggy3m0

  125. Walrus permalink
    December 24, 2015 9:51 am

    “Pedal power? WTF? Where do your thoughts come from?”

    WTF……you’re the one equating manpower from humans to a solar energy panel

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2015 10:21 am

    WTF……you’re the one equating manpower from humans to a solar energy panel

    OK let me spell it out for you … again …

    The biggest problem facing solar power in particular but the energy industry in general is energy storage – batteries to you or fuel cells) …

    The boffins are on the verge of some massive breakthroughs … one this happens solar farms won’t just spring up in the desert … they’ll cover it!

    Problem for coal miners and power station workers … and solar system production won’t need more workers …

    Mass unemployment as we move into the digital age proper will cause serious social problems … for everyone not just the rich and stupid … or stupidly rich …

    One of the reasons experiments are continuing with the “basic income guarantee” (BIG)

    Look it up … you’ll love the concept … problem is its actually had some successes …

  127. Walrus permalink
    December 24, 2015 10:26 am

    “Look it up … you’ll love the concept … problem is its actually had some successes …”

    No you are wrong…….I know about it and hate the concept.

    It will simply drive up prices much like 1st Home Buyer Grants do

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2015 10:30 am

    Wally, here’s a Starter for your journey into BIG …

    http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-mincome-experiment-dauphin

    Please read it carefully before you comment … there are also a few interesting, embedded links …

    As you read think of the world that other people have to live in … not our world of privilege and comfort …

    I have to prep for our Xmas Dinner now but I’ll be interested in your observations (back later) … ’tis the holiday season … so I thought it would be nice for both of us to have an adult and intelligent conversation and save the world together … 🙂

    Merry Christmas …

  129. A.I. Ledger permalink
    December 24, 2015 10:30 am

    The priest of the parish has lost his considering cap, and some say this and some say that, but I say….

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2015 10:34 am

    No you are wrong…….I know about it and hate the concept.

    Well that buggered my last comment right up …

    Joy, Love and Peace in the World … *

  131. Walrus permalink
    December 24, 2015 10:44 am

    “………so I thought it would be nice for both of us to have an adult and intelligent conversation and save the world together … :)……….”

    Dont you go anywhere…………I was just starting to enjoy “firing you up”……………..LOL

    As Toilet says………………………….I like to make the Monkeys dance

    🙂

  132. Walrus permalink
    December 24, 2015 11:02 am

    “I have to prep for our Xmas Dinner now but I’ll be interested in your observations (back later)”

    Thanks for the reminder to take 2 lamb shoulders and a massive slab of pork belly out of the freezer for tomorrow

  133. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 24, 2015 11:57 am

    Nurses are in such short supply that many hospitals come up with all sorts of rostering patterns to attract and retain them.

    Sounds lovely, wish I could have that, it’s not my reality.

    Nurses work punishing rosters to suit the business model, they can do three different shifts in three days. We all know of the impacts upon health that shiftwork has and I can tell you that it is budget driven rostering and the only choice nurses get is to resign or transfer to somewhere like outpatients or day surgery where there is no shiftwork involved. There is always ‘family flexible rostering’ advertised but in practice it doesn’t happen, there is bullying, peer and employer pressure imposed on anyone who would insist on a personally tailored roster. I know of nurses who finish night duty at 7am and that is considered their day off and get rostered on an early shift the next day. I do not know of the wonderful rostering that you are talking about tomM. Most nurses end up going part-time because the stress, workloads and rostering are just too taxing to do for 40 hrs/wk without causing health and family problems.

    Many only work nights and weekends because of the penalties. Reduce them and nurses just won’t be available. Therefore the penalties won’t be reduced for occupations like nursing.

    They prefer to work ND and w/ends because the partner is home and they don’t have to pay for child care.
    If penalties are reduced, nurses won’t want to work nights and w/ends, why put yourself and family through the pain of continuous shiftwork, looking after others instead of your own when there is no financial incentive? The base pay is not huge [compared to male dominated occupations] it is only the penalties that make it worthwhile.

    There are rules to roster preferences and one of them is around insisting on the same shifts every week, it is not allowed. You only get a few special or ‘red requests’ per roster [say 5/month, less for part timers] and wherever I’ve worked you can’t request the days/shifts you want to work, only the ones you must have off. Nurses can’t choose to work every single w/end, others would soon complain that they don’t get them, it is shared, work two and have two off or a part combination. Some would like every w/end off to be with family, but they won’t get it. The budget will always comes first.

    Australia is officially closed for xmas 😉

    These people and most others have public holidays built into their salaries and awards, it is important to them NOT to be working public holidays and week-ends. So why expect the people who can’t have the days off to work for ordinary rates.

  134. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 24, 2015 12:01 pm

    Busy now, just in case I don’t get back, happy holiday season to one and all!

  135. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 24, 2015 12:44 pm

    It’s a pleasure doing business with you AO!

    Happy holidays to you and everyone else here!

  136. Walrus permalink
    December 24, 2015 12:55 pm

    Merry Christmas to all !

  137. Walrus permalink
    December 24, 2015 12:57 pm

    Do youse like me hat ?

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    December 24, 2015 12:59 pm

    Even reindeer will have a to find as new job …

    And Santa’s undergone a sex-change … what’s the world coming to …

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 24, 2015 1:26 pm

    The backbencher for ‘keeping everything the same’ and holding back the tide of social progress always alert and sniffing the breeze for any kind of progressive thought or deed [unless it comes from neoliberal zealots]. Yes, I can see a very similar story about colonial australia and abbott defends that history absolutely.

    Is moral vanity as bad as arrogant, self vanity?

    Oxford University risks ‘damaging its standing’ if it pulls down Cecil Rhodes statue, warns Tony Abbott
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/oxford-university-risks-damaging-its-standing-if-is-pulls-down-cecil-rhodes-statue-warns-tony-abbott-a6784536.html

    …Former Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott warns that Oxford University would “damage its standing as a great university” if it bowed to pressure to pull down a public statue commemorating African colonialist Cecil Rhodes.

    Mr Abbott, himself a Rhodes scholar at the university in the 1980s, told The Independent that Oxford would be substituting “moral vanity for fair-minded enquiry” by allowing the statue to be pulled down…

    …Rhodes is seen by some as the founding father of apartheid and accused by students of harbouring racist and colonialist views…

    …In response, Brian Kwoba, a 33-year-old doctoral student at Oxford and one of the campaign’s organisers, said: “Cecil Rhodes is responsible for all manner of stealing land, massacring tens of thousands of black Africans, imposing a regime of unspeakable labour exploitation in the diamond mines and devising pro-apartheid policies…

    Prime Minister for Indigenous Affairs? Hardly
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-12/graham-prime-minister-for-indigenous-affairs/4951900

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    December 25, 2015 1:08 am

    WoW!

    Xmas dinner with lots of laughter and fun!

    Hope you all enjoy the same camaraderie …

    Gave the big lads darts … and the rest played a new raunchy card game … very christmassy time … luvved it …

    … out tomorrow with daughter’s in-laws, for a buffet dinner …

    Feeling really good …

    … best start to the Xmas holiday for many years …

    Merry Xmas to youse all … 🙂

    As someone here might say … 😉

  141. December 25, 2015 6:57 am

    THE DAILY BLIB

    XMAS EDITION

    Xmas is a time for giving, as we all know. But hasn`t it been good to see the spirit of `giving` around canberra has been entrenched well beyond xmas in recent years.

    We all remember a couple of years ago, when the zombies received the gift that just keeps `giving`, when the team ignored membership wisdom and put blib in charge after a couple of rounds of spectacular self-implosion.

    Not to be out-done in the art of `giving`, this week the zombies have leaked their desire to run their reheated slave-choice fetish against low-paid working people, confident they won`t lose another `un-losable` election.

    Merry xmas all, and rest assured canberra hasn`t forgotten you either, they will return sooner than we would like, `giving` us all the shits!

  142. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 27, 2015 1:39 pm

    Well that was all fun.

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2015 5:23 pm

    Noice to see you came out the other end unscathed, ToM … 🙂

    That’s an assumption of course … 😉

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2015 5:29 pm

    Professional journalism at its best for 2015 …

    The pilot then steered the plane began heading northwest to the Malaysian capital.

    Passengers were told not about the mix-up.

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/investigation-into-malaysia-airlines-plane-that-took-a-strange-flight-path/news-story/2a01fd46bf54bccf7c1a09f514f947a4

    Another nail in Malaysia Airlines … rather large … coffin … 😦

  145. December 27, 2015 5:43 pm

    THE DAILY BLIB

    BELATED BOXING DAY EDITION

    The 26th is `Boxing Day`, the bearer of the tradition of retail sales that give the public the first opportunity after xmas to go totally ape-shit to purchase the junk they didn`t receive as xmas gifts at supposedly much reduced prices. Frenzy time.

    Boxing Day also has a secondary function, where unsatisfied gift receivers return their gifts to it`s box or packaging, then return these gifts to the retailer, `it`s actually the function that gave the day it`s name` says Tyler Durden, assistant manager of retailer David Jones Moonee Ponds store.

