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August 18, 2015

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Hello

After travelling the length and breadth of Stralya for work I am now In Penang and jet lagged to buggery and have segued from Melbourne’s 12 degrees temps to Penang’s 30’s..

It’s fucked up.

The big talk here is how the local PM is yet to adequately explain how he mysteriously found $US1 billion in his personal bank account.

It pays not to complain too much cos ppl just simply disappear…

Did I just say that … or think it?

Were they listening, did they hear me……??

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  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 9:01 am

    1. I don’t think it has reached 12 here for a week or 2.
    2. I is quite difficult to just stumble on $$billion or even a $$million, so the Malaysian president is very fortunate indeed.

  2. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 9:26 am

    I is quite difficult to just stumble on $$billion or even a $$million

    Unless of course you are a legal professional willing to sell out to a liberal grubmints witch hunt.

    Then it’s more a case of “don’t stub your toes” 😉

    Don’t melt up there reb, or at least, don’t complain too much about it.

  3. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 9:39 am

    I note the grubmint got their DD trigger through last night (sic)

    Unfortunately, it looks like the RC smear campaign they had aligned with it isn’t looking so good 😦 But calling Shorten back after he had already spent two days answering (too well) all their questions is so reminiscent of Gillards two “take all questions” interviews, and so obvious

    Heydon’s email trail for Barwick dinner made its Liberal connections clear from the start

    https://theconversation.com/heydons-email-trail-for-barwick-dinner-made-its-liberal-connections-clear-from-the-start-46211

  4. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 9:47 am

    lol. Dyson Heyson being compared to Ralph Blewitt. Yea yomm, we should accept Dyson Blewitts idea and just start another $80million witch hunt.

    The trade union royal commissioner has dismissed an accusation of bias by saying he “overlooked” a connection between the Liberal party and organisers of a fundraiser he agreed to speak at, but Dyson Heydon has not been so forgiving of others for not fully reading documents.

    ………

    However, in his own interim report released in 2014 Heydon criticised union witnesses for giving similar reasons.

    On one incident involving the former Australian Workers Union official Ralph Blewitt, Heydon wrote: “Ralph Blewitt claimed that he did not read the rules before lodging them. That could well be true. But even if it is true, it is no defence.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/17/dyson-heydon-overlooked-liberal-link-but-gave-commission-witnesses-less-leeway

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 9:53 am

    The main issue is that apparently the TURC could continue if Heydon resigns. The fact that you object to this demonstrates that it is good public policy.

  6. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:01 am

    The fact that you object to this demonstrates that it is good public policy.

    You need to read closer yomm 😉

    I kinda hope he stays on.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/08/12/tony-abbott-self-sabotage-and-marriage-equality/#comment-112971

    The longer anything related to this witch hunt remains, the more we get reactions like this last night. As I said, Icarus is burnt.

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:07 am

    That’s what I mean. Since another RC terms of reference can be drafted to include evidence already provided, I’m quite happy to see him go.

  8. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:22 am

    I’m quite happy to see him go.

    That alone speaks volumes yomm 😉 Even the vociferous have abandoned their support of him 🙂

    It doesn’t matter if he stays or goes. The libs have done their dash with the witch hunt. Any RC into Unions now is going to be seen as biased. Which they will be.

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:25 am

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/what-happens-if-dyson-heydon-is-forced-to-step-aside-20150817-gj0iit.html?skin=text-only

    “Legal expert” (Professor Peter Bailey, an adjunct professor at the ANU and a member of the 1975 Coombs Royal Commission) does not seem to see a legal problem with the appointment of another Royal Commissioner to take over, his only caveat is fairness.
    —————
    Only you could ignore/excuse the evidence of union thuggery. You won’t do the ALP or unions any favour by trying to excuse it.

    It needs to be cleaned up.

  10. August 18, 2015 10:33 am

    Did I mention that the Malaysian Prime Minister (who happens to enjoy the support of Tony Abbott) is yet to account for one billion US dollars that has appeared in his personal bank account?

    The Deputy PM told him that it “wasn’t a good look” and so he sacked him.

    When it comes to corruption, Australia’s a lightweight.

  11. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:39 am

    his only caveat is fairness.

    That could be a sticking point lol

    evidence of union thuggery

    What “evidence”

    An individual misusing his position is not “evidence of union thuggery.” it is evidence of an individuals thuggery.

  12. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:40 am

    “It needs to be cleaned up.”

    The problem is that the unions own the ALP outright. This is the source of the corruption. It is no different to lobbyists controlling the NSW Liberal Party.

    In either case the captive party, once in government, legislates for the benefit of those that own it.

  13. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:41 am

    When it comes to corruption, Australia’s a lightweight.

    But we’re always looking to improve

  14. August 18, 2015 10:45 am

    What good have Unions ever done anyway….

  15. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:45 am

    …The main issue is that apparently the TURC could continue if Heydon resigns. The fact that you object to this demonstrates that it is good public policy…

    I object to it as well. Why should a tainted, political RC be allowed to continue? We all know it’s about defeating their political opponent, nothing to do with inquiring on behalf of the public.

    A reporter has recently written that abbottcorp was so eager to get their opponents that the initial terms of reference for the RC had to be re-drafted because if they had stood, the RC would have been inquiring into the labor party and not unions.
    Now that’s bias…and abuse of power.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/too-many-questions-dyson-heydons-defence-strains-credulity-20150817-gj12wv.html#ixzz3j7ddjPZH

    …Yes the thuggery. How about screaming wastage, while spending $60m+ on what is patently a political hatchet job: 1. Deplete union funds and energy to defend themselves, weakening their political power 2. Damage Labor ability to raise election funds 3. Smear the opposition leader .
    These are the primary motivators.
    LNP Using our money and the tools of state to destroy a political movement supported by 50% of the population. Undemocratic, vindictive, cynical.
    What if Rudd had called a RC into Iraq and dragged Howard into the stand? Imagine the conservative outrage? And that was a real issue. Illegal war, based on lies, that cost billions, killed thousands, and made Australians terror target…but no, Bill Shortens dodgy $40k donation. That’s worth spending $60m to uncover?!?!
    Commenter
    Mika August 18, 2015, 9:51AM…

    Abbott is not fit for office.

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:51 am

    The Deputy PM told him that it “wasn’t a good look” and so he sacked him.

    Well its not a good l

  17. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:53 am

    The union movement deserves a searching examination. It used its ALP goons to stop legislation which would have subject union officials to the same standards of disclosure as are imposed on company directors.

    “What good have Unions ever done anyway….”

    That was back in the day when union officials came from the ranks of the workers they represented. Now union officials are just chancers passing through on the way to a Senate seat or similar sinecure.

  18. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:54 am

    The problem is that the unions own the ALP outright.

  19. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:56 am

    What good have Unions ever done anyway….

    lol reb, that reminded me 🙂

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 10:58 am

    In either case the captive party, once in government, legislates for the benefit of those that own it.

    True … I prefer to thrive in a society rather than survive in an economy …

    This …

    Not this …

  21. August 18, 2015 10:59 am

    that was back in the day when Liberal MPs union officials came from the ranks of the law firms workers they represented. Now Liberal MPs union officials are just chancers passing through on the way to a Senate seat or similar sinecure.”

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:00 am

    … subject union officials to the same standards of disclosure as are imposed on company directors.

    And vice versa … let’s have a RC on Company Directors … they certainly have a lot to answer for …

    Especially in the area of health and safety …

  23. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:02 am

    It is no different to lobbyists controlling the NSW Liberal Party.

    Which they do, they are even writing government policy.

    In either case the captive party, once in government, legislates for the benefit of those that own it.

    Which is australian politics. So if they both do it, why is it acceptable that one of them should use the power of incumbency to destroy their only real opponent?

    That is the style of politics from dictators and despots in third world countries. If we were in the olden days, shorten would have been taken down to the dungeon or hung on the whim of abbott.

  24. August 18, 2015 11:04 am

  25. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:09 am

    Not paranoid – it is a parent subsidiary relationship. Half the delegates at National Conference are required to be Union stooges.

    That is why half the caucus have come up through the Unionland system.

    Sensible reformers want the system changed to lessen the power of the unions. But the unions will no more willingly relinquish power than fellow socialist Kim Jong-Un.

  26. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:18 am

    Nowadays they are career politicians with no experience other than student politics at uni. They become party apparatchiks straight after uni and then as staffers they expect to get a safe seat to a ministry.

    Sensible reformers want the system changed to lessen the power of the unions.

    What do sensible reformers want to do to lessen the power of corporate donations to the libs and the lobbyist cancer upon our democracy? When will we know who funds the IPA?

    Why can’t we have the federal ICAC that we are demanding?

  27. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:19 am

    There is a false dichotomy going on here. The fact that some unions (and conservative governments) have improved the lot of working people over time is irrelevant to whether current corruption needs investigating or whether proper regulation is required.

    And besides we would not have had the white Australia policy without the unions and the ALP.

  28. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:20 am

    “Why can’t we have the federal ICAC that we are demanding?”

    There is an entrenched duopoly who have other ideas.

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:21 am

    And besides we would not have had the white Australia policy without the unions and the ALP.

    What?!

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:22 am

    Most of the union members are on the public payroll. That’s the public service culture.

    Only about 14% of the private sector is unionised, and that includes all the previously government owned instrumentalities.

    The fact is that people don’t rely on unions to protect their wellbeing, the workforce has decided that they’re not interested in union membership.

    The public learnt a bitter lesson with workchoices, no one wants their kids to be easier to dismiss (or themselves for that matter), the public does not want civilised safety nets ripped away.

    The public wants decent conditions and reasonable job security. Politicians that seek to undermine those factors will find themselves out of office, just as Howard did, and that’s the public sentiment.

    It isn’t about unions.

  31. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:22 am

    The problem is that the unions own the ALP outright. This is the source of the corruption.

    So, it’s gone from outright, to half. And, let’s not forget, that is a from a wide variety of Unions, who also fight against each other.

    The biggest problem is the “corruption” tag you throw about. As I pointed out, even in a political witch hunt with a biased judge allowing all sorts of slander to go through unchallenged, “corruption” has never been proved. There have a been a couple of isolated cases, cases which would have probably gone straight to the cops if they didn’t instead choose to drag it through an RC. And that is what htis $80million of tax payers money has achieved.

    Sensible reformers want the system changed to lessen the power of the unions.

    You mean (now proven) ideological retrogrades want to stem their power. Because, as we have seen all through this #turd once you read into it and past the glaring accusations turned into headlines, the Unions CONTINUE to fight against greedy employers looking to cut wages and conditions, quite often to the detriment of workers health and safety, and they continue to help maintain the surrent standard of life which we in Australia are lucky enough to maintain.

    If you want to fight to lower that standard, then feel free to. Just be honest about it.

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:24 am

    There is an entrenched duopoly who have other ideas.

    Ahhh … so your dastardly plan is – get rid of one and we won’t need a Federal ICAC …

    With all the suck it up economics far outweighing the trickle down kind … I’m pretty sure which side of the dichotomy needs to lift its game …

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:25 am

    Technology has been one of the main reasons that those images no longer exist.

    Did the unions get rid of slavery? Or was that due to public sentiment?

    Did the unions invent the internet? I thought that was Al Gore.

  34. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:25 am

    Only about 14% of the private sector is unionised,

    Yet 100% of the private sector suckle at the rewards the Union movement has garnered for them.

    The fact is that people don’t rely on unions to protect their wellbeing,

    Tell it to all those workers who ended up with a raw deal under workchoices champ.

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:26 am

    If you want to fight to lower that standard defend each and every example of dishonesty, thuggery and corruption by union officials, then feel free to. Just be honest about it.

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:27 am

    It isn’t about unions.

    So what’s your problem …

  37. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:28 am

    Did the unions invent the internet?

    I put this forward as the most stupid comment to date at the Gutter Trash

    nil, you have been pwnd

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:31 am

    … If you want to fight each and every example of dishonesty, thuggery and corruption by union officials, then feel free to. Just be honest about it.

    Well I do … but with a few caveats that we also carry the fight to companies, directors, management, finance, banks, tax consultants, politicians and lawyers and judges sitting or ex …

  39. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:33 am

    “What?!”

    Part of our history the ALP doesn’t want you to know (it was also a Queensland thing):

    Competition in the goldfields between British and Chinese miners, and labour union opposition to the importation of Pacific Islanders into the sugar plantations of Queensland, reinforced the demand to eliminate or minimize low wage immigration from Asia and the Pacific Islands. Soon after Australia became a federation it passed the Immigration Restriction Act of 1901. The passage of this bill is considered the commencement of the White Australia Policy as Australian government policy.

  40. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:35 am

    “Did the unions invent the internet? “

    Tony says it was Talcum:

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:35 am

    Yet 100% of the private sector suckle at the rewards the Union movement has garnered for them.

    That’s crap. The unions turn up at the annual FWA circus full bench and argue for 5%+ Employers turn up and argue for 0%.

    FWA hands down inflation + ½ % Is that due to the unions? Or don’t you think perhaps that’s what anyone would guess is reasonable for any tribunal, regardless of the lofty submissions?

    …workchoices…

    If workchoices is resurrected you’ll find community protests, on line petitions, activists getting active. That will happen regardless of unions.

    The public just don’t want to be easier to dismiss, and having decent minimum conditions ripped away. The whole electorate acts as a collective in defending their rights these days. They know not to rely on unions, because unions are full of self-interested careerists, pathetic time servers and thugs.***

    ***Mind you, I have a high regard for Dave Oliver and Ged Kearney in leading the ACTU, both came from the union rank and file, and both have sound ethics. They’re a rarity.

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:37 am

    Union officials must have about the highest per capita level of criminality of any occupation.

    There are less than 50 unions, and so many convictions.

  43. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:37 am

    Only about 14% of the private sector is unionised, and that includes all the previously government owned instrumentalities.

    And that would be because the private sector won’t tolerate employees who are union members or bring the union in to assist them, they get sacked immediately.

    What about all those ‘professional’ unions, the business affiliations and associations, there seems to be plenty of them dominating the private sector.

    With all the suck it up economics far outweighing the trickle down kind … I’m pretty sure which side of the dichotomy needs to lift its game …

    I think you are right there, the wealthy suck it up before anything manages to trickle down to the 99%.

  44. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:37 am

    defend each and every example of dishonesty

    Please show me where I defended the actions of individuals. All I did was point out they are not examples of Union corruption, but examples of Individuals corruption. And they are more often than not exposed by Unions, not politically motivated witch hunts

    This should help with Heydons decision to exonerate himself on Friday

    A Liberal Party dinner that was to be addressed by unions’ royal commissioner Dyson Heydon was specially scheduled to ensure more politicians could attend.

    Mr Heydon last week pulled out of the Sir Garfield Barwick address because of the potential for it to compromise his independence.

    An email from event organiser Gregory Burton to Mr Heydon dated March 25 said: “I’ll try to aim for a non-parliamentary sitting week to give the politician-lawyers less excuse not to turn up!”

    http://www.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/heydon-dinner-timed-to-get-more-mps-20150817-415o5.html

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:43 am

    And that would be because the private sector won’t tolerate employees who are union members or bring the union in to assist them, they get sacked immediately

    That’s not true, or if it is I’m sure you’ll provide evidence.

    While claims for unfair dismissal are capped, adverse action claims are uncapped, and huge amounts can be awarded. It is a strong disincentive to the action that you claim.

    There are plenty of labour lawyers that will make a point of getting lots of cash out of companies that take the action that you suggest.

  46. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:43 am

    That’s crap.

    IS NOT! 😆 😯

    Union officials must have about the highest per capita level of criminality of any occupation.

    Link!

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:44 am

    Can anyone suggest an occupation that has a higher rate of criminal conviction than union officials?

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:51 am

    Part of our history the ALP doesn’t want you to know (it was also a Queensland thing):

    I know the history but it is not relevant to this discussion …

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 11:57 am

    Can anyone suggest an occupation that has a higher rate of criminal conviction than union officials?

    The ones that I can suggest never get looked into, that’s the problem, you won’t find criminality in the corporate sector if you refuse to look for it. Apparently the unions need regulation but the corporations are allowed self [no] regulation. The bodies set up to monitor corporate behaviour are so toothless they are useless. We are a haven for white collar crime.

  50. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 12:00 pm

    …A Liberal Party dinner that was to be addressed by unions’ royal commissioner Dyson Heydon was specially scheduled to ensure more politicians could attend…

    …“I’ll try to aim for a non-parliamentary sitting week to give the politician-lawyers less excuse not to turn up!”…

    😯

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 12:02 pm

    AO unions and the ALP/Greens object to unions having similar levels of governance as company boards.

    I can’t think of a reasonable excuse for this. Other than union officials regard the law as optional.

  52. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 12:04 pm

    “I know the history but it is not relevant to this discussion …”

    Just an example of how irrelevant the earlier discussion of good things unions have done. That is not to the point any more than bad stuff like the White Australia Policy.

  53. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 12:06 pm

    “Apparently the unions need regulation but the corporations are allowed self [no] regulation.’

    Actually, it is called ASIC. The problem is that union officials are not held to the same standards as Company Directors.

  54. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 12:09 pm

    I can’t think of a reasonable excuse for this. Other than union officials are not the same as company boards.

    Can anyone suggest an occupation that has a higher rate of criminal conviction than union officials?

    Human Resource Consultants?

  55. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 12:15 pm

    “union officials are not the same as company boards.”

    I know, Tom R. Crime bosses should not be regulated at all.

  56. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 12:16 pm

    Just an example of how irrelevant the earlier discussion of good things unions have done.

    So, Unions getting rid of workchoices, which the turc showed lowered people working conditions, doesn’t count?

  57. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 12:16 pm

    HuffPo – just what we need another bunch of lefty dittoheads!

  58. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 12:26 pm

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-11/karp-union-corruption/5879738

    Unions are being singled out for special treatment by conservative governments. But the fact is, if you only inquire into union corruption, it’s only union corruption you will find, writes Paul Karp

    http://www.cpsu.com.au/media-releases/union-membership-in-australia/

    …It is wrong to say that support for Australian unions is falling – fewer workers are joining unions but support for unions and union membership numbers are not the same thing..

    …In fact, as union membership has declined the proportion of Australians who believe unions are important to our society has increased…

    …Union density has fallen over the past 30 years for a whole range of reasons:

    1 Workplace laws have made it harder for unions to recruit and represent members.

    2 Some employers gained a competitive edge by deunionising their workforce.

    3 More Australians are now working in industries that have always had low union density.

    4 Many workers are enjoying the benefits of the achievements of unions without becoming members…

    You haven’t commented on the abundance of employer unions and professional unions, affiliations and the associations in the country. These exist to give power to themselves.

    Seems only ‘workers’ unions are a problem in australia.

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 12:27 pm

    HuffPo – just what we need another bunch of lefty dittoheads!

    I wanted to be the first to bring you the happy news sb 🙂

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 12:32 pm

    …Actually, it is called ASIC. The problem is that union officials are not held to the same standards as Company Directors…

    ASIC is what I meant when I said:

    “The bodies set up to monitor corporate behaviour are so toothless they are useless.”

    If unions were monitored the same way that ASIC monitors corporate behaviour, they’d be laughing!

  61. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 12:43 pm

    Unions not necessarily the hero in wages war
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-29/jericho-unions-not-necessarily-the-hero-in-wages-war/6429738

    …In the Per Capita report, “Paradise Lost: the race to maintain Australia’s living standards”, David Hetherington counters the continued claim from business leaders such as Maurice Newman and Gina Rinehart that “local wages are too high for Australian companies to remain competitive” by noting that since 2000 real median earnings have failed to keep pace with productivity…

  62. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 12:46 pm

  63. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 1:15 pm

    http://greens.org.au/news/greens-will-fight-attack-unions-bandt

    …Greens Deputy Leader and workplace relations spokesperson Adam Bandt MP has said the Greens will resist the government’s attempt to undermine unions’ ability to protect Australian workers’ rights…

    “The registered organisations legislation will mean unions are tied up in red tape, while big companies are able to do what they want.”…

    ….The problem is that union officials are not held to the same standards as Company Directors…

    Unions work as a collective, for the benefit of a collective, companies work for private profits of a few shareholders in an undemocratic structure – can’t you see the difference?

    http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Education_and_Employment/Fair_Work_Reg_Org/Report/d02

    Registered organisations are not corporations

    1.2 The Minister for Employment and other supporters of the bill claim that it puts corporations and registered organisations on even footing, implying that unions and other registered organisations ought to be treated in the same way as corporations because they are fundamentally the same. This is not the case. Unions are required under the Fair Work (Registered Organisations) Act 2009 and other legislation to be democratic organisations, while corporations are not. Unions are required to publish their accounts and financial returns every year online, but proprietary limited companies are not.

    1.3 The government fails – or refuses – to understand that employee organisations do not exist for the same reason as businesses…

    1.4 …Unions exist to advance the interests of their members, and in doing so, help all workers. Unions advise people of their rights and entitlements at work and ensure those entitlements are honoured. Unions ensure that the lowest paid workers enjoy something approaching what others take for granted: a decent income and quality of life. Unions fought for shorter working weeks. Unions are responsible for the existence of the weekend. It is thanks to unions that workers are entitled to annual leave and penalty rates. These things were not granted to workers by benevolent corporations; unions fought for every single one.

    1.5 Unions drive changes to our workplace laws not for their own benefit, but for the benefit of their members and all Australian workers. Unions receive no direct financial advantage from their work. Registered organisations are fundamentally different to profit-making corporations and they must be treated differently.

  64. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 1:16 pm

    Hate To Say It, But If Companies Don’t Start Paying People Better, We May Need Unions:
    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/labor-unions-wages-2013-8

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 1:28 pm

    All I did was point out they are not examples of Union corruption, but examples of Individuals corruption.”

    Yeah!

    That’s an just isolated example of union corruption/thuggery.

    So is that…and so is that one and that and that one and that and that one and that and that one and that and that one and that and that one and that and that one and that and that one and that and that one and that and that one and that…

  66. Walrus permalink
    August 18, 2015 1:51 pm

    “1.5 Unions drive changes to our workplace laws not for their own benefit, but for the benefit of their members and all Australian workers. ”

    How funny

    Its now far too difficult/financially dangerous for a small employer to actually dismiss a fulltime employee that most that I know simply hire casuals only and pay the 25% extra to cover sick leave and annual leave. Then if they don’t measure up they chop their hours down until they leave.

    Problem then solved

    To do otherwise exposes them to litigation or damages.

    Many household names also hire white collar /clerical staff on 6 month contracts and simply dont renew them if the person does not work out in the longer term.

    Whilst there should be some procedures laid out for “managing people to an exit” if necessary by making it so difficult to get rid of someone the Left have successfully destroyed fulltime jobs.

  67. Walrus permalink
    August 18, 2015 1:55 pm

    “Registered organisations are fundamentally different to profit-making corporations and they must be treated differently.”

    What crap !

    They might be different in purpose but we are talking about “Financial Custodianship” of members funds.

    In that there is no difference

    Even an RSL club has greater accountability and its sole purpose is not necessarily to turn a profit but to be of benefit to members

  68. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 2:15 pm

    …and so is that one and that and that one and that and that one and that and that one and that and that one and that and that one and that and that one and that and that one and that and that one and that and that one and that

    Link!

  69. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 2:16 pm

    Its now far too difficult/financially dangerous for a small employer to actually dismiss a fulltime employee

    Link!

  70. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 2:18 pm

    They might be different in purpose

    Well, I guess there goes the “fundamental” bit 😉

    Isn’t that nice, the Unions have made a fillum starring heydon lol

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 2:25 pm

    So ToM has no understanding of ambit claims …

    … regardless of the lofty submissions?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The problem is that union officials are not held to the same standards as Company Directors.

    Please explain?

    Do they pay CEO’s and Directors stupidly disgusting salaries so that they are not tempted to steal it … oh, wait!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Whilst there should be some procedures laid out for “managing people to an exit” if necessary by making it so difficult to get rid of someone the Left have successfully destroyed fulltime jobs.

    As you say, Wally …

    What crap!

    Those procedures are not difficult and have not changed in decades … is just that some management personnel are not trained, skilled nor inclined to follow the policies, procedures and protocols related to managing the hiring, development, positive reinforcement, supervision, discipline and follow up of people who work with for them … and most line managers and many HR managers are incompetent when it comes to terminating the employment …

    In other words most managers are promoted as a result of Peter’s Principle and are unprepared themselves to plan, lead, organise and control a workplace, workgroup or workteam … let alone do it for other people …

  72. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 2:26 pm

    “Unions exist to advance the interests of their members officials, and in doing so, rarely help all workers.”

    Fixed it.

  73. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 2:29 pm

    “Do they pay CEO’s and Directors stupidly disgusting salaries so that they are not tempted to steal it … oh, wait!”

    We don’t know. And therein lies a problem. Public listed companies must disclose all benefits paid to senior employees and directors. Unions, not so much. And look how hard they fight not to have to do that.

  74. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 2:39 pm

    I wonder if this is in response to the fillum, or the twitter rage?