    Durden says `David Jones policy is to refund with receipt, and always accept returns for store credit for an unwanted xmas gift returned in original packaging, as a matter of good-will to all David Jones customers.`

    Durden then went on to say, `Some customers unfortunately try to abuse David Jones xmas store credit policy by trying to return products that David Jones does not even sell, for example, a couple of hours ago a group of high-profile men tried to return an unwanted leader, even tho David Jones never sold them their blib, it`s just not a product-line we carry`

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 27, 2015 6:01 pm

    unscathed is a big assumption TB

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2015 7:32 pm

    … unscathed is a big assumption TB …

    You assume I don’t pick my words deliberately, Tommy! 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    BELATED BOXING DAY EDITION

    Sorry for your loss, tbagz …

    … bearer of the tradition of retail sales …

    Actually that’s not true …

    `it`s actually the function that gave the day it`s name` says Tyler Durden, assistant manager of retailer David Jones Moonee Ponds store.

    And this pure David Jones bullshit … one of the reasons I haven’t purchased from the snooty, my shit don’t stink Dickheads for decades …
    I bet Tyler is 30 something FFS!

    … and simple interwebby search would give you the simplest history of “boxing day”… and that means Tyler and tbagz …

    Boxing Day is a holiday traditionally celebrated the day following Christmas Day, when servants and tradesmen would receive gifts, known as a “Christmas box”, from their masters, employers or customers,[1] in the United Kingdom,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_Day

    I did find the quotes with no link interesting … again …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_Durden

    GMAFB!

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    December 27, 2015 8:48 pm

    Soon after the involvement began, it was reported that Kabaeva, who retired as the winningest female rhythmic gymnast in history,

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/inside-vladimir-putins-family-secrets/news-story/8d364c5b87657f699b3e14f021517604

    Is “winningest” a word? Well yes it is … if you live in the land of the free* … doughnuts … and coffee …

    “winningest”? FMD!

  149. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 28, 2015 12:46 am

    A couple of interesting reads

    The man who exposed the lie of the war on drugs:
    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/dec/26/man-who-exposed-lie-war-on-drugs-roberto-saviano-ed-vulliamy

    …Roberto Saviano already lives under armed guard after writing about the Neapolitan mafia. Now he is determined to uncover capitalism’s complicity with the narco-lords of South America…

    …“If you’re selling diamonds, you have to get them authenticated, licensed – cocaine, no. Whatever you have, whatever the quality, you can sell it immediately. You are in perfect synthesis with the everyday life and ethos of the global markets – and the ignorance of politicians in the west to understand this is staggering. The European world, the American world, don’t understand these forces, they don’t have the will to understand narco-traffic.”…

    When did it become acceptable to remove rights and freedoms from of all of us to protect from the threatened actions of a few? Unbelievable apathy and acquiescence to authority from australians.

    The growing assault on our democratic rights
    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-growing-assault-on-the-democratic-rights-of-australians-20151223-gltv70

    …This is especially a problem in Australia. We are unique among Western nations in lacking a national bill of rights or human rights act. In our system, rights usually exist only as long as they have not been taken away. This is not an issue if politicians exercise self-restraint, but if that disappears even the most important rights become vulnerable…

  150. December 28, 2015 4:38 pm

    THE DAILY BLIB

    CAN`T GET NO SATISFACTION EDITION

    Swoon baby swoon, talkbull has lifted the ­teabag’s primary vote across all states, with his strongest gains in Western Australia, boltsville and bananaland, according to an analysis of Newspoll surveys conducted exclusively for The Aus­tralian between October and this month.

    boltsville had been Labor’s strongest state when mr-rabbit was in power, but since the change to talkbull in September it has become the opposition’s weakest.

    The plunge suggests Labor-held marginal seats of McEwen and Bendigo, as well as Chisholm and Bruce where long-time MPs are retiring, are at risk.

    The analysis, based on Newspoll surveys of 8013 people across the nation, also reveals blib’s satisfaction rating in his home state has crashed 14 points since this time last year to 25 per cent, the lowest for any federal ­opposition leader in boltsville in 12 years. In the canoe-state, blib’s satisfaction has slumped to a record low of 24 per cent.

    talkbull, who ousted mr-rabbit in a partyroom challenge just over 100 days ago, has in some cases doubled the voter satisfaction levels for his predecessor and reversed the government’s fortunes to give it a two-party-­preferred lead in every state, except the canoe-state. The change has been most dramatic in boltsville, where Labor’s primary vote has dived eight points to a four-year low of 33 per cent. It is the second worst result for the ALP in boltsville since the Newspoll time series began in 1996.

    the `team`s primary vote has fallen below 40 per cent in every state.

    blib’s net satisfaction rating was almost the reverse, ranging from minus 26 points in WA and minus 35 points in bananaland. blib’s satisfaction rating was below 30 per cent in every state.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/newspoll/shorten-in-a-parlous-state-as-turnbull-turns-victoria-on-labor/news-story/aef74f5f77fd262e14bfa542df200d7a?nk=530c86560ab99bf57bfbc178ccc1fb3a-1451278940

  151. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 28, 2015 11:52 pm

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 29, 2015 10:48 am

    So AO, do you think a company should pay tax on nil profit? How much tax should be paid?

  153. December 29, 2015 11:50 am

    lt is much better to increase the boardroom-bonus, mythical `license-fees` and use `off-shoring` tricks to `ensure` nil-profits are obtained in the market being `extracted` from. #yaay.boardroom

  154. December 29, 2015 5:19 pm

    bagz,,,,,,,#and did you notice `twiggy` has been bleating he can`t make money since he got his robots?,,,,,,,

    blubbering,,,,,,Twiggy blames Fortescue’s problems on robots,,,,#WRONG.not.the.point

    #twiggy is bleating even tho he got rid of lots of workers for robots #NOT.magic.bullet

    blubbering,,,,,,Seems at least God was on your side last year .. .. LOL,,,,,,

    #you may be counting pre-hatched chickens, until the straddles are up`n running, we won`t actually KNOW if the company-claims of placing the containers onto trucks`n railroad ACTUALLY stack-up, or whether more often than not, the straddles need to be switched from `automatic` to `driver` to enable containers to be a `secured` load

    #btw, keep your `dog` to ya`self:-)

  155. December 29, 2015 6:11 pm

    teebz,,,,,,basic income guarantee (BIG) Look it up .. you`ll love the concept,,,,,,

    blubbers,,,,,,I know about it and hate the concept,,,,,,

    #teebz, ya`set ya`self up for that one sonny-jim:-)

    #however, without an explainer, this,

    blubbers,,,,,It will simply drive up prices much like 1st Home Buyer Grants do,,,,,

    #just smells like teabag obstructionism, as usual

    #after reading some of the `dauphin` project, l don`t really like it either, yes, yes, yes, l agree that invalid, elderly, medical, jobless pensions should all be high enough to live as `normally` as possible in any country

    #where is falls-over for me is the `working-poor`, low-paid aspect, where the `dauphin` program is basically `subsidizing` a type of corporate-slavery

    #l much prefer as many as possible citizens to have full-time, living-wage jobs so that the worker/consumer can participate `financially` more fully in the `economic` side of life, which leads to them participating more fully in other choices in life, (meaning, a man only earning enough to pay rent, electric and food, won`t be buying a car)

  156. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 29, 2015 8:34 pm

    So AO, do you think a company should pay tax on nil profit? How much tax should be paid?

    It’s how they got to ‘nil profit’ that is the issue.
    Their fair share, is how much.

    Can ordinary PAYE workers hide income and re-structure their affairs in a low tax country to avoid paying their tax obligations? No chance, they have the tax taken out before they even get their pay.

    I want to see them all named and shamed.

    http://www.afr.com/business/banking-and-finance/investment-banking/private-equity-sweats-on-tax-ruling-20100524-ivho6

    …The ATO’s actions against TPG are twofold: to stop so-called “treaty shopping” (basing businesses in low tax jurisdictions); and to argue that private equity’s normal business is generating ordinary income, not capital gains, which are generally exempt for foreigners and taxed concessionally for domestic owners.

    The ATO launched court action against TPG within days of the Myer float and froze bank accounts in an attempt to recover $452 million in tax and $226 million in penalty interest relating to the $2.3 billion sale of Myer, only to discover the funds had left Australia…

    …Interestingly, the US has also moved this month to clarify that private equity profits are ordinary income rather than capital gains…

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/healthscope-pays-no-tax-on-2b-revenue-20151217-glpw47#ixzz3vhOju5FJ

    …In 2013-14, Healthscope – which was a private company until its July 2014 public floats – owned Australia’s third-largest pathology group behind market leaders Sonic Healthcare and Primary Healthcare. Its taxable income was reduced to zero because of previous year tax losses incurred under the private equity capital structure put in place by its former owners, private equity firms TPG and Carlyle….

  157. December 29, 2015 8:41 pm

    Saw on telly there`s train-wreckage and acid-spill in bananaland teebz, l noticed that `human-error` RE train-crew is not being screeched at maximum, could this be because a very high level of `automation` (decided by the boardroom) was involved

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    December 29, 2015 8:42 pm

    #l much prefer as many as possible citizens to have full-time, living-wage jobs so that the worker/consumer can participate …. (meaning, a man only earning enough to pay rent, electric and food, won`t be buying a car)

    Then you didn’t grasp the concept that people can STILL do that … that’s why its called a “living wage” … people in Oz may argue that we have a minimum wage … but its not the same …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Its taxable income was reduced to zero because of previous year tax losses incurred under the private equity capital structure put in place by its former owners, private equity firms TPG and Carlyle….

    And a glaring example of why health and education in particular should never be privatised … I reckon insurance falls into that category and so does superannuation …

  159. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 29, 2015 8:44 pm

  160. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 29, 2015 8:44 pm

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    December 29, 2015 8:45 pm

    Saw on telly there`s train-wreckage and acid-spill in bananaland teebz, l noticed that `human-error` RE train-crew is not being screeched at maximum, could this be because a very high level of `automation` (decided by the boardroom) was involved

    Yer, right tbagz … re “human error” not being screeched as usual … what concerns me is the AMOUNT of acid on ONE train … it should have been shipped in smaller doses … another case of dollars against human life, methinks!