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 2:48 pm

    Is there anyone who seriously thinks FWA listens to the union and employer submissions about the annual pay review?

    Is anyone unable to come up with the same number?

    If FWA submissions are the value adds that everyone in the workforce gets, then people aren’t even getting value for money at zero cost.

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 2:51 pm

    Statement from the Law Council of Australia on Royal Commissioner Dyson Heydon

    Good to see the union standing up for one of their members!

    Impartial too, they did the same for Gillian Triggs when she was being unfarly treated by the media and the libs, they were ignored at the time IIRC.

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 3:04 pm

    I thought the previous system of annual pay reviews was better- where anyone could write a submission and the decision followed this public process.

    Making it a circus (or like one of those fake professional wrestling matches) for unions and employer reps is a waste of time and taxpayer money.

  78. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 3:16 pm

  79. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 3:20 pm

    Speaking of Triggs:

    Last November, the President of the Human Rights Commission, Professor Gillian Triggs, delivered a lecture at an event of the Australian Labor Party organised by member for Fraser, Andrew Leigh – the annual Fraser Lecture (note similarity to annual Sir Garfield Barwick Lecture).

    Yes, she actually delivered the lecture, rather than just accepting the invitation and then realising that this was an event organised by the Labor Party (note invitation to a supporter and to donate) and then declining to speak.

    Will Shadow Attorney General be calling for her resignation

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 3:27 pm

    That’s very interesting (and hilarious) SB.

    If Heydon goes, it would only be fair to apply exactly the same standard to Triggs.

    Can anyone here make a video?

  81. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 3:28 pm

    Will Shadow Attorney General be calling for her resignation

    Will you highlight just what court Triggs is judging in?

  82. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 3:29 pm

    If Heydon goes, it would only be fair to apply exactly the same standard to Triggs.

    See above, genius 😉

  83. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 3:36 pm

    ROFLMAO

    See above, genius 😉

  84. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 3:38 pm

    Yeah.

    Triggs can only write reports about what she is investigating. Even if this may be politically inconvenient.

    On the other hand, Heydon can….???

  85. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 3:42 pm

    Will Shadow Attorney General be calling for her resignation

    Checked that out sb, couldn’t see anywhere that payment or donations are asked for or any hint at a labor party fundraiser or branding at all. They were inviting the general public to rsvp.

    Also no mention of any affiliation with labor, just hosted through him as federal member for fraser. Perhaps it is a non-political lecture.

    The Fraser Lecture is an annual public lecture hosted by the federal member for Fraser, Andrew Leigh MP, to facilitate public discussion and debate on matters of national significance.

    Also the heydon lecture wasn’t open to the public.

    http://www.andrewleigh.com/fraser_lecture

  86. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 3:46 pm

    On the other hand, Heydon can….???

    Stick to the rules applied to judges about not being biased.

    You recall freedom boy was making the same speeches, to liberal functions (and greens)

    Just shows what is left, empty rhetoric ROFL

  87. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 3:47 pm

    Nothing about labor on the facebook rsvp page either

    https://www.facebook.com/events/298651063666208/

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 3:48 pm

    It was authorised by ACT Labor! It wasn’t non partisan.

    Hilarious.

    Triggs has to go!!

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 3:52 pm

    Stick to the rules applied to judges about not being biased.

    I see, so it’s fine the HRC President to show bias and be politically partisan?

    It’s hilarious!! …and at least I said it’s fine if Heydon goes, as the RC an continue with new terms of reference. But the uncompromising partisan types just want different standards of bias and transparency to apply to publicly funded enquiries.

  90. Walrus permalink
    August 18, 2015 3:52 pm

    “……..couldn’t see anywhere that payment or donations are asked for or any hint at a labor party fundraiser…..”

    OK so if I ignore my Link where it says “ACT Labor” and the buttons that say “Donate” and “Become a Supporter” ………………………then its not bias.

  91. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 3:59 pm

    Is there something wrong with my computer?

    On the invite about Fraser lecture and Gillian Triggs where are those links and buttons?

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 4:01 pm

    I see Tom R has popped over there. He’s doing a sterling job, faithfully relaying his instructions…but he’s taking plenty of water and starting to demand answers to questions that he appears not to have asked!

    I think the pressure is showing.

    He’s got a tough assignment at the moment – demanding Heydon resign, but defending Triggs! But such mindless inconsistency is Tom R’s forte.

  93. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 4:04 pm

    The text of the event says –

    Gillian Triggs, President of the Australian Human Rights Commission, will deliver this year’s Fraser lecture on the evening of Monday 17 November.

    Gillian Triggs will be speaking on the subject of An Unprecedented Expansion of Executive Power

    More details can be found by visiting Andrew Leigh’s websitehttp://www.andrewleigh.com/fraser_lecture

    WHEN

    November 17, 2014 at 6:30pm – 8:30pm

    WHERE

    Copland Lecture Theatre
    Kinglsey Street
    Acton, ACT 2601
    Australia
    Google map and directions

    CONTACT

    Nick Terrell · nick.terrell@aph.gov.au

    Will you come?

    First Name

    Last Name

    Email

    Mobile phone (optional)

    Send me email updates

    Send me text messages

    How many other people are you bringing?

    Become a SupporterUpcoming eventsDonate

    Authorised by M. Byrne for ACT Labor 1st Floor, 222 City Walk, Canberra ACT 2600.

  94. Walrus permalink
    August 18, 2015 4:09 pm

    “Is there something wrong with my computer?”

    For your sake I hope so………………………………

    http://www.actlabor.org.au/fraser_lecture_by_gillian_triggs

  95. Walrus permalink
    August 18, 2015 4:13 pm

    “I see Tom R has popped over there.”

    Where exactly is “there” these days ?……..is the Cafe still open ?

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 4:17 pm

    No, he’s at the link supplied by SB – callaxyfiles. Maybe the instructions from HQ aren’t fast enough because he’s struggling a little.

    The discussion seems less tolerant than the civilised discourse we enjoy here, so maybe Tom R has gone soft.

  97. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 18, 2015 4:18 pm

    Well you learn something knew every day. Looks like Triggs is an ALP supporter.

  98. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 4:33 pm

    So here where they rsvp to the event…nothing

    http://www.facebook.com/events/298651063666208/

    here where they were directed to get more info [tomM twxt]…nothing

    http://www.andrewleigh.com/fraser_lecture

    but there at [walrus link], yes, it is promoted by ACT Labor website, nothing on the actual invite saying it is presented by labor or asking for $ or even admission fee.

    It wasn’t listed under the ACT Labor events on that same website either.

    ACT Labor Events
    Thursday, March 05, 2015 at 12:00 PM through October 01, 2015 · 9 rsvps
    NRL Tipping Competition
    This year, ACT Labor will be holding a tipping competition for both the NRL and the AFL. There will be prizes on offer for both competitions! So far we have confirmed 1st and 2nd place priz (show all)

    rsvp
    Thursday, April 02, 2015 at 12:00 PM through September 29, 2015
    AFL Tipping Competition
    This year, ACT Labor will be holding a tipping competition for both the NRL and the AFL. There will be prizes on offer for both competitions! The prizes for our AFL competition are yet to (show all)

    Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 08:00 AM
    Southern Cross Club in Woden, Australia
    ACT ALP Conference 2015
    This year the ACT ALP Conference will be held on Saturday the 22nd of August.

    Registration begins at 8am, with the Conference beginning at 9am, and finishing at 6pm.

    The closing date for A (show all)

    Saturday, September 05, 2015 at 10:00 AM · 6 rsvps
    Dickson Tradies in Dickson, Australia
    City Campaign Basics Training
    As we keep building towards the next Federal election and the 2016 ACT election, we are launching our campaign basics training.

    This training is ideal for members who have never campaigned (show all)

    rsvp
    Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 10:00 AM · 2 rsvps
    Tuggeranong Southern Cross Club in Tuggernanong, Australia
    Tuggeranong Campaign Training
    As we keep building towards the next Federal election and the 2016 ACT election, we are launching our campaign basics training.

    This training is ideal for members who have never campaigned (show all)

    rsvp
    Wednesday, November 11, 2015 at 07:00 PM
    Southern Cross Club in Jamison, Australia
    Dismissal Dinner
    The 11th of November 2015, will mark the 40th Anniversary of the Dismissal of the Whitlam Government. To mark the occasion, the Gungahlin Sub-Branch of the ACT Labor Party is holding a spe (show all)

    Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 06:30 PM
    Canberra Labor Club in Belconnen, Australia
    End of Year Members Event
    We wish to invite you to an evening of celebration at the ACT Labor End of Year Members Event

    To make the event more easily accessible for members, we will be holding a cocktail event that (show all)

    Interesting, I’d like to wait for some more info to come I think.

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 4:34 pm

  100. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 4:41 pm

    “I’d like to wait for some more info to come I think.”

    Of course you would. But there is no need. The question of “appearance of bias” is irrelevant in Triggs’ case. She has already amply demonstrated her actual bias.

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 4:50 pm

    I hope the ACTU follows through with the application for Heydon to disqualify himself. It will be interesting to see how many of the grounds would also apply to Triggs.

  102. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 5:06 pm

    just want different standards of bias and transparency to apply to publicly funded enquiries.

    No same standards, as layed out for all concerned.

    Freedom boy did the same. Has he been stood down? Have the It is quite common apparently

    But such mindless inconsistency is Tom R’s forte.

    Perhaps you can answer the question I posited over there that they seem unable to answer? And which you so far haven’t approached.

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 5:09 pm

    Time to ask whether Tricky Dicky Abbott really has renounced his British citizenship!

    If he has he’s really fkd the office of Prime Minister …

    If he hasn’t he shouldn’t even be there …

    If he has then why won’t he show the RN form to us all … after all we do employ him and qualifications are important … or does he think we’re just a bunch of dumb Aussies …

    If he hasn’t he’s probably shit scared he’ll get the sack! And so he should …

    The man really is as weak as gnat’s piss … and as arrogant as a royal pom …

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 5:10 pm

    I hope the ACTU follows through with the application for Heydon to disqualify himself.

    Why on earth would they not?

  105. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 5:17 pm

    I think the answer is that Heydon is acting as a Royal Commissioner, not a judge.

    Note – “Commissioner”… I think that’s Triggs’ title too.

  106. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 5:19 pm

    It is pretty funny how sanguine Green types become about birds shredded by windmills given their solicitousness for creatures living near mines.

  107. Walrus permalink
    August 18, 2015 5:22 pm

    “Will you highlight just what court Triggs is judging in?”

    A Royal Commissioner does not act as a Judge. He can only make recommendations which can be ignored by government and acts within strict terms of reference and also has a deadline whereas a Judge issues rulings

    There your question has been answered

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 5:33 pm

    The poorly hidden, ideological machinations of the current lot, laid bare…

    *shakes.head* at the collective schizophrenia and ridiculousness of the scrambled conservative mind and the apparent lack of any self awareness.

  109. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 5:33 pm

    Note – “Commissioner”… I think that’s Triggs’ title too.

    Yet addressed at the beginning of every session as “The Hon. John Dyson Heydon AC QC”

    What do those letters at the end signify again? 😉

    A Royal Commissioner does not act as a Judge.

    Did you miss the “quasi-legal” bit I posted above, laid out in the terms of reference for a Royal Commission 😉

    There your statement has been rebuked 🙂

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 5:58 pm

    A Reminder …

    “I overlooked the connection between the person or persons organising the event and the Liberal party which had been stated in the email of 10 April 2014.

    I also overlooked the fact that my agreement to speak at that time had been conditional on the work of the commission being completed before that time.”

    What else has he conveniently “overlooked”?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think you meant …

    A Royal Commissioner does not act as a Judge. He OR SHE can only make recommendations …

    Hits every “-ist” in the list … shakes head …

    And there is a difference between a Commissioner and a Royal Commissioner …

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 6:00 pm

    Time to ask whether Tricky Dicky Abbott really has renounced his British citizenship!

    If he hasn’t what happens? Jail – fraud?

    All “captain’s picks” illegal?

    Collapse of the Liberal Party?

    Just what hold does Tricky Dicky Abbott have over the Liberal pollies? Surely some of them are intelligent enough to see the damage he’s done/doing?

    Then again … bring on the next election … whoo hoo!

  112. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 6:03 pm

    From your link toilet

    When an environment group successfully uses 16 year-old national environmental laws to delay a project, the Abbott government tries to change the law to prevent them from ever doing it again.

    But if an anti-windfarm group can’t find a way to use existing laws and regulations to stop or delay a project, the Abbott government tries to change laws and processes to make it easier for them to succeed.

    I hear the latest is that solar panels are giving people these “noise” sicknesses too. The stoopids never ends

  113. Walrus permalink
    August 18, 2015 6:05 pm

    “Hits every “-ist” in the list … shakes head … ”

    ……………………….rattling sound through hearing aid

  114. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 18, 2015 6:08 pm

    “Yet addressed at the beginning of every session as “The Hon. John Dyson Heydon AC QC”

    That would be his name and titles. He probably reserves his old rugger-bugger name of “Dirty Dyson” for less formal occasions.

  115. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 6:11 pm

    Time to ask whether Tricky Dicky Abbott really has renounced his British citizenship!

    I AGREE!

    Time to put up or ship out!

  116. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 6:12 pm

  117. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 6:13 pm

    That would be his name and titles.

    The titles of a …… judge? perhaps 😉

  118. Walrus permalink
    August 18, 2015 6:15 pm

    In Toilet’s link Lenore Taylor states………………

    “The prime minister and the treasurer keep repeating the claim that Adani’s $16bn Carmichael mine would create 10,000 jobs, even though evidence from an economist commissioned by Adani itself – Jerome Fahrer of ACIL Allen – given in the land court earlier this year said: “Over the life of the project it is projected that on average around 1,464 employee years of full-time equivalent direct and indirect jobs will be created. ”

    But she very conveniently leaves out this bit………………….from Adani itself

    “The land court process relates to the economic benefits of the mine at Carmichael – it does not envisage the combined tax and royalty, direct and indirect, construction and operational job benefits of Adani’s mine, rail and port projects,The experts are asked to consider the subject matter before the court – which is specific to the mine.”

    Plus the Queensland ALP government supports the Mine. No mention of that either

  119. Walrus permalink
    August 18, 2015 6:17 pm

    And now the Birthers are in town again.

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 6:38 pm

    And now the Birthers are in town again

    Do ya research … Obama was born in Hawaii the (what number) state?

    AND PROVIDED EVIDENCE …

    ABBOTT HASN’T! (Can you?)

    In Australia a person can NOT have dual citizenship (why the fk would you want it?) and must renounce any other citizenship before he/she can take office as the Prime Minister …

    Has Tricky Dicky Abbott fucked himself and his sticky supporters again?

    If he has, I will be one of thousands, nay millions, laughing at his defenders!

    This government has a reputation for hiding, obfuscation, dealing and wheeling … and then … being caught out!

    Will this be Abbott’s swan “dive”! Kathump!

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 6:44 pm

    BTW, Blogmeister … love the photo, shimples kzichk! 😉

  122. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 6:47 pm

    We’ve given Tom R plenty of practice her. He really should be in top form to take on the people at Callaxy Files, but he’s struggling.

    He seems very confused about the difference between a Royal Commissioner and an actual judge.

    It’s a pity, but fortunately he is resilient. Although when you’re a mindless barracker, that goes with the job.

  123. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 6:48 pm

    yay, this is what I like to see!

  124. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 7:05 pm

    ABBOTT HASN’T!

    details details TB 😉

    He seems very confused about the difference between a Royal Commissioner and an actual judge.

    I’m not sure how the term “quasi-judicial” can evince “confusion” to you. Unless you were deliberately ignoring that?

  125. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 7:10 pm

    And now the Birthers are in town again

    I believe abbott is an australian citizen and I also believe he has renounced his british citizenship. The question is when. I’d like to know if he has sat in the australian parliament as an MP and taken wages and payments at any time when he wasn’t entitled to, against our constitution.
    I think we have a right to ask that they produce their bona fides for the job.
    Why these things aren’t checked by officials more thoroughly is beyond me.

    Like giving someone a Rhodes Scholarship when he’s not entitled to receive it [not an australian citizen] and is also the least qualified for it
    Anyone else would be knocked back because “rules is rules” but when there is a push from mates at the top, seems anything can be easily overcome.

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 7:23 pm

    Hilarious & mindless!!

    The Human Rights Commission can issue legally enforceable decisions, directions and orders. Decisions that are actually enforceable.

    But despite this and the examples of politicisation of her office, Tom R is willing to say that Triggs is entitled to be biased.

    Her bias and willingness to speak at an ALP function is no reason to step aside from her position.

    But Heydon, who has no authority to issue orders or directions (other than attendance) has to step aside because he declined to speak at a Liberal Party function!!

  127. August 18, 2015 7:23 pm

    “It is pretty funny how sanguine Green types become about birds shredded by windmills given their solicitousness for creatures living near mines.”

    I live near one of the biggest windfarms in Australia, and the whole ‘birds getting shredded’ thing is utter shit.

    You people need to get out of your metropolitan goldfish bowls more.

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 7:25 pm

    Like giving someone a Rhodes Scholarship when he’s not entitled to receive it …

    Or ten quid immigration fares to Australians – like Abbott’s mother??

    His old man was a dentist … an odd “trade” for a ten quid pom …

    Just what sort of people have moulded Tricky Dicky?

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    August 18, 2015 7:27 pm

    KL, I’d find those Uni assessments dubious for a Rhodes Scholar too?

  130. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 7:31 pm

    http://www.afr.com/news/politics/leadership-talk-starts-to-hit-liberals-20150816-gj0fmx?stb=twt

    Sources have told The Australian Financial Review that “footsoldiers” for both Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison, who are on opposite sides of the same-sex marriage debate, have been taking informal soundings in recent days, targeting colleagues who voted for Mr Abbott in the February leadership spill…

    Laurie Oakes says ScoMo will make his move soon.

  131. August 18, 2015 7:32 pm

    “KL, I’d find those Uni assessments dubious for a Rhodes Scholar too?”

    Indeed.

    He certainly didn’t use his dubious privileges to learn political acumen.

  132. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 7:35 pm

    Triggs is entitled to be biased.

    No, but she is allowed to attend party events (as freedom boy has), because, unlike heydon, she is not a judge, performing duties under that convention

  133. August 18, 2015 7:35 pm

    boo-of.melb”””Union officials must have about the highest per capita level of criminality of any occupation.

    There are less than 50 unions, and so many convictions.”””

    #smalls like total bullshit, where is the data.?

    #corporate-fluffers should be aware that boardroom crimes are basically `green-lighted` by pollies, as they starve the watch-dogs and keep them tooth-less

    #grollo has more chance of `killing-by-corporate-negligence` ya`daughter, (they`ve killed 3-already) and getting away with it again, than, ya`daughter being shark-nibbled, yet look at what you choose to squirt over

    #wake.the.fcuk.up

  134. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 7:42 pm

    Needling without a personal troll/sock puppet is demeaning. It is pointless and unworthy.

    Was it something I said?

  135. August 18, 2015 7:50 pm

    acumen

    /ˈækjʊˌmɛn; əˈkjuːmən/

    noun

    1.

    the ability to judge well; keen discernment; insight

  136. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 18, 2015 7:51 pm

    So we have a retired judge, conducting an enquiry of fixed duration.

    His report is, in itself, entirely unenforceable. He declines to speak at a political function.

    HE MUST RESIGN!! THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF PERCEIVED BIAS

    …and an activist current President of the Human Rights Commission, with all the actual power and authority that goes with the on going job.

    She speaks at a political function, promoted by a political party.

    SHE MUST NOT RESIGN, BECAUSE SHE IS ENTITLED TO SHOW BIAS

    Tom R’s rationality is on clear display!

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 18, 2015 8:01 pm

    KL, I’d find those Uni assessments dubious for a Rhodes Scholar too?

    According to his oxford transcript, he wasn’t the brightestt mind there TB

    I thought it strange that abbott was only in his third year and two others were in their final year and both honours students, but abbott got the scholarship over them. Then there was an urgent application for an australian citizenship which was accelerated so he could take up the scholarship. Wonder who assisted that process for him?

    Where There Is Smoke – – –Proverbially, There Is Fire!
    https://archiearchive.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/where-there-is-smoke/

  138. Root And Branch Review permalink
    August 18, 2015 8:09 pm

    “Thank you Dr Andrew Leigh for your invitation and introduction. It is an honor to be here in your electorate of Fraser in north Canberra.”

  139. Tom R permalink
    August 18, 2015 8:25 pm

    Tom R’s rationality is on clear display!

    Judges (which heydon is operating for all intents and purposes under the pretense of) are specifically restrained from party political events while acting in that capacity, in a way that might imply bias.

    The commissioners of a HRC are not, which is why freedom boy can do precisely what Triggs did without recourse.

    Perhaps it’s your own rationality being eked out here yomm? 😉

  140. August 18, 2015 10:32 pm

    HELLO TEABAGS

    sd”””People are going to have the debate but I think we have to have that debate at a higher level and, I’m sorry, but I think this American evangelical claptrap is the last thing we need in the debate.”””

    #and isn`t the `American.evangelical.claptrap` a gigantic part of our politics since john-w, oh-so fcuking slimey

    +

    IN CONTEXT

    qandaland”””SAM DASTYARI: There is so much with what you have said just then that is so offensive, it’s hard to know where to start. The politician in me tells me that I should be saying that while I disagree with your views, I wholeheartedly respect them but I find that very hard. I find it very hard to respect a lot of your views on what you have said because I don’t think it comes from a place of love. I think it comes from a place of hate and I think that there is so much I can’t accept the fact that you believe that Gini’s parents, who I have no doubt love each other, you know, that they’re hurting their child simply because of the love they have for one another. I can’t accept that. I think so much, I worry that so much of your views stem, not really with an issue with just marriage. I think some of it stems from an issue with homosexuality and you’ve described homosexuality as a lifestyle. You have said that homosexuality drives us further away from God. These are your comments. You run a blog called Ask the Bigot. And I think that there are people in this country who have different views on same sex marriage. They’re entitled to have different views on same sex marriage. People are going to have the debate but I think we have to have that debate at a higher level and, I’m sorry, but I think this American evangelical claptrap is the last thing we need in the debate.”””

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s4273039.htm

    #hey team-cheerer, l`m starting to like sam and his ability to create some `brand-differentiation`, if he keeps this up, he may manage to drag blib`s arse over the line

  141. August 18, 2015 11:11 pm

    splatter”””Green types become about birds shredded by windmills”””’

    #yeah l don`t know why they went with the windmill style turbines either, l know the bird-kill is pretty low as the birds see`em and stay away, night-vision used on docos, bats get knocked out of ball-park

    #they probably should have gone with the vertical turbines that the china pearl river? project used, they don`t need to rotate into the wind and generate no matter which direction the wild comes from

    #china ahead again

  142. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 7:18 am

    Labor are getting serious. But does anybody believe that yabots pick Cosgrove will do anything about yabots pick heydon?

    Labor has given notice that it will seek Senate support for an extraordinary motion calling on the governor general, Peter Cosgrove, to terminate the royal commission into trade unions because of the dispute over the commissioner, Dyson Heydon.

    The party – which remains furious about the dismissal of the Whitlam government by the then governor general, John Kerr, in 1975 – insists it is within the Senate’s power to convey the request, and it would be up to Cosgrove to consider how to handle it.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/18/labor-to-ask-governor-general-to-close-union-inquiry-over-dyson-heydon-row

  143. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 8:16 am

    Nothing sums up this debacle better than the loons at the pond

    But it was that last exuberant line that made the pond sit up and realise that at last we now know what’s really going on here, behind all that jibber jabber about a high falutin’, artsy, highbrow, poncy, legal lecture.

    QED, the RC was all about union power, and destroying unions, and it was succeeding, destroying them, or at least smiting them mightily, and hopefully the ALP with it, so that Liberals might rule unchallenged for a thousand years, or at least until the twelfth of never …

    And now the nakedly political point of the exercise has been rooned, rooned the dog botherer tells ya, and now we’re all gunna have to join a union, because it’s been rooned, rooned …

    http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2015/08/in-which-dog-botherer-sends-valiant.html#.VdOtw5d8lyA

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 8:48 am

    Now that is hilariously stupid.

    The party that Kerr dismissed from government, which has rightly distained the use of this reserve power by the monarchy, now wants to rely on the monarchy!!

    FMD, this is proof that the ALP is f**ked.

  145. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:01 am

    now wants to rely on the monarchy!

    Do you mean the current law of the land?

    That’s as stupid as blaming Shorten for workchoices

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:03 am

    It really is an absolute disgrace by the ALP to use the senate (“unrepresentative swill” – Keating) to seek the termination of a commission by the Governor General.

    This is exactly the same power Kerr used to terminate Whitlam’s commission as Prime Minister, which followed rank political opportunism by the opposition and minor parties in the senate.

    It was this action in 1975 that turned decent people (permanently) off Fraser, Liberals and the monarchy.

    The ALP is now full of unethical hypocrites.

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:05 am

    So Tom R, I suppose you’d be happy with the argument that Fraser, Kerr, Bjelke Peterson, the DLP all just followed “the law of the land”?