  162. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 29, 2015 8:58 pm

    It’s only been sat on for a month, the media MIA again.

  163. December 29, 2015 9:14 pm

    tb,,,,the AMOUNT of acid on ONE train .. it should have been shipped in smaller doses,,,,

    #yeah agree, (Let`s hope it cleaned-up plenty of cane toads)

    +

    tb,,,,people in Oz(#teabags) may argue that we have a minimum wage .. but its not the same,,,,,#absolutely.agree

    tb,,,,you didn`t grasp the concept,,,,,#l think l did

    #hint, you even copied this in reply(below)

    bagz,,,,#l much prefer as many as possible citizens to have full-time, living-wage jobs,,,,

    #l`m not trying to say l read all the details, l didn`t, but as you would be well aware, give corporate-slackers half a chance to rip-off their workforce, 99% of them will, particularly those barely on the bottom economic rung (eg current retail and restaurant staff)

  164. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 29, 2015 9:14 pm

  165. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 29, 2015 9:51 pm

  166. December 29, 2015 10:09 pm

    tweet,,,,,,Fundamentl flaw in our democratic system is that media, far from holding power to account, shamefully serves it or merely cringes before it,,,,,,,

    #gatekeepers.from.the.truth

    #lt`s good to see the twitter`ers giving teabag-media a serve:-) l just don`t recall where l`ve seen similar `sentiments` expressed:-)

  167. Tony permalink
    December 29, 2015 10:17 pm

    This is about as good as landscape painting gets. Click on the image and check out the detail. You might be surprised.

    Arthur Streeton, ‘The purple noon’s transparent might’, 1896.

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2015 10:33 am

    Click on the image and check out the detail. You might be surprised.

    I think it was a decade ago when I first saw a message like that, ToSY … after chasing a hybrid trojan for two days … I vowed never to do it again …

    Clever play on words … ‘The purple noon’s transparent might’

  169. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 30, 2015 2:33 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/30/trade-union-royal-commission-recommends-new-body-curb-corruption

    So unions are full of thugs. Who on earth would have thought that!!??

    It is clear that in many parts of the world constituted by Australian trade union officials, there is room for louts, thugs, bullies, thieves, perjurers, those who threaten violence, errant fiduciaries and organisers of boycotts,”

  170. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 30, 2015 2:45 pm

    So unions are full of thugs. Who on earth would have thought that!!??

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/30/trade-union-royal-commission-recommends-new-body-curb-corruption

    ..The report said workers were left worse off by the deal, which was in exchange for the company making a large donation to the union…

    A bit like the tax avoiding company that paid no tax into our economy because it made ‘no profit’, yet managed to donate a large sum to the liberal party. It’s not only workers who are worse off in that case, it’s all taxpayers.

    …Commission recommends a new body to stamp out corruption…

    Was there ever any doubt?

  171. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 30, 2015 2:51 pm

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2015 2:55 pm

    So unions are full of thugs. Who on earth would have thought that!!??

    Written by a couple of government puppets … one of them paid millions of taxpayer dollars as a Liberal mouthpiece while corrupting the legal profession at the same time …

    Just watching the Punch & Judy show on TV … noice to see Milkum Turnbull making “the unions stronger” … thrice … duh!

    Comedy script … lousy actors …

  173. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2015 2:57 pm

    … response based on “opinion” and not evidence or fact.

    Indeed a farce from beginning to end …

  174. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 30, 2015 3:00 pm

  175. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 30, 2015 3:03 pm

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 30, 2015 3:10 pm

    Well, I can scarcely believe the ACTU would call bias.

    I mean they’re so impartial.

  177. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 30, 2015 3:14 pm

    …I mean they’re so impartial…

    About as impartial as heydon and the libs I’d say.

  178. Model Regulations permalink
    December 30, 2015 3:30 pm

    Who on earth would have thought that!!??

    A majority of fair-minded observers?

  179. December 30, 2015 3:43 pm

    unions,,,,are full of thugs. Who on earth would have thought,,,,,,,

    #l know. lt`s terrible!!! Won`t anybody think of all the children they have willfully, negligently, murdered??? #grocon #teabags

  180. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 30, 2015 3:49 pm

    …A majority of fair-minded observers?…

    I like the history lesson re ‘majority’ MR

    hehe

    …This year, Plain English Foundation added a new category to its annual list: the worst sentence of the year. A close runner-up was Dyson Heydon, explaining why he won’t step down as a Royal Commissioner in the best tradition of the double negative:

    “I have concluded that it is not the case that a fair-minded lay observer might apprehend that I might not bring an impartial mind to the resolution of the questions which the work of the Commission requires to be decided.”

    Glad he cleared that up….

  181. December 30, 2015 3:54 pm

    tweet,,,,Senate C’ttee: CBA systematically defrauded customers for 10+ years. Call for RC. CBA big Liberal Party donor. Corminator says NO RC,,,,,,

    #cba systematically targeted `elderly-pensioners`, yet the teabags refuse for having a `royal-comm`, another example for team-repug to consider in any future push, as this cba type fraud will entrench deeper if not considered

  182. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 30, 2015 3:58 pm

  183. December 30, 2015 5:05 pm

    THE TALKBULL SWOONER

    LOOK WHO`S SWOONING NOW EDITION

    Swoon baby swoon, Turnbull led Shorten 58 per cent to 16 per cent as preferred PM in a December poll of women, The Australian reported. And every female age bracket preferred Turnbull over Shorten.

    Male voters preferred him over Shorten even more than women, 64 per cent to 17 per cent, in the recent Newspolls. Swoon Laddie Swoon.

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/12/29/turnbull-popular-ladies/

  184. December 30, 2015 6:44 pm

    THE DAILY BLIB

    SHRIVELING GRUB EDITION

    For some time now around Canberra, it has become widely known that blib is a man of small ideas, presented in a small suit. The lesser of blib`s problems is his small stature and small suit. The small ideas tho, that`s another thing. Having come from a previous environment where his performance was bigger, his results was bigger, and he was bigger within the union movement, blib has done little but shrivel since 2009.

    Having been foisted upon the public as opposition leader, blib chose to play the frightened `small-target` role on a near daily basis, only pausing to agree with the teabags.

    Each day, as blib played his `small-target` role, blib day by day shriveled a little bit more. The shriveling of blib has gone totally un-noticed by outdated-media, as blib has shriveled to the point of `disappearance` since parliament closed for xmas. Nobody has noticed. Not even the public.

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    December 30, 2015 9:31 pm

    Now I know why Howard banned guns … so we couldn’t have a real TURCkey shoot!

    What a load of hogwash … watching Turncoat and Carmichael was like a watching a B Grade mid-day film … acting atrocious, directing miserable, script abominable, sets and scenery cliché …

    The director Dyson Heydon has now retired on the lump sum payout I believe … something he should have done a century ago … !

    – ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐

  186. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 30, 2015 11:20 pm

    The year of furious laughter, good times! Personally, I think knighting sir prince phil, poor indonesians collecting $ for canberra, putin’s warships off australia after the ‘shirtfront’ fiasco and border farce’s melbourne big day out should be in there 🙂

    The 40 most Onion-like Australian politics headlines of 2015:
    https://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/evan-williams/2015/08/2015/1449549083/40-most-onion-australian-politics-headlines-2015

    …So please savour this list of utterly ridiculous Australian politics headlines. Palm your face extra hard while reading, for old times sake. It might be a while before you mistake the Age for the Onion.

    Public servants banned from wearing ugg boots, onesies

    Julie Bishop answers Thermomix question by becoming human emoji

    Tony Abbott says he went too far likening Bill Shorten to Nazi Goebbels

    Bronwyn Bishop spends $5,000 on 80km charter helicopter flight from Melbourne to Geelong

    Treasurer Joe Hockey is paid the same amount as Newstart, $1000 a month, to sleep at his wife’s house

    Eric Abetz and Cory Bernardi rack up a bill to attend anti-government waste do

    Joe Hockey announces 50-centimetre extension of Parap pool which Darwin City Council says is already too long

    Leaked talking points tell ministers to say ‘our cabinet is functioning exceptionally well’

    LNP to host International Women’s Day function at club that only allows men

    Attorney-General George Brandis busted reading poetry books during estimates hearing

    Christopher Pyne refuses to say how he ‘fixed’ higher education reform bill: ‘I want it to be a surprise for you’

    Australian Border Force: Peter Dutton says his office received copy of press release, but no-one read it

    Eric Abetz says lots of gay men don’t want to marry, citing Dolce and Gabbana

    Johnny Depp’s dogs Boo and Pistol could be put down if they stay in Australia, Barnaby Joyce warns

    Australian minister: ‘Gay marriage could damage our cattle exports’

    Abbott government pledges to appoint a wind farm commissioner in leaked letter

    Abbott regrets not halting clean energy more

    This koala hugged Vladimir Putin. Now Russia wonders whether Australia killed it

    Tony Abbott’s senior adviser accuses UN of creating climate change hoax to impose ‘new world order’

    Indigenous affairs adviser to PM ‘sorry’ for Confederate flag costume and ‘unaware’ of US outrage

    Communications Minister is hopeful ‘all should be good’ and NBN satellite won’t blow up on launch