    FITH

  148. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:17 am

    Yes, maintain the rage

    You might recall that smashing the unions and through them labor, is what Howard’s Workchoices was all about too. Many commentators could see the ideology behind the grand plan. Now they are trying another tack with a RC.

    People think they are electing a conservative govt on their promises to govern well and all they get is a team of ideologues who do nothing but use every trick in the legal system, fair or foul, to destroy their opponents. They are not even trying for good government, just smiting labor so they can carry out their dastardly plans on the nation unopposed by a HM Opposition. If they had a dungeon in parliament house, shorten would be in it.

    Hardly democratic. Hardly good government. Is this what we get now?

  149. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:18 am

    yomm, they are seeking to use the GG power to terminate a political witch hunt, not a democratically elected Government.

    You are getting shill. I assume this means you are worried.

    Don’t be. nobody believes that yabots pick Cosgrove will do anything about yabots pick heydon?

  150. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:20 am

    Meanwhile, leadershit has raised its ugly head again

  151. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:24 am

    It is bizarre that on a matter of principle, your reply is “don’t be shrill” and “the GG probably won’t do it anyway”

    The act itself just shows how far the ALP has fallen-
    • Run by union hacks
    • Excuses corrupt thugs
    • Can’t reform and won’t even acknowledge the need to.

    Using a senate stunt to seek the termination of a commission by the monarchy is inexcusable by the ALP.

    …and you’re using exactly the same justification that Fraser and Bjelke Peterson used (it’s the law of the land)

    FITH

  152. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:27 am

    Dyson heydon could always stand down, I think he should if he actually does have the integrity that they all say he has.

  153. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:29 am

    They are not even trying for good government

    You get the impression they gave up on that after their first budget shambles

    Listening to hockey talking about reform and jobs is like listening to yomm talking about workers rights.

  154. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:31 am

    lol, Shorten plays leadershit 🙂

    “I don’t believe Mr Abbott will be running the Liberal Party in the future for too long,” the Labor leader said, clearly relishing the Coalition’s discomfort over the way forward on same sex marriage, the controversy surrounding Justice Dyson Heydon and continuing questions over the Prime Minister’s judgement.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2015/08/19/bill-shorten-climate-change-election_n_8006184.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

  155. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:33 am

    Using a senate stunt to continue to highlight the position yabot has put heyson in 😉

    Of course, it won’t work, but it will keep it churning along until heyson is forced to do the right thing.

    I think he should if he actually does have the integrity that they all say he has.

    Interesting, that’s what yabots latest favourite legal professional thinks too 😉

  156. Walrus permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:34 am

    “Many commentators could see the ideology behind the grand plan. Now they are trying another tack with a RC. “‘

    Yes if you call 3 arrests, and 23 ex and current unionists being referred to Commonwealth and State agencies I can clearly see that Heydon is showing his bias against criminals.

    Not to mention all the uncovering of side deals and the use of false invoices ( criminally illegal in itself) and “donations” of party hacks.

    Of course Shorten will now have his chance to discredit the Commission in his next round of evidence. I’m sure he counts down the days looking forward to it.

  157. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:36 am

    I think it’s best that he stands down and the government draft new terms of reference that incorporates evidence already provided.

    There is no way it is in the public interest to stop the enquiry given the nature of the disclosures to date.

    Having Heydon step down would also create an ethical precedent which should also cause Triggs to resign.
    …………….
    But it remains breathtaking hypocrisy for the ALP to propose using the unrepresentative swill and the tainted monaco to support their stunt.

  158. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:42 am

    Yes if you call 3 arrests, and 23 ex and current unionists being referred to Commonwealth and State agencies I can clearly see that Heydon is showing his bias against criminals.

    Arrests?

    And yes, his bias is showing all too clearly

    http://commissionwatch.com.au/wilsons-statement-read-part-radio/

    I think it’s best that he stands down

    I AGREE!

    There is no way it is in the public interest to crank up another witch hunt considering how little this has actually done, with such a biased person in charge. 😉

    Having Heydon step down would also create an ethical precedent which should also cause Triggs to resign.

    How so, is Triggs a judge presiding over a tribunal matter at the same time as making an appearance at a political fundraiser?

  159. Walrus permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:43 am

    On another topic the Ashley Maddison hacking files have been published online.

    There will be a few very worried people out and about today

    http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/ashley-madison-hack-cheaters-details-dumped-online-20150818-gj2b77.html

  160. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:53 am

    The act itself just shows how far the ALP has fallen-
    • Run by union corporate donationshacks
    • Excuses corrupt thugs
    • Can’t reform and won’t even acknowledge the need to…

    I would say the same about the libs except change union hacks to corporate donations and lobbyists. They have plenty of corrupt thugs and bully boys in their own ranks, and while labor has introduced some reform, the libs have done absolutely nothing about their own much needed party reform.

    You’ve become as one eyed as neil tomM.

  161. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:56 am

    Did I miss something, is Triggs holding a RC?

  162. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:56 am

    Ashley Maddison hacking files have been published online.

    And at the same time reb has fled the country.

    Not that I’m reading anything into that? 😉

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2015 9:58 am

    Labor are getting serious. But does anybody believe that yabots pick Cosgrove will do anything about yabots pick heydon?

    Have you got a “bug” in my family room, TR?

  164. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:00 am

    Did I miss something, is Triggs holding a RC?

    The shills seem to think so ao

    There has been a lively little convo going on over her about it

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2015/08/18/should-triggs-step-down-too/comment-page-1/#comment-1772002

    And bert of city is spot on over here

    Which of course would be a problem if Triggs was presiding over a Royal Commission into the Liberal Party organisation and fund raising.

    But she is not.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/but_its_fine_if_judges_speak_at_labor_events_of_course/

    I wonder if the post will be snipped, or just let the rabids go at it?

  165. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:01 am

    Have you got a “bug” in my family room, TR?

    If you are relating to the computer, I prefer the term “bot” 😉

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:01 am

    It was this action in 1975 that turned decent people (permanently) off Fraser, Liberals and the monarchy.

    Well two of ’em are still here … and still fucking the place up …

  167. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:09 am

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2015/08/18/should-triggs-step-down-too/comment-page-1/#comment-1772002

    I never go into that rancid cesspit by choice tomR, they are a very good example of conservative thugs/bullies. It would be like volunteering to be stoned to death.

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:10 am

    Chuckle … @ TR … obviously a fan of Cosgrove and his military record … just a pity he’s as blue as they come politically!

    And Abbott bestowed one of those stupid knighthoods on him too.

    Oh, I said the same as you re Cosgrove’s “impartiality” last night. In my family room! 😉

  169. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:12 am

    From Walrus’s Ashley madison link:

    the site is a scam with thousands of fake female profiles. See ashley madison fake profile lawsuit; 90-95 per cent of actual users are male. Chances are your man signed up on the world’s biggest affair site, but never had one. He just tried to. If that distinction matters.

    Or he may have found what he was looking for among the 90-95%.

  170. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:12 am

    Oh, I said the same as you re Cosgrove’s “impartiality” last night.

    I know 😉

  171. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:13 am

    Classic bait and switch.

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:17 am

    I wonder if the post will be snipped, or just let the rabids go at it?

    There are quite a few quite rational comments there, TR, explaining very calmly and quietly to Mr Bolt that he’s a Fuckwit™!!!

    I don’t normally go to the darkside these days … I’ve got to have a shower … ugh!

  173. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:23 am

    So apparently perceived lack of bias should only apply to Royal Commissioners, who have no power (other than administration like scheduling and appearances) to issue directions, orders and determinations, unlike Triggs.

    Their reports are unenforceable.

    Triggs has wide ranging powers, but union apologists defend her right to exercise political bias and the perception of bias.

  174. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:25 am

    they are a very good example of conservative thugs/bullies”

    I’m not sure about that, but we’ve obviously been too soft on Tom R here.

  175. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:28 am

    Mr Integrity – Dyson Heydon holds both his and the Royal Commissions integrity in his hands
    http://wixxyleaks.com/mr-integrity-dyson-heydon-holds-both-his-and-the-royal-commissions-integrity-in-his-hands/

    …Whilst in attendance at the Commission I witnessed and was involved in several instances that would bring the integrity of the Commission into question, however as far as I am aware nothing has ever been done to address any of these issues…

  176. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:28 am

  177. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:30 am

    So apparently perceived lack of bias should only apply to Royal Commissioners

    Read the discussion (among the rw rants) over at catallexy if you can’t come to terms with the difference yomm

    Hint, is Triggs a Judge? Was she running a tribunal at the time?

  178. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:32 am

    Next apologist! Wicks!!

    Has he suggested Heydon “shared an office” with Triggs (or something)?

  179. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:36 am

    …Triggs has wide ranging powers, but union apologists defend her right to exercise political bias and the perception of bias…

    Where’s the bias with actual facts presented in a report about the horrific abuse of children in detention centres? Actually, if she has all these supposed legal powers that you claim, they seem to have been ignored by the govt. None of the facts have been disputed BTW.

  180. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:40 am

    None of the facts have been disputed BTW.

    Probably because non one in the grubmint have actually even read the report.

    That is how much power she wields.

  181. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:43 am

    It was this action in 1975 that turned decent people (permanently) off Fraser, Liberals and the monarchy.

    So i am not a decent person?

  182. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:43 am

    No wonder he’s digging in. Money for nothing, and his kicks are free.

    EMBATTLED Trade Union Royal Commissioner Justice Dyson Heydon will be forced to give up an annual salary of close to $1 million if he steps down from his position amid continued controversy.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/dyson-heydon-gets-paid-close-to-1-million-for-royal-commission-work/story-fntzoymk-1227489487600

  183. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:45 am

    is this bias? when wilson told the RC that je was offered $200,000 to implicate gillard and heydon thought it best to have that bit struck out of the transcript.

  184. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:46 am

  185. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:46 am

    So, windfarms = bad, but

  186. Walrus permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:55 am

    “Commission I witnessed and was involved in several instances that would bring the integrity of the Commission into question,….”

    Crap !

    If you read the link its pretty clear that Wixx’s own commentary on the RC was an poor attempt to create a “circus” via confrontations resulting from the bad blood he himself brewed up between him and the Jackson crowd over the last few years.

    He went out of his way to seek confrontation

    It had nothing to do with the integrity of the RC.

    Wixx is as usual a BULSHITTER

  187. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:56 am

    AO – If it is such clear bias for Heydon to decline to speak at a Liberal function, perhaps explain why it isn’t biased for Triggs to actually speak at an ALP function.

  188. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:57 am

    I believe Wicks ‘shares an office” with Triggs!!!

    (that is, they may live in the same city)

  189. Walrus permalink
    August 19, 2015 10:58 am

    “………..when wilson told the RC that je was offered $200,000 to implicate gillard”

    Perhaps because this last moment allegation was made in desperation by a known liar

  190. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 11:11 am

    AO – If it is such clear bias for Heydon to decline to speak at a Liberal function, perhaps explain why it isn’t biased for Triggs to actually speak at an ALP function.

    Some things I’d like to know first. Was her report already finished at the time of the labor party event or was she still in the middle of her investigation?

    Heydon declined only when fairfax media revealed the event.

  191. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 11:14 am

    Perhaps because this last moment allegation was made in desperation by a known liar

    That may well be, but they took blewitt at his word regarding Gillard.

    See the bias

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2015 11:15 am

    AO – If it is such clear bias for Heydon to decline to speak at a Liberal function, perhaps explain why it isn’t biased for Triggs to actually speak at an ALP function.

    Hydon accepted and then declined when he was caught out … yer playing silly buggers with words and facts …

    If it was OK why did Heydon rescind his acceptance? Why did Heydon accept that he would hear a case for him to recuse himself? (Because there is a case).

    Go back and read the comments and links above … comprehension – Kneel …

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2015 11:20 am

    Perhaps because this last moment allegation was made in desperation by a known liar</I?

    Maybe we should have a RC after the next election to examine Tricky Dicky Abbott's lying to the Australian people and all his broken and fraudulent promises …

    … personally I wouldn't waste the money … we already know his modus operandi … he just keeps on getting caught with his knickers down … all bullies end up getting it where it hurts …

  194. Walrus permalink
    August 19, 2015 11:23 am

    “………..but they took blewitt at his word regarding Gillard.”

    Because his version was/had been consistent over an extended period of time and was believable

    Wilson blurted out the never before heard allegation in a last minute panic

  195. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 11:24 am

    Was her report already finished at the time of the labor party event or was she still in the middle of her investigation?

    Yes, even dolt admits that

    He forgets to clarify that Triggs aint a Judge, or that she was not presiding over a tribunal (even IF the report coincided, which might have raised issues, I’m not sure)

    I’m pretty sure the likes of chris kenny who the loonpond so admirably showed up this morning (yesterday?) will sink back to lying about Triggs and her discussions with Labor people again, but that’s to be expected.

  196. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 11:25 am

    Because his version was/had been consistent over an extended period of time and was believable

    Oh, you’re breaking me up. I don’t think his story remained the same within the sentences ROFL

  197. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 11:26 am

    Also, was the event a fundraiser? I haven’t seen anything that asks for money to attend the event or a donation to attend and as far as I can see it was an open invite to the general public.

    And none of the people trying to mount a defence of heydon’s bias have suggested it was a fundraiser.

    Something I’ve been saying for a long time.

    t’s Time To Make The Politicians Wear Their Religion On Their Sleeve – See more at:
    https://newmatilda.com/2015/08/17/its-time-make-politicians-wear-their-religion-their-sleeve

  198. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 11:30 am

    The next election format laid out

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 11:31 am

    So Triggs gets a 7 year appointment and therefore can just show her bias whenever.

  200. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 11:31 am

    And just ……… because 🙂

  201. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 11:35 am

    He forgets to clarify that Triggs aint a Judge,

    From what I could find on the HRC website, she came to the job as a barrister.

    …She was Dean of the Faculty of Law and Challis Professor of International Law at the University of Sydney from 2007-12 and Director of the British Institute of International and Comparative Law from 2005-7. She is a former Barrister with Seven Wentworth Chambers and a Governor of the College of Law…

    Eminently qualified, but still not a judge.

  202. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 11:44 am

  203. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 11:47 am

    and therefore can just show her bias whenever.

    If you think that just attending a political function shows bias then you are lost

    freedom boy spoke at a greens fundraiser. Is he a greenie sympathiser now?

  204. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2015 11:58 am

    freedom boy spoke at a greens fundraiser”

    Fucking Commo!

  205. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 12:03 pm

    …That will then leave the federal government to work out how best to salvage the work of the Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption – brought undone not by Labor but by the Liberal Party itself. I believe the first act of the Prime Minister, on behalf of the party he leads, should be to extend a profound apology to Dyson Heydon…

    [Dr Simon Longstaff AO is Executive Director of The Ethics Centre]

  206. Walrus permalink
    August 19, 2015 12:10 pm

    “…..but that’s to be expected.”

    Kina like your lying about your sleazy mate Thommo and his “settlement” with Fairfax ay TomR ?

  207. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 12:12 pm

  208. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 12:14 pm

    Wow, you are clinging to that aren’t ya wally.

    Anything to stop you going under I guess 😉

    You fail to acknowledge that I acknowledged it once it was pointed out, but, such is ….

    Meanwhile, Penny Wong calls the bullshit

    Labor supports trade liberalisation because more trade means more jobs, more economic growth and better living standards, a media release from Shadow Minister for Trade Penny Wong said yesterday.

    “We welcome CAFTA’s improvements in market access for Australian exporters in the agriculture, resources, manufacturing and services sectors,” she said.

    “But CAFTA’s provisions on temporary skilled migration constitute another broken promise by Mr Abbott that will hurt ordinary Australians.”

    Last year, Abbott promised the Coalition would retain labour market testing – the requirement for employers to show they cannot find suitable local workers before they bring in temporary migrants.

    Instead, the Abbott government has dropped labour market testing for Chinese-funded infrastructure projects worth $150 million or more.

    https://www.laborherald.com.au/economy/the-china-deal-is-another-broken-promise/?utm_content=buffer4d9e2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

  209. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 12:16 pm

    Penny Wong has been busy 😉

  210. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 12:16 pm

  211. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 12:17 pm

    OK, is a Royal Commission a court?

  212. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 12:18 pm

  213. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 12:20 pm

  214. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 12:23 pm

  215. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 12:34 pm

  216. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 12:39 pm

    Wixx is as usual a BULSHITTER

  217. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 12:42 pm

    oooh, ouch

    Too late I think. Voters are hanging out for their day at the polling booth.

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2015 12:54 pm

    $1.3 million … about the same as Dyson Heydon’s annual salary package – not counting his very generous judge’s superannuation … ’cause he isn’t on an earning’s limit like “ordinary” Australian pensioners …

    Robber Baron’s rules …

    Hypocrites all!

  219. Walrus permalink
    August 19, 2015 12:55 pm

    “For all those who thought I was a conspiracy nut for years, sorry the Federal Court has just shot you down”

    Not really. I dont think too many of us are surprised that Jackson was also corrupt along with Wixxys mates Thommo and Williamson

  220. Walrus permalink
    August 19, 2015 12:57 pm

    “You fail to acknowledge that I acknowledged it once it was pointed out, but, such is ….”

    And how many times did that take ?

  221. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 1:08 pm

    Now all they need to do is get jackson’s partner, michael lawler off the public teat. Another capt’s pick of a wonderfully biased quasi-judicial appointment where only parliament can sack him. How long has he been on sick leave?

    Vote Liberal again? I don’t think I could bring myself to do it
    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/time-for-the-nobodies-of-australia-to-take-a-stand-against-bad-government-20150818-gj1gk6.html

    …If Tony Abbott wants to promote his religious beliefs, he should do so from a pulpit and get out of politics…

    …I believe many people in the electorate are wondering if there is anyone in the parliamentary Liberal party who is prepared to challenge – and displace – a manifestly inadequate leader. It seems there are few, if any, risk-takers prepared to express what they really think and to take their chances.
    Of late, what I particularly dislike is that it appears decisions are being based on the leader’s personal beliefs (particularly religious), rather than the expectations of the electorate or democratic process…

    …I should also perhaps add that, for the 30 odd years I have been able to vote, I have always voted liberal, but I now feel completely disenfranchised…

  222. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 1:24 pm

    Wicks = Mr Credibility

    Does Wicks “share an office” with the presiding judge?

    He’s a complete joke/hack/non entity.

  223. Walrus permalink
    August 19, 2015 1:34 pm

    Kathy Jackson + Michael Williamson + Thommo + CFMEU + AWU + Shifty Bill

    ..EQUALS… Why there is a need for a Royal Commission into many of the Trade Unions

  224. Walrus permalink
    August 19, 2015 1:37 pm

    From AO’s Link

    “Of late, what I particularly dislike is that it appears decisions are being based on the leader’s personal beliefs (particularly religious), rather than the expectations of the electorate or democratic process…”

    Irish Plebescite = Good

    Australian Plebescite = Bad

  225. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 1:49 pm

    there’s more from latika

    Dyson Heydon slammed Rudd, Gillard governments as ‘non-substantive’ in 2013 speech:
    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dyson-heydon-slammed-rudd-government-as-nonsubstantive-in-2013-speech-20150819-gj2d2g.html#ixzz3jEGFiZF0

    …Video has emerged of royal commissioner Dyson Heydon slamming Kevin Rudd’s government as “non-substantive” at a free-market think-tank event…

    …In a roundtable hosted by the classically liberal and free-market think-tank the Centre for Independent Studies in June 2013, Mr Heydon took aim at Labor’s regulation of the charities sector.

    At the time the comments were made Mr Heydon was recently retired from the High Court, former Labor leader Julia Gillard was still prime minister and it was about eight months before Mr Heydon was appointed by the Coalition to head the Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption…

  226. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2015 2:00 pm

    There has been a lively little convo going on over here [Catallaxy]”

    Good of you to publicise your own trolling, Tom R.

    The commenters at Catallaxy understood Ton R immediately:

    “Tom, would you have us believe that you, yourself, are simply a paid labor shill trolling this blog?”

    “Poor Tom R – the butt hurt is making him cranky”

    “Who is this new clown?”

    “The stupid is strong in this one.”

    “Ok folks, Tom R is now starting to fail basic comprehension. He is not using words to mean what they are normally taken to mean. Can I have an interpreter, please?”

    “Possible translation:
    The nurse has taken away my pill case, and chilled my bed pan also.”

    Perceptive lot too:

    ” Or Tom, would you have us believe that you, yourself, are simply a paid labor shill trolling this blog?”

    Very perceptive indeed:

    “This scum has outed himself. It isn’t a young and naïve student operating under the delusion that he’s a “progressive” – Tom R is coming here to deliberately push lies and smear to facilitate union corruption. what a total grub Tom is.”

    I think these were intended to be ironic:

    “Bravo Tom R, I admire your work. “

    “Tom R, welcome to the blog and good luck.”

  227. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2015 2:06 pm

    “For all those who thought I was a conspiracy nut for years”

    Wicks is a conspiracy nut because he kept up special pleadings for Thommo to the bitter end and then did not even acknowledge the findings of fact that Thomson used union funds to root whores. He made a fools of those rusted-ons who believed him like Tom R.

  228. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2015 2:14 pm

    “Video has emerged of royal commissioner Dyson Heydon slamming Kevin Rudd’s government as “non-substantive” at a free-market think-tank event…”

    So Dyson agrees with the ALP who sacked that dysfunctional fucker. It is shame they foisted him and Gillard on the unsuspecting Australian public. If enduring them wasn’t enough, the fact that they were such utterly incompetent turds made it possible for Abbott to get elected. That means we have been without even the semblance of good government since 1993.

  229. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 2:16 pm

    December 19, 2014

    Failure to deal with Kathy Jackson undermines credibility of Royal Commission

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/failure-to-deal-with-kathy-jackson-undermines-credibility-of-royal-commission-20141219-12aof9.html#ixzz3jENObCkl

    What do you do when your star witness in a politically motivated inquiry turns out to be an alleged thief who may have stolen more than $1 million? Just ignore it.
    The credibility of the Royal Commission into trade union governance and corruption should suffer a serious blow from its glaring omissions on the allegedly corrupt behaviour of Kathy Jackson and how it has treated her throughout these hearings.
    The inquiry has always appeared politically motivated but the question was, despite this, was it a worthwhile process to root out corruption in the union movement and lead to a well-needed overhaul of questionable governance practices around slush funds and the like. The jury has been out on that.

    Yet the 1817-page interim report by Commissioner Dyson Heydon dealt with a range of issues both serious and trivial but ignored Jackson…
    …Jackson was always the commission’s star witness and treated far too gently when she first appeared in June. That only started to change when the evidence mounted against her.
    How seriously can the rest of the recommendations of this interim report be treated when this commission is prepared to ignore such serious allegations against a friendly witness? …

  230. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 2:18 pm

    Pretty sure heydon’s treatment of jackson could also be called bias.

  231. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2015 2:29 pm

    “How seriously can the rest of the recommendations of this interim report be treated when this commission is prepared to ignore such serious allegations against a friendly witness?”

    Spin, spin, spin little lickspittle. Anything to cover up Union corruption.

  232. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 2:37 pm

    no sb, I wanted the process to be even handed. To completely clean up the entire system and have advocated for that from day one. To look at one side of politics only was always a political witch hunt, what the country needed was a RC into the political supports and funding of both parties.

    I am not naive enough to believe that only unions are corrupt.

    If we had a RC into both we might have really cleaned up the mess of corruption and crony capitalism that is our political system.

  233. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2015 2:49 pm

    Any excuse to ignore Unionland corruption!

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2015 2:50 pm

    Perceptive lot too:

    ” Or Tom, would you have us believe that you, yourself, are simply a paid labor shill trolling this blog?”

    The commenters at Catallaxy understood Ton R immediately:

    “Tom, would you have us believe that you, yourself, are simply a paid labor shill trolling this blog?”

    WoW! You really do get excited over, TR … chuckle 🙂

    Spin, spin, spin little lickspittle. Anything to cover up Liberal ideological corruption, prejudice, religious influence and bias.

    And other such things … (editor) 😉

  235. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 2:55 pm

    think these were intended to be ironic:

    Interestingly, amongst all that name calling, nobody answered my question, or could say WHY Triggs was biased, except that “she always was”

    did not even acknowledge the findings of fact that Thomson used union funds to root whores

    I think you will find that he did, and that the charges related to withdrawing cash, the purposes which the Judge said she had no idea what it was used for. Why she had to specifically mention that it could have been used on prostitutes. who knows. Considering how the entire affair was orchestrated, and with what we see now at turc, it’s probably best not to ruminate.

    For your “education”, if that is possible

    As for the 13 charges Thomson was found guilty of, it is interesting to note that these charges were amended by the Judge after the hearing. This means that Thomson and his legal team were completely unable to mount a defence against these charges. Knowing what these charges were to be would more than likely have changed the entire strategy of their defence. After all it is hard to defend yourself against the unknown. The ammending of charges after a hearing is highly unusual and it is perhaps only the amendment to those charges that allowed Judge Douglas to find Thomson guilty of anything at all.

    http://wixxyleaks.com/free-to-run-no-jail-for-craig-thomson/

  236. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2015 2:59 pm

    I’ve been down that rabbit-hole with you once already, Tom R. Not again.

  237. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 3:02 pm

    WoW! You really do get excited over, TR … chuckle

    Great, now I need a shower! … ugh!

  238. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 3:05 pm

    I’ve been down that rabbit-hole with you once already

    Aww, c’mon alice

  239. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 3:08 pm

    fer sb

  240. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2015 3:13 pm

    “Anything to cover up Liberal ideological corruption, prejudice, religious influence and bias.”

    Didn’t you even read what I wrote above?

    Here’s the thing, TB. When ICAC exposed Liberal corruption I was supportive of their efforts and critical of the Lib crooks and the structural arrangements in the Liberal party that made that sort of corruption inevitable.

    I don’t get the screeching about TURC being biased. They are looking at union corruption. That doesn’t mean that they have to also investigate something Labor wants looked into.

    Looks to me that the people who are really biased are the ones who have already decided they will take no notice of the findings.

  241. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2015 3:17 pm

    This white rabbit hole – you’ve got to be on fucking drugs to support the CFMEU:

  242. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 3:20 pm

    you’ve got to be on fucking drugs to support the CFMEU:

    You say that like it’s a bad thing?

  243. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2015 3:28 pm

    I’m too old for NWOHM. But I have to say that Iron Maiden do great T-shirts.

  244. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 3:37 pm

    I’m too old for NWOHM

    They were just the right time for me, and the old farts are still kicking it. They delayed the last album because the lead singer had a throat cancer scare. But he kept himself busy 😉

    http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/may/22/iron-maidens-bruce-dickinson-to-help-set-up-african-airline

  245. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2015 3:44 pm

    Looks to me that the people who are really biased are the ones who have already decided they will take no notice of the findings.

    Certainly not corrupted findings … thank you, Mr Abbott … Tricky Dicky’s Sticky fingers …

  246. Walrus permalink
    August 19, 2015 3:52 pm

    “…Jackson was always the commission’s star witness and treated far too gently when she first appeared in June. That only started to change when the evidence mounted against her.
    How seriously can the rest of the recommendations of this interim report be treated when this commission is prepared to ignore such serious allegations against a friendly witness? …”

    D’uh………………….perhaps it “started to change when the evidence mounted against her”

  247. Walrus permalink
    August 19, 2015 3:55 pm

    “Certainly not corrupted findings … thank you,”

    Which will be based on evidence and then referred to the appropriate bodies for no further action or perhaps prosecution.

    That’s when the public will decide.

    In wont be based on your “Vibes” but on the Evidence that is publicly unearthed over the coming months.

    And that’s exactly why you Lefties are so fucking shit scared of it all.

  248. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 3:58 pm

    Sure Kathy Jackson has been nailed and I have no problem with that. This outcome simply demonstrates that corruption exists in unions regardless of political complexion.

    But the hilarious part is that the one eyed union apologists like Tom R and Wicks continue to show support for Thompson, even though he’s a proven liar and a convicted criminal.

  249. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 3:59 pm

    By the way… is a Royal Commission a court?

  250. Walrus permalink
    August 19, 2015 3:59 pm

    “When ICAC exposed Liberal corruption I was supportive of their efforts and critical of the Lib crooks and the structural arrangements in the Liberal party that made that sort of corruption inevitable.”

    Exactly…………………………..but for the Lefties its a “Team thing”

    I’m surprised the Union movement doesn’t have its own guernsey

    Oh wait a minute I just stumbled accross a photo of TomR’s bedroom floor

  251. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 4:00 pm

    Sure Kathy Jackson has been nailed and I have no problem with that.

    Was it a charity nail?

  252. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 4:07 pm

    By the way… is a Royal Commission a court?

    It is a quasi-judicial tribunal where the Commissioner has the same protection and immunity as a Justice of the High Court

  253. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 4:16 pm

    I see, so it isn’t a court.

    I think the HRC is a tribunal too.

  254. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 4:20 pm

    I see, so it isn’t a court.</i.

    No, it "akin" to a court, and with that, carries the same protections, and therefore, obligations.

    I think the HRC is a tribunal too.

    I “think” you might want to do some research.

  255. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 4:26 pm

    If you do not provide the information in the timeframe or you do not respond at all, the President of the Commission has power under the law to compel you to provide the information. The law also says that the President can compel people and organisations to attend conciliation.

  256. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 4:32 pm

    I AGREE!!!

    A Royal Commission isn’t a court!

  257. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 4:35 pm

    Does that mean it can act like a court, or that it can call powers up that can?

    I also know that it can, if required, have it’s own “tribunals”, that may or may not have the same power as a Royal Commission (I don’t think it is quite as powerful, but, regardless) was one of these tribunals in place at the time?

    I’ll give you a hint, they had just finished the report into children in detention 😉

    As I have said many times, Heydon got done because yabot extended the RC. They reached for the stars, and grabbed a handful of SUCKED SHIT!

  258. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 4:37 pm

    😆

    “We shouldn’t expect mining companies to have to obey the law like a common idiot,” said MacFarlane. “If we force these companies to live by rules and regulations than they’d only be able to build the mines that don’t violate any of our current laws. That would be disastrous.

    “The best mines are the ones that don’t care about the law. The people love a bad boy and they want bad boy mines. The kind of mines you can’t take home to meet the parents. The kind of mine that treats you like garbage but you love it all the same. Secretly, you know you deserve a bad mine. You want a bad mine.”

    http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2015/08/19/environmental-activists-accused-forcing-mining-companies-obey-law

  259. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 4:40 pm

    I AGREE!!!

    A Royal Commission isn’t a court!

    And you then agree that is in fact a quasi-judicial tribunal where the Commissioner has the same protection and immunity as a Justice of the High Court

  260. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 4:42 pm

    So let’s see.

    A Royal Commission can compel people to provide information and write reports that may be politically embarrassing.

    Just like the HRC!

  261. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 4:52 pm

    I don’t get the screeching about TURC being biased. They are looking at union corruption. That doesn’t mean that they have to also investigate something Labor wants looked into.

    They should if they want to appear to the public to be acting as an impartial, responsible and credible government.
    They’re meant to be governing for the whole nation, a democratic government includes the legitimate opposition, otherwise it’s a tyrannical dictatorship.

    That’s the bias, a liberal government appointing a RC into union corruption, knowing that the unions are labor’s funding/support base and that their own supporters, corporate groups hate the unions as the only thing that standing between them and their complete control of the workforce. The govt using state power to perform a hatchet job on behalf of their supporter’s enemy.

    If they can’t make it fair, they shouldn’t be using public funds to destroy their political opponents, they should pay for party political attacks out of liberal party funds.
    50% of voters support labor, they don’t have a mandate for a political witch hunt disguised as ‘union corruption’ when they won’t go near the other side of the coin, corporate corruption.

    I don’t blame you sb, conservatives always have great difficulty in recognising bias, prejudice and unfairness, it is their natural state of being and they can never see anything wrong in it.

  262. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 4:54 pm

    A Royal Commission can compel people to provide information and write reports that may be politically embarrassing.

    Won’t anybody think of the children!

  263. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 5:08 pm

    conservatives always have great difficulty in recognising bias…””

    Really?

    Quite unlike the ethical, consistent & rational union apologists (apparently)

  264. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2015 5:09 pm

    “They should if they want to appear to the public to be acting as an impartial, responsible and credible government.
    They’re meant to be governing for the whole nation, a democratic government includes the legitimate opposition, otherwise it’s a tyrannical dictatorship.”

    Wah wah wah! It is hilarious to watch the whining classes go nuts just because their pet corrupt unions are under the spotlight.

    Unionland has been rotten to the core for decades. Good on the government for having the courage to shine a light in that sewer.

    No surprise that the ALP and Greens is dancing to the tune of their source of funding, the CFMEU. The O’Connor marionettes are tripping up in each others’ strings. Life is so incestuous in Unionland. Everyone is either related or fucking each other and, no doubt, quite often both.

  265. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2015 5:15 pm

    And that’s exactly why you Lefties are so fucking shit scared of it all.

    So shrill … no-one is “scared” … but fair and judicial process is a simple issue* …

    … especially when the RC on Financial and Taxation Advisors is called next year …

    *unless organised by Tricky Dicky Abbott …

  266. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 5:25 pm

    Wah wah wah! It is hilarious to watch the whining classes go nuts just because their pet corrupt unions are under the spotlight.

    haha, if that’s all you’ve got I’ll declare myself the winner now and to be honest, that’s really all you’ve ever got! 😉

  267. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 19, 2015 5:36 pm

    I have no idea why ‘lefties’ should be “so fkn shit scared of it all”

    As an expensive, biased exercise, no-one will take any notice of it, it lacks credibility, authority and public acceptance. It won’t cause the political damage that it was created for, might even give labor more votes!

    Might as well write the final report on a post-it note “unions = BOO”

  268. Walrus permalink
    August 19, 2015 5:40 pm

    “… especially when the RC on Financial and Taxation Advisors is called next year …”

    I agree……………..I’m sick of being underpaid

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2015 6:00 pm

    Yeah, right, more BS … chuckle …

  270. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2015 6:05 pm

    “no-one will take any notice of it”

    Talk about pre-judging! The real issue is the evidence of corruption that comes out – or not.

    No lefty will be persuaded by any amount of evidence. They never are!

    And the CFMEU and the Unionland thugocracy will spend millions in members funds running a campaign to deflect any findings of corruption.

    The rest will consider the findings and whether they are backed by evidence. If more corruption is exposed people (other than lefty suck-arses) will be hoping the crooks are jailed.

  271. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 6:11 pm

    It is hilarious to watch the whining classes go nuts just because the high court judge of the witch hunt couldn’t remain unbiased

    The second edition of the national guide to chief court officers outlines some well-established principles. Among them is this one:

    “Although active participation in or membership of a political party before appointment would not of itself justify an allegation of judicial bias or an appearance of bias, it is expected that, on appointment, a judge will sever all ties with political parties. An appearance of continuing ties, such as might occur by attendance at political gatherings, political fund raising events or through contributions to a political party, should be avoided.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/union-royal-commissioner-dyson-heydon-has-a-problem-20150813-giyalk.html#ixzz3jFK3lLAY
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

    Poor yomm won’t work it out.

    I agree……………..I’m sick of being underpaid

    Does this mean A Great Big New Tax for accountants support?

  272. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 19, 2015 6:15 pm

    Everything is political these days. And I’m often taken aback by the harsh tone of some of the comments.

  273. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2015 6:17 pm

    Speaking of the Robber Baron Syndrome©

    Executive mentor Anthony Howard, who interviewed hundreds of CEOs for his book Humanise: Why Human-Centred Leadership is the key to the 21st Century, believes an obsession with money is holding us back.

    “At a local level, there are many leaders doing good work, but unfortunately we hear more negative stories,” Anthony told news.com.au. “There’s an overriding economic view, everything has an economic value. That view of life pervades everything: schools, hospitals, government.” …

    … “We’re not upgrading humans as fast as we are technology,” said Anthony. “We’re starting to treat people like another robot that we can get rid of, something mechanised. If I see you as a unit of economic production then I value you in terms of your output. It devalues and dehumanises you.”

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/how-amazon-has-it-all-wrong/story-fnkgbb6w-1227489086250

  274. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 6:18 pm

    Hers is a case of actual bias clearly demonstrated.

    Go on, clearly demonstrate it?

    Here’s a hint if you want to change your tune 😉

    https://theguttertrash.com/2015/02/25/an-open-letter-to-the-rest-of-the-world/#comment-96840

  275. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 6:20 pm

    And I’m often taken aback by the harsh tone of some of the comments.

    monkey see 😉

  276. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 6:37 pm

    Yeah!!

    I agree!!

    Heydon is a retired judge, and running a Royal Commission that isn’t a court.

    Plus he’s having a good look at nefarious union activities.

    SACK HIM!!

  277. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 7:07 pm

    Heydon is a retired judge, and running a Royal Commission that isn’t a court.

    But has the same standards applied. Why do you keep forgetting those pesky but VERY relevant details?

    Or is your bias showing too?

  278. Tom R permalink
    August 19, 2015 7:17 pm

    Do you laugh or cry?

    The grubmint wants to change the law for mining approvals (whilst at the same time making it harder for renewable projects) all because THEY FUCKED UP!

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    August 19, 2015 7:21 pm

    Oz, Yes Minister … you couldn’t make any of this shite up … no-one would watch it if it was serialised … they’d think it was too far fetched!

    Absofknlutely astounding!

  280. August 19, 2015 7:26 pm

    “This white rabbit hole – you’ve got to be on fucking drugs to support the CFMEU:”

    Well, I’m not on drugs, and I am a member.

    So take that quote and shove it up the hole in your chair, tucked in beneath your desk, and keep pushing until your guts erupt from your speaking orifice…

  281. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 19, 2015 7:56 pm

    Well, I’m not on drugs, and I am a member.

    Believe it or not i am a member of the NTEU. Unions are a necessary evil.

  282. August 19, 2015 8:19 pm

    People never cease to amaze me…

  283. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 19, 2015 8:29 pm

    Who hasn’t experienced being stuck in a washing machine?

  284. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2015 7:18 am

    Anybody
    What rubbish, those guards are nothing but brutal sadists who are given immunity from prosecution. You only have to read today’s paper to see that one of them made a false claim of being bashed just to prevent an AS from coming to Australia. The AS tried to kill himself three times.
    The treason being committed is what our govt. is doing in our name shrouded in total secrecy.
    The economic treason here is forcing Australian taxpayers to fund (at enormous cost) those concentration camps.

  285. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 8:11 am

    A Royal Commission can compel people to provide information and write reports that may be politically embarrassing.

    Just like the HRC!

    Yea, it has “people” too, just the HRC 😯

    TONY ABBOTT HAS HAD HIS CHARITY SHAG

    Gold 🙂

  286. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 8:18 am

    The worm has slowly turned

    Kathy Jackson played the nation’s conservative politicians and her one-time labour movement allies for fools.

    In the aftermath of the damning Federal Court judgment against her on Wednesday, the praise once lavished on the former union leader by those who too readily accepted her portrayal as a self-styled whistleblower now reads like a sick joke.

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/kathy-jackson-the-whistleblower-exposed-20150819-gj2vda#ixzz3jIm0sLN4
    Follow us: @FinancialReview on Twitter | financialreview on Facebook

    Was this a “charity” event?

  287. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 8:29 am

    Probably an opportune time to run back into the archives is it not 😉

    What do you do when your star witness in a politically motivated inquiry turns out to be an alleged thief who may have stolen more than $1 million? Just ignore it.

    The credibility of the Royal Commission into trade union governance and corruption should suffer a serious blow from its glaring omissions on the allegedly corrupt behaviour of Kathy Jackson and how it has treated her throughout these hearings.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/failure-to-deal-with-kathy-jackson-undermines-credibility-of-royal-commission-20141219-12aof9.html#ixzz3jIpKqKOw
    Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook

    It looked like a stitch up, it smelt like a stitch up, and now, with heydons forgetfulness, it even tastes like it.

  288. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:05 am

    It looked like a stitch up, it smelt like a stitch up, and now, with heydons forgetfulness, it even tastes like it

    What was the stitch up? The corruption looks even worse than people thought. The whistleblower was in on it to.

  289. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:16 am

    The corruption looks even worse than people thought.

    Then you see the problem, “looks”

    You know, a former PM is “acting”, a future (?) PM is “unreliable”

    “Looks” is what it is set up for.

  290. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:18 am

    Speaking of “looks”

    It is an admirable thing he is doing, highlighting the predicament of the cleaners, but, as someone in the comments pointed out, he is using Morning Fresh, a dishwashing liquid lol

  291. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:21 am

    “Looks” is what it is set up for.

    I have no idea what you are talking about. Seems like Katy jackson is as big a liar as Craig Thompson

  292. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:22 am

    “Well, I’m not on drugs, and I am a member.”

    You have a point. For a lot of people membership is not optional if they want to keep their job and have a quiet life..

    So tell me – do you get to ride around in their $100k Maloos? Are you patched yet? A made man?

  293. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:25 am

    “It looked like a stitch up, it smelt like a stitch up, and now, with heydons forgetfulness, it even tastes like it.”

    Spin little troll. Are you on the CFMEU payroll too, like the Greens and the ALP?

  294. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:31 am

    For a lot of people membership is not optional if they want to keep their job and have a quiet life.

    Yet any bludger can tag along along for free and yet still get the benefits the Unions and their paying members have fought hard and long for.

  295. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:35 am

    “benefits the Unions and their paying members have fought hard and long for

    I wonder whether you would care to list the current benefits that non members are receiving (as distinct from the benefits that were won decades ago).

  296. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:35 am

    I’ll take that as yes, Tom R.

  297. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:37 am

    Spin little troll.

    Call it Spin if you want, but just what is “justice” heydon bothering himself with today? 😉 😆

    Meanwhile, another failure of “privatisation”

    As controversy builds over Medibank’s tough new hospital contracts, AMA president Professor Brian Owler warns it “has the ability to threaten the balance between the public and private system right across the country”.

    The Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists warns seriously ill and suicidal patients will be pushed into the already overstretched public system as a result of Medibank’s policy.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/lifestyle/health/medibank-wont-pay-for-suicides-death-in-childbirth-or-falls-in-hospitals/story-fni0dguy-1227490397572

    Nice work if you can get it. We subsidise these vultures, and all they do is add to the load on Public hospitals. I thought the (lame) argument was that private was supposed to take a load of the public, not the other way around.

  298. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:38 am

    I bet non-members don’t get to ride around in the Come Fuck ME Ute:

  299. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:41 am

    I’ll take that as yes, Tom R.

    You can take it as you please, as you have obviously ignored everything I’ve said in hte past about that.

    I wonder whether you would care to list the current benefits that non members are receiving

    Getting rid of workchoices is one. Maintaining penalty rates is another. Did you want me to research as well. It would be redundant, because, guessing your position, you would probably be more aware of them than me.

  300. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:44 am

    Noice car sb. Is that jealousy gettin at ya?

  301. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:45 am

    How have unions maintained penalty rates? Those are award matters, and people act with a collective political will in protecting their interests.

  302. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:47 am

    … and gas bagging about conditions at FWA is a circus. It is windows dressing, a forum to give unions something to do.

  303. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:49 am

    Yeah, Tom R. I drive an Astra.

  304. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:50 am

    The coal mine is dead … long live the solar farm …

    The Sunshine Coast plans to meet the cost of its own electricity once the plant is at full production, saving the council about $9 million over 30 years, Mayor Mark Jamieson said.

    The Sunshine Coast is close to announcing the successful tender for the project.

    Although Brisbane has talked about it and Redland Council is moving towards the scheme, the Sunshine Coast Regional Council has a site, a budget and will soon announce the successful tender.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/sunshine-coast-closer-to-solar-farm-starting-before-christmas-20150819-gj3539.html

    Eat yer heart out, Sir Walter

  305. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 10:06 am

    Eat yer heart out, Sir Walter

    lol

  306. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 10:13 am

    How have unions maintained penalty rates?

    I guess you missed the massive Union campaign against workchoices, and every subsequent attempt by the vested interests to remove them? Every Award fought for by the Unions (which are constantly in flux) and that maintains rates, and garners increased provisions or pay rises, and then taken up by anyone working in the industry covered by that Award, owes their thanks to the Unions who negotiated that Award.

    But some people here seem to think it is a god given right for these Awards to applied to everyone without any financial return to those who fought for the conditions within.

    Kind of like it’s the god given right of private institutions to bludge of the public institutions, at the same time the public purse is subsidising their profits.

    Support for bludgers is strong still.

  307. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2015 10:16 am

    So Kathy Jackson is as corrupt as Craig Thompson. I am having trouble working out the point lefties are trying to make.

    I think stealing money from lowly paid cleaners is about as low as you can get. Furthermore it is donated money.

  308. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2015 10:26 am

    Thomson is a convicted criminal. Jackson still enjoys the presumption of innocence.

    Tom R was very big on the presumption of innocence when it applies to Thomson. Not so much when it comes to Jackson. Unionland abhors whistle-blowers and anyone else shining a light into that sewer.

  309. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2015 10:34 am

    “HuffPo – just what we need another bunch of lefty dittoheads!”

    I could be wrong on that.

    HuffPo also has an Arabic version:

    Liberal news outlet Huffington Post has defended its Arabic edition – claiming that openly homophobic columns “represent” people’s views.

  310. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 10:40 am

    So Heydon is likely to dismiss the application for him to stand down from the TURC.

    Unions will then go to the Federal Court, where they will probably lose too, though they might just finish up with a biased Federal Court judge and there are plenty of them.

    As they continue to lose, will unions and their barrackers admit they’re wrong?

  311. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2015 10:45 am

    “As they continue to lose, will unions and their barrackers admit they’re wrong?”

    Not possible. Ideologues are never wrong.

  312. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 10:52 am

    Thomson is a convicted criminal.

    under very dubious circumstances, yet convicted he is

    Jackson still enjoys the presumption of innocence.

    Well, I think that is shattered now, don’t you?

    As they continue to lose

    Perhaps you should wait until they “lose” even one before popping the corks yomm. And, let’s face it, the chances of Heydon saying he’s biased … pretty low me reckons, else he woulda stood down by now

  313. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 10:57 am

    The union apologists must be annoyed with this too!

    But most of the union apologists didn’t even understand that the majority of unions weren’t in support of the self-interested ALAEA.

    Qantas …will make its first payout to shareholders in six years after swinging to a $975 million annual pre-tax profit.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/aviation/qantas-soars-to-975m-profit-on-back-of-cost-cutting-cheaper-fuel-20150819-gj2evv.html#ixzz3jJQB1QOq

  314. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 10:59 am

    under very dubious circumstances…

    It seems that every member of the judiciary that Tom R disagrees with is dubious, or biased. Because it couldn’t/wouldn’t be any bias on his part.

  315. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2015 10:59 am

    “Well, I think that is shattered now, don’t you?”

    What, she doesn’t? You seem a bit inconsistent here. You were still going on about the presumption of innocence after the FWA findings against Thomson.

    Personally she looks guilty to me. The only real difference between her and Thomson is that Thommo roots whores whereas Jackson roots Lawler.

  316. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 11:27 am

    Jackson has been found guilty by the Federal Court. not the FWA.

    It seems that every member of the judiciary that Tom R disagrees with is dubious, or biased.

    I didn’t say the judge was biased, I said the process was dodgy. Why change the charges that he was actually found guilty of?

  317. Walrus permalink
    August 20, 2015 11:30 am

    “The coal mine is dead … long live the solar farm …”

    Yeah……….those coal miners can go and get fucked.

    What Union covers coal miners ??????????????????

    It’s all about your team……………………..fuck the real workers.

    Blind ideology before jobs

  318. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 11:30 am

    Jackson has been found guilty by the Federal Court

    Guilty!????

    You might like to check the facts!!

    It was Thompson that was found GUILTY!

  319. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2015 11:33 am

    “Jackson has been found guilty by the Federal Court.”

    Wrong again, Tom aRse.

  320. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2015 11:37 am

    No country for old boomers:

    The cost of caring for the Northern Territory’s elderly is coming “at the expense” of children, according to the Territory’s Health Minister John Elferink, who is canvassing support for cutting seniors’ funding.

    Appropriately he made the statement in Darwin.

  321. Walrus permalink
    August 20, 2015 11:41 am

    TomRoll

    She’s had a Compensation Order issued against her you Troll.

    But play your word games as usual

    Thomson was found Guilty of 13 charges of Theft

  322. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 11:49 am

    My bad, “ruled against” Jackson 😉

    Does that soothe those savage yeasts? 🙂

  323. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 11:51 am

    Thomson was found Guilty of 13 charges of Theft

    Yes, on altered charges he was therefore unable to defend against.

    I guess if he had a cashed up backer, he might have gone on further. Who knows 😉

  324. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 11:55 am

    Yeah!

    If only the judge had known to THINK OF THE BABY!!

  325. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2015 12:30 pm

    “Yes, on altered charges he was therefore unable to defend against.”

    You are such a fucking liar. Thomson’s counsel made comprehensive submissions on the matters in question.

    Slavishly following Wixxy (who has been wrong on this from pillar to post) means you will be inevitably shown to be wrong. You lie down with dogs and you end up a dog-fucker.

    If you think you are right about this tell us what the change to the charges was, why the court thought it was fair to amend them and what new issues Thomson was unable to address.

    If you are able to back your assertion up with the relevant facts then I’ll take the time to explain in detail how you are wrong.

  326. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 12:41 pm

    who has been wrong on this from pillar to post

    Interesting, he is being quite feted today by many journos who missed it all along

    then I’ll take the time to explain in detail how you are wrong.