    Joe Hockey’s advice to first homebuyers – get a good job that pays good money

    Joe Hockey raises prospect of Australians living until 150 to justify budget cuts

    Australia senator threatens to grab PM’s testicles over mining row

    Jacqui Lambie likens the Greens to Islamic State in joke to mining industry

    Liberal MP and new mum Kelly O’Dwyer told to express more breast milk to avoid missing votes in the chamber

    Bill Shorten crashes into parked cars in Melbourne after ‘spilling coffee’

    Labor’s Anthony Albanese to drop beats at DJ set next week

    Liberal Senator Cory Bernardi mistakenly quotes American neo-Nazi

    ‘Learn to speak Australian’: Liberal Senator under fire for insensitive remark – but he insists it is ‘political correctness gone mad’

    David Leyonhjelm unapologetic about calling Julia Gillard a ‘mangy dog’

    Clive Palmer’s dinosaur Jeff destroyed by fire at Palmer Coolum Resort

    Clive Palmer to headline Queensland Poetry Festival

    Prime Minister eats another raw onion, choosing it over caramelised onion quiche

    Kyle Sandilands more popular than Tony Abbott in The Encore Score’s new celebrity poll

    Tony Abbott goes topless at wild farewell party after being ousted by new PM Malcolm Turnbull

    Tony Abbott ‘resigned as Prime Minister by fax’

    Liberal MP hits out, says ‘get a life’ after revelations of Abbott’s ‘Monkey Pod’ gatherings

    Federal MP hurt leg ‘crash tackling’ Tony Abbott

    Tony Abbott buys a fridge on Gumtree…

    [Evan Williams’ book Australian Leader Eats Raw Onion Whole: Headlines from the government that broke satire is out via Black Inc]

  187. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 31, 2015 12:17 am

    Why is no one questioning the TURC narrative?
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-22/long-why-is-no-one-questioning-the-turc-narrative/6868102

    …In an affidavit provided to the royal commission, an Irish backpacker alleges tactics at Lis-Con as shameful as those at 7-11: migrant workers housed two or three to a bedroom, on couches and on the floor in “Lis-Con houses”; workers systematically underpaid; subjected to bullying, intimidation, standover tactics and unsafe work practices; hired as sham contractors; paid in ways that illegally sidestepped visa requirements; and told that if they joined the union, they’d get the sack. A Lis-Con representative rejected some of the allegations, while others went untested at the royal commission.

    The affidavit form the whistleblower is publicly available, though Dyson Heydon considered it outside the terms of reference and declined to call him as a witness…

  188. Walrus permalink
    December 31, 2015 8:30 am

    “So unions are full of thugs. Who on earth would have thought that!!??”

    And why is this Union witch hunt actually recommending prosecutions of company officials ?

    It’s a all just a biased Union witch hunt they shouldn’t be doing that sort of thing

  189. Walrus permalink
    December 31, 2015 8:33 am

    It’s all so biased the Courts which are independent of the Legislature are sure to have nothing to do with it.

    I mean purchasing a couple of vehicles worth $150K for private use with Union money…………………..well what’s wrong with that ?

  190. Tom of you permalink
    December 31, 2015 9:48 am

    Yeah!
    …and what’s wrong with blackmail and illegal boycotts. It’s totally partisan when people expect unions to comply with the law!
    ——
    …and Grocon!! Those b*****d’s admitted guilt!!! They took all the fun out of prosecution!

  191. December 31, 2015 11:50 am

    onions,,,,are full of thugs. Who on earth would have thought,,,,,#onion.panic

    2319,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,workers systematically underpaid; subjected to bullying, intimidation, standover tactics and unsafe work practices; hired as sham contractors; paid in ways that illegally sidestepped visa requirements; and told that if they joined the union, they’d get the sack. A Lis-Con representative,,,,,,,,

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-22/long-why-is-no-one-questioning-the-turc-narrative/6868102

  192. December 31, 2015 11:54 am

    my.abc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,The essential context was all but ignored:

    that Lis-Con companies were three to four months in arrears in superannuation payments and owed workers close to $650,000 in unpaid entitlements.

    I know it’s an unfashionable point of view, but shouldn’t we be

    more concerned about a company underpaying superannuation to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars than by a super fund giving information to a union that wants to get that money paid?,,,,,,,,,,,,,#2319

  193. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 31, 2015 12:20 pm

    All of that [workers complaints] were outside the ToR teabagz, heydon didn’t want to know about any of it. Not even a pretence at being even handed and unbiased.

  194. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 31, 2015 12:24 pm

    …and what’s wrong with blackmail and illegal boycotts. It’s totally partisan when people expect unions to comply with the law!

    As far as I’m concerned, there should not be any illegal boycotts, if capital can strike anytime they like, then so should workers, anything else is state enforced slavery.

  195. December 31, 2015 12:47 pm

    armchair,,,,,,outside the ToR teabagz,,,,,,

    #when we live in a sham-democracy, financed by a sham-tax-system, have parliaments claiming sham-achievements and starting sham-investigations with sham-ToR`s, can we `really` expect anything other than a sham-result #unsurprisement:-)

  196. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 31, 2015 1:13 pm

  197. December 31, 2015 1:23 pm

    funny you dropped that fatherbob tweet, l`m watching my abc, bob`s on the adam hills show

  198. December 31, 2015 1:41 pm

    my.abc,,,,,,Too many journalists have been willing to passively receive the narrative as laid down by the royal commission,,,,,,

    my.abc,,,,,,journalists, owe it to the public and our craft, to treat the evidence sceptically, probe the bona fides of those airing the allegations, and form some independent narratives out of this inquiry,,,,,

    #they`re catching-on, BUT WAY TOO SLOWLY

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 31, 2015 2:20 pm

    You’d think a personal troll could take the trouble to get facts straight.

  200. December 31, 2015 6:37 pm

    THE DAILY BLIB

    GOODBYE 2015 EDITION

    lt is here. The final hours of 2015, where parts of the country are burning and people`s property is going-up in smoke. To celebrate, capital cities around the country will be sending a combined 20-million bucks worth of fireworks up in smoke. Ironic aint it?

    lt was a wonderful year. 2015 was year that Australia showed not only the `world`, but also teh-usa that `any` imbecile could be propelled to the level of Prime-Meddler by an under-whelmed electorate, proving that Sheila Palin should have stayed in her Vice-Prez race back then, and proving the-Ronald has every chance in his at present. For once, for a short time, Australia was a true world leader.

    lt was not the year of the `dragon`, weasel or chook, 2015 was definitely year of the `shirt-fronting`, where heavy breathing and chest beating ruled supreme. The shirt-fronting always seemed to come with a large serve of blow-back, turning it into a mostly `self-shirt-fronting`, but hey, we enjoyed the machismo and media-swooning.

    Good-bye 2015. l will miss you. As you leave, please take blib with you.

  201. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 1, 2016 12:18 pm

    YEAH!!! It”s all a political beat up!!

    Bob Hawke has called on the Labor Party and the ACTU to consider cutting ties with the scandal-plagued Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union, while Paul Keating has warned that trade union influence inside the party must be reduced.

    The two former Labor prime ministers, who forged a historic partnership with unions to transform the economy a generation ago, have told The Australian they are appalled by the evidence of systemic union corruption, and urged union leaders to refocus on the national economic interest.

    Mr Hawke, who as prime minister deregistered the rogue ­Builders Labourers Federation in 1986, said Labor and the ACTU must embrace reforms to improve union governance and transparency.

  202. January 1, 2016 2:38 pm

    Happy new year from Penang!

  203. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 1, 2016 5:09 pm

    Happy new year reb [and all GTers] I wish i was there!

    …While Paul Keating has warned that trade union influence inside the party must be reduced

    Yes, it should, I don’t expect shorten to do anything about it, he was installed by the unions wasn’t he?.

    How should labor democratise the party without being disadvantaged to the libs who have the huge influence from the big wealthy business lobbies and donors [IPA etc]
    All libs MPs are hand-picked by the executive especially the staffers who get parachuted into electorates without the wishes of the members.

    Neither party has the democratic representation of voters that they claim, we are forced to participate in elections that produce an outcome for an elite political class who want to govern for their own interests not ours. I’m tired of these MPs with personal religious or other personal beliefs who are installed by the party machine to represent political lobbies.

    How can we get democratic reform from both parties and have true representation of the population rather then representation by vested interests/lobbies? It’s political donations and MP’s undisclosed affiliations that badly need reform.

    Can we change the electoral system?

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/cartellike-political-parties-resist-change-20150809-giuywk.html

  204. January 1, 2016 7:50 pm

    THE DAILY BLIB

    BRAND NEW 2016 EDITION

    Are we there yet? Yes, lt`s 2016. Happy new year teabags and may all your airport `friskings` be as friendly and pleasurable as you desire in 2016.

    ln canberra, 2016 will be the year the canberra-trolls show the public some love. lt`s only day one and the canberra-trolls are already showing the sick how much they love them by removing 17-over-counter medications from the `discount-system`. Yaay Full-price.

    But it`s not all doom`n gloom. So far, no sign of blib.

  205. January 1, 2016 8:10 pm

    “”we are forced to participate in elections that produce an outcome for an elite political class who want to govern for their own interests not ours””

    Hear hear!!

  206. January 1, 2016 8:46 pm

    age,,,,,,Australia suffers from the lowest levels of political party membership in the advanced world. Yet the cartel-like structure of our party-based system means they continue as viable entities. The party is over but the music keeps playing, turning Australia into a democracy without the people.,,,,,,

    #l liked this bit:-)

  207. January 1, 2016 8:55 pm

    age,,,,,,,,In most democracies, about 5 per cent of voters are party members. In Australia, the figure has dropped sharply to less than 2 per cent.

    If the Australian political parties operated in a competitive market like other organisations or companies, there is no way they would survive. So how do they get away with it? The short answer is that our party political system operates a lot like a cartel. A general lack of competitive pressure means they do not feel the heat to reform. Australia’s pathetic party funding and donation disclosure arrangements are further evidence of this cartel-like arrangement.,,,,,,,

    #so teabags and team-cheerers, 98% of us are NOT in ya`dumb-arse teams and they`re shit

  208. Outlook For Neighbours permalink
    January 2, 2016 12:05 am

    At every turn, the options presented simply presume that it is the ordinary citizen who should sacrifice in the name of the gods of economic management – whether that be through cuts to wages, key services such as health and education, or via an increase in that most regressive of taxes, the GST – while corporations are given a free pass in their relentless pursuit of tax and wage minimisation.

    All this means we are way past the point of merely worrying about broken election promises.

    What is being trashed now is the social contract itself, the founding promise of democratic society that says a government will manage things in the best interests of the many, not just the few.

    Tim Dunlop, No innovation in business as usual politics

  209. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 2, 2016 12:05 pm

    Seems that they think they’ll get their IR-penalty rates in on the back of the TURC/heydon RC. Double dissolution will be interesting.

    We will fight for the worker’ – Michaelia Cash threatens double dissolution: –
    http://nofibs.com.au/we-will-fight-for-the-worker-michaelia-cash-threatens-double-dissolution-qldaah-ausvotes-qldpol-auspol/#sthash.WSdTAwZU.dpuf

    …Federal Minister for Employment, Senator Michaelia Cash, has told the Sunrise program that the Turnbull Government has a trigger for a double dissolution election. A double dissolution would result in the full upper house being dissolved along with the lower house for an election.
    Cash told presenter, Andrew O’Keefe, that if the government could not get it’s Australian Building and Construction Commission (ABCC) legislation through the Senate, a general vote would be called on the issue.
    “The Prime Minister and I announced yesterday that when the Parliament resumes in February we will seek to immediately reintroduce the legislation to re-establish the Australian Building and Construction Commission,” she said…
    .

  210. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 2, 2016 12:18 pm

  211. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 2, 2016 12:47 pm

  212. January 2, 2016 4:15 pm

    dunlop.my.abc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,At every turn, the options presented simply presume that it is the ordinary citizen who should sacrifice in the name of the gods of economic management – whether that be through cuts to wages, key services such as health and education, or via an increase in that most regressive of taxes, the GST, while corporations are given a free pass in their relentless pursuit of tax and wage minimisation.,,,,,,,,,,,

    #this post looks like the dunlop critter has hoovered-up all my comments, most of teebz and armchairs comments

    #NONE OF `our` TEABAGS COMMENTS #wonder.why:-)

  213. January 2, 2016 4:42 pm

    g,,,,,,,The Australian Council of Trade Unions said the figures showed the country had `a revenue problem, driven by corporate tax avoidance,,,,,,,

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/17/ato-report-shows-nearly-600-big-companies-paid-no-tax-in-2013-14

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    January 2, 2016 5:39 pm

    Happily New Yeeeeers for 2016 …fellow Trashers !

    Just back from two nights at Somerset Dam in alovely rented house with friends and family … and a first for me … sitting outside around a fkn FIRE on NYE! In Queensland!

    Afknmazing!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just glanced at the comments below my last …

    LNP PLAN TO DEREGULATE NURSING HOMES!

    BIG WINNERS WILL BE BANKS & SHAREHOLDERS!

    ABYAN: Turnbull & Dutton mislead Australian people and Parliament!

    BRIGGS: Sexual Harrassment of the Worst Kind!

    BROUGH: Steps Aside!

    IR LEGISLATION: The Shrill Senator Cash “Helping” The Workers!

    No wonder Milkum Turncoat wants a way out of …

    “We will be going to an election next year,” he said.

    “I’m expecting it to be about this time, well perhaps November is getting a bit late, I would say around September, October next year is when you should expect the next election to be.”

    As his love affair with the Australian Electorate dissipates into loathing at being offered the same soggy fish and chips in used newspapers … just like Tones … they will wake up to the fact that he has smelly breathe, stinky armpits and his shit smells just anyone else’s … especially The Mad Abbott’s …

    Yeah, a DD is the way to go … please make it about IR issues … a subject area that Shorten may just have the background and balls to battle … Dickwits©

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    January 2, 2016 5:48 pm

    The assistant treasurer, Kelly O’Dwyer, said the Coalition had taken action to ensure the ATO had the powers it needed, and it was up to individual companies to explain why they had not paid tax in any particular year.

    “There are some reasons why it would be that some companies are not paying tax at all, particularly in circumstances where there might be losses,” she said. “Just because they don’t pay tax doesn’t mean that they are avoiding tax.”

    O’Dwyer pointed to the passage of multinational tax avoidance legislation in the final parliamentary sitting fortnight of the year, which gave the ATO greater powers to clamp down on contrived structures.

    “All of these companies are paying their fair share of tax and all of these companies are subject to our Australian taxation laws and our strengthened Australian taxation laws,” she said.

    And you wonder why a multi millionaire would want to be Prime Minister?

    Certainly not to help you or me … we have a revenue problem alright … obviously Blind Freddy isn’t a Liberal …

    Nothing has changed … target the sick, the frail, the elderly, the poor, the unemployed, the kids the uni students …

    Protect the Vacuum Economics making a few rich at the expense of the many … as society crumbles in a heap …

    What a joke democratic capitalism has become …

  216. Tom R permalink
    January 2, 2016 5:51 pm

    have told The Australian they are appalled by the evidence of systemic union corruption

    lolz, told the oz, AND, you believe it ROFL

    We will fight for the worker

    I know a few workers out at Elizabeth who can vouch for the libs ‘fighting’ style 😉 yeah, bring that one on

    #this post looks like the dunlop critter has hoovered-up all my comments

    That’s a horrible slur on Tim Dunlop

    Hey, Happy Xmas and a Merry New Year peeps

  217. Tony permalink
    January 2, 2016 6:05 pm

    “What is being trashed now is the social contract itself, the founding promise of democratic society that says a government will manage things in the best interests of the many, not just the few.”

    Really? Where can I find a copy of this contract? It sounds very specific. I’d also be interested to see who the signatories are.

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    January 2, 2016 6:11 pm

    Really? Where can I find a copy of this contract? It sounds very specific. I’d also be interested to see who the signatories are.

    Written contract or not … most ordinary Australians are being commercially raped … if your happy with that then whats’ yer problem?

  219. January 2, 2016 6:26 pm

    “if your happy with that then whats’ yer problem?”*

    Dunlop is using strawmen.

    The “social contract” he says is being trashed does not exist.

    He talks about big companies not paying tax but fails to point out those companies had no taxable income and were compliant with our tax laws. He also says they added nothing to the nation’s bottom line, without mentioning the people they employed and the money they invested.

    *I think you mean you’re.

  220. January 2, 2016 6:32 pm

    tinfoil`osy,,,,,,Where can I find a copy of this contract?,,,,,,,

    #dunlop borrowed it off blot, it is now back in limited-news archives with the rest of the `factoids`

  221. January 2, 2016 6:51 pm

    tinfoil`osy,,,,,,,they added nothing to the nation’s bottom line,(#tho they took business away from others that `may` have paid `some` tax) without mentioning the people they employed(#for the sole purpose of enriching themselves) and the money they invested(#for the sole purpose of enriching themselves),,,,,,,

    #not really much of an argument tinfoil`osy, particularly once `fully` expanded, remember, dunlop is being `critical` of govt `allowing` the bullshit, not the corp`s because they are using the `allowed` bullshit

  222. Tom R permalink
    January 2, 2016 6:58 pm

    What a joke democratic capitalism has become …

    Well, ours has anyway TB. And much of that blame can lie at the feet of our media, who jumped in to protect malcayman when it turned out he was using a tax haven to increase his wealth in a manner the average citizen just can’t.

    And see how other countries journalists take their representatives to task for the same

    François Hollande faces more embarrassment after it emerged that a close friend and treasurer for his presidential election campaign invested in offshore businesses in the Cayman Islands.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/04/francois-hollande-campaign-treasurer-offshore

  223. Tom R permalink
    January 2, 2016 7:05 pm

    without mentioning the people they employed and the money they invested.

    This would be those self same companies that make a handsome profit out of our high quality of life and stable and secure democracy, but want to reduce wages and send the tax burden the individuals way for their own self centered interests? Those companies? And those wages and taxes that provide the environment that in turn provides those profits?

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    January 2, 2016 7:10 pm

    He talks about big companies not paying tax but fails to point out those companies had no taxable income and were compliant with our tax laws.

    And there’s the rub … the laws need changing … but the Liberal government chooses to suck a few dollars millions of the general population … rather ensure a coiple of thousand companies pay a reasonable tax …

    He also says they added nothing to the nation’s bottom line, without mentioning the people they employed and the money they invested.

    That’s not adding to the bottom line … the employees pay tax on their earnings and GST … the companies don’t …

    Still if YER happy to defend dodgy company laws that’s yer problem not mine …

    Just being bloody minded is not really arguing any point …

    As I said, if you’re happy with that, why bother trying to defend something that’s not – according to you – wrong …

    20% tax across the board … no deductions … make a profit of $1m pay $200,000 …

    Earn $1000 pay $200 … no tax returns, no tax consultant fees, no accountant fees, fewer bureaucrats … everybody pays …

  225. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 2, 2016 9:52 pm

    I haven’t consented to any social contract and I’m not happy with the government’s interpretation of it either.