    Take it up with wixxy then, I’m simply quoting hte person who, in direct contrast to your assertion, has now been proven to have been spot on 😉

    Meanwhile, the leaks leak

    The Abbott cabinet is still “functioning exceptionally well”, according to talking points leaked to Fairfax Media for a second successive day.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/our-cabinet-is-still-functioning-exceptionally-well-abbott-government-talking-points-leaked-again-20150820-gj3hqa.html#ixzz3jJqz94oa
    Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook

    😆

  327. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 12:43 pm

    Another day, another lie

    “This is a project that will create 10,000 jobs.” Prime Minister Tony Abbott, question time, Tuesday, August 18

    This number, straight out of Adani’s press material, was challenged in a separate Queensland land court case in April this year by Adani’s own expert, Jerome Fahrer from ACIL Allen. Dr Fahrer conceded 1464 jobs would be created. What’s more, Adani has been laying off workers, as Fairfax Media revealed recently, including its project manager Parsons Brinckerhoff and most of the staff in its Brisbane office.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/adani-mine-a-20b-project-creating-10000-jobs-the-abbott-governments-myths-busted-20150819-gj2u2o.html#ixzz3jJrbj8vh
    Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

  328. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2015 12:50 pm

    The Diamonds came to parliament

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/aug/20/dyson-heydon-unlikely-to-stand-down-says-abbott-minister-politics-live

    Two speeches, telling so much about personalities.

    You Diamonds dreamed. What about my dreams?

    Tony Abbott to the Diamonds:

    We absolutely admire you and we have even, in our own way, tried to emulate you with a team called the Owls, the parliamentary netball team. You may not have heard but they did take on New Zealand. What turned out to be a stacked New Zealand team. You can’t trust those Kiwis. It was a New Zealand parliamentary team stacked with Silver Ferns, so if any of you are invited to apply for pre-selection, it is to improve the quality of the Owls around this place. In the Abbott household, netball is a family passion. My girls played, my wife coached and I cheered, yes, Susan, I have long been a netball dad but today, I am very proud to be a netball prime minister. Well done Diamonds.

    Bill Shorten to the Diamonds:

    Every Diamond here represents a pyramid of people, probably two or more. Last weekend you brought pride and pleasure to all Australians but in particular, it was that pyramid of people who have helped you become diamonds who were so excited for you. People at the local club and state levels, your families. I can assure these marvellous Diamonds that on their journey, from your first game of juniors, to the fund raising, to the coaching, your friends, anyone who has ever come into contact with you, is so excited for you and for your marvellous journey. It is great there is so many young girls here today, because as little girls, you Diamonds dreamed.

    I dreamed a dream. Of grand orators. Then I woke up..

  329. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2015 1:07 pm

    Five little words make the difference between yesterday & today!

  330. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 1:38 pm

    Wicks-  proven to have been spot on 

    I’d like to thank Tom R for the opportunity he has presented.

    Remember when Wicks said-

    * Lawler and FWA investigator Nassios shared an office
    * They had coffee together
    * They did favours for each other
    etc…

    You probably like him because he’s another that harvests email addresses from his blog and shares them with others.

    And not only that! He likes to continue to discuss subjects via personal email that he bans in his blog!

    What an upstanding guy he is.

  331. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2015 1:41 pm

  332. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2015 1:44 pm

    Yep, squeaky clean!

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-backs-vic-campaigner-despite-tape-scandal-20130308-2fpl8.html

    Tony Abbott has backed Damien Mantach, the man charged with running his election campaign in Victoria, despite him being caught up in a corruption investigation.

  333. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2015 1:59 pm

  334. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2015 2:11 pm

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-20/shorten-concedes-commission-can-continue-if-heydon-replaced/6711066

    …Federal Opposition Leader Bill Shorten concedes the Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption could continue if a suitable replacement for Dyson Heydon is found.

    The position puts him at odds with the union movement, which has called for commissioner Dyson Heydon to resign and the commission be scrapped…

  335. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2015 2:15 pm

    Great source KL. The brother of the head of the CFMEU. He would say that!

  336. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2015 2:29 pm

  337. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2015 2:34 pm

    “If you are able to back your assertion up with the relevant facts”

    Tom R: “Take it up with wixxy then”

    Didn’t think so, Tom R. What a pathetic reply – throw shit and then hide behind a serial fabulist.

  338. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2015 2:40 pm

  339. Tom R permalink
    August 20, 2015 2:42 pm

    throw shit and then hide behind a serial fabulist.

    lolz, says the guy who keeps repeating shit about Unions and Bikies and etc and etc

  340. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2015 2:51 pm

    “Just saying”

    Rigorous analysis as usual from that stupid fuckwitterer.

  341. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2015 2:59 pm

    “The coal mine is dead … long live the solar farm …”

    Its called Progress …

    Yeah……….those coal miners can go and get fucked.

    I didn’t say that you did … one thing that miners have an abundance of is optimism and a willingness to learn new skills and knowledge and adapt to new opportunities eg from pick and shovel, to underground tunnel mining, to long-wall mining, to open cut mining. From people, to horses, to carts, to trucks to monster trucks …

    What Union covers coal miners ??????????????????

    More than one … but I know your obsessing again.

    It’s all about your team……………………..fuck the real workers.

    What are you burbling about … what “team” … ? It’s about Progress …

    … its about cleaner, more efficient, more effective, renewable and cheaper energy sources … research and development, industries and new jobs are far easier to create with a constant, cheap easy to harness energy source …

    Blind ideology before jobs

    Ideology? This isn’t about ideology its about developing the nation … and Progress

    It’s not a case of simply making money and hang the expense to everyone else …

    … coal mining jobs will should be substituted by infrastructure projects that the government keeps talking about but does no walking about … roads, railways, airports, satellite towns, pipelines to supply the expanding agricultural industry that should by now be blossoming in the outback and deserts – with solar farms supplying energy for iirigation and pumping schemes …

    But no … the ideology of caught up in The Robber Baron Syndrome make money while the coal is there … not while the sun shines …

    Even the coal industry recognises it is dying!

    When was the last time you went to a cobbler, or a farrier, or a greengrocer?

    Life and progress moves on … while Australia looks backwards …

  342. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 3:16 pm

    Wicks is a proven bulls**t artist

  343. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2015 3:24 pm

    Yeah……….those coal miners can go and get fucked.

    And … you’re the one who rails against miners’ incomes and their unions … you have one interest in mines and miners … PROFIT …

    You have the dreaded Robber Baron Syndrome …

  344. Selective Horsepiddle Reuptake Inhibitors permalink
    August 20, 2015 3:31 pm

    “The Abbott cabinet is still “functioning exceptionally well”….Prime Minister Tony Abbott reassured the Coalition party room on Tuesday that he had read the riot act to his cabinet on Monday night, warning his ministers that those found to be leaking would face serious consequences, though that message has clearly not gotten through to everyone in the Coalition.”

  345. Selective Horsepiddle Reuptake Inhibitors permalink
    August 20, 2015 3:33 pm

    functioning exceptionally well *

  346. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2015 3:51 pm

    Wicks is a proven bulls**t artist

    He was right about jackson though. He has made the walkley winning kate mcclymont look a bit silly.

    … its about cleaner, more efficient, more effective, renewable and cheaper energy sources … research and development, industries and new jobs are far easier to create with a constant, cheap easy to harness energy source …

    pretty sure there’s plenty of re-train jobs in that lot for ex-miners. besides, it’s not about jobs anyway, if it was, then we’d still have the car industry being assisted and abbott wouldn’t be lying to melbourne, adelaide and perth about subs etc. It’s about profits for coal miner donators and bugger what’s right for the country.

  347. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2015 3:53 pm

  348. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2015 4:36 pm

    Qantas …will make its first payout to shareholders in six years after swinging to a $975 million annual pre-tax profit.

    Good result for Qantas and Australia. Wonder what would have happened if Hockey had given them bailout money as some people were saying?

  349. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 4:53 pm

    “He was right about jackson though.”

    Fine. But Wicks was only interested in retribution, he showed no interest in weeding out corruption.

    He defended proven rorter Thompson throughout, along the way slandering decent people conducting investigations like the mid level public servant Nassios.

    Wicks is a proven bulls**t artist.

  350. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 4:55 pm

    Nassios could have sued WIcks for defamation, but Wicks’ pathetic site is probably not even on the radar

  351. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2015 5:01 pm

    …He defended proven rorter Thompson throughout, along the way slandering decent people conducting investigations like the mid level public servant Nassios…

    I’ll need a refresher, do you still think michael lawler is professional, decent and has no conflict of interest?

  352. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 5:04 pm

    I don’t think he interfered with the investigation as alleged by Wicks, and Wicks never had any evidence to support his defamatory speculation.

  353. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 5:06 pm

    Each finding of the report of the FWA investigation was reasonable and Thompson has now been prosecuted.

    Wicks is a proven bulls**t artist, and if he had any decency he would publish a series of retractions, rather than promoting himself.

  354. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 20, 2015 5:41 pm

    The political trolls have disgraced themselves yet again in the HSU scandal. That would be Wicks and his dittohead Duracell bunnies like Tom R. They spent a vast amount of energy and all of their credibility making excuses for convicted criminal Thomson. At the same time they applied a completely different standard to Jackson. Such is the corrupt tribalism of Unionland.

    The only reason they did this is that their addiction to political point-scoring slaughtered their reason, their common sense and their decency. Dishonest arse-wipes one and all.

  355. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2015 6:03 pm

    I didn’t excuse thomson one bit, was always happy to see him get whatever he had coming to him.

    So Lawler’s still a good guy to you tomM?

    I absolutely do think he interfered in the investigation, I think he might just possibly be the mastermind behind the whole kathy jackson ‘whistleblower’ persona. Remember, this was happening at the same time as the ashby/slipper/brough abuse of the legal system for political purposes. Kathy jackson was cultivated to bring down the gillard government.

    And Lawler’s been the beneficiary of the proceeds of crime [theft/fraud] a mighty fine judicial officer!

    I wonder what you would be saying about a union hack who has been apparently so debilitated he’s needed taxpayer funded sick leave for over 9 mths whilst managing to run his wife’s complex legal affairs at the same time.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/kathy-jacksons-partner-michael-lawler-returns-to-hot-seat/story-e6frg6z6-1227453056512

  356. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 6:07 pm

    I’m aware that there are a few descriptions around FWA regarding Lawler’s motivations and judgement, none are capable of being repeated here.

  357. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 6:09 pm

    …and I only comment here, I don’t run a self-important blog pretending to be some crusader, which is quite unlike WIcks.

    He used defamation and speculation to support his campaign, particularly against relatively junior public servants.

  358. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2015 6:18 pm

    …An increasing number of ­Coalition MPs now fear their chances of winning the next election range between slim and zero if Abbott remains. Of course there are those, the bordering on deadset nutty right-wingers, who would rather lose with Abbott than win with the most viable option, ­Malcolm Turnbull.

    Their core mission is not to save the government but to save the Liberal Party from Turnbull. For what exactly, other than to stop certain people from getting married, or consigning them all to a life of misery in opposition, remains a mystery unless it is simply to assert dominance over the party’s moderate wing in a bloody-minded exercise of power for power’s sake…

  359. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2015 6:29 pm

    oops, the above quote was from niki savva in the oz today

    Tony Abbott’s fate rests on Canning by-election result:
    http://m.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/tony-abbotts-fate-rests-on-canning-by-election-result/story-fnahw9xv-1227490445537?sv=6b917a64dbbaa792f82f2f5aca5e2a56

  360. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2015 6:35 pm

    Of course there are those, the bordering on deadset nutty right-wingers, who would rather lose with Abbott than win with the most viable option, ­Malcolm Turnbull.

    Too funny. The lefties want Turnbull because he could not possibly win an election.

    ALP/Greens supporters just being dishonest as usual.

  361. TB Queensland permalink
    August 20, 2015 7:19 pm

    I really, really, really hope that Tricky Dicky Abbott continues to call his “captain’s picks” … and control his party and particularly the Cabinet as he is right now … it’s fascinating … I check each morning for the latest gaffe from The Mad Monk or one of his Flock …

    Truly entertaining stuff!

  362. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 20, 2015 7:29 pm

    I don’t think he interfered with the investigation as alleged by Wicks, and Wicks never had any evidence to support his defamatory speculation.

    Oh, they knew about wicks accusations.

    Funny how there was not one threat to sue for this supposed ‘defamation’ tomM, after all this time and now he has the accolades for doing the hard investigative work for over 2 years, finding out what the professionals had failed or refused to uncover.
    Nope, still no defamation suit.

  363. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 20, 2015 8:03 pm

    I check each morning for the latest gaffe from The Mad Monk or one of his Flock …

    You mean like locking up 2,000 kids like the Rudd/Gillard govt did.
    You mean like trashing the budget which was in surplus until labor trashed the budget.

    Abbott has not trashed anything like the ALP did.

  364. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:26 pm

    AO, Wicks’ site is like this one. It is interesting to the people that contribute, but sue the blog master !!??

    No, Wicks was just a bulls**t artist and a big noter. He’s a whole lot less ethical in his blog admin than ours.

  365. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 20, 2015 9:53 pm

    So in Wicks’ effort to protect Thompson he attempted to discredit the FWA report and in doing so defamed a public servant that was just doing his job –

    • they shared an office
    • they had coffee together
    • they exchanged favours

    But Wicks never got around to justifying any of these assertions, he just banned any discussion about this on his blog.

    (which part of the FWA report by Nassios was wrong AO & Tom R?)

    Yet AO and Tom R present Wicks as some form of authority!

    He’s a bulls**t artist that will stoop to the very lowest level.

  366. August 20, 2015 10:22 pm

    Hey blubbers, that fattest juicy target fakebook will be ashley-madison-ed too one day, then watch the teabags unhinge .. death-cult, death-cult, death-cult

  367. August 20, 2015 11:25 pm

    via-ao”””’

    Andrew Spurling is a semi-retired engineer. ..

    for the 30 odd years I have been able to vote, I have always voted liberal,

    I believe that, as Prime Minister, he has no right to foist his religious convictions on others””””

    #the rusted-on spurling teabag didn`t read the pre-election warning signs too well did he. Mr-rabbit refused to give meaningful interviews or meaningful information and merely chanted slogans. `ditch-witch` `browns-bitch` `economic-emergency` etc

    #now the spurling teabag has fcuking `buyers-remorse`, boo-fcuking-hoo, l hope he studies his engineering better than he studies his politics

  368. August 20, 2015 11:33 pm

    2013”””Dyson Heydon slamming Kevin Rudd`s government as `non-substantive` at a free-market think-tank event”””

    #no-sir-ee, no bias there, ah-huh, absolutely none, the teabags never have anything to do with `free-market-think-tanks`, no-sir-ee never .. it`s always greenz an onions behind`em

  369. August 20, 2015 11:57 pm

    ao”””Tony Abbott has backed Damien Mantach, the man charged with running his election campaign in Victoria, despite him being caught up in a corruption investigation.”””

    #l found this story abso-fcuking-lutely hilarious. From right under their noses, mr-rabbits buddy swipes $1.5mill out of the teabags till, and gets found-out in the middle of the rc witch-hunt.

    #oh the irony, it burns! #poetic.justice

  370. August 21, 2015 12:07 am

    PREDICTION > Sir Dyson #nights`n`daymes #next.time.round

  371. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 7:48 am

    none are capable of being repeated here.

    But you had no trouble repeating them about Thomson

    AO, Wicks’ site is like this one.

    High praise indeed.

    he attempted to discredit the FWA report

    He didn’t need to “attempt” to, it did it itself

    http://www.news.com.au/national/kpmg-review-finds-fair-work-australia-probe-into-health-services-union-was-deficient/story-fndo4eg9-1226455169215

    Meanwhile, for those into bric-a-brac

    http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/city/cabinets/cabinet-functioning-exceptionally-well/1087220908

  372. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 7:50 am

    lol, Want to help advertise the turc for tony? 🙂

    https://whymrabbott.nationbuilder.com/everyone_should_know_the_truth?recruiter_id=19152

  373. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 8:16 am

  374. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2015 8:37 am

    Tom R, just outline which parts of the FWA report were wrong.

    And identify the evidence that Wicks used to justify his claim that the FWA investigator and Lawler did each other favours etc.

  375. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2015 9:06 am

    Yep, I used words like “rorter” about Thompson. I think I probably said “he has a case to answer” and that he misused union funds.

    Was there anything incorrect in any of that?

    On the other hand, the scuttlebutt commentary around FWA about Lawler is has more of a sexual overtone.

  376. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 9:16 am

    lolz yomm what is this, homework time?

    If you don’t believe me, listen to your mate

    “Craig Thomson ought to be thanking Fair Work Australia for being incompetent and not giving this matter the degree of urgency that it deserved,” Senator Abetz said.

    (it’s in hte link above 😉 )

  377. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 21, 2015 9:30 am

    A bit of progressive reform in victoria?
    Good to see. Could I suggest that students learn about australia’s political system too?

    …Victorian schools will scrap special religious instruction from class time, with changes to the state’s curriculum throwing the future of the controversial program in doubt.
    The Andrews government has ordered that the weekly 30 minute program move to lunchtime and before and after school in 2016 to make way for new content on world histories, cultures, faiths and ethics.
    Classes that address domestic violence and respectful relationships will also become compulsory for all prep to year 10 students from 2016…

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/religious-instruction-scrapped-from-curriculum-20150820-gj425e.html#ixzz3jOuFEPpI

  378. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 9:32 am

    Was there anything incorrect in any of that?

    You said he used funds for hookers, many times. You also mentioned something about it being in the range of tens or even hundreds of thousands.

    Was there anything incorrect in any of that? 😉

  379. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 9:34 am

    Victorian schools will scrap special religious instruction from class time

    The fact that a line like that finds it’s way into a news article in the 21st century is an indictment on our current political system imo AO

  380. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 9:37 am

    Flying blind again

    TREASURY has confirmed it has done no modelling on the economic impact of applying the GST to overseas online purchases under $1000.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/treasury-flying-blind-on-online-shopping-tax/story-fnagkbpv-1227492504597?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=News.com.au&utm_medium=Facebook

  381. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 21, 2015 10:09 am

  382. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2015 10:10 am

    I’m not sure I nominated a specific figure, but if you continue to maintain support for Craig’s explanation that someone stole his credit card, used it to pay for prostitutes, then put it back in his wallet, just so that they could embarrass him years down the track… then you’re a dill!

  383. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 21, 2015 10:17 am

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/senator-stephen-conroy-exposes-heydons-full-links-to-the-liberal-party,8079

    …The Heydon royal commission wantonly ignores the standards that have been established and upheld by royal commissions before it — accepting hearsay, refusing objections and cross-examinations, double standards for different witnesses and even providing detailed briefings for the media. Dyson Heydon has overseen a royal commission totally failing principles of natural justice. They stand there and, as they have witnesses walking into the box, they start distributing to the press gallery, before the witnesses have even sat down or are handed it themselves, the documents that they are going to be cross-examined on. So the first time the witnesses get to see documents is as they are handed to the media. This is a star chamber that is about nothing more than helping this pathetic government get re-elected. This royal commission has been put in place, this star chamber, this quasi-judicial theatre, to smear and slander the Liberal Party’s political opponents…

  384. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 21, 2015 10:29 am

    “On the other hand, the scuttlebutt commentary around FWA about Lawler is has more of a sexual overtone.”

    Not that there is anything wrong with that! All the best scuttlebutt has a sexual angle, the wilder the better. So what if Lawler enjoys a bit of Greek with Ms Koukouvas.

  385. August 21, 2015 10:39 am

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  386. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 21, 2015 10:47 am

    …“On the other hand, the scuttlebutt commentary around FWA about Lawler is has more of a sexual overtone.”..


    What? That is ridiculous, it has everything to do with conflict of interest and bias!

    Why didn't lawler admit his relationship right from the start?

    I’m not sure I nominated a specific figure, but if you continue to maintain support for Craig’s explanation that someone stole his credit card, used it to pay for prostitutes, then put it back in his wallet, just so that they could embarrass him years down the track… then you’re a dill!</i<

    Talk about can't see the wood for the tree!

    i don't know how often I have to say that I am happy for thomson to get every punishment he deserves. I maintain no support for thomson at all. You seem to think that thomson's guilt is all that this is about.
    It is much more than that, it is the behaviours and bias of those who administer the justice system and how they managed to overlook so, so much that doesn't suit their interests. It is the system itself and FWA didn't come out of it very well at all.

  387. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 21, 2015 10:52 am

    Hello reb 🙂

    Busy? Hope you are fine and well!

  388. August 21, 2015 10:55 am

    Hi Kittylitter…

    I’m good thanks… 🙂 Enjoying the warm weather here in Penang… 🙂

  389. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2015 11:12 am

    Kathy Jackson exposed as a thief, liar & hypocrite of the highest order

    No wonder The Mad Abbott & His Acolytes liked her so much …

    Victorian schools …

    Should never have been part of the curriculum at all!

  390. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 21, 2015 11:12 am

    …“On the other hand, the scuttlebutt commentary around FWA about Lawler is has more of a sexual overtone.”..

    Could that be because it does have a sexual overtone? Ever heard of conflict of interest, collaboration, pillow talk? Why is it that spousal privilege was always considered a defence?

    Next you’ll be claiming misogyny!

    Nothing at all do do with her extremely close relationship to an FWA VP who has been a friend of tony abbott since childhood and who was also appointed to his position by abbott? Jackson who also happened to be feted, wined and dined by senior libs and the IPA and also met with lib MP’s? Nope, it’s purely about craig thomson and kathy jackson and lawler are innocent bystanders!

  391. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2015 11:20 am

    Kathy Jackson exposed as a thief, liar & hypocrite of the highest order

    Seems to be normal for supporters of the ALP.

  392. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 11:23 am

    Enjoying the warm weather here in Penang…

    yea, thanks fer that reb 😦

    Have you found any of those $Billions yet?

    I know you “claim” it is work, but I reckon yer just on a treasure hunt.

  393. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 11:25 am

  394. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 12:02 pm

    Wow, that’s something else he “forgot” I suppose 😉

    The silk acting for the national construction union, John Agius, drops a bombshell. He says one of the emails between Commissioner Dyson Heydon and the organisers of the Sir Garfield Barwick address had a Word document attached which was named “state donation compliance”.

    That attachment was not part of a tranche of emails released by the commission last week.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/trade-union-royal-commission-dyson-heydon-hears-application-to-disqualify-himself-as-commissioner-20150820-gj4avh.html#ixzz3jPXhs0zG
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  395. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2015 12:05 pm

    Worth a read … if he remains it is definitely a Liberal Party Witch Hunt …

    ACTU puts a more than reasonable case for Heydon to recuse …

    Signed,

    A Fair-minded Lay Observer

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Dyson Heydon hears requests to withdraw from trade union royal commission – live

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2015/aug/21/dyson-heydon-hears-requests-to-withdraw-from-trade-union-royal-commission-live-updates

  396. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2015 12:10 pm

    Enjoying the warm weather here in Penang

    Can I suggest you avoid Bangkok … 😉

    Looks like we may pop down in the next six months or so (may have some free accom. lined up) … get some decent wine in! Nothing under $5 … have a chat to ToM he drinks Robber Baron wine … 🙂

  397. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2015 12:11 pm

    Seems to be normal for supporters of the ALP.</I.

    Only she was supported by the Liberals … comprehension … -10

  398. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2015 12:13 pm

    Kathy Jackson exposed as a thief, liar & hypocrite of the highest order

    It looks like all ALP supporters like to steal money from taxpayers or Union members.

    I think this is because this is easy money. Taxpayers are nobodies and we can always borrow more money. Union members are suckers who we can rort whenever we feel like it.

    All the way with the ALP.

  399. Walrus permalink
    August 21, 2015 1:09 pm

    “That attachment was not part of a tranche of emails released by the commission last week.”

    Retracted………………………………..by the goose representing the CFMEU.

    FMD even I know attachments drop off on a chain email.

    What a dick he looks like

  400. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2015 1:15 pm

    So Jackson is crooked too.

    Why do the union apologists insist on taking sides rather than just acknowledging that-
    * There is a demonstrated need for far greater governance in unions
    * There is a culture of rorting member’s funds in a number of unions

    These civil findings against Jackson only demonstrate how widespread this behaviour is.

  401. Walrus permalink
    August 21, 2015 1:21 pm

    “These civil findings against Jackson only demonstrate how widespread this behaviour is.”

    It means we need more Royal Commissions into Unions

  402. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 1:29 pm

    What a dick he looks like

    As much as a dick as the people who released “all emails” (except the ones with the attachments?)

    I see they were kind enough to give them to the CFMEU yesterday?

    And they were complaining that the CFMEU wanted more than half an hour ROFL

  403. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2015 1:30 pm

    Yep.

    union apologists are only interested in getting square – retribution is their interest. They only like exposing the corruption of their political enemies, and don’t care about the theft of member’s money by their political allies.

    And it seems they don’t even notice their own rank hypocrisy!

  404. Walrus permalink
    August 21, 2015 1:41 pm

    “………..and don’t care about the theft of member’s money by their political allies. ”

    Yep

    At least the Liberal Party in Victoria called in the cops when $1.4M went missing.

    I gotta say though it they must have some pretty weak internal controls for a fraud like that to occur.