    The Social Contract:
    …But the idea of the social contract – that political authority is held through a contract with those to be ruled – began before Rousseau with the work of John Locke, Hugo Grotius and even Plato. We explore how an idea that burgeoned among the 17th century upheavals of the English civil war and then withered in the face of modern capitalist society still influences our attitude to government today…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/b008w3xm

    Contemporary Approaches to the Social Contract
    http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/contractarianism-contemporary/

  226. January 2, 2016 11:44 pm

    plato,,,,,,,in some way, the agreement (or consent) of all individuals subject to collectively enforced social arrangements shows that those arrangements have some normative property (they are legitimate, just, obligating, etc.),,,,,,,

    #this seems to sum it up for me armchair, tho l disagree with the long-winded egg-heads over-analyzing, and l would say `multiple-social-contracts`, topic by topic. For instance, teh-west basically `accepts` the `legal-system-social-contract` say on homicide, most citizens aren`t running around killing others, nor want to, neither are they `rioting` against the system.

    #when it comes to the `political-social-contract` that seems to be quite different in teh-west, tho not `rioting`, most citizens in most countries don`t see any point in voting as the lying pricks won`t deliver anyway, and citizens are basically `sick` of politicians trying to trick them into voting for them. Not really much `social-contract` here, evident by voter turn-outs in free-fall. Aust is only different because of `mandatory-registration`. (teh-usa calls 30% turn-out `high`)

  227. The People "Democracy" Employed permalink
    January 3, 2016 1:42 am

    The “social contract” he says is being trashed does not exist?

  228. Tony permalink
    January 3, 2016 9:02 am

    All is turning out as Julian Simon predicted.

  229. Tom R permalink
    January 3, 2016 10:18 am

  230. Tom R permalink
    January 3, 2016 12:34 pm

    The oz is in full spin mode this morning, slurring the women who was mistreated by briggs (after all but revealing her, I did read that they had actually printed her picture?) and sliming Shorten with the failed turc smear. sloane is a serial pest, who continues to use turc bullshit to link to Shorten

    But here’s the rub: the misconduct and potentially illegal behaviour of Melhem is connected with a number of deals that Shorten had initiated. Shorten may not have been responsible for the final details, but he knew the broad ­parameters of the arrangements that involved secretly dudding the workers but benefiting the union.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/judith-sloan/union-royal-commission-new-business-model-would-cut-unions-down-to-size/news-story/f6e991fb81116f2c7d2ffc398e3d0555

    Even though, as turc showed, the conditions were actually BETTER for the workers. Oh, and the misconduct, forged invoices etc were all to do with the companies internal politics, not the Unions, their documents were all above board. But, later in the article, she reveals, in her assumed glory, the REAL purpose of turc, and it’s recommendations.

    But the real story of the ­commission’s final report is the combined impact of the recommendations on destroying the current business model of the trade unions and, with it, the steady and substantial flow of funds to the Australian Labor Party.

    I mean, they aren’t even hiding it anymore. google the heading

    Union royal commission: new business model would cut unions down to size

    And, btw, what happened to brough? Is he on holidays or something? 😉

  231. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 3, 2016 12:34 pm

    I’m remembering your contributions about julian simon in previous debates about the environment tosy.

    From my link above re the social contract.

    …We explore how an idea that burgeoned among the 17th century upheavals of the English civil war and then withered in the face of modern capitalist society still influences our attitude to government today.

    It is capitalism that has destroyed all before it, the social contract, which came from the enlightenment and now democracy itself, it devours, ravages and plunders with an insatiable, destructive appetite. We can see it right now as our government legislates for the non-taxpaying wealthy few and screams about non-sustainable provision of services to the many who must pay more taxes which ultimately benefits the wealthy.

    The social contract is ‘noblesse oblige’ but that has become noblesse oblige themselves.

    Breaking the Social Contract:
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/8/1024241/-

    …As each day passes it becomes clear that any sense of noblesse oblige that may have once existed in the upper echelons of society has devolved into a cynical PR operation designed to sway public opinion toward the belief that someone, anyone still cares about those 99% of Americans who don’t belong to the club. And to instill fear of changing the status quo. Still, as resources dwindle and personal debt accumulates while the middle class strives to maintain a lifestyle before it diminishes to mere economic survival; it becomes harder to distract the unwashed masses from the underlying truths….

  232. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 3, 2016 1:40 pm

    Unions, b-grade politicians and mole hills:
    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/unions-bgrade-politicians-and-mole-hills-20151231-glxoua.html

  233. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 3, 2016 1:57 pm

    Perhaps the taxpayer should stop funding alcohol for MP’s? There seems to be a lot of alcohol stocks, partying and damage through alcohol abuse. Shouldn’t they do it on their own money?

    Samantha Maiden: Jamie Briggs booted for being fool
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/samantha-maiden-jamie-briggs-booted-for-being-fool/story-fni0cwl5-1227695533401

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    January 3, 2016 2:16 pm

    We can see it right now as our government legislates for the non-taxpaying wealthy few and screams about non-sustainable provision of services to the many who must pay more taxes which ultimately benefits the wealthy.

    And attacks those with arthritis while allowing the multinational supplier of Osteo Panadol to increase prices of the medication by 50% …

    In my case its easily covered … but not for others its a massive hit to their small budget …

    And apart from anything else its the FKN PRINCIPLE of the matter …

    And the profit driven decision making … that eventually will cost the nation …

    An educated and healthy nation is GOVERNMENT RESPONSIBILITY …

    Mismanage either or both and and their won’t be any revenue and the expenditure will climb …

    ‘Tis not rocket science …

    Society is now controlled for economic means and profiteering … it should be managed to serve society …

    Its obvious money doesn’t make you happy judging by some of the comments on this blog alone … the enjoyment seems to come from screwing people worse off than you … especially the people least capable of fighting back … the ADF pay and conditions fiasco, ironically, is a classic example!

  235. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 3, 2016 3:15 pm

    from peter martin’s article above:
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/this-easter-give-thanks-for-penalty-rates-they-keep-us-human-20150402-1mdsmg.html#ixzz3w99WkPI1

    …Reluctant though we might be to admit it, there’s a class element to complaints about penalty rates. The people who complain about them are those least likely to be forced to work at night or at weekends. The people who serve those people at night and on weekends are often lower paid (without the penalty rates) and less educated…

    What About Me? – Holding Kathy Jackson’s Cheerleaders & Accomplices To Account
    http://wixxyleaks.com/what-about-me-holding-kathy-jacksons-cheerleaders-accomplices-to-account/

    …David Feeney, a current member of Shorten’s opposition cabinet, has spent years organising donations for the Jacksonville election fund, to finance the woman who has for years been trying to take his leader down. Some may think this sounds like high treason, but for Feeney it’s just another day at the office.

    So why would Feeney do this?

    Feeney relied on the proxy votes Jackson controlled via the HSU at ALP conferences to prop up his lame arse and keep his position. Wixxyleaks also understands there were other financial ties between Feeney and Jackson however these are not likely to become public knowledge until the Organised Crime division of the Federal Police and Victoria Police have finished their investigation into the relationship.

    How this guy remains in the Labor Party is beyond the comprehension of us mere mortals…

  236. Tom R permalink
    January 3, 2016 4:05 pm

    How this guy remains in the Labor Party is beyond the comprehension of us mere mortals…

    Something about a “broad church”? 😉

    The people who complain about them are those least likely to be forced to work at night or at weekends.

    These are also the same mob who set upthings like the turc and tell us it’s for our own good. Who are now seeing an explosion in child care, and telling us they have a solution. If it is anything like their “solution” to aged care (which Labor HAD a solution for, before the libs bastardised it) dog help us all

    The profits of aged care homes surged 40 per cent in the past year as operators cut hours of nursing care while claiming higher payments from the federal government for servicing more of the most frail patients.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/nursing-home-profits-soar-as-patient-care-declines-20151224-glupug.html#ixzz3w9e81DUv
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

  237. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 3, 2016 4:17 pm

  238. Tom R permalink
    January 3, 2016 4:20 pm

    Just plain bullshitters. And our media just plain bullshit megaphones

  239. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 3, 2016 4:41 pm

    …The profits of aged care homes surged 40 per cent in the past year as operators cut hours of nursing care while claiming higher payments from the federal government for servicing more of the most frail patients…

    As soon as the frail elderly are unwell or require more hours of care they bump them over to the public hospital system.

    Paul ramsey was the 3rd largest individual liberal party donor in 2013/2014, he gave $600,000, his busines is private hospitals. They get a lot of $ from taxpayers at the expense of public hospitals.
    http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/hospital-workers-morale-chaos/1757041/

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/millions-in-party-political-donations-unaccounted-for-20130413-2hsjp.html

  240. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 3, 2016 8:21 pm

    No, they’re not muslims.

    Large Group Of Armed Militia Members Take Over Federal Building
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/01/02/3735576/150-armed-militia-members-take-over-federal-building/

    …A large group of armed militia members have broken into and occupied a federal building in Oregon. The group reportedly includes three sons of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who had a tense standoff with federal officials in 2014..

  241. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 3, 2016 9:34 pm

    Capitalism and Conservatism – what a mixed up, muddled up world!