    Gotta wonder what the CFO was doing. Does he even know what’s to be spent and on what ?

  405. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 2:00 pm

    union apologists are only interested in getting square

    Yea, cos setting up a witch hunt to attack those nasty beasts who steal away employers profits and hands them over to the bludging workers couldn’t be seen as “getting square” 😉

  406. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 21, 2015 2:01 pm

    “…At least the Liberal Party in Victoria called in the cops when $1.4M went missing…”

    Yes, we’ll done, that’s the right and appropriate action. Should they ask for a RC?
    That is what the unions have said all along, this should have been dealt with by the courts. The fact that it’s a RC designed to cause max damage to their opponents just before an election is clearly a politically motivated witch hunt.

  407. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 2:08 pm

    Xenophone does know how to cut through

  408. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 21, 2015 2:13 pm

    Xenophobe would say that, wouldn’t he?

  409. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 21, 2015 2:15 pm

    “That is what the unions have said all along, this should have been dealt with by the courts.”

    Because they do not want their own corruption exposed. Fuck Unionland forever!

  410. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 2:17 pm

    lol, #turc cannot even do what it forced Unions to do ROFL

  411. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2015 2:35 pm

    Tom R (and Wicks) continue to support proven criminal rorter Thompson, they’re very selective about their disapproval of union corruption.

  412. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2015 2:47 pm

    Name and nature Nick

  413. Walrus permalink
    August 21, 2015 3:46 pm

    “That is what the unions have said all along, this should have been dealt with by the courts. ”

    If you are a medium sized contractor being blackmailed by the CFMEU you are probably less inclined to go to the Cops

  414. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2015 3:46 pm

    My we are shrill this afternoon … (or simply trolling TR) …

    Because they do not want their own corruption exposed. Fuck Unionland forever!

    Abbott and LNP apologists are only interested in getting square – retribution is their interest. They only like exposing the corruption of their political enemies, and don’t care about the theft of employees’ money by their political allies – shonky businesses.

    And it seems they don’t even notice their own rank hypocrisy!

    Edited to make more sense …

  415. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2015 3:51 pm

    If you are a medium sized contractor being blackmailed by the CFMEU you are probably less inclined to go to the Cops

    Why FFS?

  416. Walrus permalink
    August 21, 2015 3:52 pm

    “…………..hit the nail on the head today about #ChAFTA and racism ”

    Rubbish……………the race debate was blatantly raised by the ALP in the NSW election to scare people about Power Privatisation.

    The ALP is a deeply offensive organisation these days and will use anything including the racial card to further its grubby pursuits

    From the Loony Left’s rag of choice…………………

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/03/27/a-desperate-foley-plays-the-race-card/

  417. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 21, 2015 3:53 pm

    You’ll have to try using your own words TB.

  418. Walrus permalink
    August 21, 2015 3:53 pm

    “Why FFS?”

    Read the RC submissions.

  419. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 3:59 pm

    Read the RC submissions.

    Or, you could just tell him, since you seem so well versed in it. #just sayin

  420. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 4:01 pm

    ncluding the racial card

    So, every time someone is #$#$-ist, calling it is using the #$#$-card

    I suppose this is using the “lie-ist” card then 😉

  421. Australian Chaff Board permalink
    August 21, 2015 4:12 pm

    “RAAF warplanes have been bombing IS targets in Iraq since September, but Liberal MP and chairman of Federal Parliament’s intelligence and security committee Dan Tehan said it was time for Australia to step up its commitment. “We have the world’s greatest humanitarian crisis occurring at the moment in Syria with over 9 million people displaced,” he said.”

  422. Walrus permalink
    August 21, 2015 4:23 pm

    “Or, you could just tell him, ”

    He can read………………………….Like you say……………… “take it up with Wixxy”

  423. Walrus permalink
    August 21, 2015 4:24 pm

    “So, every time someone is #$#$-ist, calling it is using the #$#$-card”

    No………….the NSW ALP were very specific about the boogeyman Chinese

  424. Walrus permalink
    August 21, 2015 4:26 pm

    “……….thanks to the GST on imports… we have a full card or broken promises. ”

    Yes the Premiers of Queensland, Victoria and South Australia helped it along nicely by agreeing to it.

    What party are they from again ?

  425. Walrus permalink
    August 21, 2015 4:28 pm

    Oh OK…………….here ya go………

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=cfmeu+blackmail&pc=MOZI&form=MOZSBR

  426. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 4:51 pm

    So, this, according to you, is why someone won’t go to the cops?

    The commission has heard allegations the union pressured businesses in Canberra to sign its EBA, threatening they wouldn’t get work if they didn’t and using safety checks as an excuse to disrupt their work sites.

    That’s fucken hilarious wally. I’d have thought if you were a mid sized contractor who didn’t want to pay higher rates, you might go and whinge to an RC that looks out to get Unions.

    What’s more hilarious, is we have one lot of rants yelling that the eba’s made them worst off, and now people being charged for making people better off

    “Mr Lomax was told by police that he was accused of forcing an employer to enter into an EBA and that as a result the employer suffered financial loss due to paying workers higher wages,” the statement said.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/union-organiser-demanded-60000-cash/story-e6frfku9-1227455128381

  427. Fresco Loco permalink
    August 21, 2015 5:00 pm

    nellakam, Las Palmas, Spain, about 2 hours ago

    July was the coldest month in Australia for over 100 years. Panic merchants are running out of their lies as people no longer believe in this global warming rubbish.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205260/July-hottest-month-recorded-worldwide-U-S-scientists.html#ixzz3jQiRGC00

  428. Walrus permalink
    August 21, 2015 5:30 pm

    “So, this, according to you, is why someone won’t go to the cops?”

    You don’t send John Lomax in to do high level negotiations

  429. Walrus permalink
    August 21, 2015 5:40 pm

    Funny how you keep leaving vital bits out dontya think TomRoll

    “………………He said he paid the money to avoid getting on the wrong side of the union.

    “It’s a purely business decision for economic reasons,” Mr Domitrovic said.

    “They could have put a lot of pressure on me on the job.”

    I’m sure going to the Cops would have kept him in good with the Union …………D’uh !

  430. Walrus permalink
    August 21, 2015 5:46 pm

    Fresco Loco,

    Thankyou for the Maps……………it looks like the entire Wheat Crop that is planted in the middle of the Indian Ocean plus the Banana crop in the Pacific will be wiped out by Global Warming

    We are all going to die…………….Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !

  431. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2015 5:47 pm

    You’ll have to try using your own words TB.

    Your’s were fine, ToM, just needed a good proof-reader 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Read the RC submissions.

    Link to your assertion?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And BINGO… thanks to the GST on imports… we have a full card or broken promises.

    And he had the hide to call Julia Gillard a liar … LOL!

    How to lose a Liberal government in less than its term of office … start with Tony Abbott and a landslide victory …

    Does Tony Abbott have duel citizenship?

  432. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2015 5:49 pm

    I’m sure going to the Cops would have kept him in good with the Union …………D’uh !

    So you’re saying he would have trouble with the police union?

  433. TB Queensland permalink
    August 21, 2015 5:50 pm

    dual … chuckle …

  434. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 6:05 pm

    You don’t send John Lomax in to do high level negotiations

    Why not? And, I thought you specified a “mid sized contractor”

    I’m sure going to the Cops would have kept him in good with the Union

    Or solved a problem, if it was one.

    What party are they from again ?

    Ones that didn’t make a promise about “no changes to the GST” 😉

    So you’re saying he would have trouble with the police union?

    😆

  435. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2015 7:15 pm

    … start with Tony Abbott and a landslide victory …

    Well TB of Queensland you must be keen on this happening again because you voted for it in 2007.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/silence-over-detention-under-labor-but-triggs-trumpets-compassion-now/story-fn8qlm5e-1227146458761

    In 2007, when Labor took ­office, there were no children in detention and after it weakened the regime 820 boats brought more than 50,000 asylum-seekers, including 8459 children, to our shores; filling detention centres in every state. And more than 1200 people drowned.

    Across this period the number of children in detention peaked at a record 1962.

    But there was no inquiry. And there was no celebrity film clip.

    Nobody cared about kids in detention until the Coalition was elected. ALP supporters will always support the tribe no matter how corrupt.

  436. Tom R permalink
    August 21, 2015 7:23 pm

    Like nil, yabot just can’t help but lie. Because nil, we have pointed out many times, and even you linked to it, of stories about investigations into what was going on under Labor, whilst they were in Government

    The cost to the economy of adopting a more ambitious emissions reduction target for 2030 is significantly less than claimed by Prime Minister Tony Abbott, the government’s own commissioned economic modelling reveals.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/cost-of-tougher-emissions-cuts-are-significantly-less-than-tony-abbott-claims-governments-own-modelling-shows-20150821-gj51cw.html#ixzz3jRKIPWyO
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  437. August 21, 2015 7:25 pm

    So did Sir-Dyson(2016) rule he will not create a `perception` of `bias` if he continued with the witch-hunt today.? #teabags

  438. August 21, 2015 7:38 pm

    TB”””And BINGO .. thanks to the GST on imports .. we have a full card or broken promises.”””

    #l seem to remember they didn`t pursue GST on the `under-$1000` because it would cost more to `police` than it would raise.

    #yaaaaay.economic.responsibility #stupid.fcuking.teabags

  439. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 21, 2015 7:41 pm

    Because nil, we have pointed out many times, and even you linked to it, of stories about investigations into what was going on under Labor, whilst they were in Government

    Nobody did anything until Abbott was elected. If the ALP gets back in they will start locking up people again. Socialists never change their spots.

  440. August 21, 2015 8:06 pm

    guardian”””'(#Jeremy)Corbyn is favourite to be elected Labour leader on 12 September. In contrast with his opponents Cooper, Andy Burnham and Liz Kendall, he has been attracting huge audiences at election meetings throughout the country. According to his campaign team, more than 21,000 have attended his rallies, 12,000 people have volunteered to help and more than 7,000 people have donated a total of £166,000 online.

    There has been no drop-off in interest. In Nottingham on Thursday night, his campaign team said there was an estimated 900 people in the hall and an overspill of 300 outside. A meeting planned for Cambridge next week attracted more than 1,200 replies for places within hours of being advertised on Thursday.

    As part of a major foreign policy overhaul after his election, assuming Corbyn wins, Labour would be unlikely to support the proposed renewal of the ageing Trident nuclear weapons programme; at the general election, the party’s policy was to support it. He is also sceptical about the role of Nato, in particular its eastwards expansion and the standoff with Russia.”””’

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/20/jeremy-corbyn-apologise-iraq-war-behalf-labour-leader

    #lt looks like the uk-public is also sick to death of a teabag-lite Labor-rat-pack full of teabag-antics too.

    #reportland just did a story on corbyn and it looks like he has put the frightners on the teabag-lites in uk-Labor that is looking more and more scared-shitless as corbyns audiences/fans grow and grow

  441. August 21, 2015 8:12 pm

    Heads-up Teebz, Corbyn/guardian worth a look RE lraq too.

    #here`s a taste

    guardian”””Corbyn, who opposed the invasion, said in his statement: `As a party, we found ourselves in the regrettable position of being aligned with one of the worst rightwing governments in US history, even as liberal opinion in the US was questioning the headlong descent into war.`

    He added that Britain’s relationship with the US would be better in the long term if it were not regarded as likely to follow the White House without question. The Iraq war was wrong in principle, he said, a mistake of horrendous proportions, the price of which is still being paid.

    `It has also lost Labour the votes of millions of our natural supporters, who marched and protested against the war. We turned our backs on them and many of them have either withheld their votes from us or felt disillusioned, unenthusiastic and unmotivated,` he said.

    Channel 4 News has unearthed footage of Corbyn in 2014 comparing the actions of Isis to US forces retaking the Iraqi city of Fallujah in 2004. “Yes they are brutal, yes some of what they have done is quite appalling, likewise what the Americans did in Fallujah and other places is appalling,” Corbyn told Russia Today.”””

    #team-cheerers take note, TEABAG-LITE is a fcuking DUD strategy in teh-uk too. #shhh.blib

  442. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2015 8:28 am

    Interesting read on Heydon and a good take on suitability to preside over a RC when he is so remote from ordinary people.

    Another article on the war on women at Nauru.

    https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2015/08/22/judging-dyson-heydon/14401656002264

  443. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2015 9:14 am

    Morning AO

    More on heydon from 7.30


    HAYDEN COOPER: Monash University law professor Matthew Groves believes the departure of Dyson Heydon would leave the Commission in terrible shape.

    MATTHEW GROVES: Pretty much in a smoking ruin. Because if the former Justice Heydon does decide that really he’s got no choice but to stand aside, the options from then on are either to just give up and everyone pack up and go home or to essentially start afresh with a new Commissioner who’d have to spend several months essentially going through the evidence and getting up to speed.

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4298110.htm

    I could see, if heydon leaves, them pursuing this, as the RC would just be cranking back up in time for an election.

  444. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2015 9:27 am

    From reading that Saturday Paper article AO, it is pretty obvious why yabot picked him to head a witch hunt of political rivals.

    It also doesn’t look like he will be stepping down anytime soon going on what type of person he seems to be, quite impressed with himself and obviously never wrong.

    yabot has a history of picking ideological warriors, And, like yabot, they appear to think that rules don’t apply to them. And, imo, raises even more questions about the Get Thomson episode

    The Health Services Union told the court that the trans­actions represented a money trail wherein Jackson withdrew cash funds from union accounts and made mortgage payments on her home in 2008, which, when sold, formed part of the profits she later sank into a NSW south coast home she and partner Fair Work vice-president ­Michael Lawler share.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/michael-lawler-linked-to-kathy-jacksons-rorted-funds-for-mortgage/story-e6frg6n6-1227493733465

    (in case you need to google the heading)

    Michael Lawler linked to Kathy Jackson’s rorted funds for mortgage

  445. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2015 11:16 am

    Interesting read on Heydon and a good take on suitability to preside over a RC when he is so remote from ordinary people. KL

    From the link …

    “In ordinary speech a ‘chaplain’ is the priest, clergyman or minister of a chapel; or a clergyman who conducts religious services in the private chapel of an institution or household. Those who are ‘school chaplains’ under the NSCP’s auspices fall outside these definitions. Their duties in schools are unconnected with any chapel. They conduct no religious services.”

    It’s heartening that private chaplains for households is an idea that had not lost its currency for the judge.

    AND:

    He said that, in effect, the Tobacco Plain Packaging Act tells the proprietors of tobacco companies: “You have been controlling your intellectual property and your chattels with a view to making profits in your business; I want to stop you using the intellectual property in very large measure, and command you as to how you are to use what is left of your property, not with a view to making profits in your business, but with a view to damaging them by making the products you sell unattractive; I will therefore take over control of your intellectual property and chattels from you.”

    And bugger the damage you are causing to the nation’s health.

    AND:

    Here he is delivering his famous High Court job application speech at the 2004 Quadrant dinner. On the question of judicial probity he said:

    “Probity may be affected by conscious bias for or against a particular litigant or class of litigants. The law compels judges who have such a bias or may reasonably be thought to have such a bias to disqualify themselves, and in the practice it may be assumed that very few judges are consciously biased.”

    Lawyers for the ACTU could not have put it better themselves.

    Another inflicted (conflicted?) with Robber Baron Syndrome©

    Apprehended bias my arse … more like pure personal prejudice!

  446. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2015 11:21 am

    Union/ALP barrackers see –
    • Goody union officials – those that toe the line, even if corrupt (eg Craig Thompson)
    • Baddy union officials – those that speak out against the party line, they dig the dirt (eg Kathy Jackson)
    • Baddy neutrals – eg a public servant that investigates people like Thompson

    Sensible people don’t distinguish between the corrupt union the types, and are grateful that there are a few public servants around that do their job despite the slander that is directed to them.

    It is shameful that people like Wicks and his mates don’t offer a public retraction about the baseless allegations about a public servant that just did his job in investigating Thompson’s now proven criminality.

  447. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2015 11:28 am

    “…It also doesn’t look like he will be stepping down anytime soon going on what type of person he seems to be,…”

    That’s what I thought, he seems to be a hard right ideologue and would dig in for a battle rather than go quietly. Most of his peers seem to think he should recuse himself, but I’m doubtful.
    I think he was biased before the RC even started! As well as a life in an ivory tower and opinions full of IPA/HR Nichols IR activism.

  448. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2015 11:32 am

    You’re getting shrill again tomM! 😉

    Not making much sense either, I’m having trouble understanding you!

  449. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2015 12:40 pm

    Well AO, for all his self congratulations, Wicks’ only motivation was defending a convicted criminal, and during his efforts he made a series of defamatory, baseless, speculative (and just stupid) allegations about a relatively junior public servant who was just doing his job.

    But despite this, some mindless barrackers promote Wicks as a righteous crusader.

  450. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2015 12:49 pm

    I’m having trouble understanding you!

    Ask TB if he can interpret for you AO 😉

  451. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2015 12:51 pm

    and during his efforts he made a series of claims that turned out to be extremely accurate.

    Now we see yabots mate himself loafing about with the proceeds of workers hard earned.

  452. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2015 12:56 pm

    Just tell me which of the following are accurate Nassios & Lawler
    1. Shared an office
    2. Did favours for each other
    3. Had coffee together

    …and which part of the FWA report re Thompson wasn’t a reasonable conclusion?

    Wicks is a proven bulls**t artist, and you quote him.

  453. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2015 1:53 pm

    There were those who said that my insinuation that Lawler and Nassios worked in the same building was misleading. I would like to clear that one up now.

    I no longer insinuate this, I declare it, I confirm it 100 per cent. It is fact; it is not something in doubt; it is completely true. I hope I have made that clear for all.

    Apparently, working in the same office means diddley squat, though
    ………..
    I have never declared that Thomson is innocent, I have just suggested that there are numerous holes in the so called evidence against him.

    https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/jacksonville-16-call-me-anytime,4328

    fer sum “context” 😉

  454. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2015 1:55 pm

    chooks -> roost ?

  455. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2015 1:59 pm

    What Wicks actually said –

    There were those who said that my insinuation that Lawler and Nassios worked in the same building office …

    But of course Wicks has always been too gutless to make that correction. What he preferred was to ban the discussion on his blog, and continue it via the emails he harvested.

    But go ahead, continue to quote him.

  456. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2015 2:00 pm

    Should be –

    There were those who said that my insinuation that Lawler and Nassios worked in the same building office …

  457. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2015 2:02 pm

    Actually, Wicks said “they shared an office…”

    That’s one of the reasons he’s a proven bulls**t artist, and his new explanation just continues to prove that fact.

  458. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2015 2:54 pm

    That’s one of the reasons he’s a proven bulls**t artist

    Proven? ROFL

    Wixxy, I see you’ve been making new friends

    http://wixxyleaks.com/the-gentle-art-of-making-enemies/

  459. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2015 3:11 pm

    Yep, a PROVEN BULLS**T ARTIST!!

    1. Said “shared an office” later claimed that he said only “they worked in the same building”

    BULLS**T!

    2. Said – “they exchanged favours”, without any evidence or justification.

    BULLS**T!

    3. Said they “had coffee together”, without any evidence that they even knw each other!

    BULLS**T!

    4. Made allegations about the investigator conducting a tainted process, without ever demonstrating which parts of the report were incorrect. or tainted
    .
    BULLS**T

  460. August 22, 2015 3:32 pm

    sat-paper”””’A royal commissioner is not a judge, but a part-time public servant, not independent of the government. The government writes the terms of reference, and if clever enough writes them in a way that determines the outcome. The royal commissioner is a creature of the government with no constitutional protections for independence. The High Court must be wincing in horror at the reflected muck on its escutcheon.”””via-ao

    1.””’creature of the government””’

    2.””’government writes the terms of ref”””

    3.”””if clever enough writes them in a way that determines the outcome””’

    #tax payer funded political witch hunt

    +

    sat-paper”””In his professional and private life Heydon’s contact with unions and workers would have been next to negligible. He was never a trial judge, so he did not have the daily grind of weighing evidence and assessing character and determining issues of fact. He was utterly remote from the very requirements for someone conducting an inquiry into trade unions.”””

    #”””issues of fact””’ teabags do prefer to remain ignorant of them

    +

    sat-paper”””’The son of Sir Peter Heydon, a diplomat who served in various posts, Dyson was born in Canada. It was then off on the pathway to grace: Shore school, St Paul’s at the University of Sydney, the university medal in history, Rhodes Scholarship, the Vinerian Scholarship, fellow of Oxford’s Keble College, professor of law at Sydney by the age of 30, a time at Allen Allen & Hemsley, the bar, the bench and then onto Grub Street for the Abbott crowd.””””

    #seems to strengthen my `sir-dyson` prediction here, after all, what teabag doesn`t want to follow in their daddy`s footsteps and be a `sir` too, particularly when a teabag-govt has just `restored` nights`n`daymes clap-trap

  461. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2015 3:46 pm

    And thank you Tom R for the latest example of PROVEN BULLS**T

    5. Posts an article about some “Mr Spineless”, while he bans discussion about his own record on his blog, but then tries to continue to discuss the very issue via email!

    BULLS**T

  462. TB Queensland permalink
    August 22, 2015 3:46 pm

    I guess living in Queensland and knowing quite a few families in the Bowen Basin … the downfall of coal mining is easier to see …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/fears-for-australias-mining-towns-as-residents-flee-after-the-boom/story-fnkgdg1h-1227494271944

  463. August 22, 2015 4:11 pm

    Dance Teabag Dance

    dill.1”””mindless barrackers promote #X? as a righteous crusader”””

    dill.2”””people don`t distinguish between the corrupt #X? the types”””

    #mindless anti-onion-cheerers delude themselves that voters will `overlook` mr-rabbits regime backed jackson and `sir-dyson` in expensive witch-hunts while telling the voters `budget-emergency`, or voters can`t `distinguish` the higher-level `corruption` of flogging-off stuff with attached 457-slave options for china under the guise of `investment`, while trying to distract with onion-corruption

  464. Remapping Findhorn permalink
    August 22, 2015 4:51 pm

    Thankyou for the Maps……………

    Speaking to Landline after a recent Latevo seminar at Goodiwindi in southern Queensland, accountant Alinna Bourchier was not sure she would recommend the product to her clients just yet.

  465. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2015 5:02 pm

    What happened to abbott saying the libs needed more women in the party, is there none in Canning or was that just more BS?

    Abbott’s pick for the canning by-election also has a history. The ADF is taking a long time to complete an official inquiry.

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Diggers-killed-Afghans-in-raid-Time/2005/05/31/1117305613955.html

    At the official launch for him he said it has been 2 1/2 years and only one man is left waiting to be cleared

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-22/wa-state-liberal-conference-to-focus-on-canning-by-election/6716360

    …In his address, Mr Hastie directly confronted media reports that he was the commanding officer of a troop of soldiers investigated after amputating the hands of Taliban fighters to use for identification.

    He confirmed that he had not been at the scene at the time, but was instead in a helicopter overhead.

    Once he became aware of the incident, he referred up his chain of command, and it was subsequently investigated.

    He said all but one soldier had been cleared, but said for the remaining serviceman the investigation was still continuing more than two years later.

    Mr Hastie called on the ADF to expedite the investigation to resolve the matter…

    Canning’s Liberal candidate Andrew Hastie says inquiry found his actions in Afghanistan ‘appropriate.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-22/canning-candidate-hastie-defends-action-in-afghanistan/6717140

  466. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2015 5:07 pm

    Posts an article about some “Mr Spineless”, while he bans discussion about his own record on his blog, but then tries to continue to discuss the very issue via email!

    Well, from that post, it appears the spineless one was the one who emailed.

    On Sunday the 1st July, I received an email from a bloke, whom I will refer to as Mr Spineless.

    I also don’t see him stopping anyone posting there?

    BULLS**T!

    Whilst you may consider this a well reasoned argument, you may need to elaborate a trifle ;).

    I also see your tormentor (is he a personal one?) is back at it, highlighting what a witch hunt this has been from the get go

    The problem for the Commission was that the evidence they had expected Elliott to give he didn’t. In fact, he appeared to have had a change of heart on when on the witness stand and under oath. Those in the hearing room and in the media room watched on in bewilderment as a clearly furious Counsel Assisting Jeremy Stoljar badgered the witness and tried to make him change his testimony on the stand.

    It was clear to onlookers that the witness who was supposed to be driving nails into Gillard’s coffin was, instead, pulling the rug out from under the Commission’s credibility.

    https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/dyson-heydon-turc-and-the-botched-julia-gillard-smear-job,8085

  467. August 22, 2015 5:10 pm

    Women of `caliber` are rare in canning armchair #teabags

  468. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2015 5:27 pm

    Just tell me Tom R, which of Wicks’ comments, that I’ve called BULLS**T aren’t … BULLS**T

  469. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 22, 2015 7:05 pm

  470. Tom R permalink
    August 22, 2015 7:53 pm

    I’ll with comments 1 through 10 (just planning for the future)

    Can you point to where he said that they “did favours”? I’ve seen that he said it is not unlikely that they did, you know sharing the same office (building) and all.