    Anti-Gay Bakers Finally Pay Their Fine. Conservatives Throw Them A Pity Party.
    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/12/30/3735330/oregon-anti-gay-bakers-fine/

    …Aaron and Melissa Klein, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, have finally paid the fine they owe for violating Oregon state law by refusing to sell a wedding cake to a same-sex couple. After refusing to pay for over six months — and refusing to even obtain a bond or irrevocable letter of credit — the Kleins turned over a check for $136,927.07, which includes interest on the $135,000 they owe…

    Indiana Lawmaker Introduces ‘Pay To Pee’ Bill For Transgender People
    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/12/30/3735386/indiana-criminalize-transgender-bathroom/

    This School Cafeteria Worker Gave A Hungry Student A Free Lunch. She Was Fired.
    http://thinkprogress.org/education/2015/12/23/3734779/lunch-lady-fired-after-giving-free-lunch/

  242. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2016 9:12 am

    Shorten has no hope because he’s a no hoper. Imagine him representing the country overseas, he’d be as embarrassing as Gillard or Abbott.

  243. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2016 9:34 am

    Shorten has no hope because he’s a no hoper. Imagine him representing the country overseas, he’d be as embarrassing as Gillard or Abbott.

    Always enjoy your opinion pieces, ToM …

  244. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2016 9:45 am

    Yeah, me too. Shorten is probably your typical private school bully.

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2016 10:51 am

    Shorten is probably your typical private school bully.

    You have evidence of that …

    I can show evidence of Howard’s Private School Bullies … especially Head Prefect Abbott …

    Shorten has one massive failing for me … he’s another fkn catlyk but then who isn’t in Australia’s Parliament these days?

    No wonder they make so many mean spirited decisions affecting the poor old, young and weak … while defending the rich and powerful!

  246. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2016 11:12 am

    Shorten went to Xavier College! I think in your mind, that would be the only evidence required…

  247. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 4, 2016 11:13 am

    Yeah, me too. Shorten is probably your typical private school bully.

    They all are.

    The churches work with the establishment to oppress the people, that’s how ‘the system’ works. No surprise that governments protected the churches for decades over sexual abuse of children. The RC was another good thing to come out of the Gillard govt. Pretty sure that Abbott has well surpassed Gillard in the embarrassment stakes.

  248. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2016 11:34 am

    I’m afraid Gillard handballing a football to Obama is about the most cringeworthy moment in my political memory.

  249. January 4, 2016 12:05 pm

    “I’m afraid Gillard handballing a football to Obama is about the most cringeworthy moment in my political memory.”

    Oh do fuck off. If you think that’s the most cringeworthy moment in history then you have a very selective memory or early onset.

    Or perhaps both. Seriously. FFS.

  250. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2016 12:14 pm

    Is there another single moment that looked so stupidly staged, what’s another equally cringeworthy example of political posing?

    Unless it’s Gillard falling flat on her face in India, I mean she didn’t even bother to try to break her fall by putting her arms out.

  251. January 4, 2016 12:36 pm

    I can think of dozens, but onion eating springs to
    mind.

  252. January 4, 2016 12:45 pm

    “I’m going to shirtfront mr Putin, you bet you are, you bet I am”

  253. January 4, 2016 12:45 pm

    Arise sir Phillip.

  254. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2016 12:54 pm

    Shorten went to Xavier College! I think in your mind, that would be the only evidence required…

    Why? I have friends who send/t their children to a Mick school and uni … and they ain’t catlyks …

    Check the bottom of the side panel, ToM … I always do …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Shorten

    AND DON”T FORGET … “Shit happens” —————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

  255. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2016 1:06 pm

    All examples of cringe worthiness. All cause any sensible person to blush… but a staged handball to the US president!! That is in a class of its own.

  256. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2016 1:17 pm

    So TB. It seems you need to change your terminology.

    Are you against all bullies or just the private school ones?

  257. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2016 1:24 pm

    Are you against all bullies or just the private school ones?

    After all these years you have to ask that? Tch tch …

    Now whose playing the TROLL?

    🙂

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2016 1:47 pm

    Did I mention that Dutton is a Dopey Dick?

    Federal Labor is upping the pressure on Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull to reprimand senior minister Peter Dutton for calling a journalist a “witch”.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/dutton-apologises-after-witch-gaffe/news-story/02cd994ca8f6aeb15b669943f8c35958

    A Dope is a Dope is a Dope … they can’t/won’t change … and Dopey Dutton has the last say in many people’s welfare and lives …

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/immigration-minister-peter-dutton-caught-joking-about-the-effect-of-climate-change-on-pacific-islands-20150911-gjkf0z.html

    How many gaffes fuck ups do these morons get?

    In the real world he would have been out on his arse before Abbott!

  259. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 4, 2016 2:37 pm

    You’ve always had an unreasonable hatred for gillard tomM [whilst ignoring all kinds of idiocy and cringing re abbott]. Abbott was no better in speech or accent, at least gillard could speak in full sentences while abbott alone made himself a laughing stock at home and abroad.

    They looked pretty cosy and natural to me.

    Tony Abbott’s 10 biggest gaffes, clangers and cringeworthy moments

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-10-biggest-gaffes-clangers-and-cringeworthy-moments-20150310-140qnp.html#ixzz3wEzdvqGR
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-10-biggest-gaffes-clangers-and-cringeworthy-moments-20150310-140qnp.html

    No, not staged at all, dunno about you but this makes me cringe.

  260. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 4, 2016 2:43 pm

    …All examples of cringe worthiness. All cause any sensible person to blush… but a staged handball to the US president!! That is in a class of its own…

    Get real!

  261. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2016 2:44 pm

    So call me picky about Gillard…

  262. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2016 2:48 pm

    Yep. This is what statespersons do during a meeting.

  263. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 4, 2016 3:07 pm

    Unless it’s Gillard falling flat on her face in India, I mean she didn’t even bother to try to break her fall by putting her arms out.

    So you’re calling accidents like the one above and her losing a shoe when the plods decided aborigines were going to kill her and abbott and bumrushed them out of the place, as ‘staged events’ now? [abbott was the one they were after]

    READER POLL
    What do you find more confronting?

    Tony Abbott’s budgie smugglers – 92%

    The burqa – 7%

    [This poll ended on 06 October 2014]

  264. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2016 3:22 pm

    Yes, I’ve always said Abbott needed to go easy on the fake tan and the hair dye.

    …but handballing a footy to the US president inside The Oval Office!!??

  265. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2016 3:30 pm

    …and why TB do you single out a particular type of bully? Is it that you consider the socio economic background of a bully more important than the actual act of bullying?

    Do the victims of bullying and violence routinely make that distinction the way you do?

  266. Unfortunate Move On Incidentals permalink
    January 4, 2016 3:58 pm

    “Nothing has changed in relation to the Turnbull Government’s policy on schools funding.”

  267. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 4, 2016 4:14 pm

    Yep. This is what statespersons do during a meeting.

    yes, they sometimes do

    They also get as many of the royal family as they possibly can to visit australia on the taxpayer’s dollar.

    and completely inappropriate actions like these:

    And of course you use your power in office to help your family members, nothing like privilege and nepotism..

    again:

    http://www.news.com.au/national/readers-divided-over-tony-abbotts-daughter-frances-legal-stoush-relating-to-a-rental-property/story-fncynjr2-1226955234697

    PRIME MINISTER Tony Abbott’s daughter Frances’ tenancy battle has divided Victorians, with some arguing the landlord is at fault while others say the former design student shouldn’t have signed the lease.
    “If security is an issue because she is the PM’s daughter then she should have had the AFP inspect the property and its surroundings before she signed the lease. It’s fine for her to “feel like being independent” and do her own thing, but she also has to accept responsibility for her actions — not play the “I’m the PM’s daughter” card when she stuffs up,” Herald Sun reader Steve said.

    and again:

    Tony abbott’s daughter also gets secret teacher’s aid job at Whitehouse Institute.

    Frances Abbott Chosen ‘On Merit’ To Help Lobby Fed Govt Regulators:
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/05/24/frances-abbott-chosen-merit-help-lobby-fed-govt-regulators/

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/05/22/whitehouse-staff-register-reveals-no-role-frances-abbott/

    Growing community anger over the awarding of a secret scholarship worth $60,000 to Frances Abbott is unlikely to abate amid fresh revelations that the daughter of the Prime Minister appears to have been employed by the college in a job with no defined role.

  268. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2016 4:45 pm

    Well, it’s nice to be discussing the relative loathing of former Prime Ministers! How healthy that we don’t need to have the current one in any ranking.

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2016 6:15 pm

    …and why TB do you single out a particular type of bully? Is it that you consider the socio economic background of a bully more important than the actual act of bullying?

    That’s easy … I detest ALL bullies – particularly my father (now long gone)!

    But back to your silly troll statements …

    I highlight Private School Bullies like Howard and Abbott (and Dutton and Briggs and Morrison and Pyne et al) because … like you … you stake out the high moral ground and stumble around until you fall off the edge …

    Its not the catlyks per se that I thoroughly detest but the hypocrisy of their actions in relation to their chosen saviour Jesus Christ … they seem to be the anti of all that he stood for …

    They lie, they cheat, they steal from the poor, they mistreat children, they deceive and they scheme and they are arrogant with it …

    What’s not to detest …

    How healthy that we don’t need to have the current one in any ranking.

    How unfortunate that people are easily conned!

  270. January 4, 2016 6:43 pm

    2319,,,,,,and why TB do you single out a particular type of bully? Is it that you consider the socio economic background of a bully more important than the actual act of bullying?,,,,,,

    #Lis.Con-V-onion.panic

    #there is none so blind, as he who will not see

    #the cubicle has been reinforced with a fresh layer of tinfoil for 2016, l see

  271. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2016 6:49 pm

    I see. So the behaviour of some bullies is more needing of discussion than others… apparently.

  272. January 4, 2016 6:55 pm

    2319,,,,,,I see. So the behaviour of some bullies(#onions) is more needing of discussion than others(#boardrooms) .. apparently,,,,,,

    #it does seem to be your entire, one-sided fetish

  273. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2016 7:16 pm

    #it does seem to be your entire, one-sided fetish

    Or he’s just trolling … read all the comments above from today from ToM … he’s actually bored – not really interested in our replies …

    I just indulge him … God knows why 😉

  274. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2016 7:21 pm

    I see. So the behaviour of some bullies is more needing of discussion than others… apparently.

    It just dawned on me … that’s your perception Thomarse … not mine … another thing catlyks seem to do is coat their critics with what they actually do …

    All bullies need “discussion” – not just “the more needy” … I’ve never said that … nor demonstrated it in my comments here … I still tackle the pricks wherever they pop up … !

    It just happens to be that there are more catlyk pricks than others …

    I have no control over that … write to the pope … not me …

  275. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 4, 2016 7:46 pm

    So it’s mainly catholic private school bullies, like Shorten?

  276. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 4, 2016 8:04 pm

    …I see. So the behaviour of some bullies is more needing of discussion than others… apparently.

    They’re all bullies of an elitist system, they consider themselves far above ordinary people. Bullying is built into the system, if you try to go against any of them they’ll crush you as soon as look at you.

  277. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 4, 2016 8:16 pm

    I highlight Private School Bullies like Howard

    Like me Howard went to State schools

    Howard attended the state schools Earlwood Primary School and Canterbury Boys’ High School.

    However Private schools are becoming more popular because they offer better discipline.

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2016 8:23 pm

    So it’s mainly catholic private school bullies, like Shorten?

    You only know that ’cause I told above … Dick …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    However Private schools are becoming more popular because they offer better discipline

    FUCK! Its back with more BS … so much discipline I can name you at least three private schools where pupils have knifed pupils … and a long list of teachers who abused pupils …

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2016 8:25 pm

    You may live the catlyk dream … I’ve lived I still live the catlyk nightmare …

  280. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2016 8:27 pm

    I’ve lived I still live …

  281. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2016 8:28 pm

    sreb, time for a new fred, methinks … can you do that from sleepy Penang?

  282. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 4, 2016 8:28 pm

    Well it is true that private schools are becoming more popular for whatever reason. And like me Howard went to State schools.

  283. TB Queensland permalink
    January 4, 2016 8:37 pm

    Well it is true that private schools are becoming more popular …

    No its not …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    After the Briggs and Dutton and other senior Liberals comments over Briggs’ termination and Turnbull \’s weak, lilly livered comments … does that demonstrate that the LIBERAL Party is full of MYSOGINISTS?

  284. January 4, 2016 8:53 pm

    THE DAILY BLIB

    SATISFIED VOTER EDITION

    At a recent `satisfied-voter` meeting held in the basement of David Jones Moonee Ponds store yesterday, the following `satisfied-voters` were heard to say,

    Somebody said `I won’t vote Labor while blibs leading them, get rid of him and I would change my mind. I don’t like back stabbers. work places is different than Union corruption`

    Somebody else replied `So you are saying Turnbull is not a back stabber get over it!! we vote for a party not a man`

    To which the original somebody said `The current debate on alleged Union corruption is bigger than one individual. blib is correct in encouraging Prime Minister Waffle to bring it on in respect to workplace relations. The ghost of “work choices” is stirring and the government is only to well aware that this is dangerous political territory. Threats to workplace conditions are a universal rallying cry for voters and could bring about a seismic shift in electoral support. Even a standard 300 word slogan by Waffle’s might not be enough.`

    The meeting provided lively discussion of politics in Moonee Ponds and many views were aired. The locals declared it a `big-success`, due largely to not allowing blib to speak or attend.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-takes-break-from-leave-to-tweet-bring-it-on-as-union-battle-looms-20151231-glxer5.html

  285. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 4, 2016 10:21 pm

    After the Briggs and Dutton and other senior Liberals comments over Briggs’ termination and Turnbull \’s weak, lilly livered comments … does that demonstrate that the LIBERAL Party is full of MYSOGINISTS?

    It’s interesting to note that the current ‘boys behaving badly’ are the religious conservatives, the abbott aligned MP’s. Dutton went to a very big boys club, the Queensland Police Academy [he epitomises the cop mentality doesn’t he] he represents their behaviour and attitudes well. Also totally fkn incompetent.

    https://twitter.com/georgiedent

  286. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 4, 2016 10:38 pm

  287. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2016 11:55 am

    News elsewhere, we don’t want to be too inward looking do we? 😉

    A Challenge To American Media: Call the Malheur Refuge Gunmen What They Really Are – Terrorists
    https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/03/a-challenge-to-american-media-call-the-malheur-refuge-gunmen-what-they-really-are-terrorists/

    …Make no mistake – the siege at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge is a terrorist attack. It just happens to have been perpetrated by white American patriots… so media aren’t calling it that. Yet.

    The facts, however, are undeniable. Their goals are political, and their methods are the same…

    …What this dispute is actually about is environmentalism – the patriots believe in their God given right (via the US Constitution) to treat the environment any way they see fit, and to not have to adhere to government regulations which are designed to protect not just the environment, but everyone’s interests…

    These are the british conservatives who are in parliament and preach to everyone else about behaviour, morals and respect.

  288. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2016 12:50 pm

    If 2013 was the year that broke Jonathan Green’s politics, 2015 was the year that politics broke the Coalition.
    https://newmatilda.com/2015/12/17/the-definitive-coalition-poop-list-13-mps-who-broke-the-government-in-2015/

    …But what was really impressive about the mid-term government was its ability to continue to serve up genuine depravity from a range of sources including a rabble of MPs who have redoubled their efforts, and their volume, since Abbott was removed from the leadership….

    Political Zombie: Tony Abbott Re-emerges Just In Time For Halloween
    https://newmatilda.com/2015/10/28/political-zombie-tony-abbott-re-emerges-just-in-time-for-halloween/

    …3) His Cognitive Dissonance (Still) Runs Deep

    In the same speech he reflected on the abject horrors faced by those in areas controlled Islamic State militants. And then went on to argue European leaders should secure their borders and send refugees on boats back to where they came from.

    The contradiction is reminiscent of many clocked during his time in office; the freedom lover who bound the country in yet more surveillance legislation; the Prime Minister for Indigenous affairs who wanted to close Aboriginal communities; the Minister for Women who was a man.

    Abbott’s political agenda was incoherent, as his worldview remains now…

    4) He’s Still Got The Magic

    Tony-Abbott-11Even after losing office, the one-time PM still has the power to outrage and alienate everybody simultaneously, his one redeeming and unifying talent…

  289. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2016 1:35 pm

    So call me picky about Gillard…

    But not picky about:

    I was drunk at work – Howard

    or abbott and his photo ops

    or any male politician really.

    You’ve been more than picky about gillard, when it came to her you were quite misogynist, you’ve made derogatory comments about her earrings, hair, boyfriend, figure, clothes, style, speech etc before we even go into her political efforts.

    You were even challenging the word misogynistic when the behaviour was called out.

    Never in our blog have you disparaged a male politician the same way and not once did you defend her over the very nasty cartoons, menus and misogynistic political attacks that multiplied throughout her time in office.

  290. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2016 2:21 pm

    Turnbull’s government ‘has a sexism problem’
    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2016/01/05/government-sexism/

    …ANALYSIS: Given the events of the past week, it’s time to recognise some of the government’s outdated views on women.

    However, given the past weekend’s events it’s clearly time to call out the true nature of the difficulty: the government doesn’t have a problem with women, it has a problem with sexism….

  291. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 5, 2016 3:48 pm

    Should malcolm just sack the lot of them?

    Briggs was wrong to share picture: PM
    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/01/05/briggs-was-wrong-share-picture-pm

    …Liberal MP Sharman Stone spoke out about the actions of her male colleagues.

    “I think the interesting activities of the last number of weeks demonstrate that some of our male colleagues still don’t get it in terms of treating all women with respect,” Ms Stone said.

    “It is just an example of how we’ve still got a way to go, in all parties … to ensure there is the greatest of respect paid in parliament as an example to the broader community.”…

  292. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 5, 2016 5:07 pm

    That’s a little harsh. But Tim was a bogan.

  293. January 5, 2016 5:17 pm

    AO,,,,,,You`ve been more than picky about gillard, when it came to her you were quite misogynist, you’ve made derogatory comments about her earrings, hair, boyfriend, figure, clothes, style, speech etc before we even go into her political efforts,,,,,,,

    #Yes. True. And look at the context.

    #ln the time of jooliar,

    #limited-news trolls were saying all they could to sink her, ignited by the `team` after kevin07

    #feminista-guru quacked about joolya`s-arse and joolya`s-jackets on my abc qandaland, where is `your` feminista outrage for this `own-goal`

    #joolya often `entrenched` certain dislike against her, the women in my life didn`t swoon for long after `misogyny-speech`, but still hate her guts for single-mums pension-cuts

    #the problem is not the half-wit regurgitation from `our` teabags armchair, they have little thought of their own, the problem is that below-par politicians `have` been rewarded for this behaviour, along with talking-heads and cowering-media won`t challenge it.

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