    I know I shared an “office” with a guy and I had to do favours for him, as we worked on the same team. He was on another floor though.

  471. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2015 9:12 pm

    That’s nice, we agree then.

    Wicks was speculating without any evidence or justification and on any reasonable definition that equals –

    BULLS**T!

  472. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 22, 2015 9:15 pm

    …and by the way, this is the FWA “office” in Melbourne.

    With Lawler on level 11 and Nassios on level 3. Does any rational person regard this as “sharing an office”?

  473. August 22, 2015 10:07 pm

    said””’they shared an office”””

    #so team-cheerer, with all the shrill comments above by you-know-who, would l be correct in deducing you-know-who has been `bounced` from wixxyleaks.?

  474. August 23, 2015 12:07 am

    On this celestial body, third planet from the sun
    Of earth, of terra, of gaia…
    a spreading cancer, the self-destruct financer
    Earth’s largest natural disaster

    So this is what you want?
    A world not suitable for life?
    (Self-damning idiots, with traits abhorrent and hideous)
    Damn your traditions, god damn your religions
    Shit on your systems, to hell with your decisions
    As long as gravity holds these two feet to the ground

    I stand here guilty in sadness and humility
    Part of the problems – never to solve them
    In a way we have become… culturally dumb

    How can you look me in the eyes and tell me you’re proud OD what you’ve done within this life?

    Ignoring the trash heap that is our daily lives
    a disparaging wasteland, a hell on earth paradigm
    Extinction level living – the fate of all unwinds
    Too ignorant, too selfish to read the warning signs

    So this is what you want?
    A world not suitable for life?
    (Self-circling vultures, damming garbage cultures)
    Fuck your traditions, fuck your religions
    Fuck your systems and fuck your decisions

    How can you look me in the eyes and tell me you’re proud
    of what you’ve done within this life?
    Your footprint can’t dematerialize and when you did look where you’ve left your children behind… a world unsuitable for life

  475. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2015 9:30 am

    would l be correct in deducing you-know-who has been `bounced` from wixxyleaks.?

    Who knows, yomms claimed that before and it has turned out to be less than accurate. I call it “pulling a grodo” 😉

    yomms problem seems to be with wixxys description of office, but he doesn’t seem to argue with the clarification. So he sticks with that (poorly worded ?) description, and ignores all the times wixxy clarifies it for him. Doesn’t argue about the validity of that I note 😉

    Ignoring the trash heap that is our daily lives
    a disparaging wasteland, a hell on earth paradigm

    Ready to face another lovely Sunday now, thanks toiletoftheunsoiled 🙂

  476. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2015 9:46 am

    Fantastic stuff toilet, I like the anger!

    Would lib members deliberately vote labor in canning?

    Be careful what you wish for in the Canning by election:
    http://thekouk.com/blog/be-careful-what-you-wish-for-in-the-canning-by-election.html#.VdkAXcoodxU.twitter

  477. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2015 9:51 am

    …yomms problem seems to be with wixxys description of office, but he doesn’t seem to argue with the clarification. So he sticks with that (poorly worded ?) description, and ignores all the times wixxy clarifies it for him. Doesn’t argue about the validity of that I note ;)…

    yes, semantic focus on one or two words or sentences somehow wipes out the entire two years of dogged investigative reporting and evidence gathering in which he was shown to be completely correct.

  478. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2015 10:00 am

    in which he was shown to be completely correct.

    No wonder yomm calls it BULLS**T! 😉

    And, speaking of BULLS**T!

  479. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2015 10:01 am

    Talk about cognitive dissonance! Gormless gerard on insiders says the libs are going a bit soft on mantach because of concern about leaving the wife and kids homeless.

    Never really noticed the same concern about anyone from a union, craig thomson had a wife and little baby if I recall and they showed no concern whatsoever over making the family penniless.

  480. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2015 10:07 am

    I see the canning by-election is already in the gutter

  481. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2015 10:09 am

    if I recall and they showed no concern whatsoever over making the family penniless.

    They were quite happy to see them media camped out under their window ao, whilst all the time making outrgaeous claims and slurs.

    When will pyne and yabot be forced to apologise to both Thomson and their constituents from running our of Parliament?

  482. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2015 10:10 am

  483. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2015 10:13 am

    Interesting take of Hastie by Andrew Welder

    Due process
    There was a time when no self-respecting political party would touch a candidate who was still under investigation for serious matters on the field of battle. The report of this investigation may well exonerate Hastie, or it may not; in an era with greater respect for the armed forces and its due processes, Hastie would have been forced to wait until all such investigations were concluded.

    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2015/08/handy-andy.html

    Although, I don’t think Labor should play this up. that is just sinking into the gutter with the libs. From what I have seen this morning, Hastie has said enough using the ADF as political pawns and with false claims. That is what Labor should focus on. (there is a twitter spam above that is caught up in the spaminator that should elaborate when reb has had enough of the sun 😉 )

  484. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2015 10:18 am

    They were quite happy to see them media camped out under their window ao, whilst all the time making outrgaeous claims and slurs.

    Are we going to see television crews and journalists at the home of jackson & lawler as the police arrest her and cart her off to the police station?

    #political activism of police while serving under a labor govt.

  485. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2015 10:28 am

    Are we going to see television crews and journalists at the home of jackson & lawler as the police arrest her and cart her off to the police station?

    I’d hope that the media learnt something from those sordid days, but I wouldn’t bet on it. 😦

  486. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2015 10:30 am

  487. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2015 10:37 am

    Typically, union apologists gloss over the outrageous and baseless claims another apologist made about a public servant who was just doing his job, ignoring the fact that the slander wasn’t limited to semantics about “sharing an office”

  488. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2015 10:42 am

    ….and ignoring the fact that Jackson represents yet another example of corrupt union administration, but the apologists resist greater transparency and accountability in union governance.

  489. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2015 10:48 am

    “…(there is a twitter spam above that is caught up in the spaminator that should elaborate when reb has had enough of the sun booze 😉 )…”

  490. Tom R permalink
    August 23, 2015 10:55 am

    and ignoring the fact that Jackson represents yet another example of corrupt union administration

    Funny, I recall some people lambasting others for even considering putting her in the same light as Thom(p)son, but now it turns out she was in a League of Her Own, which might even want people to go back and re-examine many of Thomson’s claims under a new different light

    booze

    We’ll never hear from him again if that twere the case ao 😉

  491. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2015 11:01 am

    Typically, union apologists gloss over the outrageous and baseless claims another apologist made about a very powerful public servant appointed for life by tony abbott to an IR statutory body who was just doing his job of bringing down the gillard government.

    Now we’ll watch on as tony abbott and the media completely ignore the $1.5 – 2 million stolen from the donations of their members. Those poor senior citizen members who everyday bake the scones, pour the tea, give their $1 and $2 coins and regularly attend meetings and functions to support their political party.

  492. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2015 11:04 am

    Thompson (a proven criminal rorter) was in the spotlight because-

    • He was a member of parliament, they happen to be of more interest that run of the mill corrupt union officials.
    • Fairfax published details of his rorting
    • He sued them
    • He then lied to the ALP hierarchy by saying he’s settled the matter, when he had simply made application to surrender
    • He continued to lie, including to parliament

    Whereas Jackson is simply yet another example of a corrupt union official.

    Meanwhile, apologists resist greater governance for unions despite all this.

  493. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2015 11:15 am

    He was a member of parliament, they happen to be of more interest that run of the mill corrupt union officials.

    Maybe to the libs and the business community but not out in voter land where MP’s are as popular and as ‘respected’ as the run of the mill corrupt union officials.

  494. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2015 11:21 am

    Meanwhile, apologists resist greater governance for unions despite all this.

    When there is the same governance for the secret funding vehicles and political associations of the libs then it would be fine by me.

  495. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2015 11:35 am

    yes, semantic focus on one or two words or sentences …

    Notice Henderson doing the same thing this morning re financing of Adani, KL?

  496. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2015 11:44 am

    Can’t get over how much Hastie looks like …

    Another Captain’s Pick …

  497. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2015 11:56 am

    …Notice Henderson doing the same thing this morning re financing of Adani, KL?…

    I saw that too TB, seems to be the way that conservatives try to shift the debate away from their losing or indefensible position even when [in that case] it’s their own fault.

    I’m tired of it.

  498. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2015 12:01 pm

    …Can’t get over how much Hastie looks like …

    heh, he does too, wonder if he’s equally religious. Seems another captain’s pick, hasn’t he been parachuted in from the top? Doesn’t even live local, a quickpick!

    Abbott does like to stand behind uniforms, thinks it gives himself some gravitas and respect. You have to pity the poor foot soldiers who have been doing all the party work in the community and then get shafted [happens on both sides].

  499. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2015 12:49 pm

    I see Mark Latham made a complete tool of himself at the Melbourne Writers Festival yesterday.

    This is the man that the ALP promoted as being of suitable temperament and character for Prime Minister, I think it was probably around that time that I lost complete faith in the ALP.

  500. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2015 1:47 pm

    So one crazy mark latham = the entire ALP!
    Does one crazy, dysfunctional Tony Abbott equal a rancid liberal party?

    You’re losing all rationality tomM!

  501. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 23, 2015 4:10 pm

    I’ve never had any emotional attachment to the Liberals AO.

  502. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 23, 2015 4:20 pm

    So one crazy mark latham = the entire ALP!

    In some sense it does. The ALP wanted to inflict latham upon us.

    Same goes for Rudd. He had a reputation but Labor picked him because he had sex appeal and might win them an election.

    I think John Hewson may also have been a little nuts but the Liberals thought he could win them an election.

  503. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2015 4:50 pm

    I think it was probably around that time that I lost complete faith in the ALP.

    I certainly lost faith in Latham long before that …

    This was always a big clue too …

    Dontcha luv NVC’s … ? 🙂

  504. August 23, 2015 5:43 pm

    The Governments of Australia and the People´s Republic of China (`the Participants`) have reached the following understandings in relation to establishment of an

    Investment Facilitation Arrangement (IFA).

    https://dfat.gov.au/trade/agreements/chafta/official-documents/Documents/chafta-mou-on-an-investment-facilitation-arrangement.pdf

    Establishment of IFA Investment Facilitation Arrangement (IFA) 2.The project company will be eligible to establish an IFA where:

    (a) a single Chinese enterprise owns 50% or more of the project company; or, where no single enterprise owns 50% or more of the project company, a Chinese enterprise holds a substantial interest in the project company;

    (b)there is a proposed infrastructure development project (“the project”) by the project company with an expected capital expenditure of A$150 million over the term of the project;

    Investment Facilitation Arrangement (IFA)

    2(c) the project is related to infrastructure development within the food and agribusiness; resources and energy; transport; telecommunications; power supply and generation; environment; or tourism sectors;

    #that`s a fcuking lot of `sectors` the teabags intend to `free-trade` away more jobs in

    Investment Facilitation Arrangement (IFA)

    2(f) the China International Contractors Association (CHINCA) and the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade of Australia (DFAT) have recommended the project and the project company meet the criteria in paragraphs 2(a) through 2(e).

    #my bet, `chinca` and `contractors` are code for `labor-hire`, from china of course

  505. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2015 6:01 pm

    The Liberal Party’s Craig Thomson?

    DAMIEN MANTACH: “I know Damien Mantach well. He’s a person of integrity,” Mr Abbott said in 2013. “…He has my confidence.” A few days ago it was revealed Mr Mantach, Victorian Liberal Party director, was accused of embezzling $1.5 million. This was after he left as director of the Liberal’s Tasmanian division amid questions about some $48,000 put on a party credit card for private spending.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/tony-abbott-has-a-history-of-endorsing-people-who-then-cause-him-political-damage/story-fns0jze1-1227494354130

    Or Kathy Jackson …?

  506. August 23, 2015 6:34 pm

    Investment Facilitation Arrangement (IFA)

    6.Following agreement between DIBP and the project company on the areas referred to in paragraph 4, an IFA will be executed in a timely manner in the form of a deed of agreement between DIBP and the project company. The IFA will set out guaranteed occupations and the terms and conditions against which overseas workers can be nominated for a temporary skilled visa for the purposes of the eligible project. The IFA will also record any requirements and conditions that the project company must comply with. There will be no requirement for labour market testing to enter into an IFA.

    #”””no requirement for labour market testing”””code for no aussie jobs available, and that`ll be across the board in all the sectors previously mentioned

    7.The IFA will be valid for four years from date of execution with the possibility of extension.

    #code for, as long as china wants

    #meanwhile `our` resident imbecile prefers to obsess over wixxyleaks and the odd criminal onion-rep/member, (ya`really need some perspective and wisdom boo)

  507. August 23, 2015 7:01 pm

    In March last year (#mr-rabbit)he said,””I think that Kathy Jackson has been a very credible whistleblower here .. I think that what she has done has been heroic and I think that what she`s said today needs to be taken very, very seriously.”””

    limited-news”””Last week a court found she was a liar and a thief who had to repay the HSU some $1.4 million, making Thomson`s offences look like petty cash box fiddles”””via-tb

    +

    ta”””I know Damien Mantach well. He`s a person of integrity,”” Mr Abbott said in 2013. ””He has my confidence.”””

    limited-news””’A few days ago it was revealed Mr Mantach, Victorian Liberal Party director, was accused of embezzling $1.5 million.

    This was after he left as director of the Liberal`s Tasmanian division amid questions about some $48,000 put on a party credit card for private spending.”””

    +

    ta””’Bronwyn has a long and distinguished history as a servant of our country, as a servant of our party, and she will learn a very salutary lesson,”” he(#mr-rabbit) said as the storm intensified over his electoral neighbour. Mrs Bishop soon stood down and Mr Abbott had the double embarrassment of losing a mate from an plum job, and failing to get up his choice as a replacement.

    +

    limited-news”””Tony Abbott doesn`t so much have a problem with Dyson Heydon as Dyson Heydon has a problem with Tony Abbott. The Prime Minister created an archly political royal commission”””

    #gotta love those `captains-calls`, they always seem to have a habit of shredding the captains credibility, and when you`re mr-rabbit, you don`t have any `spare` credibility just laying around that you can afford to `just` shred

    #Lets hope blib has the brains to keep his head down and deny mr-rabbit a life-line, while mr-rabbits own `credibility` shreds him

  508. August 23, 2015 8:03 pm

    Investment Facilitation Arrangement (IFA)

    11.All direct employers under an IFA and workers granted visas under an approved IFA labour agreement will be required to comply with applicable Australian laws, including workplace law, work safety law and relevant Australian licensing, regulation and certification standards.

    #ha! Bet this doesn`t happen, and will be `un-policed` as often as possible.

  509. TB Queensland permalink
    August 23, 2015 8:25 pm

    The Robber Baron Epidemic© … continued!

    The missing transactions reflected an effort by some of the largest U.S. banks — including Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Bank of America, and Morgan Stanley — to get around new regulations on derivatives enacted in the wake of the financial crisis, say current and former financial regulators.

    The products affected by that loophole include some of the most widely traded financial derivatives in the world – such as interest rate swaps, where a bank takes a fee for exchanging a variable-rate interest payment for a fixed rate with a client, and credit default swaps, a sort of insurance where one party, often a bank, agrees to pay another party in the event of a bond default.

    For large investors, the products are an important tool to hedge risk. But in times of crisis, they can turn toxic. In 2008, some of these instruments helped topple major financial institutions, crashing the U.S. economy and leading to government bailouts.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/08/21/uk-usa-banks-swaps-specialreport-idUKKCN0QQ1CI20150821

  510. August 23, 2015 9:20 pm

    Good evening. I’m at Changi airport. At the Plaza Lounge (naturally)…

  511. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 23, 2015 11:30 pm

    Hi reb, have you had a nice time? Thanks for keeping the blog ticking over even you’re on holiday, you really are a damn terrific host. Any news/gossip from the flight lounges?

    Casual staff at Capalaba Sports Club given 72 hours to sign contracts that eliminated all penalty rates
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/casual-staff-at-capalaba-sports-club-given-72-hours-to-sign-contracts-that-eliminated-all-penalty-rates/story-fnihsrf2-1227494375206#social-comments

    …Ms Wilson refused to sign the agreement and lost her job that week.

    Claudia Rogers, 21, stayed on at the club but was forced to work an extra job while studying fulltime at university.

    “I live out of home and had to support myself so the new agreement cut $300 a week from my income,” Ms Rogers said…

    …Capalaba Sports Club told a meeting of casual staff in May that they would be shifted to an “external workforce management company” called Hospitality X.

    The company, based in Melbourne, provided staff with a new industrial agreement stripping all penalty rate entitlements – staff were given just 72 hours to read and agree to the terms or risk losing their jobs…

  512. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2015 8:45 am

    Well, looks like hockeys lost the plot, again.

    We are in a “budget emergency’, or, if you want to be realistic, our budget is not raising enough. And hockey wants to cut income tax, again.

    Mind you, every other time he has wanted to do that, it seems we need up paying more?

    Mind you, I’m not averse to my income tax lowering but, where is the money coming from to offset that?

    I also saw this on twitter. A “Fair and balanced citizen ” taking a hack to task. And, well said ao, thanks reb 😉

  513. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2015 8:47 am

    It appears the asbestos bishop had quite a morning out on Insiders yesterday.

  514. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2015 8:51 am

    “is therefore subject to public scrutiny. Quit the confected outrage”

    Underpants Conroy in fact means Hastie will be subject to gutless ridicule from ALP types and a second-rate smear campaign from ALP arse-lickers Fairfax.

  515. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2015 9:05 am

    and a second-rate smear campaign from ALP arse-lickers Fairfax.

    You mean by pointing out that, if anyone, it is the current libs who are not supporting our ADF by cutting their pay etc, and that he is out right lying by claiming Ju,ia Gillard didn’t visit Afghanistan

    That kind of second-rate smear campaign, full of facts and truths?

  516. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2015 9:15 am

    Nah, the attack on Hastie. Headline questions his conduct and only the final sentence mentions he was cleared. Typical ALP arse-licking yellow journalism.

  517. Tom R permalink
    August 24, 2015 9:20 am

    That story about weekend rates is horrifying for this line ao

    The new agreement, framed by Melbourne based workforce company Hospitality X, was approved by the Fair Work Commission and is legal.

    How the fark can they ignore penalty rates and it still be legal? How did that come about?

    Nah, the attack on Hastie.

    Is it possible you can be more specific, with perhaps a link?

  518. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 9:55 am

    Three-word slogans have left Abbott with an economic quandary:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-21/quiggin-abbotts-economic-quandary/6714896

    …Abbott’s current slogan, repeated whenever any question inconvenient to the Government is raised, is “jobs and growth”. However, a complete understanding of the Government’s budget problems requires us to recall two earlier slogans: “debt and deficits” and “lifters not leaners”…

  519. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2015 9:56 am

    The bad news is that the Age doesn’t have their headline story online (probably ashamed of it).

    The good news is that I have discovered a great new site:

    Leftists would not even know what honour means. Hate is their abiding motivation

    THE upcoming Canning by-election in WA is being framed as a referendum on Tony Abbott’s leadership, so it was always going to get dirty. But the political smear launched yesterday against Liberal candidate Andrew Hastie sets a new low,

    Captain Hastie, 32, is a former SAS soldier who served three tours in Afghanistan and was recently deployed in missions against Islamic State.

    In other words he is a hero, who has laid his life on the line to protect our way of life. We are lucky he has decided to continue his service by standing for parliament.

    But, according to damning headlines in the Fairfax press, there is a “Question of Conduct” hanging over Hastie because he was “officer in command of a troop being investigated for chopping the hands off dead Taliban fighters in Afghanistan.”

    Turns out Hastie was elsewhere on the battlefield at the time the alleged incident took place in 2013. But, anyway, hands are removed from enemy corpses in the middle of a battle so that fingerprint checks can identify them later.

    This is the grisly reality of war.

    As Neil James, executive director of the Australia Defence Association, said: “At least [Hastie] has done something important with his life before he runs for Parliament.”

    Abbott-haters understandably are gnashing their teeth that the Liberals have such an admirable candidate in Hastie. But using his war service against him is contemptible.

  520. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 9:58 am

  521. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2015 9:58 am

    (HD – I understand the stats on shark attacks, and the likelihood. But what they neglect to analyse, when discussing things like deaths by shark vs death in a motor vehicle, is the length of time spent in cars vs the length of time spent in the water. Or the length of time spent in an abusive relationship vs the length of time spent on surfboards.

    I believe bookings for Byron Bay have plummeted recently. This is fine with me, less people at Tallows & Wategos, less crowded restaurants and cheaper accommodation – go sharks!)

  522. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2015 10:27 am

    Andrew Hastie is politicising his ADF service, & is therefore subject to public scrutiny. Quit the confected outrage.

    Tru dat … SASR will be pleased … not …

    (eg Hastie said he didn’t believe Labor had his back in Afghanistan – that’s politicising)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    where is the money coming from to offset that?

    Negative Gearing
    Trust Funds
    Pollies Perqs
    Multinational Tax

    Shimples, czlick!

  523. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2015 10:33 am

    G’day Rebbles!

    Hope you been to see the butterflies?

    Safe trip home, Jummy!

  524. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2015 10:34 am

    I’m a firm believer in natural attrition in nature … and I know a few surfers! 🙂

  525. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 10:35 am

  526. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2015 11:02 am

    (given the relative amount of time people spend immersed in the ocean vs the amount of time they spend in a motor vehicle, my quick calculation suggests that being taken by a shark is a more likely cause of death)

  527. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 11:16 am

    But what they neglect to analyse, when discussing things like deaths by shark vs death in a motor vehicle, is the length of time spent in cars vs the length of time spent in the water.
    Or the length of time spent in an abusive relationship vs the length of time spent on surfboards…

    Interesting tomM

    Safety. Women are told not to walk the streets after dark and to always be careful because of the human predators that roam the place. We have to stay away from the threats or organise our own protections eg network of .friends even when going about our working demands.

    So, why is it that when men fear for their personal safety in pursuing leisure and hobby activities we have to go all out and wipe that threat from existence?
    Women still don’t have adequate funding and resources put into the simplest of activities like walking home alone or taking public transport in the liquid darkness of night that surrounds us all.
    We have to choose to keep away from danger if we are frightened for our safety, but when men are scared, well, hang the expense and tag or kill everything in the sea so because they must feel secure.

  528. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 11:26 am

    I think Joe Hockey is on a loser with his spruiking for ‘tax cuts’. Almost all the radio talkback that I’ve heard is that people, even the wealthier, would rather taxes left the same, they know that services will be cut while only the wealthy will benefit from tax cuts. They prefer decent service delivery.

    All thought that hockey is only looking after the wealthy, those tax evading multinationals and they want to see hockey seriously going after them, right now, not the ‘we’re working on it’ excuse that we’ve been getting.

  529. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 11:30 am

  530. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 11:41 am

    Federal chief Brian Loughnane drawn into row over Victorian Liberal accused of theft:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/21/federal-chief-brian-loughnane-drawn-into-row-over-victorian-liberal-accused-of-theft

    The Nauru inquiry may well be Australia’s Abu Ghraib moment:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/21/the-nauru-inquiry-may-well-be-australias-abu-ghraib-moment

  531. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2015 11:42 am

    I’ve explained before AO that I’m not personally concerned about my safety, but I have a daughter that spends a huge amount of time surfing. On my calculatuo, the risk of her being taken by a shark seems greater than her risk of being killed on the road.

    Equally I’ve posted at length about the need to have men with a history of violence against women being required to wear a tracking device for a decade or 2. Most of the rwcent examples of rape with murder were committed by men with previous convictions.

    On this issue (unlike my discussions about sharks) I’ve gone to the trouble of writing to various politicians. It seems that the Victorian government is planning to trial some tracking devices. That good but a little late.

  532. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2015 12:06 pm

    “So, why is it that when men fear for their personal safety in pursuing leisure and hobby activities we have to go all out and wipe that threat from existence?”

    Do you think women don’t swim in the ocean?

  533. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2015 12:30 pm

    Time for a police investigation AND a Royal Commission into The Liberal Party Leadership …

    From KL, link above @ 11:41 …

    Referring to Mantach’s involvement in another controversy in which the Exclusive Brethren religious group tried to secretly influence the 2006 Tasmanian state election with ads attacking the Greens, Sterle suggested in parliament that Abetz may be able to “shed some light” on the matter since he was a key figure in the Tasmanian party at that time.

    He also referred to secret taped conversations between Mantach and Nutt in which they allegedly offered assistance to a staffer who had resigned over a plot to undermine the former Victorian police chief commissioner Simon Overland.

    At that time the prime minister, Tony Abbott, said of Mantach: “I know Damien well. He is a person of integrity. Let’s see where this investigation goes but he has my confidence.”

    In the Senate speech, Sterle asked: “There are questions for Mr Loughnane to answer: first, his role in Mr Mantach’s appointment; second, his knowledge of his conduct in Tasmania prior to his appointment in Victoria; and third, his knowledge of Mr Mantach’s conduct during his Victorian appointment, including where the money went. Did any of it serve the Liberal party’s interests, state or federal?

    “There are also questions for the prime minister to answer: first, his knowledge of Mr Mantach’s conduct in Tasmania and Victoria; second, the prime minister needs to explain the reason he considers him ‘a person of integrity’; third, the connection between his office and Mr Mantach; and fourth, the relationship between Mr Mantach and Mr Loughnane.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/21/federal-chief-brian-loughnane-drawn-into-row-over-victorian-liberal-accused-of-theft

  534. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2015 12:46 pm

    Time to finish the Royal Commission into union thugs and the corruption they promoted.
    ————-
    I see Martin Ferguson is on TV tonight, about to tip the bucket on union control of the ALP.

    Watch the union apologists come out and condemn a man who has spent his life in the labour movement.

  535. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2015 12:46 pm

    This bloke is a fkn turkey … contradiction of the bleeding obvious … and hypocrite of the highest order … (my Bold)

    Mr Hockey said several factors would cause volatility in the markets in the next few months, especially any decision by the US Federal Reserve to move on interest rates in September.

    “If they do increase their interest rates, then you will see movement of money from equity markets, probably into bond markets,” he said.

    But he said this would hit confidence in Australia and that’s why the government had to keep reminding people that their economy is one of the fastest-growing in the world right now.

  536. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 12:48 pm

    Do you think women don’t swim in the ocean?

    Pretty sure they’d rather be assured of their physical safety when going about their daily lives and in their own homes, they’d prefer that before worrying about sharks.
    How many rapes/assaults/murders vs shark attacks on women?

  537. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 1:01 pm

    Watch the union apologists come out and condemn a man who has spent his life in the labour movement.

    And how did he look after himself for retirement?

    The pro coal minister, climate change denier, who with gillard, caved into the coal miners against labor voters wishes and then went straight from parliament into the advisory board of lobby group Australian Petroleum Production and Exploration Association.

    He’s already condemned.

  538. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 1:09 pm

    So, in all those years that Mar’n Ferguson was a senior minister in Labor and the ACTU president, he didn’t have a problem with union control. Now that he is an oil industry lobbyist after a prestigious union controlled labor career, he hates the unions.

  539. August 24, 2015 1:17 pm

    “”Thanks for keeping the blog ticking over even you’re on holiday, you really are a damn terrific host. Any news/gossip from the flight lounges?””

    You’re welcome AO… 🙂

    I don’t have much gossip from the airport lounge but I have a great story to tell about a weird German and Asian couple (stay tuned), plus an incident with some angry lesbians on the plane.

    The world is an amazing place! 🙂

  540. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2015 1:19 pm

    “How many rapes/assaults/murders vs shark attacks on women?”

    Can’t you multi-task? I mean is that your fucking answer to everything?

  541. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 1:20 pm

  542. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 1:27 pm

  543. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 1:31 pm

    Can’t you multi-task? I mean is that your fucking answer to everything?

    Can’t you think? Is personal attack your fucking answer to everything?

  544. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2015 1:41 pm

    Sorry, KL. Not intending to be personal. Just miffed that you think it is in any way logical to suggest that if X is a more prevalent problem than Y then … shut up about Y.

  545. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 1:45 pm

    I don’t have much gossip from the airport lounge but I have a great story to tell about a weird German and Asian couple (stay tuned), plus an incident with some angry lesbians on the plane.

    Am looking forward to the traveller tales!

    Sorry you’ve come back and the country is still a mess, we’re expecting an onslaught of ‘good government’ in electioneering mode. I think abbott is in a tent in far nth qld, but hockey has come out spruiking in abbott’s absence [not sure that’s been a good idea].

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-24/matthewson-abbotts-mind-should-be-on-canning-not-cape-york/6719186

    …This week, the Prime Minister will visit a number of remote Indigenous communities in northern Australia. According to media reports, the PM’s entourage will include cabinet and junior ministers as well as senior departmental officials.

    No doubt a small battalion of support staff will be there as well, if only to marshal the journalists brought along to document the PM’s annual outreach campaign.

    …If this year’s week in the north is anything like the last one, it will be hard to identify what benefit, if any, this travelling road show brings to the local communities that feature as backdrops for prime ministerial pic-facs.

    As Fairfax journalist Michael Gordon wrote last week, there has been little progress on Indigenous issues since the PM last went bush in 2014…

  546. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2015 1:49 pm

    The world is an amazing place! 🙂

    According to some people, though it could be better if there weren’t so many f**kwits around.

  547. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 1:56 pm

    Sorry, KL. Not intending to be personal. Just miffed that you think it is in any way logical to suggest that if X is a more prevalent problem than Y then … shut up about Y.

    Well, it’s the same logic as tomM’s re risk of daughter in car accident vs shark attack and the logic in the article that toilet posted re likelihood of deaths from sharks or other events. Putting it in perspective, massive female death and violence has been ignored for decades but a few highlighted shark attacks around the beaches this year and we’re in the midst of JAWS!

    Do sharks deserve to live in their own environment? Any thought as to an unbalanced ecosystem and changes to natural environments?

  548. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2015 2:32 pm

    Exposure hours – that’s used as a base line for exposure to industrial incidents.

    You’re not exposed to risk of shark attack during the 4 hours you sit on the beach reading a book. But you are for the 10 minutes most beach goers spend in the ocean, or 2 or 3 hours that surfers spend in the water during each session.

    Every single hour spent in a car is an exposure hour.

    Every single hour spent in an abusive relationship is an exposure hour.

  549. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2015 2:48 pm

    “re likelihood of deaths from sharks or other events”

    You might say that in a perfectly rational world we should make a list of the most common causes of death and misery. But even then it is not simply a statistical calculation.
    We need weightings to take account of the fact that we all die sometime so it may be better to spend a bit more on things that kill young’uns. If heart disease and Alzheimer’s are the main killers then maybe we should not spend another cent on anything else until these are eliminated???

    Interestingly, one of the consequences of free doctors under Medicare is that there is less money available for things like protecting children from domestic violence. But the Greens and Labor have made it electorally impossible to do anything about that. (and don’t just say everything should be free, tax the rich, print more money lalalala leftyland).

    But there are plenty of things that can be cut – the ABC, SBS, arts funding, RET, and a swag of publicly funded half-way houses for lefties.

  550. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 4:12 pm

    Every single hour spent in a car is an exposure hour.
    Every single hour spent in an abusive relationship is an exposure hour.

    For a 3/24 visit, you want the ocean swept of sharks 🙄

    Exposure to sharks is 100% preventable, you don’t have to go in the ocean if you’re scared.

  551. Walrus permalink
    August 24, 2015 4:13 pm

    “Crude prices have dived in Asia, with US oil trading below the key $US40 a barrel mark amid deepening concerns about weak Chinese economic growth and global oversupply.”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/latest/oil-price-slides-below-us40/story-e6frg90f-1227496747713

    Mmmmm………………we dont seem to see too many documentaries or articles discussing “Peak Oil” these days

  552. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 4:35 pm

  553. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2015 5:15 pm

    That’s just dumb AO, I’ve already pointed out 3 or 4 times that I worry about my daughter.

  554. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2015 5:23 pm

    Sharks have been apex marine predators for far too long. For hundreds of millions of years sharks have enjoyed the oceanic equivalent of white privilege. Even worse, sharks are in the service of those evil Jews. Sharks should be killed off in the name of all muslim fish, fish of colour or fish of other minority status.

  555. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 24, 2015 5:28 pm

    Peak Oil has been consigned to the (overflowing) dustbin of dead leftist ideas. But don’t worry Peak Stupidity is the hallmark of leftist “thought”. There are many other scare campaigns all with the sole purpose of empowering leftist hegemony.

  556. Walrus permalink
    August 24, 2015 5:38 pm

    “Exposure to sharks is 100% preventable, you don’t have to go in the ocean if you’re scared.”

    I remember many Moons ago when I used to sail catamarans on Botany Bay on a particularly gusty day when a huge gust of wind toppled us over and into the water we were flung and there we were with 2 other boats on our sides or completely upended.

    After a few minutes of struggling to upright our boats one of the other crews were excitedly shouting and pointing to an object just 30 metres away.

    It was a dorsal fin.

    Suffice to say rather instantaneously for some of us the warmest part of our wetsuits was below the waist .

  557. August 24, 2015 6:28 pm

    On this planet is all we`ve got,

    The mankind-locust will consume the lot.

    @dunny

  558. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2015 7:46 pm

    I have to say this – YOU WERE TOLD!

    “The average cost to connect FTTP was never $2200 to $2500 — not then and not now. The average cost has been over time fairly consistent. As at 30 June, the actual cost was $3632 in direct capex and $4387 including lease costs.”

    Despite this, the NBN admitted it still wasn’t able to test the quality of Telstra’s existing copper network, which is the basis of about 38 per cent of their new network, which means it could cost even more to repair if the ageing wires aren’t found to be up to scratch.

    THE National Broadband Network today has said the company will run out of government funding by 2017 and will need to raise up to $26.5 billion from private sector sources to complete the network rollout by 2020.

    Originally estimated to cost $41 billion to construct, the price tag has now blown out to between $46 billion and $56 billion, with the likely cost sitting at around $49 billion.

    The government has committed $29.5 billion to construct the NBN, meaning the NBN Co will need to raise money from next year to make up for it.

    Better economic managers my arse! Didn’t they do a CBA? >:D

  559. TB Queensland permalink
    August 24, 2015 7:49 pm

    Dyson Heydon delays his ruling on himself and next CFMEU hearing

    What a fucking farce!

    Can’t find an excuse for overlooking the big Liberal Party LOGO?

  560. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2015 8:06 pm

    Better economic managers my arse! Didn’t they do a CBA?

    They were left with this white elephant. Contracts were signed. To break then would have cost zillions. So the Coalition have to do proceed. To make it more affordable they have gone with fibre to the node rather than fiber to the home/premises.

    Who knows what fiber to the home would cost but most probably nobody really knows.

    which means it could cost even more to repair if the ageing wires aren’t found to be up to scratch.

    Could is the important word. Could.

    “The average cost to connect FTTP was never $2200 to $2500 — not then and not now. The average cost has been over time fairly consistent. As at 30 June, the actual cost was $3632 in direct capex and $4387 including lease costs.”

    So fiber to the home would cost an extra $4387/household compared to using Telstra copper wires for the last bit which i guess is free.

    How many homes are there in Australia? Apparently there are 9 million dwellings.

    So fiber to the home would cost us an extra 9.000.000 * $4387 = $39,483,000,000

    If my maths is correct FTTP would cost an extra $39B for not much extra benefit.

    Since we cannot stop it now FTTN is the way to go.

    Total cost for Labors FTTP would be $49B+ $39B = $88B

    Forget about it.

  561. August 24, 2015 8:17 pm

    open 15-hrs per day, 7-days a week, loads of entertainment booked, slot machines, this place is probably reaping it in, not in `dire` finance, my bet is if the workers kick-up a lot of fuss on fakebook/etc, they can turn this around, this is just shear `unnecessary` corporate greed against low-paid plebs, it also blows all previous screeching by you-know-who clear out of the water

    http://www.capalabasportsclub.com.au/about/2-about/general/41-club-opening-hours

  562. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 8:22 pm

  563. August 24, 2015 8:47 pm

    PREDICTION, both the team-cheerer `and` boo-of.melb will be racing for the #4corners transcript at my abc tomorrow, .. it`s all about blib .. and there`s something in it for both of`em.

    #blib`s.buddies.are.talking

  564. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 24, 2015 8:50 pm

  565. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 24, 2015 9:32 pm

    Hold the font page! The ABC has come up with some startling news!!

    Apparently Bill Shorten is a grubby union hack who took cash from employers for doing beneficial EBAs, who then used his grubby union officialdom to get a seat in parliament and knifed 2 Prime Ministers in succession!!

    Who’d have guessed!!??

  566. August 24, 2015 9:48 pm

    ha-ha boo, l thought you would enjoy it, particularly as blib refused to be on the show, l thought ferguson was good on the state of affairs of what goes on within the `team` behind the scenes and also made an interesting observation about the rc

  567. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 24, 2015 9:56 pm

    I have to say this – YOU WERE TOLD!

    TB – Do you read your own links? Your quote needs to be mentioned again.

    “The average cost to connect FTTP was never $2200 to $2500 …. As at 30 June, the actual cost was $3632 in direct capex and $4387 including lease costs.”

    FTTP- fiber to the premises was Labors option and at an extra $4387/household means costing an extra $39B.

    Almost double the cost of Turnbulls FTTN.

  568. August 24, 2015 10:12 pm

    Your node-V-user `costs` are bullshit, the `real` costs are Aust being locked-out of `broadband-tech` development from a multitude of Aust locations, remeber, all the big-techs, microsoft, apple, yahoo, google, fakebook were `invented` in bedrooms and dorms of teenage-nerds

    #while the current gen of teen-nerds don`t have broadband, they can`t `invent`

  569. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2015 7:22 am

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/in-depth/nbn-revenue-users-double-but-losses-mount/story-fnw66tov-1227496149640

    The figures were outlined in the release of the NBN’s long-awaited corporate plan which showed that the average cost of connecting a home with FTTN will cost $2300 per premise. Connecting a home with Labor’s favoured fibre to the premise technology will cost $4400 per existing premise and $2100 per greenfield premise.

    So FTTP is double the cost of FTTN.

  570. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 8:32 am

    Thanks for the link to the Age screenshot yesterday morning sb. We had a bit of a meltdown at work, so was pre-occupied most of the day. And yes, it does look pretty attack centered. Not sure why you brought Labor into it though? Fairfax is as low in the pond as ltdnews these days, they just go after both as much, usually with little facts. I also see you found a site that might have been written by nil. How nice for you.

    Better economic managers my arse! Didn’t they do a CBA?

    Which begs the question.

    was it worth scrapping Labor’s full-blown project?

    http://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/broadband-network-cost-blowout-pressures-government-on-funding-20150824-gj6etl.html

    I think that would best be filed under “well DUH!”

    What a fucking farce!

    I mean really, is he having trouble himself working out if he is biased? What hope the average punter?

    To break then would have cost zillions.

    You mean like the renegotiation with Telstra? fucken amateurs

    So FTTP is double the cost of FTTN.

    According to the ,ob who doubled the price of their own “cheaper, faster” solution ROFL

    Looks like theirabc’s hatchet job backfired. Shorten looks more electable now after witnessing him in the trenches fighting for better pay and conditions. Using marne and abetz to offer “insight” ROFL. And it must be remembered. Shorten was initially due to appear tomorrow, when they scheduled this, although they did fit in heydons (now irrelevant) . Worth considering in “context”

    So, following “at home with tony”, when will we have an in depth on the CURRENT pm?

    Just whose side ARE they on?

  571. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2015 8:38 am

    You mean like the renegotiation with Telstra? fucken amateurs

    Yep Labor signed contracts which would have cost zillion of dollars to break. No alternative but to proceed.

    According to the ,ob who doubled the price of their own “cheaper, faster” solution ROFL

    FTTP is double the cost of FTTN. So we would be looking at a cost approaching $100B for Labors FTTP that is if it could be built. Much cheaper to use Telstra wires for the last bit.

    But labor should be banned from things like this. They have no idea how to construct things.

  572. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 8:43 am

    FTTP is double the cost of FTTN.

    I think you mean “was” 😉

    Considering this mob cannot get one fact right, ignoring their press released rubbery figures is best ignored. I’ll stick with Labors numbers, whose appeared a lot closer to reality.

    Meanwhile, I wonder if yabot visiting the tropics will be referred to as a “lifestyle choice”?

  573. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 8:53 am

    I see hoochie gouchie just cannot stop lying on national televison either

    MALCOLM TURNBULL: Yeah, they are. You’re absolutely right and they are sceptical and the reason is that the existing satellite service has been a complete failure. It was – I don’t want to be excessively political about this, but the fact is it was terribly managed by the Labor government. Over $300 million was spent and 38,000 people are getting little better than dial-up. Now, now, now …

    LEIGH SALES: And so you’re saying …

    MALCOLM TURNBULL: … our new satellite launches

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4299309.htm

    Whose new satellites dopey?

    The first of Labor’s two NBN satellites will launch into orbit on 1 October 2015.

    http://www.jasonclare.com.au/media/portfolio-media-releases/2661-labor-s-nbn-satellites-to-bring-broadband-relief-to-the-bush

    And, while it is true that the existing, stop measure is no solution, someone appears to forget that they argued even against this limited response.

    What Minister Turnbull’s statement did not mention is that as Shadow Minister, he personally stated that existing capacity in Australia’s satellite system was sufficient.

    http://delimiter.com.au/2015/08/04/turnbull-revises-history-on-nbn-satellite-demand/

    And this is all on public record, It’s not like sales (or the entertainment team) would/should be unaware of it?

    Just whose side are they on?

  574. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2015 9:07 am

    Considering this mob cannot get one fact right, ignoring their press released rubbery figures is best ignored.

    The numbers were just published by NBNCo in their Corporate Plan.

    FTTP is double the cost of FTTN.

    Not to sure why TB of Queensland posted his comment. He seems too stupid to know that his post does not back up his claims.

    Anyway i suspect this whole thing will be a white elephant. Somebody will invent wifi that can do speeds just as fast and the whole NBN will be worthless.

    And, while it is true that the existing, stop measure is no solution, someone appears to forget that they argued even against this limited response.

    Opel was going to build broadband for the bush but Conroy broke the contract.

    The ALP destroys everything they touch.

  575. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 9:13 am

    The numbers were just published by NBNCo in their Corporate Plan.

    I think you mean the nobnCorp plan,

    It is turnbuls chosen numbers, and, as we see from turnbull on his 7.30 last night, he’s s full of shit as yabot.

  576. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2015 9:16 am

    TB – Do you read your own links? Your quote needs to be mentioned again.

    Your ignorance exceeds your volume of repetitious nonsense … sick of explaining things to you …

    Here’s a clue from your first comment … To make it more affordable they have gone with fibre to the node rather than fiber to the home/premises.

    Is it now affordable? … no … is it faster? no … is it slower? – yes …

    Did they buy the copper from Telstra? yes … Did they know what they were buying? no …

    Does copper have a much shorter life than optic fibre? yes!

    Are they better economic managers? – NO!

    You might read the links but you certainly don’t understand them …

    Dickwit!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Funny how the Mad Abbott is swanning around the Top End and we have Dyson Heydon entrenched looking for reasons he was a Dickwit and Jhockey spouting nonsense about taxes and expenditure, with no means to make either happen logically and Turnbull out trying to explain a massive blowout in a project that was getting its legs when he took over and stopped it fired everyone and made it more viable and cost effective*

    Anyone would think Pommie Abbott was hiding from all the shrapnel and flak he’s left in his wake … (does Tony Abbott, PM, still have British citizenship or not?)

    *sarc alert!

  577. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 9:16 am

  578. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2015 9:23 am

    The first of Labor’s two NBN satellites will launch into orbit on 1 October 2015.

    I watched that story too, TR and the one thing that stood out for me was another back-flip by Abbott based on his ignorance … a promise of fibre between the towns (no outside connection???? And then – “oh, we have satellites coming …”, we’ll have to cancel the fibre but here’s a $4.5 million bill for a feasibility study … d’ja wot?

  579. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2015 9:27 am

    Steven Sasse was reported as being the next to give evidence to the TURC.

    He’s an intelligent & articulate man with plenty to say. Should be hilarious, so I do hope the RC continues.

  580. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 9:33 am

    I didn’t make it to the end of the Shorten stitch up last night, only got to the part where they replayed Heydon complaining about Shorten answering questions that put him in a good light and bugged out. But apparently, it got worst

  581. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2015 9:36 am

    It’s all a beat up, there’s nothing to see!

    THE CFMEU IS NICE!!

    Police in three states are investigating the most senior leaders of the CFMEU for allegations ranging from receiving secret commissions to blackmail as a result of evidence gathered by investigators working alongside the Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption.
    A Fairfax Media investigation can reveal the CFMEU’s national president and Labor factional boss Dave Hanna has quit the union as a major criminal investigation examines allegations that he took secret commissions.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/cfmeu-bosses-across-nation-may-face-criminal-charges-20150824-gj67sz.html#ixzz3jmKbZPfs

  582. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2015 9:36 am

    …#while the current gen of teen-nerds don`t have broadband, they can`t `invent`…

    I think that’s an important point actually, we are being told how the jobs future is going to change and to get ready for the digital revolution. How revolutionary can we be if we’re already behind before we even start? It’s like this country really has been deliberately taken backwards from the future we had been set up for with rudd’s NBN.

    Another area that Abbott is failing the younger generations, but he’s still in there fighting for the old fossil fuelled economy which is going nowhere fast.

  583. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2015 9:37 am

    “without explanation of her crimes “

    Have I missed the criminal conviction? Did that happen over the weekend?

  584. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2015 9:41 am

    You might read the links but you certainly don’t understand them …

    I understood it alright. FTTP is double the cost of FTTN and that is being conservative.

    You might read the links but you certainly don’t understand them …

    Dickwit!

  585. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 9:54 am

    Have I missed the criminal conviction?

    Just playing by the Thomson rules I guess. Although, Thomson had not been forced to pay back anything at all while you and the like were passing judgement, unlike jackson, who has been told to cough up for her transgressions.

  586. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2015 10:10 am

    I also see the ABC Q&A is in trouble for an offensive tweet. What is it that the producers of that show don’t get? They are either accident prone/incompetent or wilfully seeking to be outrageous

  587. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 25, 2015 10:12 am

    I bet you this NBNCo thing is another rort. Because it is being funded by borrowed money they will be paying themselves higher than normal wages, buying the best office furniture, coffee machines and generally not giving a stuff.

    Something like a broadband network should not be built by a govt owned company.

    Just another ALP stuffup which we will all have to live with and the faults will be blamed on the Coalition.

  588. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 10:15 am

    They are either accident prone/incompetent or wilfully seeking to be outrageous

    Perhaps under the new management they considered it “news”? ROFL

    When has a grubmint been so hands on with the abc?

    Whose side are THEY on?

    Something like a broadband network should not be built by a govt owned company.

    Something like a broadband network can only be built by a govt owned company. It is why we have bloody grubmints. To do what the private industry will not

  589. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2015 10:25 am

  590. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 25, 2015 10:29 am

    So what is it? Are the Q&A people deliberately offensive or just incompetent?

    (your taxes at work)

  591. Tom R permalink
    August 25, 2015 10:44 am

    (your taxes at work)

    You could argue it’s the result of the politicization of the abc? Is the tweet facilitator another gretch?

  592. August 25, 2015 10:52 am

    Tony Abbott says war against Syria is necessary to boost poll results bring peace to the Middle East.

  593. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2015 11:06 am

    Abbott’s been begging the US to ‘invite’ him to send aussie troops off to war since he became PM.

  594. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 25, 2015 11:13 am

    Joe Hockey offers the tax cuts we neither need nor can afford:
    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockey-offers-the-tax-cuts-we-neither-need-nor-can-afford-20150824-gj6o1f.html#ixzz3jmikvyXG

    That’s right. The risk of getting a pay rise that would push up your average tax rate is the lowest since the official wage price index began in 1997. In the past year, wages climbed just 2.3 per cent per cent, which is about as close to zero as wage rises get…

    …There may well be good economic reasons for offering a tax cut he can’t afford. There are certainly good political reasons. He might see himself as a Peter Costello, going to repeated elections offering ever-lower rates.
    But there’s a difference between Hockey’s tax cuts and Costello’s. Costello could afford them…

  595. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2015 4:38 pm

    It’s like this country really has been deliberately taken backwards from the future we had been set up for with rudd’s NBN.

    KL, read up on STEM … Science, Technology, Engineering & Mathematics … these are the areas that will have the most impact in the world in the not so distant future …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So what is it? Are the Q&A people deliberately offensive or just incompetent?

    One of the pitfalls of spontaneous live TV with public and one of the reasons few TV owners do it … just about everything (and I mean everything – is recorded these days) …

    I confess I missed it the first time I read the story – I was trying to figure what was wrong with the tweet itself … !

  596. August 25, 2015 5:20 pm

    ao”””this country really has been deliberately taken backwards from the future we had been set up for with rudd`s NBN”””#correct

    #l noticed reently one of the tech-savvy asian countries, s-korea? , singapore? , new `normal` bit-rate on their nbn is much higher, (double?) the `best-promised` bit-rate of mr-talkbulls and mr-rabbits .. long story short .. mr-rabbit is building a `redundant`nbn compared to (some?) other nations .. so no, it definitely is NOT going to be `cheaper` by the time `all` the dust is settled on so-called `costs`

    +

    tb”””STEM .. Science, Technology, Engineering & Mathematics .. these are the areas that will have the most impact in the world in the not so distant future”””#correct

    #and china and india are both producing more of these than the rest of the world combined, china/engineers, india/quacks

    +

    #does anybody out there need a nation wrecked, l will soon have available for you, one used prime minister, free to take

  597. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2015 6:00 pm

    Perhaps Dyson Heydon could consult the bible to assist his “quandary” …

    James 2:10 New Testament … For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

    Strangely enough I just read that line in a Tom Clancy book!

    http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/James-2-10/

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